1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 I was hooked. 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:30,640 I've never done cocaine, but from what I hear, it's as addictive as cocaine or meth. 3 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:37,760 Happy New Year and welcome to episode 13, lucky 13 of the frugal firearms podcast. 4 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,000 The podcast designed to help you get the most for your money. 5 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,960 And today we're going to be talking about maybe spending a little more money than you 6 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:45,960 planned. 7 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,760 But first I'm going to bring on my cohost Ken, Ken, happy new year to you. 8 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,960 Hope you had an outstanding holiday season. 9 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:52,960 Indeed I did. 10 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,240 And this is going to be an exciting podcast. 11 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:01,040 We're going to get to talk about some really cool technology that we probably all seen 12 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,760 and probably all want. 13 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:03,760 So let's go ahead. 14 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:04,760 Yeah. 15 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,880 Did you get anything for Christmas, Ken, that was firearms related? 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:16,080 Well, no, but I did part with one of my two 1967 Pontiac GTOs. 17 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,240 I figured I had too many of them and I had to park with them. 18 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,640 Two is too many of a car then. 19 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,920 Two is too many. 20 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:29,160 I have too many projects, so I now am somewhat flush with cash to spend down other things 21 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,400 that are smaller and much more fun. 22 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,400 Yeah. 23 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:39,160 My single little gift I got for myself, I just didn't give it to myself until after Christmas. 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:46,520 I gave myself a speed loader for my LCR, but I picked a company that's really popular and 25 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,240 I won't say the name of it, but it's colored blue if you look at it. 26 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:56,320 And it didn't work well at all because it pinched the rounds and wouldn't let anything 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,460 go into the cylinder. 28 00:01:57,460 --> 00:02:02,000 So just today, you can hear me rattling the rounds in the background. 29 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,400 I got one from Five Star Firearms, which is, I guess, a smaller known company. 30 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,600 So they're getting a free plug here because this is, I mean, I'm a mechanical engineer, 31 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,680 as I've said many times, and this is a beautiful piece of engineering. 32 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,840 I mean, I'm just sitting here admiring how nicely this thing is machined. 33 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,520 So cost the same as the big name thing and works a whole lot better. 34 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,640 So anyway, hey, it's 2025. 35 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:29,680 Time to remind people what the show is about. 36 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,400 It's about the value proposition of firearms ownership. 37 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,480 It's about, as I mentioned earlier, saving money and getting the most for your firearms 38 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:38,480 dollar. 39 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,560 But there's a lot of things the show is not. 40 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:48,160 We don't disparage companies by name online of things that we don't like. 41 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,680 And there are things that we don't like, but we're not going to mention them. 42 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:52,680 We aren't lawyers. 43 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:53,680 Are you a lawyer, Ken? 44 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,480 No, although I've always had an interest in constitutional law. 45 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,960 Yeah, but constitutional law doesn't mean that we know a darn thing about your state 46 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,480 or your municipalities. 47 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,480 I can talk. 48 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,480 Your municipalities. 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,480 Wow, that was hard. 50 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,540 It was the fourth attempt. 51 00:03:09,540 --> 00:03:14,100 Your municipalities laws, or for that matter, federal law. 52 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:17,880 So nothing herein is legal advice. 53 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,940 If you have a legal question, who do you talk to, Ken? 54 00:03:20,940 --> 00:03:23,600 You talk to a lawyer from your state, hopefully. 55 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:24,600 Definitely. 56 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,600 Yep. 57 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:26,600 Exactly. 58 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,800 But we do like to give opinions and we like to get feedback on those opinions to us, of 59 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:37,480 course, at our frugal firearms podcast at gmail.com address. 60 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,280 We also now have a standalone website, which we did not have before. 61 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:48,440 Very simple, frugalfirearmspodcast.com, where it has links to all our social media, has 62 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:55,280 links to every show, and this show included, of course, and has also a link to our email 63 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,280 address. 64 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,360 So today we're bringing on ATN. 65 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,840 Now I'm going to give you a little background on why did I pursue ATN to get on this show. 66 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:11,600 For some time, I've been aware of ATN's products, which are in the digital and thermal optics 67 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,480 arena. 68 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,480 And years ago, when I used to go to the SHOT Show, they had a presence and I kind of looked 69 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,480 at the stuff. 70 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,800 And to tell you the truth, I thought this is interesting and maybe someday it'll mature, 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,240 but it wasn't really something that I was interested in at the time. 72 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:33,280 Well, the last time I went, I was exposed to a new product for them, which was the XSITE 73 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:38,200 5 series, which is a 4K digital scope. 74 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:43,040 And if you've ever been to SHOT or if you have any idea how big SHOT is, it's a ridiculously 75 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,040 large show. 76 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,440 It takes multiple days to walk through the show and see everything, if you're inclined 77 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:49,560 to try to do that. 78 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,200 And every year I do that. 79 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:56,440 And to me, this product that you can't see it, but I'm holding it, was just about the 80 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:57,440 best of SHOT. 81 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,200 In fact, in my opinion, it probably was the best of SHOT. 82 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:06,060 And to say that about SHOT is a big deal because I think that they completely turned the tables 83 00:05:06,060 --> 00:05:13,560 when they went to a 4K imager of being able to get the most out of this technology and 84 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,120 do it at a price point that makes sense. 85 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,120 That's what we're all about. 86 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,960 We're all about the price point, you know? 87 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:19,960 That's right. 88 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:20,960 Bring it that value. 89 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,160 And AT&T did not send me this scope. 90 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,200 I bought this out of my own funds. 91 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,480 And then I said, you know what, this is a value company now and I want to bring them 92 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,480 on. 93 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,920 They did supply as a sample, just to discuss on the show, another new product for them, 94 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,480 which is the Blaze Seeker Thermal Scope. 95 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,840 So Ken and I reviewed that, both very favorably, and we're going to get into talking about 96 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:44,840 that. 97 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:48,000 So on the show, as our guest today, we have Ryan. 98 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,780 And Ryan, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself and tell them how you got associated 99 00:05:51,780 --> 00:05:53,960 with AT&T. 100 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,440 And I understand you're not actually an AT&T employee, which is interesting because you're 101 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:02,240 the first guest we've had who's not a paid employee of a company, but just believes in 102 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,240 the product. 103 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,520 You're like a power user. 104 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,520 Exactly. 105 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,720 So Ryan, the floor is yours, sir. 106 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:08,720 Sure. 107 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:09,840 My name is Ryan Marino. 