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i don't think listeners probably appreciate like

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how do i go to sleep at night i lie in bed and

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i try to imagine how am i going to come up with

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a rig that's going to test this properly and

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they're thinking god what a loser spending your

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time trying to come up with stuff like that Welcome

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to episode 27 of the Frugal Firearms podcast,

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the podcast that spent a whole lot of time back

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in January trying to find you guys the best values

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by attending the SHOT Show in Las Vegas and walking

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the 860 ,000 square foot plus show floor and

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really destroying our feet and our legs and everything

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else and kind of probably our mental capacity

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too in the process of trying. trying to absorb

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everything there. So, so I'm Craig, I'm your

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host. And Ken, what did you think of the show,

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my man? Oh, I thought it was an awesome show.

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I mean, there was a tremendous amount of walking

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involved as there often is. Um, I don't ever,

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I don't think I've ever walked the entire show

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and talked to everybody I'd like to talk to.

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But, um, I'm telling you, you know, for the time

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we were there, which was multiple days, uh, it

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is a phenomenal show. Lots of really interesting

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things to see. Lots of things that are outside

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of the frugal environment that we're going to

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focus on here today, as we always do. But some

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amazing things, amazing things coming down the

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pike. And maybe even for those of us who live

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in a more restrictive state, maybe at some point

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in time, maybe we can get some, for example,

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suppressors. Even a less restrictive state. I

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don't think we can be in a more restrictive state

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than we're already in. Probably not. Maybe Hawaii

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or something like that might be a little bit.

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You know, and really what's happening right now

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in, I guess, in Virginia, well, I guess that

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got struck down, though, didn't it? But it got

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awfully damn close. I mean, and New Mexico and

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a few other places. I mean, there's places that

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are, you know, really trying to compete with

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California. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. We're worse

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than you. We're more restrictive than you are.

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It's really quite amazing. I'm really waiting

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for the Supreme Court to come down with some

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rulings, maybe take the Duncan v. Bonta case,

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for example, which has been languishing here

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in the court system for, I think, about eight

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or nine years. Would be really nice to get a

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final decision from the Supreme Court on that.

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Yeah, that would be. And today is our SHOT Show

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26, or in other words, 2026 review. I wanted

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to point something out that we're going to make

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a lot of comments on stuff that, just like we

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did last year, the stuff that we see at the show

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may not be new for 2026. It might be stuff that's

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simply new to us or that we think still represents

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the best value out there. So it doesn't mean...

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new in the context of it's a prototype maybe

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pre -release stuff that hasn't even been released

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and by the way if you know this about what you

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see at SHOT Show a lot of the stuff that is prototyped

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never gets to market at all. But we do want you

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guys to go out and do your own research on these

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things. You know, figure out what's best for

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you. Because what's best for us may not be best

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for you. And we don't really know a lot of the

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prices on some of the things that are new items

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because those simply haven't been publicly released

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yet. So whether they're value or not, well, some

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of this is to be determined. We started off,

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the first day was a Monday, which was industry

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day or industry day at the range, to use the

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complete name, which, you know, this year we

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had good weather, didn't we? It was great. This

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year was wonderful. Last year, it was probably

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35 degrees with 35 mile an hour winds. It was

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brutally cold. We came prepared for the cold

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last year, but not the wind. Not the wind. This

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year was a beautiful day. I don't know what the

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temperature was. It was probably in the mid -60s

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and virtually no wind. Very pleasant. There's

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a mile -long amount of booths. You stop at the

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top. It's about one mile long with booth after

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booth after booth. All the various vendors that

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are there showing their arms and a lot of the

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things. It's live fire. So if you want to shoot

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the latest clock or try something you haven't

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tried before. You can just get in line and they're

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very kind and they will share with you. It was

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my first opportunity, for example, to fire a

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50 BMG sniper rifle at 800, excuse me, 983 yards.

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First time I ever got to do that. Oh, it wasn't

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a thousand? I didn't know it wasn't a thousand.

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The guy said it was 983, which, to be honest

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with you, when you're looking through the optics,

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there's probably virtually no difference of a

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thousand yards. I took a few shots, and I think

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the closest I got was about two feet away from

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my target, which, to be honest with you, on a

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brand -new rifle with something I'd never fired

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before, I felt very good about. I was within

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two feet of the target, so probably three feet

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off the center of the target. Well, there was

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some crosswind. I had to do... I was surprised

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at how much I had to do wind hold. I was really

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impressed at that range, how much the thing would

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drift. At least when I was shooting, it was a

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right -to -left wind, and I had to come off pretty

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far, I thought. But, yeah, that was fun, and

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they do provide all the ammunition, thank God.

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Which is very nice. It would have been very expensive

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otherwise. Oh, yeah, absolutely. They don't give

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you an unlimited amount, but usually most places

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would let you have, you know, anywhere. The .50

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cal, I think they would limit you at three or

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four shots. But most other places were anywhere

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between 5 and 15, depending on what the caliber

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was. Well, Barrett was one shot, but with their

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50. Oh, the 150, okay. Yeah, it was just one

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shot. So, you know, if you missed, well, you

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know, get back in line. Go back in line. And

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it was a really long line for Barrett. Oh, sure,

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yeah. Yeah, but the one you shot was a bolt action.

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Bolt action, which was interesting because when

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you looked at it first, it was a bolt action

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with the bolt actuated on the left -hand side

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of the weapon, even for a right -handed shooter.

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And you think, oh, that's kind of odd, but it

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actually made sense just because of the actual

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mass and size of the weapon. A left -handed bolt

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was not at all a bad thing. I mean, I thought

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it would be kind of odd, like, well, you got

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a left -handed .50 here. No, no, it was actually

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quite good. So I enjoyed it. They're all expensive

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rifles. They're kind of outside the frugal environment.

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They're all up above, north of $7 ,000 or $8

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,000 and up. I think the Barrett's are going

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for about $10 ,000 to $12 ,000. depending on

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how they're configured. Wonderful stuff. Glad

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we could try them, but a little bit outside of

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our realm. Yeah. And that day you mentioned it

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was a mile long range. I was surprised when I

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got back. I mean, yeah, I had to walk, you know,

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to get the bus and I had to walk back from the

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bus. And there's a few other things, but I put

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on five and a half miles that day. So it's like,

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gosh, did I really walk the range that many times?

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And by the end of the entire, I actually posted

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a video about this. My phone, I was so disappointed

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in this. I, when, after we get back to San Diego,

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I looked at what my phone said I walked. And

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across the days while I was there, it said I

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walked 29 .92 miles. It's like, oh man, if I

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only walked like another, I mean, what's, you

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know, what's eight one hundredths of a mile.

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I mean, it's not very far. And if I just walked

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that distance, I mean, I could just, I'm calling

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it 30. I'm saying I walked 30 miles. Absolutely.

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So on that. Yeah, it's completely agreeable.

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I didn't come near that, but absolutely. Yeah,

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that's very doable, especially for you, Craig.

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Absolutely. So what was your let's start out

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this way. I have two items that I'm going to

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mention that were to me the best to show regardless

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of price. And by the way, they were both hideously

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expensive. So they're not absolutely not frugal.

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But, you know, hey, if you got the money. I would

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really seriously be considering these. Did you

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have anything that was like a just price is no

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object? Because for me, for example, I'll tell

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you before, it was probably the Lago Alien pistol,

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which was north of $6 ,000. But now there's something

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else that's more advanced, I would say, more

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ergonomic. It has a negative. muzzle rise. In

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other words, the web of your hand is above the

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center axis of the barrel. And that was the Rideout

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Arsenal Dragon, which comes in cost -wise. I

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want to say it's about a $4 ,000 to $5 ,000 gun.

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It might be less. I could be wrong about that.

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But I remember it had a cost advantage over the

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Lago Alien. And frankly, I think it was better

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thought out. That and the other one was Vulcan

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Machine Works. Well, works is spelled German

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like Werks. Yeah, W -E -R -K -S. Yeah, W -E -R

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-K -S. And they have a video that I'm also going

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to post probably in the next few days. I've been

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kind of dribbling out the videos where guys are

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just standing here. I mean, it was a very kind

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of a male. let's say satisfaction moment where

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guys are just holding the guns and racking them

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and just you know i think everyone kind of knows

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where i'm going with this but it was it was interesting

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because they were the smoothest guns including

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staccato by the way smoothest thing i've ever

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racked in my life um the the tolerances the machining

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everything was just Now, they're quite heavy,

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unlike the Rideout Arsenal Dragon, which was

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actually not too heavy. The Vulcan Machine Vex

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pistols were bricks, and they look like bricks.

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But, oh my God, are they nice. Yep. But these

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are the dreams, you know. And I know we're there

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for the frugal aspect of it, but, you know, it's

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fun to take a look at these, what's available

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in the market space, in case you happen to have

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a... A rich uncle who leaves you a ton of money

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or you win the lottery or something like that.

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Or maybe you just made the right choice in careers.

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Yeah, that can happen too. That helps. You know,

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buy Amazon when it first came out or, I mean,

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a whole bunch of things. Who knows? Yeah, you

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don't know. I mean, we could have all bought

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Bitcoin when it was $10 a Bitcoin, you know,

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and sold $100 ,000 a Bitcoin. Exactly. Well,

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okay. So what were some of the favorite things

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I posted? And by the way, this got taken down

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by YouTube because, uh, I don't know why I didn't

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tell you anything that I was doing that violated

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community standards, but I was interviewing a

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really nice guy that I met. And by the way, you

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do meet a ton of cool. I mean, a ton of cool

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people at shot. This guy named Josiah, he's the

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owner of a company called Maryland Ammunition.

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And he was talking to me about ammunition costs

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and what he can get wholesale and what the retail

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market looks like and how the market is changing.

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And I'm hoping to have him on as a guest someday.

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But he did a little promo video for me when we

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were both at the Kel -Tec desk looking at the

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new Gen 3 Sub 2000. What's special about that?

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They've had this folding rifle out now for quite

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a while. A long time. Yeah, but what's different

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about the Gen 3 Sub 2000 is that now the barrel

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rotates. Absolutely. It solves a major thing.

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I own a couple of Sub 2000s and Gen 2. Do you

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have a red dot on them? I do have a red dot.

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And you can't fold it. Well, you can't fold it

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with a red dot in place. However, I have a 45

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degree Picatinny rail offset, which lets you

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fold. Oh, so you solved it that way. So what

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happened with the Gen 3 is now they've added

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a rotating barrel. You can rotate it left or

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right. So it solves the problem of being able

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to fold the gun because it folds essentially

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toward the top, if you will. that unlike the

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Smith & Wesson competitor, the Smith & Wesson

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folds sideways. But I have to say that, you know,

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I really think I like the Kel -Tec better than

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the Smith. Yeah, I mean, I think they're both

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excellent. I mean, these are guns that, in my

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opinion, are perfect for bug -out bags or being

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able to carry a carbine that does not... Print,

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for example, if you needed to transport one.

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People don't even give you this. Second thought,

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you can put it in your backpack. Sub 2000s are

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great. What I really like about them is the fact

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that the vast majority of them are set up to

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accept Glock magazines. Whereas the Smith & Wesson,

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which I happen to like the side folder. The side

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folder Smith & Wesson is very solid. The grip

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is the same as a Yemen P pistol with replaceable

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back straps and all sorts of things. I thought

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it was great. The thing about the Smith & Wessons

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is the fact that you pretty much have to use

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the Smith & Wesson M &P magazines, which is not

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a bad thing. If you already have an investment

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in a Smith & Wesson M &P 9mm or whatever, that's

00:14:03.970 --> 00:14:07.210
fine. They work great. And it would be a natural

00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:10.250
choice. But the Glock magazine is so ubiquitous.

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They are made by nothing. Glock makes them. Magpul

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makes them. So the Glock pattern magazines are

00:14:19.730 --> 00:14:22.889
everywhere. And I think Smith & Wesson should

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have also come up with some sort of an adapter

00:14:25.809 --> 00:14:29.289
in their folding PC carbine or FPC, I think they

00:14:29.289 --> 00:14:31.570
call it, that would accept a Glock magazine.

00:14:31.769 --> 00:14:33.610
I think if they did that, they would actually

00:14:33.610 --> 00:14:36.309
see tremendous sales. But they want to sell you

00:14:36.309 --> 00:14:39.070
their magazines, right? I mean, it's a high -profit

00:14:39.070 --> 00:14:41.190
item. Yeah, it's a high -profit item. Because

00:14:41.190 --> 00:14:43.879
magazines, I think, are... Sell them for about

00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:47.779
$40 a piece. Yeah, for the stamped steel, a spring,

00:14:47.899 --> 00:14:50.799
a follower, and a base plate. Exactly. I mean,

00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.159
the profit margin on magazines is enormous. But

00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.480
yeah, I mean, well, you know who I'd recommend?

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Plug to a previous show. My favorite magazine?

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Yeah, the ETS Omega series. Beautiful. I think

00:15:04.129 --> 00:15:05.850
they're the best mags on the market, period.

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Anybody. It's a polymer mag. You can see through

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it, but it also doesn't compromise its strength

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because it has a metal insert to keep the feed

00:15:14.950 --> 00:15:18.389
lips consistent. It doesn't bulge out or anything

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like that. And they actually have some interesting

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colors now. They have kind of a rainbow version

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and a gold version. I mean, if you care what

00:15:26.769 --> 00:15:28.850
your magazine looks like because it's in the

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gun, you can't see that. if you care what it

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looks like those are the exceptional mags and

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i would totally go with that so the caltech now

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what mag what caliber do you have your your sub

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both of my uh both of my sub 2000s are in nine

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millimeter and they're set up to accept the glock

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pattern magazines so now they have the 10 millimeter

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which costs 100 more because there's just more

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It's a blowback. So there's more mass. So there's

00:15:56.220 --> 00:15:58.440
more stuff. So there's more cost. Yeah, exactly.

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You kind of wonder, is that the one to go with?

00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:04.840
Like as a reach out and protect yourself gun?

00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:07.220
Yeah. I mean, particularly if you're going into

00:16:07.220 --> 00:16:09.059
the backwoods or something like that, where you

00:16:09.059 --> 00:16:12.669
want to, if you're like. I enjoy listening to

00:16:12.669 --> 00:16:16.429
Chook's Outdoor Adventures. And he does things

00:16:16.429 --> 00:16:19.269
on grizzly bear, grizzly bear attacks, usually

00:16:19.269 --> 00:16:21.570
a couple of times a week. And he is a real fan

00:16:21.570 --> 00:16:25.149
of the 10 millimeter and being able to drop pretty

00:16:25.149 --> 00:16:27.190
much any North American game, which includes

00:16:27.190 --> 00:16:29.870
very angry grizzly bears that are nine feet tall.

