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When you look downrange at the $375 light or

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the $37 light that I picked up off Amazon and

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they throw the same beam, and I'm not a tier

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one guy, I want to light this reliable that does

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what I need it to do and doesn't break the bank.

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And yours does something that other lights don't

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do. Welcome to episode 21. Yes, number 21. The

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show is now fully legal of the Frugal Firearms

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podcast. The podcast is here to reveal stuff

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that you're just not going to find any place

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else. And not only do that, but save you money

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and make the most of your investments in shooting.

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Today is going to be a really very... Very interesting

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show because we got a prototype. Well, not literally

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a prototype, but we got a pre -release version

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of something that you guys are going to want.

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I mean, I'm going to want it. My co -host Ken's

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going to want it. You know, everyone really in

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a home defense scenario is going to want. We

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had the opportunity to look at full spectrum

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lightings, new 180 degree. Weapon -mounted light.

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Yes, I did say that. 180 degrees it illuminates.

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So not worrying about how large the cone is,

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and you've heard all these discussions before

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about various competitors talking about how big

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the center dot should be and how wide the throw

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should be on the cone of light. This covers it

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all. And we did actually do some measurements

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on this last night, and we're thoroughly impressed.

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We've been talking to the owner of this company

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now since the SHOT Show coming up on 10 months

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ago, Mr. Roy McGovern. He's joined us online.

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But first, as always, let's bring on my co -host,

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Ken. Ken, what was your impressions of the light

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that we reviewed last night? Very impressive.

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I mean, I have been used to your typical weapons

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mount and light where it throws a beam pretty

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much just in front of you, you know, with a certain

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width. This particular one gave you complete

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illumination, a 180 -degree illumination. I think

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the human eye does a little over 180 for most

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people, like 185 to 190 or something. Kind of

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the reason I know that is my mom had macular

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degeneration. And, of course, the main thing

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about that is you lose your peripheral vision

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until finally you lose your entire vision. So

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it kind of shrinks from the outside in. But the

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great thing about this light is, wow, we did

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it outdoors. We tried it in several different

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scenarios. And when you turn it on. So it's like

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both sides of you, everything that you can see

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on the side of your peripheral vision, as well

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as what you focus on most likely at the center,

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is illuminated. So if there's somebody standing

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there, you didn't know it, or a dog, or whatever

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it might be, very impressive. Yeah. So we had

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some interesting comments that we wanted to mention

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about it, but with that, I can pass it back over

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to you, Craig, and we can get Roy going here.

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Yeah, we don't want to, you know, shoot our dog

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or shoot much less. family member or something

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like that, just because you hear a noise off

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to the side. And it's going to sound euphemistic

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to say it's like the sun coming up, but it's

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much more of a daylight -like scenario than you

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can't even imagine this really, honestly, until

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you use it, unless you simply go to turn the

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lights on in your house, how much better this

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is than what's out there. welcome to the show

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again uh roy mcgovern uh thank you creator of

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the full spectrum lighting and roy what was the

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inspiration for this what you know why do you

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enter a space that's so damn crowded with competitors

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all the way from the cheapest thing on amazon

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up to the very very expensive competitors oh

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i i still i still ask myself that question um

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but yes you're you're up against Creating a new

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car tire, you know, it's round. It does the same

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thing over and over. And so that redundancy starts

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to limit the scope of ingenuity. Right. And so

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when I owned a mortgage company, I helped out

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a lot of law enforcement folks and had no technical

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background in engineering or. constructing flashlights,

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but there was a incident where someone was killed

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and I watched the body cam over and over and

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over. And it was resoundingly scary because Sacramento

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is notorious for how many trees they have. And

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it is very, very dark in certain neighborhoods

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there. And so that being the impetus of trying

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to help the situation that is presented to these

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deputies and officers. That's why. And I kept

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asking myself, what if they could see a little

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more? I'm saying a little more in addition to

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their existing weapon mounted light. And so I

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came up with this Frankenstein idea of bending

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an led holder 180 degrees and putting that inside

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a reflector housing the the main issue is that

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you don't have a cone anymore right so it's going

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to be a completely different style of light so

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there wasn't much to work from or any reference

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points and so After having a couple samples of

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it, I attended a Cops West convention down in

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Ontario back in almost three years ago. And it

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won the best in show, or excuse me, most visited

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in the show both days. But unfortunately, it

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was too large for their gear. And so there were...

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About 30 agencies there and 19 of which were

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very selective with, you know, Roy, if you can

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build this that fits our pistol and long gun,

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we are absolutely interested. We'll absolutely

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help you. You know, you can ask us every question

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you seem or you may deem trivial. And so I have

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to give them. the majority of the credit because

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i would i would keep coming up with scenarios

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that i learned just like you or ken would online

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you would see performance you would see lumens

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you could you would see battery life but in reality

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a lot of those product bulletin details don't

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apply to the majority of the situations that

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they needed me to help with so for example you

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know when you have a corona and a candela right

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so the hot spot is on the wall that's your candela

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but the aura around it is your corona well the

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brighter a light on a wall is the less and less

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you're going to see on your left and right it's

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just that's how the eye works um and so oddly

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they were getting too bright um in certain circumstances

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because they would bounce off um you know acrylics

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and uh gloss paint walls windows mirrors inside

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the home um and so so those that was just an

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example of how at times the industry is very

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disconnected with the end user. And so, as of

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about two months ago, I finally was able to get

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the samples that are basically 95 % done. The

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rest is just going to be cosmetic, slight updates,

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battery, USB -C charging port, things like that.

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But one of the other things before we move on

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that struck me as astounding is that of all the

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flashlights in the world none of them that go

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on a gun have a warning when the battery's running

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out that that to me was the most lacking detail

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um that that i had I had ever experienced when

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comparing one product to another. And so I can

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speak freely about it now, but there's a husband

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and wife team in Stockton, California, and they

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work evenings. And that's one of the more dangerous

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locations in the country. Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness.

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And so, you know, they would describe certain

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situations where you're... You don't have time

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to change a battery during a foot pursuit or

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even in a clearing of an area. They're not even

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going to they're going to turn their gun light

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off and go to their backup. I'll call it traffic

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ticket light. Right. So that was very helpful

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to me. So I said, well, listen, what if on the

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back of the gun light resting against the trigger

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guard, if two. extremely faint led red lights

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came on when you had less than 20 percent left

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and he said that that is going to be the best

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thing in my opinion roy that you could offer

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i get the whole 180 degrees that's that's that's

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really intriguing and it's very effective for

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us but when i know the battery is going to die

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that keeps my confidence high it keeps my panic

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low And so it's actually pretty clever because

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the light is so weak, it'll only illuminate if

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you're right -handed. Your left hand, your thumb,

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you might see a little bit of red on it. Okay,

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so just to make sure what you meant by that,

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because you said the light is so weak. You don't

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mean the light coming out at the target. You're

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talking about the LED that refers to battery

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strength. Yeah, back toward your eyes. You can

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see when the weapon is deployed. So you're not

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getting blinded by your own or distracted by

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your own battery indicator, and it's not using

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much power. Oh, yeah. It's a very subtle glow.

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I'll call it the radius of an IV poke, right?

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When you've got to get an IV at the hospital,

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it is about two -tenths of a millimeter round.

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And so it's waterproof and there's no sealant.

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That's how small that hole is because the water

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will just film over. It won't penetrate something

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that tight of a radius, but it will because when

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your gun comes up and it's at eye level, you'll

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see your thumbs, you know, a very faint red light

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and that is not meant to capture. Any amount

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of attention other than go to your backup light.

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So you click the light off, go to your backup

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light, you're in business. Well, what kind of

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battery life are you seeing on the device? Your

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average person, and by the way, let's set the

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table for this. You vetted this through primarily

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law enforcement and military in the design process.

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Is that true? Yes. How do you see your going

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forward? I mean, obviously you've got that market

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because you vetted it with these guys. And I'm

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assuming that many of these departments are going

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to follow through and do the right thing and

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actually buy your product, you know, once it

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comes to, you know, fruition and final design

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and becomes available. But what is the rest of

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your anticipated market look like in terms of,

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let's say, homeowners, things like that, individuals?

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And does the design change at all for those markets?

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Or is it the same product? I think there could

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be another iteration of it that wouldn't require

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much. Like we had discussed, I'll call it tactical

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versus consumer. The tactical version, we had

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the left and right LEDs dimmed a little bit just

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in case you're clearing a larger, say, parking

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garage where there's no power. That's a mainstay

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in Central California. So, you know, you start

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to round the edges. Well, you don't want the

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lights, you don't want them too bright. But again,

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for the consumer. And then it comes down to battery

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life. So does the consumer want all three LEDs

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blindingly light or bright? Sorry, I would say

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yes. And so if battery life can be sacrificed

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a little and taking into consideration these

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shooting scenarios for a homeowner or a carjacking,

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they're not going to last more than two or three

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minutes. If somebody is going to carjack you,

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the hope is that you can get your gun up and

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hold it kind of at the window as you're looking

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away to blind anyone coming towards you. But

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that situation would go fast. As far as the home

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protection, I think it's the same thing. I think

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if you go out to your backyard, where I live,

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there's a lot of detached garages and they get

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robbed a lot. So if you're going out into that

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setting, I would think a lot of shooting ranges

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and range masters would tell you, if it's out

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of your sight, line of sight, stop pursuing it,

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back away, call law enforcement and get a very

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safe defensive position. So that's a long answer.

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The quick answer is yes. I think it's appropriate

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to have a consumer version that'll last a little

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bit less. than the tactical but a lot brighter

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because you don't train for that every day like

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they do because you mentioned the thing that

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the the reason that we saw the amount of light

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output that we saw and by the way for listeners

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No one here is saying that the prototype or the

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95 % version we saw was not an adequate amount

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of light. It is absolutely adequate, particularly

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indoors. I mean, I was using it outside at ranges

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of nearly 100 feet. Right. And, Ken, you said

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it last night. Ken, I mean, would you take a

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shot at 100 feet with a handgun? I'd have to

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have a darn good reason for it. Yeah. No, I mean,

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defensive range is, you know. Probably 15 yards

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would be my absolute maximum. Yeah, because probably

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anything beyond that, unless it's just some sort

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of a, I don't know, Hollywood, almost unimaginable

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situation, you may not be justified in taking

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the shot. There's probably other people around.

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I mean, it just isn't probably a bad choice.

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The longest shot I would ever probably take is

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inside the church where I go to. you know where

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i sit type of thing where it's a larger auditorium

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type of thing and if i had to take a shot uh

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that could be upwards of 100 feet but it and

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that would be and very planned if i would have

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had to do that that's a that's a tough one though

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because there's going to be so many people around

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and i mean even getting day or night getting

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a clear shot it's going to be a tough one no

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matter what but you know roy's product used indoors,

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which we also did, and used in an outside corridor,

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which kind of simulates an alley. It was great.

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It was awesome. And for people to understand

00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:05.799
the type of light throw that we're talking about,

00:17:05.940 --> 00:17:10.559
the lens on the device throws kind of a bowtie

00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.440
effect. Now imagine the knot of a bowtie, and

00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.299
it's... bit rectangular isn't it that center

00:17:16.299 --> 00:17:19.180
section is not round it is in fact rectangular

00:17:19.180 --> 00:17:21.539
like almost like the silhouette of a standing

00:17:21.539 --> 00:17:24.619
man um which is kind of a neat feature because

00:17:24.619 --> 00:17:28.799
it illuminates a person fully head to toe at

00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.940
a very you know reasonable range but then the

00:17:31.940 --> 00:17:34.900
the two lobes shall we say to the left and right

00:17:34.900 --> 00:17:38.740
are sort of again the bow tie effect of it spreads

00:17:38.740 --> 00:17:42.309
vertically which arguably is a good thing because

00:17:42.309 --> 00:17:45.950
as you scan to your left and right, even if you're

00:17:45.950 --> 00:17:49.190
not actively scanning, but peripherally, I said

00:17:49.190 --> 00:17:51.130
that right, didn't I? Peripherally scanning,

00:17:51.410 --> 00:17:54.829
you're getting some vertical information, a guy

00:17:54.829 --> 00:17:57.970
on the floor, a guy standing at the top of a

00:17:57.970 --> 00:18:01.650
stairwell, something like that. So yeah, go ahead,

00:18:01.829 --> 00:18:03.769
Roy. I hope I didn't throw you off your story

00:18:03.769 --> 00:18:06.329
there, but really we want to talk about what

00:18:06.329 --> 00:18:08.890
differentiates your product from all of your

00:18:08.890 --> 00:18:11.920
competition. Feel free to name them if you want

00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.240
to, and you told me, by the way, that the law

00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:18.400
enforcement people said that they had a couple

00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:20.200
types of lights, which I won't mention if you

00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:22.339
don't, that they wanted to be able to fit into

00:18:22.339 --> 00:18:24.279
their holster, and you want the form factor to

00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:26.640
be able to use the same holster. And that's not

00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:28.759
saying anything bad about those companies. It's

00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:31.420
just yours is different. Yeah, and those holsters

00:18:31.420 --> 00:18:36.859
cost money. Exactly, Ken, and I'll never forget.

