WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.560 There are people out there who are so vehemently 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:07.040 opposed to all that is good, true, and beautiful 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:11.519 that they are willing to murder in cold blood 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:16.300 anybody who is effective at advancing the cause 00:00:16.300 --> 00:00:18.820 for that which is good, true, and beautiful, 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:45.460 because that's what Charlie Kirk did. Welcome 00:00:45.460 --> 00:00:47.880 to episode 20 of the Fugle Firearms Podcast, 00:00:48.100 --> 00:00:50.320 the podcast that's here to help you get the most 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:52.799 for your shooting dollar, get the maximum amount 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:55.219 of enjoyment for not only your equipment, but 00:00:55.219 --> 00:00:57.359 your training and everything around the shooting 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:00.280 sports industries. But today's a little bit of 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:04.459 a different show and in kind of a bad way. Just 00:01:04.459 --> 00:01:07.239 a few hours ago, President Trump announced the 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:12.230 passing of Charlie Kirk. That's something that's 00:01:12.230 --> 00:01:14.650 going to be first and foremost in this show. 00:01:15.349 --> 00:01:18.489 And when we bring on our guest, he's going to, 00:01:18.489 --> 00:01:21.450 I'm sure, have some thoughts about that. We're 00:01:21.450 --> 00:01:23.890 going to be bringing on Mr. Huey Laugason, who 00:01:23.890 --> 00:01:26.930 is a candidate for the NRA Board of Directors 00:01:26.930 --> 00:01:29.790 in the next upcoming election. So if you remember, 00:01:30.010 --> 00:01:33.530 we had a show not that long ago with Amanda Suffolk 00:01:33.530 --> 00:01:37.189 concerning the just past election where actually 00:01:37.189 --> 00:01:39.689 she did succeed. So, you know, congratulations 00:01:39.689 --> 00:01:42.260 to her. Maybe a little pat on the back for us 00:01:42.260 --> 00:01:44.739 for helping her get there to the smallest stint 00:01:44.739 --> 00:01:47.260 that we did. But we're going to bring on Huey 00:01:47.260 --> 00:01:49.700 because Huey is doing his homework well in advance 00:01:49.700 --> 00:01:53.959 and trying to develop advocacy. But before we 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.099 talk about him and, you know, the unfortunate 00:01:57.099 --> 00:01:59.260 events of today, Charlie Kirk, I'll bring on 00:01:59.260 --> 00:02:03.379 my co -host, Ken. Ken, bad day, isn't it? It 00:02:03.379 --> 00:02:06.319 is a bad day, yeah. Charlie Kirk is someone who 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:09.520 I've been watching on YouTube. He's the founder 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:12.659 of the Turning Point USA. He's got a ton of videos 00:02:12.659 --> 00:02:18.080 out there. He is sharp and fast, or I should 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:22.000 say he was sharp and fast, and a deep thinker, 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:26.740 and a person who never necessarily said, oh, 00:02:26.740 --> 00:02:29.039 just because you have some degree means that 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.860 you're educated. No. He was a person where you 00:02:32.860 --> 00:02:36.580 were educated by reading and deep thinking and 00:02:36.580 --> 00:02:40.379 asking questions. And he loved to go out to college 00:02:40.379 --> 00:02:43.719 campuses as he was at the Utah Valley University 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:48.180 campus today, which was quite well attended. 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:53.879 And very, very sadly, he was shot and killed. 00:02:54.750 --> 00:02:58.810 which was quite shocking. He leaves behind a 00:02:58.810 --> 00:03:01.990 wife and a very young family, I think a three 00:03:01.990 --> 00:03:05.110 -year -old and a one -year -old. So it's quite 00:03:05.110 --> 00:03:08.129 sad. As I said, I've been listening to Charlie 00:03:08.129 --> 00:03:10.610 for years, and probably 98 % of the time I'd 00:03:10.610 --> 00:03:12.909 agree with him, and there were a couple of... 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:15.080 A couple of times I'm like, well, I would have 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:17.120 had a different opinion on that. And I would 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:18.560 have loved to have sat down and talked with the 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.319 guy. And I was actually hoping to have met him 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.360 someday at one of our get -togethers, whether 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:27.819 it be NRA or whether it be Second Amendment Foundation 00:03:27.819 --> 00:03:29.620 or one of these other ones that we all go to. 00:03:30.740 --> 00:03:33.680 But, yeah, it's a sad day. And I'm very, very 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:37.280 sad to hear of his passing. So it's a bit of 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:41.719 a damper. We don't want that to necessarily change 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:45.699 our discussion here with Huey and the NRA and 00:03:45.699 --> 00:03:50.139 maybe the restoration of the NRA as it was back 00:03:50.139 --> 00:03:52.580 in our day. I mean, Craig and I have been members 00:03:52.580 --> 00:03:55.060 of the NRA. I think we're endowment members. 00:03:55.180 --> 00:03:57.500 We've been endowment members for probably four 00:03:57.500 --> 00:04:01.139 decades each. So we've got a lot of experience 00:04:01.139 --> 00:04:04.599 with NRA, and we know NRA went kind of south. 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:07.500 for a while and we're really hoping for a restoration. 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:11.120 And what I'm seeing is it is, it is coming back. 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:13.800 So I guess with that, Craig, you want to say 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:17.000 anything else before we let Huey talk a little 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.000 bit? Well, I'm going to tee this up for Huey 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.720 because you kind of touched on it, Ken, with 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:25.079 a person like Charlie who would invite, you said 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:27.800 you disagree with them, you know, 2 % of the 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:32.040 time, right? That being the case, you know, he 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:33.839 would have invited you to the microphone to have 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.980 that conversation. And I know that there's been 00:04:36.980 --> 00:04:39.199 a lot of, even within the NRA, there's been a 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.779 lot of strife and disagreements. And I think 00:04:41.779 --> 00:04:45.879 as a community, and Huey, like I said, I'm teeing 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:49.379 this up for you. There are a lot of people within 00:04:49.379 --> 00:04:52.879 the organization who, if you don't believe 100 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:55.800 % exactly what I believe, then I want nothing 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:58.660 to do with you. And I think, and I've observed 00:04:58.660 --> 00:05:01.100 this for a long time, the gun community does 00:05:01.100 --> 00:05:03.889 this to themselves to their own detriment. They 00:05:03.889 --> 00:05:06.170 don't like the people who are the black rifle 00:05:06.170 --> 00:05:08.769 people. The dove hunters want nothing to do with 00:05:08.769 --> 00:05:11.490 them. So you end up with schisms and lack of 00:05:11.490 --> 00:05:15.269 support. And if I'm a revolver guy and you're 00:05:15.269 --> 00:05:18.029 a semi -auto guy, I mean, I think sometimes it 00:05:18.029 --> 00:05:20.829 even comes down to things as petty as that. And 00:05:20.829 --> 00:05:26.089 this guy today decided to, weirdly, tried to 00:05:26.089 --> 00:05:28.089 end the life of a person who would have invited 00:05:28.089 --> 00:05:29.750 him right up to the microphone, probably put 00:05:29.750 --> 00:05:33.959 him first in line. Absolutely. And so Huey, You 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.660 are going into an environment as a young man, 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:38.240 and I want you to go through a little bit of 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:40.639 your bio and your background as you sent to us 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:44.699 before we had the show arranged. And tell us 00:05:44.699 --> 00:05:48.360 why a person like you would jump into an arena 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:52.420 that's this caustic and this toxic and expose 00:05:52.420 --> 00:05:55.300 yourself to this. So the floor is yours, Huey. 00:05:55.540 --> 00:05:59.240 Thank you, Craig. I really appreciate it. I appreciate 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:03.379 you having me on the show today. Absolutely devastated 00:06:03.379 --> 00:06:07.259 to have learned of the great Charlie Kirk's assassination 00:06:07.259 --> 00:06:13.439 earlier today, September 10th. Charlie was a 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.879 true patriot whose legacy will have a profound 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:19.459 positive impact on our culture and our politics 00:06:19.459 --> 00:06:23.379 for generations to come. And you asked me why 00:06:23.379 --> 00:06:28.920 I would put myself into. this world of politics 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.759 as a young man. And I'll tell you, Charlie Kirk 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.040 has been a massive, a huge inspiration for me 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:41.139 for a long time. You mentioned too that he wasn't 00:06:41.139 --> 00:06:43.000 the type to think that you needed to have a fancy 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:47.319 college degree or any fancy credentials to be 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:50.000 part of the fight and to make an impact. And 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:55.480 a fun fact is that I, like Charlie, am a college 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.810 dropout. Nonetheless, I have gotten into the 00:06:59.810 --> 00:07:03.069 political fight, very much inspired by Charlie. 00:07:03.189 --> 00:07:06.290 And I was I actually was first introduced to 00:07:06.290 --> 00:07:09.410 Turning Point USA at Pikes Peak Community College 00:07:09.410 --> 00:07:12.129 when I first enrolled. And they had a table set 00:07:12.129 --> 00:07:15.949 up there in the foyer and they had a big sign 00:07:15.949 --> 00:07:19.089 that says big government sucks. And I thought, 00:07:19.230 --> 00:07:21.949 oh, well, I. Thought I was walking onto a college 00:07:21.949 --> 00:07:24.290 campus. This is a little odd. I didn't expect 00:07:24.290 --> 00:07:28.829 to see something I agreed with right away. And 00:07:28.829 --> 00:07:32.970 so I went and talked to the folks at that table, 00:07:33.069 --> 00:07:36.410 and they were really friendly, really knowledgeable, 00:07:36.490 --> 00:07:40.750 and just there to have an open dialogue with 00:07:40.750 --> 00:07:44.850 whoever was willing to talk to them about what 00:07:44.850 --> 00:07:47.370 they thought was right, you know, talking about 00:07:47.370 --> 00:07:49.990 family values, talking about limited government. 