00:16:30.090 --> 00:16:34.269
Yeah. And he's a big fan of the 10 millimeter

00:16:34.269 --> 00:16:37.870
with a hard cast 200 grain bullet or something.

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On the other end of the scale, would you consider

00:16:41.289 --> 00:16:45.549
going with the 5 .7x28? Because the Sub 2000

00:16:45.549 --> 00:16:49.610
comes in that also. Yeah, the 5 .7x28 is an interesting

00:16:49.610 --> 00:16:53.549
round. I know you talked about it before. Like

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if you are stupid enough to invade the White

00:16:56.950 --> 00:17:00.129
House, maybe the Secret Service, they allow you

00:17:00.129 --> 00:17:03.850
to sample a few of those. No. Oh, yeah, I see

00:17:03.850 --> 00:17:08.019
what you're saying. Yeah, I'm kind of on the

00:17:08.019 --> 00:17:13.119
border with the 5 .7x28. I think it's a great

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round. But to a certain degree, frugal always

00:17:15.819 --> 00:17:19.640
leads me toward common, which means lower cost.

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And that's why the 9mm is... They're just everywhere,

00:17:25.269 --> 00:17:28.470
and they are relatively inexpensive compared

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to even .45s or 10mms you're going to pay a premium

00:17:33.769 --> 00:17:37.430
for. And the 5 .7x28s are even more expensive.

00:17:37.470 --> 00:17:39.789
They're really expensive. Not that they're bad

00:17:39.789 --> 00:17:42.950
rounds. I just want to go with something I can

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shoot a lot, practice a lot with. So I'm going

00:17:45.450 --> 00:17:49.170
to tend to gravitate toward the 9mm. Not to say

00:17:49.170 --> 00:17:51.869
that I don't own a couple of 10mms. I do. It's

00:17:51.869 --> 00:17:54.950
just one of those things. Okay. um another company

00:17:54.950 --> 00:17:59.890
that we saw that is interesting story behind

00:17:59.890 --> 00:18:02.930
this we we saw some familiar faces but we saw

00:18:02.930 --> 00:18:06.730
them at a company that they weren't at last time

00:18:06.730 --> 00:18:11.450
we saw them dnt optics has a pretty broad and

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and rapidly expanding line of digital and thermal

00:18:14.890 --> 00:18:18.970
optics that are now kind of in a space that's

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competitive with one of our previous guests And

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I think that it's going to be interesting. At

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some point, we're going to get the good folks

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from D &T Optics on to talk about their stuff.

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They had an interesting hybrid thermoscope that

00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:37.680
also incorporated digital, like low light and

00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.980
regular light scope. And they did it differently

00:18:40.980 --> 00:18:44.819
than Holosun did. So what Holosun did in one

00:18:44.819 --> 00:18:46.579
of their optics, and this was introduced, not

00:18:46.579 --> 00:18:50.000
this year, it was previously introduced. It overlays

00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.309
thermal and... let's say, visual range optics

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into a single image. And it kind of does it sort

00:18:56.990 --> 00:19:01.710
of okay, but it's not great. And DNT looked at

00:19:01.710 --> 00:19:06.009
this and said, yeah, that's too hard to do to

00:19:06.009 --> 00:19:08.670
get it right. So what they have is they have

00:19:08.670 --> 00:19:11.650
essentially a picture -in -picture. So they have

00:19:11.650 --> 00:19:14.990
an optic that you can use as a digital normal

00:19:14.990 --> 00:19:17.890
scope that also has good low -light capability,

00:19:18.069 --> 00:19:22.000
and then it has an inset. which has a co -aligned

00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.140
reticle for thermal, or you can switch it just,

00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:28.799
I think with one button, you can switch and go

00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.359
to primary thermal with the picture in picture

00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.859
being the visual range optic. So that also came

00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:36.720
in at a very good price point. I don't want to

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quote it because I don't know what the street

00:19:38.700 --> 00:19:41.799
price is on that, but I would say get over to

00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:43.539
the DNT Optics if you're interested in something

00:19:43.539 --> 00:19:46.319
like that. And that's one thing. I mean, digital

00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.740
and thermal optics are something that are, you

00:19:48.740 --> 00:19:51.019
know, the price points are continuing to drop

00:19:51.019 --> 00:19:53.359
on those while the quality and the performance

00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:57.500
continue to increase. And they're really impressive.

00:19:57.700 --> 00:20:02.500
I mean, Craig, we've got the one thermal optic,

00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:04.180
for example, and I actually needed to borrow

00:20:04.180 --> 00:20:08.559
it not but a few weeks ago to look for a leaking.

00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:13.190
or a warm electrical outlet in a friend's house.

00:20:13.509 --> 00:20:15.890
And it's nothing quite like having the option

00:20:15.890 --> 00:20:19.569
to take a look at a thermal optic and effectively

00:20:19.569 --> 00:20:21.430
look at your walls and say, oh, well, there's

00:20:21.430 --> 00:20:23.289
where all the suds are. You can see how efficient

00:20:23.289 --> 00:20:25.829
your walls are. But also just walking around

00:20:25.829 --> 00:20:28.990
looking for a warm electrical socket to see that,

00:20:28.990 --> 00:20:32.329
oh, well, that's pulling too much amperage through

00:20:32.329 --> 00:20:35.109
that or whatever it might be. So thermal, you

00:20:35.109 --> 00:20:37.869
might think, gee, why would I ever want a thermal

00:20:37.869 --> 00:20:40.880
optic? No, they're really cool, and they're surprisingly

00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.299
useful for even things that are not in the standard

00:20:44.299 --> 00:20:47.000
gun space. And that particular optic was from

00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:50.079
ATN. That was their Blaze Seeker. And that's

00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:52.079
still a product we recommend. We're not saying

00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:55.500
anything bad about ATN whatsoever. No, no. Excellent

00:20:55.500 --> 00:20:58.819
stuff. Now, did you see that there are now...

00:20:59.099 --> 00:21:01.680
remember when lab radar came out and they had

00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:05.480
that chronograph that was radar based. So remember

00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:08.200
for those who haven't used a chronograph before,

00:21:08.259 --> 00:21:10.460
what does it do? It takes the speed of your bullet.

00:21:10.579 --> 00:21:12.859
So they used to be optical systems and you'd

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fire over two optical sensors that were a known

00:21:16.460 --> 00:21:18.680
distance apart. And sometimes you had to use

00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:21.980
a little shade because if sun got in the optic,

00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:25.220
it, I mean, glare, right. It couldn't, it couldn't

00:21:25.220 --> 00:21:28.220
see the bullet pass over the top. And it would

00:21:28.220 --> 00:21:32.039
give you a readout on speed. And then there was

00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:34.420
another one. I actually owned one of these, something

00:21:34.420 --> 00:21:37.920
called a magneto speed. A magneto speed is interesting

00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:39.779
because you attach it to the end of the barrel

00:21:39.779 --> 00:21:43.339
and it measures, again, the passage of a bullet

00:21:43.339 --> 00:21:47.420
over two essentially magnetometers that are a

00:21:47.420 --> 00:21:49.799
known distance apart. So it gives you speed there.

00:21:51.690 --> 00:21:54.430
The nice thing about the Magneto Speed is that

00:21:54.430 --> 00:21:57.769
you can put it on a rifle and it's very repeatable

00:21:57.769 --> 00:22:00.470
and very portable. But there's some guns it's

00:22:00.470 --> 00:22:04.990
very hard to get the thing on and make it work.

00:22:05.170 --> 00:22:07.750
Like there's some guns you simply cannot attach

00:22:07.750 --> 00:22:11.789
it to. And it's good for making up loads, but

00:22:11.789 --> 00:22:14.490
it also affects the harmonics of the barrel.

00:22:14.670 --> 00:22:18.809
So I wouldn't use it at accuracy. But it's perfect

00:22:18.809 --> 00:22:20.589
for building the load up, determining what the

00:22:20.589 --> 00:22:23.049
speed is of a particular load, particular hand

00:22:23.049 --> 00:22:26.849
load. But it's only one digit. And so there's

00:22:26.849 --> 00:22:28.809
a couple of companies now that make very small

00:22:28.809 --> 00:22:33.410
portable radar chronographs that are inexpensive.

00:22:34.700 --> 00:22:37.500
relatively speaking we're talking in the street

00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:42.380
price of 250 to 450 dollars right one is made

00:22:42.380 --> 00:22:46.240
by garmin uh the zero and zero is spelled with

00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:52.039
an x like x e r o and then there's also the um

00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:55.660
oh it's made by athlon what's it called the range

00:22:55.660 --> 00:23:00.799
something i can't remember the But they're very,

00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.019
very, very similar. The Garmin and the Athlon,

00:23:03.099 --> 00:23:07.339
if you look at them, the Athlon has a price advantage.

00:23:08.299 --> 00:23:12.799
They're both 24 gigahertz units. Now, this is

00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.640
going to matter here in a second. So 24 gigahertz

00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.539
is the frequency that the radar is tuned to.

00:23:19.019 --> 00:23:23.839
Both the Garmin and the Athlon give you one readout.

00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:26.960
Now, they do some statistics. They'll keep multiple

00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.279
shots. They'll do standard deviations and other

00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.700
analyses for you. You know, they have memory

00:23:33.700 --> 00:23:35.900
and so on, but they're only giving you one number.

00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:40.759
Labradar, who made the original big chronograph

00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:42.940
that was radar -based, now has a little one,

00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:47.500
too. Now, this also is not a 2026 release, but

00:23:47.500 --> 00:23:52.900
there's an advantage. The Labradar LX is also

00:23:52.900 --> 00:23:57.180
very small. to my eye, has a better screen, more

00:23:57.180 --> 00:24:00.539
sophistication than either the Garmin or the

00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:03.559
Athlon. But the other, now you tell me about

00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.460
the, so you reload, Ken. We've talked about that

00:24:06.460 --> 00:24:10.440
before. If you have a radar that will take multiple

00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.839
samples as the bullet goes down range, and therefore

00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:17.319
calculate ballistic coefficient and give you

00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:21.640
the G1 and the G7 numbers, would you find that

00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:24.619
helpful? I would, absolutely. I mean, it's not

00:24:24.619 --> 00:24:27.079
only just what it is at the muzzle, it's what

00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:30.819
is it at 10 yards, 100 yards, or beyond, depending

00:24:30.819 --> 00:24:33.680
on the device. Well, these little things don't

00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:36.000
go out that far. So the way that the Labradar

00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:39.720
LX does this is it takes multiple samples. I

00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:41.940
admit to being ignorant on this. We haven't tested

00:24:41.940 --> 00:24:44.940
one yet, so I have no personal experience with

00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:48.859
it, caveat. But at the same time, it will measure

00:24:48.859 --> 00:24:51.339
the bullet multiple times. Otherwise, it wouldn't

00:24:51.339 --> 00:24:52.940
be able to get it. Yeah, it couldn't get the

00:24:52.940 --> 00:24:55.460
G1 and G7 numbers. And by the way, folks, okay,

00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:59.500
what do those numbers mean? The G1 number is

00:24:59.500 --> 00:25:03.700
a number that is based on essentially the flight

00:25:03.700 --> 00:25:07.880
of a bullet that is flat -based. That has, in

00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.700
other words, the rear of the bullet is flat.

00:25:10.220 --> 00:25:13.700
And the ogive, which is the curvature of the

00:25:13.700 --> 00:25:17.619
bullet in the front, is based on the caliber

00:25:17.619 --> 00:25:21.880
times two. That's the radius. Now, what's a G?

00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:23.819
So you think, well, it kind of sounds like a

00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:27.599
pistol round, really. A lot of bullets are best

00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.980
measured by using the G1 number. The G7 number

00:25:30.980 --> 00:25:38.160
uses a ogive of 10 times the caliber. In other

00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.960
words, the slope of the ogive is much shallower,

00:25:41.980 --> 00:25:48.200
and it uses a 7 .5 degree boat tail. That is

00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.660
more analogous to a modern rifle hunting round.

00:25:51.940 --> 00:25:54.420
So that's actually where you're going to get

00:25:54.420 --> 00:25:57.700
a better ballistic coefficient calculation if

00:25:57.700 --> 00:25:59.859
you're actually that technical in doing that

00:25:59.859 --> 00:26:03.059
stuff. But it also tells you something interesting

00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:06.720
here that the lab radar, it can see that very,

00:26:06.859 --> 00:26:09.319
because all the bullets, all the radar is looking

00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:11.000
at is the very back of the bullet, right? That's

00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.079
all it can see. So it sees that very narrow base

00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:16.759
on the boat tail. In fact, it can see a BB. The

00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:21.119
BB is terrible. It's totally round, yeah. It's

00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.420
round. So the only part that reflects back is

00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:27.900
the very, very back that is perpendicular to

00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:30.400
the, or actually parallel to the flight of the

00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:35.140
round itself. So this is something we hope to,

00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:38.359
is it frugal? I don't know. No, but it's super

00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.319
technical. Well, it's $500. I understand. I mean,

00:26:40.339 --> 00:26:44.079
basically, the more slippery the bullet is in

00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:48.920
flight, the better, less drag it's going to have.

00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.680
Probably the slower it's going to slow down,

00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:55.559
just from friction and wind resistance. So basically,

00:26:55.660 --> 00:26:57.259
the flatter it's going to shoot and so forth.

00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:01.079
So there's a ton of calculation stuff here. Now,

00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:05.210
so I'll ask you. If you're a reloader and you're

00:27:05.210 --> 00:27:07.890
doing it with it, like you're getting ready for

00:27:07.890 --> 00:27:10.390
a hunt and you really need, or your competition,

00:27:10.630 --> 00:27:16.049
you need this to be right. Is $500 to get that

00:27:16.049 --> 00:27:19.250
information worth it? Yeah, I think it is. I

00:27:19.250 --> 00:27:20.829
mean, for some people it isn't, for others it

00:27:20.829 --> 00:27:22.690
wouldn't be, right? I think it's definitely a

00:27:22.690 --> 00:27:25.990
luxury item. And if you're a reloader, that's

00:27:25.990 --> 00:27:27.869
really, in my opinion, the only reason to own

00:27:27.869 --> 00:27:30.670
it. If you don't reload, then you're dependent

00:27:30.670 --> 00:27:33.210
on factory ammo and you can't do anything about

00:27:33.210 --> 00:27:36.490
it anyway. But if you're a reloader and you can

00:27:36.490 --> 00:27:39.190
actually dial in a particular load with a particular

00:27:39.190 --> 00:27:42.529
bullet to within a half a grain of powder or

00:27:42.529 --> 00:27:45.869
something like this, that is where... a tool

00:27:45.869 --> 00:27:49.029
like this would come to become a very valuable

00:27:49.029 --> 00:27:52.390
asset to you. But before you get there, you know,

00:27:52.390 --> 00:27:55.269
I would encourage people to start reloading.

