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What is up everybody? I am George Mossey. Please say hello to my co-host, Sharona. This is the

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90-day fiance season 4, episode 7, a podcast recap. On the George Masi show, we have a lot

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to talk about. Everybody was present minus Danielle and Johann, who we're going to have

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to wait and see what's going on with their marriage next week. We'll praise them on the

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preview. Johann is doing some things that Danielle doesn't like, and they're questioning their

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love, which we kind of assumed as much all season. But I do want to talk about Debbie

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and Osama, because all season we've been getting tiny, tiny snippets of Debbie and Osama. Nothing

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where we can get any kind of idea of what's going on. But this week, we got an interaction

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between Debbie and Osama that kind of shocked all of us, because Debbie packed up her life.

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She told both of her kids, Julian and Sandy, that she was moving to Morocco. She was marrying Osama,

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and all of this was etched in stone. This was her story of what was going to go on, and

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she was pretty sure that that was what was going to take place. And before they could even get to

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Rabat, which is a city in Morocco where they were going to be staying in this beautiful hotel

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called the House of Flowers. We'll talk about that later. She found out that Osama wants her to become

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half of a Moroccan wife. Now, I don't know what that even means, but in his actual explanation,

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he wants her to cook for him, clean for him, and do things that a wife would do. Now, the first

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thing that came to my mind was, if Osama doesn't work, because that gets in the way of his creativity,

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why would he need his wife to cook and clean for him? Couldn't he do that for the both of them?

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Because neither of them would be working. So I was like, that is a really interesting thing. And

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then not only that, he wants Debbie to move in with his parents on the farm for two months,

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which I can't imagine how that situation is going to play out. Your 67-year-old girlfriend,

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because it's girlfriend, right? Are they even engaged? I know he asked her to marry him over

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like social media, but when she got there in person, which wasn't the first time either,

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by the way, we have to talk about that too, he's acting as though they don't know each other.

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And that was really shocking to me, because after three years and a few trips over to Morocco,

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he was treating Debbie like he had no clue who she was. And Debbie was like a year ago,

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prior to this visit, he was trying to get her to go to the embassy and get paperwork and marry him.

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So now that she has returned to Morocco, she is trying to figure out what changed. And I don't

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understand. I don't understand either, because if he wanted to marry her a year ago, what would be

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different now? Because they've actually gotten to know each other even more. It's a whole another

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year under their belt and a relationship. But Debbie is now realizing that Osama is a liar.

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He has told her what she wanted to hear to get her there. And he even admitted it. He said,

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if I would have told you the truth that we weren't going to get married and you were probably going

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to go back to the US after two months, you never would have came. So I want to put Debbie back on

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the next flight back to Georgia. And I want her back home safe, because at this point, I feel like

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Debbie is in danger. Yeah, like, okay, what was he meaning when he's like us in reality? Like you

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said, they have met each other before they've been together. It's not like how anyone else is just

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like online, like, like Chris and Jamie, you know, like they just met. That's different. And they're

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even they're getting married, you know? So it's like, what's the holdup? Why is he acting like he

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doesn't know her now? Like he just brings her here, lies to her, but wanted to marry her the time

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before doesn't want to marry her now. Like, I'm so confused what is going to happen. Like,

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I would run for the hills. Like you said, let's protect Debbie at all costs, Debbie,

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let's bring you back. You need to come back to Georgia because I don't know about this anymore.

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So what is his end game? Because Debbie has told us, I know we don't know if we can verify it or

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not that she's never gave him any money. So I was wondering, like, what does he want from her? If

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it's not money, and now he doesn't want to marry her, what is his end game? What is the whole point

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of stringing Debbie along for three years? And what seems to be a relationship that he has no

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interest in continuing? Because now that she's ready and willing to marry him and ready to take

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this step, he's not interested. And she's ready to get in an apartment with him and help pay bills

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and even consider being half of a Moroccan wife. And let's let's throw in there that wine isn't

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allowed. So she's even willing to give up wine for this man, which that's a lot, right? Like,

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there are some people that I can tolerate, but I need a lot of alcohol to do that. So the idea

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that she's willing to do that, and he's not reciprocating that, what is his end game? What

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does he want from her? Honestly, I really would like to know. And it's like, she's going to move

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in with him and his family. She needs wine. I would need wine. You can't just go live with

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someone's family. And like you said, you're gonna have to tolerate these people. And she's going

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to have to be like a half of a Moroccan wife, which I mean, we need clarification on what the

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hell that even means, because that makes no sense. But what does he want with our girl? Does he want

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the money? We just don't know it yet. Like, has she given him gifts that he's expecting more of?

