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It's time for Scuttlebutt Ultras. Quick takes

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from our Patreon Ultras, sharing their soundest

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thoughts straight from the heart. Your voice,

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your moment. That's right, you are listening

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to Scuttlebutt Ultras, the special edition of

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Sounders Scuttlebutt. I am your co -host, Cameron

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Collins. I'm here today with my co -hosts, Cedar

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Banks and Alex Diaz. We are here to tell you

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why the low block is the best thing to ever exist

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in soccer. Yes. Oh, gosh. Or we are here today

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to tell you that. Vancouver Whitecaps got a German

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defender. Real Salt Lake got DeAndre Yedlin.

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Minnesota United got an Austrian midfielder.

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Colorado Rapids got U .S. National Team midfielder

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Paxton Aronson. LAFC got Brighton midfielder

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Andrew Moran. Who did the Sounders get? Jordan

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Moran. Yeah. That's right. I mean, we could probably

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call up Cody Baker, right? Yeah, no, I mean,

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he's technically on the first team roster already.

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We don't need to call him up. We'll get to that

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and more. But first, let's talk about the fact

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that four, count them, four MLS teams are in

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the final quarter, I guess the semifinals for

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the League's Cup. What are we thinking about

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all MLS final here? I mean, I don't know. It's

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a little, I'm, I'm a little disappointed just

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cause like, it'd be fun if, you know, for the

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league's cup, there's actually a couple of Liga

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Mekis teams in there, but Hey, I mean, it just

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shows that, you know, we're, we're, we're a competitive

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league. Yeah. We've, we've talked before about

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how the league's cup is. It's a little bit tilted

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just based on where they are in their season

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in Liga Mekis versus we're already. you know

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midway through our season but uh i don't know

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i i think uh it would be cool to have uh some

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some mexican mexican teams in there at the final

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but they have to you gotta earn it i guess it'd

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be fun to but it would be it would be fun to

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see more teams we haven't seen before alex what

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are you thinking i kind of i had this conversation

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with a few of my buddies earlier today he uh

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He sent a message in the group chat. He said,

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so are we going to talk about MLS going 4 -4

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-4 in the League's Cup against League MX? And

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we were like, if we're being honest, they're

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not really trying. It's their preseason tour,

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per se. I mean, they showed up. You could tell

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those games meant something to them. But I think

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the preseason is the big part, though. Yeah,

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it's kind of like, one, all the games are played

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in the U .S. So they have to do most of the traveling.

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And then you have to take into consideration

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that they're in the beginning of their season,

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whereas we're in the middle, getting ready to

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gear up towards the playoffs. Yeah. And that

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plays a big part because you can clearly see

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it when we do Champions League. You can see that

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we're struggling to compete and they're firing

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on all cylinders. Yep. So it's kind of the inverse

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of that, which... uh makes it seem fair to me

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because we have to deal with that in the more

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important tournament but does it does this does

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it hurt the credibility of this tournament that

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is all mls teams i mean i mean it's just that

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it's i think you should expect to dominate a

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tournament that you created i mean they created

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it with league of mekis so it's not a mls made

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tournament this this is both of them coming together

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because for them, it's a chance to get seen by

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all your fans in the U S who don't get to see

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you regularly. I mean, it's a huge money opportunity

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for these teams and to expand their markets in

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ways that they wouldn't be able to otherwise.

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Oh yeah. I agree completely. It's a good opportunity

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for the, for the fans in the States to be able

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to watch the teams that they might've grew up

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watching. that their family supports and stuff

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like that. And sometimes they even go to the

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old -timers games between America and who did

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you go see? Chivas. Yeah, that's right. I mean,

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I went because I got free tickets. If not, I

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went. Was it fun, though? I mean, was there some

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past stars there? Like, did they have good players

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out? They had Cuauhtemoc Blanco. Oh, nice. I

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guess he was good in his prime. I don't know

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who that is. Oh, man. Yeah, he was good. Chivas

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took Bofo. I guess he was a good forward back

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in his day, I guess. But he was just there walking.

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He scored a good PK right in the top corner.

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He scored a better PK than Christian did. That's

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funny. Blanco is in the Chamber of Deputies.

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He used to be the governor of Morales, and he's

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now in the Chamber of Deputies since then. So

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he is a, which is the bicameral, part of the

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bicameral parliament of Mexico. That's very interesting.

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But he played for a long time, started his career

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with America, 308 appearances, 108 goals, played

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all over, including Chicago Fire. Santos Laguna,

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Veracruz, Real Valladolid, and Nicasa, and came

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back to America to play one final game in 2016.

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But from 1995 to 2014, 119 appearances for Mexico,

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38 goals. So he was the man as a forward for

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a while there. No, and I mean, in that game,

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they're all over 40. But you could tell that

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their touch is still there to an extent, like

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the way they were passing the ball around. Yeah,

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I don't think you lose that. I think you lose

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the fitness, not the touch, right? Yeah, you

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use all the physical abilities, but the technical

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skills stay there. Yeah. Alex, do you feel like

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you could have hopped in there and played with

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them? Oh, for sure. I would have saved the BK.

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Nice. Hell yeah. Let's go. Yeah, you would have

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turned... To the fans, right? And be like, hey,

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I got you. Oh, yeah. Me and Thomas are very similar.

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He saved a PK. He won a PK shootout, and I won

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a PK shootout in the finals not too long ago.

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Let's go. Plus the mustaches. Mine's coming in.

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At least you didn't grow one, unlike your brothers.

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Yeah, I mean, definitely we want to hear more

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about that. Let's go back to this League's Cup

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where because LA won, even though we are the

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number one seed, they have an exception based

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on winning the MLS Cup last year where we have

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to go to LA now, play next Wednesday. But win

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or lose, we have a home game the following Wednesday.

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The question is, will it be for the championship

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against Miami or Orlando? or will it be the third

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-place game against Miami or Orlando? So we don't

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know which it'll be, but we have a good – I mean,

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we have to win one of the next two games to make

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Champions Cup because top three make it. So this

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is a huge opportunity for the Sounders. I don't

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– I'm not – I mean, I want to win it, but I'm

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more concerned about that Champions Cup spot.

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Yeah. I think it would be a true failure if we

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didn't just – if we lost. both the next two games,

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right? Because that's the main thing, getting

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back into Champions Cup. Yeah, for sure. We also

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got the transfer window closing any minute here.

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I think it closes on... It might have already

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closed, actually, now that I'm looking at it,

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because it closes today, but... 1 a .m. Eastern.

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I think they have one more hour. Now we're like

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15 minutes. Yeah, 15 minutes left. So maybe during

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this episode, we'll get Sounders news about a

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Sounders signing breaking through. Oh, boy. We'll

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find out. Wait, you didn't hear the news? Oh,

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what's that? Jordan is off the sling. Oh. That's

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big news. Good, good, good. I mean. Adding Jordan

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is kind of like adding a designated player. Funny

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how that works, huh? I mean, we joke, we kid,

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we cry. But, I mean, getting the players back

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that we have back, I think will, if they can

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continue, the rest of the team can continue to

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play the same way, will be pretty great. I just

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don't know what we do moving forward in the...

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tournament that we're still in, the League's

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Cup, because Danny Mazovsky had the red card.

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But let's get to that. Let's get to that. Sounders

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played against a team from Mexico. It's late,

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guys. It's been a long day. I've been staring

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at a computer all day. We played against Puebla,

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who they had some fans there. It was pretty fun

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to see their fans. Very vocal. Not a lot of them,

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but... Once they, especially once we got the

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red card, they were very loud. But the team that

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frankly surprised me in the game because they

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are one of the worst teams. They won their first

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game and then have been so bad in the league

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that their coach was fired. So this is the first

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game with the new coach. And usually we've seen

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Sounders kind of run a little bit on these teams.

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And we did not see that until the end of this

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game where the Sounders kind of. I mean, we had

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possession, but it felt like they were stepping

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in and their style of play just totally disrupted

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what the Sounders wanted to do. Alex, you were

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commenting during the game on it didn't seem

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like the Sounders were going on the right runs

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and weren't making one -two passes and just weren't

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moving the ball like we'd seen them move in the

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past. Do you think that was tiredness? Do you

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think that was just the Sounders not... playing

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right or was Pueblo just really good at stopping

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our game? I don't know. I kind of saw like we

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do this horseshoe of death. You know, you get

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the ball, you rotate it from one side and you

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rotate to the other. And especially that we have

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Pedro isolated on the wing, he would receive

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the ball and immediately be double teamed. But

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I would see no one, maybe then again, it's the

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way that I was viewing it on the broadcast. I

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wasn't at the game. but I wasn't able to see

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no one checking in. So he would lose the ball

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or try to do something, and then he would try

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to do too much, and then we would get caught

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out of possession, and then we had to retain

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possession again. So we were just using energy

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just to keep the ball. And there was just like

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no off -ball movement. It was just very static.

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What would you think, Cedar? Yeah, I would agree

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with that. It felt like... They came out guns

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blazing, and I felt like the ball movement was

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really, really crisp. I mean, they're really

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good at orchestrating little passing sequences

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within tight spaces. And the amount of times

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that Pedro would flick the ball up to win it

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and try to get it, there was a lot of hacky sack

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going on. It was really fun to watch, honestly.

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But yeah, it did end up being that kind of horseshoe

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of despair where Pueblo, they were really dug

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in and everybody was defending really well on

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their side. They made our lives super difficult.

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We had 80 % possession, but nothing came from

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that in the open run of play. in part because

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their defense was so good. And yeah, to Alex's

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point, it did feel like there were a lot of moments

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during the game where we would have the ball

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out wide on the wings and in the middle, it was

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like there was just this empty space and there

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were no blue shirts there. And it's like, somebody

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go occupy that space. Give our guy out wide an

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option. Yeah, it was frustrating for pretty much

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most of the game. Yeah. I mean, my big takeaway

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in the stadium watching was I just kept watching

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how they were playing Danny Masovsky. And every

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move he made, there was three defenders that

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followed him and would move in sync with him.

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And then if one had to step away, a fourth. from

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the other side would come over and become part

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of that three. And so they were shifting back

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and really making sure that he could not go on

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any runs that did anything. The one run he did

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get through was because Christian was wide open

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a few paces behind him and he went on a run and

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Christian just got, he shot it. He didn't have

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time to do this, but if somehow he could have

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just chipped it over them at that moment. And

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knowing they were going to do that, Danny would

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have been wide open to the ball. Although we

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saw that Ferreira do that later and didn't help.

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But yeah, I mean, the defense was pretty incredible,

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I thought, from a team that had really struggled

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lately. Gave up seven goals in their first league

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match back after the first round of League's

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Cup. How much do you think this was? you know,

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coach boot, but like firing the coach, you get

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a little boost. I mean, we, you spoke a little

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bit to this, but I want to be more specific.

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Do you think it was that, do you think it was

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them playing well, or was it the low block? How

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much of this is the low block and the Sounders

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inability to seem to figure out any way to break

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it? Um, I want to say that it's, 20 % the coach

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boost, and then 80 % the inability to beat a

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low block. Because they came in with a game plan

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to keep us frustrated, maybe get a red card against

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us, which they did, and then either they sneak

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a goal, or we go to penalties and end up there

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as a coin toss. And they executed their plan

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perfectly. and we're just lucky that Thomas is

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an absolute beast at PKs, and he was clip farming,

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and he won us that game. Like, he saved our ass

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last night. Yeah. Cedar? Yeah, I mean, Puebla

00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.580
really, they knew what they were doing, and they

00:16:36.580 --> 00:16:39.320
did it well. They were trying to get in our heads

00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.179
and they successfully got into Danny Masovsky's

00:16:42.179 --> 00:16:46.039
head. And, you know, I, you know, I felt like

00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:50.720
the ref was, he was, he was definitely pretty

00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:54.659
lenient and that was frustrating, but you can't

00:16:54.659 --> 00:16:57.659
control the ref, right? You can control your

00:16:57.659 --> 00:17:00.779
own emotions. And I mean, you know, I don't know

00:17:00.779 --> 00:17:04.480
what it's like to be in Danny's shoes or anything,

00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:08.420
but. You know, potentially, I mean, from the

00:17:08.420 --> 00:17:10.920
broadcast watching the game, you could see him

00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:14.420
get visibly more frustrated when they cut to

00:17:14.420 --> 00:17:18.920
him in close -up shots. And maybe that's a situation

00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:23.619
where, you know, Brian needs to be aware of and

00:17:23.619 --> 00:17:26.839
sub him out before he gets to the point where

00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:29.920
he, you know, physically touches the ref, right?

00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.700
And that's obviously a red card, right? You can't

00:17:33.700 --> 00:17:36.799
do that. do not do that. Yeah. And we'll get,

00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:38.140
we'll get back to that because it's definitely

00:17:38.140 --> 00:17:40.440
something we need to discuss, but, but yeah,

00:17:40.500 --> 00:17:44.420
keep going. Yeah. I mean, look, Puebla, they,

00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.460
they did with, with the resources that they have,

00:17:47.539 --> 00:17:51.660
the state of where they're at, you know, in having

00:17:51.660 --> 00:17:55.279
their coach just getting fired. their assistant

00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:58.380
coach stepping up and uh from what i could tell

00:17:58.380 --> 00:18:01.299
from the broadcast he was a former player of

00:18:01.299 --> 00:18:05.160
theirs too so um yeah i mean they were they were

00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:08.359
i mean they were annoying me like i wasn't even

00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:11.400
playing and they were frustrating me so you know

00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.539
they did they did a good job at that right and

00:18:14.539 --> 00:18:17.880
we have to we have to expect that um playing

00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:22.420
any team in conca calf um because that's that's

00:18:22.420 --> 00:18:25.599
the That's kind of the bread and butter of CONCACAF.

00:18:25.940 --> 00:18:32.420
So, yeah, but I do think, you know, just the

00:18:32.420 --> 00:18:35.440
general, aside from that, the general game plan

00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:39.720
of the low block against us, we've seen it work

00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:42.680
time and time again against us this season. So,

00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:47.799
yeah, I think when teams play more open, it's

00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:51.700
just so much. you know, it's, it's more fun for

00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:54.779
us and we're able to kind of play in so many

00:18:54.779 --> 00:18:58.700
different ways. And, but if a team is just bunkering

00:18:58.700 --> 00:19:02.980
down, it's, it really, it really gets frustrating.

00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.200
So post game, they, they asked Brian, someone,

00:19:06.299 --> 00:19:09.279
maybe Jada asked Brian about it on the, in the

00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:12.960
press conference. And I don't want to say he

00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.619
was dismissive, but maybe he was being realistic,

00:19:15.740 --> 00:19:19.779
but he said, look, we play LA galaxy nest. they're

00:19:19.779 --> 00:19:23.920
not going to switch to a low block. Unless suddenly

00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:25.539
they're going to completely change their style,

00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.200
we don't need to worry about it against them,

00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:29.440
and we're not going to have to worry about it

00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:31.859
against Kansas City. So we don't even need to

00:19:31.859 --> 00:19:36.960
have this conversation. But for me, if I'm any

00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:40.859
team playing the Sounders right now, I'm going

00:19:40.859 --> 00:19:43.059
to the low block because the Sounders seem unable

00:19:43.059 --> 00:19:47.930
to do anything about it. What would you do, Cedar,

00:19:48.009 --> 00:19:50.190
if you were the Sounders? How do you beat the

00:19:50.190 --> 00:19:55.789
low block? Well, back to Brian's comments about

00:19:55.789 --> 00:19:57.470
the next couple of games that we're going to

00:19:57.470 --> 00:20:00.170
be playing against these teams. Like, okay, great.

