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Low brain has got three functions. Can I eat

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this? Should I fight this? Or should I flirt

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with this? I think we'll stick with that for

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the third F. So you've got 3F brain and higher

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function brain. Now, the second you start to

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go, you're putting that person to 3F brains.

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So now they're going to do one of two things,

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eat you, fight you, or tickle you. Flirt with

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you. Turn you around. Yeah, exactly. Welcome

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to episode 29 of the Fugle Firearms Podcast,

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the podcast that is here to help you save money

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and become the most effective self -defender

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you possibly can, or the most effective recreational

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shooter you possibly can. But going to that first

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point about the most effective self -defense

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person you can possibly be, and for the least

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amount of money, you know, probably one of the

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most important things that maybe a lot of us

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haven't considered. is whether or not the tools

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that God gave us, you know, when we were born,

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are actually available to us to use in a self

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-defense context. And by that, I mean, you know,

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your hands, your feet. And, you know, I don't

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mean your feet as a weapon. Maybe your feet is

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running away. Also, your mind. Are you thinking

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about the situational awareness of what's going

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on around you? Or do you simply jump right to

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the point where you need to draw your gun and...

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Yeah, maybe that wasn't the best solution. So

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in order to talk about that subject today, which

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isn't strictly firearms, but it does closely

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relates to our lifestyle, doesn't it? I've brought

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on Mr. Jay Cooper from Budo Brothers. He lives

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up in Canada, and he is a person that... Well,

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let me give you a little background. When you

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start doing a podcast, one of the first things

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you think about is, who do I want to have on

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this show? And what are the personalities that

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I want to bring to the audience? And I initially

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talked to Jay over three years ago about being

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on this show. And finally, we get to that point.

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He hasn't been evading me. It's nothing like

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that. But the conversation just kind of went

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away for a while. But then he was very gracious

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enough to pick it right back up where it was.

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And he's going to give you some perspectives

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that if you haven't seen his Reality Check channel

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on YouTube or his Reality Check videos that are

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also on Facebook, then you're missing out. I

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mean, and you're missing out big time. So first

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off, we're going to bring on my co -host, Ken.

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Ken, good day. How are you, sir? Doing well,

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doing well. Looking forward to this show. Should

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be very good. Jay, welcome to our show. Thank

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you, sir. Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Appreciate you inviting me on. So, Jay, a little

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bit of background from you. You were law enforcement

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for, I think you said, 10 years in Great Britain

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and 10 years in Canada. Now you either, I don't

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actually know this. Do you actually teach martial

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arts or you simply talk about it? And how does

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that experience shape your opinions and what

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you want to talk to people about who just aren't

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exposed to this stuff at all? Yeah, so correct,

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10 years in the UK. I do it with two agencies

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over there, with Kent Police, which is in the

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south of England, and Greater Manchester Police,

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which is in the north of England, also happens

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to be my hometown. There's actually, it's fascinating

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the differences between the various departments,

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because policing is seen as a gestalt entity.

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It genuinely is not. There's a lot of variation,

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even in a small place like England, which is

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not that large a territory at all. There's still

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a lot of variations across the board with that.

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And in Canada, I was with the Calgary police,

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the municipal department. This is the question.

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I'll anticipate this question. RCMP are basically

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federal and they go, they have powers across

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the whole country and they tend to do the smaller.

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towns and the outlayers and the Mounties always

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get their man, et cetera. It's a little, almost

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not a million miles away from what you got in

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the US with the state troopers and the sheriffs

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and the FBI and the blah, blah, blah. But I wasn't

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a Mountie. Although everyone always asked me

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that because due south and all the programs,

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they think police, Canadian, Mountie. Exactly.

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You know, I'm the most English sounding Mountie

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that there ever would have been. But anyway,

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so no. And as for martial arts, I've been doing

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that for 35, 36 years now. And I actually, I

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used to have a gym. I closed that down actually

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in December, mainly because I was focusing on

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other areas. So there's other bits and pieces

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of work I want to be doing. But I still have

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private clients that I teach. Jeet Kune Do. be

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my main art which is bruce lee's i also have

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a boxing coach i'm a wrestling coach i teach

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jiu -jitsu i teach um a screamer um bad ebbs

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and you know a little bit of this little bit

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of that little bit of the other it's the same

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goes a black belt in five disciplines at last

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count wow so and for those who don't know a screamer

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that they may not be familiar with it it's a

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filipino martial art that is largely stick based

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And that gives you in your escalation of, you

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know, if you ain't got no hands, then, well,

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maybe you got sticks that you can. And by ain't

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got no hands, I mean, you're just not good with

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your hands. And sticks is the next, I guess,

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layer up. Would you put it that way? It's yeah,

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that's it's it's unusual. And it's just possibly

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a slight diversion from the main topic. But if

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you look at the way we perceive martial arts,

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we look at the Chinese and the Japanese systems,

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which are the bigger ones. they start the students

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empty -handed and then they work their way through

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when you get to the advanced levels it's like

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okay now we will teach you the weapons in the

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filipino systems it's literally the reverse they

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start you with the weapons on the assumption

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that if you know like you said if you don't have

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good hands you might have a hard stick um and

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then once you've actually learned to use the

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weapon flows then you can take the stick out

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and it blends to the empty hand so they actually

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go weapon first empty second most of the systems

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tend to go um, anti -first weapons. I never knew

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that. That's interesting. My oldest son took

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a screamer a little bit for a while, uh, as part

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of actually the style he did. Well, it was a

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class that was Ken Poe, but they had an, a screamer

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expert who would come in and help. So it gave

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him a little bit of variety and that's, you know,

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that's why you're on the show, Jay, really, because

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I think our audience benefits from maybe not

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a constant diet of guns, guns, and more guns,

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but. something else that when it comes really

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down to brass tacks and the moment of need, there's

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a certain amount of people who think that the

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gun is the first and foremost opportunity, where

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in an escalation of force, it really isn't. So,

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and I think that people, well, let's start a

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little higher maybe at the situational awareness

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problem, because I think you teach a lot in your

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videos, which again, I thoroughly recommend people

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go watch this. The people get into situations

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because they don't have either the appreciation

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or the amount of damage that can happen, or they

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lack the situational awareness to see what's

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coming at them. And you've seen this before in

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not only the videos that you promote, but at

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the same time on your law enforcement side. So

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how do people fix that problem and make it part

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of their daily existence? One of the things I

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did with situational awareness was in policing,

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as I'm sure you're familiar with Jeff Cooper.

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Of course, yes. And his color coding. That was

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my first exposure. Now, of course, Cooper wasn't

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concerned with awareness. He was shoot, no shoot

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states. The color coding then got transposed

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over to be kind of an awareness piece. For the

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police originally, which I am one of many that

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then took that and applied it to the civilian

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marketplace. But there's many of those type of

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models out there. The OODA loop, for example,

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is the same sort of principles. And they all,

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you know, arguably we have in the UK something

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called the Green Cross Code, which is how you

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teach kids to cross the road. You know, stop,

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look, listen both ways. over you go at its core

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it's a situational awareness piece because you're

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in a high risk environment you look at what's

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going on you make a decision based on that information

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that gets processed in if it's safe to walk across

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if it isn't safe to cross you don't you wait

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until it is or you go to the next crossing and

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it's a very simple low level thing But that reflects

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what situational awareness is. Now, the problem

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we have is taking the color code, for example,

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and I don't want to insult your listeners' intelligence

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or anything else like that, but obviously you've

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got the white, yellow, orange, red, and then

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black or brown, as I call it. No, go ahead and

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explain it. Well, white, in terms of how I teach

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this as a self -defense principle. White is oblivious

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state. That means you're not paying attention

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to what's going on. You're not really tuned in.

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You're not paying attention to the environment.

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Now there's schools of thought. I don't have

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an issue with people being in white when it's

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time to be in white. Like if you're in cold yellow

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all the time, it's exhausting. And if I'm in

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the bath, I'm on. likely to be scanning under

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the mat for you know the ninjas that are hiding

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there um if i'm you know at home watching tv

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i tend to lower my level now just because i'm

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at a lower level doesn't mean i can't click back

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into a higher level of awareness should something

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come to my attention that comes as part of the

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practice so it's a little like anything you can

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if you're a conditioned athlete you can perform

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moderately close to the appropriate level with

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no warm -up um if you've done it a long time

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um if you haven't warmed up then or you're not

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a trained athlete your body will stand to like

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break down on you i had i had it's not a good

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idea to do that but the capacity to do something

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isn't isn't you know isn't diminished by that

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so when you look at code white that's your oblivious

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state awareness not paying attention to what's

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going on absolutely no clue you know head in

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the phone or texting or reading a book or whatever

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it is you happen to be doing um even little things

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like the way people go around the corner if you

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look at when you take a like you do the shooting

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line you take the longer line and you come out

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wide so you get the view quickly well if you

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watch most people take a corner they take it

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hugging the building so they get surprised when

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something's there and and again it's not like

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paranoia but it's just giving yourself that ability

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to get that bigger sight picture But those are

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like little examples of how people operate in

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code white or the state of obliviousness. Code

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yellow is the next stage of that. And that's

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kind of that aware of what's going on. You're

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not necessarily focusing in on anything, but

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you just kind of got the little internal radar

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thing going on. Most people should be in code

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yellow when they're driving, paying attention

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to the cars, the signals, the lights, the depth

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of volume, speed of traffic, all that sort of

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thing. um you're not necessarily focusing on

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any one thing but you've got a good awareness

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everything else is going on around you code orange

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means you've highlighted a specific issue or

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something which could potentially present a threat

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a problem an engagement whatever you want to

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classify that as and you start to formulate plans

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negative plans positive plans neutral plans you

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know depending on on the situation um that can

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be as simple as you see a group of people you

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either go back the direction you came in you

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cross the road or if you think you can you know

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just walk past without it being an issue you

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just carry on walking um not every potential

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threat is a threat but it's just an awareness

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of of that and formulating a plan and code red

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is you execute that plan that you'd formulated

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in your head now it becomes a little bit I tend

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to fold OODA loop in with this as well, which

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is observe. You see what's going on. You orient

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based on what you see, what you know, your history,

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your experience, your training, your background,

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your operator state. You decide the best course

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of action and then you act on that course of

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action. Now, of course, that can go between the

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observe and orient lots and lots and lots because

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as soon as you look at anything, it instantly

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changes and all these scenarios are dynamic.

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So when you break situational awareness down,

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and you start getting into the meat and potatoes

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with it. I normally spend two to three hours

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explaining color coding to people. When people

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say, I want you to do a self -defense seminar,

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just quickly, I always go, fine, we're doing

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situational awareness then, because outside of

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that, there's not a lot I can do with you for

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two or three hours. I'll give them a few eye

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pokes and things like that, but it's mainly if

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you pay attention to what you're doing, most

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of the stuff's avoided. Like, what's a seatbelt

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for in a car? is a good example. What does a

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seatbelt do? I mean, the seatbelts in the event

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that, I'll stick with your example, that your

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pre -planning of contact avoidance didn't work

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out, then you have something there to restrain

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you to prevent greater injury than you would

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otherwise suffer. There's a degree of I never

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saw it coming because you really didn't see it

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coming, or there's a degree of I should have

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seen it coming and I didn't. It fulfills the

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same function in both of those. Now that's your

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skill set, your hard skills, whether that's hands

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-on, intermediate weapons, firearms or something.

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If we're going up for that, we're in tanks and

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intercontinental ballistic missiles. But that

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has to be there. But 90 % of what we do can be

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taken care of just by keeping your head in the

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game and not switching off. There's an interesting

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thing. So I always do this with people as well.

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Where would you say would be safer? Like a high

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street at 3 o 'clock in the afternoon or a dark

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alley in a rough neighborhood at 3 o 'clock in

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the morning? Not the dark alley. I would think

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high street. But I suppose you could have, depending

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on if you were in the middle of the street, you

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know, and cars were whizzing by you, it could

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be quite dangerous. Statistically, the high street's

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more dangerous. There's more crimes, more offences

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than you get in the alleyway at three in the

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morning. Now, of course, it's a silly thing because

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a high street is always going to be safer in

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terms of what you get. The other reason is that

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if I was to drop you in a high street at three

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in the afternoon, you'd probably look for the

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nearest coffee shop and then try and get an idea

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of where you're at. If I was to drop you in an

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alleyway at three in the morning, your head would

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be on a swivel permanently. So your attention

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to the area that you're in... would make that

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area not necessarily safer but your ability to

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interact with the environment would be much more

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heightened so the chance of you formulating an

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appropriate response and responding to what's

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coming up would be that quick and in the alleyway

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your ability to respond is more tuned in and

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quicker because the nature of the environment

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if so you know non -permissive environment is

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if you want to use that terminology you'll be

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on a swivel you'll be paying attention to everything

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you'll be much more aware of who's there what

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they're doing what's going on If you're in a

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high street, because it's a crowded environment,

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a perceived safe environment, and by and large

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it is a safe environment, your threshold for

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attention will lower. So you'll hit that white

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state before you even know it. And then before

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you realize it, you got pickpocketed, you've

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been assaulted, you've been mugged, or something

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happens that you just didn't see coming because

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frankly you weren't paying attention to it. Both

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because it's in the middle of the day and it's

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crowded so there's lots of people around. And

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also because there's so much noise. Unless you've

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kind of got a filter that you can pick things

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out that are of interest, you just won't notice

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it because you can only process so much information

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at once. So is that the limiting factor for a

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lot of your students? Is either their lack of

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training of situational awareness or their ability

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to process just because of, well, again, lack

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of experience in doing that? Because they don't

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walk around in yellow all the time? You do. What

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you learn to do is you just learn to know when

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to lower your needle. It's a little like the

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revs on a car. You can't keep it pinned here

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because you don't have the space to accelerate.

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You just maxed out your revs. So we always begin

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with the state of the operator. You have to have

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a calm state yourself. If you're agitated or

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you're already jacked up before you're leaving

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the house, you need to take about three minutes

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to do some breathing just to bring yourself down

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again. So the minimum I always say to guys is

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in the morning when you wake up, just take two

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or three minutes just to sit there and breathe.

