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The power of the NRA is that it is the laser

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pointer and we are all the cats and it shines

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a light in a direction and tells us where to

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pounce. Welcome to episode 15. That is number

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one, five of the Frugal Firearms podcast, the

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podcast that's normally designed to help you

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get the most for your shooting dollar. But today

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is a completely different kind of show than you're

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used to. And really something that I think is

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important and you're going to get a lot out of.

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Or if you don't, you'll regret not getting a

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lot out of it. And here's the reason I say that.

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We all have been through the experience of voting

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not too long ago, and we saw what the results

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are. Well, there are organizations out there

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that really have a lot to do with whether your

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rights as a firearms owner exist or fail to exist.

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And a lot of this goes to their ability to not

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only bring court cases that they win if they're

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sufficiently funded, but also to lobby effectively

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as well. And many of you are probably NRA members.

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Many of you also might be members of the Second

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Amendment Foundation or Gun Owners of America

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or other organizations that are similar. Firearms

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Policy Coalition comes to mind. All these are

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valid organizations and they all deserve support.

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But the one with the big inertia over time and

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the one with probably the most lobbying power

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of all is the National Rifle Association. Now,

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of course, there is a history with the NRA that

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some people find a bit unsavory. And I'll just

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say it. Conservatives tend to be pretty... black

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and white about their morals. And if you're wrong

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on one issue, whether it be abortion, whether

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it be taxes, whether it be school choice, whether

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it be anything else, conservatives tend to throw

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that organization or person off the train and

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want nothing to do with them anymore. And I've

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seen this happen with the NRA, that they've had

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a few missteps over time and in so doing have

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probably lost a lot of momentum. Today, we're

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bringing on guests to talk about why you, as

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an NRA member, if you're not one, become one,

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because you don't have a seat at the table of

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power if you're not a member and you don't vote.

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But the voting is also important. The voting

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means that you get to pick the direction of the

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NRA, or at least participate in that, and failure

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to do so will affect you in the future, because

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frugal firearms or not, If you have a case of

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no firearms, well, the frugal argument kind of

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goes out the window, doesn't it? So, Ken, my

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co -host, is going to say hi, and then I'm going

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to bring on a voice from the past. Ken, say hello

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to our listeners today. Hello, listeners. I appreciate

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you guys dialing in. I get to talk about the

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NRA and organization. I've been a member of for

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well over 40 years, even as an endowment member,

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as well as others in my family. And my father

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before me was a member probably starting back

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in the 1930s or 40s. Yeah, I'm very much interested

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in this subject. And now we're going to bring

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on almost kind of a co -host. He's like a guest

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and a co -host at the same time. Marcus Kahn

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from... modern Spartan systems. You have heard

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Marcus in the past talk about his products. Particularly

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interesting to the firearms community is accuracy

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oil, carbon destroyer, and other products. You've

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heard me pontificate about TVT Green. I recently

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sent him a bunch of data that proves the efficacy

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of that product. Honestly, if you're serious

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about protection of anything that has friction

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in it, and you're not using modern Spartan systems

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products, Well, you're using the wrong product.

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So, Marcus, why don't you take the floor and

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introduce our guest tonight? Well, Greg, I really

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appreciate that. And you said everything really

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properly and right about people need to get involved.

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And if you're an NRA person and I get about kind

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of being black and white, I'm a little I'm like

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that, too. Like, you know, I watch people and

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see what they decide, what they do. And you got

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to give a little bit of leeway. But I'm a little

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more. cut and dry. So anyhow, I am very good

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friends and a business partner with a guy named

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Charlie Hilton. And Charlie is one of the three

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people that was really in charge of taking the

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NRA from the crappy course that was on. I'm more

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blunt, sorry, but well, I'm not sorry. It's more,

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they were going on a really bad course and doing

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things that were not good. They were taking them

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off mission. And a lot of people were getting

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discouraged. Because they would hear things and

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maybe didn't have the full story. I kind of learned

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the full story from Charlie. And then he told

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me that they took it over. They had kind of like

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a good guy coup. And the tentacles of the cabal,

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the guys who were really bringing the organization

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down, were getting routed out. They get routed

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out with votes. And so people got to get educated.

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When he explained everything to me, In kind of

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those good guy, bad guy terms, like, okay, the

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NRA is critical to the Second Amendment. The

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Second Amendment is critical to protecting the

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First Amendment and our country. And if anybody's

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got eyes to see, this is not just about hunting

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and self -defense and those topics. It's about

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protecting our country from the internal and

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external forces that would love to bring us down.

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And they're in spades all over. Thank God for...

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President Trump and his team that is rooting

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out the deep state and the corruption. Boy, we're

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finding a lot of it. But from the ground up,

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it's got to be organizations like the NRA that

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is a prominent organization and prominent voice

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for protecting that. So now they are back on

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track, but there are still guys in there that

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need to get rooted out. And so there's another

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election that's going on now. And people that

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are members and are eligible to vote need to

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get off their duffs and get active, get educated

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and vote. And what I learned, too, which is very

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kind of surprising, is because we've been doing

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a bunch of these podcasts and shows to educate

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people, is that people that I think would know

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about it, they didn't. They're like, oh, my gosh,

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we didn't know that. Thank you for letting us

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know. Now we're going to get involved. So this

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is kind of an education wake up. call for people

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and to get into action and start educating other

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people. Share this out. But anyhow, Charlie introduced

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me to Amanda. He said, Amanda is great. She is

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so cool. Her name is Suffolk. That is her last

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name. And she is a national syndicated radio

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host, a two -way person. She's an engineer. So

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she's like really smart. And anyhow, she can

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articulate what's really going on behind the

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scenes. Now she's nicer than I am, but. But she's

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going to articulate what's going on so people

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know what to do and why they're doing it and

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how important this is for our country. So, Amanda,

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tell everybody what they need to hear. OK, well,

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thanks, Marcus, for that. Man, he makes me sound

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smart anyhow. And so, hey, Sir Craig, Ken, Marcus,

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thanks for having me on. I really, really appreciate

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it. So let's go into a little bit of the backstory

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of this. We all know that people have been watching

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the NRA, and they're not happy. And they've not

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been happy for a while. And so you saw people

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say, not one more dime till Wayne is gone. And

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those types of sentiments. Well, I too watched

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some of that happening. kind of moved and shifted

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careers, I wanted to be on the board of directors

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because I'm from a three -generation family of

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NRA members. And the NRAs existed for 154 years,

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and I didn't want it to go away on my watch.

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So, Craig, Ken, are you guys aware that New York

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was using lawfare against the NRA? Oh, yeah.

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With Letitia James? Yeah. Absolutely. So that

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is actually a big piece of it also, is that starting

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in about 2018, they came after the NRA. Letitia

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James ran for office saying that she was going

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to defund the NRA, was going to shut it down.

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Well, 501c3 and not -for -profit, one of the

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things that happens with those is that you don't

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just get to shut it down and take your assets

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and move someplace else. It's not like a business

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where you can pick it up and move it. 501c3s

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have to get either permission or they defund

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them completely, keep their assets and shut them

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down. And if they do, they have to donate their

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assets to like -minded organizations. So when

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you think about what the NRA is, it's a gun safety

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organization, a gun education organization. And

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then there's the second, the NRA ILA. But the

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NRA itself, the heart of the NRA started with

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education. which means that Everytown for Gun

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Safety, Moms Demand Action, Bloomberg's groups,

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those groups are all standing in line with their

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hands out waiting for the NRA assets to be dropped

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in their hands. So the NRA was fighting, literally

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fighting for its very existence. And because

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of that, it stopped marketing. It didn't have

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any extra money. Services that it had provided

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in the past, it didn't provide because it didn't

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have staff. So the NRA really, really was having

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a hard time. And while it had a hard time, there

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are some of the no compromise groups that we

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all know, and they're none of the ones that you

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had mentioned earlier, Craig. The no compromise

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groups use that as a fundraising opportunity

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to kind of go after and chew on the NRA. So all

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of this together is a recipe for members falling

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apart, for people taking potshots. The left has

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been taking potshots at the NRA forever. And

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so now we ended up with even the right taking

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potshots at it. So that's where we are right

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now. There's been a group of people who have

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diligently worked both inside the NRA and inside

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the NRA board to wrestle control back to the

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NRA in a way of looking at it to say, let's make

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smart decisions, not stupid decisions. Let's

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make... Let's look forward. Let's use technology.

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There's so many different things that we're trying

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to do. And we're standing on the precipice of

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that. And that is why this election is truly

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the most important election that the NRA has

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faced in, I think, the 154 years. Maybe there

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was a spot in the... 1970s with the neil knox

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and the knox contingent but past that this this

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is it and so there there has been there's a lot

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of stuff happening but right now we're in the

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middle the absolute middle of the election cycle

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and if you are a voting member of the nra which

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there are 2 .3 million of them if you're a voting

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member of the nra last year of the 2 .3 million

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77 000 voted So we could talk about that as a

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problem, right? But I think in a lot of cases,

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people don't vote because they don't want to

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be an uninformed voter. They don't know any board

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members. And so we decided this time that we're

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going to run this election like it's an election,

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like a real election, where people actually campaign

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and people take a stand and say who they are

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and what their background is and put themselves

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out there. And we put together a web... website

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and there's a slate card and there's a group

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of people that are all like -minded and so we're

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running it as a campaign because we really it's

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it's critically important well let me ask you

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this then amanda let's say that you get a nominal

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increase in in the number of people voting because

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of the awareness but is it kind of a de facto

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thing like you have in congress or something

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like that where 98 % of incumbents get returned.