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Like, he's really acting like this is the very first time they've ever seen each other.

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And Debbie, like, I she's heartbroken. She's absolutely heartbroken, but anyone would be

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heartbroken. Because that's insane. It's like she said, I gave you three years. What do you mean

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that you want me to come here for two months? Go home like this is a trial. Like you've already

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done the trial. That's why she's back. I don't know what he wants. It's honestly mind blowing.

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It's so confusing. I was just like screaming at the TV like, what do you want, sir? What do you want?

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Like nobody knows. I don't even think he knows. I think he does. We just don't know. I feel like

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he has a plan. We're just not devious enough to figure it out. And that's the problem. I bet Officer

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Julian could probably explain it better. Right, Julian, what does he want with your mom? We want to

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know. All right, so Jamie and Chris, right? So it's actually time for Chris to meet Jamie's friends,

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her two besties, Alex and Leo. And they've been planning this because they're going to do her

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makeup for the wedding. So they want to meet her, see who their subject will be, and get to know

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her because it's important that they get along because Jamie said that these are basically the

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only two friends that she has, right? So their approval is important. She wanted them to meet

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Chris, but Chris is actually lying in bed in terrible, terrible pain, unable to even move.

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The injection that the doctor gave her for this neck pain didn't work. That is just how

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excruciating and chronic this pain is. And it's looking as though the surgery is going to be

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the only relief. But Leo and Alex are feeling a little bit like this is a huge red flag because

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they were there when Chris decided to ghost Jamie on her birthday for a month. So they were like,

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the day before your wedding, she all of a sudden has to go back to Alabama to go to court. This is

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very peculiar. They're like, do you think that she maybe has cold feet? She's not ready to commit.

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She wants to retreat the situation. And Jamie is like, well, she is here and we do love each other

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and we did move past that. And her friends are just like, notice the signs in front of you. Like

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they want to be supportive, but they also want to make sure that she's not going to get stood up

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or hurt. And it is a very interesting situation. It's like nothing about this bike, nothing about

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this case. And then right before it's time for them to get married, she has to go back. And it is a

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very peculiar situation. And the idea that she has ghosted her in the past, it does make you wonder

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because she's like, if she gets on that plane and goes back to Alabama, she doesn't ever have to pick

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up my calls again. She doesn't ever have to answer a FaceTime or text. She could just ghost me and

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be gone and never come back, which would be crazy because she literally moved Jamie into an apartment

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where Jamie had her own place. And she really up uprooted her life to be with Chris. So if that

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was to happen, that would be crazy, but it's not off brand, right? Based on what we've seen from

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Chris in the past. Yeah, that's the part that gets me. It's like you said, it's not off brand for her

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to ghost and have all these crazy things happen, all these crazy stories. So I see where her friends

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are coming from because they're real friends, obviously, if they weren't real friends, they

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wouldn't be concerned. So anyway, friends and be concerned, especially when they were the ones

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picking up the pieces, when Chris ghosted her, so I get where they're coming from. But we want to

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believe, you know, that she would not fake, first of all, an illness. I mean, you don't want someone

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to pretend that they're in so much pain and not meet your friends, because that would be terrible.

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And we also don't, you know, we don't want to think she's a liar. But like, it's weird that the

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case never came up till now. You think that they would have talked about that if that's the money

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that Chris said she was bringing with her to Columbia to make a better life for her and Jamie.

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So I just don't really understand what's going on here. So it's so hard. Like I was rocking my

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brain around this too. I feel like there's so many surprises in this episode. Like, what's, what's

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the real underlying thing? Like, is she going to get married and then leave and then ghost her?

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Is she going to come back? Is she going to get like, what's going to happen?

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Yeah, that's what I'm wondering too, because once she marries her, it's like she kind of has to

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come back. But again, marriages don't really stand through countries. So it's like she could marry her

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over there and still be single over here. So she doesn't technically have to go back. So it's still

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in the back of Jamie's mind. Like, does she really love me? Does she really want to commit to me?

