What is up everybody? I am George Mossey. Please say hello to my co-host, Kara. So a 90 day
fiance. Hi. So 90 day fiance. The other way, season four, episode 10 is that everybody
made an appearance in this episode. So I don't have time to really lolly gag around and talk
about nothing. So we need to talk about what happened in Egypt. So Nicole has been in Egypt
for four months. Now, first of all, I'm going to say that's longer than I projected. I think
I was longer than anyone had projected. So at this point, I owe a lot of people money
because I bet that she would be out of there within a month. So guys, give me some time
to get you your money. I really thought I was going to be right. I'm sorry I was wrong.
But she's been there for four months and she has found a friend. Now, Noran, who is a meditation
slash yoga instructor, is a Egyptian woman who lives in a newer type lifestyle. Apparently
there's a place called New Cairo. And there's obviously the original Cairo. And this is
a place where they have grown and they've progressed as a nation and they're doing things
in a less traditional and classic way. Now, me being anyway, first in Egypt, I didn't
know about this. I didn't know that there were two Cairo's. I didn't know there was
a new Cairo. I also didn't know that there were women who were living their lives freely
without hegabs, without restrictions. So when this scene opened up, I was like, whoa,
these women are out here without their husbands, they're without their hegabs. I can see their
arms. I was like, this is insane. And this is exactly what Nicole needs. So Makmoud
finds out about it and he doesn't like it at all. And I mean, this is definitely something
that we saw coming. But the idea that Nicole finding a friend who's giving her her own voice
and telling her that there's other things that she can be doing other than the restrictive
things that Makmoud is telling her, I feel like this is a horrible idea and it's a horrible
situation and it's only going to cause more problems. And I think Makmoud said that in
his interview, he's like, this is going to cause more problems. But I think it might,
it might be what happens to open Nicole's eyes to see that she needs to pack up her
stuff and go, right? Yeah, he's afraid of losing control is what's happening. And now
that she has a friend that can broaden her horizons, she's, she's very much liking that.
And he is very much not. Yeah, he is very, I looked at it as threatened. The way that
he sat at this battle royale dinner. Oh, so Nicole decided that they needed to meet.
And I knew that this was going to be a battle royale. I was like, let's get ready to rumble.
We're about to watch WrestleMania. It's going to go down because she is such a strong willed
Egyptian woman. Noran, she, she went against what all of the other women in her culture
were doing and decided to choose her freedom. And I respect her so much. Right?
Absolutely. And Mak Mood, he had so much to say and he was very defensive. And I was
like, the way that he's defending his religion, it's, it brought back memories for me because
as you guys know, I was raised in a religious cult. And the way that he was reacting to
the shots at the religious beliefs, it reminded me of every time I questioned anything growing
up, what we could do, what we couldn't do, where we couldn't go, things we couldn't do
it, say or eat, even in my religion, we couldn't even eat certain things. And the way that
he reacted, it just kind of opened up those feelings for me because he was so defensive.
And he didn't necessarily have any reason to explain why it was right or wrong. It
was just a defensive, well, this is what it is. And you know what our culture is and you
understand because you're Egyptian, no actual readings or teachings from the Quran that went
towards what he was trying to say was right or wrong. And I feel like the way that he
reacted just told me everything. Right? Did you, did you feel like that?
Absolutely. The way, I mean, he was very two faced also. He was like, you know, I don't
like her straightforward. I don't like her. And then he's like, your friend's very nice,
but I don't want you to see her again. Yeah.
Right. Pack up or stuff and go, right? I think that we're definitely at that point where
we need Nicole to just pack up and go because she said at that conversation, she's like,
well, I'm proud of Mahmood for not like getting up and running away, but I'm also worried
that he's, this is showing me that he's unwilling to change. And I was like, Nicole, you're
finally seeing the light because Nouran was like, I just want to shaker, you know, and
make her see. And I was like, girl, that is exactly how we've been feeling all season.
We just want to grab her and say, Nicole, look at what's happening. Get your stuff.
Get on that plane, head back to LA. There is a man for you who will let you be yourself
and he will love you just the same. 100%.
