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This is Cameron. I am here with two of the three
ultras, Dan and Cedar. What is up, gentlemen?
How are you doing on this fine Sunday evening?
I am having a great evening. You know, after
a Sanders win, I watched E -Row put the ball
in, immediately turned it off, went and had dinner.
I haven't checked the news yet, so it was a great
game. Oh, Dan, I have some news for you. There
was only a minute left. There's no way they could
have equalized, right? Yeah, do you remember
the Super Bowl between the Falcons and the Patriots?
The last Super Bowl I watched was in 1995. That's
how much of a diehard Cowboys fan you only watch
when the Cowboys are in? You're never watching
a Super Bowl again. If we can take a quick second
to do like a roundabout, you know, way out of
the way story. You know, remember that the Janet
Jackson Super Bowl, the super famous one? Yeah,
I ended up to go get pizza and wings at halftime.
Came back to the dorms and everybody was having
a good time except for me. And I was like, what
did I miss? Well, the Falcons versus. Who did
they play? Denver Super Bowl. It would have been
Super Bowl 1999. My roommate got alcohol poisoning
the night before and was puking everywhere. And
they had to take him out in an ambulance. And
I had to go to the hospital with him while they
pumped his stomach in the emergency room. Because
he said afterwards, the last thing he remembered
was his 20th shot. And he was drinking beers
at the same time. So the Hawaii club, he was
from Hawaii and the Hawaii club real, real, really
got him. So that's, that's my big Superbowl.
One of the couple Superbowl stories has is I
was, I spent it at the emergency room waiting
for my, to see if my roommate had brain damage.
Wow. Jesus. My dad once went to the Superbowl
and his friends spent all this time under the
stands gambling instead of watching the game.
I mean, gambling addiction is a very serious
thing. Yeah, that is true. Case in point. But
if you're going to do it, might as well do it
while the Raiders are playing the Vikings. So
the Sounders did play. The final score was 2
-2 as a wonder goal in the 99th minute from a
guy whose name I cannot pronounce from Atlanta.
uh curious what y 'all thought of that game just
in general what are the vibes you're getting
off of it very nice thank you thank you well
i wasn't able to watch it live because i was
at work and usually i'm pretty good about um
keeping the not knowing what the score is so
i can watch the replay and kind of you know watch
it as it's happening similar to like with Aaron
and the Mariners. But yeah, I, I, I somehow I
saw the score and I saw it was a two, two draw.
And I was like, ah, man, like, you know, that
sucks. I, I was like, no, well now I don't really
want to watch it. So I ended up watching the
highlights after I got home from work today.
And, um, yeah, honestly, I, I feel a lot better
than I thought I was going to feel. Cause we're,
you know, we're now what? um were undefeated
in six or seven since the world cup club world
cup and it was against an atlanta team that yeah
they're not doing so great in the standings but
it sounds like you know because of their recent
poor performances their head coach ripped them
a new one um and You could tell they were up
for the game. They were playing like their backs
were against the wall because they are. And they
they took it to us, especially in that first
half. And, you know, they got a little bit lucky
with that first goal with the deflection. But
I mean, the way they played that first half,
they could have been up two or three nothing
by the end of it. So the fact that we, you know,
equalize. got the lead, but then gave it up right
at the end from, you know, the Marin chick goal.
Like, yeah, I mean, it was, it was a really nice
goal. There's not a lot you could do about that.
I mean, you could close them down a little bit
quicker. Like a wave was out there, I think,
but I don't know. I don't think anybody was expecting
that. So disappointing result, but overall, you
know, seeing Pedro have a, another good goal,
another good performance. Yeah. Just overall.
um not feeling too bad honestly so maybe different
uh thoughts than dan might have coming out of
watching the whole match uh cooking at halftime
i'm gonna just disappoint everybody and i'm not
really crashing out too much on this game uh
this uh it's kind of a trend i mean our mls year
started this way too right giving up late not
as late but a late equalizer to what charlotte
and Yeah. Well, you know, we've been shaky towards
the end of the game a couple of times. I think
there was some times last year, too. And, you
know, but sometimes stuff happens. And that was
that was a great shot. Not much you could do
to stop it. I don't know for them. They get a
say in the outcome to the opposing team, get
to say the outcome, too. But really, you know,
if you're going to point it to anything, I think
you're going to have to point at the first half
and just say, hey, white. why did we look like
the worst offense that we've had all year in
the first half? You know, it wasn't even a horseshoe
at death at the, at the box. It was a horseshoe
at death at the, at the midfield center backs,
just, just kind of tossing around. And it's,
I don't know why every team that plays us just
doesn't sit in the box and encounter. If I was
a coach, I would, I would do all day. It seems,
it seems to work well against us. And you saw,
especially on, our left, their right, that they
were able to take Reed to task a few times there.
We missed Nuhu. Definitely missed Nuhu in the
game, and so I think maybe we can pump our brakes
on having to move away from Nuhu. Maybe that's
why Brian puts up with it, just because he knew
who's the anchor there on the left when he's
in. I mean, we know he's an elite -level defender,
so it's... When he's playing defense, he's on,
right? And we saw a little offense out of him
when he had that baby D -row assist. Yeah, that
was a great dog. Yeah. He was a garbage here
too, right? I don't know. I am curious if the
frustration you felt during the first half, because
I certainly felt it, it was a... A game where
it felt like, here we go again. Especially on
the road. This is our MO. We can't seem to score.
Did the second half wipe that away for you? Because
Cedar didn't get that since he didn't have to
sit through the first half. Were you still frustrated
at the end once it's all said and done? Or do
you think, we're on the road. Getting a point
on the road is great. Getting up for a road game
can be tough. Especially that field. looked horrendous.
It was only 65 % humidity and only, but still
it wasn't, you know, Houston 90 % humidity, but
clearly the players looked winded and just done
early. I think our midfield needs some rotation
and the league's got coming up. You know, I think
anybody's going to be amazed if we don't rotate
the midfield. They're at least up because that
would be crazy. No, I mean, what makes me feel
better at the end of this game is that we still
have a loss after the World Cup. I think that's
huge is that we were on an unbeaten streak. Yeah,
we've had some ties in there that we probably
should have turned into wins, but we're still
collecting points and we're still inching forward.
