1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,760 What is up everybody? I am George Masi. Please say hello to my co-host, Sharona. This is the 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:13,120 90 Day Fiancé The Other Way Season 4 Episode 6 podcast. Everybody was on this episode, 3 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:16,720 George Masi's show by the way. So we have a lot to talk about. I want to start off 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:22,240 with Jen and Rishi because we were watching Jen after she found out that Rishi's family is actively 5 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:27,440 looking to set him up in an arranged marriage. She met with her friend, Deer, who is a fitness 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,440 instructor who Twitter thinks that she should be in a relationship with. Because they were like, 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,840 we've met him for like three minutes and we feel like he's more compatible with her 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:41,520 than Rishi is. I don't want to go that far but he did kind of understand where Jen was coming 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,680 from, right? Because he was like, I remember this guy and I do remember you having issues and you 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,320 crying. And he was like, I feel like your heart's telling you to stay but your mind is telling you 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:55,600 to get the heck out of India. And she's like, so you get me. And it's like, he gets her. Why can't 12 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,400 Rishi get her? Because Rishi is just like, oh, he has an excuse for everything. Because she's like, 13 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,880 so you think that your parents 100% would accept me because they're open minded but you don't want 14 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,360 them to know I exist. You don't want them to know I'm here. You don't want them to know we're engaged. 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,680 And it's like, I feel like Rishi always has a trick up his sleeve. It's like he's some sort of 16 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,800 jouster, right? He has all these tricks and he smooth talks her. And even to the point now, 17 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,320 I don't even believe him half the time. When she asked him these questions, she's like, 18 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:26,560 I got to get answers out of Rishi. I got to get answers. And she gets the answers. And it's like 19 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:32,240 they're not even believable anymore at this point. And I'm trying to understand what his in-game is 20 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:38,160 because they're engaged. He has her living in a hidden apartment secretly. But the actual task at 21 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:45,440 hand is to get his family to accept her so she can move in and become a wife, Indian wife. And 22 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,480 they have duties. So we were kind of learning about these Indian wife duties. So she would have to be 23 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:55,280 a person that serves the family, especially the men, but the women as well. And she would have to 24 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,720 respect the elders, serve the elders. And she has to do all these tasks. So I don't know because Jen 25 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:06,720 is independent and Jen has been traveling the world and she's just always been with Jen. She's 26 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,040 an independent woman. She works for her own. She does her own thing. She takes care of herself. 27 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:17,040 Is it in her nature to wait on his mom and sister and sister-in-laws and wake up at four in the 28 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:23,040 morning and make tea for them? Like is this in Jen's nature? Absolutely not. When I saw that I was 29 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,040 like, oh, hell no. And then when he said that she would have to move in with his family, I was like, 30 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,480 all right, you got Jen effed up because I don't see that happening. She's living her life in her 31 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:38,320 apartment. She has toilet paper now. She even got some coffee. I do not see her doing that. Like when 32 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:45,760 they were showing her what to do, I was like, oh no, because she's very independent and she's never 33 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:52,560 had to wait hand on foot on anybody. So I don't see that happening. Like if that was me, because I 34 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:58,640 feel like I'm just as independent as she is, I do as much as I can on my own. So if someone did that 35 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:03,200 to me, I'd be like, all right, where's my ticket? I'm going back. This is not what I signed up for. 36 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:11,520 But I don't know. The first guy, her friend. Dear, yeah, dear, right? I don't think they would 37 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:17,920 make a great couple. Well, when they showed him, I was like, wait a minute, you know how Rishi 38 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:23,120 probably has a plan B somewhere that we don't know about? Is this is is dear Jen's plan B? Right? 39 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,800 Like is she not just moving there just for Rishi? Like if things don't work out with Rishi, is 40 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:31,440 something possibly going to work out with dear? Like has she been in communication with him? 41 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,280 Because I know it had been, I think two years since she saw him, but they seem to be still 42 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:41,280 picking up where they left off. So maybe Jen is just as smart as Rishi, and we just didn't see it 43 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,200 at first. Like maybe she's like, okay, well, if things do work out with him, that's great. But 44 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,560 if they don't work out with him, I have this going on with this guy here. And that guy definitely 45 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,360 understands more. He's like, I would have told my family about you. I would have put you first. 