00:27:55.269 --> 00:27:57.970
You know, basically save your brass. Don't let

00:27:57.970 --> 00:28:01.549
it just fall onto the, get stepped on and swept

00:28:01.549 --> 00:28:06.190
away. No, no, save your brass and reload. Well,

00:28:06.250 --> 00:28:07.630
if you're not going to reload, then what do you

00:28:07.630 --> 00:28:09.730
do with your brass? Oh, you can sell your brass.

00:28:09.750 --> 00:28:11.829
We actually had somebody here just on a show

00:28:11.829 --> 00:28:14.869
or two ago. Brassbuyers .com. Brassbuyers. Exactly.

00:28:15.230 --> 00:28:17.170
You can sell your brass back, particularly if

00:28:17.170 --> 00:28:18.930
you've got a lot of it or if it's an unusual

00:28:18.930 --> 00:28:21.710
caliber. And Jeff, who runs Brass Buyers, is

00:28:21.710 --> 00:28:25.329
a fantastic guy who's doing a lot of good things

00:28:25.329 --> 00:28:27.640
for his community. Right. Go back and listen

00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:31.539
to the episodes 24 and 26 if you didn't hear

00:28:31.539 --> 00:28:34.680
those. Right. Brass is a valuable asset. And

00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.700
as a frugal person, you should collect it. And

00:28:37.700 --> 00:28:40.059
even if you're not reloading, oftentimes next

00:28:40.059 --> 00:28:42.380
time you go to a gun show, if you don't want

00:28:42.380 --> 00:28:45.339
to deal with an online thing, bring it to a gun

00:28:45.339 --> 00:28:47.579
show. And you'll find the reloaders that are

00:28:47.579 --> 00:28:50.180
selling brass. And you want to say, hey, and

00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:51.640
I've done this before. I've walked in with a

00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:53.880
bunch of brass that was for a caliber I was no

00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.000
longer using. Say, hey, I got a whole big bag

00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.400
of this. stuff. Uh, you know, it's an all in

00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:00.940
great shape, no problems. Hey, and you've got

00:29:00.940 --> 00:29:02.680
something over there that I'm interested in.

00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.259
Will you give me $25 for this, which you'll be

00:29:06.259 --> 00:29:08.720
able to sell for at least 50. And then you can

00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.119
be $25 worth of table credit to buy something

00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.920
over that they might be selling. I do all the

00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:16.640
time. Yeah, exactly. Okay. We're going to welcome

00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.480
back to the show. This is the first time this

00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.339
has ever happened on the frugal firearms podcast.

00:29:22.430 --> 00:29:24.990
A guest that we just had recently because he

00:29:24.990 --> 00:29:27.930
has an important update for his site. And that's

00:29:27.930 --> 00:29:30.650
Jeff Goldstein of not only High Value Training

00:29:30.650 --> 00:29:34.289
Academy, but of BrassBuyers .com. And Jeff, you

00:29:34.289 --> 00:29:37.190
felt that even though we recently recorded a

00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:39.609
show with you covering Brass Buyers, that your

00:29:39.609 --> 00:29:42.549
business model has adapted a little bit to the

00:29:42.549 --> 00:29:44.990
changing market in brass. And you really wanted

00:29:44.990 --> 00:29:46.829
to get that message out. So why don't you take

00:29:46.829 --> 00:29:49.210
the floor and tell us what's new at Brass Buyers

00:29:49.210 --> 00:29:51.849
and what your new customers should be aware of.

00:29:51.819 --> 00:29:54.400
Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Ken, for having me back

00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.140
on. So we just finished recording the Brass Buyers

00:29:58.140 --> 00:30:01.259
podcast and it's been out there for a few weeks.

00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.579
And one of the things I spent a lot of time on

00:30:04.579 --> 00:30:07.259
on that podcast was talking about our menu and

00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:10.440
what we pay for and how much we pay for it. And

00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.519
we're in the middle of implementing changes to

00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:14.480
that for the very first time ever in the history

00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.440
of the company. And so I felt like maybe it would

00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.039
be a good idea to update the audience very quickly

00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:24.099
on what changes we're making, because two weeks

00:30:24.099 --> 00:30:27.240
passed when that episode aired or three weeks

00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:29.839
passed when that episode aired. New prices are

00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.119
coming out. They're going to put more money in

00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.700
the pocket of customers that sells their brass.

00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:37.980
And what kind of differences are people going

00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:40.700
to see? And why does it make it more compelling

00:30:40.700 --> 00:30:42.759
for them to do business with you as a result

00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:46.099
of those changes? Absolutely. So let me first

00:30:46.099 --> 00:30:49.420
start by talking about what isn't changing. For

00:30:49.420 --> 00:30:53.220
customers that have very unique calibers, and

00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:55.940
this was mentioned in the previous podcast, we

00:30:55.940 --> 00:30:58.500
will still custom quote your unique calibers.

00:30:58.990 --> 00:31:03.329
And those are per contact per request basis.

00:31:03.670 --> 00:31:06.630
So nothing is going to change with that. What's

00:31:06.630 --> 00:31:08.569
changing is, is that we're changing our menu

00:31:08.569 --> 00:31:12.269
structure for our cash for brass program, which

00:31:12.269 --> 00:31:15.130
also includes store credit and charitable notations.

00:31:15.269 --> 00:31:18.450
In the past, the way our menu structure worked

00:31:18.450 --> 00:31:21.809
was very, very simple. It was $1 .50 for cash.

00:31:22.170 --> 00:31:25.109
It was $1 .80 store credit. And it was $2 if

00:31:25.109 --> 00:31:28.720
you wanted us to donate. to a charity of your

00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.440
choice at two dollars a pound and that also made

00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.180
a lot of sense on the website so if you go to

00:31:34.180 --> 00:31:37.180
the website you pick from the drop down menu

00:31:37.180 --> 00:31:39.559
which one you want you'd enter an approximate

00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:41.839
weight of your brass the website would tell you

00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.740
approximately what's that worth you would complete

00:31:44.740 --> 00:31:47.059
the transaction send us your brass and within

00:31:47.059 --> 00:31:49.819
30 days you would get a check so one of the challenges

00:31:49.819 --> 00:31:52.380
we had with changing that model to expand our

00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:56.569
menu was one of two things needed to happen Either

00:31:56.569 --> 00:32:00.750
we needed to make the selection options on the

00:32:00.750 --> 00:32:05.789
website much more detailed in order to match

00:32:05.789 --> 00:32:09.670
the new menu of prices, which we felt like might

00:32:09.670 --> 00:32:11.589
be complicated because, well, what if we don't

00:32:11.589 --> 00:32:14.309
receive what people say they're sending us? We

00:32:14.309 --> 00:32:16.369
really don't want to have conflicts like that.

00:32:16.430 --> 00:32:19.309
We want to just receive your brass, weigh it

00:32:19.309 --> 00:32:22.049
and send you a check. And then the other option

00:32:22.049 --> 00:32:25.390
was, well, if we have this expanded menu, then.

00:32:25.819 --> 00:32:29.059
Instead of giving the customer all of these choices

00:32:29.059 --> 00:32:33.319
on the website, what if we take away the approximation

00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.319
of what your brass was worth? So today, if you

00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.480
go on the website and you select the cash option

00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:41.259
and you say, I have 50 pounds of brass, the website

00:32:41.259 --> 00:32:44.980
is going to say that's worth $75. And what we're

00:32:44.980 --> 00:32:47.940
going to change in the future is you're now going

00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:50.220
to select whether you're sending us sorted or

00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:53.420
unsorted. And we may have some specific caliber

00:32:53.420 --> 00:32:56.500
call outs. And the prices for those things are

00:32:56.500 --> 00:32:59.039
now all different. So you are going to tell us

00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.099
what you're sending us, but we're not going to

00:33:01.099 --> 00:33:03.220
give you that approximation on the website anymore

00:33:03.220 --> 00:33:06.759
because it would just be too complicated to then

00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.400
compare that versus what we receive. So but the

00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:13.339
program is becoming a little bit richer for the

00:33:13.339 --> 00:33:18.759
customer. So cash prices prior to the changes

00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.430
we're making in March, which, by the way. If

00:33:21.430 --> 00:33:24.309
you're a February customer and your box is waiting

00:33:24.309 --> 00:33:27.410
for weigh -in pay, all of these prices are retroactive

00:33:27.410 --> 00:33:30.589
to all unprocessed February boxes. So we're not

00:33:30.589 --> 00:33:34.390
just doing March and moving forward. We're going

00:33:34.390 --> 00:33:36.130
to take care of our customers that have already

00:33:36.130 --> 00:33:41.349
sent us unprocessed boxes. The price for unsorted

00:33:41.349 --> 00:33:44.769
mixed brass. So just think of a bucket of brass

00:33:44.769 --> 00:33:47.049
at the range. It's every caliber people have

00:33:47.049 --> 00:33:51.359
shot. If you send that to us. It's now $1 .60

00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.720
a pound. So that went up 10 cents, and that's

00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:55.960
because the market price for that has changed.

00:33:56.539 --> 00:34:00.759
If you send us sorted brass, meaning that we

00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:03.480
can now count on being able to turn around this

00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:07.079
inventory back to the website much faster without

00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:08.860
having to put it through our sorting machines,

00:34:09.179 --> 00:34:14.079
we will pay you $1 .70 a pound for common pistol

00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.119
calibers that are sorted. And when I say sorted,

00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.579
I don't mean... pistol calibers in one bag, rifle

00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:23.699
calibers in a second bag, what I mean is if you

00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:26.519
sort your pistol brass, so in the box there's

00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.940
a bag of 9mm and a bag of .380 and a separate

00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:34.260
bag of .38 Special, we will consider that sorted

00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:37.780
and pay $1 .70 a pound. And the same thing for

00:34:37.780 --> 00:34:40.840
rifle brass at $1 .85 a pound. That's a good

00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.219
increase in percentage. It is a good increase

00:34:43.219 --> 00:34:46.800
in percentage. All you need to do on the website

00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:50.219
is say you're sending us sorted or unsorted.

00:34:50.420 --> 00:34:52.900
So if you say you're sending us sorted, we're

00:34:52.900 --> 00:34:56.039
expecting it to be sorted in that manner when

00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:58.900
we receive it, not just sorted pistol versus

00:34:58.900 --> 00:35:02.260
rifle, but actually by caliber. And so we'll

00:35:02.260 --> 00:35:04.820
pay those higher amounts. And what was the demand

00:35:04.820 --> 00:35:06.900
signal that told you that this was necessary?

00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:10.099
We've had a lot of conversations with customers

00:35:10.099 --> 00:35:14.349
recently who've contacted us and said, I have

00:35:14.349 --> 00:35:17.650
brass and it's sorted and it's shiny and clean.

00:35:17.849 --> 00:35:20.389
I just don't reload anymore. I'm looking for

00:35:20.389 --> 00:35:23.670
a place to offload it. And the more I talked

00:35:23.670 --> 00:35:27.329
to these customers, obviously we want to buy

00:35:27.329 --> 00:35:31.090
their brass. That's what we do. But also, you

00:35:31.090 --> 00:35:33.030
know, having some compassion for the fact that

00:35:33.030 --> 00:35:36.070
they've already put in the work that I won't

00:35:36.070 --> 00:35:38.489
have to or the people that help me won't have

00:35:38.489 --> 00:35:41.590
to as far as sorting the brass goes. Whether

00:35:41.590 --> 00:35:44.630
it's clean or dirty or not is still not a consideration.

00:35:45.550 --> 00:35:49.750
But if it is sorted by calibers, then we will

00:35:49.750 --> 00:35:52.150
pay those higher amounts, pistol versus rifle.

00:35:52.690 --> 00:35:55.670
Okay, great. And then on top of that, we're going

00:35:55.670 --> 00:35:58.349
to have caliber call -outs. So right now, starting

00:35:58.349 --> 00:36:01.510
in March, if you send us sorted brass and you

00:36:01.510 --> 00:36:04.769
send us a mix of .223, .556, we consider that

00:36:04.769 --> 00:36:08.329
the same thing as fired brass is concerned. Or

00:36:08.329 --> 00:36:13.510
if you send us mixed .308, slash 762 by 51 we

00:36:13.510 --> 00:36:18.730
will pay 225 a pound for those two calipers well

00:36:18.730 --> 00:36:21.630
I should say four calipers but but really two

00:36:21.630 --> 00:36:25.329
two three five five six can be combined 308 plus

00:36:25.329 --> 00:36:29.489
762 by 51 can be combined we'll pay 225 a pound

00:36:29.489 --> 00:36:32.530
cash for those so that is a significant jump

00:36:32.530 --> 00:36:37.099
from the dollar 50 a pound and What we're doing

00:36:37.099 --> 00:36:39.840
is we're going to start calling out calibers

00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.880
that we see in the market. There is higher demand,

00:36:43.099 --> 00:36:47.079
which means we need more supply. And so we're

00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.699
going to be paying a little bit more for high

00:36:49.699 --> 00:36:53.000
demand calibers so we can receive those, make

00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.619
sure they're in good reloadable condition and

00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:58.260
turn those back over as quickly as possible.

00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.340
If somebody sends us a box of. two two three

00:37:01.340 --> 00:37:04.760
five five six mix just as an example a usps large

00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.119
flat rate box will hold approximately 2500 pieces

00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:11.739
of that if we receive that and we can put that

00:37:11.739 --> 00:37:14.300
up for sale immediately on the website without

00:37:14.300 --> 00:37:16.900
having to sort it first we're certainly willing

00:37:16.900 --> 00:37:19.420
to pay extra for that so store credit values

00:37:19.420 --> 00:37:23.599
are also higher so starting with unsorted brass

00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.820
it's now a dollar 95 store credit Sorted pistol

00:37:27.820 --> 00:37:33.179
205, sorted rifle 225, and sorted the caliber

00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:37.760
callouts like 223 or 308 will be 240. And then

00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:41.219
charitable donation across the board now is $2

00:37:41.219 --> 00:37:44.239
.40 a pound. And it just is a reminder for the

00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.119
listeners, what does charitable donation mean?

