It's time for Scuttlebutt Ultras. Quick takes
from our Patreon Ultras, sharing their soundest
thoughts straight from the heart. Your voice,
your moment. Hello and welcome to another episode
of Scuttlebutt Ultras. I am one of your hosts,
Cameron Collins, and I am here. It's Peter and
Alex. What is up, you two? Yo, yo. What's going
on, guys? Big, big week in Sounders land. Good
game. Bad injury news. Good injury news. Lots
of stuff. How we feeling? Better than after the
Rapids game last week. Yeah, I can. I agree with
you on that, Cedar. We're very content at the
moment. I'll be honest. I don't even remember
the Rapids game at this point because so much
has happened since then. Did we win the Rapids
game? No, we didn't. We blew a 3 -0 lead. That's
right. For the first time in our history at Lumen,
yeah. Yeah, good times. It was great. So is there
any news from around the league we want to hit
on? MLS All -Star Game, I know you both were
kind of talking about it. Messi didn't play,
Jordi Alba didn't play. We don't know yet if
there'll be any punishment for them not playing.
I think some of the arguments people have been
making anti -Messi about it are disingenuous.
They compared the minutes Hany Mukhtar has played
to Messi, but I think Messi's twice his age,
so I don't know if that is really the same thing.
But did you watch the match? What did you think
of it? Is there anything to take away from the
fact that the MLS All -Stars beat Liga MX? I
watched a little bit of the end of it, but I
watched the highlights. So I really don't know
much about what happened. But I think as far
as MLS beating Liga MX is that they're barely
starting their season. And we're already halfway
through our season. So most of the MLS players
are already in game routine, game form, whereas
the League of MX players are still trying to
get fitness. So for them, it was more of a preseason
tour where they just got to play a game, sign
autographs, and take photos. Yeah, I ended up,
I was working for the All -Star game, so I just
watched the highlights. I was, I was sick on
Tuesday, so I stayed home from work and I ended
up watching a lot of the all -star skills challenge.
And it was, you know, it was, it was mildly entertaining.
It was, it was, uh, it was something to watch.
Um, it was, it was cool, but, um, yeah, I, I
guess the takeaway from maybe messy and Geordie
album not joining is, I mean, I don't. I don't
really care because, again, it's just all -stars.
I mean, we see this in other sports, right? Guys
who should make the Pro Bowl, who should make
the all -star game, end up not making it. And
I guess it sounds like they opted out of playing,
and so maybe the league obviously is mad at that.
But as somebody who doesn't really care about
that, I just... I don't care, but I wouldn't
be surprised if the league does punish them for
that somehow. I mean, you're supposed to be suspended
if you don't play. Anyone who isn't them would
be suspended. So the question is, will they be?
Garber says they're working on it, whatever that
is. They're going to slap on the wrist. They're
not going to get suspended. Yeah, I've seen a
video and it's just like, they're going to get
a pass this time. So don't be surprised when...
They don't get suspended for a match or get a
fine. Fine is fine, I think, but they got to
do something. I think the messy hatred has gotten
a little out of control. I mean, people criticize
him for things that he has no control over and
don't give him credit for things that he can
control. So it seems like if you can't beat him...
Just shit on them is where they're at right now.
I think they're just mad that he didn't go to
their team. Yeah. Whereas I'm just mad that our
team doesn't have that kind of ambition. We don't
got the money. I don't know if signing him is
the best move, but that's a little bit of higher
level signing than I think would be worth it
monetarily because they're going to be screwed
once their tickets are still that high and he's
gone. Yeah. You know, I would take any forward
at this point. They'll have Rodrigo the Paul.
He'll sell tickets. No, he won't. No Americans
heard of him. Hey, hey now. He's not getting
people to come in and, you know, people aren't
going to try and watch him, basically. He's not
that kind of player. Well, you know what MLS
needs to do? They need to bring in... the best
soccer player in the world, according to the
ESPYs, Christian Pulisic. I mean, he's the best
American soccer player. He'll take a lot of rest
days. Load management. Yeah, he's made of glass.
He was at Chelsea. He missed everything. Did
he still win the Champions League? I don't think
so. It's been a while since we've won a Champions
League. And with Chelsea, I mean, they have so
many players on their roster, right? I mean,
don't like 40 people win a trophy whenever they
win a trophy? They need a double -decker bus.
More than that. Two of them. Yeah, I mean, last
year they were sending people away just because
there was too many people and they couldn't have
them all at training. It seems like maybe they
figured it out a little bit. Yeah, I don't get
the messy hate either. Honestly, I want to beat
him. I'm glad he's in the league. I'm waiting
for the Sanders to get to play inter -Miami so
that we can actually get a chance at beating
the guy. We play at Miami this year, don't we?
I think we do. they gave away at the rave gala
this past weekend they gave away a trip to miami
on september 16th uh we played down there which
is a weirdly enough it's a tuesday huh which
is bizarre and we hosted the galaxy three days
before that uh i wonder if there's a two -week
break before that that probably has to do with
League's Cup in some fashion. I don't know. Is
the League's Cup final like the end of August?
Let me check. I checked how much players are
on the senior roster for Chelsea. It's 43 currently.
Yeah, but they have less than they had last year
for sure. But yeah, the League's Cup final falls
on the 31st. Last year was August 25th. Is it
31st this year? Yeah, August 31st is scheduled.
Yeah. So right now the Sounders have a game scheduled
August 30th at home versus rail Salt Lake. So
that might need to be rescheduled if we decide
to actually show up for the tournament. I hope
so. I'm maybe, I don't know. I think we have
played outside of the champions league where
we did the run in one. So maybe this isn't fair
in all of the playoff finals and all the big
games we'll say. So MLS cup finals. We've showed
up for a total of one half. Didn't show up for
MLS Cup 2016. Didn't show up for MLS Cup 2017.
We had one half in MLS Cup 2019 that was good.
Didn't show up for MLS Cup 2020. Didn't show
up for that first Leafs Cup final. We don't show
up in big games. So maybe Club World Cup was
a change for that. But the Sounders are not known,
despite having two championships, I think we've
won them in spite of ourselves because of penalties.
Do you think that the reason we don't show up
to the games is on the players or the coaches?
What do you think is more so the reason for that?
I think there is a strong movement by our coaches
that prevent... They don't play the hot hand.
They play their favorites. And I think when Gonzo
was here, he was able to convince them to play
the hot hand. And that's why we saw success and
actually won in 2019. He was gone in 2020 already.
He had already gone out to Alaska to be interviewed
for the Atlanta job and then got COVID and wasn't
there for the final. And so we didn't go with
our hot players. We went with... Schmetzer's
favorite players and then got absolutely smoked.
Didn't help that Niko was hurt. Didn't help that
Jovan Jones was hurt and didn't help that rookie.
I think he was rookie, maybe second year. Alex
rolled on, was left on an Island and got no help.
I don't blame him for that, but yeah, I mean,
I think there's lots of, and Caleb Porter just
has always had our number for whatever reason.
