1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,440 What is up everybody? I am George Mossey. Please say hello to my co-host Kara. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:07,940 Hi, guys. 3 00:00:07,940 --> 00:00:12,560 So, Naty Fiancé, the other way, Season Episode 9 has aired. First things first, there was 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:17,840 no Debbie or Osama or Julian on this episode. Shame on you, TLC, for not giving us what 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,720 we wanted. We wanted to see what was going on with them in Morocco, so we're going to 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,720 check back in with them next week. But we did get some information with Danielle and 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Johann. So, it's her first official day in the DR, and she's in this nice apartment. 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,960 It was pretty nice. She was pretty excited about it. So, she wanted to talk to her spiritual 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,880 advisor, which is called Baba. He's called Baba. And she wanted Johann to speak with 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,360 this spiritual advisor, which I thought was kind of interesting because we've watched 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,920 in the earlier episodes in the season. It's really open to the spiritual side of her religion. 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,200 Like, that is not something that they do in the Dominican Republic, and she's kind of 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,000 forcing it on him. And you know how I feel about religion and being forced on people? 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,760 I'm 100% against forcing religion on people, and I know it's hard when you believe something 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,920 and you love someone, you want them to believe too, but they need to do that on their own. 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:15,120 So, how do you feel about her trying to put this religion on him and trying to get him 17 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:20,920 to believe what she believes on the first full day of her being in that country? 18 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:26,760 First of all, I'm so against it. Don't ever push religion or politics on anybody. But I 19 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:32,560 will never take advice from somebody that gets their feelings from chains and knots. 20 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,800 I mean, what was that? 21 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,040 Yeah, I was confused by that too. She's like, oh, it's chains and links and knots, and that's 22 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,920 how he gets his information. And we didn't understand the advice either because he said 23 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,560 you need to watch your throat and you shouldn't be eating fish and mushrooms and bones from 24 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:54,640 fish. It's just a strange, there was no explanation as to why did he see him choking on a bone 25 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,400 or fish? Like, I didn't understand that. And there was no context to it. 26 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,240 Not poisoning. 27 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,720 So I talked about their anniversary. They went out for drinks and they were kind of talking 28 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,440 about things that they needed to change. And I was actually on board with this conversation 29 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,800 because this is the first adult conversation that I was at where there were yellow. There 30 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,880 was no issues. They were actually hearing each other. So I was 100% for this conversation. 31 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:25,120 But what we noticed in the conversation was Danielle kind of described was like, well, 32 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:30,000 if you can have friends, you can have friends. And she kind of tricked Johann into saying 33 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:36,560 that that was okay. And then leading up to, by the way, my ex Talon is in town from Miami 34 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,960 and I want to meet up with him. You just said it's okay. Like, how did you feel about that 35 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,120 sneak attack? 36 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:47,800 That was such a setup. I was so pissed off after that. I was like, did she just do that? 37 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,080 I mean, it was so blatantly obvious coming in. 38 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,600 Well, right. She got him to say it was okay. And I thought that they were making progress 39 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,960 too in this conversation because they were talking about things that bothered each other. 40 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,520 They were talking about things that they were willing to change for each other. And I was 41 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,640 like, this is a great conversation. And then it turned to that. I was like, well, first 42 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:09,240 of all, she kind of lured him into saying that. And then now she's saying, oh, well, 43 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,800 it should be okay. It's normal in my country for people to meet up with their exes. And 44 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,840 is that normal here? Like, I don't know. I know that we're all different. But how do 45 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,560 you feel? How does Kara feel meeting with exes? 46 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,320 I have been married for 29 years this year. 47 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,840 And if my husband that I was going to meet up with somebody that I dated 29 years ago, 48 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,280 he would lose his mind and probably vice versa, to be honest. But there's still, I mean, we 49 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,040 have complete trust. She doesn't trust him as it is, because he lied about the girl that 50 