00:20:00.269 --> 00:20:03.990
Yeah, you're not expecting them to play the low

00:20:03.990 --> 00:20:07.329
block. Awesome. But there are a few teams ahead

00:20:07.329 --> 00:20:11.230
of us on the table, like Minnesota, who do really

00:20:11.230 --> 00:20:15.250
well with not, you know, they don't need to possess

00:20:15.250 --> 00:20:18.920
the ball. be super efficient and super dangerous

00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:21.819
right they did it against us twice this season

00:20:21.819 --> 00:20:26.099
uh vancouver not as extreme but they're they're

00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:29.160
a little bit similar in that way of of the they

00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:31.339
don't necessarily need to put up possess the

00:20:31.339 --> 00:20:33.420
ball and they're comfortable letting you have

00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:36.640
it and then hitting you on the counter so i yeah

00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.660
i think that's a little i don't know i mean yeah

00:20:39.660 --> 00:20:42.299
great the next two games sure they're not gonna

00:20:42.299 --> 00:20:45.890
be in a low block we're expecting but You still

00:20:45.890 --> 00:20:48.329
have to, I don't know, you still have to have

00:20:48.329 --> 00:20:53.349
a way to be that. And what do you do? I don't

00:20:53.349 --> 00:20:56.450
know. I mean, I honestly don't know. It seems

00:20:56.450 --> 00:21:00.789
like part of it, too, is we've gotten incredibly

00:21:00.789 --> 00:21:06.190
unlucky because we do generate some opportunities,

00:21:06.630 --> 00:21:09.230
some good opportunities, right? I mean, even

00:21:09.230 --> 00:21:12.910
last night, Jesus, he had a golden opportunity.

00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:19.069
he didn't take it right so that's gonna that's

00:21:19.069 --> 00:21:22.069
going to further add to this kind of snowball

00:21:22.069 --> 00:21:25.569
effect of it's it's really a i mean it feels

00:21:25.569 --> 00:21:28.430
like a mental thing it feels like we're we're

00:21:28.430 --> 00:21:30.869
we're still generating all of these chances right

00:21:30.869 --> 00:21:34.569
you look at the xg we're still generating you

00:21:34.569 --> 00:21:38.250
know one and a half two two expected goals a

00:21:38.250 --> 00:21:40.910
game against these teams it's just we're just

00:21:40.910 --> 00:21:43.859
not converting We're not, maybe it's luck. Maybe

00:21:43.859 --> 00:21:46.700
it's finishing. I don't know. But I think the

00:21:46.700 --> 00:21:51.559
fact that it hasn't happened to where we've had

00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:54.660
a win in the run of play against a low block

00:21:54.660 --> 00:21:57.720
team, at least in recent memory, right? It feels

00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:01.380
like they're all losses. And obviously we win

00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:05.519
this one in PKs. But the fact that we haven't,

00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:07.380
like it feels like we haven't done that yet.

00:22:07.420 --> 00:22:10.200
We haven't got the monkey off our back in that

00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:13.589
manner. And that just adds to that kind of like,

00:22:13.650 --> 00:22:15.589
oh, they're in a low block again. And we're like,

00:22:15.650 --> 00:22:17.750
you know, we're so good at possessing the ball

00:22:17.750 --> 00:22:19.269
and keeping it and blah, blah, blah. But then

00:22:19.269 --> 00:22:22.190
we just can't do it. It's it's incredibly frustrating.

00:22:22.849 --> 00:22:26.450
And I don't I'd I'd be the last person to know

00:22:26.450 --> 00:22:30.769
what the solution to that is. Alex, what are

00:22:30.769 --> 00:22:32.670
you doing? I mean, I've heard you have ideas,

00:22:32.809 --> 00:22:39.210
but. Obviously, Brian. isn't sitting back going

00:22:39.210 --> 00:22:40.789
like, yeah, we're just not going to try and attack

00:22:40.789 --> 00:22:43.269
it. What do you do if you're in his position,

00:22:43.369 --> 00:22:47.150
though? I tell my guys, guys, just take a shot

00:22:47.150 --> 00:22:49.369
from outside the box. Just put it in the box.

00:22:49.849 --> 00:22:51.390
Things happen when you put the ball in the box.

00:22:51.769 --> 00:22:53.750
We've seen it. We've seen what Minnesota did.

00:22:53.809 --> 00:22:55.069
They put the ball in the box and it went in.

00:22:55.710 --> 00:22:59.670
Yeah. I mean, just you miss all the shots you

00:22:59.670 --> 00:23:03.970
don't take. Yeah. Minnesota is also really good

00:23:03.970 --> 00:23:08.019
at set pieces, though. Like, insanely good. And

00:23:08.019 --> 00:23:10.079
in the League's Cup, we were three goals off

00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:14.759
three corners. Yeah. And we had a lot of corners

00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:19.299
last night. Yeah, quite a few. And I will say,

00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:22.400
Jesus' corner, like, I was kind of, I know everyone

00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.559
wants to see Georgie, and before the break, usually

00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:28.519
we wouldn't go straight to the match, but I know

00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:30.680
everyone wants to see Georgie do his little runs,

00:23:30.819 --> 00:23:34.759
and in general, like, I like that, but to me...

00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.819
It felt like, oh, because Georgie can beat him,

00:23:37.859 --> 00:23:39.359
we're going to keep doing this to try and get

00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:41.180
the ball in the box. But it wasn't happening.

00:23:41.259 --> 00:23:42.700
They were clearing it off the line. In fact,

00:23:42.740 --> 00:23:45.119
I think we had like three corners in a row at

00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:47.420
one point. But they kept passing it short to

00:23:47.420 --> 00:23:50.059
him. And then you saw Jesus actually take two

00:23:50.059 --> 00:23:53.740
long corners. And they were incredible. No one

00:23:53.740 --> 00:23:55.500
got on the end of them, but they were high. And

00:23:55.500 --> 00:23:57.940
the way they came down was what we've needed

00:23:57.940 --> 00:24:02.279
for years from the Sounders. And so for me, I'm

00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.279
just... I wonder between that and then at the

00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:08.400
end of the game, I don't know if it was coaching

00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:10.380
that said to do this or the players. They felt

00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:12.599
like they could have had another shot or two

00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:14.539
at the end, and they kept passing it all the

00:24:14.539 --> 00:24:17.799
way back to Andy and just pulling their feet

00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:20.740
off the gas and resetting at a time when you

00:24:20.740 --> 00:24:24.759
really needed to push it forward. Yeah, what

00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:26.640
I kind of saw was like, Yamar didn't want to

00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:28.880
pass the ball to Georgie. Yeah, that's what it

00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:31.259
kind of felt like. But then I think on the broadcast

00:24:31.259 --> 00:24:33.299
they were pointing out Brian was giving him an

00:24:33.299 --> 00:24:37.519
earful. Yamar? Yeah, that he was giving Yamar

00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:39.500
an earful for not passing it to Georgie. Interesting.

00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:41.180
So that's good to know because we couldn't see

00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:44.960
that from the stands where I am. No, but... Because

00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:46.279
it was. That was the end. We were like, what

00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:49.819
just happened here? Why did Yamar just give up

00:24:49.819 --> 00:24:51.599
in that moment when he was obviously trying to

00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:56.240
push it forward? Yeah. But back to... Jesus,

00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:58.319
I actually really like the way that he takes

00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:00.440
set pieces, apart from the free kick that he

00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.279
had. Yeah, he kind of launched that one. That

00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:04.980
one, I kind of felt like you should let Pedro

00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:08.839
take it. Because I think he can just curl the

00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.759
ball in the corner. But you know that I'm very

00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.680
biased. Yeah, free Pedro, everybody. I was back

00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.039
in the free Pedro movement yesterday because

00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.980
he got taken out early. But let's take a break

00:25:21.980 --> 00:25:24.359
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00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:27.920
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00:27:30.859 --> 00:27:34.039
And we are back. So yes, the Sounders defeat

00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:39.619
Puebla 4 -3 on penalties after a 0 -0 draw in

00:27:39.619 --> 00:27:43.259
regular time. Straight to penalties. Do we like

00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:49.599
straight to penalties? Yeah. Yeah, I like that.

00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.779
I like that. I think additional extra time, especially

00:27:52.779 --> 00:27:58.500
against this team, would have gone horribly wrong.

00:27:59.099 --> 00:28:03.339
And down a man. Yeah, it felt like a goal was

00:28:03.339 --> 00:28:05.480
coming even before we went down a man. It felt

00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.299
like the Minnesota match to me. They almost got

00:28:08.299 --> 00:28:14.180
one. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, if they score this,

00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:20.019
I'm going nuts. Yeah, if we had lost that game,

00:28:20.180 --> 00:28:27.319
that would have been the worst loss of the season

00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:31.569
for me. For my money. That would have been a

00:28:31.569 --> 00:28:34.869
disappointment. At that point. The 7 -0. Does

00:28:34.869 --> 00:28:40.170
not even matter. It doesn't matter. No of course

00:28:40.170 --> 00:28:46.349
not. Because it's such a. It's such a. I mean

00:28:46.349 --> 00:28:50.390
yeah. They're always highs and lows. But it's

00:28:50.390 --> 00:28:55.809
like. An outlier. Yeah exactly. It's an outlier.

00:28:56.970 --> 00:28:59.180
Nobody's. Nobody's going to take that really

00:28:59.180 --> 00:29:02.640
seriously if you don't, you know, keep your positive

00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.119
momentum going. And, boy, we did, but just by

00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:12.500
the slimmest of margins. I mean, we really. By

00:29:12.500 --> 00:29:17.039
the hair of Thomas. Yeah, seriously. Oh, my goodness.

00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:22.759
Yeah. That was wild. This, like, saying that,

00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.440
it raises the question for me. Like, as a coach.

00:29:28.029 --> 00:29:31.230
You clearly see that Thomas is in one of the

00:29:31.230 --> 00:29:36.089
best forms of his life. And do you continue to

00:29:36.089 --> 00:29:41.329
stardom? I continue to stardom. But what do you

00:29:41.329 --> 00:29:44.710
guys do? Cedar, what are you thinking? Oh, I

00:29:44.710 --> 00:29:48.029
would definitely continue to stardom for League's

00:29:48.029 --> 00:29:50.430
Cup for sure. Oh yeah, he is definitely for League's

00:29:50.430 --> 00:29:54.829
Cup. Yeah, he earned that. I mean, part of it

00:29:54.829 --> 00:30:02.599
too is like... I think against MLS teams, I think

00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:07.059
I'd still be okay with Steph Fry in goal just

00:30:07.059 --> 00:30:11.740
because, look, he's still the number one. I do

00:30:11.740 --> 00:30:16.220
think that Andy is clearly on the rise and probably

00:30:16.220 --> 00:30:19.200
in better form right now. And I honestly don't

00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:25.299
think we win that game in penalties if Fry is

00:30:25.299 --> 00:30:30.599
in goal. You know, that's his big weak spot.

00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.420
Yeah, and people say, well, he did win against

00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:35.420
Houston, but those were off the bar, if I recall

00:30:35.420 --> 00:30:39.619
correctly. Those were not... Yeah, I mean, yeah.

00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.420
Okay, he beat, yeah, Houston in a playoff series,

00:30:44.740 --> 00:30:47.599
right? Before that, Fry had saved two penalties

00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:51.099
in his entire career. Yeah, that's his weak spot.

00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.890
I think, you know, Andy is clearly... Clearly

00:30:55.890 --> 00:30:59.990
coming into his own in big knockout tournament

00:30:59.990 --> 00:31:03.670
games, right? You love to see it because that's

00:31:03.670 --> 00:31:07.009
the future. I think for the time being in MLS

00:31:07.009 --> 00:31:11.369
regular season, it's still Fry's job until he

00:31:11.369 --> 00:31:15.029
plays poorly enough to lose it, which could happen,

00:31:15.289 --> 00:31:19.250
but I could also see him doing a fine job, especially

00:31:19.250 --> 00:31:23.819
because you're not going to penalties. those

00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:26.400
games. So I'm not worried about that. Hopefully

00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.759
not. You could in the playoffs. Well, playoffs.

00:31:29.980 --> 00:31:32.680
No, well, totally. I'm saying regular season.

00:31:32.819 --> 00:31:34.779
Yeah, great. I mean, I think Fry's earned it,

00:31:34.819 --> 00:31:39.240
right? I don't think you can say he got hurt.

00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:42.799
He's come back. It was interesting talking to

00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:44.720
Nicholas as a goalie about the goal that he gave

00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:49.420
up against Minnesota where it wasn't what he

00:31:49.420 --> 00:31:51.440
did is what any rational person would have done

00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.339
as a goalie in that position. because you expect

00:31:54.339 --> 00:31:58.480
a different thing to happen. So I think Fry's

00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.039
earned the benefit of the doubt here, but I do

00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.039
think it raises major questions for me for next

00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.819
year because of the amount of money Fry makes.

00:32:07.099 --> 00:32:11.240
I love Steph. He's been so kind to me when I've

00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:14.579
spent time with him. Always goes out of his way

00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:17.779
to make you feel welcome. Talks openly about

00:32:17.779 --> 00:32:21.670
stuff. Like when he was going through his contract

00:32:21.670 --> 00:32:25.970
stuff, just, just such a good dude. And this

00:32:25.970 --> 00:32:28.210
week had a really interesting interview when

00:32:28.210 --> 00:32:31.309
he was talking about what it's like to play at

00:32:31.309 --> 00:32:33.230
his age and how hard it is. Cause he has to get

00:32:33.230 --> 00:32:35.450
up because he lives far away at five 45 in the

00:32:35.450 --> 00:32:37.349
morning, catch the ferry over just so he can

00:32:37.349 --> 00:32:39.529
get the proper treatment so that he can actually

00:32:39.529 --> 00:32:42.789
practice. And, and eventually that's going to

00:32:42.789 --> 00:32:44.910
stop. He's, he's not saying he's retiring now,

00:32:44.990 --> 00:32:46.970
but he says, you know, something I think about

00:32:46.970 --> 00:32:50.289
because it's getting harder. So. There's at some

00:32:50.289 --> 00:32:53.150
point where the love of the game will be outweighed

00:32:53.150 --> 00:32:55.849
by the suffering that one must go through to

00:32:55.849 --> 00:32:58.109
continue to play the game. I mean, that's why

00:32:58.109 --> 00:32:59.930
Steve Zaccowani had to retire in the end. His

00:32:59.930 --> 00:33:02.769
injuries were so much that the pain it caused,

00:33:02.990 --> 00:33:06.309
he couldn't do what he wanted to do. And he would

00:33:06.309 --> 00:33:08.589
have to get treatment like for hours before and

00:33:08.589 --> 00:33:11.410
after every match. And it just, it's got to be

00:33:11.410 --> 00:33:13.230
super frustrating as a professional athlete.

00:33:13.670 --> 00:33:16.170
So obviously Fry's thinking about it, but I don't

00:33:16.170 --> 00:33:22.640
think he's obviously ready. Brian, I will say,

00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.240
before was very much, this is Steph's team. And

00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:29.599
now he's not as adamant about it. So I'm wondering

00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:33.319
if there is talk behind the scenes on if they're

00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:34.400
going to bring him back. Are they going to move

00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.400
on? Is there a way to keep him on the roster?

00:33:36.500 --> 00:33:41.680
I'd be really interesting to see what talk they're

00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:47.180
having. No, I think that the best thing, you're

00:33:47.180 --> 00:33:50.640
never ready to retire, right? as an athlete,

00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:53.380
you're never ready to leave the game that you've

00:33:53.380 --> 00:33:56.220
done all your life. But I do think that it's

00:33:56.220 --> 00:33:59.839
better to leave the game at the right moment.