00:07:50.699 --> 00:07:54.360 all these values that I very much agree with. 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.120 And after that, I went and looked into Turning 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:04.300 Point USA some more. And I really liked what 00:08:04.300 --> 00:08:07.899 I saw. And I learned about Charlie Kirk and realized 00:08:07.899 --> 00:08:13.319 he was a very sharp young man, young like I am, 00:08:13.459 --> 00:08:16.540 and very sharp, very passionate, and really able 00:08:16.540 --> 00:08:20.290 to energize young conservatives like nobody's 00:08:20.290 --> 00:08:23.550 business, like I've never seen before. And so 00:08:23.550 --> 00:08:27.670 I found that really inspiring at the time. And 00:08:27.670 --> 00:08:31.990 this was in 2020. So fast forward a few months, 00:08:32.129 --> 00:08:36.950 COVID happens, and I am in college pursuing a 00:08:36.950 --> 00:08:39.750 nursing degree and working at a nursing home. 00:08:40.730 --> 00:08:43.509 And that's when all of these lockdowns happened. 00:08:43.649 --> 00:08:46.990 That's when they were talking about vaccine mandates 00:08:46.990 --> 00:08:51.250 for this new vaccine that just came onto the 00:08:51.250 --> 00:08:53.649 market. And they were talking about mandating 00:08:53.649 --> 00:08:57.190 it. And there was all of these infringements 00:08:57.190 --> 00:08:59.009 on our civil liberties that were either being 00:08:59.009 --> 00:09:01.809 floated as ideas or being executed on on the 00:09:01.809 --> 00:09:05.549 state or national level. And working in the nursing 00:09:05.549 --> 00:09:08.730 home, pursuing a nursing degree, I watched people 00:09:08.730 --> 00:09:12.700 die. without the opportunity to have their loved 00:09:12.700 --> 00:09:17.720 ones there with them and i just it terrified 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.879 me what was happening to our country at that 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.980 time and i just i made a decision that i was 00:09:24.980 --> 00:09:29.039 going to get involved in the fight and at the 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:31.779 same time i came to the conclusion that nursing 00:09:31.779 --> 00:09:35.299 wasn't the wasn't my calling despite having thought 00:09:35.299 --> 00:09:39.409 that it was And so it was really that year that 00:09:39.409 --> 00:09:42.970 was the turning point for me that I realized 00:09:42.970 --> 00:09:46.570 our civil liberties were just being eroded slowly 00:09:46.570 --> 00:09:50.169 and something had to be done about it. And young 00:09:50.169 --> 00:09:53.840 people like myself had to get in the fight. if 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:56.480 we want to preserve the freedoms that we've enjoyed 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:59.899 for the next generation. And Charlie Kirk was 00:09:59.899 --> 00:10:03.019 a huge inspiration for me. Seeing another young 00:10:03.019 --> 00:10:07.279 man like me out there already doing that, it 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:11.799 really gave me a lot of courage to go down a 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:15.200 similar path. So it's a terribly devastating 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:19.480 news that we've heard today of Charlie Kirk's 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:24.009 assassination. of all the wonderful things that 00:10:24.009 --> 00:10:27.669 can be said about charlie most importantly he 00:10:27.669 --> 00:10:30.909 was a loving husband and father of two young 00:10:30.909 --> 00:10:35.990 children and my heart aches so badly i am also 00:10:35.990 --> 00:10:40.110 a father of two young children and and a husband 00:10:40.110 --> 00:10:45.759 and i just cannot even imagine what his wife 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:48.159 and two children are going through and are going 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.360 to be going through for the foreseeable future. 00:10:50.419 --> 00:10:55.000 It's just absolutely horrific. Well, I will tell 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.080 you, you're right. You can't imagine it, and 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.740 nor should you try because you can't get there. 00:11:00.220 --> 00:11:02.700 You know, the best thing you can do is offer 00:11:02.700 --> 00:11:06.240 your prayers and try to live by his example and 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:10.019 continue to use his name so that his legacy goes 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:13.360 on. Before we started the recording, I had brought 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.240 up you know, the idea that, well, let's talk 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.679 about your background a little bit. When you 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:21.720 talked about the infringement on civil liberties, 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.559 were you talking about the state that you're 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:26.600 in, or were you talking about on the federal 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:31.320 side, or did you mean both? Because you come, 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:34.919 listeners, he comes from a state that's not necessarily 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.919 the friendliest to our Second Amendment rights. 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:41.759 So go with that a little bit, Huey, please. Yeah, 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:45.850 I mean, Very much the state level. I live in 00:11:45.850 --> 00:11:49.009 Colorado. I was born and raised here. And during 00:11:49.009 --> 00:11:54.210 COVID, we were a total lockdown state. And then 00:11:54.210 --> 00:11:58.309 when we weren't completely locked down, you could 00:11:58.309 --> 00:12:01.950 not enter any business without being forced to 00:12:01.950 --> 00:12:04.629 have a mask on your face, anything like that. 00:12:04.789 --> 00:12:09.730 So it was. It was a particularly bad time for 00:12:09.730 --> 00:12:14.429 freedom in Colorado during COVID in 2020. Fast 00:12:14.429 --> 00:12:19.110 forward a few years, now we have a legislature 00:12:19.110 --> 00:12:23.570 that has just been on an aggressive onslaught 00:12:23.570 --> 00:12:25.590 against our Second Amendment rights over the 00:12:25.590 --> 00:12:30.210 past several years, really starting back in 2012 00:12:30.210 --> 00:12:34.259 when Bloomberg came into the state and dumped 00:12:34.259 --> 00:12:38.460 millions of dollars into to get a magazine, quote 00:12:38.460 --> 00:12:41.860 unquote, high capacity magazine ban passed, which 00:12:41.860 --> 00:12:46.879 which is now law in Colorado. Since then, we've 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.279 seen multiple attempts at assault weapons bans 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:53.980 where they've defined assault weapons so broadly 00:12:53.980 --> 00:12:59.460 to even include many common handguns. And we've 00:12:59.460 --> 00:13:03.379 seen we've seen. age increases to purchase rifles 00:13:03.379 --> 00:13:07.919 and shotguns from 18 to 21 years old. We've seen 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:12.960 those same age increases on ammunition for those 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:17.059 firearms. So in Colorado, if you're an adult 00:13:17.059 --> 00:13:20.279 between the age of 18 and 20, you could have 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:23.620 a family. You could be a head of household who 00:13:23.620 --> 00:13:28.200 has a family to provide for and to protect and 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:30.440 the government is not going to guarantee their 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:32.580 safety but they will guarantee that you're not 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:35.600 allowed to have a gun and that's that's a horrible 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:39.279 thing earlier this year we had another attempt 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.200 of assault weapons ban it was ultimately amended 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:47.470 down it was ultimately amended into really transformed 00:13:47.470 --> 00:13:51.070 via amendments on the Senate floor during second 00:13:51.070 --> 00:13:55.909 reading from an assault weapons ban into a permit 00:13:55.909 --> 00:14:00.970 to purchase regime, vast swath of common semi 00:14:00.970 --> 00:14:05.269 -automatic firearms are effectively outlawed. 00:14:05.269 --> 00:14:07.929 The manufacture, sale, and transfer of these 00:14:07.929 --> 00:14:13.440 firearms is effectively outlawed unless A prospective 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.299 buyer of one of these firearms goes through an 00:14:16.299 --> 00:14:21.039 onerous permit to purchase scheme where first 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:25.480 they have to go to their county sheriff and take 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:29.779 a background check and get the sheriff's discretionary 00:14:29.779 --> 00:14:34.340 approval for a permission card. And this permission 00:14:34.340 --> 00:14:38.100 card does not give you the permission to purchase 00:14:38.100 --> 00:14:41.200 a firearm. It just gives you permission to go 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.200 and take a training course, a mandated 12 -hour 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:47.279 training course that has to happen over the course 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:50.379 of at least two days. And you'll pay a fee for 00:14:50.379 --> 00:14:52.860 that in addition to the fees that you paid at 00:14:52.860 --> 00:14:54.879 the sheriff's office for the sheriff's time as 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.139 well as the background check. Then you will be 00:14:58.139 --> 00:15:03.840 required to take a written exam on the contents 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:08.899 of the training course and score. at least 90 00:15:08.899 --> 00:15:13.879 on that then the information from your permission 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.919 card having completed the training course so 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.080 your name and on the other requisite information 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.240 about you will be uploaded to a database of people 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.100 who are approved to purchase semi -automatic 00:15:27.100 --> 00:15:31.059 firearms so not only does it bury your Second 00:15:31.059 --> 00:15:33.600 Amendment rights under a whole bunch of fees 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:37.000 and bureaucratic hurdles, but it also creates 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:41.379 a database of people at least interested in purchasing 00:15:41.379 --> 00:15:43.840 semi -automatic firearms. But I'll tell you what, 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.419 nobody's going to go through all of these chutes 00:15:46.419 --> 00:15:50.179 and ladders to not buy a semi -automatic firearm. 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:54.179 So this creates a state -run list of gun owners 00:15:54.179 --> 00:15:58.519 in the state of Colorado. We filed a lawsuit 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:00.539 against this measure. It's called Senate Bill 00:16:00.539 --> 00:16:07.799 25 -003. It tells who we is. So I'm the executive 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:10.539 director of the Colorado State Shooting Association. 