WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.660 Hey, Frugal Firearms listeners. This show was 00:00:02.660 --> 00:00:05.459 recorded while Anderson Manufacturing was still 00:00:05.459 --> 00:00:08.500 the predominant manufacturer of value -centric 00:00:08.500 --> 00:00:12.320 AR -15 related parts in the United States. After 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.599 the show was recorded, Ruger purchased outright 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:18.839 Anderson Manufacturing, killed the name, and 00:00:18.839 --> 00:00:21.399 shut down the business. They did keep the manufacturing 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:24.719 facility for their own needs. But some of the 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:28.000 survivors of Anderson Manufacturing, including 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:31.339 our guest today, Kyle Wade, moved on to another 00:00:31.339 --> 00:00:34.700 company that is now redefining the space in terms 00:00:34.700 --> 00:00:38.439 of value, and that's One Horse. So everything 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.340 we said with Kyle, except for the discussion 00:00:41.340 --> 00:00:44.320 about Anderson's pistol, is completely valid 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:47.460 and applicable to One Horse. Same great people, 00:00:47.619 --> 00:00:51.600 great products. Probably better, actually. So 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:55.579 get yourself over to theonehorse .com. And again, 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:59.840 theonehorse .com. And find yourself the stuff 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:02.520 that we talk about in here. Have a great listen. 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:10.659 Like I've used your lowers. Ken's used your lowers. 00:01:11.019 --> 00:01:17.129 I have six of your lowers. Dude, six? you guys 00:01:17.129 --> 00:01:18.890 don't even want to know i don't even know how 00:01:18.890 --> 00:01:22.109 many i have but i have okay i don't have six 00:01:22.109 --> 00:01:24.230 because i had no place to store six but anyway 00:01:48.350 --> 00:01:52.730 Welcome to Episode 7 of the Frugal Firearms Podcast, 00:01:53.049 --> 00:01:55.390 the podcast that you want to listen to if you 00:01:55.390 --> 00:01:58.269 want to shoot and save money, because we all 00:01:58.269 --> 00:02:00.409 have other bills to pay. Well, at least most 00:02:00.409 --> 00:02:02.849 of us do. We all have other expenses. We all 00:02:02.849 --> 00:02:05.689 have other priorities in life. Well, most of 00:02:05.689 --> 00:02:08.069 us do. And today we're going to bring on a guest 00:02:08.069 --> 00:02:11.050 from Anderson Manufacturing, if you're familiar 00:02:11.050 --> 00:02:14.990 with them, the manufacturer of... most of the 00:02:14.990 --> 00:02:17.009 lower receivers that you're going to come across 00:02:17.009 --> 00:02:20.009 if you're doing an ar -15 build and they represent 00:02:20.009 --> 00:02:22.349 value and we're going to talk about that value 00:02:22.349 --> 00:02:25.150 proposition so i'm here with my co -host ken 00:02:25.150 --> 00:02:28.009 ken say hello to our listeners hello welcome 00:02:28.009 --> 00:02:29.629 listeners thank you for joining us again this 00:02:29.629 --> 00:02:32.469 week and ken why did we want to bring on anderson 00:02:32.469 --> 00:02:37.030 manufacturing well anderson has for many years 00:02:37.030 --> 00:02:42.169 now basically been a a very good value For me, 00:02:42.229 --> 00:02:46.370 I own a number of them. I like them. I've used 00:02:46.370 --> 00:02:48.569 them for some of my builds. I have some that 00:02:48.569 --> 00:02:52.009 I have not yet built on. And I just think that 00:02:52.009 --> 00:02:55.169 what our show focuses on, frugal, being able 00:02:55.169 --> 00:02:57.689 to get value for the lowest amount of dollars, 00:02:57.729 --> 00:03:01.610 I believe that Anderson is an excellent manufacturer 00:03:01.610 --> 00:03:04.849 for helping the average person get there. So 00:03:04.849 --> 00:03:07.830 with that closet full of lowers that you haven't 00:03:07.830 --> 00:03:11.689 built yet, Ken, what sort of plans do you have 00:03:11.689 --> 00:03:14.449 for those? Oh, just some different ones. I'd 00:03:14.449 --> 00:03:18.370 like to do a longer barrel version, probably 00:03:18.370 --> 00:03:21.889 like a 24 -inch sometime target one at some point 00:03:21.889 --> 00:03:26.150 in time. And I think I mentioned to you one time, 00:03:26.250 --> 00:03:29.629 I'd like to build a 458 SOCOM version. I'm going 00:03:29.629 --> 00:03:32.509 to let you shoot that first. Absolutely. I'll 00:03:32.509 --> 00:03:35.129 let you shoot that first, and then I'll take 00:03:35.129 --> 00:03:38.610 a couple shots on it. So the conversation that 00:03:38.610 --> 00:03:41.409 we're going to enter into here was one that was 00:03:41.409 --> 00:03:44.389 started at the SHOT Show when I met Mr. Kyle 00:03:44.389 --> 00:03:48.509 Wade from Anderson Manufacturing. I had a really 00:03:48.509 --> 00:03:51.740 long... and fruitful conversation at the show. 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.659 And we want to bring him on to let Anderson tell 00:03:55.659 --> 00:03:58.439 its story. And we wanted to get their perspective 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.460 on value, of course, which is the center of the 00:04:01.460 --> 00:04:04.819 show, but understand how a company starts and 00:04:04.819 --> 00:04:07.539 maintains their market presence in a challenging 00:04:07.539 --> 00:04:10.039 environment. So Kyle, welcome to the show. And 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:12.860 why don't you tell us who you are and how you 00:04:12.860 --> 00:04:15.680 got to where you are? Hey, Craig. First off, 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.269 thanks for having me on the show. It's an honor 00:04:18.269 --> 00:04:21.250 and I really appreciate that. Like you said, 00:04:21.329 --> 00:04:24.089 my name is Kyle Wade. I'm a content creator here 00:04:24.089 --> 00:04:26.750 at Anderson Manufacturing. I do public affairs 00:04:26.750 --> 00:04:29.550 and marketing as well. All right, so I started 00:04:29.550 --> 00:04:33.889 at Anderson in 2020 amidst the COVID -19 pandemic. 00:04:34.350 --> 00:04:37.110 I was a full -time student at the time working 00:04:37.110 --> 00:04:40.209 at a local construction hardware store, kind 00:04:40.209 --> 00:04:42.790 of physical labor, whatnot. When everything shut 00:04:42.790 --> 00:04:45.670 down, I got laid off. And, you know, back in 00:04:45.670 --> 00:04:49.149 a past life, And, you know, still have the title. 