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What is up everybody? I am George Mossey. Please say hello to my co-host, Sharona. So this is

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the 90-day fiancé, the other way, Season 4 Episode 7 podcast recap on the George Masi show.

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And we are going to be talking about this extension of a fight. I mean, every scene with

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Nicole and Mak Mood is a fight. But this was a fight that happened on last week that kind of

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spilled over into this week. So Mak Mood made a comment. He said, I don't want to be with you.

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And Nicole saw that as him saying, pack your stuff and go back to America. So she went to the

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room and started packing. And Mak Mood is like, what are you doing? Don't leave. I didn't really

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mean it, blah, blah, blah. And instead of accepting his apologies, she's like, well, I'm not really

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thrilled with you. I don't really feel like I want to be with you. I want to stay here. I feel

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uncomfortable. And I feel like, in my opinion, Nicole likes to fight. I don't know if you feel

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that way. But every time, because Mak Mood is the type of person where he would just be like,

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oh, my love, I'm sorry, I love you. And then try to de-escalate the situation. And Nicole is the

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type of person where she's like, don't touch me. Don't say you're sorry. I'm pissed off. And she

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wants to continue the fight. So I've noticed that about them. They're like oil and vinegar.

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Nicole is always ready to extend the fight and yell and get mad. And Mak Mood is always where

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he's like, okay, my love, I'm sorry, let's move on. And I've noticed that it's never going to

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de-escalate because Nicole is always ready to come firing back. So I think what really is

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bothering her is she doesn't understand how loving her has to do with what she's wearing,

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what's not covered. And I think in actuality for an American, it probably is difficult,

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because in our culture, if your husband or your boyfriend or I can go vice versa,

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regardless of the gender of who you're dating, tells you what to wear, you see that as controlling,

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and you don't see it as love. Because that's how we're taught here in America. If someone tells

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you what you can and can wear, can and can wear, they don't love you. They're just compelling you

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and they don't appreciate you. And they don't appreciate giving you the opportunity to have

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your freedom. But in an Egyptian culture, the more you love your wife or your spouse, the more you

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want them to be covered. And I know this sounds really odd, but this is just how their religion

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works. Like for a woman, the less skin you can see, the more accepted and loved and religious

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she has seen and respected. And it's very difficult for Nicole, who's raised in a normal,

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she raised, I believe in Iowa, I believe she said, yeah, in a normal household where she was able to

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express herself, she's into fashion, she makes her own clothes. It's very difficult for her to

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understand that Mahmood loves her so much that he wants her to be covered. Because in his religion,

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that's the most purest way to show love to your wife. It's by saying what she can and can wear.

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And it's not a sense of control. It's a sense of teaching her the ways of their religion and why

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it's important. And then the wives actually agree with it and do it out of the free will,

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because they know that it's right. And I feel like Mahmood is failing in a sense, because he's not

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teaching Nicole why it's important. He's just telling her why she can and can't do things.

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You know, even with a child, when you tell a child not to do something, they're going to do it.

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Like you can tell the child, don't stick anything in the outlet. And then you just walk away,

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they're going to go grab something and stick it in the outlet because you didn't tell them why,

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you just told them not to do it. So you have to say, like, don't stick it in the outlet,

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it'll let you cause you're you die. And then the kid will be like, Oh, I'm definitely not doing

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that. Right. Like, that's, that's insane. But like, he's just telling her like, Oh, you need to cover

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your head and you need to do this. And that's going to make me happy. But it doesn't make sense to her.

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There was a meeting with Mahmood's uncle, who is a clothing manufacturer. And that meeting was

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postponed by this huge fight. But in their culture, it's important that Nicole and Mahmood show up,

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regardless of how they feel, regardless of the situation that took place. And that meeting

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actually made her feel even more upset. Because in their culture, since she decided to convert to

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their religion, they feel that it is disrespectful for her to show up without her head covered.

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They didn't really speak more on the clothes was more so just about the job this time. But he said

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that since she was a Christian and she decided to convert, that's why they feel that it's

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disrespectful. If she never would have decided to convert, they never would ask her to adapt their

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culture. And I think Nicole didn't realize that all she had to do was not convert. And she could

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have been herself. They said that their culture is not forced upon anyone that is not a part of

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their culture. So by her deciding to convert, this is what got her into this mess in the first place.

