He's a tough kid. All I gotta say is the public
can't say it's cheating. Hello and welcome to
another episode of Sounders Scuttlebutt. I'm
your co -host today, Cameron Collins, and I am
here with the one and only Nicholas Biella. What
is up, Nick? How are you doing? Doing pretty
good. How are you? I'm feeling pretty energized,
pretty excitable. Yeah? Yeah. What about you?
I mean, unlike you, I didn't have an exciting
evening of attending, what, kindergarten? PTA
meetings, parent teacher conferences, slightly
different, but same, same proof of concept. Um,
yeah, things that I gotta, I gotta realize are
a thing. Um, but we got a jam packed mini episode.
It may not be a two hour long episode, but we're
going to probably try and keep it under an hour,
which means that it will probably be around 20
minutes after the hour knowing us. But before
we do that, do you have anything in your hand?
I do. It's non -alcoholic, but I'm also getting
weird notifications on my phone. That's weird.
Oh, oh, the worst nickname in sports for the
best player in sports. Tell me about that. Well,
I am going to drink a scuttlebutt big dumper
beer, which is a, I think it's a, is it a golden
ale? What is this? It's just a, just a nice lager.
Okay. Crushable lager. What about you? Wow. That's
a loud typing, typing this there. um i am drinking
non -alcoholic right now i am drinking holiday
creamy vanilla coke zero like holiday creamy
vanilla are santa claus been kidnapped is he
in your closet what's happening yes yes absolutely
holy shit that was the dream yeah that's good
That's good. If you haven't tried it, I highly
recommend it. It is a quality soda. There you
go. Soda is very expensive now. I don't know
why this has happened. Sugar tax. But even the
non -sugar, these were $10 a 12 -pack. Luckily,
if you bought two, you got two free. It's true.
It's just wild what they're doing to us. I don't
know. I want you to go real quick. And cause
I want to tell the audience here about my new
sweatshirt. I just bought, go, go in the chat
there and click it so you can bring it up and
look at my new hockey. Cause, cause we're going
to have a, a first little scuttle, but it will
be about hockey. So I got a black sweatshirt.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I like it. I like it. Yes.
it says drop gloves punch nazis double hockey
sticks and in the front it has a sometimes violence
is necessary it says for hockey cannot complain
about that yeah so um we got some news today
a lot of news a lot of news has dropped the new
uh name for the uh women's hockey professional
hockey team in seattle dropped the torrent which
I don't love. Well, it's a tech city. We got
to illegally stream. I was hoping they'd name
it the Napster. Napster was more my speed. SoundCloud?
What was the other one? SoundCloud's still huge.
Yeah, but no. Napster, and then what was after
that? There was a few. LimeWire. LimeWire, there
we go. That's right. SoulSeek. Well, actually,
it's kind of grown on me over time because, you
know, Whitewater Rapids, whatever, torrents of
rain, but the worst logo of any sports team in
Seattle. It looks like... Oh, it's bad. Some
people are saying it looks like a toothpaste
logo. It's not great. No, I mean, this is worse
than the Chicago Fire rebrand. It's kind of AI,
low energy. Yeah. But hey, whatever. I'm still
going to bring the sport. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's
not. It's I'm just I'm just sad that I mean,
not that the Vancouver Golden Eyes is much better,
but I mean, it can be. It all depends on which
character you choose. If you got I was really
opening for the same joke. Can I can I I would
rock the odd job 64. jersey oh that'd be incredible
um that did you see that they ported that game
uh to xbox no no oh yeah you can get it it's
tough it's harder than i remember it being they
um that's right because you're a playstation
guy but they might have it on there too but they
ported it to uh modern systems for those so you
can actually go play it for those of us who are
under the age of 35 there was a game in the late
90s called golden eye 64 for GameCube. Was it
GameCube? Yeah, it was GameCube, wasn't it? No,
N64. N64. There we go. Anyways. All right. So
I've got some scuttlebutt for us, some more scuttlebutt.
One, we got some year -end awards coming out.
Oh, yeah. How do you feel about the Young Player
of the Year going to Alex Freeman out of Orlando
City besting Obed Vargas? I know nothing about
that guy. He's definitely playing in the left
back, I believe. Or sorry, right back. Getting
some call -ups for the national team. It's definitely
exciting. The breakdown of their voting results.
Alex Freeman on the players' vote got 23 % of
the players' vote. Obed got 21 .4%. The media
vote, Alex Freeman got 31, Obed got 21, and then
the club's vote, that's where it really came
down, where Alex Freeman got 36 % and Obed got
16%, with Diego Luna finishing as a... not really
has joined the club here i mean i probably would
have put diego luna but i also haven't watched
a lot of his games i just more his impact on
the u .s national team which is not what this
is for no i think i think i think it really comes
down to both alex and diego make more of an impact
offensively it's like you know the the number
six is not going to be an mvp type of deal you
know it's just really hard now with that said
Let's go to the counterpoint. Oh, wait. Oh, go
ahead. I was going to say, wait. But Obed also
was not very good. In fact, he was very poor
at the beginning of the season. Like, it was
surprising. I mean, leading into the Club World
Cup, it felt like all the work that we were talking
about where he's going to shine and be sold during
the Club World Cup wasn't happening. He was just
a dude. Now, second half of the season, he was
phenomenal. But he didn't have a full season
of great. I mean, it's the same reason why I
think Pedro. can't be in the top 11 because I
think Pedro Pedro deserves it based on what he
did on the field, but he wasn't on the field
enough to do it. I mean, you have that award.
It's fair. And this isn't really a slam on Alex
Freeman at all. You know, Alex Freeman's had
a really good year. But I mean, and Obed's got
the best 21 under 21 or 24 under 24, whatever
the, you know, so he, you know, so there's kind
of a split split there. So. The Best 11 came
out this week as well. And Christian Roldan was
named to the MLS Best 11. Yeah. Joining, I mean,
honestly, it's a pretty fair Best 11. Dane St.