00:04:49.230 --> 00:04:53.689 I was a United States Marine. Thank you for your 00:04:53.689 --> 00:04:56.990 service. Thank you. So with that being said, 00:04:57.209 --> 00:04:59.490 being a full -time student and working at the 00:04:59.490 --> 00:05:02.430 construction shop was awesome because it kept 00:05:02.430 --> 00:05:05.850 me busy. It kept me, gave me purpose, all that. 00:05:06.269 --> 00:05:09.149 And when COVID -19 hit, part of the pandemic 00:05:09.149 --> 00:05:12.329 a lot of people don't talk about is what it did 00:05:12.329 --> 00:05:15.319 to people mentally. Me being inside my house 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.959 and not having anything to do. You can only do 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:20.720 so much around the house until you get a little 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.860 stir crazy. And I feel like my story really speaks 00:05:24.860 --> 00:05:28.920 volumes as to who the Andersons are and what 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.300 Anderson manufacturing is all about. And here's 00:05:31.300 --> 00:05:33.740 why. I got to a point to where it was getting 00:05:33.740 --> 00:05:37.040 pretty dark for me. I was just, you know, staying 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.939 in bed all day and, you know, really not being 00:05:39.939 --> 00:05:43.199 myself. I'm a pretty active guy. And I was sitting 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:44.800 there and I was, you know, you know how it goes. 00:05:44.819 --> 00:05:46.680 You're in bed, you're scrolling your phone, you're 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.240 checking social medias, watching YouTube, whatever. 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.459 I happened to catch an Anderson video and I was 00:05:52.459 --> 00:05:54.459 like, man, Anderson's right in my backyard. I 00:05:54.459 --> 00:05:56.459 grew up in Hebron, Kentucky. It's right in my 00:05:56.459 --> 00:05:58.220 backyard. Is that the way to say it? I always 00:05:58.220 --> 00:06:00.720 thought it was Hebron. No, it's Hebron. Okay. 00:06:00.779 --> 00:06:02.959 All right. I learned something. There you go. 00:06:04.500 --> 00:06:07.300 But no, I seen it. And then I'm like, you know 00:06:07.300 --> 00:06:10.800 what? Something spurred inside of me. Go to andersonmanufacturing 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.829 .com. Find a way to contact them and just shoot 00:06:14.829 --> 00:06:17.990 your shot. Say, hey, here's my situation. Here's 00:06:17.990 --> 00:06:20.589 my background. Here's why I'd be a good fit for 00:06:20.589 --> 00:06:22.889 Anderson Manufacturing. And then without going 00:06:22.889 --> 00:06:24.750 into detail what that email said, it was pretty 00:06:24.750 --> 00:06:27.149 heartfelt just because of the state of mind I 00:06:27.149 --> 00:06:31.430 was in at the time. And the very next day, something 00:06:31.430 --> 00:06:34.250 I was not expecting, the owner's wife, Teresa 00:06:34.250 --> 00:06:37.069 Anderson, sent me an email from her personal 00:06:37.069 --> 00:06:39.949 email and said, when's the soonest time you can 00:06:39.949 --> 00:06:43.019 get in here for an interview? fill out an application 00:06:43.019 --> 00:06:46.199 anything she just wanted to interview me on the 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.379 spot I guess from what the context of the email 00:06:49.379 --> 00:06:52.959 said so they pulled me in did the interview everything 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:57.639 went well and I started an assembly and literally 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:00.500 just started at the bottom rung of the ladder 00:07:00.500 --> 00:07:03.759 and just ever since then been going hard and 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:07.439 trying to do what I can to thank the Andersons 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:10.420 for all that they've done for me and really that's 00:07:10.730 --> 00:07:13.230 giving me a purpose and you know just kind of 00:07:13.230 --> 00:07:15.430 let me come in here and be be a part of this 00:07:15.430 --> 00:07:18.589 company they sound like really good people they 00:07:18.589 --> 00:07:21.009 really yeah this is a great story we've never 00:07:21.009 --> 00:07:22.850 had a guest who's actually kind of gone that 00:07:22.850 --> 00:07:25.829 direction you know with with his personal experience 00:07:25.829 --> 00:07:28.829 and and how you know company gave him gave him 00:07:28.829 --> 00:07:31.170 purpose in life i mean when did you leave the 00:07:31.170 --> 00:07:34.050 core what was it right before the pandemic uh 00:07:34.050 --> 00:07:38.410 2017. okay so not not right before but close 00:07:38.410 --> 00:07:41.850 enough Close enough, yes. Yeah. And by the way, 00:07:41.870 --> 00:07:44.209 what was your specialty in the Corps? I was a 00:07:44.209 --> 00:07:49.350 combat engineer, 1371. Nice, nice. So, okay, 00:07:49.470 --> 00:07:52.329 so you referenced the type of people, you know, 00:07:52.329 --> 00:07:54.930 the owner's wife, for example. Tell us about 00:07:54.930 --> 00:07:57.850 how the company got going and, you know, what 00:07:57.850 --> 00:08:00.050 their kind of their mission statement. You know, 00:08:00.089 --> 00:08:02.910 you being a Marine, you understand, you know, 00:08:02.910 --> 00:08:06.629 mission statements, you know, and you understand 00:08:06.629 --> 00:08:10.490 vision statements as well. Yeah. So Anderson 00:08:10.490 --> 00:08:14.230 Manufacturing, and I want to say 1957 would be 00:08:14.230 --> 00:08:18.209 the exact date, but I know sometime in the 50s 00:08:18.209 --> 00:08:21.089 for certain. Anderson Manufacturing started as 00:08:21.089 --> 00:08:23.709 Anderson Tool and Die. Anderson Manufacturing 00:08:23.709 --> 00:08:26.290 is currently ran by Charles and Carl Anderson, 00:08:26.449 --> 00:08:29.350 and it was actually their grandfather who started 00:08:29.350 --> 00:08:33.419 Anderson Tool and Die after he retired. So Carl 00:08:33.419 --> 00:08:35.100 and Charles had always been around the tool and 00:08:35.100 --> 00:08:38.100 die shop, and they overtook it. And Anderson 00:08:38.100 --> 00:08:41.480 Tool and Die stayed around until around 2005, 00:08:42.059 --> 00:08:45.480 2006 time frame when they were approached by 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:49.259 a rifle manufacturer who asked them to do some 00:08:49.259 --> 00:08:52.399 OEM work and make lowers since they had the machining, 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:56.679 the tools, and the machinist to get that done. 00:08:56.860 --> 00:08:59.919 So they took that on. and the rifle manufacturer 00:08:59.919 --> 00:09:04.259 happened to go bankrupt and left Anderson Tool 00:09:04.259 --> 00:09:07.039 and Die with all these stripped lower receivers 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:10.860 on hand and didn't know what to do with them. 00:09:11.179 --> 00:09:16.059 Was it an unpaid order? It was. Oh, my. Oh, boy. 00:09:16.220 --> 00:09:20.539 So after that happened, with a little bit of 00:09:20.539 --> 00:09:23.320 research, a little bit of legwork, the Andersons 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:27.049 found out how to... make these things legal with 00:09:27.049 --> 00:09:29.309 the ATF, all that, to get them out to people. 