Well, Morris showed up that day, Aiden Morris.
unfortunately but yeah i mean what i remember
all i remember from that game is aiden morris
and i hate it uh and aiden morris i feel like
because we're not a fan of his team he's felt
like a flash in the pan he was supposed to be
the next big usa player and uh he hasn't developed
in that but i don't know how much is him Not
developing in that versus not just having the
opportunities because he was in the MLS at the
time. I think he's moved on now, right? Is he
in Europe somewhere? I think he might be, or
at least he was linked to somewhere. So yeah,
he's in the championship for Middlesbrough. Oh
no, it looks like he might be in, oh no, the
preseason trip to Portugal. So yeah, he plays
for Middlesbrough, which is good for him. Only
23, plenty of time to make an impact. Definitely
a cool player to watch. Not the highest valued
player at the moment, but continues to grow.
So he has nine appearances for USA. Sounds about
right. Also four for the U23s, which he debuted
at in October, which was after he was already
playing for the USA. so october 2023 so that's
pretty interesting that he he played for the
usa and then went back down to play for the u23s
they're like we could use you yeah he scored
a goal for them so i'm sure he's uh i think i
think spain's done that with some of their players
yeah spain has so many good players that they
definitely have the ability to to do that um
interestingly His debut, I know this is way off
topic, but we're going to bring it back. Aiden
Morris' debut for the U23s took place in a match
where Obed Vargas scored a goal for the USA.
The one and only. That's painful. That is painful.
What was the tournament? What was the competition?
It doesn't say. It doesn't say. It was against
Mexico. 2 -1 victory for the USA with Obed scoring
the game -winning shot in the 90th minute and
then Mexico got their sole goal in the 93rd minute.
Taylor Booth missed a penalty for the US. It
was saved. I don't know what the tournament was,
but it definitely was against Mexico. Wait, you
said that game took place October 12th? October
11th, 2020. Oh, it was just a friendly. That's
what AI is saying. Yep. At Phoenix Rising Soccer
Stadium. 41st match day of the year for U23s,
I guess. 41st week of the year. I don't know
which, but that brings us back to Obed Vargas,
who did get in roughly 30 minutes just under,
I think, in the MLS All -Star game. Much deserving
of being there. I don't think he was my highest
sounder in the list for being there, but pretty
cool to see him get some minutes. Absolutely.
I feel like out of everybody on our team, whether
or not you could make an argument that, Somebody
else, maybe like an Albert Rusnak, should have
been more deserving of being an All -Star. I
think that for somebody like Obed, he's going
to gain a lot out of getting to be an All -Star,
getting to play against Liga Mechis. He's still
so young. It's got to be a really, really cool
experience for him. I'm glad he got to go. Yeah,
and being able to train with all of the... all
-stars from other teams around the league. I
think, especially him being such a young player,
the best thing he could do is be a sponge and
just soak up everything that everyone else is
doing so he could perform at the top level and
make the jump to Europe. Yeah, I think they were
expecting him to be phenomenal in the Club World
Cup. And he was pretty poor leading up to the
Club World Cup. And he was fine in the Club World
Cup, but he hasn't been playing to the level
they hoped that he would so that they could showcase
him in that tournament. So this is another chance
for them to be showcased. No, I think, yeah,
I think it's, no, it's like bringing all this
attention to him. It's like, okay, now the people
are going to start to watch now. So like all
eyes on me type of thing. What do you guys think
that Obed's realistic ceiling is in terms of
playing in Europe? What kind of league do you
think would be kind of perfect for him? One where
he would excel? You mean in -game or next steps?
I guess both. You know, like what, like what,
what's the, what's the true potential there?
Like, what do you, like his highest potential?
Yeah. Yeah. Like what's your read on like where
it might, if everything goes well, right? No,
no big injuries, you know, and he, he does realize
his potential. What could that be? What could
that look like? I think for me, it's, it comes
down to either Portugal or Spain. I can see him.
Like, the way that if Diego Simeone is still
the coach in the next five years, I can see him,
if he continues to improve, I can see him being
a midfielder that would play in an Atletico Madrid
midfield. Just like a box -to -box, does the
work at the defensive end, does help on the offensive
end. Kind of similar to the role that Rodrigo
Depaul did when he was there. That's kind of
like... the role that i can see your bit taking
yeah i think i think it you know his move to
mexico completely changes that path right like
you we have a a lot of mexican players in the
premier league uh in uh just across different
uh league spain you know What's the Portuguese
league name now? Whatever, N03 or whatever. Yeah,
but it's got the tag in front of it. But if he'd
still been with the USA, I think Germany would
have been where they would have sent him because
that seems to be where our players tend to go.
And I don't know why, if that's cultural, but
we've always had that link with Germany and it's
been a place a lot of our players have gone.
I think his playing style probably fits. ultimately
best in, I would say England, but I don't think
he's going straight there. I think unless you're
sending him over to one of the bigger mid -high
level leagues, so not Spain, not England, not
Germany, but one of the other leagues, I don't
think he goes, right? They're not just going
to sell him to Belgium. If he's going to go,
he's going to go play for a big team. What about
a Netherlands? If I'm him, I'm not. You're going
to get more looks here than you are there, just
based on media. You get Champions League, though,
if you go to an Ajax or a Feyenoord. If you're
going to Ajax, sure. I just don't think that
he's going to a top team in a league. He's more
likely to go to a... low -level Premier League
team or a high -level championship team before
he's going to be able to go to an Ajax or a Fenerbahce
or a team like that. What's the other team in
Turkey that's huge? Galatasaray? Galatasaray,
yeah. I feel like a move to Portugal isn't unrealistic.
No, I think that's realistic. I don't know if
it's too Porto or one of the top two, but I think
he could gain a lot of benefit from being there.
The question is, how's his Portuguese, right?
Just because you speak Spanish doesn't mean you
speak Portuguese. They seem pretty different.
I mean, you can understand a bit, but it's like
if you took... spanish and put german in there
he needs to get on duolingo and start practicing
yeah same with like still if you go to spain
they don't know how to speak spanish in spain
they have they have a list like how would you
take this beautiful romance language and ruin
it by adding a lisp well and then like let's
say you're in um uh you know if he ended up like
at barcelona or something he'd have to learn
catalonia But would they even be able to register
him? They can't register him. I don't think they
can register Rashford. I think I would see him
more likely to go... He's not at that level,
right? He has to gain. He has to double or triple
his value. Even for a Nottingham Forest or a
team like that. They're not getting players of
his caliber. They're getting players double his
caliber. So he's far more likely to go to a championship
team right now than any other team, unless he
has a spurt and productivity that shows that
he's, if he's Aussie level good, suddenly other
teams start looking at him at his age. But right
now he's not showing anything to me that shows
me that he's going to be anywhere near a top
team, unless he's in their youth Academy. And
I don't think that's a good move for him. He
needs to go to a team where he can, show up,
boss out, and then move up. Where did Patrick
Ajiman go to Derby County? Or was it... Patrick
Ajiman? I think he left Charlotte. Did he go
to the championship or League 1? He plays...
Yeah, he went to the championship for Derby County.