Clair in the back with Tristan Blackman, Alex
Freeman, Jacob Glensness, and Kai Wagner. with
Sebastian Berhalter, Evander, and Christian Roldan
in the middle. I mean, that's just filthy. And
Denis Buonga, Andres Dreyer, and Lionel Messi
up top. So I thought that was a pretty balanced
best 11, and probably one of the first times
in a long while where this best 11 could actually
be a real formation. That doesn't always happen.
Yeah. And all the players are deserving. I think
I was surprised that Christian was on there just
because he's never gotten the recognition he
deserves. And they usually don't go for realistic.
So usually it'll be like, yeah. So I was pleasantly
surprised. And I don't know if you saw his speech,
but he gave credit to his teammates. Of course
he did. And so did Coach when he was talking
about it. So going into... game three of the
playoffs we want to do a quick recap of where
we stand going into game three for the the league
yeah and we will say of course we do have some
scuttlebutt coming that is from the mailbag we
have several uh four different folks uh gave
us stuff so don't worry keep listening we'll
get to we get to the questions you sent us but
uh the uh so what's going on in the rest of the
league yeah exactly let's start with the the
eastern conference so uh philly wins in back
-to -back games against chicago uh number one
philly drops the number eight chicago fire the
uh columbus new york city that series is tied
1 -1 going into game three which is in columbus
or sorry charlotte charlotte charlotte not since
uh charlotte not new york not columbus yeah charlotte
charlotte city Yep, that's in Charlotte at 4
p .m. tomorrow. Going over to the number two
versus number seven, Cincinnati -Columbus. That
one is tied 1 -1. Hell is real. And Columbus
balled on them in that second game. Yeah, I mean,
Columbus is kind of, not equivalent, but kind
of like the Sounders where maybe they didn't
have the best regular season. but is not really
a team people want to face in the playoffs. Yeah.
And then, of course, you got Miami, the three
-seed Miami against Nashville. That one's tied
1 -1. Big news out of that series is that Luis
Suarez is suspended for off -the -play kickout.
Yeah, he unsurprisingly, purposefully, kicked
his foot behind him like a horse does. That's
what it looked like, where a horse will kick
you with its foot. Were you just focused on the
teeth? Yeah. He does love to bite like a horse
as well. A horse once bit my sister at her birthday
party. I thought you were doing a Monty Python
joke. I thought you were like, a moose once bit
my sister. Oh, God. But yeah, he clearly used
it as an opportunity to kick back. And I think
he probably should be banned for the rest of
playoffs. I mean, if this were a first time offense,
you get one game. This is not a first time offense.
He should have been banned from the MLS for his
transgressions in League's Cup. And he wasn't.
So this, I mean, I know. Well, it's fine because
he's just going to be judged to, you know, he's
going to be getting the Sean Avery, if we're
going hockey relation, where it's just he's going
to get judged harsher. Yeah, I just can't get
worked up over him. I can't give the energy at
this point. Going over to the east of the west,
we have San Diego, Portland, which is now a 1
-1 series after a wild finish in game two. I
mean, that's the thing about that day. It was
the World Series Game 7 that went extra innings.
Oh my God, what a finish there. Yeah, insane.
And at the exact same time, you had Portland
scoring the 98th minute to send it to penalties
and win. And then, of course, Vancouver scoring
the 93rd minute to send it to penalties and then
win. Did you see... the interview with kiki uh
the outfielder for for the dodgers talking about
when he was trying to make that basket catch
and he got posterized by his own teammate you
know i mean it was on the tv but i was in a bar
we watched it it was great because he's going
he's talking this interview he's like i thought
we lost the crowd was quiet like i thought i
thought we lost you know i thought i thought
i blew it i got posterized and yeah it was just
really really interesting um What a crazy, what
a crazy final four innings of that game. So then,
of course, going back to the Western Conference,
you've got Minnesota -Seattle tied at one. You've
got LAFC advancing over Austin in two games.
You've got Dallas losing to Vancouver in two
games. So going into the next round, the conference
semifinals, Vancouver and LAFC are guaranteed
to play each other. And then you've got the winner
of San Diego Portland playing the winner of Minnesota
Seattle. My question to you is this. Do you think
this is the right way to do playoffs where you
once the bracket is set, it's set? Or do you
think you should recede after each round? Oh,
I hate receding. I think if you if you're that
if you're that lower seed and you earn that or
I guess high, I'll say. I don't know how to refer
to it lower. If an eight seed beats a one seed,
you should be in that one seed spot. I think
you've earned that. I don't like reseeding because
then you're making it just impossible for the
eight seed to keep advancing. And it's like,
no, if you get hot, this is your chance to go.
I think I agree with that. Of course, it does
mean that if the Sounders advance, there's...
I mean, it doesn't matter at this point. San
Diego, Portland, Vancouver, LAFC. It's the playoffs.
All four of them, there are challenges no matter
who we play. Sure, but I will say this. It goes
to a one -game series after this, and we would
host Portland. This is true. So now I don't feel
bad about the fact that I was rooting for Portland
in game one, and I was happy that Portland won
game two. So if Portland wins, and then of course
we win, we would host Portland next round. In
a one -game series, I don't think that I fear
any team in this playoffs. I agree. It's just
no matter who we play, it's going to be stressful.
That's just the nature of one -game playoffs.
I just think we saw in this most recent Sanders
game what home field advantage means, which is
something we haven't had until this year. Maybe
last year a little bit. we had lost that home
field advantage. We had lost that early Sounders
just extra bump that you got. And this year we've
just been so solid and at home. And I mean, to
me, it's night and day what the team is like
on the road and at home. Well, the other side
of that is the club, both in Alliance Council
meetings that we've had and in public interviews.
Have stated over the last few years that they
really had as a big part of the sporting side,
a strong desire to make Lumen a fortress again.
And they really were really trying to make that
happen. And I mean, Minnesota is the only team
to have beaten the only North American team to
have beaten the Sounders this season in Lumen.
That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. and uh i i know otherwise
what about charlotte no that was it just felt
like a loss yeah we had a few that felt like
losses they weren't actual losses yeah definitely
so so that's kind of where we're at with the
bracket um we have some coaching news as well
i don't know if you caught that no i don't think
so yeah there's been some uh oh wait i did i
did see that the youth usa coach got hired somewhere
yeah uh in new england Okay. Yeah. So in New
England there. So you're definitely starting
to see some. You're starting to get some news.