00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.519
almost 20 locations that, you know, their fleet

00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:46.059
manager and the range master came over and they

00:18:46.059 --> 00:18:48.180
said, oh my goodness, that'd be so awesome if

00:18:48.180 --> 00:18:51.240
you shrunk it down. But then there were six of

00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:56.099
those locations that said, we will buy those

00:18:56.099 --> 00:18:59.319
the moment they're ready, as long as they fit

00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:03.240
our Glock 17 and Safari land holster. And so

00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:08.819
that, that constraint. proved incredibly difficult

00:19:08.819 --> 00:19:13.119
it felt like we were building a smartphone you

00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:17.119
know when you start expanding from a single led

00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:22.200
to three leds the problem is you have to have

00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.980
a driver right you have to have a toggle as well

00:19:25.980 --> 00:19:28.119
because if you want to go from eight you know

00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:32.180
180 degrees down to 35 degrees you need what's

00:19:32.180 --> 00:19:34.420
called a driver as well like a printed circuit

00:19:34.420 --> 00:19:37.279
board now If you have like the, you know, the

00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:39.700
most two traditional lights out there are surefire

00:19:39.700 --> 00:19:43.180
and stream light, and they have one cone and

00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:46.799
one led that throws the light. So that put into

00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:50.819
perspective is very, very simple that that printed

00:19:50.819 --> 00:19:53.099
circuit board is about the radius of a nickel

00:19:53.099 --> 00:19:55.880
and the led is right in the middle of it. So

00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:57.980
all you have to do is connect a battery on both

00:19:57.980 --> 00:20:01.920
ends and you're hot. Now, if you try to tell

00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:07.329
an led holder, which is just imagine a real thick,

00:20:07.430 --> 00:20:11.230
heat -sensitive piece of duct tape with three

00:20:11.230 --> 00:20:18.650
LEDs on it to switch from 35 to 180. That created

00:20:18.650 --> 00:20:23.730
a logistical issue. But I do think the folks

00:20:23.730 --> 00:20:27.349
that I'd met, especially the state of California

00:20:27.349 --> 00:20:30.420
and Stockton, I mean, they were just... Probably

00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:34.059
getting annoyed they didn't show it, but I could

00:20:34.059 --> 00:20:36.039
tell. I'm like, man, I'm asking them so many

00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:39.839
questions. Well, Craig, you hit on a very important

00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:43.940
aspect. At about 15 feet away, they didn't want

00:20:43.940 --> 00:20:46.380
the round. They wanted me to throw a doorway.

00:20:46.740 --> 00:20:50.660
That's why it's rectangular. And so when you're

00:20:50.660 --> 00:20:54.359
clearing a doorway and you have slightly less

00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:59.230
illumination, within that 180 degree span on

00:20:59.230 --> 00:21:02.569
your nine and three, you're hopefully seeing

00:21:02.569 --> 00:21:07.509
enough in your periphery where it's not something

00:21:07.509 --> 00:21:12.269
you need to fire at or engage with. Hopefully

00:21:12.269 --> 00:21:17.609
you're aiming at a doorway or a hallway or walking

00:21:17.609 --> 00:21:24.740
around a blind wall that has a long span. Right.

00:21:24.819 --> 00:21:27.420
So that way you can kind of turn the light as

00:21:27.420 --> 00:21:30.680
you're walking around a corner instead of getting

00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.859
your entire body or your entire right arm around

00:21:33.859 --> 00:21:37.559
the corner to clear it. But yeah, the quick answer,

00:21:37.660 --> 00:21:40.599
that rectangle is very much intentional and it's

00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:43.500
to throw the doorway. Because what I'm what I'm

00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:46.099
envisioning here is almost like and what you've

00:21:46.099 --> 00:21:48.759
been talking about seems like the light was designed

00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.710
for interior space. searching the house, searching

00:21:52.710 --> 00:21:55.430
and so forth. And I can definitely see what you're

00:21:55.430 --> 00:21:57.970
talking about, where you want to have that square

00:21:57.970 --> 00:22:01.369
or rectangular illumination. And then the other

00:22:01.369 --> 00:22:05.329
one is the outdoor one. I'm thinking of, you

00:22:05.329 --> 00:22:08.990
know, I watch the cops who do up in Alaska or

00:22:08.990 --> 00:22:10.849
different parts of the country. They're never

00:22:10.849 --> 00:22:14.769
indoors. They're always outdoors someplace. And

00:22:14.769 --> 00:22:18.430
to them, I think the... wider center thing that

00:22:18.430 --> 00:22:21.849
throws a a further distance one so i almost either

00:22:21.849 --> 00:22:26.109
envision like two versions of the lens one for

00:22:26.109 --> 00:22:29.970
interior uh sort of work uh that's where you

00:22:29.970 --> 00:22:32.849
anticipating it being for urban environments

00:22:32.849 --> 00:22:37.130
and then perhaps one for um more out in the country

00:22:37.130 --> 00:22:38.650
type people where people are going to be throwing

00:22:38.650 --> 00:22:41.089
things at a further distance or whatever, and

00:22:41.089 --> 00:22:44.190
they're going to want that longer throw. Do you

00:22:44.190 --> 00:22:46.410
mean interchangeably? Is that what you mean?

00:22:46.430 --> 00:22:48.289
Not necessarily interchangeably. I mean, you

00:22:48.289 --> 00:22:51.930
might buy it with, I mean, the lenses that I

00:22:51.930 --> 00:22:54.750
basically saw that were on there, I mean, you

00:22:54.750 --> 00:22:57.650
can buy it with one lens, which has what we basically

00:22:57.650 --> 00:23:01.170
saw. Long range and short range. Long range and

00:23:01.170 --> 00:23:04.150
short range type of thing. And depending on what

00:23:04.150 --> 00:23:07.160
type of, work you tend to do if you're an urban

00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:09.299
cop and you're in an urban environment you're

00:23:09.299 --> 00:23:11.440
in buildings you're in these things okay then

00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.539
you want this particular lens if you're not if

00:23:14.539 --> 00:23:16.799
you're uh you know country sheriff you're out

00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:18.500
in the middle of wyoming or wherever you know

00:23:18.500 --> 00:23:20.740
you're just doing further things out then you

00:23:20.740 --> 00:23:23.759
need you need the different type of lens i'm

00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:27.339
just i'm just spitballing no no no no that that's

00:23:27.339 --> 00:23:30.700
you're spot on as a matter of fact was that a

00:23:30.700 --> 00:23:38.640
pun Well, the state of California. So imagine

00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.440
you're in the middle of nowhere approaching people

00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:46.859
that are poaching fish. Right. And that's black

00:23:46.859 --> 00:23:49.339
dark. That's like where I live in Western New

00:23:49.339 --> 00:23:54.420
York. I mean, there's no light. But what we did

00:23:54.420 --> 00:23:58.980
is you can see on the sample that you have, there

00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:04.059
is a half dome. OK, so we'll call that a dome

00:24:04.059 --> 00:24:07.420
refractor. All it does is magnify the light.

00:24:07.539 --> 00:24:11.420
That's all. That's every headlamp, every high

00:24:11.420 --> 00:24:13.759
beam headlamp on every car. It's just a little

00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:18.500
dome in front of a big LED. And so we're going

00:24:18.500 --> 00:24:21.599
to put three of those on for the out for like

00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:25.279
Madera County for Fish and Game for, you know,

00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:28.819
Henderson, Nevada. I mean, that the light you

00:24:28.819 --> 00:24:31.849
lose that light. And if there's no reflective

00:24:31.849 --> 00:24:34.930
properties where you're at, like more desert

00:24:34.930 --> 00:24:38.269
landscape. Yeah, Henderson, there you are, right?

00:24:38.410 --> 00:24:41.109
Oh my God, that's the light's vulnerability.

00:24:41.609 --> 00:24:45.230
Every single one, you know, if you don't have

00:24:45.230 --> 00:24:48.549
anything for it to bounce off of. But no, no,

00:24:48.589 --> 00:24:53.369
no, I'm, well, we were very aware of that. And

00:24:53.369 --> 00:24:58.400
for certain scenarios. Because you always hear

00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.980
about the larger agencies, but there's far more

00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:06.339
that are not in urban settings. Yeah. You know,

00:25:06.460 --> 00:25:10.559
I mean, NYPD, they very rarely have any gun lights.

00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:14.079
It's so dense. And there's so much light all

00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:19.640
the time. So that was peculiar. I guess every

00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.920
department allows you to buy your own equipment

00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:29.700
and holster. It's Rangemaster approved, but like

00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:33.019
you said, Ken, when you're outside, if you're

00:25:33.019 --> 00:25:39.420
on a traffic stop on I -5 past Bakersfield, you

00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:43.539
know, at times there's nothing. You want to at

00:25:43.539 --> 00:25:46.559
least circle to one side to keep them both in

00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:50.980
a span of light. That was exactly what the captain

00:25:50.980 --> 00:25:54.559
told me. She said, we have pulled up on people

00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:57.160
so often and they run left and right, hoping

00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:01.660
one gets away. And when you turn a focal beam

00:26:01.660 --> 00:26:05.640
on someone, you're going to lose from the peripheral

00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:09.240
deterioration. You're going to lose that person

00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:12.059
running to the left or right, the opposite direction.

00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:15.259
And so, but yeah, quick answer. There's going

00:26:15.259 --> 00:26:19.859
to be a triple dome frontal reflector housing.

00:26:20.730 --> 00:26:23.190
And it's going to be chromed on the inside. The

00:26:23.190 --> 00:26:26.890
one you have is just a matte black. The reason

00:26:26.890 --> 00:26:30.430
we did that is I wanted to see if the LEDs eventually

00:26:30.430 --> 00:26:36.789
melted the lens housing under duress. I didn't

00:26:36.789 --> 00:26:38.769
notice any thermal effects at all. I mean, we

00:26:38.769 --> 00:26:42.009
ran it quite a bit last night. I mean, for an

00:26:42.009 --> 00:26:45.720
extended period of time, and I never... There

00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.220
are companies out there where they have a reputation

00:26:48.220 --> 00:26:51.519
for having very hot lights, and I won't mention

00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:55.559
who. But I thought yours, in the configuration

00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.539
you sent us, which I understand is not production,

00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:01.000
I thought it actually ran rather cool. Yeah,

00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:05.799
and I think a lot of it will come down to the

00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:09.730
proper heat dissipation is... critical especially

00:27:09.730 --> 00:27:12.869
when you start getting like these name brand

00:27:12.869 --> 00:27:16.450
lights they're they're adding more and more power

00:27:16.450 --> 00:27:19.930
it's almost like if you go to a top fuel or a

00:27:19.930 --> 00:27:22.890
funny car race they keep getting faster and faster

00:27:22.890 --> 00:27:25.809
but more and more dangerous right they blow up

00:27:25.809 --> 00:27:28.549
faster right you know they used to have 8 000

00:27:28.549 --> 00:27:31.950
horsepower now they have 12 000 horsepower so

00:27:31.950 --> 00:27:35.710
you used to have 500 lumens now you have a thousand

00:27:35.710 --> 00:27:39.119
so i think it all comes down It's all marketing.

00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:42.420
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What else do you have? I mean,

00:27:42.420 --> 00:27:48.500
it's such a restrictive product. But I think

00:27:48.500 --> 00:27:50.819
a lot of it's going to come down to the type

00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:54.599
of LED. There are actually LEDs with little domes

00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:58.819
on them. Yes. Okay. All right. So we're thinking

00:27:58.819 --> 00:28:03.380
of doing domed LEDs behind the refractor domes.

00:28:04.910 --> 00:28:07.609
you can turn the battery down a little bit and

00:28:07.609 --> 00:28:11.930
get the same brightness, right? So I think those

00:28:11.930 --> 00:28:15.309
are the ways to work around it. But yeah, having

00:28:15.309 --> 00:28:21.450
the top flat and long relative to the LED size,

00:28:21.630 --> 00:28:25.230
so what slides under the gun to the polyurethane

00:28:25.230 --> 00:28:29.170
portion of the gun where the Picatinny rail is,

00:28:29.349 --> 00:28:32.630
a lot of the flashlights aren't flat. they're

00:28:32.630 --> 00:28:36.509
undulating so you'll have a round say lens cap

00:28:36.509 --> 00:28:39.130
in the front right but then then it goes to an

00:28:39.130 --> 00:28:44.069
oval body to hold two cr123 batteries so you

00:28:44.069 --> 00:28:47.690
don't have that uniform surface well mine has

00:28:47.690 --> 00:28:53.150
a uniform surface from front to back on the ceiling

00:28:53.150 --> 00:28:57.150
of it so when you see the production version

00:28:57.150 --> 00:29:00.500
it's going to be even It might even feel like

00:29:00.500 --> 00:29:02.920
it's underperforming because the whole thing

00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.980
will be metal, but the heat sink is going to

00:29:05.980 --> 00:29:08.680
touch the top and both sides, so it'll send all

00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:12.039
of the heat back. And by the time you're touching

00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:15.960
that toggle, it would only be maybe lukewarm.

00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.880
So is it going to be aluminum or zinc? Are you

00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.160
going to do the... I mean, because aluminum dissipates

00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:24.940
heat a little bit better than zinc does or is

00:29:24.940 --> 00:29:28.039
less expensive than titanium or something. Yeah.

