1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Oh, and did you see the gold plated, um, um, um, oh, what's the word I'm looking for? 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,000 The Barrett? 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,000 RPG. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,000 No, I did not see that. 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Oh, the RPG. 6 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Yeah. 7 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,280 With, with all gold and the rounds were gold plated. 8 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:15,720 Because everyone needs that. 9 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:16,720 No, you don't. 10 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:17,720 I guess. 11 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:46,960 Welcome to episode 14, number 14 of the frugal firearms podcast. 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,920 The podcast designed to help you get the most for your shooting dollar. 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,520 And today's going to be a different kind of show because we spent an awful lot of time 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,760 trying to find you guys the best values out there. 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:58,760 So welcome to the show. 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,840 My cohost, Ken, Ken, say hello to our guests and tell them what we're talking about today. 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:04,840 Welcome. 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,280 I appreciate you all tuning in. 19 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:13,340 Uh, we're going to be talking about our experiences at shot show 20, 25 Las Vegas, Nevada, or 20 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:16,260 some might say lost wages, Nevada. 21 00:01:16,260 --> 00:01:21,720 This episode brought to you by Mantis, uh, people who make in our opinion, the best training 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,360 device in the world. 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,320 It gives you better feedback, more feedback types of feedback. 24 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:30,920 You're not going to get from any other source, including by the way, human instructors. 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,520 Ken, do you think probably the best investment you could make in training? 26 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:35,520 Absolutely. 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:41,080 And actually, uh, we can talk about it now or later, but basically I had already talked 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,320 about Mantis with a trainee I had at the range this morning. 29 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:46,320 At this morning. 30 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:47,320 So you went shooting this morning. 31 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:48,320 What did you do this morning? 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,560 Uh, I, one of the things I do is I'm a, uh, an instructor or a mentor. 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,960 I guess you might call us, uh, for San Diego County gun owners. 34 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:02,780 We go out and, uh, on Saturdays they have a shooting socials and on Sundays they have 35 00:02:02,780 --> 00:02:07,800 guns and Moses, which pretty much focuses on the Jewish community, uh, here in San Diego, 36 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:14,460 who, uh, since October 7th, 2023 has been an uptick in the number of, uh, individuals 37 00:02:14,460 --> 00:02:18,480 who are interested in learning how to, uh, defend themselves. 38 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,880 And I can imagine why, particularly in that community, I suppose. 39 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,120 Sadly, sadly, sadly. 40 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:30,360 So we had a pretty much a full house for every guns and Moses, uh, get together that we 41 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,360 have. 42 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,400 So today we had, I believe it was 18 people, which is pretty much takes up all the lanes, 43 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:41,420 uh, at the 50 yard shooting, uh, Poway weapons and gear, which is a phenomenal, uh, shooting 44 00:02:41,420 --> 00:02:42,920 center here in San Diego. 45 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:45,680 And at least when they opened, I don't know if this is still the case. 46 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:51,160 They claimed to have been the second largest indoor range in the country. 47 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,080 I believe that is, was the claim. 48 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,120 They have a hundred yards indoors. 49 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,120 I know how many places have that. 50 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,120 I know. 51 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,160 And we were on the 50 yard range and we were having a great time. 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,400 I mean, granted, we were typically speaking, shooting, uh, you know, three to 10 yards, 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,320 uh, because of just the level of training that the individual had, but, uh, the person 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,160 was doing really, really well. 55 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,160 Part of that getting back to Mantis. 56 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,160 I tell them, you know, going to the range can be expensive. 57 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,080 I mean, the ammunition is a pricey can be pricey. 58 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,840 The range time can be pricey. 59 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:26,560 So I had exposed him to the fact that Mantis X 10 product, uh, he was unaware of it and 60 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:27,560 he's a new shooter. 61 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,740 He's just really getting, getting into this, into the sport and really into it for self-defense. 62 00:03:32,740 --> 00:03:33,920 And he was very interested in it. 63 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:37,520 So we pulled the great thing about smartphone with a, with an internet connection is we 64 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,960 pulled up that, uh, showed it to him. 65 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:40,960 He was very impressed. 66 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,800 He's going to do a lot of reading and told him to go back and watch some YouTube videos 67 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:44,800 on it. 68 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,160 Uh, I hadn't mentioned this show because they didn't know we'd be talking about it, 69 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,720 but we really should have been having tuned into this show as well. 70 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:51,720 Absolutely. 71 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,720 And, uh, you know, for those who aren't familiar with it, we did do an episode, um, just a 72 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:01,920 couple of episodes ago with Mantis, $250, uh, we'll give you feedback on not only how 73 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:08,080 you shoot well and what you do wrong, but it'll document each and every event in a visual 74 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:15,720 way so that you can see whether you're healing the gun or whether you are anticipating recoil, 75 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,360 what your draw stroke looks like. 76 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,760 And the cool thing is that they come up with new drills regularly. 77 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:26,560 I've had a couple updates, um, just in the last month of the Mantis app and what are 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,560 those updates? 79 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,600 They're not just bug fixes. 80 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Those are actually new drills that are built into it. 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:36,800 And this for $250 MSRP, I believe it's about 250. 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,560 And you know, what are you going to spend on, you know, that's a thousand rounds of 83 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,080 ammunition at 25 cents a round. 84 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,400 If you can even find it at 25 cents a round. 85 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,400 No, no. 86 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,840 I mean, you see you add up range time and, and, and nine millimeter box of 50 or a couple 87 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:56,520 of boxes of 50, it doesn't take long to consume $250. 88 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,520 Exactly. 89 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,960 So anyway, well, the other reason we wanted to mention Mantis was they were gracious enough 90 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,680 to get us into what industry day now, you know, so, so when I mentioned up 91 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:11,960 front that, uh, you know, we're doing the work to help you guys find the best values. 92 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,880 We really did the work because, you know, going to shot show isn't free guys. 93 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,360 Um, you know, there's, uh, at least for us, we're not buying plane fare. 94 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,360 We're driving. 95 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,280 Um, but it's still a bunch of miles, um, still hotel, all the food and everything else. 96 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,280 And is it fun? 97 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:26,280 Yes, it's fun. 98 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:34,080 But our walking, I did 26 and a half miles in four days. 99 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,120 And, uh, and the first day though, um, was industry day that not everyone gets to go 100 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,120 to. 101 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,920 So the gracious people at Mantis invited us to be able to go join them as part of a range 102 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,120 day where we got to see not only their new product, what's interesting for them is that 103 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:54,280 Mantis a company that builds training products is now importing rifles. 104 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:57,760 And do you remember what the spec on that rifle was? 105 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:58,760 Yeah. 106 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,760 One eighth. 107 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:00,760 MOA. 108 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:01,760 One eighth. 109 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:07,960 One eighth minute of angle, which is basically one eighth of an inch at a hundred yards with 110 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,440 premium ammunition. 111 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,480 Which means by the way, if you, yeah, if you run the numbers on this very quickly, let's 112 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:19,320 just say you were shooting a 22 caliber variant of that gun. 113 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,280 And by the way, I don't think that that gun comes into 22 variant, but let's just say 114 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:24,280 it did. 115 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,880 That would still mean that if the gun isn't moving that you're punching a single hole 116 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:35,720 because the bullet diameter is wider, larger than the spec on the gun. 117 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,000 I don't ever have to worry about that because I'm happy to get with three MOA and I'm perfectly 118 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 happy. 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,360 Three inches at a hundred yards. 120 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,160 And sometimes not that. 121 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,200 Range day was phenomenal, but I would like to say we stepped off the bus because we took 122 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,640 the bus, which was provided for us. 123 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Very nice. 124 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,280 It kept nice luxury bus. 125 00:06:54,280 --> 00:07:00,080 It's about 35 minutes outside of Vegas is the range that hosted. 126 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,880 Boulder rifle and pistol club. 127 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,000 Boulder city rifle and pistol club. 128 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,520 So it's halfway between Vegas and Boulder dam or Hoover dam, depends on which one you 129 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,760 call it. 130 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:15,560 But a phenomenal shooting facility with lots of different ranges. 131 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,200 Beautiful. 132 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,760 We just stepped off the bus and I believe it was 37 degrees. 133 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,080 It was 37 degrees with. 134 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,080 We were, we were ready for the temperature. 135 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,920 What we weren't ready for was the wind. 136 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:29,920 Wind chill. 137 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,920 Yeah. 138 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:31,920 Oh my. 139 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:32,920 Yeah. 140 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,520 It, because well, it's the desert and it's winter and we were told we got lucky. 141 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,920 It wasn't raining because I guess in past years it's rained a lot on range day, which 142 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,320 would be a complete drag. 143 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,200 But I think it was about 25 mile. 144 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,720 I'm looking at a video right now. 145 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:52,280 I did post this to our social media earlier, about 25 mile an hour is worth a wind. 146 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,280 Worth wind. 147 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,280 It was cold. 148 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:56,280 Right in our face. 149 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,720 Like right down the right at us. 150 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,080 It was brutally cold. 151 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,480 And I had gloves, but I'm telling you, I needed warmer gloves. 152 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,000 I needed those battery powered gloves. 153 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,000 It was cold. 154 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,560 I know I appreciate those of you who listened to us from the Northern plains of the United 155 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,080 States and Canada, perhaps. 156 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,080 37 is not bad. 157 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,280 We're probably laughing at us, but it's like, we're from San Diego, you know? 158 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,480 So it was cold. 159 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:28,000 And we don't generally go to the range on days that are like that because 10 months 160 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,160 of the year we don't have to. 161 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:36,480 So what were some of the things that we saw at industry day that we really liked besides 162 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,480 the New Mantis? 163 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,020 Oh, absolutely. 164 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:41,020 There were several things. 165 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:46,320 I mean, we had the opportunity of shooting some ammunition, which was interesting. 166 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,120 That was that plastic core ammunition. 167 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,280 I forgot the manufacturer of it. 168 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,560 But it was incredibly lightweight ammunition. 169 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:56,040 It was nine millimeter, but it was like 20 grain ammunition. 170 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,040 It was incredibly lightweight. 171 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,560 It was like a jacket around a plastic core. 172 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:01,560 And we were shooting that. 173 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:06,160 And the reliability and the velocities that were getting out of this were ridiculous. 174 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,480 They were well over 2,000, 2,500 feet per second. 175 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,080 Yeah, out of like a Glock 19. 176 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,480 Yeah, like a Glock 19. 177 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:21,280 And yet when you're firing it, you couldn't really tell that much difference in it. 178 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,960 So anyway, this is specialty ammunition. 179 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,880 It was an opportunity for us to kind of go outside of our frugal aspect of it. 180 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,640 But I'm telling you, it was very interesting to see the technological improvements of some 181 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,560 of the things that they were doing at the show. 182 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:37,560 Now, what was interesting about that ammunition, and this may be a company that we feature 183 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:42,760 in the future on the show, their perspective was dump all the energy very quickly, which 184 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:43,760 is not. 185 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:44,760 Correct. 