But, yeah, I mean, as far as being upset about
the first half, we've talked about it. I have
sound or scant score PTSD from whenever I came
in in the past couple years, and it just seems
to be something that they keep falling back to.
And whenever times get hard, we're just going
to kind of hold possession and we're going to
recycle, and that's it. Let me tell you, even
before you were a fan, there was games where
we had 20 shots. One on goal, no goals. It was
painful. Or we'd win a game 1 -0, and a win's
good, but it gets frustrating. Yeah, that calls
to mind that RSL playoff match with that goalie.
I forget his name now, but I can see his face,
and I remember hating him so much back then.
Nick Raimondo? No, no, no, no. It was the young
guy. It was the young guy. You know who I'm talking
about. Yeah, and he had a great game, but boy,
he was, you know, he was totally like shithousing
and stuff. Like he was, man, that was a rough,
rough game. That's interesting. Do you think
for me most, I mean, there's exceptions because
of Portland players, but outside of Portland
players, I feel like. The players I hate the
most are goalies. Let me see. The Kansas City
goalie who tackled Christian. You know, there's
just certain, like Nick Raimondo, he had that
Kobe Bryant effect where he was so good, you
couldn't hate him. but most of the other ones,
they're just chumps. Who's the Houston guy who
used to be in Portland that had the little rat
tail last year? They didn't keep him, but him,
I mean, it's just goalies love to make themselves
the villain because they're trying to get in
the player's head, and it works. I think I just
hate goalies because of it. It's huge, right,
Cedar? If you what? If you make a big save. Like,
as a goalie, you get under the skin of the players.
Like, of course people are going to hate you.
I mean, their job is literally to ruin, like,
the day of the opposing team. And that's got
to be... Yeah, I mean, you've got to be a little
bit psychopathic, too, to be taking all those
shots. It's intense. So, yeah, I mean, they do
get amped up, and I think that's definitely...
They're going to be more animated than most players
on the field. Yeah. Steve Clark. Yeah. I knew
it was like a Steve something. Took me a minute.
Yeah. Yeah. Maxime Crippo. Like there's a lot
of guys. Yeah. They just like, they rub you the
wrong way. Yeah. And it feels very personal against
them. My favorite was, I think it was the Olympia
keeper who, after who caused a big, uh kerfuffle
will say and then after brad evans scored the
game -winning goal against olympia he ran and
got in his face and uh it was a it was a champions
league match and it was like and then like of
course everyone starts shoving in a fight almost
breaks out but watching brad evans just get fired
up and go after an opposing keeper was was so
glorious especially because i think it's not
i mean it still happens but concaf champions
league used to be such a clash in styles where
you had a time -wasting diving team playing against
an MLS team. And now I think some MLS teams have
figured out how to time waste and dive a little
bit. Sounders did it when we went on a run to
win. We don't see it too often. But man, there's
something about just going and getting in the
goalie space and watching Brad Evans. It was
a game we should have lost and then came back
and won. And it was just so gratifying. So much
fun. Well, speaking of goalies, we have one,
Andrew Thomas. If he continues on the trajectory
that he's currently on, there's going to be some
opposing teams of fans that will hate him in
the coming years. I don't think either of his
goals, either of the goals he allowed last night
could have been stopped. I don't think there's
been really any. I mean, the team has given up
a lot of goals since he's came in, and there's
nothing that you can point out with him that
he's doing wrong in goal. Now, you may be able
to make the argument that some of the soft skills
that Try has developed with his maturity and
being in the league so long, we're missing that
with some of the structure on the back end. But
then again, you know, it wasn't Thomas that let,
you know, Reed Baker Whiting just get a duke.
It wasn't Thomas that had Amar knock the ball
into the goal either. So Thomas was in a good
position for the cross coming back in. Totally.
Absolutely. And I don't think you can stop from
that angle. You're not going to be able to stop
it. You don't expect it, right? It's just bad
luck because we had it on the other end. They
had a clearance and it hit the post. So if it's
to the right an inch or two, it's a goal for
us, an own goal for us. I think it's those things
that are keeping me from crashing out on this
one. Finding the silver lining. Wow. That's,
I mean, I will say as a Cowboys fan, you're probably
equipped to find the small things to keep you
going. I think a lot of my eggs, especially on
discord is because I'm a Cowboys fan and it's,
I've seen a team reach a pinnacle and then just
fall apart. Right. And Seattle Sounders have
reached a pinnacle and I'm. like okay are we
going to continue building the roster in the
same way that one is our last championships are
we gonna we changing everything now yeah i mean
i think that's real uh and as seattle fans we
i'm sure cedar can speak to this uh it's something
that uh we're all too familiar with being uh
mariners fans and seahawks fans and just how
it goes uh when you're from here it's it's we
we have the a similar and i think that's where
a lot of my uh sports anxiety comes from it's
watching teams get so close but never make it
now the sounders have made it right we we have
two stars but uh we get that third one and maybe
we're considered a great dynasty same with the
seahawks we get that one win but if they if jeremy
lane doesn't was his leg he broke in the super
bowl if cliff averill doesn't get hit in the
head and suddenly I almost said Wayne Brady.
Tom Brady doesn't get that Super Bowl win, the
first one in two decades. Suddenly, Wayne Brady,
Tom Brady is no longer considered the greatest
of all time because he hasn't won a Super Bowl
in two decades. And the Seahawks are one of the
greatest legacy teams of all time with that defense.
And so how one game can change the entire perception
of how you look at people, man, that would have
been awesome if Tom Brady weren't considered
the GOAT. Here's the thing, is when you can play
against the AFC East every single game for your
entire career, you're going to win a lot of games
and throw for a lot of yards and always get the
number one seed in home advantage, home field
advantage, which is why you're going to win championships.
So he's overrated. The Cowboys fit in his career.
Oh, were they the ones that... His last game
with Tampa Bay was a playoff loss to the Cowboys.