00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.920
Leave at the top of your game instead of leaving

00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.160
at your lowest points. But if you could make

00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:11.119
$600 ,000 again next year and just not be quite

00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:13.789
as good as you were... i think maybe because

00:34:13.789 --> 00:34:15.610
we're not talking about millionaires right i

00:34:15.610 --> 00:34:17.190
mean he might have he might be a millionaire

00:34:17.190 --> 00:34:19.269
technically but we're not talking about like

00:34:19.269 --> 00:34:22.309
a pro football player pro baseball player like

00:34:22.309 --> 00:34:25.849
he he has a chance to earn enough money to set

00:34:25.849 --> 00:34:28.010
him up for the rest of his continue to set himself

00:34:28.010 --> 00:34:30.610
up for the rest of his life and his dog because

00:34:30.610 --> 00:34:31.869
i don't think he has kids right for the rest

00:34:31.869 --> 00:34:36.809
of his dog's life so uh it's all the money gonna

00:34:36.809 --> 00:34:38.590
go to his dog like those people that in their

00:34:38.590 --> 00:34:41.630
will give all their money to their pets yeah

00:34:43.250 --> 00:34:46.530
The thing is, if he comes back next year, is

00:34:46.530 --> 00:34:49.969
he going to start just because he's Steph? That's

00:34:49.969 --> 00:34:54.429
the question. You know, Fryan tends to have his

00:34:54.429 --> 00:34:58.090
favorites. Yeah. And we know that we have a great

00:34:58.090 --> 00:35:01.269
defensive back line, depending on what they do

00:35:01.269 --> 00:35:04.429
in the offseason. Yeah. And I think that Steph

00:35:04.429 --> 00:35:09.710
has been very lucky to have a back line that

00:35:09.710 --> 00:35:16.480
he has. Yeah. Definitely. But a backline also

00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.860
that he is, you know, he is captaining and orchestrating

00:35:21.860 --> 00:35:25.800
on the field too. And it feels like Thomas is

00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.840
getting more comfortable with orchestrating his

00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:33.619
guys. At least it seems like that from me watching

00:35:33.619 --> 00:35:36.059
from afar. Yeah. You can, you can hear him on

00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:37.539
the, you could hear him on the broadcast. Oh

00:35:37.539 --> 00:35:42.179
yeah. Definitely can hear it. Yeah. Yeah, which

00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:44.780
is great. I think for me personally, I'm a big

00:35:44.780 --> 00:35:48.420
softie. I'm like, look, of course, like Stephen

00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:52.039
Fry is amazing. He's the guy who you build the

00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:56.679
statue of outside the stadium, 100%. And for

00:35:56.679 --> 00:36:01.500
me, I feel like, all right, well, we know his

00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:05.820
career is, it's close to an end, right? That's

00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:09.340
why we got to win MLS Cup this year. Right. Let's

00:36:09.340 --> 00:36:11.599
go out on a high note. And if he does come back

00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:17.519
next year, I would say, I mean, I would venture

00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.519
to guess that he might be fine with being the

00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:26.219
backup option, especially if he's getting paid,

00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:29.219
you know, the money that he probably deserves

00:36:29.219 --> 00:36:33.380
for being such an important part of this club

00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:39.349
for so long. And I think that. i'm guessing i

00:36:39.349 --> 00:36:42.230
mean i don't know him i've never met him um but

00:36:42.230 --> 00:36:44.869
he seems like a reasonable guy like if he's if

00:36:44.869 --> 00:36:47.190
he's willing to come back next season not be

00:36:47.190 --> 00:36:49.769
the starter but to be that guy who's playing

00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:53.469
in open cup games or you know champions league

00:36:53.469 --> 00:36:57.909
or you know like rotating right right yeah i

00:36:57.909 --> 00:37:00.949
mean then you know you have thomas is your number

00:37:00.949 --> 00:37:04.329
one i would love that setup if if that's you

00:37:04.329 --> 00:37:08.480
know if that's a cool with, with Fry, I mean,

00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.920
that could be a total win. I mean, what Fry said

00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.260
the other day in the interview was that he, it

00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:15.260
doesn't care who, I mean, he obviously cares,

00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.719
but it doesn't matter who is the starting goalie

00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:20.980
in the game. He's going to support, whether it's

00:37:20.980 --> 00:37:23.500
himself or another player, them as best as he

00:37:23.500 --> 00:37:24.800
can throughout it. And they're going to work

00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.380
together to try and have the best outcome. So,

00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.179
I mean, those are things that I, I mean, it didn't

00:37:31.179 --> 00:37:32.500
sound like he was just saying the right thing.

00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:36.059
It sounded sincere. And so. I think there's a

00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:39.780
possibility that my, my one worry, and this isn't

00:37:39.780 --> 00:37:41.860
always the case. I mean, in Seattle, we do tend

00:37:41.860 --> 00:37:43.900
to hold onto players too long in every sport.

00:37:45.300 --> 00:37:49.179
We tend to let them go too late. And I think

00:37:49.179 --> 00:37:51.380
that's one of the reasons why we let Ozzy Alonzo

00:37:51.380 --> 00:37:53.579
go. And then he turned out to have another good

00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:57.679
three or four years left. Maybe it was two, but

00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.440
he played longer than that, obviously, but Ozzy.

00:38:00.989 --> 00:38:03.010
could have been brought back. He had been injured

00:38:03.010 --> 00:38:04.610
for a few years. He wasn't getting the minutes

00:38:04.610 --> 00:38:07.469
that we needed from a player that was making

00:38:07.469 --> 00:38:09.849
as much money as he did, especially in that MLS

00:38:09.849 --> 00:38:12.530
era when the roster rules were a little different

00:38:12.530 --> 00:38:15.929
in terms of number of TAM players and DPs and

00:38:15.929 --> 00:38:19.809
all that kind of stuff. But I just don't want

00:38:19.809 --> 00:38:24.130
to give up on someone who could be our best option.

00:38:25.849 --> 00:38:27.869
But there is part of me that goes, Andy Thomas

00:38:27.869 --> 00:38:29.989
proves time and time again that he's the man.

00:38:33.049 --> 00:38:35.210
It's a good thing that we're not the coach or

00:38:35.210 --> 00:38:40.030
the GM making those decisions. It would be weird

00:38:40.030 --> 00:38:42.510
to have Andy Thomas be the starting goalie for

00:38:42.510 --> 00:38:45.989
this reason alone. Maybe, maybe this is unfair

00:38:45.989 --> 00:38:47.909
because Steph Fry wasn't this when he came in,

00:38:47.969 --> 00:38:50.570
but you think about it, we had Casey Keller and

00:38:50.570 --> 00:38:52.389
then we had Spurning who, while not a name in

00:38:52.389 --> 00:38:55.269
the U S was an established goalkeeper. And you

00:38:55.269 --> 00:38:59.550
had Fry who, you know, was young, had lost his

00:38:59.550 --> 00:39:03.280
job in Toronto because of injury. And then, but

00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:07.519
did come up to the US soccer system, which I

00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:09.219
believe is why Siggy was familiar with him because

00:39:09.219 --> 00:39:11.219
Siggy had coached the U18s or something like

00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:15.619
that at one point. But he was a name in the MLS

00:39:15.619 --> 00:39:17.179
that we've heard of, whereas Andy Thomas just

00:39:17.179 --> 00:39:18.860
came up through our own system. So it's what

00:39:18.860 --> 00:39:22.179
we do now is bring up players, but it's not bringing

00:39:22.179 --> 00:39:24.280
in an established name, even if you're taking

00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.539
a chance on them nonetheless, like they did with

00:39:26.539 --> 00:39:30.460
Fry. We've had such a huge personality in that

00:39:30.460 --> 00:39:33.900
position. And I think Andy can fill it, but it's

00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:35.719
kind of like, how do you fill the hole one day

00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:42.579
when Christian retires? Yeah. Snyder. I mean,

00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:43.900
that's how you fill it as a player, but he's

00:39:43.900 --> 00:39:46.539
not filling it as a man, as a leader, as, you

00:39:46.539 --> 00:39:49.380
know, things like that. You can mold the player.

00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:54.900
There are facial prosthetics, you know, facial

00:39:54.900 --> 00:39:57.260
surgeries to kind of make somebody look like

00:39:57.260 --> 00:40:00.059
another person. I'm sure he has a cousin somewhere.

00:40:01.700 --> 00:40:06.000
I mean, look, we haven't been able to replace

00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:10.500
one -for -one Niko Ladero, right? Or an Ozzy

00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:14.619
Alonso or Raul Ruiz Diaz, right? Ruiz Diaz, especially.

00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.039
But Niko, you had Rust navigating in the wings.

00:40:17.059 --> 00:40:20.159
He was already an established superstar. Oh,

00:40:20.179 --> 00:40:26.539
totally. Albert has a completely different game.

00:40:26.820 --> 00:40:30.980
I mean, it's a different vibe. It's not worse

00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:34.739
or better necessarily. It's just different. And

00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:37.800
I feel like that's what has to happen. The club

00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:41.800
just has to evolve for the important pieces that

00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.579
they have. I mean, they let people be who they

00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:48.059
are to a certain extent. It really feels like

00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:54.559
that. There is room for these guys to play the

00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.820
way that they want to play and to their personalities.

00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:01.760
sometimes to the detriment of the club, but often

00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:05.880
I think it's a, it's a net positive because you

00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.360
have people who are comfortable being themselves

00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:12.000
doing, you know, playing the game that they love

00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:17.800
the most in, in high stakes situations. I think

00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:20.260
that's, that's a really good thing. And I don't

00:41:20.260 --> 00:41:23.300
think that that's a given in, you know, every

00:41:23.300 --> 00:41:27.079
club everywhere. So I, I think, I think, yeah,

00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:30.360
that's, that's, That's a very important question,

00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:33.019
though, right? I mean, what do you do when Roldan

00:41:33.019 --> 00:41:37.300
moves on? And other people who are super important

00:41:37.300 --> 00:41:40.639
to the club. But I think you just do what they

00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:44.579
seem to have been doing, is bring people in who

00:41:44.579 --> 00:41:53.039
fit within the club's ethos and add to that chemistry

00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.539
in their own way. I mean, this team is like...

00:41:55.929 --> 00:42:00.389
It has a completely different feel of the team

00:42:00.389 --> 00:42:02.909
just even a couple of seasons ago. Even though

00:42:02.909 --> 00:42:07.630
we have so many returning players as the team

00:42:07.630 --> 00:42:10.809
that won Champions League. You still have a ton

00:42:10.809 --> 00:42:14.929
of players who were there for that. And yet this

00:42:14.929 --> 00:42:19.170
team feels like its own thing. It's its own iteration.

00:42:19.550 --> 00:42:24.630
And I like that. You have to evolve. I don't

00:42:24.630 --> 00:42:27.429
know. I, I, I'm not, I'm not too worried about

00:42:27.429 --> 00:42:30.750
like that, like replacing people as long as they're,

00:42:30.849 --> 00:42:35.889
they keep bringing in people who are all about

00:42:35.889 --> 00:42:39.530
what the club is, is stands for. Right. Yeah.

00:42:39.750 --> 00:42:44.570
Yeah. And you know, another thought about Fry

00:42:44.570 --> 00:42:45.909
that I had been thinking about, and I think I

00:42:45.909 --> 00:42:47.869
might've mentioned to you, Alex, but I actually

00:42:47.869 --> 00:42:49.989
asked Jackson Feltz and he said, you know, this

00:42:49.989 --> 00:42:52.250
is a great question. You should ask Brian or,

00:42:52.269 --> 00:42:56.099
or Craig. And so I think I'm going to ask Craig

00:42:56.099 --> 00:43:00.119
this, is how come we don't do baseball and send

00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:07.039
players to Tacoma for rehab stints? I feel like

00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.219
getting Fry a couple games in goal with a little

00:43:10.219 --> 00:43:12.460
less pressure on him to get him back to full

00:43:12.460 --> 00:43:15.760
game speed, in my brain, just makes sense. Maybe

00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:17.980
it doesn't for a soccer player. Maybe there's

00:43:17.980 --> 00:43:21.760
other good reasons not to do it. But I'd love

00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.829
to know. why is the game played so differently

00:43:24.829 --> 00:43:27.050
than, than say baseball? I mean, obviously a

00:43:27.050 --> 00:43:29.150
different game, but if you have a club team in

00:43:29.150 --> 00:43:30.969
Tacoma that you can send a player to, why not

00:43:30.969 --> 00:43:34.949
just loan them down for a game? Maybe, maybe

00:43:34.949 --> 00:43:37.750
it's contract. Like his contract would be too

00:43:37.750 --> 00:43:40.110
much. Maybe the rules are don't allow it, but

00:43:40.110 --> 00:43:45.329
it just seems logical to me. Yeah. That way.

00:43:45.449 --> 00:43:47.530
Cause I think the only way, especially after

00:43:47.530 --> 00:43:52.800
an injury, like, like his, The only way he'll

00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.679
get back to full fitness is to get games. I do

00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.960
think that he was brought a week early. I expected

00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.800
him to start against Kansas City, not against

00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.440
Minnesota. To me, he looked a little bit slow

00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:11.199
as far as his reactions. On that dive that he

00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.519
talked about, the knuckleball, he kind of got

00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.820
up a little slow. I was a little concerned about

00:44:15.820 --> 00:44:21.150
that. the decision he made that led to the goal

00:44:21.150 --> 00:44:26.250
he was kind of stuck in no man's land and it's

00:44:26.250 --> 00:44:28.550
just about like have you you're stuck in two

00:44:28.550 --> 00:44:30.230
decisions and you just don't know what you're

00:44:30.230 --> 00:44:32.730
gonna do so you're just kind of stuck and that's

00:44:32.730 --> 00:44:34.590
what you see when he talks about the starfish

00:44:34.590 --> 00:44:39.010
and it's just like that's gonna come with games

00:44:39.010 --> 00:44:44.690
and they're gonna play yeah but i do agree that

00:44:44.690 --> 00:44:46.960
we should like That should be a conversation

00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:48.840
to be had is like, why can't we send them down

00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:52.539
to Tacoma for practices or a game or have Tacoma

00:44:52.539 --> 00:44:55.619
do a friendly against the reserve from the first

00:44:55.619 --> 00:45:00.460
team or something like that? Yeah. Looks like,

00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.659
I mean, I guess since I'm suspended on Twitter,

00:45:04.300 --> 00:45:08.920
found out it's because someone tried to log into

00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:10.719
my account from multiple locations, I think.

00:45:11.980 --> 00:45:15.079
That's the only thing I can think of. Because

00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:18.320
my passwords were compromised yesterday. And

00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.739
so I had to go. Someone broke into my Spotify,

00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.159
into my Netflix, changed the emails on Netflix,

00:45:24.300 --> 00:45:26.960
changed the email on. And so luckily they send

00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:28.699
you a notification so I can immediately change

00:45:28.699 --> 00:45:31.320
it back. Reddit, I lost. I mean, I don't use

00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:33.599
Reddit a lot, but I get some Sonics news there.

00:45:33.699 --> 00:45:36.960
And I use it to learn how to build my Synology

00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:44.659
NAS, my server. I don't see anything on Twitter

00:45:44.659 --> 00:45:46.739
right now about the Sounders making any signings

00:45:46.739 --> 00:45:49.280
in that last 15 minutes that we talked about.

00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:51.920
So I'm assuming we're moving forward as we are.

00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:57.380
But after that first half, Sounders, I felt pretty

00:45:57.380 --> 00:45:59.920
frustrated. A lot of shots, nothing really dangerous.

00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:01.800
How are you all feeling once you get through

00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.900
the first half? 0 -0. Felt like more of the same,

00:46:05.980 --> 00:46:08.940
kind of. Yeah, the first half we had, what, like

00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:11.079
43 %? I don't know how much the possession was,

00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.340
but we had zero shots on target. Yeah. Wevla

00:46:13.340 --> 00:46:17.920
had a shot on target. Yeah. And I was just like,

00:46:18.059 --> 00:46:20.900
that's frustrating. I'm like, we have possession

00:46:20.900 --> 00:46:26.239
with no intent to deliver. You gotta have intent

00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.739
to deliver. Otherwise, you can't be charged.

