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A pencil, you know, like how many people did

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John Wick kill with a pencil? You know, a pencil

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is a writing instrument or it could be a weapon

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in the hands of John Wick. Welcome to episode

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22 of the Flugel Firearms Podcast, the podcast

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that is here to help you get the most for your

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shooting dollar and the most enjoyment possible

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out of all the equipment that's out there that

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can be confusing because there's so much of it.

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And today is just a show with Ken and I, nobody

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else, no guests. We're just reviewing equipment.

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We're reviewing various things that we think

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that you maybe are a little behind on that we've

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paid attention to that we want to bring you up

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to speed. Without further ado, I'm Craig, I'm

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your host, and Ken, say hi, you are the co -host.

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I'm Ken. I'm the co -host. We are both located

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in Southern California, and we've both been advocates

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of the shooting sports and getting the best amount

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of value for your hard -earned dollar. So I look

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forward to giving you some of our opinions today

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and some various things. We'll probably wander

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off topic. I know there's a bunch of things I'd

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like to wander off on topic, but we'll see where

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we get from here. Let's go for it, Craig. Well,

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first and foremost, for new listeners to the

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show, and by the way, thank you, listeners. I've

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seen some worldwide expansion of the footprint

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of the show to places as far north as Finland

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and as far south as the southern tip of Australia

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into the African continent and South America

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and Brazil and Colombia. So very appreciated

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the way the show is organically growing. Why

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are we in Southern California? Well, I guess

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both of us by dint of... fate ended up here.

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But we like Southern California, although we

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hate the politics. And today is, as we're recording

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this election day, the polls actually, yeah,

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the polls closed pretty soon in the East Coast

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as we recorded this. But I hope by the time you

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listeners hear this, election day will be over

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in the United States. And I hope you all voted

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for freedom. You voted for secure borders. You

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voted for freedom and Second Amendment candidates.

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Why do we stay here, Ken? I guess we like the

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weather. Well, it's an interesting thing. I mean,

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I am recently retired this year after many, many

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years. I've been working more than 40 -plus years

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in information technology management and always

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doing firearms as a hobby on the side. It's an

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interesting question. The weather in California

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is beautiful. The views are beautiful. The mountains,

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the deserts, the beaches, all beautiful. The

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thing is we're run by crazy people on the left

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coast, and it is the left coast. And, you know,

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I just recently, as Craig, you know, drove across

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country, did a wild tour across country, over

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6 ,500 miles, driving and visiting various places.

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I could touch on a couple of those. The price

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of gasoline here right now in early November

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2025 is sitting around a good deal, sitting around

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$2 .25 here. Or excuse me, $4. Oh, yeah, I was

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going to say not here. $4 .25 here in Southern

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California, $4 .25. We were in Arkansas a couple

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of weeks ago, and it was $2 .21 a gallon. And

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these are areas of the country that have freeze

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-thaw. They have beautiful roads, beautiful roads.

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Oh, no, we have holes. We pay for lots of holes

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in our roads. We're paying double the price in

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California, and we have potholes that'll rip

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an axle off your car, a dent, a rim, not an uncommon

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thing. But our gas prices might go down if they

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get rid of the gas tax and replace it with a

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mileage tax. Oh, joy. Rapture, yes. Anyway, well,

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at least we are within driving distance. of las

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vegas which means that we can go to the shot

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show every year and we just signed up yeah we

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signed up for shot show 26. uh we're going to

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be going to industry day which is otherwise known

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as range day to be able to get uh you listeners

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uh some previews of some stuff that is not even

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on the market yet but you know where do you find

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those best deals i i know that I've mentioned

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this before, but I want to give a quick plug.

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And by the way, we're not getting paid anything

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for any of this. All the stuff we're talking

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about, we're not getting paid for it. Gun deals,

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gun .deals. That's actually the site. So it's

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singular, G -U -N dot D -E -A -L -S. And a corollary

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site, Wikiarms, which is, you know, wiki like

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Wikipedia, but Wikiarms are a couple places to

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really locate. you know, just the most amazing

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deals that are out there. I'm looking at it right

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now on my computer and there's everything from

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hearing protection to medical kits, to red dots,

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to weapon mounted lights, to gloves, all kinds

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of stuff. But you can also narrow it down and

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you can use that tool to be able to find the

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best deals in the category or the actual SKU

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you're looking for. And these are all new items.

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Is this correct? Yeah, it's all new items. And

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one thing. So I was just before we started recording

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the show, Ken and I were talking and there was

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something that popped up. And I don't know if

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I mentioned this before, but I'm very into knives.

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I've always been into knives, probably even before

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I was into firearms. And I own a bunch of handmade

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stuff from various makers. Beautiful stuff. Yeah,

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it's all made. Yeah. And expensive. Because it's

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so expensive, I'm afraid to use it. And it sits

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in the safe because I'm afraid to diminish the

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value. I was like, well, why did I? That's a

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whole other topic. Why did I buy these things

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if I'm not going to use them and let them sit

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in the safe? Because they bring you joy. But

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they don't. They sit in the safe. Yes, but you

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had that display cabinet for quite a while. That

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was nice to see. That's true. And now they just

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sit in the damn safe. What knives do I actually

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use? I use actually pretty cheap knives that

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I don't mind destroying. And one thing that popped

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up there, it was an Amazon find, and it was called

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the REAT, and I'll spell that, R -E -A -T, like

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Romeo Echo Alpha Tango, fixed blade knife. It's

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a four -inch knife or just a fraction under four

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inches to keep it legal. That is... Almost a

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kukri shape, even though the blade is very short.

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So it has a lot of what's called belly to it.

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But the handle, the balance of the knife, actually

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the holster for the knife, the quality of the

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clip that they use, it's punching way, way, way,

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way above its weight. I mean, this thing's on

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sale right now for under $17. And I bought a

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second one just... I mean, ostensibly, I'm just

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going to destroy one of them and see how it does.

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D2 steel, which is not the best steel out there,

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but it's certainly respectable. Hold an edge

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well enough. Takes an amazing edge. So highly

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recommended. But there was another Amazon find

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I want to point people out to. Before you do,

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REIT has a whole bunch of different designs out

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there. It's not just the one that you're talking

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about. That's true. They have a whole host of

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designs. They all look excellent. I have not

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had the opportunity to play with many of them

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yet, but I will. Well, we're going to be quick

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to point something out here. Again, maybe for

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the benefit of new listeners. Was it made in

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China? Yep, it was made in China. Do we often

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cover things that are made in China? Yes, we

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do. We're actually going to talk about some stuff

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today that's American made. But to think that

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you're going to be able to combine frugality

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with solely onshore, in other words, U .S. manufacturing.

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And if you've listened to our previous episodes,

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and by the way, I would encourage people to go

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back and listen to previous episodes. Sometimes

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made in the USA doesn't mean entirely made in

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the USA. It might mean assembled in the USA.

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from parts made elsewhere. So are we patriotic?

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Yes, Ken and I both are. Very much so, yes. But

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Ken, is it realistic to get away from offshore

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manufacturing? At this point in time, no. I mean,

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again, we're value proposition people. We want

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our listeners to be able to acquire, use, and

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enjoy value. And to do that right now, a decent

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amount of that is offshore. When we do find and

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have an entirely Humpston -made America at one,

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we will absolutely highlight that. It would be

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our preference if it was available, but oftentimes

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it's just not available. It just isn't, right.

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So, again, previous shows do discuss this, and

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actually some of the manufacturers that we've

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talked to before have talked about efforts to

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not just avoid tariffs manufacturing, you know,

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back to the U .S., but also for reasons of quality

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and things like that. But the other find that

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I had that I have not talked about before that

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I found actually a couple of years ago, it's

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still available, is a brand called Sarblue, which

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is another one of these invented Chinese words

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that, you know, has no, I mean, it's just bad

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English, right? S -A -R -B -L -U -E. They have

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a Moksutov Casagrain. telescope. Now, okay, what

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is that? There's various types of ways to design

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telescopes. One of the ways to do it is by making

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something called a catadioptic telescope. Maybe

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you've heard me talk about this before, but I've

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built my own telescope and, you know, I ground

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my own mirror. I know this kind of stuff. The

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catadioptic, meaning folded light path telescopes,

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tend to be very, very efficient in size, lightweight,

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and they can gather a lot of light in a small

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package. So this little guy, I didn't buy it

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to look at planets and things like that. I bought

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it as a spotting scope to use at the range. It's

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very, very high magnification. They make a couple

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models. This one's the Mac MAK 6060. They also

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make a Mac 70 because catadioptic. telescopes

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use spherical ground lenses and not parabolic

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which is much harder to do you can make these

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things with great precision at low cost and this

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thing i've shown it to other people who are into

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astronomy and everyone is just blown away by

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like wait a minute this cost how much and we're

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talking about a list price of a hundred dollars

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and like the fancy one is like 150. And you're

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talking about something that has, again, batting

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above its or punching above its weight by a factor

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of five. I'm not kidding. I've seen $500 scopes

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that can't do what this $100 scope does. So,

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yeah, are you supporting an offshore venture

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by doing this? Yeah, you would be if you bought

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it. But if you want just an amazing piece of

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optical capability. You know, look into this.