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Now you can, whatever meditation people do, they

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can belly breathe, which is a fantastic exercise.

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Do that in the morning and do that on an evening

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at a minimum. You wake up, you're calm when you

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start the day, and at the end of the day, you

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blow all the stresses of the day out with that

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breathing as well. So the state of the operator

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has to be paramount because most people, they

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don't make, bad choices because they're bad people

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they don't make bad decisions like on purpose

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I don't think anyone sets out to make a bad decision

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and obviously there are always exceptions to

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those rules but it's cognitive failure that kicks

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in it's their ability to process information

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and then formulate a plan based on the information

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they're receiving they just get overloaded really

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quickly and that was actually the one I left

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out of the color code which is called black which

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is total shutdown So you can't process anything.

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So this is when people, you know, they've just

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got mental and frenzy and see red or they absolutely,

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they just freeze and they don't know what to

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do. I nicknamed it Code Brown for the civilian

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market. I find it lightens the mood slightly.

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One of my, true story, when I was in training

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in class in Canada, we were doing room clearing

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drills. And it was only rubber guns, so we weren't

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doing live rounds. It was just the idea of the

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exercise rather than a live simulation. And it

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was at the end of the day, everyone's always

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like, oh, do another one of these things. And

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the instructors, two of them have had to go home

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really, so we were limited in instructors. So

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you're clearing the rooms and then you find the

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person, okay, clear, secure, okay, next room,

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and you're doing all the clearing. And because

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we'd found the two instructors that we knew were

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there, the guy that was leading, You could just

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see his body started going through the motions

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because he knew we'd done the exercise. We just

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had to clear the rooms. One of the instructors

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ran around and came through one of the side doors

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at the back end and hid at the end of the maze

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that we were in or the room that we were in.

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And so he's not paying attention. He came around

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the front like that. And the instructor went,

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and just screamed at him. And it was like a still

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motion. he just stood there like that he didn't

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move he just froze because he he was done he

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he was just out instantly it took about 10 or

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15 seconds for him to like kind of realize what

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had gone on because he was in no threat no risk

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no actual um consequence the failure within this

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environment outside of looking like a bit of

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a puddin from your classmates um and he just

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adrenaline threshold Cognitive failure is the

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most code black I've ever seen anyone go. And

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it was a really interesting learning point. So

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that really challenged his idea of his own readiness.

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I'm sure if he was introspective about it, because

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he thought that, you know, I've run this drill

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before. I know what's coming up. I know where

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the bad guy is. I know where the good guy is,

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the shoot, the no shoot. And then, gosh, I would

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think that a person would understand that real

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life doesn't work that way. They should. They

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should. But when you're in the end of the day

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training exercise, we found the two, Hey, I'll

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just, you know, go through the motions. You never

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go through the motions in anything you do. So

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I'm sure that there's a lot of people in our

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audience. And I don't mean this is, it sounds

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like I'm criticizing my own audience. I'm not,

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that's not the point, but there's probably a

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lot of people who spend most of their time training

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at the range and shooting at paper targets under

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zero threat. you know, unless they're just being

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unsafe, but zero threat to themselves. And they

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know it, that they're sure that the paper target

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is not going to attack me, no matter, like, if

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I have a zombie on it, there's no threat. But

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as a result of that, they haven't trained to

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lower tiers. And my concern is that in the moment

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of need, and I kind of alluded to this earlier,

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that you won't have the time to get your weapon

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out. It's going to be on you so fast. And by

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the way, listeners, Jay also has on their Budo

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Brothers site, has a video series that you can

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subscribe to and get, which is called Too Close

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for Comfort, which is what to do in the moment

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when someone is really in your face and you are

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maybe restricted on movement, certainly forward

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because that person's in your face or on your

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flank, but maybe because of other constraints,

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a wall. a corner, something like that. And they

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haven't trained to that scenario. So they're

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going to go to gun right away and maybe that's

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justified. But how do you square these things?

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Going to a gun without training for anything

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else and maybe not even being able to get to

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your gun because now you're physically not able

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to get it out of your, you know, very expensive

00:22:10.859 --> 00:22:18.920
IWB holster. Or your $10 Blackhawk. Well, that's

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another topic. No, I know. I know. I'm teasing.

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It seems to be a ruining joke. I never had a

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problem with mine, but anyway, I digress. The

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too close for comfort thing is actually primarily

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aimed at those, like the things you've always

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got, you know, your hands and your mind and things

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and the mouth. Too close for comfort is even

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for martial artists. Now, you look at people

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that deal with hand -to -hand stuff all the time.

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And most people do not know how to generate impact

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or start a fight from close in or end a fight

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more accurately from close in. And a lot of this

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comes to do with decision -making thresholds.

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You can come in at lethal force instantly. No

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problem with that if the boxes are ticked and

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there's three of them. You can come in at just

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talking or walking instantly. Not a problem.

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You can go from lethal. realize you don't need

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to and come down the scale you can start speaking

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instantly jump so it's less an escalation of

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scale and it's more a continuum like a circle

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you just come in at any one given point you can

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just escalate and move across to wherever you

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need to be before we lose that thought if you

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come in at lethal on that circular continuum

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of force have you now justified The other guy

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escalating way beyond proportion of what the

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actual conflict should have been in the first

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place. Because now you're putting him in a defensive

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position where now there's a disparity, right?

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Correct. Correct. Now, if you're in proximity,

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of course, you've now escalated to a situation

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where you might not be able to get that off.

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Now, you said something interesting I was going

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to bring into. I will come back to your point

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there. You said earlier people that shoot the

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targets and things all day. then they find something

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that isn't lethal they're not prepared for. I

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would argue they're not prepared for lethal either.

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They're prepared for target shooting, which is

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fine. It's necessary with your skill. I'm quite

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an average target shooter. I'm an okay shot.

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I'm not great. I don't spend as much time on

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the range as a lot of people do because I've

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got other things that I do and I train in, but

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I like to keep my hand in there just so I can

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put a shot on target if I need to. when it came

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to active scenarios i was actually a way better

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shot because i bet i move better dynamically

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than i do statically um i'm very left eye dominant

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as well so i had to do a modified weaver rather

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than an isosceles which is what they tend to

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teach in the academy but when you're looking

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at lethal force your three criteria and different

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people use different level terminology but it's

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the same three things they have to have a weapon

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capable of inflicting grievous bodily harm or

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higher upon you They have to have the intention

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to use that, and they have to have a delivery

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system to actually put that upon you. So it's

00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:09.960
weapon intent delivery system. You need all three

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of those things in place for lethal force to

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then be a consideration. Me being crap at fighting

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doesn't instantly qualify as lethal force. Just

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because I can't do anything else doesn't mean

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I then pull, you know, Old Smokey out. So when

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you deploy a firearm or a weapon, like a blade,

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for example, as well, I'm a big knife guy. um

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you're instantly making this lethal force even

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if it wasn't to start with so if you are having

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a disagreement an argument and you know potentially

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going to end up in you know fisticuffs and then

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the second you pull out a lethal force option

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this is now life or death for that person too

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you're quite identified so you could put it in

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a position where you're now making it okay to

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kill you you're allowing them to then employ

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lethal force and you might not have needed to

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get to that point. So the considerations are

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always yourself and the other person. You can't

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just, you know, well, I'm protecting myself.

00:26:05.349 --> 00:26:06.809
Well, yeah, you are, but you're now making them

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protect themselves. And as a whole, even within

00:26:09.430 --> 00:26:12.069
police officers, you know, officers involved

00:26:12.069 --> 00:26:14.230
in self -induced jeopardy and things like that,

00:26:14.250 --> 00:26:16.509
there's a lot of legislation and laws and case

00:26:16.509 --> 00:26:18.289
laws around what you can and can't do with lethal

00:26:18.289 --> 00:26:23.170
force for that too. And as a civilian or non

00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:26.670
-officer, non -sworn, you don't have... um qualified

00:26:26.670 --> 00:26:29.250
immunity or protection of the agency that you

00:26:29.250 --> 00:26:30.970
represent or the state that you represent so

00:26:30.970 --> 00:26:32.549
you're literally just on your own swinging in

00:26:32.549 --> 00:26:35.549
the breeze if you're going straight to your your

00:26:35.549 --> 00:26:38.269
gun you've got a bigger problem because there's

00:26:38.269 --> 00:26:40.470
a lot of stuff you're missing that you know you

00:26:40.470 --> 00:26:43.190
probably could have done along the way if it's

00:26:43.190 --> 00:26:45.589
the time and the place for the gun sure i don't

00:26:45.589 --> 00:26:47.450
have a problem you can go straight to that gun

00:26:47.450 --> 00:26:49.670
but if you're pulling that out and it isn't a

00:26:49.670 --> 00:26:52.960
gun time you've got issues And I don't just mean

00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:54.279
as in you've got issues because you drew your

00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:55.579
gun. I mean, you've got issues going forward

00:26:55.579 --> 00:26:58.660
because now you've escalated a situation or you've

00:26:58.660 --> 00:27:03.019
made this exponentially worse. Then we start

00:27:03.019 --> 00:27:04.700
to get into the psychology of things as well,

00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.720
because when you kill someone, that's never going

00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:10.700
to be an easy thing to live with. Some people,

00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.480
if you've ever read on killing by Grossman, if

00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.200
you haven't, I highly suggest, I'm sure most

00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:19.599
of your listeners will, but if you haven't, well

00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:21.960
worth the investment of your time. The ability

00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.000
to actually kill someone isn't always in people.

00:27:25.700 --> 00:27:28.039
One of the hardest things I have when I teach

00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:30.160
self -defense is getting people to actually hit

00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:34.119
people. I mean, properly hit them. It's a very

00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.859
big hurdle to overcome because as a society,

00:27:36.859 --> 00:27:39.619
we're conditioned to, you know, have these barriers

00:27:39.619 --> 00:27:42.099
in place, these behavioral breaks that come upon

00:27:42.099 --> 00:27:45.000
us. If you're happy to just like, you know, haul

00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.779
off and peel a few rounds off, then again, then

00:27:47.779 --> 00:27:49.920
you have got issues because it shouldn't be that

00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.339
casual for anything. Once you know your lines

00:27:53.339 --> 00:27:57.660
in the sand, where you should be looking to deploy

00:27:57.660 --> 00:27:59.339
lethal force, where you should be dialing back,

00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.200
where you should be wrestling, where you should

00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.339
be hitting, where you should be striking, whatever

00:28:03.339 --> 00:28:06.119
it happens to be, when you know your lines, your

00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.740
decision becomes a lot easier to make. Most people

00:28:08.740 --> 00:28:10.359
don't know their lines. They just stop and go.

00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:12.539
So they go white to black instantly like that,

00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:14.059
guns out, bang, bang, bang, and now all of a

00:28:14.059 --> 00:28:15.660
sudden we've got a lawsuit and a jail time on

00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:18.240
our hands potentially. And even if you get away

00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:22.559
or acquitted... on any charges against you. There's,

00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:24.940
you know, stress, hours, time away from family,

00:28:25.099 --> 00:28:27.220
money, and all the other stuff that goes along

00:28:27.220 --> 00:28:28.779
with it. And at the end of the day, you killed

00:28:28.779 --> 00:28:32.880
someone. I've seen, though, so many other practitioners,

00:28:33.220 --> 00:28:36.440
I'm not saying on your site, that's a disclaimer,

00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.099
that basically say to seize the initiative very

00:28:40.099 --> 00:28:42.200
quickly if it looks like it's going to go violent

00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.660
and basically take the high ground in order to

00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:49.039
preclude the other person from having the tactical

00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.059
advantage of assuming that you survived the initial

00:28:52.059 --> 00:28:54.519
contact and the surprise from the initial contact

00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:59.220
that you go very aggressive, very fast. You know,

00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.240
it's, it's, you know, it's essentially what they,

00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:03.900
you know, term in the, in the military of, um,

00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:05.940
what's the word I'm looking for? The phrase I'm

00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:11.019
looking for. Epic fury. No, not, no, no, I don't

00:29:11.019 --> 00:29:15.119
mean that. No, uh, it's something of violence.

00:29:15.339 --> 00:29:18.019
Um, Gosh darn it, why can't I remember that phrase?

00:29:18.539 --> 00:29:23.640
Sudden violence? No, well, it's the... Asymmetrical,

00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.019
I think, might be the thing you're looking for.

00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.680
Not really asymmetrical, but close to that. It's

00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.779
essentially the application of violence in a

00:29:29.779 --> 00:29:34.299
disproportionate manner early and often. And

00:29:34.299 --> 00:29:37.960
that is maybe the thing that I think people have...

00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:39.299
But you've got to get to that tipping point.

00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:44.299
Well, the tipping point is, dude pushes me, and

00:29:44.299 --> 00:29:48.299
then... I pull a knife on him? This is the problem

00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:51.619
when you start to take military and law enforcement

00:29:51.619 --> 00:29:54.359
training to non -military, non -law enforcement

00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:58.140
environments. It doesn't work. Well, that's not

00:29:58.140 --> 00:30:01.160
true. It doesn't work automatically. Context

00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.319
is always king. So when you look at most of the

00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:07.150
people providing... firearms training and things

00:30:07.150 --> 00:30:09.750
like that as well they have backgrounds in military

00:30:09.750 --> 00:30:13.049
and in law enforcement you know and things like

00:30:13.049 --> 00:30:15.630
that these days you can of course qualify separately

00:30:15.630 --> 00:30:18.190
but most people tend to to come from those backgrounds

00:30:18.190 --> 00:30:21.029
but the theaters that they're operating in are

00:30:21.029 --> 00:30:24.269
very different if i'm in a theater of war for

00:30:24.269 --> 00:30:26.369
example yeah i'm going to be peeling caps off

00:30:26.369 --> 00:30:29.899
shoot i'll be getting those shots in first because

00:30:29.899 --> 00:30:33.099
I almost know the rules of engagement. Okay,

00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:35.880
like if you're having a gun, bloody high. Like

00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.779
if I'm having a gun, I've still got one on me,

00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.880
here we go. But even there, there was a video,

00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:42.880
I actually did a breakdown on it for my students.