00:46:30.059 --> 00:46:32.559
That's not true. You can be charged for just

00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:34.360
possession, but it's higher when it's intent

00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:39.139
to deliver. No, it was really frustrating to

00:46:39.139 --> 00:46:42.829
watch. It was just like... I felt like we're

00:46:42.829 --> 00:46:47.690
going to find a way to lose this game. I really

00:46:47.690 --> 00:46:51.969
felt that way. And I really want to win League's

00:46:51.969 --> 00:46:54.489
Cup because that's a trophy that we don't have

00:46:54.489 --> 00:46:58.530
and so we can qualify to Champions League. And

00:46:58.530 --> 00:47:02.329
I'm like, we're at home. You can't ask for anything

00:47:02.329 --> 00:47:07.550
else. Just win the game. I thought it was going

00:47:07.550 --> 00:47:08.949
to be where we turned it around like we have

00:47:08.949 --> 00:47:10.909
in other games at home. I mean, I truly thought

00:47:10.909 --> 00:47:12.130
– I also didn't think they were going to play

00:47:12.130 --> 00:47:14.630
the low block because the way they've been playing.

00:47:14.710 --> 00:47:25.170
But, yeah, it didn't happen. Well, and it's really

00:47:25.170 --> 00:47:30.090
interesting, like, comparing soccer to other

00:47:30.090 --> 00:47:34.130
sports where you have – you can have such a gap

00:47:34.130 --> 00:47:38.769
in talent, right, between one team and another

00:47:38.769 --> 00:47:46.809
team. And yet, even a much weaker team overall,

00:47:47.150 --> 00:47:51.650
right? I mean, Club Puebla has a smaller budget

00:47:51.650 --> 00:47:54.869
than we do, right? They're not playing well.

00:47:54.949 --> 00:47:58.349
They just fired their coach. They are, on paper,

00:47:58.429 --> 00:48:00.369
the worst team, right? And you see this happen

00:48:00.369 --> 00:48:04.489
a lot. Even though the gap is there, there's

00:48:04.489 --> 00:48:08.769
still that ability in this sport for teams to...

00:48:09.850 --> 00:48:15.349
to close that gap in ways that are super frustrating

00:48:15.349 --> 00:48:19.170
by sitting in a low block. You have to, you have

00:48:19.170 --> 00:48:21.670
to kind of expect that, you know, especially

00:48:21.670 --> 00:48:24.289
when you're playing in international tournaments.

00:48:25.150 --> 00:48:30.010
I mean, we had to, we had to do, I think we were

00:48:30.010 --> 00:48:35.690
a little bit braver, but we essentially did our

00:48:35.690 --> 00:48:40.719
own version of that. against like atletico madrid

00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:44.059
and psg you know we were trying to possess the

00:48:44.059 --> 00:48:47.440
ball we ended up not being able to possess it

00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:52.639
all that much um and you know we were also defending

00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:56.139
our asses off against those teams right and it

00:48:56.139 --> 00:49:00.219
was it was close you know it was it was relatively

00:49:00.219 --> 00:49:03.409
close for what you would expect you know, between

00:49:03.409 --> 00:49:06.929
a team that has a half a billion dollar budget

00:49:06.929 --> 00:49:09.110
or over a billion dollar budget and the team

00:49:09.110 --> 00:49:12.329
that, what are we sitting at? It's like 60 million

00:49:12.329 --> 00:49:16.510
is our, is our, you know, is our payroll, whatever

00:49:16.510 --> 00:49:20.289
it is, or our valuation. So, you know, if it,

00:49:20.369 --> 00:49:24.210
I mean, soccer, it feels like it's really the

00:49:24.210 --> 00:49:26.570
only sport where that can happen. Whereas in

00:49:26.570 --> 00:49:31.039
other sports. any gap in talent and all of that,

00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.880
you're getting decimated. The whole argument

00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.280
about the best college football team against

00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:40.199
an NFL team. Even the worst NFL team is going

00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:42.039
to win every single time. All those horrible

00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:45.139
Miami Dolphins teams or Browns teams are destroyed.

00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:50.659
They would be up on Alabama or Ohio State, Michigan.

00:49:53.980 --> 00:49:57.000
Yeah, it's it's this is the sport. This is a

00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.360
sport. And so it has the propensity to be extremely

00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.460
frustrating in moments. I will say we've detailed.

00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.840
Yeah, we were talking earlier about how this

00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:09.760
is their preseason. So obviously the MLS should

00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:11.960
be better. That wasn't always the case, though.

00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:15.760
So the fact that the MLS is. winning and playing

00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:18.840
better than the Mexican teams is actually a huge

00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.440
deal I think I mean obviously in a perfect world

00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.239
it would be a more fair setup for this but uh

00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.940
I think four or five years ago you're not getting

00:50:27.940 --> 00:50:32.679
two teams through to the final four let alone

00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:36.980
all four well and in the whole you know I think

00:50:36.980 --> 00:50:39.460
I think for the Alex, you were talking about,

00:50:39.460 --> 00:50:41.380
talking with your buddies, the argument about

00:50:41.380 --> 00:50:44.440
like, oh, well, you know, they didn't really

00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:48.699
try like the Liga Mequis teams. It looks like

00:50:48.699 --> 00:50:52.460
Puebla was, they were, I think they put in max

00:50:52.460 --> 00:50:55.039
effort, you know? It looked like that to me,

00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:58.079
right? And maybe it's obviously it's because

00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.059
they're not, you know, one of the big teams and

00:51:00.059 --> 00:51:02.920
they're not, you know, they have to. I mean,

00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:06.019
the CONCACAF Champions Cup. Yeah. Absolutely.

00:51:06.019 --> 00:51:09.039
They're not making it through any other means

00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:10.760
the way they're playing this year. They're not

00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.579
winning no titles in Mexico. This is their shot

00:51:13.579 --> 00:51:16.940
at a trophy at Champions League. They play their

00:51:16.940 --> 00:51:20.539
asses off. In a way, that's the toughest team

00:51:20.539 --> 00:51:23.679
to make. And guess what? Now we have to play

00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.360
LA Galaxy team that is not going to make the

00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:28.019
playoffs. So they're also going to play their

00:51:28.019 --> 00:51:32.860
asses off. So it's not going to be a cakewalk.

00:51:33.369 --> 00:51:36.710
when we beat them last week 4 -0. No, and they

00:51:36.710 --> 00:51:41.909
have way more talent too. I mean, Michael Royce,

00:51:41.929 --> 00:51:44.469
Gabrielle Peck, Payne Sill. I mean, they've got

00:51:44.469 --> 00:51:48.530
some legitimate soccer players on their team.

00:51:48.550 --> 00:51:50.710
It is so wild. That's going to be a tough game.

00:51:50.730 --> 00:51:52.630
Why are they so bad in the league? Because you

00:51:52.630 --> 00:51:54.769
see the talent they have. I mean, even against

00:51:54.769 --> 00:51:57.750
us, they were doing some of the same stuff against

00:51:57.750 --> 00:52:00.980
us that they do. that we saw them do against

00:52:00.980 --> 00:52:05.440
these Mexican teams. And they would absolutely

00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.659
shut them down when we were playing them down

00:52:08.659 --> 00:52:11.760
in Carson. But Paintsville would just run right

00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:15.280
by and score a goal. And so it's fascinating.

00:52:15.940 --> 00:52:17.639
There's something about this tournament that

00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:19.920
has them playing on another level that they can't

00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:23.000
get on a game -to -game basis. It's the championship

00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.260
hangover. The championship hangover isn't usually

00:52:26.260 --> 00:52:28.880
this bad, though. Like this is, I mean, they,

00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.800
they lost her forward. They lost Dejana. Yeah.

00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:35.300
And they don't have Pooj. So they, they lost

00:52:35.300 --> 00:52:38.159
their two best players probably, but still like

00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:42.739
they brought in. Well, is that just an over -reliance

00:52:42.739 --> 00:52:46.780
on, on one player? I think so. I mean, yeah,

00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.480
I mean, maybe, maybe that's, that's just their,

00:52:49.579 --> 00:52:52.659
you know, that was a fatal weakness. And now

00:52:52.659 --> 00:52:54.619
obviously they're playing a lot better than they

00:52:54.619 --> 00:52:57.559
did to start the season and they're. super juiced

00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:00.179
up for this tournament obviously because they're

00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:04.440
in it so they're gonna be playing really well

00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:06.199
they're gonna be hyped for this game obviously

00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:10.719
but for the season as a whole yeah maybe maybe

00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:17.360
the whole setup was really fragile you know to

00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:20.199
be so reliant on one player because he really

00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:24.429
was like they're you know he was He was everywhere,

00:53:24.610 --> 00:53:27.250
right? He would have the ball and shuttle it

00:53:27.250 --> 00:53:29.530
around and pass and blah, blah, blah, do his

00:53:29.530 --> 00:53:34.429
Ricky Pooch thing, and it worked. Yeah, and I

00:53:34.429 --> 00:53:36.349
don't remember how many touches he would have,

00:53:36.449 --> 00:53:38.989
but he was having over 200 touches. He would

00:53:38.989 --> 00:53:40.849
have the ball. He would pick up the ball from

00:53:40.849 --> 00:53:43.030
the goalie, and then he would just take it all

00:53:43.030 --> 00:53:44.710
the way to the other side, and they'll score.

00:53:44.949 --> 00:53:47.369
That's what I do on FIFA when I'm with him all

00:53:47.369 --> 00:53:52.199
the time, actually. Yeah. Well, why not? You

00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.760
know, he's good at it, right? I mean, I brought

00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.159
him into Wrexham. We're in the championship now.

00:53:57.260 --> 00:53:59.119
I've gone up two leagues from when I started

00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:03.800
my team. And, hey, he's playing well. Just wait

00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:09.219
until I start my career mode team. Yeah, it's

00:54:09.219 --> 00:54:13.219
unfortunate for them, but yeah. Oh, man, I feel

00:54:13.219 --> 00:54:19.550
really bad for them. I don't. No, I know. I mean,

00:54:19.570 --> 00:54:22.030
I mean, it's interesting to think about, though.

00:54:22.070 --> 00:54:25.670
I mean, like, is there the way that the Sounders

00:54:25.670 --> 00:54:28.050
are built? And it's funny asking this question

00:54:28.050 --> 00:54:31.349
because we've had so many injuries to important

00:54:31.349 --> 00:54:36.090
players. And yet and yet it seems like the way

00:54:36.090 --> 00:54:40.010
that we're built, we're not over reliant on one

00:54:40.010 --> 00:54:44.219
player. I will say. probably the biggest effect

00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:47.039
we would see of, you know, a player going out

00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:49.820
being injured and not being there for us would

00:54:49.820 --> 00:54:53.500
probably be Christian, right? Yeah. Yeah. Christian

00:54:53.500 --> 00:54:55.739
or old bed. I mean, now, I mean, I think we're

00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:59.679
seeing it with Jordan potentially. Well, yes,

00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:02.599
yes. But also strikers, it's not just him, but

00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:05.699
now we're extra thin, right? That was the entire

00:55:05.699 --> 00:55:08.099
reason we're built this way though, is because

00:55:08.099 --> 00:55:12.039
when Garth came in, he saw that you have one

00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:15.079
injury and it derails your entire season. And

00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:17.280
you can't have it that way. Obviously, there's

00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:18.940
going to be a drop -off to that next man down,

00:55:19.139 --> 00:55:22.059
but you've got to have the ability to move on

00:55:22.059 --> 00:55:25.039
and play, have someone come in that can play

00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.440
similar -ish style. Obviously, no one's exactly

00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:31.039
the same. Or a style that's complementary to

00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:33.679
the other players around them and succeed. So

00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:37.199
I think that has been the mentality the Sounders

00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.400
have had ever since under first Garth and now

00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:44.349
Craig. And because Craig was at RSL too. So they

00:55:44.349 --> 00:55:50.170
both came from the same system essentially. Yeah.

00:55:50.829 --> 00:55:54.010
And I think we don't give Craig enough credit

00:55:54.010 --> 00:55:57.110
for building the roster this year. There's so

00:55:57.110 --> 00:56:01.409
much depth. I mean, it's not, Craig doesn't pay

00:56:01.409 --> 00:56:03.510
the bills. Craig doesn't sign the players. He

00:56:03.510 --> 00:56:05.929
can only do what he, you know, he does his best.

00:56:06.010 --> 00:56:07.969
He can only, and I think there's, it's maybe

00:56:07.969 --> 00:56:11.230
time to have a conversation around. why we're

00:56:11.230 --> 00:56:13.010
having difficulty getting players to come now.

00:56:13.150 --> 00:56:15.650
We've had three straight European players say

00:56:15.650 --> 00:56:20.590
no to us because of Europe. Not money. Terms

00:56:20.590 --> 00:56:22.130
agreed on. They just don't want to leave Europe.

00:56:24.309 --> 00:56:29.110
I mean, I don't blame them. No, I was on a Twitter

00:56:29.110 --> 00:56:32.550
space earlier that Nico hosted, and he talked

00:56:32.550 --> 00:56:35.730
about some of the transfer things, and he said

00:56:35.730 --> 00:56:39.920
that the one with the guy from Chelsea, It came

00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:41.840
down to money. Well, that wasn't the player's

00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:46.480
decision, though. That was nixed by the higher

00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:49.179
ups. But what it was is what it came down to

00:56:49.179 --> 00:56:51.699
was the budget. Sure. But there is a budget in

00:56:51.699 --> 00:56:54.320
the MLS and you can't pay. I mean, the fee was

00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:57.440
agreed to on one level, obviously by the loaning

00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:01.280
team. But because of the way the MLS is structured,

00:57:01.539 --> 00:57:04.860
that fee gets split out over the numbers of the

00:57:04.860 --> 00:57:07.099
years of the contract. And so just with the cap,

00:57:07.219 --> 00:57:09.340
you can't do it. There's certain ways you can't

00:57:09.340 --> 00:57:10.900
do it. You only have a limited amount of money

00:57:10.900 --> 00:57:14.219
you can spend. So it's not like he was being

00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:17.719
cheap. It was like, that's what we have. Right.

00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:21.119
I was talking to Jackson Feltz about it and he

00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.239
felt that it shows that the Sounders also are

00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:28.099
going for a higher caliber player that you have

00:57:28.099 --> 00:57:30.719
to go and you're trying to get it. a more quality

00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:32.199
player than they would have gone after in the

00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.460
past so it makes because they're a better player

00:57:34.460 --> 00:57:36.000
they have to think about where their opportunities

00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:40.119
land I do wish we were still going to South America

00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:42.440
more than Europe though because I feel like we

00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:45.199
set up that notion of pulling players from South

00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.340
America other teams had done it but not to the

00:57:47.340 --> 00:57:49.960
success that we've had and now every other team

00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:51.699
emulates what we've done is trying to do the

00:57:51.699 --> 00:57:55.869
same thing And so we shouldn't move on from that.

00:57:55.949 --> 00:57:57.690
There's plenty of players in South America we

00:57:57.690 --> 00:57:59.250
can bring up that no one's ever heard of that

00:57:59.250 --> 00:58:02.530
will come up here and be Nico Lodeiro. You can

00:58:02.530 --> 00:58:04.469
go to Brazil and get a kid off the street and

00:58:04.469 --> 00:58:08.429
he'll... Maybe not Nico, but... No, he'll be

00:58:08.429 --> 00:58:10.489
able to dribble around players. He could play

00:58:10.489 --> 00:58:16.389
like Georgie. Leo Chu. No, no, please. I mean,

00:58:16.389 --> 00:58:22.940
he was a kid from Brazil. But, yeah. Yeah. No,

00:58:23.059 --> 00:58:25.460
I think, like, given the budget that we had,

00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:27.340
I think we should have been looking at South

00:58:27.340 --> 00:58:30.219
America because I feel like Europeans, they feel

00:58:30.219 --> 00:58:32.559
like, oh, we're from Europe, we're the best,

00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.219
we're the best at soccer, even though Argentina's

00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:39.039
the World Cup champions. And there's this, like,

00:58:39.099 --> 00:58:41.860
there's, like, this pedigree to them. They have

00:58:41.860 --> 00:58:45.289
this little ego. And so you're going to have

00:58:45.289 --> 00:58:47.710
to pay a premium to make them come to America.