108 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,120 I work with AT&T's Pro Staff. 109 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,160 I am by trade a 30-year law enforcement officer. 110 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,840 I won't name the agency I work for, but I work in Louisiana. 111 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:23,620 I work for a sheriff's office and I run a marine enforcement unit. 112 00:06:23,620 --> 00:06:31,120 So my day job, I'm on a boat every day running sonar, doing port security, dive operations, 113 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,120 search and rescue, 30 years now. 114 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,000 I started with AT&T and believe it or not, I've always been interested and I've always 115 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,840 been an outdoorsy guy. 116 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:48,720 So being a boat operator, a coast guard captain, I was a bow fishing guy, also teach diving. 117 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,120 And there's a local fire department that I was teaching how to scuba dive. 118 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,900 And they were very short on or not short on funding, but they asked me if I could give 119 00:06:57,900 --> 00:06:59,460 them a deal. 120 00:06:59,460 --> 00:07:01,100 And I said, absolutely. 121 00:07:01,100 --> 00:07:05,040 And their team leader said, hey man, I'll sweeten the pot. 122 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,480 How about I take you thermal hulk hunting while you're here teaching this class? 123 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,720 And I was like, okay, that sounds interesting. 124 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,880 I'd heard of it, never did it. 125 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,240 And we go out in the first night, I don't remember, I think we killed eight or nine 126 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,940 hogs, a couple of coyotes. 127 00:07:19,940 --> 00:07:23,640 And I told him, I said, I will be on Pro Staff. 128 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,320 I will do this just like you're doing it. 129 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:27,320 And he kind of laughed. 130 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,480 He said, yeah, everybody says that. 131 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,680 I said, no, you don't know my personality. 132 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,200 And I fell in love with it. 133 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:33,360 I was hooked. 134 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:39,720 I've never done cocaine, but from what I hear, it's as addictive as cocaine or meth. 135 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:45,720 And I use that analogy, but here we are five years later, I hunt three to five nights a 136 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,720 week. 137 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,440 I'm a licensed guide. 138 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,440 I kill hogs, I kill coyotes. 139 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:57,360 We even do some other nuisance like in Louisiana, we have nutra, which are like a small kind 140 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:58,460 of muskrat. 141 00:07:58,460 --> 00:08:01,280 They destroy the marshes here in Louisiana. 142 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:07,680 And we use thermal to eradicate those upwards of a thousand a year sometimes. 143 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,580 And so that's how I got started. 144 00:08:10,580 --> 00:08:15,200 And I started like everybody else, worried about the price point. 145 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Can I afford it? 146 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Is my wife going to be upset when I buy this? 147 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:25,060 And like everyone else, I at the time was trying to be very frugal. 148 00:08:25,060 --> 00:08:31,480 And so I started like everybody else with a 4K Pro, which is the predecessor to the 149 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,080 X5 that you have. 150 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:39,020 And I learned very quickly, it was a great day night optic. 151 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:46,420 It did what I wanted, but once I realized how good thermal was, I had to have it. 152 00:08:46,420 --> 00:08:52,160 And one of the things I liked about ATN is their price point was a lot better than some 153 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,080 of their competitors. 154 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,760 And that's how I got started in this. 155 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:01,200 So that being the case now, you said, cause when we first talked on the phone a while 156 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,080 back and you just repeated the same thing. 157 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:08,120 So you're being consistent, but you said you hunt three to five nights a week. 158 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,320 And you're going after nutria, which by the way, if we have any environmentalists in the 159 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:20,320 audience, let me tell you that nutria has done more to kill off the value of the Delta 160 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,680 than just about anything else out there. 161 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:27,360 So it's a gargantuan rat basically. 162 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:33,680 And so I guess what you're telling me is that the laws in Louisiana do allow for night hunting 163 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:37,960 or allow hunting with thermal or a low light scope. 164 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,520 I guess not every state is like that. 165 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,160 I don't know if you're familiar with the laws. 166 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,520 So every state is different. 167 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:44,720 I hunt multiple states. 168 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,120 I hunt Texas, Missouri. 169 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:53,200 Missouri, for instance, only has, I think February and March is the only time you can 170 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:59,520 use thermal or digital night vision or night vision to hunt coyotes or hogs. 171 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:06,920 Louisiana, we have year round nighttime hunting for the five outlaw quadrupeds, which for 172 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,680 Louisiana are hogs, coyotes, beavers, armadillos and nutria. 173 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:17,640 So those are the five things we can kill year round, no limits, no season at night. 174 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,560 Do they still give you what used to be six bucks a tail for a nutria? 175 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:29,960 So Louisiana does have a nutria reward program and it is $6 a tail and we kill a bunch. 176 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:35,760 The downside is you have to lots of times tromp through the marsh to try to recover 177 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,240 the tails and that's easier said than done. 178 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,040 Yeah, for six bucks. 179 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,640 For six bucks and then you have to bring them to wildlife and at the end of the year, they 180 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,640 send you a 10.99 because they want their taxes on what they paid you. 181 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,720 And honestly, I'd rather just kill a bunch of them. 182 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,960 I bring customers, we have a good time, they enjoy it. 183 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:02,660 And at the same time, we're helping our landowners who these nutria are destroying their saltwater 184 00:11:02,660 --> 00:11:04,080 and freshwater marshes. 185 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:09,920 I think a logical question, and actually it's still a question in my mind, is maybe state 186 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,680 laws are explicit on this, but perhaps they're not. 187 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:19,080 Is there a, it's kind of a two-part question in two dimensions. 188 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:24,960 One is thermal thought of as differently than low light for the purposes of night hunting? 189 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Let's just put that question out there. 190 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,680 Do you get a pass on thermal where you wouldn't on low light or the other way around? 191 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:39,360 It's state by state dependent, but in my experience, most states treat them the same for night 192 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,360 time hunting. 193 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:45,560 Digital night vision thermal are both treated, at least in Louisiana, they are treated the 194 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,480 same for nighttime hunting. 195 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:55,200 Then that being the case, is there a clear definition of when night occurs? 196 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,520 In other words, it's within a certain number of minutes of sundown, it's in a certain 197 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,400 luminosity. 198 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:07,200 So most states give you 30 minutes after true sunset. 199 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:13,560 I know in Louisiana, if you were deer hunting in Louisiana, you can legally kill deer 30 200 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:18,040 minutes before legal daylight and 30 minutes after legal sunset. 201 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,600 And that's just because of the light that is still available and you can still see anything 202 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,880 after that is considered nighttime hunting. 203 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:32,400 So anything 30 minutes after legal sunset to 30 minutes before legal sunrise. 204 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:33,400 Okay. 205 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,480 Now, I don't know if I've mentioned this before. 206 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,240 I don't hunt and I have absolutely no problem with anybody who does. 207 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,680 It is not a moral issue. 