What is up everybody? I am George Mossey. Please say hello to my co-host, Sharona. This is the
90-day fiance season 4, episode 7, a podcast recap. On the George Masi show, we have a lot
to talk about. Everybody was present minus Danielle and Johann, who we're going to have
to wait and see what's going on with their marriage next week. We'll praise them on the
preview. Johann is doing some things that Danielle doesn't like, and they're questioning their
love, which we kind of assumed as much all season. But I do want to talk about Debbie
and Osama, because all season we've been getting tiny, tiny snippets of Debbie and Osama. Nothing
where we can get any kind of idea of what's going on. But this week, we got an interaction
between Debbie and Osama that kind of shocked all of us, because Debbie packed up her life.
She told both of her kids, Julian and Sandy, that she was moving to Morocco. She was marrying Osama,
and all of this was etched in stone. This was her story of what was going to go on, and
she was pretty sure that that was what was going to take place. And before they could even get to
Rabat, which is a city in Morocco where they were going to be staying in this beautiful hotel
called the House of Flowers. We'll talk about that later. She found out that Osama wants her to become
half of a Moroccan wife. Now, I don't know what that even means, but in his actual explanation,
he wants her to cook for him, clean for him, and do things that a wife would do. Now, the first
thing that came to my mind was, if Osama doesn't work, because that gets in the way of his creativity,
why would he need his wife to cook and clean for him? Couldn't he do that for the both of them?
Because neither of them would be working. So I was like, that is a really interesting thing. And
then not only that, he wants Debbie to move in with his parents on the farm for two months,
which I can't imagine how that situation is going to play out. Your 67-year-old girlfriend,
because it's girlfriend, right? Are they even engaged? I know he asked her to marry him over
like social media, but when she got there in person, which wasn't the first time either,
by the way, we have to talk about that too, he's acting as though they don't know each other.
And that was really shocking to me, because after three years and a few trips over to Morocco,
he was treating Debbie like he had no clue who she was. And Debbie was like a year ago,
prior to this visit, he was trying to get her to go to the embassy and get paperwork and marry him.
So now that she has returned to Morocco, she is trying to figure out what changed. And I don't
understand. I don't understand either, because if he wanted to marry her a year ago, what would be
different now? Because they've actually gotten to know each other even more. It's a whole another
year under their belt and a relationship. But Debbie is now realizing that Osama is a liar.
He has told her what she wanted to hear to get her there. And he even admitted it. He said,
if I would have told you the truth that we weren't going to get married and you were probably going
to go back to the US after two months, you never would have came. So I want to put Debbie back on
the next flight back to Georgia. And I want her back home safe, because at this point, I feel like
Debbie is in danger. Yeah, like, okay, what was he meaning when he's like us in reality? Like you
said, they have met each other before they've been together. It's not like how anyone else is just
like online, like, like Chris and Jamie, you know, like they just met. That's different. And they're
even they're getting married, you know? So it's like, what's the holdup? Why is he acting like he
doesn't know her now? Like he just brings her here, lies to her, but wanted to marry her the time
before doesn't want to marry her now. Like, I'm so confused what is going to happen. Like,
I would run for the hills. Like you said, let's protect Debbie at all costs, Debbie,
let's bring you back. You need to come back to Georgia because I don't know about this anymore.
So what is his end game? Because Debbie has told us, I know we don't know if we can verify it or
not that she's never gave him any money. So I was wondering, like, what does he want from her? If
it's not money, and now he doesn't want to marry her, what is his end game? What is the whole point
of stringing Debbie along for three years? And what seems to be a relationship that he has no
interest in continuing? Because now that she's ready and willing to marry him and ready to take
this step, he's not interested. And she's ready to get in an apartment with him and help pay bills
and even consider being half of a Moroccan wife. And let's let's throw in there that wine isn't
allowed. So she's even willing to give up wine for this man, which that's a lot, right? Like,
there are some people that I can tolerate, but I need a lot of alcohol to do that. So the idea
that she's willing to do that, and he's not reciprocating that, what is his end game? What
does he want from her? Honestly, I really would like to know. And it's like, she's going to move
in with him and his family. She needs wine. I would need wine. You can't just go live with
someone's family. And like you said, you're gonna have to tolerate these people. And she's going
to have to be like a half of a Moroccan wife, which I mean, we need clarification on what the
hell that even means, because that makes no sense. But what does he want with our girl? Does he want
the money? We just don't know it yet. Like, has she given him gifts that he's expecting more of?