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And if that happens, then we're back to where

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we were. And what would be the consequences of

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that kind of a result? Okay, very good question.

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There are some extremely well -known names and

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popular names. But we have been, there's a group

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called Elect a New NRA. And the website is electanewnra

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.com. And that group has been running on a full

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slate, saying, if you like me, then I'm asking

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you to trust me and like all my friends. And

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so we're seeing a lot of people who have never

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voted before vote. And if that's the case, and

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they're following the slates, and you can only

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go by anecdotal evidence because you don't get

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to see sort of like regular elections. You really

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only get to see it when it. kicks off and at

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the end. And you don't really get to see numbers

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until all the polls close and then numbers start

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to come in. So we don't get to see what, but

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just in the conversations, the people that we're

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talking to, the gun companies that have said,

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we'll send it to everybody on our list. We will

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share your information. Marty Daniels from Daniels

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Defense did a several minute video. to say, look,

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this is why I'm back involved with the NRA. I

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believe in this group and I believe in what they're

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doing. As of right now, we have been working

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internally. And when I say this, understand the

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structure of the NRA board. And so people say

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that the NRA board is huge and we should have

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a much smaller board. I'm going to say in my

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mind that jury's still out on that. And the reason

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why is that if you've got a corporate board and

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it's for a large corporation, I mean, this is

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a $300 million company. Think about it that way.

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So if you've got a large corporation and maybe

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you've got 15 or 20 board members, but you've

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handpicked them by their skill sets and their

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capabilities and the things they bring, this

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is a popularity contest. So we get whoever we

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get and we get and not to but you've seen the

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popular names. We've gotten football players.

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We've we've gotten actors. We've gotten, you

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know, musicians. We've gotten congressmen. And,

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you know, so you start to look at it. And so

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you've got people who are in the trenches working

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and then you've got people who are popular. They

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know they know their name. Well, are you saying

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that those people are not I mean, OK, all publicity

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is good, too. To an extent, right? Are you saying

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that those people who may have notoriety in other

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fields are less qualified or less dedicated to

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the mission, and they're only doing it because

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it's another place to put their name and get

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some visibility? Or are you saying that these

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are really the wrong people anyway, no matter

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what flavor of life they came from before? No,

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it's more that... Those are people who have people

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to do things. They don't do things. Good point.

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Thank you. They have people for that. So we need

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a working board. So there are 141 different things

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that the NRA is involved in. There are 41 different

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committees that the board needs to lead, steer,

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direct, guide, and work on. There are some of

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those people who have famous names. that have

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never showed up to a board meeting. And it just

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looks like publicity, right? You're just out

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there doing that. So that's not really serving.

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That's not grassroots. We need to be grassroots,

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people that know what's going on and want to

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get involved, not just out there for flashing

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their name. They may be good people and all that,

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but if they're not producing, you want producers.

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I do not disagree with you at all, Marcus. So

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really what we've been out there doing right

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now is to look for business owners. We're looking

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for people who are project managers. We're looking

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for people who have trainers and that type of

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a thing so that you have a full understanding.

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They can help in the areas where the business

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is suffering, if that makes sense. So you want

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financial guys if you're talking about the budget.

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You want marketing guys if you're talking about...

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marketing and growth and change and shift you

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want you do want politicians if you're talking

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about the ila and legislative updates and those

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kind of things so you want this mix yeah you

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want technology people if you're going to be

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out there doing social media or or needing the

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new computer systems or whatever it might be

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i'm a technology guy so i i understand where

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you're going with this okay so and that's really

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it so we want all of those kind of things but

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but with an elected board the board the board's

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bigger because of that. And so part of what you're

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trying to do is when I got on the board, I got

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on the board in 2023. And at that point, so I

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had just retired from my job. I came into the

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board fully intended to spend all my time, all

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my effort and all my energy. And I made someone

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angry the very first day. And so they pulled

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me off all of my committees and I went and I

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was like, what, what is this? Why am I, why am

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I not on any committee? Why am I not involved

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in anything? And they're like, well, some people

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come on the board and they're all fluff and no

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substance. Okay. So noted. And I'm like, okay,

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I'm. I didn't punch him in the nose. I did not

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punch anyone in the nose, but I, you know, I'm,

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I've never been called fluffy in my life. I have

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a manufacturing engineering degree. I've been

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a plant manager. I've been an operations manager.

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So I've run businesses. I've also been an NRA

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trainer for 20 years. And I'm a nationally syndicated

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radio host. So guess what? I probably know a

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little bit about the Second Amendment. So I was

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somewhat shocked. But what I found was that when

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they pull you off your committees, the goal is

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to shut you up and segregate you from the rest

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of the board. They don't want you talking to

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the rest of the board. So they won't bring you

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in. So you're not there for committee meetings.

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They bring you in. If the board meeting is on

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a Saturday, they bring you in Friday evening

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and they send you home on Sunday and they keep

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you separated from everybody else. Kind of like

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a censorship type stuff, huh? um it's it's segregation

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more than censorship but it's just to because

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you create a relationship with some of these

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folks and then you can talk to them offline and

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outside and about things and so so i personally

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headed some of that off just by um just by paying

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my own way and coming early and sitting through

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the meetings anyhow because as a board member

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i was welcome to them they just i just was on

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my own dime But what I found was that there were

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people inside the room that wanted change and

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wanted to do stuff, but they too had been punished.

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And so it took for a little bit for this group

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of misfits to find each other. And then last

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year, what they did was they pushed really hard.

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And we found that we worked at it. We met together.

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we whipped some votes and we found all of all

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the misfits on the board and we started to be

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strategic about what what things were being driven

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what things were happening on the on the floor

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and in the meetings and learning robert's rules

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of order and learning how they were trying to

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control you i mean it sounds crazy but it was

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just it was that here's these new upstarts who

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are getting involved in something that these

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other people had been doing for years and years,

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and who are we, and what do we think we're doing

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with this? Well, we are now a voice, and we're

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a big enough voice that we recently, at the last

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group of meetings, the last election, we are

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now just barely the majority. So if we have everybody

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show up, if nobody has an airline problem or

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a car problem or somebody broke a leg or whatever,

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then we're good. If not, we're right at that

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edge. So this election will take us from the

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majority, just barely the majority, to a super

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majority to give us the strength to be able to

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push back and to say no, to stop things. Some

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of you may have seen the members meeting. that

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took place last year in Dallas. And if you haven't,

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go see David Germani's video that is the NRA

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members meeting. So it was on a Saturday. Is

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that on YouTube? That's something that people

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can find on YouTube? I was there, actually. I

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was there physically. Okay. So I was the person

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who asked the questions and called the vote.

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If you were in the room, then you know exactly

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where I'm going with this, right? Absolutely.

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Yep. Yep. But, okay, so what happened was that

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someone internal to the board had written a resolution

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that says that the members demand that the NRA

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move to Texas and sell the building. And so we're

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board members and we're like, wait, wait, wait,

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this shouldn't be a resolution. It shouldn't

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come from the floor. It shouldn't happen. Where

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is it? So we started asking, we started looking.

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Come to find out that it was written by someone

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who was working up through the chair. So one

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of the officers of the NRA wrote it, handed it

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to someone else to submit under their name so

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that they could be under the cloak and cover.

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And what they were going to do is that though

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it's a resolution and it's not binding, they

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would use it as a hammer to drive the board to

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have to move because the members demand it. We're

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a members -driven organization. And so they were

00:23:01.579 --> 00:23:04.319
working behind the scenes to force us to move.

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We caught them. And then they were running out

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the clock and they were going to, it was just

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this whole big plot and scheme. And at the end,

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if you go see the video, what you'll see is that

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at the end of this, the time was running out,

00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:27.539
the clock was ticking, and they were seeing that

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they were not going to win. And so they were

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just going to let the clock run out and disband

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the meeting. And so I got up and I called the

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vote. And Charles Cotton, the then president,

00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.559
was extremely unhappy. And he was like, well,

00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.450
what did you say? And I'm like, well, you know,

00:23:48.470 --> 00:23:50.210
we're talking about moving. Nobody talked to

00:23:50.210 --> 00:23:53.049
Phil Schreier. Nobody talked to the board. Nobody's

00:23:53.049 --> 00:23:55.029
used any of the skills and experiences of the

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entire 76 members of the board to determine whether

00:23:58.750 --> 00:24:01.750
it makes sense or not sense to move to Texas.

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And you're going to push this. I call the vote

00:24:05.329 --> 00:24:08.190
and I urge every member that's in this room to

00:24:08.190 --> 00:24:10.890
vote no and allow the board to do the work that

00:24:10.890 --> 00:24:13.230
the board needs to do. And we haven't done it.