00:09:29.509 --> 00:09:32.470 And that is how Anderson Manufacturing got started 00:09:32.470 --> 00:09:35.590 and really went full -fledged into it in 2007. 00:09:36.009 --> 00:09:40.710 So from that point forward, from 2007, you had 00:09:40.710 --> 00:09:44.509 a large unwanted inventory of lowers. How long 00:09:44.509 --> 00:09:46.909 did it stay lowers before the company started 00:09:46.909 --> 00:09:49.649 branching out? Because reviewing your website 00:09:49.649 --> 00:09:54.350 today, I saw the new Kiger Dime, which I didn't 00:09:54.350 --> 00:09:57.990 know existed. And it surprised me that the, maybe 00:09:57.990 --> 00:10:00.429 it shouldn't surprise me, but it did surprise 00:10:00.429 --> 00:10:03.929 me that the company is now not just about lowers, 00:10:04.029 --> 00:10:06.509 because I think that's what most people think 00:10:06.509 --> 00:10:10.009 of you as. Yeah. No, the stripped lowers lasted 00:10:10.009 --> 00:10:14.370 for a while, a couple years. And then just meeting 00:10:14.370 --> 00:10:15.870 the right people and bringing the right people 00:10:15.870 --> 00:10:19.470 on in the business aspect, we slowly started 00:10:19.470 --> 00:10:22.980 manufacturing all of our own parts. eventually 00:10:22.980 --> 00:10:24.700 to get to where we're at today where we have 00:10:24.700 --> 00:10:27.620 multiple options for multiple rifles if you want 00:10:27.620 --> 00:10:29.960 to do a 308 build we got you if you want to go 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:34.259 762 by 39 300 blackout i mean the options are 00:10:34.259 --> 00:10:36.919 endless we can go on and on but yeah it was just 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:39.340 taking steps and kind of seeing what we're good 00:10:39.340 --> 00:10:42.860 at and just keep growing from there do you kind 00:10:42.860 --> 00:10:45.799 of have an idea of how much of the market you 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.399 guys own at least in lowers because i know it's 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.960 substantial but i i mean i quipped earlier that 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:54.279 i thought that it was the majority and and i 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:57.080 still think that that's maybe not you don't have 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.700 51 of the market or maybe you do but at least 00:10:59.700 --> 00:11:02.899 you make more than anyone else does i wouldn't 00:11:02.899 --> 00:11:07.320 quite say 51 um i did bring some numbers today 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:10.080 just to kind of go off the show notes and be 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:16.000 prepared um so when i started here in 2020 anderson 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.509 manufacturing produced and this is according 00:11:18.509 --> 00:11:25.730 to the ATF, 439 ,559 loader receivers. And that's 00:11:25.730 --> 00:11:29.750 not including the 80s. Wow. That is significant, 00:11:29.909 --> 00:11:34.190 man. It is. Okay, so the 80s. So before you go 00:11:34.190 --> 00:11:36.169 any further, I know that's something I wanted 00:11:36.169 --> 00:11:40.389 to ask about. So you guys weren't hurt by the 00:11:40.389 --> 00:11:43.769 upsurge of the 80 % product. You participated 00:11:43.769 --> 00:11:47.750 in that. We did. Okay. I didn't know that because 00:11:47.750 --> 00:11:50.370 I hadn't seen yours as an 80 % product. That's 00:11:50.370 --> 00:11:53.570 just my own ignorance. But you're all good. But 00:11:53.570 --> 00:11:56.009 you managed to actually capitalize on that as 00:11:56.009 --> 00:12:00.769 well. Yes, sir. Yep. In 2020, we held 33 % of 00:12:00.769 --> 00:12:03.889 the lower receiver mark. Anderson Manufacturing 00:12:03.889 --> 00:12:07.529 versus everybody else. That's huge. That's huge. 00:12:07.710 --> 00:12:11.690 And do you OEM for the companies? We do. Okay. 00:12:11.730 --> 00:12:13.350 You don't have to name them if you don't want 00:12:13.350 --> 00:12:15.799 to. But I mean, is it like... two companies or 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:17.740 is it like lots of companies or how many of the 00:12:17.740 --> 00:12:21.240 companies you know roughly you know is it a lot 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.820 or is it a couple or is it like one all i'll 00:12:24.820 --> 00:12:26.960 say on that is it's more than two because that's 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:29.679 the only number you listed there but it's more 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:34.139 okay so it's plural it's a plural value that's 00:12:34.139 --> 00:12:39.320 good that's good and and what kind of challenges 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:41.879 have you faced sort of along the way i mean you 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:44.549 know keeping in the context of you know let's 00:12:44.549 --> 00:12:46.629 dial this back to what's the purpose of the show 00:12:46.629 --> 00:12:50.190 the purpose of the show is to find as we talked 00:12:50.190 --> 00:12:53.269 about at the shot show you and i um we're finding 00:12:53.269 --> 00:12:55.909 the best value for people in the shooting community 00:12:55.909 --> 00:12:58.610 and we're revealing it and we're revealing it 00:12:58.610 --> 00:13:04.149 in ways that i think other podcasts don't uh 00:13:04.149 --> 00:13:06.129 because we're focused on the value proposition 00:13:06.129 --> 00:13:09.850 and and you know everyone i think thinks of you 00:13:09.850 --> 00:13:12.710 either either positively or perhaps sometime 00:13:13.450 --> 00:13:16.750 you know, not positively, you know, almost disrespectfully 00:13:16.750 --> 00:13:21.350 as being, you know, the value leader in the area. 00:13:21.549 --> 00:13:23.929 And I'd kind of like you to address that because 00:13:23.929 --> 00:13:27.269 everything I've seen from your stuff is quality. 