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What's up, everybody? It's George. I'm George

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Massey. It's the George Massey Show. I'm here

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with my bestie, Gina, and we're going to talk

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about some breaking news and some crazy things

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that have been happening lately in the world.

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And Gina, I was just talking to you about this.

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Gina, do you feel like, oh, this is the pop culture

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podcast, by the way, do you feel like lately?

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there's been a lot of people dying like every

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time i open my phone there's like an announcement

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of a death and i'm a little freaked out like

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you know usually celebrity deaths happen in threes

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but now i feel like they're happening in like

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eights now like what's going on i i don't know

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we we had touched base briefly on this uh and

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i don't know if it's just I don't know, I'm not

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that big of a religious person, but I do believe

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in signs type of thing. So maybe it's a good

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question to ask Juliana one day, like why? I

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believe that it's been proven, well not proven,

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but during this time of what they call Lent and

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Catholicism just before Easter, I find that a

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lot of people do pass away. But again, it could

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be just me reading into it too much, but that's

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what I believe. Like within a week or two, there's

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been like eight people to nine people that passed

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away in my like in the parish that I attend to

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sometimes when I want to go so and I was saying

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like one funeral was like last week one day my

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dad went today to one he's going tomorrow to

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another one so I don't know I don't know if it's

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like that time of year like The grid reaper is

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upon us. I don't know. I hate to laugh at it,

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but I like it's just it's just bizarre. Like

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it always happens like in multiples during this

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time, like just before Easter. So I don't know.

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I'm scared to open my phone because people have

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been passing away and it's been like shocker

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after shocker. And we're going to get into some

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some. talk of like celebrities, passings and

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things that follow it. But first, I want to ask

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you, um, because I know you had mentioned to

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me that you were unaware that James van der Beek

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had been suffering from I believe it was cancer.

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Look, look, okay. It was a few years ago when

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it was announced. Okay. For me, for the love

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of Jesus, I can't even remember what I did like

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three months ago. Then there was something that

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was announced and like basically there was no

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follow -up. Like I don't want to say TMZ didn't

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like report on his like well -being from time

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to time, but I didn't see anything of that sort

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of nature. until he passed away. So yeah, I'm

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insensitive for not knowing. But at the same

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time, like, it wasn't like a yearly thing would

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be like, like, hey, like TMZ or any news outlets

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reporting on, like the progression of the cancer

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or whatnot. I didn't see anything. If I saw anything,

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it would bring a trigger. Like, oh, right. Whoa.

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I knew about it, but you know, I think maybe

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because you're in a different country, it's possible

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that what we were talking about could be different

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from what you were talking about. There were

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like check -ins, you know, every now and then,

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you know, regarding and revisiting his cancer.

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And I think that he was in stage three clorectal

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cancer, I believe. I'm not familiar with that,

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but I know that. He wasn't even in the fourth

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stage or, you know, fourth stage is the last

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stage. And his battle was getting worse and worse.

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So I think that this one was a little shocking

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because a lot of people, you know, were hoping

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that he was going to get better. Right. And unfortunately,

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he didn't. And I know that he had a bunch of

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kids. when you say like multiple kids I'm trying

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to say one two three four five six maybe six

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I'm looking at a photo of him and his babies

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and it's like six kids and this leads me to my

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next topic because there's a new thing a new

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trend that's happening where celebrities um Dead

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or alive, I want to bring that up. Doesn't necessarily

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mean that person has passed away, but there are

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times where celebrities will open a GoFundMe

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account. Now, we have to remember talking about

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this, the late James Van Der Beek obviously did

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not open a GoFundMe. This happened after he passed.

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But a lot of people are having mixed feelings

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on things like this because they're like, oh,

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well. The normal person, a normal everyday person

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may never see a million dollars in their whole

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life. And then celebrities may see 10, 15, 20

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million in their whole life. What is the protocol

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for someone who's had so much money in their

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lifetime of asking for money? And we're gonna

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talk about this also with Eric Dane, who also

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unfortunately passed away recently. And there's

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a go from me going on with that. And Gina, the

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reason why I'm bringing this up is because...

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um you know the internet nothing gets past the

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internet the internet found some records that

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um james van der beek and his family purchased

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a multi -million dollar ranch and um i believe

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it was almost five million dollars gina and this

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was about one month before his unfortunate passing

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so a lot of people online are saying oh well

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Why would you buy a $4 .9 million home, you know,

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and then after passing, ask people to help donate

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to make sure that his children are taken care

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of. A lot of people are arguing that they could

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have stayed in the home that they were in and

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then use that $4 .9 million to support his children.

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So, and again. This is a super touchy subject

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because I don't want anyone to feel like, you

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know, we don't care about the passing of James

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Enrique or his family or his kids or whatever.

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But this is, you know, the Internet is talking

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and I don't know how I feel about it because,

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you know, I'm not a millionaire and I don't know

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what it's like to have, you know, more money

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than I know what to do with it. And I'm never

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going to be able to afford a five million dollar

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house. So I don't know what it's like to be in

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that situation. But how do you feel, Gina? Do

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you have any thoughts on it whatsoever? Like,

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because I know You know, you're a big celebrity

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fan, a pop culture fan. You follow along with

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a lot of things that celebrities are doing in

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their lives and their personal lives and real

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estate and things like that. So do you have any

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thoughts on this? Like, here's the thing. Right?

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Like if I'm going to donate anything, I'm going

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to like any funds to anywhere, it's going to

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be a not like a nonprofit organization or like

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work like a children's hospital or like, because

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not like giving doesn't make you a better person.

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It's your actions that make you a better person

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in life. So at the same time, it's most like

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most of the people that are giving are like are

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celebrity statured, right? The average celebrity

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will not donate every time someone posts a go

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fund me for whatever reason. So, and like, I

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know somebody, her daughter has, or I knew of

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someone, but we were friends, no longer friends,

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and who her daughter has this heart condition

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or whatnot. And it's just so repetitive, like,

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the GoFundMe is like just everything all the

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time. Like, oh, I need you know, those machines

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to give you like, what's it called that Ray J

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has or whatnot, like she needs to carry one of

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those. Oh, he needs money for that defibrillator.

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Yeah, or something like that like and it costs

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like this much money and like at the end of the

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day Just things led up to it where I'm like,

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I'm kind of done like and as you know Canada

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we have a Great health care system. It might

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be it has it's like obviously downfalls due to

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the fact like Like waiting rooms and stuff like

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that, but we have a pretty decent health care

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system up here Like a universal healthcare system

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up here. You can't tell me that the government's

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not helping you. And the funds that you're collecting

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or making donations to Children's Hospital here,

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you want it in your name so you can claim it

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as a tax break. Get the fuck out of here. I don't

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think so. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done with it.

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Like we're no longer friends anymore. Whatever.

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I don't care. Like I care about her daughter

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and her condition, obviously, but at the end

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of the day, like get jobs right. Her daughter's

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not in school and her daughter doesn't like she's

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homeschooled, but doesn't even have a proper

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like the proper education she should be getting

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at the end of the day. So it's just really like

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annoying. So my GoFundMes, they don't like I

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hate to be an insensitive person, but they just

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they just don't do anything for me. You will

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not see me donating to GoFundMe. Well, see, another

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thing that I noticed was a lot of celebrities

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will when someone passes away, their other, you

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know, celebrity friends will be like, oh, I'm

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so sad and they'll post their condolences and

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they'll post nice sweet things and then they'll

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share the GoFundMe. And the thought came to my

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mind, Gina, I was like, if you are a celebrity

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and you've been a celebrity your whole life,

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you know, you've done multiple huge movies or

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TV shows, series, whatever. The idea that you

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have so many rich friends, you know, like celebrity

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friends and like the idea that... I heard a story

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on the radio that I think Johnny Depp had let

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Eric Danes and his family live in one of his

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homes rent free while he was battling ALS. And

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I thought that that was a really nice and stand

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up thing to do when someone is going through

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a lot. Whether you're a celebrity or not, your

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medical bills don't change. Your medical bills

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are still gonna be high. And it made me think

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about it. I was like, well, if he was doing that,

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I was like, What other celebrity friends might

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he have had who might want to also help? Because

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shifting into the Eric Dane situation, when he

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passed away, he left two daughters and he was

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separated from his wife, but he was dating someone

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else. And I believe the woman that he was dating

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is the one that opened the GoFundMe for her and

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the daughters. And a lot of people are, you know,

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the Internet, you know, they're like, oh, well,

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You know, he was married to a very famous actress.

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I believe her name is Rebecca Gayheart. And they

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are separated, obviously, but he shares those

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daughters with this celebrity woman. And a lot

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of people are saying, why wouldn't the mother?

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take care of those children, right? And I think

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that that's a very valid question. You know,

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why is it the public's responsibility? And Gina,

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like you said, I think a lot of people have lost

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personal responsibility and personal accountability,

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and they think that anything that goes wrong

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or anything that happens, the public is now responsible

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for your situation to solve your problem. And

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I think the GoFundMe era that we're in, it's

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really making people have a false sense of entitlement

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to other people's money. You know, and it's just

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hard for me, Gina, because I watch so many horrible

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stories happen online all the time where a parent

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might pass away from cancer or in a car accident

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and they leave behind, you know, terrible something

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like two tiny children, something terrible. And

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since they weren't a celebrity, You know, nobody

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really is doing anything for those kids, but

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it's like since a celebrity passed away and they

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left behind children, it almost seems like we're

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holding those children like they're... at a higher

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standard. We have to make sure those celebrity

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kids are okay. All of the kids should be okay,

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Gina, right? Actually, I lied. The last time

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I donated to GoFundMe was when that incident

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happened here last year in April near my house

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where basically a driver drove and killed a lot

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of people during a festival. There was a lot

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of people that were in the hospital and obviously

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the hospital is covered obviously because like

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I said healthcare system but it's the after right

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to support them after they get out of the hospital

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for those that survived right because you have

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to remember in that situation Gina some like

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in a lot of people can't work because they're

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that injured or they have post traumatic stress

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like whatever it is they can't they can't work

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Right. It's just, I want to be as open to it

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as possible, but I also think that there's just

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so many and we can't help everyone. And I guess

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a lot of people will post online, they're like,

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oh, well, if you don't want to donate, don't

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keep scrolling. And I think that if it touches

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you to donate, it touches your heart and you

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feel like it's something that you need to do,

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you should. And I think that when you're drawn

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to a situation or a story or a tragedy, you know,

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get personally involved in that and try to do

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your part. Even if it's $10, whatever your part

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is, you know, do that. And I just think that

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the celebrity ones that have been popping up

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lately, and I know we, in the 90 -day world,

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we talk a lot about 90 -day. I know the cast

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member, Nikki Exotica posted one recently where

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she was asking for $50 ,000. just because she

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said she wanted to restart her life. She didn't

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have any medical condition. She wasn't diagnosed

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with any terminal disease. She just said she

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wanted $50 ,000, you know? And I think at this

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point, we're getting to the point where people

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have no shame. Dignity? Dignity? Yeah, I mean,

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because just saying you want $50 ,000 because

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you want to restart your life just because, you

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know, and asking the public to give you that,

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I think it's crazy. You know, and there's different

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situations like this situation where James Vanderbeek

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left behind five or six children asking for money

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is a little more warranted than just saying,

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I just want to restart my life. You know, like

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I think there are different levels, you know,

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to the level of need. But I do think that we're

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so quick to whenever I hate to go to that that

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meme where they say. a minor inconvenience, you

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know, we're ready to ask for help. And I think

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that a lot of times people don't try to help

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themselves. They just go directly to help me.