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.679 That is the official state association of the 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:18.779 NRA in Colorado. And so we are autonomous from 00:16:18.779 --> 00:16:20.919 the NRA. We have our own board of directors. 00:16:21.059 --> 00:16:25.620 We do virtually all of our own fundraising. But 00:16:25.620 --> 00:16:28.799 it is our mission to carry out the mission of 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:33.360 the NRA on the state level in Colorado. And so 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.460 in accordance with that mission, on September 00:16:37.460 --> 00:16:42.299 2nd, we filed a lawsuit against Senate Bill 25 00:16:42.299 --> 00:16:46.659 -003, challenging its constitutionality and seeking 00:16:46.659 --> 00:16:49.519 to have it struck down. Did you get an injunction? 00:16:49.899 --> 00:16:53.779 We are not going for a preliminary injunction. 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:56.899 I don't want to get too far into the weeds of 00:16:56.899 --> 00:16:59.120 our legal strategy because I am not a lawyer. 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.659 However, we are not going for a preliminary injunction. 00:17:03.700 --> 00:17:07.279 We are going for declaratory relief, essentially 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:12.680 saying an ultimate ruling that this law is unconstitutional 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.480 and cannot stand. I have to give you a compliment 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:19.619 here, Huey, because you said that when you started 00:17:19.619 --> 00:17:21.829 in nursing, which... is not the easiest thing 00:17:21.829 --> 00:17:25.049 to do on a personal or professional level and 00:17:25.049 --> 00:17:27.869 then you started nursing homes which makes it 00:17:27.869 --> 00:17:30.410 like four times worse i think that now you've 00:17:30.410 --> 00:17:32.430 put yourself in an arena where you also have 00:17:32.430 --> 00:17:36.390 have a tremendous amount of patience and let's 00:17:36.390 --> 00:17:38.710 say you have to be magnanimous to a degree to 00:17:38.710 --> 00:17:41.690 survive mentally i think in this space that you've 00:17:41.690 --> 00:17:44.210 put yourself in because at your age and how old 00:17:44.210 --> 00:17:48.190 are you sir i'm 25 years old yeah and i mean 00:17:48.670 --> 00:17:51.009 I'm already sort of sitting here in awe of you 00:17:51.009 --> 00:17:54.970 that you can be this articulate and already be 00:17:54.970 --> 00:17:57.490 in the position that you're at at the state level. 00:17:57.809 --> 00:18:00.190 I think that there's a very bright future for 00:18:00.190 --> 00:18:03.150 you. I do kind of want to roll back a little 00:18:03.150 --> 00:18:07.609 bit to, you know, Charlie Kirk died for his convictions. 00:18:08.029 --> 00:18:11.710 I mean, he didn't plan to die today, but I think 00:18:11.710 --> 00:18:13.609 he always knew that there was risks. He probably 00:18:13.609 --> 00:18:17.869 had threats against him all the time. Do you 00:18:17.869 --> 00:18:20.849 worry about the position that you've put yourself 00:18:20.849 --> 00:18:24.609 in, either in terms of your future professional 00:18:24.609 --> 00:18:29.069 capabilities, your safety or anything else? Because, 00:18:29.150 --> 00:18:31.769 you know, your name is out there and this is 00:18:31.769 --> 00:18:34.609 a war, right? Not a shooting war. Well, maybe 00:18:34.609 --> 00:18:38.509 it is a shooting war as of today. And it has 00:18:38.509 --> 00:18:41.549 been in the past. But, you know, while this is 00:18:41.549 --> 00:18:45.559 not technically a political show. It sure seems 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:47.839 that one party is the one who keeps doing the 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:51.799 shooting and the other one doesn't. And I just 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.460 kind of want to get your take on, you know, what 00:18:54.460 --> 00:18:57.740 does your wife think about this? What do you 00:18:57.740 --> 00:19:02.279 worry? What keeps you up at night? Well, I'll 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:06.180 tell you what, this incident, this tragedy today, 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:12.250 it raises a lot of alarms for me. It is a stark 00:19:12.250 --> 00:19:15.869 reminder of the reality that there are people 00:19:15.869 --> 00:19:20.230 out there who are so vehemently opposed to all 00:19:20.230 --> 00:19:23.390 that is good, true and beautiful that they are 00:19:23.390 --> 00:19:28.210 willing to murder in cold blood anybody who is 00:19:28.210 --> 00:19:32.700 effective at advancing the cause for. for that 00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:34.539 which is good true and beautiful because that's 00:19:34.539 --> 00:19:38.039 what charlie kirk did and that's why he was killed 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:41.660 and it it really is a stark reminder so long 00:19:41.660 --> 00:19:46.380 as i continue trying to do like charlie and spread 00:19:46.380 --> 00:19:49.160 and advance the good true and beautiful in our 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:53.339 culture and in our politics uh there there could 00:19:53.339 --> 00:19:55.859 potentially always be a target on my back and 00:19:55.859 --> 00:19:58.859 that is not something that i am willing to back 00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:01.890 down from i know that charlie kirk Today, if 00:20:01.890 --> 00:20:04.109 he could have, he would have stood back up just 00:20:04.109 --> 00:20:07.009 like President Trump did and said, fight, fight, 00:20:07.089 --> 00:20:11.150 fight. Mm hmm. If he could have. So his movement 00:20:11.150 --> 00:20:13.190 will have to do that. We'll have to say it for 00:20:13.190 --> 00:20:16.890 him. I'll recommend a book to you. Charlton Heston, 00:20:17.029 --> 00:20:20.950 previous NRA president, wrote a book called In 00:20:20.950 --> 00:20:25.019 the Arena. And it has a lot about. the types 00:20:25.019 --> 00:20:28.940 of things that you will encounter or suffer through 00:20:28.940 --> 00:20:31.859 when you put yourself out there, when you're 00:20:31.859 --> 00:20:35.720 in the arena. And no, we need people to be out 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:39.480 there in the arena advocating for the truth, 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:42.640 advocating for a restoration of the rights which 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:46.220 have been eroded away from us. so yeah it is 00:20:46.220 --> 00:20:49.619 a long fight uh but one which i actually think 00:20:49.619 --> 00:20:52.039 the tide has turned in many ways particularly 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:55.140 from a constitutional perspective on the supreme 00:20:55.140 --> 00:20:58.339 court so i have a lot of hope going forward so 00:20:58.339 --> 00:21:00.880 ken you kind of brought up something that i think 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.660 huey can weigh in on here because looking at 00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:06.940 his platform and priorities document you huey 00:21:06.940 --> 00:21:11.319 talk a lot about the local uh issues and i think 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:16.089 that really the nra and perhaps for justifiable 00:21:16.089 --> 00:21:19.769 reasons, but has been largely deficient or absent 00:21:19.769 --> 00:21:23.109 from the local fight. And that's where, you know, 00:21:23.130 --> 00:21:25.730 they say that all politics is local. You've heard 00:21:25.730 --> 00:21:29.289 that term before, that if you can't fix your 00:21:29.289 --> 00:21:32.269 city council, if you can't fix your school board, 00:21:32.410 --> 00:21:35.869 if you can't fix, you know, the mayor or something 00:21:35.869 --> 00:21:39.509 like that, then you're already on the back foot. 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:43.359 let alone fighting the state and federal level 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:48.119 things. And I think that maybe the ability for 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:51.500 people to see with short attention spans what's 00:21:51.500 --> 00:21:55.539 going on maybe causes them to focus on the national 00:21:55.539 --> 00:21:58.059 level stuff. But you've made a point of saying 00:21:58.059 --> 00:22:01.779 that you need the NRA to be more of a local organization. 00:22:02.099 --> 00:22:04.180 And maybe you can speak to that a little bit 00:22:04.180 --> 00:22:08.720 as well. Yeah, absolutely. It's true. You get 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:10.819 a lot more click -baity headlines about what's 00:22:10.819 --> 00:22:14.200 going on in national politics. And of course, 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:19.420 from the NRA's perspective, there's a much larger 00:22:19.420 --> 00:22:23.720 audience for national issues than there is for... 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:27.940 state and local level issues. And they have a 00:22:27.940 --> 00:22:31.519 national responsibility to all 50 states of the 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:33.460 United States of America and defending the gun 00:22:33.460 --> 00:22:36.160 rights of those people who live in those states. 00:22:36.299 --> 00:22:40.819 And that being said, the major damage to Second 00:22:40.819 --> 00:22:44.440 Amendment rights is pretty much all done at the 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:49.240 local or state level. You saw Obama tried to 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:52.740 get some serious gun control legislation. Wanted 00:22:52.740 --> 00:22:55.579 to. Hardly got anything through, if anything 00:22:55.579 --> 00:23:00.359 at all. Joe Biden hardly achieved anything close 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:04.839 to what his ambitions were in terms of restricting 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:07.660 Second Amendment rights on the federal level. 