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Let me ask maybe a fundamental question here,

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a couple things. One, what would be – let me

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get both questions out first. What would be the

00:24:21.579 --> 00:24:24.339
logic in moving from the Beltway, basically,

00:24:24.339 --> 00:24:27.559
to Texas? I mean, just because it's friendlier

00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:32.079
to guns is a lousy, lousy reason to remove yourself

00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.460
physically from the point of influence. That

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would be one part of the question. And the other

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part of the question was, for the average listener,

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Who is, you know, they pay their dues. Maybe

00:24:45.099 --> 00:24:47.339
they just paid it once. They just bought an endowment,

00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.400
you know, and they don't really give annually

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or something like that. It may be a little bit

00:24:51.380 --> 00:24:54.740
of a case of, you know, the person who goes to

00:24:54.740 --> 00:24:57.099
church and puts a dollar in the basket on Sunday.

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You know, they feel like they're doing their

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part. And they feel exonerated based on that.

00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:06.400
So how do you get that person energized about

00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:10.480
this topic, about why this matters, and what

00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:14.279
is the direct effect on their rights or their

00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:18.220
ability to exercise and maintain those rights

00:25:18.220 --> 00:25:21.900
if this election doesn't go the way it should

00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:25.740
and manifested by things like, you know, people

00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:27.579
trying to do power plays to move the organization

00:25:27.579 --> 00:25:31.299
to Texas, which I think is silly, you know, just

00:25:31.299 --> 00:25:34.079
because it's friendlier to guns is, again, a

00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:37.299
lousy reason. So if you could kind of touch on

00:25:37.299 --> 00:25:39.640
those points, because I think that a lot of the

00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.579
listeners are going to be of the opinion of,

00:25:42.619 --> 00:25:45.359
well, A, how do I pick who I'm supposed to pick?

00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:49.359
And you already identified a website where perhaps

00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:51.519
the candidates are already, the preferable candidates

00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.940
are already listed. But really, what's the effect

00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:56.579
on them in their day -to -day or year -to -year

00:25:56.579 --> 00:26:02.210
life? Okay, so the question of why Texas? I'm

00:26:02.210 --> 00:26:04.950
going to answer with a big fat, I don't really

00:26:04.950 --> 00:26:08.029
understand. But I'm going to tell you that in

00:26:08.029 --> 00:26:13.809
my opinion, there is such a drive to go to Texas

00:26:13.809 --> 00:26:18.410
that it makes no sense. So there's some nefarious,

00:26:18.410 --> 00:26:22.950
some something, right? We know that before he

00:26:22.950 --> 00:26:27.690
left, Wayne LaPierre had bought a place in Texas.

00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:32.519
We know that the current president at that time

00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:36.240
was also from Texas. So there were those things.

00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:40.200
But know that the building in Virginia is separate

00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:48.400
from the 501c3 or where it is founded and where

00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.680
it is centered paperwork -wise, which is New

00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:56.759
York. So where the building is has no real determination.

00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:01.440
So Texas makes no sense. And it made no financial

00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:04.299
sense. And so they were saying, well, the condition

00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:07.119
of the building is such that we have to sell

00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:12.420
it and get out. And so one of the points I made

00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:15.559
was that, okay, if the building is in that condition,

00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.059
it's because we allowed it to be. That would

00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:21.269
be like me taking an ax to my car. And then telling

00:27:21.269 --> 00:27:23.509
my husband, oh, well, we need a new one because

00:27:23.509 --> 00:27:25.549
this one's in bad condition. That's how you got

00:27:25.549 --> 00:27:30.930
the new vehicle you got. Exactly, yes. You guys

00:27:30.930 --> 00:27:33.049
are doing dirty things. There's reasons, right?

00:27:33.670 --> 00:27:35.849
When you do stuff in the dark, that means you're

00:27:35.849 --> 00:27:37.450
doing stuff you don't want people to find out

00:27:37.450 --> 00:27:39.289
about. That means you're being greedy, selfish,

00:27:39.509 --> 00:27:43.789
bad, evil, whatever it is. What they did speaks

00:27:43.789 --> 00:27:47.730
on itself. It doesn't really make a lot of sense.

00:27:47.910 --> 00:27:50.029
And so it doesn't make financial sense. It just

00:27:50.029 --> 00:27:52.710
doesn't make logical sense. And your point about

00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:56.730
it moving from, you know, from the Beltway to

00:27:56.730 --> 00:28:00.529
Texas is another point that, you know, we are

00:28:00.529 --> 00:28:03.690
the NRA and it is an education organization,

00:28:03.710 --> 00:28:06.549
but it is also a political organization. And

00:28:06.549 --> 00:28:09.829
it wields a pretty big hammer when it's healthy

00:28:09.829 --> 00:28:12.690
and when it's working. And that I'm going to

00:28:12.690 --> 00:28:15.410
answer now your second question. point. So we

00:28:15.410 --> 00:28:18.970
want members to be able to say that they are

00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:21.910
members of the NRA. Because members that are

00:28:21.910 --> 00:28:24.890
members, members that are vested, members that

00:28:24.890 --> 00:28:29.069
are invested, what they do is that they will

00:28:29.069 --> 00:28:32.509
say, I am the NRA. And for every member that

00:28:32.509 --> 00:28:35.670
we have, we also have their family. And so when

00:28:35.670 --> 00:28:38.920
you talk to those people, they are NRA members

00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.960
by default. They're not dues -paying members.

00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:44.539
They're non -dues -paying members. But when you

00:28:44.539 --> 00:28:48.000
ask, they're an NRA family. They are NRA voters.

00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:50.859
They're NRA involvement. They're pro -Second

00:28:50.859 --> 00:28:53.720
Amendment. And so for every member, there is

00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.160
that. And when you really think about it, the

00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.140
power of the NRA is not the NRA it's building

00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:03.220
or the people that live and work in Fairfax,

00:29:03.299 --> 00:29:06.250
Virginia. The power of the NRA is that it is

00:29:06.250 --> 00:29:09.569
the laser pointer and we are all the cats and

00:29:09.569 --> 00:29:12.369
it shines a light in a direction and tells us

00:29:12.369 --> 00:29:14.950
where to pounce. It tells us where to vote. It

00:29:14.950 --> 00:29:18.569
tells us who to call. It tells us where to look,

00:29:18.630 --> 00:29:21.130
which rock that they just turned over that we

00:29:21.130 --> 00:29:23.970
hadn't even noticed. That is the power of the

00:29:23.970 --> 00:29:28.450
NRA and that they can invoke 6 million cats when

00:29:28.450 --> 00:29:30.569
they point their laser pointer somewhere. Is

00:29:30.569 --> 00:29:33.170
that the reason that I would spend money, you

00:29:33.170 --> 00:29:35.329
know, if I have, Limited funds that I'm going

00:29:35.329 --> 00:29:38.029
to give away to any organization in any given

00:29:38.029 --> 00:29:42.049
year because, you know, I mean, remember, Frugal

00:29:42.049 --> 00:29:45.009
Firearms podcast, this podcast is for people

00:29:45.009 --> 00:29:48.329
who have other bills in life and maybe buying

00:29:48.329 --> 00:29:51.089
guns isn't the be -all, end -all of their existence.

00:29:51.589 --> 00:29:56.309
So even if I'm conceptually aligned with the

00:29:56.309 --> 00:29:58.390
idea that I need to give money to organizations.

00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.039
I mean, how does a person decide with lots of

00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:03.539
different, I mean, particularly you mentioned,

00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:06.000
I mean, maybe in a non -attributional way you

00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.240
don't want to go there, but there are no compromise

00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.799
groups out there that I did not list that, you

00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.160
know, think that maybe the NRA is the centrist

00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.960
of all evil because they're not also, you know,

00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.680
have a history of no compromise. How does the

00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.220
average person decide where to spend their money?

00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.859
Well, I think a piece of that is, you know, I

00:30:28.859 --> 00:30:30.900
just had an internet battle with somebody because

00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:32.720
they're like, oh, the Hughes Amendment. NRA was

00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:35.500
behind the Hughes Amendment. And I'm going to

00:30:35.500 --> 00:30:39.220
say that was 1986, and I do not have the research

00:30:39.220 --> 00:30:42.599
to be able to say why or what. But in a lot of

00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.079
cases, you don't know what else is going on.

00:30:45.140 --> 00:30:48.779
You don't know what else is on the table. And

00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:54.480
the key, I think, to the NRA, and I... I am one

00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:56.380
of these people that I tell people, here's how

00:30:56.380 --> 00:31:00.400
I spend my money. I'm a life member of the NRA.