186 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,520 And then when you come right into it, what's the FBI standard? 187 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,120 12 inches, 12, 14 inches. 188 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,320 Because if you have an oblique target and you're not squared up to them or something 189 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,080 like that, targets can be thicker. 190 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,960 People are wearing clothes and so on. 191 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,800 But the antithesis of that, of course, is over penetration makes you responsible for 192 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,040 things behind it. 193 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,040 Absolutely. 194 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,640 When you fire around ammunition, you are responsible for that bullet wherever it goes. 195 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:15,760 And what was also interesting about that ammunition was the way they did this, folks, is they 196 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,160 put a couple of regular rounds into the magazine first. 197 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,280 And then they followed it with their rounds. 198 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,600 And the sudden drop in recoil was so dramatic. 199 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,600 It was way more than I thought. 200 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,960 I thought, yeah, there's going to be a difference in recoil. 201 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,960 But how much difference in recoil was kind of hard to express, at least you have to feel 202 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,960 it. 203 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,280 You have to feel it, yeah. 204 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:42,160 And then you're not, if you train with that, expensive as that might be, you would not 205 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,480 develop as much recoil anticipation response. 206 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,920 True, true. 207 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,160 But I think it definitely has its place. 208 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:55,000 Obviously, the kickback, hitting it against steel targets, I mean, the recoil of the splash 209 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,360 back was basically none. 210 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,760 So those of you who ever go to range and shoot steel targets, that's a concern. 211 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,920 You always have to be a proper distance away, shooting the proper ammunition. 212 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,960 But yeah, I think it had its place, particularly in a handgun. 213 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:19,880 And I'd like to see some additional tests made on your typical two by four drywall construction 214 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,160 type of thing, because it really was fast. 215 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,160 Good idea. 216 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:29,520 But as soon as it hits something, it immediately dumps its energy and should not over-penetrate 217 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:30,520 at all. 218 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,440 So I'd like to see some additional tests on that type of ammunition. 219 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:34,920 Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. 220 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,160 Anyway, that was one of the things that I thought was fascinating. 221 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:44,260 So the other things that we saw there, at least until we gave up because our limbs were 222 00:11:44,260 --> 00:11:48,400 going numb and came back to warm up. 223 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Four hours we were there. 224 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,400 Yeah, four and a half hours or something like that. 225 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,160 I got to shoot for the first time. 226 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,560 I'd seen it at the show before, but I got to shoot for the very first time. 227 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:05,200 The Laugo Alien, which is an interesting gun because it has a negative bore axis. 228 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,680 In other words, the... 229 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:07,680 Very low in the hand. 230 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:12,000 Yeah, the bore is actually lower than the web of your hand. 231 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:19,360 And they had a limited run of 500 of one particular gun that does not recoil the red dot sight, 232 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,400 the red dot mount. 233 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:27,760 And now what's interesting is you can rack the gun if you want with the red dot sight. 234 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:33,600 But when the gun fires, it disengages that part and then only recoils the slide, but 235 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:40,000 not the red dot, which is better for target reacquisition to an extent, but it also doesn't 236 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,040 beat up on the red dot side as much. 237 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:48,240 And it lowers the amount of reciprocating mass, which then helps again with recoil. 238 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,040 It's also a $6,500 gun now. 239 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,260 Yeah, again, we're kind of breaking. 240 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:57,680 It's really fun to go shows like this because you see the high end stuff and you're like, 241 00:12:57,680 --> 00:12:59,560 this is great. 242 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:02,800 Maybe some of this technology will spill down to us in a few years. 243 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:08,760 But no, that alien pistol was literally was not a frugal. 244 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:09,760 Unfortunately not. 245 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:10,760 Unfortunately not. 246 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,000 So, what else did we see at Range Day? 247 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:21,480 I had an opportunity to fire for the first time a Ruger 1022 with a Franklin Arms binary 248 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:22,480 trigger. 249 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,600 Now, binary triggers are something that are not permitted in the state of California. 250 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,060 And maybe some other states and localities I'm not aware. 251 00:13:31,060 --> 00:13:37,840 But basically, I have fired in the past when I used to be a competition trap shooting. 252 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,920 They have these things called a fire on release. 253 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,880 What that means is when in a trap range where the clay disk is flying up out of the ground 254 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:55,320 up and away from you, you actually pull the trigger on the gun, on the shotgun, and the 255 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,320 gun will not fire. 256 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,600 The gun fires when you release the trigger. 257 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,720 Now on a binary trigger, and that's a target trigger on certain shotguns that had this 258 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,720 technology. 259 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,680 Oh, you're saying this isn't binary. 260 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:08,680 No, no. 261 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:09,680 You're pre-staging? 262 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:13,800 No, this is what my experience was with release triggers. 263 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,420 I'll call it the trigger on release, which is interesting. 264 00:14:18,420 --> 00:14:20,440 I've seen those before, but not often. 265 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,040 But you occasionally see them at trap ranges. 266 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,100 You have to explain it and the person who owned it had to explain exactly how it worked 267 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:28,200 and stuff. 268 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,440 And it's supposed to make you a little bit more accurate on a trap range, trap or skeet 269 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:32,440 range. 270 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,720 Okay. 271 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,000 But the Franklin Arms binary trigger, and they have them for several different firearms, 272 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,880 but I did it on the Ruger 1022, was you had a standard trigger. 273 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:49,120 You had the safety, then you turned the knob 90 degrees, and it was just like your standard 274 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Ruger 1022, you pull the trigger and it had a nice trigger break and it goes bang in one 275 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:54,840 time. 276 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,800 So it's bang on one pull. 277 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,040 And then just standard let go of the trigger, no second shot. 278 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,080 You rotated it an additional 90 degrees and it goes into binary mode, which means the 279 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:11,600 gun will fire when you pull the trigger and when you release the trigger. 280 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:19,200 So it was very interesting to go bang bang and really just pull release, pull release, 281 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,200 pull release. 282 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,280 And if you decide you don't want that to happen, then what do you do? 283 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,240 If you were halfway through, if you decide you don't want that second shot during a 284 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,360 binary trigger, you pull, you get your first bang and you go, oh gee, I don't want the 285 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,640 second shot. 286 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,800 So you then have to, before releasing the trigger, you have to go to the safety and 287 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:44,540 rotate it back either to the single position or all the way to the safe position. 288 00:15:44,540 --> 00:15:47,440 And then you can release your finger without a second shot. 289 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,040 I'm just saying it's fun. 290 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,000 It's fun, but I can almost see the lawyers lining up on this one. 291 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,600 Well, maybe, but they've been selling the trigger now for quite a while and I know Plinkster 292 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,840 22 on YouTube and several others have demoed it. 293 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,160 It's a lot of fun for plinking on things. 294 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,000 And I think there's a use for it. 295 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Yeah. 296 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,880 And a couple of other things we got to see were, even though they're not available in 297 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,880 California, Pepperball guns. 298 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,880 Oh yeah, Berna. 299 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:15,880 Right. 300 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,320 I think they might be available here. 301 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,320 I thought that they were. 302 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,080 No, no, actually I saw the Berna's for sale this morning at the range. 303 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,080 Did you really? 304 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,360 I thought that they weren't a California item. 305 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,800 Oh, no, you might not. 306 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,840 They might have been, because they sell, okay. 307 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,840 Oh, those are the kinetic ones? 308 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:30,840 The kinetic ones. 309 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,480 Not the ones that actually contain the Pepperbow, OC or whatever. 310 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,760 Chris Pepper's, oh, the old Capsicam or whatever. 311 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:38,760 Exactly. 312 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:39,760 Yeah. 313 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,480 So basically the Berna is a air pistol. 314 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:51,140 It looks kind of like an oversized 1911 and it fires a, I guess the equivalent would be 315 00:16:51,140 --> 00:16:56,240 like a, I don't know the diameter, but it's like a 50 or 60 caliber, what appears to be 316 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,480 a marble, like a marble size thing. 317 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,240 Kinetic ones are, it is a marble. 318 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,640 It literally is a marble. 319 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,200 It's plastic marble. 320 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:11,400 And it comes out and you get about 10 or 15 shots before you have to recharge the compressed 321 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:12,400 air. 322 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,680 So what's the use for, what would you use this thing for? 323 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:20,560 The fact is it's available, I think in almost all jurisdictions across the United States 324 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,640 as a handgun. 325 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,280 Basically it's not really, it's not a firearm. 326 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,080 First off, it's not a firearm. 327 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,960 It is basically an air pistol, an air gun. 328 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,680 I think there are a few things like your typical locations like Manhattan and other places 329 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,480 like that who'll probably outlaw them, but it was available for sale here in San Diego. 330 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,400 It's out at the range. 331 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:49,800 And it basically fires a marble, which will raise a welt and is very painful. 332 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,280 But it's really a second, I mean, it's a, pay attention to me. 333 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,880 It's a non-lethal, it is a non-lethal thing. 334 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,280 I mean, if you were, I would, if I were out on the trail and walking around and I came 335 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:07,160 across somebody being attacked by a dog or something like that, I think it would be a 336 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,860 fantastic way of getting the dog's attention. 337 00:18:09,860 --> 00:18:14,160 So let me tell you about another item that falls along the same lines. 338 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,920 It was by a company called Alternative Ballistics. 339 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:23,520 And actually there, some of their manufacturing occurs actually right near the Poway weapons 340 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,600 and gear range. 341 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,180 They make a, it's something I'd never seen before. 342 00:18:30,180 --> 00:18:36,060 It's a large ball, steel ball that has a cavity in it that is the size of a, roughly the size 343 00:18:36,060 --> 00:18:37,640 of a nine millimeter bullet. 344 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:44,120 And then it has a plastic cage, if you will, that attaches to the front of a gun, nominally 345 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:46,560 a Glock, let's say. 346 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,240 And there's other form factors that comes in. 347 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:56,680 The idea is this is really a law enforcement focused item, but it can be used by civilians. 348 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,760 When you fire the bullet, it is, you just load the gun normally with whatever rounds 349 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,100 you normally have. 350 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:10,520 The bullet comes out of the barrel and is immediately captured and swedges itself into 351 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:11,800 the steel ball. 352 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:12,800 Right. 353 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,540 This much larger, much larger, heavier steel ball, which then of course is ejected off 354 00:19:17,540 --> 00:19:22,600 the end of the gun, because the whole thing's being held in place by this cage. 355 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:29,020 The entire assembly comes off and then hits whoever you're pointing it at with non-lethal 356 00:19:29,020 --> 00:19:33,240 force because the energy's been transferred to something that now- 357 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,580 Much larger mass. 358 00:19:34,580 --> 00:19:35,580 Much larger mass. 359 00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:40,940 So what's conservation of momentum, it's an engineering term, so it's simply mass times 360 00:19:40,940 --> 00:19:43,280 velocity. 361 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,680 The mass times velocity of the bullet is now the mass times velocity of something much 362 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:53,960 heavier, so the velocity is much lower and the surface area is much larger. 