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Right. Yeah, help me. Help me. Help me. And I

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think that we definitely need to get back into

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the personal accountability, you know, and a

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lot of celebrities, you know, maybe they're mismanaging

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their money because again, Gina, you and I will

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never understand what it's like to have $20 million

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at one point in the bank will never understand

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that will not will will never understand what

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it's like to buy a $5 million house and still

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have money left over, you know, so that's how

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much houses go here for like 2 million. But did

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you buy one? money coming into my ass. That's

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what I'm saying. We're not going to be able to

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understand that. So again, I hate to, I just,

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I don't know, the internet is there's a lot of

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mixed feelings. A lot of people feel like this

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is ridiculous. We can't be giving millionaires

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money. And we know exactly. Like the, the thing

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is if you're going to support their kids or whatnot,

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um, one of the kids he survived, but his parents

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and younger like, his baby brother had passed

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away in that festival. And the funds that were

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donated are put into a trust until he reaches

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like 18 or 19 years old. And that's what his

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like his caretaker had put it like that. Like

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this will be put into a trust. I mean, I feel

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like that's how it should be. Because when you

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know, I always go back to the honey boo boo story.

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Gina because remember the Here Comes Honey Boo

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Boo show that girl Alana Thompson was paid in

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check or whatever to her mother because she was

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a minor. You can't pay a child because there's

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child labor laws and later after that show was

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gone and everything that the money that was supposed

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to be sat aside for this girl when she became

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of age was spent by the mother. So I always go

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back to that. I was like, it's important that

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when you want to help take care of children that

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it goes into a bank that no one else can touch

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you know and exactly and like sometimes there

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is um like there's fine print too you can't just

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take out the money for whatever the heck you

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want it has to be your education it has to be

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like it has there's speculations on like if you

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put your money in a trust that some parents will

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put onto the accounts that it has to be used

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for education. It has to be used for a house.

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It has to be used for an apartment. It can't

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be used for like what exactly you want. It's

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an improvement in your life. Like for career

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choices, for life choices, right? Like it's not

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to spend it on a weekend or like go on trips

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or whatever. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah,

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and it's unfortunate that you have to do that.

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But we've seen so many times where misuse of

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funds and people taking advantage of, especially

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when children are in the entertainment industry

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at a young age, their parents kind of see them

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as a source of income or a source of money. And

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unfortunately, those children are taken advantage

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of, which kind of brings us into another topic

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that we were going to discuss. Aaron Carter's

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mom, this was a recent story on TMZ Today actually,

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said that his ex, so Aaron Carter, who unfortunately

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passed away I believe in 2022, December, I believe,

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or November, December 2022, he had a baby with

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a woman named Melanie Martin, his son's name

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is Prince, and Aaron Carter's mom made the accusations

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that Melanie, who is Aaron's... baby mama, lack

00:19:06.339 --> 00:19:09.519
of a better term, made unauthorized withdrawals

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from the late Aaron Carter's bank accounts. And

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she brought that story up to TMZ recently, which

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I kind of find to be a little bogus because if

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Aaron Carter passed away, wouldn't his next of

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kin be his son? And if Melanie is making withdrawals

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from the account, I would assume it's for their

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son, which would be what the money should be

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used for. So my question, Gina, does the mom

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think that the money is more hers than the sons?

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Because that would be crazy, right? Maybe knowing

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like knowing his mom. Well, yeah, I was just

00:19:47.700 --> 00:19:50.750
about to say that his mom. Gina and I have watched

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all the documentaries, all of the Carter documentaries,

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and I think, Gina, you watched House of Carters,

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their little reality show that they had way back

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in the... Yes. If anyone knows anything about

00:20:02.250 --> 00:20:05.609
me, anything Backstreet Boys related is underneath

00:20:05.609 --> 00:20:09.549
my belt. Yeah, so we know that she does not have

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the best reputation in any aspect of the word.

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You know, she kind of... I don't want to say

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used her kids as like pawns to make money, but

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she kind of did, right? Like she kind of did,

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you know, she pushed them into the entertainment

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industry. And unfortunately, it had an effect.

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It affected them very negatively. And later in

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life. And I think it's crazy to me that of all

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of the things going on, you know, Aaron, first

00:20:40.259 --> 00:20:42.759
of all, he passed away in 2022. His son was,

00:20:42.940 --> 00:20:46.920
oh, my gosh, maybe one years, a baby. Yeah. And

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the idea that the mother of that child, which

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is, let's be real here, Jane is the grandmother

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of this child, you know, not just Aaron's mom,

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this is the grandmother of Prince. She would

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even have the audacity to say, oh, you're spending

00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:05.500
Aaron's money. I mean, it kind of is his son's

00:21:05.500 --> 00:21:07.559
money, right? The next of kin would be his son

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because Aaron was a grown adult when he passed

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away. So when he passed away, he wasn't a child.

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So when you pass away as an adult, your next

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of kin would be the person, if you don't have

00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:19.460
a will, might I add, your next of kin would be

00:21:19.460 --> 00:21:23.339
your child or children or spouse. Now, he didn't

00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:25.880
have a legal spouse. He wasn't married to Melanie,

00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:29.140
but he did have a child with her. So that would

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make her authorized. In my opinion, again, I'm

00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:34.480
not a legal. Um, i'm not a lawyer or anything,

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but in my opinion She would be authorized to

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withdraw money from any accounts that he left

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behind because she's raising his next of kin

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Right, like that's the thought process Exactly.

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I don't know what he anticipates his mom to do

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like unfortunately I hate to say this but they

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did come from what seemed like as we seen like

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we can't believe everything that we see on tv,

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but we saw a good A good part of it. It seemed

00:22:00.579 --> 00:22:05.759
like a very broken home Right? Because not even

00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.000
like even his sister has passed away of an overdose.

00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:13.180
He passed away of drowning. It's a very like

00:22:13.180 --> 00:22:16.799
it's a very turmoil family, unfortunately. Right.

00:22:17.019 --> 00:22:23.819
So it's very yeah. Like his like his sister passed

00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:28.960
away. Like there's only I think Nick and another

00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:33.269
sister of his that are still alive. So I know

00:22:33.269 --> 00:22:35.769
Bobby Jean Carter passed away. Leslie Carter

00:22:35.769 --> 00:22:39.210
passed away. I think Angel. Angel is still here.

00:22:39.269 --> 00:22:41.690
That would be Aaron's twin sister, I believe.

00:22:41.829 --> 00:22:46.029
Yes, that's correct. Aaron is still alive. Nick

00:22:46.029 --> 00:22:49.369
is still alive and Angel is still alive. Aaron,

00:22:49.369 --> 00:22:53.589
unfortunately, is not still alive. Yeah, this

00:22:53.589 --> 00:22:56.210
is kind of a traumatic story. You know their

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story reminds me a lot of the Kennedy story.

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You know, it's very tragic and so many unexplained

00:23:01.869 --> 00:23:06.529
deaths and so much turmoil and pain. And you

00:23:06.529 --> 00:23:10.029
just really, you really feel bad for what these

00:23:10.029 --> 00:23:11.710
kids went through. Because as a kid, you know,

00:23:11.710 --> 00:23:13.529
you shouldn't be responsible for making enough

00:23:13.529 --> 00:23:16.190
money to make sure the family survives. You should

00:23:16.190 --> 00:23:19.170
just be playing with Legos. You know, and these

00:23:19.170 --> 00:23:22.829
kids had to take on the responsibility of raising

00:23:22.829 --> 00:23:25.269
their family and no children should have that

00:23:25.269 --> 00:23:29.410
responsibility. So, you know, watching how it

00:23:29.410 --> 00:23:32.269
affected them later in life. It's kind of, it

00:23:32.269 --> 00:23:34.410
kind of shows you, you know, with Michael Jackson,

00:23:34.569 --> 00:23:36.390
you know, all of these child stars, they took

00:23:36.390 --> 00:23:38.609
on too much responsibility at such a young age.

00:23:39.109 --> 00:23:41.789
Michael made it much longer than Aaron did, obviously,

00:23:41.829 --> 00:23:44.029
but it still had the same effect on him as it

00:23:44.029 --> 00:23:49.410
did to Aaron. Yeah, so basically, Leslie had

00:23:49.410 --> 00:23:54.769
passed away, Aaron's passed away, and Bobby Jean

00:23:54.769 --> 00:23:59.519
has passed away. So all there's only two siblings

00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:03.500
left, which is angel and Nick Right angel Nick

00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:06.200
and I guess their dad Robert Jean also passed

00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:10.759
that is correct. Oh Wow, it's just wow out of

00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:14.640
this whole big family. There's only Three three

00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:17.799
three people still left alive. This is it's such

00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:22.000
a tragedy and It's so unfortunate to see because

00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.420
what I think bothered me the most was the the

00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:29.900
animosity and accusation coming from Jane towards

00:24:29.900 --> 00:24:33.460
Melanie because at the end of the day, that's

00:24:33.460 --> 00:24:38.660
your past deceased son's mother, child's mother,

00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:41.680
right? So you would want to have a good relationship

00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:44.500
with her, not accuse her of stealing. Right?

00:24:44.539 --> 00:24:47.019
And I think that that's such a a horrible thing

00:24:47.019 --> 00:24:49.819
to do publicly to, instead of building a relationship

00:24:49.819 --> 00:24:52.200
with the only thing left of your son, right?

00:24:52.460 --> 00:24:55.240
Prince is his son. It's the only thing we have

00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:57.920
left to remind us of his legacy. And instead

00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.220
of building a close relationship and bond with

00:25:00.220 --> 00:25:02.559
him and his mother, you're gonna go publicly

00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.859
to TMZ and say that she's a thief? Like, that's

00:25:05.859 --> 00:25:07.660
such a terrible thing. And it just shows you

00:25:07.660 --> 00:25:13.859
how chaotic and... ridiculous, the family dynamic

00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:16.960
is because it kind of seems like it's, it's it's

00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.660
not a family dynamic at all. It's everyone against

00:25:19.660 --> 00:25:21.799
everyone. And unfortunately, in that situation,

00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:26.059
no one is going to win. Mm hmm. Exactly. So I

00:25:26.059 --> 00:25:30.319
think there was a lot of drug, alcohol, like

00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:35.440
just a very not stable Like household basically

00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:38.700
from what obviously we see we can't depict everything

00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:42.019
we see on TV because a lot of it is for the cameras.

00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.740
But from what we there's just too many lives

00:25:45.740 --> 00:25:49.519
that have been lost in this family due to different

00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:53.460
circumstances. Yeah, it just makes you question

00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:55.500
everything like the Kennedy situation. You just

00:25:55.500 --> 00:25:57.859
like what is happening? Why are all these people?

00:25:59.659 --> 00:26:02.259
And speaking of, so I don't know how closely

00:26:02.259 --> 00:26:05.539
you've been watching the Nancy Guthrie story,

00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:09.220
but apparently Savannah Guthrie, who is the host

00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:12.920
of NBC News Today, The Today Show, which is a

00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:14.759
show that I don't watch because, you know, I

00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.200
don't watch the news. It's kind of depressing.

00:26:16.859 --> 00:26:22.599
But her mother was apparently kidnapped and held

00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:24.359
for ransom. And this has been a huge story. Like

00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.059
I don't, you would have to kind of live underneath

00:26:26.059 --> 00:26:29.259
a rock. To not have heard about it at least like

00:26:29.259 --> 00:26:31.859
I haven't been following it like super closely

00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:37.279
But I have noticed you know that They can't seem

00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.000
to find any leads which a lot of people are really

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.680
confused by because you know We're always intrigued

00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:46.039
when someone vanishes into thin air that you're

00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.559
always intrigued by that because no one vanishes

00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:50.579
into thin air especially someone who has a ring

00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:54.900
doorbell camera and you know The idea that this

00:26:54.900 --> 00:26:58.680
woman disappeared has intrigued the nation. Like

00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.680
the nation has been watching this show and Savannah

00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.500
and her family have been offering different rewards

00:27:06.500 --> 00:27:10.240
for anything that might lead to where her mother

00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:14.519
could be. And there's actually been talk of a

00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.480
ransom. Did you hear about that? Like they initially

00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.059
asked for $6 million and then I think they asked

00:27:20.059 --> 00:27:22.970
for $4 million. Like, do you believe that? Do

00:27:22.970 --> 00:27:24.970
you think that she's really being held for ransom?