Excellent. Excellent. I'll take it. Jerry Jones
does something right for a change. I don't know
if Jerry Jones did anything right, but it's going
to go that far. I mean, they've got the old coach
from Green Bay. The Cowboys are never going to
win a championship with him. Oh, he finally fired
him. Oh, that's right. They have Kellen. Who's
the guy, the offensive coordinator? Yeah. Oh
yeah. But the, the, they brought over the guy
that used to be the quarterback at Boise state
back in the day. No, he's with the Eagles. Oh,
he left. Yeah. No, we, we, he left, went to San
Diego. Then he went to the Eagles, won a Superbowl
ring. So, so yeah. Yeah. The excuse was that
it was Kellen Moore, you know, not Mike McCarthy.
And so within four years later, we ended up firing
Mike McCartney. Now we've got Brian Schottenheimer
and he's. He doesn't call his own plays. He's
never been a head coach before. Yeah, it's just,
you know. He's got the name. He's got the name.
Schottenheimer was his dad, was an incredible
coach. So maybe Marty Ball? Yeah. I think he
was part of that whole Mike Holmgren, which was
all part of really the Bill Walsh family tree.
I think there's a better chance the Sounders
win a cup this year than the Cowboys win two
playoff games. I mean, that's a good segue here.
What are you seeing from this team that you can
take moving forward? Because as much as it's
frustrating to lose that game, a point on the
road is always good. And if they're going to
continue not to lose, they're going to keep moving
up the stands. It feels like... This team is
clearly flawed. They're missing a goal scorer.
But that has never stopped us before from going
on a playoff run. And missing goal scorers, we
typically have a defense. Yeah, I guess that's
true. Hopefully the defense will be able to settle
down as we get Yamar, Reagan, some more minutes
together. Maybe we can figure out a back line.
Question for y 'all is, speaking of the back
line and the defense and some of the younger
players we have, in the past, we've seen Brian
want to pair players. For example, JP with Intensio
and then having Roldan with Vargas. And so a
lot of times whenever he swaps out that double
pivot, he's swapping out two players because
he likes them in pairs. And so I was wondering
if we're going to start seeing something like
that with Reed Baker Whiting and KKR. where they
don't want to have them on the field at the same
time because neither one of them is lights out
defense. And so we may see KKR paired more with
Nuhu and then maybe Alex more with Reed Baker
-Whitey. What's y 'all's thoughts on that? Seems
like sound logic to me. I also think, too, having,
I mean, we saw it with Nuhu coming back. in the
game from his suspension. He was in there with
Kent, and they put Kent on the left side, right?
So ironically, it was Nuhu who assisted the goal.
But having him as kind of that safety valve when
you've got somebody more offensive -minded like
Kent up top seems to be a good combination. Yeah,
it would be nice, too, to see, especially with
League's Cup coming up, um see some uh you know
some danny leva action in the midfield and you
know pairing him with you know who who would
who do you guys think would be a good regular
partner for him somebody like jp just because
you've got that experience i mean i actually
but he's going to come back at some point right
yeah but i think it's probably a longer term
thing i don't think i don't think his injury
is such that uh i think we talked about a last
episode where his knee is intact so he can come
back for sure but uh in the short term I don't
think we'll see him now traditionally what they
did was they put Rusnak back there with Obed
uh early on when we still had Nico which they
actually worked really well together so I it's
interesting to see what they might do I mean
you figure Danny Leyva will get some minutes
who is our other center defensive mid I'm trying
to think of that right now as we're sitting here
I don't do we have Another without JP? No, Snyder
Brunel. Oh, I think that's it. Let's see. I know
that there's been a lot of chatter about him
being signed, but I don't think the club's actually
released it yet. Yeah. And is he ready? Is he
at that level? I mean, he obviously has done
it for, I was going to say Sounders 2, Tacoma
Defiance. he's got to do it at a bigger level
and can you put him and danny together i i do
worry that you need a little more uh experience
i'll say i just pulled up snyder's um page on
soundersfc .com and i don't think he's old enough
to drive looking at his picture here so yeah
Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see. I mean,
I think that's – I expect that and maybe – I
think Nick and I were talking about this a little
bit. Maybe this is a chance for Christian to
get some breaks and we'll see more Obed in there
because it's a chance for him to show up big
against teams from the national team he supports,
especially against Cruz Azul, which – let's continue
this just for this first game then uh for that
cruz azul match are you rotating the roster are
you treating this like uh you would any other
important game and then rotating it after that
i'm rotating the roster but i'm not going crazy
with it um i would like to see kkr on the right
again at the right back not not the right wing
You know, maybe you're starting PDLV and Kent.
Jesus has had a lot of minutes here recently.
Maybe that's a game where you do start Leyva
at the 10 because Brian seems lately like he
doesn't want to put Leyva down in the double
pivot. He wants to play him at the 10. Have him
come on for a roost snack. But probably the first
game, a mixed lineup would be what I would do.
Something that you can still think that you're
going to be competitive against Cruz Azul. Probably
give Moose the start. I want to see more Pedro
because it's about time that he's on the field
doing stuff. Free Pedro. I think it would be
fun to see Pedro, Jesus, and Keanu George all
up top. And then, like you said, with Rusnak
dropped back down to the double pivot. But, you
know, you've got to be careful taking away what
Rusnak does because he does it so well. Yeah,
that's all our assists pretty much since the
areola injury. Not literally, but it feels like
it. Yeah, there might be more of a softer landing
coming up. Softer than Cruz Azul if they want
to start playing Danny at the 10. Because even
though Cruz Azul's season has just started, I
mean, they're only three match days in. They're
a great team, and they're undefeated in their
league. Was it one win, two draws? Yeah. So they're
a really good team. But I do agree with Dan on
the rotation. Yeah, keep Pedro in there starting
because you want to just let him build that momentum
that he's got going, especially against really
good competition. But some of these guys do need
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programming. And we are back. What are you drinking
there, Cedar? I have got in my hand, I've got
Monterey beer. It's an offering from Alvarado
Street. Oh, yeah. So what you're drinking last
week, right? Last episode. Yeah. And yeah, it's
good. I love anything by Alvarado Street. They
do an incredible job. And yeah, it's a really
good lager. It's similar to like a Miller High
Life, but. A little bit. It's got a little bit
more of a bite to it. It's a little bit breadier.