363 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,880 So it creates a, you better pay attention to me type of moment. 364 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,120 And that might change someone's OODA loop and make them start thinking about maybe this 365 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:04,260 isn't a good person to deal with. 366 00:20:04,260 --> 00:20:05,260 The next round- 367 00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:06,680 Is this your standard nine? 368 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,200 Is this your standard round? 369 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,200 So this is something that we hope to test actually at the range. 370 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,120 I want to put it to my clear ballistics and kind of see- 371 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:16,120 It would be interesting. 372 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:18,440 Yeah, what kind of penetration you get on clear ballistics gel. 373 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,280 It'll probably bounce off. 374 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,320 It probably will and that's really the goal, right? 375 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,320 That's the goal. 376 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,960 You don't really want it penetrating that. 377 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,960 There are videos online, but we have a couple cards from those guys. 378 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,600 We'll be reaching out to them and maybe featuring them. 379 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,080 So then once we got back and warmed up the next day of the show- 380 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,080 Warmed up. 381 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,080 Goodness gracious. 382 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:44,200 Ken and I, we usually divide and conquer, we sort of split our forces. 383 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,480 I go to very fast pace and Ken is more of a deliberate paced person. 384 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,560 I did 16 miles. 385 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,560 You did 16? 386 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:52,560 Well, that's a lot. 387 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,560 Yeah. 388 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:54,560 That's a hell of a lot. 389 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,200 That's 16 miles of walking and you did 27? 390 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,200 Just under 27. 391 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,200 Yeah, 26 and a half basically across those days. 392 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,480 Now that's if the phone, if the app is right. 393 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,480 But you know what? 394 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,480 True. 395 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,200 I brought my Bushnell, by the way, another quality product. 396 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,640 It had a good price. 397 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,760 I brought my Bushnell rangefinder to the shop. 398 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,520 Why would I do that? 399 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,520 Measure the size of the floor. 400 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,080 I want to measure the size of the building to see, could I actually figure out, like, 401 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,000 am I really walking that far? 402 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,240 The inside dimension on that building, it's not square, it's not round. 403 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:31,760 It's kind of a strangely shaped building, but the long axis is roughly square in places. 404 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:32,760 Sure. 405 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,760 So it's 375 yards down one aisle. 406 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:38,760 One aisle. 407 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,320 It's 375 yards. 408 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:47,560 And then I went to some other rooms that were 116 by 97 yards and there were three of those. 409 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,560 And then some other rooms. 410 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:56,080 And you put a standard table or two, so you're talking about maybe a seven foot or maybe 411 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,080 15 foot. 412 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,080 10 by 10 I think is the smallest they sell. 413 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,080 10 by 10? 414 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,080 10 by 10 is the smallest they sell. 415 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,080 So it's a 10 foot. 416 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,440 And a lot of people were in 10 by 10s. 417 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:03,440 Oh yeah. 418 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,440 First floor. 419 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,080 First floor all 10 by 10 type of things. 420 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,440 Mostly 10 by 10s or a multiple, like a 20 by 10. 421 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,160 Yeah, 20 by 10, exactly. 422 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,600 So you can pack a lot of different people to talk to. 423 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,800 Well, it was over 2,800 exhibitors. 424 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:16,800 Yeah. 425 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:17,800 2,800. 426 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,280 Okay, so dear listeners, when we're trying to figure out what the best values are across 427 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:28,000 2,800 exhibitors, you come home with a lot of cards. 428 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,000 You do. 429 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,000 You do. 430 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,600 I left a couple of things in the hotel room like I accidentally did. 431 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,840 What did you leave in the hotel room? 432 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,560 A couple of things that I was really wanting. 433 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:38,560 One of the things was... 434 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,560 Oh, that's right. 435 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:40,560 Yeah, I know. 436 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,520 Some of the...there were freebie things that came off. 437 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,240 They were sample things that came off the desk. 438 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,720 I put them all into a bag and then promptly left it in the hotel room. 439 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,840 Ken is all about the swag. 440 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,840 Maybe so. 441 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:53,840 Yeah. 442 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:59,160 And the other thing that...you know, once we got rolling into this and started passing 443 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:04,240 out cards and sharing information and things like that, there was a lot of enthusiasm for 444 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,960 people joining the show. 445 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:11,960 One company that I came across, Vantage Point Armory and Vantage Point Archery, under the 446 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,680 same parent company, of course, makes a rail-mounted compensator. 447 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,920 Now, it's only available kind of in a prototype right now. 448 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:26,200 And the idea though, which this is one of two items that were why didn't I think of 449 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,520 that type of items, was that you don't have to get a threaded barrel. 450 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,320 You don't have to port your slide. 451 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,040 You don't have to change barrels. 452 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,760 You simply go with what you've got already. 453 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,760 And as long as you're using a holster that is an open bottom holster, because it wouldn't...you'd 454 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,480 have to either custom the holster or modify the holster otherwise. 455 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,480 But if your muzzle sticks out of the bottom of your holster, you've got a little extra 456 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:55,440 distance that you could add to the gun around...it looked roughly a half an inch depending 457 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,440 on the size of...on what gun it was going on. 458 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,680 But you get a one or a two port compensator on the front of the gun that you simply attach 459 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,680 to the rail. 460 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,680 Great. 461 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,680 Rail-mounted compensator. 462 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,080 It's so obvious. 463 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,720 And then there's also versions that will hold your weapon-mounted light. 464 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,960 So if you're using one of the...a couple popular ones, Surefire, things like that, you can 465 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,920 get your weapon-mounted light on there and not sacrifice anything. 466 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,080 Now, does it add some thickness? 467 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,280 Yes, it does. 468 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,160 Does that mean you might need to change holsters? 469 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,740 It probably does. 470 00:24:27,740 --> 00:24:32,280 But the fact that you can get a comp on the gun for about 150 bucks without changing anything 471 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,480 else, that was a great product. 472 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,480 Yeah. 473 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,480 And you mentioned something there just as part of your description for that. 474 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,920 You might have to modify your holster. 475 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:50,320 And as a frugal firearms thing, I have modified countless holsters, web gear, all different 476 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,520 sorts of things. 477 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:57,760 So just because to keep costs down when we are trying to do frugal things, to keep costs 478 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,520 down, if you have something that's pretty close to what you want and you kind of know 479 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:06,400 what you want to do to it to make it do something else, if you need to sew it or sew leather, 480 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,080 buying a little leather punch kit to put some additional stitching here or open something 481 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,480 up, whatever you want to try, it's not that hard. 482 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,380 Same thing with your typical web gear. 483 00:25:16,380 --> 00:25:21,880 You can hand stitch things that was done for centuries before machine stitching came out. 484 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,400 It's not that difficult. 485 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,200 So it's just kind of a frugal thing. 486 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,200 I encourage you to step up and try it. 487 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,080 Well, you can do it too. 488 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,800 Now, disclaimer, folks, you may ruin your equipment doing this. 489 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,040 But you can do it. 490 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,040 You can do it. 491 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,040 Well, no, I haven't. 492 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,000 I've been very careful. 493 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,500 You can do this with Kydex. 494 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:51,440 Because Kydex is a thermo-molded plastic and you can reheat it. 495 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,360 If all you're trying to do is accommodate, I wouldn't say going from a Kydex holster 496 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,480 that was never meant to have a weapon light and then you want to put a weapon light because 497 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,080 there's probably not enough plastic there to deal with and the attachment points and 498 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,320 where they've riveted it and things, that was never going to work. 499 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,840 But if you're talking about a holster that already pretty much works and you just need 500 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,600 to modify it, yes, you can do this with a heat gun. 501 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:13,760 Get a heat gun. 502 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,960 And just locally, very carefully go about this and you can modify that thing. 503 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,920 And I've actually taken holsters that were factory holsters. 504 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,440 And let's say, for example, I didn't like how well it gripped. 505 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,160 I wanted more grip. 506 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,760 And I modified them to just be a little bit more positive on locking in. 507 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,200 And it's completely doable. 508 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,680 But you practice on some Kydex that you don't care about first. 509 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,800 Because otherwise, you'll probably, well, you'll have a, most of our listeners probably 510 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,640 have a box of holsters already. 511 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,640 Oh, absolutely. 512 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,640 Most people in the guns. 513 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,640 And it may just bend to be. 514 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,040 Yeah, you end up buying one that doesn't work exactly what you want it to. 515 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,300 But I have, I found some wonderful solutions there too. 516 00:26:55,300 --> 00:27:01,520 So there was another product that I saw also on the first floor that was the other I mentioned. 517 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,960 There was a, why didn't I think of that product? 518 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:10,560 This product was made, it's in prototype form right now, and it is a weapon mounted light. 519 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,240 Started life as a handheld light. 520 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,040 Now it's a weapon mounted version of that. 521 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,600 And this is a company that we're talking to and will likely also at least help in product 522 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,640 development if not actually feature on the show. 523 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,400 That is a 180 degree illumination field. 524 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,240 Did you see that one down there? 525 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,040 No, I did not. 526 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,920 But it must have had a fairly interesting lens on the front of it. 527 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,520 It actually uses multiple LEDs. 528 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,840 It does have, it is patented and not saying that multiple LEDs is particularly unusual, 529 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,240 but it throws a, it throws a wide wide. 530 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:50,040 It's almost like imagine your regular flashlight having, you know, people have differences 531 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,760 in how much they want that central dot to be. 532 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,760 Sure. 533 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,560 How bright the splash that goes outside of it, how bright that is. 534 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,200 And there's varying opinions about, I want it to be more of an even field of light or 535 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,120 I want it to be very concentrated. 536 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:07,120 Well, this is not concentrated. 537 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:13,360 At least the version that I saw, it throws an equal field of light across 180 degrees. 538 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,480 Now why would that be an advantage? 539 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,420 Because now it allows you to see, you know, maybe a bad person doing something and maybe 540 00:28:19,420 --> 00:28:25,040 a bad person's buddies, or you get to see a child coming into the scene or other things 541 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,740 that are out there. 542 00:28:26,740 --> 00:28:30,400 If you're the person looking at this light on the other side of the gun, it's going to 543 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,960 still be bright, still going to blind you if it's a dark circumstance. 544 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,400 It's still going to definitely get your attention, but it was a, gosh, why hasn't anyone else 545 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,520 done this already? 