What is up everybody? I am George Masi. Please say hello to my co-host, Sharona. This is the
90 Day Fiancé The Other Way Season 4 Episode 6 podcast. Everybody was on this episode,
George Masi's show by the way. So we have a lot to talk about. I want to start off
with Jen and Rishi because we were watching Jen after she found out that Rishi's family is actively
looking to set him up in an arranged marriage. She met with her friend, Deer, who is a fitness
instructor who Twitter thinks that she should be in a relationship with. Because they were like,
we've met him for like three minutes and we feel like he's more compatible with her
than Rishi is. I don't want to go that far but he did kind of understand where Jen was coming
from, right? Because he was like, I remember this guy and I do remember you having issues and you
crying. And he was like, I feel like your heart's telling you to stay but your mind is telling you
to get the heck out of India. And she's like, so you get me. And it's like, he gets her. Why can't
Rishi get her? Because Rishi is just like, oh, he has an excuse for everything. Because she's like,
so you think that your parents 100% would accept me because they're open minded but you don't want
them to know I exist. You don't want them to know I'm here. You don't want them to know we're engaged.
And it's like, I feel like Rishi always has a trick up his sleeve. It's like he's some sort of
jouster, right? He has all these tricks and he smooth talks her. And even to the point now,
I don't even believe him half the time. When she asked him these questions, she's like,
I got to get answers out of Rishi. I got to get answers. And she gets the answers. And it's like
they're not even believable anymore at this point. And I'm trying to understand what his in-game is
because they're engaged. He has her living in a hidden apartment secretly. But the actual task at
hand is to get his family to accept her so she can move in and become a wife, Indian wife. And
they have duties. So we were kind of learning about these Indian wife duties. So she would have to be
a person that serves the family, especially the men, but the women as well. And she would have to
respect the elders, serve the elders. And she has to do all these tasks. So I don't know because Jen
is independent and Jen has been traveling the world and she's just always been with Jen. She's
an independent woman. She works for her own. She does her own thing. She takes care of herself.
Is it in her nature to wait on his mom and sister and sister-in-laws and wake up at four in the
morning and make tea for them? Like is this in Jen's nature? Absolutely not. When I saw that I was
like, oh, hell no. And then when he said that she would have to move in with his family, I was like,
all right, you got Jen effed up because I don't see that happening. She's living her life in her
apartment. She has toilet paper now. She even got some coffee. I do not see her doing that. Like when
they were showing her what to do, I was like, oh no, because she's very independent and she's never
had to wait hand on foot on anybody. So I don't see that happening. Like if that was me, because I
feel like I'm just as independent as she is, I do as much as I can on my own. So if someone did that
to me, I'd be like, all right, where's my ticket? I'm going back. This is not what I signed up for.
But I don't know. The first guy, her friend. Dear, yeah, dear, right? I don't think they would
make a great couple. Well, when they showed him, I was like, wait a minute, you know how Rishi
probably has a plan B somewhere that we don't know about? Is this is is dear Jen's plan B? Right?
Like is she not just moving there just for Rishi? Like if things don't work out with Rishi, is
something possibly going to work out with dear? Like has she been in communication with him?
Because I know it had been, I think two years since she saw him, but they seem to be still
picking up where they left off. So maybe Jen is just as smart as Rishi, and we just didn't see it
at first. Like maybe she's like, okay, well, if things do work out with him, that's great. But
if they don't work out with him, I have this going on with this guy here. And that guy definitely
understands more. He's like, I would have told my family about you. I would have put you first.