00:27:25.150 --> 00:27:28.269
What do you think is going on? Well, here's the

00:27:28.269 --> 00:27:32.750
thing. I've seen many true crimes, many, many.

00:27:33.569 --> 00:27:38.430
And like, basically you go from six to four,

00:27:38.769 --> 00:27:40.589
then you're going to go from two. But the thing

00:27:40.589 --> 00:27:43.970
is a person will not give in until they have

00:27:43.970 --> 00:27:47.369
photo proof. Usually it's the newspaper article

00:27:47.369 --> 00:27:52.210
with the person, but with a eye nowadays. that

00:27:52.210 --> 00:27:55.289
can all change. Basically, you can add the person,

00:27:55.470 --> 00:27:58.250
you can add the newspaper for today's date. And

00:27:58.250 --> 00:28:03.269
that's what's scary. Like, basically, if people

00:28:03.269 --> 00:28:06.349
are requesting for ransom money, like, it's going

00:28:06.349 --> 00:28:10.230
to be an AI photo, unfortunately, it might may

00:28:10.230 --> 00:28:13.190
or may not be right. But I'm assuming it's going

00:28:13.190 --> 00:28:15.950
to be an AI photo. What do you think has happened

00:28:15.950 --> 00:28:19.970
to her in general? Like, no one has seen her

00:28:19.970 --> 00:28:26.000
talk to her. there's a lot of different um stories

00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.279
of what people think are I should say theories

00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:31.460
like some people say I heard the theory that

00:28:31.460 --> 00:28:33.599
they kidnapped her and they were going to hold

00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.140
her for ransom but oh I failed to mention this

00:28:36.140 --> 00:28:40.839
woman is 84 Gina um Nancy Guthrie is 84 years

00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.720
old she's much older in age and one of the theories

00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:47.019
is they kidnapped her and during the shock and

00:28:47.259 --> 00:28:50.759
and terrifying situation of the kidnapping, she

00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.079
passed away of a heart attack. That's one of

00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.880
the alleged stories going around. But didn't

00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.519
she go missing in Arizona, I want to say? I could

00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.720
be wrong. I believe it was Arizona. Yeah. OK,

00:29:02.980 --> 00:29:08.299
so like how like like you said, how does a person

00:29:08.299 --> 00:29:13.180
just vanish, like just vanish, right? I know

00:29:13.180 --> 00:29:16.099
here, for instance, and probably where you are

00:29:16.099 --> 00:29:23.680
too, there's cameras. There's city cameras recording.

00:29:26.619 --> 00:29:30.579
And you can see the cameras. There are hidden

00:29:30.579 --> 00:29:34.200
cameras everywhere in the city. And you can't

00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.859
tell me you can't retrace this woman's steps.

00:29:38.789 --> 00:29:41.950
Well, not only that but I've seen it where because

00:29:41.950 --> 00:29:44.250
you know every basically every house on my block

00:29:44.250 --> 00:29:47.490
has a ring camera and as Cars drive by the ring

00:29:47.490 --> 00:29:50.589
cameras click on because they're motion activated

00:29:50.589 --> 00:29:54.029
Exactly, even if a car went down your street

00:29:54.029 --> 00:29:57.289
There would be some visual of a car and you would

00:29:57.289 --> 00:29:59.130
just go from camera to camera until you figure

00:29:59.130 --> 00:30:01.109
out if you can see a license plate if you can

00:30:01.109 --> 00:30:04.990
get exactly I that's what I don't understand

00:30:04.990 --> 00:30:09.500
like how How do you make like not only the ring

00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:12.940
cam city cameras have they're everywhere in the

00:30:12.940 --> 00:30:15.779
city like especially in a large city like in

00:30:15.779 --> 00:30:18.359
Phoenix or whatnot. If you're in the middle of

00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.559
like boomtown, probably not. because there's

00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.539
only like no stoplights, probably not. But if

00:30:26.539 --> 00:30:28.819
you're in a major city, there's going to be cameras

00:30:28.819 --> 00:30:31.460
everywhere. So I think the police are actually

00:30:31.460 --> 00:30:33.660
dropping the ball on this, to be quite honest,

00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.240
because it has been quite some time where I've

00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:39.140
been seeing like the TMZ articles about it. I

00:30:39.140 --> 00:30:43.339
think they're dropping the ball on this. I think

00:30:43.339 --> 00:30:45.680
so, too. And I mean, I think that, you know,

00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.700
there's always 50 sides to every story. I think

00:30:47.700 --> 00:30:50.220
that there's way more to what we've heard than

00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:54.130
to what's going on. And but the idea that this

00:30:54.130 --> 00:30:57.529
is the today show host mother, I think it's the

00:30:57.529 --> 00:30:59.990
story has kind of catapulted. It's how you say

00:30:59.990 --> 00:31:02.890
catapulted. And so like this phenomenon, like

00:31:02.890 --> 00:31:06.750
there's people who are just so so wrapped in

00:31:06.750 --> 00:31:09.250
and enthralled in this story. You know, people

00:31:09.250 --> 00:31:12.000
are just following and a lot of people. have

00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.799
made like TikToks and memes and they were like,

00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:15.539
oh my gosh, I'm just gonna go find this woman

00:31:15.539 --> 00:31:17.559
myself because the police seem to not be doing

00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.920
a good job of locating her. Like a lot of people

00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:21.299
are like, I'm just gonna go find her myself.

00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.559
Cause at this point there's no reason why they

00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:27.240
shouldn't have one single lead, right? Cause

00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.420
a lot of people are like, this is crazy. This

00:31:29.420 --> 00:31:31.599
woman has clearly been kidnapped. You should

00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.079
be able to trace at least to what kind of car

00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:37.339
they took her in. You know, like there's no reason

00:31:37.339 --> 00:31:40.599
why. you know, she should be missing for this

00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.960
long with no idea of where she is, if she's alive,

00:31:43.059 --> 00:31:45.059
where they took her or what's going on. And the

00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:48.380
fact that there were people contacting them for

00:31:48.380 --> 00:31:50.460
ransom, like, Gina, I was under the impression

00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:53.400
that if you contact somebody with like a cell

00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.759
phone or whatever, they can at least determine

00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.420
the call, right? Not necessarily to exactly where

00:31:59.420 --> 00:32:02.210
you are, but like a general vicinity. Where you

00:32:02.210 --> 00:32:05.309
are could be like a burner phone to right? Well,

00:32:05.430 --> 00:32:07.769
we'll throw it away and they'll call again, right?

00:32:08.049 --> 00:32:10.930
Well, you know where you originally called from

00:32:10.930 --> 00:32:13.029
like even if you call and then you move to another

00:32:13.029 --> 00:32:15.630
location They should at least know like a vicinity

00:32:15.630 --> 00:32:17.910
of where the call was made even if it was a burner

00:32:17.910 --> 00:32:21.690
So like I said lots of questions no answers and

00:32:21.690 --> 00:32:24.730
I definitely feel like at this point Someone

00:32:24.730 --> 00:32:27.049
is dropping the ball Gina, right? Like someone

00:32:27.049 --> 00:32:32.029
is definitely not doing their due diligence here

00:32:32.029 --> 00:32:34.170
and you know what they say if it's a minority

00:32:34.170 --> 00:32:36.029
they work a little less well this is a white

00:32:36.029 --> 00:32:39.829
lady so what's going on like why haven't they

00:32:39.829 --> 00:32:42.450
located her because you know the the meme is

00:32:42.450 --> 00:32:46.029
you know when you call 911 it's like is it a

00:32:46.029 --> 00:32:47.470
good neighborhood or a bad neighborhood because

00:32:47.470 --> 00:32:49.190
that determines how fast the police are going

00:32:49.190 --> 00:32:51.789
to show up so like i'm trying to figure it's

00:32:51.789 --> 00:32:53.569
probably a good neighborhood because think about

00:32:53.569 --> 00:32:57.619
it right like like who her daughter is, right?

00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.740
Like she's not gonna live in a bad, like the

00:33:00.740 --> 00:33:02.779
mom doesn't, like the daughter is not gonna wanna

00:33:02.779 --> 00:33:06.259
have her mom in a bad neighborhood. Well, yeah,

00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.740
I guarantee you it was an amazing neighborhood.

00:33:08.900 --> 00:33:11.079
I'm just, it's just confusing. Cause it seems

00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.779
like this situation, they should be able to locate

00:33:13.779 --> 00:33:16.640
her. And, you know, I'm starting to lean towards

00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:18.819
some of the theories that I've heard where she,

00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.700
and I think unfortunately Savannah said it in

00:33:21.700 --> 00:33:25.430
the, last plea where she said that she would

00:33:25.430 --> 00:33:28.089
offer up to a million dollars to know where her

00:33:28.089 --> 00:33:30.450
mom is. She said, unfortunately, she could already

00:33:30.450 --> 00:33:33.170
be gone. And that's what a lot of theories have

00:33:33.170 --> 00:33:35.329
been. They're like, well, I heard actually I

00:33:35.329 --> 00:33:38.529
was I heard a psychic say that her theory was

00:33:38.529 --> 00:33:43.210
she passed away during the initial kidnapping

00:33:43.210 --> 00:33:45.950
from a heart attack, because, you know, 84 year

00:33:45.950 --> 00:33:48.890
old person, you can't just put a gun to their

00:33:48.890 --> 00:33:51.670
head and tied them up. Like that is a lot for

00:33:51.670 --> 00:33:53.769
someone of that age. I think that that theory

00:33:53.769 --> 00:33:56.549
is kind of ringing true to me for some reason.

00:33:57.109 --> 00:34:01.009
Yeah. Like, like, like I said, the police are

00:34:01.009 --> 00:34:04.109
dropping the ball. I don't know. Like sometimes

00:34:04.109 --> 00:34:08.329
people to stay relevant. Like, I don't know.

00:34:08.409 --> 00:34:11.769
Maybe I hate to say this and obviously I don't

00:34:11.769 --> 00:34:15.030
think it but some people will make up these like

00:34:15.030 --> 00:34:19.030
obnoxious stories just to get publicity out of

00:34:19.030 --> 00:34:24.329
it so maybe her time on the Today Show was like

00:34:24.329 --> 00:34:28.940
near like she was expiring. like a bag like a

00:34:28.940 --> 00:34:30.880
jug of milk and they're gonna give her the boot

00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.119
and like I hope this didn't happen but I'm just

00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:36.880
thinking like realistically how many times has

00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.280
ever like has a lot of things been a publicity

00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:45.119
stunt oh I mean that could be because she I hate

00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.380
to go dark but you know as you know what the

00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:52.420
police always say they have to go down every

00:34:52.420 --> 00:34:55.570
avenue Right when you're trying to solve something

00:34:55.570 --> 00:34:59.250
you have to leave no stone unturned So that could

00:34:59.250 --> 00:35:02.369
be a theory and you have to visit every theory

00:35:02.369 --> 00:35:05.449
you have to decide what? What necessarily rings

00:35:05.449 --> 00:35:07.550
true and what doesn't and unfortunately Gina

00:35:07.550 --> 00:35:09.829
that could be that could be true because her

00:35:09.829 --> 00:35:12.610
mom has been very Involved and and her name has

00:35:12.610 --> 00:35:14.110
been out there because let me just be a hundred

00:35:14.110 --> 00:35:17.050
percent real with you. I had never heard of Savannah

00:35:17.050 --> 00:35:20.690
Guthrie my life until this story happened because

00:35:20.690 --> 00:35:25.690
I have a job and I don't work from home so and

00:35:25.690 --> 00:35:27.489
I don't even know what time the Today Show comes

00:35:27.489 --> 00:35:29.750
on it but I'm not watching it because I'm watching

00:35:29.750 --> 00:35:32.530
other trash TV maybe that I shouldn't be watching

00:35:32.530 --> 00:35:37.369
but you know well yeah I think you know every

00:35:37.369 --> 00:35:41.349
Avenue is visited I think that we'll figure out

00:35:41.349 --> 00:35:43.750
what happened and I'm praying that she's fine

00:35:43.750 --> 00:35:47.510
and me too And I'm praying that it's not a publicity

00:35:47.510 --> 00:35:50.269
stunt. There's a lot of people that go missing

00:35:50.269 --> 00:35:52.429
and they're found within a few days, at least

00:35:52.429 --> 00:35:56.030
here, but they have signs of like dementia, right?