00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.079
I'm also a life member of Second Amendment, SAF,

00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.359
Second Amendment Foundation, who does most, when

00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.339
you absolutely have to sue someone, SAF is the

00:31:10.339 --> 00:31:15.309
group that does it. And I join and I'm involved

00:31:15.309 --> 00:31:18.230
in my state organization. So that's the three

00:31:18.230 --> 00:31:21.829
tier that I play. I also interact and do speaking

00:31:21.829 --> 00:31:24.990
engagements and training stuff with folks from

00:31:24.990 --> 00:31:28.809
the gun owners of America. And so I probably

00:31:28.809 --> 00:31:32.369
talk to Eric Pratt two or three times a year

00:31:32.369 --> 00:31:35.450
in different places that we are in the same place

00:31:35.450 --> 00:31:41.599
talking about the same issues kind of work. The

00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.640
thing I think that people need to know is that

00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:49.680
the NRA has a seat at the table. And in a lot

00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:53.420
of cases, the no compromise groups don't even

00:31:53.420 --> 00:31:56.440
get to be in the room. Yep. It's exactly as I

00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:58.000
mentioned up front. If you don't have a seat

00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.559
at the table, you don't matter. Right. Period.

00:32:00.740 --> 00:32:04.180
But the NRA is there at the table negotiating,

00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.799
working with them, seeing what else is being

00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.109
offered. And in some cases... The folks who roll

00:32:11.109 --> 00:32:13.710
stuff out, and I'm not saying about the Hughes

00:32:13.710 --> 00:32:15.869
men, because I don't know about that, but I do

00:32:15.869 --> 00:32:18.150
know other ones where they're like, well, the

00:32:18.150 --> 00:32:21.990
NRA agreed to this. Yeah, because there was 10

00:32:21.990 --> 00:32:25.509
horrible things that were coming down the pike,

00:32:25.650 --> 00:32:30.410
and they negotiated it down to one horrible thing.

00:32:31.250 --> 00:32:33.369
And then people are like, well, the NRA backed

00:32:33.369 --> 00:32:37.460
that. Yeah, and they blocked nine others. So

00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:40.619
can we gain ground again? I'm from Ohio. Ohio

00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:43.599
is my state. When they went to pass the concealed

00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:47.039
carry in 2004, there were some no compromise

00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.200
groups that said, well, the concealed carry bill

00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:53.720
of 2004 was unacceptable because it had some

00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:55.599
things that they didn't like that you had to

00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:58.619
have when you got in your car, in a holster,

00:32:58.619 --> 00:33:00.859
on your person, in plain sight. And that was

00:33:00.859 --> 00:33:03.000
just crazy. So they wouldn't back it because

00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.319
of that. Well, we wouldn't have had it. it's

00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.420
either a yes or no, we wouldn't have had it.

00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:11.779
And so instead, with compromise, we took that.

00:33:12.019 --> 00:33:16.259
We, other people, not me, I was not intimately

00:33:16.259 --> 00:33:18.480
involved in the negotiations, but the state of

00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.819
Ohio accepted that. And then they modified it

00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:25.619
again in 2007, 2008, 2011, 2013, and they fine

00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:28.480
-tuned it. Because the first choice was a binary,

00:33:28.619 --> 00:33:31.339
yes or no. The second one was, do we change this,

00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:33.900
do we change that? It's a completely different

00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:36.440
question. right you want to get what you can

00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:40.880
then you can build off of that so it's important

00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:43.759
i think that the public opinion of the nra too

00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:45.940
because if members don't fully understand what's

00:33:45.940 --> 00:33:49.319
going on the public isn't and it's important

00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.160
that the public understands that nra good nra

00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.359
protect second member protect first amendment

00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.299
so we can speak you know so it's people that

00:33:58.299 --> 00:34:01.079
the whole population needs to have a good positive

00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.940
perspective and uh That yields a bigger hammer

00:34:04.940 --> 00:34:07.740
in the court of public opinion. But that's probably

00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:10.500
where the failure to market has come in. I mean,

00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:13.900
we all understand. I'll point out, I'll remind

00:34:13.900 --> 00:34:16.480
people that, you know, Frugal Firearms podcast

00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.039
is not at its core a political podcast because

00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.619
we think that self -defense, you know, all the

00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:25.840
amendments are fundamental to you no matter what

00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.840
party you belong to. However, that said, as I

00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.980
mentioned, my observation over my years is that.

00:34:32.250 --> 00:34:35.329
The conservative side of the equation tends to

00:34:35.329 --> 00:34:39.610
be, you could be 99 % and you're 0%. The left,

00:34:39.670 --> 00:34:43.329
to their credit, frankly, is better at understanding

00:34:43.329 --> 00:34:45.969
if I have a 51 % candidate, I'll take the 51

00:34:45.969 --> 00:34:49.289
% that he agrees with me and I'll ignore the

00:34:49.289 --> 00:34:52.090
49 % because incrementally you will get to where

00:34:52.090 --> 00:34:54.449
you want to be in the future. And conservatives,

00:34:54.650 --> 00:34:57.840
I'm not saying that they're... I'm not trying

00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.300
to make a judgment on people's morals and whether

00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:04.300
or not they should be, you know, grounded in

00:35:04.300 --> 00:35:08.039
all their in all their beliefs and that violating

00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.179
any of those, you know, is it means that you've

00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:14.559
given up on those morals. But I think the way

00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.800
the political landscape is compromise is inherent.

00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.360
I mean, look at President Trump. My uncle, by

00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.579
the way, is liberal. and doesn't care for President

00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:26.420
Trump, but he accurately described him as a transactional

00:35:26.420 --> 00:35:28.199
president. And I'd never heard that term before.

00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:33.639
He is there to do deals for the country instead

00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.639
of for his business. But he is a dealmaker, and

00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:40.659
inherent in those actions are compromise. But

00:35:40.659 --> 00:35:43.780
I think, to be critical of the NRA, they have

00:35:43.780 --> 00:35:46.179
not done a good job of getting to Marcus's point

00:35:46.179 --> 00:35:49.260
in the public eye and saying, you know, look,

00:35:49.670 --> 00:35:53.409
We accepted some evil in this bill in order to

00:35:53.409 --> 00:35:58.190
avoid a greater evil. Oh, exactly. But did you

00:35:58.190 --> 00:36:00.769
know that the Bruin decision, the Supreme Court

00:36:00.769 --> 00:36:02.590
Bruin decision, do you know who funded that?

00:36:03.030 --> 00:36:06.610
Well, I would imagine that it's probably a consortium

00:36:06.610 --> 00:36:09.789
of a number of different organizations. And this

00:36:09.789 --> 00:36:13.690
is an audio only podcast and viewers, Amanda

00:36:13.690 --> 00:36:16.489
is shaking her head no. I was waiting for you

00:36:16.489 --> 00:36:18.869
to finish because I didn't want to step on you

00:36:18.869 --> 00:36:23.789
verbally, but no. The NRA funded it in its entirety,

00:36:23.789 --> 00:36:25.809
but they were in the middle of this lawsuit with

00:36:25.809 --> 00:36:29.250
Letitia James, and they never publicized any

00:36:29.250 --> 00:36:33.050
of that. So when you really look at, you know,

00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:36.190
the Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA together

00:36:36.190 --> 00:36:38.190
were working on the Heller case, right? There's

00:36:38.190 --> 00:36:40.090
a lot of groups that work together on a lot of

00:36:40.090 --> 00:36:44.739
cases. But the NRA funded... New York State Rifle

00:36:44.739 --> 00:36:47.500
and Pistol versus Bruin, which I firmly believe

00:36:47.500 --> 00:36:53.539
that is the most important Second Amendment case

00:36:53.539 --> 00:36:57.019
that was heard by the Supreme Court. Can you

00:36:57.019 --> 00:36:58.519
explain it to people who don't know what that

00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:02.760
is about? Okay, yeah, I will. So let's go backwards.

00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:07.719
I mean, the first real gun bill that anybody

00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.190
really thinks about is Heller. And Heller was

00:37:10.190 --> 00:37:14.250
what came out of the Supreme Court in 2008. And

00:37:14.250 --> 00:37:19.130
it was about a guy who was a security guard in

00:37:19.130 --> 00:37:24.210
D .C. that used a gun to provide security for

00:37:24.210 --> 00:37:28.010
the elected officials. And someone came by his

00:37:28.010 --> 00:37:30.510
house and shot through the front of his house.

00:37:30.590 --> 00:37:33.210
And he has a shotgun -style house. And they shot

00:37:33.210 --> 00:37:34.929
through the front of his house and out the back

00:37:34.929 --> 00:37:38.170
of his house. And Heller, Dick Heller, was not

00:37:38.170 --> 00:37:40.829
allowed to take his gun home to protect his wife,

00:37:40.929 --> 00:37:44.130
to protect his home, to protect himself and his

00:37:44.130 --> 00:37:47.070
property. He was not. That was where that was.

00:37:47.210 --> 00:37:50.710
It took 13 years to get through the courts. And

00:37:50.710 --> 00:37:54.909
then the Heller decision came out. Then, you

00:37:54.909 --> 00:37:57.070
know, then there was the McDonald case. And so

00:37:57.070 --> 00:38:00.650
McDonald took it from D .C. to all the states

00:38:00.650 --> 00:38:02.469
because he brought it. Otis McDonald brought

00:38:02.469 --> 00:38:06.230
it to Chicago and Illinois and said that, you

00:38:06.230 --> 00:38:09.530
know, having a gun, it's the start of self -defense

00:38:09.530 --> 00:38:11.210
as a human right. And you have that ability.