I would have told them years ago, like he definitely understands the situation. So I don't
know. I want Jen and Rishi to be together. But if it doesn't work out, you know, Jen could possibly
have a life waiting for her in India already with this fitness trainer. And I know she's definitely
into fitness. You know, so I was like, I see more in common here. So I'm just going to have to see
where this goes. Yeah, we will definitely have to see what happens. But yeah, I really liked what he
was saying. He seemed very genuine. Like you said, Rishi always has something to say to make something
sound better for himself. I don't like it. I don't like it. So we watched Nicole on her third day
in Egypt. She was struggling. We watched her. She couldn't really light the stove. Now,
I don't know. I've never lit a stove before. So I'm not going to like hold that against her. Because
first of all, that's that her hand was really close to where the fire was. So I didn't feel
comfortable anyway. But she's really having trouble adjusting to that life there because she's
lonely. She's an LA girl. So LA girls, they have a lot of friends. There's always something to do
in the LA nightlife. There's always something sociable that you would be doing. So leaving
that lifestyle and going over to Egypt is really hitting her hard. And she kind of feels like no
one really understands because Mahmood doesn't understand because wives aren't supposed to be
out and being sociable and having friends and doing those type of things. They're supposed to be doing
kind of what the rules say for them to do. And Nicole kind of felt like, I'm going to fly over to
Egypt. And I'm going to ask Mahmood and the entire country to change their culture and change their
religion and change the gabs and change the way that women dress. Just so me, Nicole, an American,
can feel more comfortable while in Egypt. And I was like, Nicole, Mahmood had nothing to do with
the laws of the country. He had nothing to do with the gabs and the way women dress and the fact that
some women aren't allowed in certain parts of the town and men don't congregate with women that
aren't their wives. He didn't have anything to do with that. So when she says like, you don't want
to compromise with me, you won't change for me, you won't see my point of view. It's not that he
doesn't want to. It's just it doesn't exist in his culture. It's like saying, I want you to change
everything about you and everything about the people that don't even know me in the land that
you live so I can feel more comfortable. And I'm like, Nicole, that's asking too much. Compromise
is like saying, I want you to stop snoring so maybe you could get a sleeping machine or whatever.
Like that's a compromise. Asking him to change the entire country where he lives and the way that
they live, that's not a compromise. That's literally crazy, right? That's crazy. I can't stop laughing.
I'm sorry. I was watching that. It was just like, oh my gosh. Like, does she not understand other
cultures? Like, you've been there before, you hated it, you hated what the country was about,
you're still married to this guy, you were getting a divorce. And now you want to go there and be
like a social justice warrior for women when that's not how it works in that country. Oh my
God. That would be like all of the people from other countries coming here and trying to change
America around. Everyone would be like, are you crazy? Like you can't just be like,
I you need to change your whole country and your religion just for me. Okay. For me.
I can't do this. So don't be with him. They don't like it. It doesn't even seem like they like
each other. They don't even want to be in the same room. Like just get the divorce. This should
just be like the final straw. Just you got to get, I mean, I would love to see you guys be happy,
but you're not. Not even a little. Yeah, no, there's no, I said she got there. She's been crying.
She's upset. She doesn't want to be wearing the hijab. She doesn't want to do anything,
but it's like you are in this country. You can die. Like I think women will, they're more like,
I know in some countries it's like women are more of a property than they are a person.
Like you are his wife and you listen to what he says. You've already converted to being a Muslim.
So you knew what came with that. I can't help this girl. She's, she's got to go back to LA.
I don't know what she's doing, but what she's trying to do is not going to work.
It's not. And when I saw her packing her clothes, I was like, this is the first thing that I've seen
Nicole do accurately since she's arrived in Egypt. Like pack your stuff, girl, get back to LA.
This isn't for you. And I know it sucks. It hurts knowing that she went there and she wanted it to
work. But the idea of compromising on culture and religion, especially in one of those countries
where culture and religion come above family and everything, you know, it comes above everything.
It's like you want to change for people and you want people to change for you. But it's like at
the same time, that's not something that he's going, it's not even something he's allowed to change.
Like if he was to go to his uncle's house, because they were going to go to his uncle's home,
who owns a clothing factory to get advice about her opening accompanies where she could make,
she wanted to make clothes that were culturally appropriate, but also stylish.
But in order for that to happen, she needed to put on a hegab because if she was to go to his
uncle's house without one on, that would be considered disrespect. And she didn't even
understand that. She's like, well, I told you, I'm never going to wear a hegab ever again. And
I'm like, you are in Egypt and you are a Muslim, you converted. It's not an option. Like they didn't
say, do you want to become a Muslim? Which check off these boxes, which one of these items of our
religion you're going to do and then put an X on the ones that no, it's all or nothing. Literally
all or nothing, Nicole, you have to do this. Yeah, that was, oh my God, it was cringey. And it
honestly like, it's disrespectful to the culture. Yeah, like no matter how you swing it, you might
not like it, but you're disrespecting the culture that you came into. You chose to convert to and
come to and marry a man in it. I can't help you, girl. We can. Hands are washed of this, Nicole.