00:13:27.409 --> 00:13:30.269 Just as, yeah, it's just as good as for all practical 00:13:30.269 --> 00:13:32.669 purposes is just as good as everyone else's. 00:13:33.370 --> 00:13:35.470 Right, and I've always, the things I've seen 00:13:35.470 --> 00:13:38.269 over the years, you know, it's a quality product 00:13:38.269 --> 00:13:41.450 at a reasonable price, and if you particularly 00:13:41.450 --> 00:13:44.350 are going to do your own build, it is an excellent 00:13:44.350 --> 00:13:48.549 platform to start on. So, yeah. Yeah, what do 00:13:48.549 --> 00:13:51.029 you have to say about that? Because I think that's... 00:13:51.309 --> 00:13:52.990 you know maybe getting the elephant out of the 00:13:52.990 --> 00:13:55.730 room you know that the the term that was used 00:13:55.730 --> 00:13:58.590 you know a couple episodes ago by the owner of 00:13:58.590 --> 00:14:02.490 air15discounts .com i mean he wasn't being pejorative 00:14:02.490 --> 00:14:04.929 at all he was complimenting your quality control 00:14:04.929 --> 00:14:08.789 and your processes but he did throw out the term 00:14:08.789 --> 00:14:12.129 poverty pony which i i had never heard that term 00:14:12.129 --> 00:14:15.789 and i thought man that's really undeserved yeah 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.059 It's a term we see everywhere. We get it a lot 00:14:19.059 --> 00:14:21.120 on social media and all the different platforms. 00:14:21.460 --> 00:14:23.980 And, you know, I can't sit here and say I turn 00:14:23.980 --> 00:14:26.480 a blind eye to it. You see it. That's definitely 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.740 a challenge that we face. A lot of people tend 00:14:28.740 --> 00:14:34.340 to associate price with quality. And that's not 00:14:34.340 --> 00:14:36.899 the case with Anderson Manufacturing. Anderson 00:14:36.899 --> 00:14:40.139 Manufacturing's belief systems and kind of our 00:14:40.139 --> 00:14:41.799 mission statement, like you were mentioning earlier, 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:44.759 you always hear it from Mr. Anderson. He just 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:48.250 wants the blue -collar. hard -working man to 00:14:48.250 --> 00:14:50.750 have the ability to get that get out there and 00:14:50.750 --> 00:14:53.129 express the second amendment freedoms that's 00:14:53.129 --> 00:14:55.830 all he's out there dude now if we wanted to we 00:14:55.830 --> 00:14:59.669 could build high price high dollar firearms and 00:14:59.669 --> 00:15:02.190 we'd love to do that but we try to get it to 00:15:02.190 --> 00:15:05.769 that level but at a reasonable price something 00:15:05.769 --> 00:15:08.590 budget friendly that your standard like i said 00:15:08.590 --> 00:15:11.809 blue collar man can get out there and build his 00:15:11.809 --> 00:15:14.710 own ar if he wants to or you know buy his next 00:15:14.710 --> 00:15:17.929 hunting rifle Fill the freezer, you know what 00:15:17.929 --> 00:15:22.909 I'm saying? That's basically where we are. That's 00:15:22.909 --> 00:15:25.669 where you are, Ken, because you're the one always 00:15:25.669 --> 00:15:28.090 filling the freezer and the safe and the garage 00:15:28.090 --> 00:15:29.970 and the trunk of the car and everything else. 00:15:30.230 --> 00:15:32.649 Everything else, yeah. Yeah, that's not as much 00:15:32.649 --> 00:15:38.450 me. Okay, so to that point, do you think that 00:15:38.450 --> 00:15:43.529 people who spend more on parts and it doesn't 00:15:43.529 --> 00:15:45.250 have to we don't have to limit this to lower 00:15:45.250 --> 00:15:48.490 receivers but you know where's the tipping point 00:15:48.490 --> 00:15:50.990 where's the return on investment are they getting 00:15:50.990 --> 00:15:53.669 you know if i'm spending twice as much as an 00:15:53.669 --> 00:15:58.789 anderson you know serialized lower um am i getting 00:15:58.789 --> 00:16:02.730 twice the value let me interrupt here this is 00:16:02.730 --> 00:16:05.679 where i like to rise craig here because see Craig 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:09.720 is not your sub -minute target shooter. Sure, 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.559 you can handle him. I saw that. Three MOA, man. 00:16:12.820 --> 00:16:19.799 You can hand him a quarter MOA rifle, okay? And 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.539 it's not going to really perform that much better 00:16:22.539 --> 00:16:25.899 than a two MOA rifle in Craig's hands. Well, 00:16:25.899 --> 00:16:31.340 okay, since you're getting into my skill or lack 00:16:31.340 --> 00:16:35.830 thereof, co -host ken then i will remind you 00:16:35.830 --> 00:16:39.029 that i don't think as an engineer not now i'm 00:16:39.029 --> 00:16:42.370 putting on my engineer hat because i am one that 00:16:42.370 --> 00:16:45.210 the lower receiver doesn't have a lot to do with 00:16:45.210 --> 00:16:49.909 accuracy you got it well okay i mean the barrel 00:16:49.909 --> 00:16:52.990 does the the trigger does the barrel does the 00:16:52.990 --> 00:16:55.149 the interaction between the upper and the lower 00:16:55.149 --> 00:16:57.029 any movement between the upper and the lower 00:16:57.029 --> 00:17:01.149 okay i'll give you that but well why are we talking 00:17:01.149 --> 00:17:04.079 so much this is Ken's thinking the same thing. 00:17:04.140 --> 00:17:07.839 Like, damn it, Craig, be quiet. It's Kyle's show. 00:17:08.180 --> 00:17:12.319 So, Kyle, you jump in, man. Yeah, so, no, you're 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:15.059 not necessarily always getting the better product 00:17:15.059 --> 00:17:18.220 paying twice as much. We hold all of our products 00:17:18.220 --> 00:17:20.440 to a very high quality standard before it even 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:23.720 gets out the door. Every complete firearm that 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:27.619 leaves this place is test fired and tested for 00:17:27.619 --> 00:17:30.599 cycling just to ensure that everything's fine 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.579 by the time it gets to you. And we have so much 00:17:33.579 --> 00:17:35.900 pride in the product that we put out that we 00:17:35.900 --> 00:17:38.240 guarantee it with a lifetime warranty. So is 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.000 that a transferable warranty or not? Yes, it 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:42.480 is. As long as it's an Anderson manufacturing 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:46.420 product, we will either work on it or replace 00:17:46.420 --> 00:17:49.900 that part. Great. And that's generous of you 00:17:49.900 --> 00:17:52.019 because I could imagine that it would be perfectly 00:17:52.019 --> 00:17:56.240 legitimate to only warranty to the original owner, 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.069 which is... a common practice but you're extending 00:17:59.069 --> 00:18:01.589 that so that speaks to your quality assurance 00:18:01.589 --> 00:18:04.809 i'm assuming that you hit at least mil spec standards 00:18:04.809 --> 00:18:08.309 if not better without going into the actual numbers 00:18:08.309 --> 00:18:11.990 yeah without selling the farm we do hold to a 00:18:11.990 --> 00:18:15.250 very tight mil spec tolerance tell us about finishes 00:18:15.250 --> 00:18:18.369 uh what kind of finishes do you do you use or 00:18:18.369 --> 00:18:21.750 finishing process do you use salt bath nitride 00:18:21.750 --> 00:18:26.960 for our lowers I'm sorry for our barrels. I apologize. 