It looks like LAFC has all but unofficially named
former Vancouver head coach. Oh, my God. What
is his name? He's their assistant coach right
now. He's going to take over. At the end of the
season. I don't know. I was hoping it was the
guy that was their coach two years ago that they,
for some reason fired when he was awesome. No,
no, I, my brain's not there right now, but anyway,
he's their current assistant. Yeah. Well, while
I type this as everyone can hear, I will say,
did you see that because they got second in the
Canadian cup, Vancouver FC. has qualified for
champions cup yay yay i like that i know it's
so fun to see uh the you know a lower league
team make it i want i want to see like usl that's
the only the only thing for me about the us open
cup not having full mls participation is if we
could find a way to get some more usl teams to
win it so they could i would love to see a sacramento
republic qualify ricardo clark no Mark Dos Santos?
There we go, Mark Dos Santos. Okay. Also, DeAndre
Yedlin signs a contract extension with RSL. I
don't think I saw that coming. Definitely not.
But, I mean, it makes sense. That's the kind
of team where he can stay in a starting role
and extend that career a little bit more. So
I get it. I get it. Yeah, and they probably are
willing to pay him. Did they say what it was?
No, just a contract extension through 2027 with
an option for 2028. Okay. So good for him. I
want an MLS with DeAndre Yedlin in the league.
So that part I'm happy for. I just don't particularly
want to see him playing for Salt Lake. Yeah,
I mean, it's such a... We've known several people
that have worked at the highest levels of that
organization who don't always say the best things
about this organization. But apparently the owner
is a huge coin collector guy. And so he runs
in some similar circles to some of my friends,
which is very weird. Oh, yeah. We won't want
to shout him out publicly. I mean, we were talking
about that last week, but yeah. No, but you know
who you are. Also, shout out to everyone who
did vote. This was election week for a lot of
places, except for Kentucky, when everyone kept
showing up at the polls to vote, only to discover
that they didn't have an election in Kentucky
this year. It's next year. So they don't have
an every year election like we do. Well, yeah,
they take one year out of every four off as kind
of a calm it down. But yeah. I want to start
talking about the game and then hit the mailbag
for the second half. Sure. That sounds good.
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Yeah, absolutely. And we do have a World Cup
question that will be best answered by you later
coming out of the mailbag. But the Sounders came
away victorious 4 -2 this past Monday night.
And I don't, I know it was for TV purposes, but
they could have played that game Saturday. They
could have played that game Sunday. It would
have been just fine. And it would have been,
I mean, it worked out in our favor anyways, but
MLS or probably Apple TV demanded that we play
it Monday. So on a cold Monday night with a 7
.55 p .m. kickoff. to a game that went to 10.
What are you thinking? Anyways. Yeah, it makes
no sense. But I will say, crowd was very good.
I did not expect people to show up. I did not
expect those people that did show up to be so
phosphorus and excited. But I think the team
showed up as well. And that brought the crowd
into it immediately. I mean, yeah, it helps when
you get up 1 -0 in the seventh minute, so that
certainly helps. Yes, absolutely. But they were
challenging for goals right away. Oh, 100%. 100%.
Let's start talking about the game. So first
off, lineup comes out, and we see Jordan Morris
and Danny Mussofsky in the lineup at the same
time. What are your thoughts on that? Going into
the game, going into the game. Yeah. Yeah. They
did it at the end of the last game and I wasn't
surprised. And the way they had done it was very
interesting because I noticed when Jordan came
on, he and Danny had a conversation where Jordan
basically was like, I'm going to be on the right.
So it was almost like they had two forwards,
but they weren't like both centered. It was one
in the center and one on the right. Yeah. And
they were in, and that was actually what we saw
in this match too, where you had. Sometimes we
had three forwards. Sometimes we had two forwards.
Sometimes we had one forward. But it gives you
that flexibility for both wings to come up and
be forwards. I was surprised that it was... It
was almost a 4 -3 -3 in some ways just because
both Morris, Jesus Ferreira, and Danny Mussofsky
have all spent a considerable amount of time
up top in their career. Yeah. But what surprised
me was Morris on the right, number one, because
usually we see him on the left. Not always, usually.
And Ferreira on the left because this year, when
he hasn't been at center attacking mid, we've
mainly seen him on the right. And so they took
it and flipped it on his head. There's something
about the way that Jordan and Moose interact
with each other when Jordan is on the right that
is paying dividends. And they must be seeing
that in practice because at the end of that last
game... We saw it happen. And while we didn't
score, we were dangerous. And then this game,
obviously, we were very dangerous going up three
nothing in the first 45 minutes. Well, I think
there's something about that, because it seems
like even going back to the first game where
where Danny has a couple of really good chances,
including that beautiful header attempt that
really well played Jordan. The way he attacks
with that pace oftentimes draws people. And Danny,
you just know he's in those great Wondolowski
positions all season long. We've been talking
about that. And if Jordan's, you know, fine with
making those selfish, unselfish passes, that
certainly unlocks a lot of opportunity there.
I think we saw some of the limitations of Jordan,
though, having not played. out on the wings very
much this season though where he would he would
try to do what georgie does a lot dribble up
and then and then cross it and he just didn't
have the feet work uh yeah to do we'll talk about
that a little bit as well especially when when
things go a little bit wrong at the end of the
first half spoiler alert and he was in the middle
for one of those but yeah but but um so going
in uh in the eighth minute you know we've got
a we got a we got a corner kick coming rusnak
um russnack puts the ball in uh gets cycled to
the top of the box where obed is typically handling
out hanging out and he just puts a shot you know
just a quick shot from the top of the box just
putting it on frame hoping for the best just
uh uh stop it one touch go um cracks me up that
dane st clair is immediately trying to signal
for an offside when um it's not even close. It's
not, they VAR didn't even go to review it. It
just wasn't close. Yeah. I think, I mean, I think
what it was, was, uh, Oh wait, I'm thinking of,
was it that goal or the second one? It was the
first one. The first one where there was the
forward was up. Yeah. And so he was blocking
the vision of the goalie, but he was on side.