208 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:43,160 It's just not something I do. 209 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,760 I didn't grow up with it. 210 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,920 Yeah, I just didn't grow up with it. 211 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Yeah. 212 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:48,920 Right. 213 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:54,600 You know, my scope is more of a personal protection thing because I could imagine that there might 214 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:00,280 be scenarios where I don't have a tag to handle criminals. 215 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,960 Don't think I need one. 216 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:08,400 Right, but if there is a situation where I needed something a little light, the thing 217 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:17,680 that really impressed the hell out of me on the X-Sight 5 was its ability to manage contrast. 218 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:21,960 Because in high contrast situations, I mean, not only a low light, but sometimes in high 219 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:29,920 contrast situations, a passive and I mean traditional glass lens only scope is just, 220 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:35,120 you know, the image sharpness might be great, but you still can't pick out the thing in 221 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,120 the shadow. 222 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,120 Exactly. 223 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:43,520 And as the light starts to dim, you know, even though I don't know what class of, how 224 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,960 did they used to say that there are certain classes of night vision scopes? 225 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:49,960 I don't know. 226 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:50,960 So that was a military. 227 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,960 Gen 1, Gen 2, yeah. 228 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:54,960 Right. 229 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,040 And that is true, you know, night vision, not digital. 230 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,920 That is, you know, your PVS and 14s, 31s, stuff like that. 231 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,520 That is true or military type night vision. 232 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,900 Whereas the X-5 is a digital night vision. 233 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:21,200 So it doesn't fall into any of those classifications, but as such, I mean, I showed it to, in fact, 234 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,520 by the way, I just made the AT&T sale today, I think, because I have a friend who I showed 235 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:32,080 it to, who's prior military, and he became enamored with the scope and now it looks like 236 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,160 he's going to buy one. 237 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,920 So you know, that's the purpose here, right? 238 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,640 We're helping out each other. 239 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:43,400 But if you were to talk to someone who is a skeptic, because, you know, gun people tend 240 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,440 to be really skeptical people, I think. 241 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,060 Traditional, they kind of stick with what they know. 242 00:14:50,060 --> 00:14:53,480 If you're talking to a person who is just like, you know, nope, I ain't doing it. 243 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,140 I'm not spending my money that way. 244 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:57,040 I have the perfect scenario. 245 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:02,560 So one of my coworkers is an avid hunter, deer hunter, duck hunter. 246 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,340 His little girl, I think she's 10. 247 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:12,560 He was having not a problem, but she would shoot and of course, on paper, he can see 248 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,560 what she's doing. 249 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,200 But on a live animal, she would hit deer. 250 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,000 And I recommended AT&T X-5. 251 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,220 And I said, listen, you can record what she's doing. 252 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:26,080 You can see what she's doing. 253 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:32,080 I said, you can even stream it to your phone and see what she sees as she's seeing it in 254 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,760 real time. 255 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:42,440 And so that was a great tool for him to help teach her rifle shooting. 256 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:48,360 Now in Louisiana, going back to our, what we were talking about prior, in Louisiana, 257 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:54,440 the X-site is not allowed for even for daytime deer hunting because the law says you cannot 258 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:02,720 use a digital or electronic optic designed for night vision is illegal to shoot deer. 259 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,800 It doesn't matter if it's noon on a bright sunny day. 260 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,680 By definition, I recently just found that out by speaking to one of our local game wardens. 261 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:17,560 There is a law, an older law, which I think was probably designed for true like starlight 262 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,520 night vision optics. 263 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:26,840 But it really needs to be updated because if I'm hunting at noon, all the X-site is 264 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,040 an optic that can record my shot. 265 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,040 It's not doing anything in the evenings. 266 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:38,040 I have to have an IR illuminator if I was trying to illegally kill deer at night with 267 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,040 it. 268 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:44,880 And that's probably the big difference going back to the true night vision or the classes 269 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,840 of night vision versus digital. 270 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:54,880 Is that digital optic without an IR illuminator is not real great in low light situations. 271 00:16:54,880 --> 00:17:01,200 But the other benefits that I think to the ATN, the capability to go from day to night 272 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:07,200 with just the addition of an illuminator, and more importantly is the price point. 273 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:13,720 It's the easiest way to get into nighttime predator hunting, hogs, coyotes. 274 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:20,280 You can get the high end, the 5x25 X-site 5 for I think 900 bucks. 275 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,280 I mean, don't quote me on exact price. 276 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:23,280 Without the LRF. 277 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,280 Yeah. 278 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,360 Without the LRF, it's under a thousand bucks. 279 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:35,000 So a guy who wants to coyote hunt, wants to shoot hogs at night, can get into the game 280 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 for under a thousand bucks. 281 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,160 And we talk about frugal. 282 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:45,560 I mean, that compared to thermal where your lower end thermals can run two to five to 283 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,520 as high as 12 grand, depending on what you're buying. 284 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:55,200 For some guys, that's the quickest and easiest way to get into the nighttime hunting game. 285 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:02,000 I would say that that's still, you know, considering what thermals used to cost and what the quality 286 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,000 used to be. 287 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,240 I mean, we're going to talk about the Blaze series here, not quite yet, but we're going 288 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,720 to get to that. 289 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:15,240 Well, some of the more, the feature rich set in this X-site 5, I mean, it does elevation 290 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,400 and depression angles. 291 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,880 It has a compass built into it. 292 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,560 As you mentioned, it can record to an SD card. 293 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,320 It can also stream at the same time. 294 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,880 Ballistic compensator. 295 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,640 Yeah, the ballistic compensator. 296 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,960 And the ability to customize reticles. 297 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,600 I mean, it sounds like, well, of course that's obvious as a digital device, but I mean, how 298 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:45,440 many people have thought about, well, I can switch this from MOA to mil dot to BDC to 299 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,420 just a circle and a dot and I can do that on the fly. 300 00:18:48,420 --> 00:18:53,160 And by the way, if I don't like, I think it's seven different versions that are loaded in 301 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,160 the thing. 302 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,720 You can modify them how you want them, man. 303 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,800 See, I'm not an artistic guy, so I stick with what comes on it. 304 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:04,640 But some of our other pro staff I have seen and am very jealous of some of the reticles 305 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,440 these guys have designed. 306 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:13,160 I look at them like, man, you put hours into these amazing reticles and have actually poached 307 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,200 a few from some of the guys because that's not my personality. 