00:18:27.299 --> 00:18:30.539 And our lowers and uppers are anodized. Type 00:18:30.539 --> 00:18:35.500 3 hard black anodized. So now expanding the spectrum 00:18:35.500 --> 00:18:39.140 a little bit here, I mentioned earlier that I 00:18:39.140 --> 00:18:42.140 looked on your website and saw a product I'd 00:18:42.140 --> 00:18:44.259 never seen before, which is the Kiger 9, which, 00:18:44.339 --> 00:18:47.019 by the way, we're not reviewing that here because, 00:18:47.059 --> 00:18:50.039 well, this is California and that's not a California 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:52.900 -compliant gun, so you can't send it to me for 00:18:52.900 --> 00:18:56.769 review. Officially, Ken and I have no comments 00:18:56.769 --> 00:19:00.089 on whether we like it or not, but that kind of 00:19:00.089 --> 00:19:02.970 shows that the company is reaching out. So what 00:19:02.970 --> 00:19:05.109 opportunity space are you guys trying to fill 00:19:05.109 --> 00:19:08.210 now? Yeah, so it really started off with us branching 00:19:08.210 --> 00:19:10.930 off in the AR -10 platform, getting away from 00:19:10.930 --> 00:19:13.690 the AR -15. Like you talked about earlier, kind 00:19:13.690 --> 00:19:16.710 of what growing pains, what challenges we faced. 00:19:16.809 --> 00:19:20.630 We tried the AR -10 platform before and it failed 00:19:20.630 --> 00:19:23.940 miserably. We could not figure it out. So the 00:19:23.940 --> 00:19:26.519 AR -10s that you see from Anderson now, the AM 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.180 -10, is Generation 2, and we've got all the kinks 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:32.380 worked out. And that kind of led us like, hey, 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:35.119 what else can we do? So that got us into the 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:38.140 handgun game there for a little bit, and we plan 00:19:38.140 --> 00:19:40.519 on expanding that handgun line. And then the 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:42.799 what's next, we're getting into the bolt action 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:46.839 game. Oh, wow. Yeah. When you talked about OEM 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:49.799 work, we do OEM work for some companies that 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:53.250 do PRS -type rifles. And we've worked on a lot 00:19:53.250 --> 00:19:55.369 of bolt actions, manufactured a lot of parts 00:19:55.369 --> 00:19:58.549 for bolt actions. And we decided that we want 00:19:58.549 --> 00:20:01.109 to try our hand at that. So, you know, by the 00:20:01.109 --> 00:20:03.230 end of this year, you will see an Anderson bolt 00:20:03.230 --> 00:20:05.630 action rifle on the market. So you're not talking 00:20:05.630 --> 00:20:08.490 about making parts for like the Remington 700 00:20:08.490 --> 00:20:11.410 or something. You're talking about a ground up 00:20:11.410 --> 00:20:14.890 new creation that's specifically an Anderson 00:20:14.890 --> 00:20:18.730 product. Yes, sir. Do you, and you're doing your 00:20:18.730 --> 00:20:22.009 own barrels as well? Yes. Okay. That's interesting 00:20:22.009 --> 00:20:24.710 because I didn't know that either. But there 00:20:24.710 --> 00:20:26.910 was something that you mentioned in our exchanges 00:20:26.910 --> 00:20:30.670 before we actually got a schedule to have you 00:20:30.670 --> 00:20:34.470 on about RF -85 technology. Can you talk about 00:20:34.470 --> 00:20:37.869 that? Yeah. What that is? Yeah. Yeah. RF -85 00:20:37.869 --> 00:20:41.150 technology, a lot of people think it's a coding. 00:20:41.250 --> 00:20:43.900 It's not. It's a treatment. And I am no scientist, 00:20:44.019 --> 00:20:46.039 so if I flub this up, you're going to have to 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:50.819 forgive me. But it is a nanomolecular calcium 00:20:50.819 --> 00:20:54.099 injection into the actual metal that releases 00:20:54.099 --> 00:20:57.140 when it heats up. And then that gives you the 00:20:57.140 --> 00:21:00.259 lubricity so that you don't need oil. What we 00:21:00.259 --> 00:21:03.299 do recommend is that you fire 300 rounds out 00:21:03.299 --> 00:21:06.759 of it to kind of get everything worked out of 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:09.099 it, because we do put a coating of oil on it 00:21:09.099 --> 00:21:11.460 coming out of the shop. Once you get those 300 00:21:11.460 --> 00:21:14.559 rounds down range, we want you to either use 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.299 your bathtub or your dishwasher and clean that 00:21:17.299 --> 00:21:19.519 rifle really good with soap and water. And then 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:21.819 you're done. Let that thing dry out and you will 00:21:21.819 --> 00:21:23.980 not have to oil that rifle for the life of the 00:21:23.980 --> 00:21:26.119 rifle. I know it's hard to believe. Sounds like 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:29.700 a lot of people. A lot of people say that. But 00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:32.440 if you do some YouTube YouTube research, you 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:33.960 can see the proof in the pudding right there 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.950 before your eyes. As an audio only podcast. um 00:21:37.950 --> 00:21:41.170 the listeners could not see my eyes go up when 00:21:41.170 --> 00:21:45.470 you said put it in the dishwasher okay so i was 00:21:45.470 --> 00:21:49.690 like are you kidding me okay hey you can clean 00:21:49.690 --> 00:21:51.730 your brass in the dishwasher we talked about 00:21:51.730 --> 00:21:54.329 that last time but brass isn't reloading brass 00:21:54.329 --> 00:21:57.170 isn't well by the way what okay so what parts 00:21:57.170 --> 00:22:00.829 does the rf -85 technology apply to is it a bcg 00:22:00.829 --> 00:22:04.940 is it the upper is it the barrel all those Good 00:22:04.940 --> 00:22:08.599 questions. So the lower receiver, the fire control 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:10.980 