00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:46.779
It was body cam footage from the Ukrainian conflict

00:30:46.779 --> 00:30:48.720
that's going on right now. It was a Russian soldier

00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.220
against a Ukraine soldier. And they started off

00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:54.480
basically closing down on each other. They ended

00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:58.460
up hand -to -hand wrestling with a blade. Even

00:30:58.460 --> 00:31:00.880
when a firearm, in an environment where it's

00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.799
literally firearms all the time, it's military,

00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:05.880
highly trained, all that sort of thing, it still

00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:07.819
ended up coming down to who had the better wrestling,

00:31:08.059 --> 00:31:13.019
knife or otherwise. In a civilian setting, most

00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:15.579
problems are solved by awareness, your posture,

00:31:15.740 --> 00:31:18.200
your movements, body language, boundaries, leaving

00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:20.539
God, just not being where problems are likely

00:31:20.539 --> 00:31:23.400
to occur in the first place. Exactly, using my

00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:29.000
legs to walk away if I can. Even with my 52 -year

00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.019
-old gammy knees, I can still get away at a fair

00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:34.359
clip if I need to. The gun is a last -ditch answer

00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:38.180
to a very narrow class of problems. It is not

00:31:38.180 --> 00:31:41.779
a panacea. It's not a universal solution. And

00:31:41.779 --> 00:31:45.259
for me, the gun should make you more careful,

00:31:45.339 --> 00:31:49.019
not more courageous. Okay, so let's talk about

00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:55.079
Houston in 2023. at the mexican restaurant where

00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:59.559
the place is being robbed by a guy what turns

00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:03.000
out later to be a toy gun and waves the gun around

00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.579
rather indiscriminately and uh not really pointing

00:32:06.579 --> 00:32:09.079
at anyone in particular demands their wallet

00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.259
most people acquiesce give the wallet up because

00:32:11.259 --> 00:32:13.500
it's property and don't feel like getting shot

00:32:13.500 --> 00:32:15.440
but they haven't really analyzed that it's not

00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.900
a real gun and then as homies leave in the place

00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:23.500
um Your good Samaritan, who's already pre -positioned

00:32:23.500 --> 00:32:26.380
himself, offs the guy, shooting him multiple

00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:28.599
times in the back, basically executes the guy

00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.819
while he's on the ground after the gun's already

00:32:30.819 --> 00:32:34.359
been removed from him. You talked about perfectly,

00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:37.140
by the way, in that video, understanding what

00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:41.200
the pause means and being accountable for every

00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.460
round that you send down range or send into somebody.

00:32:45.579 --> 00:32:47.660
For the backstory on this, the guy was ultimately,

00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:51.740
no charges were filed, but he's in Houston. Exactly,

00:32:52.180 --> 00:32:54.380
he's Texas. Any other state, he would be in prison

00:32:54.380 --> 00:32:57.660
for many years. I didn't think it was. Personally,

00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:01.980
I can understand why, as long as the guy's an

00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:04.420
imminent threat, that you could take that action.

00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.220
But once he's disengaging and leaving, it would

00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:10.319
be really hard for me to decide that I'm going

00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.410
to shoot this guy as he's leaving. um yes he

00:33:14.410 --> 00:33:16.690
still had a gun in his hand but the the pause

00:33:16.690 --> 00:33:19.069
is the thing that i think and keep going as well

00:33:19.069 --> 00:33:22.430
that was the thing yeah right mag dumped in me

00:33:22.430 --> 00:33:24.890
he basically mag dumped the guy when he was already

00:33:24.890 --> 00:33:28.490
on the floor yeah yeah so what are your thoughts

00:33:28.490 --> 00:33:31.509
on on that because you know the red mist came

00:33:31.509 --> 00:33:35.529
out and he couldn't shut it off the pause is

00:33:35.529 --> 00:33:38.559
so important because And it's a good example

00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:40.440
and illustration of it, if a little extreme,

00:33:40.539 --> 00:33:42.940
because, you know, there was still a gun in play

00:33:42.940 --> 00:33:46.440
at that point. But not every movement is a lethal

00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.980
cue. Not every apparent threat is what it seems.

00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.319
And then once you've acted with the firearm,

00:33:53.539 --> 00:33:55.759
so once you send it out there, you can't get

00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.380
it back. You can't just like, you know, oh, sorry,

00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.740
my bad. You can't load the previous save to keep

00:34:02.740 --> 00:34:05.700
your character points intact so you don't get...

00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.599
punished and things um the pause isn't hesitation

00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:13.320
for its own sake it's a disciplined moment of

00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.340
recognition of what am i seeing and what's going

00:34:15.340 --> 00:34:19.559
on here right now um the restaurant example is

00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:21.679
a good one because the internet rewards speed

00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:25.179
of opinion uh whereas reality rewards speed of

00:34:25.179 --> 00:34:28.300
judgment and the pause is what allows you to

00:34:28.300 --> 00:34:32.460
do that um i've just come back from ilita where

00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:35.820
i was um teaching um ethical decision making

00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:39.739
under pressure and the basis of that is find

00:34:39.739 --> 00:34:42.119
decision points that what i do is i tend to hide

00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.079
it as talking points so find the point where

00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.679
you can talk to the guy so we and we i do this

00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:49.420
introducing for a series of drills but the art

00:34:49.420 --> 00:34:52.820
of conversation is lost and i had lots of um

00:34:52.820 --> 00:34:54.840
experienced officers some really good people

00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:56.679
i met some fantastic officers while i was there

00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.239
some very very experienced i always do a little

00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.300
dip test of the room and i said right who trains

00:35:02.300 --> 00:35:05.239
here in some form of martial art and hands go

00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.559
up and one of the guys had been training jiu

00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.179
-jitsu and martial arts and mma for over 25 years

00:35:10.179 --> 00:35:12.719
and ran a school there was some 12 15 year guys

00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.019
there and i said okay how much time did you put

00:35:15.019 --> 00:35:17.500
in on the mats this week and they were like oh

00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:19.699
you know two hours three four times a week so

00:35:19.699 --> 00:35:22.179
eight hours and how much time did you put in

00:35:22.179 --> 00:35:26.059
the gym oh you know well hour three or four days

00:35:26.059 --> 00:35:27.760
okay so we've got another let's say we're up

00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.099
to 12 hours Did you only range time this week?

00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:33.440
Yeah, I spent about an hour or two at the range.

00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:36.579
Okay, so now we're getting to 14. I said, how

00:35:36.579 --> 00:35:38.139
much time did you spend on your talking this

00:35:38.139 --> 00:35:41.219
week? And they're like, what? And I said, well,

00:35:41.260 --> 00:35:42.960
you're talking. I don't mean talking. I mean

00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.239
practicing communicating, practicing finding

00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.920
these times. When do I talk? When do I walk?

00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:53.139
When do I fight? Because policing has got this

00:35:53.139 --> 00:35:56.610
idea. that when you're arresting someone, you're

00:35:56.610 --> 00:35:58.050
giving them instructions as you're arresting

00:35:58.050 --> 00:35:59.829
them. And you'll see it in the videos online,

00:36:00.030 --> 00:36:02.210
you know, some good channels out there. Reality

00:36:02.210 --> 00:36:04.570
Check with Jay Cooper is a good one. I've heard

00:36:04.570 --> 00:36:06.030
of that. There's also Active Self Protection.

00:36:06.389 --> 00:36:07.670
Yeah, it's a good channel. You should check it

00:36:07.670 --> 00:36:09.969
out. He's a very handsome chap, although he's

00:36:09.969 --> 00:36:14.469
got longer hair than in some of the videos. You

00:36:14.469 --> 00:36:16.989
mean John Correa, or did you mean this Jay Cooper

00:36:16.989 --> 00:36:19.909
person? Well, John, his hair's gone really long

00:36:19.909 --> 00:36:22.269
now, hasn't it? It looks fun. I'm jealous. It's

00:36:22.269 --> 00:36:24.210
luxurious, John's hair now. He's trading weight

00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:27.110
for hair, it seems. Okay, that's a first one.

00:36:27.550 --> 00:36:31.909
It's like a kind of Samson thing. I'm not sure

00:36:31.909 --> 00:36:34.829
I like the visuals on that, but go on, Jay. Okay,

00:36:34.949 --> 00:36:36.889
fair enough. John's channel's great when they

00:36:36.889 --> 00:36:38.150
add to his self -protection channel, but he tends

00:36:38.150 --> 00:36:40.289
to use a lot more of that side of the fence with

00:36:40.289 --> 00:36:43.860
it. But you always say, get on the floor, get

00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:44.800
on the floor, drop a knife, drop a knife, drop

00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:47.179
a knife, drop a knife. Well, if you look at how

00:36:47.179 --> 00:36:49.059
most, how we are, and this is why the pause becomes

00:36:49.059 --> 00:36:53.599
so important. There's a lot of like neuroplasticity

00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:56.280
and scientific things behind it. But if we go

00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.780
high brain, low brain, we kind of know where

00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:00.960
we're at with that. High brains, like the thoughts

00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.599
and the speech, the, you know, the fine motor

00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.500
skills. Low brain has got three functions. Can

00:37:06.500 --> 00:37:10.179
I eat this? Should I fight this? Or should I?

00:37:10.730 --> 00:37:13.730
flirt with this i think we'll stick with that

00:37:13.730 --> 00:37:18.309
for the third f um so you've got 3f brain and

00:37:18.309 --> 00:37:20.250
high functioning brain now the second you start

00:37:20.250 --> 00:37:24.349
to like go you're putting that person to 3f brains

00:37:24.349 --> 00:37:26.250
so now they're going to do one of two things

00:37:26.250 --> 00:37:29.650
eat you fight you or you know particularly turn

00:37:29.650 --> 00:37:35.889
you around yeah yeah exactly um So you can't

00:37:35.889 --> 00:37:38.489
then expect them to comply or follow directions.

00:37:38.650 --> 00:37:41.329
If you're coming in like rah, and you put them

00:37:41.329 --> 00:37:43.329
like rah, they're not in that brain. So you have

00:37:43.329 --> 00:37:44.809
to lower them down if you want to get compliance

00:37:44.809 --> 00:37:47.050
at that end. But we also have to bring ourselves

00:37:47.050 --> 00:37:49.170
down because now we're entering dangerously close

00:37:49.170 --> 00:37:52.230
to that cognitive failure mode. So if I can't

00:37:52.230 --> 00:37:54.090
bring myself down and just take that pause, and

00:37:54.090 --> 00:37:57.599
the pause doesn't have to be big. It's just a

00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:59.800
simple awareness of what's going on. Very good

00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:01.360
training example of this, and I can draw this

00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.920
from my own experiences when I was in the academy.

00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.320
Because as I said, not a particularly good paper

00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.619
shooter. I'm okay. I can put them where they

00:38:08.619 --> 00:38:11.920
need to be, but my grouping's not the best. But

00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:15.519
it's on target. It's fine. And then we have the

00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.219
Prism system in Calgary where you run the video

00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:23.599
scenarios. It's like the old, is it Mad Dog McCree,

00:38:23.659 --> 00:38:27.050
the old video game? Yeah, yeah. it's kind of

00:38:27.050 --> 00:38:29.050
so the prism system that we use is one of those

00:38:29.050 --> 00:38:30.769
sort of things it's like videos and it responds

00:38:30.769 --> 00:38:33.769
in certain ways but they also had some optional

00:38:33.769 --> 00:38:36.469
things on those where they had different sized

00:38:36.469 --> 00:38:38.550
round targets and numbered and you had to shoot

00:38:38.550 --> 00:38:41.530
them in order now guys that were way better shots

00:38:41.530 --> 00:38:47.130
than me would be going like bang bang bang bang

00:38:47.130 --> 00:38:50.170
and their times were like you know within a class

00:38:50.170 --> 00:38:52.690
of 30 you know they're roughly the same but they're

00:38:52.690 --> 00:38:55.219
getting up there I went up, and again, like I

00:38:55.219 --> 00:38:57.519
said, not the best shot, but it was like, go.

00:38:57.780 --> 00:38:59.380
And the first thing I did was look where all

00:38:59.380 --> 00:39:00.880
the numbers were, and then went bang, bang, bang,

00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:02.480
bang, bang, bang, bang. And I was the second

00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.579
fastest in the class. Now, I'm not the best gunman,

00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:08.360
but I took time to see what was going on before

00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:12.460
I then engaged. It's a small example, and obviously

00:39:12.460 --> 00:39:14.800
it's within a safe training environment, but

00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.360
when you see what's going on, what's really going

00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:20.500
on versus what you think is going on, the vista

00:39:20.500 --> 00:39:23.230
of options then becomes open to you. The Houston

00:39:23.230 --> 00:39:25.030
Restaurant one is an interesting one because

00:39:25.030 --> 00:39:27.750
I'm not sure I'd have shot the guy as he was

00:39:27.750 --> 00:39:31.489
going. Might have done. I can't say I would.

00:39:31.510 --> 00:39:32.809
I can't say I wouldn't because I'm not there.

00:39:33.010 --> 00:39:36.170
And hindsight's always 20 -20. But at the point

00:39:36.170 --> 00:39:39.289
he's leaving, he isn't a threat anymore in the

00:39:39.289 --> 00:39:41.150
strictest sense of the word, unless he turns

00:39:41.150 --> 00:39:43.789
around and starts, you know, peeling off rounds.

00:39:44.309 --> 00:39:47.369
I understand why that guy engaged him. I genuinely

00:39:47.369 --> 00:39:49.650
do. I don't necessarily understand why he mag

00:39:49.650 --> 00:39:51.980
-dumped him other than the fact he was... He

00:39:51.980 --> 00:39:53.659
was going for it, and that was it. He was in

00:39:53.659 --> 00:39:56.019
there. Yeah, the difference between stopping

00:39:56.019 --> 00:39:59.099
someone and killing someone, I think legally

00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:02.780
has some merit. If I clench you and start to

00:40:02.780 --> 00:40:05.099
leave my size 11s on the side of your face repeatedly,

00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.039
I've gone beyond what person would consider reasonable.