546 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,360 And the company president who I talked to actually quite a long time yesterday has a 547 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,040 very interesting backstory that we'll share when we get to that episode. 548 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,040 What else did you see? 549 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,000 Um, I saw the Ruger. 550 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000 Oh, I'm sorry. 551 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,080 I didn't mean to interrupt you. 552 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,120 I meant to mention the name of that company is, is a full spectrum of lighting. 553 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,120 Oh, very good. 554 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:05,840 Full spectrum lighting and they have a website for their product, which is zoom 180.com. 555 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,240 So we'll throw that out there. 556 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,520 If people want to go take a look at zoom 180.com. 557 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,240 Like I said, the weapon mounted light is not in production yet, but, but look for that 558 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,240 when it comes out. 559 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,160 I also saw I was stopped off with the, I believe it was a, one of the major distributors and 560 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,520 Ruger has a, another variant of 10 22. 561 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,400 One of the things that I always recommend people oftentimes for their first rifle is 562 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,400 a Ruger 10 22. 563 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,400 They're just phenomenal. 564 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,880 And we can talk about the, there are some interesting options here. 565 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,880 Yes. 566 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,880 About that. 567 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,880 One of my favorites. 568 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,880 Yes. 569 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,880 We will talk. 570 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,880 We absolutely could talk about that. 571 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,160 But anyway, one of the ones that Ruger is coming out with is they had a Ruger 10 22 572 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,960 with, I believe a mag pull, a gray plastic stock, which is great. 573 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,520 And also it came with the, the fiber barrel. 574 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,480 I can't think of the name of a carbon fiber. 575 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,480 Thank you. 576 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,680 Carbon fiber. 577 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,680 Welcome to this century. 578 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,680 Yeah. 579 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,620 Well, carbon fiber barrel, most likely have car parts and carbon fiber now a carbon fiber 580 00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:10,040 barrel. 581 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,080 And the neat thing about that was the overall weight of the, of the little Ruger 10 22 was 582 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:21,640 just typical Ruger 10 22 took your standard 10, 10 round rotary magazines or 15s or 25s, 583 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,720 whatever you're able to have. 584 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,520 But the weight of it was so ridiculously light. 585 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,120 It was like a little over three pounds. 586 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,520 And it was just almost like you thought he had a couple of helium balloons. 587 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,780 It would lift the rifle right up and fly off with it. 588 00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:39,520 It was really nice, really, really nice. 589 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:47,480 And I could see using that to help a young shooter to get involved in the shooting sports 590 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:53,680 for maybe a person of smaller stature who is interested and it's, it's not at all scary. 591 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,760 And that's something I would like to focus on some future shows is to talk a little bit 592 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,040 more about bringing more young people into the shooting sports. 593 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,480 I've got some ideas on that. 594 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,480 Exactly. 595 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:04,480 Yeah. 596 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,480 We can talk about it. 597 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,480 Cause I mean, yeah, it's all, it's all your, like Reagan said, you're only one generation 598 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,960 away from, I'll let, you know, you can now fill in the blank after that. 599 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,960 And, and in this case, you could be one generation away from losing, you know, this entire sport 600 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,200 or this entire right. 601 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,080 If things, if things change too much, you know, going back to a range day, I did get 602 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,200 to try that rifle on the range because Ruger was present there. 603 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,480 And a lot of the other things that we, we got to see at range day, I really have to 604 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,080 give a shout out to, to all the companies there because they were very generous with 605 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,080 their ammunition. 606 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,680 I mean, they spent a lot of money to be able to have people line up and shoot lots and 607 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,440 lots and lots of rounds. 608 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:50,400 I didn't wait in line to shoot the Barrett, but no Barrett light 50 people were doing 609 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,400 that too. 610 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Yeah. 611 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,400 The Barrett is probably what? 612 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,400 Eight to $10 a shot. 613 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,600 Oh, I imagine in bulk they're probably doing it for $5 a shot, but even so I'm not frugal, 614 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,600 not frugal at all. 615 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,600 No, not, not, not a bit. 616 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,640 And California is not a thing. 617 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,680 So for me, you know, the, the 10 22 very nothing against Ruger. 618 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,200 I own Ruger products. 619 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,880 I'm not saying anything bad, but I like the Winchester Wildcat. 620 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,920 And now the Winchester Wildcat is basically using much of the same design because of why 621 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:21,920 it will use this. 622 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,320 I guess maybe we've mentioned this before on the show, but I think that Ruger's patent 623 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,400 on the rotary magazine has run out. 624 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,400 Yeah. 625 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:36,760 So the 10 22 has been the Ruger 10 22 rifle has been out since I think 1963 or 64, some 626 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,240 really long time. 627 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:45,440 And in fact, now Winchester has picked up on that and makes a rotary magazine 22 that 628 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,040 accommodates the Ruger mag. 629 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,000 So you can just go out and get any plain vanilla Ruger 10 22 mag. 630 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,640 And now you can put it in the Wildcat. 631 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,160 To me, the Wildcat is, I prefer its ergonomics, its design. 632 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,800 It's a composite stock, comes in lots of different finishes, price point. 633 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,040 And that's the key, the price point. 634 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,040 Yeah. 635 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,720 And the price point I've seen is as low as $179. 636 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,040 I know, I know. 637 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,320 And this is definitely in our wheelhouse. 638 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,320 Yeah. 639 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,540 Because you have a phenomenal rifle, which is to be honest with you, I think everybody 640 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:24,600 should own a semi-automatic 22 caliber rifle of some type. 641 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,960 10 22 is a fine choice, but this Wildcat, absolutely. 642 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,920 This is also another fine choice. 643 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,760 And we didn't even get to the other pistol, which... 644 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,760 You mean the Diamondback? 645 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:40,760 No, no. 646 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,520 Because those are there too, and those Diamondbacks are nice. 647 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,520 Yeah, exactly. 648 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,240 They're not available in California, but true. 649 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,480 The Diamondbacks are another, for example, they have a Diamondback revolver. 650 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,480 And semis. 651 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,040 And semis, but I'm a revolver guy, old school. 652 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,040 And I'm a semi-guy. 653 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,160 Old school, you know, wheel gun guy. 654 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:08,360 They have a nice swing out cylinder revolver, which I really fell in love with, thought 655 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,560 it was fantastic. 656 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,280 Wish they would sell it in California. 657 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,960 Unfortunately, they don't. 658 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,560 But no, I was thinking of the, I think it's the RX... 659 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,560 But things are getting better. 660 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,080 I mean, you saw what President Trump did yesterday with his executive order to... 661 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,080 I mean, he didn't... 662 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,480 He took a measured approach to it. 663 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,280 And rather than just broad brush, say something that I think a lot of people in the audience 664 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:35,440 would wish he would do, but he directed Biden era anti-2A laws be reviewed. 665 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,040 Yeah, executive orders. 666 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,280 And a lot of them are going to vanish probably in short order. 667 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,280 Very short. 668 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,280 I think the problem there... 669 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,760 I'm not making an argument one way or the other, a 10th Amendment argument here, but 670 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,600 it seems that there's going to be a lot of states' rights questions that come into this, 671 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,560 because anything that was induced at the federal level can be undone at the federal level, 672 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:04,960 but that doesn't mean that it's going to necessarily trickle into the states as evenly as we'd 673 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,960 like to see. 674 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,960 Right. 675 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,720 So yeah, how that is going to be interpreted and how Pam Bondi, who are our new attorney 676 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:18,280 general, is going to implement those or look into those things. 677 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,640 Those are all very interesting topics. 678 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:26,000 It's kind of outside of our frugal firearms purview, but nonetheless, there could be a 679 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,680 lot of really good and positive things happening for those of us in the shooting sports over 680 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:38,360 the next four years or eight years or 12 years if we get JD Vance or something. 681 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,040 So you brought up law. 682 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,420 Probably our next show will be CCW Safe. 683 00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:48,520 And we also met some other organizations that do, if you will, carry insurance. 684 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,560 And I'm using the term loosely because some of these are not technically insurance companies. 685 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,560 Companies, no. 686 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,560 Right. 687 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,160 So we've got to talk to Mr. William Kirk. 688 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,400 Washington Gun Law. 689 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,400 Exactly. 690 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,040 Mr. Kirk seemed very interested in coming on the show at some point. 691 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,920 He may or may not represent the company that he's associated with when he comes on the 692 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:11,920 show. 693 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,080 I don't want to say one way or the other what company that is just at this moment because 694 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,920 we haven't initiated that conversation with Mr. Kirk yet. 695 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,680 But I mean, I think a lot of people know Washington Gun Law, don't they? 696 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,680 Oh, absolutely. 697 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,920 He has a YouTube channel. 698 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,800 Highly recommend subscribing to it. 699 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,800 He comes out. 700 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,480 He does not do just Washington State. 701 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:40,580 He does the whole country and how it impacts you and your Second Amendment rights and how 702 00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:43,600 you need to behave in every situation. 703 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,840 So he's a phenomenal guy and very pleased to have been able to meet him firsthand. 704 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,840 Who else did we meet? 705 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:58,080 Well, I had a nice talk with Lena Michalik, Jerry's daughter. 706 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,600 Jerry Michalik's daughter. 707 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,400 About getting her on the show at some point to talk about women's perspectives on guns 708 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,760 and things like that. 709 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,460 She's been very involved in the Rose Line of firearms with Sig Sauer, which is a woman's 710 00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:14,320 focused set of firearms. 711 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,600 I think specifically the P365, I believe. 712 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,840 And who else did we get to meet? 713 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,840 I got to meet Doug Marcaida. 714 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:29,360 So if you're a knife fan, if you're a forged in fire devotee as I am, if you're into metallurgy, 715 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:35,240 which I am, all those things, you know, for me, it's kind of a perfect storm of interest 716 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:36,240 in knives. 717 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:41,640 And Mr. Marcaida, at least in principle, agreed to come talk on the show at some point about 718 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:48,720 edged and impact weapons as an alternative to firearms in places where, you know, maybe 719 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:53,720 you don't have the opportunity to carry a gun, it's less permissive or a pocket knife 720 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,240 is socially acceptable. 721 00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:01,400 So we'll be having hopefully that conversation because we've already covered with Joe Dremisi. 722 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:07,480 We covered the OC spray option. 723 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,240 And this kind of sits in the knife and in impact weapons. 724 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,440 I think, would you agree it kind of sits in middle ground? 725 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,960 Because a knife is certainly a lethal weapon, right? 726 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,080 Yeah, absolutely. 