group, so the trigger, the hammer, the springs, 00:22:11.259 --> 00:22:14.880 the disconnector, your bolt carrier group, including 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.920 the bolt, your charging handle, and your barrel 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:22.720 are all RF85. RF85 stands for reduces friction 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.880 by 85%, and it will actually make your action 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:31.619 faster by 23 % as well. Interesting. Okay, is 00:22:31.619 --> 00:22:34.140 that effectively, now I'm going to, talk engineer 00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:37.339 stuff here so you know if you have to defer go 00:22:37.339 --> 00:22:41.420 ahead is this effectively uh like a case hardening 00:22:41.420 --> 00:22:46.279 application where after you know thousands of 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:50.400 rounds that effect has literally worn off and 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:52.599 now you have to start treating it like you know 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:56.160 a regular gun that you lubricate or is the penetration 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.960 deep enough into the metal that that's not practically 00:22:59.960 --> 00:23:01.859 ever going to happen for the life of the rifle 00:23:02.299 --> 00:23:04.660 It won't happen. It wears away with the metal. 00:23:05.099 --> 00:23:09.440 Okay. So it is essentially in the matrix of the 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:12.359 metal. Yes. Is that proprietary to Anderson? 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:17.900 Yes. Okay. RF85. Does it go to any of your other 00:23:17.900 --> 00:23:21.359 products that if I just buy a lower or if I just 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:24.019 buy an upper, I've got that? Okay. Yeah, you 00:23:24.019 --> 00:23:28.960 can buy a RF85 bolt carrier, RF85 barrel. Those 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:30.920 are the two that I recommend to pair with each 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:33.000 other for sure. Well, that's interesting because 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.640 I've been, that dry lubrication metal treating, 00:23:36.740 --> 00:23:41.740 I have been hearing about since the early 80s. 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.799 You know, back when Craig and I were, you know, 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:48.099 doing hot rod cars, I was working on my 1967 00:23:48.099 --> 00:23:52.180 GTO, which I still have. I'd like to point that 00:23:52.180 --> 00:23:55.599 out. You know, and you're rebuilding the engine. 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.420 You're like, oh, this dry lube thing that they 00:23:58.420 --> 00:24:01.119 had, it was a coating, a permanent coating on. 00:24:01.690 --> 00:24:04.029 anything, you know, camshaft and all of that 00:24:04.029 --> 00:24:05.910 type of stuff. And they were given phenomenal 00:24:05.910 --> 00:24:10.269 reduced friction things. So that technology has 00:24:10.269 --> 00:24:12.609 obviously advanced in the last 40 years. And 00:24:12.609 --> 00:24:14.309 now we're up to this. So I'd be very interested 00:24:14.309 --> 00:24:16.809 in looking at that. If that's your bleeding edge 00:24:16.809 --> 00:24:19.190 of technology right now, which sounds pretty 00:24:19.190 --> 00:24:21.549 significant, honestly, and interesting how it's 00:24:21.549 --> 00:24:23.549 going to dovetail with one of our previous guests 00:24:23.549 --> 00:24:26.730 from Modern Spartan Systems talking about lubrication 00:24:26.730 --> 00:24:29.809 products, obviously for guns that don't have 00:24:29.809 --> 00:24:32.710 RF85 technology. kind of what's in the pipeline 00:24:32.710 --> 00:24:36.630 i mean again with nothing proprietary here no 00:24:36.630 --> 00:24:39.490 trade secrets you know our listeners are not 00:24:39.490 --> 00:24:42.490 signing non -disclosure agreements but but what 00:24:42.490 --> 00:24:44.430 are we looking for in the future here from anderson 00:24:44.430 --> 00:24:47.309 in the nearest future look for that bolt action 00:24:47.309 --> 00:24:51.309 rifle and barreled actions and in the distant 00:24:51.309 --> 00:24:54.529 future start looking for that handgun lineup 00:24:54.529 --> 00:24:58.490 to evolve and expand these are going to be pistols 00:24:58.490 --> 00:25:02.609 or revolvers Pistols. Semi -automatic Striker 00:25:02.609 --> 00:25:05.710 5 pistols. That's fine. I'm a wheel gun guy. 00:25:05.970 --> 00:25:08.269 At least, I have a lot of wheel guns. That's 00:25:08.269 --> 00:25:10.789 because you're old, damn it. Hands up. I'm a 00:25:10.789 --> 00:25:13.369 wheel gun guy as well. Yeah, that's what my grandpa 00:25:13.369 --> 00:25:15.809 taught me. I mean, Ken, you're a full year older 00:25:15.809 --> 00:25:18.750 than me. I know. I'm living in the modern age 00:25:18.750 --> 00:25:20.869 here, and you're still bringing up the rear. 00:25:21.329 --> 00:25:24.670 I just bought two more revolvers. Yes, I know. 00:25:24.710 --> 00:25:27.190 You said that. Yeah, because you buy things in 00:25:27.190 --> 00:25:30.869 pairs. So challenges going forward. What sort 00:25:30.869 --> 00:25:33.829 of, you know, supply chain issues? I mean, maybe 00:25:33.829 --> 00:25:35.670 in a post -COVID environment, those aren't really 00:25:35.670 --> 00:25:41.089 challenges anymore. Legislative challenges. What 00:25:41.089 --> 00:25:43.670 sort of things stand in the way of, you know, 00:25:43.690 --> 00:25:48.210 Anderson becoming the world -dominant manufacturing 00:25:48.210 --> 00:25:52.210 firm? Hey, that is where we want to be at, Craig. 00:25:52.349 --> 00:25:55.349 But as far as challenges go, you know, legislation 00:25:55.349 --> 00:25:59.089 is a challenge every day. um to sit here and 00:25:59.089 --> 00:26:02.329 say that the pistol brace ruling did not hurt 00:26:02.329 --> 00:26:05.990 us it did and you know that takes rifles off 00:26:05.990 --> 00:26:09.049 the shelf that makes things illegal that are 00:26:09.049 --> 00:26:12.029 just sitting on the shelf and that to me is um 00:26:12.029 --> 00:26:15.049 i'm not going to go into politics here but uh 00:26:15.049 --> 00:26:17.869 right this isn't a political show but but there's 00:26:17.869 --> 00:26:21.609 always underpinnings of politics yeah and you 00:26:21.609 --> 00:26:24.690 know that definitely hurt and i feel like a lot 00:26:24.690 --> 00:26:28.180 of people who are um Justifying legislation or 00:26:28.180 --> 00:26:31.740 approving legislation, a lot of times don't necessarily 00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:34.759 know what they're talking about. I feel like 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.759 firing a pistol without a pistol brace is more 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:43.140 dangerous. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. I've always 00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:46.579 thought, why do they ban safety equipment? And 00:26:46.579 --> 00:26:48.900 I view safety equipment, like California tries 00:26:48.900 --> 00:26:51.319 all the time to ban safety equipment, but they 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:54.680 don't want people to have bullet -resistant vests. 00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:59.380 If you work in a 7 -Eleven or you work in a pawn 00:26:59.380 --> 00:27:01.839 shop, I'm sorry, you want to wear one of those 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:04.599 for your personal protection? Absolutely. Or 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:06.779 you go to the range, and you may be perfectly 00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:09.740 safe in a range with 20 people in a row, but 00:27:09.740 --> 00:27:13.359 what about that guy three lanes over? I don't 00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.250 know him. And he's the first -time shooter who 00:27:16.250 --> 00:27:18.589 doesn't know the range rules or doesn't follow 00:27:18.589 --> 00:27:21.210 them if he does know them. Right. So me having 00:27:21.210 --> 00:27:23.890 safety equipment on is important. Right. Exactly. 00:27:24.130 --> 00:27:27.410 What stories you got for us? Something funny, 00:27:27.509 --> 00:27:33.390 something different. Funny stories. Gosh, let 00:27:33.390 --> 00:27:36.750 me think here. Anything that you can tell us 00:27:36.750 --> 00:27:39.369 that doesn't give away a trade secret and doesn't 00:27:39.369 --> 00:27:42.750 make the show become explicit. Yeah, yeah. No, 00:27:42.849 --> 00:27:45.009 that's the hard part is thinking of one of those 00:27:45.009 --> 00:27:46.390 funny stories that's not explicit. Well, you 00:27:46.390 --> 00:27:48.910 can paraphrase all you want. Because you got 00:27:48.910 --> 00:27:52.049 a lot of guys. All right, just imagine this. 00:27:52.109 --> 00:27:55.250 And this is where I started at in Anderson. You've 00:27:55.250 --> 00:27:58.349 got a crew of eight guys, and we're on night 00:27:58.349 --> 00:28:01.269 shift this time. So we're coming in at 6. We're 00:28:01.269 --> 00:28:05.210 leaving at 4 a .m. A bunch of guys just in a 00:28:05.210 --> 00:28:08.750 building, building rifles. All night, because 00:28:08.750 --> 00:28:10.849 this is during the peak of COVID, everyone's 00:28:10.849 --> 00:28:12.410 got their stimulus checks and they're buying 00:28:12.410 --> 00:28:15.549 rifles. Anderson rifles, specifically, in this 00:28:15.549 --> 00:28:17.690 instance. So, you know, we're pumping out 400 00:28:17.690 --> 00:28:20.130 -something rifles a night. There's literally 00:28:20.130 --> 00:28:23.710 been times where, by the end of my shift, I'm 00:28:23.710 --> 00:28:26.029 out in my car and, you know, I'm calling the 00:28:26.029 --> 00:28:29.630 wife or whatever, and I'm falling asleep. You 00:28:29.630 --> 00:28:31.369 know, just right there in the parking lot, because 00:28:31.369 --> 00:28:33.190 there's such a high... And you're calling her 00:28:33.190 --> 00:28:36.420 at four in the morning? oh yeah like why is she 00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:38.619 up like waiting for you to call it four in the 00:28:38.619 --> 00:28:40.920 morning man hey shout out to my wife she's a 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:43.000 rock star and she just wants me to do things 00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:47.140 like that she asked him to um but no that would 00:28:47.140 --> 00:28:49.980 be the most unvulgar story i could divulge to 00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:53.200 you is and also i was a full -time student at 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:54.720 the time so i was going to school during the 00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:57.680 day but uh falling asleep in the parking lot 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.220 that will forever be and i was woke up by the 00:29:00.220 --> 00:29:05.200 sunrise there so yeah I mean, and I imagine that 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.240 a lot of the guys who are working there are probably, 00:29:07.259 --> 00:29:10.299 you know, former military as well. Oh, yeah, 00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:13.980 yeah. We have a huge veteran presence here. I 00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:18.019 think we have right now 23 veterans working on 00:29:18.019 --> 00:29:21.599 the daily here. And, you know, like I said, you 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.240 get those guys together in what we call the gun 00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.940 cage, building guns, you definitely get some 00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:30.769 interesting conversations going. Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:29:30.910 --> 00:29:33.150 I mean, it's lucky they don't break out the beers 00:29:33.150 --> 00:29:35.849 during manufacturing time because then I imagine 00:29:35.849 --> 00:29:41.470 your quality would suffer. Your production rates 00:29:41.470 --> 00:29:44.970 would go down at least a little bit. Yes, most 00:29:44.970 --> 00:29:47.750 definitely. Yeah, so anything else you got for 00:29:47.750 --> 00:29:52.450 us? Anything you want to impart? Websites, YouTube 00:29:52.450 --> 00:29:54.829 channels, things like that that you want to share 00:29:54.829 --> 00:29:57.890 with our listeners? Yeah, most definitely. Guys, 00:29:58.069 --> 00:30:01.000 thanks for listening. If you find some time in 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.079 your day, visit us at all the social media platforms 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.539 at Anderson Manufacturing. And then give our 00:30:07.539 --> 00:30:11.059 website a look, andersonmanufacturing .com. We 00:30:11.059 --> 00:30:14.460 keep a pretty cool blog, constantly putting content 00:30:14.460 --> 00:30:17.299 into that. This weekend, we did the Guardian 00:30:17.299 --> 00:30:20.599 Run 2023. It was a great time. You get to see 00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.519 a lot of pictures of people pain and suffering, 00:30:23.660 --> 00:30:26.279 but also having a great time practicing their 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.640 marksmanship. Really is a great place to be, 00:30:30.740 --> 00:30:34.619 and check it out. All right, cool. So, Ken, you 00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:37.079 got anything else for our guest here today? I 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:38.940 very much appreciate you stopping by. As I said, 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.240 I own six of these things myself, so I am a fan, 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:45.640 and I do believe that exactly what we want to 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:47.880 do here at Frugal Firearms, we produce a quality 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.759 product at a reasonable price. It's an excellent 00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.759 platform, which is to start constructing whatever 00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.920 you want. So a lot of ways to go. Good stuff. 