00:35:56.130 --> 00:35:58.809
Or they're older, right? But they're located

00:35:58.809 --> 00:36:01.929
within three to four days because why? There's

00:36:01.929 --> 00:36:05.969
police cam footage everywhere. And they'll give

00:36:05.969 --> 00:36:08.070
like a description of what the person was wearing,

00:36:08.070 --> 00:36:11.289
right? And people are village like religion of.

00:36:11.819 --> 00:36:13.940
their surroundings like hey that person looks

00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:16.780
familiar like you know what i mean like it there's

00:36:16.780 --> 00:36:19.119
the trigger points in your head where because

00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.139
if i was to see someone that was like a missing

00:36:21.139 --> 00:36:24.179
person whether it be like old or whatnot i'm

00:36:24.179 --> 00:36:26.480
like hey that person kind of looks familiar from

00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.900
somewhere i've seen that picture before i'm going

00:36:28.900 --> 00:36:30.900
to be looking online like has there been any

00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:33.900
like missing person, especially if they're elderly,

00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:36.760
right? At the same time, or they're distraught,

00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:39.639
or they have the signs of dementia or whatnot,

00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:43.119
right? So we live in like the city that I live

00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.079
in is very multicultural with like a lot of Asian

00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.059
and South Asian backgrounds such as like Indian,

00:36:49.340 --> 00:36:53.880
Chinese, Koreans and whatnot. So like in those

00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.449
cultures, we don't put our family members, like

00:36:57.449 --> 00:36:59.869
even for me, we don't put our family members

00:36:59.869 --> 00:37:03.110
in a home. It's like basically the last resort

00:37:03.110 --> 00:37:05.550
basically where you're going to put your family

00:37:05.550 --> 00:37:09.650
members in a home. Oh, well, a lot of people

00:37:09.650 --> 00:37:11.769
here in the US put their family members in a

00:37:11.769 --> 00:37:15.730
home immediately. So if you if you ask her co

00:37:15.730 --> 00:37:18.389
host, for instance, if you ask Captain, if her

00:37:18.389 --> 00:37:20.070
parents were still alive, she wouldn't put them

00:37:20.070 --> 00:37:22.880
in our home. It's a cultural thing. You know,

00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.780
like they your parents raised you and it's your

00:37:25.780 --> 00:37:28.539
time to like give back to them at the same time.

00:37:28.539 --> 00:37:30.659
That's kind of how it looks. It's like disrespectful

00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:33.840
unless it's like serious signs of dementia. You're

00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.239
not going to put them in the home because there's

00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.280
only so much a person can take. Right. So unless

00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.460
it's a serious sign of like dementia and you

00:37:40.460 --> 00:37:43.519
can't just you can't do it anymore, then that's

00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.519
it's basically a last resort. Absolutely. Oh,

00:37:47.539 --> 00:37:50.260
so I want to revisit. We're going to revisit

00:37:50.260 --> 00:37:54.940
the Brian Latrell. situation we talked about

00:37:54.940 --> 00:37:58.860
this oh my gosh months ago where he lives in

00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:01.179
oh my god Gina help me out here what on some

00:38:01.179 --> 00:38:03.860
beach what beach is it well he doesn't live there

00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:07.860
like we've established it was a vacation home

00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:11.539
because like he lives in in Atlanta That's right.

00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.079
You know what we did we went down this rabbit

00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.699
hole. So he has a vacation home on the beach.

00:38:16.780 --> 00:38:18.300
Oh my gosh, I can't remember where it's somewhere

00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:22.739
in Florida. And I think it's what come county

00:38:22.739 --> 00:38:25.980
or something like that. Oh, I don't know where

00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:29.239
that is. But he he basically said that people

00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:31.280
were walking on his property because he owns

00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.340
a beachfront property. But you know, the beach

00:38:34.340 --> 00:38:38.800
itself is public property, right? Like kind of

00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.650
like a park. like where the water runs up to

00:38:41.650 --> 00:38:44.409
the sand you know that area isn't necessarily

00:38:44.409 --> 00:38:48.070
owned by anyone maybe the city i don't know but

00:38:48.070 --> 00:38:51.449
he was saying that people walking in front of

00:38:51.449 --> 00:38:54.409
his home and but between the water and his home

00:38:54.409 --> 00:38:57.929
were trespassing on his property and he was actually

00:38:57.929 --> 00:39:02.210
suing I want to say multiple people, Gina, right?

00:39:02.369 --> 00:39:05.349
Wasn't it multiple people? It was like a woman.

00:39:05.550 --> 00:39:10.469
It was like the county, like the police department.

00:39:11.309 --> 00:39:13.510
Yeah, there was he was suing all of these people

00:39:13.510 --> 00:39:15.969
saying that these people were trespassing on

00:39:15.969 --> 00:39:18.989
his property and The beach itself belonged to

00:39:18.989 --> 00:39:21.230
him and no one was allowed to walk that part

00:39:21.230 --> 00:39:23.469
of the beach They had to I'm not exactly sure

00:39:23.469 --> 00:39:24.929
what he wanted them to do because how would you

00:39:24.929 --> 00:39:27.349
go around that? I don't know maybe swim around

00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:29.530
his house I don't know what he wanted but the

00:39:29.530 --> 00:39:34.309
the update is that a judge heard his case and

00:39:34.309 --> 00:39:37.980
dismissed it against everyone, against this woman

00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:40.739
that he said was trespassing on his property.

00:39:42.460 --> 00:39:45.840
It's in Santa Rosa. I don't know where that is.

00:39:46.940 --> 00:39:50.059
So basically the judge told him that you can't

00:39:50.059 --> 00:39:53.769
tell people that they can't walk. in front of

00:39:53.769 --> 00:39:56.630
the beach. You just don't. And I guess a lesson

00:39:56.630 --> 00:39:58.710
learned for him when you buy a beachfront property,

00:39:58.909 --> 00:40:01.730
you don't own the beach itself. You own the house

00:40:01.730 --> 00:40:04.789
and then a small amount of land in front and

00:40:04.789 --> 00:40:07.449
behind it, but not the actual beach. And I think

00:40:07.449 --> 00:40:09.489
if you really want to buy a beach - He tried

00:40:09.489 --> 00:40:13.190
to sue his neighbor. Wait, what did he sue his

00:40:13.190 --> 00:40:16.760
neighbor for? So I'm reading an article here.

00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:21.880
It says Luttrell 50 has been embroiled in a bitter

00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:24.659
legal battle with his neighbor. I'm not going

00:40:24.659 --> 00:40:27.780
to name her name, but she's not my age. She's

00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:32.059
up there in age. He alleges she has invaded his

00:40:32.059 --> 00:40:34.800
privacy by going outside his beachfront Santa

00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:39.920
Rosa property. He was suing his neighbor for

00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.460
going in front of his house that he doesn't even

00:40:43.460 --> 00:40:46.929
live in. I have questions. I have so many questions,

00:40:47.050 --> 00:40:50.849
you know, like, why is he so bothered by people

00:40:50.849 --> 00:40:54.110
walking around? Gina, I would be very, like,

00:40:54.989 --> 00:40:56.969
concerned if people were like breaking into his

00:40:56.969 --> 00:40:59.590
property or maybe using his pool, you know, doing

00:40:59.590 --> 00:41:03.429
anything to to violate his property, but walking

00:41:03.429 --> 00:41:05.769
his property or being near his property. Is that

00:41:05.769 --> 00:41:07.750
enough to file a lawsuit against your neighbor?

00:41:08.329 --> 00:41:11.900
Like, that seems a little much for me. So it

00:41:11.900 --> 00:41:13.880
says here in this article that I'm reading from

00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:17.559
Realtor .com because obviously, you know, it's

00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:19.820
a pretty reputable source with housing and stuff

00:41:19.820 --> 00:41:22.360
like that. The boy band alum first filed a suit

00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.420
against Hill. Well, I said her last name, but

00:41:25.420 --> 00:41:27.880
yeah. In September, accusing his neighbor of

00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.460
coming onto his property despite the fact that

00:41:30.460 --> 00:41:34.280
he's put up quote unquote, put up several no

00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.599
trespassing signs along with chairs, umbrellas

00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:45.869
and small tables. as per the county circuit court

00:41:45.869 --> 00:41:48.949
lawsuit, which was obtained by the New York Post.

00:41:49.289 --> 00:41:54.409
InSuit Hill, who brands herself as semi -retired

00:41:54.409 --> 00:41:59.690
on Medicare, is accused of shouting and cursing

00:41:59.690 --> 00:42:03.889
at Latrell's family, property manager, and setting

00:42:03.889 --> 00:42:07.929
up various chairs and other pieces of beach furniture.

00:42:07.949 --> 00:42:12.349
This is like a Gina level of petty. Latrell has

00:42:12.349 --> 00:42:14.610
been claiming that he suffered emotional harm

00:42:14.610 --> 00:42:17.929
due to Hill's actions. However, Judge has now

00:42:17.929 --> 00:42:25.670
denied his claim. Obviously. Yeah. This was on

00:42:25.670 --> 00:42:29.449
February 17th. The judge dismissed the case,

00:42:29.769 --> 00:42:32.150
noting that the singer can't claim emotional

00:42:32.150 --> 00:42:36.030
damages in trespassing case. The judge also gave

00:42:36.030 --> 00:42:39.969
the trial 20 days to refile with the right legal

00:42:39.969 --> 00:42:46.050
factors. Oh, so he was trying to get emotional

00:42:46.050 --> 00:42:51.110
distress? I guess. From trespassing? Like, I

00:42:51.110 --> 00:42:53.610
have so many questions. Like, get the fuck out

00:42:53.610 --> 00:42:58.349
of here. When does he even have time to... even

00:42:58.349 --> 00:43:00.070
know what's going on in his house. He's always

00:43:00.070 --> 00:43:03.269
touring. They're doing shows at the Spear. They

00:43:03.269 --> 00:43:05.789
tour all over the world. Like, when does he even

00:43:05.789 --> 00:43:07.610
have time to even know what's going on at one

00:43:07.610 --> 00:43:09.510
of his properties? Because you know he has multiple

00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:15.269
properties, Gina. Exactly. So... No. Yeah, make

00:43:15.269 --> 00:43:19.329
it make sense. I don't know. I was actually sent

00:43:19.329 --> 00:43:23.219
it to three of my friends in a... group chat

00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:27.079
that we have regarding the Backstreet Boys at

00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:31.679
the sphere of their new dates and I'm like absolutely

00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.360
not like he like I will always have a soft spot

00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.460
for him because he was like the love of my life

00:43:38.460 --> 00:43:43.400
when I was like 16. or 15 but with his actions

00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.440
and I said this in a prior podcast like I'm like

00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.760
absolutely not like no and one of them's like

00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.699
oh my husband likes Brian I'm like no like no

00:43:54.699 --> 00:43:58.360
right unfortunately I had to jump ship and I

00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.559
had to like another Backstreet Boy member instead

00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:05.840
like I'm sorry Of all the Backstreet Boys, he

00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.820
seems like a douchey one. Like, I don't know.

00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:12.039
Like, the way that he is suing people and the

00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.440
way that he - Like, the way he's portraying himself

00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:20.559
doesn't align with what I value in a person type

00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.539
of thing. So that's why I was just like, no!

00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:27.320
It's also really weird because Brian Littrell,

00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.980
um... He released a gospel album and he sings

00:44:30.980 --> 00:44:33.599
contemporary gospel music and it's not very Christian

00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:38.159
to sue your neighbor. Isn't something in the

00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.500
Bible about how you're supposed to honor your

00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:42.699
neighbor or love your neighbor? Love thy neighbor?

