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What is up everybody? I am George Mossey. Please say hello to my co-host, Kara. So a 90 day

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fiance. Hi. So 90 day fiance. The other way, season four, episode 10 is that everybody

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made an appearance in this episode. So I don't have time to really lolly gag around and talk

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about nothing. So we need to talk about what happened in Egypt. So Nicole has been in Egypt

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for four months. Now, first of all, I'm going to say that's longer than I projected. I think

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I was longer than anyone had projected. So at this point, I owe a lot of people money

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because I bet that she would be out of there within a month. So guys, give me some time

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to get you your money. I really thought I was going to be right. I'm sorry I was wrong.

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But she's been there for four months and she has found a friend. Now, Noran, who is a meditation

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slash yoga instructor, is a Egyptian woman who lives in a newer type lifestyle. Apparently

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there's a place called New Cairo. And there's obviously the original Cairo. And this is

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a place where they have grown and they've progressed as a nation and they're doing things

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in a less traditional and classic way. Now, me being anyway, first in Egypt, I didn't

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know about this. I didn't know that there were two Cairo's. I didn't know there was

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a new Cairo. I also didn't know that there were women who were living their lives freely

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without hegabs, without restrictions. So when this scene opened up, I was like, whoa,

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these women are out here without their husbands, they're without their hegabs. I can see their

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arms. I was like, this is insane. And this is exactly what Nicole needs. So Makmoud

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finds out about it and he doesn't like it at all. And I mean, this is definitely something

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that we saw coming. But the idea that Nicole finding a friend who's giving her her own voice

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and telling her that there's other things that she can be doing other than the restrictive

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things that Makmoud is telling her, I feel like this is a horrible idea and it's a horrible

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situation and it's only going to cause more problems. And I think Makmoud said that in

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his interview, he's like, this is going to cause more problems. But I think it might,

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it might be what happens to open Nicole's eyes to see that she needs to pack up her

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stuff and go, right? Yeah, he's afraid of losing control is what's happening. And now

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that she has a friend that can broaden her horizons, she's, she's very much liking that.

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And he is very much not. Yeah, he is very, I looked at it as threatened. The way that

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he sat at this battle royale dinner. Oh, so Nicole decided that they needed to meet.

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And I knew that this was going to be a battle royale. I was like, let's get ready to rumble.

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We're about to watch WrestleMania. It's going to go down because she is such a strong willed

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Egyptian woman. Noran, she, she went against what all of the other women in her culture

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were doing and decided to choose her freedom. And I respect her so much. Right?

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Absolutely. And Mak Mood, he had so much to say and he was very defensive. And I was

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like, the way that he's defending his religion, it's, it brought back memories for me because

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as you guys know, I was raised in a religious cult. And the way that he was reacting to

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the shots at the religious beliefs, it reminded me of every time I questioned anything growing

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up, what we could do, what we couldn't do, where we couldn't go, things we couldn't do

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it, say or eat, even in my religion, we couldn't even eat certain things. And the way that

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he reacted, it just kind of opened up those feelings for me because he was so defensive.

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And he didn't necessarily have any reason to explain why it was right or wrong. It

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was just a defensive, well, this is what it is. And you know what our culture is and you

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understand because you're Egyptian, no actual readings or teachings from the Quran that went

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towards what he was trying to say was right or wrong. And I feel like the way that he

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reacted just told me everything. Right? Did you, did you feel like that?

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Absolutely. The way, I mean, he was very two faced also. He was like, you know, I don't

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like her straightforward. I don't like her. And then he's like, your friend's very nice,

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but I don't want you to see her again. Yeah.

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Right. Pack up or stuff and go, right? I think that we're definitely at that point where

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we need Nicole to just pack up and go because she said at that conversation, she's like,

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well, I'm proud of Mahmood for not like getting up and running away, but I'm also worried

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that he's, this is showing me that he's unwilling to change. And I was like, Nicole, you're

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finally seeing the light because Nouran was like, I just want to shaker, you know, and

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make her see. And I was like, girl, that is exactly how we've been feeling all season.

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We just want to grab her and say, Nicole, look at what's happening. Get your stuff.

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Get on that plane, head back to LA. There is a man for you who will let you be yourself

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and he will love you just the same. 100%.

