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What is up everybody? We are back. I am George Mossey. Please say hello to my co-host Deedee.

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So Seeking Brother Husband season one episode three is aired. This is part two of the podcast

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by the way, because there's just too much to not discuss about this show. So I want

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to check in with Kim, Dustin and Vincent because Kim spent some time with one of her friends,

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Brittany, who is also in the polyandry lifestyle to discuss some of the issues going on in

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her relationship because we know that Vincent is 100% okay with Dustin, Kim and Vincent

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as a unit. He's not okay with adding new people to this situation, which I can understand

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that it's probably taken a lot for him to accept the fact that he's in this situation,

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this dynamic. So, and it's been years. So to add it and change it, it's just like, you

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know, starting a new relationship or starting a new job or starting a new task. It's going

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to be something that's going to take you by surprise and by storm and you don't know what

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it's going to entail. So Brittany decides that it might be a good idea to do a little

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exposure therapy. And I don't know, I always felt like exposure therapy is a little harsh.

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So they decide to have a party and there's going to be a lot of polyandry lifestyle people

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attending this party and they want Vincent to attend this party to just expose him to

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the lifestyle more because it's only been him, Kim and Dustin. He hasn't really experienced

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a lot of other interactions with people in the polyandry lifestyle. So they feel maybe

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if he sees the interactions, he meets the people, he sees Kim interacting with other

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men, it's going to help. First thing in my mind was this is not going to help. Like he

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said that he's not okay with her talking to other men, interacting with other men, dating,

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sleeping with other men. So you want to expose him to her connecting with other men. And

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I was like, well, I don't see how that's going to help. But again, exposure therapy has been

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proven to help people in certain situations. So I can't discredit it because science speaks

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for itself. But in this situation, it was like torture for him, watching her meet this

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guy, interact with him, plan to go on a date with him right in front of his face. It proved

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exactly what he feared. This type of lifestyle and the change, what they've, the dynamic

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that they've created is going to prove to be too much for him to handle. And he just

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doesn't want to be in a relationship where he doesn't feel his place is defined. He doesn't

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know where he fits into this situation when the dynamic is constantly in motion. It's

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constantly changing.

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Exactly. And also, you know, whenever they got into a relationship, she should have stood

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back a little bit and, you know, realize what kind of, what kind of relationship that she

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was getting into. Because he, once again, he keeps bringing it up over and over and

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over again. He came out of really too bad failed marriages. And he continuously fights

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where he's feeling like he's not enough for anyone. And he should have thought about the

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same thing before he went into the relationship. Because from what I understand, she made it

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very clear from the beginning that she would always want to find more partners. So taking

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him to this party where there's other polyandry couples, I mean, and then she's walking around

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and she's dancing and she's flirting. And then this one specific person, you know, she's

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really clingy to him. And you can see like almost a connection. And he just walks off

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because he can't handle the fact of seeing someone he loves with someone else.

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It's a natural thing too. And one thing that I've noticed that the guys have an issue with

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on the show is when the dynamic stays the same for many years before they change it.

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So like it happened with Kim, Dustin and Vincent, they were the only three involved in this

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dynamic for I think a year and a half. And then now it's going to change. So it's a culture

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shock. And we kind of see it with Kenya, Tiger and Carl because Tiger has been the main guy

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for Kenya for five years. So it was never an issue, never a threat, never a problem

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with the polyandry lifestyle. It's when the woman decides to bring more people in is where

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the complications come into the situation. And I think it's a trying thing because a

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constant relationship, it doesn't seem like you're in a polyandry relationship when it's

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a constant. Like you're the main guy. And did you notice that a lot of times there's

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a main husband that I spend so much time with. So you don't really feel like anything is

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threatened. Your position is threatened because you're getting all the attention. There is

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another guy there, but he's most mostly for moral and other types of support. So you don't

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really feel that. And then the issue begins when that dynamic changes abruptly. And we've