727 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,800 And an impact weapon could be construed as a lethal weapon where you're going from the 728 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:32,440 decidedly non-lethal pepper spray up through the increase in, let's say, violence of action 729 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,240 between then edged weapons and then up to firearms. 730 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:40,640 And I think we've left that middle part has been kind of empty. 731 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,240 Kind of supporting that, did you stop by any knife booths that you like? 732 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,640 Because I went to two that I really like. 733 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,440 Well, I've always liked Spyderco. 734 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,840 I've had them for, I've carried a Spyderco in my pocket for probably 35 years. 735 00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:01,320 You know, you didn't go, I will tell you this, you did not go to TacCon last year with me. 736 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,320 No. 737 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,320 And I did. 738 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,000 And I took a knife fighting class at TacCon because they, you know, again, it's part of 739 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,880 the continuum of self-defense. 740 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,640 And the instructor's favorite knife was the Spyderco Delica. 741 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,440 And the reason is that it can, it can not only be opened multiple ways, but it's extremely 742 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,280 positive in the way you open it. 743 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:29,480 And the idea being that you don't want a knife that if you're already into a tussle with 744 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:37,320 someone at a close engaged distance, you know, not a Hollywood sort of arm's length, you 745 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,960 know, boxing distance, but really engaged with someone, trying to get your folding knife 746 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,360 out and getting it into action is a very tenuous thing. 747 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,560 And you very well might drop the knife in the process of just trying to open it. 748 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,280 And he thought that the Spyderco design was really the best for getting the knife open 749 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,080 in a secure way and getting it into action. 750 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,080 Yeah. 751 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,040 I've always, I've always liked my Spyderco. 752 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,040 And then Topps knives. 753 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,240 Did you stop by their booth? 754 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,240 Oh my gosh. 755 00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:11,200 There were a large number of knife people represented there to the point of my eyes 756 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,800 were glazing over. 757 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,800 What you want. 758 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:14,800 Yeah. 759 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,080 But eyes glazing over. 760 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,600 Let's just say, for example, you are a person who was into, I'm putting quotes around this 761 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,360 word innovation. 762 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,360 If you were looking for innovation in the AR-15 platform. 763 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,360 Again, you, your mind, you're just, you're glass over everything. 764 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,960 You can't, you just. 765 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,880 You couldn't do, well, you couldn't do the show in four days. 766 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,080 You'd need four weeks to do the show because every third booth had something to do with 767 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,080 the AR-15. 768 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,000 I'm not, is that a, that's not a bad thing. 769 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,280 And the number of gold plated AR-15s. 770 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,200 Oh yeah. 771 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,200 Gold plated. 772 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,200 Styrogg. 773 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,200 Gold plated. 774 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,800 This, that, the other. 775 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,800 Because they're interesting. 776 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,800 AKs that are gold plated. 777 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,800 AKs. 778 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,360 Oh, and did you see the gold plated? 779 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,960 Oh, what's the word I'm looking for? 780 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,960 The Barrett? 781 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:04,960 RPG. 782 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:05,960 No, I did not see that. 783 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:06,960 Oh, the RPG. 784 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:07,960 Yeah. 785 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,560 With, oh, it had ivory and or it was cloisonne or something that made it look like ivory 786 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,440 with all gold and the rounds were gold plated. 787 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,880 Because everyone needs that. 788 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,880 No, we don't. 789 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,880 I guess. 790 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,820 I mean, it was, it was overkill to the max, but it's fun to see, fun to see all of these 791 00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:27,680 things to look at them and go, wow, that's interesting. 792 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,920 Even if I won the lottery, I probably wouldn't buy that, but it was fun to see. 793 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,920 And I enjoyed it. 794 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,200 And we spent well over a thousand dollars doing it. 795 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,200 Indeed. 796 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,960 By the time you gas and food and all the others. 797 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,960 Oh yeah, absolutely. 798 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:40,960 Yeah, for a week. 799 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:41,960 Yeah. 800 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,040 So, oh, by the way, you know what we forgot to mention upfront? 801 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,040 What's that? 802 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,440 Well, I'm glad you're here, Ken, and that you're not dead. 803 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,740 Oh yeah, this is interesting. 804 00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:53,080 We actually attempted to record a similar show to this. 805 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,680 This show, we were going to do this show. 806 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,080 Basically this show where we didn't actually have a specific guest. 807 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:03,180 And we were doing it on the five hour drive back to San Diego from Vegas. 808 00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:04,920 So we figured how bad could this be? 809 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,840 We'll just get a show out really quick. 810 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,740 I'm glad I was able to go at the last minute to the show. 811 00:42:10,740 --> 00:42:15,440 And anyway, so Craig and I are in his rather fancy car, beautiful car. 812 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,440 It had heated seats. 813 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,440 It's an Audi. 814 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,440 It's an Audi. 815 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,760 And you like the massage seats too. 816 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,920 I like the heated and massage seats. 817 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,920 They were lovely. 818 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,600 They were really nice and very enjoyable, very relaxing. 819 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:32,240 Anyway during this time, and I have no idea how many microphones that your car has embedded 820 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:33,240 into the various... 821 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:37,920 It would have to be, I think, at least four in order to do what it was doing. 822 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,000 At least four. 823 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,440 So we decided to effectively record this. 824 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,320 And Craig's driving and I'm in the passenger seat. 825 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:51,000 So just technologically what we're doing is we're recording it on my phone, but the... 826 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000 Phone is Bluetooth too. 827 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,600 The phone is Bluetooth to the car's carplay system. 828 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,120 So it's using the internal microphones in my Audi. 829 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,680 In the Audi, yeah, exactly. 830 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,680 And you were sitting shotgun. 831 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,680 You weren't sitting three rows away from me into that. 832 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,440 We were sitting three and a half feet apart. 833 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,440 Oh, less than that. 834 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,200 Less than that probably, yeah. 835 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,920 We're sitting there and I'm probably talking louder than you were talking. 836 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,400 The Audi system was astonishing in what it was able to do. 837 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:24,680 It basically picked up every word Craig said absolutely clear as a bell. 838 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:31,360 And it took every word that I said and it made it, I guess, noise canceled background 839 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,360 noise. 840 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,360 Yeah, you were noise canceled out of existence. 841 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,920 I was now noise canceled out of existence. 842 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,160 So we couldn't get a single word... 843 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,160 A syllable. 844 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,160 You said, nothing. 845 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,160 Nothing. 846 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,160 Not a syllable. 847 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,700 In fact, maybe this will be the place I'll put it in the show, just a short sample. 848 00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:52,080 It was almost comical because when we had finished and over what, about an hour, hour 849 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,840 and 15 minutes where we were talking. 850 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,840 Yeah, it was long. 851 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,200 It was what for us would be considered a very long show. 852 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,200 A long show. 853 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,680 And we were talking away just about our experiences and everything, pretty much what we're doing 854 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,920 now. 855 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,080 And we said, well, yeah, let's go ahead and just listen to a couple of minutes of this 856 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,800 before we're still driving in the car. 857 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,280 And he plays it back and it's like, wait a minute. 858 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,000 You can't hear me at all. 859 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000 I mean at all. 860 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,760 Yeah, so the Audi acoustic engineers really got it right, but we didn't know they... 861 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,440 We did not know. 862 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,560 I do acoustics for a living and I got to tell you that that's pretty challenging to be able 863 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,920 to exclude a person almost completely. 864 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,320 Like you couldn't even hear there was anyone else in the car. 865 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,320 In the car. 866 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,320 Who was under three feet. 867 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,320 I mean, the car just isn't... 868 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:42,320 I mean, what's the center of the position in a large sedan of two people? 869 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,200 I think it's under three feet. 870 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:51,680 So that one, well, like I said, maybe I'll stick in a little section of that in the show, 871 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:57,560 but that was a lot of wasted effort because we had a lot of good stuff to say. 872 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,040 We did. 873 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,280 Wait, is 50 state legal? 874 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,160 Is it really? 875 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,920 I didn't think that that stuff was legal in Cal. 876 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,280 I didn't think... 877 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,280 Is it really? 878 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,280 Oops. 879 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,280 So... 880 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:21,160 Anyway, let's talk about the Ruger RXM. 881 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,160 I think it is. 882 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,160 Yeah. 883 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,280 The RXM, the new... 884 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:33,600 Another case of expired patent and then a design patent, I guess, in this case for Glock. 885 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,600 For Glock. 886 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,600 Expiring. 887 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,760 And it's not that there aren't any shadow systems and other companies that make fantastic 888 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,920 stuff, but it's expensive. 889 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,960 Are based on Glock, not in prototype, the Glock form factor. 890 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:48,960 Right. 891 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,960 Form factor. 892 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,560 And this was a perfect example of, and it fits right into our wheelhouse, of frugal 893 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,640 firearms. 894 00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:01,920 This was basically the Glock RXM, which I think stands for Ruger Cross Something with 895 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,200 Magpul. 896 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,200 So Magpul did... 897 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,200 Oh, is that what it meant? 898 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,200 I didn't even think of it. 899 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,200 Yeah, because Magpul made the... 900 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,200 It's Ruger... 901 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,320 Did the plastic pieces parts. 902 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,320 Yeah. 903 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,400 The plastic pieces, Magpul has been doing injection molded plastic for years. 904 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:22,240 They do all of these fantastic Magpul magazines for AR platform, for example, or many other 905 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,240 platforms. 906 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:28,360 Anyway, phenomenal ability in engineering as it relates to injection molded plastic. 907 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,360 Yeah, right. 908 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,600 So they teamed up with Ruger, who basically I think built the slide and the barrel and 909 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,680 all of the hard metal parts. 910 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:42,640 They're basically making a Gen 3 Glock clone. 911 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,400 Not exact clone, but pretty darn close. 912 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,400 Anyway, except... 913 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,240 There's differences in the trigger... 914 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:49,240 Yes. 915 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,440 And the fire control group is different. 916 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:57,400 Fire control group's a little bit different, but it accepts Glock magazines, which is great 917 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,120 because Glock magazines are ubiquitous on the earth. 918 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,360 They're probably the single most common magazine, pistol magazine you'll ever get. 919 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,360 They are now. 920 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,760 Yeah, and then 9mm. 921 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,760 So it'll accept... 922 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,000 And Magpul's been making Glock magazines for a long time. 923 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,920 So now you have an example. 