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Honestly, that's exactly what I was going to say. And we have to continue to say it is not

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Mahmood's religion or culture. It is now both of theirs because she has converted and she did not

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did not listen to anything because obviously she knew something before she converted. And the uncle

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hit the nail right on the head and I was like, you know what? I like this guy. I got mad respect

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for you because he said if you would have stayed a Christian, this wouldn't be an issue. You decided

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free willingly. No one made her convert. She did it on her own because she said that she wanted to

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be the same religion as her husband and she wanted to respect his culture. But she's not

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respecting it. So why'd you do it? It's not like something you can just like, oh, just kidding.

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I don't want to be like that anymore. I'm just going to be a Christian again. Like no, over there,

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that's you can't do that. You can't. It's not like you change your hair color and you're like,

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oops, I'm I'm a blonde and now I'm a brunette, but I want to be blonde again. I'm just going to go

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blonde. Like you can't just do that with religion and culture. Like this is the core part of their

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values. And she did not look or read into this apparently, which I mean, I'm from California

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and I am in San Diego. I go to LA. I lived in LA. There's a lot of people that are Muslim.

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So it's not like the culture is foreign to us. We've seen it. We see it all the time in California.

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You see it everywhere. Every what you know, the United States is the melting pot. So there are

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these cultures everywhere. So it's not like this is something brand new to her that she's never

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seen in her life. And if she tries to say that she's never seen that in LA, I'm sorry, but that's

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all cap because I've seen it. I've lived there. So I don't know. I just don't know what she's

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like arguing. Like you said, I think she just really likes to argue. Like all she wants to do

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is create confrontation. You chose this life. You were going to divorce this man and you didn't.

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So you know what? Joke's on you now. I don't know. I can't help her. I can't help her. I can't.

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Enough with Nicole because I feel like that is a helpless situation. I want to talk about

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Gabe and Isabel because we found out that Gabe has a best friend named Trey who was unaware

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that Gabe was trans, which I thought was kind of crazy, but it's not though, because Gabe looks

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so much like himself now. Like it's impossible for anyone to know unless he tells someone. So I

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was surprised. But then I was like, eh, not really because Gabe looks like Gabe, you know, like unless

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Gabe tells someone that he was born a woman, there's absolutely no way you would have figured

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that out. But we found out that it's not all rainbows and butterflies because Isabel feels a

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certain type of way about Trey. So she revealed to us that Trey is a womanizer. So every time she

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sees Trey, he's with a different woman. Now she doesn't have a problem with that specifically

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because she is not in a relationship with Trey. Her issue lies with Gabe being so close with Trey

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and they go out together. And in fact, this restaurant that they were in in this episode

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was a spot where Trey and Gabe like to go out and it frequents a lot of Americans, English-speaking

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people. And that kind of makes Isabel a tiny bit insecure because it's something that she can't

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compete with. Like an American person who speaks English, who is of a certain look or whatever,

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she feels a little insecure because she's like, what if he meets someone that he likes better than

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me? And I hate that for Isabel for thinking that because first of all, Isabel, you're beautiful,

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you're perfect, you're amazing, you're special, and Gabe is there for a reason. So I wish you

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didn't feel that way. But I understand we're only human. We have these feelings where it's possible

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where if someone is around and I think Isabel said it best in this episode, she said, I trust Gabe.

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I don't trust Gabe when he is with Trey because I don't know what Trey does behind closed doors

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and they're very secretive. And we saw that in this episode when she was like, why are you shushing

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him? Like just let him say it. Don't keep secrets. I want to know what's going on. If you guys are

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doing something in this restaurant, don't keep it from me. So those type of things are making her

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feel this way. She feels that Trey is a bad influence and influence is a big deal to her

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because she feels like no matter what Gabe feels, being around people that are doing things that

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don't necessarily align with what he wants to do can influence him to do different things.

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So I think that she has a right to feel that way. But I also feel like she doesn't have anything to

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worry about. I feel like Gabe is definitely he moved his self, he moved his business, he moved

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everything to be with her. I don't really feel like she has anything to worry about, but again,

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she's human and those feelings are not something that you can just turn on or off. If you feel that

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way, that's how you feel. And I feel like Gabe has to do work a little harder to make sure that she

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doesn't feel that way and that she's never put in a position to feel like there are secrets being

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held from her. Yeah, I feel the same thing. Like I think the shushing and the secrets, like we've

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never seen this side of them. So it was a little interesting to see because they seem so perfect.