00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.139
Just because there's a potential. If it looks

00:40:12.139 --> 00:40:15.650
like a gun, it's a gun. That's... A simple rule.

00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:17.730
Or if it looks like it might be a gun and they're

00:40:17.730 --> 00:40:19.710
acting like it's a gun, it's a gun. Even if it's

00:40:19.710 --> 00:40:21.650
a chair leg in a plastic bag or something. There

00:40:21.650 --> 00:40:24.170
have been instances like that. If they're using

00:40:24.170 --> 00:40:27.389
it in that manner to make you think it is, assume

00:40:27.389 --> 00:40:30.110
it is. If it turns out afterwards it isn't, then

00:40:30.110 --> 00:40:32.110
they shouldn't have pretended it was. Right.

00:40:32.650 --> 00:40:35.190
You're not going to risk your life over something

00:40:35.190 --> 00:40:38.409
that could be. No, you have to look at it with

00:40:38.409 --> 00:40:40.309
the best information you have in the instant

00:40:40.309 --> 00:40:43.010
in which you encounter it and then make your

00:40:43.010 --> 00:40:47.659
best decision. And, you know, if it turns out

00:40:47.659 --> 00:40:49.820
differently, then that might be something that

00:40:49.820 --> 00:40:51.679
you're going to have to litigate at another time.

00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:53.440
Well, you're going to have to be able to articulate

00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:55.159
why you did what you did because it's going to

00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:57.820
get played over and over and over again in court

00:40:57.820 --> 00:41:00.659
for the jury to watch in slow motion when it

00:41:00.659 --> 00:41:03.059
didn't happen in slow motion. It's no different

00:41:03.059 --> 00:41:05.280
than watching a sports event where a referee

00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.539
got a bad call. It's a decision made in seconds

00:41:08.539 --> 00:41:13.119
that is analyzed for hours, put before the DAs

00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.860
and the lawyers for weeks and months, and is

00:41:15.860 --> 00:41:19.619
taught as an example for years. It's unfair,

00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.739
but it is what it is. And this is the other thing.

00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:23.420
This is actually tied back to the piece about

00:41:23.420 --> 00:41:27.079
the training. I've got a gun, I'm fine. If you

00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:28.619
look at an athlete training for an event, to

00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:31.300
use that example, an athlete spends 90 % of their

00:41:31.300 --> 00:41:34.690
time training for 10 % of performance. most peace

00:41:34.690 --> 00:41:37.190
officers, police officers spend about 90 % on

00:41:37.190 --> 00:41:38.909
performance and 10 % on the actual training.

00:41:39.630 --> 00:41:42.030
So it's the only, well, not the only, but it's

00:41:42.030 --> 00:41:43.670
one of those examples of where the test actually

00:41:43.670 --> 00:41:46.449
comes before the lesson. And we don't want to

00:41:46.449 --> 00:41:47.969
find ourselves in that situation, whether we

00:41:47.969 --> 00:41:49.670
use a hand, a gun or whatever it is, that all

00:41:49.670 --> 00:41:52.469
of a sudden now, well, I have my gun, he looked

00:41:52.469 --> 00:41:54.610
aggressive. You're going to need more than that.

00:41:54.849 --> 00:41:56.750
This is where that situational awareness piece

00:41:56.750 --> 00:41:58.530
comes into it as well, because it's not just

00:41:58.530 --> 00:42:01.619
where's the danger, it's what am I seeing? And

00:42:01.619 --> 00:42:04.880
you'll hear things like bladed stance. And I'm

00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.239
sure you're familiar with the term bladed stance.

00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.599
But I had this at Eilita. I said, OK, what's

00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.280
a bladed stance? They said, well, we know what

00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.320
a bladed stance means. I said, I do. You do.

00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:19.079
But who's reading the report? Who is going to

00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.460
listen to this account of events going on? Tell

00:42:22.460 --> 00:42:24.739
me what that person was doing. Well, his left

00:42:24.739 --> 00:42:26.739
foot was backwards and it was raised, you know,

00:42:26.739 --> 00:42:28.360
the toes were pointing slightly off to one side,

00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.780
the knees were bent, you know, this foot was

00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:34.059
here. I call this a bladed stance. A precursor

00:42:34.059 --> 00:42:37.239
or a furtive movement. Yeah, but you have to

00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.639
qualify what it is if you're going to name it.

00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.599
You can't just name it outright and assume people

00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:46.239
know what you're talking about. We fall into

00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.400
that jargon, talking policing a lot, but the

00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:51.050
civilian world falls into that as well. um oh

00:42:51.050 --> 00:42:56.030
yeah i i i i i feared for my safety why because

00:42:56.030 --> 00:42:58.650
that on its own means nothing that's a conclusion

00:42:58.650 --> 00:43:01.070
that isn't evidence that's a conclusion this

00:43:01.070 --> 00:43:02.469
happened this happened this happened this happened

00:43:02.469 --> 00:43:04.329
i saw this i saw this i heard this i felt this

00:43:04.329 --> 00:43:07.829
therefore i feel for my safety that's fine you

00:43:07.829 --> 00:43:09.889
can't go conclusion i feared for my safety therefore

00:43:09.889 --> 00:43:13.210
i used there's a whole thing that has to go into

00:43:13.210 --> 00:43:16.389
justifying that conclusion fear for my safety

00:43:16.389 --> 00:43:18.949
i apprehended immediate and lawful personal violence

00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.599
whatever you decide it to be, there has to be

00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:24.440
an explanation to that conclusion. The conclusion

00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.619
does not stand on its own. So do armed people

00:43:27.619 --> 00:43:31.599
then, in your experience or what you've researched,

00:43:31.940 --> 00:43:35.920
jump into situations too early or without full

00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.559
context because they feel justified by virtue

00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:43.980
of being armed? I think you find that. You do

00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:46.699
find it. I don't think it's that common, to be

00:43:46.699 --> 00:43:49.989
fair. If you look at the statistics of... firearms

00:43:49.989 --> 00:43:52.269
owners and carriers versus those that are actually

00:43:52.269 --> 00:43:55.969
using them I think we'd see a lot higher numbers

00:43:55.969 --> 00:43:58.909
on people using them unnecessarily if that was

00:43:58.909 --> 00:44:01.829
the predominant mindset I don't think it is I

00:44:01.829 --> 00:44:06.710
think it can become I think it can become a comfort

00:44:06.710 --> 00:44:10.590
giver or you know I've got my gun so I'm good

00:44:10.590 --> 00:44:13.170
to go and there was an argument there was one

00:44:13.170 --> 00:44:16.789
I forget where it was it was either Cuba or Costa

00:44:16.789 --> 00:44:20.340
Rica I forget which one it was. And it was an

00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:24.900
argument between two neighbors. And it ended

00:44:24.900 --> 00:44:26.519
up being a bit of a shoving match. And then the

00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:28.760
other guy, he'd already put his piece on him.

00:44:28.780 --> 00:44:31.760
So he was ready to go. It became a pushing match.

00:44:32.139 --> 00:44:34.159
And again, he mag dumped him. He literally just

00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.059
pumped, you know, his rounds into him. And there

00:44:36.059 --> 00:44:39.079
was absolutely no lethal force threshold met

00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:43.000
at all. But it's like, I've got a gun. I'm going

00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.400
to use it. Now there was another video. I did

00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.300
a breakdown. in the supermarket of all places

00:44:49.300 --> 00:44:54.340
and a guy had he'd helped the guy so there was

00:44:54.340 --> 00:44:58.159
a big tall guy with a cowboy hat on and the guy

00:44:58.159 --> 00:44:59.920
had helped him and then he hadn't said thank

00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:01.719
you so then he started beaking off at him for

00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:03.920
not saying thank you we're already starting to

00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:06.400
get into a very dangerous ego territory right

00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:09.300
now um well you didn't say thank you well did

00:45:09.300 --> 00:45:11.380
you do it because you wanted to be nice or did

00:45:11.380 --> 00:45:13.460
you do it to get a thank you it's you know but

00:45:13.460 --> 00:45:16.260
then they started he flipped his hat and they

00:45:16.260 --> 00:45:19.199
started arguing and then the taller guy pulled

00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.739
the knife out and then the guy does his out comes

00:45:21.739 --> 00:45:23.539
a gun and it became a game of rock paper scissors

00:45:23.539 --> 00:45:27.960
and you know baseball batting um a very appropriate

00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:29.980
the guy goes for knife fine i'll go for my gun

00:45:29.980 --> 00:45:33.119
i don't have a problem with what happened in

00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:37.780
that moment but if we wind it back why if the

00:45:37.780 --> 00:45:40.019
guy didn't say thank you okay he's an let him

00:45:40.019 --> 00:45:44.480
go you know Just don't help him again. There's

00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:48.900
no need to then get that sense of, I want to

00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:51.619
be right about this. You need to know that I

00:45:51.619 --> 00:45:53.960
helped you and you didn't say thank you. And

00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.059
I've been guilty of that myself. You know, like

00:45:56.059 --> 00:45:57.800
you open the door for someone and they walk through

00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.260
and they don't say anything. I always go, I don't

00:46:00.260 --> 00:46:02.719
mention it, which is, I don't need to say that.

00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:04.619
It just makes me feel better inside sometimes.

00:46:05.059 --> 00:46:07.940
And we all find ourselves in those traps, but

00:46:07.940 --> 00:46:11.659
that. knife to gun scenario appropriate use of

00:46:11.659 --> 00:46:13.440
a gun because the guy went for a knife inappropriate

00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:16.039
use of a knife but it didn't even need to get

00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:19.800
to that point because again it just it started

00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.980
here and then it ended up you know the standoff

00:46:21.980 --> 00:46:24.920
which was you know and again the gun becomes

00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:28.280
if things go on i've got my gun here the one

00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:29.840
of the biggest fantasies in self -protection

00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.460
is that picture peen you know i've got this clean

00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:34.739
draw coming in against this opponent known distance

00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:38.670
and real life don't work that way It really doesn't.

00:46:38.789 --> 00:46:41.090
A lot of the time, what saves you is the person's

00:46:41.090 --> 00:46:44.829
as useless as you are. And you winning by look

00:46:44.829 --> 00:46:48.590
as much as design. For the listeners, if you

00:46:48.590 --> 00:46:51.590
haven't watched Jay's reality check videos, which

00:46:51.590 --> 00:46:54.789
again, I insisted that you do that, do your homework

00:46:54.789 --> 00:46:57.409
and get educated on this stuff. The number of

00:46:57.409 --> 00:47:00.780
incompetent fighters that he... puts forth that

00:47:00.780 --> 00:47:03.699
get into bad situations that end up going very

00:47:03.699 --> 00:47:06.840
very wrong for sometimes both parties is remarkable

00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.699
i mean competence is not assumed on the part

00:47:09.699 --> 00:47:13.019
of your threat at all but the threat part like

00:47:13.019 --> 00:47:16.000
you've highlighted a number of occasions where

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.099
someone just gets into a fist fight and then

00:47:19.099 --> 00:47:21.539
you know one maybe is a little more skilled than

00:47:21.539 --> 00:47:24.019
the other pops some guy he hits his head on the

00:47:24.019 --> 00:47:27.340
cement parking lot and now you've got a grievous

00:47:27.340 --> 00:47:32.860
industry injury for a scenario that, again, was

00:47:32.860 --> 00:47:36.320
disproportionate in result. Maybe not in action,

00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:40.139
but disproportionate in result. It becomes interesting

00:47:40.139 --> 00:47:41.880
when you deal with that, though, because outcome

00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:44.300
isn't the measure of the action. Imminency is.

00:47:44.860 --> 00:47:47.840
Right. And when you look at legal, moral, and

00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.380
ethical ramifications of actions that we take,

00:47:50.539 --> 00:47:55.050
that's where fantasy dies. um especially online

00:47:55.050 --> 00:47:57.590
if you i've actually i'll be honest i have a

00:47:57.590 --> 00:48:00.389
great audience my audience is really really good

00:48:00.389 --> 00:48:02.849
and it's overwhelmingly positive i've got about

00:48:02.849 --> 00:48:06.130
i've got a good pareto i've got 80 awesome the

00:48:06.130 --> 00:48:09.170
20 some are over you know the trolling a little

00:48:09.170 --> 00:48:13.150
bit some are just absolute you know morons not

00:48:13.150 --> 00:48:16.150
enough to make youtube keep you um you know on

00:48:16.150 --> 00:48:18.489
the air all the time though right well the problem

00:48:18.489 --> 00:48:20.909
with youtube i have it's a slight diversion because

00:48:20.909 --> 00:48:24.840
i i switched to instagram um and facebook um

00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:28.059
i started off on facebook with uploads to youtube

00:48:28.059 --> 00:48:30.179
when i was working with the budo brothers and

00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:32.780
we put it on their channel and then they content

00:48:32.780 --> 00:48:35.480
hit them they just went absolutely not you're

00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.000
not putting that up and they gave a strike now

00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.039
they get one more strike and their channels taken

00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.739
down now the buddha brothers got 2 .1 million

00:48:41.739 --> 00:48:44.900
subscribers on the channel big audience you don't

00:48:44.900 --> 00:48:46.579
want to be losing that so that's why reality

00:48:46.579 --> 00:48:48.639
check on youtube ended up becoming its own thing

00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:53.880
um we were getting 13 million up to. We averaged

00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:55.599
about two to three million views on the videos.