So I like it. Very nice. Very nice. So we were
talking about Sounders changes, but I think that
leads us perfectly into a discussion of leagues
cup coming up here. We've got three matches.
First match against Cruz Azul. Second match against,
I'm forgetting it. Third match against Tijuana.
The professionals here at Sounders scuttlebutt.
the the uh both uh the schedule for the sounders
the games are against lesser lesser might not
be the right word uh but they they're against
teams that are should be beatable uh santos laguna
that's right who who has had some great times
in the past uh but what do you do you think this
is we can do a little bit of uh shifting of the
offense or the the lineup in this match and then
this against Cruz Azul on Thursday and then for
Sunday and Wednesday's matches we can really
shift them because we should beat those teams
with maybe not our backups but more of our non
-starters I think you're just going to have to
do it for the betterment of MLS, which has to
be your top priority at this point, especially
where we're sitting at the table. And, you know,
the team knows their stats for the home and away
losses, too. And they know that they're scoring
more at home. They're defending better at home
and just get as close as we can to having as
many home playoff games. Yeah, do some rotation,
do some rest, especially with the way that the
League's Cup is going to be. To get to the next
round, it's going to be your points compared
to all the other MLS clubs. So it may not be
super easy to get out. You're probably going
to have to win all three. I have a feeling, depending
on how MLS does, the Sounders, I think, could
get out with a draw and two wins. Yeah, do some
rotation. Let some of these younger players...
get out there. And maybe we'll even see Dino
for like an entire game. Wouldn't that be cool
to see him play the entire game against Tijuana?
It'd be interesting to see. I don't know if I'm
there yet, but I also have not watched him play
at Defiance. So for me, it's scary enough having
to start Moose up there. As great as he's been.
You know what I mean? Like, I want someone who
can score, which he's proving he can, and he's
proved it all season. But he did have that stretch
of 11 games where he didn't have any goals. So
we need something up top. He's going to need
a break, though, right? You know, Moose is going
to need a break. And he had some earlier this
year, there was some injury concerns. I think
he missed a game for an injury, too. We started
Georgie up top that game that he missed. Yeah.
And that ended up being a bad one. No, not good.
It's not something we apparently will be repeating
from what I can tell. Let's shift then, and then
we'll come back to Leagues Cup. Noah, Ohio. A
potential forward signing. Let's assume it happens.
Let's just say it happens. What are you two thinking
in terms of it will even have an impact? I mean,
by the time... We have 10 games left in the regular
season. Thankfully, this tournament pushes it
back a little bit. But will he even be able to
come in and have any impact this season? Or are
we just rolling with Moose and baby D -Ro? I
think if he comes in, there would be plenty of
minutes for him. I mean, he's got kind of the
physical profile of D -Ro. He's about... Half
an inch shorter, but he's a sizable dude, 172
pounds, 6 '1". And just looking quickly at FB
Ref, not diving into it super deep, but the similar
players to him that they have in their own internal
models. I'm looking at a few of these names here.
He's comparable to Tani Oluwase from Minnesota
United, who we saw score. what, one or two goals
against us this year. Sam Surridge on Nashville,
I think he leads the Golden Boot race. And then
Hugo Kuypers, who's playing for Chicago Fire,
and he's also up there in the Golden Boot race.
So getting a guy of that profile, he's bigger,
he can score goals. I think there are plenty
of minutes for him, especially cause you know,
I, I don't look, we're not, if we're not, I really
don't think we're going to make a deep run and
win MLS cup. If we only have Musafsky and baby
D row up top. I mean, Jordan, there's a chance
for him to come back, but we'd have no idea right
now. So yeah, I would, I could totally see Ohio
coming in and. and make it an impact. I'm going
to play a little bit of devil's advocate with
you. I'm going to say this transfer here with
Noah is looking more towards next year than anything
this year. And I think any minutes, if he does
come in, it still looks like it's 50 -50. If
he does come in, we know that... For whatever
reason, players tend to have a hard time, at
least recently, coming in and adjusting to what
we're doing on the field. We've had several players
come in and just take a long time to get started.
We thought Kent was going to bust that trend,
and as it turns out, he has not. It's not unique
to the Sounders, by the way. We've seen that.
Summer transfers don't have an impact, typically.
If you make a playoff run, maybe later in the
playoffs, but not during the regular season,
for sure. But San Diego takes time to get adjusted,
and San Diego can put a team together overnight
and just go and win all the games. So it's for
them. But that and just also I think Brian has
reluctance to play players that he just does
not have full faith in. And so if Noah hasn't
had the time to build that faith with Brian,
I think that Brian's going to be more reluctant
to put him in. Now, with that said, I think that
Noah Ohio has the exact profile that you would
want for the scheme that Brian wants to run.
And so I think that we could be seeing maybe
next year Noah Ohio maybe doing some things and
getting integrated into the Sounders offense.
But I don't think that he would be a saving piece
this year. Yeah. And I wonder how long it even
takes to bring him here, obviously. And this
is, again, not that we don't ever get political,
but being political exists. And who is president
changes how long it takes to get visas. He does
have UK citizenship as well. So maybe that makes
it a little bit easier. I could see Trump not
realizing that Netherlands is part of Europe.
It's an interesting thought where how long will
it even take them to be registered and get here?
And so getting just the minutes and used to the
players when you only have 10 games left, it
will be tough. Yeah, our administration blocked
the entire Little League team from coming and
playing. That's just heartless. That just happened,
yeah. That's not even the worst thing they've
done today. That is accurate. But yeah, I mean,
it certainly is a concern. I think people are
also concerned about it around the World Cup.