00:38:12.030 --> 00:38:16.369
Then this case, the Bruin case, says that these

00:38:16.369 --> 00:38:18.429
gun laws that are being sprinkled all over the

00:38:18.429 --> 00:38:22.320
United States. are unconstitutional if they were

00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:27.300
not in place in history, text, or tradition in

00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:32.539
1791. And so it has given us the ability that,

00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:35.480
frankly, you're going to see in your lifetime

00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:39.539
the peelback of the NFA from 1934. You're going

00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:44.019
to see the peelback of the ATF from 1968. You're

00:38:44.019 --> 00:38:47.900
going to see the Hughes Amendment and machine

00:38:47.900 --> 00:38:50.260
guns and machine gun ownership. You're going

00:38:50.260 --> 00:38:53.639
to see all of that stuff shift. There have been,

00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.380
there's multiple cases right now, Michael Cargill

00:38:57.380 --> 00:39:01.059
and the case with, I mean, bump stocks and reset

00:39:01.059 --> 00:39:04.219
triggers and short -barreled rifles and all of

00:39:04.219 --> 00:39:06.440
this type of stuff that's coming through the

00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:11.619
courts. That is all happening because of the

00:39:11.619 --> 00:39:17.269
Bruin decision. There are 1 ,600 court cases

00:39:17.269 --> 00:39:20.090
that have worked their way through the courts

00:39:20.090 --> 00:39:23.849
and been heard and decided on that cited Bruin

00:39:23.849 --> 00:39:27.809
as part of their explanation, as part of their

00:39:27.809 --> 00:39:33.809
defense. And that is from June of 2022 to about

00:39:33.809 --> 00:39:37.360
two months ago, so the beginning of 2025. 1 ,600

00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.519
cases. That's how important the Bruin case is.

00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.440
But nobody knows that the NRA funded it, put

00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.440
it together, and made it happen. I'm kind of

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.639
embarrassed that actually I didn't know that

00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.059
it was mostly their funding or all their funding.

00:39:54.820 --> 00:39:57.659
It's because we didn't tell you. It's not your

00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:02.110
fault you didn't know. Our fault you didn't know.

00:40:02.190 --> 00:40:05.389
I found out something today, too. Did you know,

00:40:05.550 --> 00:40:08.050
and this I didn't know, and I have been talking

00:40:08.050 --> 00:40:12.969
guns since 2010. I do two hours of gun talk every

00:40:12.969 --> 00:40:16.130
week. I did not know that the person who put

00:40:16.130 --> 00:40:18.909
the sunset, the 10 -year sunset in the Clinton

00:40:18.909 --> 00:40:23.929
gun ban from 1994 was an NRA employee. I'd forgotten

00:40:23.929 --> 00:40:27.409
all about that. I actually had a gun not show

00:40:27.409 --> 00:40:29.690
up because of that ban. It was already on the

00:40:29.690 --> 00:40:31.889
import. It made it as far as New Orleans and

00:40:31.889 --> 00:40:34.829
never got to me. Never got there. And then got

00:40:34.829 --> 00:40:37.769
turned around and sent back. I mean, we all lived

00:40:37.769 --> 00:40:41.090
with the pre -ban, post -ban things. But the

00:40:41.090 --> 00:40:44.110
fact that it sunset and rolled out says that

00:40:44.110 --> 00:40:47.670
we're winning in the gun. We're winning in gun

00:40:47.670 --> 00:40:51.110
laws and those type of things. We started peeling

00:40:51.110 --> 00:40:55.409
back. In 1990, well, in 2004, when that sunset.

00:40:55.710 --> 00:40:57.829
No, I was just gonna say, and so we're winning.

00:40:57.969 --> 00:41:01.710
And it feels like we're not sometimes, because

00:41:01.710 --> 00:41:04.510
all we're focused on is the bad stuff. But when

00:41:04.510 --> 00:41:06.829
you look at how many states have constitutional

00:41:06.829 --> 00:41:10.110
carry, you look at how many states are involved

00:41:10.110 --> 00:41:13.329
in things to where they really are defining that

00:41:13.329 --> 00:41:16.750
self -defense is a human right. It makes the

00:41:16.750 --> 00:41:19.730
other states look bad, but it identifies that

00:41:19.730 --> 00:41:22.449
they are the anomaly. See, we're both engineers,

00:41:22.590 --> 00:41:25.110
Amanda. So you and I maybe think along the same

00:41:25.110 --> 00:41:27.289
lines, because that was a perfect segue into

00:41:27.289 --> 00:41:30.989
what I almost interrupted you on, which was this,

00:41:30.989 --> 00:41:34.309
that, I mean, we're in California, you know,

00:41:34.329 --> 00:41:38.289
Ken and I live in the San Diego area. And sometimes

00:41:38.289 --> 00:41:40.110
it doesn't feel like we're getting very far.

00:41:40.210 --> 00:41:42.869
But, you know, I can see you look at a map of

00:41:42.869 --> 00:41:45.489
not just voting, but the way constitutional carry

00:41:45.489 --> 00:41:47.969
has gone and things like that. And I think that

00:41:47.969 --> 00:41:50.210
maybe people don't appreciate the fact that.

00:41:50.650 --> 00:41:53.010
So affecting things on the national level does

00:41:53.010 --> 00:41:55.829
over time affect things on the state level because

00:41:55.829 --> 00:41:58.150
it's like, well, why is this one state an outlier?

00:41:58.210 --> 00:42:00.349
Why are they doing things differently? And eventually

00:42:00.349 --> 00:42:04.329
it does pay dividends in even states like California,

00:42:04.469 --> 00:42:07.409
where I'm at, where it's slow rolled. I'll tell

00:42:07.409 --> 00:42:09.650
you that. And we wish the progress was faster.

00:42:10.010 --> 00:42:13.130
But once you get victories, I mean, it's essentially

00:42:13.130 --> 00:42:16.469
I want to say it's like the Alamo situation where,

00:42:16.550 --> 00:42:18.170
you know, you take one wall and then you take

00:42:18.170 --> 00:42:19.730
the other walls. I mean, that's that's kind of

00:42:19.730 --> 00:42:23.079
a dark. way to look at it. But in a sense, it

00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:26.360
is that, that California is maybe holding out

00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:30.360
against the tide of public opinion and eventually

00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.659
will cave on the things that they do wrong. And

00:42:34.659 --> 00:42:38.199
I think you're right. And so I think that, I

00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.159
mean, you guys have firearms policy coalition

00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:45.260
in the heart of your... I mean, they're from

00:42:45.260 --> 00:42:49.260
California. And I'll tell all your listeners,

00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.980
if you guys do X and you don't follow Firearms

00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:57.340
Policy Coalition, they are hysterical. And they

00:42:57.340 --> 00:43:01.539
are, I mean, they have a point and they drive

00:43:01.539 --> 00:43:04.400
it home with a sledgehammer a lot. It is great

00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:09.059
to watch them. The other part that's really great

00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:11.719
is that currently, Firearms Policy Coalition,

00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.739
the Second Amendment Foundation, the NRA, Gun

00:43:14.739 --> 00:43:17.780
Owners of America, those groups are talking to

00:43:17.780 --> 00:43:20.219
one another and working together in a way that

00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:22.420
they haven't worked together in years, years

00:43:22.420 --> 00:43:26.019
and years and years. And so now they're writing

00:43:26.019 --> 00:43:29.070
amicus briefs. for one another they're supporting

00:43:29.070 --> 00:43:31.750
they are talking to one another and this is a

00:43:31.750 --> 00:43:34.489
critical aspect they are talking to one another

00:43:34.489 --> 00:43:38.070
about a court case before it works its way through

00:43:38.070 --> 00:43:40.869
the courts so that they can strategize on which

00:43:40.869 --> 00:43:45.369
is the best case to present to drive a point

00:43:45.369 --> 00:43:48.230
home and and not i mean we all watched the rahimi

00:43:48.230 --> 00:43:53.409
case when he was so not a stellar citizen that

00:43:53.409 --> 00:43:57.250
it was really hard to get behind him And so those

00:43:57.250 --> 00:44:00.949
are the kind of cases where the groups working

00:44:00.949 --> 00:44:06.389
together can potentially promote or put up a

00:44:06.389 --> 00:44:09.449
better case that fulfills a niche that we need

00:44:09.449 --> 00:44:13.409
to chip away at. It's about efficiency and not

00:44:13.409 --> 00:44:16.190
keeping and repeating the same thing, you know,

00:44:16.190 --> 00:44:19.630
taking the friction out of effectively the policies

00:44:19.630 --> 00:44:22.969
you guys want to get in place to protect our

00:44:22.969 --> 00:44:27.309
gun rights, to protect our country. So, as engineers,

00:44:27.550 --> 00:44:29.110
we're making it efficient. We're thinking that

00:44:29.110 --> 00:44:32.690
way. So, yeah, cooperation is much better. When

00:44:32.690 --> 00:44:34.250
ego is getting in the way, then we've got problems.