00:37:46.219 --> 00:37:48.460
If you have a bucket of brass sitting in your

00:37:48.460 --> 00:37:50.599
garage and you're thinking, you know, it's time

00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:52.920
to maybe make a donation to your favorite charity,

00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.380
send us your brass. And we'll make that donation

00:37:56.380 --> 00:38:00.239
for you in your name at $2 .40 a pound. So it's

00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.380
a way to make a charitable donation for the cost

00:38:03.380 --> 00:38:06.340
of shipping as opposed to taking cash out of

00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:08.579
your pocket. So it's a really good return for

00:38:08.579 --> 00:38:10.760
you if you're considering making a charitable

00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.239
donation. And you send them proof that they made

00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.400
that donation so they can use that for tax purposes.

00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:19.190
yeah we'll send them a screenshot of where we

00:38:19.190 --> 00:38:21.389
donated it so that they'll tell us where they

00:38:21.389 --> 00:38:23.989
want it donated we'll verify that that is a legitimate

00:38:23.989 --> 00:38:27.730
charity and we'll make that donation uh we actually

00:38:27.730 --> 00:38:29.929
have had one instance now where somebody sent

00:38:29.929 --> 00:38:33.849
us a charitable donation and then dropped off

00:38:33.849 --> 00:38:35.690
the face of the earth we haven't heard from them

00:38:35.690 --> 00:38:39.070
i asked them probably five times. Can you please

00:38:39.070 --> 00:38:41.590
tell us what charity you want to donate to? I

00:38:41.590 --> 00:38:43.909
have to this day never heard back from them.

00:38:43.969 --> 00:38:47.110
So we made that charitable donation to High Value

00:38:47.110 --> 00:38:49.190
Training Academy and their name. And if they

00:38:49.190 --> 00:38:51.230
want proof of that, they just need to reply to

00:38:51.230 --> 00:38:53.989
one of our emails. OK, so on to your story about

00:38:53.989 --> 00:38:55.949
high value training before we get back to our

00:38:55.949 --> 00:39:00.670
SHOT Show 26 review. This past week. i was invited

00:39:00.670 --> 00:39:04.309
to teach two nra classes to some college students

00:39:04.309 --> 00:39:09.489
at a local university and we did it at a house

00:39:09.489 --> 00:39:11.570
one of the things i was trying to be careful

00:39:11.570 --> 00:39:15.550
of was to not bring a bunch of firearms onto

00:39:15.550 --> 00:39:19.030
campus into dorm rooms or into apartment buildings

00:39:19.030 --> 00:39:21.769
that are shared spaces that was going to cause

00:39:21.769 --> 00:39:25.510
some concern for people who might see it so There

00:39:25.510 --> 00:39:28.789
was a house we could use for these guys in this

00:39:28.789 --> 00:39:31.170
fraternity who wanted to do the class. So we're

00:39:31.170 --> 00:39:33.530
in the basement of the house. The power goes

00:39:33.530 --> 00:39:36.469
out. So we're in this basement. It's completely

00:39:36.469 --> 00:39:40.230
dark. And we're not sure what's going on. Of

00:39:40.230 --> 00:39:42.849
course, savvy college students, they're checking

00:39:42.849 --> 00:39:45.389
their phone. Oh, the power's out for the whole

00:39:45.389 --> 00:39:48.789
block. There's something going on. So in my head,

00:39:48.809 --> 00:39:52.469
I'm thinking, man, we. We packed up all of our

00:39:52.469 --> 00:39:54.829
stuff, pistols and rifles, because we're doing

00:39:54.829 --> 00:39:58.289
two classes. We brought it all the way over here.

00:39:58.710 --> 00:40:02.250
We're two hours in, and the power goes out. And

00:40:02.250 --> 00:40:07.530
one of the kids says, hey, I've got an EV. And

00:40:07.530 --> 00:40:09.590
I said, you mean like an electric vehicle? He

00:40:09.590 --> 00:40:14.670
said, yeah, I'll go get it. So we took a break.

00:40:14.789 --> 00:40:17.369
We moved all the tables and everything upstairs.

00:40:18.300 --> 00:40:21.780
into the living room of this house and reconfigured

00:40:21.780 --> 00:40:24.559
their living room to turn it into a quasi -classroom.

00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:31.639
This kid pulls his Hyundai Ioniq into the garage

00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.699
of the house and we ran this really long extension

00:40:34.699 --> 00:40:38.000
cord from the surge protector that had the projector

00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:41.559
and the laptop plugged into it and ran this class

00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:45.170
off of the car. There you go. Yeah, there are

00:40:45.170 --> 00:40:48.130
cars out there like the Lucid Air that can run

00:40:48.130 --> 00:40:50.789
your house for like two days. And I'm talking

00:40:50.789 --> 00:40:53.050
refrigerators, air conditioning, all that stuff.

00:40:53.269 --> 00:40:57.690
I can't think of a better story than, you know,

00:40:57.710 --> 00:41:00.690
we were agile enough to use a college student's

00:41:00.690 --> 00:41:03.829
electric vehicle to actually run an NRA class.

00:41:03.989 --> 00:41:06.030
And I have a video to prove it. The projector

00:41:06.030 --> 00:41:08.889
screen that we have with something up on the

00:41:08.889 --> 00:41:11.449
screen, turn around and you see this long extension

00:41:11.449 --> 00:41:14.030
cord on the ground going out to this. car in

00:41:14.030 --> 00:41:16.530
the garage. I just, I couldn't believe we saved

00:41:16.530 --> 00:41:18.809
the day. It was so cool. Hey, if you guys want

00:41:18.809 --> 00:41:21.449
to hear another story that also relates to high

00:41:21.449 --> 00:41:24.650
value training, go listen to episode 24 of the

00:41:24.650 --> 00:41:27.110
frugal firearms podcast, and you'll get to hear

00:41:27.110 --> 00:41:29.889
him tell another story about a person who maybe

00:41:29.889 --> 00:41:32.110
shouldn't have been in class. So Jeff, thanks

00:41:32.110 --> 00:41:34.070
very much for joining us. And we're going to

00:41:34.070 --> 00:41:37.650
get back to our SHOT Show 2026 review. Sure.

00:41:37.730 --> 00:41:39.969
Thanks guys. Appreciate the time. Thank you.

00:41:40.849 --> 00:41:43.969
I'll tell you that sometimes When Ken and I go

00:41:43.969 --> 00:41:47.349
to the SHOT Show, you make contacts and you get

00:41:47.349 --> 00:41:52.510
cards and you meet people and then you try to

00:41:52.510 --> 00:41:55.409
arrange to show with them and then it kind of

00:41:55.409 --> 00:41:58.309
doesn't happen because people get busy and time

00:41:58.309 --> 00:42:01.730
passes and stuff like that. But one company that

00:42:01.730 --> 00:42:05.250
I approached again this year that I had approached

00:42:05.250 --> 00:42:09.789
previously was Recover Tactical. Now, Recover

00:42:09.789 --> 00:42:13.190
Tactical makes some stuff that if you haven't

00:42:13.190 --> 00:42:15.210
seen it, you need to go look at their website

00:42:15.210 --> 00:42:19.389
because it can add, I wouldn't say value as much

00:42:19.389 --> 00:42:22.650
as opportunity to the guns that you already own.

00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:28.409
You can do things like get a pistol brace for

00:42:28.409 --> 00:42:31.489
your Glock. Now, why would anybody do that? Well,

00:42:31.690 --> 00:42:35.530
I mean, you might want to be able to put a red

00:42:35.530 --> 00:42:39.400
dot on or you might be able to want to do. use

00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:41.639
a forward stabilizer or something like that,

00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:44.159
or just stabilize it by attaching it to your

00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:48.380
forearm. This is particularly good. You know,

00:42:48.380 --> 00:42:50.320
I need to tell the guys over at the Accessible

00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.340
Hunter, which is another great podcast. By the

00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:56.900
way, we appear with every Monday. Our show is

00:42:56.900 --> 00:43:01.429
broadcast on the Outdoor Call radio app. along

00:43:01.429 --> 00:43:04.110
with a number of other shows, Accessible Hunter

00:43:04.110 --> 00:43:07.230
being one of them. Accessible Hunter really specializes

00:43:07.230 --> 00:43:10.869
in talking hunting and gear, you know, for people

00:43:10.869 --> 00:43:15.829
who've, through dint of fate or bad luck or whatever,

00:43:15.989 --> 00:43:19.230
have suffered accidents that usually compromise

00:43:19.230 --> 00:43:21.929
their mobility. And some of the stuff that Recover

00:43:21.929 --> 00:43:24.929
Tactical makes really turns your gun into something

00:43:24.929 --> 00:43:28.139
that it really wasn't to begin with. And we're

00:43:28.139 --> 00:43:30.659
going to be talking to those guys, getting some

00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:34.440
samples from them. They have things that are

00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:38.059
really thinking out of the box. And one of their

00:43:38.059 --> 00:43:40.320
ideas that they have is the thing called the

00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.659
G -Zero. And I'll say holster, but put, you know,

00:43:43.659 --> 00:43:46.940
quotes around the word holster. It's a little

00:43:46.940 --> 00:43:51.460
clip, basically, that has two springs in it.

00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.820
And it attaches to the pick rail on your pistol.

00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.599
It's generic across different pistols, I believe.

00:43:59.860 --> 00:44:03.300
And what happens is that you use this, you fold

00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:05.619
it out, and then you fold it up. So it comes

00:44:05.619 --> 00:44:08.420
outward 90 degrees, and then it folds up, and

00:44:08.420 --> 00:44:11.639
it opens a latch. And that latch attaches to

00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.840
your belt or inside of your waistband or something

00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:18.280
like that. As you draw the gun, the whole thing

00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:21.699
folds up just like that. Folds so quickly that

00:44:21.699 --> 00:44:25.039
it's completely stowed by the time the weapon

00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:29.340
is presented. It adds, I don't know, five, six

00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:33.920
grams to the gun. Now, is it a proper holster?

00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:38.719
No, it's not. Does it hold as securely as, you

00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.079
know, a Kydex holster would? No, it doesn't.

00:44:42.219 --> 00:44:46.199
But if you have a situation where you need absolute

00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:51.400
minimal exposure and you want to have the minimal

00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.300
amount of gear and you're not going to wear a

00:44:54.300 --> 00:44:57.920
belt, because it just isn't appropriate for what

00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.199
you're wearing at the time, that you can hold

00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.780
your gear on properly, put quotes around the

00:45:02.780 --> 00:45:06.320
word properly, then the GZERO holster might well

00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:08.619
be, and it's only like, I think, retails for

00:45:08.619 --> 00:45:12.760
like $20. Maybe that's a low number. Maybe it's

00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.500
more than that. But it's truly unique. And these

00:45:15.500 --> 00:45:17.679
guys at Recover Tactical do stuff that nobody

00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:20.320
else has. I haven't seen any place else. I did

00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.340
see one of the company. There was one of the

00:45:22.340 --> 00:45:24.699
company that made similar folding stocks and

00:45:24.699 --> 00:45:27.440
stuff like that for pistols, but they only had

00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.780
two pistols that they did it for. One was a Sig

00:45:29.780 --> 00:45:33.260
P365. I don't remember what the other one was.

00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:36.940
And their stuff was a lot more expensive for

00:45:36.940 --> 00:45:42.199
one thing. And frankly, wasn't better. I didn't

00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:44.460
think. In fact, I'm not even sure it was as good.

00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.820
So what else did you see, Ken, that you want

00:45:46.820 --> 00:45:48.550
to talk about? Well, one of the things that I

00:45:48.550 --> 00:45:50.730
really liked, and they're actually from San Diego

00:45:50.730 --> 00:45:53.949
company out here in San Diego County anyway,

00:45:54.090 --> 00:45:57.750
which was Core Tactical, or I guess they're Core

00:45:57.750 --> 00:46:01.469
Essentials. That's K -O -R -E. They make gun

00:46:01.469 --> 00:46:06.409
belts. They're from San Diego. They are? They're

00:46:06.409 --> 00:46:10.050
in Santee. Yeah. I did not know that. Core Essentials.

00:46:10.070 --> 00:46:13.599
They make these gun belts, which are... It's

00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.280
really, you know, perfectly stiff, which is what

00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:18.920
you want on a gun belt. Perfect for, you know,

00:46:18.940 --> 00:46:21.440
attaching a holster, whether that be inside the

00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:25.139
waistband or outside the waistband holster. And

00:46:25.139 --> 00:46:27.000
the neat thing about them is they have a ratcheting

00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.099
part to it on the front of it. So normally when

00:46:30.099 --> 00:46:32.320
you have a typical belt, there are little holes

00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:33.840
that are punched in your belt. You've all seen

00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.239
it. You probably have a half -thousand -minute

00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.619
closet. You know, but you're limited in them,

00:46:38.619 --> 00:46:40.139
and the holes are punched about an inch apart

00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:43.539
or so. The great thing about these Core Essentials

00:46:43.539 --> 00:46:46.460
belts is that they have a ratchet built into

00:46:46.460 --> 00:46:49.179
the belt. So basically, there aren't any holes

00:46:49.179 --> 00:46:51.159
in the belt. This is an internal ratchet. You

00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:53.119
can't even see on the outside. But it slides

00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.320
into their proprietary belt buckle, I guess you'd

00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.280
call it. And it goes click. And if you want it

00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.639
a quarter inch tighter, sometimes you just want

00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:02.380
a quarter inch tighter. And that would be like

00:47:02.380 --> 00:47:04.300
two clicks. I think they're eighth inch or something

00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:07.900
like that. Something like that. It's very nice.

00:47:08.860 --> 00:47:11.179
Because sometimes an inch is a bad, it's either

00:47:11.179 --> 00:47:13.760
too loose or it's too tight. And there's nothing

00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.639
in between. Right. Right. And these Core Essentials

00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.219
belts are extremely well made. They come in different

00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:23.039
styles and colors. I mean, to be honest with

00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.699
you, I've been wearing mine now. I got one there

00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:27.719
at the show and I've been wearing mine now for

00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.380
about three weeks. I've got one too. Yeah. I'm

00:47:30.380 --> 00:47:32.960
using it for a tech con this year. And they're

00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.460
good looking belts, guys. I mean, if you don't

00:47:35.460 --> 00:47:38.269
want to look, I mean. Okay, if you're in the

00:47:38.269 --> 00:47:42.090
trade and you want to look like tactical, I'm

00:47:42.090 --> 00:47:44.030
not saying that in a bad way. I mean, it's just

00:47:44.030 --> 00:47:46.769
that's how you dress. Cool. They got a lot of

00:47:46.769 --> 00:47:48.849
stuff like that. But if really what you want

00:47:48.849 --> 00:47:53.150
is more of like a business attire look or something,

00:47:53.269 --> 00:47:56.750
they make that too. So that's a good call there,

00:47:56.829 --> 00:47:59.349
man. I hadn't even known that they were in San

00:47:59.349 --> 00:48:02.570
Diego or not literally San Diego, but San Diego

00:48:02.570 --> 00:48:04.650
County. San Diego County, not too far from here,

00:48:04.670 --> 00:48:07.030
not too far from me. Other friends that we saw

00:48:07.030 --> 00:48:10.389
at the show, Vantage Point, we've mentioned them

00:48:10.389 --> 00:48:14.389
before. We still have yet to test their product.