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,600 was pregnant and said she had a miscarriage when really she had an abortion. So the trust 51 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,480 is already gone. So if he came in with an ex and said, oh, I'm going to go have drinks 52 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,160 with her, she would lose her mind. 53 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,920 That is an amazing point because a lot of people on Twitter said if this, the tables 54 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,520 were turned in the other direction, and he brought in one of his exes of female and said, 55 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,440 oh, we're going to hang out. We've been talking online behind your back. Exactly what you 56 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,480 said. She would have flipped out, lost her mind. It would have been completely different 57 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,440 situation. And it's like, I can agree that it's possible that Danielle and this guy don't 58 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:16,160 have anything romantic going on. I can get that because I know of people, I don't have 59 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,640 any exes that I have a close relationship with, but I do know of people that speak and 60 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:26,360 interact and they be at the same place at the same time and nothing will happen. But 61 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,960 the way that their marriage is, like you said, with the trust issues, they don't need to 62 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:35,040 be bringing any exes or anybody else in. They need to work on the issues that they have 63 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:40,080 and they need to focus on each other because I feel like bringing a third party into a 64 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,180 bad situation as it is is a horrible idea. Absolutely. 65 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:47,800 So I want to talk about Nicole and Mach Mood because last week we thought that they were 66 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,960 going to put us out of our misery because it kind of seemed like Nicole and Mach Mood 67 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,480 had come to an agreement for the first time ever. They agreed on something and it was 68 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,680 that they were never going to change or compromise with each other and they were going to move 69 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,920 on and Nicole was going to pack her stuff and go back to LA. We were like, yeah, this 70 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,600 is the first third that we fully agree with. But unfortunately, Mach Mood's brother, who 71 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:15,920 is a master resolution specialist, jumped into action and he went up to where Mach Mood 72 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,320 left Nicole and I want to bring this up too. So Nicole said that she was really upset that 73 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,240 Mach Mood left her at that hotel. Now I remember pretty clearly last week that she kind of 74 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,080 pushed him and said, get the F away from me. I don't want to be around you. And then when 75 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:35,200 we saw her this week, she's like, can you guys believe that he had the audacity to leave 76 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,520 me here? Like who does that? And I was like, man, you push asked to. 77 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,960 She said right out of the gate, I told him to leave me alone. I just didn't think he 78 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:50,160 was going to leave me alone. Like, right. So what did you really want? Like, and that's 79 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,400 the thing that's like, I think Justin Bieber wrote a song about it was called What Do You 80 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,040 Mean? Like you say these things, what do you mean by what you say? I need to know a clear 81 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,280 answer. Men need to know clear answers. We are not the brightest, you know, of the species, 82 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:07,440 you know, we need a clear answer. We do not need to wonder what you mean. We need to know 83 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:13,720 exactly what you mean. And, and I think that Mood's brother did a good job of kind of downing 84 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,880 the situation into a positive place, kind of making it less serious. And what we did 85 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:24,120 see was he was able to get them to a mock mood to apologize, which I don't really feel 86 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,080 this necessary. Like I disagree, but I do know that diffusing a situation sometimes 87 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,080 an apology, even if it's unwarranted, will help diffuse a situation. And Nicole did 88 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:39,000 agree to leave, but they ended up going out as a family and they did something that really 89 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,840 irritated me. So they ignored their problems. They went out as though that fight never happened. 90 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:47,200 This situation didn't get out of control. There wasn't a physical altercation and they 91 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,680 were just out like, Oh, we're just going to live our lives. You can't live your life 92 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,920 when you have these type of massive problems. You have to acknowledge them, right? 