It's time for Scuttlebutt Ultras. Quick takes
from our Patreon Ultras, sharing their soundest
thoughts straight from the heart. Your voice,
your moment. Hello and welcome to Scuttlebutt
Ultras, an offshoot of the Sounders Scuttlebutt
podcast. I'm here with the three Ultras, Dan,
Alex, and Cedar. What is up, guys? Hey, what's
going on? Hey, guys. This is Cameron, of course,
one of the hosts of Sounders Scuttlebutt. Currently,
hopefully Aaron doesn't listen to this episode
before because he watches it, but the Mariners
are up 5 -0 in the seventh inning in New York.
Not the important part. Brian Wu is pitching
a no -hitter through six so far. So I have it
on just in case. I don't like to talk about no
-hitters ever. I won't usually talk about them,
but I got a text about it. So I figured once
you're in the seventh, you're supposed to be
allowed to talk about it. So we'll let it happen.
I've been the one no -hitter in real life. I
was there when Iwakuma had a no -hitter on my
mom's birthday. So that was pretty fun. Nice.
The only thing that wouldn't make it better is
if he's on LSD. Doc Ellis, was that his name?
Yeah, personal hero of mine. That's pretty awesome.
People know who you are, and we've recorded and
scrapped several times different topics and episodes,
but this is going to be a standalone series that
takes place in between other episodes of the
show because the people said, we want more Ultras.
So that is what we're getting. I'm just going
to start it off with something sad just because
it broke today. Garth Loggerway has stepped away
from Atlanta United because he has been diagnosed
with cancer. And I got to know Garth pretty well.
So it's pretty... He's just a really good dude.
When we won the CONCACAF Champions League...
He pulled me down and gave me a big hug. And
I was like, you did it. And he's like, no, we
did it. Like just such an amazing dude. And I
was talking to him at the end of last season
a little bit about a project I'm working on.
And then some stuff got in the way from doing
it. So hopefully I'll get a chance to do some
work with him here in the future. Knock on wood,
everything goes well with his recovery. But pretty
sad day in the Sounders community. never even,
I mean, you know, it's not over. He can fight
it. He can win, but never fun when someone gets
cancer. No, not at all. And plus, I think we
kind of missed the times when Garth was our GM
and we were winning championships. A lot of good
memories with him. That's for sure. But yeah,
we're all, we're all sending him our, our thoughts.
Absolutely. Good thoughts his way. Please do.
Please do. All right, boys, let's talk about
some soccer here. We just well, first, let's
not go Sounders. Let's talk about the Club World
Cup final. We all got a chance to either attend
or watch Club World Cup matches involving the
Sounders. And now the final is Chelsea versus
Paris Saint -Germain. What's the feeling on how
that final is going to end up being and how the
tournament's been for y 'all? I mean, first off,
I want to say congratulations to PSG for winning
the Club World Cup. The funny thing is, I've
only been a PSG fan for 25 years. I've been a
Chelsea supporter for 30. So this is a tough
one for me. You're going to have to have like
that one Simpson. Yeah, you've got a real choice.
Yeah. I'm going to sit back and enjoy it like
I did the PSG Sounders match. Wear a PSG and
then a Chelsea kit on top, and then once Chelsea
lose, take it off. Like the guy at the Mexico
match? USA -Mexico match? You see that? They
were like, you need to choose, so he chose Mexico.
Kind of like Obed Vargas. Too soon. Well, it
turned out to be the right choice on Sunday.
Yes. Absolutely. How about you, Cedar? How did
you enjoy? Are you enjoying the Club World Cup
as we're coming down? One match left this weekend.
Yeah, it's been good. It's nice seeing these
other teams lose to PSG by more than we lost
to them. So I'm enjoying that. I'm enjoying it.
I'm like, hey, are we better than Real Madrid?
Maybe. Only losing 2 -0. That's pretty good.