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I'm going to put a link in the show notes to

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this one. So if people want to go grab it, you

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know, absolutely. That's the way to go if you

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need a spotting scope that's going to really

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give you a great image quality edge to edge.

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Yeah, and that's important, these very good spotting

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skills, particularly since long -range shooting

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is becoming more and more of a thing. And long

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-range shooting is fun because, number one, you're

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oftentimes not shooting a lot, which means that

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your cost of ammunition is going to be less because

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you're not going to be shooting 100 rounds out

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there. 10 or 20 rounds as you tune a particular

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load to your rifle or whatever. So good optics,

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you'll be able to see a .22 or .30 caliber hole

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at a range of 400, 500, 600, 700 yards becomes

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very important. thing to be able to do. And optics

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like this are something that's going to be able

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to assist with that. And, of course, if you're

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into black powder, which I'm getting more and

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more into the black powder stuff, like a Quigley

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rifle and the Quigley rifle shoot, where you're

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shooting 800 yards or so, basically lobbing in

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these big .45 caliber slugs at 800 yards and

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punching little holes in paper. Great fun. After

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the initial rifle purchase and so forth, the

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cost of each shot is quite low, and you're not

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making that many of them. But the optics, the

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ability to both see the hole and possibly even

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have the camera attachment so you can record

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it. Yeah, this does that. It comes with it. In

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fact, you know what? While you were talking,

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I just kind of noticed something else in the

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Amazon feed here. The same scope that I just

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said costs $100? If you buy it with a tripod,

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which means you're getting more stuff, it actually

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costs less. It's on sale at 50 % off at $65.

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So that's the link I'll put in. And it does have

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a little, you know, like an iPhone holder. I

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used this thing to record the full eclipse in

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Dallas a couple years back in March of... And

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it just did an amazing job. So like you said,

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you know, this is a good enough optic. You brought

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up long range shooting, Ken. I'm glad you did

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that because this thing's good enough to be able

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to get like wind reads and things like that,

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that lesser optics can't do. Like you'd be able

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to see, you know, thermal effects and stuff like

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that across, you know, the area that you're shooting

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that, you know, lesser scopes cannot do, or you'll

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be spending an awful lot of money to do it. So

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we covered, let's say we covered a knife. We

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covered a telescope. Maybe we should cover a

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gun. Recently got myself the Mossberg 940 SPC.

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So what is that? That is an update to the 940

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line. Last year was the 940. I don't know if

00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.080
it was last year. 930. I think it was a 930.

00:14:41.259 --> 00:14:43.539
Well, there was a 930, but there's also the 940

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tactical. Ah, yes. But this is a little bit more

00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.700
tactical than the. you know, the tactical that

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they had before. I said SPC. That was my bad.

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It's SPX. SPX. And if you look at Collier Noir's

00:15:00.179 --> 00:15:04.019
review of this, he had an absolutely gushing

00:15:04.019 --> 00:15:09.039
review on YouTube. He decoded SPX as meaning

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super effing tactical, which... Actually, phonetically

00:15:13.100 --> 00:15:15.139
makes no sense. Fine, super fine, super fine.

00:15:15.220 --> 00:15:19.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Super tactical. And this is

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a 12 -gauge semi -automatic shotgun. Yeah, it

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is. With, I think, eight and one, right? So it's

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eight in the tube. I've been getting, well, it

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depends. And it's actually, I've been getting

00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:39.059
seven in the tube. But the tube is actually a

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little longer than the barrel. And the reason

00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:44.440
for that, is that Mossberg found out that, you

00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.879
know, the shells aren't very well standardized

00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:52.259
for length in 12 gauge. So what they wanted to

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do was make sure that people at least using two

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and three quarter shells would be able to get

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in the advertised number of shells into the thing

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and not complain. So it sticks out just maybe

00:16:02.059 --> 00:16:04.100
a quarter inch beyond the barrel. It actually

00:16:04.100 --> 00:16:08.220
looks kind of cool, but they've listened to their...

00:16:08.649 --> 00:16:12.250
consumers on this. And there's plenty of information

00:16:12.250 --> 00:16:15.149
out there that this is now, you know, you could

00:16:15.149 --> 00:16:19.490
say Beretta 1301, this is gotten to, you know,

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and more expensive gun. And this is given the

00:16:22.509 --> 00:16:26.690
Beretta 1301 a serious run for its money. I actually

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like the way it operates better than the 1301.

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It does not require an extra depression. of a

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button inside the lift to be able to get the

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the magazine to work so it's it's a little bit

00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.700
more intuitive and direct and perhaps under stress

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maybe a little bit uh better design i prefer

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i don't know what you think about this there's

00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:54.779
there's mixed opinions the 130 the bretta 1301

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has like a um a finger guard mounted safety the

00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:04.599
940 has its safety mounted up on the tang for

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either ambidextrous thumb use. I prefer that

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because I don't like the idea of having to go

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anywhere near the trigger guard if I'm not ready

00:17:15.460 --> 00:17:18.539
to shoot, including taking the safety off. I

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mean, you got a thought on that? Yeah, there

00:17:21.410 --> 00:17:24.650
have been various philosophies over time as to

00:17:24.650 --> 00:17:27.329
how close your finger should be to the trigger

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when you're operating the safety. For example,

00:17:31.190 --> 00:17:34.180
the M1. Garand or Grand, if that was used to

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stand a battle rifle in World War II, had the

00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:39.599
safety literally inside the trigger guard. And

00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:41.779
people either loved it or thought it was the

00:17:41.779 --> 00:17:45.000
stupidest idea in the world. Again, training

00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:47.839
with any firearm is going to keep you safe so

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that you understand what it is. And I know, Craig,

00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:53.900
you talked about like the crossbolt safety was

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found on the Ruger 10. 22s and thousands of other

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designs that are out there versus the one that's

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up on the top of the receiver just above your

00:18:02.859 --> 00:18:04.900
thumb. Works great for left and right -handed

00:18:04.900 --> 00:18:08.240
shooters. Originally, I used to be a Remington

00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.880
870 pump guy. That's where I started and really

00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:16.960
loved them. Owned several of them. and didn't

00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:19.740
really appreciate the aluminum receivers of the

00:18:19.740 --> 00:18:21.799
Mossbergs, but I've really come to appreciate

00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:25.140
the Mossberg value proposition again. And you

00:18:25.140 --> 00:18:28.420
compare it against the Beretta 1301, which is

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I think about a 50 % additional premium over

00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.099
what the 940. I think it's less than that now,

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but there, I mean, it's still, you're spending

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more and I don't see that you're getting more.

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I will tell you this. We put it through a series

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of tests where, We put both high and low brass

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through it randomly, and the gas system on this

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thing adjusts automatically and actually did

00:18:55.430 --> 00:18:58.150
a fantastic job of just digesting everything.

00:18:58.349 --> 00:19:02.750
Now, Ken ran that test on me, and then I ran

00:19:02.750 --> 00:19:06.250
that test on him. When I was shooting, I have

00:19:06.250 --> 00:19:10.660
a very, very tight... grip or i i pull the the

00:19:10.660 --> 00:19:13.960
weapon very strongly into my shoulder and as

00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:16.619
a result the difference between birdshot and

00:19:16.619 --> 00:19:19.859
buckshot i really didn't notice hardly at all

00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:22.480
you said you noticed it i don't know maybe our

00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.500
holds are a little bit different you were able

00:19:24.500 --> 00:19:26.539
to pick out yeah a little bit different yeah

00:19:26.539 --> 00:19:28.940
you could pick the high brass out easier than

00:19:28.940 --> 00:19:32.720
i could Right. And I know we're mentioning high

00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:37.259
brass versus low brass. These are aspects of

00:19:37.259 --> 00:19:39.940
the 12 -gauge shotgun shells. Low brass are oftentimes

00:19:39.940 --> 00:19:42.980
target loads. They're oftentimes slightly lower

00:19:42.980 --> 00:19:46.710
pressure. High brass ones... have more brass

00:19:46.710 --> 00:19:50.349
literally wrapping around the powder area of

00:19:50.349 --> 00:19:53.089
the shell itself. And they typically are a little

00:19:53.089 --> 00:19:54.529
higher pressure and there's a little bit more

00:19:54.529 --> 00:19:57.210
spank to them. And Craig, you mentioned the fact

00:19:57.210 --> 00:20:00.769
that there are, there's a whole host of 12 gauge

00:20:00.769 --> 00:20:04.369
lengths that are available in shotguns. Yeah.

00:20:04.410 --> 00:20:07.230
Obviously the two and three quarter is the, the

00:20:07.230 --> 00:20:10.410
standard here in the United States, two and three

00:20:10.410 --> 00:20:13.440
quarter or the three inch Magnum. three -inch

00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.059
long magnum. But they all vary from manufacturer

00:20:16.059 --> 00:20:18.460
to manufacturer. It can vary by more than a tenth

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of an inch. In Europe, it's two and nine -sixteenths.

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What? And actually, occasionally, you run across

00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.599
a shotgun from Europe here at a gun show or something,

00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:30.099
an older one, and it's actually chambered in

00:20:30.099 --> 00:20:33.519
two and nine -sixteenths. And now they also have

00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:35.559
the three -and -a -half -inch magnum shells that

00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:38.359
certain shotguns, particularly pumped, will do.