See, so then... And I don't necessarily... And
they're a team that's at the top of the championship.
So, I mean, you could see him... That's what
I think. I could see him signing for a top championship
team. Like a Norwich. Because if Norwich is doing
all right, I mean, they're up and down, but I
think they've been struggling a little bit lately.
They have some good players right now in that
position, I think. You know, Lester is always
a good team. Brian. Somebody, someone that you
could see them do well. QPR hasn't really been
lately, I don't think. You know, maybe he just
needs to get in with that Wrexham crowd and be
on TV. I mean, why not? American owners. I know.
Need to get on their radar. Somebody call up.
Ryan Reynolds. Ryan Reynolds is Canadian, but
yeah. Rob Mack now. He changed his name. We'll
just get on Mint Mobile if they're still doing
that. Yeah. No, I think if Obed really wants
to make the jump, we have to see almost like
an MVP -like season from him, which I don't think
he's at that level yet. I think so. I think he
can make it to the championship fine where he's
at right now. I just think it won't be one of
those top, the teams that are going into the
Premier League. next year right like uh because
i don't like rexham is not people who think they
are they're not that unless they get a huge chunk
of investment that lets them make a bunch of
uh winter signings i can't imagine that they
are going i mean it takes years and years right
they've just been uh very lucky and got the right
amount of investment but each level there's more
and more investment that has to go through so
I, yeah, I just, but a team could sign him based
on his, you know, maybe a Swansea who we already
have a relationship with where he could go over
and play and help them, you know, QPR middle
of the table team. So someone like that Darby
County is, you know, bottom. Six, seven teams,
either 19th in the table. So, yeah, you can see
them going to a team like that where he could
help, but isn't going to be in the Premier League
next year because I can't see them bringing him
along unless he's sitting on the bench yet. But
yes, MVP caliber team or play play is what we
need. That would be nice. Why don't we take a
quick break here? And then come back and talk
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And we're back. What were you just saying about
Kezar? Yeah, so Kezar Stadium in Golden Gate
Park where I live in old San Francisco. Apparently
they are getting they are getting like they got
the okay to I'm looking at the article right
now. The deal grants golden city football club,
an initial 15 year permit to use the stadium
and secures a $10 million commitment for upgrades.
Um, and they will be an MLS next pro team. Um,
so that'll be cool. I would love to get to see,
you know, the Tacoma defiance come down and play,
you know, um, I, I, and it would be a way easier
for me to get to keys are then. And driving all
the way down to San Jose for Earthquake Sounders
games. Or over to Sacramento. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I guess we don't play Sacramento that often,
but I feel like it's every other year we're playing
them in the U .S. Open Cup. Although, of course,
that doesn't really happen with the Sounders
anymore. If I can just hop on, you know, a bus
and then a Muni train over to Kezar, I'm a happy
camper. So, yeah, that would be cool. 10 ,000
capacity, man. Kezar, home of one of the historic
U .S. Open Cup Sounders matches between Seattle
and San Jose were post -game. This was like,
there was a fan who live streamed the game on
Twitter and there was no TV, so that's how we
all watched it, was a live stream through Twitter.
And post -game, Eddie Johnson punched a San Jose
player in the face. So one of the most iconic...
Sounders matches ever took place in Kizar. We
have to find that footage. Yeah, I want to watch
it. That's sick. Hopefully he's still on Twitter.
I don't think people understand the history of
Kizar. It's amazing. It's been there. The 49ers
played there from 1946 to 1970. The Raiders played
there in 1960. Before that, Santa Clara football
was there in 1935 and 1952. St. Mary's played
there in 1927 and 1950, which those are two,
they were the biggest rivals of each other at
the time. San Francisco football, USF played
there in 1930 to 51 and 59 to 71. There was another
pro team, football team that played there in
67. San Francisco Bay Seals played there in 98
-99. Wow. The Major League Lacrosse team, San
Francisco Dragons played there in 06 -07. USL1
team, California Victory played there. San Francisco
Stompers of NPSL played there. Dogfish, Breeze,
Deltas, and the San Francisco City FC play there.
So there is a large soccer and football, American
football history in that stadium. What I always
find so fascinating is back in the day before
they basically downsized it, because it used
to be like 60 ,000, 70 ,000 capacity when the
Niners were playing there and stuff. You have
this giant stadium for an NFL team in just a
sleepy little neighborhood in San Francisco.
Just right down below. this i mean before the
60s so it was before it became like hippie central
no totally and and yeah just right in golden
gate park there and you know people complain
about parking in the city nowadays but i was
just reading about the history of gizarre and
everything people were complaining about parking
back then you know because it was just like it
was impossible um but yeah really cool that you
know that's where The Niners were because I don't
know. I think it's kind of cool. That's crazy.
I mean, that's not that long ago. No, it isn't.
And I think it's pretty important for a team
to play within the city limits of the name that
they bear, which the current Niners do not do.
The Santa Clara 49ers. Yeah, exactly. And so,
yeah, I just love that history. And then also
it's it's. It's featured in Dirty Harry, which
is a great, great film. Right after the 49ers'
last game there, they started filming there,
not long after. So it's pretty funny. I was just
looking. The final game there was the 49ers lost
17 -10 to the Cowboys. Let's go. Let's go. Shout
out to Dan the Bastard. Yeah. So yeah, it's a
pretty historic stadium linked to our Sounders.
Oh, the San Francisco Gaelic football team played
there too. That was their home stadium. That's
pretty cool. Oh, do we have a domestic Gaelic
football league here? We don't. I think it's
more like clubs are set up and they will play.
each other at high like their seattle team will
play san francisco but it's not like they're
playing in real tournaments it's that they play
internally and then have a couple games a year
against other teams around the country and there's
like one tournament gotcha okay oh there was
an ultimate team there i didn't realize that
the san francisco dogfish all those golden gate
parks so you know yeah and the cricket the cricket
team that was there for a little bit uh I don't
even know. It doesn't even say what it was named.
San Francisco Freedom were there. Because San
Francisco does not have a Major League Cricket
team, I do not believe. Have you heard about
that? I don't think I've seen one. I know we
have the Seattle Orcas here. Speaking of which,
where do the Orcas play? And have you guys been
to a game? They play in Dallas. So right now,
Major League Cricket plays one tournament in
Dallas over a three -week period. where all the
teams come together. That makes sense. This year,
they finally started doing stuff in the community
here. I think it's anticipation of the league
eventually going out and actually playing, and
they'll play at Marymoor Park across the water.
That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited.