308 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,200 I'm not a very artistic type guy, but those guys have made some amazing reticles. 309 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,960 And according to them, it's pretty easy to do. 310 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,600 You know, actually, I don't think that ATN supports this, but it'd be kind of interesting 311 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:34,240 if they had like a community webpage where people could post a reticle and then someone 312 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,240 could download it and then upload it into their scope. 313 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,640 Yeah, that'd be awesome. 314 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:44,360 That's just a suggestion, you know, but it seems like, you know, that'd be kind of fun. 315 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:48,160 And I mean, the geek factor in this thing is nuts. 316 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,560 But the optical quality is there too. 317 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,300 And when I kept going back, it was one of the only booths that I visited multiple times 318 00:19:54,300 --> 00:19:56,440 it shot because you don't have the time. 319 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:03,280 And I just kept picking it up and they're on these little, not quite a whole rifle stock. 320 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,640 And I still would point it at the ceiling. 321 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,060 I wouldn't flag people even though it's not a gun. 322 00:20:07,060 --> 00:20:11,600 And I'd look up into the rafters and the rafters is an area which is black. 323 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:17,040 It has white lights on it, of course, which for any other scope is a disaster. 324 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:22,200 And this thing was able to pick up details in amongst the dark areas that a regular scope, 325 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,520 no matter what the quality was, could not do. 326 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,920 When did they bring 4K technology into the game? 327 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,800 Because I remember, like I said before, it was kind of so resolution before. 328 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,960 Now it's right. 329 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,840 We had the 4K Pro. 330 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,040 I'm not sure the exact year. 331 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,600 Again, we resort back to your prior statement. 332 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,960 I'm not an ATN employee. 333 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,320 I'm an ATN Pro staff. 334 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,560 But it's been a few years. 335 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,800 The Excite 4K Pro has been out. 336 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,680 And I tell you, a game changer. 337 00:20:52,680 --> 00:21:00,960 I had one of the original ATN Excites and just the clarity when they came out with the 338 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,680 4K blew me away. 339 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:10,840 And now with the Excite 5 being even crisper, cleaner, clearer, excellent technology, I 340 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,040 think, in my opinion. 341 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,480 But it sounds like from what you said before, you'd sort of weigh on the side of the thermals 342 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,480 just for maybe your use case. 343 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,480 Correct. 344 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,040 Not a lot of city lights are out in the Delta. 345 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:29,200 Well, I'll tell you the big difference for me, because I'm traditionally hunting for 346 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,000 farmers and ranchers. 347 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,960 We're primarily targeting coyotes and hogs. 348 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,720 If I was going out to shoot one coyote, Digital Night Vision is perfect. 349 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,560 And I kill a lot of hogs. 350 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,600 I have the whole game, but I run the Excite. 351 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,500 I run the Thor thermals. 352 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:50,560 But I also get on a lot of pigs. 353 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:56,760 And a single pig or a single coyote with Night Vision with IR is not bad. 354 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:02,480 But follow-up shots can be very hard to find those animals very quickly. 355 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:11,960 Where with thermal, because they stand out so well, follow-up shots with thermal are 356 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,800 a heck of a lot easier. 357 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,800 So when you got 20 pigs and you're trying to kill as many of them as quickly as you 358 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:23,160 can, it's way easier to pick those running pigs up through thermal than it is through 359 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,520 a digital night vision with an IR illuminator on it. 360 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,000 And that's why for me, thermal. 361 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,040 Now again, I have the Excite. 362 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,500 I use it. 363 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:38,460 It's a good introductory option for a lot of people. 364 00:22:38,460 --> 00:22:39,560 And so I keep those. 365 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:40,560 I use those. 366 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,080 I loan them to people. 367 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,200 I have guys that, hey man, what's the difference in thermal and night vision? 368 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,200 Well, here you go. 369 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,320 Let's go shoot them and I'll show you the difference. 370 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:55,120 When we were using the Blaze Seeker, we had an opportunity to go out into not perfectly 371 00:22:55,120 --> 00:23:00,280 dark because this is Southern California and you get really dark, you got to go really 372 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,560 far out. 373 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,280 But we were using the Blaze Seeker and I was blown away. 374 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:11,440 I mean, I had not closely looked at thermal or any of the night vision technology in a 375 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,080 long time because to me it had always been like, eh, it's going to be too expensive. 376 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,840 You can't afford it. 377 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,160 And man, it was unreal. 378 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,080 I'm just sitting there astounded at it. 379 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:33,040 And I happen to have a cabin up in the mountains near Big Bear, which is a popular here. 380 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:39,560 And I'm absolutely going to be saving up here and buying at least one of the thermal monoculars 381 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:46,800 here because we have mountain lion, we have, I'm not going to be shooting them in the neighborhood 382 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,440 as it were, but it's nice to be able to avoid them. 383 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:50,440 No, they're there. 384 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,440 And no, they're there. 385 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,800 We got bears, we got raccoons, we've got big horn sheep. 386 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,960 We have all of these things that go wandering around and you hear things and you're not 387 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:02,000 exactly sure what the heck it is. 388 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,840 And this is just a total game changer. 389 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:11,280 I mean, I was just so floored not only by the quality of what we were able to see, but, 390 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,920 and I'm asking, well, how much is this? 391 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,920 And it's like, really? 392 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,920 Really? 393 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,800 You know, I mean, I think the list price is like, you know, 530 bucks or something. 394 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:25,480 And I'm just like, this is astounding what it's able to do. 395 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,480 Yeah. 396 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,000 The, the, the, the specific one that, um, yeah. 397 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:37,040 I've had that all the time. 398 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,720 You know, this is not a hangover from the holidays guys. 399 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,160 It was just like my ability to talk in 2025 seems to be challenged. 400 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,160 I have to relearn it or something. 401 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,680 Um, the, the, the, the unit that's on loan from ATN was the blaze seeker, uh, 1.5 to 402 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,040 12 X, which is the model two 56. 403 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,440 And, um, and again, without just because we don't disparage of the company's products, 404 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:05,360 I will not name, I had access to another competitor's product, a few years older. 405 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:10,200 So I have to take that into account that it's not a new, new, new device. 406 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:16,160 So it might not be on a parallel in terms of price point, but there, I will tell you 407 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,720 that their current offering the price point is a great deal higher. 408 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,160 And um, honestly, the blaze was better. 409 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,360 Feature set, feature set was better. 410 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,060 Uh, the field of vision was better. 