00:58:47.750 --> 00:58:50.449
I think that's true. Unless there's something

00:58:50.449 --> 00:58:53.769
you can say that can convince them that it's

00:58:53.769 --> 00:58:56.829
worth it to them to come. You can't use the Club

00:58:56.829 --> 00:58:59.710
World Cup no more. Yeah. And I mean, I think

00:58:59.710 --> 00:59:04.050
other teams are largely overpaying with the exception

00:59:04.050 --> 00:59:07.909
of LA. I mean, Atlanta obviously overpaid. LA,

00:59:08.170 --> 00:59:11.550
I don't know. They don't need to overpay because

00:59:11.550 --> 00:59:15.510
of the star power. I don't think Miami needs

00:59:15.510 --> 00:59:20.769
to overpay. But we're not those teams, and we're

00:59:20.769 --> 00:59:22.409
never going to be. We're never going to be Atlanta.

00:59:22.530 --> 00:59:26.510
We're never going to spend that much money. Not

00:59:26.510 --> 00:59:29.909
unless we get a new group of investors. Yeah,

00:59:29.969 --> 00:59:34.670
but I don't know if we won't. Yeah, which oil

00:59:34.670 --> 00:59:37.070
state is going to take us over, guys? Alaska.

00:59:41.980 --> 00:59:46.760
uh canada the 51st state yeah the will be their

00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:51.780
51st state um so we come out of the half we go

00:59:51.780 --> 00:59:54.880
into a second half gets really chippy um you

00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:57.539
know brian schmetzer said the players were complaining

00:59:57.539 --> 01:00:01.380
about the refs rightfully so um but i also saw

01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:06.280
quite a few times like danny muzovsky i'm pretty

01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:09.099
sure it was him both times uh committed a foul

01:00:09.099 --> 01:00:11.280
that should have been a yellow card on like a

01:00:11.550 --> 01:00:13.409
you know, a professional foul, basically a breakaway

01:00:13.409 --> 01:00:15.110
where he hacks someone and knocks them down.

01:00:15.630 --> 01:00:17.989
We had five or six of those throughout the games

01:00:17.989 --> 01:00:20.690
game where it was not called. So he was letting

01:00:20.690 --> 01:00:23.570
the players play both ways. Now that maybe that

01:00:23.570 --> 01:00:29.869
doesn't benefit our style. I also do think potentially

01:00:29.869 --> 01:00:33.849
Danny Mussofsky was fouled on the play where

01:00:33.849 --> 01:00:36.869
he gets the red card, but I think he fouled the

01:00:36.869 --> 01:00:40.599
other guy first. I think he throws the elbow

01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:42.159
and that's what the ref gives him the yellow

01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:45.139
for. Right. Which isn't, I mean, in the MLS,

01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:46.980
that used to be a red. What happened? Why aren't

01:00:46.980 --> 01:00:49.760
we giving reds for that anymore? Maybe it was

01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:51.719
too harsh because people kept getting reds for

01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:55.119
accidental elbows. Well, I mean, you saw, I think

01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:57.980
RSO had a red. Yeah, where Diego Luna got headlocked

01:00:57.980 --> 01:01:00.219
and he got a second yellow. And then the other

01:01:00.219 --> 01:01:02.860
guy got a red once he went to the yard. You can't

01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:05.539
push someone or go after their head on purpose.

01:01:05.659 --> 01:01:08.679
I mean, but if it's accidental. They used to

01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:10.099
give out reds for that. I'm glad they're not

01:01:10.099 --> 01:01:13.559
anymore, I guess. No, but back to Moose. We've

01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:15.579
seen him lose his – like the same thing that

01:01:15.579 --> 01:01:18.659
he did last night, he did against Cruz Azul to

01:01:18.659 --> 01:01:22.619
the center back. Oh, really? I think it was Cruz

01:01:22.619 --> 01:01:25.500
Azul or it was the Santos game where he got up

01:01:25.500 --> 01:01:29.119
to – I think it was Cruz Azul where he got in

01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:31.039
the defender's face after he felt like he got

01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:35.659
fouled in the box. Yeah. The penalty shots. I

01:01:35.659 --> 01:01:38.289
think it was Cruz Azul. But still, he's done

01:01:38.289 --> 01:01:40.190
it before. Yeah, and it was interesting because

01:01:40.190 --> 01:01:43.010
some people mentioned that, but I hadn't known

01:01:43.010 --> 01:01:47.929
that before. But, you know, Danny gets up, mad

01:01:47.929 --> 01:01:51.449
at the call. Some Sounders fans are trying to

01:01:51.449 --> 01:01:53.250
justify it by saying, well, the ref put his arm

01:01:53.250 --> 01:01:58.170
out. Number one. No. Yeah, like he went to chest

01:01:58.170 --> 01:02:01.829
butt him, like bump his chest. Yeah. Number one.

01:02:01.849 --> 01:02:04.699
Number two. But technically under the rules,

01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:07.320
only the captain is allowed to talk – or one

01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.500
person, I guess, not the captain. In some leagues,

01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:11.480
it's just the captain. They're enforcing it this

01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:13.260
year in the Premier League. Only one person is

01:02:13.260 --> 01:02:16.099
allowed to talk to the ref. They don't enforce

01:02:16.099 --> 01:02:18.500
that rule a lot, but they can at any given time.

01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:20.760
So you come at him violently, you're going to

01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:23.539
get a card every single time. And he did. He

01:02:23.539 --> 01:02:26.829
did. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, when I see him get

01:02:26.829 --> 01:02:30.610
up, I was like, oh, shit. Like, he's gone. Right

01:02:30.610 --> 01:02:31.809
away, I was like, he's gone. I mean, he could

01:02:31.809 --> 01:02:33.570
have got it for descent without even getting,

01:02:33.690 --> 01:02:39.550
bumping him if he really wanted to. But, I mean,

01:02:39.550 --> 01:02:42.150
that's part of the thing, too. I mean, if the

01:02:42.150 --> 01:02:46.590
referee is letting them play, right, to the extent

01:02:46.590 --> 01:02:49.809
where he's letting what should be a yellow card

01:02:49.809 --> 01:02:53.789
slide here and there and there and here. And

01:02:53.789 --> 01:02:57.289
then he decides to call one. Yeah. I would be

01:02:57.289 --> 01:03:01.809
mad. Not to defend Danny bumping him or anything,

01:03:01.949 --> 01:03:04.829
but like, that would be very aggravating where

01:03:04.829 --> 01:03:07.230
it's like, you let all this other stuff slide.

01:03:07.510 --> 01:03:10.150
And now, now you're bringing the hammer down.

01:03:10.329 --> 01:03:13.909
I can understand his frustration for sure. Like,

01:03:13.949 --> 01:03:16.070
especially because all game long they had, you

01:03:16.070 --> 01:03:17.969
know, their antics, they were wasting time in

01:03:17.969 --> 01:03:22.510
the first half. Oh yeah. Fake injuries. Oh my

01:03:22.510 --> 01:03:28.119
God. oh man the one oh man there's so many god

01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:31.219
i just like god they're they're so annoying like

01:03:31.219 --> 01:03:34.019
so many of those players like their faces are

01:03:34.019 --> 01:03:37.000
like still fresh in my mind like oh god that

01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.119
guy's face like it's just so annoying the one

01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:42.260
where um i don't know who followed him but he

01:03:42.260 --> 01:03:44.880
like he touches his face and then he checks his

01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:47.199
elbow he sees that it's fine so he's like okay

01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:48.659
i'm gonna fake it that i got hit in the face

01:03:49.419 --> 01:03:51.940
Yeah, that was right in front of me, but it's

01:03:51.940 --> 01:03:54.480
far enough away that we couldn't tell. So I thought

01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:57.599
in the way Danny reacted, he didn't even look

01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:00.559
back and be like, what is wrong with you? He

01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:02.300
just kind of like played it off. So I thought

01:04:02.300 --> 01:04:03.920
he was worried. I thought he was actually going

01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:05.519
to get a red card there, but he didn't touch

01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:09.019
him. No, and then when Reagan laid out that,

01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:15.630
I was like. They're like, oh, he might have broke

01:04:15.630 --> 01:04:17.170
his wrist. I was like, well, fuck around and

01:04:17.170 --> 01:04:23.909
find out. Did they show on TV when Rothrock basically

01:04:23.909 --> 01:04:25.929
forearm shivered a dude off the ball, like just

01:04:25.929 --> 01:04:27.429
put his arm on him and just shoved him away?

01:04:28.889 --> 01:04:32.489
And the guy got mad. The ref did give Rothrock

01:04:32.489 --> 01:04:35.030
a talking to, but I was like, the way those two

01:04:35.030 --> 01:04:36.889
had been going at it in the first half, I thought

01:04:36.889 --> 01:04:38.630
they were going to end up getting cards, both

01:04:38.630 --> 01:04:42.710
of them, because they were chippy as hell. It

01:04:42.710 --> 01:04:45.869
was so chippy. If I'm the trainer, I'm putting

01:04:45.869 --> 01:04:48.050
extra tape in Rothrock's club so he could...

01:04:48.050 --> 01:04:51.989
Carl Mecklenburg, who played for the Denver Broncos

01:04:51.989 --> 01:04:53.510
back in the day, had a big thing like that, and

01:04:53.510 --> 01:04:55.590
I swear he would swing around and hit people

01:04:55.590 --> 01:04:58.550
when he's tackling them. I think I've seen a

01:04:58.550 --> 01:05:00.909
video. I think it was the Raiders back in the

01:05:00.909 --> 01:05:04.269
day that had the athletic trainer. He was a specialized

01:05:04.269 --> 01:05:06.869
in pads, and he would make the pads weaponized.

01:05:07.250 --> 01:05:11.719
I can see that for sure. That sounds like the

01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:15.260
Raiders. So I was like, I'll do that for Rothrock.

01:05:16.059 --> 01:05:18.079
Body them off the ball with a nice little club.

01:05:19.579 --> 01:05:26.199
Can I just say, I love Jackson Reagan. I love

01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:31.059
how he always just has this super neutral look

01:05:31.059 --> 01:05:34.920
on his face. And he plays so well. His passing

01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:38.940
is insanely good. And he just looks like nothing

01:05:38.940 --> 01:05:42.460
bothers him at all. And he does his job. And

01:05:42.460 --> 01:05:46.559
even the penalty kick he took, he did his job,

01:05:46.579 --> 01:05:49.460
you know, and then he looked, it was, yeah, it

01:05:49.460 --> 01:05:52.219
was good. And what I liked about it was he had

01:05:52.219 --> 01:05:56.320
a little like stutter step or whatever, but it

01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:59.480
was with like, it was within the rules as it

01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:03.280
should be. So many other players. do a bullshit

01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:07.019
stop, start stutter. I hate that shit. Especially

01:06:07.019 --> 01:06:08.820
if you're not, I mean, if you're going to allow

01:06:08.820 --> 01:06:10.739
that, you have to let the goalie come off the

01:06:10.739 --> 01:06:13.719
line. Exactly. It should be like a situation

01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.019
where it's like, okay, the minute you start and

01:06:16.019 --> 01:06:17.719
you're going to do all the stuff that this goalie

01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:19.559
should be able to come up and just like, you

01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:21.400
know, close you down or something. Absolutely.

01:06:21.539 --> 01:06:23.880
But, but Jackson did it in a way where he never

01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:26.400
stopped his motion. He just kind of slowed it

01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:28.840
a little bit and moved his body in a way that

01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:31.059
made it, you couldn't tell where he was going

01:06:31.059 --> 01:06:35.099
to go with it. Brilliant. And then he hits it

01:06:35.099 --> 01:06:38.920
in the most perfect spot to low side netting.

01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:41.320
No keeper saving that unless they're standing

01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:43.519
right there. And then after he just looks back

01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.760
at him. Yeah. Oh, that was beautiful on the broadcast.

01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:49.820
Yeah. Oh my God. I'll say, I don't know if you

01:06:49.820 --> 01:06:51.820
remember during when Ferreira stepped up, I was

01:06:51.820 --> 01:06:53.739
like, Oh, I don't like his body language. But

01:06:53.739 --> 01:06:57.780
what I didn't realize was he wasn't nervous.

01:06:58.019 --> 01:07:00.360
He just didn't care. Like he knew he was going

01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:02.679
to make it. And so he just kind of like walked

01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:04.559
up, kicked it in and walked away. You know what

01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:08.139
I mean? Like I, I was like, Oh no, he, he, he,

01:07:08.219 --> 01:07:10.360
that was, that was his confidence. It just showed.

01:07:10.380 --> 01:07:12.599
I'd never seen him step up in that kind of situation.

01:07:12.619 --> 01:07:14.280
So I didn't know enough about his character.

01:07:14.340 --> 01:07:17.460
Like, no, that was what's up right there. I wish

01:07:17.460 --> 01:07:19.280
he did that when he had the shot inside the six.

01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:22.639
Yeah. We didn't, we didn't talk about that. Ball,

01:07:22.820 --> 01:07:26.420
ball slips through to him unexpectedly. Did not

01:07:26.420 --> 01:07:27.960
think that ball was going to come through with

01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:32.210
it, with him on his run. And he's got so many

01:07:32.210 --> 01:07:34.590
players barreling down on him from behind that

01:07:34.590 --> 01:07:39.429
just kicks it wide. You put that anywhere. You

01:07:39.429 --> 01:07:45.110
have to get that on frame. Yeah. It's like I'd

01:07:45.110 --> 01:07:47.389
seen Happy Gilmore the other day. And I was like,

01:07:47.530 --> 01:07:51.130
just tap it in. Just tap it in. You just have

01:07:51.130 --> 01:07:54.849
to pass it into the net. Yeah. Yeah. You just

01:07:54.849 --> 01:08:01.380
pass it. We're waiting. One time. I went to Universal

01:08:01.380 --> 01:08:04.199
Studios in Hollywood, like the actual studios,

01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:10.380
not the park. And they were filming the Marky

01:08:10.380 --> 01:08:13.360
Mark, Mark Wahlberg, Planet of the Apes film.

01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:15.840
And so I saw Helena Bonham Carter in like full

01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.920
makeup. But I was walking past a side stage where

01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:22.020
there's some movie that Shooter McGavin was in.

01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:26.500
Ted something, I forget his last name. And I

01:08:26.500 --> 01:08:31.220
saw him. And I just go shooter. And he did not

01:08:31.220 --> 01:08:34.279
get impressed. Now I think he realizes now that

01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:37.399
he's older, like what an iconic role that is.

01:08:37.460 --> 01:08:39.880
Cause he, he like does cameos as shooter now

01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.260
and talks like him in them. Like he does the

01:08:42.260 --> 01:08:44.119
character and goes to conventions and stuff.

01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:47.239
Like he gets it now, but I think he was a little

01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:48.720
upset that I did that to him, but that's how

01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:51.390
iconic that character was to me. You were just

01:08:51.390 --> 01:08:54.109
ahead of the – That's normal for me. You were

01:08:54.109 --> 01:08:56.510
the trendsetter. Yeah, you were just – I'm a

01:08:56.510 --> 01:08:58.489
real hipster. I'm always liking things before

01:08:58.489 --> 01:09:03.489
they're cool. Way before any of this zombie craze

01:09:03.489 --> 01:09:09.109
happened, my license plate was zombie. I lost

01:09:09.109 --> 01:09:11.369
it because I have a car. Big Cranberries fan?