Obviously. It's been fun. It should be an entertaining
final, although I don't see anybody beating PSG
right now. They're steamrolling everybody. We'll
see. It's going to take something special. How
about you, Dan? I know you did your best to watch
the Sounders matches. I think you were... Had
your phone maybe at a doctor's appointment and
at a wedding, maybe on an airplane trip across
the ocean. I mean, I feel like you just had your
phone everywhere watching these matches. The
things that my family expects of me when the
Sounders are on is ridiculous. I actually watched
the last match here against Columbus Crew at
an eight -year -old's birthday party sitting
in my car while they were spending an hour to
bust a pinata. Give me that. I'll bust the pinata
for you. It was ridiculous. But for the World
Cup, whichever team knocks us out, I always want
that team to win it all because I can say, hey,
at least we lost to the best team. My biggest
takeaway so far from the World Cup is Miami got
thrashed so bad by PSG that they decided to spend
another 30 mil on a transfer fee so they can
keep up with the team that's last in the league
in transfer fees. Yeah, it's true. They, of course,
are going after Alex. You'll know his name, but
the Atletico Madrid player. Rodrigo de Paul.
I was going to say Paul Rodrigo, so that was
clearly wrong. There was a meme during the World
Cup in 2022. That was Messi's bodyguard on the
field. Okay. So if someone fouled him, he was
real quick to get a yellow. So it makes sense
that he's wanting to bring over his enforcer.
Yeah. Didn't they kick out his actual security
guard off the field? I think they might have.
There was some drama. But yeah, so the Sounders,
of course, are not in it. You can buy a cool
trophy, though, I saw. We were talking about
it on the last episode of Scuttlebutt, where
you... can get the actual replica of the Club
World Cup trophy with the Sounders thing in the
background that says qualified. How much does
that sell for? Nice. I might get one just to,
since I'm guaranteed a trophy at this point.
Although I did, I ordered a couple bootleg. Club
World Cup jerseys for Chelsea and PSG. And I
was really excited about them. But then I saw
a friend just got something in from China today
and had a $69 .99 bill that came with a COD because
of tariffs. I'm pretty sure that all you have
to do is just whatever you file for your taxes
next year, you send it to China and then China
pays you back. Okay. I'll try that. man they're
coming for you cedar i know i i live in a i live
right next to like a fire department and a police
station and yeah there's always something going
on that was the irs going after dan for trying
to not pay oh man wait till they find out that
i'm a never mind dun dun dun so the sounders
uh we You know, interesting run going on in,
I guess, a series of games that we should win.
How are we feeling? Just what's the overall feel
for you all of the Sounders? Does one of you
speak up and run with it? Eventually, we'll get
the hang down of people just talking over each
other in a good way. But for now, just one of
you start talking. Let's talk about this. How
are you feeling? We're in, what, fifth place
right now? I've had a... I've been constantly
arguing with myself since the last game, which
I felt pretty good going into. And on one hand,
I really like Seattle's performance. I think
Seattle looked like the better team for at least
half the game, and I think they deserve to win
the game. So with these games coming up, I think
overall we're in place to finish fourth or third
in the league. I think that's probably going
to be our landing spot at the end of the year.
I mean, we are three points behind Portland right
now. Same number of games on 30 points as Brian
Wu gets a strikeout and now has a no -hitter
through seven. How about that? Six more outs,
people. God, we could be doing history right
here just talking about it during a no -hitter.
I once had tickets to a game, and I was at the
dentist, and I heard the game on the radio, and
I just assumed it was a replay of the game the
night before. And then I was getting ready to
head down to the game I had tickets for, found
out it was a day game when I got a text from
KGR saying, Felix pitched a perfect game. So
I did not attend the perfect game, but I had
ticket steps for it somewhere. So technically,
you had tickets to the game. Yeah, I have the
tickets from the game. But if you were there
in person is another question. No, I was not.
There was a series of games in a row for the
next two years. Whenever I gave away my tickets,
the Mariners had a no -hitter the next time,
and then they had a combined no -hitter the time
after that. So there was a while where it was
good to give me Mariners' tickets, and then I
give them away. I think you can call that on
your... Oh, go ahead. I mean, it's kind of like
the Club World Cup tickets. Did we have tickets
to the game, but did we sit where we were supposed
to? No. Probably not. I did one game. Cool game.
What were you going to say, Dan? I was going
to say you could probably file those ticks you
gave away as charity on your taxes and China
will pay for it. We're going to get shut down.