00:48:14.809 --> 00:48:17.949
which we will be doing, and we will be featuring

00:48:17.949 --> 00:48:20.730
them on an upcoming show. One of the nice things

00:48:20.730 --> 00:48:22.789
about Vantage Point, what does Vantage Point

00:48:22.789 --> 00:48:26.449
do? They have two different divisions. One does

00:48:26.449 --> 00:48:29.809
archery products, and neither Ken or I are archers.

00:48:30.590 --> 00:48:34.269
We don't have anything against archery. We just

00:48:34.269 --> 00:48:37.050
haven't really done it. So it's not really our

00:48:37.050 --> 00:48:40.250
thing. But they do make a lot of very nice broadheads

00:48:40.250 --> 00:48:43.820
and things like that. What we're interested in

00:48:43.820 --> 00:48:48.360
on the gun side of the house are their compensators,

00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:51.239
because the compensator that they make is attached

00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:55.260
to the rail of the gun. Right. So it doesn't

00:48:55.260 --> 00:48:58.179
require a threaded barrel. It's easily taken

00:48:58.179 --> 00:49:01.159
on and off. And they're, you know, relatively

00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.559
speaking, inexpensive. And they don't really

00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:07.059
add much, if any, they do add some length to

00:49:07.059 --> 00:49:10.900
the gun, but very, very minimal. And they've

00:49:10.900 --> 00:49:14.119
added now more options because when they first

00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.519
came out, not surprising, they were sort of limited

00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.119
in the number of offerings that they had. And

00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.699
that offering is now expanding. They're up to

00:49:22.699 --> 00:49:26.860
quite a few of guns now that very likely, if

00:49:26.860 --> 00:49:29.079
you're looking for something, they probably have

00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:33.099
it. So I'm trying to figure out how are we going

00:49:33.099 --> 00:49:36.179
to, because being an engineer, I've been like,

00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.380
I don't think listeners probably appreciate.

00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.980
like how do i go to sleep at night i lie in bed

00:49:41.980 --> 00:49:43.840
and i try to imagine how am i going to come up

00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.000
with a rig that's going to test this properly

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.699
and they're thinking god what a loser spending

00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:52.840
your time trying to come up with stuff like that

00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:58.219
well why because you know testing a comp is both

00:49:58.219 --> 00:50:00.719
the rearward motion and the downward motion and

00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:05.280
doing that on a jig is not really something you

00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.280
can do correctly. And I've been trying to come

00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.940
up with a way to do this objectively. So maybe

00:50:10.940 --> 00:50:14.199
I should just give up and just do it subjectively

00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:17.039
and said, yep, this is a lot better, but I don't

00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:20.739
know. Talking about objectivity, though, one

00:50:20.739 --> 00:50:23.420
thing that we did get to try at Industry Day,

00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.860
Ken and I both got to shoot this, was Cimex ammunition.

00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:31.039
Yep. Which is, in fact, you touched on this,

00:50:31.059 --> 00:50:33.760
Ken. In a previous show, you were talking not

00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.280
about SimEx per se, but you were talking about

00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.960
high -speed ammunition with very light green

00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.039
weight. Yeah, Liberty ammunition, yes. Exactly.

00:50:43.179 --> 00:50:45.619
And that's what SimEx is predicated on. SimEx

00:50:45.619 --> 00:50:47.679
is predicated on the idea that you're going to

00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:52.219
hit something very, very fast with minimal penetration.

00:50:52.420 --> 00:50:58.099
So does it meet the FBI standard? No. Is it supposed

00:50:58.099 --> 00:51:02.820
to? Nope. Not supposed to. Because their theory

00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:06.280
is, and I'm not going to say it's an untested

00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.980
theory. That would be wrong. And we're going

00:51:08.980 --> 00:51:10.960
to have the president of the company on. He's

00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:15.260
agreed to join us as a guest to talk about really

00:51:15.260 --> 00:51:19.530
what the core process is. of incapacitation.

00:51:19.849 --> 00:51:21.750
Because he told me a story. I'm not going to

00:51:21.750 --> 00:51:23.409
repeat it here because I don't want to take away

00:51:23.409 --> 00:51:26.929
his thunder on this. But he told me a story about

00:51:26.929 --> 00:51:29.170
a certain coroner's office that called them up

00:51:29.170 --> 00:51:33.050
after an engagement with SimEx ammunition. People

00:51:33.050 --> 00:51:35.050
will want to listen to that story when it comes

00:51:35.050 --> 00:51:37.130
in. But you know, I was thinking, what's a good

00:51:37.130 --> 00:51:39.710
analogy to that? And it's not a perfect analogy.

00:51:39.969 --> 00:51:42.389
Well, you talk about energy transfer. How did

00:51:42.389 --> 00:51:44.869
the dinosaurs die? The dinosaurs died because

00:51:44.869 --> 00:51:47.489
an asteroid hit the Earth. And the asteroid...

00:51:47.739 --> 00:51:49.960
you know, imparted so much energy to the planet

00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.940
that it basically cooked the surface of the planet,

00:51:53.059 --> 00:51:55.519
certainly in the immediate area. And then it

00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:58.179
threw up so much ash and things like that, that

00:51:58.179 --> 00:52:01.659
it changed the... Nuclear winter, yeah. It changed

00:52:01.659 --> 00:52:04.559
the weather enough that basically most things

00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:09.000
starved after that. Was that a momentum transfer

00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.780
or was that kinetic energy transfer? And I'll

00:52:11.780 --> 00:52:14.280
give you the answer to the question. It was kinetic

00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:17.659
energy. In other words... the velocity mattered

00:52:17.659 --> 00:52:19.739
more than the mass. Because if you look at the

00:52:19.739 --> 00:52:21.940
mass of the Earth versus the mass of the asteroid,

00:52:22.099 --> 00:52:23.840
you'd think, that thing can't do anything to

00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:26.659
the Earth. Well, yeah, it can when the velocity

00:52:26.659 --> 00:52:30.260
is high enough. Because the velocity is a square

00:52:30.260 --> 00:52:33.460
function when it comes to kinetic energy transfer.

00:52:33.659 --> 00:52:36.380
And that's the same thing. I'm not saying that

00:52:36.380 --> 00:52:39.039
you're going to cause nuclear winter by shooting

00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.380
someone with SimEx ammunition. You certainly

00:52:41.380 --> 00:52:44.860
won't. But if it causes rapid incapacitation,

00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:49.340
That's really the goal, right? That's what you're

00:52:49.340 --> 00:52:51.739
getting at with get the round there. It's not

00:52:51.739 --> 00:52:54.159
that you're going to save time. The difference

00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.960
over 50 yards between 1 ,100 feet per second

00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:00.679
and 2 ,000 feet per second is not, in human terms,

00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.400
very measurable. But if it causes that incapacitation

00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.360
because the round is going faster, that's what's

00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:11.440
going to matter. Also at industry day, there

00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:14.960
was a product there that was by a company called

00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:19.840
Grit Grips. So G -R -I -T -G -R -I -P -S. And

00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.880
what's Grit Grips? Grit Grips is a company that's

00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:28.699
making a frame for the Glock that has a superb,

00:53:28.860 --> 00:53:31.739
I think I did talk about this before, but a superb

00:53:31.739 --> 00:53:36.940
directional pattern. embossed into the grip that

00:53:36.940 --> 00:53:40.719
when you're let's say you rub up against it unlike

00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.159
let's say certain generations of glocks that

00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.559
were a problem because they would wear out your

00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:48.340
clothes and wear out your skin or if you have

00:53:48.340 --> 00:53:50.820
certain other types of grips that are very very

00:53:50.820 --> 00:53:52.940
aggressive that can be very uncomfortable because

00:53:52.940 --> 00:53:55.809
they're so aggressive This isn't aggressive at

00:53:55.809 --> 00:53:58.150
all when you rub it, but if you put your hand

00:53:58.150 --> 00:54:02.030
on it and squeeze, it locks into your hand, and

00:54:02.030 --> 00:54:05.929
it's really quite amazing how good this is. So

00:54:05.929 --> 00:54:09.230
why is this a value proposition for us? Because

00:54:09.230 --> 00:54:13.409
Grit Grips is selling their frame that will simply

00:54:13.409 --> 00:54:17.630
swap the frame out for your Glock for $70. And

00:54:17.630 --> 00:54:20.949
when I asked him about the price, I'm like, $70?

00:54:21.130 --> 00:54:23.590
Like, I thought he was going to say... you know,

00:54:23.590 --> 00:54:28.190
270, or maybe at the low end, 170. Nope, 70,

00:54:28.369 --> 00:54:33.269
7 -0. Now, is it a new gun? Yeah, technically

00:54:33.269 --> 00:54:35.769
it's a new gun. Yes, it is, yeah. Because it

00:54:35.769 --> 00:54:39.429
has a serial number, because it isn't something

00:54:39.429 --> 00:54:42.650
like, let's say on the Recover Tactical products

00:54:42.650 --> 00:54:45.469
that would add a rail to your Glock or something,

00:54:45.650 --> 00:54:49.320
it just has a cutout. You can see... the original

00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.420
serial number through a window, but you can't

00:54:52.420 --> 00:54:55.179
do that. I mean, grit grips, since it has to

00:54:55.179 --> 00:54:59.719
replace the entire grip on a polymer handgun,

00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:01.760
the only way that's going to happen is replace

00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:03.940
the entire frame and therefore it's a new gun.

00:55:04.059 --> 00:55:05.539
So what's part of the cost? Well, part of the

00:55:05.539 --> 00:55:09.320
cost is the dross and, you know, using an FFL.

00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:12.000
So there's a couple extra costs here, but still,

00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:18.190
I mean, as an alternative to a Glock Gen 6. Which,

00:55:18.210 --> 00:55:20.969
by the way, has, I think, a fantastic feel to

00:55:20.969 --> 00:55:24.190
it. Oh, yeah. But I can do it for $70. Right.

00:55:24.269 --> 00:55:26.329
And I'm not voiding. I don't know if you guys

00:55:26.329 --> 00:55:30.010
know this out there in listener land. If you

00:55:30.010 --> 00:55:34.030
stipple your Glock, I think, I'm not 100 % sure

00:55:34.030 --> 00:55:36.469
on this, I think you void your warranty. Could

00:55:36.469 --> 00:55:38.510
very well be. I wouldn't doubt it. If you're

00:55:38.510 --> 00:55:40.829
modifying the frame of a Glock, what warranty

00:55:40.829 --> 00:55:44.369
you have, you've left behind. I think that's

00:55:44.369 --> 00:55:47.530
true. So, grit grips, you're not voiding anything

00:55:47.530 --> 00:55:49.369
because you're simply swapping the grip out.

00:55:49.630 --> 00:55:52.829
Right. So, that was a fantastic product. What

00:55:52.829 --> 00:55:56.670
was another one? Remember, going back some episodes,

00:55:56.869 --> 00:55:59.429
full spectrum lighting. Absolutely. Remember,

00:55:59.469 --> 00:56:02.690
Ken, refresh people on what was the advantage

00:56:02.690 --> 00:56:04.489
of full spectrum lighting. Full spectrum lighting

00:56:04.489 --> 00:56:07.289
was basically, it's 180 degree light. I mean,

00:56:07.349 --> 00:56:10.150
when you click down on it, it has a bright center

00:56:10.150 --> 00:56:12.920
beam. Okay, that's wonderful. But it will also

00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:17.239
illuminate completely, 180 degrees from left

00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.440
to right. So if you walk into a dark room, for

00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:23.820
example, and you actuate the light, you get a

00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:25.579
nice center one right out in front of you where

00:56:25.579 --> 00:56:28.300
the round is going to go. But you've also illuminated

00:56:28.300 --> 00:56:30.579
the whole room. I mean, not super bright, but

00:56:30.579 --> 00:56:32.260
you could see if somebody was standing there

00:56:32.260 --> 00:56:34.460
on your left or your right. So it gives you tactical

00:56:34.460 --> 00:56:37.860
awareness in a situation. So if you heard bump

00:56:37.860 --> 00:56:39.739
in the night and you had to go down and investigate

00:56:39.739 --> 00:56:41.119
your house or something, you think somebody might

00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:45.420
be inside. This is a way of illuminating the

00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:49.500
whole area, which is great. Fantastic. And now

00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:52.460
I don't know if you got to their booth, but Roy,

00:56:52.579 --> 00:56:54.679
the president of the company was their founder

00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:57.539
and he had the idea and everything else. He was

00:56:57.539 --> 00:56:59.940
there and he had set, he had used his booth space

00:56:59.940 --> 00:57:02.840
to set up basically a little shoot room. Everything

00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:06.210
in that room was dark. Except he left a few shipping

00:57:06.210 --> 00:57:09.010
boxes and things like that in there as props

00:57:09.010 --> 00:57:12.110
for people to hide behind. And the version that

00:57:12.110 --> 00:57:13.889
he has now, which is the production version,

00:57:14.090 --> 00:57:16.070
because we hadn't even seen the production version.

00:57:16.210 --> 00:57:19.690
What we saw and did our show about was a pre

00:57:19.690 --> 00:57:21.530
-production version that wasn't as good as the

00:57:21.530 --> 00:57:24.030
production version. The production version basically

00:57:24.030 --> 00:57:26.550
almost is as bright to the sides now as it is

00:57:26.550 --> 00:57:30.869
up front. It's really remarkable. And I played

00:57:30.869 --> 00:57:32.889
the role of not only shooter, but I played the

00:57:32.889 --> 00:57:35.670
hiding person as well when I went in there. And

00:57:35.670 --> 00:57:38.429
when you see it, you know, this person might

00:57:38.429 --> 00:57:40.969
be looking 90 degrees away from you. You think

00:57:40.969 --> 00:57:43.349
they're looking at you because there's an LED

00:57:43.349 --> 00:57:46.869
literally facing you. It's not just that one

00:57:46.869 --> 00:57:50.610
LED is being spread widely. It's multiple LEDs

00:57:50.610 --> 00:57:54.599
and some of them are covering the flanks. you

00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:57.219
know, you're very well illuminated and it's like

00:57:57.219 --> 00:57:59.260
nothing. It's like no other light out there.

00:57:59.340 --> 00:58:03.360
And Olight has a really neat new light, but it's

00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.699
more conventional in its approach. Full spectrum

00:58:06.699 --> 00:58:09.860
lighting's approach is completely different.