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watched it happen in both of these situations. It's a very abrupt change. It goes from just

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that normal dynamic of the three of you to moving on to changing. And it's like, I don't

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think the guys were mentally prepared for that to happen because it took years for that

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transition to happen. And you don't really feel like you're sharing someone when you

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get used to the constants in the situation. It's always the constant, the two guys and

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the one girl. And then you grow accustomed to that and you feel that you've accepted

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that polyandry lifestyle, but it's not really polyandry when there's constant, the same

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familiar people in it. So it gets more complicated when they start bringing new people in. So

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I want to jump over to Kenya, Tiger and Carl, because we found out on this episode that

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Tiger's parents are absolutely no go for the wedding ceremony. They said that there's no

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way. And it's been five years. So Kenya's really hurt because she's like, when are you

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going to accept me as your daughter-in-law? Your son clearly loves me. He's been with

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me for five years. We've been, I believe they've been exclusive, you know, other than with

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Carl, like for five years. So she doesn't understand the purpose of a ceremony. And

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before Tiger can really voice his concerns about that, she makes this massive announcement.

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She says that she is going to be spending some time with her ex. Her ex, his name is

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David. And he was the very first guy that she got involved with while married to Carl.

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This is way before Tiger. So this is like history. And he wants to spend time with her

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and she's open to that. And Tiger feels that this is going to solidify the fact that he

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is no longer going to be the guy in her life. And he actually said, you're going to fall

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out of love with me. And I actually agree with him because she said that she always

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wants to be constantly dating and she wants to have that new relationship feeling, kind

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of like the new car smell before a relationship. She's like, she craves that new attention.

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And I do get that. Like when you meet someone, it's, it's always cloud nine when you first

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get together and it doesn't always stay that way. And I know that's true. So I have to

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agree with Kenya, like, you know, no relationship is going to stay where you feel that way forever.

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But she said something on the episode that was interesting. She said, I never break up

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or dump any of my guys. She's like, I keep them in my life in some way, shape or form.

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So that's the thing. That's what makes it polyandry. She never wants to cut ties with

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any of these guys. And even though it's been years since her and David have been interacting

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and physical together, he can still just pop up in her life and become that person again

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to her because she feels like she still has ownership and stake in that relationship with

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them, even though he's been out doing his own thing. She's got two husbands, you know,

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so I don't know if tiger is going to stay in this situation because there's two issues

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here. The ceremony that is important to him simply because he wants to know that he belongs

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to her and she belongs to him. It's not important to Kenya. And Kenya has made it so clear that

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there is no purpose or use for her to put her time and money into a ceremony because

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they've been together for five years. And in her mind, she feels that's enough proof

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that you need that we're in a relationship. So do you feel like the ceremony is needed

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or do you feel like that's a minor issue in this huge swarm of issues?

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I feel like on Tiger's side, yes, it's very, very needed because he feels like that she

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is just out there trying to replace him because every time he brings it up, she knocks it

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down. She's like, no, we're not doing it. Why are we even talking about this again?

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You know, whenever we do the ceremony, I wanted to be my family, Carl's family, your family,

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so we can, you know, unite, become as one. But that's never going to happen because Tiger's

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family does not want any part of it. And Kenya on Kenya's side, she's been very, very selfish

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because he is willing, you know, to be there, not only Carl, but Tiger, and then allow her

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to go out and date and have other partners. And as all he's doing is asking for one simple

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ceremony. And she's being selfish. She's not taking his feelings in consideration, but

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she wants Carl and Tiger to take all of her feelings in consideration. It has to, it works

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both ways. There's no way is it can't just be about Kenya. She has to, you know, step

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back and say, okay, me and Carl are legally married. You know, then I bring in Tiger,

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it took Carl a process. And now Tiger, he's been the only one other than Carl. And now

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I'm going from one day to the next and okay, here I am, I'm fixing to bring in my ex. Now