No, see, here's the thing is the first big Trump
tax bill, the first time they lowered tax rates
for every single type of business except for
lawyers and dentists. So we were the two that...
didn't get our tax breaks because uh i guess
we have bad lobbies of course they are the two
uh professions who at the time had the highest
suicide rates so what the hell man yeah um i
think that can wow yeah this is this is trump
tax scuttlebutt and death watch let's do it go
let me go get another beer Let me go get one.
What about you, Cedar? How are you feeling about
the Sounders right now as we're coming off a
1 -1 draw versus Columbus? Pretty good. I mean,
as we know, as we've talked about, Columbus are
a really good team. And I think, yeah, that seemed
like a game that we could have won. And, you
know, obviously we didn't. and you know some
scary stuff with steph at the end like hopefully
he's okay try yeah we can talk about that yeah
i mean you know i'm i'm i'm uh i'm not like too
i'm concerned about him obviously and obviously
we want him to be okay and i know like you know
christian's gone through some scary concussions
before and and it's nothing to mess around with
but i i am i'm you know i'm fine with andy thomas
being in goal he's more than capable um and just
moving forward i mean everybody everybody who's
had to fill in for one injury or another has
you know performed overall pretty admirably so
i'm i'm not concerned about our performance on
the field in that aspect and yeah i thought that
was a really good game against a really you know
a really really good crew team um we got them
under their normal you know rate of possession
and uh we we kind of played their game back at
them we we had a 1 .7 expected goals to their
0 .8 so you know you would have you would have
liked to have seen a score maybe one or two more
goals but i'll take a i'll take a point against
a really really good team what do you think alex
i think rothrock could have scored that second
shot and um Jesus, that volley in the beginning
of the game, I knew it was going to come back
to bite us in the ass. Yeah, he leaned back just
a bit too far on that one. Should have, could
have, would have been a wide open goal. He was
trying to do the matrix and leaning back, dodging
bullets. No, I think overall, I was surprised
that we only had held Columbus to one goal. And
there was a... long stretch of the game where
they were dominating us in possession and looking
at their passes compared to ours they had what
613 passes to our 457 and there was there was
a lot of the same mo sounders like recycle the
ball on the back go forward and we're going to
recycle it again and what led to our goal was
that Obed recovered the ball, and then the ball
sort of got recycled. And then they gave a ball
to Kalani. Kalani took his first touch forward,
which caused this to break the lines, and then
he gave it off to Rothrock, where he was able
to finish it first time. Yeah. Yeah, him cutting
through at the top of the box, oh my god, that
was so nice to see. And that pass to Rothrock
was perfect, because he undercooks it, it gets
intercepted, overcooks it, Rothrock is... near
the touchline it was it was kind of perfect and
funnily enough it's again it's the two you know
local kids rothrock and and kkr getting it done
where you know pedro's on the bench kent was
on the bench at that point i think and you know
jesus missed his chance right so it's ironic
and then his celebration he said it's my time
He pointed, well, he pointed to his wrist. I
don't know if he was pointing like to a watch,
but the way that I saw it was like, it's my time.
Like it's his time to shine. He keeps proving
it, right? At this point, you can't really bench
him. Yeah. I mean, what do you do? What do you
do when you have a Ryan Kent and Pedro de la
Vega on the bench, Dan? What do you, what do
you, how do you handle this? One of them on the
right. No, I keep cycling through on the right
until you got it figured out. Cause Jesus, he,
He doesn't have it figured out to the level that
we're scoring with him. But neither does Pedro
and Kent. Kent looked, I still, whenever I go
to sleep at night, I have dreams of Kent and
Morris both streaking down the field together
to both get in the box on breakaways, just like
they did in the St. Louis game. Yeah, they didn't
produce a goal, but they only did it for five
minutes. I think that is a... That's a vision,
and maybe we'll see that whenever Morris comes
back. But right now, the pessimistic side of
me is we had Jesus with his foot on the ball,
one -on -one with the goalie. We had Rothrock
with his foot on the ball, one -on -one with
the goalie. We had Morris right in front of the
goal, and the ball gets tangled at his feet.
And then our center back misses a header or two
in the box. So, I mean, there was four chances
right there that we could have put away four
points. So I'm still concerned that whenever
we don't score, a lot of times it's us not scoring
and not the defense just making a hell of a play.