I kind of don't think it's going to be a concern
for the World Cup. I think they're going to pull
back enforcement. And the reason I believe that
is Infantino is friends with Trump. When we were
working on the human rights framework that made
it all the way up to their number two and approved
it and then Infantino shut it down, I mean, we
knew very well that they were rooting for Trump
to win the election because it was going to do
good things for FIFA. So, yeah, it's interesting
because you would think their job would be to
get fans into the country to watch their premier
event, but that's not really what they care about.
You mean they would rather have a president they
can bribe? A club winner trophy. My next question
is, does Trump get to keep the World Cup trophy
like he did with the Club World Cup? Maybe that's
a bribe. I mean, it's not the original anyways.
The original was stolen in Brazil, so it is already
a replica. It's a really big trophy, right? Yeah.
but yeah well then they can just put it on top
of the box with the epstein files and then nobody
can get into it because the trophy will be too
big yeah so i i mean i i don't think it's i honestly
don't think it's going to affect the the world
cup because i think they will pull back on some
of the enforcement the way they're already talking
about creating a brassero like program for workers
and stuff like that uh my guess is that they
next summer I think they'll still have operations
in order to go get people, but it won't be the
fans that are coming into the country to watch
the games. It's Beaseless, right? So they're
not going to go kick people out there at a soccer
game who are from a different country and are
just coming to visit. They'll go after people
who should be here and they don't want here,
unfortunately. Going after people contributing
to our society and some of the ways that the
rest of us don't want to. Getting back on to
the NOAA Ohio thing, you have a sense of where
we're at right now in the negotiations. Going
off of what I've read on Blue Sky and some of
the other reporting about it is that we already
have a transfer bill agreed to and we're waiting
on NOAA Ohio to agree to terms and accept. Is
that where you're thinking we're at too? Yeah,
that's, I mean, just saying from reading the
reports and it seems like, yes, that's the case.
And I mean, obviously he'd then have to pass
a physical and then get the visa before he could
play. But my guess is it'll come down to whether
or not he thinks it's good for his career to
come here. Things are working in our favor with
him only getting 10 minutes in EuroLeague last
week. So if he's not getting minutes, he doesn't
want to be at his regular club. So maybe that's
where you send Ryan Kent out to do a little conversation
with him. Because even though Ryan hasn't had
the best run here for a bit, I mean, I think
he knows perfectly well this is an opportunity
for him. And it would be the same thing for Noah
Ohio. You come in, you dominate, you're going
to be able to go to whatever club you want in
Europe. I mean, not the Barcelonas, but you know
what I mean. Realistically, you're going to be
able to go to a Premier League team a Syria team
or where you want to go in terms of the league
in order to continue your, your trajectory up.
Go for it. No, go ahead. Cause this kind of moves
the conversation along. So if you want to add
more to no Ohio coming here, I was just going
to say, I mean, he's from the Netherlands, you
know, weed is legal in the state of Washington.
So, you know, you're not going to get that everywhere
in the U S so come on down. I'll, I'll, I'll
meet him with a gift. Let's go. Yeah. We'll,
we'll bring out the welcome wagon for older.
That's amazing. We just, players are showing
up and we're here like here. Enjoy. I don't think
Brian would be too happy. Oh no, he would be.
I'm sure he would be really angry. I'm assuming
that there's, I don't know. Is there drug testing
in the MLS? Oh, I don't know. But I just wonder
about internal team expectations, right? Like,
hey, save it for the offseason, something like
that. I have no idea how that goes. The thing
that I've never heard of a MLS player suspended
over cannabis, I'm going to say probably not,
because cannabis use is pretty widespread. You
follow the WADA list of prohibited substances,
so... Oh, okay, okay. Which means they... it's
probably does not include let's see here uh the
2025 prohibited list that is now enforced includes
uh well it's a lot of it's a lot of stuff that
are uh it has the potential potential to enhance
or enhance sport performance well that's not
weed it represents an actual or potential health
risk to the athletes Probably not, but it depends
on who you're talking to. It violates the spirit
of the sport. Oh, no way. So just based on those
three, I think it's probably safe. There you
go. I think the only athlete that I know of that
weed has ever helped enhance their performance
was probably Big Smooth, Sam Perkins. Although
I've heard from friends of his that he doesn't
actually smoke weed. But I would be shocked because
I've been at a Sonics game where Sam Perkins
was missing every three and he was all like fidgety.
And then he came out in the second half and his
eyes were shut and he just had the slowest shot
ever. And it would just go in. Oh, that's pretty
smooth. Makes you wonder. Yeah, yeah. I mean,
Ricky Williams. of the university of texas who
went on to play for miami uh he gave up his football
career for weed essentially i mean it was not
exactly like that he used it for medical reasons
or anxiety and things like that but uh in the
end he couldn't stop smoking it long enough to
stay in the league uh although marshall and this
is the funny part that's probably healthier than
marshall taking shots before he would go out
and play every game So Marshawn knew he was going
to go get his body smashed. He had to, he had
to get a little, little lit to get out there.
So. So my follow -up question for Noah, Ohio,
then is this seems pretty similar to where we
were last year with a, a, a deal to bring a player
in and then to the player. And now if Noah decides
like, Hey, I don't want to come. Do we talk about
Bragg's deal and convincing these players to
come here once the deal is done? I mean, I've
got to assume he's not the only player on their
list, right? They're never going after just one
player. That's just the one we know about. Yeah.
Yeah, and you got to hope that, like, because
I think that's kind of what happened last year
when nothing happened was it's like, oh, they
had a few targets, but, you know, everything
fell through, right? I mean, it's got to be tricky
if you're pursuing your main target, you know,
putting all your intention into one avenue and
then maybe that fizzles out and then you missed
your window on something that was also attainable,
but now, you know, the ship has sailed. It's
got to be. a really stressful time in the front
office. Speaking of stressful, cannabinoids are
banned under the World Doping Agency's list.
So I wonder if they really do enforce it as much
as they say. There goes my soccer career. Yeah.