01:09:11.449 --> 01:09:15.850
Yeah. Really into talking about the troubles

01:09:15.850 --> 01:09:19.149
in Northern Ireland. I did read four books about

01:09:19.149 --> 01:09:23.270
it. well yeah um but yeah well that's a whole

01:09:23.270 --> 01:09:26.050
other that's a whole other podcast yeah that's

01:09:26.050 --> 01:09:29.970
a after hour my my my relative did found the

01:09:29.970 --> 01:09:33.189
irish republican army back in the uh 1910s or

01:09:33.189 --> 01:09:36.770
whatever um good old michael collins that's true

01:09:36.770 --> 01:09:39.890
but uh yeah let's uh let's get back to soccer

01:09:39.890 --> 01:09:42.890
uh i mean i think i think fans are frustrated

01:09:42.890 --> 01:09:46.750
with ferreira but for me yeah you got to put

01:09:46.750 --> 01:09:50.109
that in but Since the Club World Cup, he's been

01:09:50.109 --> 01:09:54.010
one of our best players. Yeah, he's played well.

01:09:54.250 --> 01:09:57.350
And he's filling in for Rusnak. And he's been

01:09:57.350 --> 01:10:00.869
great at it. They play it differently, but he's

01:10:00.869 --> 01:10:05.510
been great, in my opinion. I feel like since

01:10:05.510 --> 01:10:09.789
our DP Rusnak went down, I was not worried. Yeah.

01:10:10.649 --> 01:10:14.250
And that's a credit to our Dev. Yeah. I mean,

01:10:14.270 --> 01:10:16.949
that's why I can't say it enough how much I respect

01:10:16.949 --> 01:10:20.529
what Craig has done with this team. I just, I

01:10:20.529 --> 01:10:22.229
think I said this in the last episode with Nick,

01:10:22.289 --> 01:10:25.869
like, I just wish we would give him a little

01:10:25.869 --> 01:10:27.470
more money to play with. We don't need a lot.

01:10:27.529 --> 01:10:29.569
We don't need messy money. We don't need, we

01:10:29.569 --> 01:10:33.170
don't need some, you know, just a little more

01:10:33.170 --> 01:10:35.829
money to play with. But it's not going to happen

01:10:35.829 --> 01:10:37.550
because we're locked into our DPs now through

01:10:37.550 --> 01:10:41.850
like 2027. Well, I mean, with Messi, we're also

01:10:41.850 --> 01:10:45.250
not able to offer him, you know, a cut of all

01:10:45.250 --> 01:10:50.329
the Apple TV revenue. And now he's got his sports

01:10:50.329 --> 01:10:51.770
drink and everything. But we're not spending

01:10:51.770 --> 01:10:55.170
$12 million on a player, I mean, salary -wise

01:10:55.170 --> 01:10:57.989
regardless. I mean, our highest paid player is

01:10:57.989 --> 01:11:01.090
Resnack at, what, $2 .5 million? Something like

01:11:01.090 --> 01:11:06.689
that. Maybe he's $4 .5, but Jordan's $2 .2 million.

01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:12.359
uh and pedro is i think in the one one something

01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:16.460
yeah like one seven yeah so it's the same thing

01:11:16.460 --> 01:11:19.520
with um it's the same thing with jerry depoto

01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:23.439
yeah i do i feel like at this point the mariners

01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:27.159
and the and the sounders are very similar um

01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:29.319
traditionally i think the mariners i mean the

01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:31.739
sounders didn't want it didn't want to be that

01:11:31.739 --> 01:11:33.920
way so they would spend a little extra but i

01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.170
think now that they've seen so much success The

01:11:36.170 --> 01:11:38.729
question is why spend the money is what's being

01:11:38.729 --> 01:11:41.569
asked. If we're going to consistently make a

01:11:41.569 --> 01:11:44.869
run and have a chance to win, why spend the money?

01:11:45.689 --> 01:11:48.069
Because even if we spend the money, I don't think

01:11:48.069 --> 01:11:50.250
we're necessarily going to, we might win the

01:11:50.250 --> 01:11:53.529
MLS Cup more than we have recently, but I don't

01:11:53.529 --> 01:11:55.069
think if we spent all the money in the world,

01:11:55.109 --> 01:11:56.409
we're suddenly going to go to four out of five

01:11:56.409 --> 01:12:01.170
straight MLS Cup finals. I don't think we ever

01:12:01.170 --> 01:12:06.600
do that again. That's insane. That was an incredible

01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:12.100
run. I mean, that is actually insane. And then

01:12:12.100 --> 01:12:15.539
the other team from the Western Conference that

01:12:15.539 --> 01:12:19.560
did it was Portland, right? I mean, how long

01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:23.359
was that stretch where it was either us or Portland

01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:27.520
in the MLS Cup Final? It was them, us, us, them,

01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:33.439
us, us. And then against NYCFC. And then them

01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:36.479
again. Yeah. Okay. Oh, thank God. Thank you,

01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:39.819
NYCFC. But we got two stars, baby. Yeah. Well,

01:12:39.939 --> 01:12:42.899
hey, they have the COVID is back tournament star.

01:12:43.060 --> 01:12:45.619
Don't worry. Right next to the star, they've

01:12:45.619 --> 01:12:49.939
got one of the little COVID molecules. Yeah,

01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:53.869
absolutely. Well, next. Maybe when Hantavirus

01:12:53.869 --> 01:12:56.930
really takes off, they'll win that tournament

01:12:56.930 --> 01:13:00.630
too. No, you know what's funny? When Evander

01:13:00.630 --> 01:13:04.510
gave it to him when he went back. Oh. Really?

01:13:04.810 --> 01:13:09.949
Yeah. We would never. We would never. I don't

01:13:09.949 --> 01:13:14.470
think that is about the fans though. Because

01:13:14.470 --> 01:13:17.689
he said how much he loves those fans. But they

01:13:17.689 --> 01:13:22.609
started chanting. That's the thing. Yeah, I mean,

01:13:22.630 --> 01:13:27.050
that's wild. To me, he's made clear that it's

01:13:27.050 --> 01:13:28.770
about the way he was treated by the organization.

01:13:30.409 --> 01:13:34.329
But Timbers fans are illiterate. They can't read.

01:13:34.590 --> 01:13:38.250
Yeah, Timbers Army. I have a lot of friends that

01:13:38.250 --> 01:13:40.909
are in the Timbers Army and or in leadership

01:13:40.909 --> 01:13:45.010
or been involved in some fashion. And I will

01:13:45.010 --> 01:13:48.369
say they are smart, passionate people who fight

01:13:48.369 --> 01:13:53.279
for just causes. They just, uh, they don't read.

01:13:54.140 --> 01:14:00.819
They're not Australian. Um, but, uh, yeah, they,

01:14:00.899 --> 01:14:03.180
they just, they, uh, they root for the wrong

01:14:03.180 --> 01:14:06.899
team. I, I mean, I can't blame. It's like Randy

01:14:06.899 --> 01:14:08.640
Johnson. When Randy Johnson talks shit about

01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:12.399
the Mariners, I don't care. He's right. Yeah.

01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:16.020
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, totally. Ownership

01:14:16.020 --> 01:14:18.960
sucks. They do. They pull some bullshit down

01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.390
there. We, If we had that kind of ownership here,

01:14:21.590 --> 01:14:23.949
I don't know what we would do. We certainly probably

01:14:23.949 --> 01:14:28.069
wouldn't do this podcast, right? I don't know.

01:14:28.229 --> 01:14:29.569
Oh, we would. It would just be more negative.

01:14:29.670 --> 01:14:33.189
Yeah, that's true. This would be Dan's favorite

01:14:33.189 --> 01:14:35.890
place. Yeah, I'm sad that Dan's not here because

01:14:35.890 --> 01:14:37.409
I wanted to know whether or not it was going

01:14:37.409 --> 01:14:42.609
to be happy Dan or normal Dan. Normal Dan. And

01:14:42.609 --> 01:14:45.050
I think he made a great point earlier today in

01:14:45.050 --> 01:14:47.529
the Discord when he was saying that. Tony Romo

01:14:47.529 --> 01:14:50.850
fumbled against the Seahawks? No, no, no, not

01:14:50.850 --> 01:14:55.710
that. I'm talking about... I know. Dan texted.

01:14:55.770 --> 01:14:57.489
Remember he texted that last night? I was like,

01:14:57.510 --> 01:15:02.090
I was there. The Dan base? Yeah, the Dan base.

01:15:02.289 --> 01:15:08.170
The Dan base. No, he said that Moose's frustration

01:15:08.170 --> 01:15:12.310
is from the lack of him not having... The ball.

01:15:12.470 --> 01:15:15.390
Yeah. Opportunities to score. And he alluded

01:15:15.390 --> 01:15:17.350
to Rusnick taking off his shirt and throwing

01:15:17.350 --> 01:15:18.710
it into the crowd when he scored the penalty

01:15:18.710 --> 01:15:24.409
again. Yeah. Who was it against? I'm trying to

01:15:24.409 --> 01:15:26.930
remember. I was at that game. Yeah. But, but

01:15:26.930 --> 01:15:29.529
yeah, I mean, he, and that was the goal that

01:15:29.529 --> 01:15:31.710
he set the record becoming the first player ever

01:15:31.710 --> 01:15:34.909
to do what? 25 goals and 25 assists on two different

01:15:34.909 --> 01:15:37.329
teams or something. It must've been 50, 50 years,

01:15:37.350 --> 01:15:40.489
50, 25 or something. I don't know. Yeah. Let

01:15:40.489 --> 01:15:44.199
me. Was that against San Diego? No. It was a

01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:46.859
home game, though. But yeah, I mean, yeah, he

01:15:46.859 --> 01:15:48.619
threw it in the crowd. Alex had to go get it

01:15:48.619 --> 01:15:51.619
because he was going to get a card. On the TV,

01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:53.939
they just showed him throw it in the crowd, and

01:15:53.939 --> 01:15:57.319
then they showed Alex retrieving it. So it was

01:15:57.319 --> 01:16:00.039
like a quick blip. But at the game, it was very

01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:02.680
clear what would happen. And people at the game

01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:04.460
actually didn't notice that Alex went and got

01:16:04.460 --> 01:16:08.880
it. I just happened to... Oh, it was against

01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:12.180
Dallas, no? Dallas, yeah, could be. They tend

01:16:12.180 --> 01:16:15.460
to blend together. No, because Danny scored that

01:16:15.460 --> 01:16:20.260
game. Well, I mean, but the point's taken. There's

01:16:20.260 --> 01:16:23.899
clearly frustration that's underneath what's

01:16:23.899 --> 01:16:27.399
going on, and because I think we were on an awesome

01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:32.180
tear, and then suddenly it drops back to why

01:16:32.180 --> 01:16:37.029
is this happening again? I think that's... it's

01:16:37.029 --> 01:16:38.989
got to feel kind of frustrating, especially when

01:16:38.989 --> 01:16:40.510
you feel like the ref is holding you back, but

01:16:40.510 --> 01:16:44.369
you can't do anything about it. Yeah. No. Yeah.

01:16:44.449 --> 01:16:48.210
It was against Dallas on May 24th. Yeah. Yeah.

01:16:48.270 --> 01:16:53.069
PK. Yeah. It was that game, but yeah, I think

01:16:53.069 --> 01:16:58.229
it's just frustrating and it people lose their

01:16:58.229 --> 01:17:01.369
heads because they're frustrated. And we seen

01:17:01.369 --> 01:17:03.729
that with moose. Yeah. We saw it with new who.

01:17:04.689 --> 01:17:09.270
Yeah. I mean, it happens. You would see it with

01:17:09.270 --> 01:17:11.829
me if I were on that team, I'm sure. I mean,

01:17:11.850 --> 01:17:16.149
you should have seen how I was at home. When,

01:17:16.149 --> 01:17:20.449
when, gosh, I shouldn't say this, but in the

01:17:20.449 --> 01:17:23.369
U .S. Open Cup final when Ricardo Salazar robbed

01:17:23.369 --> 01:17:28.170
us and called back our made penalty from Eddie

01:17:28.170 --> 01:17:32.020
Johnson, I grabbed like a, this like. ikea pasta

01:17:32.020 --> 01:17:33.979
plate bowl that was in my hand i just smashed

01:17:33.979 --> 01:17:37.479
it on the kitchen floor i was so mad uh so i

01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:39.939
get it i get it that's not that bad that's like

01:17:39.939 --> 01:17:42.619
um when people say oh right on a plate and then

01:17:42.619 --> 01:17:47.359
smash it yeah i just i was i was i was i hate

01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:51.619
when my team has a perceived injustice against

01:17:51.619 --> 01:17:53.920
them by a ref that and you got to remember i

01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:55.939
lived through the 2005 super bowl where the ref

01:17:55.939 --> 01:17:57.479
cheated the seahawks out of winning the super

01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:03.470
bowl Oh, yeah, I remember that. So having to

01:18:03.470 --> 01:18:07.130
live through it again was very, very difficult.

01:18:08.609 --> 01:18:12.569
But anyway, yeah, I understand the frustration.

01:18:12.869 --> 01:18:19.329
And I'm not mad at Danny for what was clearly

01:18:19.329 --> 01:18:21.729
a dumbass move because he doesn't have a history

01:18:21.729 --> 01:18:26.590
of them. I've seen that they were comparing what

01:18:26.590 --> 01:18:31.319
he did to Dempsey's red card wedding. That's

01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:36.119
really different, though, I feel like. Yeah,

01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:37.760
I don't see the comparison. I mean, both of them,

01:18:37.779 --> 01:18:39.319
you're going after the ref. Both of them are

01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:42.699
red cards. Obviously, Dempsey, A, got more of

01:18:42.699 --> 01:18:44.020
a suspension than he should have. B, I don't

01:18:44.020 --> 01:18:48.560
think should have got suspended from the MLS.

01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:49.899
He should have been suspended from the U .S.

01:18:49.899 --> 01:18:52.279
Open Cup because it is a different governing

01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:55.770
body that runs the two. It's not like the FA

01:18:55.770 --> 01:18:58.350
that runs the FA Cup and the league where you

01:18:58.350 --> 01:19:00.189
get a card in one and you can go to the other.

01:19:02.029 --> 01:19:04.449
So I thought there was a little bit of anti -Seattle

01:19:04.449 --> 01:19:07.369
collusion there, but I could see the comparison.

01:19:08.250 --> 01:19:11.329
When is there not? The difference is if Danny

01:19:11.329 --> 01:19:13.170
punches the ref, then I put it up there with

01:19:13.170 --> 01:19:16.189
Dempsey. He didn't go far enough. He just got

01:19:16.189 --> 01:19:20.489
in his face. On the broadcast, it looked like

01:19:20.489 --> 01:19:24.310
he smacked Ferreira. Oh, really? Yeah, there

01:19:24.310 --> 01:19:28.069
was. I saw some sounder on sounder. I mean, Ferreira

01:19:28.069 --> 01:19:30.550
did step in to stop it because he was like, fuck.

01:19:32.090 --> 01:19:34.090
We need a New Who to step in because when New

01:19:34.090 --> 01:19:38.489
Who's the voice of reason, you fuck up. Like

01:19:38.489 --> 01:19:41.149
with Georgie. So I was like, New Who, this is

01:19:41.149 --> 01:19:44.329
your moment to shine. Yeah. That's too funny.

01:19:45.590 --> 01:19:50.460
I mean, with Dempsey ripping up. the ref's notebook

01:19:50.460 --> 01:19:53.539
daniel radford may i remind everybody i always

01:19:53.539 --> 01:19:55.939
what's harry potter's name i always think it's

01:19:55.939 --> 01:20:02.119
harry potter dan daniel radcliffe yeah but i

01:20:02.119 --> 01:20:04.380
i feel like ripping up the ref's notebook is

01:20:04.380 --> 01:20:07.779
like that is just so i mean it's beautiful it's

01:20:07.779 --> 01:20:09.840
another level of disrespect i mean it's like

01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:13.439
absolutely and it's just it's just so cathartic

01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:17.159
to to what everybody was and still feels about

01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:20.439
and it's not It's not a violent act like what

01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:23.159
knew who did, attacking a fan. I mean, not hard,

01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:25.859
but still. Having been kicked in the head with

01:20:25.859 --> 01:20:28.939
a soccer ball, got a concussion, it can do damage.