When they announced the team, I started paying
attention to cricket a little more and learned
some of the rules. I don't know. I don't think
Alex is much of a cricket man. That's why you
hear crickets from me. Eddie Johnson, Kezar Puncher,
yes. It was a big stadium right there near the
water. I got to imagine that land is worth a
lot, but it's on a public park, thankfully. Yeah,
well, like I said, if the Tacoma Defiance are
going to come play at Golden Gate Park, I'm going
to be there. Let's make it happen. Live streaming
on Twitter. I will do that. I will do that for
you guys. I'll bring the GoPro. Amazing. So one
thing we should mention, since usually I talk
about this on the main show because it's not
a feature of this show, but I don't think we're
going to get an episode in, was that Hulk Hogan
passed away today. A lot of people got mad at
me for shit -talking him. Dude is kind of a bad
guy. He's a legend. I have his autograph. I loved
him as a wrestler, but he spent a lot of years
doing a lot of really shitty stuff. I'm that
negative Nancy. Do you all have any positive
things to say about Hulk Hogan and the impact
he had on your lives? No. I just know he's a
wrestler. That's it. I'm not into wrestling.
I never got into it. I know it's a big deal.
I had a run when I was in high school as well
when he moved over to the other guys. WCW? See,
that's how little I know. Oh, right, right, right.
In New World Order. I had a wrestling game on
a PS3 and I played that for maybe a year or two.
The only wrestler I really knew was Roman Reigns.
Yeah. Well, you know The Rock, his cousin. Oh,
yeah. The Rock. The Uso brothers. I know a little
bit. Like the Samoans. You're like, I know this
guy. I know all of them. I know Rey Mysterio,
but that's just because I'm Mexican. The only
wrestling I know is Nacho Libre. That's all I
know. Hey, that's a good movie. It's a great
movie. Awesome movie. I watched a documentary
at some point that kind of broke down the real
-life wrestling leagues behind what Nacho Libre
is depicting. It was pretty cool. I think it
was a Vice documentary. You know what, though?
We might see Nacho Libre at the League's Cup
game against Actress Azul. Like people dressed
in Nacho Libre clothes? There might be someone
dressed as a Nacho Libre. I don't know what you
call it, but yes, I've seen people dressed in
that wrestling gear. Yeah, Luchadores. Thank
you. I have seen that before at games in Seattle
versus teams from Mexico. Are they shouting blue?
Blue. Blue. Oh, my God. And then Ozzy Osbourne
just died. Yeah. And Theo Huxtable. Those were
our three from the Cosby show. Oh, right. Malcolm
Jamal Warner. Yeah, that's right. Malcolm Jamal
Warner was not that old. Very sad passing. He
and his daughter were drowning and they tried
to save them. They saved the daughter, but they
couldn't save him. Some local surfers jumped
in the water in Costa Rica. I don't mean to sound
flippant, but with Ozzy dying, it's like, well,
that dude had a pretty... He did a lot of stuff.
Well, I'm surprised that was so soon after his
last show. I didn't watch his last show, but
I want to. I just haven't gotten around to it.
And I was very surprised. I got into Black Sabbath
when I was 12. And I guess their second record,
Paranoid, has been a huge part of my music life
since then. So it was a very sad passing. For
a lot of people, I think he's a joke because
they just know him from the Osbournes and stuff
like that. Musically, he basically helped create
the genre of metal and hard rock. 100%. Took
blues music and stepped it into the hard rock
realm. Yes. Yeah, absolute legend. Yeah. So Sounders
played Saturday at a match that Alex and I attended
in person. Cedar, were you able to watch it?
yes i was able to watch it um i was able to watch
it live too this is rare for me so that was that
was good uh how you how'd you feel about the
match as it was going on from a tv perspective
we might have a different one because we were
in the stadium i think the you know the vibe
can be different totally totally um i i thought
um i mean overall as i was watching it i was
thoroughly entertained i mean san jose We always
have these shootouts with them, which we usually
end up on the losing side of. It was nice to
come out on top. I was watching it by myself.
Nobody around. When Pedro scored that goal, I
leapt up and I shouted so loud. I was so happy.
I love that he showed up. Not only did he play
well, because we've seen him play well before.
But he was a hero. And I think, especially with,
now we know that Morris is going to be out for
pretty much the rest of the season. We need,
this team needs a hero. We don't just need people
to play well. We've got a ton of players who
play well week in, week out. We need a guy who
takes a game by the scruff of the neck and wins
it for us. And that's what Pedro did. I think
we've all been wanting to see that, and he delivered.
So it was just really great to see. Yeah, agreed.
Alex, you were in the stadium. How were you feeling
throughout this match? I was entertained for
the most part. We went down first, and then I
was like, all right, here we go. It's going to
be one of those games. And then we see Jordan
go down. And then I'm like, okay, our chances
just went down even worse. We're now winning
the Heritage Cup. And then I see Rusnak putting
a cross. Danny gets on the end of it. I'm like,
okay, we're back in this. And then in the second
half, the game completely changed. We were utilizing
Pedro on the left side of the field because Christian
Espinosa was pushing up so high. And I like that.
On Danny's second goal, Pedro wasn't selfish.
Like, he hit a beautiful ball with the outside
of his foot, served it on a platter where Danny,
all he had to do was just touch it in. Yeah.
And then his game winner, it was just, like,
I was tearing up tears of joy because I'm a big,
like, Pedro fan. Like, you know, free Pedro.
You got to let Pedro go for Pedro. Yeah. I mean,
I don't know if you remember this because you
were busy cheering, but I was standing in front
of you. And as soon as he scored, I went nuts.
And then I put two fingers directly at the Sounders
bench and went, fuck you, Schmetzer, free Pedro,
which is your phrase you've come up with. And
I, on Sunday at the Rave Gala, the Sounders charity
arm. I hung out with Pedro for a little bit and
told him all about free Pedro. And he was so
thankful and even came up and said bye to us
when, when he was leaving. So that's awesome.
Yeah. So he knows about the free Pedro movement
that we've started. Hashtag free Pedro. Sign
it, deliver it. That we should be playing every,
I also, Oh gosh, guys, a little, little side
note here, but got a picture with the rest snack
and. one of my friends who was there was saying,
oh, you're my mom's favorite player. And he said,
oh, I thought people in Seattle didn't like me.
Like completely sincere. Yeah. And I think it's
because people get on him because they don't
realize he's not there to be Clint Dempsey, right?
He's not there to score goals. He does score
goals. He's there to get assists and do other
things and run the offense. Like he's a quarterback
and they don't understand what he does. I think
Aaron, you know, our, our founder of Sounders
Scuttlebutt made a video of, of what he did in
the, uh, champions league final and how important
he was on those goals. And, uh, I said, no, man,
you're our assistant goal King. Like we love
you. So, uh, I felt so bad. It broke my heart
a little bit. Cause he was just kind of like,
yeah, you know, I didn't think people in Seattle
liked me. It's like, Russ snack. That was the
first Jersey. As soon as he signed, I got his
Jersey. Like. I think because you know how there's
some games where we just have trouble scoring.
Yeah. I think Rusnek is our scapegoat because,
you know, we don't want to get on Jordan because
he's our homegrown. We don't want to get on Rothrock.