00:58:09.940 --> 00:58:12.460
And gosh, I can tell you what, if you're in law

00:58:12.460 --> 00:58:16.320
enforcement, I mean, I can't understand not having

00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:19.639
this. And like you said, home defense, it's just.

00:58:19.980 --> 00:58:22.760
I almost don't think there's another option.

00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.239
Is it going to be expensive? Yeah, arguably,

00:58:25.300 --> 00:58:29.000
yes. Because it's so different, absolutely, absolutely

00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:33.639
worth it. Right. Speaking of expensive, there's

00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:37.280
a company that I saw on the knives side, Stroop

00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:41.119
Knives, S -T -R -O -U -P Knives. Some of the

00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:44.199
nicest knives I've ever seen in production that

00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:48.000
were factory knives, but kind of costy. I mean,

00:58:48.019 --> 00:58:50.820
if you want a good tactical knife and something

00:58:50.820 --> 00:58:53.840
that feels amazing in your hands and you're willing

00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.619
to spend, you know, north of 200, possibly three,

00:58:56.699 --> 00:58:59.739
$400 on a knife. Absolutely. I would go to strope

00:58:59.739 --> 00:59:01.760
knives. You want to save a little bit of money?

00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:06.400
Boker. I have owned a number of Boker products,

00:59:06.619 --> 00:59:09.219
which is they're, they're based in Germany, but

00:59:09.219 --> 00:59:12.000
they also have some Asian manufacturing as well

00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.579
on some of their lower end products. They had

00:59:14.579 --> 00:59:17.360
a knife called the Sigurd and. I hope I'm saying

00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:21.519
that right. S -I -G -U -R -D. So I think it's

00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:27.579
Sigurd 42, which was about as minimal knife as

00:59:27.579 --> 00:59:29.099
you can possibly imagine. I think I'm going to

00:59:29.099 --> 00:59:32.739
drop a link in the show notes to this one. 2

00:59:32.739 --> 00:59:38.860
.16 inch knife, fixed blade. It uses a ring on

00:59:38.860 --> 00:59:42.019
one end. So it's... almost like a karambit, but

00:59:42.019 --> 00:59:44.980
it's straight. And because it's straight, it's

00:59:44.980 --> 00:59:49.219
in an incredibly minimalistic scabbard that you

00:59:49.219 --> 00:59:52.360
could hide pretty much anywhere. And if you ever

00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.260
think about getting, pressure test yourself on

00:59:55.260 --> 00:59:58.559
this, people. If you think that a knife encounter

00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:02.559
is ever realistic in your life, show me how long

01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.119
it takes you to get your pocket knife out. Show

01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:07.179
me how long it takes you to get your folding

01:00:07.179 --> 01:00:10.610
knife out and get it into play. And I think you'll

01:00:10.610 --> 01:00:14.230
find out that you're going to lose that encounter.

01:00:14.809 --> 01:00:19.610
If you don't have a fixed blade knife in a position

01:00:19.610 --> 01:00:22.789
where you can get to it very quickly, you're

01:00:22.789 --> 01:00:26.789
on the back foot or you're on the ground. And

01:00:26.789 --> 01:00:29.250
both of those are bad things. You're talking

01:00:29.250 --> 01:00:34.079
about knives that are of good value. Ones that

01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:36.179
I've always liked, and I have several of them

01:00:36.179 --> 01:00:39.300
in various bags and so forth that I carry, are

01:00:39.300 --> 01:00:43.360
Amora knives, the M -O -R -A. Okay. Amora knives,

01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.539
which I think are tremendous value. Generally

01:00:47.539 --> 01:00:51.980
speaking, you know, anywhere from $20 to $50

01:00:51.980 --> 01:00:55.659
or $75, they come in blue steel or, yeah, standard

01:00:55.659 --> 01:00:59.980
steel or in stainless steel variations, different

01:00:59.980 --> 01:01:02.840
colors and so forth. I really like them. I think

01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.179
they're a great value as well. So another one

01:01:05.179 --> 01:01:08.039
I'd recommend. Talking about great values, if

01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:10.300
you recall back, I think it was, gosh, I want

01:01:10.300 --> 01:01:12.920
to say it was episode four when we had Kyle Wade

01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.679
from Anderson Manufacturing on. Oh, yes. Well,

01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:19.659
does everyone know out there, rhetorical question,

01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:23.400
because we can't hear our audience talking back

01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:28.019
to us, that Anderson was closed down. Anderson

01:01:28.019 --> 01:01:32.750
Manufacturing was sold to? Ruger. Ruger. Because

01:01:32.750 --> 01:01:37.789
I think, again, I'm not sure, I think that Ruger

01:01:37.789 --> 01:01:42.710
needed extra manufacturing capability. And they

01:01:42.710 --> 01:01:46.429
also maybe, this is a way to get rid of competition

01:01:46.429 --> 01:01:50.389
at the low end, right? By buying the competition.

01:01:50.789 --> 01:01:56.469
Well, some of the guys from Anderson came out

01:01:56.469 --> 01:02:00.150
the other side and started a company called One

01:02:00.150 --> 01:02:02.900
Horse. So there's a little bit of a, you know,

01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:05.300
you think about the pony that was on the Anderson

01:02:05.300 --> 01:02:08.199
manufacturing. Well, now they have one horse.

01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.179
So I think that what's going to happen is that

01:02:10.179 --> 01:02:13.380
one horse is going to be a disruptor in the industry

01:02:13.380 --> 01:02:16.059
because now there's going to be a reintroduction

01:02:16.059 --> 01:02:20.480
of value -focused AR -15 parts and other products

01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.400
that are just going to, you know, migrate as

01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:25.920
they grow the business. They're really going

01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:30.289
to... reset the table on value because I think

01:02:30.289 --> 01:02:33.230
a lot of people lamented the loss of Anderson

01:02:33.230 --> 01:02:36.969
because, I mean, if you didn't know people, whether

01:02:36.969 --> 01:02:39.730
you were thinking that Anderson was for people

01:02:39.730 --> 01:02:42.889
who, you know, don't want a quality product,

01:02:43.329 --> 01:02:46.130
well, they were making a lot of stuff for a lot

01:02:46.130 --> 01:02:49.469
of other people. And if you look at the ATF records,

01:02:49.690 --> 01:02:53.150
there's an awful lot of ARs out there that are

01:02:53.150 --> 01:02:56.739
using Anderson lowers that were just fine. Anderson

01:02:56.739 --> 01:02:58.920
lowers are great. I mean, you know, obviously

01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.659
they're now going to be Ruger branded, but that's

01:03:01.659 --> 01:03:03.619
fine. I don't even know if Ruger is using it

01:03:03.619 --> 01:03:06.250
for that purpose. I don't know what they use

01:03:06.250 --> 01:03:07.710
them. Yeah. They could have bought, they could

01:03:07.710 --> 01:03:09.289
have bought the machinery for who knows what.

01:03:09.369 --> 01:03:11.530
Yeah. But no, I had no problem with Anderson

01:03:11.530 --> 01:03:14.030
receivers. They were, they're very good. You

01:03:14.030 --> 01:03:15.969
know, I've owned several of them myself. One

01:03:15.969 --> 01:03:18.809
horse is now the, the remnants of Anderson and

01:03:18.809 --> 01:03:21.389
you know, maybe, maybe in a better way, I think

01:03:21.389 --> 01:03:23.690
that they learned some lessons from what happened

01:03:23.690 --> 01:03:25.750
at Anderson and maybe they don't make, if there

01:03:25.750 --> 01:03:27.809
were mistakes made, they don't repeat those mistakes.

01:03:28.230 --> 01:03:31.199
Right. Uh, let's see what else. Well, we talked

01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:36.639
about before that the show was dominated by suppressors.

01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:39.280
By suppressors. Everything was about suppressors.

01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:41.820
That was mainly because of the passage of the

01:03:41.820 --> 01:03:44.940
One Big Beautiful Bill last year. Right. And

01:03:44.940 --> 01:03:48.500
that basically took away the National Firearms

01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:55.719
Act, the NFA, $200 tax for short -barreled shotguns

01:03:55.719 --> 01:04:00.170
and rifles and all of this type of thing. So

01:04:00.170 --> 01:04:02.969
basically, it was a tremendous decision, but

01:04:02.969 --> 01:04:06.170
they unfortunately kept the requirement for still

01:04:06.170 --> 01:04:08.070
having to be fingerprinted, background checked,

01:04:08.269 --> 01:04:09.670
and blah, blah, blah, the rest of the stuff.

01:04:10.010 --> 01:04:13.150
But the whole theme of the show was because now

01:04:13.150 --> 01:04:17.980
there's no $200 tax on suppressors. Everybody

01:04:17.980 --> 01:04:20.820
and their grandmother was selling a suppressor.

01:04:20.820 --> 01:04:24.039
I think there were around 70 or so different

01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:26.699
manufacturers there. Were there that many? I

01:04:26.699 --> 01:04:30.179
didn't know that. Yeah, 70 manufacturers, all

01:04:30.179 --> 01:04:32.619
with their own suppressors. Now, some of them

01:04:32.619 --> 01:04:35.300
were there before, though. Oh, true, true. Like

01:04:35.300 --> 01:04:39.340
YHM. But the market has just exploded. Yeah,

01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:42.159
Yankee Hill Machine, YHM, has their own. And

01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:43.739
we interviewed with them and talked to them.

01:04:44.420 --> 01:04:46.880
Great company, by the way. Great company. Yeah,

01:04:46.900 --> 01:04:48.760
great company. Yeah, absolutely recommending

01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:51.079
them. And we're going to have their president,

01:04:51.179 --> 01:04:56.559
Chris, on again in that show. I'm told that he

01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:59.400
wants to really talk about ASA, which is the

01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.000
American Suppressor Association. So it's going

01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:05.820
to be less a show about YHM products and more

01:05:05.820 --> 01:05:10.380
a show about progress in the... Why can't I say

01:05:10.380 --> 01:05:12.760
that? That is so hard to say for some reason.

01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:17.860
Progress in the... Oh, my gosh. Progress in the

01:05:17.860 --> 01:05:21.500
suppressor space. Man, try to do that a few times.

01:05:21.579 --> 01:05:24.059
Can you say that faster than me? Projects in

01:05:24.059 --> 01:05:27.679
the suppressor space. There you go. Okay, thank

01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:29.860
you for that. And that's the great thing. If

01:05:29.860 --> 01:05:31.980
you're fortunate to live in one of the, I think

01:05:31.980 --> 01:05:35.199
it's like 40 states, I don't know how many, 38,

01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:39.760
40 states, that allow suppressors, go out and

01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:42.719
buy one. Yeah, before they change their mind.

01:05:42.980 --> 01:05:45.239
Yeah, go out and buy one. And yeah, you got to

01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:48.519
go through the registration process. But that's

01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:51.139
a safety equipment. We talk about frugal firearms.

01:05:51.380 --> 01:05:53.599
There's nothing that you should be, you never

01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:56.280
skimp on safety equipment. And in my opinion,

01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:59.420
a suppressor is safety equipment. It's the same

01:05:59.420 --> 01:06:02.260
thing as earplugs or earmuffs if you're going

01:06:02.260 --> 01:06:04.739
to the range. And it's a phenomenal thing to

01:06:04.739 --> 01:06:08.750
have. Sadly, Craig and I live in California,

01:06:08.969 --> 01:06:10.550
so California is going to fight it tooth and

01:06:10.550 --> 01:06:13.070
nail, you know, because they don't want anybody

01:06:13.070 --> 01:06:16.389
to have any firearms and no suppressors. So it's

01:06:16.389 --> 01:06:18.070
not something that's open to us at this point

01:06:18.070 --> 01:06:20.130
in time. But if it ever does become open to us,

01:06:20.190 --> 01:06:23.409
I'll be right in line to get one or more suppressors.

01:06:23.429 --> 01:06:24.969
It would be very nice. Well, if you're talking

01:06:24.969 --> 01:06:27.429
about safety gear, too, let's not forget our

01:06:27.429 --> 01:06:30.130
show that we did, you know, with Rescue Essentials

01:06:30.130 --> 01:06:33.949
and Dr. Dana Onifer. If you haven't listened

01:06:33.949 --> 01:06:35.949
to that show, go back and find that show because

01:06:35.949 --> 01:06:39.429
that's a very important, I mean, critically important

01:06:39.429 --> 01:06:42.269
show. Yeah, if you're into safety and you're

01:06:42.269 --> 01:06:44.170
in a range and you're in one of the free states,

01:06:44.429 --> 01:06:47.550
definitely every range bag should have one or

01:06:47.550 --> 01:06:50.269
more tourniquets in it, which is what we talked

01:06:50.269 --> 01:06:52.409
about in a previous show. But from a hearing

01:06:52.409 --> 01:06:56.349
protection perspective, a suppressor is a tremendous

01:06:56.349 --> 01:06:59.559
advantage. The reason why California and these

01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:01.880
other states are against it is absolutely mind

01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:04.219
baffling to me. I don't understand it. That's

01:07:04.219 --> 01:07:05.840
because you're a thinking person, Ken. You're

01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:08.280
not going to be able, don't try to rationalize

01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:10.820
something that irrational people do. Yeah, it's

01:07:10.820 --> 01:07:12.780
like if they didn't like automobiles and they

01:07:12.780 --> 01:07:14.500
wanted to get rid of automobiles, they would

01:07:14.500 --> 01:07:17.699
ban steel -belted radial tires. They'd ban disc

01:07:17.699 --> 01:07:23.599
brakes. They'd ban seatbelts. All of these safety

01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:26.480
things that we have in automobiles today, airbags,

01:07:26.619 --> 01:07:28.860
they'd ban the use of airbags. Yeah, but do criminals

01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:30.719
use seatbelts in their cars and disc brakes?

01:07:32.829 --> 01:07:35.389
Exactly. It's like, why would you ban airbags

01:07:35.389 --> 01:07:38.630
and seatbelts? Same exact principles. Why would

01:07:38.630 --> 01:07:41.070
you ban sound suppressors, which are protecting

01:07:41.070 --> 01:07:45.010
people's hearing? Why? Well, let's be careful,

01:07:45.210 --> 01:07:50.469
though, because Chris said that he drank the

01:07:50.469 --> 01:07:52.969
Kool -Aid. And by the way, you guys know it wasn't

01:07:52.969 --> 01:07:57.030
Kool -Aid, right? Jonestown, it was a product

01:07:57.030 --> 01:08:00.429
called Flavor Aid. It wasn't Kool -Aid. Moving

01:08:00.429 --> 01:08:06.530
on, moving on. That he himself, a guy who makes

01:08:06.530 --> 01:08:11.230
really good suppressors for a living, has suffered

01:08:11.230 --> 01:08:14.789
hearing loss. Why? Because he drank the Kool

01:08:14.789 --> 01:08:18.569
-Aid, as they say, about, well, it's hearing

01:08:18.569 --> 01:08:22.550
safe. It's not. I mean, if you're knocking something

01:08:22.550 --> 01:08:27.229
down to, let's say, from 165 down to 135 decibels,

01:08:27.289 --> 01:08:29.930
you've taken out 30 decibels, which is a tremendous

01:08:29.930 --> 01:08:33.270
amount of energy that you've taken out. But it

01:08:33.270 --> 01:08:35.789
accumulates. It's still damaging. It accumulates

01:08:35.789 --> 01:08:38.970
over time. So it doesn't mean that you shouldn't

01:08:38.970 --> 01:08:41.310
wear hearing protection, but it does make it.