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.579 All right. Hey, thanks for your time, Kyle. Hey, 00:31:00.660 --> 00:31:03.119 thank you, Craig. It was an honor. I'd like to 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.700 very much thank Kyle for coming on and representing 00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:08.740 Anderson Manufacturing. I think they're a great 00:31:08.740 --> 00:31:12.200 platform to build if you're going to create your 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.039 own AR. And I'm looking forward to some of their 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:16.660 new offerings that they're going to be doing, 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.839 bolt action and some semi -automatic pistols 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.359 here toward the end of the year. So if I end 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:27.519 up going to shot in 2024, we're definitely going 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:28.740 to be sitting there and spending quite a bit 00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:30.440 of time at their booth talking to Kyle again. 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:34.740 So I'd really like to thank him. Indeed. You 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:36.420 know, that's the kind of content that we want 00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:38.339 to have on this show that really, you know, speaks 00:31:38.339 --> 00:31:40.279 to, you know, right to the core of the value 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.799 proposition because, you know, the criticism 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.000 of the poverty pony, I mean, it's kind of a funny, 00:31:46.019 --> 00:31:49.240 clever phrase, but in a way it is undeserved 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.220 because if you're building a quality product, 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.420 you know, poverty or not, I mean, poverty is 00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:56.960 just the wrong term. if it's a value product 00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.579 it's a value product no matter where the price 00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:02.099 point is so absolutely it's built with quality 00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:05.180 materials and uh i've looked at them to fit and 00:32:05.180 --> 00:32:08.619 finish fantastic yeah right for our listeners 00:32:08.619 --> 00:32:11.359 if you're going to go out and and buy their products 00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.480 or buy anyone's products i mean do your research 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:15.559 make sure that you you know pick the right stuff 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.720 for you be safe remember everything that we say 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.309 here is not legal advice it's not even buying 00:32:22.309 --> 00:32:25.809 advice it's revealing the best values out there 00:32:25.809 --> 00:32:28.329 but ultimately you're only going to be happy 00:32:28.329 --> 00:32:31.130 with those purchases if you do the research and 00:32:31.130 --> 00:32:32.930 you convince yourself that you did the right 00:32:32.930 --> 00:32:36.630 thing so ken any feedback from from listeners 00:32:36.630 --> 00:32:39.160 yet that we want to talk about Not particularly, 00:32:39.259 --> 00:32:41.380 although I think that we are probably going to 00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:44.180 have to do another little segment on reloading. 00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:46.380 It seemed to be pretty popular, and I've got 00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:47.980 more I'd like to say about it, particularly if 00:32:47.980 --> 00:32:51.119 we move up the scale to mid -range and high -end 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:55.509 reloading. Right. And thank you very much to 00:32:55.509 --> 00:32:57.829 our new listeners. We've got a couple more countries 00:32:57.829 --> 00:33:00.609 represented. So it's now getting a worldwide 00:33:00.609 --> 00:33:03.690 presence. I think I mentioned before Poland. 00:33:04.470 --> 00:33:06.910 Thank you for our Eastern European listeners. 00:33:07.849 --> 00:33:12.650 New listeners down in Sydney. G'day. Some new 00:33:12.650 --> 00:33:16.789 listeners popping up in Germany, Belgium, the 00:33:16.789 --> 00:33:20.359 Netherlands. London has come on board. since 00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:23.000 we last recorded. So thanks for getting the word 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.339 out and thanks for spreading it. You can always 00:33:25.339 --> 00:33:30.039 contact us at frugalfirearmspodcast at gmail 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:33.640 .com. Again, frugalfirearmspodcast at gmail .com. 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.539 And what do we want them to do on their social 00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:39.980 media platforms, Ken? We would like them to share 00:33:39.980 --> 00:33:43.319 and come over and listen to us because I think 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.359 we've got some exciting things to say and I think 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.640 that they would enjoy it. Yep. Like and subscribe. 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.259 That's how you get the word out. So thanks again, 00:33:52.319 --> 00:34:09.239 everyone, and good night. Got the recording, 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.619 Greg. Okay, I'll stop the recording.