Nouran opened so many lights for her, turned on so many lights for her was like, here is
a whole nother side of Egypt that you've never seen, that you're never going to see if you
stay with this man. There's no reason. I mean, Nouran being, you know, the Egyptian herself
is like, I was free and a man tried to control me. I said, no. So that, that should have
been a good sign for Nicole. Huge red flag. So I want to talk about something beautiful
that happened on this episode. So we know that Isabel's dad wanted to have a private
conversation with Gabe and Gabe was nervous, but I was like, I'm excited about this conversation
because when people ask questions, that means that they are open to learning about something.
They don't know something, know anything about. It means that they're open to learning about
your situation. And the first step to acceptance is learning. So I was like, I'm ready for
this conversation to happen because Gabe, it's always been, I'm a prepare for the worst
type of guy. You know, he's like, people don't accept me. They don't understand me, but it's
only because people don't ask questions. When Gabe explained why he felt the way that he
felt and how he was literally born and trapped in a body that did not belong to him. And
when he stopped, he showed the struggle and the hurt and the inner turmoil that he went
through. And Isabel's father, the only thing he could do was understand. He was like, now
that I see what you've been through and how you feel, I fully understand why you did what
you did and how you can live your life and be happy now. And he was like, as a Christian,
it is instilled in me that I am now obligated to love you because God loves everyone and
he wants everyone to feel the way that you feel happy and comfortable in your skin. And
it just made me so happy because we've been seeing a lot of non progressive religion,
right? Like people who are just stuck in the 1400s, 1500, whatever they want to be stuck
in, and they don't grow with the world. And it's like the religion in our Bibles and everything
was written so long ago, we have to realize that we can't take everything literally in
that book. If you are reading a book from the 1900s and it's 2023, you're not going
to take everything literal from that book. So we have to look at it that way. So I'm
just so happy with what we saw on this episode.
I was crying like a baby. I was crying like a baby. I thought it was beautiful. The way
she acknowledged the way Isabel acknowledged the fact that he asked her children first
and then asked her father. I mean, I could feel her emotions through the TV, but I was
so, so happy with the way that dad accepted him. The way he was asking questions, the
way he just wanted to know. Yeah, it was great.
I liked the fact that Gabe wanted to get permission because all right, through the season, I've
been saying it over and over. I was like, you don't need permission. You don't need
approval. You love her. She loves you, whatever. But when he got the approval and permission
and the way that Isabel appreciated it, like you said, I understood why he took those extra
steps because you know, some guys, they don't take those extra steps. They don't ask the
dad. They don't get to know the family. They don't even get to know the kids right away.
They're going to do what they want to do. But the way that Gabe took those extra steps
and what it meant to Isabel, I understood because I was like, now I understand why you
wanted to go that extra mile. Now you're not just welcomed into her family. You're now
a father figure to her beautiful kids. You're everything that Isabel dreamed of. And he
literally made himself a Disney prince. It was a magical moment.
Yep. Absolutely. I couldn't be happier for them. I am so adorable.
Beautiful, right? Like congratulations. I can't wait to see the wedding. We're at episode
10. I think there's five more to go. We better see that wedding. I want to see it this season.
Don't cheat us out of what we deserve to see. We definitely deserve to see this wedding.
And I want to see the families meshing together and everyone happy because this is our first
representation of a trans person on the show. And I want everything. Don't cheat us out of
anything in this process. Yeah. I want to see it all.
All right. So I want to talk about Debbie and Osama. So Debbie has been in Morocco for
two, three days, three days, three days. And it started off pretty badly. And then the
second day it got a little better. She wrote on a camel. And then the third day Osama took
her to a amazing American English speaking poetry reading, which was very diverse. There
was a lot of people there as a very young, fresh talent. And Osama took the stage, which
was a surprise. And it's not that he took the stage. It's what he did and what he said
on that stage that made the difference. So Debbie has been worried that it could be possible
that Osama is embarrassed around public, you know, in the public with her because of their
age difference. And she was worried about that, especially when they're at the beach.
She was like, we get looks. And I just feel like maybe he is embarrassed is not that he
doesn't love me. It's just in his culture, this might be hard for other people to accept.