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:12.119 But here in my own state of Colorado, as of August 00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:16.240 1st of next year, I'm no longer allowed to go 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:19.700 purchase an AR -15. unless i go through all of 00:23:19.700 --> 00:23:22.160 these bureaucratic shoots and ladders and pay 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:24.579 a bunch of fees and commit a bunch of time that 00:23:24.579 --> 00:23:27.779 i could be spending earning a living for my family 00:23:27.779 --> 00:23:31.920 and that's that is some incredible damage to 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:34.940 my second amendment rights and every other coloradan 00:23:34.940 --> 00:23:37.400 second amendment rights and i know colorado is 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.640 not the only state where there is serious damage 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:44.380 being done to their second amendment rights legislatively 00:23:44.380 --> 00:23:48.869 there are some seriously bad gun bills that are 00:23:48.869 --> 00:23:51.750 getting through on the state level in several 00:23:51.750 --> 00:23:54.650 states across the country. And for people who 00:23:54.650 --> 00:23:57.970 may be listening to our podcast who are, you 00:23:57.970 --> 00:24:01.069 know, well, what's wrong with having to go down 00:24:01.069 --> 00:24:03.990 and take a class before you can do that or apply 00:24:03.990 --> 00:24:06.690 for a permit to go and buy something? Can you 00:24:06.690 --> 00:24:09.720 imagine doing that with any other right? So if 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:12.000 you're a religious person and you want to go 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.799 down and buy yourself a copy of the Bible or 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:19.799 you want a Torah or whatever it might be, a Koran 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.099 or whatever, and go, well, you first have to 00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:26.460 go and see the sheriff and you have to be interviewed 00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:29.099 to see whether you're allowed to do that. And 00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:31.380 if so, then you have to go through these things, 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.200 pay money, go to a class. Or if you want to go 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:36.690 out and... For example, tell the government or 00:24:36.690 --> 00:24:39.250 ask the government your grievances, for example, 00:24:39.329 --> 00:24:41.109 freedom of speech. Want to go out there? Oh, 00:24:41.170 --> 00:24:42.789 well, first you have to go to a class. You have 00:24:42.789 --> 00:24:45.329 to go and talk to the sheriff, make sure you 00:24:45.329 --> 00:24:49.309 know what you're doing. Any other right that 00:24:49.309 --> 00:24:52.769 is enumerated in the Bill of Rights, people would 00:24:52.769 --> 00:24:56.329 say, obviously you can't do that. But there seems 00:24:56.329 --> 00:24:58.230 to be a bit of a blind spot for people who are 00:24:58.230 --> 00:25:01.900 not necessarily in the gun. shooting sports or 00:25:01.900 --> 00:25:05.140 whatever, that it's like, well, I guess it's 00:25:05.140 --> 00:25:07.579 okay that you've got to be 21 years old to buy 00:25:07.579 --> 00:25:11.700 a gun or you've got to go down and do all of 00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:15.319 this rigmarole. And they don't realize what an 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:17.680 infringement that is because the Second Amendment 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:21.980 is not a second -class right. It is as important, 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.059 if not really more important, than many other 00:25:25.059 --> 00:25:28.660 rights that are enumerated in the original ten. 00:25:29.180 --> 00:25:31.759 Bill of Rights that was basically signed into 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:38.380 law in 1791. It's true the American public would 00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:41.819 have no tolerance for a permitting regime like 00:25:41.819 --> 00:25:45.380 this for any other of the fundamental rights 00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:48.380 that are enshrined in the Bill of Rights and 00:25:48.380 --> 00:25:53.940 are ultimately given to us by God. That just 00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:56.819 absolutely... would not be the case and you know 00:25:56.819 --> 00:26:00.599 a right delayed is a right denied it's that is 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.759 true and this permit to purchase regime is going 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:09.019 to create still unknown wait times for people 00:26:09.019 --> 00:26:12.039 who want to purchase firearms and there's a lot 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.380 of moving pieces there there are a lot of bureaucrats 00:26:14.380 --> 00:26:17.299 who are involved in the approval of each person 00:26:17.299 --> 00:26:20.079 and it could go on for months especially if there's 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:24.460 a long line to get these through so you you just 00:26:25.130 --> 00:26:27.869 You know, the government basically is telling 00:26:27.869 --> 00:26:32.089 you you can purchase you can basically purchase 00:26:32.089 --> 00:26:35.089 your Second Amendment rights back at some point 00:26:35.089 --> 00:26:39.549 in the future when we can get around to to making 00:26:39.549 --> 00:26:43.710 that transaction with you. So it's clearly unconstitutional. 00:26:44.390 --> 00:26:48.730 New Mexico's seven day waiting period to obtain 00:26:48.730 --> 00:26:50.450 a firearm that you've purchased was actually 00:26:50.450 --> 00:26:53.470 just struck down in the Tenth Circuit, which 00:26:53.470 --> 00:26:57.119 is the same. Circuit Federal Circuit Court of 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:01.500 Appeals that Colorado is in. And that lawsuit 00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:06.019 was actually litigated by the same team that 00:27:06.019 --> 00:27:08.640 we have hired to represent us in our lawsuit 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:13.299 against Senate Bill 25 -003, which is the Mountain 00:27:13.299 --> 00:27:16.799 States Legal Foundation's center to keep and 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:21.740 bear arms. So Charlie Kirk's assassin. was, I 00:27:21.740 --> 00:27:25.779 am guessing, a product of bad parenting, a product 00:27:25.779 --> 00:27:30.599 of a set of, let's say, an abdication of values, 00:27:30.819 --> 00:27:33.460 because a person with values wouldn't have done 00:27:33.460 --> 00:27:37.660 that. You mentioned in your platform and priorities 00:27:37.660 --> 00:27:40.720 that you don't have to just win the hearts and 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:44.019 minds of the NRA membership. That's functionally 00:27:44.019 --> 00:27:46.700 important for you to get elected. But ultimately, 00:27:47.450 --> 00:27:49.349 to be effective you have to win the hearts and 00:27:49.349 --> 00:27:52.730 minds of the general population against the backdrop 00:27:52.730 --> 00:27:55.650 of particularly the state you live in uh and 00:27:55.650 --> 00:27:57.890 when we're in california so we face you know 00:27:57.890 --> 00:28:00.250 similar uh issues new mexico as you mentioned 00:28:00.250 --> 00:28:03.529 does new jersey illinois many other places you 00:28:03.529 --> 00:28:05.470 know face these issues related to the second 00:28:05.470 --> 00:28:09.750 amendment but if the people don't understand 00:28:09.750 --> 00:28:13.769 the purpose of the constitution the founders 00:28:13.769 --> 00:28:19.000 intent and don't understand the value of what 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.059 they're marginalizing by saying, well, we like 00:28:22.059 --> 00:28:23.579 these other rights, but we don't think you should 00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:30.740 have a gun. What is your plan, Huey, to win the 00:28:30.740 --> 00:28:32.240 hearts and minds of those people and convert 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:36.519 them? At least if maybe they're not become NRA 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:39.400 members, but they're not out marching the street 00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:42.380 against you either. Well, I think that it's important 00:28:42.380 --> 00:28:47.109 to demonstrate the power. of the self -defense 00:28:47.109 --> 00:28:51.210 power that is that we have in the second amendment 00:28:51.210 --> 00:28:55.430 and in being able to arm ourselves and and use 00:28:55.430 --> 00:28:58.369 those arms to defend ourselves if need be i think 00:28:58.369 --> 00:29:01.950 it's very really important to reach out to uh 00:29:01.950 --> 00:29:05.930 to segments of the population like young women 00:29:05.930 --> 00:29:09.869 are a great example of this uh firearms are the 00:29:09.869 --> 00:29:12.930 great equalizer there are young women and many 00:29:12.930 --> 00:29:16.309 more of them are pursuing careers today than 00:29:16.309 --> 00:29:20.309 in generations past and they're living in these 00:29:20.309 --> 00:29:23.529 big cities and in whatever apartment they can 00:29:23.529 --> 00:29:26.109 afford and having to take public transportation 00:29:26.109 --> 00:29:30.730 to get to work and you see terrible incidents 00:29:30.730 --> 00:29:33.450 like we saw in north carolina just the other 00:29:33.450 --> 00:29:37.930 day uh where violent attacks on public transit 00:29:37.930 --> 00:29:42.950 for example increasingly common and people are 00:29:42.950 --> 00:29:46.190 being murdered just trying to get to work or 00:29:46.190 --> 00:29:49.250 get back home from work, just like this gal in 00:29:49.250 --> 00:29:54.130 North Carolina was. And of course, if a young 00:29:54.130 --> 00:29:59.509 woman is attacked by a much larger man, she's 00:29:59.509 --> 00:30:02.369 probably not going to knock him out if she throws 00:30:02.369 --> 00:30:05.869 a punch. He's definitely most likely much stronger 00:30:05.869 --> 00:30:09.950 than her. But if she has a firearm, she does 00:30:09.950 --> 00:30:13.880 have a chance of winning that fight. And I think 00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.619 it's important to highlight to young women that 00:30:17.619 --> 00:30:20.519 this is the great equalizer. This gives you the 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:24.839 ability to defend yourself in a world where half 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:28.259 of the population just is stronger than you and 00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:31.519 could be evil. We have a group here in San Diego 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.109 that... I'm a member of San Diego County Gun 00:30:34.109 --> 00:30:38.509 Owners, and we've done a lot for advancing the 00:30:38.509 --> 00:30:41.269 Second Amendment here in San Diego as well as 00:30:41.269 --> 00:30:43.769 California -wide. We're actually even referenced 00:30:43.769 --> 00:30:45.390 by the United States Supreme Court as being a 00:30:45.390 --> 00:30:49.990 very good role model. Anyway, we have several 00:30:49.990 --> 00:30:53.490 programs. We have shooting socials, and we also 00:30:53.490 --> 00:30:56.710 have one called Not Me SD, which is for basically 00:30:56.710 --> 00:30:58.990 women shooters and just for women shooters to 00:30:58.990 --> 00:31:02.279 show up. want a firearm for self -protection. 00:31:02.539 --> 00:31:04.740 They might be the first time they've ever fired 00:31:04.740 --> 00:31:07.039 a gun, so they're going to come out, and it's 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.359 all with other women, because that's always the 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:13.019 dynamic. Men teaching women, well, you're married, 00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.359 you may know about that. I'm married, I know 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.180 about that. Oftentimes, a man is not necessarily 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:20.220 the best person to teach a woman, so women teaching 00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:24.259 women on firearm safety and shooting sports. 00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:27.779 And some of those individuals, they've even been 00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:32.119 given gifts of firearms that they can have registered 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:35.819 to them. If they're in need of a firearm to protect 00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:38.839 themselves against an abusive spouse or an abusive 00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:40.799 boyfriend or they're being stalked or something 00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:42.880 like that, they don't necessarily have the financial 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.819 resources. San Diego County gun owners, not me, 00:31:45.859 --> 00:31:50.759 SD, has been known to help them purchase, get 00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:52.759 registered and get their concealed carry weapons 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.460 permit and get that all expedited through the 00:31:55.460 --> 00:31:58.119 San Diego County sheriffs so that that individual 00:31:58.220 --> 00:32:02.700 can be safe, as safe as they can be, barring 00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:05.059 having their own Secret Service protection detail. 