00:44:42.860 --> 00:44:46.000
Love thy neighbor. Yeah, so this is really out

00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.440
of character, so I don't know. I think that it's

00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:50.699
great that it was dismissed though because unfortunately,

00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:54.809
you know, he filed the wrong... He needs to come

00:44:54.809 --> 00:44:57.530
down a few notches and come back to planet Earth

00:44:57.530 --> 00:45:00.150
where everybody else is living. Well, not maybe

00:45:00.150 --> 00:45:03.269
peacefully, but you know what I mean, like living

00:45:03.269 --> 00:45:07.329
like money in their own business. I mean, yeah,

00:45:07.389 --> 00:45:09.750
if someone is walking near your home that you're

00:45:09.750 --> 00:45:12.070
not even at and they're not bothering your home,

00:45:12.230 --> 00:45:16.010
then leave them alone. Yeah, if they're not like

00:45:16.010 --> 00:45:18.809
doing damages to your home, they're not breaking

00:45:18.809 --> 00:45:21.710
into your home They're not doing anything of

00:45:21.710 --> 00:45:24.030
that sort of nature You need to back back the

00:45:24.030 --> 00:45:27.329
fuck out like just back off right because you

00:45:27.329 --> 00:45:30.309
know what there's Plenty because we're on the

00:45:30.309 --> 00:45:33.710
like there's ocean right here plenty of properties

00:45:33.710 --> 00:45:37.070
that are beachfront here The beach is public

00:45:37.070 --> 00:45:42.309
the beach is public right like Like, there's

00:45:42.309 --> 00:45:45.489
only so much from the property line that belongs

00:45:45.489 --> 00:45:50.210
to you. The rest, it's like a fair game. It's,

00:45:50.349 --> 00:45:52.289
yeah. Yeah, I was speaking of, we got to revisit

00:45:52.289 --> 00:45:54.389
this. So, remember we talked about that David

00:45:54.389 --> 00:45:56.550
situation? I think this happened back in August

00:45:56.550 --> 00:45:59.429
where a body was found in a Tesla that was impounded.

00:46:00.849 --> 00:46:04.690
So... His ex -girlfriend's, like, his ex -girlfriend

00:46:04.690 --> 00:46:07.960
or whatever, partner at the time, whatever. who

00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:11.260
was like super young or something like he was

00:46:11.260 --> 00:46:13.820
an adult she was super young her body was found

00:46:13.820 --> 00:46:17.239
decomposing in his tesla that was impounded and

00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.760
okay so this will be quick so the grand jury

00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.500
is now targeting him that is who the investigation

00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:24.599
is surrounding which we already knew that but

00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.780
one one of the new things is that they're subpoena

00:46:27.780 --> 00:46:32.940
in his mom dad and brother um to testify and

00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:36.639
they are they're they're from texas And they

00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.840
are trying to say it violates their due process

00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.840
by asking them to to testify. So they're trying

00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.820
to fight going to testify in front of the grand

00:46:45.820 --> 00:46:48.619
jury. And I don't know, Gina, like if if nobody

00:46:48.619 --> 00:46:50.659
did anything wrong, there's nothing wrong with

00:46:50.659 --> 00:46:53.960
testifying. Right. Like, I think that them saying

00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:55.920
that they don't want to talk to the grand jury

00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.480
makes it seem like they're hiding something.

00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:04.349
Right. Exactly. Like I said it before. The reason

00:47:04.349 --> 00:47:07.530
why this is taking so long because the police

00:47:07.530 --> 00:47:11.750
wants to get it right. They don't want any hiccups

00:47:11.750 --> 00:47:15.769
to like or bumps along the road to be proven

00:47:15.769 --> 00:47:19.469
otherwise. And this guy walks away. Well, yeah,

00:47:19.469 --> 00:47:21.170
if they charge him with the wrong thing and he's

00:47:21.170 --> 00:47:24.190
acquitted, they cannot charge him again. So they

00:47:24.190 --> 00:47:25.929
have to charge him correctly and they have to

00:47:25.929 --> 00:47:28.889
have the evidence that supports the charges because,

00:47:28.889 --> 00:47:33.530
you know, they could charge him for. They could

00:47:33.530 --> 00:47:34.949
charge him manslaughter. They could charge him

00:47:34.949 --> 00:47:37.849
with murder. They could charge him with homicide.

00:47:38.070 --> 00:47:40.690
There's so many different things or ways that

00:47:40.690 --> 00:47:42.250
they could charge this, but they have to charge

00:47:42.250 --> 00:47:44.590
it right. Because if they, like I said, if they

00:47:44.590 --> 00:47:47.050
get an acquittal instead of a guilty verdict,

00:47:47.429 --> 00:47:50.190
then you only get one shot, right? Like you can

00:47:50.190 --> 00:47:52.070
only charge him one time. And if you didn't get

00:47:52.070 --> 00:47:53.630
it right, then he's going to walk free. So like

00:47:53.630 --> 00:47:56.940
you said, they're trying to make sure that They

00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:59.099
get the situation right and they get him on a

00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:00.820
charge that will stick because I think that they

00:48:00.820 --> 00:48:03.860
know that he did it. They are missing some of

00:48:03.860 --> 00:48:07.320
the intricate pieces of how he did it and how

00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.380
where, you know, how the body got events leading

00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:13.599
up to it. They need solid evidence, solid proof.

00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.500
Exactly. Because I think they came to the conclusion

00:48:16.500 --> 00:48:18.099
that he's the one that did it. But they don't

00:48:18.099 --> 00:48:21.099
have, like you said, each step by step event

00:48:21.099 --> 00:48:23.239
of how this took place. And I think if they don't,

00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:25.909
you know, if they're not careful, they're just

00:48:25.909 --> 00:48:28.909
gonna have to take their time and figure it out

00:48:28.909 --> 00:48:31.489
and question the right people and get to it.

00:48:32.070 --> 00:48:34.409
And oh, one last, I have a topic that I really

00:48:34.409 --> 00:48:37.949
wanna talk about before we end. So you texted

00:48:37.949 --> 00:48:42.530
me last week and you were like, hey, you should

00:48:42.530 --> 00:48:45.570
watch Reality Check Inside America's Next Top

00:48:45.570 --> 00:48:49.409
Model. It's a Tyra Banks documentary. And remember

00:48:49.409 --> 00:48:52.030
I texted you back and I was like, I didn't watch

00:48:52.030 --> 00:48:54.289
America's Next Top Model, so I don't think I'll

00:48:54.289 --> 00:48:56.869
understand that. And you were like, oh, trust

00:48:56.869 --> 00:49:00.690
me, you'll understand it. So I watched the documentary.

00:49:00.769 --> 00:49:04.210
There's a three part documentary. And I watched

00:49:04.210 --> 00:49:07.769
it. And I did not watch any of America's Next

00:49:07.769 --> 00:49:10.570
Top Model. But trust me, I understand what took

00:49:10.570 --> 00:49:13.070
place. And I know that this show was like this

00:49:13.070 --> 00:49:16.250
huge phenomenon back in the early 2000s. And

00:49:16.250 --> 00:49:19.150
apparently, yes, it was. It was so funny because

00:49:19.150 --> 00:49:23.579
I remember It would come on on Wednesdays. So

00:49:23.579 --> 00:49:27.340
it would be funny story. So my friends and I,

00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:31.300
we are all working within like in what we call

00:49:31.300 --> 00:49:33.519
downtown Vancouver. So we're all working in downtown

00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:35.579
Vancouver. We would make our way to downtown

00:49:35.579 --> 00:49:39.500
Vancouver because they would have a ladies like

00:49:39.500 --> 00:49:42.519
day or night type of thing like that. So we would

00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:45.239
eat. appetizers was like happy hour and then

00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:48.099
we'd have some wine there and then we would go

00:49:48.099 --> 00:49:50.699
home to my friends one of our friends places

00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:53.079
and watch America's Next Top Model. It was like

00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:56.679
every Wednesday basically we would do this. So

00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.539
did you watch all 24 cycles because apparently

00:49:59.539 --> 00:50:05.340
I think I stopped watching it after the Jays

00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:10.429
left and Nigel Barker left. Oh, so towards the

00:50:10.429 --> 00:50:12.230
end, because I think that happened around cycle

00:50:12.230 --> 00:50:14.789
1920, right? I believe so that was closer towards

00:50:14.789 --> 00:50:18.230
the end of the series. Yeah, because I remember

00:50:18.230 --> 00:50:20.369
you saying like, I don't want to watch that.

00:50:20.650 --> 00:50:22.369
I don't like I didn't watch America's Next Top

00:50:22.369 --> 00:50:26.989
Model. I'm like, you won't you won't like I haven't

00:50:26.989 --> 00:50:30.050
watched it in years. And the only reason why

00:50:30.050 --> 00:50:33.889
this is beginning to be a topic again, and a

00:50:33.889 --> 00:50:37.369
documentary was created because people were rewatching

00:50:37.369 --> 00:50:41.539
it. during COVID, during like, and they were

00:50:41.539 --> 00:50:45.860
just appalled by the - That's the crazy thing

00:50:45.860 --> 00:50:47.840
because so many people watched the show when

00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:50.780
it aired and nobody thought anything of it. But

00:50:50.780 --> 00:50:53.119
then, you know, they waited 10, 15 years and

00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:55.300
watched it again. And then there was a lot of

00:50:55.300 --> 00:50:58.320
outrage. Well, no, these were new people watching.

00:50:58.420 --> 00:51:01.320
This was a new generation watching it, basically.

00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:04.260
We watched, I don't want to say we, but our generation

00:51:04.260 --> 00:51:06.800
watched it and nobody thought anything of it.

00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.760
But then when the newer generation went and watched

00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.519
it for the first time, they were like, oh my

00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:14.539
God, this is horrible. I can't believe the things

00:51:14.539 --> 00:51:17.760
that are happening. And watching it and hearing

00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.079
a lot of the contestants talk about what they

00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.940
experienced, I'm not gonna lie, Gina, it was

00:51:24.940 --> 00:51:27.440
pretty bad. And I'm not trying to be like one

00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:31.719
of those pansy generations, but the one girl

00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:36.099
said that her... her mom passed away in gun violence

00:51:36.099 --> 00:51:42.019
and a photo shoot of her as someone who was shot

00:51:42.019 --> 00:51:46.320
and killed in gun violence. And when they asked

00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.300
the producers and Tyra about it, you know, they're

00:51:49.300 --> 00:51:53.139
like, oh, well. Creative is in control of those

00:51:53.139 --> 00:51:55.679
type of things. I don't really have a say in

00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:00.840
it. And looking back, that is extremely distasteful.

00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:07.219
It's almost immoral to have someone go through

00:52:07.219 --> 00:52:11.900
that. It's a trigger. Well, right and a lot of

00:52:11.900 --> 00:52:13.719
the things that I was watching because you know

00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:16.440
I didn't watch one single episode a lot of the

00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.699
the Challenges and photo shoots and things that

00:52:18.699 --> 00:52:22.099
they did were so outlandish and crazy. It almost

00:52:22.099 --> 00:52:26.699
was like a mockery of The model industry because

00:52:26.699 --> 00:52:29.699
none of this was realistic not nobody would ever

00:52:29.699 --> 00:52:33.079
go and do these type of photo shoots and in the

00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:36.400
every season and every season season every cycle

00:52:36.619 --> 00:52:39.360
it would get weirder and weirder. And I think

00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.400
that at the point of it where the show started

00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:47.619
to become a circus is when people started to

00:52:47.619 --> 00:52:50.099
get outraged because I think I'm not going to

00:52:50.099 --> 00:52:51.480
lie to you. I think in the beginning, I think

00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:54.019
Tyra had an idea for a show and she had good

00:52:54.019 --> 00:52:57.989
intentions. Mm hmm. The show. Like after the

00:52:57.989 --> 00:53:00.090
first season, it became this huge deal and it

00:53:00.090 --> 00:53:01.730
got renewed for a second season. And then after

00:53:01.730 --> 00:53:04.869
the third season, it was just a phenomenon. And

00:53:04.869 --> 00:53:07.269
when a network knows that they have a money cash

00:53:07.269 --> 00:53:09.869
cow phenomenon on their hands, they're like,

00:53:09.889 --> 00:53:12.710
well, what can we do to outdo this? How can we

00:53:12.710 --> 00:53:14.409
make the numbers better and better? And it's

00:53:14.409 --> 00:53:17.949
always what can we do to get more money? And

00:53:17.949 --> 00:53:22.190
I think Tyra started getting less and less control.