So he was on side, but yeah, but, but you could
make the argument that if he weren't, even though
he wasn't part of a play that he was affecting
the play, which, We know he wasn't, but the MLS
has called that against the Sounders many times.
Oh, 100%. Now, if number 13 wasn't, and it was
a little close, but he's desperately trying to
run back. Markinich is desperately trying to
run back to the top of the box. So good effort,
but his time was just off. It just wasn't there.
It's just fun to watch Nate St. Clair, bitch.
Really fun. I mean, it's fun to watch the goalie
of the year give up four goals. Yeah, where's
the tongue wagging? Maybe did he need to tell
the ref where to place the ball after that goal?
I'll give you a spoil sport. It's at the top
of the circle. He is a chump. And more importantly,
the fact that... He won goalie of the year despite
not being the best goalie, just having the best
defense. How many times has Steph not won it
because they were like, oh, he had the best defense,
so he didn't deserve it? Yeah, I'm not even going
to get myself worked up over it because, you
know, whatever. But speaking of Steph, a few
moments later, just a few moments later, right
off of kind of a cross into the box. A really
quick little touch makes a really good reaction
save just from the outside of the six. So, you
know, he's still got it. He's still got it. 20th
minute. 20th minute, Sounders are trying to get
the ball in. Christian's coming out to the edge,
crosses the ball to Jesus Ferreira. Now, I want
to give Jesus a lot of props here. He does a
diving header. His diving header comes across
over. It looks like he's going to go in even
if Jordan isn't there, right? Yeah. I mean, he's
putting that header trying to go far post. Yeah.
But he also, it seems to me that he also very
much sees in the play that he knows Morris is
over there. And yeah, it's just really well done.
Really well done. Big, big props to Jesus Ferreira.
Very heads up play. I was very pleased with that.
Yeah. I mean, I mean, he, it was such a quick
deflection off of Jordan that he actually, I
mean, James, and it wasn't his fault because
he was told, you know, James has a spotter that
tells him who to announce, but they announced
it being Jesus's goal. Yeah. And then they have
to correct it, but. And there's no one better
than James at that. He gives credit to a lot
of other PA announcers, but we are so lucky to
have James. You know what's really fun about
this, though? Once again, Dane St. Clair is bitching
because he thinks Jordan's off sides, and he
kind of forgets his own defender is on the touchline.
on his ass yeah uh it just makes me laugh what
a little whiny little bitch his second goalie
of the year second goal that went right off his
hands and into the net wow good job goalie of
the year yeah um but what i really really really
want to point out not just uh jesus's great setup
was christian jumping and just Being manhandling
his guy on the outside of the box to make that
whole thing happen. He just won the duel. It
wasn't even close. And yeah, just bang, bang,
bang. We talked about this last week. The Sounders
have been so good this year when they're not
necessarily trying to hold on to possession,
but just doing that transition goal. they've
been doing that really well. This is another
one of those examples of that transition goal
just happening. Yeah, and working in our favor.
Yeah, and so we're not done yet. It's still the
first half. We're in the 41st minute once again.
I mean, it's pretty much the same thing. Christian
being the first one to the ball at the outside
of the box. Jordan plays him in. He passes it
to the top of the box where top of the six where
Jesus is. Once again, Jesus puts it same spot,
puts it into that back, you know, goes towards
that back side of the goal. And Danny Mussofsky
is there just. Beautiful, beautiful setup where
Jesus doesn't need to get big touches on it.
He just knows, I know I've got someone going
to that back post, and I know Minnesota's not
defending it. So just really great first half
from Jesus Ferreira. Two assists, a lot of good
effort there. And then it kind of falls apart.
It does. Some bad giveaways in transition. Now,
I do want to point something out. So we got eight
minutes of stoppage time. Jordan gets the ball.
He gets played. Obed plays it to his feet instead
of leading him. Jordan has to pull up his run.
Minnesota just kind of takes it from him. This
is five yards from the halfway point, five yards
from midfield. Ball gets lost. And Jordan, if
you watch that play, a lot of people want to
go, oh, Jordan, turnover, turnover, turnover.
He tracked back. Exactly. His track back. This
was, Jordan was the least of the problems on
this play. It was something that we've seen a
lot and, you know, not a good giveaway, but there's
still five players. behind the ball right like
there's five players who could have stepped up
and stopped one of the two players that were
on a run yeah i mean unfortunately we're up three
nothing we're in stoppage time the moment that
jordan loses the ball so if obed leads him we
are on a break we've got numbers we are on a
break if he if he plays the ball into space It
might be for nothing. I mean, everyone is going,
including, unfortunately, by the time it gets
taken, Obed and Nuhu are getting passed by the
ball as the ball going in the other direction.
So it's now basically a 4v3 the other way with
Jordan trying to get back into there. It's just
a tough. It's just a tough goal. There was only
two people involved ultimately in that play because
it was a beautiful pass. To me, the problem is
we've seen the Sounders fall prey to this before
where you give it away in the middle of the field
and then there's just no way. For whatever reason,
we cannot stop a team that's speedily transitioning
back. Early in the season, it was a big problem.
And last year, it was a big problem. We haven't
seen it a lot this season. But it's just something
that we see from our defenders at times. And
to me, it's more emblematic of, I mean, Yamar's
lost a step. That's just a fact. So they've got
to play defense a little differently. See, that
one in and of itself, that one, I'm not even
worried. I'm not even angry about that one. That's
just a bad pass. And Minnesota does it really
well. Well, that's what I mean. That first one,
I'm not angry about it. Minnesota does a really
good job for V3 and sets it up really good. This
next one, I am a little frustrated about because
we're at the point where basically Minnesota
is trying to put numbers forward and Alex intercepts
it, passes it to wide open Yamar. Yamar, when
he... fields the ball has no one within 10 yards
of him and he's and and minnesota's not even
pressuring at that point so he's looking he's
holding on to it for a good you know six seven
eight seconds and then he loses it at midfield
and and they're just they're just going the other
way so i mean really you got to recognize the
game state at that moment you just got to recognize
hey This is not the time to screw around. Let's
get into the halftime, 3 -1. Unfortunately, that's
not what happened. Lode gets the nice finish.