00:44:34.670 --> 00:44:37.409
Have you ever heard the difference? This sounds

00:44:37.409 --> 00:44:39.190
a little esoteric, but I'll explain it. You know,

00:44:39.210 --> 00:44:43.090
it's the rising tide lifts all boats argument,

00:44:43.289 --> 00:44:45.449
right? Because that's exactly what you're talking

00:44:45.449 --> 00:44:49.469
about, Amanda. I heard a psychological analysis

00:44:49.469 --> 00:44:52.010
of the difference between cats and dogs. Now,

00:44:52.030 --> 00:44:55.030
why does that relate? Cats see the world, apparently.

00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:57.360
And the reason they tend to be somewhat individual

00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.500
is they view the world overall as a limited pie.

00:45:01.980 --> 00:45:04.199
The pie is not going to get bigger. Therefore,

00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:06.599
I have to protect my own piece of pie. Dogs see

00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.840
the world as an unlimited asset. And therefore,

00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:13.179
bigger packs mean survival because the pie gets

00:45:13.179 --> 00:45:15.800
bigger. The opportunity space grows. So I think

00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:18.460
that this is maybe slightly analogous to that

00:45:18.460 --> 00:45:21.829
where now the. heretofore competing organizations

00:45:21.829 --> 00:45:24.409
that were begging for your money are now seeing

00:45:24.409 --> 00:45:27.769
that everyone is helped as long as they work

00:45:27.769 --> 00:45:30.610
together. And perhaps from the business side

00:45:30.610 --> 00:45:32.929
of things, perhaps their funding lines are better

00:45:32.929 --> 00:45:37.969
as well. Yeah. And I'm not familiar enough to

00:45:37.969 --> 00:45:40.690
be able to say yes or no, but I think that that's

00:45:40.690 --> 00:45:44.969
a very logical thing. And I think here's one

00:45:44.969 --> 00:45:47.730
of the analogies that I look at is to the outside

00:45:47.730 --> 00:45:51.250
world, the Second Amendment. is a singular block

00:45:51.250 --> 00:45:54.929
of people. They are, you know, they're all Second

00:45:54.929 --> 00:45:58.550
Amendment people. And instead, I look at the

00:45:58.550 --> 00:46:01.769
Second Amendment groups as the Olympic rings.

00:46:02.869 --> 00:46:04.809
Somebody's the white ring, somebody else is the

00:46:04.809 --> 00:46:06.849
yellow ring, somebody else is the blue ring.

00:46:06.969 --> 00:46:10.989
And so they all touch in some manner. But in

00:46:10.989 --> 00:46:13.349
some cases, whatever's happening over here in

00:46:13.349 --> 00:46:15.510
this white ring, nobody over in the green ring

00:46:15.510 --> 00:46:18.150
has ever interacted with them or knew them or

00:46:18.150 --> 00:46:21.510
knows of them or anything. And so you can be

00:46:21.510 --> 00:46:24.769
a Second Amendment person in your ring, but when

00:46:24.769 --> 00:46:26.650
the outside world looks at you, they're looking

00:46:26.650 --> 00:46:30.449
at the whole logo. And so part of what we need

00:46:30.449 --> 00:46:32.849
to be doing is making sure that the different

00:46:32.849 --> 00:46:36.300
colors work together, that they... cross over

00:46:36.300 --> 00:46:38.079
and they talk to one another and they're welcoming

00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:41.280
and they're, they're involved. And so that's,

00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.340
that's a piece of it. I mean, I, I spend a lot

00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:47.340
of time with, with a lot, with a lot of, I, I

00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:49.599
say that I'm like Switzerland. I talk to a lot

00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.239
of, a lot of the groups that I, I speak at their

00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.559
events and, and different things for that reason.

00:46:54.989 --> 00:46:56.949
I'm out and about and I'm talking to people and

00:46:56.949 --> 00:46:59.969
I'm doing things. And especially now where we're

00:46:59.969 --> 00:47:03.510
trying to get people to vote for this elected

00:47:03.510 --> 00:47:05.210
new NRA. And people are like, well, why do I

00:47:05.210 --> 00:47:07.210
vote for this person? Why don't I vote for that

00:47:07.210 --> 00:47:09.730
person? I've heard this other person's name.

00:47:09.869 --> 00:47:12.070
And it's like, well, in some cases you've heard

00:47:12.070 --> 00:47:15.510
their name. They are famous for something, but

00:47:15.510 --> 00:47:18.230
they're not necessarily the people that we need

00:47:18.230 --> 00:47:21.110
right now. Well, the important thing on your

00:47:21.110 --> 00:47:25.800
coalition that you've got, that website for you

00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:28.139
make it easy for people. We've vetted everybody.

00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.599
This is how we stand as a group. And so it really,

00:47:31.659 --> 00:47:34.500
it's hard to evaluate that many people, but you've

00:47:34.500 --> 00:47:37.739
got made it really easy. If you vote this group

00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:41.019
in as a group, you're going to win. Well, what,

00:47:41.059 --> 00:47:44.260
okay. What is winning? Look, what do I get as

00:47:44.260 --> 00:47:46.780
an NRA member who didn't know about this website

00:47:46.780 --> 00:47:50.460
before? What do I get for voting your way? So

00:47:50.460 --> 00:47:54.340
it's really, it's really the, You get a stronger

00:47:54.340 --> 00:47:59.280
NRA. You get an NRA that is going to go back

00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:01.699
to some of the services that they had. You get

00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:04.340
an NRA that's expanding their training and education.

00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:09.579
You get an NRA that it matters what the NRA endorsement

00:48:09.579 --> 00:48:12.780
is for the politicians. You get a strong and

00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:15.719
healthy NRA that is the first line of defense

00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.219
in the Second Amendment stuff. That's what you

00:48:19.219 --> 00:48:21.739
get. And that's what we need is a strong and

00:48:21.739 --> 00:48:25.500
healthy. nra so that being the case going back

00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:29.519
to your your five rings analogy um just trying

00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.619
to understand it myself and help the listeners

00:48:32.619 --> 00:48:36.559
understand it let's say would one ring be hunters

00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.440
and one ring be the tactical guys and one ring

00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.019
be just the self -defense you know mom with you

00:48:43.019 --> 00:48:45.519
know something that she carries in her purse

00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:48.019
and because sometimes there's been i've seen

00:48:48.019 --> 00:48:50.760
this myself antagonism over the years over well

00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:53.059
i'm a duck hunter and i don't think anyone should

00:48:53.059 --> 00:48:56.400
have you know a big magazine because you know

00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:58.900
you don't need that and and therefore it creates

00:48:58.900 --> 00:49:01.440
schisms within the organization is that what

00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.639
you meant by these different factions because

00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:06.889
it could be that Drawing these people together,

00:49:07.210 --> 00:49:09.750
I mean, a lot of these people, I hate to say

00:49:09.750 --> 00:49:12.829
it, are older and hard to manipulate in their

00:49:12.829 --> 00:49:15.289
opinions. Well, and I don't want to manipulate

00:49:15.289 --> 00:49:16.949
their opinions. I want to have an opportunity

00:49:16.949 --> 00:49:20.190
to speak to them. And what I found was that it

00:49:20.190 --> 00:49:24.099
started where I was looking at... at podcasters

00:49:24.099 --> 00:49:27.300
and bloggers and writers and that type of a thing.

00:49:27.460 --> 00:49:31.699
And when you start to look at them, there's a

00:49:31.699 --> 00:49:33.500
group that travels in this circle and then there's

00:49:33.500 --> 00:49:36.340
a group that travels in this circle. And I will

00:49:36.340 --> 00:49:39.260
bet that you and most of your listeners have

00:49:39.260 --> 00:49:44.719
never heard of my show, right? So it is an opportunity

00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:50.019
for my ring to step over and touch yours, right?

00:49:50.139 --> 00:49:53.110
I mean, in that kind of a thing. Because, I mean,

00:49:53.130 --> 00:49:56.489
I have a friend who the only thing he listens

00:49:56.489 --> 00:50:00.230
to is firearms podcasts. The only thing. And

00:50:00.230 --> 00:50:02.849
he'll be like, oh, well, I heard this on this

00:50:02.849 --> 00:50:04.909
show. I was like, I've never met that person.

00:50:05.030 --> 00:50:07.369
I don't know that person. It doesn't mean that

00:50:07.369 --> 00:50:09.250
they're not doing something. They're just not

00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:13.800
in my circle. if you will. And so expanding our

00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.659
horizons and expanding our circles, I just want

00:50:16.659 --> 00:50:18.960
to plant that seed that people understand that

00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.059
there are other people in the circle that the

00:50:21.059 --> 00:50:23.320
outside world looks at us like we're all together.

00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:25.639
And we're like, we don't even know those people.

00:50:25.780 --> 00:50:28.679
We don't know what they're fighting for. We don't

00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:32.619
know what they stand for. So the duck hunters

00:50:32.619 --> 00:50:37.980
versus the tactical guys. How about the... All

00:50:37.980 --> 00:50:40.059
of the women's gun groups, right? How many of

00:50:40.059 --> 00:50:42.460
those have you interacted with? You know, and

00:50:42.460 --> 00:50:45.239
how many of the duck hunters interacted with,

00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:48.119
right? So it really is. But when you're talking

00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:50.420
to the outside people, we're all gun owners.