And that concerns me going forward. I mean, to
add to your point, we only had two shots on target.
With those folks with their foot on the ball
right in front of it. But at the same time, you
know, they were. What they did up and to the
box, I think, was outstanding. And I think the
way that they want to play is they want to be
able to recycle the ball back. That way it's
just not everybody sitting there at the box against
a packed defense. They want to cycle the ball
back, suck the defense back out, and then put
those balls through like they did to Kalani.
And we've seen some success the last couple weeks
with that. We just need a little bit more finishing
right there in front of the goal. Where are you
at on it, Cedar? I know Nick and I have an ongoing
debate on the podcast because what I'm seeing
is we're not scoring more than a goal most of
the time, and yet we should be scoring four or
five a game, it feels like, based on the places
we're getting the ball. How are you feeling about
this team and their ability to score and or not
score? Well, I mean, against a team like Columbus,
I'm going to be a little... Can you hear me?
Yeah, they just lost the no -hitter. Mariners
did in the bottom of the eighth. Sorry, go ahead.
Get distracted by that. Magic's over. No, no,
no. Yeah, the thrill's gone, guys. Let's call
it a day. No, I mean... I mean, I don't know.
Against Columbus, they're a really good team.
So I'm not too concerned. Like Alex alluded to
earlier, if Rothrock had scored the second, that
would have been nice. But I think moving forward
once, again, I got to see how Jordan looks when
he comes back and is starting again and everything.
After that, yeah, they may still face the same
criticism of like, okay, we're so good in the
midfield. We're great at defending. We're great
getting the ball to the final third. But then
when it comes to actually linking together the
passes needed to break through the defense and
actually score, it's so hit or miss. I mean,
it took a really, really just... you know, inch
perfect play by Kalani to weave through the defenders
and a perfect pass for us to score. And it was
great. But again, can we, can we rely on that
every week? I don't know if we can. Next week.
Yeah. Oh God. Yeah, that's right. Well, and that
too, it's like, what I, that's what, that's three
times in the last. three league games that that's
happened to us. And then we had two earlier this
year where they're writing and, you know, knew
who it's just, I don't know what that is. I mean,
that's just gotta be, it's just a mental lapse,
isn't it? You know, not, not being aware of,
of your, of the game state, your surroundings,
like, Oh, you're already on a yellow, then don't,
don't pick up another. So, but yeah, I, I don't
know. I'm still going to wait and see. I mean,
we still have half of the season left, but yeah,
I'm, I still think they're, they need, they need
something. They need, you know, some extra level
to hit because right now we're, we're just not
seeing that because you could see this team functioning
on firing on all cylinders, scoring three or
four game. Like that's, that's where they should
be realistically. And they're not. I mean, let's
talk about that red card real quick. Dan, I think
you can say this happened to us earlier in the
season, too, where we had multiple games. But
that felt like a really soft yellow. That dude
was looking for that contact and went down. Christian
deserved a red. Yeah. And so maybe that's it
balancing out, right? Yeah. I was actually going
to say we had it a couple times earlier in the
year where we had players twice. A player deserved
a red, a second a yellow. And the ref pulled
it out and put it back after he realized. And
so some of it is a ref decision, the way that
the ref is calling the particular game. And so
maybe that has a little more to do in the calculus
for these two younger players. But yeah, we had
two games earlier this year where the ref was
reaching into the pocket until he realizes. And
that's frustrating to see. You know, it all balances
it out at the end. But it's frustrating to see
because you think Kalani's got to be close to
winning that job, especially since Brian decided
to keep Alex Rodon back at CB. You know, part
of that had to do with how good Kalani was playing.
Yeah, it seems like maybe that's the answer,
right? Especially with our – I mean, we have
so many center backs out. I think four were out
last match. Mm -hmm. So – The fact that we have
Alex back there is pretty huge. Oh, it's just
the Roldan brothers, they're supermen. They really
are. They can play anywhere on the pitch, and
they can do a good shift just about regardless
of the position. And they both give it their
all, too. They're both Brian Smetzer -type players.