No, I mean, you have to convince them that they
want to come here, right? I think the Seattle
is the easy sell. It's the ego that is the hard
sell. Last summer, we were trying to get two
different players on loan, not trying to get
both, but one or the other, from what I recall
Craig saying publicly. And we just couldn't convince
them that they wanted to come to the United States
and end their career in Europe. Because in some
places, there's still the perception that this
is the retirement league. If you're coming here,
you're giving up. But there's other players that
know, especially... if you're from south america
this is that step to the next level especially
with a team like seattle where if you can come
in and shine and turn into raul uh man the door
is the door is open for you yeah the shock the
shotgun cedar's faces he's contemplating that
absolutely and i mean look he's he's in he's
uh Utrecht in the Eredivisie right now. And how
are they doing? Let's see how they're doing.
I don't, I mean, they're, they're probably, it's
probably, they're probably second or third. I
mean, they're probably right behind, uh, uh,
Ajax is normally. Okay. So they were, they ended
up being fourth. Oh, you know, which is, which
is, you know, PSV Eindhoven was one, Ajax two,
Firenorn, and then they were fourth. Okay. Okay.
In seventh was a team called Go Ahead Eagles.
I like that. I like the whole phrase as your
team name. That's interesting. Their Europa League
match was against Sheriff, which is... Are they...
Ukraine? No, Moldova. Moldovan team. I guess
Ukraine probably doesn't have a league right
now, if I would have had to guess, since they
are still at war. But they played Sheriff and
they won three to one. And that was the match
where no Ohio subbed in and only got, was it
11 minutes, 10 minutes? So it'll be interesting
to see. That's his only, I think this is only
match of the year because they're in preseason.
Maybe he doesn't want to come to the United States
because the leading goal scorer on his team,
and he's a forward, but the leading goal scorer
is American Paxton Aronson, who's 21. He's 5
'6", and 139 pounds. That is a little man. He's
a tiny man, and that team's leading goal scorer.
maybe knows like no no no i can't i can't go
to america i gotta stay in europe because that's
eventually where i want to end up but who knows
i i if he wants to come here then i want him
to come here if he doesn't want to come here
then you know i don't want him he just doesn't
know right plus think about it he will be he
has a state named after him he can he can go
to cincinnati or or uh Is there another Columbus
and will be a legend after he's done winning
us several championships? Well, clearly we need
to have an MLS Cup against either Cincinnati
or Columbus and have him score the game -winning
goal so that he truly owns Ohio. I can't live
through another final versus Columbus, that 2021.
Cincinnati, give us Cincinnati. Yeah, that would
be a tough game, though. I would worry about
that. It would be tough. They're both really
good. Yeah, but I hope something happens. I hope
all our eggs are not in this one basket, that
we have other U -22s in mind if this doesn't
work out. But I also think if we do, perhaps
it's not. another player. It'll be similar where
they're not going to impact us this season. It's
more for down the road. Same as Leo Chu, right?
Leo Chu was not a player that was meant to come
in and impact us immediately. And sadly, he didn't
really impact us at all. He had some great games,
but was never consistently, never came in and
consistently got that starting job. Even though
he's off to Portugal now. Yeah. That's a good
question. Did we, did we retain any because we
traded him? Yes, we retained a lot. So he plays
for Alverca. I don't speak Portuguese, so I don't
know if there's a thing there, but he got sent
over to FC Alverca. Complexo Deportivo FC Alverca
is their stadium in Alverca do Ribatejo in Portugal.
He is, last year they were in League 2, and they
got second, and they were promoted to League
1. So they brought him over from Dallas. Interesting.
Nice. Add some cash to Splash, huh? Yeah, and
that's good. I mean, he wasn't really playing
much. Oh, Vinicius Jr. is owner of that team.
Oh, interesting. He and his partners own 70 %
to 80 % of shares for only $10 million. Guys,
let's put together a business plan and buy Scuttlebutt
Ultra's team in Europe somewhere. I feel like
we could put a plan together and get $10 million
in investment money. Yeah, barely an inconvenience.
I mean, we can sell it as the next Wrexham. where
okay where if if you could like anywhere in europe
where would you want to own a club or be a part
owner so that you could have a really good excuse
to just be there all the time like what's like
the best area for each of you guys i mean having
lived in paris i'd want to do paris but they
already have two first flight teams now with
paris fc the red bulls team uh they're in the
red bulls family Red Bull, excuse me. Now they're
playing right next to Parc de France. So they
have like two stadiums right next to each other.
That's awesome. But gosh, that would be fun to
have a third team come through in Paris. In fact,
maybe they're wanting it because they're like,
yeah, we don't care about first division soccer.
We want those underdog, you know, because let
me tell you, as someone who works for a minor
league basketball team. You get way more access
to the players as a fan. You're there. It's more
fun. You feel like you know the players. Anyone
who's a Home of Defiance fan knows what it's
like. I think somewhere in France, maybe Western
France. Let's do like Britannia area because
then you can easily get across into England and
Ireland and stuff like that. Or straight to Ireland
where they only get... two or three thousand
fans a game unless you're shamrock rovers but
i feel like you could build a fan base in a city
that maybe has never had a huge fan base and
and run yeah that would be fun i've never been
to ireland but i have not either i which is insane
considering i'm 83 irish but You got to go. You're
going to find your way. My relative is one of
the most famous Irishmen of all time, Michael
Collins. So I should be there. But my family
fled during the potato genocide, potato famine.
What about you, Dan? What country are you moving
to? Where are we taking your family and uprooting
them across the world? I would love to go to
the UK. I had an assignment to the UK. When I
was in the military and it got turned off and
I am still six years after that bitter. I'll
tell you about it after, after the cameras are
off, but it pissed me off and it'll probably
piss you off too. Well, you might not be a Sounders
fan if you had gone there. You know, this is
where we were always going to come back and retire.