924 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,980 And this is the key, why it is frugal. 925 00:47:20,980 --> 00:47:32,360 It basically comes in at a list price of $399, under $400 for a Gen 3, bet your life reliable, 926 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,320 9mm pistol. 927 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,680 That has better texture than the Glock. 928 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,520 Better texture than the Glock. 929 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,000 And that is the value proposition. 930 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:48,140 There were two questions I had about that that I didn't get answered because of overload 931 00:47:48,140 --> 00:47:49,840 and I forgot. 932 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,000 Does it take standard Glock sights? 933 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,000 And that's less important. 934 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,720 I don't know, but I can tell you this. 935 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:05,200 It had metal sights that were factory metal sights, which is nice because Glock factory 936 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,640 sights are polymer, plastic basically. 937 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,840 And the rail, is it a standard 1913 cut? 938 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,200 No, it's a standard Glock rail. 939 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,200 Is a Glock cut. 940 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,280 It's a Glock cut rail. 941 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,440 I'm surprised they did that. 942 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,880 I would think that they would have used the opportunity to go to the standard pick rail. 943 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,920 Picatinny 1913 rail? 944 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,880 Would have been the dimension they would have gone with because that's a little bit... 945 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:29,880 Are you sure about that? 946 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:30,880 No, no. 947 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:31,880 We need to check. 948 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,040 We'll have our listeners check the specs on it. 949 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:42,240 But what I would like to say is the RXM Ruger working with Magpul to produce a Glock, Gen 950 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:49,680 3 Glock clone that will accept Glock magazines, 9mm, for under $400, which is at a price point, 951 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:57,440 at least here in California, of probably a minimum of $150 less than what a Glock 3 would 952 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,040 cost you here in California. 953 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,840 You're looking at that much money for used police trade-ins. 954 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,840 Yeah, I know. 955 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:04,840 Sometimes. 956 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,840 Sometimes, yeah. 957 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,400 Was that your favorite price point item? 958 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,520 That was my favorite 9mm price point for several reasons. 959 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,520 Again, frugal. 960 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,840 No, I meant the whole show. 961 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:15,840 Price point item. 962 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:16,840 Probably. 963 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,560 But don't forget, I want to hear your rationale about it. 964 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:20,560 Really. 965 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,560 And the reason is it uses common parts. 966 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,560 It's kind of like buying a car. 967 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,440 Yeah, okay. 968 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,560 You can buy a Saab or something like that. 969 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,300 Saab probably makes a great car. 970 00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:38,400 But the parts for it are going to cost you an arm and a leg, and they're uncommon, and 971 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,840 you have to order from a Saab dealer or whatever. 972 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:47,160 But this particular one, it's Ruger, which is American-made, basically Magpul American, 973 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,440 used in Glock magazines, ubiquitous, find them everywhere. 974 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,560 It fits Glock mags everywhere. 975 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,480 9mm, most common round in the world. 976 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:05,880 And it comes built in and ready to attach a whole host of red dot optics on the back 977 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,880 of the slide. 978 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,040 So it's already cut for the optics on it. 979 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:15,240 Now I am, I think we mentioned in earlier episodes, I'm still an iron sights guy, probably 980 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:16,440 because that's the way I started. 981 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,060 But for those of you getting into the sport. 982 00:50:19,060 --> 00:50:25,160 Or you don't have a stigmatism, or you believe in front sight focus, which I'm not criticizing, 983 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,720 but I just, I have, we're going to talk about the high viz before we get out of this. 984 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:32,680 Yeah, we got to talk about that. 985 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:33,680 And the Meprolite. 986 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,280 And the Meprolite, yes. 987 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,840 These are sights that were at the show. 988 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:49,040 But anyway, from a value perspective, absolutely take a really good look at this Ruger RXM 989 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,520 Gen 3 clone. 990 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,120 For those in states who can actually get it. 991 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,160 Which you can get it, I think in most states. 992 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,280 I don't necessarily think, again California is not on ours yet, I don't think. 993 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:06,160 But if you have the opportunity to, it is a bet your life reliable 9mm. 994 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,560 Another one that I thought that was very interesting was the Kel-Tec. 995 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,040 I mean, I think a lot of people are suspicious of Kel-Tec. 996 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:19,120 They have some very innovative, and some would say unusual designs. 997 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,120 Their 5.7x28 pistol, the new one with the rotary barrel. 998 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:29,720 And if you look into this folks, the barrel, it looks, the front end of the barrel, the 999 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:36,160 muzzle end of the barrel looks like the locking lugs on an AR-15 bolt, because the barrel 1000 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:41,640 actually rotates and locks into the slide. 1001 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,480 And I got to try that at Industry Day. 1002 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,960 Again, thanks very much to Mantis for inviting us in. 1003 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,160 I've never shot a 5.7x28 before, and this is a featherweight light gun. 1004 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,800 It's also insanely thin, and why is it so thin? 1005 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,880 By the way, holds 21 rounds. 1006 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,280 21 rounds. 1007 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,280 With no magazine. 1008 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,280 Right. 1009 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,280 So you're thinking, well what? 1010 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,780 What do you mean no magazine? 1011 00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:10,840 It's a stripper clip loaded on top, and the way they got it so thin was by getting rid 1012 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:17,080 of the magazine altogether, and you load through the ejection port, almost like you would an 1013 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:24,680 SKS for example, and you push the rounds in, and you think, well I can't change the mag. 1014 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,000 Well yeah, except you're already carrying 20 rounds. 1015 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,000 Exactly. 1016 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,840 And you can put one in the pipe and get it to 21. 1017 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:31,840 21. 1018 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,200 And we start talking statistics of how many times you're going to get to over 20 rounds 1019 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,200 in a gunfight. 1020 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,200 No. 1021 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,200 Almost never. 1022 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,200 Yeah, pretty much not. 1023 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,200 Almost zero. 1024 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,200 Yeah. 1025 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,280 And the 5.7x28 is a high speed round. 1026 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,280 It sure is. 1027 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:52,240 I haven't seen, like LuckyGunner.com for example, did a video on that, but they didn't put it 1028 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,280 to their normal testing protocols, I don't think, that you would normally see them do 1029 00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,240 with a lot of other rounds to see how effective it is, but I mean I don't want to stand on 1030 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,400 the receiving end of one, I'll tell you that. 1031 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,400 No. 1032 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,280 Secret Service uses the 5.7x28 round. 1033 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,280 They do? 1034 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,280 They do. 1035 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,280 They have the P90, the personal defense. 1036 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,280 Oh, they use that as their SMG basically? 1037 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,280 Yeah, yeah. 1038 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,920 So if you try to break into the White House or something like that. 1039 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:20,920 Then you'll find out. 1040 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,400 Yeah, Secret Service will shoot you with a 5.7. 1041 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:24,400 Yeah. 1042 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,120 At least the guy's walking around with it. 1043 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,120 I did not. 1044 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,200 With those P90 rifles, yeah. 1045 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,040 I've never liked the ergonomics on the P90. 1046 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,040 No, I didn't either. 1047 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,080 Every other damn person I talk to loves it. 1048 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:40,160 It's again, it's kind of one of those space age, huh, they actually built it, but again. 1049 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,800 And just to talk about the frugality of it, I know 5.7 ammo is coming down. 1050 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,320 I don't think it has gotten to the area where I would say, yeah, I'll go out and buy a 5.7 1051 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,040 because it's a frugal choice. 1052 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,040 No. 1053 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,840 Well, neither has 30 super carry. 1054 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,440 No, 30 super carry. 1055 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,440 Another interesting round. 1056 00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,480 There are a lot of interesting rounds that come out almost every year from the ammo manufacturers 1057 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:06,400 or the major guns, new chamberings and so forth. 1058 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,640 And lots of times it's like, I don't know if you really need to do that. 1059 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:16,040 I'm going to stick with the very tried and very true 9 millimeter, for example. 1060 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,720 I think you can do pretty much anything with 9 millimeter. 1061 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:24,720 And if you need to step up, I mean, if you want a bigger thing, you can go to 40 or 45. 1062 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:27,160 You step down, you go to 380 or something like that. 1063 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:32,040 But the ones that have been out for decades are the ones where you're going to find the 1064 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,040 value. 1065 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,300 They're going to be less expensive to shoot because ammo companies are going to chamber 1066 00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:41,080 for them or they're going to be loading for them because there are lots and lots of them 1067 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,080 out there. 1068 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,560 The 5.7, it's been out for a while and it's an interesting round. 1069 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,000 Don't get me wrong. 1070 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,360 But I think relatively speaking per shot, it's pretty pricey. 1071 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,240 If you're going to practice with it, it's probably not. 1072 00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:54,240 No. 1073 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:57,400 It's going to be a big bankroll to do that. 1074 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:03,520 As a carry gun, I mean, I would think that now, again, I'm not going to... 1075 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,520 We haven't tested it. 1076 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,920 I mean, we did at the range. 1077 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,040 By the way, it was another case of where's the recoil? 1078 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,280 I mean, the recoil was minimal. 1079 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,280 Right. 1080 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,240 Caltech is very interesting. 1081 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:19,560 Super flat gun, super easy to conceal. 1082 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,760 And I can't get over the number of rounds that you're carrying without having to reload. 1083 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,320 If you live in a state that would let you have such a thing. 1084 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,320 That would let you have it. 1085 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,320 Yeah. 1086 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:35,320 I mean, I would certainly consider it, but the whole practice thing, thousands and thousands 1087 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:40,240 and thousands of rounds to become genuinely proficient for something that statistically 1088 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,360 will probably never happen in your life. 1089 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,320 And most people who defend themselves with a gun hardly practice at all. 1090 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,280 And they successfully defend themselves. 1091 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,280 I'm not saying don't... 1092 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,120 Well, I am making a case for mantas here, folks. 1093 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,020 Once again, the Mantas X10 product, a phenomenal product. 1094 00:55:57,020 --> 00:56:05,680 But the balance of where good enough is in the beginner through proficient spectrum is 1095 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,040 a hard one. 1096 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,120 And like, for example, you were talking about... 1097 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,760 I think this is going to play out interestingly, how ubiquitous a given round is. 1098 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,120 Well, the new 6.8 by 51. 1099 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,920 Oh yeah, the military round. 1100 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,920 The military round. 1101 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:26,720 Now, if that sticks around, is that going to become the next big thing in bulk ammo? 1102 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:30,080 But is it going to be that round at 80,000 psi? 1103 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,440 Or will it be the commercial variant of the 277 Fury? 1104 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,440 Right. 1105 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,720 Now, the rumor I've heard, and it might just be that, is that the military is going to 1106 00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:45,900 use the 277 Fury at 55,000 psi in order to practice. 1107 00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:50,480 And the combat issue will be the higher pressure 6.8 by 51. 1108 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,480 They're the same round. 