00:53:22.690 --> 00:53:26.239
I think she was more so just the host and the

00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:28.460
network was like, well, this is our baby now.

00:53:28.460 --> 00:53:29.860
We're going to take it and we're going to make

00:53:29.860 --> 00:53:32.619
as much money out of it as possible. And I do

00:53:32.619 --> 00:53:34.300
blame her a little bit, though, because at the

00:53:34.300 --> 00:53:38.039
end of the day, she went along with it. Right.

00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:41.380
And everything was like, if you like, it was

00:53:41.380 --> 00:53:42.719
funny because I remember you're like, oh, you

00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:44.480
have to watch it. You're like, oh, I remember

00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.139
these models. I'm like, dude, this was like 15.

00:53:47.820 --> 00:53:51.300
16, 17 years ago, I don't remember half of the

00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:54.280
models on there. But if you bring up their story

00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.219
again, it's going to come like it's going to

00:53:56.219 --> 00:53:58.760
come back in my flashbacks, right? Like, oh,

00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:04.380
right. Oh, yes, this happened. And like what

00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:09.780
I found so and I'm not even an African American

00:54:09.780 --> 00:54:12.679
descent or anything like that. The fact of what

00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.820
they would do, they would take them to the hairdresser.

00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:22.179
And it wasn't even somebody educated to work

00:54:22.179 --> 00:54:28.019
on particular pictures of women's hair. I'm going

00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:30.760
to be as politically correct as I can be. So

00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.880
I had to choose my words very wisely because

00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:41.159
I'm not like that. And to give a woman of African

00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:44.980
descent or African -American descent shave her

00:54:44.980 --> 00:54:48.480
head, have bald spots, and couldn't take her

00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:54.039
to a proper hairdresser who specializes in doing

00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:58.400
women's hair of African descent was completely

00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:05.730
disrespectful to women of color. Not only that,

00:55:05.849 --> 00:55:08.469
Gina, but if you remember that same model, I

00:55:08.469 --> 00:55:11.269
can't remember her name, but she said that they

00:55:11.269 --> 00:55:13.690
were really nasty to her because they were like,

00:55:13.869 --> 00:55:17.789
oh, well, your skin is ashy and we have to retouch

00:55:17.789 --> 00:55:20.670
your photos and you just don't photo well and

00:55:20.670 --> 00:55:22.750
you should take better care of your skin. Like

00:55:22.750 --> 00:55:25.289
it was almost like they were treating her differently.

00:55:25.980 --> 00:55:28.760
because her skin was darker. But in the end,

00:55:29.179 --> 00:55:31.699
they said that they chose her to be on the show

00:55:31.699 --> 00:55:34.639
as a contestant because she was different. And

00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:36.719
then they turned it around and flipped it on

00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:39.980
her and made it seem like she was a problem because

00:55:39.980 --> 00:55:43.360
she was different, which I don't know. The whole

00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:46.179
thing was just crazy to me. It's crazy in many,

00:55:46.179 --> 00:55:47.980
many ways because there are so many people that

00:55:47.980 --> 00:55:50.480
were involved in the show. And now that they

00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:53.119
were speaking in the documentary, no, none of

00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.369
them wanted to... justify what they did. They

00:55:56.369 --> 00:55:58.989
all wanted to act as though, well, that's not

00:55:58.989 --> 00:56:01.349
me. I wouldn't have done that. This they no one

00:56:01.349 --> 00:56:03.590
took any accountability. I guess that's what

00:56:03.590 --> 00:56:07.050
I put in the documentary Tyra took zero accountability.

00:56:07.789 --> 00:56:12.550
Um, one what was the guy's name? Jay? Miss Jay?

00:56:13.010 --> 00:56:14.750
He didn't take a lot of accountability. What

00:56:14.750 --> 00:56:16.469
was the other guy's name? His last name was Manuel.

00:56:16.570 --> 00:56:18.969
He didn't take a lot of accountability. J. J.

00:56:18.969 --> 00:56:22.090
Manuel, J. Manuel, like none of the people really

00:56:22.090 --> 00:56:25.980
were like, well, I didn't Here's the thing, I

00:56:25.980 --> 00:56:31.920
think, because they're all Tyra's puppets, basically.

00:56:33.300 --> 00:56:37.239
They could have stand up, yes, for what they

00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:41.440
believed in, but at the same time, they were

00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:46.860
basically reporting to her, basically. I'm not

00:56:46.860 --> 00:56:52.219
taking sides, but I did respect the fact that

00:56:52.219 --> 00:56:57.730
Jay Manuel said, um from South Africa and to

00:56:57.730 --> 00:57:02.190
make Caucasian girls with blackface and vice

00:57:02.190 --> 00:57:06.590
versa was like he was repulsed by it but he had

00:57:06.590 --> 00:57:11.050
a job to do yeah at the end of the day he had

00:57:11.050 --> 00:57:15.409
a job to do and that was his job what is right

00:57:15.409 --> 00:57:18.190
what a scary situation to be in you know like

00:57:18.190 --> 00:57:21.349
to Because, you know, in 2026, if we did this,

00:57:21.429 --> 00:57:23.789
you would never work again. You know, like, we

00:57:23.789 --> 00:57:25.949
don't do blackface. We don't do white, but we

00:57:25.949 --> 00:57:30.929
don't do that. No. Like when one of the other

00:57:30.929 --> 00:57:33.829
girls, I forgot her name. She said, I did not

00:57:33.829 --> 00:57:39.190
feel comfortable with that person up on me. And

00:57:39.190 --> 00:57:43.449
I asked to stop. right, with one of those dancers

00:57:43.449 --> 00:57:47.329
wearing like a loincloth or whatnot. She was

00:57:47.329 --> 00:57:50.230
standing up for what she believed in, but they

00:57:50.230 --> 00:57:52.250
said, oh, all the other models were fine with

00:57:52.250 --> 00:57:55.210
it. Yeah, but it just depends on a person's comfort

00:57:55.210 --> 00:58:00.710
level. You don't know what like, like I was watching

00:58:00.710 --> 00:58:04.010
some reels, like this girl could have been molested.

00:58:05.070 --> 00:58:07.610
Or like, and that's the thing, you have to put

00:58:07.610 --> 00:58:10.929
everyone's feelings into perspective of how they

00:58:10.929 --> 00:58:13.289
feel and why they feel like that. And you can

00:58:13.289 --> 00:58:16.690
take it off camera. And just like the fact that

00:58:16.690 --> 00:58:20.070
they made that girl, like gave her, fed her,

00:58:20.130 --> 00:58:23.730
the other girl fed her booze, like on an empty

00:58:23.730 --> 00:58:26.989
stomach. These girls are not eating. These girls

00:58:26.989 --> 00:58:31.369
are very malnourished. Right. And she slept and

00:58:31.369 --> 00:58:35.489
she cheated on her boyfriend. And then afterwards,

00:58:35.750 --> 00:58:41.449
Tyra is just like, put her under the train tracks.

00:58:41.849 --> 00:58:45.429
And she was the conductor of the train and drove

00:58:45.429 --> 00:58:51.449
over. Yeah. I was just shocked. Like, I didn't

00:58:51.449 --> 00:58:53.630
know what to expect. Like I told you, I had never

00:58:53.630 --> 00:58:56.090
watched the show a day in my life. I didn't know

00:58:56.090 --> 00:58:58.150
what to expect. I knew it existed, you know?

00:58:58.389 --> 00:59:00.190
You'd have to live under a rock to know that

00:59:00.190 --> 00:59:03.670
that show didn't exist. But the fact that they

00:59:03.670 --> 00:59:06.670
recorded that girl's rape and then tried to make

00:59:06.670 --> 00:59:10.019
it out that she was a cheater and... What was

00:59:10.019 --> 00:59:13.679
insanity, Gina? I was so appalled. I was like,

00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.460
I could not believe this happened. This is a

00:59:16.460 --> 00:59:19.460
part of pop culture that I missed, but holy shit.

00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:24.559
This whole show, this whole crazy situation that

00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:26.960
took place, it just really makes you wonder.

00:59:27.500 --> 00:59:29.280
And you know what else? We talked about this

00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.039
previously. Remember there was a show called

00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:34.980
The Biggest Loser? They did a documentary on

00:59:34.980 --> 00:59:37.039
that and they discussed how they were exploiting

00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:39.719
overweight people. for that show, because when

00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:42.400
you talk about a TV show, TV shows have to have

00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:44.880
ratings and they have to have ad revenue and

00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:46.820
they have to generate money. And I think a lot

00:59:46.820 --> 00:59:49.019
of people are like, oh, well, this show is helping

00:59:49.019 --> 00:59:50.699
overweight people or this show is helping models.

00:59:51.179 --> 00:59:53.360
TV shows aren't really created to help people.

00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.460
That's not what they're for. TV shows are created

00:59:56.460 --> 01:00:00.000
to generate revenue. So if you're getting cast

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.019
on a TV show, regardless of what they're telling

01:00:02.019 --> 01:00:05.699
you it's about, there's an agenda. The agenda

01:00:05.699 --> 01:00:08.280
is to make money. And if they have to exploit

01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:11.300
you to make their money, they're going to do

01:00:11.300 --> 01:00:14.099
that. Right? Like exactly. That's the one thing

01:00:14.099 --> 01:00:16.000
that we've learned. And no matter what their

01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.360
messages or what they tell people or what the

01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:22.239
trailer, the heartfelt trailer is about what

01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:23.860
the show is about, it's not really about that.

01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:26.159
At the end of the day, they need to make millions

01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:27.960
of dollars because there's hundreds of people

01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:29.739
working on the production of that. They need

01:00:29.739 --> 01:00:32.219
to make a profit off of you. If you're not profitable,

01:00:32.219 --> 01:00:36.659
you're not. you're disposable to them. That's

01:00:36.659 --> 01:00:39.460
the fact that America's Next Top Model made it

01:00:39.460 --> 01:00:42.739
for 24 seasons. The way they were treating people,

01:00:42.940 --> 01:00:47.380
it just shows you the corporate greed. And the

01:00:47.380 --> 01:00:49.460
fact that Tyra was just well, I don't want to

01:00:49.460 --> 01:00:51.599
blame Tyra. She wasn't there for 24 seasons because

01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:53.480
apparently, Gina, they fired her and hired Rita

01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:56.730
Oren. I didn't know that. Cause you know, I didn't

01:00:56.730 --> 01:00:58.889
watch shows. So they fired Tarvace from her own

01:00:58.889 --> 01:01:01.449
show. That shows you how cutthroat the entertainment

01:01:01.449 --> 01:01:04.329
industry can really be. Because imagine you go

01:01:04.329 --> 01:01:06.750
to a network, you sell your show to the network.

01:01:06.869 --> 01:01:09.190
It's your baby. You created it. It's every idea

01:01:09.190 --> 01:01:11.530
that you've ever come up with. And then later

01:01:11.530 --> 01:01:13.449
down the line, they tell you that you're no longer

01:01:13.449 --> 01:01:15.289
a part of your own idea. That's how cutthroat

01:01:15.289 --> 01:01:21.130
the industry can be. Yeah. And it's scary, but

01:01:21.130 --> 01:01:24.429
like, Like I said, I stopped watching it because

01:01:24.429 --> 01:01:28.670
I was bored out of my mind. And like, and the

01:01:28.670 --> 01:01:33.789
thing is, like, not that I have a, like, basically

01:01:33.789 --> 01:01:39.329
the outbursts, the uncalled actions from like

01:01:39.329 --> 01:01:43.119
Janis Dickinson. prior banks with like, and everyone

01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:47.260
knows the, we were rooting for you line. Um,

01:01:47.260 --> 01:01:50.760
everyone knows that. And then Janice Dickinson

01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:55.059
saying you're like, you're, you look like a boy.