411 00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:33,680 The presented image was a lot larger, uh, to the eye and the form factor. 412 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,840 You guys can't see this, but this is, I'm just guessing this is about a six and a half 413 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:38,840 inch cylinder. 414 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,880 So it's very nicely in the hand. 415 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,680 It's so small and compact. 416 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,680 Very light. 417 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,680 I love mine. 418 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,400 I have that exact same model. 419 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,820 Uh, I let customers use it all the time. 420 00:25:50,820 --> 00:25:53,080 It's so light, so easy. 421 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:59,160 And it's the size of a, you know, a men's deodorant can at best or, or a small can of 422 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,160 hairspray. 423 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,160 It's tiny. 424 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,160 Yeah. 425 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,640 I don't, don't use hairspray, but I could say maybe an antiperspirant can, but yeah, 426 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,640 exactly. 427 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,640 Yeah, there you go. 428 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,760 And the other thing that I found though was that, and maybe you can speak to this too, 429 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:19,800 Ryan, there are practical applications of thermal scopes beyond hunting and beyond your, 430 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,000 you know, is the Mexican cartel coming over the border to attack me or something like 431 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000 that. 432 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:32,880 I used it for detection of a water leak in a house where there was, um, hot water escaping 433 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,840 from an underground pipe and the heat was going up into the wall and the insurance company 434 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:43,240 didn't believe it until I sent them images that I was able to capture off of it and say, 435 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,720 well, yeah, here's the proof. 436 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,920 And all of a sudden there was a reconstruction project going on. 437 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,400 There's all kinds of other, I mean, maybe you have a couple of examples because you've 438 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,440 been exposed to this more than I have, but, but what are some other examples, why someone 439 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,680 would not want a thermal scope and specifically maybe not a rifle mounted scope, but just 440 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,680 a handheld binocular? 441 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,680 Yeah. 442 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:09,640 And Ryan, before you try me, let me, let me just say, I mean, I was using it just to locate 443 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,880 where the studs were in the wall of the side of the house. 444 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,320 It was unbelievable, you know, you sit there and, and, and obviously the house is warm. 445 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,000 It's cooler outside and you hold up the thermal script and you go, my God, there's all of 446 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,480 the, all of the studs, all of the blocking, you know, the fire blocking you might have 447 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,480 there. 448 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,000 You're basically, it's like an X-ray of the house. 449 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,520 It's, it's, it's astounding. 450 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,480 Um, so yeah. 451 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,400 And since Mike, I have a cabin, as I say, up in the mountains and my cabin is a hundred 452 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,400 years old. 453 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,400 It was built in 1924. 454 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,880 And it's, it's been enhanced and modified many times over the years. 455 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,560 And I know there are parts of the cabinet leak like a sieve. 456 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,560 And this particular tool is just unbelievable about finding out the leakiest parts of the 457 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,560 cabin. 458 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,920 And, and anyway, just, just amazed at the technology. 459 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:07,560 Well, some of the uses I, I personally, so my, we, we live in a rural area. 460 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:13,960 We're not far 10, 12 miles outside of the nearest town and we have neighbors, but there 461 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,520 are times I'm out hunting. 462 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,920 My wife may be home by herself. 463 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,020 She'll hear something. 464 00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:21,280 She steps out on the porch. 465 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:26,660 She has her own thermal monocular and she'll step out and scan our yard. 466 00:28:26,660 --> 00:28:28,160 We have a couple acres. 467 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,480 She'll scan, scan the yard, see what it is. 468 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:38,080 So for some people, especially the blaze seeker being so, so cheap, so small, it's really 469 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,400 easy for people to use for personal protection. 470 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:48,080 What finding what goes bump in the night looking, you know, what is it, where is it and being 471 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,360 able to see it in my job, we do search and rescue. 472 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,120 We're on the Gulf of Mexico. 473 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,120 I've used my, my thermals at work before we get called out at two in the morning, looking 474 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:07,080 for a stranded boat in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico or out in the ship channel. 475 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:13,320 It's real easy to see a boat or a ship or stranded people. 476 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,200 There's honestly the applications. 477 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:22,820 I have one former that I hunt for and he can, he hunted with me a few nights, used a monocular. 478 00:29:22,820 --> 00:29:24,340 He's like, this is the greatest thing ever. 479 00:29:24,340 --> 00:29:29,400 So he buys one and I asked him, I said, Hey, have you been hunting hogs? 480 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,400 He goes, Oh no, I use it to check my diesel tanks. 481 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:38,100 He said, I don't have to crawl up four flights of stairs because he can see the fuel levels 482 00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:43,380 in those tanks because of the, the temperature variances. 483 00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:47,720 So he'll drive by, look at a 500 gallon bulk tank and say, Oh, it's about time to fill 484 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,120 it up. 485 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,760 And so the applications are really strictly up to the user. 486 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:59,960 If it involves temperature variances, I've heard of people using them to find faulty 487 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:04,680 electrical outlets because they're arcing and causing heat. 488 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,920 Like you said, I've seen people use them as stud finders. 489 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,000 It's really only up to your imagination. 490 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:17,760 But for me, personal protection around our house, out in the country, search and rescue. 491 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:23,280 I'll tell you police and fire departments that do search and rescue. 492 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,640 You get in a wooded area and you have a child, an elderly person, especially an elderly person 493 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,280 with dementia. 494 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,000 They have a tendency, they hunker down. 495 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,160 Thermal is a game changer when you're trying to scan an area for a missing person. 496 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,640 And we use them quite a bit at our agency. 497 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:50,240 I will tell you that when you're talking to about, you mentioned the fluid level indicator. 498 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,760 I had never thought of that, but that would absolutely work. 499 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,440 The stud finder thing Ken and I have both experienced looking for outlets and things 500 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,060 like that that are generating heat in the house. 501 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:05,780 Looking for heat loss if you have a bad insulation is a good use. 502 00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:09,040 But the amount of difference, I don't think people appreciate this. 503 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,360 The amount of difference it takes for this thing to show an image is, I don't know, maybe 504 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,760 you don't know either one. 505 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,520 It's fractions of a degree. 506 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,240 Yeah, it's not much. 507 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:25,840 If you walk across a lawn, and I've done this experiment, or down a sidewalk or something, 508 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,240 you can see the person's footsteps. 509 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,240 Oh, absolutely. 510 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,240 Not for long. 511 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,600 For a short time after. 