Like, he's really acting like this is the very first time they've ever seen each other.
And Debbie, like, I she's heartbroken. She's absolutely heartbroken, but anyone would be
heartbroken. Because that's insane. It's like she said, I gave you three years. What do you mean
that you want me to come here for two months? Go home like this is a trial. Like you've already
done the trial. That's why she's back. I don't know what he wants. It's honestly mind blowing.
It's so confusing. I was just like screaming at the TV like, what do you want, sir? What do you want?
Like nobody knows. I don't even think he knows. I think he does. We just don't know. I feel like
he has a plan. We're just not devious enough to figure it out. And that's the problem. I bet Officer
Julian could probably explain it better. Right, Julian, what does he want with your mom? We want to
know. All right, so Jamie and Chris, right? So it's actually time for Chris to meet Jamie's friends,
her two besties, Alex and Leo. And they've been planning this because they're going to do her
makeup for the wedding. So they want to meet her, see who their subject will be, and get to know
her because it's important that they get along because Jamie said that these are basically the
only two friends that she has, right? So their approval is important. She wanted them to meet
Chris, but Chris is actually lying in bed in terrible, terrible pain, unable to even move.
The injection that the doctor gave her for this neck pain didn't work. That is just how
excruciating and chronic this pain is. And it's looking as though the surgery is going to be
the only relief. But Leo and Alex are feeling a little bit like this is a huge red flag because
they were there when Chris decided to ghost Jamie on her birthday for a month. So they were like,
the day before your wedding, she all of a sudden has to go back to Alabama to go to court. This is
very peculiar. They're like, do you think that she maybe has cold feet? She's not ready to commit.
She wants to retreat the situation. And Jamie is like, well, she is here and we do love each other
and we did move past that. And her friends are just like, notice the signs in front of you. Like
they want to be supportive, but they also want to make sure that she's not going to get stood up
or hurt. And it is a very interesting situation. It's like nothing about this bike, nothing about
this case. And then right before it's time for them to get married, she has to go back. And it is a
very peculiar situation. And the idea that she has ghosted her in the past, it does make you wonder
because she's like, if she gets on that plane and goes back to Alabama, she doesn't ever have to pick
up my calls again. She doesn't ever have to answer a FaceTime or text. She could just ghost me and
be gone and never come back, which would be crazy because she literally moved Jamie into an apartment
where Jamie had her own place. And she really up uprooted her life to be with Chris. So if that
was to happen, that would be crazy, but it's not off brand, right? Based on what we've seen from
Chris in the past. Yeah, that's the part that gets me. It's like you said, it's not off brand for her
to ghost and have all these crazy things happen, all these crazy stories. So I see where her friends
are coming from because they're real friends, obviously, if they weren't real friends, they
wouldn't be concerned. So anyway, friends and be concerned, especially when they were the ones
picking up the pieces, when Chris ghosted her, so I get where they're coming from. But we want to
believe, you know, that she would not fake, first of all, an illness. I mean, you don't want someone
to pretend that they're in so much pain and not meet your friends, because that would be terrible.
And we also don't, you know, we don't want to think she's a liar. But like, it's weird that the
case never came up till now. You think that they would have talked about that if that's the money
that Chris said she was bringing with her to Columbia to make a better life for her and Jamie.
So I just don't really understand what's going on here. So it's so hard. Like I was rocking my
brain around this too. I feel like there's so many surprises in this episode. Like, what's, what's
the real underlying thing? Like, is she going to get married and then leave and then ghost her?
Is she going to come back? Is she going to get like, what's going to happen?
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering too, because once she marries her, it's like she kind of has to
come back. But again, marriages don't really stand through countries. So it's like she could marry her
over there and still be single over here. So she doesn't technically have to go back. So it's still
in the back of Jamie's mind. Like, does she really love me? Does she really want to commit to me?