1109 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,480 It's like saying 5.56 and 2.23. 1110 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:59,320 I don't want to get people into the argument about how quote unquote different they are. 1111 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,920 Yes, they're different rounds. 1112 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,920 But they're almost the same. 1113 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,920 But it's that kind of a difference. 1114 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,120 And basically, you're talking about basically it's another new round, but it is being adopted 1115 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,600 by the United States military. 1116 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:11,600 Okay. 1117 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,800 So if that's the case, then over time, there will be civilian variants that will put in 1118 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,760 hunting rifles and maybe semi-alloy antics and other things that will be chambered for 1119 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:20,760 it. 1120 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:21,760 Okay, great. 1121 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,440 And over time, it's going to come down in price. 1122 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,520 And as part of that, we could go back to the show we did earlier, and definitely one I'd 1123 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,040 like to talk more about is reloading back to the frugality. 1124 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:40,240 How do you reduce your costs on a round that is great round, but okay, you know, it's going 1125 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,440 to be a little expensive to purchase new. 1126 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,280 So again, reloading and maybe we'll broach that subject again. 1127 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:54,180 I spoke to Barry's bullets and Barry's, they make these copper plated, what they call total 1128 00:57:54,180 --> 00:57:56,280 metal jacket bullets. 1129 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,280 They also make some... 1130 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,840 Well, is it plated or is it cast? 1131 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,480 I mean, because plating is very thin compared to a jacket. 1132 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,440 No, they have you plated them. 1133 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,840 Basically, most of the pistol round bullets and Barry's makes are limited to about 1,300 1134 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:10,840 feet per second. 1135 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:11,840 Keep it under 1,300. 1136 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,120 Okay, so that is just plated. 1137 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,120 It is plated. 1138 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,120 Okay. 1139 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,720 They're not an honest to goodness jacket. 1140 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:18,720 They may have... 1141 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,800 They've got a number of offerings. 1142 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,800 One of the ones that they had was a hybrid hollow point bullet, which is an expanding 1143 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:31,720 plated bullet in.38,.357 Magnum, which I got some of those for testing. 1144 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:39,080 You're going to be able to reload your own ammunition safely and in a way that's probably 1145 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,760 going to be better for your particular firearm or accurate. 1146 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,160 It's something I love to do. 1147 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,040 Definitely something to do when it's raining outside and you're not going outside to the 1148 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,760 range or you don't want to go to the range. 1149 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,760 Or snowing, but we don't get snow. 1150 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:50,760 We don't get snow. 1151 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:51,760 No, we do not. 1152 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:52,760 Certain things like that. 1153 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,520 So reloading is something that can definitely increase your enjoyment while reducing the 1154 00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,800 price and... 1155 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,800 I'm still not going to get to 8th MOA. 1156 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,860 No, no, you may not. 1157 00:59:03,860 --> 00:59:07,480 So what was your couple things just before we finish up here? 1158 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:12,320 So we started the show when we walked in the door, the first thing we saw, because we always 1159 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,360 walk in the same door first. 1160 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,640 And the first display we come across is Meprolite. 1161 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,640 Meprolite. 1162 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,200 They're always in the same spot. 1163 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:25,680 And they have a front sight that is a tritium tube that if... 1164 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,680 Radioactive, literally. 1165 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,240 Well, I mean, yeah, but not dangerous. 1166 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:30,240 No, no, no. 1167 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,680 Radio luminescent. 1168 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,320 The only way to see the sight is to be lined up on the gun because if you're not, you don't 1169 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,920 see a circle with a dot in the center. 1170 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:44,040 So it's a long tube and it does that by... 1171 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,520 And by the way, it replaces your rear sight. 1172 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,440 You actually remove the rear sight in that. 1173 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,040 They actually had a rear sight variant and a front sight variant. 1174 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,200 Yeah, I think the front sight variant... 1175 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,200 Much better. 1176 00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:00,220 Well, they even said that it's actually the better one because of people with the psychology 1177 01:00:00,220 --> 01:00:02,080 of front sight focus in the United States. 1178 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,080 Absolutely. 1179 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:08,000 And they've seen that too, as in the United States, they actually added that. 1180 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,600 Do other countries not do that? 1181 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:15,520 To me, it still seems that if you're under stress and without a ton of training, you're 1182 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,800 still going to do target focus because subconsciously you're going to look at the thing that's threatening 1183 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:20,800 you. 1184 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:21,800 Sure. 1185 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,080 And I think that front sight focus... 1186 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,000 I'm not saying it's invalid. 1187 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,720 I'm not saying that it isn't something to train to, but I still think that people's 1188 01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,480 tendency when under stress, when you're not... 1189 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,920 How many times, for example, are there shooting incidents where people say they never saw 1190 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:39,920 the front sight? 1191 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:40,920 Right. 1192 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:41,920 They never heard the gun go off. 1193 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,480 They don't know how many rounds they shot. 1194 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,560 And since it replaces the... 1195 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,760 You take off the rear sight all together so you can see the front sight, and then the 1196 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:54,680 front sight is very low profile and only provides a visual confirmation when you're aligned. 1197 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,240 The one that I liked... 1198 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,960 And they call it the Meprolite... 1199 01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:59,960 The Meprolite bullseye. 1200 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:00,960 Okay. 1201 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:06,640 And I'd have you all look it up because I thought it was really, really cool. 1202 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:11,920 They make a Meprolite bullseye rear sight and a Meprolite bullseye front sight. 1203 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,960 I love the front sight version. 1204 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,040 Front sight version was really, really cool. 1205 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:21,360 If you remove your rear sight on the slide of your pistol, for example, and they have 1206 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,960 a little filler strip that'll fill in if you've got like a dovetail or something, it'll fill 1207 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,320 that in. 1208 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,400 And then it replaces the front sight. 1209 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:34,440 And when you're looking down the slide, as soon as the... 1210 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,680 If you got it perfectly lined up the way it should be, you have a dot inside a circle 1211 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,520 and becomes just like a bullseye. 1212 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,640 And it's illuminated and it's bright. 1213 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:48,880 And I thought, wow, this is one of the best things I've seen. 1214 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:49,880 They're not very expensive. 1215 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:50,880 I think they're down around... 1216 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:51,880 Listed around like a hundred... 1217 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:52,880 About 150. 1218 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:53,880 About 150, yeah. 1219 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,320 But at the same price point is the thing that I thought was better. 1220 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:04,200 And to me, the Hi-Viz, their new generation, which I did already post a video to our social 1221 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,200 media. 1222 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:11,640 I'm actually looking at a video of it right now, uses a red front and a green tritium 1223 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,160 rear through a lens. 1224 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:14,160 So what happens... 1225 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,800 Again, this is hard on audio. 1226 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,440 Go look at our social media and you'll see what it looks like. 1227 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,000 I'll even post a second video I've got of this. 1228 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,760 When you are not lined up on the gun, you'll see the front sight, which is red. 1229 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,120 You will not see the rear sight at all. 1230 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:38,160 When you line up on your target, the rear sight obscures the front sight deliberately 1231 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,120 and all you see is the green. 1232 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,120 Green dot. 1233 01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,120 Now, why did I like this? 1234 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:48,800 Because again, with my target focus perspective, you don't have to focus on either sight. 1235 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:54,760 You simply look at your target and when the gun is lined up, not in your peripheral vision 1236 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:59,800 but in your line of vision but out of focus, you'll see the red very clearly and then you'll 1237 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:00,800 see it go green. 1238 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,520 And as soon as it's green, you're lined up and on target. 1239 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:04,520 Correct. 1240 01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,400 And it's an interesting sensation. 1241 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,840 I did think that was really cool technology. 1242 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:09,840 Great. 1243 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,420 So it goes from red to green just as soon as you get lined up on it. 1244 01:03:13,420 --> 01:03:15,240 But not for cross-dominant people. 1245 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:16,240 Uh-huh. 1246 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:17,240 Well, I'm not... 1247 01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,240 You're not cross-dominant. 1248 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:19,240 I'm not cross-dominant. 1249 01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:20,240 I have... 1250 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,840 What we're talking about is I said this is a great sight if you close one eye. 1251 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,200 For me, I'm right eye dominant. 1252 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,240 But if I close my left eye, it's a great sight. 1253 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,240 It works perfectly. 1254 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,320 I didn't need to. 1255 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,320 I know. 1256 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:34,320 Yeah. 1257 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:41,520 But I look down that exact same sight and when it lines up, I have a green dot on the 1258 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,800 left because that's my right eye looking down there and I see that. 1259 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:51,640 And then my left eye, which is now at an angle, so it's looking at the same sight from the 1260 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:59,400 side, it shows up as a red dot about two inches to the right in my peripheral vision or in 1261 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,880 my vision, about two inches to the right. 1262 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:06,520 And I went, no, I can't do this because my brain does not shut off the... 1263 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:07,520 The left eye. 1264 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:08,520 My left eye. 1265 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:09,520 And in mine it does. 1266 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,520 Yeah. 1267 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:11,520 Yeah. 1268 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,520 Because when I look down it, I see two dots. 1269 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:13,800 A green dot and a red dot. 1270 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:14,800 Yeah. 1271 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,880 And my left eye is open, but I don't have to squint on this one. 1272 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,840 And to me, this was like... 1273 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,360 This is pretty much almost one of my favorite items in the entire show. 1274 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:24,360 Yeah. 1275 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:29,000 I mean, would I trade it for a new staccato of 2011? 1276 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,000 Six thousand dollars. 1277 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,000 Yeah. 1278 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,000 Or logo alien. 1279 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,000 Well, no. 1280 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,000 No. 1281 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:40,200 But I'm just saying as a value proposition, I thought it was just fantastic. 1282 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,360 No, I thought the technology was great. 1283 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,960 And for those people whose brains automagically, and I'll say that automagically... 1284 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,160 Yeah, you did say that. 1285 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:53,560 Turn off their left eye or their non-dominant eye when they're looking down the sights, 1286 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,060 I think it'd be great. 1287 01:04:55,060 --> 01:04:58,840 Or if you want to close your non-dominant eye when you're looking down the sights, I 1288 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,480 think it's a great idea. 1289 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:09,560 But for me, it just did not work for me whatsoever because my both eyes are left on all the time. 1290 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,960 I practice shooting with both eyes open and I tell people to shoot both eyes open because 1291 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,320 sometimes one eye sees something, the other eye doesn't. 1292 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,320 Oh yeah, absolutely. 1293 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,120 And yeah, other than getting some of the... 1294 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:24,000 Civilian shooting scenario, you want to have the maximum field of vision, which gets back 1295 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,360 to the idea of the 180 degree weapon mounted light. 