That's not the case. He introduced Debbie as his fiance in front of everyone. And this
is a poetry. This is his thing. This is the place that he loves to go. Everyone there
knew him. So this was among his peers. These were not just random people. These are people
that he sees and communicates with regularly. So I think that that's a big step because,
you know, I've been kind of skeptical about Osama all season. And I'm like, what do you
want from my girl Debbie? You know, like, I need to know your intentions. You know,
I'm like, officer Julian's questioner in person. Like, I'm like, Julian, let's just
interrogate this guy. What's going on? Because I'm worried about her. She's all there all
by herself. We don't know what's going on. He's got her in some weird place and she
has no one to talk to. And we don't know how to get ahold of her. I was like, should we
get on a plane? What do we do? So I was really happy to see Osama take this step and show
her that he loves her. And he said it. He's like, I love you and I want you to feel happy.
And I want to show you with my actions what I really mean, because when she arrived, you
know what he said, that was some pretty harsh stuff. He's like, well, I wanted you to come
here and then go back home and become in a half of my rocking wife. It's pretty insane.
So I'm hoping that this is the start of a real relationship because since she landed
over there, I have been very skeptical. I'm still skeptical of him. But first of all,
I want to say I'm so disappointed in TLC. I feel like we're getting completely gipped
of what could be a great love story. I mean, we've had what, like 11 minutes of Debbie and
Osama, but at least it was positive. I just, I, it warmed my heart that he said, fiance
today and that he loves her. And that just made her entire year. I just hope it continues.
I do too. And I agree with you 100% TLC. What is going on? Because every other episode,
they're not on it. And then when they're on it, like tonight we got one scene that was
literally a total of three minutes. Like, come on guys, you were over there in Morocco
with them. I want to see it. Like you said, this is a real love story. And she's still
in Morocco, which we don't know if she is or not. We want to know how this took place.
We want to know how it happened. And we want to see it outplay, like make it a movie for
us. This is a, this is a journey. We want to see this journey from start to finish and
where it ends up. And we don't want to be gypped of it. And I feel like you're 100% right.
I want to see them cohabitating. I want to see them in the same house. I want to see
them with the same people, not just at a poetry club, but I want to see them sit down for a
meal. I want to see them cook for each other. I want to see their body language and the
way they talk when they're not in public. I want to see all of that, but it's like,
we're just getting snippets. It's almost like everything we saw in the previews for the
season coming up, you know? It's like, I'm very disappointed.
I am too. And I know we're going to see in a future episode, because I don't know if
they're going to skip Debbie and Osama again next week, but we're going to see them go
to Kimmaset. And they're going to stay with Osama's parents for a few days is what she
said. And I don't know, a few minutes would be too long because she feels super out of
place because like she said, in the beginning, she never wanted a relationship with him.
They started talking online and it turned into that after many years, you know, a couple
of years. So the idea that she has to meet his parents and try to explain to them why
she's with their son who is 24 years of age is going to be awkward. Even though she didn't
want that, she never seek him out for a relationship. He messaged her first. She still feels like
she's in a weird situation and it's going to be very awkward. And I hope that she feels
welcomed in their home because, you know, as a parent, you know, a lot of parents will
say, what are you doing? You know, and they're going to make you feel very uncomfortable.
So I'm really worried about that, that interaction.
I'm sure she's older than his parents with him only being 24 years old. She's probably
considerably older than his parents. And that's going to be very, very awkward, very awkward.
And just outside of the age thing, there's he's a Muslim as well. So just so you're adding
two huge deals because Muslim people are very, very specific on who you can marry, who you
can go habitat with, what you can even do. And then adding the age aspect of it too is
just going to make it such a complicated situation to win it over because we kind of
watched this with Jenny and submit, you know, they, we clearly know they love each other,
but adding that age difference and that gap into it with the Indian culture, you know,
it's just something that is almost impossible to break through. So I'm wondering if they're
going to fall in love and then the family is going to shut it down. Like what is going
to happen with that because they can love each other until the moon and back. But if
it's family and their culture and religion won't allow it, it's just not going to happen.
Yeah, it's scary. It's scary. I feel for Debbie. I'm on the edge of my seat with it.
Same. Okay. So we're out of time. We're going to come back with part two. We have so much
more to talk about. This was a really good episode, by the way. Great job, TLC. So I'm
George Masi. Make sure you follow me on all social media platforms at George Masi George
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