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They're usually goose gun type. for long -range

00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.740
shotgun shooting and bird hunting. And then,

00:20:44.740 --> 00:20:46.680
of course, there are the mini shells, which have

00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:48.400
recently appeared on the market in the last 10

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years or so, which are these short little stubby

00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:54.500
ones, which... Most semi -automatic shotguns

00:20:54.500 --> 00:20:57.039
or even pump shotguns will not handle, but they

00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.559
work great in, in side -by -sides or single shots.

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We didn't try that in the, in the, well, we didn't

00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:05.079
have any to try it with. I don't think it would

00:21:05.079 --> 00:21:08.240
work. Probably wouldn't, but probably would not.

00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.259
But all I'm saying is there are a whole host

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of different types of shotgun shells that are

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available, semi -automatic pump, whatever it

00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:18.079
might be. You need to practice with whatever

00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:19.680
you're going to be putting in there, particularly

00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:21.640
if you're going to be using it for a home defense.

00:21:21.829 --> 00:21:25.289
scenario whatever something that i did when when

00:21:25.289 --> 00:21:27.829
i got the 940 was i also went out and bought

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a bunch of and by a bunch i mean like a dozen

00:21:30.890 --> 00:21:35.170
uh snap caps now snap caps used to just be for

00:21:35.170 --> 00:21:37.589
the protection of the firing pin but in a shotgun

00:21:37.589 --> 00:21:40.829
if you want to become proficient at loading it

00:21:40.829 --> 00:21:43.609
like doing tactical reloads you know pop one

00:21:43.609 --> 00:21:46.750
in you know pop two in things like that And you

00:21:46.750 --> 00:21:48.690
don't want to do it with live rounds because,

00:21:48.789 --> 00:21:50.529
I don't know, you want to do it in your house

00:21:50.529 --> 00:21:53.170
and maybe that's not a very good idea. Right.

00:21:53.390 --> 00:21:55.869
They now make ones, and this is another, by the

00:21:55.869 --> 00:21:58.990
way, Amazon purchase, for very inexpensive. I

00:21:58.990 --> 00:22:01.490
got a bunch of these guys that weigh as much

00:22:01.490 --> 00:22:05.150
as a buckshot round. So the weight is correct.

00:22:05.230 --> 00:22:08.339
It feels correct in your hand. Snapcats never

00:22:08.339 --> 00:22:11.880
used to be that way. But now I can play with

00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:16.339
the gun safely and be able to play around with

00:22:16.339 --> 00:22:18.740
different reloading methods coming over the top,

00:22:18.819 --> 00:22:22.319
coming underneath, using the placard on the side

00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.599
or sometimes called a caddy, where it may hold

00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:29.380
perhaps six shells in an elastic fabric -backed.

00:22:29.769 --> 00:22:32.329
uh holder that then is velcroed to the side of

00:22:32.329 --> 00:22:34.450
the gun by the way that is a feature that comes

00:22:34.450 --> 00:22:37.690
on the 940 built in it comes with a placard that

00:22:37.690 --> 00:22:40.890
is in fact the the serial number of the gun sits

00:22:40.890 --> 00:22:42.529
on the left side of the receiver and they cut

00:22:42.529 --> 00:22:44.269
you know they thoughtfully they cut it out so

00:22:44.269 --> 00:22:46.210
you can see you know the serial number on the

00:22:46.210 --> 00:22:48.549
gun you read it a few other things that they

00:22:48.549 --> 00:22:52.849
offer on that gun is the ability to drop in rmsc

00:22:52.849 --> 00:22:56.269
red dot right into the receiver by removing an

00:22:56.269 --> 00:22:59.380
adapter plate Drilled and tapped already on top

00:22:59.380 --> 00:23:02.720
of the receiver to accept the standard. There

00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:04.480
are a couple of different standards, a couple,

00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:05.819
three different standards. Well, it comes with

00:23:05.819 --> 00:23:07.640
them. It comes with them all. It comes with the

00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:10.359
RMR and the doctor and the loophole footprint

00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:14.039
adapter plates. Yep. You can change the length

00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.039
of pole. You can change the cant. There's offsets

00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:19.779
for both left and right -handed shooters. And

00:23:19.779 --> 00:23:21.920
we're going to get somebody on from Mossberg

00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.809
to join us as a guest at some point. Right. I

00:23:24.809 --> 00:23:26.009
mean, they better because we're giving them a

00:23:26.009 --> 00:23:28.390
hell of a commercial here. Yeah. Shotguns are

00:23:28.390 --> 00:23:30.230
wonderful things. I mean, and the other thing

00:23:30.230 --> 00:23:33.329
about shotgun is you don't aim a shotgun. You

00:23:33.329 --> 00:23:35.890
point it. And you're like, what? What's the difference?

00:23:36.289 --> 00:23:38.930
There is a big difference. It's more than we

00:23:38.930 --> 00:23:42.779
can go into right here, right now. Right. You

00:23:42.779 --> 00:23:44.940
know, there's a lot of fun reading. Shotguns

00:23:44.940 --> 00:23:48.299
is like an entire world of firearms trivia and

00:23:48.299 --> 00:23:51.900
firearms nuances that you have to learn. Well,

00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:54.680
if we're going to talk about a world of stuff

00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:59.559
to learn about, what's been the big news lately?

00:23:59.900 --> 00:24:03.720
A lot of talk about the SIG P320. And if people

00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:09.140
haven't heard about this, there was a allegation,

00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:14.980
and I'll phrase it that way, a P320 caused the

00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:18.519
death of an airman. An uncommanded discharge.

00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:21.480
An uncommanded discharge was the allegation.

00:24:21.619 --> 00:24:25.740
Now, again, I don't own any SIGs. I have no relationship

00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:29.119
with SIGs, and I'm not recommending for or against

00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:32.839
SIGs, and neither is my co -host Ken. But there

00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:39.319
are many documented cases of alleged P320. uh

00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:43.480
accidents based on as ken said the uncommanded

00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:46.859
discharge which is not the same thing as a negligent

00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:50.200
discharge it's a discharge where the gun goes

00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:53.579
off by means other than a deliberate positive

00:24:53.579 --> 00:24:57.880
action uh by pulling the trigger well ken did

00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:01.039
you hear um the latest news on this Well, no,

00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:02.720
I was traveling, so I've not heard the latest,

00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:04.559
latest. Okay, so here's the latest. And this

00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:08.759
was passed on to me via the magic of YouTube

00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:13.140
by Mr. William Kirk of Washington Gun Law. By

00:25:13.140 --> 00:25:16.460
the way, a person who we intend to have as a

00:25:16.460 --> 00:25:18.880
guest on the show in the future. And highly recommend

00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:23.019
his podcast on YouTube. Absolutely, yeah. Fantastic.

00:25:23.380 --> 00:25:25.400
And don't think by, and when we're talking Washington,

00:25:25.420 --> 00:25:27.779
we mean Washington State, but also don't think

00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:31.650
of Mr. Kirk's. information or podcast as being

00:25:31.650 --> 00:25:34.809
solely limited to people in the state of Washington.

00:25:34.890 --> 00:25:36.890
He does the whole country. He does the whole

00:25:36.890 --> 00:25:40.250
country, yeah. But his show is based in the state

00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:45.170
of Washington. Turns out that whole narrative

00:25:45.170 --> 00:25:49.309
about taking the gun off in its holster, slamming

00:25:49.309 --> 00:25:52.250
it down on the table, and the gun going off and

00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:56.089
shooting the airman in the chest was fabricated.

00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:00.759
What really happened was another airman removed

00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:05.559
the gun from the holster and was joking around

00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:12.980
in a, you know, a ha -ha manner and shot his

00:26:12.980 --> 00:26:17.440
fellow airman. Then when two other airmen came

00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.539
to investigate, why did I just hear a shot go

00:26:21.539 --> 00:26:25.700
off? The way the story goes, as I understand

00:26:25.700 --> 00:26:30.019
it, is that the person who did the shooting then

00:26:30.019 --> 00:26:32.019
told them, well, this is the story we're going

00:26:32.019 --> 00:26:35.180
to run with. That the gun was removed, put on

00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:38.619
the table, and the weapon went off in an uncommanded

00:26:38.619 --> 00:26:41.500
manner through the holster and killed the poor

00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:46.279
guy on the ground. That those two other people

00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:49.180
who initially agreed to stick with that story.

00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:52.539
i guess have now pled guilty to falsifying an

00:26:52.539 --> 00:26:55.359
official record which in which in the military

00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:59.039
is not a very good idea career ending yeah well

00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.619
the thing that surprised me was that mr kirk

00:27:01.619 --> 00:27:03.779
said that the punishments that were doled out

00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:08.880
for this were respectively 10 and 30 days not

00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:14.349
months not years 10 and 30 days in the brig Now,

00:27:14.349 --> 00:27:17.069
I would assume that that's also followed by a

00:27:17.069 --> 00:27:19.130
dishonorable discharge, but that seems like an

00:27:19.130 --> 00:27:22.869
awfully short period of time for a problem of

00:27:22.869 --> 00:27:25.549
this gravity. Now, what happened to the guy who

00:27:25.549 --> 00:27:28.829
did the shooting? I guess he's going to avoid

00:27:28.829 --> 00:27:34.690
prosecution because he has himself died of his

00:27:34.690 --> 00:27:38.289
own action. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he

00:27:38.289 --> 00:27:42.220
took himself out probably. As a function of the

00:27:42.220 --> 00:27:45.579
amount of guilt or whatever. But he's now gone.