01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:34.899
And I wouldn't say that Danny was necessarily

01:20:34.899 --> 01:20:38.500
violent, but he didn't intend violence, I'll

01:20:38.500 --> 01:20:43.720
say. But it was an act that clearly is going

01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:46.250
to come off in an aggressive way. that that needs

01:20:46.250 --> 01:20:48.510
oh totally there's not a good look on danny no

01:20:48.510 --> 01:20:51.350
and he knows that i mean there's no way he went

01:20:51.350 --> 01:20:53.310
out there like i was right afterward you know

01:20:53.310 --> 01:20:55.029
what i mean like that's one of those moments

01:20:55.029 --> 01:20:57.729
where afterwards i mean i've done it you you

01:20:57.729 --> 01:21:00.869
feel like he snapped yeah i'm pretty sure he

01:21:00.869 --> 01:21:04.029
snapped and he snapped and it's not like he threw

01:21:04.029 --> 01:21:06.810
a punch at the ref or something really egregious

01:21:06.810 --> 01:21:10.829
you know he he would he he snapped and he made

01:21:10.829 --> 01:21:15.539
a poor decision but it wasn't it wasn't a A completely

01:21:15.539 --> 01:21:18.479
terrible decision in terms of like, oh, he didn't

01:21:18.479 --> 01:21:20.359
do the worst thing possible. And it was in response

01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:22.840
to something the ref directly did that was involved

01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:25.520
in the game. It wasn't like he threw a ball at

01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:28.819
the head of a fan that flicked you off when all

01:21:28.819 --> 01:21:30.439
the fans have been doing that all game. Maybe

01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:33.840
he wanted to play catch. And then he just has

01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:38.380
terrible hand coordination. Yeah. I got to train

01:21:38.380 --> 01:21:43.229
that guy. All right, your hands go up here. If

01:21:43.229 --> 01:21:45.810
not, you get in the face. And if you get in the

01:21:45.810 --> 01:21:48.149
face, now you know to put your hands up. Yeah.

01:21:49.229 --> 01:21:52.250
Absolutely. It's pretty simple. So how are you

01:21:52.250 --> 01:21:55.050
feeling as we go into penalties and Christian

01:21:55.050 --> 01:21:56.949
steps up and misses the first one off the bar?

01:21:57.869 --> 01:22:01.109
Did you say, here we go? Were you done at that

01:22:01.109 --> 01:22:03.350
point? Is this, fuck this team, I'm turning it

01:22:03.350 --> 01:22:06.350
off? I didn't turn it off, but I was like, fuck

01:22:06.350 --> 01:22:10.279
this. At some point, you did say... Or was that

01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:15.939
Dan? One of you said, would you think it's wrong

01:22:15.939 --> 01:22:17.739
if I just walk away right now and stop watching?

01:22:19.380 --> 01:22:22.460
I think it might have been Dan. Yeah. Yeah. I

01:22:22.460 --> 01:22:25.899
mean, I get it. I was in the stadium, so I couldn't.

01:22:27.060 --> 01:22:29.699
Go back to the bathroom. I mean, if I didn't

01:22:29.699 --> 01:22:31.439
have to take down the Gorillap Sea banner, maybe

01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:32.979
I would have left at halftime with my dad. I

01:22:32.979 --> 01:22:39.250
don't know. But we'll never know. But yeah. My

01:22:39.250 --> 01:22:42.350
dad's in his 80s. The game wasn't going to end

01:22:42.350 --> 01:22:46.250
until after 10. That is fair. I will say that

01:22:46.250 --> 01:22:52.729
I already got my ticket for the final. Let's

01:22:52.729 --> 01:22:55.869
go. No, we're going to manifest that it's the

01:22:55.869 --> 01:22:57.670
final. But just so the listeners know, it will

01:22:57.670 --> 01:22:59.789
either be the final, you said it before, or the

01:22:59.789 --> 01:23:02.590
third and fourth place game. But yes, we will

01:23:02.590 --> 01:23:06.920
be playing two weeks from yesterday. So Alex,

01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:10.020
I mean, excuse me, not Alex Roldan, Christian

01:23:10.020 --> 01:23:15.539
Roldan misses it. And then Thomas steps up and

01:23:15.539 --> 01:23:18.340
saves it. Off the bar. Yeah, off the bar. Not

01:23:18.340 --> 01:23:22.100
even like a save. Off the bar. For me, I was

01:23:22.100 --> 01:23:25.220
like, it wasn't even like he skies it. It was

01:23:25.220 --> 01:23:27.319
more like, oh man, that would have been really

01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:29.979
great if it didn't hit off the bar. It would

01:23:29.979 --> 01:23:32.880
have been great if it was just... Two inches

01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:34.819
to the left. What I like is he felt terrible,

01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:37.439
obviously. And then the team immediately stepped

01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:39.840
back and there was a save immediately after and

01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:43.000
brought us back level. Exactly. Yeah. That was

01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:46.460
huge. That was absolutely huge. And that's what

01:23:46.460 --> 01:23:49.979
a team should do. You pick your guys up when

01:23:49.979 --> 01:23:53.420
a mistake happens, when something goes wrong,

01:23:53.579 --> 01:23:57.100
when there's bad luck, right? You step up. And

01:23:57.100 --> 01:23:59.920
that's what Thomas did. And then everybody after

01:23:59.920 --> 01:24:04.619
that made their kick. Huge. So when Christian

01:24:04.619 --> 01:24:08.279
took his, what I looked at was the goalie's feet.

01:24:08.579 --> 01:24:11.939
Because it was very close, but it looked like

01:24:11.939 --> 01:24:14.319
he might have been off his line. But then again,

01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:15.979
he didn't do anything to save the ball. Yeah,

01:24:15.979 --> 01:24:17.500
since it hit the bar, I don't think they call

01:24:17.500 --> 01:24:21.869
that. No, which is why I was like, wait. It should

01:24:21.869 --> 01:24:24.210
be a retake, but then I'm like, I thought about

01:24:24.210 --> 01:24:26.010
it today. I'm like, he didn't really do anything

01:24:26.010 --> 01:24:27.850
to the ball. Christian missed just because he

01:24:27.850 --> 01:24:33.470
missed. Yeah. So I think it's just a situation

01:24:33.470 --> 01:24:36.989
that's the ref's discretion. Yeah. So we fast

01:24:36.989 --> 01:24:41.630
forward to the fifth kick. Let's talk about Obed's

01:24:41.630 --> 01:24:42.989
kick. Oh, you want to talk about Obed's? Okay.

01:24:43.270 --> 01:24:45.829
I did not know that Obed had that in his bag.

01:24:46.029 --> 01:24:50.119
Yeah. I was like, oh, Oba's going to take a kick?

01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:52.659
I was like, I don't know. He was fourth, I think?

01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:55.079
Yeah, fourth. Yeah, he was third. Yeah, I was

01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:57.479
like, I don't know. No, he was fifth. Oh, yeah,

01:24:57.479 --> 01:25:00.399
he was fifth. He was the fifth kick, yeah. Which

01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:05.039
is all pressure, right? That's all the pressure.

01:25:05.140 --> 01:25:06.899
He didn't look like there was pressure. You know,

01:25:06.899 --> 01:25:08.439
it was interesting, though. He turned back and

01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:10.539
looked at their bench afterwards. I feel like

01:25:10.539 --> 01:25:12.500
the same way against some of those other teams,

01:25:12.619 --> 01:25:15.060
some of their players are in the youth Mexican

01:25:15.060 --> 01:25:17.810
system. I think he probably is friends with some

01:25:17.810 --> 01:25:19.729
of those guys and was immediately like, shh,

01:25:19.729 --> 01:25:24.689
I got you. He should have cupped his ears. Yeah.

01:25:26.350 --> 01:25:28.850
But yeah, no, it was impressive from Ovid. And

01:25:28.850 --> 01:25:35.350
then right afterwards, Andy says, turns to the

01:25:35.350 --> 01:25:37.750
fans and says, I got this. He said, it's my time.

01:25:37.949 --> 01:25:40.130
It's my time. He points to the floor. He said,

01:25:40.149 --> 01:25:43.670
I got this. Makes the save. Again, not a great

01:25:43.670 --> 01:25:49.060
kick. But still, knew where it was going. In

01:25:49.060 --> 01:25:52.460
fact, I think he... Did he... At least four of

01:25:52.460 --> 01:25:54.619
the five he dove the correct way. I think he

01:25:54.619 --> 01:25:57.760
may have dove the correct way in all five. He

01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:01.119
just... There was one that went down. No, wait.

01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:03.279
There was one that he dove to the left and it

01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:05.760
went right. There was one that went down the

01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:07.680
middle and he dove right. But the other ones

01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:11.439
he dove the right way. Yeah. So he was three

01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:13.680
out of five. Three out of five. But he knew...

01:26:14.740 --> 01:26:16.779
Here's the thing. We've mentioned it before in

01:26:16.779 --> 01:26:19.880
the podcast. Me and a few other Alliance Council

01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:21.899
members had a full conversation with him about

01:26:21.899 --> 01:26:28.560
being a goalie and gamesmanship and what do you

01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:30.960
do in that situation. That's why I knew he was

01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:32.779
going to know which way to go and he wasn't worried

01:26:32.779 --> 01:26:36.079
about it. It was because if he knows what he's

01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:37.460
going to do, he sticks with it. He's not going

01:26:37.460 --> 01:26:39.140
to change because the player does something when

01:26:39.140 --> 01:26:42.039
he steps up. He's confident in what his practice

01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:43.939
has told him, what his homework has told him

01:26:43.939 --> 01:26:45.920
in advance. It's like you don't go into a test

01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:48.420
and then throw away your notes. You just go,

01:26:48.539 --> 01:26:52.159
oh, I know what to do. And you do it. And then

01:26:52.159 --> 01:26:56.460
in the second most iconic moment in his history,

01:26:56.640 --> 01:27:01.659
he turns to the crowd and says, I told you. After

01:27:01.659 --> 01:27:04.420
the same thing. Because the Louisville City US

01:27:04.420 --> 01:27:07.279
Open Cup match where he takes it and kicks the

01:27:07.279 --> 01:27:10.470
game winning. Penalty himself. That is truly

01:27:10.470 --> 01:27:14.210
the epic moment in his career. He is so inspirational

01:27:14.210 --> 01:27:16.550
that the goalie from Orlando did it. Yeah. Yeah.

01:27:17.170 --> 01:27:21.170
Seattle did it first. Inspirational. But I mean,

01:27:21.229 --> 01:27:24.890
Brian said after the game, he was in line to

01:27:24.890 --> 01:27:27.750
take a penalty if it went that far. I think he

01:27:27.750 --> 01:27:29.170
would have taken the sixth one. Yeah, he may

01:27:29.170 --> 01:27:31.189
have. Like he was, he would have taken one for

01:27:31.189 --> 01:27:38.579
sure. So, which is pretty awesome. That's what

01:27:38.579 --> 01:27:41.460
you want out of your goalie, a guy who's super

01:27:41.460 --> 01:27:48.619
confident, who is aura farming, right? To borrow

01:27:48.619 --> 01:27:56.479
some lingo from the kids. From mouth. And he's

01:27:56.479 --> 01:28:03.199
been doing it, and he really put a stamp on his

01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:09.399
stake in the future. with this game i mean really

01:28:09.399 --> 01:28:13.140
truly because we we all saw we all have seen

01:28:13.140 --> 01:28:16.579
his progression so far and just the potential

01:28:16.579 --> 01:28:19.079
there and i feel like that's a moment especially

01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:25.520
against especially in a game where he had what

01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.600
one save right because he only had there was

01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:31.600
only one shot on target against him right he

01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:35.699
stayed locked in during the whole game and he

01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:40.340
almost single -handedly you know making that

01:28:40.340 --> 01:28:44.000
first save after christian misses it right he

01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:49.380
he he just reset everything he let it lets all

01:28:49.380 --> 01:28:52.180
the guys know hey i got you it was funny too

01:28:52.180 --> 01:28:55.359
because puebla like they kept making kicks after

01:28:55.359 --> 01:28:58.600
us in like they kept like copying where we went

01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:01.319
like which i thought was interesting i was like

01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:05.720
that's actually like kind of a uh That's a pretty

01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:09.239
good tactic. It felt like for the next three

01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:12.000
kicks, they were putting it in the same exact

01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:17.800
spot we were. And he did it. He beat them. We

01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:21.039
needed that. We needed a hero to step up, and

01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:23.039
he did. And the excitement from our players.

01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:27.579
It clearly means something to them, especially

01:29:27.579 --> 01:29:30.560
after the frustrating game they had. Because

01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:35.539
he knew who was going nuts. Andy walked out there

01:29:35.539 --> 01:29:37.539
and spread his arms and just hugged a whole bunch

01:29:37.539 --> 01:29:39.359
of players at once. It wasn't like he hugged

01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:41.539
one and everyone jumped on. He grabbed all of

01:29:41.539 --> 01:29:43.739
them with his long -ass arms and hugged them

01:29:43.739 --> 01:29:48.279
in. He said, bring it in, boys. I got you guys.

01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:52.079
He said, this one's on me. You guys can win the

01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:55.859
next one. So where do we go from here? What's

01:29:55.859 --> 01:30:00.079
your takeaway from that? How do you... Do you

01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:02.640
look at this game and go, what can we do better

01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:05.039
against LA, or does it not even matter? The only

01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:06.399
thing you need to think about from this game

01:30:06.399 --> 01:30:09.800
is we don't have Moose next game, and so we're

01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:12.960
going to have to do something else up top. We

01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:18.819
play D -Row. Yeah. Well, we'll have to. Unless

01:30:18.819 --> 01:30:21.819
you put his suit up. What else do we have? Yeah.

01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:29.500
Tsukunomi. He hasn't been signed, so yeah. Interesting.

01:30:29.659 --> 01:30:31.920
What about, what about, hear me out, hear me

01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:35.779
out. What about Jackson Reagan up top? How would

01:30:35.779 --> 01:30:38.199
he fare? If you needed to, like, let's say Osaza

01:30:38.199 --> 01:30:41.819
gets injured, he won't, but, you know, how would,

01:30:41.819 --> 01:30:43.739
how would Jackson Reagan fare? He's, he's big,

01:30:43.819 --> 01:30:45.960
he's tall, he can head the ball. I don't think

01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:48.239
he's fast. He could pass it into the back of

01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:53.579
the net. Yeah. I still remember what he did against,

01:30:53.659 --> 01:30:57.140
was it PSG? Or the Club World, no, but the Fogo

01:30:57.140 --> 01:30:59.859
against the Club World Cup. Tell us what he did.

01:30:59.939 --> 01:31:03.060
I don't remember that long ago. I think he was,

01:31:03.100 --> 01:31:04.380
like, in front of the goal, and he went to, like,

01:31:04.380 --> 01:31:07.319
pass it. Yeah, he went to hit the ball, but he,

01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:11.300
like, hit it sideways. It was like a scramble

01:31:11.300 --> 01:31:13.180
on the goal line, and I was just like, oh, my

01:31:13.180 --> 01:31:15.680
goodness. But to be fair, he was playing much

01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:17.979
better now than he did in the beginning of the

01:31:17.979 --> 01:31:20.600
year. Yeah. For sure. Like, in the beginning

01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:24.579
of the year, I was like, Reagan, Reagan, this

01:31:24.579 --> 01:31:27.460
is why you wanted to be in January camp for this?