00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.000
Then Facebook started shadow banning what we

00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.039
were doing. So we started getting these adult

00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:03.619
content hits and YouTube, every single video

00:49:03.619 --> 00:49:07.360
I put up, mature content must be able to watch

00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:12.280
this. Now, I don't mind that per se if they were

00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.659
consistent, but half the time the videos I'm

00:49:14.659 --> 00:49:16.340
commenting on are still up on YouTube in their

00:49:16.340 --> 00:49:20.820
original format. No problem. I do a commentary

00:49:20.820 --> 00:49:22.739
on it, and I like to think I add a little bit

00:49:22.739 --> 00:49:25.559
of social value to the video. I don't just do

00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:27.579
the violence poem, and all of a sudden I'm getting

00:49:27.579 --> 00:49:29.619
smacked with adult content strikes. And I don't

00:49:29.619 --> 00:49:33.920
get monetized in Canada anyway, so fine. YouTube,

00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:35.440
I'll put a video up there every now and then,

00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:37.420
but most of my stuff now is on Instagram and

00:49:37.420 --> 00:49:40.199
Facebook because it's just easy to get the content

00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:43.900
out. The content I want to put out there isn't

00:49:43.900 --> 00:49:47.179
to sell things. I have courses. Of course, I've

00:49:47.179 --> 00:49:49.000
got the two courses. I've got the original reality

00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:50.780
check course and the two course for comfort course,

00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.539
the two main ones that I do. I do private tuition.

00:49:53.619 --> 00:49:57.679
I do consulting. I do expert opinions. I do all

00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.739
that stuff. But I don't, the videos, I want,

00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:04.179
if you do nothing else but watch my videos, I'd

00:50:04.179 --> 00:50:06.559
like that to still be a worthwhile experience

00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.380
that will teach you something. I want the information

00:50:09.380 --> 00:50:11.619
to be out there so we can just, you know, make

00:50:11.619 --> 00:50:13.360
the world a little bit better one piece at a

00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.840
time. So when we look at... what most be the

00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.019
fantasies like people talk online as if every

00:50:19.019 --> 00:50:21.860
confrontation is like morally simple and legally

00:50:21.860 --> 00:50:24.340
obvious and that comes from both ends either

00:50:24.340 --> 00:50:26.300
you know the well you shouldn't have f around

00:50:26.300 --> 00:50:29.659
and found out that crowd or the other people

00:50:29.659 --> 00:50:31.940
which is any action taken is instantly an assault

00:50:31.940 --> 00:50:34.539
and shouldn't have been done um but it's never

00:50:34.539 --> 00:50:37.989
obvious It's never straightforward. The law doesn't

00:50:37.989 --> 00:50:40.929
work that way. You can be justified in the moment

00:50:40.929 --> 00:50:43.730
and you'll always face scrutiny afterwards. And

00:50:43.730 --> 00:50:46.210
then plenty of people, as in the supermarket

00:50:46.210 --> 00:50:48.329
example, escalate situations that they've got

00:50:48.329 --> 00:50:51.710
no business escalating. A shove, a fall, a curve,

00:50:51.829 --> 00:50:54.409
a bad angle, a shot from a gun that shouldn't

00:50:54.409 --> 00:50:56.949
have gone off and you're dealing with catastrophic

00:50:56.949 --> 00:51:01.130
injury or death. Force isn't judged by how scared

00:51:01.130 --> 00:51:04.880
you felt. alone um but the facts that were present

00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:08.960
that led to you feeling that fear and um you

00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.960
can take an action which is absolutely not the

00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:14.559
right action to do but as long as your reasons

00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.579
for doing that are good or at least articulable

00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:20.440
and explainable you can be okay it's why math

00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.139
teachers used to say always show me you're working

00:51:22.139 --> 00:51:25.900
out so even if your answer is wrong you're working

00:51:25.900 --> 00:51:28.599
out it's fine they can see what led you to that

00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.619
even if it's just one digit wrong that led you

00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:34.139
to the wrong answer you get credit for your working

00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:37.699
out well the law effectively at the risk of oversimplifying

00:51:37.699 --> 00:51:40.579
works on the same principle you get credit for

00:51:40.579 --> 00:51:42.440
your working out if the answer is right as well

00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.980
good on you but if your answer is wrong your

00:51:45.980 --> 00:51:47.699
working out will still get you the pass mark

00:51:47.699 --> 00:51:51.340
if it's done properly are there situations where

00:51:51.340 --> 00:51:55.880
i'm kind of a two -part question here where people

00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:58.639
who are maybe just waking up to the idea of gee

00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:02.280
i need to, you know, develop some organic and

00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.679
by organic, I mean, you know, skills of the stuff

00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:06.559
that's actually literally attached to you that

00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:10.239
has blood flowing in it, organic skills in areas

00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:13.460
where they haven't trained before. Maybe they

00:52:13.460 --> 00:52:18.579
have some use of a Kubiton. Maybe they have listened

00:52:18.579 --> 00:52:20.199
to one of our previous shows where we talked

00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.219
about pepper spray and they've adopted that as

00:52:22.219 --> 00:52:24.840
an escalation of force. You know, one of the

00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.090
steps up that ladder. They already probably have

00:52:28.090 --> 00:52:30.449
a CCW, so they've got that part covered, but

00:52:30.449 --> 00:52:31.730
they haven't really thought about the hands and

00:52:31.730 --> 00:52:35.809
the feet part. Are there ways that are more efficient

00:52:35.809 --> 00:52:39.510
for middle -aged or maybe slightly above middle

00:52:39.510 --> 00:52:43.510
-aged folks like the three of us to learn that

00:52:43.510 --> 00:52:47.550
stuff? And then the second part of the same question

00:52:47.550 --> 00:52:50.380
is, are there things that you would call... In

00:52:50.380 --> 00:52:52.179
the Navy, we call it negative training. Negative

00:52:52.179 --> 00:52:54.019
training is training to the wrong thing. In other

00:52:54.019 --> 00:52:56.360
words, you're imbuing someone with misinformation

00:52:56.360 --> 00:53:00.139
that you shouldn't do that. I'm going to point

00:53:00.139 --> 00:53:03.719
out, do I want to mention it? I think I will.

00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.420
You can always edit it out if you don't. Yeah,

00:53:07.420 --> 00:53:09.940
that's true. I can, but I think I want this in

00:53:09.940 --> 00:53:13.179
there. There is a very entertaining page on Facebook

00:53:13.179 --> 00:53:18.119
called Point Fighter. And in there, you've seen

00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.699
this. You're laughing. You know what I'm talking

00:53:20.699 --> 00:53:24.559
about. I question whether the proprietor of this

00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:29.039
page is, I hate to say it this way, is helping

00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:33.099
the mentally handicapped to get some exercise

00:53:33.099 --> 00:53:36.739
and try to learn some skills or whether his practitioners,

00:53:37.099 --> 00:53:41.000
his students are actually serious. And if they're

00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.860
serious. I have two theories. If they're serious.

00:53:44.510 --> 00:53:48.570
then he's giving them false confidence yeah a

00:53:48.570 --> 00:53:51.030
it's not his pay he doesn't train those people

00:53:51.030 --> 00:53:54.190
he collects the footage um so he'll collect point

00:53:54.190 --> 00:53:56.369
fighting live from all around the world now point

00:53:56.369 --> 00:53:59.070
fighting in the martial arts world isn't widely

00:53:59.070 --> 00:54:01.550
thought of i've done it and i've taught it and

00:54:01.550 --> 00:54:05.550
it's fun it's a really good way to get kids exposure

00:54:05.550 --> 00:54:08.679
to adrenaline early on because it's a competitive

00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.780
framework. And there are some, I mean, there

00:54:10.780 --> 00:54:12.480
are some old school fighters back in the day.

00:54:12.539 --> 00:54:14.920
There's a gentleman in England called Alfie Lewis,

00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:18.260
who's a tremendous influence and inspiration

00:54:18.260 --> 00:54:20.880
on me. Not someone I actually trained under,

00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:23.099
but the way he moves, the way he is. And that

00:54:23.099 --> 00:54:25.780
guy was hardcore. He was a point fighter, but

00:54:25.780 --> 00:54:28.760
he would wreck you. He would absolutely destroy

00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:33.900
you. It's now almost a game of tag with gear

00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:36.780
on. but it becomes a form of an introduction

00:54:36.780 --> 00:54:39.579
to the wider martial arts community. It's a safe

00:54:39.579 --> 00:54:42.099
way to introduce an element of chaos into your

00:54:42.099 --> 00:54:46.019
training. If you're swimming or learning to swim,

00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:48.480
at some point you have to jump in the water.

00:54:49.179 --> 00:54:51.920
If you're training for a protective environment

00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.000
or a self -defense environment, at some point

00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.800
you have to put a chaos drill or a non -compliance

00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:59.760
piece in there. One of the reasons that you hear

00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.480
a lot of this in martial arts, it's kind of related

00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:05.780
to the idea of the gun stuff. I don't train for

00:55:05.780 --> 00:55:09.900
sport, I train for the street. Well, the people

00:55:09.900 --> 00:55:12.039
that make the biggest distinction between street

00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:16.000
and sport are normally the worst at both. If

00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.119
I train for a sport, especially if it's a full

00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:20.099
contact one like boxing or wrestling or jiu -jitsu

00:55:20.099 --> 00:55:23.059
or Muay Thai or something like that, I'm training

00:55:23.059 --> 00:55:26.900
to deliver my... skills to someone that doesn't

00:55:26.900 --> 00:55:30.940
want me to and is equally skilled so i've got

00:55:30.940 --> 00:55:33.400
a constant pressure test and quality control

00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:37.440
metric of what i do if i train for self -defense

00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.519
i can turn up in the class with my camo cargo

00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.400
pants and you know my tight short sleeve rash

00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:45.019
guard top and throw the hammer fist and things

00:55:45.019 --> 00:55:47.780
in there in the absence of the class that does

00:55:47.780 --> 00:55:51.280
any form of pressure testing or or you know non

00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.460
-compliant drilling i have no way of knowing

00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:55.969
that works until i have to use it And that isn't

00:55:55.969 --> 00:55:57.650
the time I want to be finding out if that works

00:55:57.650 --> 00:56:01.929
or not. When it comes to, for ourselves, as we're

00:56:01.929 --> 00:56:04.469
getting on in a little more advanced than I is.

00:56:05.170 --> 00:56:07.289
So the Point Fighter, sorry, Point Fighter, I'll

00:56:07.289 --> 00:56:09.010
finish that. Sorry, my ADHD brain was kicking

00:56:09.010 --> 00:56:10.889
in there. We've got triple F brain and I've got

00:56:10.889 --> 00:56:13.190
ADHD. Well, I'm talking, by the way, I want to

00:56:13.190 --> 00:56:15.389
be clear. I'm talking about Point Fighter Live.

00:56:15.570 --> 00:56:17.769
That's the name and they have 2 .4 million followers.

00:56:17.769 --> 00:56:19.250
I know the channel. I know the channel well.

00:56:19.349 --> 00:56:21.960
I'm not convinced it isn't a spoof channel. I'm

00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:23.840
genuinely not convinced that he doesn't just

00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:25.360
seek out the stuff that he knows he's going to

00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:29.019
get clickbait. Because I think he's either Australian

00:56:29.019 --> 00:56:32.079
or American, the guy that runs it, I think. Unfortunately

00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:36.039
for us, he's an American, and he does these things

00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:40.260
in Miami where he has people with no coordination

00:56:40.260 --> 00:56:45.139
and no skills do things like break pre -stressed

00:56:45.139 --> 00:56:48.550
boards. And they've got like the face makeup

00:56:48.550 --> 00:56:51.530
on now. And they've got all the outfits and things.

00:56:51.710 --> 00:56:53.869
And he throws a pillow at them and they have

00:56:53.869 --> 00:56:57.110
to avoid being hit by the pillow. I'm convinced

00:56:57.110 --> 00:57:00.510
this is a spoof. I cannot believe in this day

00:57:00.510 --> 00:57:03.929
and age. I mean, you know, 1993 was the paradigm

00:57:03.929 --> 00:57:06.989
shift in martial arts with the advent of UFC

00:57:06.989 --> 00:57:11.190
1. Certainly the modern martial arts scene. I

00:57:11.190 --> 00:57:13.769
can't believe in this day and age people are

00:57:13.769 --> 00:57:17.000
presenting that as... Serious. If they're presenting

00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:21.159
it as fun, great. Do it. I've got no problem

00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:24.079
with that because, again, people talk about validity

00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:29.199
or authenticity of martial arts. Any martial

00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:31.800
art is valid if it delivers what it's telling

00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:35.360
you it will deliver. Now, not every martial art

00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:38.179
is for self -defense. Some are for fitness. Some

00:57:38.179 --> 00:57:39.679
are for fun. Some are for friends. Some are for

00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:41.639
companionship. Some are literally just to get

00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:42.920
you out of the house and have a bit of a giggle.

00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:45.820
But they all then try and say, and we'll teach

00:57:45.820 --> 00:57:48.260
you how to defend yourself. That's crap. Most

00:57:48.260 --> 00:57:51.820
martial arts are not good at it. Self -protection,

00:57:51.860 --> 00:57:53.519
because I don't like the... Self -defense is

00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.119
a legal term. It's the defense against excessive

00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:58.500
use of force. I was acting in self -defense.

00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:01.380
Self -protection is a term I prefer to use because

00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:04.300
it's more dynamic. I can take action to protect

00:58:04.300 --> 00:58:06.079
myself without necessarily defending myself.

00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.679
And it sounds semantic, but it's just a little

00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:11.980
subtle mindset shift in the way we approach things.

00:58:12.819 --> 00:58:15.360
I actually, the late great Peter Constantine

00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:18.000
was actually the guy that taught me that term.