00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:32.700
The heat sink, imagine you have your round battery

00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:37.599
and our heat sink is U -shaped. So the battery

00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.559
fits into the heat sink. On the outside of the

00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.900
heat sink, the LEDs are wrapped around it. And

00:29:44.900 --> 00:29:48.980
so it not only pulls any heat collection away

00:29:48.980 --> 00:29:54.980
from the LEDs, those aluminum walls are touching

00:29:54.980 --> 00:30:00.680
the ceiling. the battery stays protected and

00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.039
you can charge it more often. I don't want to

00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:08.200
split hairs, but the higher and higher of a temperature

00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:11.779
you put the battery through, the less and less

00:30:11.779 --> 00:30:17.259
it will recharge to 100%. You're going to have

00:30:17.259 --> 00:30:21.190
that constant degradation downward. Yeah. Lithium

00:30:21.190 --> 00:30:23.049
-ion batteries only have a certain number of

00:30:23.049 --> 00:30:25.049
cycle times. Yeah, we get that before we have

00:30:25.049 --> 00:30:29.609
to do it. I'm sitting here slightly incredulous

00:30:29.609 --> 00:30:34.509
because we've talked before, Roy, and your background

00:30:34.509 --> 00:30:37.529
is not engineering. No. This is about the most

00:30:37.529 --> 00:30:42.029
engineering show I've had yet. I mean, in terms

00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:45.069
of the detail and so on. I mean, people talk

00:30:45.069 --> 00:30:48.710
roundly about features, but, I mean, you really

00:30:48.710 --> 00:30:52.160
understand your product. And all the background

00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.400
you ever gave me didn't give me any indication

00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.819
that you'd be able to have that much of a detailed

00:30:57.819 --> 00:31:01.779
knowledge of what you're doing. You know, I think

00:31:01.779 --> 00:31:06.119
in all. i'll try to summarize it maybe for another

00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:10.039
podcast we can go into the full reason but um

00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.420
you know i wanted to be in law enforcement but

00:31:13.420 --> 00:31:16.500
i didn't want to go to a local academy so i figured

00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:20.119
i'd get a job and save up and pay for the academy

00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.359
uh the post academy in sacramento so i could

00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:28.460
go anywhere i wanted well i got a job and it

00:31:28.460 --> 00:31:31.890
was it was this it was the worst job ever But

00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:34.990
it was a bill collection agency. And they said

00:31:34.990 --> 00:31:37.549
in the newspaper you could make up to $5 ,000

00:31:37.549 --> 00:31:40.369
a month, right? So I figure, okay, you know what?

00:31:40.470 --> 00:31:42.769
I'll work here a couple months. Boom, back to

00:31:42.769 --> 00:31:48.150
the academy, done. Not so much. So these American

00:31:48.150 --> 00:31:53.170
Express bills would range from $5 ,000 to $500

00:31:53.170 --> 00:32:00.130
,000. Collection effort required mortgage lending.

00:32:00.430 --> 00:32:03.470
So some of these corporate and platinum and black

00:32:03.470 --> 00:32:06.970
card holders would refinance their house to pay

00:32:06.970 --> 00:32:12.049
that bill off. Most commonly with a builder who

00:32:12.049 --> 00:32:18.049
ran short on his funding and put 10 houses roof

00:32:18.049 --> 00:32:22.609
bids on the Amex card. Well, you only have 30

00:32:22.609 --> 00:32:27.569
days with those cards and then it's due. So I

00:32:27.569 --> 00:32:30.130
just referred everyone I could to Transamerica

00:32:30.130 --> 00:32:33.230
Financial because I'm not a confrontational person.

00:32:33.390 --> 00:32:36.670
And the loan officer there said, hey, I'm on

00:32:36.670 --> 00:32:39.609
salary and you're getting to know how these home

00:32:39.609 --> 00:32:43.990
loans work. And I highly recommend you start

00:32:43.990 --> 00:32:47.950
a small mortgage brokerage because you will have

00:32:47.950 --> 00:32:51.690
the cheapest referral source on earth that is

00:32:51.690 --> 00:32:55.900
of the highest revenue. per transaction compared

00:32:55.900 --> 00:32:59.579
to, say, you know, a small little second mortgage

00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:03.500
or rate and term refinance where the fees are

00:33:03.500 --> 00:33:06.759
very minimal. So I started Sterling Mortgage

00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.039
Services and American Express found out directly

00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:14.980
and they loved it. And so that was in 98. Well,

00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:17.920
in 99, I'm traveling the world to their call

00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.670
centers telling the bill collectors how you know,

00:33:22.670 --> 00:33:25.750
to properly refer somebody for a home loan to

00:33:25.750 --> 00:33:30.150
pay off Amex. Okay. So way more money than I

00:33:30.150 --> 00:33:33.890
ever should have made. And you're just, it's

00:33:33.890 --> 00:33:37.309
very out of touch when you stumble into something

00:33:37.309 --> 00:33:42.750
like that. But I got really sick and it was late

00:33:42.750 --> 00:33:48.190
stage brain and spine cancer. And it happened

00:33:48.190 --> 00:33:51.690
very, very fast. You know, my mom worked at UC

00:33:51.690 --> 00:33:57.009
Davis as a peds oncology charge nurse. And, you

00:33:57.009 --> 00:34:01.869
know, so as I go through that process with UC

00:34:01.869 --> 00:34:05.230
Davis and Sutter Health Systems, I'd always wanted

00:34:05.230 --> 00:34:08.429
to give back to them. And unfortunately, the

00:34:08.429 --> 00:34:11.489
cancer came back and Stanford said I was to be

00:34:11.489 --> 00:34:15.139
put on hospice. But, you know, I have a... an

00:34:15.139 --> 00:34:19.219
oncologist that was just so steadfast and thick

00:34:19.219 --> 00:34:23.059
headed um he said no no i'm gonna get blue shield

00:34:23.059 --> 00:34:25.800
to pay for a bone marrow transplant and it worked

00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:32.440
you know praise god and um yeah so you know and

00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.159
then the market crashes but i'd always wanted

00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.539
to give back so i started roy's umbrella and

00:34:38.539 --> 00:34:42.880
that was a a blue collar angie's list if you

00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:47.579
will for The two hospitals and all law enforcement

00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:52.179
in the greater Northern California area. So a

00:34:52.179 --> 00:34:56.099
lot of the, you know, Sacramento, San Francisco,

00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:00.059
you know, Placer County, El Dorado County guys,

00:35:00.219 --> 00:35:03.440
they would call us for a purchase or refi, whatever.

00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:10.420
And it was just remarkable how stressed they

00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:14.750
were. I'll never forget that sensation of what's

00:35:14.750 --> 00:35:17.650
going through their mind on a daily basis, you

00:35:17.650 --> 00:35:21.530
know, and how these departments, how these hospitals

00:35:21.530 --> 00:35:25.530
didn't have a facilitator for the most semantical

00:35:25.530 --> 00:35:29.650
things. Life insurance, credit repair, mortgage,

00:35:30.030 --> 00:35:33.869
whatever, car insurance, you know, you'll just.

00:35:34.730 --> 00:35:38.150
You'll become so overwhelmed with your job. Military,

00:35:38.570 --> 00:35:42.730
my goodness, the PTSD after that is identical

00:35:42.730 --> 00:35:46.070
to what I went through, you know, in certain

00:35:46.070 --> 00:35:50.150
sorts. And so Roy's Umbrella was a very popular

00:35:50.150 --> 00:35:53.070
mortgage company. You know, we worked with Rush

00:35:53.070 --> 00:35:57.590
Limbaugh, you know, bless his heart. And so we

00:35:57.590 --> 00:36:01.250
just, we became trusted. And so that was my way

00:36:01.250 --> 00:36:06.099
of giving back. And so. I paid the salary for

00:36:06.099 --> 00:36:09.059
an art therapist in peds oncology where my mom

00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:13.619
worked. And to think that after this foot pursuit

00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:20.500
where someone was killed, nobody wins. The police

00:36:20.500 --> 00:36:24.159
department or sheriff's department, what could

00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.039
we have done different? The family of the victim,

00:36:27.460 --> 00:36:31.960
could we have raised our child better? There's

00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.739
so many. abstract topics that are never covered

00:36:36.739 --> 00:36:41.039
in the media, never covered by anyone who is

00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.360
afraid of sharing an opinion back then. That's

00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:48.760
exactly why I started with the flashlight because

00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.000
somebody did it for me. My oncologist helped

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:57.119
me, right? And so it felt with the gear that

00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.280
these guys had in some circumstances, it felt

00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.719
that they were like just a standard customer

00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:07.039
walking into a store to buy a gun light at full

00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.679
retail. Well, they are. I mean, I mean, okay.

00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.159
They get a law enforcement discount or a military

00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.340
discount, but I mean, the technology hasn't moved

00:37:15.340 --> 00:37:19.159
and all you can advertise is lumens and perhaps

00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.480
battery life or maybe size or perhaps color temperature.

00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.599
And that's really esoteric because most people

00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:28.219
don't even understand color temperature. Then.

00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:31.219
you know that's that what else is there i mean

00:37:31.219 --> 00:37:32.980
you're the only one i've seen in the space has

00:37:32.980 --> 00:37:35.719
actually innovated anything right in quite a

00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.780
while ever i mean well except for except for

00:37:38.780 --> 00:37:41.480
weapon mounted lights and okay magnetic charging

00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:43.480
is pretty cool too i think magnetic charging

00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.119
is very cool that's pretty neat but but other

00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:49.219
than and and by the way yours does not have a

00:37:49.219 --> 00:37:51.260
magnetic charger and i don't disparage it for

00:37:51.260 --> 00:37:53.940
that because i'm sure that that takes up space

00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:56.449
in the cavity to put the coil and everything

00:37:56.449 --> 00:37:59.289
else in there. So that may not be very efficient.

00:37:59.389 --> 00:38:03.710
What other technical challenges? I mean, you've

00:38:03.710 --> 00:38:05.469
listed a bunch of them, but are there any just

00:38:05.469 --> 00:38:08.550
maybe highlight ones that make a good story that

00:38:08.550 --> 00:38:11.610
you'd like to say that you ran into? Again, not

00:38:11.610 --> 00:38:14.090
having a background in lighting or engineering?

00:38:14.690 --> 00:38:20.630
Well, again, I have to thank and appreciate so

00:38:20.630 --> 00:38:24.980
many people in procurement. The folks in Texas

00:38:24.980 --> 00:38:29.860
at Cyfair, Cypress Fairbanks, they've been wonderful.

00:38:30.139 --> 00:38:33.500
But so have multiple agencies, you know, and

00:38:33.500 --> 00:38:36.960
I think it came down to, I'm not picking on these

00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.599
companies, but this was their feedback, not necessarily

00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:46.800
mine. But the, okay, the Streamlight has a toggle

00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:53.380
that is more intuitive for the human touch. The

00:38:53.380 --> 00:38:57.380
Surefire, however, you can push it forward. You

00:38:57.380 --> 00:39:01.460
can momentarily blink the light. And I think

00:39:01.460 --> 00:39:07.239
that is very important. And the reason is because

00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:13.440
San Luis Obispo SWAT team said, if you're pushing,

00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.179
you're going to keep your gun on target within...

00:39:17.789 --> 00:39:20.909
a third or half of an inch more than if you're

00:39:20.909 --> 00:39:24.550
turning up or down and you're putting ancillary

00:39:24.550 --> 00:39:27.530
pressure on what you're trying to aim at. That

00:39:27.530 --> 00:39:29.929
literally split a hair down the middle, but it

00:39:29.929 --> 00:39:33.090
made perfect sense. So what if we did both, right?

00:39:33.190 --> 00:39:37.250
What if we had a light that pushed and toggled?

00:39:37.409 --> 00:39:43.360
And so the Surefire at least you know, on my

00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.280
research online and some of the locations where

00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.219
it's really cold, it's rounded. So when you're

00:39:51.219 --> 00:39:56.440
trying to activate it, it takes a lot more poundage

00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:01.300
of pressure relating to turning it off, on, toggling

00:40:01.300 --> 00:40:05.380
it up, down, forward. The little buttons, if

00:40:05.380 --> 00:40:08.860
you will, they'll pop off. So if it gets really

00:40:08.860 --> 00:40:11.920
hot, like Arizona, or if it gets really cold,

00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.280
like if you're in the Dakotas or New York, upstate,

00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:20.880
those little covers on the little metal toggle,

00:40:20.980 --> 00:40:23.980
they'll pop off or they'll get stuck. So the

00:40:23.980 --> 00:40:28.559
task was to create one that does both, and that

00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:33.820
is more user -friendly. And so it was interesting

00:40:33.820 --> 00:40:38.369
because... It's almost like you want to design

00:40:38.369 --> 00:40:43.730
it for somebody with smaller hands, just because

00:40:43.730 --> 00:40:47.130
it's a little easier if your thumb is long enough

00:40:47.130 --> 00:40:51.030
to press the surefire. And I know I'm getting

00:40:51.030 --> 00:40:53.449
into the minutiae with this a little bit, but

00:40:53.449 --> 00:40:57.150
if you compare both of them, and a lot of lights

00:40:57.150 --> 00:41:00.809
just have a toggle on it, like a teeter -totter.

00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.519
People with smaller hands appreciate that more

00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.340
so they're not reaching around their gun with

00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:11.000
their index finger or reaching their thumb forward

00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:17.039
with their supportive hand. So it was those types

00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:22.760
of comments and feedback that have us. I can't

00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.239
wait for you guys to see the production unit

00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.840
because a lot of these are tension loaded or.

00:41:30.539 --> 00:41:34.760
vertical spring, but this is a leaf spring. There's

00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:38.840
only one coil. And so it's going to be resting

00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:43.159
against that spring, a leaf spring. So when you

00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:47.019
push on it, it'll throw 180 degrees. If you let

00:41:47.019 --> 00:41:51.019
go and you toggle, it'll go 180 or 35 degrees.