01:31:28.329 --> 01:31:31.409
But I think now, if he gets called up, he earned

01:31:31.409 --> 01:31:35.630
it, for sure. Oh, I would love that. I really

01:31:35.630 --> 01:31:41.409
feel like the U .S. men could use a guy like

01:31:41.409 --> 01:31:44.170
that in their back line. Yeah, I think so. I

01:31:44.170 --> 01:31:45.710
think he probably has a little more to go in

01:31:45.710 --> 01:31:51.670
terms of getting there. Oh, sure, sure, sure.

01:31:52.010 --> 01:31:55.420
But you can see the potential. Yeah. I mean,

01:31:55.439 --> 01:31:57.520
who knows? Who knows what's going to happen by

01:31:57.520 --> 01:31:59.159
the time the World Cup rolls around. That's true.

01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:03.539
That would be really cool. I would love to see

01:32:03.539 --> 01:32:07.340
that. You never know. I mean, his passing is

01:32:07.340 --> 01:32:11.859
elite. And he's physically, he's a physical presence.

01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:15.640
Yeah, when he was out injured, we really missed

01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:20.760
his passing out the back. Yeah. It's just not

01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:23.140
the same. The way that he breaks lines with his

01:32:23.140 --> 01:32:26.310
passing. Especially when he comes across the

01:32:26.310 --> 01:32:29.369
field into the other half. I feel like we were

01:32:29.369 --> 01:32:31.550
not getting him at his full potential before

01:32:31.550 --> 01:32:33.430
the Houston match. And that was the first match

01:32:33.430 --> 01:32:38.109
where he really held the ball on the opponent's

01:32:38.109 --> 01:32:40.789
half of the field and used his passing to make

01:32:40.789 --> 01:32:46.329
a strong effect in the match. And he grew up,

01:32:46.350 --> 01:32:49.789
I forget where I heard this, but he grew up playing

01:32:49.789 --> 01:32:55.289
midfield. Oh, interesting. And, I mean, you know,

01:32:55.289 --> 01:32:57.810
now it's like, oh, yeah, that makes sense because

01:32:57.810 --> 01:33:01.189
he's such a good – he's so comfortable picking

01:33:01.189 --> 01:33:03.989
out the right pass and passing it super well.

01:33:04.109 --> 01:33:07.090
It's like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. When he

01:33:07.090 --> 01:33:10.310
took that pass out of the air one touch and just

01:33:10.310 --> 01:33:14.789
– Yeah. I was just like, wow. I was impressed.

01:33:17.010 --> 01:33:21.039
Yeah. Well. At least in the end, Danny's only

01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:22.800
going to have like a two -game suspension maybe.

01:33:24.380 --> 01:33:28.460
He didn't go full Victor Robles and throw a bat

01:33:28.460 --> 01:33:32.260
at the pitcher. I see that. Yeah, it's such a

01:33:32.260 --> 01:33:34.439
bummer. I think 10 is a little much because it's

01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:36.340
not like he didn't throw the bat at the pitcher.

01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:38.119
He threw it towards the pitcher. It was never

01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:41.300
going to hit the pitcher. Yeah. Sometimes they

01:33:41.300 --> 01:33:43.920
deserve it too. Oh, he did deserve it. Keeps

01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:46.079
him honest. Yeah, but you knew it was going to

01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:49.949
be bad. The game's gone. Because the Mariners

01:33:49.949 --> 01:33:52.949
could sure use him right now. They could use

01:33:52.949 --> 01:33:56.369
him and they have to basically burn a roster.

01:33:56.409 --> 01:33:58.470
Yeah, which is even dumber, but this isn't...

01:33:58.470 --> 01:34:01.449
For those 10 games to get him back, right? Which

01:34:01.449 --> 01:34:03.489
is like... Especially when you're already losing

01:34:03.489 --> 01:34:09.050
one to Dylan Moore. I will defend him. I mean,

01:34:09.090 --> 01:34:14.829
I obviously don't throw a bat at another human

01:34:14.829 --> 01:34:19.579
being, but... I think given his history of like,

01:34:19.640 --> 01:34:21.479
he doesn't do stuff like that. He got, he got,

01:34:21.479 --> 01:34:27.079
he got hit five times in. And he just missed

01:34:27.079 --> 01:34:29.079
in a, he got thrown out more times than that.

01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:32.920
And his mom just died. Exactly. It's like, if

01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:36.960
a person snaps after all of that, I'm like, you

01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:38.880
know what? I get it. It's the first snapping.

01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:41.239
Like, I'm like, okay. Yeah. Valid crash out.

01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:46.689
Valid. Yeah. It's like there's no like, oh, well,

01:34:46.770 --> 01:34:49.609
he's morally bankrupt or something like that.

01:34:49.750 --> 01:34:55.350
He's clearly going through it. So, yeah, that

01:34:55.350 --> 01:35:01.050
would be incredibly frustrating. Yeah. Well,

01:35:01.069 --> 01:35:03.750
where do we go from here? Coming out, LA Galaxy,

01:35:03.869 --> 01:35:05.390
you think this has an effect other than Danny

01:35:05.390 --> 01:35:07.789
missing? Are we going to go in there and do what

01:35:07.789 --> 01:35:09.470
we did to them before? It's going to be a tough

01:35:09.470 --> 01:35:16.109
game. What's happening? I don't even know. Last

01:35:16.109 --> 01:35:20.369
time I predicted a game, I got zero points. I

01:35:20.369 --> 01:35:25.609
think I got zero from this last match, for sure.

01:35:27.630 --> 01:35:32.970
I just hope we find a way to win. And that way

01:35:32.970 --> 01:35:37.130
we can host some team from Florida. And we know

01:35:37.130 --> 01:35:39.510
that we're in the cup no matter whether we win

01:35:39.510 --> 01:35:42.819
or lose. Yeah, but it would be damn nice to win

01:35:42.819 --> 01:35:44.880
that cup. Yeah, it's true. And we know it's at

01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:53.060
home. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,

01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:56.439
LA, they're clearly, they're feeling themselves

01:35:56.439 --> 01:35:59.680
right now. And they were, but they were before

01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:02.119
us too. And then we took them out and then they

01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:03.699
lost another game and now they're coming back.

01:36:03.699 --> 01:36:08.119
So it's weird. But that was an MLS regular season

01:36:08.119 --> 01:36:11.439
game, a competition in which they have, zero

01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:14.239
chance of right i mean i don't know what the

01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:16.539
math says but i mean they're they're pretty much

01:36:16.539 --> 01:36:18.380
eliminated yeah i mean i don't think they're

01:36:18.380 --> 01:36:21.600
actually eliminated it's not gonna have all the

01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:24.619
teams above them lose a lot of games exactly

01:36:24.619 --> 01:36:27.500
which yeah that's not gonna happen in the league's

01:36:27.500 --> 01:36:30.079
cup they're in the summer i find right that's

01:36:30.079 --> 01:36:32.220
that's huge and this is their path to the champions

01:36:32.220 --> 01:36:38.560
cup absolutely absolutely so this is this is

01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:42.829
uh you know this is their super bowl right they're

01:36:42.829 --> 01:36:46.770
they're gonna be so difficult to play against

01:36:46.770 --> 01:36:51.369
um i feel like uh just because they're they're

01:36:51.369 --> 01:36:53.409
their energy they're gonna be up for it and we

01:36:53.409 --> 01:36:57.130
are we're really short -handed you know we're

01:36:57.130 --> 01:37:00.109
missing two of our designated players right and

01:37:00.109 --> 01:37:02.310
they're missing ricky pooch yeah sure we know

01:37:02.310 --> 01:37:04.470
we know where even if pedro starts he's gonna

01:37:04.470 --> 01:37:06.850
be subbed off too early and not get enough minutes

01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:15.960
It seems to be the case. But I feel like, I don't

01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:18.180
know, I feel like there's something in there.

01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:21.220
I feel like we really need Jesus to have a really

01:37:21.220 --> 01:37:23.939
good game. And if he gets an opportunity like

01:37:23.939 --> 01:37:29.760
he got on Wednesday night, then he's got to capitalize

01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:34.460
on that. I think he's going to be really important

01:37:34.460 --> 01:37:39.949
for that for us. Yeah, against Galaxy. Galaxy

01:37:39.949 --> 01:37:44.369
are favored by sportsbooks, despite the fact

01:37:44.369 --> 01:37:48.289
that we beat them 4 -0 there in the previous

01:37:48.289 --> 01:37:50.649
match. Well, they just want to drive bets, right?

01:37:50.710 --> 01:37:53.270
They just want to get suckers like us to put

01:37:53.270 --> 01:37:57.369
some money down on the Sounders. But usually,

01:37:57.630 --> 01:38:02.750
you know, a draw is plus 185 to plus 230. Sounders

01:38:02.750 --> 01:38:05.189
win is plus 210 to plus 320. Obviously, it depends

01:38:05.189 --> 01:38:08.920
on the book. LA Galaxy win, plus 130 to plus

01:38:08.920 --> 01:38:12.420
175. The few places that do it by spread, LA

01:38:12.420 --> 01:38:15.739
Galaxy is favored by a half goal. So over -under

01:38:15.739 --> 01:38:19.800
looks to be... They're expecting the under, which

01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:22.560
is 2 .5. Oh, because it's a 10 .5. Interesting.

01:38:23.220 --> 01:38:26.939
They're expecting, what, a 1 -0? Yeah, 1 -0 or

01:38:26.939 --> 01:38:32.020
2 -1, essentially. 2 -0. That's my fear, is a

01:38:32.020 --> 01:38:36.890
1 -0. I mean, I feel like that's realistic. Yeah,

01:38:37.010 --> 01:38:43.630
that feels like a pretty realistic outcome. I

01:38:43.630 --> 01:38:46.750
mean, the last big knockout semifinal game we

01:38:46.750 --> 01:38:50.250
played against them last year to get to MLS Cup

01:38:50.250 --> 01:38:55.470
was a 1 -0 victory for LA Galaxy on one mistake,

01:38:55.649 --> 01:38:57.890
right? One mistake, that's all it took. Now,

01:38:58.010 --> 01:39:02.189
obviously, completely different teams. different

01:39:02.189 --> 01:39:05.170
tournament but yeah i mean they're gonna be at

01:39:05.170 --> 01:39:07.750
home they're they're gonna be really really i

01:39:07.750 --> 01:39:10.229
mean they need this they really truly do need

01:39:10.229 --> 01:39:14.529
this so it's gonna be incredibly difficult but

01:39:14.529 --> 01:39:20.210
i i feel like we're we have the capability to

01:39:20.210 --> 01:39:22.850
find a way it's just like okay who's gonna step

01:39:22.850 --> 01:39:25.609
up and do it yeah i don't know if their fans

01:39:25.609 --> 01:39:28.010
will show up though it's midweek just a late

01:39:28.010 --> 01:39:31.859
kickoff Their stadium is so weird. The vibes

01:39:31.859 --> 01:39:34.060
are so weird there. Unless they're giving out

01:39:34.060 --> 01:39:36.460
free tickets, I don't see them filling it up.

01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:44.079
Really? This is their big thing. This is the

01:39:44.079 --> 01:39:46.479
one thing that they have that they could win.

01:39:47.380 --> 01:39:52.100
Yeah. I don't know. It'll be interesting to see.

01:39:52.159 --> 01:39:54.989
People showed up a little bit. There, but also

01:39:54.989 --> 01:39:56.630
you got to remember that they had double headers.

01:39:56.710 --> 01:39:58.149
So there, I don't know if they cleared the stadium

01:39:58.149 --> 01:40:01.270
or not, but there's already people there. Cause

01:40:01.270 --> 01:40:03.569
they've had, it must've, it must've been a two

01:40:03.569 --> 01:40:08.329
for one special, which is cool. Well, let's,

01:40:08.329 --> 01:40:10.329
let's get out of here. So we've been going for

01:40:10.329 --> 01:40:13.609
a while. What are your final thoughts on the

01:40:13.609 --> 01:40:19.210
Sounders performance against Puebla? At the end

01:40:19.210 --> 01:40:23.289
of the day, we're going to see that we won. We

01:40:23.289 --> 01:40:26.029
can look at all the underlining stats later,

01:40:26.149 --> 01:40:29.229
but what matters is that we're moving on to the

01:40:29.229 --> 01:40:35.590
next round. You don't got to win pretty. You

01:40:35.590 --> 01:40:42.170
just got to win. Yeah. Yeah, just got to win.

01:40:42.270 --> 01:40:48.750
I mean, you know, we won our first MLS Cup by

01:40:49.539 --> 01:40:51.659
defending our asses off we didn't have a single

01:40:51.659 --> 01:40:57.819
shot on goal right or i forget i didn't we didn't

01:40:57.819 --> 01:41:00.199
even have a single shot right like we didn't

01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:05.140
even get to that point and we won in pks um and

01:41:05.140 --> 01:41:08.739
in a weird way in this game we're on the we're

01:41:08.739 --> 01:41:12.399
it's like a weird inverse where we were the team

01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:15.439
the aggressor right and we weren't able to score

01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:19.659
and but we we won on pks i will take that That's

01:41:19.659 --> 01:41:23.659
a little bit lucky. There's some magic. There's

01:41:23.659 --> 01:41:28.680
some Andy Thomas just being an absolute baller,

01:41:28.699 --> 01:41:33.359
just owning this tournament. I feel like we just

01:41:33.359 --> 01:41:35.739
got to carry that momentum forward. I know all

01:41:35.739 --> 01:41:39.420
the guys are going to be super juiced up after

01:41:39.420 --> 01:41:45.100
he saved our bacon, and they're going to want

01:41:45.100 --> 01:41:49.409
to continue forward. and beat LA. You know, this

01:41:49.409 --> 01:41:51.529
is important. This is super important for us

01:41:51.529 --> 01:41:53.689
to keep winning in this tournament and to get

01:41:53.689 --> 01:41:58.430
a birth and a champions cup next year. So that's

01:41:58.430 --> 01:42:00.510
what I'm banking on. Well, you can find me at

01:42:00.510 --> 01:42:03.270
legal minded punk on all the different social

01:42:03.270 --> 01:42:08.050
medias, although a bunch are suspended right

01:42:08.050 --> 01:42:11.670
now. So I'm sure I'll be back eventually. I don't,

01:42:11.670 --> 01:42:13.149
that's I have no, I can't get any news cause

01:42:13.149 --> 01:42:14.609
I get all my news from Twitter. So I have no

01:42:14.609 --> 01:42:17.289
idea. What's going on in the world? Maybe that's

01:42:17.289 --> 01:42:20.390
a good thing. What was it? Impersonation? You

01:42:20.390 --> 01:42:24.529
can find Cedar and Alex on Discord, right? Yeah.

01:42:25.489 --> 01:42:29.130
Join the Discord. Remember a few episodes ago

01:42:29.130 --> 01:42:32.569
we talked about Sounders fans selling a boat.

01:42:33.069 --> 01:42:36.810
Form that Sounders Yacht Club. I'm sure he'll

01:42:36.810 --> 01:42:39.210
make you a deal if you want to get in and just

01:42:39.210 --> 01:42:42.180
help out on the mortgage costs. and make you

01:42:42.180 --> 01:42:46.340
a hell of a deal. So hit up the notes we have

01:42:46.340 --> 01:42:48.199
here. We want more Sounders fans with boats so

01:42:48.199 --> 01:42:52.539
we can go watch games on boats and stuff. That

01:42:52.539 --> 01:42:55.680
would be fun. DanBase. Yeah, the DanBase will

01:42:55.680 --> 01:43:16.090
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01:43:16.090 --> 01:43:19.109
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We'll see you at Lumen and go Sounders! Alexa,

01:43:55.960 --> 01:44:00.060
who's the best MLS team of all time? The Seattle

01:44:00.060 --> 01:44:02.100
Sounders are both unequivocally and intuitively

01:44:02.100 --> 01:44:04.420
the best MRS team of all time.