512 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,600 I used it to find my dog. 513 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,200 We have a slope behind my house and he's dark brown. 514 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,760 This is Southern California, so dark brown is kind of a common color. 515 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,760 I can't see him. 516 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,000 And all of a sudden, oh, there he is. 517 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,360 Well the other thing people don't realize, and it's a common misconception, is you can 518 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,640 use thermal during the daytime. 519 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:51,920 So people say that all the time. 520 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,440 They're like, wait a few years and thermal during the daytime to shoot pigs? 521 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:01,760 Like, yeah, it's monitoring the thermal variances. 522 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,680 So is it a little different if it's a hundred degree day and everything is hot? 523 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,680 Sure. 524 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:14,360 But man, just like you said, there's times I can scan the woods and see animals in the 525 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:20,200 woods even though it's 10 o'clock in the morning and I'm trying to find coyotes or pigs. 526 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,040 I can scan the tree line and see them sometimes tucked in the woods where I normally would 527 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,600 have never seen them. 528 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,800 Well, and something else that people don't always realize is the item that you're looking 529 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,160 for with a thermal scope does not have to be the hottest thing in the scene. 530 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,400 It might actually be cooler than the background. 531 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,860 And then it still shows up just great because as you pointed out correctly, it's looking 532 00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:43,160 at the thermal difference. 533 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,600 That's right. 534 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,880 Not just an absolute temperature range. 535 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:47,880 Okay. 536 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,160 So getting into the quality of the product and things like that, you offhandedly mentioned 537 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,040 that there are competitors out there. 538 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:04,080 Why would someone choose ATN versus, I don't know, perhaps a cheaper import or something 539 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,080 like that? 540 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,840 You know, I think the number one thing is our customer service. 541 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:16,760 You have issues with an ATN product, you reach out to our customer service, and they're going 542 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,280 to repair it or replace it for you. 543 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,800 Even though I'm on pro staff, I've had an occasional issue. 544 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,920 I use my optics, my monoculars with customers. 545 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:33,840 I've had them drop a monocular and scratch and gouge the lens, reach out to ATN and get 546 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,240 it taken care of. 547 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,360 And so probably for me, our biggest thing is our customer service. 548 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:45,960 On top of that is our products are made in Florida. 549 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,960 For the most part, all our products are made here. 550 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,940 And there may be products I'm not aware of that aren't made here, but for the most part, 551 00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:59,460 our products are assembled here in the United States. 552 00:33:59,460 --> 00:34:05,080 And so you're getting an American made product, not a knockoff from another country that if 553 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,200 you have an issue with it, you can never get it fixed or repaired. 554 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,280 Probably warranties cost things. 555 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,760 Every company sets their warranties according to their expectation of getting things back 556 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,840 because it's part of the price and everyone knows that. 557 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:24,740 So Ryan, the follow-up question then would be, how does ATN know that a product is ready 558 00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:25,740 for the street? 559 00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:28,040 And there's going to be durability issues. 560 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,120 And I think that there's a lot of, I mean, I have these suspicions myself that it's not 561 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,220 only optics, but it's a bunch of digital stuff going on inside this little package that might 562 00:34:37,220 --> 00:34:40,280 be exposed to bad environments. 563 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,800 Lots of things can go wrong. 564 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,080 And I'm not saying that you can't have things go wrong in traditional glass scope. 565 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,840 Of course you can because they're fragile too. 566 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,840 But how does ATN know that their products are ready for the real world? 567 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,760 You know, Craig, guys like myself, our pro staff, we have a large group of pro staffers 568 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,080 across the, not only the United States, but across Europe. 569 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,640 And we're using these optics on a daily basis. 570 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,600 I can give you a personal example. 571 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:14,040 Like I said, I take customers out, they use these optics, they're not there. 572 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,920 So we all know when something's not yours, you don't take real good care of it. 573 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,400 I have customers, they throw them in the back seat of the truck. 574 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,400 They throw them on the floorboard. 575 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,280 Don't you take care of a rental car just as if it was your own? 576 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,280 Yeah, exactly. 577 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,280 Come on now. 578 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,080 And so honestly, the way that about durability, because when I first got into the night vision 579 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,440 and thermal game, I babied my very first thermal. 580 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,480 I paid, you know, $4,000 for it. 581 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,480 I babied it. 582 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,360 I made sure. 583 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:49,480 And after all these years with customers just throwing them around, they're a lot more rugged 584 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,400 than people realize. 585 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,000 They're designed to be weather resistant. 586 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,080 They hold up. 587 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:03,320 They put a lot of testing to make sure it's kind of like your cell phone in your pocket. 588 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,940 Do you think about your cell phone, how much it gets banged around and thrown on a table? 589 00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:15,880 Our technology now is just so much more advanced than it was five years ago, 10 years ago, 590 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,240 that these optics are just a lot more durable than people give them credit for. 591 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:30,080 And like I said, the process and testers and folks like that put them through a lot of 592 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,320 rigorous work. 593 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,320 Right. 594 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,240 I mean, as part of being frugal and stuff, I totally understand. 595 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,200 If I invest in something, I will baby it. 596 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,520 I will take care of it. 597 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,960 I will keep the original box if I'm not using it. 598 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,080 Whatever it might be, I mean, it will be cared for. 599 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,880 Now, one of the things that I could talk about, maybe you know a little bit about, is the 600 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,480 internal rechargeable battery. 601 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,480 Yes. 602 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,640 I could point about it because I mean, battery technology has been evolving wildly over the 603 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,000 last, and we've seen it in cell phones where, you know, the original cell phones, it lasts, 604 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000 battery lasts three, four hours. 605 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,600 You got to stick it back in the charger. 606 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,120 Now you get a couple days. 607 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,400 Yeah, several days. 608 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:16,120 And if an internal battery goes bad or needs to be replaced in three or five years from 609 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,280 now, is ATN going to be able to help us with that? 610 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,280 Yeah, absolutely. 611 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:32,280 I can tell you though, I have optics that are six, five years old, that still, I'll 612 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,120 give you the example of Thor 4 thermal, which is the predecessor to Thor 5. 