93 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:01,360 Yep, absolutely. And the way he was bringing down the situation a little bit was kind of 94 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,840 like two siblings fighting, go hug your brother and tell him you're sorry kind of thing, you 95 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:10,520 know, it's like, if, if I was an adult woman in a different country and somebody started 96 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,520 parenting me on my marriage, I think that that would have been enough to get me to go 97 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:20,680 out. I just want them to have those hard conversations because the reason why they can't get along 98 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,600 is whenever they start having those hard conversations, they get mad and Mach mood goes in one direction, 99 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,520 Nicole goes in the other and they're never resolved. And it's like those interactions 100 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,800 are necessary for this. I mean, I said that on Twitter, I was like, even just Judy can't 101 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,840 make sense of this marriage. You know, this doesn't make sense. Nobody can ever make this 102 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,800 work, but I need Nicole to understand that so she can get her suitcases and get back 103 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,960 on the plane because she's still in the back of her mind feels like, well, I can make this 104 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:51,080 work. I can convince him to let me be a normal American Muslim woman. And I was like, I don't 105 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:57,240 know, in other countries, maybe there is a leniency when it comes to Muslim practices, 106 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:02,000 but I was actually raised in a religious cult, not a Muslim cult, but a different religious 107 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:07,280 cult. And there was no leniency. It was these are the rules. You do these rules or we will 108 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,160 kick you out of the church and you're, you know, you're condemned to a very low place 109 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,400 on earth where it's very hot. You know, so I don't know why she feels it's up to mock 110 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,880 mood or anyone else to tell her what she can and can't do. She converted to this religion. 111 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,480 And it was very clear. Mock Moots uncle and brother said, if she would have never converted, 112 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,400 we would never ask her to do these things. We're only asking her to do these things because 113 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,840 they see it as complete disrespect to their religion because she took out to become a 114 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,480 Muslim woman and now she's not following the practices and they're very strict religious. 115 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,920 So I don't know what do you want to happen? Do you want to resolve this? Do you want to 116 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:49,240 go home? What is your opinion on Nicole? Get her ass home. First of all, you don't convert 117 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,280 to a religion without finding out everything that goes with it. You just don't just walk 118 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,160 out the door and say I'm a different religion and know nothing about it. I expect everyone 119 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,800 to be okay with it because I chose to, but she just needs to come home. She is not happy 120 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:09,720 there. You can see he has zero light in her eyes, zero. She's very unhappy. Yeah, I can 121 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,840 see the turmoil that she's going through. And she said it last week. She was like, I'm 122 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:19,120 just surrounded by all this extreme craziness. It's all around me. She has no inner peace. 123 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,680 And I don't want her to feel like that. No one should ever feel like that. And like you 124 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:26,920 said, a simple Google search could have resolved this, but she got over there and she got in 125 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,920 over her head. And I don't want to blame anyone, but I do want to put some blame on 126 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,640 her because it's like you got in over your head, but the information was out there. You 127 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,880 know, the Muslim religion is a very traditional ancient religion. There's a lot of information 128 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,440 about it. If you would have been looking for it, you were not. So now that you're over 129 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,200 there, it's very difficult for you to adapt that into your life. And I just want her to 130 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,960 see the light and just grab her luggage, head back to LA and just be herself because 131 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,960 in actuality, she'll never be allowed to be herself. And it's not because of Mahmood. 132 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,720 Mahmood did not create the Muslim religion. Mahmood is just a man who practices that religion. 133 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,080 So I'm so sick of her saying, well, Mahmood won't let me. And this is what he wants. He 134 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,440 did not create this religion. He did not write the Quran. He didn't do any of this. He was 135 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:13,400 just asking you to honor the commitment of being his wife and the commitment you made 136 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:18,360 to be in his religion. That's all he's asking. But also she lived there before and it was 137 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:23,280 held the first time. So if it was bad the first time, what made you think it was going 138 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:29,000 to go good this time? Exactly. All right. So some happy stuff happened on this episode. 