46 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,600 I would have told them years ago, like he definitely understands the situation. So I don't 47 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,160 know. I want Jen and Rishi to be together. But if it doesn't work out, you know, Jen could possibly 48 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:10,560 have a life waiting for her in India already with this fitness trainer. And I know she's definitely 49 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,040 into fitness. You know, so I was like, I see more in common here. So I'm just going to have to see 50 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,760 where this goes. Yeah, we will definitely have to see what happens. But yeah, I really liked what he 51 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:25,120 was saying. He seemed very genuine. Like you said, Rishi always has something to say to make something 52 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:32,880 sound better for himself. I don't like it. I don't like it. So we watched Nicole on her third day 53 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,680 in Egypt. She was struggling. We watched her. She couldn't really light the stove. Now, 54 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,080 I don't know. I've never lit a stove before. So I'm not going to like hold that against her. Because 55 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,520 first of all, that's that her hand was really close to where the fire was. So I didn't feel 56 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,720 comfortable anyway. But she's really having trouble adjusting to that life there because she's 57 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,760 lonely. She's an LA girl. So LA girls, they have a lot of friends. There's always something to do 58 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,320 in the LA nightlife. There's always something sociable that you would be doing. So leaving 59 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:06,000 that lifestyle and going over to Egypt is really hitting her hard. And she kind of feels like no 60 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,480 one really understands because Mahmood doesn't understand because wives aren't supposed to be 61 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,680 out and being sociable and having friends and doing those type of things. They're supposed to be doing 62 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:21,600 kind of what the rules say for them to do. And Nicole kind of felt like, I'm going to fly over to 63 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:28,320 Egypt. And I'm going to ask Mahmood and the entire country to change their culture and change their 64 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:34,960 religion and change the gabs and change the way that women dress. Just so me, Nicole, an American, 65 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:41,280 can feel more comfortable while in Egypt. And I was like, Nicole, Mahmood had nothing to do with 66 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:48,400 the laws of the country. He had nothing to do with the gabs and the way women dress and the fact that 67 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,840 some women aren't allowed in certain parts of the town and men don't congregate with women that 68 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:57,680 aren't their wives. He didn't have anything to do with that. So when she says like, you don't want 69 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,160 to compromise with me, you won't change for me, you won't see my point of view. It's not that he 70 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:07,920 doesn't want to. It's just it doesn't exist in his culture. It's like saying, I want you to change 71 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,880 everything about you and everything about the people that don't even know me in the land that 72 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:18,240 you live so I can feel more comfortable. And I'm like, Nicole, that's asking too much. Compromise 73 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,600 is like saying, I want you to stop snoring so maybe you could get a sleeping machine or whatever. 74 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,160 Like that's a compromise. Asking him to change the entire country where he lives and the way that 75 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,760 they live, that's not a compromise. That's literally crazy, right? That's crazy. I can't stop laughing. 76 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:41,360 I'm sorry. I was watching that. It was just like, oh my gosh. Like, does she not understand other 77 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:47,680 cultures? Like, you've been there before, you hated it, you hated what the country was about, 78 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:52,400 you're still married to this guy, you were getting a divorce. And now you want to go there and be 79 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:58,560 like a social justice warrior for women when that's not how it works in that country. Oh my 80 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:04,160 God. That would be like all of the people from other countries coming here and trying to change 81 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:10,080 America around. Everyone would be like, are you crazy? Like you can't just be like, 82 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:15,200 I you need to change your whole country and your religion just for me. Okay. For me. 83 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:22,160 I can't do this. So don't be with him. They don't like it. It doesn't even seem like they like 84 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,640 each other. They don't even want to be in the same room. Like just get the divorce. This should 85 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:32,560 just be like the final straw. Just you got to get, I mean, I would love to see you guys be happy, 86 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:39,600 but you're not. Not even a little. Yeah, no, there's no, I said she got there. She's been crying. 