00:58:18.099 --> 00:58:19.500
He actually passed away a couple of days ago,

00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.780
actually, rest his soul. But he was who I got

00:58:22.780 --> 00:58:25.260
that from, the idea of self -protection, because

00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:29.500
it's a much more all -encompassing mindset. Now,

00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:33.280
if I'm not pretending that I'm teaching you self

00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:36.760
-defense, then it doesn't matter. Like, if you

00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:40.300
look at Kyudo, which is Japanese archery, it's

00:58:40.300 --> 00:58:43.519
a martial art. no use in self -defense whatsoever

00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.340
there are some attributes you can pull from it

00:58:45.340 --> 00:58:47.480
sure but you can pull attributes from you know

00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:49.400
football soccer hockey whatever you want to do

00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:53.539
um but if a martial art is saying we will teach

00:58:53.539 --> 00:58:56.179
you to defend yourself you have to qualify that

00:58:56.179 --> 00:58:58.579
throwing a punch in a kick isn't the same as

00:58:58.579 --> 00:59:00.460
defending yourself so when you look at self -protection

00:59:00.460 --> 00:59:03.199
and martial arts there's overlap but they're

00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:06.360
not synonymous most instructors will put on a

00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.349
pair of jeans and a t -shirt and then do a technique

00:59:09.349 --> 00:59:11.030
and say oh this is the self -defense stuff we

00:59:11.030 --> 00:59:13.530
do no that's martial arts in a pair of jeans

00:59:13.530 --> 00:59:17.650
it's not the same thing it really isn't um and

00:59:17.650 --> 00:59:20.710
this is again where the problems creep in for

00:59:20.710 --> 00:59:22.690
the non -athletic people amongst us that gets

00:59:22.690 --> 00:59:25.829
even bigger because again most people pitch martial

00:59:25.829 --> 00:59:28.449
arts and self -defense training as if you've

00:59:28.449 --> 00:59:30.050
got an elite athlete that you're training with

00:59:30.050 --> 00:59:33.070
um and for ordinary people especially the older

00:59:33.070 --> 00:59:36.309
ones that don't have an athletic background um

00:59:36.309 --> 00:59:39.289
you have to have a prioritization matrix so awareness

00:59:39.289 --> 00:59:42.250
and avoidance is your first thing be aware of

00:59:42.250 --> 00:59:43.809
what's going on avoid going places where you

00:59:43.809 --> 00:59:47.050
shouldn't be and verbal boundary settings so

00:59:47.050 --> 00:59:49.289
learning again that communication piece and how

00:59:49.289 --> 00:59:52.269
you you get that across movement and positional

00:59:52.269 --> 00:59:54.849
habits what's your routine is it predictable

00:59:54.849 --> 00:59:59.170
can you take safer routes to get places um simple

00:59:59.170 --> 01:00:02.409
gross motor empty -handed skills i have a paradigm

01:00:02.409 --> 01:00:06.260
from when i was training um on the uh paul vunak

01:00:06.260 --> 01:00:09.739
um in pfs they had something called escape to

01:00:09.739 --> 01:00:13.139
gain safety so it's what you want to do escape

01:00:13.139 --> 01:00:17.519
is eyes gain is groin two is throat and safety

01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:20.780
is shin so it's a paradigm you don't necessarily

01:00:20.780 --> 01:00:24.679
need to have 20 000 techniques you remember those

01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.059
are the targets that you hit and you can usually

01:00:27.059 --> 01:00:29.619
cobble something together in some way shape or

01:00:29.619 --> 01:00:34.210
form now i developed it way beyond the way PFS

01:00:34.210 --> 01:00:36.750
still do that. It's a simplified thing that you

01:00:36.750 --> 01:00:38.750
can remember easy under pressure. I've made it

01:00:38.750 --> 01:00:40.769
a little bit more cohesive and I've tweaked that

01:00:40.769 --> 01:00:42.889
a few times to the point where it's not even

01:00:42.889 --> 01:00:46.969
recognizable. But again, you need to have something

01:00:46.969 --> 01:00:50.949
that you can do. Then you need to do scenario

01:00:50.949 --> 01:00:55.650
-based decision -making and then integrate the

01:00:55.650 --> 01:00:59.510
tools like the firearms, like the blades. Because

01:00:59.510 --> 01:01:03.050
people tend to be gear. oriented because that's

01:01:03.050 --> 01:01:06.489
fun and i got new gear therefore you know i can

01:01:06.489 --> 01:01:09.090
show it off or i can use it and become more effective

01:01:09.090 --> 01:01:14.769
or whatever uh what type of martial arts implements

01:01:14.769 --> 01:01:17.550
would you say you mentioned discrema but people

01:01:17.550 --> 01:01:19.110
are generally going to walk around with a 24

01:01:19.110 --> 01:01:23.269
inch stick um do you think that you know people

01:01:23.269 --> 01:01:26.429
should consider to maybe augment their meager

01:01:26.429 --> 01:01:31.619
or that was a mean thing to say Because I'm not

01:01:31.619 --> 01:01:34.960
good either at this, but... They're less substantial

01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.579
skill set? They're underdeveloped skill set.

01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:41.059
Let's put it as underdeveloped skill set that

01:01:41.059 --> 01:01:43.619
would be either, you know, hey, this is a really

01:01:43.619 --> 01:01:46.039
good idea. Kubiton may be an example of that.

01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:48.380
Or maybe there's ideas out there that, you know

01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:51.539
what, this is just Hollywood and this is a really

01:01:51.539 --> 01:01:53.659
bad idea, like walking around with a shuriken

01:01:53.659 --> 01:01:56.199
or something like that, where, you know, it really

01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:58.960
is like, really don't do that. Are there things

01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.159
that fit either of those recommended categories

01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:06.840
or please don't do this categories? My simple

01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:10.860
guide is I'm very wary of anything which people

01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:16.880
buy as a shortcut to judgment. Any tool has got

01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:19.500
the inherent risk of encouraging overconfidence.

01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:25.099
Wow, that was really good. It's hard to deploy

01:02:25.099 --> 01:02:28.579
in distress. There's legal ambiguity. it can

01:02:28.579 --> 01:02:30.340
become a liability depending on the jurisdictions

01:02:30.340 --> 01:02:34.219
that you're in and likewise any training that

01:02:34.219 --> 01:02:36.699
a lot of these tools will use is built on cooperation

01:02:36.699 --> 01:02:41.000
fantasy timing or an assumption that you'll see

01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:44.960
trouble coming so most products tend to work

01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:46.780
better in the marketing video than they do in

01:02:46.780 --> 01:02:50.239
sudden ugly and close range problems i so i'm

01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.239
a little skeptical sometimes the other thing

01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.780
is as well if you take a kubatan and there we

01:02:55.780 --> 01:02:59.860
go I've actually got one on my desk. So take

01:02:59.860 --> 01:03:02.440
a coup of time here. You don't want to know what

01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:07.119
else I've got on my desk, I tell you. The problem

01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.599
is I can give this to anyone and I can sort of

01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:13.559
do that. So this on its own does nothing. I still

01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:16.420
have to put the time and training with that for

01:03:16.420 --> 01:03:19.099
that to be effective. I have to practice being

01:03:19.099 --> 01:03:21.900
able to get it out. They used to do that. I never

01:03:21.900 --> 01:03:23.000
liked this one. You know, you should say, put

01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:26.079
your key between your knuckles. Yeah. Good way

01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:27.619
to break your knuckles. I was going to say, that

01:03:27.619 --> 01:03:30.380
looks like a trip to the hospital. It is, but

01:03:30.380 --> 01:03:32.300
it's still taught. Put your car keys in there.

01:03:32.820 --> 01:03:38.659
So, with any option, the option itself does nothing.

01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:41.579
Hey, another good example. I've got a little

01:03:41.579 --> 01:03:45.900
skin to hit. Is this inherently dangerous? The

01:03:45.900 --> 01:03:47.579
audio show, tell people what you're holding.

01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:51.219
A skin do. Sorry, it's a knife. It's basically

01:03:51.219 --> 01:03:56.719
the ankle knife. A three and a half inch blade.

01:03:57.340 --> 01:04:01.380
Yeah, it's a fixed blade. Very thin. It is sharp.

01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:04.239
Designed to sit in the ankle and come out like

01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:08.559
so. On its own, I'm going to put it on my desk.

01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:13.019
It's not doing much, is it? It's useless on its

01:04:13.019 --> 01:04:17.159
own. I have to do something with it. So when

01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:22.590
we look at something like a knife or a gun. They're

01:04:22.590 --> 01:04:25.849
a little easier to use to get an effect, but

01:04:25.849 --> 01:04:28.030
it's still my ability to use it that's going

01:04:28.030 --> 01:04:32.329
to count. Like you can buy a gun. If I can't

01:04:32.329 --> 01:04:35.130
put a shot on target, it's useless. If I can't

01:04:35.130 --> 01:04:37.150
draw it under pressure, it's useless. If I can't,

01:04:37.150 --> 01:04:39.190
you know, clear a stoppage or whatever it is,

01:04:39.210 --> 01:04:44.230
it's useless. And most of these force qualifiers

01:04:44.230 --> 01:04:48.550
or amplifiers that they call them, I'd much rather

01:04:48.550 --> 01:04:51.300
spend the time you spend. trying to use that,

01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:52.800
you're better off just learning to throw a Dixon

01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:56.340
punch because it'll serve you just as well. A

01:04:56.340 --> 01:04:59.820
lot of them also, again, depending on the jurisdiction,

01:05:00.179 --> 01:05:03.460
you carry anything in Canada for self -defense,

01:05:03.780 --> 01:05:06.860
it's instantly illegal. Because of the intent,

01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:10.380
because of the purpose. Yes, correction. Yeah,

01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.320
correct rather. So what you do is you correct

01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.980
that and you say, well, I carry this for, I've

01:05:15.980 --> 01:05:20.159
got this wonderful ASP flashlight. um it's very

01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:23.280
nice um but it's a flashlight but i can give

01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.159
you a good clatter with it but the primary purpose

01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:27.800
is not to clatter you it's a flashlight so i

01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.619
can carry a flashlight i can carry anything i

01:05:30.619 --> 01:05:32.360
can carry a knife as long as i've got a purpose

01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:34.440
for the knife outside of defending myself with

01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.699
it but even their context is king carrying a

01:05:37.699 --> 01:05:40.219
knife that I say for box cutting or for operational

01:05:40.219 --> 01:05:43.039
or at work is one thing. If I'm at a nightclub

01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:44.860
at 3 o 'clock in the morning and I've got a cookery

01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:46.460
strapped to my lower back, I'm going to run out

01:05:46.460 --> 01:05:48.420
of reasons as to why I'm carrying that because,

01:05:48.500 --> 01:05:51.039
again, the purpose is always context decided

01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:56.840
to. Well, do simple implements or things that

01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:58.619
are impromptu? I mean, you mentioned pepper spray.

01:05:58.739 --> 01:06:00.719
I mean, pepper spray is deliberate, legal in

01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:05.099
some places, not legal in others, but is, you

01:06:05.099 --> 01:06:08.489
know, the glass on the bar. or things like that.

01:06:08.849 --> 01:06:10.570
I mean, I'm not saying you're going to train

01:06:10.570 --> 01:06:13.829
to break a bottle over someone's head, but are

01:06:13.829 --> 01:06:16.469
sometimes those the most convenient or useful?

01:06:17.349 --> 01:06:19.869
Expedient. They can be, but most people shred

01:06:19.869 --> 01:06:23.670
their own hands. Well, I'm using the bottle as

01:06:23.670 --> 01:06:25.409
the first thing that came to my mind. I'm with

01:06:25.409 --> 01:06:28.170
you. We call those weapons of opportunity. Yes.

01:06:29.170 --> 01:06:30.789
You're better off picking up a bar stool and

01:06:30.789 --> 01:06:32.869
just holding that in front of you. Yeah. Use

01:06:32.869 --> 01:06:34.449
it to create distance. See, that's the other

01:06:34.449 --> 01:06:37.769
thing as well. You want to... buy yourself time

01:06:37.769 --> 01:06:39.110
as much as anything else. And that's giving you

01:06:39.110 --> 01:06:41.070
the pause to weigh the guy up. It's a really

01:06:41.070 --> 01:06:42.929
weird little idiosyncrasy. If you actually stick

01:06:42.929 --> 01:06:44.969
a barstool out the legs towards someone, they'll

01:06:44.969 --> 01:06:47.710
always grab the barstool. It's not going to do

01:06:47.710 --> 01:06:50.150
anything. But there's this psychological barrier.

01:06:50.349 --> 01:06:52.110
It's just making it difficult to get around.

01:06:53.730 --> 01:06:55.769
Believe it or not, something like I'm holding

01:06:55.769 --> 01:06:57.610
up a pencil right now. If you've got a sharpened

01:06:57.610 --> 01:07:01.010
pencil, I can think of a million reasons why

01:07:01.010 --> 01:07:04.010
you would carry a pencil. I can also think of

01:07:04.010 --> 01:07:06.210
some very soft, squishy areas that you can stick

01:07:06.210 --> 01:07:08.210
the damn thing into, and I don't have to justify

01:07:08.210 --> 01:07:11.570
any reason to carry a pencil. When I've had relatives

01:07:11.570 --> 01:07:15.050
traveling, I have said, carry a mechanical pencil

01:07:15.050 --> 01:07:18.949
with you, a mechanical pencil, a Pentel P205

01:07:18.949 --> 01:07:22.570
or P207 mechanical pencil. You can use it for

01:07:22.570 --> 01:07:24.710
a thousand things, writing yourself notes, have

01:07:24.710 --> 01:07:26.730
it clipped to your shirt or your shirt pocket,

01:07:26.869 --> 01:07:31.250
because it can be a wildly, you know... useful

01:07:31.250 --> 01:07:35.349
tool if you're getting attacked so 100 but they

01:07:35.349 --> 01:07:38.769
again you have to train with that yeah and the

01:07:38.769 --> 01:07:41.829
training that people should consider is the stuff

01:07:41.829 --> 01:07:47.849
that is for their body type age mobility issues

01:07:47.849 --> 01:07:51.329
things like that are most effective or practical

01:07:51.329 --> 01:07:56.690
and at the same time should give them those other

01:07:56.690 --> 01:07:59.710
lower runs on the ladder of the escalation of

01:07:59.710 --> 01:08:03.070
force In addition to the pepper spray or the

01:08:03.070 --> 01:08:06.110
firearm. But how does someone choose? I mean,

01:08:06.150 --> 01:08:08.650
you know, some of us are not going to ever learn

01:08:08.650 --> 01:08:11.150
jujitsu. They're not going to learn anything

01:08:11.150 --> 01:08:13.449
other. If they learn a martial art, it's probably

01:08:13.449 --> 01:08:15.489
going to be striking based and not control based.