00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:48.660
So two people have lost their life and two people

00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:52.920
have had their career ruined. Why? Because, A,

00:27:53.180 --> 00:27:55.819
one person, for some reason, who's a security

00:27:55.819 --> 00:27:59.140
guard, didn't understand the four basic rules

00:27:59.140 --> 00:28:04.180
of firearm safety. And two others lied about

00:28:04.180 --> 00:28:09.910
it. Ah. Yeah. So now does that... Yeah, so does

00:28:09.910 --> 00:28:14.730
that mean that I completely now trust Sig? Personally,

00:28:14.950 --> 00:28:18.990
not necessarily. Not necessarily. Yeah, there's

00:28:18.990 --> 00:28:21.589
too much other stuff. There's a whole body of

00:28:21.589 --> 00:28:23.849
others that are out there who have pointed out

00:28:23.849 --> 00:28:28.009
other problems, and they may be related to specific

00:28:28.009 --> 00:28:32.420
firearms or combinations of parts. If you're

00:28:32.420 --> 00:28:35.500
switching out a factory part for a replacement

00:28:35.500 --> 00:28:39.180
part for an aftermarket part, yeah, I don't know.

00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.559
I don't know. I don't know. I have always held

00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.640
SIGs in high regard, and I am questioning it

00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.240
at this point in time, but I have come to no

00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:50.279
personal conclusions at this point in time. They

00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.000
are one of the great firearms manufacturing companies,

00:28:53.180 --> 00:28:56.259
and I hope they come out at the end of this.

00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.500
as highly respected again. I'm going to point

00:29:00.500 --> 00:29:03.000
out something else, though. I may provide the

00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:07.299
link to this in the show notes. And again, everything

00:29:07.299 --> 00:29:11.500
that we're saying here is essentially third -hand

00:29:11.500 --> 00:29:14.279
or more, I guess, information. Some of it may

00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.259
be considered circumstantial. There is a gentleman

00:29:17.259 --> 00:29:23.039
who did a two -hour. And as a YouTube video,

00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:26.480
two hours is way out there in the margins as

00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:30.940
far as length goes. And the title says he's talking

00:29:30.940 --> 00:29:34.359
about the P320, except he spends the first hour

00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.299
not talking about the P320. The first hour of

00:29:37.299 --> 00:29:39.380
this podcast, he talks about the corporate culture

00:29:39.380 --> 00:29:46.579
at SIG and lays forth a case of, you know. really

00:29:46.579 --> 00:29:48.240
bring you into question whether that's a company

00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.880
you want to do business with in the first place.

00:29:50.299 --> 00:29:54.700
And again, these are all allegations. And I'm

00:29:54.700 --> 00:29:59.200
not saying that this person knows factually the

00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.940
entire stories, because in some of these cases

00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:05.200
that are talked about dealing with sexual harassment,

00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:07.720
dealing with hostile workplace environments and

00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.839
things like that, I believe that some of these

00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.829
cases went to before they got to trial. uh were

00:30:13.829 --> 00:30:17.190
uh settled out of court and therefore you don't

00:30:17.190 --> 00:30:20.349
necessarily know the whole story but i think

00:30:20.349 --> 00:30:22.069
that there's some questions there that i would

00:30:22.069 --> 00:30:25.130
like at least before i became a customer uh would

00:30:25.130 --> 00:30:27.049
want answered to know that i'm dealing with someone

00:30:27.049 --> 00:30:30.809
who is ethical and and has you know the right

00:30:30.809 --> 00:30:32.970
kind of corporate culture not just the white

00:30:32.970 --> 00:30:37.390
outward face uh to the gun community which which

00:30:37.390 --> 00:30:39.269
by the way if people haven't been following this

00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.759
The amount of what was referred to as gaslighting

00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:46.200
they've done, whether now justified or not, has

00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.819
not put them in the eyes of many gun owners in

00:30:49.819 --> 00:30:52.119
a positive light. Let's say we turn this around

00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.420
a little bit and talk about the new Glock V series.

00:30:55.740 --> 00:30:58.339
And what is V? I think V is just the Roman numeral

00:30:58.339 --> 00:31:01.799
five, right? It's a reimagination, if you will,

00:31:01.940 --> 00:31:05.220
of the Glock. Yeah, of the Glock. Now, do you

00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:07.960
think there's two ways to look at this? Is this

00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.609
a reaction? to coming legislation, and by the

00:31:11.609 --> 00:31:14.009
way, now current legislation in the state of

00:31:14.009 --> 00:31:16.390
California and probably elsewhere concerning

00:31:16.390 --> 00:31:19.309
the Glock switch, which is, by the way, is already

00:31:19.309 --> 00:31:23.829
illegal? Or is it the fact that all of Glock's

00:31:23.829 --> 00:31:28.069
patents expired long ago and Glock knew they

00:31:28.069 --> 00:31:32.309
needed a refresh, a technical refresh? And now

00:31:32.309 --> 00:31:34.309
we talked about before, after the SHOT Show from

00:31:34.309 --> 00:31:37.109
last year, you know, like the Ruger RXM, which

00:31:37.109 --> 00:31:41.099
is... It outwardly looks like a Glock. Inwardly

00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:44.140
is a different animal. Are they just trying to

00:31:44.140 --> 00:31:47.259
now advance the technology? Because when you

00:31:47.259 --> 00:31:50.460
look at when the V series was announced, it was

00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:53.480
very soon after California announced that they

00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:55.799
were going to suspend sales of Glocks in the

00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.059
state. And by the way, we could already only

00:31:58.059 --> 00:32:03.059
get the Gen 3 anyway. But now all Glocks were

00:32:03.059 --> 00:32:05.950
going to be. not for sale doesn't mean that they

00:32:05.950 --> 00:32:08.069
would come take any that you had, but you couldn't

00:32:08.069 --> 00:32:11.789
import anymore and you couldn't sell them because,

00:32:11.910 --> 00:32:15.309
you know, they're quote unquote easily converted

00:32:15.309 --> 00:32:20.029
to machine guns. And was Glock simply reacting

00:32:20.029 --> 00:32:22.269
to that in your opinion, or was this because,

00:32:22.349 --> 00:32:25.450
you know, they couldn't have come out with the

00:32:25.450 --> 00:32:28.630
V series and said, Oh no, in another month, we're

00:32:28.630 --> 00:32:31.460
going to be outlawed. So we're going to. redesign

00:32:31.460 --> 00:32:34.099
our guns and announce an entire new set of SKUs

00:32:34.099 --> 00:32:36.680
next month. That doesn't happen. That's not how

00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.519
it works. No. Yeah, I know. Because Glock basically

00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.619
stopped production of almost all of their firearms.

00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:48.579
And they have an extensive selection of calibers

00:32:48.579 --> 00:32:51.829
and sizes. All sorts of things. Been making them

00:32:51.829 --> 00:32:54.730
for years. And Gen 3s, even though they've been

00:32:54.730 --> 00:32:57.210
succeeded by Gen 4s and Gen 5s for many years,

00:32:57.349 --> 00:33:00.390
certain large markets like the state of California

00:33:00.390 --> 00:33:04.509
would only allow Gen 3s to be sold here. Okay.

00:33:04.609 --> 00:33:06.289
And now that they're not going to be making any

00:33:06.289 --> 00:33:08.450
Gen 3s, can't get them in the state. The state

00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:13.049
just passed this stupid law to outlaw those.

00:33:13.750 --> 00:33:18.099
The next question is these. These new Glock Vs,

00:33:18.140 --> 00:33:21.759
V for, I don't know, five, victory, whatever

00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:26.099
they're going to be. I don't even know if they're

00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:27.440
going to be approved by the state of California

00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:29.160
for sale here because you've got to go through

00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.259
that. You've got to be on the list in the state

00:33:31.259 --> 00:33:33.400
of California because it's still pending before

00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:37.359
the United States Supreme Court. Some lawsuits

00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:42.980
about firearms. They can't sell certain guns,

00:33:43.019 --> 00:33:44.740
a lot of guns here in the state of California,

00:33:44.900 --> 00:33:46.880
just because the state doesn't allow them to

00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:49.279
be sold. The state has to approve what you can

00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.579
own, which is completely against the Constitution

00:33:52.579 --> 00:33:56.039
and so forth. But things move very slowly through

00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.539
the courts, and this one's been out there for

00:33:58.539 --> 00:34:00.619
more than eight years, I think, and hopefully

00:34:00.619 --> 00:34:02.180
the Supreme Court will pick up some of these

00:34:02.180 --> 00:34:07.630
things and pitch out the old. The rules, it's

00:34:07.630 --> 00:34:10.289
kind of like saying, okay, you make cars, okay,

00:34:10.349 --> 00:34:13.389
you can't make a car that was made after 1999

00:34:13.389 --> 00:34:18.929
or whatever. So you can't update it with new

00:34:18.929 --> 00:34:21.170
brakes or you can't get a new engine design or

00:34:21.170 --> 00:34:24.949
you can't do whatever sort of new technology

00:34:24.949 --> 00:34:27.250
or computers. That's the way the state of California

00:34:27.250 --> 00:34:29.389
has done it. They've frozen it at a certain point

00:34:29.389 --> 00:34:32.050
in time. And yes, it's true they have recently

00:34:32.050 --> 00:34:36.639
started adding a few additional ones. It's nothing

00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.559
like it is. Don't pick up your latest gun magazine,

00:34:40.699 --> 00:34:42.300
look at a cover and go, I want one of those,

00:34:42.460 --> 00:34:45.380
because chances are you can't get it here. But

00:34:45.380 --> 00:34:47.099
God bless you if you happen to live in a free

00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:49.019
state or another part of the country, you can.