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Nouran opened so many lights for her, turned on so many lights for her was like, here is

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a whole nother side of Egypt that you've never seen, that you're never going to see if you

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stay with this man. There's no reason. I mean, Nouran being, you know, the Egyptian herself

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is like, I was free and a man tried to control me. I said, no. So that, that should have

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been a good sign for Nicole. Huge red flag. So I want to talk about something beautiful

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that happened on this episode. So we know that Isabel's dad wanted to have a private

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conversation with Gabe and Gabe was nervous, but I was like, I'm excited about this conversation

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because when people ask questions, that means that they are open to learning about something.

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They don't know something, know anything about. It means that they're open to learning about

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your situation. And the first step to acceptance is learning. So I was like, I'm ready for

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this conversation to happen because Gabe, it's always been, I'm a prepare for the worst

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type of guy. You know, he's like, people don't accept me. They don't understand me, but it's

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only because people don't ask questions. When Gabe explained why he felt the way that he

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felt and how he was literally born and trapped in a body that did not belong to him. And

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when he stopped, he showed the struggle and the hurt and the inner turmoil that he went

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through. And Isabel's father, the only thing he could do was understand. He was like, now

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that I see what you've been through and how you feel, I fully understand why you did what

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you did and how you can live your life and be happy now. And he was like, as a Christian,

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it is instilled in me that I am now obligated to love you because God loves everyone and

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he wants everyone to feel the way that you feel happy and comfortable in your skin. And

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it just made me so happy because we've been seeing a lot of non progressive religion,

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right? Like people who are just stuck in the 1400s, 1500, whatever they want to be stuck

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in, and they don't grow with the world. And it's like the religion in our Bibles and everything

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was written so long ago, we have to realize that we can't take everything literally in

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that book. If you are reading a book from the 1900s and it's 2023, you're not going

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to take everything literal from that book. So we have to look at it that way. So I'm

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just so happy with what we saw on this episode.

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I was crying like a baby. I was crying like a baby. I thought it was beautiful. The way

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she acknowledged the way Isabel acknowledged the fact that he asked her children first

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and then asked her father. I mean, I could feel her emotions through the TV, but I was

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so, so happy with the way that dad accepted him. The way he was asking questions, the

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way he just wanted to know. Yeah, it was great.

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I liked the fact that Gabe wanted to get permission because all right, through the season, I've

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been saying it over and over. I was like, you don't need permission. You don't need

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approval. You love her. She loves you, whatever. But when he got the approval and permission

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and the way that Isabel appreciated it, like you said, I understood why he took those extra

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steps because you know, some guys, they don't take those extra steps. They don't ask the

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dad. They don't get to know the family. They don't even get to know the kids right away.

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They're going to do what they want to do. But the way that Gabe took those extra steps

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and what it meant to Isabel, I understood because I was like, now I understand why you

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wanted to go that extra mile. Now you're not just welcomed into her family. You're now

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a father figure to her beautiful kids. You're everything that Isabel dreamed of. And he

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literally made himself a Disney prince. It was a magical moment.

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Yep. Absolutely. I couldn't be happier for them. I am so adorable.

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Beautiful, right? Like congratulations. I can't wait to see the wedding. We're at episode

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10. I think there's five more to go. We better see that wedding. I want to see it this season.

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Don't cheat us out of what we deserve to see. We definitely deserve to see this wedding.

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And I want to see the families meshing together and everyone happy because this is our first

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representation of a trans person on the show. And I want everything. Don't cheat us out of

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anything in this process. Yeah. I want to see it all.

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All right. So I want to talk about Debbie and Osama. So Debbie has been in Morocco for

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two, three days, three days, three days. And it started off pretty badly. And then the

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second day it got a little better. She wrote on a camel. And then the third day Osama took

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her to a amazing American English speaking poetry reading, which was very diverse. There

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was a lot of people there as a very young, fresh talent. And Osama took the stage, which

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was a surprise. And it's not that he took the stage. It's what he did and what he said

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on that stage that made the difference. So Debbie has been worried that it could be possible

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that Osama is embarrassed around public, you know, in the public with her because of their

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age difference. And she was worried about that, especially when they're at the beach.

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She was like, we get looks. And I just feel like maybe he is embarrassed is not that he

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doesn't love me. It's just in his culture, this might be hard for other people to accept.