01:01:55.260 --> 01:01:58.500
You look like the, like that's degrading. Like,

01:01:58.699 --> 01:02:03.079
how could you say that about anybody? Like it

01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:06.539
was basically abuse. They were verbally and emotionally

01:02:06.539 --> 01:02:09.340
abusing girls for wanting to chase after a dream.

01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:11.550
It's like you. You promise like, oh, we're going

01:02:11.550 --> 01:02:14.150
to make you America's next top model if we don't

01:02:14.150 --> 01:02:16.469
destroy you from the inside first. You know,

01:02:16.469 --> 01:02:19.670
like it's almost if you can take us tearing you

01:02:19.670 --> 01:02:22.090
down, making you feel inadequate and making you

01:02:22.090 --> 01:02:26.289
feel ugly, then you might be a model. Like that's

01:02:26.289 --> 01:02:28.150
such a horrible thing that it's like dangling

01:02:28.150 --> 01:02:29.530
something over someone's head. You know that

01:02:29.530 --> 01:02:31.690
they want it. And then instead of giving them

01:02:31.690 --> 01:02:34.570
what they want, you tear them down. Well, not

01:02:34.570 --> 01:02:37.530
only that, a lot of them after they won, they

01:02:37.530 --> 01:02:41.519
didn't get any modeling jobs. See, I figured

01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:43.460
as much. I didn't watch the show, but I realized

01:02:43.460 --> 01:02:46.280
after American Idol made a few celebrities. Because,

01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:48.079
you know, American Idol still comes on today.

01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.059
And you'll never know who won because you'll

01:02:51.059 --> 01:02:52.940
never hear of that person ever again. And I was

01:02:52.940 --> 01:02:56.139
like, I'm sure it would be impossible to create

01:02:56.139 --> 01:02:59.719
25 next top models, right? Like, that's not how

01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:01.460
it works. So I'm pretty sure after the first

01:03:01.460 --> 01:03:03.940
person won, they might have gotten a couple of

01:03:03.940 --> 01:03:05.719
things that they promised. And then they just

01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.460
because it's impossible to make a celebrity.

01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:13.139
They're not lab grown. You can't create what

01:03:13.139 --> 01:03:16.400
you think the modeling industry would want. And

01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:19.179
unfortunately, they learned the hard way that

01:03:19.179 --> 01:03:22.079
they were building and selling a pipe dream to

01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:24.260
these girls. You can't make someone a top model.

01:03:24.780 --> 01:03:26.800
To become a top model, and Tyra herself should

01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:30.039
have known this firsthand, it takes... talent,

01:03:30.539 --> 01:03:33.739
it takes something special within yourself. Like

01:03:33.739 --> 01:03:35.840
in order for you to be the best of the best,

01:03:36.019 --> 01:03:38.099
that isn't necessarily something you can go and

01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:40.079
teach other people how to do. Like Michael Jordan

01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:42.119
couldn't really teach other people how to be

01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:44.079
the best basketball player in the world. It's

01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:46.079
just something you're born with. And I think

01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.360
Tyra should have known that. Some people are

01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:50.980
born to be supermodels and some people are not.

01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:53.380
And telling people that it's in there for everyone

01:03:53.380 --> 01:03:58.559
to figure out how to find is a lie. Well, I think

01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:03.039
there was only three to four Models from this

01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:08.920
whole entire series That were successful. There

01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:14.239
is the one girl who was transgender Who had like

01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.940
the market? I don't want to call it a disease

01:04:16.940 --> 01:04:20.000
I I don't know what the medical term is for it

01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.900
on her body. I forgot she's beautiful and there's

01:04:23.900 --> 01:04:28.210
the other girl who they considered as plus size,

01:04:28.690 --> 01:04:33.449
right? And they didn't have a size six, the smallest

01:04:33.449 --> 01:04:35.530
size they had was a size two. And she was saying

01:04:35.530 --> 01:04:42.150
that I only made it because I was like, I broke

01:04:42.150 --> 01:04:45.750
the shell of being a plus size model. Because

01:04:45.750 --> 01:04:49.110
at that time, there wasn't many plus size models.

01:04:49.530 --> 01:04:53.900
But looking at her before when she was on America's

01:04:53.900 --> 01:04:56.980
Next Top Model, she wasn't even plus size. She

01:04:56.980 --> 01:05:02.760
was a normal, healthy weight. Yeah, I saw that.

01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:05.579
I was like calling her overweight or plus size

01:05:05.579 --> 01:05:09.860
is so crazy because I remember watching it and

01:05:09.860 --> 01:05:11.800
I was watching it with someone and I turned to

01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:13.659
the person I was watching it with and I was like,

01:05:13.940 --> 01:05:15.820
where's the plus size person that they're talking

01:05:15.820 --> 01:05:18.679
about? And I was like, cause I don't see any

01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:22.400
overweight or larger people in this shot. So

01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:24.340
I was like, where's the plus size girl that they

01:05:24.340 --> 01:05:26.599
keep referring to? Cause the only girl I see

01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:29.480
is skinny. So I was really, I was like, wow,

01:05:29.659 --> 01:05:32.360
they're calling her plus size when she's literally

01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:35.019
like a normal size human being. That's insane.

01:05:36.139 --> 01:05:41.449
Exactly. So it just. baffles me and I'm glad

01:05:41.449 --> 01:05:45.610
now like we always say the internet has its good

01:05:45.610 --> 01:05:48.329
has its bad the social media has its good has

01:05:48.329 --> 01:05:52.110
its bad but and we don't need any more influencers

01:05:52.110 --> 01:05:55.610
but realistically they they said it they're like

01:05:55.610 --> 01:05:59.610
oh like we don't need America's Next Top Model

01:05:59.610 --> 01:06:02.349
now because it's not about what's on the TV I

01:06:02.349 --> 01:06:04.130
can't even remember the last time I turned on

01:06:04.130 --> 01:06:10.610
my TV right I'm on mostly Like streaming like

01:06:10.610 --> 01:06:13.469
my stuff like streaming stuff online or on Netflix

01:06:13.469 --> 01:06:18.329
or on Whatever discovery or whatever, right?

01:06:18.369 --> 01:06:20.590
Those are the shows I'm watching I'm not watching

01:06:20.590 --> 01:06:23.510
anything that's on TV a lot of these models We're

01:06:23.510 --> 01:06:25.929
working towards print work and magazines and

01:06:25.929 --> 01:06:28.130
Gina when was the last time you picked up a magazine?

01:06:29.130 --> 01:06:32.150
Exactly. And the thing is at the end of and most

01:06:32.150 --> 01:06:35.409
of these models most of these people it's like

01:06:35.409 --> 01:06:39.119
now it's all influencers. They don't need to

01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:42.400
break through those doors. If the internet likes

01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.440
you, if social media likes you, you get a following,

01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:49.139
you're in. Yeah, you're kind of your own agency.

01:06:49.340 --> 01:06:52.440
Like you said, exactly. You build your own following,

01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:55.460
then you don't need to be America's Next Top

01:06:55.460 --> 01:06:57.980
Model or America's Next Top Influencer. You are

01:06:57.980 --> 01:07:00.719
your. You are the influencer. If you can build

01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:03.500
a following, you don't need approval. And that's

01:07:03.500 --> 01:07:05.239
what these girls were seeking on this show. They

01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:07.940
needed Tyra's approval and Jay's approval and

01:07:07.940 --> 01:07:10.239
Miss Jay's approval. You don't need that anymore.

01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:12.980
And I think that the world has shifted in a positive

01:07:12.980 --> 01:07:15.579
way in that in that aspect because you can exactly

01:07:15.579 --> 01:07:18.960
you can decide what your avenue is. You put yourself

01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:22.000
out there and you build your own following and

01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:27.360
you you build your own empire. Like look at Andrina.

01:07:27.530 --> 01:07:31.829
from Love Island. She works for a modeling agency.

01:07:32.230 --> 01:07:35.170
She was doing it before she went on Love Island,

01:07:35.289 --> 01:07:38.789
right? So because there is print ads of her,

01:07:38.789 --> 01:07:41.849
like for different clothings. She posted it the

01:07:41.849 --> 01:07:49.250
other day. And obviously she didn't need an America's

01:07:49.250 --> 01:07:51.730
Next Top Model. If she's good at what she does,

01:07:51.750 --> 01:07:55.389
she's tall. Like she has an athletic build. She's

01:07:55.389 --> 01:07:57.530
tall. She's Hispanic. She like, she had already

01:07:57.530 --> 01:08:01.849
the following rate. She like, yeah, I love Island

01:08:01.849 --> 01:08:04.170
might've put her boot boosted it more, but she

01:08:04.170 --> 01:08:06.949
was already signed to a modeling agency. I think

01:08:06.949 --> 01:08:10.710
it will let me not, but don't quote me on that.

01:08:12.329 --> 01:08:17.029
Yeah. Yeah, I was very shocked by it. But you

01:08:17.029 --> 01:08:19.810
know, it is what it is. And I think a lot of

01:08:19.810 --> 01:08:22.750
times we see things that happened 20, 30 years

01:08:22.750 --> 01:08:25.829
ago. And my favorite thing to say is, ooh, that

01:08:25.829 --> 01:08:28.069
didn't age well. You know, I say that a lot.

01:08:28.590 --> 01:08:30.409
And I think America's Next Top Model is going

01:08:30.409 --> 01:08:33.050
to always fall into that category, that didn't

01:08:33.050 --> 01:08:34.750
age well. Because, you know, we've become more

01:08:34.750 --> 01:08:39.340
accepting as a generation as a nation of different

01:08:39.340 --> 01:08:41.859
types of people, different types of weights,

01:08:42.180 --> 01:08:46.420
looks, hair, everything. Like we're so much more

01:08:46.420 --> 01:08:49.520
open to letting people be who they are. And I

01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:52.500
think that show was teaching people that to be

01:08:52.500 --> 01:08:54.340
a model, you have to look a certain way. You

01:08:54.340 --> 01:08:56.939
have to weigh a certain way. You have to fit

01:08:56.939 --> 01:08:59.539
into a mold. And I think that You know, in this

01:08:59.539 --> 01:09:01.600
generation, we've broken that mold and we're

01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.539
just letting people be who they want. And if

01:09:04.539 --> 01:09:06.920
you want to be a model, you don't have to starve

01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:09.439
yourself to do that. You can you can look how

01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:11.760
you look and be who you want to be. And I think

01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:15.439
that normally the world goes in the wrong direction.

01:09:15.500 --> 01:09:17.439
But I think we have moved in the right direction

01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.560
with that. We're letting people be who they are

01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:22.619
and express themselves the way that they want

01:09:22.619 --> 01:09:26.000
to and stop. Telling people to fit into a tiny

01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.500
little mold of a box of what they should be I

01:09:28.500 --> 01:09:30.239
think we have moved in the right direction for

01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:34.140
that Me too. So I'm glad it took like like we

01:09:34.140 --> 01:09:36.779
say like we're so thankful social like social

01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:41.000
media didn't exist But then for the cases like

01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.319
this, we're so happy that it exists right because

01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:49.619
it broke the barriers it broke like Like it made

01:09:49.619 --> 01:09:53.689
society look at things differently Yeah, and

01:09:53.689 --> 01:09:56.729
we needed that. We needed that open look. When

01:09:56.729 --> 01:10:00.029
we were letting magazines tell us what models

01:10:00.029 --> 01:10:02.449
are supposed to look like, we were missing so

01:10:02.449 --> 01:10:05.909
much beauty and authenticity because the people

01:10:05.909 --> 01:10:08.390
who put those magazines out didn't understand

01:10:08.390 --> 01:10:11.409
what beauty was. So now that we're allowing people

01:10:11.409 --> 01:10:13.069
to express themselves, and social media does

01:10:13.069 --> 01:10:15.270
that, there's women that... who's never been

01:10:15.270 --> 01:10:17.090
signed to an agency, but they post their own

01:10:17.090 --> 01:10:18.949
photos and they do their own photo shoots. And

01:10:18.949 --> 01:10:23.029
now we get to see that level of beauty that magazines

01:10:23.029 --> 01:10:25.390
and modeling agencies would have never allowed

01:10:25.390 --> 01:10:27.829
us to see. So we are moving in the right direction,

01:10:28.069 --> 01:10:30.609
sometimes, usually in the right direction. But

01:10:30.609 --> 01:10:32.729
this particular instance, we are moving in the

01:10:32.729 --> 01:10:35.640
right direction. Yeah, I'm so happy I convinced

01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:37.760
you to watch it. I was just like just watch it.