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I'm looking for him to be a partner. But guess what? He's not going to be the last one. I'm

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going to want more partners like come on, Kenya, how many partners do you want? I need

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to know. That is crazy. But yes, I think they should do this ceremony. I think Tiger deserves

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it. I really do. I mean, Carl even thinks so. Carl's even tried to talk Kenya into it,

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but she's just against it. I don't see where the where the family has to be there, honestly,

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as long as it's her Carl and Tiger. I think that should be enough. Yeah, that's definitely

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sufficient. So I like the idea that Kenya saves money on therapy. So she has a fitness

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instructor who is also her therapist. And they talk about her relationships and everything.

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And I was like, see, that is so smart. When I'm trying to think of saving money. This

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is the type of tip that I need. Thank you, Kenya, for helping me out because therapists

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are very expensive. So she was she gets her workout in, she gets to talk about her relationships,

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and she gets advice. I love that. And even flex asked the same question as you. He was

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like, How many partners do you need? Like, what is this about for you? What's your end

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game? And like you said, it's it's never ending cycle of partners for her. And I think that

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Tiger is never going to be okay with the idea that it's a never ending cycle of partners.

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He wants to belong to someone he wants a long term relationship. And I don't know how much

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of a relationship it's going to be when she's constantly moving on to a new relationship,

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because that feeling of new is what she loves. You know how some people at least a car every

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two years, because they got to have that brand new car, they got to have the new iPhone,

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Kenya is like that. But with men, it has to be brand new, the relationship needs to be

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new. She wants she loves the new compliments. She loves the attention because when the relationship

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is new, the guy is on his best behavior, he's treating you the best he's ever going to treat

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you. You're the apple of his eye, you're everything going on in his life at that moment. And unfortunately,

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as human beings, we lose interest in things not to the point where we don't want them.

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But it's we don't court women as much as we do. Once you get that woman, the courting process

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ends and then you just begin, you know, your partnership. Kenya doesn't like the partnership

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part. She is more interested in the courting process. And I don't think Tiger is going

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to be able to deal with the constant courting process because it's never going to end. Kenya

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said herself, this is never going to stop. She's always going to keep dating. There's

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never going to be a time where she settled down and ready to stay with one guy. So I

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think Tiger is going to have to decide what's important for him and just make a decision

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for him. Because when it comes to Kenya, Kenya is going to always choose Kenya at the end

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of the day. And Tiger is going to have to choose Tiger. And that's going to be the only

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way he's going to get his way. And unfortunately, it might mean ending this polyandry situation

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for him because he's looking for something specific and Kenya is looking for something

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specific. They're just two different things. Well, if you if you listen every time that

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Flex asked her a question about bringing on new partners, she kept saying, you know, over

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and over again, well, they don't satisfy me sexually. She said a couple of times that

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Tiger no longer satisfies her sexually like she wants to be satisfied. And then we already

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know that her and Carl is, you know, they have to be in a mutual agreement. You know,

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so you know, and then she was telling Flex also that even when he goes to the gym, whenever

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he goes to the gym and a girl, you know, shows him attention, even though he has his wife,

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you know, that's a that's a new that's a that's a awesome feeling. That's a new feeling. And

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she wants to have that all the time. But Tiger is never going to I don't think he would ever

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come to an to an agreement or be OK with her bringing on other partners, as long as she's

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not listening to his needs, to his concerns and to his feelings. It's I don't see it working

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out either. It's when you're in a relationship, especially in a multiple partner relationship,

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all of you have to be on the on the same page. And if you're being greedy and it's all about

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me, me, me, me. I mean, where are you going to end up? You end up by yourself because

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you didn't think about or care about anyone else other than yourself. I think it would

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just be easier for Kenya to be single because she could always be looking for that new guy.

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And then there wouldn't be any feelings involved if everyone was open and understood what was

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going on. That's just that's my take on it. All right, guys, we ran out of time again.

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