It's 3 -2. You're thinking, oh, God, is this
going to be yet another game where we blow a
three -goal lead at home? But moments later,
Obed hits post with authority. Obed is on a heater.
Obed is just... having himself having himself
a game you know he's feeling it he's feeling
the swag um it felt really good even to miss
that felt really good going into the halftime
uh going right back into it that ball pops out
the right way danny musovsky's all alone with
no one around him to just tap it in It made me
not worried. If you listen to Brian Schmetzer's
interview with MLS on Apple at halftime, he wasn't
worried. I made mention of it in the Discord.
I was expecting him to be a little bit more angry
in the interview and annoyed, but I think he
kind of recognized that, hey, this is something
that's not replicable. We're not going to keep
making those mistakes, but everything that we've
seen up to and even after that point was falling
into what I thought the Sounders game plan was.
Yeah. What did you think? I mean, yeah. I mean,
I think we saw the Sounders come out and do what
they needed to do. And it's what we've been expecting
them to do all along. And we actually saw them
pull some stuff in from the games at the end
of the season that Minnesota was losing, playing
more over the top instead of through the wings
at times. And it was working. And so I think
they have Minnesota's number now. It'd just be
a question, can Minnesota counter in a way? It's
going to be a game of chess. If Minnesota's coach
can... come up with a game plan that can stop
the changes the Sounders made, which obviously
the Sounders have to make some more. But they
have found a little something that seems to be
working against this Minnesota team. Yeah, I
mean, Eric Ramsey is definitely an exciting coach
to see for sure. But Eric Ramsey is this young,
hot, upcoming coach. He's going against Brian
Schmetzer. This is Brian Schmetzer's 18th knockout
win -or -go -home game in his career with the
Sounders. He is 12 -5 going into this game, in
the 17 games going into this. 12 -5 in a lose
-and -you're -out situation. Sure, sure. I also
think we're so far into the playoff. They were
talking about it before the game. I think Fry
has the most games, active games of any player
in the MLS in terms of playoff appearances. I
think Christian's second. And Jordan has the
most goals of any active player. I mean, we're
talking, they've played a full season's worth
of games just in the playoffs. So, you know,
I still question can and will we show up in a
big game? We've seen it. we have seen them of
course show up but we're not in a in a big game
yet i mean this of the caliber of a championship
game i mean you want to hear something crazy
though this was this was alex rolled on i believe
his 253rd appearance for the sounders all comps
just insane how how quick these these games are
adding up like some of these players you know
it was a big deal back in the earlier days when
oh ozzy hit 200 games yeah and we've got like
five players that have all played over 200 games
for the club. This team has been together for
so long. It's so impressive. So going into the
second half, unfortunately, Alex goes off with
groin tightness. Yeah, I didn't know what had
happened. It was groin tightness? Okay. Yeah,
groin tightness with Kalani Kosarienzi coming
on. I think KKR played great. I mean, you saw
Demon Fry play in a way that you don't see him
and Alex play, and it worked. Yeah, I mean, it
worked. It was a good half from KKR for sure.
Game gets a little interesting. Game gets a little
interesting when we bring on Paul Rothrock and
Danny Leyva. How do you feel about Rothrock coming
on as a 65th minute sub and just running at tired
legs? I mean, it obviously works. He can put
all his effort into a short time. I love it.
I wasn't sure about the Leva sub, but it worked
out. They did seem, I don't know if those are
the subs I would have made, but you know what?
I'm not the coach and it worked. We scored another
goal and we won. So, yeah. I mean, yeah, they
may not be the subs you made, but here we are
in the 84th minute where Danny Leva beats his
man, plays a beautiful lead pass into Paul Rothrock
who just shoulders to shoulders Harvey and makes
him look silly. giving a ball to obed to top
of the box obed puts it in um ricochet off off
a defender but frankly frankly that happens a
lot with obed he puts those he takes those shots
from the top of the box he loves putting it on
frame and i would say that this season um i feel
like anecdotally he's got what like that's his
fourth fifth goal this season i feel like four
of the five goals have have gone off of someone
but that's what happens you put it on frame yep
and that puts the game away sounders win four
to two and we live to play another day uh yeah
we will talk about but uh we better keep moving
along because i know i got like five minutes
left until real quick Real quick, our score prediction
challenge. This was a unique game because not
a lot of people are going to be choosing Obed
Vargas as the first goal scorer. No, I picked
the second. Not a lot of people were probably
taking that over. But we had one, two, three,
four, five, six, seven, eight people with two
points. So a lot of us, including not one, not
two, but all three hosts. Yep. You, me, and Aaron
all had two points. But let's go Dan the Bastard.
Dan the Bastard. Eric. Eric13. Who else we had?
Bryson. Nice. Julie Z, who's been coming on strong
this second half. Julie's been doing pretty damn
good. And then Silotum. That is... Is that all?
Oh, yeah, that is, I think, also maybe related
to Dan the Bastard. I'm not positive. I have
to double check on that. You do not know? Well,
they put Dan the Bastard in their answer there.
Oh, maybe it's one of his trials. Oh, no, I'm
sorry. I'm an idiot. That's Paul. oh nice um
my bad for some reason the match it didn't it
didn't refresh so so i'm like wait that's not
right uh because because he won a few weeks ago
as well um so good times uh why don't we talk
about the next game next saturday at one o 'clock
is it one o 'clock east central eastern yeah
1 p .m seattle time one o 'clock seems like a
dumb time but it is what it is uh and uh it's
gonna be yeah i think it'll depend on the chess
match and uh which coach comes up with the better
game plan and and then can adjust in match i
think yeah i mean We got a lot of mail bags.
Let's hit that up. Let's finish the prediction
at the very end. Okay, right now? Let's do it
now. Let's do it now. Okay. Who's winning? I'm
taking the Sounders in a do -or -die game three,
especially after the confidence here, especially
if we go up a goal because I think Minnesota
is just expecting another heartbreak from Seattle.
Yeah, let's see. I originally picked whomever
wins game one. I mean, whoever scores first and
also who win game one is going to win the series.