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Would she come back after that by choice because she doesn't have to? Or could she go over there

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and just ghost again? And I understand those, those doubts because when someone has done something so

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horrible to you, like ghost you on your birthday for a whole month, like that's just something

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that I would never recover from. So I physically and emotionally understand where those doubts are

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coming from. Yeah, I definitely see that. All right, I want to talk about Jen and Richie. So

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there was a couple of things that came up. So Jen and Richie were talking about living together

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as a family. And Jen actually asked Richie about that and said, if it's a deal breaker for them,

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maybe that they shouldn't proceed. And Richie was like, you know what, I would live separately from

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my family if that would really make you happy. And when I heard him say that, and then Jen was like,

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I don't know if I believe you. I was like, see, Jen, I feel that because he always seems to just

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say whatever sounds like the right thing to say in that moment. But then there's no actual action.

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Like he's like, oh, I'm going to tell my family about you and I'm going to tell them we're engaged,

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we're going to all get along, we're going to do these things. And he's like always making plans,

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but there is no action. So I'm like, Jen, I'm happy to see her questioning

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and tendons because it's easy to say the right things and come to take action. We haven't really

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seen a lot of action from Richie. He's just kind of going with the flow. He still has her living

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in a secret apartment. His family still is wondering who is this American lady he brought

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over here for no reason. Like there's no action there. But before we could even get to that

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important step in their relationship, we find out that Jen's visa is not the visa that she thought

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it was. So it is a tourist visa, but it is a single entry visa. And the entry that she used to get

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into India from Oklahoma is already used. So even though she needs to leave every 30 days,

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she can't come back. She has to go home and apply for another visa, which is a tourist

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feature, which takes time, like months up to a year, actually, if they have backlog to get approved

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for. And she needs to know when they would be able to get married in order to apply for an extension.

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And Richie can't even give her a date on when he can tell his parents. So setting a marriage date,

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a wedding date, kind of seems outrageously out of out of the picture because he can't even tell her

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when he's comfortable enough to tell his mom when he's ready to take that step. So is this the

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universe's way of telling Jen this isn't going to work and she needs to find somebody else? What do

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you think? Honestly, Jen is very smart. Like she, I feel like on like a lot of seasons, we don't see

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people kind of catching up on the red flags and she's seeing them for what they are. And she's

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like, I don't know if I believe you. Like everything you're saying is a little sus. But let me still

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see if you're going to be normal. So I do love that about her. But Richie, like you need to get it

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together, dude, like this beautiful lady is here. She's got her shit together. Like just get yours

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together too. But and then there's the obstacle of her not even being able to stay. And she's like,

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I don't even know if I can marry him in 30 days. I mean, that is the smartest thing that she's ever

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said. Because if they just decided to rush this wedding and get married in 30 days, who knows what's

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going to happen? His family doesn't even know that they're engaged. They've been engaged for how long

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now? Like come on. Exactly. He needs to stop playing Mr. Swab, you know, and he's so slick with

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his words because he's not Jen can see through it. And so can we. So he needs to get it together and

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decide what he wants to because now they have this, you know, this huge issue that she's going to

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have to leave. Are they going to introduce her to the family as his fiance now so that they can go

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back and apply for a K one? Like what are they going to do? Because now we like they need to make

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decisions really quick now because time's running out. It is it's running out and I don't see any

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sense of urgency from Richie. Like when she told him that he was just like, Oh, I hope that I don't

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lose you because of this situation. He had no no sense of resolution. He was like, Oh, well,

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we can do this. We can tell my family. No, he was just like, Well, I hope you'll be able to get a new

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visa. And it's like, Richie, this is the time that you need to take action and show her that all of

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the things that she's done for you are not in vain. And you're not even doing that. And we learn later

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in the season, he and his pictures girls, and that's something that we're going to have to address

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when we get more information on that. So Richie, shame on you, shame on you, you're engaged. You

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should not be sending shirtless pictures to anyone, especially not when you're engaged. All right,

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guys, we're out of time. We have to come back because we have to talk about some things with Gabe

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and Isabel and some information about them that made us realize it's not all butterflies and rainbows

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in their relationship. All right, I'm George Massey. Make sure you find me on all social media

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