They're going to go out there and work harder
than the other team. Who are you starting at
right back, Alex? Kalani. I've been saying it
all year. What he brings to the offense is what
Alex is lacking. But what Alex brings to the
defense is what keeps him on the field. But overall,
if I'm the coach picking a lineup, I'm picking
Kalani just for the offensive upside, especially
when we're struggling to score goals. Yeah. So
let's talk about it then. Stephen Fry. Pretty
brutal. Of course, it always looks worse than
it is, but he, I mean, frankly, he probably fouled
the player on the other team with his head because
he didn't hit the ball or anything. It came flying
out of nowhere, but scary moment for sure. How
were y 'all? Alex, you were not in person, right?
No, I was watching live, but they showed it on
the broadcast. Yeah, so what was it like? I mean,
at the game, everyone was worried, but it was
kind of like, this is what they always do in
these situations. They're going to put you on
the board just to be safe, stuff like that. I
mean, it was obviously scary because he had the
reaction you get when you're just knocked out
completely. Yeah, the fencing posture, I think
is what it's called. Yeah, so what were you feeling
in those moments when that happened? Man, I was
just, you know, I was just hoping that it was
more so just that it looked worse than it was.
Like there was no injury to like his neck, his
spine, or like a head fracture. But as we saw,
there was not really any blood. So it was more
so he was just like concussed, like he was out.
Like my first reaction when I seen him, I was
like, oh shit, he's knocked out. And then he
started fencing up. And it just, like, it sucks
because the Columbus Crew player didn't have
any malicious intent. Like, they both went for
the ball. Fry came on the way down. Like, he
just happened to, like, it was an unstoppable
force meets an immovable object. And they just,
like, hit each other head on. And it just sucks
because Fry went in with his head and the other
player went in with his leg. Like, it just happens
in the sport. It's a contact sport, and all we
hope is that Fry's going to be okay, which he
had a cheeky tweet on Sunday saying that he was
back home resting, so that was good news. I mean,
he was at practice the next day, or Monday. He
showed up, even though they told him he didn't
need to, so he clearly is making the best of
a bad situation. But I got to imagine, I get
a sore neck from sleeping wrong. hitting your
head like that can't be good no yeah i was just
at 39 too yeah yeah i was just like damn like
it just looked it looked bad on tv absolutely
cedar where uh what were you thinking when it
went on You might be on mute. Can you hear us,
Cedar? I can hear you guys. I think my connection's
a little spotty. I seem to be going in and out.
Okay. I just asked you how you were feeling when
you saw the Fry play. Oh, yeah. It reminded me
kind of of I guess it was a couple years ago
when Tua Tungvaloa got knocked out and he was,
you know, on the ground and you could see his
fingers twitching. It was, it was really scary.
It wasn't quite at that level of like, you know,
contact football play, but I mean, of, of his,
you know, how Fry was on the ground twitching
around, like, but it was kind of like that, you
know, it was really, it was eerie and uncanny
to see. So. I'm just glad that he's doing okay.
And I'm good on both the coaches for, you know,
agreeing to stop the game. Cause you know, what
are you like? Yeah. Even though Columbus is owed
a corner there, you know, what are you going
to do? Keep playing. That's crazy. So yeah, lots
of respect to Wilfred Nancy for agreeing to that.
And yeah, really, really good to see them deal
with it the way it should be dealt with. I don't
know you necessarily get that exchange from every
single combination of coaches in the league.
So it was good to see. What about you, Dan? Yeah,
for me it was. And so this is probably one of
the times that Washington at home maybe was more
impactful than being in the stands emotionally
because you could just see the violence of it.
There was violence involved with that knee hitting
the head. It was rough to watch. And then somebody,
I was really surprised. You know, I've never
even met Fry, right? It's just somebody I've
seen on TV or at the game playing. But the emotion,
I think a lot of it had to do, it was a culmination
of a really tough week for soccer and then maybe
even Seattle fandom with. As a Liverpool fan,
waking up and getting the news of Jada and somebody
that really introduced me to the sport, watching
Liverpool was the first club team I followed.
And then JP, I don't think you can't be a Sounders
fan and just feel the pain of somebody at that
stage in their career and somebody that's been
so important to the Sounders, possibly having
a career ending injury or likely an end of the
Sounders career injury. And then to see somebody
else that you know is at the tail end of their
career get hit like that, that you really just
look up to as a fan, it's emotional. I think
I'm getting a little emotional now just even
talking about it. So I was so glad to hear that
he is back at home and that he was able to get
to practice and see the guys. I bet that was
a big deal. Hopefully he took an Uber or a chauffeur
and didn't drive himself. He likes to walk sometimes.