01:08:15.710 --> 01:08:20.590
At my age, it's maybe Tai Chi. Do not underestimate

01:08:20.590 --> 01:08:26.329
Tai Chi. My instructor is a Sifu Singh. Sifu

01:08:26.329 --> 01:08:28.550
Harinda Singh is actually a Tai Chi. He's a Chan

01:08:28.550 --> 01:08:32.479
Tai Chi master as well. His other arts, since

01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:37.899
he's been doing Tai Chi, are up here. It's lifted

01:08:37.899 --> 01:08:41.199
his game way beyond what he was doing with purely

01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.420
the physical stuff. Tai Chi used to be a badass

01:08:43.420 --> 01:08:45.460
art, and it still is if you find the right teachers.

01:08:45.699 --> 01:08:47.720
But it takes a long, long time to get it to that

01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:51.340
level. It's not an instant fix. Rather than think

01:08:51.340 --> 01:08:55.600
of arts, think of gaps in your game. You don't

01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:58.579
need to go and do jiu -jitsu six times a week

01:08:58.579 --> 01:09:00.619
with the young pups. That's probably not a good

01:09:00.619 --> 01:09:03.619
idea. But I suggest you do at least some time,

01:09:03.699 --> 01:09:06.760
even if it's a few privates, with a good jiu

01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:09.000
-jitsu coach just to give you an understanding

01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:12.659
of what it's like to be on the ground. Because

01:09:12.659 --> 01:09:16.560
you will always lose where you don't know. A

01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:20.020
shark in the desert is knackered. It can't do

01:09:20.020 --> 01:09:23.340
much. And a lion in the ocean will drown. you

01:09:23.340 --> 01:09:26.439
need to at least have an awareness or to be able

01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:29.159
to speak a little bit the language of where you're

01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:31.640
going if the only thing you'd go with that jiu

01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:34.479
jitsu guy for is to say i need to find the quickest

01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:38.279
way to get back to my feet who gets up quicker

01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:40.699
off the floor than a jiu jitsu guy not many maybe

01:09:40.699 --> 01:09:42.199
a wrestler and a scramble but then you're looking

01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:45.520
at massive athletic endeavors and i speak out

01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:49.439
as a catch wrestler um so spend time there even

01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:52.300
if you don't want to if nothing else Find the

01:09:52.300 --> 01:09:54.859
cause of your own ignorance. Then look at what

01:09:54.859 --> 01:09:57.539
can I do to strike? One of my private clients

01:09:57.539 --> 01:10:00.739
is Canadian, but he's got CCW permits and things.

01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:02.880
So I spend a lot of time doing blade and firearm

01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:05.960
integration with him. He can't punch because

01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:09.439
he's got arthritic wrists. So I teach him strikes.

01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:11.220
There's some open -handed stuff and just some

01:10:11.220 --> 01:10:13.399
distracting eye shots and things like that as

01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:19.109
well. You don't need to win a fight. It's not

01:10:19.109 --> 01:10:21.609
an MMA match. It's not a boxing match. You just

01:10:21.609 --> 01:10:24.270
need to not lose it. You look to survive. You

01:10:24.270 --> 01:10:28.189
look to enjoy. You look to go home. So when you

01:10:28.189 --> 01:10:30.689
look at, and a strange thing as well, when you

01:10:30.689 --> 01:10:32.949
look at self -defense, most people always assume

01:10:32.949 --> 01:10:34.510
it's the strangest situations that we're talking

01:10:34.510 --> 01:10:36.770
about here. And they're certainly the extreme

01:10:36.770 --> 01:10:39.750
end of the scale. And most of the time they want

01:10:39.750 --> 01:10:43.050
a victim, not an opponent. So if you've got even

01:10:43.050 --> 01:10:45.050
a stab of ability in you that you can just make

01:10:45.050 --> 01:10:47.390
life difficult for them, Sometimes you just need

01:10:47.390 --> 01:10:49.369
to have enough to get your distance in there.

01:10:49.449 --> 01:10:52.050
But most violence and most offensive situations

01:10:52.050 --> 01:10:54.409
are most places that you find yourself will be

01:10:54.409 --> 01:10:57.449
someone that you know. Wow. Never thought about

01:10:57.449 --> 01:11:00.890
that. It is. But we prepare for the ninjas behind

01:11:00.890 --> 01:11:03.529
the bus stops. We don't prepare for the, you

01:11:03.529 --> 01:11:06.250
know, the family member or the friend or the

01:11:06.250 --> 01:11:09.550
office worker or the people that we're not thinking

01:11:09.550 --> 01:11:11.909
about. And that's where most confrontations are.

01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.000
And that brings a whole new dynamic because maybe

01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.899
now what you're willing to go to is a completely

01:11:17.899 --> 01:11:21.140
different set of circumstances. That brings up,

01:11:21.140 --> 01:11:23.899
there was one other question here that had dovetailed

01:11:23.899 --> 01:11:26.279
into that perfectly. You had a recent video where

01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:29.720
there was a perspective that you had on the,

01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:33.000
is it worth it? And I think that that last part

01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.899
really dovetails into that nicely because you

01:11:35.899 --> 01:11:39.420
have to maybe think about, you know, the... The

01:11:39.420 --> 01:11:40.979
consequences. I mean, there was another video

01:11:40.979 --> 01:11:43.520
I was watching where someone used a weapon of

01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:46.340
maybe it was at hand, although I don't really

01:11:46.340 --> 01:11:47.880
understand why the guy's walking around with

01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:50.060
a road flare and used a road flare to light his

01:11:50.060 --> 01:11:52.439
opponent on fire. That was in Calgary. That was

01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:55.159
a bit messed up. And I suppose that was a weapon

01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:58.739
of opportunity. But the whole is it worth it

01:11:58.739 --> 01:12:00.880
thing, when you bring in the perspective of you're

01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:02.359
going to get in confrontation with people you

01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:04.859
know. They all knew each other. They've been

01:12:04.859 --> 01:12:07.260
friends and known each other a long time. Most

01:12:07.260 --> 01:12:09.579
of the people involved in that. And it was over

01:12:09.579 --> 01:12:12.140
a perceived slight or a short change or whatever.

01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:14.619
The fight started. They were attacking the guy.

01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:16.739
They went en masse to do it. And so he's like,

01:12:16.859 --> 01:12:22.000
okay. Shot his flare gun, which you can buy in,

01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:25.500
you know, a local sporting goods store, Canadian

01:12:25.500 --> 01:12:27.640
Tire or Walmart. You can get them in the sporting

01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:31.529
sections. It's not going to be good for you,

01:12:31.609 --> 01:12:33.590
but it's not immediately lethal, so it'd probably

01:12:33.590 --> 01:12:36.409
fall under the less lethal category. But it's

01:12:36.409 --> 01:12:38.750
accessible, and it did what it needed to do.

01:12:38.810 --> 01:12:41.890
It got the people off him. Now, did he have a

01:12:41.890 --> 01:12:43.989
reason for carrying a flare gun? No. So he's

01:12:43.989 --> 01:12:45.390
instantly going to have problems with that. But

01:12:45.390 --> 01:12:50.689
it was that is -it -worth -it principle. I started

01:12:50.689 --> 01:12:53.130
calling it the Jurassic Park principle, which

01:12:53.130 --> 01:12:57.439
is Jeff Goldblum's line, you were so busy. wondering

01:12:57.439 --> 01:12:59.539
if you could, you never stop to think if you

01:12:59.539 --> 01:13:03.760
should. And if you can just keep that decision

01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:07.600
point in you, just because I can, do I actually

01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:10.380
need to? The video that I'm finding very divisive

01:13:10.380 --> 01:13:13.000
of mine is there's the man with the young kid

01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:18.260
that's just being bratty and hitting him and

01:13:18.260 --> 01:13:20.020
just, and in the end the man shoves him and the

01:13:20.020 --> 01:13:22.100
kid was skittling and hits the concrete and starts

01:13:22.100 --> 01:13:24.779
like wailing. Now from a Schadenfreude perspective,

01:13:26.300 --> 01:13:28.960
It's a fantastic video to watch because you're

01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:31.979
like, yeah, he got it, got what he deserved.

01:13:33.180 --> 01:13:36.060
Did he though? Because it's a kid at the end

01:13:36.060 --> 01:13:37.699
of the day. You could shed your job on someone.

01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:40.920
Just shut the door and walk in. But we always

01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:44.319
have this sense of outrage and justice, which

01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:47.619
tends to kick in. And that's when we find that

01:13:47.619 --> 01:13:50.539
we can, we find ourselves acting out of emotion

01:13:50.539 --> 01:13:53.699
and coming from positions of wanting to be right.

01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:56.260
rather than actually being right and seeing what's

01:13:56.260 --> 01:13:58.600
going on. Yeah. It's a lot of time to think about

01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:01.159
being wrong, I suppose, on the other end of that.

01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:05.359
So anything else you want to drop on us? You

01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:08.539
know, any funny, you know, closer stories type

01:14:08.539 --> 01:14:11.979
of thing, or also I do want you to, you know,

01:14:11.979 --> 01:14:13.760
once again, kind of go through what your presence

01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:15.840
is, even though you've already said it once,

01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:17.939
but you know, how do people find you? How do

01:14:17.939 --> 01:14:19.579
they find your material? How do you subscribe

01:14:19.579 --> 01:14:22.979
for those so inclined? I mean, We could have

01:14:22.979 --> 01:14:24.699
a nine hour show and you wouldn't go through

01:14:24.699 --> 01:14:28.039
all your stories. I'm sure of that. No, definitely

01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:30.460
not. I actually I did write a book called The

01:14:30.460 --> 01:14:33.520
Houndstail, which is available on Amazon. Stories

01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:36.060
of the journey from victim to teacher. And that's

01:14:36.060 --> 01:14:39.159
got some some good anecdotes in there. Some are

01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:42.319
serious. Some are actually funny, you know, things

01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.140
I've done right. A lot of the things I did very

01:14:44.140 --> 01:14:46.680
wrong and the lessons I learned along the way

01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:49.100
from doing that. So the hard copies aren't available

01:14:49.100 --> 01:14:51.520
yet. It's only an e -book format. But the hard

01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:53.020
copies should hopefully be out within the next

01:14:53.020 --> 01:14:56.239
two to three months. I'm available on Instagram

01:14:56.239 --> 01:15:00.159
at Reality Check Jay. Reality Check with Jay

01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:03.699
Cooper is my YouTube channel. And Reality Check

01:15:03.699 --> 01:15:08.430
Academy is my Facebook page. um if anyone is

01:15:08.430 --> 01:15:10.569
interested in you know talking further you can

01:15:10.569 --> 01:15:14.369
reach me at um realitycheckacademy .com as well

01:15:14.369 --> 01:15:16.869
as the website that's at the moment it's being

01:15:16.869 --> 01:15:19.909
reconstructed but there is a contact form if

01:15:19.909 --> 01:15:21.630
anyone wants to get a hold of me on that as well

01:15:21.630 --> 01:15:23.930
but if you just type reality check with jay cooper

01:15:23.930 --> 01:15:28.409
most of my stuff just pops up there um and the

01:15:28.409 --> 01:15:32.489
budo brothers um bless their hearts they uh they

01:15:32.489 --> 01:15:34.470
got their digital seminar platform and they sell

01:15:34.470 --> 01:15:37.539
my stuff through them And they're good guys.

01:15:37.779 --> 01:15:40.260
Their production content is second to none. They're

01:15:40.260 --> 01:15:43.020
really good video producers. So it's nice to

01:15:43.020 --> 01:15:45.720
be working with them. Okay. Any other funny story

01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:49.960
for us before we close out today? Oh, my word.

01:15:50.140 --> 01:15:52.640
I mean, I know you've got a thousand. Yeah. Which

01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:55.800
one are you going to give us? That's the thing.

01:15:56.779 --> 01:15:59.359
Give me something to fish with. So, you know,

01:15:59.380 --> 01:16:00.760
throw some bait in the water and I'll see what

01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:02.619
bites. Okay. It's a frugal firearms podcast.

01:16:02.739 --> 01:16:05.289
So someone screwed up with a gun. Got any of

01:16:05.289 --> 01:16:11.590
that? Um, or, or, or it's the frugal part. Let's,

01:16:11.590 --> 01:16:13.729
let's lean on that. Someone spent a whole lot

01:16:13.729 --> 01:16:15.430
of money on something that was completely ineffective

01:16:15.430 --> 01:16:17.289
and they ended up with their butt. Oh, I got

01:16:17.289 --> 01:16:19.909
a good one for that. Yeah. Yep. Boom. So it's

01:16:19.909 --> 01:16:22.170
not necessarily found related, but when I was

01:16:22.170 --> 01:16:25.409
working, I always like this story. This actually

01:16:25.409 --> 01:16:28.350
speaks to criminal mindsets. And it actually

01:16:28.350 --> 01:16:30.270
does tie in because it speaks to that overconfidence

01:16:30.270 --> 01:16:32.930
piece. And we look at the tool and we look at

01:16:32.930 --> 01:16:34.489
the weapon and we're like, I've got this, therefore

01:16:34.489 --> 01:16:37.869
I'm good. So in one of the neighborhoods I worked

01:16:37.869 --> 01:16:41.329
in Manchester, which is an urban place in England,

01:16:41.390 --> 01:16:43.369
it's got some good areas and some not so good

01:16:43.369 --> 01:16:49.890
areas. We had a spate of burglaries on patio

01:16:49.890 --> 01:16:52.289
doors, you know, like the sliding glass doors.

01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:56.600
what the little scamps were doing was they were

01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:01.260
putting a crowbar on the rails levering the door

01:17:01.260 --> 01:17:04.239
up and then just wheeling it off and then just

01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:06.939
going in the houses and it was a very very common

01:17:06.939 --> 01:17:10.979
mo so one of the guys he when we were doing neighborhood

01:17:10.979 --> 01:17:13.539
inquiries he was like yeah i'll show you what

01:17:13.539 --> 01:17:15.699
i've got with mine and he said so you got my

01:17:15.699 --> 01:17:17.899
rail down here you look at that it's insulated

01:17:17.899 --> 01:17:20.180
so you can't get a crowbar and it's tailed over

01:17:20.180 --> 01:17:22.920
and i've got the hinges locked in there triple

01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:25.840
stack locked on the inside of that so i've got

01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:29.840
and he spent about an extra 2 000 pounds plus

01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:32.539
on these like all singing all dancing so he's

01:17:32.539 --> 01:17:35.260
like really going to town on these extra securities

01:17:35.260 --> 01:17:37.260
patio doors so he's like you know you're not

01:17:37.260 --> 01:17:39.359
you can't get them off you know so i'm going

01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:42.310
to stop them getting in Literally a week later,

01:17:42.369 --> 01:17:44.750
we got called to a burger at his house. They'd

01:17:44.750 --> 01:17:47.489
hoisted a breeze block through the glass. Oops.