00:50:50.860 --> 00:50:53.639
And so part of this is just knowing that we,

00:50:53.739 --> 00:50:57.260
what do you get is you get a strong NRA that

00:50:57.260 --> 00:51:00.880
stands as the umbrella over all of those. Overarching,

00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:05.449
overreaching. to give that defense and that support.

00:51:05.789 --> 00:51:10.769
Like I said, there's 140, 141 different directions

00:51:10.769 --> 00:51:16.289
that the NRA works. And so that covers the silhouette

00:51:16.289 --> 00:51:18.489
shooters and the sports shooters and the firearms

00:51:18.489 --> 00:51:22.469
trainers and the political junkies and all of

00:51:22.469 --> 00:51:25.010
that kind of stuff. So that's what you get as

00:51:25.010 --> 00:51:28.550
a strong NRA. I mean, it's about kind of communicating

00:51:28.550 --> 00:51:31.590
the message so more people know. the broader

00:51:31.590 --> 00:51:33.889
coalition and joining people together, right?

00:51:33.929 --> 00:51:36.230
90 % of the problems people have is communication.

00:51:36.809 --> 00:51:39.489
So getting the message out, communicating, uniting

00:51:39.489 --> 00:51:41.650
people, right? The devil wants to divide us.

00:51:41.670 --> 00:51:44.969
We want to unite us in the common missions. We

00:51:44.969 --> 00:51:47.730
want to help other people do the things in the

00:51:47.730 --> 00:51:52.190
gun industry that they like doing. Exactly. So

00:51:52.190 --> 00:51:55.349
the thing is, is that if they are one of the

00:51:55.349 --> 00:52:00.619
2 .3 million, NRA members who are voting members,

00:52:00.860 --> 00:52:03.739
in February, their February magazine, they received

00:52:03.739 --> 00:52:08.159
their ballot. And we're asking that they go to

00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.780
find their ballot, go dig it out of the magazine

00:52:10.780 --> 00:52:15.320
stack, and then go to the website electanewnra

00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.380
.com and start reading the bios. You can click

00:52:18.380 --> 00:52:20.460
on every little face and read their bios as to

00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:22.639
who they are and what they are. But know that

00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.159
we've worked with them, we've vetted them, we've

00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.800
talked to them. And in some cases, they were

00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:31.519
not nominated by the nominating committee. We

00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:36.960
ran petitions and got wet signatures of life

00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:38.840
members. So we had to go all over the United

00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:42.159
States and find NRA members to sign to get these

00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:45.320
people on the ballot. There was a lot of work

00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:48.059
and effort went into this because of how critical

00:52:48.059 --> 00:52:52.099
we think the strength of the NRA is. I think

00:52:52.099 --> 00:52:54.659
I'm one of the people who opted out of receiving

00:52:54.659 --> 00:52:57.639
a print magazine. Because I generally don't read

00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:01.940
them, and I end up just recycling it, and I didn't

00:53:01.940 --> 00:53:05.199
want to burden the organization with a cost that

00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.840
is not going to be appreciated. Okay, but you

00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.659
did get a magazine for the February edition.

00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.340
Even if you elected not to get a magazine, in

00:53:14.340 --> 00:53:17.380
February you got one, because it was actually

00:53:17.380 --> 00:53:21.019
cheaper for them to mail you a magazine than

00:53:21.019 --> 00:53:23.960
it was to mail you a first -class letter with

00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.199
your ballot in it. I see. Well, that does make

00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:27.579
sense because they're getting bulk rates and

00:53:27.579 --> 00:53:29.599
things like that. Correct. It's part of just

00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:33.159
the normal flow and things like that. Okay, let's

00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:35.239
play devil's advocate. Someone threw their magazine

00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:39.320
out. Okay. Didn't notice the ballot. I'm wondering,

00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:42.820
Craig, was that you? I didn't say it was me,

00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:46.099
Marcus. I did not say that. But let's just say

00:53:46.099 --> 00:53:49.739
that happens. Is there a way to either vote online

00:53:49.739 --> 00:53:53.039
or request a ballot? No, you have to – there

00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:56.239
is a way. To request a ballot, you cannot vote

00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.880
online. So it is that you will have to call the

00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:04.139
NRA headquarters and ask for a new ballot, and

00:54:04.139 --> 00:54:06.199
they will send them out. But the deadline for

00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.659
the ballots is April. They have to have them

00:54:09.659 --> 00:54:13.880
in at the sorting facility through the postal

00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:17.619
system by April 6th, I believe it is. So we're

00:54:17.619 --> 00:54:19.940
really talking about very little time. You've

00:54:19.940 --> 00:54:22.400
got a month. Yeah. Well, how long do you think

00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:24.420
the processing time is to get ballots out for

00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:28.579
those, again, who might need one? I do not know,

00:54:28.659 --> 00:54:30.480
but I'm going to tell you I am one of those people

00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:34.820
who needs one because I, for some reason, my

00:54:34.820 --> 00:54:38.199
address got changed. Oh, not because you threw

00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:40.320
your ballot out, too. I did not throw my ballot

00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:42.300
away. You knew that the election was coming,

00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:44.920
so you wouldn't have done that. Well, what was

00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:47.559
funny was I thought I didn't get my December

00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:50.519
magazine. And I thought my husband threw it away.

00:54:51.300 --> 00:54:56.340
So I didn't say anything, right? Then I didn't

00:54:56.340 --> 00:54:58.260
get the January magazine and I was like, hmm.

00:54:58.659 --> 00:55:00.659
And then when I didn't get the February magazine,

00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:03.980
I'm like, I called and they said, oh, well, yeah,

00:55:04.059 --> 00:55:07.280
this is your address. And I said, no, it wasn't.

00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.699
It isn't. Marcus is going to say something now.

00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:12.460
I know he's going to say something about this

00:55:12.460 --> 00:55:15.719
is a conspiracy. They're after you. They're trying

00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:20.800
to disenfranchise you. It's in my way, but I

00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.880
just sent Amanda a starter kit so that she can

00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:27.599
play around with our products and then tell everybody

00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.420
in the planet about them. But it got somehow

00:55:30.420 --> 00:55:32.460
messed up in the shipping address. So she's telling

00:55:32.460 --> 00:55:35.260
the truth. The post office sent it back, too,

00:55:35.460 --> 00:55:39.559
is what happened. And so in both cases, my post

00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:43.710
office loves me. We'll just say. So anyway, OK,

00:55:43.829 --> 00:55:46.769
do you have any closing remarks, things like

00:55:46.769 --> 00:55:49.309
that? I mean, I do want you and by the way, this

00:55:49.309 --> 00:55:51.349
is your opportunity to talk about, you know,

00:55:51.349 --> 00:55:53.389
I'm talking about my podcast here. I've talked

00:55:53.389 --> 00:55:57.130
about Marcus's exemplary products that any serious

00:55:57.130 --> 00:56:01.010
person who's a gun owner or a car owner, frankly,

00:56:01.190 --> 00:56:03.590
should be buying. What do you what would you

00:56:03.590 --> 00:56:05.849
like to promote here as we get to the end of

00:56:05.849 --> 00:56:08.500
the show? Well, I want to really encourage people

00:56:08.500 --> 00:56:12.280
to, if you are not a member of the NRA, to consider

00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.420
joining. And that if you are a member of the

00:56:15.420 --> 00:56:17.639
NRA and you're a voting member, please, please

00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:20.860
vote. And then I'd like to encourage everybody

00:56:20.860 --> 00:56:25.320
to check out my podcast, to go to my website

00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:29.199
or to look where podcasts are. And it's called

00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:32.679
Eye on the Target Radio. And so the website is

00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:35.519
Eye on the Target Radio 2. I am the only female.

00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.280
nationally syndicated Second Amendment host in

00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:42.940
the nation. Nice. And just for people, just so

00:56:42.940 --> 00:56:46.480
they're paying attention here, I is E -Y -E and

00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:49.900
not the letter I. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Marcus,

00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:52.619
got any closing comments for us today? Yeah,

00:56:52.739 --> 00:56:56.119
I think anyone that listened to this should understand

00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:59.690
the scope of the problem. and getting everything

00:56:59.690 --> 00:57:01.829
correct. We got good people willing to do the

00:57:01.829 --> 00:57:03.869
work. They are working. It's hard. It's complicated.

00:57:04.309 --> 00:57:07.389
And they're working. They put this together for

00:57:07.389 --> 00:57:10.630
not just themselves, for us, for the whole country.