Maybe not all the time there, but he takes the
ferry to the games lots of times, and he just
walks over from the ferry. I've seen him multiple
times do that. That is so cool. I love that.
Awesome. Yeah, now as far as on the field, I
have a lot of faith in Andy Thomas' ability to
be in goal, but we're going to admit the leadership
that Fry provides. You know, it's something to
be a captain, but think about, you know, being
a captain and being a goalie at the same time.
That means that you really are instrumental in
that locker room. And Fry does so much with ball
distribution and then organizing of the defense.
And I don't think that Andy's quite there yet
on Fry's level for the mental aspect of the game.
And so I could see a couple more goals being
shipped with Fry sidelined and recovering. Yeah,
I mean, definitely will be a change at the back.
I think you saw Nuhu particularly distraught
and it shows you kind of the relationship that
the two of them must have, which makes sense,
right? Because they're working together every
game and every practice. But respect to all the
Columbus players who also were worried and were
trying to get the doctor out there immediately.
And I mean. Yeah, I've got to meet Fry several
times and he's just such a fantastic dude and
just will hang out and talk. And so it hits even
harder. And I think Nick mentions this on the
last episode, but it did take me back to Steve
Zaccowani breaking his leg because I had been
working with Steve at the time on his nonprofit
and I just walked in seconds after it happened.
So there was just like this feeling of, oh God,
that wasn't career ending for Steve, but it was.
career ending for steve like he came back but
it was never the same so definitely glad to see
why kind of back uh in good spirits and hopefully
you know negative for the ct that's the best
news right there so uh it's just a question of
will he make it through concussion protocol and
hopefully he takes his time and uh we have had
a sounders goalie before i think it was against
manchester united and a friendly who hit his
head and ended up having to retire because of
it. Was it Terry Boss? It might have been Terry
Boss. It was one of our third -string goalies.
Ended up hitting his head on the post during
a friendly match with Man U, and that was the
last game of his career. So you never like to
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join? Give me just a second, because I have,
hopefully you didn't hear all those Amber Alerts
I had going off on my phone. Oh, no. Something's
going on in Tacoma. It didn't happen to me. That's
interesting. Yeah. It's almost like you silenced
your phone or something. It's the tax alert.
Maybe. They've been listening this whole time.
Yeah, no, it's the tax alert. That's just a notification
that China's paying my tariffs. Nothing to worry
about. i'm sorry what what was it oh patreon
oh man i i love patreon i meant the discord discord
discord yeah discord i'm sorry well yeah i love
the the patreon and the ability to give back
to this uh this product in this group of people
so i enjoy that but the the discord absolutely
it is my personal connection to sounders fans
uh and i just uh enjoy the conversations we're
gonna have there i i don't get to work with a
lot of sounders fans I only got one or two in
my office. And so most of the people I work with,
you know, I go in and try to like, Hey, did you
see this? And they're like, no. And so then I
can hop on the discord. Uh, and then, uh, you
know, there's, there's some comparative, it's
always respectful, uh, conversations, but there's,
there's debate too. And that's, I enjoy that
as somebody that enjoys to argue about sports.
Uh, I, I really enjoy that. So I, I recommend
if you're listening to this podcast, there's
no reason you shouldn't be on the disc. Come
hang out. I just got, uh, Also, my tariff warning
just came in as well. There you go. But yeah,
awesome. I agree. Get on there. It's fun. Match
days are always fun. It's a chance to talk. I
used to live tweet during matches and I don't
anymore. Instead, I go in there and talk to everybody
talking about the game. It's super fun that way.
So, you know what? We could talk about the next
game. We could talk about SKC, but I want to
hear what you all think about League's Cup. coming
up because that is uh we have what three more
matches before league's cup and then that starts
at the end of july where we're playing cruz azul
and then uh tijuana and uh another team i'm a
little frustrated because we've just come out
of a interruption with club world cup back in
mls play and now it's getting interrupted again
But it is a chance to make Champions League.