01:17:48.350 --> 01:17:53.550
So he spent all this money on all these, like,

01:17:53.550 --> 01:17:55.210
things to stop them doing what they were doing.

01:17:55.689 --> 01:17:57.850
And they were just, okay, I'll do it anyway.

01:17:58.289 --> 01:18:00.310
He just, like, breeze blocked it and just went

01:18:00.310 --> 01:18:03.649
in quick and scattered out quick. So his complacency

01:18:03.649 --> 01:18:08.670
came in by, you know, the gear, the stuff that

01:18:08.670 --> 01:18:11.250
he'd done. He thought he was good to go. No,

01:18:11.390 --> 01:18:15.310
it's a lot more than that. And I use the phrase

01:18:15.310 --> 01:18:17.210
target hardening. You're never going to make

01:18:17.210 --> 01:18:21.369
yourself unattackable, unbeatable, unkillable,

01:18:21.449 --> 01:18:24.590
unhurtable or whatever. What you need to do is

01:18:24.590 --> 01:18:27.050
make yourself a harder target. So make someone

01:18:27.050 --> 01:18:30.689
else or something else an easier proposition.

01:18:32.909 --> 01:18:36.590
Self -protection and the awareness piece starts

01:18:36.590 --> 01:18:40.569
with us, first and foremost. Sun Tzu. If you

01:18:40.569 --> 01:18:43.689
know yourself and know your enemy, you'll never

01:18:43.689 --> 01:18:46.010
be defeated. If you know yourself but do not

01:18:46.010 --> 01:18:48.590
know your enemy, you'll have 50 -50. If you neither

01:18:48.590 --> 01:18:50.590
know yourself nor your enemy, you'll never taste

01:18:50.590 --> 01:18:54.170
victory. And the only thing I have control over

01:18:54.170 --> 01:18:56.390
in any given situation ultimately is myself.

01:18:56.609 --> 01:18:59.289
So that's one of the joys of martial arts training

01:18:59.289 --> 01:19:04.970
and preparedness. Prepared, not paranoid is the

01:19:04.970 --> 01:19:07.289
watchword with it, but it gives you a much better

01:19:07.289 --> 01:19:10.359
understanding of who you are. Jiu -Jitsu, if

01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:11.819
you've never done it, will give you an understanding

01:19:11.819 --> 01:19:14.180
of your panic reactions and your response on

01:19:14.180 --> 01:19:16.300
the floor. If you've never been in a ring with

01:19:16.300 --> 01:19:18.220
someone throwing punches at you, not necessarily

01:19:18.220 --> 01:19:21.460
to hurt you badly, but certainly not to actually

01:19:21.460 --> 01:19:23.399
land them on your face, get in there and do it.

01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:25.600
It'll give you a good understanding of who you

01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:28.800
are. We need to find ways to expose ourselves

01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:31.600
to uncomfortable situations because adrenaline

01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:34.050
is adrenaline and stress is stress. It's how

01:19:34.050 --> 01:19:36.329
we respond to that stress that dictates the success

01:19:36.329 --> 01:19:39.210
or failures in a given situation. So the more

01:19:39.210 --> 01:19:41.250
we can expose ourselves to that, the better it

01:19:41.250 --> 01:19:44.409
is. Excellent. That's a lot of wisdom right there

01:19:44.409 --> 01:19:48.869
in that show. Yeah, that was great. So I want

01:19:48.869 --> 01:19:50.630
to thank you, Jay, for coming on. It's been a

01:19:50.630 --> 01:19:52.789
pleasure. It was fun, actually. I got shot by

01:19:52.789 --> 01:19:55.539
as well. whenever I look at the clock about how

01:19:55.539 --> 01:19:57.539
far in we are, it's like, man, we've been talking

01:19:57.539 --> 01:19:59.520
for a while, but the content is so good. It does

01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:01.960
seem to fly by really quickly. And the growth

01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:04.399
in the audience is kind of demonstrating that

01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:07.699
I guess the people who aren't even participating,

01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:09.520
they're just listening and there's, and there's

01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.279
more and more of them all the time. So, but again,

01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:14.579
thanks very much, Jay. No, it's been a privilege.

01:20:15.260 --> 01:20:17.439
Well, today we had an opportunity to talk to

01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:19.819
Jay. Jay gave us a very interesting perspective

01:20:19.819 --> 01:20:23.899
on martial arts. And he's got a wonderful channel

01:20:23.899 --> 01:20:25.880
there on YouTube. I'd encourage everyone to take

01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:29.899
a look at. And I think we had one of our best

01:20:29.899 --> 01:20:31.560
shows we've had so far. Craig, what do you think?

01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:34.939
I mean, it brought a different perspective that

01:20:34.939 --> 01:20:38.300
we really haven't brought to the table yet. Because,

01:20:38.300 --> 01:20:40.439
I mean, this is, okay, the Frugal Firearms podcast.

01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:45.420
And this wasn't a very firearms. centric show

01:20:45.420 --> 01:20:49.119
but it also brought to light maybe some of the

01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:53.479
weaknesses that you know you and i share these

01:20:53.479 --> 01:20:55.659
weaknesses can i'm not just you know dumping

01:20:55.659 --> 01:20:57.760
on the audience here and saying that you know

01:20:57.760 --> 01:20:59.979
they're weak and we're not all of us i think

01:20:59.979 --> 01:21:02.359
haven't really thought about the totality of

01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:06.060
the self -protection construct and you know the

01:21:06.060 --> 01:21:09.739
one that really worried me the most was if something

01:21:09.739 --> 01:21:12.479
happens so fast and i can't get that gun into

01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:15.000
play I mean, the game could be over before I

01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:17.319
ever have a chance. Oh, yeah. And that happens

01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:19.079
in the real world. I mean, you'd say, well, I

01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:21.220
got this really great holster and stuff like

01:21:21.220 --> 01:21:23.220
that. It might not matter. If they got the drop

01:21:23.220 --> 01:21:29.420
on you, the element of surprise is probably the

01:21:29.420 --> 01:21:32.340
single greatest thing that can happen. But, you

01:21:32.340 --> 01:21:36.149
know, again. If you do everything before that

01:21:36.149 --> 01:21:39.270
where you don't go to dangerous areas, you watch

01:21:39.270 --> 01:21:42.750
and maintain a high readiness and looking around

01:21:42.750 --> 01:21:45.329
what's going on and so forth. And that should

01:21:45.329 --> 01:21:47.829
be normal. That should be normal. Right. And

01:21:47.829 --> 01:21:51.090
you should go through life uneventfully in this

01:21:51.090 --> 01:21:53.510
regard. Yeah. And that's what we're after. And

01:21:53.510 --> 01:21:55.970
if things get dicey, walk away if you can. Walk

01:21:55.970 --> 01:21:59.199
away. Or run away if you must. Or run away. Yeah.

01:21:59.220 --> 01:22:02.760
But I mean, I understand that his point about

01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:05.159
you can't always protect yourself from every

01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:08.359
threat. But you're right that that situational

01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:10.960
awareness keeps you out of most of those threats.

01:22:11.020 --> 01:22:14.140
And if you know, I think a lot of people have

01:22:14.140 --> 01:22:16.960
gone to appendix carry because, you know, there

01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.079
are ways to get to the gun a little quicker and

01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:22.859
maybe in ways that a three o 'clock or four o

01:22:22.859 --> 01:22:26.000
'clock carry doesn't do for you. It's not as

01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:30.260
simple as that. That's too easy an answer. And

01:22:30.260 --> 01:22:33.539
I'm kind of opposed to it. Also, appendix carry

01:22:33.539 --> 01:22:35.659
does not work particularly well for people who

01:22:35.659 --> 01:22:37.840
are a little bit rounder, who have a bit of a

01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:40.600
muffin top, as they say. True that. True that.

01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:42.500
It works for some people and not for others.

01:22:42.619 --> 01:22:44.619
Not for others. So, hey, what do we have coming

01:22:44.619 --> 01:22:47.020
up? Okay, getting back to product -related shows,

01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:51.079
we have some very interesting ammunition that

01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:53.340
we're going to be testing with Clear Ballistics

01:22:53.340 --> 01:22:57.210
Gel. I think it's going to be very eye -opening.

01:22:57.289 --> 01:22:59.130
We're going to have the CEO of that company on.

01:22:59.430 --> 01:23:03.729
We have two different types of targets. One of

01:23:03.729 --> 01:23:07.090
them is one that is supposed to basically last

01:23:07.090 --> 01:23:10.050
you forever because it self -repairs. We have

01:23:10.050 --> 01:23:12.810
another show coming up, at least probably actually

01:23:12.810 --> 01:23:15.130
several shows on suppressors. You know, I saw

01:23:15.130 --> 01:23:17.170
an interesting statistic on suppressors the other

01:23:17.170 --> 01:23:23.140
day. Between 1968 and 2024, I think. The number

01:23:23.140 --> 01:23:25.779
of Form 4s that were filled out, in other words,

01:23:25.779 --> 01:23:28.380
people buying a suppressor, was like 3 million.

01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:34.000
In the last three months, it's been about 1 .5

01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:37.479
million. Absolutely. There's a $0 tax stamp on

01:23:37.479 --> 01:23:40.439
it. I would encourage anybody in a state that

01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:42.819
allows you to own a suppressor, which to me is

01:23:42.819 --> 01:23:45.479
safety. 42 of them. 42, which is to me, safety

01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:48.520
equipment. Yeah. Go out and your next purchase

01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:51.119
should not be a firearm. Your next purchase should

01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:53.460
be a suppressor. Right. And so we're going to

01:23:53.460 --> 01:23:54.739
have a couple of shows on that. They're going

01:23:54.739 --> 01:23:55.819
to be different. They're not just going to be

01:23:55.819 --> 01:23:58.399
the same show repeated. It's going to be different

01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:00.479
price points of different companies. And then

01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:03.060
one of them is going to be a person who sits

01:24:03.060 --> 01:24:05.939
on the American Suppressor Association board,

01:24:06.180 --> 01:24:09.020
who's going to talk about. that. There's going

01:24:09.020 --> 01:24:11.420
to be an upcoming show from, hopefully, I think

01:24:11.420 --> 01:24:14.399
I got this dialed in, from kniferights .org,

01:24:14.500 --> 01:24:18.119
which is out there fighting for the underappreciated

01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:22.100
truth that, you know, people think about 2A and

01:24:22.100 --> 01:24:24.479
they think about only in the gun context. You

01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:27.239
know, there's a knife context to that too, and

01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:28.960
that's been underappreciated. So we're going

01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:31.279
to talk about that as well. Oh, holsters. We

01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:33.659
were talking about that before the show. Indeed.

01:24:33.739 --> 01:24:36.000
A couple of different holster manufacturers that

01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:38.180
we're going to be featuring. Yep. But how do

01:24:38.180 --> 01:24:41.460
you get these people to show up? You guys, in

01:24:41.460 --> 01:24:43.760
other words, all y 'all out there in the listening

01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:46.680
community need to subscribe. You need to share

01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:49.079
it. Please share because that's how we're getting

01:24:49.079 --> 01:24:51.180
our growth. You know, put down a like here and

01:24:51.180 --> 01:24:53.199
there because that's super easy for you. Very

01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:55.260
little effort, but it really helps us grow the

01:24:55.260 --> 01:24:57.739
audience. But there's one other thing, which

01:24:57.739 --> 01:24:59.819
is, you know, do your own research, guys. We

01:24:59.819 --> 01:25:02.260
talked to Jay here for quite a long discussion

01:25:02.260 --> 01:25:05.180
about. you know, the training and stuff he recommends,

01:25:05.380 --> 01:25:07.760
find out the best trainers, find out the best

01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:10.159
equipment, find all that stuff, do your homework

01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:13.000
and, and find what's right for you. Because our

01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:15.220
answer, you know, might not fit your reality,

01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:18.359
right? Indeed. Well, thank you everyone for dialing

01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:21.420
in and listening to us. And we will, we'll be

01:25:21.420 --> 01:25:24.100
back again soon with another show. Exactly. Good

01:25:24.100 --> 01:25:48.060
night, folks. I should be in Laguna Beach in

01:25:48.060 --> 01:25:51.340
July to train my teacher. Did you say to train

01:25:51.340 --> 01:25:53.859
your teacher? No, train with my teacher. Oh,

01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:55.180
I think it's to train your teacher. I do actually

01:25:55.180 --> 01:25:57.420
teach him some stuff. How does that work? No,

01:25:57.479 --> 01:25:59.819
I have done that as well. He does it, take ideas

01:25:59.819 --> 01:26:01.800
off me, normally on how to creatively swear at

01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:04.619
people in high -stress situations. You got one

01:26:04.619 --> 01:26:07.079
of those voices, Ken. You could do like... Ken,

01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:09.100
you could do soothing nighttime relaxing. Just

01:26:09.100 --> 01:26:11.520
like, hello, ladies and gentlemen. Hello, ladies

01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:13.260
and gentlemen. Thank you for tuning in this evening.

01:26:13.619 --> 01:26:16.439
There you go. Yes. That's what I'm talking about.

01:26:17.779 --> 01:26:20.380
You just go to sleep with that chocolatey voice

01:26:20.380 --> 01:26:23.979
just washing over my soul. You do understand

01:26:23.979 --> 01:26:26.479
that for audience capture and retention, I don't

01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:28.600
want him putting the audience to sleep? I know

01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:32.899
that. Is that why you keep editing him out? There

01:26:32.899 --> 01:26:34.000
you go.