He's our homegrown. But I think what people don't
realize until – they don't always realize what
he does until he's off the field. If you take
him off the field, it's noticeable how different
it is. When he came off in the Western Conference
Final, we absolutely lost the game once he came
off. It's not because he got hurt, but the game
completely changed. We lost control of the game
once he came off. Nobody can really do what he
does in that area at the top of the box and just
being that offensive fulcrum. he's he's pretty
uh he's he's that focal point pulling the strings
and i think too maybe the reason why he was like
oh i don't like nobody likes me in seattle it's
you know and for those people who don't realize
what he does if they're trying to compare him
to like you know oladero or a dempsey or you
know it's just he's not that kind of player what
what he brings is something uh different than
either of those guys and anybody else on the
roster really And it's very subtle. And so I
think it can get lost, especially if the team
is having down performances. That's really sad
to hear. We need to throw him an appreciation
party or something. I know. I felt so bad because
I love him. He's one of my favorite players on
the team. Absolutely. Snack time, baby. Hashtag
snack time. There you go. A free Pedro movement
for him. Hashtag snack time. No, I think a lot
of... I mean, he's not a flashy guy, I think,
so it also plays against him where when you're
not a flashy guy, you don't get a flashy reaction
from the crowd. No, and I think... True, but
he's so technically skilled. I mean, some of
the goals he scores are... I mean, only he is
scoring those goals. He is so precise. No, I
think... A lot of the hate that he gets is from
people that aren't watching the game. They're
just looking at the box score. They're watching
highlights. So they don't get to see the full
90. I mean, the guy that sits behind me who was
a soccer player criticizes him a lot. But I think
they criticize him for something that's not his
fault. Because if you want to play with him with
the style of play that we play, he's maybe not
the best player in that position to, I mean,
you're not going through him, right? You're going
through the wings. If we're playing to the center,
like we all have talked about us wanting to do
more, especially with our inability to hit the
second runner, like we used to do when we could
hit that second runner coming through, we scored
so many goals. But if we're playing through the
middle, that's, that's where he shines. And that's
not something that we, we seem to do anymore.
Like we'll, we'll pass it to him and he'll pass
it to the wing. But if you got him running at
goal and hitting people, on the run, I think
that's when we really would see greatness out
of him. That's not Schmetzer's style, though.
I would like to see him take more shots outside
the box. Yeah, we've seen that he can score those,
right? Like, Pedro's goal was outside the box.
Rusnak, I think, he had to go outside the box.
The one that he hit on the bottom corner was
outside the box too, right? I think so, yeah.
So when we shoot from outside the box at a consistent
level, we score more goals than we do in the
prime assist zone. Yeah. They really broke down
his shot too. I think it was in the Club World
Cup, but maybe it was an MLS match right before
it, and talked about that he doesn't kick it
the way a traditional player does, but his style
is exactly the same as... Cristiano Ronaldo's,
which is why he scores so many balls, because
the ball goes so hard at the goalie that it has
a pace that they don't expect out of the kick.
He's just spamming the low -driven shot from
FIFA. Double -tap circle now. New changes being
made to the game. yeah i mean i love him it's
such a bummer that he felt that way and i want
to make sure that he feels loved he needs no
he needs to feel he needs to feel our love because
he he is didn't he set the record for uh what
was it first sounders player to 50 goals 50 assists
or whatever i think first mls player yeah on
two different teams right right right that's
that's incredible that's incredible he's he's
an amazing player he needs to know that Yeah.
I mean, maybe there's no song about him. You
know, ECS doesn't cheer at him. I don't know.
But he's in a position that I think isn't very
heralded because he may be at center tacking
mid, but he often plays more like a center mid.
A deeper playmaker. Yeah. Because he's running
the offense. You watch him. Even when he's not
touching the ball, he's telling people where
to go and what to do. So he has a huge impact
there. Yeah, we need that. Yeah. I think I went
to the bathroom. I know I went to the bathroom.
I didn't think, but I think an interesting thing
is I went to the bathroom. I left. I said, Nick,
I'm going to run to the restroom because whenever
I do that, we tend to score a goal and then they
scored. And then I went and got some lunch and
we scored. So I missed the first two goals. So
I think, I think if we're going to see, I didn't
expect them to score, but, but if I step away,
the Sounders do score. So maybe I need to, be
absent during the game more often well it's like
um those times where you had a that you weren't
able to make it to the matches and we go and
win three zero five two yep yep yeah and the
matches that we tailgate too yeah we did we had
a nice tailgate before the last match i got a
little sunburn i was surprised but that was fun
i did i did sit in ecs my dad didn't tell me
he wasn't coming to the game. So I just had one,
an extra ticket and no one could take it. So
I sat, it was, it was me and Nicholas and Alex
and Nicholas's daughter and Dan and his family.
So we had a nice little ultras party. And Eric
13 too. Yep. Eric 13 shout out. Of course, none
of us would have been there without Eric. So
that's just a given. No, I just remember when
Pedro scored, I was just looking at you the whole
time you turned around, looked at me. And now
he knows free Pedro, man. That was, I mean, do
you think there's anything we can take away from
this game moving forward? I think, uh, both Jordan
Morris's injury, but also heading into Atlanta
with the knowledge also that, uh, yesterday Rothrock
broke a bone in his hand. It is not traveling.
He has surgery today. Did he? Yeah. I've seen
something that's for like, he has surgery. Yeah,
I know he wasn't in practice, and they said he
broke his hand, or bone in his hand, not his
old hand, thankfully. What do you think is happening
heading into Atlanta, where unfortunately we
talked about it last episode of the show, where
Garth had stepped away due to cancer, and they've
been struggling a bit. And their fans are angry
because they just traded away one of their young
stars for basically nothing, a defender. Who'd
they get rid of? I think I missed that one. A
young defender who's only played 12 games, but
they basically have nothing in the tournament.
So they're pretty mad about it. I don't know.
They got on Chris Henderson, and I was like,
yo, we'll take Chris Henderson back. Like, that
dude brought us all our championships. No, yeah,
I think I've seen that, but then I didn't really
pay too much attention because it was Atlanta.
I'm like, they're mediocre either way. They paid,
what, $20 million for Latela, and he hasn't been
producing, really? Yeah. But any concern about
the Sounders heading down there? Missing Rothrock,
who, you know, if Pedro can show up and be the
man, we don't need to worry about that. But Rothrock
has been our offense, it feels like. No, I think
if Pedro could, this is, so now, like Pedro showed
up last game. Like that was his, like I've arrived
game. So now what he has to do is build off these
performances and continue with that momentum.
Because there's no... We could be free Pedro
this and that, but if he's not being consistent
with his game, then we have to try something
different. Yeah. But I think him and Danny have
a good connection. If we see Reid play as a left
back again, I think they have a good connection
as well. And then we'll have Yamar probably playing
more minutes. Is this game two of the new who
suspension or is that over? That's how, how much
my brain has forgotten everything in the past.
It's over. It's over. It's over. But if Brian
doesn't play them, then that's between the coaching
staff and new who. Yeah. Oh, breaking news. This
is a huge one for. Me, as I just taught a class
on this, Donald Trump signs an executive order
seeking to clarify NCAA athletes' employment
status, which is an NIL thing. I just taught
an entire quarter on NIL at Seattle University.
And then six hours after our final class, there
was a summit that changed everything. And now
they have 30 days to preserve college sports
opportunities to prevent them from becoming professionals.