01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:43.880
just a lot more pleasant but right okay so what

01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:46.520
is my best of show value i'm jumping ahead here

01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:48.899
right okay i i mean i'll repeat it at the end

01:08:48.899 --> 01:08:53.199
there i have two best of shows um as far as value

01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:55.439
goes. One of them is Grit Grips. I didn't mention

01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:58.319
that. Grit Grips is 70 bucks for a new frame

01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:00.859
for your Glock that makes it feel amazing, has

01:09:00.859 --> 01:09:02.840
all the undercuts, all the stuff that you would

01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:05.640
do to the thing if you tried to hit it with your

01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:08.260
own Dremel and then screw the thing up yourself.

01:09:09.260 --> 01:09:11.640
They've already done this for you and have got

01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:16.039
it right completely. That, to me, is tied for

01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:18.199
the best value of the show. The other best value

01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:21.960
of the show were the Lyman suppressors. and again

01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:25.239
lyman what do you know them from reloading equipment

01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:27.619
reloading equipment and accessories and stuff

01:09:27.619 --> 01:09:31.800
so they partnered with a company in europe that

01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:35.600
makes suppressors so they're bringing in a suppressor

01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:38.300
that was already a product in europe modular

01:09:38.300 --> 01:09:42.039
suppressor super easy to take apart in fact it

01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:44.899
has an interesting design there's little cones

01:09:44.899 --> 01:09:48.090
inside Not surprisingly, but these cones are

01:09:48.090 --> 01:09:50.229
all part of the individual baffles that unscrew.

01:09:50.649 --> 01:09:53.210
It has a little bit of a twist in it. The twist

01:09:53.210 --> 01:09:55.970
is in a direction that causes the threads to

01:09:55.970 --> 01:09:59.329
tighten as you shoot. So the thing won't self

01:09:59.329 --> 01:10:02.550
-loosen. It'll self -tighten in case you didn't

01:10:02.550 --> 01:10:04.649
have it tight enough. So it won't come apart

01:10:04.649 --> 01:10:09.109
after a while. And, okay, is it as good as...

01:10:09.799 --> 01:10:12.800
Well, I didn't compare it directly to YHM. Is

01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.680
it as good as Ambient Arms that makes a great

01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:21.359
suppressor? For the most part, very close, I

01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.159
thought. Is it as good as Wraith? I think Wraith

01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:26.939
was a little bit better. But the price point

01:10:26.939 --> 01:10:30.779
on the Lyman, if you can buy one of these things

01:10:30.779 --> 01:10:37.529
for $400 or $300 or $200? It's kind of hard not

01:10:37.529 --> 01:10:39.850
to do that. I mean, you don't really have an

01:10:39.850 --> 01:10:43.890
excuse not to buy it. Right. And again, the laws

01:10:43.890 --> 01:10:46.489
can change in the wrong direction again, folks.

01:10:46.609 --> 01:10:48.390
And if you don't go out and buy a suppressor

01:10:48.390 --> 01:10:51.909
while the opportunity is there, I mean, don't

01:10:51.909 --> 01:10:54.989
come crying to us if it doesn't work out for

01:10:54.989 --> 01:10:57.710
you in the future. Right. Highly recommended

01:10:57.710 --> 01:11:01.109
that those of you in these wonderful United States

01:11:01.109 --> 01:11:03.170
that are allowed to have suppressors, go out

01:11:03.170 --> 01:11:05.600
and buy one. It's a safety equipment. What's

01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:10.899
another thing that I saw that was a, not a safety

01:11:10.899 --> 01:11:14.399
item, but really a great tactical item? And maybe

01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:17.600
safety in the sense that it keeps your primary

01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:19.840
weapon out of the way if you have to go to your

01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.039
secondary, or it makes carrying your primary

01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:27.420
weapon so much easier. It was a, I think it was

01:11:27.420 --> 01:11:29.840
a prototype unit. It's from a company called

01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:34.050
Mantis Gear. Now, okay, we've talked. at length

01:11:34.050 --> 01:11:38.449
before about Mantis X products. It is not the

01:11:38.449 --> 01:11:43.130
same company. Mantis Gear makes a pulley system

01:11:43.130 --> 01:11:47.170
that has attachments for a MOLLE pack, so you

01:11:47.170 --> 01:11:51.750
can attach it to your web gear. And it runs a

01:11:51.750 --> 01:11:54.229
protected, in other words, it has a sheath around

01:11:54.229 --> 01:11:57.409
it, cable that goes to one of the QD attachment

01:11:57.409 --> 01:12:01.319
points, let's say on your AR. And you can balance

01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:04.380
the amount of force that this thing is trying

01:12:04.380 --> 01:12:07.880
to pull the weapon back. So you want to have

01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:11.399
the weapon high and tight on your chest. It'll

01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:13.319
hold it there. And then there's a little clip

01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:15.079
that they also have that would, let's say, if

01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:16.659
you're right -handed, it will go on your left

01:12:16.659 --> 01:12:18.739
shoulder and it'll hold the fore end of the gun.

01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:22.439
You want to deploy the gun. You simply grab the

01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:24.819
gun and push it out. And as you push it out,

01:12:24.819 --> 01:12:27.970
the... cable will resist a little bit, but it'll

01:12:27.970 --> 01:12:30.170
provide a little bit of tension and you'll be

01:12:30.170 --> 01:12:33.229
able to get the gun into play. You let go, the

01:12:33.229 --> 01:12:36.069
thing just spools right back in. So if you have

01:12:36.069 --> 01:12:39.310
to go to your secondary weapon, now you don't

01:12:39.310 --> 01:12:41.130
have to worry about a sling. The thing's flopping

01:12:41.130 --> 01:12:42.949
around. It's over your back. It's down by your

01:12:42.949 --> 01:12:46.369
side. Vastly, vastly better than anything else

01:12:46.369 --> 01:12:49.909
I've seen that handles just the management of

01:12:49.909 --> 01:12:51.810
the weapon. And again, probably something I'm

01:12:51.810 --> 01:12:54.090
going to point out to the guys over at Accessible

01:12:54.090 --> 01:12:57.960
Hunter. You saw a revolver that you want. By

01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:00.060
the way. I do. I'm a revolver guy. Tell them

01:13:00.060 --> 01:13:02.619
what's coming up, too, in our next show. Well,

01:13:02.699 --> 01:13:05.039
we've got a discussion about revolvers, but I

01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:06.340
won't go too much. I don't want to give them

01:13:06.340 --> 01:13:10.420
too much heads up on that, but we're going to

01:13:10.420 --> 01:13:14.039
be talking about revolvers. Anyway. From a frugal

01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:17.760
perspective, Taurus, which I'm a big advocate

01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:21.840
of, the Taurus has a new model number 327, model

01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:25.640
327 revolver, comes in 2 -inch and 3 -inch, and

01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:30.920
it's basically for the federal 327 federal cartridge.

01:13:31.140 --> 01:13:34.699
But the nice thing about the 327 federal is that

01:13:34.699 --> 01:13:38.079
it is backward or... How would you say it? Or

01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:40.319
there are cartridges that are older than that

01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:43.880
that also fit into a .327 chamber. There are

01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:45.819
actually five cartridges that will fit into it.

01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:49.779
So for people who want to have a, maybe buy a

01:13:49.779 --> 01:13:51.880
single firearm in their life, I think of women

01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:54.159
or people who say, I'm only going to buy one

01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:57.020
gun. That's all I need. Okay, I get it. Well,

01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:01.279
you might want to consider this, the Taurus .327.

01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:04.560
The main reason is it'll take the 327 Federal,

01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:08.380
which is a pretty hot, spanking round. It's right

01:14:08.380 --> 01:14:11.199
up there pretty close to the 38 Special Plus

01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:15.220
P power level, just a little bit below that.

01:14:15.500 --> 01:14:18.899
But it'll also chamber and fire 32 H &R Magnum,

01:14:18.899 --> 01:14:21.640
which are a little bit less. Again, we're stepping

01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:25.479
down about 15 % or 20 % in power down to a 327.

01:14:26.460 --> 01:14:29.960
.32 caliber down to the .32 H &R Magnum. Then

01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:32.760
you can step down below that to the .32 Smith

01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:37.199
& Wesson Long, which was the standard pistol

01:14:37.199 --> 01:14:39.439
revolver cartridge in the United States from

01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:44.939
like 1900 to 1930 or something like that. And

01:14:44.939 --> 01:14:47.979
it's still a very popular caliber today. And

01:14:47.979 --> 01:14:50.600
you can get all brand new loadings on .32 Smith

01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:53.260
& Wesson Long from factory as well as they make

01:14:53.260 --> 01:14:55.359
cowboy loadings on it that are even lighter than

01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:58.369
that. And it'll also chamber the .32 Smith &

01:14:58.369 --> 01:15:01.649
Wesson short, which is kind of a rare caliber

01:15:01.649 --> 01:15:03.770
today, granted. But if you had one, it would

01:15:03.770 --> 01:15:07.130
load and it would fire, no problem. As well as

01:15:07.130 --> 01:15:08.909
the other one, which is still very popular, the

01:15:08.909 --> 01:15:13.289
.32 ACP. .32 ACP is a semi -rimmed cartridge

01:15:13.289 --> 01:15:17.810
and thus will fit inside a .327 revolver for

01:15:17.810 --> 01:15:21.449
firing. Anyway, so you get five calibers that

01:15:21.449 --> 01:15:24.989
are literally firing that one gun with no modifications.

01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:28.119
And it's going to come out for how much is it

01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:30.279
going to cost? Oh, it's going to be around that

01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:36.399
$350 to $375 street price. Fair enough. Stainless

01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:38.460
steel. Stainless, so it doesn't rust. That's

01:15:38.460 --> 01:15:42.979
really nice. It also, they had a TOR model, which

01:15:42.979 --> 01:15:46.479
I forgot, sort of a Taurus optical ready something

01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:49.000
or other that comes with a red dot on top if

01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:51.239
you're a person who likes. Red dots, they make

01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:53.060
one right out of the factory. It comes in 2 -inch

01:15:53.060 --> 01:15:55.640
barrels and 3 -inch barrels. I know you do. I'm

01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:59.140
an iron sight guy. I'm going to convert you somehow.

01:15:59.420 --> 01:16:01.579
It's going to happen. You might someday. Well,

01:16:01.619 --> 01:16:04.079
someday. But right now I'm an iron sights guy

01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:05.800
because that's the way I grew up and that's the

01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:09.340
way I like it. But they have an optics -ready

01:16:09.340 --> 01:16:12.800
version of it, and they also have ones with exposed

01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:15.199
hammers and ones with bobbed hammers. So there

01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:17.279
are a bunch of variations of it, and it's out

01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.600
there, and Taurus has a lifetime. repair, um,

01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:23.260
repair warranty, I think on their, on their stuff.

01:16:23.300 --> 01:16:25.460
And I think it's a great revolver at a great

01:16:25.460 --> 01:16:28.260
price. I think that, uh, what I would put it

01:16:28.260 --> 01:16:31.380
in, if I was going to own that weapon, I would

01:16:31.380 --> 01:16:36.159
be looking for an Orpaz holder, holster for it.

01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:40.500
And you think, no, Orpaz, who's that? Orpaz is

01:16:40.500 --> 01:16:43.560
a company that these products are made in Israel.

01:16:44.380 --> 01:16:47.399
And I stopped by their desk and actually I posted

01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:50.680
that video as well. And I saw something that

01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:53.859
I just caught my attention. It was a blue gun

01:16:53.859 --> 01:16:56.899
with a fakie suppressor on it and they had a

01:16:56.899 --> 01:16:58.880
holster for it. And I thought, yeah, I never

01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:02.079
thought about that. Like, how the heck do you

01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:06.079
holster a gun that has a suppressor? Well, these

01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:08.359
guys had a solution. It was like a break forward

01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:11.920
type holster that, you know, clipped around the

01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:15.029
gun. but didn't interfere with the holster or

01:17:15.029 --> 01:17:18.050
the suppressor at all. And then I started looking

01:17:18.050 --> 01:17:20.970
at their stuff, and I thought, my gosh, these

01:17:20.970 --> 01:17:24.350
guys really have some innovation going on. They

01:17:24.350 --> 01:17:27.470
had a couple of their holsters that, again, we're

01:17:27.470 --> 01:17:31.989
hoping to test at some point, that were very

01:17:31.989 --> 01:17:34.369
new to the market. They have a number of different

01:17:34.369 --> 01:17:37.010
ways that they can be configured and, you know,

01:17:37.050 --> 01:17:40.449
literally accoutrements that allow it to attach.

01:17:41.260 --> 01:17:45.159
itself correctly to various guns, but kind of

01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:47.899
generic. Now, not the one, well, the one that

01:17:47.899 --> 01:17:49.739
was for the suppressor, I don't know how many

01:17:49.739 --> 01:17:52.460
frames it would handle, but they had a couple

01:17:52.460 --> 01:17:56.760
holsters that were rather generic and meant for

01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:59.720
different types of lights to be attached. And

01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:02.579
what I did, I took it upon myself to say, you

01:18:02.579 --> 01:18:05.340
know what, this is the first holster I've seen.

01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:09.880
that I think might be, you know, the go -to choice

01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:14.079
for full spectrum lightings light, which by the

01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:16.659
way is already, we already know that it fits

01:18:16.659 --> 01:18:19.439
in a lot of duty holsters that law enforcement

01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.119
uses. That's part of full spectrum lightings.

01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:25.279
Original specification was it had to fit stuff

01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:27.460
that law enforcement already had, but a lot of

01:18:27.460 --> 01:18:29.420
people don't have those holsters. And if you're

01:18:29.420 --> 01:18:32.600
looking for a holster that will fit a broad variety

01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:36.039
of weapon mounted lights and red dots and things

01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:38.640
like that, you know, this little known company

01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:41.039
called Orpahs really seemed to have their stuff

01:18:41.039 --> 01:18:44.539
together. And it was one of those just jewels

01:18:44.539 --> 01:18:47.020
that you find by walking around and just walking

01:18:47.020 --> 01:18:51.260
to every booth. And I never had any intention.

