What is up everybody? I am George Mossey. Please say hello to my co-host Kara.
Hi, guys.
So, Naty Fiancé, the other way, Season Episode 9 has aired. First things first, there was
no Debbie or Osama or Julian on this episode. Shame on you, TLC, for not giving us what
we wanted. We wanted to see what was going on with them in Morocco, so we're going to
check back in with them next week. But we did get some information with Danielle and
Johann. So, it's her first official day in the DR, and she's in this nice apartment.
It was pretty nice. She was pretty excited about it. So, she wanted to talk to her spiritual
advisor, which is called Baba. He's called Baba. And she wanted Johann to speak with
this spiritual advisor, which I thought was kind of interesting because we've watched
in the earlier episodes in the season. It's really open to the spiritual side of her religion.
Like, that is not something that they do in the Dominican Republic, and she's kind of
forcing it on him. And you know how I feel about religion and being forced on people?
I'm 100% against forcing religion on people, and I know it's hard when you believe something
and you love someone, you want them to believe too, but they need to do that on their own.
So, how do you feel about her trying to put this religion on him and trying to get him
to believe what she believes on the first full day of her being in that country?
First of all, I'm so against it. Don't ever push religion or politics on anybody. But I
will never take advice from somebody that gets their feelings from chains and knots.
I mean, what was that?
Yeah, I was confused by that too. She's like, oh, it's chains and links and knots, and that's
how he gets his information. And we didn't understand the advice either because he said
you need to watch your throat and you shouldn't be eating fish and mushrooms and bones from
fish. It's just a strange, there was no explanation as to why did he see him choking on a bone
or fish? Like, I didn't understand that. And there was no context to it.
Not poisoning.
So I talked about their anniversary. They went out for drinks and they were kind of talking
about things that they needed to change. And I was actually on board with this conversation
because this is the first adult conversation that I was at where there were yellow. There
was no issues. They were actually hearing each other. So I was 100% for this conversation.
But what we noticed in the conversation was Danielle kind of described was like, well,
if you can have friends, you can have friends. And she kind of tricked Johann into saying
that that was okay. And then leading up to, by the way, my ex Talon is in town from Miami
and I want to meet up with him. You just said it's okay. Like, how did you feel about that
sneak attack?
That was such a setup. I was so pissed off after that. I was like, did she just do that?
I mean, it was so blatantly obvious coming in.
Well, right. She got him to say it was okay. And I thought that they were making progress
too in this conversation because they were talking about things that bothered each other.
They were talking about things that they were willing to change for each other. And I was
like, this is a great conversation. And then it turned to that. I was like, well, first
of all, she kind of lured him into saying that. And then now she's saying, oh, well,
it should be okay. It's normal in my country for people to meet up with their exes. And
is that normal here? Like, I don't know. I know that we're all different. But how do
you feel? How does Kara feel meeting with exes?
I have been married for 29 years this year.
And if my husband that I was going to meet up with somebody that I dated 29 years ago,
he would lose his mind and probably vice versa, to be honest. But there's still, I mean, we
have complete trust. She doesn't trust him as it is, because he lied about the girl that
was pregnant and said she had a miscarriage when really she had an abortion. So the trust
is already gone. So if he came in with an ex and said, oh, I'm going to go have drinks
with her, she would lose her mind.
That is an amazing point because a lot of people on Twitter said if this, the tables
were turned in the other direction, and he brought in one of his exes of female and said,
oh, we're going to hang out. We've been talking online behind your back. Exactly what you
said. She would have flipped out, lost her mind. It would have been completely different
situation. And it's like, I can agree that it's possible that Danielle and this guy don't
have anything romantic going on. I can get that because I know of people, I don't have
any exes that I have a close relationship with, but I do know of people that speak and
interact and they be at the same place at the same time and nothing will happen. But
the way that their marriage is, like you said, with the trust issues, they don't need to
be bringing any exes or anybody else in. They need to work on the issues that they have
and they need to focus on each other because I feel like bringing a third party into a
bad situation as it is is a horrible idea. Absolutely.