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.400 Well, I want to go back to what you mentioned 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.099 about Irina Zaruska. I hope I didn't butcher 00:32:13.099 --> 00:32:17.099 her name. The unfortunate young woman who was 00:32:17.099 --> 00:32:20.799 seeking freedom and safety from a war zone, and 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.099 she comes here and ends up dead. I don't know 00:32:24.099 --> 00:32:27.259 that in her case... a gun on her would have mattered. 00:32:27.380 --> 00:32:29.799 She didn't anticipate the attack. She had no 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.319 reason to anticipate the attack. Yeah, and the 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.119 other person was behind her. But to your point, 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:38.839 Huey, no one else on that train took action. 00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:41.539 I don't know whether their public transportation 00:32:41.539 --> 00:32:47.400 system is a gun -free zone. But the fear, arguably 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.180 that guy's mentally incapable of maybe experiencing 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:54.220 fear anyway. That's a separate topic. That doesn't 00:32:54.220 --> 00:32:56.299 mean that he shouldn't be punished, not saying 00:32:56.299 --> 00:32:59.039 that in the least. But for your average criminal 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.980 who can experience fear, if he thinks that two, 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.779 three other people on that train are armed and 00:33:05.779 --> 00:33:08.660 will drop him in his tracks for doing what he 00:33:08.660 --> 00:33:12.319 did, maybe that doesn't happen in that environment, 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.500 in that place at that time. But he gets up and 00:33:15.500 --> 00:33:17.900 walks out, and everyone looks at him. And I guess, 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.339 I could be wrong on this, but I think the woman 00:33:20.339 --> 00:33:22.559 sitting on the left, as you look at the camera 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.640 image, is a judge. Really? Yes, that's something 00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:29.519 I saw this morning. I could be wrong about that, 00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:34.079 but I believe she is a judge. And how do we handle 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.099 that situation to get people to not only understand 00:33:37.099 --> 00:33:40.119 the right, Huey, but to exercise the right for 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.869 the benefit of the larger public? Yeah. You have 00:33:43.869 --> 00:33:47.250 a certain degree of responsibility to your fellow 00:33:47.250 --> 00:33:51.309 neighbor, you know, as a good upstanding citizen. 00:33:51.529 --> 00:33:55.089 Go ahead, Huey. Yeah, well, I think, and this 00:33:55.089 --> 00:34:01.750 is one thing CSSA does, we very often post to 00:34:01.750 --> 00:34:05.430 social media stories of instances where people 00:34:05.430 --> 00:34:08.449 have used a firearm for self -defense and saved. 00:34:08.969 --> 00:34:11.389 perhaps not even just their own lives, but the 00:34:11.389 --> 00:34:13.929 lives of others around them as well. And the 00:34:13.929 --> 00:34:16.010 media, the mainstream media, will never report 00:34:16.010 --> 00:34:20.010 on these incidents. And so I think it's really 00:34:20.010 --> 00:34:22.710 important for us as the pro -Second Amendment 00:34:22.710 --> 00:34:25.710 movement to really emphasize those incidents 00:34:25.710 --> 00:34:29.769 because they happen a lot. And it is compelling 00:34:29.769 --> 00:34:35.210 to see those examples of when somebody Being 00:34:35.210 --> 00:34:39.010 armed and trained with a firearm was the difference 00:34:39.010 --> 00:34:41.909 between life and death. That is very important 00:34:41.909 --> 00:34:45.690 to emphasize. You know, I kind of want to jump 00:34:45.690 --> 00:34:50.590 back a little bit to how do we reach the broader 00:34:50.590 --> 00:34:54.829 population. And the young people, too. How do 00:34:54.829 --> 00:34:58.510 we persuade people that our position, our pro 00:34:58.510 --> 00:35:01.139 -Second Amendment position is... the correct 00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:03.659 one because i don't think we're going to encourage 00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:08.840 anybody to uh go get armed and trained with a 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.780 firearm unless they agree that it's important 00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:16.380 that we have the right to do that you know so 00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:18.960 so we we need to start with changing hearts and 00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:23.320 minds as as you point out is in my uh platform 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:27.940 uh sheet and you know a good example of this 00:35:27.940 --> 00:35:32.559 actually while senate bill 25 -003 the permit 00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:34.940 to purchase regime was working its way through 00:35:34.940 --> 00:35:38.400 the legislature we pulled out all the stops we 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.099 were campaigning heavily in every every vulnerable 00:35:42.099 --> 00:35:47.780 democrats district advocating for a no vote because 00:35:47.780 --> 00:35:50.039 here in colorado the republicans on the state 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.059 level they always vote pro -gun for for the most 00:35:53.059 --> 00:35:56.079 part i mean if you get a bill like a permit to 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.570 purchase regime they As it stands right now, 00:35:59.590 --> 00:36:03.110 they will all vote no on it. So we campaigned 00:36:03.110 --> 00:36:06.489 heavily in these vulnerable Democratic legislative 00:36:06.489 --> 00:36:11.929 districts. And we did see a few of those votes. 00:36:13.329 --> 00:36:15.650 We did see a few of those Democrats vote no, 00:36:15.730 --> 00:36:17.849 but not enough of them to actually kill the bill. 00:36:17.909 --> 00:36:22.170 But one thing that we did to advocate for no 00:36:22.170 --> 00:36:26.539 votes and a veto from Governor Polis. is we put 00:36:26.539 --> 00:36:30.400 together an ad. It's called the defenseless ad. 00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:32.820 And if you want, I can provide a link to put 00:36:32.820 --> 00:36:35.039 in the bio if anybody wants to. Oh, yeah, for 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.059 the show notes, I'd love to have that. Yes, please. 00:36:37.780 --> 00:36:41.679 Absolutely. Great. So it features Cindy Romero. 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:46.000 She was the lady in the Aurora apartment complex 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.980 who got the footage of those Trendyaragua gangsters 00:36:49.980 --> 00:36:54.699 invading. the apartment complex fully armed with 00:36:54.699 --> 00:36:59.900 uh with rifles yes and so that was her footage 00:36:59.900 --> 00:37:05.860 so that and she is a low -income latina and those 00:37:05.860 --> 00:37:08.059 were some low those were low -income apartments 00:37:08.059 --> 00:37:12.019 in aurora the that demographic low -income folks 00:37:12.019 --> 00:37:14.840 who live in low -income areas in cities like 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:19.130 aurora colorado are most vulnerable to being 00:37:19.130 --> 00:37:21.829 victims of violent crime because the crime rates 00:37:21.829 --> 00:37:24.389 in the areas they can afford to live are just 00:37:24.389 --> 00:37:29.690 much, much higher. And Cindy Romero and her husband, 00:37:29.769 --> 00:37:35.250 they are gun owners. And so we put together an 00:37:35.250 --> 00:37:39.090 ad featuring Cindy Romero giving testimony to 00:37:39.090 --> 00:37:44.909 the fact that she can honestly say If she did 00:37:44.909 --> 00:37:48.750 not have the means to defend herself, she likely 00:37:48.750 --> 00:37:52.590 would not have survived the rather calamitous 00:37:52.590 --> 00:37:55.909 situation that she actually went through for 00:37:55.909 --> 00:37:59.710 months with the Trend de Aragua in her apartment 00:37:59.710 --> 00:38:04.889 complex. And so that, I think, is a great example 00:38:04.889 --> 00:38:09.909 of a strategy to change hearts and minds of the 00:38:09.909 --> 00:38:12.880 broader population. You know, the left, they 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:18.159 love to demonize your typical NRA member who's 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:25.940 kind of redneck, has 20 or more guns and is just 00:38:25.940 --> 00:38:29.460 a gun toting right winger. And I, you know, I, 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.219 of course, have nothing wrong with those people. 00:38:31.300 --> 00:38:34.320 I think those people are great. But the left 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:38.579 has really demonized those people. And they, 00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:41.440 to be honest, to the general public are. less 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:44.460 sympathetic than somebody like Cindy Romero, 00:38:44.539 --> 00:38:47.659 who is a low -income Latina who was victimized 00:38:47.659 --> 00:38:51.739 by Trendyaragua gangsters and terrorized by them. 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:55.440 Right. I mean, to take it back to the NRA, so 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.440 you're wanting to get on to the NRA. I mean, 00:38:58.460 --> 00:39:01.239 Craig and I have been... I remember speaking 00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:03.960 with Harlan Carter, which you'd probably have 00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:07.280 to look up. He was like the NRA president back 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.880 in the 70s or something like that. And this is 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.880 when I remember going to NRA conventions and 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.739 speaking with him directly one -on -one and been 00:39:14.739 --> 00:39:16.960 to many of the conventions over the years. And 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:18.559 I've always been kind of saddened by the fact 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.219 that, you know, NRA is a massive organization 00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:25.840 with millions of members, yet oftentimes they're 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.460 not. on the forefront of the litigation that's 00:39:28.460 --> 00:39:30.559 happening across the United States. And I think 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.139 that's starting to change now that Wayne LaPierre 00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:39.340 has left and we're sweeping house. But, I mean, 00:39:39.380 --> 00:39:42.880 NRA, I really want to be back there. I want to 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.079 see them, you know, back on the front lines the 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.119 same way the Second Amendment Foundation is and 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:50.539 many of the other gun rights organizations that 00:39:50.539 --> 00:39:52.920 are out there, you know, fighting the good fight. 