00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.880
So, enjoy. Yeah. Other states, even if they have

00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.139
better selection of guns, have their own challenges

00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:59.119
in terms of magazine capacity or in terms of

00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.019
all kinds of different problems. I mean, we're

00:35:01.019 --> 00:35:05.280
not on an island by ourself with bad gun legislation.

00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:08.380
I don't think we're not implying that. But the

00:35:08.380 --> 00:35:11.179
fact that. Actually, the way the law is written,

00:35:11.260 --> 00:35:14.480
a gun that's quote unquote easily convertible

00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.780
to be fully automatic is a de facto machine gun.

00:35:17.900 --> 00:35:21.800
That actually is written in law. Now, whether

00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.659
that's good law or not good law, I would say

00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:27.980
it's not good law because it takes, I mean. a

00:35:27.980 --> 00:35:30.219
car could be used i mean i hate to go back to

00:35:30.219 --> 00:35:31.800
this analogy all the time but a car could be

00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:33.460
used as a weapon or it can be used as a mode

00:35:33.460 --> 00:35:35.940
of transportation a pencil you know like you

00:35:35.940 --> 00:35:37.960
know how many people did john wick kill with

00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:41.480
a pencil uh you know a pencil is a writing instrument

00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:43.179
or it could be a weapon in the hands of john

00:35:43.179 --> 00:35:46.159
wick in this case i can understand why they would

00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.519
want a preclusion on the import of the glock

00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:51.659
switch because it only has that one purpose sure

00:35:51.659 --> 00:35:54.500
but you know to criminalize the gun as a platform

00:35:55.610 --> 00:35:58.329
To me, it doesn't make sense. For all you frugal

00:35:58.329 --> 00:36:01.829
people out there, I got a modification you can

00:36:01.829 --> 00:36:04.070
do that you're going to like. If anybody owns

00:36:04.070 --> 00:36:09.769
the Ruger LCP Max, which is a fantastic little,

00:36:09.949 --> 00:36:15.050
I mean, very little 380. Things a bit snappy.

00:36:15.190 --> 00:36:17.550
And the 380 is not that strong a cartridge, but

00:36:17.550 --> 00:36:21.670
the LCP Max weighs nothing. And as a result,

00:36:21.809 --> 00:36:26.260
definitely you notice the recoil. And if you

00:36:26.260 --> 00:36:28.900
put, there's a company out there called M -Carbo,

00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:33.760
like the letter M -Carbo, as in carbohydrates.

00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:38.340
I couldn't come up with anything better. That

00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:40.639
makes accessories for lots of different guns.

00:36:40.699 --> 00:36:43.940
And one thing that they have is a 13 -pound spring,

00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:48.059
recoil spring, that you can install to replace

00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:50.139
the 11 -pound spring. You're thinking, well,

00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.599
that's only two pounds different. Yeah, except

00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:56.599
that two pounds is also on the order of 20%.

00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:00.699
It changed in recoil spring rate. R -A -T -E,

00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.260
the spring rate, has gone up by quite a bit.

00:37:03.579 --> 00:37:06.980
And put one of these things in an LCP Max with

00:37:06.980 --> 00:37:08.840
the 11 -pound spring and then changed it to the

00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.619
13 -pound spring. It took me exactly one shot.

00:37:12.139 --> 00:37:14.719
to realize oh my god this is a great improvement

00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.519
and that's an and that's an inexpensive i mean

00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.820
that's a very very inexpensive and took one shot

00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:23.460
to realize that was the way to go on the other

00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:27.400
end of the scale uh the financial scale oh oh

00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:31.420
i forgot uh Long ago, we talked about something

00:37:31.420 --> 00:37:33.719
that we then have walked away from and not been

00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.659
doing, which is our ratings. Our rating scale.

00:37:36.940 --> 00:37:40.139
That's a good point. Yeah. That M Carbo 13 -pound

00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:43.639
spring for the LCP Max, solid 10. Easy. And the

00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:48.940
Mossberg 940, it's an expensive gun. I mean,

00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.840
it's still $1 ,000 the way I bought it. I would

00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.639
give it an 8. Yeah, I would give it at least

00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.400
an 8. I'd give it an 8. That Reet knife. Oh,

00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:04.579
that's a 25 on a 10 scale. Yeah, exactly. And

00:38:04.579 --> 00:38:07.179
the SAR Blue Scope, honestly, if you don't go

00:38:07.179 --> 00:38:11.599
buy one of these things and they're $64 and you

00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.840
need a scope either for looking at game or looking

00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.500
at your target or looking at the moon or something

00:38:17.500 --> 00:38:20.280
like that, you're a fool. I mean, straight up,

00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:25.639
that's another solid, solid 10. But when we get

00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.750
to the DPM recoil system, for Glock pistols,

00:38:28.750 --> 00:38:32.489
which is a compound nested spring. In other words,

00:38:32.489 --> 00:38:35.750
the spring's captured on the recoil rod, and

00:38:35.750 --> 00:38:39.210
it has multiple stages to it. It's therefore

00:38:39.210 --> 00:38:42.690
a progressive spring rate. That, I think, would

00:38:42.690 --> 00:38:45.110
not... It's an expensive item. I mean, those

00:38:45.110 --> 00:38:50.170
things run north of $100. Right. And have one

00:38:50.170 --> 00:38:55.269
in my Glock 19. I like it a lot. But what do

00:38:55.269 --> 00:38:57.630
I think about it as a value proposition? Probably

00:38:57.630 --> 00:39:01.010
not as high because it's kind of hard to just,

00:39:01.130 --> 00:39:02.989
I mean, when you think about you're buying a

00:39:02.989 --> 00:39:07.829
spring. It's 20, 25 or 20 % the value of the

00:39:07.829 --> 00:39:13.489
firearm for a spring and a rod. Yeah. It seems

00:39:13.489 --> 00:39:15.429
like a lot. I mean, wouldn't you think that,

00:39:15.489 --> 00:39:18.050
I mean, I think maybe for the more serious like

00:39:18.050 --> 00:39:21.130
competition shooters. Yes. Yeah. Very serious.

00:39:21.670 --> 00:39:23.969
Yeah, but the average guy, no, I probably would

00:39:23.969 --> 00:39:26.190
not. I wouldn't put it on something that would

00:39:26.190 --> 00:39:28.329
be. I would go out there and do it. Does it improve

00:39:28.329 --> 00:39:30.789
it? Yeah, absolutely. It absolutely improves

00:39:30.789 --> 00:39:33.030
it. But you got the money to do it. You got north

00:39:33.030 --> 00:39:36.590
of $100 to drop on that to try it out, and hopefully

00:39:36.590 --> 00:39:38.670
you like it. Maybe some people wouldn't like

00:39:38.670 --> 00:39:44.090
it. I don't know. Yeah, and I think that my value

00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:46.570
rating for this one, I'm not trying to be evasive,

00:39:46.610 --> 00:39:49.929
but the truth of the matter is. The answer, as

00:39:49.929 --> 00:39:53.610
in many things, is it depends. If you're a new

00:39:53.610 --> 00:39:57.269
shooter or a relatively inexperienced or infrequent

00:39:57.269 --> 00:39:59.929
shooter, I would not be able to say that you

00:39:59.929 --> 00:40:03.190
could ever get the value out of this, that it

00:40:03.190 --> 00:40:05.949
just wouldn't make sense. However, if you're

00:40:05.949 --> 00:40:08.849
an accomplished shooter, a competition shooter,

00:40:09.030 --> 00:40:12.130
and you can feel nuance, it probably actually

00:40:12.130 --> 00:40:14.309
is a great addition because it can do something

00:40:14.309 --> 00:40:17.269
that other things can't do. By changing the progression

00:40:17.269 --> 00:40:21.809
of recoil, It prevents the frame slap. When the

00:40:21.809 --> 00:40:26.210
slide is fully back, it'll lessen that frame

00:40:26.210 --> 00:40:28.829
slap that you get, which to some people, I mean,

00:40:28.849 --> 00:40:30.949
it'll make the gun last longer because it's getting

00:40:30.949 --> 00:40:33.849
less abuse. That might be worth it for you, depending

00:40:33.849 --> 00:40:36.389
on what else you've done with the gun. And if

00:40:36.389 --> 00:40:39.090
you can get back on your sight picture back on

00:40:39.090 --> 00:40:43.489
target quicker, okay, then you pick up a tenth

00:40:43.489 --> 00:40:46.150
of a second. Well, that could be a big difference

00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:48.510
in a life or death situation. Yeah, that's right.