01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:41.100
Just watch it I was like why would I watch this?

01:10:41.180 --> 01:10:43.420
This would be I would this wouldn't be such a

01:10:43.420 --> 01:10:46.079
waste of time and then when I was like 40 minutes

01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:48.479
into the first episode I was like, let me pause

01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:50.420
it and get some popcorn because this is good.

01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:53.460
Like this is good I thought like let me pause

01:10:53.460 --> 01:10:55.779
this cuz I'm gonna pop some popcorn and get some

01:10:55.779 --> 01:10:58.300
some Coke zero cuz we're getting deep into this

01:10:58.300 --> 01:11:01.689
now like I'm in it Like I told you I was just

01:11:01.689 --> 01:11:04.930
like what did I say? I'd like trust me. You don't

01:11:04.930 --> 01:11:07.010
need to know the history I never watched that

01:11:07.010 --> 01:11:10.689
model before but your stubborn ass was not listening

01:11:10.689 --> 01:11:12.949
to me and then I'm just like why don't you just

01:11:12.949 --> 01:11:15.909
like chill out like just watch it and Then you

01:11:15.909 --> 01:11:18.050
can be on my level and then as soon as I saw

01:11:18.050 --> 01:11:21.770
you reposting Tyra Banks memes from that episode

01:11:21.770 --> 01:11:23.909
were in the jacket. People are saying she looks

01:11:23.909 --> 01:11:28.890
like she's in like Carmen San Diego. I was just

01:11:28.890 --> 01:11:32.350
like, oh, I think he watched it. I think he watched

01:11:32.350 --> 01:11:36.250
it. As soon as I was done, I was reposting the

01:11:36.250 --> 01:11:39.149
memes immediately because I was like, this is

01:11:39.149 --> 01:11:42.449
crazy. So anytime someone texts me and it's something

01:11:42.449 --> 01:11:44.510
that they're saying that I did something wrong,

01:11:44.750 --> 01:11:47.819
I text back the picture of Tyra. the one that

01:11:47.819 --> 01:11:50.979
I posted because I'm like when you are getting

01:11:50.979 --> 01:11:53.100
called out but you refuse to take accountability

01:11:53.100 --> 01:11:59.779
I post that photo now I know what photos to send

01:11:59.779 --> 01:12:04.079
you a lot like mm -hmm like either Mariah Carey

01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:08.460
or the tire bags because I'm not taking any accountability

01:12:08.460 --> 01:12:11.079
so you know that's definitely what you send me

01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:13.140
because if accountability comes knocking on my

01:12:13.140 --> 01:12:15.899
door you're like I don't know what you're talking

01:12:15.899 --> 01:12:19.619
about Right. Like, that was creative. That wasn't

01:12:19.619 --> 01:12:21.640
me. I don't know anything about that. I'm just

01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:26.520
taking the Tyra Banks way out every time. Exactly.

01:12:26.659 --> 01:12:28.859
We'll just put your face on it instead of her

01:12:28.859 --> 01:12:33.260
face. That wasn't me. This was fun, Gina. It's

01:12:33.260 --> 01:12:35.460
been a minute. I know. It's been a long time.

01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:38.300
I know. We gotta stop that. We gotta be more

01:12:38.300 --> 01:12:40.279
consistent. I don't know why I'm saying we. It's

01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:44.279
me. I'm the one that's not. Yeah, we were supposed

01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:47.140
to actually do this a few days ago, but I think

01:12:47.140 --> 01:12:50.479
something came up with you. Was it yesterday?

01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:53.260
Yeah, you know me. I'm always in a crisis of

01:12:53.260 --> 01:12:59.300
some sort. Exactly. So it's not me. I just prioritize

01:12:59.300 --> 01:13:02.819
by gym life instead. I'd be like, OK, I can only

01:13:02.819 --> 01:13:06.260
do a pod. Cause you had messaged me in the afternoon.

01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:08.880
It was the afternoon here and like, Oh, do you

01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:10.340
want to do a pot tonight? I'm like, sure. I'm

01:13:10.340 --> 01:13:12.140
down. Right. But it will have to be after the

01:13:12.140 --> 01:13:14.920
gym. Right. But I'll message you when I get home.

01:13:15.300 --> 01:13:19.100
And then, um, yeah. And then something came up

01:13:19.100 --> 01:13:23.319
on your end. So I'm like, okay. I had every intention

01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:27.520
of doing it too. my whole you know me everything

01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:30.399
happens in crisis mode and all of a sudden shit

01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:33.000
started going crazy and I was just like oh great

01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:34.920
I'm not gonna be able to do that and you know

01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:37.579
so yeah you know me so I have a plane to catch

01:13:37.579 --> 01:13:40.260
in the morning so you know I'm still putting

01:13:40.260 --> 01:13:43.340
out fires but you know you know me yeah I know

01:13:43.340 --> 01:13:46.279
I've been trying to put up fires for like three

01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:50.880
days because I guess I can share it so I tried

01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.960
to go see Backstreet Boys again in July and August

01:13:54.170 --> 01:13:57.470
and our lovely co -host Coco is going to come

01:13:57.470 --> 01:14:01.670
if I can score reasonable tickets. And every

01:14:01.670 --> 01:14:05.689
ticket, every, okay, the waiting room, George,

01:14:06.210 --> 01:14:07.930
you will never believe how many people are in

01:14:07.930 --> 01:14:11.229
the waiting room for tickets to go on sale. I

01:14:11.229 --> 01:14:15.159
had 25 ,000 at one point. 30 ,000 people in front

01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:17.739
of me, 25 ,000 people in front of me. Today I

01:14:17.739 --> 01:14:20.000
had, because they keep on releasing more dates.

01:14:20.979 --> 01:14:23.560
Today I had 8 ,000 people in front of me and

01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.460
I'm like, you gotta be out of your goddamn mind.

01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:33.899
I am not spending 700 to a thousand US to go

01:14:33.899 --> 01:14:38.180
see them. I'm sorry, I put my limit and I'm sticking

01:14:38.180 --> 01:14:44.590
to that what my limit is and our co -host. Good

01:14:44.590 --> 01:14:47.489
for you because that's ridiculous. I don't love

01:14:47.489 --> 01:14:49.770
anyone enough to pay that much to see them like

01:14:49.770 --> 01:14:52.289
for that They would have to take me out on a

01:14:52.289 --> 01:14:54.850
date Like I don't know you'd have to take me

01:14:54.850 --> 01:14:57.609
out for like filet mignon Like I just pay in

01:14:57.609 --> 01:14:59.250
that you got to take me out to and then take

01:14:59.250 --> 01:15:02.270
well after Here's the thing that I know with

01:15:02.270 --> 01:15:07.170
pre -sales They'll only release an X amount of

01:15:07.170 --> 01:15:10.770
tickets Right like a certain amount of tickets.

01:15:11.170 --> 01:15:14.640
They'll release it per pre -sale The thing is,

01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:18.800
tickets go on sale tomorrow for the general public.

01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:22.079
So me and my friend are going to see what that's

01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:28.439
going to be like tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll

01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:31.579
see. We'll see. And you know what? Maybe I'm

01:15:31.579 --> 01:15:34.000
just not meant to see them in Vegas this summer.

01:15:34.100 --> 01:15:37.500
Maybe I'll have to do a Christmas or January

01:15:37.500 --> 01:15:41.520
shows if they could perform in Vegas in December

01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:44.619
or in January. I'm sure they will. They perform.

01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:47.560
I'm sure they will too because I've heard they've

01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:52.399
signed a three -year contract. So with with the

01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:59.840
sphere. So we're only on year two. So yeah, my

01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:03.380
heart broke. I'm like, oh, not again. I have

01:16:03.380 --> 01:16:05.819
to go through this again tomorrow. I have to

01:16:05.819 --> 01:16:10.140
go through this anxiety tomorrow. I'm sorry.

01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:12.880
Well, I hope you get the tickets. I hope it's

01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:16.399
not too stressful. But don't don't spend mortgage

01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.460
prices on them. Don't you know, that's one thing

01:16:19.460 --> 01:16:22.420
I'm not doing. Like I was talking to my girlfriends

01:16:22.420 --> 01:16:25.319
on that we had a group chat going on. And I'm

01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:28.619
like, I have to set a limit for myself because

01:16:28.619 --> 01:16:31.239
there's so many things that I want to do. that

01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:33.920
I might not like if I get World Cup tickets,

01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:37.000
that's going to be another expense, right? And

01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:40.939
then this and then I have to set a limit within

01:16:40.939 --> 01:16:43.819
a reasonable boundaries and their limit was like

01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:47.279
$400 more than what my limit was. So I'm like,

01:16:47.380 --> 01:16:50.319
okay, like they're like, I think you should get

01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:54.680
it yours from like, like secret or see, like

01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:57.000
what stub hub or something like that. I'm like,

01:16:57.140 --> 01:17:01.380
we'll be if I crack, we'll see. But everything

01:17:01.380 --> 01:17:04.779
obviously happens for a reason. So, you know,

01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:07.800
we have to Just play it by ear and see what happens,

01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:10.060
basically. I'm living it in the grace of God.

01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:11.859
And maybe it's not meant to be that I go see

01:17:11.859 --> 01:17:14.819
them this summer, like in the summertime in Vegas.

01:17:14.859 --> 01:17:17.880
And that's fine. I've already accepted my destiny

01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:24.260
with that. So. Yeah. All right. Well, this was

01:17:24.260 --> 01:17:28.560
fun, everyone. Thanks. This was. It's been a

01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:32.560
hot minute. We need to see if we can keep steady

01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:39.270
with it, George. Yeah, I got it. It's been a

01:17:39.270 --> 01:17:41.989
lot. You guys know I have a lot going on and

01:17:41.989 --> 01:17:44.930
I have a move coming up, but I'm gonna try to

01:17:44.930 --> 01:17:47.689
be consistent. I am. I'm gonna do it. I promise.

01:17:47.750 --> 01:17:51.829
I'm gonna make the time and hopefully soon I

01:17:51.829 --> 01:17:54.010
won't be catching so many flights. I'll just

01:17:54.010 --> 01:17:56.350
be where I need to be and then I'll have way

01:17:56.350 --> 01:18:00.029
more time to do the things that I want to do.

01:18:00.930 --> 01:18:03.250
You heard it here first people. You heard it

01:18:03.250 --> 01:18:05.949
here first. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So thank you

01:18:05.949 --> 01:18:08.449
to my bestie, Gina, for joining me for the pod.

01:18:08.590 --> 01:18:10.010
Thank you for all the listeners who are listening.

01:18:10.189 --> 01:18:12.689
We love you guys. Make sure you're listening

01:18:12.689 --> 01:18:15.569
to me and Gina on 90 Day Fiance. 90 Day Fiance

01:18:15.569 --> 01:18:18.670
Fridays as well. We're on that podcast as well.

01:18:19.130 --> 01:18:21.229
And this was fun, guys. This was pop culture.

01:18:21.970 --> 01:18:24.189
And we'll talk to you guys really soon. Good

01:18:24.189 --> 01:18:26.289
night, guys. Bye. Bye.