87 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,520 She's upset. She doesn't want to be wearing the hijab. She doesn't want to do anything, 88 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:50,640 but it's like you are in this country. You can die. Like I think women will, they're more like, 89 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,960 I know in some countries it's like women are more of a property than they are a person. 90 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,360 Like you are his wife and you listen to what he says. You've already converted to being a Muslim. 91 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,680 So you knew what came with that. I can't help this girl. She's, she's got to go back to LA. 92 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,200 I don't know what she's doing, but what she's trying to do is not going to work. 93 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,360 It's not. And when I saw her packing her clothes, I was like, this is the first thing that I've seen 94 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,960 Nicole do accurately since she's arrived in Egypt. Like pack your stuff, girl, get back to LA. 95 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,840 This isn't for you. And I know it sucks. It hurts knowing that she went there and she wanted it to 96 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,320 work. But the idea of compromising on culture and religion, especially in one of those countries 97 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,720 where culture and religion come above family and everything, you know, it comes above everything. 98 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:37,440 It's like you want to change for people and you want people to change for you. But it's like at 99 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,800 the same time, that's not something that he's going, it's not even something he's allowed to change. 100 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,840 Like if he was to go to his uncle's house, because they were going to go to his uncle's home, 101 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:51,600 who owns a clothing factory to get advice about her opening accompanies where she could make, 102 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,920 she wanted to make clothes that were culturally appropriate, but also stylish. 103 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,680 But in order for that to happen, she needed to put on a hegab because if she was to go to his 104 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:03,840 uncle's house without one on, that would be considered disrespect. And she didn't even 105 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,680 understand that. She's like, well, I told you, I'm never going to wear a hegab ever again. And 106 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:15,360 I'm like, you are in Egypt and you are a Muslim, you converted. It's not an option. Like they didn't 107 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:22,160 say, do you want to become a Muslim? Which check off these boxes, which one of these items of our 108 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:28,000 religion you're going to do and then put an X on the ones that no, it's all or nothing. Literally 109 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:35,760 all or nothing, Nicole, you have to do this. Yeah, that was, oh my God, it was cringey. And it 110 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:42,720 honestly like, it's disrespectful to the culture. Yeah, like no matter how you swing it, you might 111 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:48,800 not like it, but you're disrespecting the culture that you came into. You chose to convert to and 112 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:57,040 come to and marry a man in it. I can't help you, girl. We can. Hands are washed of this, Nicole. 113 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,560 Get on that plane. Come back to LA. We want you back here. We want that peace, that inner peace 114 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:07,360 for you. It's in LA. It's waiting for you. So I want to talk about Gabe and Isabelle real quick, 115 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:12,880 because Gabe told us about a consultation that he had in Florida where a doctor didn't believe that 116 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,680 he was trans and he actually had to prove to the doctor that he was trans. And Gabe was like, 117 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:22,960 why would I fake that? Why would I ask you to do a surgery on me and I'm lying to you? Like, 118 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,520 what would he benefit? And it made no sense to me. And I need people to stop the hate and stop 119 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:32,800 the discrimination right now. Like trans people exist. And whether you like it or not, you need 120 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,720 to treat them with respect. And if they come into a doctor's office and they need a consultation, 121 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,200 that's exactly what you give them. Stop asking questions. It's none of your business. Check out 122 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,360 their medical history. And then that's it. You don't get to go deep and pry into them and make 123 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:50,400 them feel bad about the situation that they're in. I hated that. And hearing it really bothered me. 124 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,800 So the idea that he got this consultation in Columbia and things went a little better, 125 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,760 there was more respect, there was more understanding. I'm just so happy for that. And it's a lot cheaper 126 