So I got to pick Minnesota. I think they're going
to win in penalties. I don't know because Sounders
scored first and no one won game one. Yeah. I
mean, I don't know if they count as a scoring
when it's a penalty. I'm not counting it. All
right. So we have a mailbox. Tim Hamilton asks,
how do you bring a sign or poster into the stadium?
I mean, I think the easiest thing is to get it
to a supporter group. I don't know the actual
rules. Some people can do it every single match.
And then other times security just decides to
not let you do it. So as Tim knows. Yep. Yep.
I mean, getting pre, I would say, call your ticket
rep. Get that, get that, call someone at the
club. Get that okay in advance. Yeah, I think
it's also going to depend on how big the sign
is. Oh, sure. But I mean, I know that. What he
was denied for was a small sign that he would
bring in any other game. So they just decided
not to let him have it in this last game. Yeah.
So, yeah, I would say, you know, you got those
contacts. But if all else fails, call your techie
rep, start there. Of course, we... And when you
get denied at one, go to a different insurance.
Yeah, we may not have another home game. Eric13
asks, regarding World Cup tickets for here in
Seattle, out of all the possible opponents, how
much would cause... or how many would cause FIFA
to increase the price of the USA game here? All
of them. I mean, yeah, I don't think we're going
to... Tickets are already on sale. We don't know
who they're going to play, and you're going to
buy them before you know who the US is playing.
So once it's announced, it's going to go up.
Yeah. The draw will be in early December, then
the final... If it's Haiti, maybe, or Cape Verde,
maybe it doesn't go up, but... No, they're not
going down. yeah i wouldn't expect them to go
down other games other group stage games i do
expect them to go down sure not the u .s and
keep in mind the u .s game in seattle is like
30 cheaper than the u .s game in la and the new
york one yeah it's bad it's bad uh shout out
to rowdy rousey who asked could you talk more
about the sounders looking for investors how
do you feel about a stadium specifically in renton
Could it also be to prepare for an increase in
salary cap? So on and so forth. Of course, it
was announced this, and there's another great
question after that that we should talk about,
because I know the answer, but it was announced
that the Sounders are actively seeking an investor,
or investors, plural, potentially, and they've
hired a firm to help do that, the same firm that
sold Vancouver. Whitecaps and did something with
one of the LA teams. I can't remember which one.
But I mean, we don't know that it's for the stadium,
but I would assume it's for some sort of stadium.
I know talking to folks I know who are internal
Seahawks employees, there's already chatter over
there about the Sounders leaving eventually.
When that would be, I have no idea. We don't
have any inside information. We only know what's
public. But I can say that I think a move to
Renton would be catastrophic. I mean, it depends
on what they want. Do they want a fan base or
do they want to make money? I think one doesn't
necessarily preclude the other, but one could
absolutely torpedo the other. Well, I think a
fan base makes you money, but... If you're just
going for the money, you're going to lose so
many people if you move down there. There's not
mass transit to get there. The infrastructure
is not built yet. Adrian, if you want the money,
sell the team. With that valuation, there's plenty
of money. More money than you could ever make.
If you want the money, sell the team. I also
think that I understand why they would want to
sell the team. You get no money from parking.
You get no money from concessions. You mean build
a stadium. Oh, excuse me. Yeah, you said sell
the teams. I know why they would want to build
the same. You get no money. The Sounders get
no money from parking, no money from concessions,
no money from events inside the stadium. There's
no grass. They have a bit of a raw deal. Absolutely.
I will point out that I do largely believe that
both things can be true, that both Adrian would,
in a perfect world, want his own stadium, but
he also... understands that if you're not publicly
talking about these things, you lose your negotiating
position. Think about the last time the Sounders
lease was up, was in negotiations, and they were
trying to talk about, well, the turf schedule
was supposed to be replaced on this level, and
it was never being done, and they were talking
about exploring. I don't know the date that it's
up, but it's soon. I mean, I think it's within
a year, I think. I think the exercise, yeah.
But, but I do know that the sounder, I mean,
the, the Seahawks have made fourth and goal has
made a bunch of improvements to work with the
sounders already and are planning to put more
in. So even if they build a stadium, it's not
happening for next season. This is a next season
thing. This is a long -term. Can I say something
that maybe people will find controversial? I
think soccer specific stadiums are fucking stupid.
I think they're for small clubs that have no
ambition. And just want to make more money by
having less seats. You're going to outgrow that
stadium. Then you have to build another fucking
stadium. And then it's going to cost the taxpayers
more money. So one of the things I guess I'll
say first off is, is the Sounders lease is set
to expire around 2032. Okay. So that means they
did one renewal within the last. Few years. Potentially.
Because it was supposed to be up in the 2020s
at some point. Yeah, it was supposed to be up
at 2028. But that was a few years ago. But then
they probably ran an extension because the Seahawks
lease runs out in 2032 as well. And they probably
recognize that the value of having them both
running out at the same time would give maximum
leverage. Sure. Maybe the Seahawks can move.
Well, that's what I think is the more likely
scenario is the Seahawks go to, you know, suburbia.
Every team that leaves the downtown core to go
to suburbia, it's always a shit show. Yep. But
I will say for the Seahawks, most people are
coming from suburbia. Yes. But the impact isn't
as bad for football. The Seahawks game is red
state America. It is not a Seahawks. I mean,
it's not a Seattle crowd. I think we see a Seattle
crowd. Everyone's not from Seattle. we see a
largely seattle crowd at seattle games would
be my compared to other teams would be my guess
not not large i wouldn't say it's like the majority
but compared to other teams yeah i mean at the
same time i guess i would i would want to say
um this is not the first time that that these
things have have come up into conversation um
and and it feels to me like I think the last
time, let's see, the Sounders signed a 10 -year
extension of their lease in 2015. But also around
that time is when we were really talking about
what happens. Can we do a feasibility for, you
know, because they did a stadium feasibility
in 2014, one year before they signed the 10 -year
extension. So this is part of the playbook. Absolutely.
And why wouldn't you? You want to maximize your
negotiating power. Here's what I'll say real
quick. There's a lot of land available right
now. I mean, it's not for sale. Oh, I'm talking
about the land that Chris Hansen bought to build
Sonic's Arena. It's ready to go. You could fit
a soccer -specific, a large soccer -specific
stadium there. It's true. Long Acres is not where
it's at. Period, exclamation point. If there
was light rail that went to it, I think you could
make an argument. For me, driving, it makes very
little difference. It is equidistant for me.