So yeah, maybe we'll, you know, see. If they
could buy or get into a club, I think 4th Green
Rovers would be the one that I would want to
get into. Yeah, that's my club. I love their
values and it just seems like a cool club. They're
not great at soccer, but that's okay. They had
that run. They got up to League 1 and then got
relegated to League 2 and then got relegated
down to the National League and almost made it
out of the National League. I do have a closet
full of Forest Green Rovers jerseys. Their new
kits are pretty wild. If you haven't seen them,
cheetah print. I'm not a huge fan of them, but
I think it's a cool club. It's a cool business
model. And hopefully they make it back and start
playing good soccer one day. Yeah, they unfortunately
went the opposite direction of Wrexham. That
was tough. I was very excited. And I think that's
a fan base. It would be really... fun and easy
to get involved with. I've been just rooting
for them from here, which originally it was because
I liked their jerseys on FIFA. And then I found
out about the club and what they stood for and
all that kind of stuff. And the only actually
carbon neutral team, they don't buy, they don't
do the cap and trade stuff. They actually plant
trees around their stadium. of course a vegan
team uh i i am in big support of them so uh their
their fans have you know reached out to me on
uh twitter and welcomed me to to rooting for
the team too so i think they're a very much a
uh at least the younger fans are very much everyone
welcome the older fans are like let's stop this
vegan and get back to playing games because uh
that's what happens when we get old uh that's
that's how i feel about young people music these
days Just the words, young people music. I mean,
let me tell you. Gosh, we're probably going to
get canceled for this. Chapel Roan is not very
good. I'm neutral, honestly. She has the same
songwriter as Olivia Rodrigo, who wrote one of
the best rock albums of the last decade on her
Guts album. And, God, they seem cool to sing
along to in a crowd, but as songs, boring as
fuck. Don't like them. Don't like them. My little
girl has really gotten into Olivia Rodrigo, and
every single song is about breaking up with a
guy and wanting the guy back. Every single song.
I mean, they're catchy, they're fun, but, yeah,
a little bit of... It's a little much. It's a
little much. I was going to go see Olivia Rodrigo
and I'm glad I didn't because I saw a video of
it later. And it basically is a bunch of 10 and
12 year olds screaming along the lyrics about
having broken hearts, things they don't understand,
but having no concert etiquette. So they're not
singing along. They're screaming atonelessly
these lyrics and just ruining it for the people
around them that had to pay $150 for those tickets.
Oh man. I don't have opinions. Go for it. Speaking
of young kids, I went and saw Bad Religion this
last week. And not young. It is the funniest
thing. Those guys out there rocking out. They
were awesome. Outstanding. I saw them in Job
King Murphy's. And it was a fabulous time. But
it was just kind of shocking just how old they
look up on stage while they're just still giving
it their all. A lot of fun. i mean it's funny
last time i saw it's been a while it's a bad
religion the first time i saw them was probably
26 years ago or something like that it's very
funny to think about i actually had tickets to
see of all bands i didn't i didn't go since i've
been a little under the weather up in bellingham
yesterday i was supposed to see face to face
gutter mouth uh teenage bottle rocket and strung
out So other, I mean, I guess teenage bottle
rocket are older too, because they're, they're
like my age, but they're not, they're not that
10, 15, 20 years older, like those other bands.
And so these punk bands are trying to cash in
the way no effects did before, before they disappeared.
But man, what I wouldn't have given the see face
to face play disconnected live. This year I got
to see, I saw a black flag earlier in the year
and it's just great again. And you know, whoever
he's touring with, but. that's the good one though
right there's the two there's flag and then there's
black flag and the great oh yeah yeah well i
mean who you will have totally totally i mean
he founded the band but like i mean what i wouldn't
give to like get to see have a time machine and
go back and see them with henry rollins right
yeah that would be phenomenal and then i also
saw um a couple of months ago i saw a gang of
four Oh, yeah. That's their last tour ever. They
came through Seattle and I wanted to go and I
just couldn't justify the money for the ticket.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's so expensive now
these days. All concerts. Every show. I mean,
that's the thing is where you live, where we
live, Bay Area, Pacific Northwest, endless good
concerts. And then I just bought tickets to see
Savannah Bananas. So it was like... Oh, nice.
Oh, that'll be cool. Yeah, they're coming through.
Are they playing in Seattle? Yeah, T -Mobile
Park. Awesome. So I won the lottery to buy tickets.
But by the time my window opened, I'm like way
at the top 300 level. But hey, I'll get to go.
Yeah, that's pretty sweet. I'm not as excited
as I was when I put in for the lottery just because
I'm kind of over them. But I bet you it'll be
really fun in person. It's just eventually it's
like, yeah, I get it. Yeah, it should be with
your own two eyes. I mean, that'll be that'll
be something that's like, that's cool. You know,
you know what else is like seeing people on stilts
throw balls that are in fire during a baseball
game was seeing Oba and Dempsey together. When
are we going to get a forward that can score
like that? No, Ohio, come on over. Come be our
man. Yes, sir. De La Vega has had two games in
a row with some pretty sick goals. Yeah. How
are you feeling about him right now? I mean,
I know we're all De La Vega fans. Cedar, was
it you or Dan, was it you? One of you, maybe
both, specifically called for him to play on
the left. If it was me, I would just care for
the other people. I'm not smart enough to be
like, oh, yeah, the left is going to fix them.
I am a fan of the inverted winger. And on the
left, he stays out wide. But then once he gets
the ball, he's cutting in. And we haven't seen
any other player, not even Kent, do that. And
he's able to come back around. And just the way
he can get around and back to the top of the
box really opens up the ability for other players
to crash into the box or for him to take that
long shot. And it's something different than
the prime assist, get to the end line, shoot
it back to a crowded box. Right now it seems
to be working, so hopefully he keeps doing it.
I wish that Morris was there and we had maybe
a little bit more athletic nine than we currently
have with Moose that can get down the field with
De La Vega. De La Vega's sneaky fast. I didn't
realize how fast he was, but he's got some sneaky
speed. But yeah, let's keep playing him. Let's
keep rocking. Paul Rothrock's amazing, but I
don't know how you don't. have peter out there
every game yeah you you're you paid the transfer
fee to play him you got to play him to find out
what you really have with them lamb i'm into
it i'm into it well and we i mean we need to
you know morris is out right we have no idea
if no ohio is gonna come or not or if we're gonna
get a new striker right we need we need our our
big money man Who's still, who's still standing
to earn it and, you know, keep putting the team
on his back. So at this point, you know, it's
all in, right. And he's just so nice and likable.