00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.440
That we're really proud of. That was very difficult

00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:59.539
to do. Because you're doing, there's a couple

00:41:59.539 --> 00:42:03.500
inner componentry that you have to take into

00:42:03.500 --> 00:42:07.820
consideration. So if it's one button doing one

00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:11.179
thing, that's fine. But you have to press all

00:42:11.179 --> 00:42:16.340
four buttons to throw 180 on the momentary. But

00:42:16.340 --> 00:42:19.000
then you have to have... two buttons when you're

00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.920
toggling if you want it 35 or 180 right so you

00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.420
have to go diagonal and touch two 180s or you

00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:29.559
have to go diagonal the other way and touch two

00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:34.500
35s right those buttons for the 180 degree and

00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:40.059
the 35 degree are critical to that functionality

00:42:40.059 --> 00:42:45.480
and sequence So that we're most proud of because

00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:47.719
the rest of it you can kind of work through,

00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:51.199
right? Like if you want to lose the USB -C charging

00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.440
port, fine. Put a magnetic, you know, wireless

00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.099
charger on it. You know, yes, it's a little more

00:42:58.099 --> 00:42:59.960
cumbersome, I guess, and they don't charge as

00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:04.320
fast these days. But the toggle and the triple

00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:08.440
dome front lens, we're really proud of that.

00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:13.199
You know, I like the magnetic chargers. I had

00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:18.420
a Microsoft laptop that had a magnetic charger,

00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.780
but it was not one where it required a coil,

00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.280
like my iPhone here requires a coil to receive

00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.429
the energy. It was just a magnet. to connect

00:43:27.429 --> 00:43:29.090
it up, and they had little gold connectors and

00:43:29.090 --> 00:43:31.769
would connect it up. And I like that aspect of

00:43:31.769 --> 00:43:34.309
it. I could almost see something like that because

00:43:34.309 --> 00:43:36.909
it takes no space to do that other than you're

00:43:36.909 --> 00:43:39.469
going to have one of those powerful little magnets

00:43:39.469 --> 00:43:42.289
called neobladium, or I'm probably mispronouncing

00:43:42.289 --> 00:43:45.789
that. Yeah, you are, but that's okay. Yeah. magnets

00:43:45.789 --> 00:43:47.829
on it and and then i'm you know i'm thinking

00:43:47.829 --> 00:43:50.309
about okay so you want this whole form factor

00:43:50.309 --> 00:43:53.150
to be able to fit into existing holsters so you

00:43:53.150 --> 00:43:54.690
probably want to know what are the most common

00:43:54.690 --> 00:43:58.110
existing holsters that take these you know streamlights

00:43:58.110 --> 00:44:00.329
or whatever they are so that people don't have

00:44:00.329 --> 00:44:03.250
to buy a new holster that's a good point that

00:44:03.250 --> 00:44:08.010
that's a good point ken because although so for

00:44:08.010 --> 00:44:12.530
the glock 17 it it's proprietary so that that

00:44:12.530 --> 00:44:15.769
railing system is ever so slightly different

00:44:15.769 --> 00:44:20.670
than some of the other guns. And so I think the

00:44:20.670 --> 00:44:25.469
solution to that is, I call them K -rails, you

00:44:25.469 --> 00:44:27.730
know, the railing system that, you know, slides

00:44:27.730 --> 00:44:30.889
into place on the bottom of the gun, Picatinny

00:44:30.889 --> 00:44:34.769
rails, if you will. But we can simply modify

00:44:34.769 --> 00:44:38.800
the sharpness of the 45 degree angle. If you

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.559
look at an uppercase K rather than the lowercase

00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:46.019
K, right? So some guns will accommodate different

00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:50.039
measurements. Now we're getting into the tenths

00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.199
and hundredths of millimeters. Yeah. But still,

00:44:53.460 --> 00:44:55.760
it makes a big difference. So, for example, the

00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.980
Glock compared to the Sig Sauer. The Sig Sauer

00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:01.900
cross latch bar, I'll call it a shark tooth bar,

00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:08.719
that is twice as wide as the Glock 17. If you

00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:12.500
put mine on the Sig Sauer, it could potentially

00:45:12.500 --> 00:45:17.340
rock forward and backward. Right. About 1 .5

00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:20.219
millimeters. Well, if it's on a P320, there's

00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:26.880
enough issues with tolerances, apparently. Anyway,

00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:29.699
yes. Legal disclaimer, I don't really know this

00:45:29.699 --> 00:45:31.340
for a fact. I'm only listening to other people,

00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:34.460
but apparently there's a lot of tolerance issues

00:45:34.460 --> 00:45:38.039
there anyway. Yeah. But, no, I understand. That's

00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:41.039
why some of the other, I mean, Craig and I both

00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.860
have various lights that we purchased over the

00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:46.360
years. And, yeah, they have a bunch of little

00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:48.159
components that come with it. If it's fitting

00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:49.800
on a Glock, well, then you install this little

00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:51.900
part here. If it's not on that, you put this

00:45:51.900 --> 00:45:54.079
little part in it. And it's just that crossbar,

00:45:54.260 --> 00:45:57.079
exactly, that you're talking about. But thank

00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.579
you for, I hope you're keeping it, the ability

00:46:00.579 --> 00:46:04.000
to remove and replace the light without tools.

00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.900
You're keeping that, right? oh oh yeah yeah so

00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:08.900
because i hate that i hate it when i have to

00:46:08.900 --> 00:46:12.139
use a screwdriver to i mean it's so unnecessary

00:46:12.139 --> 00:46:17.699
to me yeah i also think it's cumbersome and so

00:46:17.699 --> 00:46:20.900
if it were simplified right so if you look straight

00:46:20.900 --> 00:46:24.760
down at mine it's got three bolts on either rail

00:46:25.420 --> 00:46:28.360
You're not taking springs out. You're not popping

00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:32.559
things loose. You're literally using a 1 .5 millimeter

00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.719
hex drive, and you're taking those rails off

00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.960
and putting different rails on. But you do that

00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.179
once. One time. And then the rest of it is the

00:46:41.179 --> 00:46:43.639
little spring -loaded clip on either side that

00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:45.920
you pull down to release it from the gun. That's

00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.480
what I was talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:51.320
Because that's so much better than having to

00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:54.869
use a screwdriver to take. The entire assembly

00:46:54.869 --> 00:46:58.170
off the rail. Yeah. Oh, no. OK, seriously, this

00:46:58.170 --> 00:47:03.230
actually happened. So one of one of the one of

00:47:03.230 --> 00:47:06.130
the folks, we were at a shooting range and he

00:47:06.130 --> 00:47:11.849
twisted. He was tightening the gunlight and it

00:47:11.849 --> 00:47:14.909
broke the head off and it was stuck on his gun.

00:47:15.409 --> 00:47:20.590
And so. Oops. But to see that that is so rare.

00:47:21.179 --> 00:47:23.079
Makes it hard to send in for a warranty then,

00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.920
doesn't it? Oh, my goodness. But it's just, I

00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:30.239
mean, in the most critical of moments, you know,

00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:33.420
as you're about to join a team and you want to

00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:35.940
swap out a battery, you can't take it off. And

00:47:35.940 --> 00:47:38.940
then you twist it the wrong way by mistake. Just

00:47:38.940 --> 00:47:42.460
whatever. Who knows? But I think we keep it real

00:47:42.460 --> 00:47:46.760
basic. So with your thumb and your index finger,

00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:51.380
you pull down, slide the thing off. Right. no

00:47:51.380 --> 00:47:54.599
twisting and spring loaded to the left or right

00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.219
where it kind of clips on and then you tighten

00:47:57.219 --> 00:48:02.099
it. Nobody was a fan of that. They wanted to

00:48:02.099 --> 00:48:06.079
be simple, basic, intuitive. I think the most

00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:08.440
repetitive phrase I heard is your fine motor

00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:12.460
skills go out the window when you're in a tactical

00:48:12.460 --> 00:48:15.860
setting. I mean, none of these people are wearing...

00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.159
earplugs, earmuffs. You're not at a shooting

00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:23.699
range. Those gunshots are 10 times as loud. They're

00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:26.460
pointing at you. The last thing you want to worry

00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:30.719
about is manipulating a light, you know? So I

00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.019
agree with that, Craig, for sure. Talking about,

00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:38.880
you know, since your design is so unique, you

00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:43.539
have a patent on this already, right? And how

00:48:43.539 --> 00:48:47.380
do you plan to, I mean, The wolves will be at

00:48:47.380 --> 00:48:49.440
the door on this because the idea is so good.

00:48:49.579 --> 00:48:54.639
And I guess my concern is that other people are

00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:56.840
going to make a little tweak to what you're doing

00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:01.659
and then market it as an innovation that they

00:49:01.659 --> 00:49:07.159
didn't come up with. Well, and yes, I think with

00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.000
100 patents, that's still going to happen. But

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:16.260
I do think that within any industry, You have,

00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:23.179
I'll call them DUI attorneys or car crash attorneys,

00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.559
right? They will do whatever they can to make

00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:30.440
money. Patent attorneys can do the same. And

00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:33.400
they will file a design patent that they know,

00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:37.239
you know, good and well, you could easily circumvent

00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.800
that. And so you need to have utility patents,

00:49:41.139 --> 00:49:45.380
right? So if you're... If you have any chance

00:49:45.380 --> 00:49:48.880
at fighting someone off, especially a larger

00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:52.980
company, you have to have multiple utility patents.

00:49:53.139 --> 00:49:56.679
And in this case, we do. Good for you. Oh, man,

00:49:56.860 --> 00:50:01.119
that was the hardest part. Because on a utility

00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:05.480
patent, it's 19 pages long and there's not one

00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:11.460
image. So you have to describe this with calculus

00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:19.440
theorems. And you have to try to document without

00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:25.039
imagery how a light from multiple sources can

00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:28.619
be thrown in plurality. So a beam in plurality

00:50:28.619 --> 00:50:32.280
is what we were granted. And that's incredibly

00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.519
hard to do because the LEDs will either overheat

00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:40.440
or they will... be so weak it's almost like the

00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:42.500
little headbands you can put when you work on

00:50:42.500 --> 00:50:45.780
your car yeah you're not controlling any of that

00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:49.659
light right that those are just brighter than

00:50:49.659 --> 00:50:53.079
the little red battery warning indicators so

00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.820
the light frays up and down you might see 10

00:50:55.820 --> 00:50:59.980
feet that's about it um so to house that to throw

00:50:59.980 --> 00:51:04.250
a rectangular beam of sorts that patent That

00:51:04.250 --> 00:51:07.969
was a turning point, incredibly expensive. But

00:51:07.969 --> 00:51:12.929
once we realized, bless my stepfather's heart,

00:51:13.010 --> 00:51:15.929
he was a calculus professor, but he helped write

00:51:15.929 --> 00:51:18.710
a lot of it, you know, because it is a study

00:51:18.710 --> 00:51:24.230
of motion and light and refraction and other

00:51:24.230 --> 00:51:27.769
aspects that it, you know, compared to the Nike

00:51:27.769 --> 00:51:32.860
swoosh, right? That's a very standalone. non

00:51:32.860 --> 00:51:37.760
-duplicative scenario that they just were fortunate

00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:42.679
with. But the typical design patents are worthless.

00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:45.940
They really are. You can get around them so quickly.

00:51:46.179 --> 00:51:52.480
But I do not see, and actually, one of my minority

00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:56.519
business partners, so he's a Hall of Fame UFC

00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.800
fighter, and he's been around a lot of product.

00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.039
introduced introductions, endorsed a lot of products.

00:52:05.500 --> 00:52:08.219
And so the first thing him and I talked about

00:52:08.219 --> 00:52:11.440
was, Roy, I want to hire a competing patent attorney

00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:16.079
to see if he can puncture this. And if he can't,

00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:20.719
I'm in. And so we did. And that was very, very

00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:24.940
helpful because you do get tunnel vision on things

00:52:24.940 --> 00:52:27.679
that... When you're convinced and you believe

00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:29.980
in the person that helped you, you're thinking

00:52:29.980 --> 00:52:33.880
in a harmless way, how could this go wrong? I

00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:37.900
mean, the patent office awarded this, right?

00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:45.559
But you can still have fringe rights to certain

00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:49.739
things like the V8 engine, if you will, or tires,

00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:55.440
if you will. It's very, very hard to... to keep

00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:58.320
the patents effective unless they're utility

00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.539
patents. So tell us about, so when, when you

00:53:01.539 --> 00:53:05.539
get the light out there in the real world, what

00:53:05.539 --> 00:53:07.639
kind of warranty you're going to offer and how

00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:11.280
is the light going to be sold? Well, we're going

00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:16.900
to do a 12 month warranty. But I, it's going

00:53:16.900 --> 00:53:19.460
to have to match whatever they have. So the law

00:53:19.460 --> 00:53:22.119
enforcement, the agencies, it's going to, the

00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:27.300
first, Bulk order would accommodate those agencies.

00:53:28.219 --> 00:53:33.420
There's 19 of them. And so I'll get their feedback

00:53:33.420 --> 00:53:37.400
as far as the warranty, but I'm wide open to

00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.699
that. Now, to the retail market, that's different.

00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:43.380
People are going to demand, you know, three,

00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:46.760
five, 10 -year, sometimes lifetime warranties

00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:48.420
on things. Well, not for the battery, they're

00:53:48.420 --> 00:53:51.599
not. I mean, that's not realistic, is it? No.