So I want to talk about Nicole and Mach Mood because last week we thought that they were
going to put us out of our misery because it kind of seemed like Nicole and Mach Mood
had come to an agreement for the first time ever. They agreed on something and it was
that they were never going to change or compromise with each other and they were going to move
on and Nicole was going to pack her stuff and go back to LA. We were like, yeah, this
is the first third that we fully agree with. But unfortunately, Mach Mood's brother, who
is a master resolution specialist, jumped into action and he went up to where Mach Mood
left Nicole and I want to bring this up too. So Nicole said that she was really upset that
Mach Mood left her at that hotel. Now I remember pretty clearly last week that she kind of
pushed him and said, get the F away from me. I don't want to be around you. And then when
we saw her this week, she's like, can you guys believe that he had the audacity to leave
me here? Like who does that? And I was like, man, you push asked to.
She said right out of the gate, I told him to leave me alone. I just didn't think he
was going to leave me alone. Like, right. So what did you really want? Like, and that's
the thing that's like, I think Justin Bieber wrote a song about it was called What Do You
Mean? Like you say these things, what do you mean by what you say? I need to know a clear
answer. Men need to know clear answers. We are not the brightest, you know, of the species,
you know, we need a clear answer. We do not need to wonder what you mean. We need to know
exactly what you mean. And, and I think that Mood's brother did a good job of kind of downing
the situation into a positive place, kind of making it less serious. And what we did
see was he was able to get them to a mock mood to apologize, which I don't really feel
this necessary. Like I disagree, but I do know that diffusing a situation sometimes
an apology, even if it's unwarranted, will help diffuse a situation. And Nicole did
agree to leave, but they ended up going out as a family and they did something that really
irritated me. So they ignored their problems. They went out as though that fight never happened.
This situation didn't get out of control. There wasn't a physical altercation and they
were just out like, Oh, we're just going to live our lives. You can't live your life
when you have these type of massive problems. You have to acknowledge them, right?
Yep, absolutely. And the way he was bringing down the situation a little bit was kind of
like two siblings fighting, go hug your brother and tell him you're sorry kind of thing, you
know, it's like, if, if I was an adult woman in a different country and somebody started
parenting me on my marriage, I think that that would have been enough to get me to go
out. I just want them to have those hard conversations because the reason why they can't get along
is whenever they start having those hard conversations, they get mad and Mach mood goes in one direction,
Nicole goes in the other and they're never resolved. And it's like those interactions
are necessary for this. I mean, I said that on Twitter, I was like, even just Judy can't
make sense of this marriage. You know, this doesn't make sense. Nobody can ever make this
work, but I need Nicole to understand that so she can get her suitcases and get back
on the plane because she's still in the back of her mind feels like, well, I can make this
work. I can convince him to let me be a normal American Muslim woman. And I was like, I don't
know, in other countries, maybe there is a leniency when it comes to Muslim practices,
but I was actually raised in a religious cult, not a Muslim cult, but a different religious
cult. And there was no leniency. It was these are the rules. You do these rules or we will
kick you out of the church and you're, you know, you're condemned to a very low place
on earth where it's very hot. You know, so I don't know why she feels it's up to mock
mood or anyone else to tell her what she can and can't do. She converted to this religion.
And it was very clear. Mock Moots uncle and brother said, if she would have never converted,
we would never ask her to do these things. We're only asking her to do these things because
they see it as complete disrespect to their religion because she took out to become a
Muslim woman and now she's not following the practices and they're very strict religious.
So I don't know what do you want to happen? Do you want to resolve this? Do you want to
go home? What is your opinion on Nicole? Get her ass home. First of all, you don't convert
to a religion without finding out everything that goes with it. You just don't just walk
out the door and say I'm a different religion and know nothing about it. I expect everyone
to be okay with it because I chose to, but she just needs to come home. She is not happy
there. You can see he has zero light in her eyes, zero. She's very unhappy. Yeah, I can
see the turmoil that she's going through. And she said it last week. She was like, I'm
just surrounded by all this extreme craziness. It's all around me. She has no inner peace.