01:18:51.420 --> 01:18:54.479
I didn't know who they were, had no appointment

01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:56.439
with them, anything like that. And I spent a

01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:59.039
heck of a long time talking to these guys. And

01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:02.520
Orpaz is spelled O -R -P -A -Z. That is correct.

01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.739
So go ahead and look those guys up. What was

01:19:05.739 --> 01:19:08.060
another amazing thing that we saw? There was

01:19:08.060 --> 01:19:12.340
right down the hall from Orpaz, there was a company

01:19:12.340 --> 01:19:15.260
that was selling a variety of different products,

01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:18.920
cleaning products primarily. But they had a little

01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:22.340
display right on the corner of their area for

01:19:22.340 --> 01:19:24.619
something called the Rapid Rod, which I'd never

01:19:24.619 --> 01:19:27.140
seen before. And it's made by a company called...

01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:31.840
ATSKO, which is A -T -S -K -O. But if you just

01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:35.859
look up rapid dash rod, so rapid dash rod in

01:19:35.859 --> 01:19:39.020
a Google search, you'll find it. It only weighs

01:19:39.020 --> 01:19:43.739
two ounces. And it is a sectioned aluminum rod

01:19:43.739 --> 01:19:46.819
that has, you know, attachments for like you

01:19:46.819 --> 01:19:50.100
can put a swedge or something like that on the

01:19:50.100 --> 01:19:53.180
end or a patch holder or something along those

01:19:53.180 --> 01:19:55.579
lines. And it's all held together by a cable.

01:19:55.990 --> 01:19:59.170
So as you put the thing together, the cable tightens

01:19:59.170 --> 01:20:01.270
and makes a rigid rod out of it. Now you think,

01:20:01.329 --> 01:20:03.010
well, I've got cleaning rods. Why the hell do

01:20:03.010 --> 01:20:05.789
I need this? Well, do you carry the cleaning

01:20:05.789 --> 01:20:08.369
rod that is long enough to go through your barrel?

01:20:08.670 --> 01:20:12.189
It's a one piece in your kit with you when you

01:20:12.189 --> 01:20:16.010
go to the range. Because if you don't, Ken, you've

01:20:16.010 --> 01:20:17.670
had this happen. I know I've had this happen.

01:20:17.850 --> 01:20:19.970
You get something in your barrel. You can't get

01:20:19.970 --> 01:20:22.310
out. Now you're like, well, I guess my day's

01:20:22.310 --> 01:20:24.680
over. Right, when you get a squib load where

01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:27.140
a projectile lodges itself halfway down your

01:20:27.140 --> 01:20:29.960
barrel. Or just crap in your barrel. Yeah, just

01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:32.159
junk in your barrel, yeah. If you remember how

01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:35.380
Otis started, Otis started because someone was

01:20:35.380 --> 01:20:39.479
out hunting with grandfather and dipped the muzzle

01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:42.779
into the mud, couldn't get the mud out, day was

01:20:42.779 --> 01:20:45.500
over. Well, what does rapid rod do for you? It

01:20:45.500 --> 01:20:47.520
weighs two ounces, it folds up small enough to

01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:49.840
stick in your pocket, and now you've got not

01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:52.180
only a way to clean your gun. you know, at the

01:20:52.180 --> 01:20:55.560
square range, but vastly more importantly, a

01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:58.560
way to get your gun back into service if you're

01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.039
out in the field. Because, I mean, think about

01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:03.220
this. And they even told me a story about people

01:21:03.220 --> 01:21:06.159
who'd gone out on hunts where, you know, you're

01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:08.159
talking thousands and thousands of dollars to

01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:10.600
get guides and days, you know, and you travel

01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:13.680
and everything else. And then the gun goes out

01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:15.560
of service. You're like, does anybody have a

01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:17.920
cleaning rod? Nope. No one's got a cleaning rod.

01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:21.270
Well, I guess we're done with that gun. And how

01:21:21.270 --> 01:21:23.409
disappointing is that? And how expensive is that?

01:21:23.630 --> 01:21:26.810
Right. You can get this thing for $19, you know,

01:21:26.810 --> 01:21:30.750
maybe, or $19 .95, so call it $20. Why wouldn't

01:21:30.750 --> 01:21:35.989
you do that? Another product that we saw, Tag

01:21:35.989 --> 01:21:39.949
Targets, so T -A -G Targets, just spelled normally,

01:21:40.050 --> 01:21:44.520
.ai. as in artificial intelligence yeah why would

01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:47.640
they call their company that because what they

01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:49.760
do is they make a product and this is another

01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:51.920
company that we're going to feature on an upcoming

01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:55.399
show they make a target we don't give away too

01:21:55.399 --> 01:21:58.729
much here that you can configure yourself And

01:21:58.729 --> 01:22:01.210
they're paper targets, but you can basically

01:22:01.210 --> 01:22:02.989
order it to be the way you want it to. And they

01:22:02.989 --> 01:22:05.470
use AI to build these things. So now you have

01:22:05.470 --> 01:22:07.510
shoot and no shoot targets and you can get them

01:22:07.510 --> 01:22:10.689
any way you want. So enough said on that because

01:22:10.689 --> 01:22:13.569
they're going to be an upcoming show. Monstrum,

01:22:13.630 --> 01:22:15.510
did you stop by the Monstrum desk and see the

01:22:15.510 --> 01:22:17.970
new range finder they have? I did not get to

01:22:17.970 --> 01:22:19.829
spend as much time as I wanted there, but Monstrum

01:22:19.829 --> 01:22:21.470
products, if we had them on the show before,

01:22:21.689 --> 01:22:27.109
phenomenal value for optics. Yeah, a really nice

01:22:27.109 --> 01:22:31.550
looking, I mean, clear and kind of an innovative

01:22:31.550 --> 01:22:35.489
approach to a rangefinder that's essentially,

01:22:35.649 --> 01:22:37.890
it's a side saddle type rangefinder. It's not

01:22:37.890 --> 01:22:42.170
built into the optic. In this case, it's an adjunct

01:22:42.170 --> 01:22:44.489
that you would put on a pick rail or attach to

01:22:44.489 --> 01:22:47.510
the side of an optic or something like that,

01:22:47.590 --> 01:22:51.869
that will range. I don't want to quote how far

01:22:51.869 --> 01:22:54.729
it ranges because I've seen rangefinders before

01:22:54.729 --> 01:22:57.409
that say one thing and do something else. in

01:22:57.409 --> 01:22:59.210
terms of they don't go as far as they ought to.

01:22:59.510 --> 01:23:01.710
So we haven't tested this yet, but we're talking

01:23:01.710 --> 01:23:03.229
about a rangefinder that's going to cost $80

01:23:03.229 --> 01:23:08.050
retail, $80 retail. So if you need that for long

01:23:08.050 --> 01:23:10.510
-range shooting and you don't have it, this thing

01:23:10.510 --> 01:23:13.890
weighs just grams. It has a fantastic display.

01:23:14.289 --> 01:23:16.569
So that's going to be another thing that we're

01:23:16.569 --> 01:23:19.069
definitely going to have to get a sample of.

01:23:19.449 --> 01:23:22.310
I'm just going to go buy it. When it comes out,

01:23:22.310 --> 01:23:24.550
I'm going to buy it. Last couple of things I

01:23:24.550 --> 01:23:27.550
wanted to mention. And you guys out there can,

01:23:27.590 --> 01:23:29.970
I don't think you're the biggest sports fan that

01:23:29.970 --> 01:23:33.069
there is, but if you know, if you watch, if you

01:23:33.069 --> 01:23:35.850
watch games where the Gatorade gets dumped on

01:23:35.850 --> 01:23:38.069
the coach, you know, at the end of the game,

01:23:38.090 --> 01:23:41.409
after the team, they do all the time. Yeah. Did

01:23:41.409 --> 01:23:43.350
you know that it's not necessarily Gatorade?

01:23:44.090 --> 01:23:47.890
Did you know that it's, it has a Gatorade label

01:23:47.890 --> 01:23:49.750
on it because there's a contractual agreement

01:23:49.750 --> 01:23:53.369
to have the stuff in a Gatorade container, but

01:23:53.369 --> 01:23:56.449
that it's not necessarily Gatorade. No. Huh.

01:23:56.750 --> 01:24:00.329
Yeah. I didn't know that either until now. The

01:24:00.329 --> 01:24:02.850
company that I stopped by and talked to, and

01:24:02.850 --> 01:24:05.229
I've used their products before. This isn't based

01:24:05.229 --> 01:24:08.130
on some sort of an endorsement or something like

01:24:08.130 --> 01:24:09.850
that where there's an agreement between us and

01:24:09.850 --> 01:24:11.970
this company. I've bought their products before.

01:24:12.050 --> 01:24:14.489
I've bought a lot of hydration products before.

01:24:14.630 --> 01:24:17.869
I mean, a lot of them. And I will tell you there's

01:24:17.869 --> 01:24:19.369
one, I won't name it because I don't want to

01:24:19.369 --> 01:24:22.550
disparage any company. There's one company where

01:24:22.550 --> 01:24:25.340
their product is so salty. that i think the next

01:24:25.340 --> 01:24:27.279
time i get a colonoscopy i'm going to use that

01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:29.760
product to prepare for the colonoscopy because

01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.159
it's basically like drinking ocean water like

01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:34.819
concentrated ocean water it's so salty i mean

01:24:34.819 --> 01:24:39.319
it is un it is very difficult to get down but

01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:41.579
this other company that has a product that tastes

01:24:41.579 --> 01:24:45.319
fantastic and works better in my opinion than

01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:47.760
you know the branded gatorade product is a company

01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:52.460
called drip drop d -r -i -p -d -r -o -p They

01:24:52.460 --> 01:24:54.640
have a lot of different flavors. They have more

01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:57.819
electrolytes or types of electrolytes than most

01:24:57.819 --> 01:25:01.840
other products that they compete with. And they

01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:04.560
are also a product that has a lot of military

01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:08.939
usage. So the military has vetted this company,

01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:12.479
vetted their chemistry. So you're getting something

01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:14.680
that is not just a bunch of advertising fluff,

01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:18.850
but it actually meets certain standards. They

01:25:18.850 --> 01:25:21.149
offhandedly mentioned that, yeah, the stuff that's

01:25:21.149 --> 01:25:23.989
in the Gatorade container might not be Gatorade.

01:25:24.050 --> 01:25:27.090
So anyway, I think that's all the stuff that

01:25:27.090 --> 01:25:29.770
I have to cover product wise. I will mention

01:25:29.770 --> 01:25:33.069
that, you know, we alluded to this in the front

01:25:33.069 --> 01:25:35.630
end of the show. You meet some amazing people

01:25:35.630 --> 01:25:39.500
at SHOT Show. I mentioned Josiah from Maryland

01:25:39.500 --> 01:25:42.920
Munitions. Got to have dinner across from Kate,

01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:46.479
who is known popularly as Lady Liberty Australia.

01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:49.479
We're going to have her on for a show. A fantastic

01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:54.319
person who has a story to tell that people in

01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:56.960
the United States need to hear because, you know,

01:25:57.020 --> 01:25:59.979
we could be next. In fact, in some states, we

01:25:59.979 --> 01:26:02.180
basically are kind of the same as Australia.

01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:05.479
And you can learn a lot from people like this.

01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:07.880
I don't know. Is there any other products you

01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:09.199
wanted to cover, Ken? I think we, you know, this

01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:11.680
is a long show. We've gone over a heck of a lot

01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:13.979
of material. Yeah, I'm happy with what we've

01:26:13.979 --> 01:26:17.239
covered. It's good stuff. Yeah. I will also want

01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:18.979
to mention that we want to welcome, we have new

01:26:18.979 --> 01:26:21.520
listeners from across the United States, which

01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:24.039
is great. The show's growing organically and

01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:27.100
we really do appreciate that. So apparently you

01:26:27.100 --> 01:26:30.100
guys are getting the word out. So the shares

01:26:30.100 --> 01:26:32.600
are, they must be happening because the growth

01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:35.560
is happening. But we do want, you know, tell

01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:38.729
people to subscribe. Don't just... Ad hoc, listen

01:26:38.729 --> 01:26:41.869
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01:26:45.789 --> 01:26:48.149
That helps the algorithms as well. But those

01:26:48.149 --> 01:26:49.829
new listeners. So we have some across the United

01:26:49.829 --> 01:26:53.109
States, but we also have some in India, in Denmark,

01:26:53.430 --> 01:26:59.210
Israel, more in Costa Rica, Canada. Nice to see

01:26:59.210 --> 01:27:01.869
some people from Canada joining us. New Zealand

01:27:01.869 --> 01:27:07.550
and also Turkey from Istanbul. So lots of new

01:27:07.550 --> 01:27:09.909
listeners out there. And, you know, you guys

01:27:09.909 --> 01:27:12.890
are responsible for, we make the content, you

01:27:12.890 --> 01:27:16.210
guys make the show popular. That's the way this

01:27:16.210 --> 01:27:19.550
works. So anything else tonight, Ken? We're going

01:27:19.550 --> 01:27:21.670
to be recording another show in a few days. It'll

01:27:21.670 --> 01:27:24.590
post in a couple of weeks. And we're going to

01:27:24.590 --> 01:27:28.189
have a guest that I think is, man, it's going

01:27:28.189 --> 01:27:29.869
to be kind of a blast from the past, I think.

01:27:29.970 --> 01:27:33.239
It's going to be a lot of fun. And a person that

01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:35.880
you're going to want to follow up on because

01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:38.920
they've written so much in the gun world before,

01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:42.199
particularly for those who like, you know, reading

01:27:42.199 --> 01:27:46.119
stuff that's intellectual and meaningful in nature

01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:48.560
and not just the quick, you know, tick tock five

01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:51.159
second got my attention. Oh, wait, you lost my

01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:54.180
attention again. Right. This guy produces a lot

01:27:54.180 --> 01:27:56.699
of content there. I think that's about it for

01:27:56.699 --> 01:27:59.180
tonight. Ken? Very good. Appreciate everyone.

01:27:59.960 --> 01:28:03.020
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01:28:27.380 --> 01:28:31.520
says. Turn off macOS reactions to prevent both

01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:35.500
macOS and Zoom reactions from being generated.

01:28:35.899 --> 01:28:39.140
Huh? Skip it. I don't know what the hell that

01:28:39.140 --> 01:28:40.380
meant. Okay.