00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:56.989
Oh, for the battery, no. No, and so I think there's

00:53:56.989 --> 00:53:59.829
going to have to be some give and take on that

00:53:59.829 --> 00:54:02.510
with the consumer version. But, you know, as

00:54:02.510 --> 00:54:07.369
far as selling it, there are some large wholesale

00:54:07.369 --> 00:54:11.469
distributors that wanted to be involved. So I

00:54:11.469 --> 00:54:17.289
think, though, Amazon, for annoying as it can

00:54:17.289 --> 00:54:22.309
be, is a validation source. I agree. You know,

00:54:22.349 --> 00:54:24.630
people will go to a website to buy something,

00:54:24.730 --> 00:54:27.170
but the first thing they do, sometimes opening

00:54:27.170 --> 00:54:30.309
up two browsers, they're going to look at the

00:54:30.309 --> 00:54:34.550
Amazon listing and see the ratings for an arm's

00:54:34.550 --> 00:54:38.489
length opinion of the product you're seeking.

00:54:38.829 --> 00:54:41.170
Well, and to know the street price because the

00:54:41.170 --> 00:54:44.789
MSRP and the street price could, you know, there's

00:54:44.789 --> 00:54:47.389
a product that I want to test that I've been

00:54:47.389 --> 00:54:48.889
having trouble getting a hold of the company.

00:54:49.469 --> 00:54:51.670
and their MSRP and their street price differ

00:54:51.670 --> 00:54:56.750
by more than 50%. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's an

00:54:56.750 --> 00:55:01.349
extreme example. Yeah. I mean, golly, these poor

00:55:01.349 --> 00:55:05.469
guys. But there's a flashlight that retails at

00:55:05.469 --> 00:55:13.710
$375. And it's got military contracts. It's on

00:55:13.710 --> 00:55:19.559
90 % for now. you know, law enforcement and military,

00:55:19.739 --> 00:55:22.679
but that, you know, you might see them get as

00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.880
low as 300, maybe 325. And, and I'm thinking,

00:55:27.940 --> 00:55:32.639
well, if we come in less than that, if we come

00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:36.579
in less than the top selling tactical light in

00:55:36.579 --> 00:55:39.869
the world, and it's more effective. you don't

00:55:39.869 --> 00:55:42.869
necessarily need a really low or a really high

00:55:42.869 --> 00:55:45.309
price to sell it. You just need what's reasonable,

00:55:45.510 --> 00:55:48.610
right? So if the wholesale distributor says,

00:55:48.949 --> 00:55:53.489
well, they're going to retail at $325, and our

00:55:53.489 --> 00:55:57.289
cost, we're not giving you more than $225 because

00:55:57.289 --> 00:56:01.909
we have to make a profit, that's about a 30 %

00:56:01.909 --> 00:56:06.489
margin. I don't know that we go more than 25%,

00:56:06.489 --> 00:56:09.409
though, because then you start to delineate between

00:56:09.409 --> 00:56:12.230
who's more important than the other. You know,

00:56:12.250 --> 00:56:15.369
what if somebody doesn't have access to the wholesale

00:56:15.369 --> 00:56:22.510
outlets that you might? And so when I saw that

00:56:22.510 --> 00:56:25.289
and a couple of the agencies said they buy their

00:56:25.289 --> 00:56:29.269
lights retail, that's unacceptable. I agree.

00:56:30.219 --> 00:56:32.940
Well, if you have that big of an agency and that

00:56:32.940 --> 00:56:35.420
big of a budget behind you, but remember what

00:56:35.420 --> 00:56:38.139
show you're on, Roy. This is the frugal emphasizing

00:56:38.139 --> 00:56:41.719
firearms podcast. And I mean, we're all about

00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:45.059
value. Now, I think that your product, and if

00:56:45.059 --> 00:56:47.320
you don't want to tell me, that's fine. I don't

00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:49.699
need to know what you anticipate the MSRP to

00:56:49.699 --> 00:56:52.199
be. But your product is differentiated by technology

00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:55.360
and its utility is quite a bit different. So

00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:57.519
I'm going to be willing to spend more to get

00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.170
your product than. you know, some other light

00:57:01.170 --> 00:57:06.769
that when you look down range at the $375 light

00:57:06.769 --> 00:57:10.309
or the $37 light that I picked up off Amazon

00:57:10.309 --> 00:57:14.190
and they throw the same beam. Yeah. And I'm not

00:57:14.190 --> 00:57:16.610
a tier one guy and I'm not going to be using

00:57:16.610 --> 00:57:18.909
it to be crawling around in the mud and yeah,

00:57:18.929 --> 00:57:22.510
using the hammer and a nail. Right. That's not

00:57:22.510 --> 00:57:25.630
our typical listener. No. You know, I want to

00:57:25.630 --> 00:57:28.730
light this reliable that. does what I need it

00:57:28.730 --> 00:57:33.710
to do and doesn't break the bank. And yours does

00:57:33.710 --> 00:57:35.849
something that other lights don't do, but I'm

00:57:35.849 --> 00:57:41.309
not spending 10 X to get a name brand because,

00:57:41.369 --> 00:57:45.469
you know, some, some military units that have

00:57:45.469 --> 00:57:48.989
ostensive unlimited budget. I worked for the

00:57:48.989 --> 00:57:50.530
federal government. I understand how this works.

00:57:50.570 --> 00:57:53.070
You have end of the money sweep up and you have

00:57:53.070 --> 00:57:56.190
to get rid of that money. I know how this works.

00:57:56.329 --> 00:57:59.789
Yeah. Yeah. So, well, but that's interesting.

00:57:59.929 --> 00:58:02.610
You say that because as it ties into the patents,

00:58:02.929 --> 00:58:07.269
you can get that knockoff. I mean, probably for

00:58:07.269 --> 00:58:12.090
20 bucks now instead of the 375 and it's the

00:58:12.090 --> 00:58:17.369
same light and, and they look identical and there

00:58:17.369 --> 00:58:22.840
are us based. websites or you know the majority

00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:27.159
of their population are u .s consumers that allow

00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:31.360
that right so we have the patent on the beam

00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:33.960
and plurality but more importantly the heat sink

00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:38.179
right so how how would you do that how would

00:58:38.179 --> 00:58:42.480
you and again with amazon the one thing that

00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:46.400
they absolutely deliver on is if you're patented

00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:50.559
and trademarked and you notice anyone at any

00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:54.039
time copying or duplicating they'll pull that

00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:58.440
listing the next day and so when you get into

00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:02.619
the typical gun light they all sort of look the

00:59:02.619 --> 00:59:06.219
same you know because i don't know that you can

00:59:06.219 --> 00:59:10.199
have patents on anything other than slight differences

00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:14.119
on the toggle or spring -loaded you know crossbar

00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:18.039
i mean they they all have Exactly. A lot of similarities.

00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:21.360
What did you hear when I met you at, actually

00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:25.019
when I went to your booth at SHOT Show? What

00:59:25.019 --> 00:59:27.480
kind of feedback did you get from, you know,

00:59:27.500 --> 00:59:30.199
just the people attending there? Because you

00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:32.900
talked about testing this with largely military.

00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.300
And by the way, as a follow -up to that, sorry

00:59:36.300 --> 00:59:39.579
to cut you off, but what military units, if any,

00:59:39.699 --> 00:59:41.699
can you name that you're working with? But at

00:59:41.699 --> 00:59:45.700
the same time, or at least what services? What

00:59:45.700 --> 00:59:48.840
difference are you getting back from the civilian,

00:59:48.900 --> 00:59:51.559
let's say, alpha and beta testers as opposed

00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:55.820
to the LE and mil guys? Well, what I did, and

00:59:55.820 --> 00:59:58.559
it was a unique setting at the SHOT Show because

00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:02.980
I wasn't there to sell anything, so to speak.

01:00:03.739 --> 01:00:09.760
We wanted as much final feedback on top of what

01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:13.630
the agency specified. And so when people would

01:00:13.630 --> 01:00:17.710
walk by, we would just say, listen, we are not

01:00:17.710 --> 01:00:21.170
for sale. All we want is your opinion. And I

01:00:21.170 --> 01:00:25.530
think that was extremely effective because the

01:00:25.530 --> 01:00:27.929
people will let their guard down, right? They

01:00:27.929 --> 01:00:29.889
know that they're not going to get jammed up

01:00:29.889 --> 01:00:33.190
to buy something, but their opinion is valuable.

01:00:33.389 --> 01:00:39.110
And it certainly was because the impetus of that

01:00:39.110 --> 01:00:44.190
interaction was do you want to come up with your

01:00:44.190 --> 01:00:48.750
gun and throw a 35 degree beam or 180 and why?

01:00:49.010 --> 01:00:51.889
And so I would show them, you know, the normal

01:00:51.889 --> 01:00:57.050
gun light. And then on the blue gun, the Glock

01:00:57.050 --> 01:01:02.809
17, I put hours on there. And so resoundingly,

01:01:02.809 --> 01:01:05.670
and it was interesting though, because they would

01:01:05.670 --> 01:01:10.210
go 35 like they're used to, but then they, toggle

01:01:10.210 --> 01:01:14.909
to 180 and they said oh and you could just see

01:01:14.909 --> 01:01:20.989
it you could see that um how do you say transcension

01:01:20.989 --> 01:01:26.150
into oh my goodness this is easier right like

01:01:26.150 --> 01:01:29.469
if i can see the whole room that'll take me about

01:01:29.469 --> 01:01:32.469
three to five tenths of a second as opposed to

01:01:32.469 --> 01:01:36.550
spanning or painting the walls or cutting you

01:01:36.550 --> 01:01:40.579
know slicing the pizza And you said you timed

01:01:40.579 --> 01:01:42.659
that, right? You actually have empirical data

01:01:42.659 --> 01:01:45.559
that talks about how long it takes to, quote,

01:01:45.579 --> 01:01:48.139
sweep a room, at least with the light, as opposed

01:01:48.139 --> 01:01:52.440
to with your product. Oh, yeah. And I'm being

01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:56.880
very generous with the single light on -off,

01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:02.679
on -off, on -off. Because usually it's not equally

01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:06.739
incremental, right? So you don't go... Three

01:02:06.739 --> 01:02:08.760
tenths of a second, three tenths of a second,

01:02:08.860 --> 01:02:10.980
three tenths of a second. You'll probably go

01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:14.159
a blink to where you think nothing is there.

01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:18.539
But if you do discover something, then you won't

01:02:18.539 --> 01:02:21.000
even have cleared the other area. Right. So there

01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.280
could be somebody on either side of the room

01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:27.619
and you you would had to have made a decision

01:02:27.619 --> 01:02:30.780
to turn your light off because it's somebody

01:02:30.780 --> 01:02:34.329
hiding in a corner and. There's a person on the

01:02:34.329 --> 01:02:37.409
other side of the room that has a gun. And so

01:02:37.409 --> 01:02:40.650
that process can take up to three or four seconds

01:02:40.650 --> 01:02:43.989
per room, as opposed to coming in the room, lighting

01:02:43.989 --> 01:02:48.570
it up once. If it's not enough, fine, but you're

01:02:48.570 --> 01:02:51.909
not in a spot where you're moving your head,

01:02:52.289 --> 01:02:55.010
right? Your head always stays parallel with your

01:02:55.010 --> 01:02:58.409
gun. So if you move your head, whatever's to

01:02:58.409 --> 01:03:01.760
your right or left, is your vulnerability spot.

01:03:01.980 --> 01:03:04.780
So I would rather, and a lot of people said the

01:03:04.780 --> 01:03:08.780
same thing as they would enter a room, they would

01:03:08.780 --> 01:03:12.559
rather blink or momentarily activate the light

01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:16.440
at 180 degrees as many times until they feel

01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:20.179
comfortable. But on average, it's once, maybe

01:03:20.179 --> 01:03:22.920
twice, right? Like if you walk into a living

01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:25.900
room, turn it on, your eyes will go from your

01:03:25.900 --> 01:03:28.340
left to your right in about three tenths of a

01:03:28.340 --> 01:03:32.010
second. Like this. That's it. Well, nobody could

01:03:32.010 --> 01:03:37.650
see what you were doing. Well, exactly. You guys

01:03:37.650 --> 01:03:39.869
get the idea. See the example on our, on our,

01:03:39.889 --> 01:03:43.510
but, but yeah, if you, if you imagine standing

01:03:43.510 --> 01:03:46.869
at a doorway and just starting from your nine

01:03:46.869 --> 01:03:49.250
to your noon to your three with your eyes as

01:03:49.250 --> 01:03:54.340
fast as you can scroll them, um, that. That's

01:03:54.340 --> 01:03:57.280
a fraction of the time that it would take to

01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:02.099
move your entire head to your nine, to your noon,

01:04:02.219 --> 01:04:06.260
and to your three. Because that's how a lot of

01:04:06.260 --> 01:04:09.639
them are trained. You just said it. You said

01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:14.900
trained. A lot of users out there are not going

01:04:14.900 --> 01:04:18.039
to train in low light. Just they're not. They'll

01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:21.630
train at a square range during the day. or in

01:04:21.630 --> 01:04:24.929
indoor range, and they'll put a light on their

01:04:24.929 --> 01:04:27.710
gun and hope that when the rainy day comes that

01:04:27.710 --> 01:04:30.150
the light works and they will not train with

01:04:30.150 --> 01:04:33.949
it. Yeah. So that's why, you know, listeners,

01:04:34.090 --> 01:04:37.510
this is why you want this product. Oh, my goodness.