00:39:54.190 --> 00:39:56.989 And I'd love to see national reciprocity, for 00:39:56.989 --> 00:39:59.969 example. All of these things which I think would 00:39:59.969 --> 00:40:04.730 help with not only in changing the culture, but 00:40:04.730 --> 00:40:08.929 in making people feel safe about, as a gun owner, 00:40:08.989 --> 00:40:12.920 my rights should not end at the state line. If 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.780 I cross the state line, just because I cross 00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:19.199 the state line, I don't lose my right to freedom 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.739 of speech or to practice a religion of my choice 00:40:22.739 --> 00:40:26.280 or to anything else. But, boy, you can pass the 00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.099 state line and all of a sudden you went from 00:40:28.099 --> 00:40:30.360 being a law -abiding, upstanding citizen to a 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.719 felon. And that type of thing is just onerous. 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:39.000 And I really would love to see the NRA back in 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:44.099 the fight in a major way so that the right is 00:40:44.099 --> 00:40:48.300 recognized universally across all the nations. 00:40:48.500 --> 00:40:49.780 And that's where I would like to see it. And 00:40:49.780 --> 00:40:52.260 is that something that you're going to be hoping 00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:56.860 to push with your candidacy if you're successful? 00:40:57.469 --> 00:41:01.989 Well, he has, yeah, in his paper, you know, item 00:41:01.989 --> 00:41:05.369 number three, attract the next generation of 00:41:05.369 --> 00:41:08.769 NRA members. That's where it starts, because, 00:41:08.809 --> 00:41:10.530 I mean, you know, Ken and I are going to age 00:41:10.530 --> 00:41:12.349 out at some point, and you're still going to 00:41:12.349 --> 00:41:15.449 be here, Huey. I mean, I think, you know, why 00:41:15.449 --> 00:41:16.710 don't you go through those elements, because 00:41:16.710 --> 00:41:18.670 I think it really goes to the important point 00:41:18.670 --> 00:41:21.989 that Ken is making. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so. 00:41:22.670 --> 00:41:25.010 For one thing, I agree with you, Ken. I would 00:41:25.010 --> 00:41:29.190 like to see the NRA just in the fight more. And 00:41:29.190 --> 00:41:31.329 we've seen some positive movement in the right 00:41:31.329 --> 00:41:34.880 direction here. One example is that the NRA is 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:38.719 a co -plaintiff with CSSA on our lawsuit against 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.559 Prop KK in Colorado. That's the new 6 .5 % excise 00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.340 tax on all firearms and ammunition. So I applaud 00:41:46.340 --> 00:41:50.739 the NRA for joining us on that lawsuit, and I'm 00:41:50.739 --> 00:41:52.980 grateful to them for that. I want to see more 00:41:52.980 --> 00:41:57.960 of that out of the NRA. I want to see NRA state 00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:03.349 lobbyists at the Capitol more often. I want action. 00:42:03.469 --> 00:42:08.130 I want them to file lawsuits. I want them to 00:42:08.130 --> 00:42:11.030 organize testimony in the legislatures across 00:42:11.030 --> 00:42:16.389 our country. I want them running public pressure 00:42:16.389 --> 00:42:19.429 campaigns, whether those are petitions or anything 00:42:19.429 --> 00:42:24.829 like that, to perhaps compel politicians to do 00:42:24.829 --> 00:42:27.639 the right thing. if they need to be compelled 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.400 to do that. I would like to see more action. 00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:33.539 And I do think that we are moving in the right 00:42:33.539 --> 00:42:36.579 direction there. But even still, when the NRA 00:42:36.579 --> 00:42:40.599 is fighting, even at the state or local level, 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:43.059 where for gun owners, that's where it matters 00:42:43.059 --> 00:42:45.000 most, because that's where they're most directly 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.639 affected. I think they need to have a better 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:51.400 job at communicating those wins. They need to 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:54.519 do a better job at that, because I don't know 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:56.860 if you guys knew about the NRA being on that 00:42:56.860 --> 00:43:00.119 lawsuit against Colorado's excise tax. We've 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:03.440 got enough problems in California, dude. We're 00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:05.780 always worried about what's going on here. But 00:43:05.780 --> 00:43:08.199 how do you articulate this problem and make it 00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:11.860 actionable for young people? I mean, you're young. 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.800 You don't need any convincing. But you've got 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.539 a whole generation of people who didn't grow 00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:21.980 up shooting a daisy red rider in the backyard. 00:43:22.940 --> 00:43:26.800 So don't necessarily have that culture. You have 00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:29.699 some of these items listed here. How are you 00:43:29.699 --> 00:43:32.500 going to fix that for getting young people attracted? 00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:34.559 Let me give you a little example here, too. I 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.400 know the demographic of our audience, it's older 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.760 people like me. The penetration that we have 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:45.780 into the younger market for this podcast is pretty 00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:50.219 scant. You know, that bothers me because I haven't 00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:52.599 cracked the nut yet on how to get the young people 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.239 to listen. I'll tell you that when it comes to 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.079 young gun owners who are already sold on the 00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.519 Second Amendment, they want to see more aggressive 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.880 action from the NRA, just like I want to see 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.820 more aggressive action from the NRA. And they 00:44:05.820 --> 00:44:09.599 they want the NRA to take an uncompromising position 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.860 on the Second Amendment. And then, you know. 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:15.900 For the general public, for the general population 00:44:15.900 --> 00:44:19.940 of young people, they really need a strong marketing 00:44:19.940 --> 00:44:23.400 plan and they need a better social media presence. 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:28.400 You know, PragerU is a great example of an organization 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.460 that has changed the hearts and minds of millions 00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:35.659 of young people around the world. All kinds of 00:44:35.659 --> 00:44:42.440 these short five -minute videos explaining conservative 00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:46.460 principles, just American values. Like I said, 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:47.820 the good, the true and the beautiful, because 00:44:47.820 --> 00:44:50.179 that's my political ideology. I believe in the 00:44:50.179 --> 00:44:52.579 good, the true and the beautiful. And what I 00:44:52.579 --> 00:44:56.280 see PragerU doing is making these short five 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.219 minute videos that are easily digestible, easy 00:44:59.219 --> 00:45:04.300 to understand, entertaining. and edifying. So 00:45:04.300 --> 00:45:07.260 you're getting valuable information from it that 00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:09.460 you can actually understand and you're having 00:45:09.460 --> 00:45:13.260 a good time doing it. And that approach has been 00:45:13.260 --> 00:45:16.199 extremely successful for PragerU's mission of 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:18.360 changing hearts and minds. And I think that it 00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:21.280 could be equally successful for the NRA. They 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:26.639 need to use memes. The memes are the... language 00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:30.420 of social media and therefore Gen Z. So it's 00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:34.320 going to be a combination of content that is 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:38.340 a combination of informational, persuasive, and 00:45:38.340 --> 00:45:41.480 entertaining. But the entertaining part is the 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.719 most important part. I mean, that's the operative 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:48.239 word in this context is the entertaining part 00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:51.860 because my generation have very short attention 00:45:51.860 --> 00:45:53.980 spans. We have the shortest attention spans. 