00:40:48.650 --> 00:40:50.989
And then you're not going to be arguing over

00:40:50.989 --> 00:40:54.949
the, I spent $85 or $100 on the spring. I mean,

00:40:54.989 --> 00:40:56.110
it's going to be the best investment you ever

00:40:56.110 --> 00:40:59.239
made, right? Along with training. Along with

00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:03.079
training and all, if anybody carries, you buy

00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:06.139
premium ammunition for carrying. Please do. Yeah,

00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:09.199
you train with the training ammo. That's great.

00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:13.519
You should always shoot some of your ammunition

00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:15.599
that you're going to be doing, that you're going

00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.500
to be carrying all the time. You always should

00:41:17.500 --> 00:41:19.460
have some practice with it. But I understand

00:41:19.460 --> 00:41:22.739
that most carry ammunition that is, bet your

00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:25.420
life ammunition is north of a dollar a round.

00:41:25.929 --> 00:41:27.429
And for a lot of people, that's a lot of money.

00:41:27.590 --> 00:41:30.590
Yeah. And gosh, you brought up something interesting,

00:41:30.730 --> 00:41:35.449
Ken. Talking about training ammunition. Oh, boy.

00:41:36.150 --> 00:41:38.949
You're familiar with the new battle rifle that

00:41:38.949 --> 00:41:43.219
the U .S. military has adopted? The 6 .8? uh

00:41:43.219 --> 00:41:49.579
yeah the 6 .8 by 51 that has an 85 000 psi uh

00:41:49.579 --> 00:41:54.119
case pressure which is amazing which is but you

00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.059
know that they're not training with that round

00:41:56.059 --> 00:41:59.739
right you know they're training did you know

00:41:59.739 --> 00:42:01.940
that yeah they're training i guess with the brass

00:42:01.940 --> 00:42:05.980
round and the and the brass round is at a lower

00:42:05.980 --> 00:42:08.980
pressure in order to do two things one to save

00:42:08.980 --> 00:42:13.860
money because this i mean because those uh hybrid

00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:16.659
cases and but what i mean by hybrid is part brass

00:42:16.659 --> 00:42:19.719
and part steel with aluminum not a washer but

00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.159
i think a locking ring between the uh the various

00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:25.960
parts which by the way just as a mechanical engineer

00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:28.900
would make me think huh by metal corrosion okay

00:42:28.900 --> 00:42:31.820
not going to go there um that's that's a separate

00:42:31.820 --> 00:42:34.820
topic but the the ostensibly the training round

00:42:34.820 --> 00:42:38.739
is essentially the 277 fury which is a brass

00:42:38.739 --> 00:42:43.070
cased lower pressure round so What's the wisdom

00:42:43.070 --> 00:42:45.190
there? Well, does it keep the gun from getting

00:42:45.190 --> 00:42:47.750
beat up? Yeah. Does it save the taxpayers money?

00:42:47.909 --> 00:42:52.429
A lot. Yeah. But do you want our military training

00:42:52.429 --> 00:42:56.949
with a much lower pressure round? Hmm. Hmm. Question.

00:42:57.409 --> 00:43:01.130
And now I understand, and I don't have this on

00:43:01.130 --> 00:43:03.469
good authority. Oh, did I mention, by the way,

00:43:03.489 --> 00:43:07.170
that the spear, which is the nickname for the

00:43:07.170 --> 00:43:10.610
gun, is a SIG product? Eh, just throwing that

00:43:10.610 --> 00:43:13.829
out there. There you go. that it now, again,

00:43:14.050 --> 00:43:17.449
I do not advertise that I have this on good authority,

00:43:17.650 --> 00:43:21.070
that now they've lowered the design case pressure

00:43:21.070 --> 00:43:25.190
to 75 ,000 PSI. Yeah, because apparently they're

00:43:25.190 --> 00:43:27.449
having problems with the 85 ,000 PSI rounds.

00:43:27.690 --> 00:43:31.269
That's a lot of pressure, 85 ,000 PSI. I mean,

00:43:31.289 --> 00:43:34.170
I'm not going to dispute that the round achieves

00:43:34.170 --> 00:43:36.349
objectives that they couldn't achieve otherwise,

00:43:36.469 --> 00:43:41.000
which would be penetration. of now standard -issue

00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:46.000
body armor to threats that are wearing body armor

00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:50.219
at extended ranges. Okay, I get it. Now I understand

00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:52.519
why they did it. But I wonder if they could have

00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:56.119
got there by another redesign of the 5 .56, because

00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:59.440
that's gone through so many evolutions. Now you

00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:03.800
have 77 -grain bullets with great ballistic properties.

00:44:04.489 --> 00:44:08.489
or the 7 .62 by 51 the standard old the 308 you

00:44:08.489 --> 00:44:11.849
know can we never go back to this thing we used

00:44:11.849 --> 00:44:15.849
to do come on now what about the 30 -06 i was

00:44:15.849 --> 00:44:17.050
going to say you're going to and you're going

00:44:17.050 --> 00:44:18.849
to advocate and you're going to advocate for

00:44:18.849 --> 00:44:21.750
the 45 too aren't you well it's a great round

00:44:21.750 --> 00:44:25.070
if 45 is a great one particularly i'm not saying

00:44:25.070 --> 00:44:27.150
anything bad about 45s but you're not going to

00:44:27.150 --> 00:44:29.670
but you're not going to i know maybe you'll get

00:44:29.670 --> 00:44:33.090
to now maybe so so if you had to pick let's say

00:44:33.090 --> 00:44:36.730
a new round Would you go and remember frugal

00:44:36.730 --> 00:44:40.449
firearms? Okay. So ammunition cost matters. Would

00:44:40.449 --> 00:44:42.829
you stick with the nine millimeter? Would you

00:44:42.829 --> 00:44:46.510
go 30? Would you, well, let me finish. Would

00:44:46.510 --> 00:44:51.110
you go super 30, super carry 30, super carry,

00:44:51.210 --> 00:44:56.690
or would you go 5 .7 by 28? No, every day, every,

00:44:56.730 --> 00:44:59.219
every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Why?

00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:03.599
Because it's ubiquitous, okay? And the first

00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:08.039
word in our podcast is frugal. So the 9mm has

00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:13.099
been made for 9mm Parabellum. 9mm for war, literally.

00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:18.000
Parabellum has been available now for over 100

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.820
years. I don't know when they did it. I have

00:45:19.820 --> 00:45:22.139
to look it up. I think it means prepare for war,

00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:24.219
but whatever. Eh, whatever. Whatever. Anyway.

00:45:24.730 --> 00:45:27.150
It's been available for over 100 years. There

00:45:27.150 --> 00:45:30.789
are hundreds of designs. It is by far the most

00:45:30.789 --> 00:45:34.750
popular handgun caliber and probably many carbine

00:45:34.750 --> 00:45:38.670
calibers in the entire world. Are these other

00:45:38.670 --> 00:45:42.110
ones interesting, the .30 Super Carry? Yeah,

00:45:42.170 --> 00:45:45.110
very interesting. No, no, why? Why tell people

00:45:45.110 --> 00:45:46.670
why if they don't know what it is? Why would

00:45:46.670 --> 00:45:49.329
you want Super Carry? Super Carry gives you more

00:45:49.329 --> 00:45:53.510
rounds in the same size frame and they're higher

00:45:53.510 --> 00:45:56.230
velocity and thus flatter shooting and probably

00:45:56.230 --> 00:46:00.050
a little less recoil and quicker on sight picture.

00:46:00.250 --> 00:46:04.409
There are advantages to them. But again, they're

00:46:04.409 --> 00:46:08.510
new. They're the new guy on the block. Would

00:46:08.510 --> 00:46:11.289
I get one? No. Somebody gave me one. Would I

00:46:11.289 --> 00:46:13.610
enjoy it? Probably. But am I going to go out

00:46:13.610 --> 00:46:16.030
and buy 2 ,000 rounds of .30 Super Carry? No.

00:46:16.409 --> 00:46:18.230
I'm not going to do it. And the same thing with

00:46:18.230 --> 00:46:23.489
the 5 .7? 5 .7x28 is a great round. I think United

00:46:23.489 --> 00:46:26.309
States Secret Service uses it. If you're attempting

00:46:26.309 --> 00:46:28.510
to storm the White House or something like that,

00:46:28.630 --> 00:46:31.050
you're probably going to be shot by a 5 .7. I'm

00:46:31.050 --> 00:46:33.250
not trying that. No, I wouldn't try it either.

00:46:33.650 --> 00:46:38.110
Nor do I advocate that any of our listeners do

00:46:38.110 --> 00:46:40.630
that either. There's been enough violence. I'm

00:46:40.630 --> 00:46:43.210
just saying that that is a government round.

00:46:43.429 --> 00:46:46.710
I tend to stick with the government rounds that

00:46:46.710 --> 00:46:49.409
have been tried and true, and a 9mm has been

00:46:49.409 --> 00:46:55.590
vetted for well over 100 years. It's great. You're

00:46:55.590 --> 00:46:59.199
going to find it everywhere. And that's just

00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.139
going to be frugal. Will it do everything you

00:47:01.139 --> 00:47:04.780
want it to do? Pretty much. If you want to do

00:47:04.780 --> 00:47:08.860
something more unique, there are some very nice

00:47:08.860 --> 00:47:13.500
new designs with the Liberty. I think it's Liberty

00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:19.260
Ammunition makes some like 50 grain 9mm. That's

00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:21.179
going to give you over 2 ,000 feet per second.