139 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,800 So Kristin, Jamie got married on their ninth day of knowing each other in person. I want 140 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,480 to say congratulations to them. Now, although there was no family members present on either 141 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:44,040 side, their chosen family was there. And Chris's family, her mom, daughter and son, 142 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,760 were there on zoom. Chris looked beautiful. Jamie looked amazing. Congratulations to you 143 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,040 guys. I'm so happy for you. I was really worried this wasn't going to be able to be there for 144 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,800 the wedding because of the court case, but everything worked out. So I just want to say 145 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,400 congrats to them. What do you have to say about this wedding? 146 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:04,520 Congrats to them. They both look gorgeous. It was awesome that she wore her mom's dress. 147 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:09,000 I think that was fantastic. They just looked so beautiful. The only things that I have 148 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:15,480 to say about the wedding is one, why was Chris getting her hair done in a highback chair? 149 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:22,320 There was no way to go behind it and brush it. And number two, when she said, I know 150 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:28,120 that it's in Spanish, but I don't need to know what they say. Yes, you do. Yes. 151 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,720 Isn't that kind of how Nicole got into her situation? You need to know what's going on. 152 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:38,280 Yes, you need to know. Yeah, but they look beautiful. It was a great wedding. 153 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,720 It was beautiful and I want nothing but the best for them. I know that things are going 154 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,440 to get complicated coming in the season because it does appear that Chris does need to leave 155 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,760 Columbia again for Alabama. And I know that's difficult for Jamie because Jamie is used 156 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,800 to Chris, you know, ghosting her and saying, oh, I might leave and Jamie is stuck wondering, 157 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,520 is she going to come back? Am I going to see her again? And they've only known each other 158 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:07,120 for nine days, you know, at this point. Yeah. Jamie is so beautiful. She's got such a look 159 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:12,200 of hope in her eyes all the time. And when Chris walks in the room, her whole face lights 160 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:17,200 up. She's happy. She is just happy. And I believe that Chris is happy too, but I think 161 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:22,440 she's got a lot of stress back home and needs to just down. But now that they're married, 162 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,920 maybe the fear will go out of Jamie a little bit because Chris committed this time. Yeah, 163 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,560 they got married. There's no going back from this. This is the ultimate commitment. And 164 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:34,880 like they say, when you're going to move or you're dying, one or the other, you got to 165 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,600 get your affairs in order. I do feel like Chris hopped on that plane before everything 166 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,800 was in order. That's why that she's having these issues coming back and asking her to 167 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,360 come back and things like that. So maybe if she does go back to Alabama, it will just 168 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:52,520 be to finish up those few loose ends so she can really root and ground herself in Bogota 169 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,000 because that's what's important. And that's what Jamie is looking for. Jamie wants to 170 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,800 know that that is her wife and her wife is going to be there no matter what. Oh, and 171 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,760 Chris did meet Jamie's friends. They all got along. As you know, they were pretty worried 172 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,920 about Chris too, because they were worried about Jamie getting hurt. And they were like, 173 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,360 well, we're not sure that she's really serious, but they met her the night before things went 174 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,320 well. They were at the wedding. They did her makeup. So everything is looking good. So 175 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:22,360 I have high hopes for what we've seen from this episode. Me too, for sure. All right, 176 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,120 guys. So that's all that happened in part one. We're going to come back with part two 177 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:30,080 because we have to talk about Gabe and Isabel. And we also have to talk about Jen and Rishi. 178 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,160 And I want to talk about Randy Jen's friend who revealed some pretty shocking information 179 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:40,880 to us that she had withheld from Jen, which I have an opinion on because I feel like loyalty. 180 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:46,160 Yeah, loyalty is very important. And we're also going to talk about Kushi, who is Rishi's 181 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,960 good friend. She gave us some little background information on Rishi and what he's been doing 182 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:57,400 in India. And it doesn't necessarily match up with what he's been telling Jen. So that's 183 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,440 interesting too. All right, guys, I'm George Masi. Make sure you're following me on all 184 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,600 social media platforms at George Masi, GeorgeMasi.com and anywhere you get your podcast. And please 185 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,720 follow my co-host Kara too. Her links are right here at the bottom. I'm going to talk 186 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,520 to all of you guys very, very soon. Bye.