00:57:10.730 --> 00:57:12.710
And the whole world is affected by our country,

00:57:12.849 --> 00:57:15.829
right? We're going in the right direction. Thank

00:57:15.829 --> 00:57:20.769
God for getting Trump where he's at. But I think

00:57:20.769 --> 00:57:23.429
anybody that hears this should, you know, think

00:57:23.429 --> 00:57:25.530
about it, understand it, and they should share

00:57:25.530 --> 00:57:29.480
this podcast. to educate other people, even if

00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:32.099
they're not gun people, just to what's going

00:57:32.099 --> 00:57:34.159
on. But if they are gun people, for sure, share

00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:36.980
it with them. And if they're NRA members, they

00:57:36.980 --> 00:57:39.079
should absolutely encourage them to vote because

00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:41.139
they probably don't know all this information

00:57:41.139 --> 00:57:43.599
and it will make a difference and they will want

00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.469
to get involved. And I will remind the listeners

00:57:46.469 --> 00:57:48.750
of what Amanda said right at the front end of

00:57:48.750 --> 00:57:51.289
the show, that the voting in the last election

00:57:51.289 --> 00:57:54.449
was, you said, 77 ,000 out of how many million

00:57:54.449 --> 00:57:58.349
people? 2 .3 million. So boil that down to a

00:57:58.349 --> 00:58:00.570
percentage. And if you think your vote doesn't

00:58:00.570 --> 00:58:03.489
count, then you take a look at how much, you

00:58:03.489 --> 00:58:05.690
know, even a single vote matters when you're

00:58:05.690 --> 00:58:07.289
talking about very small percentage returns.

00:58:07.489 --> 00:58:10.389
And even if this turnout the vote effort doubles.

00:58:10.989 --> 00:58:12.889
I mean, that would be fantastic. And statistically,

00:58:13.210 --> 00:58:15.190
it probably won't happen. Even if you doubled

00:58:15.190 --> 00:58:17.429
the amount of people voting, it's still a tiny

00:58:17.429 --> 00:58:20.530
fraction of people making decisions on something

00:58:20.530 --> 00:58:22.389
that you've invested in. And speaking of the

00:58:22.389 --> 00:58:24.269
investment, Amanda, I did want to ask this question.

00:58:24.730 --> 00:58:27.949
At what level would you, I mean, any level is

00:58:27.949 --> 00:58:29.849
better than no level, but at what level would

00:58:29.849 --> 00:58:32.949
you recommend people join at? And are there reasons

00:58:32.949 --> 00:58:36.869
to go to higher levels? So, you know, here's

00:58:36.869 --> 00:58:42.409
how I did it, because I am, I am a squeaker,

00:58:42.449 --> 00:58:46.670
as my family calls me. So I am so frugal, I squeak.

00:58:48.690 --> 00:58:54.170
So when I joined as a life member, I looked at

00:58:54.170 --> 00:58:56.590
it and went, I can't see a time when I'm not

00:58:56.590 --> 00:58:59.889
going to be a member. So I joined as a life member,

00:59:00.070 --> 00:59:03.889
and I did it in a payment plan so that you just

00:59:03.889 --> 00:59:08.119
pay money per month until it's paid off. And

00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:11.559
so that was that was the way that I did it. And

00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:15.760
then I worked my way through when I got a raise

00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:19.119
at work, when I got a promotion at work, that

00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:23.059
I would go and I would step up in a level with

00:59:23.059 --> 00:59:26.679
the NRA. Because to me, for me personally, the

00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:30.840
NRA, I am a one issue person, a one issue voter.

00:59:31.019 --> 00:59:34.019
This is this is my issue. And it has been my

00:59:34.019 --> 00:59:37.949
issue for for. 25 years, 30 years, you know,

00:59:37.969 --> 00:59:42.909
just of that level. And so I would just creep

00:59:42.909 --> 00:59:45.690
up on it because, you know, at the same time,

00:59:45.710 --> 00:59:48.989
you've got a house and kids and a dog and a car

00:59:48.989 --> 00:59:51.469
and, you know, all of that kind of stuff. And

00:59:51.469 --> 00:59:56.550
so it just, you know, there are places and there

00:59:56.550 --> 00:59:59.070
are things where you see people say, well, I'll

00:59:59.070 --> 01:00:01.789
buy a $350 ticket for this or I'll buy something

01:00:01.789 --> 01:00:06.199
for that. And I'm just like, I'm not. And so

01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:10.820
I respect every dollar that every member shares

01:00:10.820 --> 01:00:16.699
with us. And if there is a level, it's if you

01:00:16.699 --> 01:00:21.440
can get to a life member, that helps us tremendously.

01:00:21.940 --> 01:00:27.139
And then every level after that just shows confidence

01:00:27.139 --> 01:00:31.489
and pride. and focus on how important the Second

01:00:31.489 --> 01:00:34.570
Amendment is to you and your family and yourselves.

01:00:34.949 --> 01:00:36.949
And I hope you listeners understand that the

01:00:36.949 --> 01:00:39.429
reason that what she said about being a life

01:00:39.429 --> 01:00:42.070
member or better is important is the fact that

01:00:42.070 --> 01:00:46.030
that allows the NRA to legitimately claim their

01:00:46.030 --> 01:00:49.989
representation. year over year and gives them

01:00:49.989 --> 01:00:52.389
the lobbying power that they need. And I'll remind

01:00:52.389 --> 01:00:54.469
people of something else I did before the other

01:00:54.469 --> 01:00:56.969
election and before the November election. If

01:00:56.969 --> 01:01:01.110
you do not vote, you do not have much of a right

01:01:01.110 --> 01:01:03.650
to complain. Now, you can complain all you want

01:01:03.650 --> 01:01:06.010
if things don't go the way you want. But if you

01:01:06.010 --> 01:01:08.469
don't even participate in the process, then you've

01:01:08.469 --> 01:01:11.889
sidelined yourself and you shouldn't feel bad

01:01:11.889 --> 01:01:15.289
when you get results that you didn't want. Marcus,

01:01:15.409 --> 01:01:19.239
Amanda, any parting shots? Get involved. Step

01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:22.559
up, be men, be women, get involved. I think he

01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:24.599
said it. Thank you for your time, Marcus. Thank

01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.360
you for your time, Amanda. Well, listeners, that

01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:30.139
was probably one of our more important shows.

01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.340
Maybe not the most fun show you've listened to

01:01:33.340 --> 01:01:35.780
that we've produced, but probably one of the

01:01:35.780 --> 01:01:38.179
more critical ones. Because again, even though

01:01:38.179 --> 01:01:41.500
we're all about having fun and owning the firearms

01:01:41.500 --> 01:01:43.780
and all the associated accessories and doing

01:01:43.780 --> 01:01:46.480
all the training that we want. There's a lot

01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:50.179
of other countries that this topic just isn't

01:01:50.179 --> 01:01:53.699
that relevant. We know that we have reach across

01:01:53.699 --> 01:01:56.639
the globe in terms of listenership. But I think

01:01:56.639 --> 01:01:58.579
a lot of these listeners are in places where

01:01:58.579 --> 01:02:00.280
they can only imagine what it would be like to

01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:03.039
have the freedoms that we have. So if you want

01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.579
to preserve those freedoms. it does take some

01:02:05.579 --> 01:02:07.659
investment on your part. And I don't necessarily

01:02:07.659 --> 01:02:10.719
mean only financial. I mean the act of voting,

01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:13.719
the act of selecting the right candidates. And

01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.980
in this context, I mean, the November election

01:02:15.980 --> 01:02:19.920
is over, but now we have the NRA election coming

01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.860
up. And if you fail to participate in that, then

01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:26.480
maybe you go back to the old NRA that. really,

01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:29.059
you weren't proud of saying that I am the NRA.

01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:31.320
Let's get it back to that point. It takes very

01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:33.719
little effort on your part, and you'll be rewarded.

01:02:33.940 --> 01:02:37.079
And by the way, future generations will be rewarded

01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:39.559
for your effort as well. So I'd like to close

01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:43.519
out by reminding you the website, frugalfirearmspodcast

01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:46.860
.com, which has all the links to... Not only

01:02:46.860 --> 01:02:50.039
our email, which is frugalfirearmspodcast at

01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:52.780
gmail .com, but also all the shows that are posted.

01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:56.820
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01:02:56.820 --> 01:02:59.119
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01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.760
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01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:05.119
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01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.300
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01:03:07.300 --> 01:03:10.880
we do here and why we do it. Looking forward

01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:15.170
to our next guest, which is planned to be. CCW

01:03:15.170 --> 01:03:17.949
Safe, the president of CCW Safe, should be joining

01:03:17.949 --> 01:03:20.309
us to talk about another really critical topic.

01:03:20.429 --> 01:03:23.389
And if you haven't given thought to carry insurance,

01:03:23.690 --> 01:03:25.250
I'm putting quotes around the word insurance

01:03:25.250 --> 01:03:28.369
because there's different ways that carry coverage,

01:03:28.550 --> 01:03:32.230
so we say is comprised, then this is another

01:03:32.230 --> 01:03:35.230
very big hole that you need to fill. Because

01:03:35.230 --> 01:03:38.409
without that, you operate at significant risk

01:03:38.409 --> 01:03:41.929
every time you carry a gun in public. So thanks

01:03:41.929 --> 01:04:05.170
for listening. Good night. Standby. Dog squeaking

01:04:05.170 --> 01:04:08.869
a toy. Did you guys hear that in the background?

01:04:08.949 --> 01:04:10.510
I have a dog squeaking a toy in the background.

01:04:10.969 --> 01:04:14.170
Okay. That's good. That means Zoom audio processing

01:04:14.170 --> 01:04:18.429
is doing its job. Okay. I'll cut that out. That

01:04:18.429 --> 01:04:19.929
part goes away too.