Would she come back after that by choice because she doesn't have to? Or could she go over there
and just ghost again? And I understand those, those doubts because when someone has done something so
horrible to you, like ghost you on your birthday for a whole month, like that's just something
that I would never recover from. So I physically and emotionally understand where those doubts are
coming from. Yeah, I definitely see that. All right, I want to talk about Jen and Richie. So
there was a couple of things that came up. So Jen and Richie were talking about living together
as a family. And Jen actually asked Richie about that and said, if it's a deal breaker for them,
maybe that they shouldn't proceed. And Richie was like, you know what, I would live separately from
my family if that would really make you happy. And when I heard him say that, and then Jen was like,
I don't know if I believe you. I was like, see, Jen, I feel that because he always seems to just
say whatever sounds like the right thing to say in that moment. But then there's no actual action.
Like he's like, oh, I'm going to tell my family about you and I'm going to tell them we're engaged,
we're going to all get along, we're going to do these things. And he's like always making plans,
but there is no action. So I'm like, Jen, I'm happy to see her questioning
and tendons because it's easy to say the right things and come to take action. We haven't really
seen a lot of action from Richie. He's just kind of going with the flow. He still has her living
in a secret apartment. His family still is wondering who is this American lady he brought
over here for no reason. Like there's no action there. But before we could even get to that
important step in their relationship, we find out that Jen's visa is not the visa that she thought
it was. So it is a tourist visa, but it is a single entry visa. And the entry that she used to get
into India from Oklahoma is already used. So even though she needs to leave every 30 days,
she can't come back. She has to go home and apply for another visa, which is a tourist
feature, which takes time, like months up to a year, actually, if they have backlog to get approved
for. And she needs to know when they would be able to get married in order to apply for an extension.
And Richie can't even give her a date on when he can tell his parents. So setting a marriage date,
a wedding date, kind of seems outrageously out of out of the picture because he can't even tell her
when he's comfortable enough to tell his mom when he's ready to take that step. So is this the
universe's way of telling Jen this isn't going to work and she needs to find somebody else? What do
you think? Honestly, Jen is very smart. Like she, I feel like on like a lot of seasons, we don't see
people kind of catching up on the red flags and she's seeing them for what they are. And she's
like, I don't know if I believe you. Like everything you're saying is a little sus. But let me still
see if you're going to be normal. So I do love that about her. But Richie, like you need to get it
together, dude, like this beautiful lady is here. She's got her shit together. Like just get yours
together too. But and then there's the obstacle of her not even being able to stay. And she's like,
I don't even know if I can marry him in 30 days. I mean, that is the smartest thing that she's ever
said. Because if they just decided to rush this wedding and get married in 30 days, who knows what's
going to happen? His family doesn't even know that they're engaged. They've been engaged for how long
now? Like come on. Exactly. He needs to stop playing Mr. Swab, you know, and he's so slick with
his words because he's not Jen can see through it. And so can we. So he needs to get it together and
decide what he wants to because now they have this, you know, this huge issue that she's going to
have to leave. Are they going to introduce her to the family as his fiance now so that they can go
back and apply for a K one? Like what are they going to do? Because now we like they need to make
decisions really quick now because time's running out. It is it's running out and I don't see any
sense of urgency from Richie. Like when she told him that he was just like, Oh, I hope that I don't
lose you because of this situation. He had no no sense of resolution. He was like, Oh, well,
we can do this. We can tell my family. No, he was just like, Well, I hope you'll be able to get a new
visa. And it's like, Richie, this is the time that you need to take action and show her that all of
the things that she's done for you are not in vain. And you're not even doing that. And we learn later
in the season, he and his pictures girls, and that's something that we're going to have to address
when we get more information on that. So Richie, shame on you, shame on you, you're engaged. You
should not be sending shirtless pictures to anyone, especially not when you're engaged. All right,
guys, we're out of time. We have to come back because we have to talk about some things with Gabe
and Isabel and some information about them that made us realize it's not all butterflies and rainbows
in their relationship. All right, I'm George Massey. Make sure you find me on all social media
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