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Right. And it's crazy. I personally wouldn't be so insecure about someone hanging out with

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someone that is a womanizer or whatever because Gabe even got a tattoo for he covered the other

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girl. I love that. But I mean, you can't guess people say that you can base everyone off of

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their friends. But I don't think that that's true because you could have a friend that goes out and

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does something crazy and you could be like a little bookworm, you know, opposite the tract.

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So just because they're hanging out doesn't mean that Gabe is going to be unfaithful and

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Trace not in a relationship that we know of. So it's not like he has to be faithful to anyone.

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He can talk to women all he wants. But Gabe should have been honest and said, yeah, we do come here.

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And I'm sorry, but if you're trying to lie to someone, you're doing it really badly because

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we're not telling the other person that you're going to lie. So that's your first mistake, Gabe.

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That's lying. You can't just, you know, they didn't even have like an eye look. They had nothing. You

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just like, of course, like, why are you shushing him? And she can't fully understand everything

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that Gabe and Trace are saying. So yes, that will make her insecure. He was being a little sus. So

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of course she's going to think, but he's obviously we don't know. It could just be something that's

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not sketchy at all. But he's making it seem sketchy. You're going about it all the wrong way.

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And that's why my girl Isabel is over here like, what the hell is going on? And I get that part.

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But if Gabe didn't make her feel like she needed to be insecure, I don't think she would be insecure

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at all. Trace, Gabe and Isabel go to her parents' house for a few days. And this is going to be

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the time where he does two things. He's going to tell her parents that he's trans. He's also going

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to ask for her hand in marriage from her dad. And these are big things. And actually at dinner,

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it's not a huge deal. The parents love Gabe. And they are very happy that the relationship

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is serious. They are very happy that Gabe has moved there and they're doing so well. They're

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very happy with him in every way. And they even got the opinions of Isabel's children and they're

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like, see, everyone is saying hi, hi, things of Gabe. And we are happy that they're taking this

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next step. So the only thing that Gabe is worried about and we're worried about too is when they

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discuss him being trans, which again, I'm going to keep saying it because I'm a broken record.

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It's none of their business. I wish that he didn't need their approval. I understand why he wants it,

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but I wish that he didn't need it because her dad is very religious and conservative. And those two

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things have been known. I don't want to say that her dad is not open-minded, but have been known to

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be characteristics of someone who is not open-minded. So I just don't know how relevant this is to her

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parents because if he loves their daughter and their daughter loves him, I don't know the relevance

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of whether or not he was born a man or a woman is to that situation. Yeah, I, like you said, they

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love Gabe. Their family is obsessed. They're creating this amazing little family together

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and then her parents are so happy about it. They told Gabe, our house is always open for you,

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you can always come here. We love you. So like you said, if they're so religious and Isabel's

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really scared, we don't know how they're going to react. And like you said, like it's no one's business.

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Like if Gabe wants to say it, which he does, you know, he can do that. But if he decided he didn't

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want to and he wanted to just go forward with the proposal, he could do that too. It's whatever

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makes him comfortable. But when Trey asks, like, if your parents don't approve, what are you going

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to do? And she's still really doesn't know because that's hard. Like picking like someone over your

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family. Like, I mean, it's not like their family lives next door, but still it's your family.

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Families, we have seen for multiple years that family mess up relationships. So we just need to,

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I don't know, I want to protect Gabe. I don't want anything bad to happen to them. I think

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there's such a great couple. They're such a cute little family. But if Gabe needs to speak his

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truth, then that's what he needs to do. And if the parents don't accept him, I just hope they'll

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work out. And like you said, choosing between the person you love and your family is never easy

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because she's a mom. She has two children that need to also be a part of her parents' lives. So

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choosing that isn't just for her. It's sometimes it could mean choosing that for her children as well.

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And she doesn't want to limit the relationship that they have with their grandparents. So if they

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don't agree, it's just going to be a huge deal, a life changing decision for everybody involved.

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So I really want them to work out. And like I said, before this episode, I never saw one

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problem in this relationship. This was the first time I realized that they had actual problems.

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So I'm just fingers crossed, hoping for them because in my mind, they're the only ones that

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have it together, right? They're the only ones. All right, guys, that's all the time we have.

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