613 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,400 I get 18 hours of battery life on that thing. 614 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,200 I think six years old, it's the very first scope, first thermal I bought. 615 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:49,400 I still have my original Thor 4 384, and that thing is still a go getter. 616 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,200 I can charge it and customers use that gun all the time. 617 00:37:54,200 --> 00:38:00,600 But if you were to have an issue, the battery does, on those optics, does have to be replaced 618 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,940 at the factory. 619 00:38:01,940 --> 00:38:07,560 You contact customer service, get with them, and I'm sure they'll get you taken care of, 620 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,560 Ken. 621 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,360 I know about, maybe you're not the guy on the inside to answer this question, but stemming 622 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,040 off all the improvements and things like that, do you know what's in the pipeline that you 623 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,920 can talk about? 624 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,000 I do not. 625 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,200 I'm as excited about Shot Show as everybody else. 626 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,560 I'm hoping it's something new and outstanding. 627 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:34,320 And I really, I wish I knew, but I don't know what's coming down the pipeline, Greg. 628 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,120 Well then I got a perfect follow up for you, which is ATN has something called an upgrade 629 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,120 program. 630 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,120 Yes. 631 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,920 Tell me about that if you can. 632 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,920 Sure. 633 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:53,280 So that ATN upgrade program, if you buy your optic new from ATN and you buy that optic, 634 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,960 and let's say four months down the line, you realize, man, I really wish I had bought a 635 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,320 640 thermal. 636 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,800 Just an example, you bought a 384. 637 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:12,240 If you contact ATN, they will give you that cost of that optic towards your new optic. 638 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:15,160 So basically, we'll just ballpark it. 639 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:21,640 The 384 you bought costs three grand and the optic you want's five grand. 640 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:28,720 Depending on how long you've had it, they'll give you that amount towards your new optic. 641 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,520 And so really you're not losing a whole bunch. 642 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:37,240 And again, don't quote me on how much they give you, but I know that I have two friends 643 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:42,160 who personally, I told them, hey, get the 640. 644 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,560 They were very adamant about getting the 384. 645 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,960 Then they would shoot a 640 and they said, hey man, I want to upgrade it. 646 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,680 A friend of mine, Eric, a very good friend of mine, when he upgraded his, they gave him 647 00:39:53,680 --> 00:40:00,280 a hundred percent of what he paid for towards his new 640. 648 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,480 And that was only, I think he only had it two or three months. 649 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,400 So I think it really depends on how long you've had it. 650 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:14,520 After a year, it may be less or whatever, but yes, they do offer you an upgrade incentive, 651 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,000 so to say, to upgrade your optic. 652 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,840 Well, I mean, how many companies do that at all? 653 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,760 And it's a small list, I'm telling you. 654 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,400 Brand loyalty right there. 655 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,400 That's good. 656 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,400 Yeah, exactly. 657 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,400 You know what? 658 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:35,160 I failed to mention earlier, a feature I just thought about was the one shot zero. 659 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,840 My absolute favorite thing. 660 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,840 Yeah. 661 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,840 Okay. 662 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,840 Frugal people, frugal. 663 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,860 Tell us how a one shot zero goes. 664 00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:42,860 It's so easy. 665 00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:44,960 A caveman can do it. 666 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:45,960 And I actually did. 667 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,440 And this is not a Geico commercial. 668 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,120 No, it's not, not at all. 669 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,120 Honestly. 670 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,160 So we'll use the Thor 5. 671 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,480 I'll shoot. 672 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,960 I'll see my impact point. 673 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,960 You put the crosshairs where you were originally aiming. 674 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,880 You go into our one shot zero function. 675 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:09,140 You move the, and when you hit the one shot zero, it brings up a second set of crosshairs. 676 00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:13,720 You move those, you hold on your original point of aim. 677 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:21,120 You move the crosshairs where you're around impacted and hit save and it drags and adjust 678 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,340 it and you're there. 679 00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:30,640 So what I traditionally do is I'll start at say a hundred yards as far out as the zoom 680 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:31,640 is. 681 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,480 So let's say we're shooting a base magnification of four and I get it there. 682 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:43,420 Well, you can tighten that group up quite a bit because at four power, your minute of 683 00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:46,560 angle is pretty big as you zoom in. 684 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:54,280 So let's say it's a four by 32 thermal, I can zoom in and get in pretty tight and it's 685 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,080 making smaller minute of angle adjustments. 686 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,400 The more you zoom in. 687 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:04,640 So I can get it really close at four power and then I can zoom into, let's say 20 power 688 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,120 and get it even tighter and you can just tighten it up as much as you want. 689 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:19,920 But to just one shot, get it in the X, so to say it literally is a one shot zero. 690 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,360 How much ammo are you saving there guys? 691 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,640 With the cost of ammo, it all adds up. 692 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,860 And again, I know we don't talk about other kind of, I have some glass optics that I absolutely 693 00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:33,800 love also. 694 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,040 And sometimes it takes me five, six, eight shots. 695 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:43,760 Well, depending on what rifle I'm shooting, you might look at two dollars a round where 696 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,960 I can make maybe two or three shots with the one shot zero and beyond. 697 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,560 It adds up really quick. 698 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,560 It does. 699 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,560 It does. 700 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,800 You got any funny stories, other little anecdotes, things like that you want to share with our 701 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,400 listeners as we're getting toward the end here? 702 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,480 You know, talking about thermal and what you see through thermal, there's crazy stuff you 703 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,960 see when you're riding around two, three, four in the morning looking for hogs and coyotes. 704 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:18,560 And one of my forums we pulled up scanning and we see a guy taking batteries out of a 705 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:19,920 tractor. 706 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:27,960 We've seen other people where they think they're in the middle of a cornfield in a vehicle 707 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:34,800 or outside of a vehicle and they think they're all alone in the middle of a cornfield visiting. 708 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,560 We'll leave it at that. 709 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,480 And you're like, oh, wow, am I really seeing what I think I'm seeing? 710 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:48,840 So you see crazy stuff out at night through thermal that otherwise you might not see. 711 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,600 See there's your reason right there. 712 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,160 You wouldn't want to have it maybe mounted on a weapon while you're observing people. 713 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,160 Monoculars. 714 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,160 Monoculars. 715 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,160 Monoculars. 