00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:25.110
And some of our listeners don't know. Typically,

00:47:25.289 --> 00:47:30.650
the 9mm is chambered with a 115 -grain bullet

00:47:30.650 --> 00:47:35.050
projectile. And a 50 -grain, being less than

00:47:35.050 --> 00:47:38.409
half of that, comes screaming out the barrel

00:47:38.409 --> 00:47:43.449
at an additional 800 or 900 feet per second out

00:47:43.449 --> 00:47:44.869
of there. So it's going to be very flat shooting.

00:47:44.929 --> 00:47:46.929
It's going to get to the target very quickly.

00:47:47.050 --> 00:47:49.010
It's going to smack hard but not necessarily

00:47:49.010 --> 00:47:51.989
penetrate as deeply. Again, what are you using

00:47:51.989 --> 00:47:56.590
it for? What I like about the 9mm is it's everywhere

00:47:56.590 --> 00:48:00.769
and everyone's got it. You'll find it anywhere.

00:48:00.909 --> 00:48:04.130
Any gun shop is going to have tons of 9mm for

00:48:04.130 --> 00:48:07.170
sale. And if you need something special, somebody's

00:48:07.170 --> 00:48:11.130
probably designed around a bullet design, a projectile

00:48:11.130 --> 00:48:14.630
design that would be right for purpose. How do

00:48:14.630 --> 00:48:17.809
you know about penetration, though? What would

00:48:17.809 --> 00:48:20.780
you use to measure that? That's a very interesting

00:48:20.780 --> 00:48:23.280
thing. Penetration, you want something that's

00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.300
standardized. And one of the wonderful things

00:48:25.300 --> 00:48:28.099
that the government has done, the FBI in particular,

00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:33.820
they have standardized what is considered to

00:48:33.820 --> 00:48:36.679
be good for self -defense, for example, ammunition.

00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:41.320
And they do that by using a ballistic gel, which

00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:45.050
is basically like Jell -O. uh with a particular

00:48:45.050 --> 00:48:47.530
formulation of it it's stiff freaking jello man

00:48:47.530 --> 00:48:49.550
i wouldn't want to be eating that stuff no it's

00:48:49.550 --> 00:48:52.550
stiff but it's basically jello it is just it

00:48:52.550 --> 00:48:57.610
is designed to mimic um flesh whether that be

00:48:57.610 --> 00:49:00.389
human or or animal or whatever but basically

00:49:00.389 --> 00:49:04.349
that and and they have you can get ballistic

00:49:04.349 --> 00:49:07.349
gel you can buy it i know craig you've got some

00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:09.900
You've got some really cool clear gel stuff.

00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.139
I bought mine from Clear Ballistics, yes. And

00:49:13.139 --> 00:49:18.019
it's a little costy, but it's so much fun, honestly.

00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:21.579
And it's reusable. It is reusable, yeah. And

00:49:21.579 --> 00:49:24.300
you melt it down. But the thing is, it loses

00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:26.840
a little bit of clarity every time you cook it.

00:49:26.940 --> 00:49:29.320
But what's the alternative? The alternative is

00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:33.539
that you can make homemade ballistics gel out

00:49:33.539 --> 00:49:38.099
of, like, Knox gelatin. But what do you run into

00:49:38.099 --> 00:49:41.300
then? I mean, well, is it cheaper? Yeah, it's

00:49:41.300 --> 00:49:44.420
cheaper. No question. Is it as clear? Not anywhere

00:49:44.420 --> 00:49:46.000
close. Not anywhere near as close. And you know

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.039
what? You can make it more clear, and I forgot

00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:51.559
what you add to it. I want to say it's, oh, there's

00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.039
an additive you can, I think it might be hydrogen

00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:56.280
peroxide. I'm not sure. There's something you

00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.599
can add to the homemade stuff that makes it much

00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.400
more clear and less yellow. But the other problem

00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.139
is that it's very temperature sensitive. right

00:50:05.139 --> 00:50:06.659
you have to keep it cold you have to take it

00:50:06.659 --> 00:50:08.380
to the range of the cooler if you live in a hot

00:50:08.380 --> 00:50:10.980
place right because it starts to literally melt

00:50:10.980 --> 00:50:14.360
and then it kind of blows apart and it i don't

00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.159
know i thought for me right i would buy the the

00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.119
clear ballistics and get the 10 stuff that the

00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:24.380
fbi uses 10 what comes in 10 and 20 concentrations

00:50:24.380 --> 00:50:28.840
uh and you can also do what what uh paul harrell

00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.449
did on his um his YouTube videos. Paul Harrell

00:50:32.449 --> 00:50:35.469
was a, he passed away recently of pancreatic

00:50:35.469 --> 00:50:37.989
cancer, but he has, I think hundreds of videos

00:50:37.989 --> 00:50:40.670
out there. And he always did a meat target where

00:50:40.670 --> 00:50:45.150
he had denim, you know, that he'd have covered

00:50:45.150 --> 00:50:48.010
up, that he'd have. He usually bought pork ribs,

00:50:48.170 --> 00:50:50.550
I think it was. I like pork ribs, though. I don't

00:50:50.550 --> 00:50:53.130
want to shoot him. You'd shoot him. Behind it,

00:50:53.150 --> 00:50:56.010
you know, he had whatever, a bag of oranges to

00:50:56.010 --> 00:51:00.510
simulate lung tissue. And on the back, he had

00:51:00.510 --> 00:51:03.630
more pork ribs. Yeah, more pork ribs on the back,

00:51:03.630 --> 00:51:05.489
and I think it wrapped it with denim. So he basically

00:51:05.489 --> 00:51:09.219
was assembling a torso. And he would shoot these

00:51:09.219 --> 00:51:12.460
things with all sorts of different calibers.

00:51:12.460 --> 00:51:13.940
And he'd go through and take the meat target

00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:15.739
apart and say, well, it hit the bone and went

00:51:15.739 --> 00:51:18.219
this way. And he'd look at the destructive capabilities

00:51:18.219 --> 00:51:22.280
of it. But that's such a mess. It is a complete

00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:26.539
mess. But again, I would recommend to those of

00:51:26.539 --> 00:51:29.539
you who've not listened to Paul Harrell, H -A

00:51:29.539 --> 00:51:32.639
-R -R -E -L -L, I believe, Paul Harrell, maybe

00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.579
one L, I'm not sure. but paul passed away recently

00:51:35.579 --> 00:51:38.900
but he has his youtube channel is still out there

00:51:38.900 --> 00:51:42.619
it's being run by his brother right now uh he

00:51:42.619 --> 00:51:47.440
was a fantastic uh youtuber uh firearms guy uh

00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:49.679
definitely opinionated had a lot of opinions

00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.199
a lot of training over the years i would recommend

00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.760
uh tuning into some of his um his youtube videos

00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:58.000
that he's produced and even some of the new ones

00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.159
that his brother's been producing so i want to

00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.739
say that the garren thumb guys And by the way,

00:52:02.780 --> 00:52:05.000
I do believe that is the correct. Most people

00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.780
say grand. I've heard that that is the incorrect

00:52:07.780 --> 00:52:10.239
way to say it. It's actually Garand. So I'm going

00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:12.800
to stick with that until, well, I'm never going

00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:14.539
to meet the guy until I get to heaven, but whatever.

00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:18.099
Right. The, the, that Garand thumb, I think uses

00:52:18.099 --> 00:52:20.900
the, I believe it's them on their YouTube channel

00:52:20.900 --> 00:52:24.239
has used the same technique of ribs and fruit

00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:27.619
and denim and, you know, all strung together.

00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.300
But Holy crap. Is that a lot of. Exactly. You

00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:33.159
tape it all together. Clear Ballistics, Joe,

00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:34.860
what does it do for you guys? I mean, why would

00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:37.699
you spend the money to buy a block? Just buy

00:52:37.699 --> 00:52:40.079
one because you can use it over and over. It

00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:43.539
gives you the objective, consistent, round -to

00:52:43.539 --> 00:52:47.110
-round comparison. I could compare the Super

00:52:47.110 --> 00:52:50.309
Carry to the 5 .7x28. I could compare it to 9mm.

00:52:50.309 --> 00:52:52.909
I could compare it to 45. Recently, I posted

00:52:52.909 --> 00:52:55.190
a video that, by the way, I shouldn't have done

00:52:55.190 --> 00:52:57.090
it this way because I was too close. It blew

00:52:57.090 --> 00:53:00.650
powder into the gel, which then becomes part

00:53:00.650 --> 00:53:04.809
of the yellowing of the gel. But I posted a slow

00:53:04.809 --> 00:53:07.429
motion video of when we were at the range last

00:53:07.429 --> 00:53:11.469
time shooting a .223 and how incredibly destructive

00:53:11.469 --> 00:53:14.960
that is compared to like... an FMJ nine millimeter

00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:17.360
that just scoots right through. And like, is

00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:20.019
there a hole here or not? So you, yes, you can

00:53:20.019 --> 00:53:22.880
make it yourself. But honestly, guys, you know,

00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:26.420
my value proposition for, if you want a gel that

00:53:26.420 --> 00:53:29.480
you're going to do this as a hobby or even as

00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.539
a profession, I would still say, spend the money.