Get on that plane. Come back to LA. We want you back here. We want that peace, that inner peace
for you. It's in LA. It's waiting for you. So I want to talk about Gabe and Isabelle real quick,
because Gabe told us about a consultation that he had in Florida where a doctor didn't believe that
he was trans and he actually had to prove to the doctor that he was trans. And Gabe was like,
why would I fake that? Why would I ask you to do a surgery on me and I'm lying to you? Like,
what would he benefit? And it made no sense to me. And I need people to stop the hate and stop
the discrimination right now. Like trans people exist. And whether you like it or not, you need
to treat them with respect. And if they come into a doctor's office and they need a consultation,
that's exactly what you give them. Stop asking questions. It's none of your business. Check out
their medical history. And then that's it. You don't get to go deep and pry into them and make
them feel bad about the situation that they're in. I hated that. And hearing it really bothered me.
So the idea that he got this consultation in Columbia and things went a little better,
there was more respect, there was more understanding. I'm just so happy for that. And it's a lot cheaper
in Columbia, by the way. It was only $3,000 for this surgery. And I was like, oh my gosh,
in America, that would easily be like $15,000 or $20,000. And I was like, I love this for Gabe.
But you know, Gabe is scared because when he was telling us about the complications that he had
from his three bottom surgeries, by the way, three of them because of complications and the
closed urethra and the scarring, the horrible scarring that he had to go through just so he
can be who he is. It just broke my heart. So I want him to get this surgery because I want him
to feel good about himself. But at the same time, it's so hard for this decision because he's
scared of complications and he's even more scared of the idea of those horrible scars. And he already
feels insecure about that. So it's like, I want him to think long and hard about it because
Isabel said, she's like, I love you just the way you are. You're perfect just the way you are.
If you want to do it, I support you. But I think you look amazing. Honestly,
I think he looks amazing too. But it's not about me. It's not about how I feel or what I think.
It's about how Gabe feels inside. Yeah, definitely. It's, I was like you said, my heart was so full
of joy when that doctor just took everything he was saying and just acted. I mean, he's a normal
person and the doctor treated him normal. And the fact that someone in Florida, which is really
sad that you're in the United States and people are disgusting, like, ew, what the, what the, oh,
like I just made me happy that the doctor was just so professional and was so willing to like
show Gabe everything that he could do for him to do what he could do. It was very like, you know,
it was just so professional. And it's so sad that in the United States that we're still dealing with
that and that Gabe's in Columbia and the doctor there is just, okay, let's talk about it. You
know, like that made me so happy. But yeah, Gabe needs to do what's right for Gabe, regardless of
what anyone thinks. Because Gabe looks amazing. Like he's amazing. And the fact that Isabel just
like truly loves him for every part of him. Like that's some, that's some true love. And honestly,
that just made me so happy. I love them together. I feel like this season so far, they're the couple
that has it together the most. They're the most in love. And I love that Isabel finally got to
have that conversation with him. It was uncomfortable. But she asked the conversation about the parts
and how they work and everything. Because I feel like that's so important. I feel like relationships
are so based on communication and understanding. And I know it's going to be a hard conversation,
but I loved how it was funny. And they made, they made it fun. And I was just like, see now,
I feel like they're connecting on an even deeper level. And she understands Gabe even more.
And I just love the fact that they have such a strong connection. And I feel like if anybody's
gone make it this season, it's going to be now, right? Oh, absolutely. I have no nothing in my
mind thinking that anything bad will happen. I feel the same way. I'm worried about the business.
Because I know moving the business to Columbia is going to be hard, but their relationship,
no worries. I feel like they're going to be fine. And him telling the family, I think it's
probably not going to be as big of an issue as he's making it. And as Isabel is making it,
I feel like it's not going to be that big of a deal. All right, guys, we ran out of time. We're
going to come back. We have to talk about Chris and Jamie, Debbie and Osama, and Daniel and Johan.
And there's a lot to talk about for all three of those. So all right, guys, I'm George Massey.
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