01:04:37.889 --> 01:04:42.469
It just, and play, you know, it's funny. John

01:04:42.469 --> 01:04:45.309
in Stockton, he always calls it cops and robbers,

01:04:45.369 --> 01:04:48.070
you know, because I have. i have been to that

01:04:48.070 --> 01:04:51.289
guy's house him and his wife so many times and

01:04:51.289 --> 01:04:55.030
we literally play cops and robbers like go hide

01:04:55.030 --> 01:05:00.969
i'm gonna find you um and i i can't understate

01:05:00.969 --> 01:05:05.469
that um or overstate it it just it has to happen

01:05:05.469 --> 01:05:08.570
right if you're gonna buy a gun might you need

01:05:08.570 --> 01:05:11.230
to goof off with it you know once or twice a

01:05:11.230 --> 01:05:14.440
month You have to clear every area. You need

01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:17.840
to drop to the ground, do a somersault, stand

01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:19.559
up. You know what I mean? You have to have fun

01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:21.579
with it. Okay, then tell us about your durability

01:05:21.579 --> 01:05:25.119
testing on the light then. I mean, the physical

01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.659
durability part. I mean, you could mention battery

01:05:27.659 --> 01:05:29.280
life, but I think you've already covered battery

01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:32.820
life because it's a variable according to how

01:05:32.820 --> 01:05:35.440
much energy you put into the unit at a given,

01:05:35.579 --> 01:05:38.860
you know, the flux, if you will, of the energy.

01:05:40.670 --> 01:05:43.230
Yeah, and you've talked about overheating, but

01:05:43.230 --> 01:05:46.449
what about physically? Is the thing as durable

01:05:46.449 --> 01:05:49.510
as your competition? It certainly is, probably

01:05:49.510 --> 01:05:52.550
more, because when you look at a flashlight,

01:05:52.809 --> 01:05:57.949
it's flat -faced. So if your gun is pointed to

01:05:57.949 --> 01:06:01.949
the ground and you're walking up to a situation

01:06:01.949 --> 01:06:04.130
where you haven't raised it yet and it slips

01:06:04.130 --> 01:06:07.539
out of your hand, God knows why you hear... a

01:06:07.539 --> 01:06:10.099
screeching car smashing into the back of your

01:06:10.099 --> 01:06:13.320
parole patrol car whatever the case you drop

01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:17.400
the gun it hits dead center because you know

01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:19.280
the the gun's the heaviest part so it's going

01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:21.579
to go straight down and it's going to hit the

01:06:21.579 --> 01:06:27.500
lens dead on there won't be any um deflection

01:06:27.500 --> 01:06:32.579
properties of that impact as opposed to instead

01:06:32.579 --> 01:06:35.840
of a flat surface you have a rounded frontal

01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:40.579
surface It's going to be extremely hard to have

01:06:40.579 --> 01:06:44.219
that gun drop, maintain that vertical descent.

01:06:44.820 --> 01:06:47.780
It's probably going to list a little bit left

01:06:47.780 --> 01:06:52.440
or right. But if it's rounded, it's more likely

01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:58.000
the grip of the gun would probably hit first.

01:06:58.260 --> 01:07:03.440
But as far as the durability, I mean, we dropped

01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:08.030
it off a roof. And it just bounced and worked.

01:07:08.190 --> 01:07:12.250
And that was with the toggle you mentioned. And

01:07:12.250 --> 01:07:16.460
not to mention just last week, I... I'm like

01:07:16.460 --> 01:07:19.480
holding my breath, but they said the testing's

01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:22.539
going fine in Cyfair and they've dropped it.

01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.539
They, you know, they tossed it to someone else

01:07:25.539 --> 01:07:28.400
and they intentionally drop it as though you're

01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:30.699
trying to toss it over here, put this on your

01:07:30.699 --> 01:07:32.760
gun, go whatever. So they were going through

01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:35.679
every little semantical way that it could be

01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:39.099
dropped, bumped into. But it's interesting you

01:07:39.099 --> 01:07:42.489
say that because. I was always curious why the

01:07:42.489 --> 01:07:46.349
barrel of the gun was shorter than the extension

01:07:46.349 --> 01:07:52.409
of the light. And as I find out, a lot of the

01:07:52.409 --> 01:07:56.409
weapons will not fire in close quarter combat

01:07:56.409 --> 01:07:59.250
when you have to hold your gun to somebody's

01:07:59.250 --> 01:08:01.630
rib cage, say. That's right. Takes it out of

01:08:01.630 --> 01:08:05.210
battery. Absolutely true. Yeah. If you press

01:08:05.210 --> 01:08:09.010
the slide, it will take the weapon out of battery.

01:08:09.869 --> 01:08:16.149
Absolutely true. Yeah, that that again, my goodness,

01:08:16.250 --> 01:08:18.409
home loans would never have taught you that.

01:08:19.250 --> 01:08:23.310
So but it's those little things, you know, it's

01:08:23.310 --> 01:08:27.489
those little nuances that I just kept. Neurotically,

01:08:27.609 --> 01:08:30.430
I kept a list of every little comment I could,

01:08:30.470 --> 01:08:33.810
you know, but but back to the shot show, I think

01:08:33.810 --> 01:08:36.970
a lot of the people there were. how do you say,

01:08:37.050 --> 01:08:39.930
either retired or active military, retired or

01:08:39.930 --> 01:08:43.569
active law enforcement, but they'll always seem

01:08:43.569 --> 01:08:46.590
to have a friend or a wife or a husband that

01:08:46.590 --> 01:08:52.090
isn't. And you could see them talking, you know,

01:08:52.090 --> 01:08:55.449
as they're kind of goofing off with the light.

01:08:56.050 --> 01:09:00.010
And it was very helpful to hear those conversations

01:09:00.010 --> 01:09:03.770
about, oh my God, this really makes up for...

01:09:04.010 --> 01:09:07.189
not being in law enforcement or things like that.

01:09:07.250 --> 01:09:09.569
Little subtle nuances that you would think are

01:09:09.569 --> 01:09:14.270
innocuous, but not at all. Like if your husband's

01:09:14.270 --> 01:09:18.470
a police officer or your wife's a sheriff, that

01:09:18.470 --> 01:09:21.689
doesn't make you as adequate with a firearm as

01:09:21.689 --> 01:09:24.430
he or her. So you better have something that

01:09:24.430 --> 01:09:27.890
makes up for that as best as you can. And so

01:09:27.890 --> 01:09:32.750
that was interesting is, you know, you see people

01:09:32.750 --> 01:09:35.670
like something and then they start to open up

01:09:35.670 --> 01:09:40.369
and share some personality traits about how it

01:09:40.369 --> 01:09:42.289
could help them individually. That was cool.

01:09:42.550 --> 01:09:45.930
So now this is your full -time pursuit? Yeah.

01:09:48.489 --> 01:09:51.229
I had started with the first light, the big handheld.

01:09:51.310 --> 01:09:54.989
I call it the walk the dog light or the Zoom

01:09:54.989 --> 01:10:01.329
180 instead of the C180. But the iterations of

01:10:01.329 --> 01:10:05.649
that utility patent are endless. Maybe this time

01:10:05.649 --> 01:10:09.689
next year we'll be discussing the long gun light.

01:10:10.170 --> 01:10:12.409
Oh, how about micro pistol light? You thinking

01:10:12.409 --> 01:10:16.470
that way, too? Yes. I noticed there was one.

01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:22.460
There is one similarity up until recently, but

01:10:22.460 --> 01:10:27.699
some of the manufacturers are going to a custom

01:10:27.699 --> 01:10:32.920
square rectangular battery. And if I can do that,

01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:36.479
as long as it's okay to be a little wider, like

01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:40.180
the, I mean, Surefire knows what they're doing,

01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:42.920
but it's a little wider. So is the Streamlight.

01:10:43.020 --> 01:10:48.109
A lot of lights have... two cr123 batteries width

01:10:48.109 --> 01:10:53.390
yeah side by side yeah so if we go square single

01:10:53.390 --> 01:10:56.930
it's almost like an 18 350 but you'd call it

01:10:56.930 --> 01:11:02.069
like an 18 250 so 25 millimeters long um but

01:11:02.069 --> 01:11:06.649
like a cube a rectangular cube so it would sit

01:11:06.649 --> 01:11:11.159
there would be no wiggle room but It would do

01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:13.079
the exact same thing. It would be just as bright,

01:11:13.180 --> 01:11:15.380
just the battery wouldn't last as long, right?

01:11:15.500 --> 01:11:17.859
Just when you shorten the light, you shorten

01:11:17.859 --> 01:11:20.520
the battery, it dies fast. I can live with that.

01:11:20.579 --> 01:11:24.279
I mean, that would be, I think, fantastic for,

01:11:24.300 --> 01:11:27.739
you know, opening the aperture to... That was

01:11:27.739 --> 01:11:30.640
almost an optical term. Open the aperture to

01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:34.239
other markets out there. What I envision is,

01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:36.579
I know you're trying to stay within the existing

01:11:36.579 --> 01:11:39.720
holster technology that's popular out there,

01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:45.380
but I see an opportunity for you to basically...

01:11:46.500 --> 01:11:49.560
Have a magnetic charger that would just click

01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:51.659
onto it as you insert the gun in the holster.

01:11:51.739 --> 01:11:54.600
The magnetic charger just clicks onto it. And

01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:59.100
not one of the ones that uses the induction method

01:11:59.100 --> 01:12:01.640
of charging. No, no, no. Just the magnetic one

01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:04.760
just clicks on there. And then the holster itself

01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:09.420
carries. a battery pack that's molded into the

01:12:09.420 --> 01:12:13.520
holster, which has, you know, some, you know,

01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:17.159
32 600s or whatever, you know, two or three of

01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.859
those, which would then recharge the light as

01:12:19.859 --> 01:12:23.159
soon as the weapon is reholstered. And then the

01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:25.659
person will be responsible for like once a week,

01:12:25.779 --> 01:12:27.899
you know, just to make sure they go home and

01:12:27.899 --> 01:12:32.680
charge the battery pack on the holster as part

01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:36.060
of their duty belt. But now you're into holsters,

01:12:36.060 --> 01:12:39.859
lights, you know, the design. And I'm sure you

01:12:39.859 --> 01:12:41.239
still have a green laser in there somewhere.

01:12:41.939 --> 01:12:49.000
And a red dot sight and a compass. Don't forget

01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:56.100
the cell phone. Yeah. Well, I will say, though.

01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:01.840
it gets a lot easier. It gets geometrically easier,

01:13:02.020 --> 01:13:06.939
the larger it gets. So if we, if we go from a

01:13:06.939 --> 01:13:11.279
pistol mounted light to a long gun light, now

01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:17.140
you're, you're a rectangular cube battery that,

01:13:17.220 --> 01:13:21.229
you know, is 80 millimeters long. And that thing

01:13:21.229 --> 01:13:24.069
would light up a football field with our technology.

01:13:24.250 --> 01:13:26.789
And so you run into problems when you're trying

01:13:26.789 --> 01:13:28.630
to make things smaller and smaller and smaller.

01:13:28.829 --> 01:13:31.970
But if it's just a matter of having the magnetic

01:13:31.970 --> 01:13:37.649
charge on both sides of the holster and the gunlight,

01:13:37.970 --> 01:13:42.189
it's interesting you say that. There was a location

01:13:42.189 --> 01:13:46.170
in San Joaquin County, Central California. Here

01:13:46.170 --> 01:13:50.010
we go again. But it would be a lot easier. If

01:13:50.010 --> 01:13:52.970
you have your duty belt, you take your gun off

01:13:52.970 --> 01:13:56.050
in the holster, whatever. But you never take

01:13:56.050 --> 01:13:58.210
the gun out. You never take the light off. You

01:13:58.210 --> 01:14:01.729
plug into the holster instead. And I thought

01:14:01.729 --> 01:14:03.869
that was a really clever idea. And you've just

01:14:03.869 --> 01:14:07.829
reiterated that. So I think that's an easy, easy

01:14:07.829 --> 01:14:11.779
fix because. At that point, you're just putting

01:14:11.779 --> 01:14:16.460
a really thick nickel, the radius and size of

01:14:16.460 --> 01:14:19.380
a nickel, maybe twice as thick, but you put that

01:14:19.380 --> 01:14:23.340
on the rear back of the light, and that touches

01:14:23.340 --> 01:14:26.439
or connects with the holster, and you're in business.

01:14:26.659 --> 01:14:28.500
Arguably, it's safer, too, because you're not

01:14:28.500 --> 01:14:31.840
unholstering the weapon in order to provide it

01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:35.659
power. I mean, that's a reach, because we're

01:14:35.659 --> 01:14:38.979
talking now about... injection molds, which are

01:14:38.979 --> 01:14:41.920
really expensive or things like that, that are

01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:44.579
maybe going to take a while to come to fruition.

01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:47.220
But I mean, in the process of bringing this to

01:14:47.220 --> 01:14:50.720
market, I'm assuming that the product is, at

01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:53.340
least most of it is offshore parts. True statement.

01:14:53.739 --> 01:14:56.560
And if so, what are the effects of the recent

01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:59.859
tariffs? Is it affecting you really at all materially?

01:15:01.149 --> 01:15:04.449
I know everything about it. They're going to

01:15:04.449 --> 01:15:08.229
help bring manufacturers back here. That's a

01:15:08.229 --> 01:15:10.750
little more long -term, but for now. Well, it's

01:15:10.750 --> 01:15:13.029
a long game. You're not just going to. Yeah.