1296 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:28,360 Absolutely. 1297 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,520 And people can debate the efficacy or desirability of weapon mounted light. 1298 01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:38,920 They do make a handheld, as I mentioned, but that's another subject probably for another 1299 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:39,920 show. 1300 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:45,920 Kind of wrapping up here, is there one more or two more things that you really thought 1301 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:51,400 were, you went back to the booth multiple times or you really thought, man, I need to 1302 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:57,280 really examine this in more detail or, oh my God, that was such a good price point. 1303 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:03,560 I saw some 380s that were in the 1911 form factor that I thought were fantastic. 1304 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,000 But there's one item in particular that I want to talk about, what you got. 1305 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,840 Now, I'm going to go with the two firearms that we talked about here from a frugal perspective, 1306 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,640 the RXM, the Ruger RXM. 1307 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:21,440 I think that was a standout, an absolute standout of the show for frugal, for a bet your life 1308 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,840 pistol at less than $400. 1309 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:28,880 And the other one is for the Ruger 10 or the 1022 cloned Winchester Wildcat. 1310 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:36,720 Again, from a frugal perspective with ubiquitous access to magazines and a quality product, 1311 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:37,720 fantastic. 1312 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:38,720 Those are my two. 1313 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:39,720 So what do you got? 1314 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:47,200 For me, well, we did get to meet our broadcast friends over at ATN who keeps pushing the 1315 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:48,720 envelope further and further. 1316 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,800 So I think that maybe perhaps we'll have to do another episode with them. 1317 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,120 But Brian Moreno was there as was Shoeiler. 1318 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:59,000 And we were able to have a nice conversation, get a couple of pictures with them. 1319 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,160 And the quality of people you meet at SHOT is just incomparable because I mean, the gun 1320 01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,080 community is just full of great people. 1321 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:10,040 They all seem to show up there, all 66,000 of them or whatever. 1322 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:16,720 But I think that maybe on the higher end of things, the Christiansen Arms bolt action 1323 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:22,400 guns, the Evoque series, which have a price point of about $900, they're building it on 1324 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,640 a Remington 700 platform. 1325 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,240 Fit and finish is ridiculous. 1326 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:33,440 They're including a Trigger Tech trigger, which by the way, that's another upcoming 1327 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,440 guest is Trigger Tech. 1328 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:40,040 Trigger Tech triggers are from an engineering perspective are completely different than 1329 01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,360 other triggers. 1330 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,480 And from a performance perspective are amazing. 1331 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,480 Wonderful. 1332 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:50,760 But the one that I kind of want to maybe close out with is the Monstrum Archangel. 1333 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:57,620 So I own a Monstrum 3 to 9 scope that I've had on my Winchester Model 70 featherweight 1334 01:07:57,620 --> 01:07:59,720 for a long time. 1335 01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:06,320 But now the Archangel is an LPVO, which means low power variable optic, 1 to 6 power that 1336 01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,140 is appropriate for a lot of different things. 1337 01:08:08,140 --> 01:08:10,200 But it has a better reticle. 1338 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,540 It's illuminated now. 1339 01:08:11,540 --> 01:08:15,040 It has a very large fast acquisition circle. 1340 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,680 130 MOA. 1341 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,560 I thought that was an interesting choice because when you think of it, let's talk about typically 1342 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,760 you'll see like a 68 MOA and I don't, you know, maybe listeners, I don't know if you 1343 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:31,840 know, Ken, you know, what the derivation, what's the derivation of the 68 MOA? 1344 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:37,840 It actually has to do with a man size target at a hundred yards roughly fits in that. 1345 01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:42,600 So what, so what's a minute of angle is 1.047 inches at a hundred yards. 1346 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,160 So call it an inch. 1347 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:49,060 So it's, it's basically 5% more than an inch. 1348 01:08:49,060 --> 01:08:51,600 So most people will just accept it as an inch. 1349 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:57,320 So 68 MOA at a hundred yards is, is an average sized man. 1350 01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:58,320 70 inches. 1351 01:08:58,320 --> 01:08:59,720 You know, it's just under six foot. 1352 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:00,720 Right. 1353 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:01,720 Yeah. 1354 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:02,960 Roughly about a 70 inch person. 1355 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:03,960 Yeah. 1356 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:04,960 And that's where that came from. 1357 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,300 They went, um, monster mode with 130. 1358 01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:09,420 So what's that? 1359 01:09:09,420 --> 01:09:13,500 It's around double the size, which why did they do that? 1360 01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:21,560 Because in a FFP scope where the reticle changes magnification with the zoom of the scope, 1361 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,880 unlike a second focal plane scope where that does not happen, they had to kind of right 1362 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,360 size this circle. 1363 01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:35,180 So when you're zoomed all the way out, it was still a good fast acquisition circle. 1364 01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:38,720 And then as you zoom in, it actually goes out of the picture altogether. 1365 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:43,520 And then you end up with a Christmas tree for your wind holds and your range hold. 1366 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:44,520 Interesting. 1367 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:51,520 And it's available on MOA or in, um, or MRAD depending on, and just a quick tutorial. 1368 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,000 People don't know this. 1369 01:09:53,000 --> 01:10:00,320 So minute of angle is what if you take a 360 degree circle, the standard is that you would 1370 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:05,560 then divide that up into minutes and a minute is a sixtieth of a degree. 1371 01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,800 So that's what the translation that you would use. 1372 01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,520 People typically talk about a hundred yards, but it's a valid at any range. 1373 01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:17,960 Is it simply that distance times that horizontal offset? 1374 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:18,960 Right. 1375 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,480 So it subtends to a sixtieth of one degree. 1376 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:27,280 When you think about latitude and longitude, longitude and longitude is degree often expressed. 1377 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,040 It can be done as a decimal or it can be done as degrees, minutes and seconds. 1378 01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,040 And what seconds? 1379 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,800 Sixth is the sixtieth of a minute. 1380 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:41,880 In MRAD or, or, or mil scale, uh, people talk about it being a metric, um, measurement. 1381 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:46,080 It's not, that's not really the right way to look at it. 1382 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,720 It's simply looking at it, let's say you were talking about a hundred yards just to stay 1383 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,360 in a common reference frame. 1384 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:58,780 It actually has to do with when the arc of a circle or the part of an arc of a circle, 1385 01:10:58,780 --> 01:11:05,600 that length meets the hypotenuse distance or the radius, I'm sorry, uh, to that point. 1386 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,920 But in practical terms, let's say that you're at a range, which is a hundred yards by a 1387 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,760 hundred yards just to use a square field. 1388 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:18,480 So if you stand in the middle of one of those sides, you're a hundred yards away from the 1389 01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:20,720 center of the opposite side. 1390 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:25,040 Your field of view, this is to say hypothetically is a hundred yards wide. 1391 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:29,840 So what does one mil translate to at a hundred yards? 1392 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:30,840 It's 3.6 inches. 1393 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,800 Well, why is that? 1394 01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,440 In a hundred yards, there's 3,600 inches. 1395 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:46,240 Millet refers to a thousandth, so one thousandth of 3,600 is 3.6 inches. 1396 01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,760 So then you can take that and translate that at any range. 1397 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:58,120 So the way to look at it in terms of mils is it is simply a thousandth of whatever distance 1398 01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,120 you are to the target. 1399 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:08,840 So if you're 200 yards, then one mil laterally would be 7.2 inches and so on and so on. 1400 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:09,840 So whichever you prefer. 1401 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:10,840 We're geeking them out really good here. 1402 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:11,840 Exactly. 1403 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,160 But you can do that, but you can use either scale because they sell it both ways. 1404 01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,880 And what's the MSRP price point on this thing? 1405 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:23,880 And by the way, optically flat, no distortion at the edges, which in cheap optics, I didn't 1406 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,240 say frugal, I said cheap optics is often the case. 1407 01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:31,400 And by the way, expensive optics, and I'm not going to say what company, but some expensive 1408 01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,240 optics also have distortion at the edges as well. 1409 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:38,880 And they shouldn't because they charge a lot for this glass. 1410 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:44,040 But Monstrum with, by the way, a lifetime warranty, just to prove the fact they're serious 1411 01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:48,920 about this, 230 bucks for a first focal plane scope. 1412 01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:54,660 I've never seen a first focal plane scope that has quality glass come anywhere close 1413 01:12:54,660 --> 01:12:55,660 to that. 1414 01:12:55,660 --> 01:12:58,360 The Sony and the Hi-Viz site were probably the stars. 1415 01:12:58,360 --> 01:12:59,360 Were the standout items. 1416 01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:00,360 Were the standout items. 1417 01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:01,360 All right. 1418 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,000 So anyway, good show, good review. 1419 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:09,560 I apologize for making people jealous about not being able to go to SHOT Show, but that's 1420 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:10,560 our job. 1421 01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:11,560 We do that for you. 1422 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:12,560 Yeah. 1423 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,960 If you can get to, well, Great American, I'm sorry, a Great American Outdoor Show just 1424 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:17,960 ends today. 1425 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,240 Actually, today is the last day of that. 1426 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:21,480 Didn't get to go. 1427 01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:25,200 There's the Dallas, or is it Atlanta this year, NRA show? 1428 01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:26,200 I don't know. 1429 01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:27,840 I don't remember if it's Dallas or Atlanta. 1430 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:28,840 I went to Dallas. 1431 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,520 It was in Dallas last summer. 1432 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,800 And there's a lot of other shows that are out there. 1433 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:38,080 There is one that was, gosh, I can't remember what it's even called. 1434 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,640 I have to look into this. 1435 01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,440 There's TriggerCon. 1436 01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,120 There's CanCon, which is an interesting one. 1437 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,440 CanCon's in Arizona. 1438 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:46,440 That's for suppressors. 1439 01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:47,440 Suppressors. 1440 01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:48,440 There's lots of different shows. 1441 01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:51,920 If you can get to any of those shows, guys, go do it because you'll get to see stuff 1442 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,920 and maybe test drive the things you're thinking about behind you. 1443 01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,120 Unless it's fun to see stuff you know you're never going to get to own. 1444 01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,800 But yeah, it's fun to see. 1445 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,000 Well, sometimes that's just frustrating. 1446 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,200 Yeah, it is frustrating sometimes. 1447 01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,200 But it's fun to see. 1448 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,360 It's fun to see the technology and it's fun to see what other people are able to enjoy. 1449 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:08,360 Yeah, exactly. 1450 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:09,360 All right. 1451 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,400 So coming up, the stack of cards, you can't see them, but I'm looking at them. 1452 01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,640 It's inches thick of contacts that we made. 1453 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:21,240 And I've already reached out to a number of companies for some very good episodes coming 1454 01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:22,240 up. 1455 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:23,240 Do not forget. 1456 01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,400 Listen to the past shows if you haven't heard them. 1457 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:26,800 Lots of great content there. 1458 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:35,480 Today, by the way, Ken is with me in studio in the Frugal Firearms podcast, Northern Command. 1459 01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:39,560 That's why it might sound a little different than normal because it's not over Zoom as 1460 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:40,560 we typically do. 1461 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,600 But if you want to be on the show, get ahold of us. 1462 01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,680 If you've got a product or a service you'd like to talk about. 1463 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,480 Frugalfirearms.com is the website. 1464 01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:54,320 And Frugal Firearms, did I say FrugalFirearms.com? 1465 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,320 You did. 1466 01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,520 Oh man, I got my own site wrong. 1467 01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:58,520 Damn. 1468 01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:06,560 FrugalFirearmsPodcast.com or you can reach out to us at FrugalFirearmsPodcast.gmail.com. 1469 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:07,560 Very good. 1470 01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:08,560 All right. 1471 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:09,560 That's all for this evening. 1472 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:10,560 Good night, folks. 1473 01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:11,560 Thank you. 1474 01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:27,880 Good night.