And I don't want her to feel like that. No one should ever feel like that. And like you
said, a simple Google search could have resolved this, but she got over there and she got in
over her head. And I don't want to blame anyone, but I do want to put some blame on
her because it's like you got in over your head, but the information was out there. You
know, the Muslim religion is a very traditional ancient religion. There's a lot of information
about it. If you would have been looking for it, you were not. So now that you're over
there, it's very difficult for you to adapt that into your life. And I just want her to
see the light and just grab her luggage, head back to LA and just be herself because
in actuality, she'll never be allowed to be herself. And it's not because of Mahmood.
Mahmood did not create the Muslim religion. Mahmood is just a man who practices that religion.
So I'm so sick of her saying, well, Mahmood won't let me. And this is what he wants. He
did not create this religion. He did not write the Quran. He didn't do any of this. He was
just asking you to honor the commitment of being his wife and the commitment you made
to be in his religion. That's all he's asking. But also she lived there before and it was
held the first time. So if it was bad the first time, what made you think it was going
to go good this time? Exactly. All right. So some happy stuff happened on this episode.
So Kristin, Jamie got married on their ninth day of knowing each other in person. I want
to say congratulations to them. Now, although there was no family members present on either
side, their chosen family was there. And Chris's family, her mom, daughter and son,
were there on zoom. Chris looked beautiful. Jamie looked amazing. Congratulations to you
guys. I'm so happy for you. I was really worried this wasn't going to be able to be there for
the wedding because of the court case, but everything worked out. So I just want to say
congrats to them. What do you have to say about this wedding?
Congrats to them. They both look gorgeous. It was awesome that she wore her mom's dress.
I think that was fantastic. They just looked so beautiful. The only things that I have
to say about the wedding is one, why was Chris getting her hair done in a highback chair?
There was no way to go behind it and brush it. And number two, when she said, I know
that it's in Spanish, but I don't need to know what they say. Yes, you do. Yes.
Isn't that kind of how Nicole got into her situation? You need to know what's going on.
Yes, you need to know. Yeah, but they look beautiful. It was a great wedding.
It was beautiful and I want nothing but the best for them. I know that things are going
to get complicated coming in the season because it does appear that Chris does need to leave
Columbia again for Alabama. And I know that's difficult for Jamie because Jamie is used
to Chris, you know, ghosting her and saying, oh, I might leave and Jamie is stuck wondering,
is she going to come back? Am I going to see her again? And they've only known each other
for nine days, you know, at this point. Yeah. Jamie is so beautiful. She's got such a look
of hope in her eyes all the time. And when Chris walks in the room, her whole face lights
up. She's happy. She is just happy. And I believe that Chris is happy too, but I think
she's got a lot of stress back home and needs to just down. But now that they're married,
maybe the fear will go out of Jamie a little bit because Chris committed this time. Yeah,
they got married. There's no going back from this. This is the ultimate commitment. And
like they say, when you're going to move or you're dying, one or the other, you got to
get your affairs in order. I do feel like Chris hopped on that plane before everything
was in order. That's why that she's having these issues coming back and asking her to
come back and things like that. So maybe if she does go back to Alabama, it will just
be to finish up those few loose ends so she can really root and ground herself in Bogota
because that's what's important. And that's what Jamie is looking for. Jamie wants to
know that that is her wife and her wife is going to be there no matter what. Oh, and
Chris did meet Jamie's friends. They all got along. As you know, they were pretty worried
about Chris too, because they were worried about Jamie getting hurt. And they were like,
well, we're not sure that she's really serious, but they met her the night before things went
well. They were at the wedding. They did her makeup. So everything is looking good. So
I have high hopes for what we've seen from this episode. Me too, for sure. All right,
guys. So that's all that happened in part one. We're going to come back with part two
because we have to talk about Gabe and Isabel. And we also have to talk about Jen and Rishi.
And I want to talk about Randy Jen's friend who revealed some pretty shocking information
to us that she had withheld from Jen, which I have an opinion on because I feel like loyalty.
Yeah, loyalty is very important. And we're also going to talk about Kushi, who is Rishi's
good friend. She gave us some little background information on Rishi and what he's been doing
in India. And it doesn't necessarily match up with what he's been telling Jen. So that's
interesting too. All right, guys, I'm George Masi. Make sure you're following me on all
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