Interesting. Led by Linda McMahon, who's had
a busy day today. And breaking news. Seattle
Mariners are acquiring first baseman Josh Naylor
from the Arizona Diamondbacks. What? That's what
I'm talking about. I wish they'd get Eugenio,
but holy, that's. I mean, we're actually making
some moves. That's what I'm talking about. Come
on, Sounders. Be like the Mariners. Let's go.
Yeah, we're not making a move now. The summer
window just opened today. The Sounders got to
make a move. We don't have a forward now. We
don't got the money. I mean, Miami had the money.
They figure it out. We just need to be creative
with how we do it. Adrian bought new curtains.
Shout out, Dan. Oh, my God. Wow, the Mariners.
Okay, hopefully that's just the first of several
moves by the Mariners. I would love to see Eugenio
back as well, even though we traded him away
in the first place. Yeah, we just let him go
because they said he was a salary dump. Yeah,
he didn't have enough. They said he wasn't. he
didn't try hard enough for some stupid thing
okay that's close and he's second in the major
league baseball with in home runs behind cal
imagine if he was on the team but josh naylor
on our on our new mariner podcast which which
i actually want to start a mariner scuttlebutt
podcast probably for next season but josh naylor
is batting 292 with 11 home runs 59 rbis so great
adjust addition to the that's good The Mariners.
Do you think, speaking of additions, that adding
a forward to the Sounders, even one that is just
a backup at this point, is a good idea? Yeah,
we have to. I don't think D -Road is ready for
consistent minutes backing up Danny. And now
the front office doesn't have any excuse of like,
oh, we're waiting for Jordan Morris to come back.
It's like, well, that... that ship has sailed
so they yeah who we need something different
from danny and jesus up top and and i mean after
that and let's assuming we you know we can't
really feel d -row if he's not performing up
to our standards who else would we have up top
jesus i mean that's that's what i'm saying after
danny and jesus like We've basically got two
and a half forwards. They'll put Georgie up there
or Rothrock. They did do that one time with Georgie.
I think we lost that game. Yeah. It's all experimental
at that point, right? Yeah. Looking at the goals
out there, so these are MLS free agents, meaning
people we could just sign right away. Midfielder,
but I've always liked him, Lateef Blessing. Has
five goals in 27 matches, but worth about 800K
euros. Bobby Wood, four goals in 18 matches.
He's available. I don't think Insigne is coming
back. Jonathan Lewis, who most recently played
for Barnsley. He's an American, dual American
Jamaican. Three goals in 24 appearances. That
might be it when it comes to Michael Chang, who
has no goals in 22 appearances for Salt Lake,
and Tommy McNamara, an Irish -English dual citizen
who has no goals in five appearances. So not
a lot of depth out there in terms of attacking
just available MLS -free agents. Surprised that
no one signed Shane O 'Neal, actually. He's still
available, former Sounder. Was a pretty great
center back for us. But, oh, maybe he most recently
played in... Oh, it looks like he might have
just signed for FK Radinke in... I don't even
know what country that is. That's an Eastern
European country of some sort. He's now out of
contract since then, though. It must have been
a short contract. Yeah, not a lot of free agents
ready to go that have scored a lot of goals.
So you're having to bring in someone to do something,
I guess, that we don't expect. We've already
raided Tacoma Defiance. They have now fired their
coach because they've fallen apart. Oh, damn,
really? I think there's more to your story. Probably.
I mean, the whole point of defiance is to get
your 10 ,000 minutes for that player so that
they can develop and move up, right? They're
not about winning, so it can't just be losing.
That's not the point is necessarily to win. Right,
right, right, right. Maybe he's not playing certain
players that the front office wants, and he's
like, you're out. You're fired. Yeah. Could be.
Could be. So, I don't know. It'll be an interesting
stretch here where I think the Sounders could
use someone to score goals. I mean, this player
doesn't exist, right? I want a Will Bruin -style
backup. Not Will Bruin as a starter, like late
-career Will Bruin, but maybe those players just
aren't available anymore, especially this late
in the season, in the offseason. I mean, we could
have gone and got Jeremy a... in the offseason,
which I would have loved. Oh, man. Can you imagine
if we had brought him in because he was available
in the offseason? Yeah, he's great. Yeah, I love
him. Is he LAFC? Is that where he went? I think
so. Yeah. I think Giroud was his backup. Yeah.
Who's now gone, but they're bringing in more
people. They're bringing in Son. Human Son. Looks
like it. We'll see if it gets finalized. Boy,
the last reason to be a Spurs supporter is gone.
He won a trophy and dipped. He said, I finally
did it for you guys. I'm out. I'm just looking
at the free agents that were available. starting
the season and most of them have been signed,
but they do have Rusnak on there because of it.
And I just want to point out 84 key passes in
2024, 2 ,500 plus minutes played for four years
running. He'd get plenty of interest from other
teams that had said last year was the best season
of his eight year career, 10 goals, 16 assists,
88 % pass completion rate on his 1 ,165 passes
and the top chance created for Seattle. It makes
sense that we signed him. And I wonder if, now
going back to Rusnak there, do you think that
maybe some of the love he doesn't feel is because
the Sounders fans wanted a higher profile level
DP signing and he feels like it falls on him
because they signed him instead? I wonder if
that's part of it because I want a high level
DP signing, but I want him too. You know what
I mean? He's not the one I'm replacing of the
three DPs we have on our team. Who are you replacing?
Jordan. Okay. At least we're on the same page.
This was his chance to shine. I love Jordan Morris.
Don't get me wrong. From a personal perspective,
in high school, my cousin is, we'll say, on the
spectrum. And Jordan was so kind with him. and
always went out of his way to make him feel welcome.
And so my admiration for Jordan goes well beyond
what he does on the field. It's who he is as
a human being, and he's had a direct impact on
my family. But yeah, I'm not sure how you give
DP money to a player, even though he's hurt.
So it's not always his fault, but can't stay
on the field. Yeah, and it's been a couple of
seasons now of him being a DP. Yeah. Right. And
do we, do we feel like he's reached that kind
of status at any point? Right. So I, I think
from a, from just a pure like business perspective,
I think that's totally fair to want. I guess
this is technically his first year as a DP because
he triggered it by how, how many goals. Okay.
But there's the, the ESPN breaking news of Josh
Naylor coming in to the Mariners. As reported
by Jeff Passan, Passan, Passan, however you say
it. I'd love to see who we're giving up for him.
And I also wonder if that means the Mariners
are out of the Eugenio Suarez race, which the
Yankees and the Mariners are the two teams going
the hardest on. Oh, man, I hope we get Eugenio.
I mean, I know Ben Williamson has been awesome
over, you know, playing third, but. Obviously
his bat is not as good as Eugenio. And I feel
like Eugenio could totally mentor him too. So
I don't see any issues with like, Oh, well then
Williamson won't get to play as much or anything.
It's like, he's still a rookie, you know, he'll
get to learn. Man, that would be, that would
be really nice. That'd be really, really nice.