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:05,440 in Columbia, by the way. It was only $3,000 for this surgery. And I was like, oh my gosh, 127 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,400 in America, that would easily be like $15,000 or $20,000. And I was like, I love this for Gabe. 128 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:16,160 But you know, Gabe is scared because when he was telling us about the complications that he had 129 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,160 from his three bottom surgeries, by the way, three of them because of complications and the 130 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,720 closed urethra and the scarring, the horrible scarring that he had to go through just so he 131 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,840 can be who he is. It just broke my heart. So I want him to get this surgery because I want him 132 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:35,200 to feel good about himself. But at the same time, it's so hard for this decision because he's 133 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:41,360 scared of complications and he's even more scared of the idea of those horrible scars. And he already 134 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,160 feels insecure about that. So it's like, I want him to think long and hard about it because 135 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,360 Isabel said, she's like, I love you just the way you are. You're perfect just the way you are. 136 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,880 If you want to do it, I support you. But I think you look amazing. Honestly, 137 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,640 I think he looks amazing too. But it's not about me. It's not about how I feel or what I think. 138 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:02,960 It's about how Gabe feels inside. Yeah, definitely. It's, I was like you said, my heart was so full 139 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:09,200 of joy when that doctor just took everything he was saying and just acted. I mean, he's a normal 140 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,440 person and the doctor treated him normal. And the fact that someone in Florida, which is really 141 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:19,200 sad that you're in the United States and people are disgusting, like, ew, what the, what the, oh, 142 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:25,760 like I just made me happy that the doctor was just so professional and was so willing to like 143 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:32,000 show Gabe everything that he could do for him to do what he could do. It was very like, you know, 144 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,480 it was just so professional. And it's so sad that in the United States that we're still dealing with 145 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:42,880 that and that Gabe's in Columbia and the doctor there is just, okay, let's talk about it. You 146 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:48,400 know, like that made me so happy. But yeah, Gabe needs to do what's right for Gabe, regardless of 147 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:54,400 what anyone thinks. Because Gabe looks amazing. Like he's amazing. And the fact that Isabel just 148 00:12:54,400 --> 00:13:00,720 like truly loves him for every part of him. Like that's some, that's some true love. And honestly, 149 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,880 that just made me so happy. I love them together. I feel like this season so far, they're the couple 150 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:12,080 that has it together the most. They're the most in love. And I love that Isabel finally got to 151 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:18,400 have that conversation with him. It was uncomfortable. But she asked the conversation about the parts 152 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,560 and how they work and everything. Because I feel like that's so important. I feel like relationships 153 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:27,840 are so based on communication and understanding. And I know it's going to be a hard conversation, 154 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,480 but I loved how it was funny. And they made, they made it fun. And I was just like, see now, 155 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,880 I feel like they're connecting on an even deeper level. And she understands Gabe even more. 156 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,440 And I just love the fact that they have such a strong connection. And I feel like if anybody's 157 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,880 gone make it this season, it's going to be now, right? Oh, absolutely. I have no nothing in my 158 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:53,040 mind thinking that anything bad will happen. I feel the same way. I'm worried about the business. 159 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,720 Because I know moving the business to Columbia is going to be hard, but their relationship, 160 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:02,240 no worries. I feel like they're going to be fine. And him telling the family, I think it's 161 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,560 probably not going to be as big of an issue as he's making it. And as Isabel is making it, 162 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:09,760 I feel like it's not going to be that big of a deal. All right, guys, we ran out of time. We're 163 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:15,280 going to come back. We have to talk about Chris and Jamie, Debbie and Osama, and Daniel and Johan. 164 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,120 And there's a lot to talk about for all three of those. So all right, guys, I'm George Massey. 165 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,400 Make sure you're following all social media platforms at GeorgeMassey. GeorgeMassey.com 166 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,880 and anywhere you get your podcast. And make sure you're following my co-host, 167 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,480 Sharona, too. Her links are right here at the bottom. We will talk to all of you guys really soon.