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That's not the case. He introduced Debbie as his fiance in front of everyone. And this

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is a poetry. This is his thing. This is the place that he loves to go. Everyone there

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knew him. So this was among his peers. These were not just random people. These are people

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that he sees and communicates with regularly. So I think that that's a big step because,

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you know, I've been kind of skeptical about Osama all season. And I'm like, what do you

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want from my girl Debbie? You know, like, I need to know your intentions. You know,

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I'm like, officer Julian's questioner in person. Like, I'm like, Julian, let's just

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interrogate this guy. What's going on? Because I'm worried about her. She's all there all

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by herself. We don't know what's going on. He's got her in some weird place and she

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has no one to talk to. And we don't know how to get ahold of her. I was like, should we

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get on a plane? What do we do? So I was really happy to see Osama take this step and show

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her that he loves her. And he said it. He's like, I love you and I want you to feel happy.

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And I want to show you with my actions what I really mean, because when she arrived, you

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know what he said, that was some pretty harsh stuff. He's like, well, I wanted you to come

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here and then go back home and become in a half of my rocking wife. It's pretty insane.

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So I'm hoping that this is the start of a real relationship because since she landed

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over there, I have been very skeptical. I'm still skeptical of him. But first of all,

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I want to say I'm so disappointed in TLC. I feel like we're getting completely gipped

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of what could be a great love story. I mean, we've had what, like 11 minutes of Debbie and

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Osama, but at least it was positive. I just, I, it warmed my heart that he said, fiance

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today and that he loves her. And that just made her entire year. I just hope it continues.

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I do too. And I agree with you 100% TLC. What is going on? Because every other episode,

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they're not on it. And then when they're on it, like tonight we got one scene that was

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literally a total of three minutes. Like, come on guys, you were over there in Morocco

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with them. I want to see it. Like you said, this is a real love story. And she's still

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in Morocco, which we don't know if she is or not. We want to know how this took place.

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We want to know how it happened. And we want to see it outplay, like make it a movie for

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us. This is a, this is a journey. We want to see this journey from start to finish and

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where it ends up. And we don't want to be gypped of it. And I feel like you're 100% right.

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I want to see them cohabitating. I want to see them in the same house. I want to see

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them with the same people, not just at a poetry club, but I want to see them sit down for a

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meal. I want to see them cook for each other. I want to see their body language and the

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way they talk when they're not in public. I want to see all of that, but it's like,

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we're just getting snippets. It's almost like everything we saw in the previews for the

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season coming up, you know? It's like, I'm very disappointed.

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I am too. And I know we're going to see in a future episode, because I don't know if

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they're going to skip Debbie and Osama again next week, but we're going to see them go

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to Kimmaset. And they're going to stay with Osama's parents for a few days is what she

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said. And I don't know, a few minutes would be too long because she feels super out of

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place because like she said, in the beginning, she never wanted a relationship with him.

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They started talking online and it turned into that after many years, you know, a couple

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of years. So the idea that she has to meet his parents and try to explain to them why

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she's with their son who is 24 years of age is going to be awkward. Even though she didn't

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want that, she never seek him out for a relationship. He messaged her first. She still feels like

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she's in a weird situation and it's going to be very awkward. And I hope that she feels

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welcomed in their home because, you know, as a parent, you know, a lot of parents will

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say, what are you doing? You know, and they're going to make you feel very uncomfortable.

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So I'm really worried about that, that interaction.

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I'm sure she's older than his parents with him only being 24 years old. She's probably

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considerably older than his parents. And that's going to be very, very awkward, very awkward.

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And just outside of the age thing, there's he's a Muslim as well. So just so you're adding

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two huge deals because Muslim people are very, very specific on who you can marry, who you

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can go habitat with, what you can even do. And then adding the age aspect of it too is

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just going to make it such a complicated situation to win it over because we kind of

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watched this with Jenny and submit, you know, they, we clearly know they love each other,

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but adding that age difference and that gap into it with the Indian culture, you know,

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it's just something that is almost impossible to break through. So I'm wondering if they're

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going to fall in love and then the family is going to shut it down. Like what is going

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to happen with that because they can love each other until the moon and back. But if

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it's family and their culture and religion won't allow it, it's just not going to happen.

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Yeah, it's scary. It's scary. I feel for Debbie. I'm on the edge of my seat with it.

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Same. Okay. So we're out of time. We're going to come back with part two. We have so much

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more to talk about. This was a really good episode, by the way. Great job, TLC. So I'm

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George Masi. Make sure you follow me on all social media platforms at George Masi George

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have her links are right here at the bottom. I'm going to talk to all of you guys really