But I'm not the person that will be affected
by it then. We're talking about anyone who lives
north of downtown. It makes the commute to the
game, especially on a weeknight, over an hour.
Think about how hard it is for us to get to Auburn
to go to White River Amphitheater. yeah you have
to cut through downtown auburn in in rush hour
traffic it can take that's why you and i when
we've gone to concerts leave at 3 p .m yeah because
otherwise if you leave later you're going to
get caught in the traffic then it it takes a
8 30 yeah it takes a 45 minute drive and makes
it a a three hour drive but i mean anyone who
doesn't think that stadium location matters i
would just say go to a sounders game if you live
north Park at Northgate. Park at Linwood. Take
light rail down and see what happens. See what
happens with the transit. Look at Husky Stadium
right on the light rail. Look at games and events
at T -Mobile Park, at Lumen. Look at the weekend
a couple weeks ago when the Mariners were in
the playoffs. Sounders were playing Portland.
all that going on over a hundred thousand people
in two days and in that area. And people were
getting around because of public transit. Yep.
And, and my dad takes it to every game. I mean,
not to Husky games because they park at Husky
stadium, but outside of Husky games, he, anytime
he has to come downtown, they park at Husky stadium,
my parents and take it down. They're in their
eighties. Oh, my mom's in her seventies, but
regardless they're there, they are elderly and
that's how they get to games. And it, and it's.
I mean, it's so convenient. That's how I get
to every game but Sounders because I have to
park to put up banner. Now, the second part of
Rowdy Rousey's question, estimates of the stadium
capacity. I mean, if you're doing a soccer -specific
stadium, they're probably going to be looking
at between 20 ,000 to 30 ,000. I would hope they
would go a little bigger, but I think you're
right. You would hope so, but the reality is
they're going to go lower because they're going
to maximize the ticket revenue by pricing it
higher. And they're going to lose season tickets.
Yes, exactly. And that's going to be the – they're
going to rip the Band -Aid. Maybe they would
get some from Tacoma. I don't know. Maybe they
would get some more South End support. But I
think the negative – what's the opposite of goodwill?
Badwill? I don't think that's the word I'm looking
for. That it creates would make people not buy
in. Look at – The scrambling and adjusting that
the Kraken are trying to do here now that the
third year is up and people who can get out of
their three -year lease on season tickets are
doing so in droves and all the impact. I'll be
honest. The only reason I still have season ticket
to the Kraken is last year I was able to break
even selling them or only lose a little bit.
And I get pre -sale for concerts. Yeah. Literally
the only reason is because I got to see, I can
go see any. band i want to see that plays there
if i can afford it unlike rush tickets that were
330 bucks each yikes but but yeah i mean that's
exactly so i i i would expect 25 that would be
um so the other question there uh that i can
speak to as well is why are flares banned at
lumen and would that change if we had a new stadium
i have a lot of information on that yeah part
of it is Part of it is going to be, what is the
fire marshal going to say? There are rules about
how it's handled, how it's done, etc. They were
briefly allowed at Starfire when S2 first started
for a few games, but then they kind of rescinded
that. More importantly, it is considered a bomb
by the ATF, so it has to be stored in a bomb
safe. And so the club has to store it. That's
a new rule that's happened in the last three
years. And so the federal government has essentially
banned them. And if you have them, you can be
charged by the ATF if you're not properly storing
them. So the club can hold up a flare in the
stadium. Yeah. The other side of that is the...
nature of cooperation with supporter culture
and and not and and it's not a dig it's more
the if if if it's oh yeah if if if a supporters
group was going to handle these rules and do
it the right way yep we'd allow it it would potentially
happen if it was 100 happen i've already gotten
the okay to have it for gorilla fc if i want
to do it the only reason i haven't is because
there's people in the front row who are allergic
to the smoke and it bothers them but the other
side of it is if it's if the conditions are that
it's completely controlled by the club and done
by the club it's yeah i know i mean it's not
the club has to the club has to hold it and the
club has to drop it into a bucket when it's done
but they do it at the direction of the supporter
group Yes. No, I get that. But I think there's...
I think it's a little complicated. Like you mentioned,
it is a little complicated. It's definitely something
I'm okay with not having. But it does... Yeah,
it's not going to happen. I mean, the fire codes
alone make it rough. Also, I mean, for a long
time they made it so banners had to be pre -treated
just because flares were allowed and they no
longer require pre -treated fire. pre -treated
banners because that makes the cost of making
tifos and banners significantly higher when you
have to pre -treat them for fire uh i will also
say though uh one thing that i hope just doesn't
catch on is during league's cup after we started
scoring some of those goals late there was a
lot of liquids being thrown up into the air um
yeah a championship game a crazy moment like
that i get it I never want to see that for a
random goal against San Jose in the regular season.
No, it's got to be something special. Yeah, just
putting it out there. So we have one more, and
that was what's next year's lineup going to be,
but I think it's specifically more, is Andy Thomas
going to be starting next year? And shout out
to Yaya for putting this one in. I mean, yeah,
yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Never mind. My bad. No,
all kidding aside, I think it really is going
to come down to, I think officially, if Stephen
Fry comes back, it will be under the guise and
the promise of a true goalkeeper competition
in training camp. Yeah. I do think that whoever
wins that competition, the Sounders will do what
they've always done and give the equivalent of
League's Cup. There probably won't be a League's
Cup next year because of the World Cup or Open
Cup or whatever. They give one of those tournaments
to the backup keeper. And not necessarily, I
mean, this is the first year I think we've seen
a whole tournament go to the backup keeper. No,
it's been stated that, but we've just never had
to put it to a test because we've never gotten
to, like, the final four games. Oh, we've had
plenty of time, though, in the U .S. Open Cup
where we have our backup keeper in until the
final two games. Well, that's what I mean, but
what I'm saying is the difference is in the last
maybe four or five, like in the Stephen Cleveland
era, the Tyler Miller era of backup keepers.
Brian has said this is their tournament, but
we've never... Oh, interesting. This is the first
time I've ever heard him say that personally.