I think, I think the way we feel, and this is
why I keep bringing it up. The way we feel about
this Mariners move. is the way we would feel
if the sounders brought in somebody anybody come
on do something well now that now that we have
uh you can do a cash for in the mls yeah oh wait
but that involves money so we i mean we have
but it doesn't what's money the problem is the
cap hit right how did how much cap space we have
versus the player we bring in right so we can
bring in a player on alone And then it will not
hit us the same, especially if it's a loan to
buy. I mean, you see lots of teams do this. This
is something that we tried to do last year in
the summer window, and it didn't work out. So
there is room for that. It's just getting a player
that wants to do it. Last time we sought players,
there was two that were on our radar that got
that far, and both of them decided they wanted
to stay in Europe. And those were wingers, though.
Those were forwards. So it's not like we can
go back to the well on that, but it'll be interesting.
What are you expecting out of the team in Atlanta?
I kind of wanted to touch back on Jordan being
a DP nine. Yeah. I think so. What I think of
a DP nine is someone that's in the golden boot
race. For the sounders, especially. Yeah. Like
that as a DP nine, you have to be, you know,
producing. And we can say that he's been hurt
this year, but part of the game is being able
to stay healthy. He's been very injury prone
this year. Like he's had a bad luck with injuries.
And yeah, that's not entirely his fault, but
it's still part of the game. Like reliability
is, or availability is the best thing as a player.
Like there's no point in having a Messi or Ronaldo
if they're only going to play. Five, ten games
a year. That's why we let Ozzie go. I mean, Ozzie,
still one of the best players on the team, but
was not getting on the field. It's why we talk
about Nuhu, and sure, he's the best defensive
left back this team has ever had, but if he's
hurting the team and harming the trust of the
team, and let me tell you, obviously I've never
said which players have said this. Multiple players
that I talk to throughout the years have questioned.
uh, his ability to, uh, not make mistakes, um,
mentally. And that doesn't, I mean, on and off
the field more than anything, but, um, and that's
why I think Schmetzer said, and, and repeated
it when I talked to Brian on Sunday, uh, he's
got new, who has to earn the trust of the team
back, not just the coaches. Yeah. Yeah. So I
think Jordan though, come on. I mean, you saw
it live on TV, Cedar. That was a foul, right?
That keeper undercut him. Should have been called
for a foul on that play when Jordan got hurt.
Let me jog my memory on that. It was that crazy,
like he was thrown up in the air and landed on
his AC joint, basically. Landed on his shoulder.
Yeah, it looked bad, but the goalie got the ball
first. He got there first. He beat him to the
spot. It was a bad collision. It's part of the
game. Any other position on the field, you're
calling the foul on the person that takes the
guy out. I mean, we didn't get the foul on Pedro
in the box. I mean, that one was fun. Yeah, that
goalie was getting away with a lot that game.
That was ridiculous. Even though it was an accident,
clearly he didn't mean to hit Pedro there. And
it wasn't, you know. He wasn't going to get hurt
off of it. You can't do what he did on that.
No, no. As being a goalie for a few years, the
way that I'll do the same thing if I want to
hit the striker. I do that play so I can leave
a mark so he knows not to make the same run again.
He didn't do that on accident. He did it with
a purpose. Sure, but even if he did, it's still
a foul. Anywhere else on the box, like outside
the box, it's a foul. Right. But Mr. Drew Fisher
didn't want to give a PK. Yeah, it was a rough
game. Do you think it's because he's Canadian?
It must be. That's the reason. No, and this is
like... Why there's going to be a lot of games
like this because ultimately it's like the refs
describe... If the ref uses it like this and
VAR uses it some other way, it's going to fall
on the ref. Ultimately, he had the final call
on the final say. I did think it was crazy that
it didn't go to VAR. Yeah, I'm surprised the
VAR referees wouldn't have blown that and just
had him come over and look at it because... It
was. Yeah. Why wouldn't you just look at it?
I've never understood that. Why wouldn't you
just look at it? But, you know, I don't know.
Let's see. Yeah. Yeah. Soren Stoica VAR for that
game. Interesting. So that was only his. Was
that only a second time refereeing? This can't
be right. Is this in one season? Maybe this is.
It might be this year. Second time reffing the
Sounders. Gives out 9 .5 fouls per game, 0 .5
fouls per tackle, 0 .5. He gave out one yellow,
it says. That seems, yeah, for this season, that
seems interesting. One yellow given. They got
three. So clearly it didn't, they haven't put
in his new stats. At least we didn't. Oh, it
was one against us. That's not game total. That's
how many he's given to us. Oh, okay. Whereas
he's given five to the Galaxy, five to the Whitecaps.
And he's given out no red cards this year. So
I guess we weren't going to see a lot of that
happen. No, we didn't concede a PK and we didn't
get a red. That's a win in my book. And he reffed
Botafogo and PSG and Al Ain. And so, yeah, it
looks like he was reffing. He refed the PSG -Bodafogo
match. So he did get some Club World Cup time
in there. And he gave two penalties to Charlotte,
or called two on them in the Red Bulls game.
So he's willing to call penalties, just not for
us. So like every other, every ref ever, basically.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Where do you go from
Jordan then? What are you doing? Are you moving
on? Me? Yeah. Put him back on Tam. I mean, I
think that's the right move. I don't know how
you do that. He'd have to sign a new contract.
What does it benefit him to do that? You got
to tell him you either take a pay cut and you
help the team or we got to ship you off somewhere
else. Yeah. Yeah, you got to make a... A decision
that's best for the team. There's no point in
paying him a DP salary if he's not even playing.
At this point, his DP means doesn't play. And,
like, I love the guy. I have his jersey. Me too.
But you just got to be on the field, man. Like,
you got to help. Well, you got to be scoring
goals too. I mean, the most goals he's ever scored
was 13 last season. And my problem is most of
those, I think 11 of those, it was either nine
or 11, were from the wing. They were not from
the forward position. It was once he had been
moved over to the wing from the number nine at
the end of the game. And so that's why I think
he's a valuable player on this team, just not
as a number nine. Yes. Yeah, it feels like, oh,
okay. It feels like ideally he's playing on the
wing or he's backing up at the number nine. When
needed, but he's not, I don't, I don't, yeah,
I don't know. And yeah, he's been injured. So
it sucks, but clearly it's just, it hasn't worked
so far. So I don't, I don't know. It's just hard
to keep backing him when he's not making it on
the field. Yeah. What was it? He was out for
what? Two months. He comes back with two, three
games and then he's out again. Yeah. I mean,
this injury, I can't, I don't like, I am not
when people say, Oh, they're always hurt. Well,
sometimes the injuries aren't their fault. You
know what I mean? Like Pedro was rushed back
when he shouldn't have been from his original
knee injury. This was a complete fluke player,
right? It's not like he's, he's injury prone
necessarily. I mean, you could argue because
it was the same hamstring he re -injured, but
it's, it's an unfortunate incident. So I could
say, I could see him being out there and not
getting hurt at all. I just, right now, what
do we do for this season? And it's, you got to
come up with some sort of player that can, just
a body out there that can score some goals. Doesn't
need to score 10, five goals down the stretch
here would be great. I mean, Danny Wazowski's
are, Back of nine, he's our second leading goal
scorer behind Rusnak? Yeah. I feel like he shouldn't
have had to be put in that position. Yeah, but
I think we're lucky that he's been playing phenomenal.