716 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:06,800 Because if you had a flinch response that might just not go very well. 717 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:12,520 Anything else you want to share about websites where, you know, if you're doing, if you or 718 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,920 ATN is doing any events that people should be aware of or social media accounts they 719 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,440 should look at all that stuff. 720 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,440 Right. 721 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,960 So I tell everybody, of course, if you're on Facebook, there's ATN. 722 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:34,000 ATN Core, if you go to our website, which is ATNcore.com, you can check us out. 723 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:39,320 If you have, if you're a new ATN owner, you can actually sign up for the ATN University 724 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,600 and they do a free class where they walk you through the X site and the Thor 5 and they 725 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,680 teach you how to effectively use it. 726 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,960 We found over the years that people are like, oh, it's a piece of junk. 727 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,440 Well, what do they do? 728 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,200 Like most guys, they don't read the book or try to find anything. 729 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,080 They just go try to use it. 730 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:05,320 And with a little bit of help, it makes the product so much more productive. 731 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:10,840 And so Facebook, we have an ATN Smart HD group that you can come in. 732 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,800 A lot of the pro staff are there. 733 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:19,480 We answer questions on a daily basis and it's not a pick on you or there's no, you know, 734 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,000 the old there's no stupid questions. 735 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,040 Come in, ask questions. 736 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,040 We want to help you. 737 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,720 We want you to enjoy your ATN products to the best of their abilities. 738 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:29,720 Outstanding. 739 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,400 Ken, you got anything else for our guests to this, this evening? 740 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,440 No, other than the fact that, I mean, as I say, it was not a technology, it was a technology 741 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,160 I was aware of, but not a technology that I used. 742 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,920 And in just using the Blaze Seeker floored, I'm astounded. 743 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,840 And I'm looking forward to that shop to see anything new that might come on the market. 744 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:56,800 But if we have people with limited funds and just want to get into, to Thermal, the Blaze 745 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,680 Seeker, I had a price point of, you know, just over $500 list. 746 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:08,080 Phenomenal product with unbelievable uses around the house. 747 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,840 Things you haven't even thought about. 748 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,880 So yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. 749 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,880 Yeah. 750 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:14,880 Exactly. 751 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:15,880 Exactly. 752 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,000 Any closing, you know, save rounds there, Ryan? 753 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,160 Well, you know, you guys ever down in Louisiana? 754 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,680 Come make a hog or coyote hunt with me. 755 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,360 You know, I run Marino's Outfitters. 756 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,120 You can find us on Facebook or Instagram. 757 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,000 Be glad to take you guys out hunting. 758 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,880 I know you said you're not a big hunter, but maybe we'll get you started, get you introduced 759 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,880 to it. 760 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:34,880 But I'm not adverse to it though. 761 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,240 And particularly for vermin, you know, that's where. 762 00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:40,240 We'd love to have you guys. 763 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,960 Y'all, y'all welcome anytime. 764 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,280 Just let me know and we'll get y'all taken care of. 765 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,280 Sounds good. 766 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,280 All right. 767 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,280 Thank you for your time. 768 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,280 Thank you all for having me. 769 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,280 I appreciate it. 770 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,280 Thank you. 771 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,280 Good night. 772 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,600 So, well, Ken, that was an outstanding guest. 773 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,840 Another in our, you know what? 774 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,480 I'm just going to say it again. 775 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,880 We are the best gun related podcast in the universe. 776 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:02,880 That's audio only. 777 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:03,880 Far enough. 778 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:04,880 Of course. 779 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:05,880 I believe that as well. 780 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,880 Yeah. 781 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,880 We get to the point. 782 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,400 We, we let our guests own the floor and we make it happen. 783 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:17,760 And I really hope that, that more people will expose themselves to these products because, 784 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,200 you know, that the, the, the ability to do stuff you just never thought you could do. 785 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,200 Exactly. 786 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,440 And this thermal technology is phenomenal. 787 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,480 I mean, if you think you've seen it or you think you've seen it on a movie or TV, um, 788 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,480 wow. 789 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,480 Take a look at it. 790 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,680 If you have an opportunity to take a look at the ATN, this is basically a monocular. 791 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,400 The uses around your house that you wouldn't have thought about. 792 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,480 Astounding. 793 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,520 Just amazing. 794 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,520 And if you're a geek like me and you like doing stuff like designing radicals, even 795 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,520 silly radicals. 796 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,800 I mean, you could have something with a smiley face and you know, the, the, you know, the 797 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,280 button nose is, is the center of the radical or something like that. 798 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,080 I mean, you can do stuff like that just for the hell of it. 799 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,900 I mean, you know, and that by itself, I'm not saying that makes that justifies the cost 800 00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:09,280 of the object, but I mean, it's worth a little bit of fun at the range. 801 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:15,280 But as frugal, I mean, this technology is getting into that realm of, yeah, it, it before 802 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,440 was a, something you'd never be able to buy. 803 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,240 And then, and it's kind of like getting down to the point where, you know, this is a doable 804 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:23,240 thing. 805 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:27,880 This is a technology that I can add to my, to my collection, something I can use. 806 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:28,880 So exactly. 807 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:29,880 Exactly. 808 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:30,880 All right. 809 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,740 So, um, next up, I, you know, maybe we'll have some live content from the shot show 810 00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:40,720 because the next show we're going to be producing is to the right side of the shot show. 811 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:41,720 Maybe we'll get something there. 812 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,440 At least we'll get some more contacts. 813 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,400 But everyone, if you have a company that you think is good, I mean, we just gave her a 814 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,400 free plug. 815 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,920 I just gave her a free plug today to a company I didn't know about until a few days ago. 816 00:48:53,920 --> 00:49:03,720 Get ahold of us at frugalfirearmspodcast at gmail.com or just visit the website frugalfirearmspodcast.com. 817 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:04,720 Anything else Ken? 818 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,200 Nope, that'll do it. 819 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,680 I wish everybody a happy new year or 2025. 820 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:11,680 Let's make it a good one. 821 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,680 All right. 822 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,680 Good night folks. 823 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:14,680 Thanks for watching. 824 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,680 We'll see you next time. 825 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:43,800 Do you want to ask it, Ken?