00:45:54.940 --> 00:45:58.920 in history. So you really have to get our attention 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:03.500 within the first second of something that you 00:46:03.500 --> 00:46:06.739 put out there if you want us to pay attention 00:46:06.739 --> 00:46:10.820 to it. And memes are very good at doing that. 00:46:10.940 --> 00:46:13.420 If you can make somebody laugh, then they will 00:46:13.420 --> 00:46:17.469 give you the time of day to... to provide them 00:46:17.469 --> 00:46:19.369 with whatever information it is that you're trying 00:46:19.369 --> 00:46:22.730 to convey to them another great example of this 00:46:22.730 --> 00:46:26.110 is the firearms policy coalition they are putting 00:46:26.110 --> 00:46:30.250 out as as some in my generation would say fire 00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:34.670 memes on the daily and it has generated this 00:46:34.670 --> 00:46:38.530 energy around them especially with younger gun 00:46:38.530 --> 00:46:42.449 owners that i've not seen any other to a pro 00:46:42.449 --> 00:46:46.130 -Second Amendment organization achieve in my 00:46:46.130 --> 00:46:50.150 lifetime. Yeah, they say that FPC is, I think, 00:46:50.170 --> 00:46:52.570 the organization that you call when you absolutely 00:46:52.570 --> 00:46:56.010 positively need to sue somebody because they're 00:46:56.010 --> 00:46:58.829 extremely aggressive and they're very proud of 00:46:58.829 --> 00:47:01.510 their aggression in that regard as well. But 00:47:01.510 --> 00:47:05.429 right now, the composition of the NRA board doesn't 00:47:05.429 --> 00:47:08.340 support... carrying the message the way you see 00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:11.039 that it's necessary, right? I mean, it's a bunch 00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.900 of old guys or a bunch of old women who, you 00:47:13.900 --> 00:47:17.400 know, no disrespect to Amanda, who we had on 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:21.280 our previous episode, but at the same time, maybe 00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.099 they don't understand or appreciate because they 00:47:24.099 --> 00:47:26.539 didn't grow up with the tools that you're talking 00:47:26.539 --> 00:47:29.860 about. Do you think you can wrap people into 00:47:29.860 --> 00:47:31.980 that coalition and bring them on board and get 00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:34.920 them to articulate that? And by the way, you 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.869 know, This all revolves around money. And as 00:47:38.869 --> 00:47:42.329 frugal firearms, right, the basis for the show, 00:47:42.409 --> 00:47:45.389 and we mentioned it up front, is what do I spend 00:47:45.389 --> 00:47:48.510 my money on? Where do I get the best value? And 00:47:48.510 --> 00:47:50.789 maybe you could touch on just for a second why 00:47:50.789 --> 00:47:52.929 young people would want to take their money, 00:47:52.969 --> 00:47:54.909 which they may not have very much of it saved, 00:47:55.030 --> 00:47:58.670 and join and, you know, get on the board or not 00:47:58.670 --> 00:48:00.570 get on the board, but just get on the membership 00:48:00.570 --> 00:48:03.869 roles at whatever level. What's the value in 00:48:03.869 --> 00:48:06.539 it for them? Well, I'd say that there's a lack 00:48:06.539 --> 00:48:10.059 of value in it for them right now as the NRA 00:48:10.059 --> 00:48:14.280 stands. And that's a major reason why we have 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.320 this problem of young people are not joining 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:19.840 the NRA. And that's because the NRA has not provided 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.840 value to young people. And that's a lot of what 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:25.920 I'm talking about with the social media presence 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.559 and getting content out there regularly that 00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:33.559 entertains them, grabs their attention. providing 00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:38.519 the value then up front, and then you can pitch 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:42.559 them on even greater value if they become a member. 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:47.840 Exclusive content available only in, say, a member's 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.900 exclusive digital app that's on their phone, 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.519 where they spend so much of their time. And if 00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:57.860 they are already gun owners, perhaps that means... 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.619 Access to discounts at their local gun stores 00:49:00.619 --> 00:49:06.719 or gun ranges. Opportunities for training for 00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.340 young women, for example, or anything like that. 00:49:09.699 --> 00:49:14.480 I think really focusing in on examples like that 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:18.840 of ways that you can provide value to young people 00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:22.380 up front to attract them and then provide even 00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:25.619 greater value should they become a member of 00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:29.329 the NRA. The TikTok generation. That's right. 00:49:29.670 --> 00:49:32.230 That's exactly right. Yeah. We need to be thinking 00:49:32.230 --> 00:49:35.530 in terms of TikTok. That's how TikTok operates. 00:49:35.710 --> 00:49:39.429 You scroll through it. You just pull it up. There's 00:49:39.429 --> 00:49:42.750 a video. You scroll down. It goes to the next 00:49:42.750 --> 00:49:44.590 video and the next video and the next video and 00:49:44.590 --> 00:49:46.789 the next video. And to be honest with you, I 00:49:46.789 --> 00:49:49.309 don't spend a ton of my own time on TikTok, but 00:49:49.309 --> 00:49:52.550 my wife spends a lot of time on TikTok and I 00:49:52.550 --> 00:49:55.369 watch her and she basically just scrolls right 00:49:55.369 --> 00:50:00.719 past. 98 % of the videos that she sees while 00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:04.539 she's scrolling. And it's always something that 00:50:04.539 --> 00:50:08.880 either is entertaining or funny or especially 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.880 edifying right up front in that first second 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.519 of the video that she'll actually give it a chance. 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.960 Or anybody else that I've seen scrolling through 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:19.340 TikTok that's of my generation, it's that sort 00:50:19.340 --> 00:50:22.559 of thing. That is a challenge, particularly for 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.539 me. I hate to say it, someone of my age, and 00:50:25.539 --> 00:50:28.320 I'm thinking back on it. Well, you're old, Ken. 00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.639 You're not that old. I might be the oldest on 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.380 this conversation, but you and I, Craig, differ 00:50:33.380 --> 00:50:37.239 by, what, a year at most? Hey, that's a big year 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:39.619 right there, son. A big year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:43.500 So anyway, the memes, yeah, I've got to look 00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:45.000 at that. I've got to think about that and how 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.300 best to do that. Yeah, memes are extremely important. 00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:50.440 I mean, I know it might sound silly, you know, 00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:54.559 but it really is. the language of social media. 00:50:54.619 --> 00:50:59.739 If you can do memes, you can attract people to 00:50:59.739 --> 00:51:02.780 do your organization via social media, especially 00:51:02.780 --> 00:51:06.260 young people. And if you can't, then you're just 00:51:06.260 --> 00:51:09.559 going to be outperformed by organizations that 00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.820 have picked up on that. I imagine there's probably 00:51:12.820 --> 00:51:17.059 a fairly well -developed youth -led anti -2A, 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.739 or maybe a number of groups that are probably 00:51:19.739 --> 00:51:22.150 more effective at this because they're just on 00:51:22.150 --> 00:51:24.429 average younger and probably better at this stuff 00:51:24.429 --> 00:51:27.750 uh at marketing the you know stop the violence 00:51:27.750 --> 00:51:29.670 or something like that i mean they're gonna even 00:51:29.670 --> 00:51:31.449 people who are politically opposed to charlie 00:51:31.449 --> 00:51:33.130 kirk are probably gonna latch on to this and 00:51:33.130 --> 00:51:36.449 say you know well if that guy hadn't had access 00:51:36.449 --> 00:51:38.630 to whatever gun it turns out he used then we 00:51:38.630 --> 00:51:41.510 wouldn't have this problem and it's it's too 00:51:41.510 --> 00:51:45.110 simplistic obviously something that feeds back 00:51:45.110 --> 00:51:47.909 into itself, what you're pointing out here with 00:51:47.909 --> 00:51:51.750 the anti -gun organizations or similar organizations. 00:51:52.090 --> 00:51:57.349 We all know that liberalism is attractive to 00:51:57.349 --> 00:52:01.150 young people who think more with their hearts 00:52:01.150 --> 00:52:05.750 than with their prefrontal cortex. You said it, 00:52:05.769 --> 00:52:10.630 not me. Well, and it's true. And we know this, 00:52:10.650 --> 00:52:15.989 which means that you get an anti -gun organization, 00:52:16.449 --> 00:52:20.809 the chances of that being run by young people 00:52:20.809 --> 00:52:23.250 is much higher than a pro -gun organization being 00:52:23.250 --> 00:52:26.030 run by young people. And therefore, they're going 00:52:26.030 --> 00:52:27.889 to know how to speak to the young people better 00:52:27.889 --> 00:52:30.269 than the pro -Second Amendment organization will. 00:52:30.429 --> 00:52:33.809 And then it's, yeah, that's a real disadvantage 00:52:33.809 --> 00:52:39.610 for us. And so we absolutely have to combat that. 00:52:39.690 --> 00:52:45.219 We have to freshen up our content and freshen 00:52:45.219 --> 00:52:47.019 up the way that we're communicating. And I think 00:52:47.019 --> 00:52:51.260 most importantly, young people, my generation 00:52:51.260 --> 00:52:55.199 for all you can say about it, good and bad, I 00:52:55.199 --> 00:53:02.599 am seeing a return to family life and a return 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:08.860 to valuing family. You've got the trad wife. 00:53:09.780 --> 00:53:13.639 trend on TikTok. And that's a bunch of married, 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.780 stay at home, young women, young women who are 00:53:17.780 --> 00:53:21.199 married and stay at home and take care of the 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:23.619 house or take care of the kids if they have kids. 00:53:23.739 --> 00:53:27.019 And they are posting contents about it on social 00:53:27.019 --> 00:53:29.599 media, promoting this lifestyle that is really 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.400 pretty traditional. It's kind of what we all 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:36.599 saw for. Every generation throughout human history 00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:40.000 until very recently. Both traditional and cutting 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:44.380 edge at the same time. Exactly. Exactly. And 00:53:44.380 --> 00:53:47.699 the young men also, you know, you're seeing young 00:53:47.699 --> 00:53:52.119 men propose younger nowadays. I proposed to my 00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:55.960 wife at 19 years old. Did you really? Yeah, 19 00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:59.590 years old. And we were married. that same year. 00:53:59.690 --> 00:54:02.869 So I was 19 when I got married and I just spoke 00:54:02.869 --> 00:54:06.469 to another young couple, same age as us, 24 and 00:54:06.469 --> 00:54:10.789 25, a few days ago at King Scoopers, who I've 00:54:10.789 --> 00:54:13.829 been married going on six years. And my wife 00:54:13.829 --> 00:54:16.050 and I have been married going on six years. And 00:54:16.050 --> 00:54:20.050 I've got other friends in my circle who also 00:54:20.050 --> 00:54:22.389 got married very young. So you're also seeing 00:54:22.389 --> 00:54:27.070 a return to doing marriage and doing family first? 00:54:28.150 --> 00:54:32.289 Instead of this, you know, go start your career. 