I just, the fact that he came up at the rave
gala and talked to us and then came back to say
hi. And I don't know, it just. he didn't need
to do that he went out of his way and so did
rothrock went out of his way not only come over
and talk to us to like ask how we were doing
and ask questions and uh you know learn about
us so it was uh like that it seems like we we'd
go more for a certain quality of human being
not just a quality yeah there's there's not a
play on this team you don't want to root for
yeah yeah absolutely so how are we feeling then
going into the the Leagues Cup, we getting through?
We making it to that next round of matches? I
guess at that point there's eight teams left,
so it would be the quarterfinals. Just giving
it a go, no go. I say we don't get out of the
group, but we get some younger players some time.
Our double pit of it gets the rest up, and then
we come out and we continue with no losing streak
after Leagues Cup. Cedar. I bet you we get out
of the group. I don't know. I just have that
feeling like, yeah, let's get out of the group.
I think, look, we want to get back to CONCACAF
Champions Cup, right? And this is one of the
chances that we have at that this year. So let's
do it. I think, I mean, it's silly to talk about
like, oh, are they taking this? seriously or
not or like based on the lineup and the rotation
but I think it I think it might you know end
up killing two birds with one stone we get some
rotation some guys get some well -deserved rest
some other guys get some good minutes and we
also you know play well I bet you there are multiple
combinations of this team that we haven't seen
yet that work well together and so I'm excited
to see how those might proliferate throughout
this competition. Yeah. I'm excited for Cruz
Azul again, just cause I feel like they kind
of derailed our season earlier and I really want
another go with them. So I, I really excited
about that. How can I get to the stadium to see
Cruz Azul? Well, that game, I mean, you can still
find tickets, but unfortunately the, the tickets
you could have gotten through Mamos Sounders
are gone. But if you join the Vamos Sounders
Club, they are giving two tickets away free to
any of the League's Cup matches. That one, according
to Nicholas, is no longer available, but you
can still get them to Tijuana or Santos Laguna.
And we're talking good seats, like right behind
ECS, 121 row. I think D, double D is the one
I got. It's right behind ECS, and ECS is general
sitting, general admission. Can't you just walk
down to ECS and have a party? That's between
you and the ushers. Obviously, last match, we
were both down there, and I think you had tickets
down there. I did not. I had a single ticket
in a different section because usually I go with
my dad and we sit in the club section, but he
didn't come to the game. I will be in my regular
seats for those matches most likely. But yeah,
I mean, if you join the Spanish -speaking club,
Vamos Sounders, you can get tickets, two tickets,
and then I think it's $15 for additional tickets.
So you can bring your whole family. Let's say
you have two kids. You can bring your whole family
for $30, which is pretty great. And you also,
I believe, they're giving away trucker hats to
people who sign up for those so you can go pick
up. I'm not a trucker hat person, but some people
are, and good for them. As you can see, obviously
the listener can't, but behind me I have enough
crap, not counting my guitar, but all the sports
stuff I have on the other side over there. There's
even a Russell Wilson, a Zach Scott bobblehead,
a Macklemore Mariners bobblehead, a Bernie Sanders
bobblehead, Baby Yoda, Mariners moose. uh so
i have enough stuff i don't need a uh trucker
hat but perhaps i will get it and give it to
someone who would appreciate it more excellent
i just uh i just got back on duolingo the other
day mostly for spanish yeah it's been a blast
not even for the vama sounders club but um yeah
what a what a perk you know i got back on it
because somebody sent me a friend request Yeah,
it made the bird mad, so it got into my phone,
and now I'm back on it. It offered me. It said,
hey, Dan's available to do this. I did look that
said you had a zero -day streak, though. I hadn't
had it in like five, six years, so I'm now on
three -day streak, so thanks. Nice, nice. Yeah,
I was doing Spanish for a while when I was dating
someone that was born in Mexico. I've moved back
to, I was gonna say my native language, but that
is English. My language that I have a degree
in, which is French. So I've been learning French
again to make sure I can get updated because
I realized at some point that because I started
taking French in the 80s, some of my colloquialisms
are probably based off of books that were written
in the 50s. And so I'm out there being like,
oh, rats. holy gosh gee what should we do that's
funny yeah that's one of my favorites it's so
good that's so fun to say yeah absolutely well
i think that's a good point to leave it i realize
that i haven't uh eaten today so i'm gonna go
eat some food Going to go hit up Duke's Chowder
House. Chowder, say it right, Frenchie. And one
of Seattle's finest chowder locations. They do
have a vegan soup there that is delicious. But
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It all just kind of depends on how we're feeling
about the Sounders that day and what dumb shit
new who's been up to. I've only ever had to ban
one person. So it always works out. Say that
again? And it wasn't me. I didn't get the ban
hammer. No, no. You've got to do something a
lot worse than just be upset that the Sounders
aren't playing well. That's almost like a requirement.
I mean, come on. You are welcome into the Seattle
sports community, Dan. You know what it's like
to have defeat snatched from the jaws of victory
on a regular basis to not win that championship.
You know what that ultimate discipline, you let
your heart sing for a few moments because you
say this could be the year. And then they just
let you down. You know that feeling. You are
one of us. One of us. One of us. Good enough
to keep coming back. Hey, next year, they're
going to run it at the two -yard line. I have
faith. Yeah, I mean, the NFL starts this week.
I'm excited for the Seahawks. Maybe we'll have
to convert you into a Seahawks fan. tried i've
tried to just not watch and every year i i go
back and do it yeah it's like a drug but you
could have a second team and uh i do have season
tickets to the seahawks so you know maybe we'll
have to get you just to watch the seahawks so
we'll you know bill wants to be a seattle fan
all the way so yeah give me him we'll go see
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Well, we usually record on Sundays, but next
Sunday. No, yeah, there's a match. So it won't
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Alexa, who's the best MLS team of all time? The
Seattle Sounders are both unequipped and they're
arguably the best MLS team of all time.