Okay, yeah. But he has said that in the past,
but it's never really been put to the test that
late in the tournament. Yeah. I mean, I think
at this point, it's Andy Thomas' job to lose
for next year. I think that's fair. By the way,
did you see him warming up at the end of the
game? No, I saw him warming up at the beginning.
Because he didn't play, he was having to go out
and run. No, I'm sorry. Let me rephrase that.
Warming up before we brought on Osase De Rosario
when it was still a one -goal game. He was warming
up on the sidelines. I love it. You know that's
what I want. You know that I'm – I know. Put
in – I mean, keepers – and this is not a hit
on Fry. Keepers have – uh, good qualities and
bad qualities. It's like when you're training
people on FIFA and you want to train up diving
versus whatever, you know, I think I, I do think
Andy is better at, uh, penalties. But the question
is now, now here's where this is where it gets
complicated. Yes. In a nutshell, if both goalies
are coming in cold, doing a game penalties, I'm
taking Andy Thomas over Stephen Fry every time.
But where it gets complicated as well, does a
keeper who's been on the bench the entire time
have that same advantage over someone who's been
in the game the entire time? Look at Danny Leyva
and Julian Gressel hit post and he came on. His
first touch of the game was the penalty kick.
I was going to call him Malfoy. Um, but so, so,
but then there's the other side. I mean, I keep
thinking about something Andy Thomas told us
in the Alliance council meeting last year when
we met with him, uh, about this whole thing.
He's like, well, there's the, um, there's the
counterpoint, which is the coach that does that
is, you know, definitely putting a big, a big
target on their back. Because if, if, if you
go in and you don't perform. There's going to
be some serious second -guessing because it's
such an unheard -of technique that I can only
think of a handful of times. Only a handful of
times does it happen. But then again, we'll see.
I'm not opposed to it. I'm definitely not opposed
to having Thomas warm up and running on the sidelines
just to keep the possibility open. Yep, definitely.
So I think we covered the mail bag, which means
that you can probably go to work. I can, I can.
Shout out to Aaron who couldn't be here because
it is mom's birthday today. Indeed. Happy birthday,
Aaron's mom. Happy birthday, Aaron's mom. Hey,
you know what? Where can they find you? Legal
-minded punk everywhere, but Twitter. Did we
make our predictions for game three? Yeah, we
did. That's it. We did. We picked the Sounders.
I picked Minnesota and penalties. That's right.
That's right. Does that change if Andy Thomas
goes in for Stephen Fry and penalties? Then I'm
picking Seattle. And just to start it off right,
just first penalty taker, Andy Thomas. And just
tongue out. And Andy Thomas pointing to the team,
I got this. And then looking over at Dane St.
Clair and going, hey, I'll tell you what, you
put the ball down. You tell me where you want
the ball. Bitch. Andy. That was what I'm hearing
him tell his story about, you know, what was,
what was his best, his, his moment where he got
under the skin of another opponent. And he was
talking about his time at Stanford and, and a
college game that got a little bit out of hand.
Yeah. Just what, what a character. Yeah. What
a character. I mean, I love this team. This team
has so many wonderful, likable people. Last month
we had, we had Paul Rothrock. Spend a good couple
hours with us in the Alliance Council and just
chat. Couldn't be there because I teach on Tuesday
nights now. Yeah, and it's just very, very wonderful
to see the team represented by people who clearly
love the city, the culture, and to not feel like
it's just an obligation. Just really, really
wonderful. That's the other thing about moving
a team. I'm a Seattle kid. I'm not a suburban
kid. I've lived in Seattle all my life but five
years, and those were the five years I moved
away from college. I've never lived in the suburbs.
I think all of our teams should play in the city
limits. We are the Seattle Sounders. The S -curve
sounders. You think Brian Schmetzer's got opinions
on this one? I think very much so. Nathan Hale
kid. I mean, this is honestly, I do genuinely
believe that more than anything, it's a negotiating
tactic. Yeah, they're potentially exploring it.
Would they be open to it if it was in Seattle
in that downtown core? I think that that changes
the dynamic. And maybe there's an amazing investor
out there that wants to make something amazing
happen. And you can't say no. So they would be
stupid not to look into this. Yeah. And unfortunately,
venture capital is kind of the way a lot of things
are going and trending. But as long as Adrian
maintains his, you know, his. majority stake
yeah then then i think that that keeps keeps
things good now the other thing you got to keep
in mind is that these um percentages these these
sell -offs would be dipped from the existing
owners shares this is completely separate from
the 25 that's owned by jody allen Potentially.
I mean, it could be part of a deal. It depends
on what an investor wants to do. Well, no, it
depends on what Jody Allen wants to do. Well,
sure. An investor could make an offer, I'm sure,
to entice her. 100%. Considering she has just
sold the Trailblazers. Yes. Yes. Anyways, on
that note, did you ever get your Twitter account
back? Nope. It's gone. I'm not expecting it back
ever. It's probably a good break. No, no, just
a small penis. Small penis compensation vehicle.
Have you ever heard that song? I haven't, but
I think you're talking about a swastika. Swastika.
But no, this is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So check out
the song Small Penis Compensation Vehicle by
the Born Again Floozies. It's funny name. It's
very gypsy cabaret punk tubas. And yeah, it's
a fun one. It's a fun one. It's very. It's very
coded to 2010. That's good. Yeah. All right.
You can find me at Cascades2C on Instagram. Thank
you so much for listening. Just so you know,
in the future, when this season is over, hopefully
in another month or so, we will have our end
of season wrap up. We will go over our beginning
of the season predictions, see how we did. We
will do the... running score for the prediction
challenge how we've done we'll give away some
prizes we'll have a lot of fun so keep listening
keep keep supporting us uh your your support
means a lot to us we do appreciate it i personally
love seeing you all on game day love the the
random inside joke text messages that people
send each other and and just the the community
of of watching some of our listeners bring their
kids and our kids meeting and and just just the
community it's all about community so thank you
so much yep absolutely james take it away You
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Alexa, who's the best MLS team of all time? The
Seattle Sounders are both unequipped, and they're
arguably the best MLS team of all time.