00:54:32.469 --> 00:54:35.809 Then maybe when you're 35, you can think about 00:54:35.809 --> 00:54:38.909 settling down and having kids. No, no. My generation 00:54:38.909 --> 00:54:42.769 is returning to marriage and family life much 00:54:42.769 --> 00:54:46.429 earlier now. And I think that if we can really 00:54:46.429 --> 00:54:51.369 lean into that and demonstrate the value of your 00:54:51.369 --> 00:54:54.860 Second Amendment rights. for your obligations 00:54:54.860 --> 00:54:59.539 as a head of household or stay at home mom um 00:54:59.539 --> 00:55:03.679 and and we can really demonstrate how that empowers 00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:06.699 you to if we can demonstrate to young men like 00:55:06.699 --> 00:55:10.179 me the value of the second amendment for enabling 00:55:10.179 --> 00:55:15.139 yourself to meet your basic obligation to guarantee 00:55:15.139 --> 00:55:19.420 the safety of your wife and kids that's really 00:55:19.420 --> 00:55:23.440 compelling to young men especially i agree That 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.659 is a great point. That is a great point. Absolutely. 00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:30.340 So how do we, how do people, it's months away 00:55:30.340 --> 00:55:32.940 from the next election, quite a distance away. 00:55:33.099 --> 00:55:37.639 How do we help you? What do you want? What best 00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:41.280 suits getting QE in the position that you want 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:45.059 to be in, in order to affect the biggest change 00:55:45.059 --> 00:55:48.420 in the shortest period of time? Well. Right now, 00:55:48.539 --> 00:55:52.800 I need to collect the requisite signatures to 00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.960 get my name on the ballot for 2026. How many 00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:00.360 is that? 363 this year. Okay. I'm well on my 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:04.360 way there, but definitely need some more signatures. 00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:07.099 And I would like to finish well over that mark 00:56:07.099 --> 00:56:11.599 of 363 to make sure that I do get my name onto 00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:13.699 the ballot. So I'll provide you with a link to 00:56:13.699 --> 00:56:18.170 sign my electronic petition. in the description 00:56:18.170 --> 00:56:21.829 and encourage your listeners to sign. That would 00:56:21.829 --> 00:56:25.150 be really helpful. Absolutely. Now, do they have 00:56:25.150 --> 00:56:27.570 to be NRA members? I think they do, don't they? 00:56:28.250 --> 00:56:30.429 Yes, they have to be voting NRA members. And 00:56:30.429 --> 00:56:33.630 a voting NRA member is somebody who is either 00:56:33.630 --> 00:56:37.190 a life member or if not a life member, they have 00:56:37.190 --> 00:56:41.389 been a member in good standing with no lapses 00:56:41.389 --> 00:56:44.750 for at least five years. Okay. So that's an important 00:56:44.750 --> 00:56:47.289 point because a lot of people might you know, 00:56:47.289 --> 00:56:52.090 go to the voting booth without proper ID, basically, 00:56:52.090 --> 00:56:54.829 and cast a vote that really doesn't count for 00:56:54.829 --> 00:56:59.170 anything. Do you have any, a website or something 00:56:59.170 --> 00:57:01.710 like that, that you would like to talk about 00:57:01.710 --> 00:57:05.070 right now, or any other, you know, social media 00:57:05.070 --> 00:57:08.329 presence that we should alert people to? Yeah, 00:57:08.409 --> 00:57:10.929 so you can follow me on Twitter. It's just my 00:57:10.929 --> 00:57:13.349 first and last name, no spaces, no underscores 00:57:13.349 --> 00:57:16.659 or anything like that, at Huey Laugason. How 00:57:16.659 --> 00:57:18.820 about you spell that for people? Because Logison 00:57:18.820 --> 00:57:21.039 is not necessarily the most, it's not the most 00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:24.380 obvious spelling. Yes, yes. So first name is 00:57:24.380 --> 00:57:28.619 Huey, H -U -E -Y. Last name, Logison, L -A -U 00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:33.420 -G -E -S -E -N. So you can follow me on Twitter. 00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:38.480 I welcome that. You can also follow CSSA. That's 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:41.039 the State Association of the NRA in Colorado. 00:57:41.789 --> 00:57:43.730 the organization which I'm the executive director 00:57:43.730 --> 00:57:49.670 of. And the Twitter handle is CSSA1926. You can 00:57:49.670 --> 00:57:54.599 also go to cssa .org. That's our website. And 00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:56.599 you can sign up for our mailing list there, too, 00:57:56.699 --> 00:57:59.199 if you want to get regular updates about what 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.199 we're doing here in Colorado. We keep our supporters 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:05.159 very in the loop of what we're doing on a constant 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:10.260 basis. And they really value that information 00:58:10.260 --> 00:58:13.179 that we give them on a regular basis. And if 00:58:13.179 --> 00:58:15.980 anybody else wants to see what CSSA is doing 00:58:15.980 --> 00:58:18.840 for gun rights in Colorado, which is the new... 00:58:19.210 --> 00:58:21.889 testing ground for all of Bloomberg's wildest 00:58:21.889 --> 00:58:27.110 dreams, then go on to cssa .org and add me to 00:58:27.110 --> 00:58:29.110 your mailing list in the upper left -hand corner. 00:58:29.369 --> 00:58:32.710 We'll do that. Are there other young people like 00:58:32.710 --> 00:58:35.190 yourself that are also looking at board positions 00:58:35.190 --> 00:58:38.210 in the next election that we should also be aware 00:58:38.210 --> 00:58:43.289 of? I'm not aware of any that are running, any 00:58:43.289 --> 00:58:46.969 other people of my generation that are running 00:58:48.699 --> 00:58:50.739 right now. That's not to say that there aren't, 00:58:50.739 --> 00:58:53.460 but I don't know of any. I do know that Knox 00:58:53.460 --> 00:58:56.300 Williams, the president of the American Suppressor 00:58:56.300 --> 00:59:00.920 Association, was elected this year in 2025 as 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:03.639 the youngest board member ever elected to the 00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:07.059 NRA. I'm not exactly sure how old he is. I think 00:59:07.059 --> 00:59:10.369 he's in his 30s. But he's definitely older than 00:59:10.369 --> 00:59:14.809 me. And I actually, I serve on the NRA membership 00:59:14.809 --> 00:59:18.170 committee. And so I was out at a committee, at 00:59:18.170 --> 00:59:20.289 a membership committee meeting last week. And 00:59:20.289 --> 00:59:22.690 I introduced myself to him and told him, I'm 00:59:22.690 --> 00:59:28.070 coming for your title. Forever elected. And asked 00:59:28.070 --> 00:59:31.269 him to sign my petition. And, you know, I was 00:59:31.269 --> 00:59:33.849 pleased to see that he was willing to sign my 00:59:33.849 --> 00:59:36.070 petition and support my bid to supplant his. 00:59:36.489 --> 00:59:41.349 Title. Outstanding. You got any funny anecdotal 00:59:41.349 --> 00:59:44.670 little closers for us before we finish out tonight? 00:59:45.010 --> 00:59:47.590 I don't know if I've got anything funny. I'll 00:59:47.590 --> 00:59:52.150 just end with a right delayed is a right denied. 00:59:52.510 --> 00:59:56.489 And what we're seeing across the country are 00:59:56.489 --> 01:00:00.849 all various forms of delaying people's Second 01:00:00.849 --> 01:00:06.159 Amendment rights. permit to purchase scheme is 01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:09.039 on the heels of other similar measures being 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.260 passed in other anti -gun states. We're seeing 01:00:12.260 --> 01:00:16.900 waiting periods are becoming increasingly popular 01:00:16.900 --> 01:00:21.840 in the blue states and we're also seeing a lot 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:27.480 of age increases that prohibit adults between 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.980 the ages of 18 and 20 from from their second 01:00:30.980 --> 01:00:33.380 amendment rights despite the fact that they can 01:00:33.380 --> 01:00:36.300 have families that they have to provide for and 01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:40.159 protect or they could even be potentially drafted 01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:43.019 to go to war for our country but they but they 01:00:43.019 --> 01:00:44.699 can't carry their firearms they have to wait 01:00:44.699 --> 01:00:48.940 a few more years because it's it's this this 01:00:48.940 --> 01:00:51.059 progression they want to put it off put it off 01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:53.280 put it off put off your rights as long as possible 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.880 because they do want to deny you your second 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.099 amendment rights and a right delayed is right 01:00:58.099 --> 01:01:02.360 denied Or right with the price tag on it. Exactly. 01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:06.820 Exactly right. Yeah. I mean, here for CCWs in 01:01:06.820 --> 01:01:11.280 San Diego, it's probably, what, $750 or $800 01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:15.320 for your initial one and $300 to $500 every two 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:17.860 years. Well, that's the aggregated cost, yeah, 01:01:17.860 --> 01:01:19.500 by the time you pay for the training and things 01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:21.019 like that. So it's really, I mean, it sounds 01:01:21.019 --> 01:01:24.199 like Colorado's situation might be in some ways 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:26.059 worse than California, if you can imagine that. 01:01:26.179 --> 01:01:28.659 Yeah. But all of it's wrong. All of it's wrong. 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:33.699 All right, Huey. It's been an excellent show. 01:01:33.900 --> 01:01:38.199 I really do appreciate it. I want to talk again 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:42.059 right before the election or when the ballots 01:01:42.059 --> 01:01:45.340 come out. Let's kind of pencil that in just notionally 01:01:45.340 --> 01:01:48.199 when the ballots come out. We want to get a refresher 01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:51.420 from you, see how things are going, and get awareness 01:01:51.420 --> 01:01:53.579 out there because you never know how many people 01:01:53.579 --> 01:01:55.519 are going to either remember this show or go 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:57.480 back and listen to an old show or something like 01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:59.980 that when we get to that point. Yeah, great. 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:02.480 I'm totally open to talking to you again. This 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.099 has been great. I really appreciate you guys 01:02:05.099 --> 01:02:07.360 having me on the show. Thank you very much. You're 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.139 most welcome. Today we've had the opportunity 01:02:10.139 --> 01:02:13.900 of speaking with Huey Logison, who is going to 01:02:13.900 --> 01:02:17.260 be running for the NRA board in 2026, coming 01:02:17.260 --> 01:02:23.119 up here. I also had the opportunity to mourn 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:27.380 the passing of a great Second Amendment and conservative 01:02:27.380 --> 01:02:30.840 thinker, Charlie Kirk, today. A great American, 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:33.719 a great patriot. A great patriot, yeah. Exactly. 01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:36.139 Even if he disagreed with him, he didn't deserve 01:02:36.139 --> 01:02:38.519 to die for what he believed, and even people 01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:41.619 we opposed. They don't deserve that. No, they 01:02:41.619 --> 01:02:44.739 don't deserve that. 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