He did have that stretch of 11 games without
a goal, though. I think he was probably arguing
with his fiancée or something. Because once he
got engaged, he started tearing it up. I will
say he's one of the nicest people I've ever met.
I had dinner with him last year at the Rave Gala,
and truly, truly a nice dude. So what are we
thinking? We've got to talk about Atlanta, and
then we've got to get out of here. We should
beat Atlanta, because they are... Very, very
far down in the Eastern Conference. Although,
ironically, they average the most attendance
for their home games out of anybody in Major
League Soccer. They've got that down pat. Nearly
45 ,000 people a game. And we actually lead the
Western Conference in our average attendance
with just a little bit over 30 ,000 people each
home game. But yeah, we should beat Atlanta.
They're winless in their last five. And yeah,
they're not doing too hot. So we really, really
should beat them. We'll be on the road. It'll
be tough. Regardless. Alex? We're going to win
3 -1. Pedro's going to get a goal and assist.
And Rustak's going to get a goal and assist.
Who gets the third goal? The third goal? On goal.
Oh, nice. Or Danny. One or the other. And then
we concede a PK. That's how they get there first.
So it's 2 -1 and then a stoppage time to get
the third. Nice. Love it. I'm going to say 2
-1 Sounders. That's going to be my call on this
one. I don't know who's going to score yet. I
have to think about that more. But, man, go Sounders.
That's awesome. And then Dan said 3 -0. Atlanta
wins. Oh, really? No, I'm pretty sure that's
what he said. He put 3 -1 San Jose to win last
weekend. I mean, he's been on a more positive
attitude lately. By the way, the Mariners traded
their number 13 and number 16 prospects, a left
-handed pitcher and a right -handed pitcher.
So not a bad trade there for the Mariners. How
many years left does Naylor have under his current
contract? Oh, okay. He's a rental. I mean, maybe
they re -sign him like they did Randy. That's
good, though, right? Don't we always criticize
them for not making an effort before the playoff?
All right. That's good. Let's go. Last year,
they made a bit of an effort. The year before,
they brought in our all -time leading ERA man.
What's his name? Castillo, right? Castillo, yes.
We need... Our Josh Naylor. You listening, Craig?
I mean, Craig, of course, wants it. Are you listening,
Adrian? Bring in a forward. He's going to say,
we have Jordan. He'll be back. Any last thoughts
before we get out of here? He's going to say,
the doctors got it wrong with JP's knee. Maybe
they got it wrong with Jordan's shoulder. That's
another thing we didn't mention. JP will be back
this season because they went in there and his
ligament was still attached. Shout out Providence.
Great doctors they have. Can't even diagnose
our players right. I will say, so I love the
jersey matchup, the last game against San Jose.
Because you've got to do a throwback versus a
throwback, right? Us versus Colorado. They didn't
do their throwback, which they had. They had
a throwback jersey, but maybe they didn't want
to debut it on the road, I guess. Oh, whatever.
Was it the green? Dark green? Yeah, which is...
which is their jersey. They used to have green
and green and white stripes back in the day.
Their logos might look more like a hockey logo
than a soccer logo. Yeah. I mean, the avalanche,
I think basically stole their logo. Well, what
I, the other point I want to make is I love,
I love the throwbacks that we have. They look
great. And one of the reasons why is you've got
Providence on the ass in the back, like in a,
you know, subdued. tone. You can barely see it.
You barely notice it. I like that part. I think
this would be the perfect opportunity for our
players to tuck their jersey. Absolutely. Let's
tuck it in, boys. Pedro, listen. Tuck your jersey.
They would all look... They should all shave
their heads and tuck their jerseys in. I don't
know if anybody would want to face them then.
They were going to say, why is Craig on the field?
Is that Schmetzer? No, if it was Schmetzer, they'd
be wearing a bunch of suits. Yeah. And real snappy.
Although, he did wear his suit in 90 degree weather,
but then didn't wear it last match where it was
really pleasant. Oh, was he in the training kit?
He was in his training kit. I want to know. We
need to have him on the podcast, and we need
to pick his brain about how he makes that decision.
His game day wardrobe routine. We should just...
We're not even going to ask about subs. We don't
want to know about subs. We don't want to know
about soccer. We just want to know about the
clothes he's choosing to wear. Why this suit
and this tie? Why this pen for your press conferences?
You're going to break the pens. I wonder how
many pens he goes through. It must be a lot.
Sometimes though, like Ziggy would come out with
a different scarf every game. It was just handed
to him. He had no idea what the scarves were.
So I imagine Brian's a little more hands -on
than that, but you never know. You never know.
Can I just give a shout out before we leave to
Paul Rothrock who came over and... uh, on Sunday
and talk to us for a bit and just such a cool
dude. Like I, he didn't need to come spend time
with us, but he, but he genuinely came over and
just hung out and talk for a bit. Um, and, uh,
just asked, asked us questions, was interested
in who we were and what we were doing with our
lives and brought over his girlfriend. And, uh,
yeah, it was just super fun. Oh, also we should
give a shout out to Christian for. for letting
ECS get their hands on the Heritage Cup after
the match. Yeah, they brought it over and gave
it in the crowd. One of the biggest days for
the Heritage Cup in a long time. I heard it even
made it on TV. San Jose fans were even like,
all right, I guess it's okay for one because
the Heritage Cup gets some due. I meant to bring
it in here. It's sitting in my front steps right
now. Just on the other side of the garage here.
Put it in the closet like they did. No, I won't
lose it this time. But yeah, I'm excited. Heritage
Cup, big things coming. We formed a nonprofit
and I think there's going to be a bunch of educational
stuff coming around in ASL as well. So it'll
be super cool. Next up, Cascadia Cup. That's
great. Cascadia Cup is Timber's Army and ECS.
And I'm not sure which. Vancouver group, to be
honest. The main one. The big one. But yeah,
we have... Do we have one game against each of
them left? Yeah. Portland's on October. And I
think Vancouver's in September. I'm not sure.
Yeah, Portland's October 4th. My dad's 85th birthday.
Although he won't be there. Wow. All right, let's
get out of here. We'll be back, what, Sunday?
So we may have another Ultras episode before
we have a regular episode. So we'll be talking
Seattle versus Atlanta. It'll be a good game.
I will be with you guys in spirit for that game
or for that recording. I will be at a concert.
In Seattle, no less. In Seattle at the Wama.
Who are you seeing? The Marias. Oh, nice. Yeah,
my girlfriend got tickets, so we're going. I'll
be coming back from a punk show in Bellingham,
but I'll be back in time. Yeah, if she goes to
Soundgames for me, I can go to a concert for
her. There you go. Yeah, for sure. Alright, everybody.
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