01:15:13.189 --> 01:15:17.109
The effects. It's like seasons, right? I mean,

01:15:17.250 --> 01:15:20.550
you know, the first day of winter is the shortest

01:15:20.550 --> 01:15:22.649
day of the year. You'd think that'd be the middle

01:15:22.649 --> 01:15:24.609
of winter, but it's not. There's a delay effect

01:15:24.609 --> 01:15:28.029
in the environment. The environment here is no

01:15:28.029 --> 01:15:29.569
different. It's going to take a while to see

01:15:29.569 --> 01:15:33.079
the benefits. Well, I think what was interesting

01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:38.000
is the data is starting to come in. And you saw

01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.300
all of these delays and tariff issues because

01:15:41.300 --> 01:15:46.899
in response to Trump and his team, manufacturers

01:15:46.899 --> 01:15:50.180
from overseas were flooding the market at the

01:15:50.180 --> 01:15:53.220
highest price possible, which is the biggest

01:15:53.220 --> 01:15:57.750
tell and mistake they could have made. If you

01:15:57.750 --> 01:16:00.430
get too much inventory, you're going to essentially

01:16:00.430 --> 01:16:02.850
lower the interest rate because the product is

01:16:02.850 --> 01:16:07.170
in such quantity that the price will organically

01:16:07.170 --> 01:16:09.989
go down. If they didn't send anything, they said,

01:16:10.029 --> 01:16:12.310
you know what? We're not going to send Roy any

01:16:12.310 --> 01:16:15.750
of his LEDs. South Korea, we're not sending Roy

01:16:15.750 --> 01:16:19.149
any of our batteries that go through China and

01:16:19.149 --> 01:16:24.329
then to here. Then yeah, that would have been...

01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:27.000
a standoff but instead they tried to flood the

01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:30.439
market to make as much money as they could before

01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:33.939
the tariffs were instituted um and then that

01:16:33.939 --> 01:16:36.760
was a critical mistake on their part so the quick

01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:39.779
answer is that the tariffs didn't affect us at

01:16:39.779 --> 01:16:43.680
all but but then again we're talking about shoestring

01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:47.939
right and led they're a penny a piece yeah they're

01:16:47.939 --> 01:16:51.430
very inexpensive low margin item Oh, my goodness.

01:16:51.590 --> 01:16:54.289
And the batteries, they're made everywhere. They're

01:16:54.289 --> 01:16:57.350
made in South Korea, India, you name it, Vietnam.

01:16:57.909 --> 01:17:03.329
But the majority of them wind up in Shenzhen,

01:17:03.329 --> 01:17:06.029
China. They'll wrap them, put the little blue

01:17:06.029 --> 01:17:12.250
safety restrictor on them, and then ship a container,

01:17:12.569 --> 01:17:14.670
you know, a couple tons of them to whomever.

01:17:14.689 --> 01:17:17.050
They'll put their logo on them and say made in

01:17:17.050 --> 01:17:22.989
the USA. Because it's fascinating if you try

01:17:22.989 --> 01:17:27.189
to obtain commercial liability insurance on a

01:17:27.189 --> 01:17:30.789
product and you turn one screw, and I mean one,

01:17:30.890 --> 01:17:33.529
and you have somebody that could get injured,

01:17:33.710 --> 01:17:37.149
you're the manufacturer, hands down, hard stop.

01:17:37.529 --> 01:17:41.489
And so for a lot of people to say made in the

01:17:41.489 --> 01:17:45.720
USA. I'm not doubting them, but I'm just a little

01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:48.800
reluctant. To what extent are they made in the

01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:54.500
USA, though? Right. And so the whole point of

01:17:54.500 --> 01:17:59.079
the flashlight is to bolster law enforcement

01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:04.560
in the USA, military for the USA. And so I do

01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:09.539
see a day very soon, although extremely expensive.

01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:13.579
over $200 ,000 to print those little circuit

01:18:13.579 --> 01:18:16.739
boards with the LEDs. They're incredibly expensive,

01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:20.619
but that's one time and you're done. And then

01:18:20.619 --> 01:18:24.979
you can, you can start to, you know, create volume,

01:18:25.180 --> 01:18:29.220
you know, printing five or 6 ,000 units a month,

01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:34.760
you know? And so, but I, I think. I don't want

01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:37.319
to get too far off topic with this, but I think

01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:43.600
China's old guard is inhibiting and has a damaging

01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:45.800
effect on a lot of good people that are there.

01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:49.399
Same thing in India. Same thing in Vietnam. Like

01:18:49.399 --> 01:18:53.260
some of the old school kind of iron fist, the

01:18:53.260 --> 01:18:56.600
military has to be involved in anything important.

01:18:56.819 --> 01:19:00.130
I think that's a dying effort. I think there's

01:19:00.130 --> 01:19:02.789
a lot of things that are getting more and more

01:19:02.789 --> 01:19:09.310
global than, you know, physically centric. So

01:19:09.310 --> 01:19:11.510
I'm looking forward to, you know, seeing your

01:19:11.510 --> 01:19:14.010
product. I don't know if you've heard about what

01:19:14.010 --> 01:19:17.470
Contra Costa County here is doing here in California.

01:19:18.329 --> 01:19:22.170
They recently they have banned. You got to love

01:19:22.170 --> 01:19:24.670
this. This is another, you know, banning firearms.

01:19:25.130 --> 01:19:29.329
They have banned. Weapons mounted flashlights,

01:19:29.409 --> 01:19:34.109
lasers, and red dot optics on any firearm that's

01:19:34.109 --> 01:19:37.869
carried on your CCW. So they've now made it illegal

01:19:37.869 --> 01:19:41.170
in just one county, Contra Costa County. And

01:19:41.170 --> 01:19:43.229
we have 58 counties in the state of California,

01:19:43.369 --> 01:19:47.850
so one of them. And California is like a cancer.

01:19:47.890 --> 01:19:51.630
When we have a stupid idea, it grows. And I wouldn't

01:19:51.630 --> 01:19:53.970
expect I wouldn't doubt that that other stupid

01:19:53.970 --> 01:19:56.109
counties are going to start adopting this. Oh,

01:19:56.170 --> 01:19:58.550
yeah. You can't have a you can't have a flashlight.

01:19:58.890 --> 01:20:01.029
Why would you want to be able to identify your

01:20:01.029 --> 01:20:02.829
target before you take your shot? I mean, come

01:20:02.829 --> 01:20:07.609
on, because criminals all use red dots. Right.

01:20:07.689 --> 01:20:10.470
That's what they train with. Yeah, exactly. And

01:20:10.470 --> 01:20:13.989
I think it's fascinating where I live in New

01:20:13.989 --> 01:20:18.409
York. The entire state is bright red. Right.

01:20:18.510 --> 01:20:22.229
But then you go. buffalo rochester albany new

01:20:22.229 --> 01:20:27.649
york city it's like blue atom bombs went off

01:20:27.649 --> 01:20:30.029
right there you know and so it's so interesting

01:20:30.029 --> 01:20:32.909
and so is california i mean it if you look at

01:20:32.909 --> 01:20:38.029
the the constituency mapping um but but like

01:20:38.029 --> 01:20:41.989
you say they are so monkey see monkey do and

01:20:41.989 --> 01:20:44.609
a lot of it has to do with insurance right so

01:20:44.609 --> 01:20:47.609
the insurer says oh good this is a good way we're

01:20:47.609 --> 01:20:51.000
going to make money because You know, if civilians,

01:20:51.180 --> 01:20:54.060
you know, can't carry them, they're less likely

01:20:54.060 --> 01:20:56.260
to use them and maybe they won't shoot somebody

01:20:56.260 --> 01:20:59.319
and they get sued, you know, and then the homeowner's

01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:03.039
policy. Right. So the most abstract logistical

01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:07.199
justifications take place can within that realm.

01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:11.119
Right. Why on earth? Like you say, the bad guys,

01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:13.100
they're going to throw a Molotov cocktail at

01:21:13.100 --> 01:21:15.939
you. They're going to throw a knife at you. They'll

01:21:15.939 --> 01:21:20.220
kill you if they want to, right? And so to say

01:21:20.220 --> 01:21:23.680
that a gun that has a light or a laser is going

01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:26.800
to make any difference, it's going to hurt the

01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:30.680
citizen. It's going to promote the criminal activity,

01:21:30.939 --> 01:21:35.760
which I hope Mamdani wins the mayoral race in

01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:38.220
New York City so they can see exactly what they

01:21:38.220 --> 01:21:41.060
elected. Right. And what they elected was anger.

01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:45.680
And so the same thing in California, like a good

01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:48.880
friend of mine, Larry Elder, ran against Gavin

01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:53.539
Newsom. And and man, him and I did so many commercials

01:21:53.539 --> 01:21:59.979
together. And it was sickening to see how much

01:21:59.979 --> 01:22:06.850
a campaign will use. items like gender or race

01:22:06.850 --> 01:22:11.510
or nationality. But then if there's an opponent

01:22:11.510 --> 01:22:15.090
who happens to be within one of those categories

01:22:15.090 --> 01:22:18.489
who is not of the same political bias, they will

01:22:18.489 --> 01:22:24.270
obliterate them. And so, you know, for the time

01:22:24.270 --> 01:22:26.390
when he was walking through his old neighborhood,

01:22:26.529 --> 01:22:30.239
this guy grew up in East LA, right? Gavin grew

01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:33.659
up with a spoon in his mouth from Nancy and John

01:22:33.659 --> 01:22:36.520
Pelosi or Paul Pelosi. Right. So so but then

01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:39.460
they throw an egg at him. A white guy throws

01:22:39.460 --> 01:22:41.880
an egg at a black person in one of the worst

01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:45.579
neighborhoods. And that is not that would have

01:22:45.579 --> 01:22:48.520
been if I'm the governor of California, my focal

01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:51.239
effort for the next year. Like that would be

01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:54.300
in every news cycle that this has got to stop.

01:22:54.460 --> 01:22:58.310
But they endorsed it. Ken, they. they said see

01:22:58.310 --> 01:23:00.649
that's what the public thinks you know that's

01:23:00.649 --> 01:23:05.850
why we're successful as a state and it's uh that

01:23:05.850 --> 01:23:08.710
doesn't surprise me contra costa county come

01:23:08.710 --> 01:23:12.550
on you know so in closing out uh roy you got

01:23:12.550 --> 01:23:15.909
any um you know closers that are maybe entertaining

01:23:15.909 --> 01:23:18.970
stories or any little snippet you haven't covered

01:23:18.970 --> 01:23:21.310
and and by the way i would invite you also if

01:23:21.310 --> 01:23:23.369
you have a website or you're going to be making

01:23:23.369 --> 01:23:25.869
personal appearances at any of the trade shows

01:23:25.869 --> 01:23:28.409
other than shot you know coming up you have a

01:23:28.409 --> 01:23:30.729
youtube channel or anything you want to promote

01:23:30.729 --> 01:23:33.649
you know the floor is yours uh as we finish out

01:23:33.649 --> 01:23:38.920
well um the the the ndas have allowed me now

01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:42.699
to come onto your show and, you know, hopefully,

01:23:42.859 --> 01:23:46.939
you know, we can educate more people. We're going

01:23:46.939 --> 01:23:50.140
to launch the website in a technical format.

01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:54.220
So it appears as any retailer online that would

01:23:54.220 --> 01:23:57.739
be at lights for lives. So lights, the number

01:23:57.739 --> 01:24:02.359
four lives .com. So lights for lives .com. But

01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:10.060
yeah, I, you'll, you'll see this. effort across

01:24:10.060 --> 01:24:13.600
all social media channels. I look forward to

01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:17.760
the SHOT Show, as a matter of fact, because there

01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:22.600
is a direct correlation between the UFC and law

01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:27.359
enforcement, military. It is. They walk side

01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:30.779
by side. And so we're going to have a couple

01:24:30.779 --> 01:24:35.180
celebrities with us. Uriah Faber, he's a Hall

01:24:35.180 --> 01:24:38.489
of Famer. There's a couple active fighters. One

01:24:38.489 --> 01:24:42.029
of them fights this weekend. So root for Josh

01:24:42.029 --> 01:24:45.470
Emmett. But yeah, we'll be a media. We'll have

01:24:45.470 --> 01:24:49.229
a social media presence very soon. I think the

01:24:49.229 --> 01:24:53.449
videos that we've come up with, that's been the

01:24:53.449 --> 01:24:57.039
most. How would you say validating experience

01:24:57.039 --> 01:25:00.720
I've had? Because we go into Uriah Faber's gym,

01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:02.920
right? And there's a couple of folks from law

01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:07.100
enforcement with me. And so it's a humongous

01:25:07.100 --> 01:25:09.279
gym. So he has, and it's like 10 o 'clock at

01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:12.039
night, all the power's out. And so these guys

01:25:12.039 --> 01:25:16.899
are scary looking, right? They beat people up

01:25:16.899 --> 01:25:20.140
for a living, right? And so they're hiding in

01:25:20.140 --> 01:25:23.819
different spots of the gym. You know, as you

01:25:23.819 --> 01:25:26.640
walk into a gym, lots of times the left and right

01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:30.140
walls as you walk in are long, like 50 feet long,

01:25:30.300 --> 01:25:33.079
100 feet long, because you're walking into basically

01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:38.500
a warehouse. And so Josh Emmett, who is Joe Rogan's

01:25:38.500 --> 01:25:41.180
one of his favorite fighters, is literally standing

01:25:41.180 --> 01:25:46.199
about 75 feet to the right in a corner. If you

01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:48.800
turn the lights on, he would be in plain sight,

01:25:48.859 --> 01:25:51.520
but he was just standing with his arms kind of

01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:54.039
like or like hands in his pockets trying to be

01:25:54.039 --> 01:25:58.779
as still as he could. And so we walk in and the

01:25:58.779 --> 01:26:02.800
officer has the I'll call it the single beam

01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:05.300
light. Right. And so, you know, she's spanning

01:26:05.300 --> 01:26:08.119
and tells, you know, three or four people, get

01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:09.760
your hands up, get your hands up, get down on

01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:13.420
the ground. OK. doesn't notice josh the entire

01:26:13.420 --> 01:26:16.579
time so this is like 60 seconds of him staring

01:26:16.579 --> 01:26:21.600
at us i know and so so we go back outside put

01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:25.140
the other lights on the guns go back in and she

01:26:25.140 --> 01:26:28.260
lists around the corner and the the right side

01:26:28.260 --> 01:26:31.340
so the three o 'clock led it lights him up and

01:26:31.340 --> 01:26:35.079
here's this guy just looking right at her and

01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:38.579
it was she's like oh i'm dead and i'm gonna recommend

01:26:38.579 --> 01:26:41.869
this to the firearms committee It happened. Do

01:26:41.869 --> 01:26:45.810
I get to post the link to that in the show notes?