00:53:32.860 --> 00:53:35.619
Even if it's not frugal, get the clear ballistics

00:53:35.619 --> 00:53:39.079
gel, get it on sale. They run sales and get the

00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.480
mold and buy the mold. so that you have the correct

00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.500
mold to melt it back in and then you've got the

00:53:44.500 --> 00:53:46.719
same size block when you're done you know you'll

00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.000
spend 100 bucks on this but it's going to last

00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:50.760
you and you're going to get consistent results

00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:55.000
if you can't do that there is a site and just

00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:56.960
as we kind of close out here because i think

00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:58.659
we're you know pretty much at the end of the

00:53:58.659 --> 00:54:03.150
podcast lucky gunner labs Lucky Gunner sells

00:54:03.150 --> 00:54:06.409
is a source for ammunition. Lucky Gunner Labs

00:54:06.409 --> 00:54:10.530
is their subsidiary or I guess, you know, little

00:54:10.530 --> 00:54:13.590
brother site where they do testing of ammunition.

00:54:13.730 --> 00:54:16.869
Now, admittedly, it hasn't been updated in a

00:54:16.869 --> 00:54:21.389
long time, but they have some amazing tests there

00:54:21.389 --> 00:54:25.809
that show caliber to caliber and within a caliber,

00:54:25.869 --> 00:54:29.550
many, many, many different options of what the

00:54:29.550 --> 00:54:32.440
ballistics gel. results would be now why do i

00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.800
say this is important because at least the ammunition

00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:39.599
that i carry i have vetted against their tests

00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.519
and specifically i'm talking about their handgun

00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:44.739
self -defense ammunition ballistic test which

00:54:44.739 --> 00:54:48.460
i'm looking at right now that allows me to know

00:54:48.909 --> 00:54:52.190
that i have around that is going to be consistent

00:54:52.190 --> 00:54:55.190
round around in terms of penetration because

00:54:55.190 --> 00:54:58.170
under penetration might not stop the threat but

00:54:58.170 --> 00:55:00.230
over penetration could be worse because it might

00:55:00.230 --> 00:55:03.130
hit something beyond the threat um that you don't

00:55:03.130 --> 00:55:05.150
want to hit and remember just because you quote

00:55:05.150 --> 00:55:08.130
unquote know what is you know around your target

00:55:08.130 --> 00:55:10.170
and beyond it doesn't mean that's where the bullet's

00:55:10.170 --> 00:55:12.429
going i mean the bullet can come out sideways

00:55:13.019 --> 00:55:16.380
When it hits bone or just turning in a viscous

00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:18.599
medium, it can go a direction you didn't expect

00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.320
and exit that thing you shot. And this allows

00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.659
me to know that I've got a high performance round

00:55:24.659 --> 00:55:28.000
with good expansion and allows me to know that

00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.980
that round performed consistently and didn't

00:55:30.980 --> 00:55:34.280
have big differences round to round in penetration.

00:55:34.380 --> 00:55:37.739
Because as a legal consideration, I think it

00:55:37.739 --> 00:55:39.980
matters. You may have some thoughts on that,

00:55:39.980 --> 00:55:42.239
Ken, whether maybe I'm just paranoid or something.

00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.119
No, I don't think you're paranoid at all. I think

00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.280
you brought up some very good points. We have

00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:50.099
some products that we've received that we are

00:55:50.099 --> 00:55:53.420
reviewing. And by the way, listeners, in cases,

00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:57.619
it's normal for podcasts to get samples to review

00:55:57.619 --> 00:55:59.820
because otherwise you can't intelligently talk

00:55:59.820 --> 00:56:01.900
about something and you can't ethically talk

00:56:01.900 --> 00:56:03.920
about it if you've never seen it or used it.

00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:06.400
And in every one of our cases, and there are

00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.900
cases of this, if the manufacturer sends us a

00:56:09.900 --> 00:56:12.820
sample they want back, they get it back. We're

00:56:12.820 --> 00:56:15.739
not doing this to get swag. That's not the point.

00:56:15.900 --> 00:56:19.679
But we now have an early release of the Mantis

00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:25.900
Titan X. And that is, I think... Go ahead. I

00:56:25.900 --> 00:56:29.800
think it's a game changer for basically training

00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:33.900
purposes at home, that type of thing. We haven't

00:56:33.900 --> 00:56:37.260
had too much time playing with it yet, but basically

00:56:37.260 --> 00:56:41.219
it is a Glock 19. Like you said, it's a game

00:56:41.219 --> 00:56:43.139
changer because it allows you to get objective

00:56:43.139 --> 00:56:45.820
feedback and go back to listen to our Mantis

00:56:45.820 --> 00:56:49.400
episode, please, folks. And you'll see that you

00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:51.340
can get feedback from this. You can't get anyplace

00:56:51.340 --> 00:56:55.300
else. That's true. And basically. It's a laser,

00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.579
and it's going to, with a highly sensitive directional

00:56:59.579 --> 00:57:05.159
accelerometer that's built into this simulated

00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:10.500
pistol, okay? And basically, it will tell you

00:57:10.500 --> 00:57:13.159
during the half a second before you're pulling

00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:16.380
the trigger whether you're... pulling it down

00:57:16.380 --> 00:57:18.820
to the left, jerking it to the right. It's going

00:57:18.820 --> 00:57:20.739
to capture all of that, and it can display that

00:57:20.739 --> 00:57:23.579
either on a smartphone or a tablet. So this is

00:57:23.579 --> 00:57:26.019
a way of basically practicing, and you can also

00:57:26.019 --> 00:57:28.860
practice magazine changes because it's got full

00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:31.800
-size Glock magazine changes that you can do

00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:36.900
on it. And it's a phenomenal tool. Every time

00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:38.900
you squeeze the trigger, you don't have to cycle

00:57:38.900 --> 00:57:41.000
the... Well, don't give too much away. I won't

00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:42.260
give too much away. Because we're going to be

00:57:42.260 --> 00:57:45.119
doing that show. I'm saying... It's a phenomenal

00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:48.659
tool. I think the list price is going to be around

00:57:48.659 --> 00:57:55.280
$200 or so at that range. And frankly, I think

00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:57.280
it should be purchased by pretty much anybody

00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:59.360
who has a 9mm that they're going to be using

00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.320
for home defense. They want to practice and necessarily

00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:05.679
either can't afford to or can't get to the range

00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:07.699
as often as they would like. Or just wants more

00:58:07.699 --> 00:58:09.699
reps and sets because, I mean, you can do it

00:58:09.699 --> 00:58:13.389
in your house safely. I mean, how long does it

00:58:13.389 --> 00:58:16.170
take to burn through $200 in ammo? This is going

00:58:16.170 --> 00:58:18.190
to last a lot longer and give you more rips and

00:58:18.190 --> 00:58:19.550
sets. And the other shows that we have coming

00:58:19.550 --> 00:58:22.789
up with Vantage Point, pardon me, Vantage Point

00:58:22.789 --> 00:58:27.570
that makes a rail mounted compensator. And another

00:58:27.570 --> 00:58:31.469
one is Otis, which by the way, yeah, if you don't

00:58:31.469 --> 00:58:35.849
know, Otis is the same parent company that owns

00:58:35.849 --> 00:58:39.780
Shooter's Choice. So in terms of, you know, really

00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:42.199
some of the premier gun cleaning and maintenance

00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:43.980
equipment out there. And we're going to have

00:58:43.980 --> 00:58:47.840
them featured up pretty soon, too. All right.

00:58:47.860 --> 00:58:50.059
So I think that about wraps it up. Just a you

00:58:50.059 --> 00:58:52.059
and me show. We haven't done a product review

00:58:52.059 --> 00:58:55.119
show in a very long time. And I mean, just a

00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.159
you and me show, that is. We've had, of course,

00:58:57.179 --> 00:58:58.800
guests that we're going to be getting more on.

00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.619
We have other things on our list we didn't get

00:59:01.619 --> 00:59:04.619
to today. Active hearing protection is something

00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:07.099
we're going to be talking about. the Rock Island

00:59:07.099 --> 00:59:09.880
Armory 1911 series. We're going to be talking

00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:12.300
about that as well. We're going to be talking

00:59:12.300 --> 00:59:15.760
about an adjustable trigger for a Glock, at least

00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:18.579
the Glocks that are, you know, the legacy ones,

00:59:18.699 --> 00:59:21.579
not the V series, and actually a number of other

00:59:21.579 --> 00:59:23.900
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00:59:24.139 --> 00:59:28.179
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00:59:45.929 --> 00:59:48.070
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01:01:45.219 --> 01:02:07.719
And we'll be back again soon. Good night. The

01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:09.760
problem here is that we also have a drink package

01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:12.059
that went with this so I can drink as much as

01:02:12.059 --> 01:02:14.300
I want, which in this case may not be a good

01:02:14.300 --> 01:02:15.280
thing. No.