01:26:46.329 --> 01:26:51.270
Oh, my goodness. I actually have the video. I

01:26:51.270 --> 01:26:52.909
want something our listeners can take a look

01:26:52.909 --> 01:26:56.090
at. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Let me get

01:26:56.090 --> 01:26:58.989
permission on that so I don't open up that can

01:26:58.989 --> 01:27:03.050
of worms. But, oh, yeah, it was one of the oddest.

01:27:04.069 --> 01:27:06.649
locations to do it too because there's so many

01:27:06.649 --> 01:27:10.149
things in a gym that like chrome like reflective

01:27:10.149 --> 01:27:14.489
and so so it's weird like all the mirrors and

01:27:14.489 --> 01:27:17.970
you know you can you can hide pretty well in

01:27:17.970 --> 01:27:19.949
those things behind the treadmills and stuff

01:27:19.949 --> 01:27:23.810
but anyway i got a kick out of that but well

01:27:23.810 --> 01:27:25.750
thank you roy for coming on the show my pleasure

01:27:25.750 --> 01:27:29.810
it's been it actually this has been i haven't

01:27:29.810 --> 01:27:32.319
checked yet I think it's the longest show we've

01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:35.119
ever recorded, but it doesn't feel that way because

01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:39.640
the content is so engaging and so good. And,

01:27:39.699 --> 01:27:43.659
Ken, what else you got for Roy? I really appreciate

01:27:43.659 --> 01:27:45.739
it coming on. I really appreciate it having an

01:27:45.739 --> 01:27:47.859
opportunity to look at this really groundbreaking

01:27:47.859 --> 01:27:49.880
product, and it's something that I definitely

01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:54.579
want to add to my carry as soon as I can, as

01:27:54.579 --> 01:27:56.399
soon as it becomes available. Yeah, exactly.

01:27:57.050 --> 01:28:00.390
Bless your hearts. Just one last comment that

01:28:00.390 --> 01:28:04.449
it's near and dear to my heart, but half of what

01:28:04.449 --> 01:28:08.510
I make, you know, of course, after expenses,

01:28:08.529 --> 01:28:11.770
but there's five cancer centers that are the

01:28:11.770 --> 01:28:16.090
reason I'm here. And I am not impressed by money

01:28:16.090 --> 01:28:20.699
at all. And so anything I can do to help. These

01:28:20.699 --> 01:28:24.100
boys and girls. I mean, I'm surrounded by UFC

01:28:24.100 --> 01:28:27.260
fighters, but they all say the same thing, especially

01:28:27.260 --> 01:28:29.600
some of those that I've taken through the cancer

01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:32.039
ward where I've done murals and stuff like that.

01:28:32.140 --> 01:28:37.000
And that's the true fight. It's a strung out

01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:42.399
mental, physical battle that. I wouldn't want

01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:45.819
my worst enemy to go through. So that half of

01:28:45.819 --> 01:28:47.640
what I'm making is going to go to some of those

01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:50.960
big locations like Memorial Sloan and UCD and

01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:55.460
et cetera. Can you send us some, because we're

01:28:55.460 --> 01:28:58.239
all about promoting here, right? And can you

01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:01.020
send us maybe the links of a couple of places

01:29:01.020 --> 01:29:03.800
you'd like listeners, if they're so inclined,

01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:06.720
no obligation, but if they're inclined, that

01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:09.840
we could post for you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah,

01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:13.199
absolutely. For example, like a personal website

01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:17.600
or a personal email address. Well, no, I was

01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:21.720
referring to that too. If you want inquiries

01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:25.819
about perhaps people who may want to join your

01:29:25.819 --> 01:29:27.939
team or invest along with you or something like

01:29:27.939 --> 01:29:31.659
that. But I was referring more to what cancer

01:29:31.659 --> 01:29:35.189
centers you recommend people donate to. Oh, yeah,

01:29:35.350 --> 01:29:39.569
absolutely. Yeah, Memorial Sloan Kettering in

01:29:39.569 --> 01:29:44.869
New York, the Mayo Clinic, University of San

01:29:44.869 --> 01:29:48.829
Francisco, University of Davis, and then Stanford.

01:29:48.829 --> 01:29:53.960
Those were the five. that collaborated and they

01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:57.260
took risks. Usually when you're stage four, you'll

01:29:57.260 --> 01:30:00.680
have high dose chemo and radiation. And if it

01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:05.840
comes back, usually, if it comes back quickly,

01:30:06.020 --> 01:30:08.920
there's not a whole lot you can do. You're usually

01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:14.539
put on hospice. And so a lot of folks at a couple

01:30:14.539 --> 01:30:17.180
of these health systems said, nope, he's young

01:30:17.180 --> 01:30:19.779
enough. We can try it because the bone marrow

01:30:19.779 --> 01:30:22.000
transplant sounds like a simple procedure where

01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:25.100
it's a physical operation. When in fact they

01:30:25.100 --> 01:30:27.000
bring you down, they bring your white counts

01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:29.680
down to zero. And to do that, it's like you're

01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:33.380
drinking gasoline for a month. And so, and then

01:30:33.380 --> 01:30:36.300
when they have your white counts as low as humanly

01:30:36.300 --> 01:30:38.720
possible before you pass away, that's when they

01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:43.970
re -infuse the bone marrow. Painful. Oh, well,

01:30:44.069 --> 01:30:46.069
yeah, the bone marrow aspirate. Oh, my goodness.

01:30:46.210 --> 01:30:48.029
Yeah. When they have to take those samples, that's

01:30:48.029 --> 01:30:52.210
very, very real. That's corkscrew real. But yeah,

01:30:52.390 --> 01:30:58.149
those five locations are so integral to my being

01:30:58.149 --> 01:31:02.970
and going forward. All right. Great show. Great

01:31:02.970 --> 01:31:05.670
show. Thanks very much, Roy. Appreciate you having

01:31:05.670 --> 01:31:08.829
me on, sir. Okay. Thank you both. Thank you.

01:31:08.829 --> 01:31:11.909
Take care. Well, today we had Rory come on and

01:31:11.909 --> 01:31:14.229
talk to us about a new product that he's going

01:31:14.229 --> 01:31:16.890
to be bringing to the market here shortly. We

01:31:16.890 --> 01:31:19.350
had the opportunity to take a look at a pre -production

01:31:19.350 --> 01:31:22.569
or near -production weapons -mounted light for

01:31:22.569 --> 01:31:25.729
your, for example, any of your Glocks or any

01:31:25.729 --> 01:31:30.130
railed handgun that you might have. Instead of

01:31:30.130 --> 01:31:33.329
just shooting a 30 or 45 -degree beam out in

01:31:33.329 --> 01:31:36.689
front of you, shoots a 180 -degree beam left

01:31:36.689 --> 01:31:41.810
to right. Phenomenal opportunity to really give

01:31:41.810 --> 01:31:44.649
you situational awareness. So very much enjoyed

01:31:44.649 --> 01:31:47.329
it. Very much looking forward to seeing what

01:31:47.329 --> 01:31:49.850
the final product will be. We'll definitely be

01:31:49.850 --> 01:31:52.090
ordering one of them. Greg, your take on it.

01:31:52.369 --> 01:31:55.289
And while it was developed from the inspiration

01:31:55.289 --> 01:31:58.640
of a law enforcement engagement that went the

01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:02.300
wrong way. The applicability of this product

01:32:02.300 --> 01:32:06.279
reaches definitely into the civilian sector.

01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:09.479
A person who's trying to, I mean, maybe even

01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:12.119
more so than law enforcement, because if law

01:32:12.119 --> 01:32:14.100
enforcement goes in on a stack and they got a

01:32:14.100 --> 01:32:17.479
team of five guys, two, maybe five guys, something

01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:19.319
like that, there's going to be multiple lights

01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:24.340
in the space. For a homeowner, whether or not

01:32:24.340 --> 01:32:26.600
it's a good idea to... quote -unquote clear your

01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:29.359
house to begin with is tactically questionable

01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:33.020
but let's say you're in that situation the ability

01:32:33.020 --> 01:32:37.359
to solo light up a space that without turning

01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:41.460
on all the lights be able to see the pets children

01:32:41.460 --> 01:32:45.579
or the perpetrator that matters and that's going

01:32:45.579 --> 01:32:47.640
to be worth the cost of entry on this product

01:32:47.640 --> 01:32:51.180
which we don't even know yet right we don't know

01:32:51.180 --> 01:32:53.329
yet i'm just Just looking at the technology,

01:32:53.590 --> 01:32:57.810
it is a real game changer. It is. It is. So long

01:32:57.810 --> 01:33:01.350
show, but absolutely great content. Just great

01:33:01.350 --> 01:33:05.250
content. So next time we're looking to do, I've

01:33:05.250 --> 01:33:07.430
got a couple of the companies that reached out

01:33:07.430 --> 01:33:10.729
to. One that has been very difficult to get a

01:33:10.729 --> 01:33:13.210
hold of finally reached back to me today and

01:33:13.210 --> 01:33:16.229
at least acknowledged our presence, which is

01:33:16.229 --> 01:33:19.270
nice. So we'll see about getting them on. Ken

01:33:19.270 --> 01:33:22.729
and I have also reviewed some products. that

01:33:22.729 --> 01:33:25.090
we are going to do just a solo, you know, our

01:33:25.090 --> 01:33:27.430
own opinion product review show. And, you know,

01:33:27.449 --> 01:33:28.989
Ken, something we haven't talked about in a long

01:33:28.989 --> 01:33:32.449
time is our product value ratings. So we have

01:33:32.449 --> 01:33:34.649
to kind of resurrect that. We talked about that

01:33:34.649 --> 01:33:38.109
early on. And even though we don't know the price

01:33:38.109 --> 01:33:40.270
of Roy's Light yet, I think it's going to have

01:33:40.270 --> 01:33:42.449
a very high product value rating because it's

01:33:42.449 --> 01:33:45.829
just so damn unique. But there's a few other

01:33:45.829 --> 01:33:48.029
things, like we were just using at the range

01:33:48.029 --> 01:33:51.579
the other day, Clear Ballistics Gel. And we could

01:33:51.579 --> 01:33:53.220
talk about that. We'll talk about that, too,

01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:55.420
because there's alternatives that are homegrown.

01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:59.260
And I think you have a couple ideas on things

01:33:59.260 --> 01:34:01.000
you want to talk about, too. So they'll come

01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:04.539
up a few weeks out from now. But in the meantime,

01:34:04.859 --> 01:34:09.020
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01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:11.619
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01:34:30.289 --> 01:34:32.609
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01:34:32.609 --> 01:34:36.210
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01:34:36.210 --> 01:34:38.369
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01:34:38.369 --> 01:34:41.270
it didn't before. So it's definitely getting

01:34:41.270 --> 01:34:44.510
out there. So thank you listeners and good night.

01:34:44.529 --> 01:35:07.270
Good night, everyone. Oh my goodness. Like they're

01:35:07.270 --> 01:35:10.310
paying a hundred grand for a week. Yes, they

01:35:10.310 --> 01:35:12.229
are. And, and you know what, if you want to get

01:35:12.229 --> 01:35:15.109
a keg of beer and just in the afternoon or something,

01:35:15.250 --> 01:35:17.449
that'll get people to come by. That's going to

01:35:17.449 --> 01:35:19.890
cost you hundreds. That keg of beer will cost

01:35:19.890 --> 01:35:23.430
you hundreds of dollars. Yep. Right. So my God,

01:35:23.449 --> 01:35:25.970
depending, depending on the beer, no Keystone

01:35:25.970 --> 01:35:29.970
light, no Keystone. I hope not. Ken doesn't drink,

01:35:30.010 --> 01:35:34.699
but I do. So I will drink Ken's beer. Yeah, if

01:35:34.699 --> 01:35:37.199
you pour me one, I'll hand it to you. I tell

01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:39.880
you what, last year they had a place. I usually

01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:43.340
look for it in about the 2 .30 and later 3 o

01:35:43.340 --> 01:35:45.560
'clock range is when they'll start coming out.

01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:48.300
Some guy last year on the first floor had it

01:35:48.300 --> 01:35:51.520
out at 12 .30, and I'm like, oh, God damn it.

01:35:52.699 --> 01:35:57.500
Free beer. Come on. Now I'm obligated to drink

01:35:57.500 --> 01:36:01.880
this. Yeah. Damn it. I mean, you got to pitch

01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:02.079
in.