So how are we feeling headed towards Leeds Cup
right now? I'm a little excited for it. I want
another shot at Cruz Azul. They almost derailed
our season early in the year, put us in a bad
spot. And it wasn't what they did. It was just
what happened at the game, in particular with
the injuries. So I'm excited for another shot
at them, especially back here in Seattle. Again,
we played a much better in Seattle. Hopefully
we can go out there, score some goals. Another
thing I'm excited is since I've been a Sounders
fan, we seem to come out on the other end of
League's Cup a little bit of a better team. And
it's almost like these tournaments give the guys
a chance to regroup, reset, maybe even tweak
some things, because I know Brian says that their
goal is to win every. tournament that they're
in uh win every trophy that they could possibly
find but uh maybe that gives them a chance to
experiment a little bit with the formation uh
like we saw with the three backs to kick the
season off uh and tweaks and stuff around maybe
de la vega will get a play i i kind of i would
like to see him on the field again yeah for sure
cedar what about you what what are you thinking
about as we head into a month away or yeah 20
days away but into the leagues cup Yeah, three
weeks away. It's coming up. Just to echo what
Dan said, it'll be nice to get a rematch against
Cruz Azul. Maybe we can get some revenge on those
guys. And yeah, I don't know too much about Santos
Laguna or Club Tijuana, but I do know that Liga
Mequis is a really, really strong league. And
anytime that you can beat... mexican competition
that means you're you're doing pretty well um
and we'll obviously have home field advantage
for uh our three group stage matches so that'll
help that's important yeah we are the away team
against cruz azul but it is at home yeah yes
uh do we still get the general emission ecs uh
yeah we should okay does that mean they're gonna
play if if cruz azul scores Are they going to
play Cruz Azul's goal song in our stadium? I
don't know about that. I imagine it will be the
same otherwise. They get to decide. I don't know.
They get home jerseys. Well, one way to keep
them from doing that would be to not let them
score. And maybe not have our goals robbed by
the referees on a fake call off sides that was
really on sides. Oh, I had forgotten about that.
De La Vega scored. Yeah. What are you guys talking
about? I love it. Alex, what about you? You know,
I think Santos Laguna, Tijuana, not good, but
Cruz Azul, very, very, very, very good. They
were the CONCACAF champions, correct? Yeah, you
just read my mind. I'm looking at the table from
last season, and you got Santos in last place
with seven points, and then you have Tijuana.
with 19 points in 13th. They didn't even make
the playoffs. But then you have Cruz Azul that
beat the Brakes off the Whitecaps. And then we
lost to the Whitecaps C -Squad. So, I mean, as
long as we don't lose 5 -0. That was pre -Club
World Cup. We erase all those memories. That's
a different Sounders team. We clearly, they went
out. The Sounders got a star number nine to score
goals. Uh -oh. Oh, wait. Are you talking about
the ghost of Noah, Ohio? Yeah. Where's that guy?
Why isn't he here yet? His visa didn't go through.
It got denied. Man. Why? I know why. Never mind.
I think we didn't pay the tariff. Yeah. Weird.
Kent's just fine. He was here super fast. He's
British. That's why. You're thinking about the
Boston Tea Party. Yeah. Ohio, the British too,
right? Wasn't he born in Britain? Plays for the
Dutch team? But also, we could have just said
he was from Ohio. He's Noah from Ohio. What are
we doing? Yeah. We're going to chant, Ohio. No,
I think we're going to bring it back to Leek's
Cup. Yeah. We went on a little bit of a banter.
But I want to win League's Cup. I mean, I don't
know if when you guys have been in ECS, you guys
hear us chant, like, there's nothing we haven't
won. I'm like, in my head, I'm like, we haven't
won League's Cup. I mean. It's the final in one
of the early editions, but did not win. We haven't
won. We can't say that we haven't won everything
when we, you know, we haven't. Like, it's a bit
of a. contradicting song. I'm like, so let's
win League Cup so then when we actually sing
it, we can back it up with the stats. But I think
the way that they're doing it this year is that
the top four teams, I think it's top four, of
MLS and League MX go through. So essentially,
we can tie all our games and still make it through.
That's true. Although I would expect us to get
at least two wins. I think anything less than
two wins in the group stage, to me, is a failure.
I think we should aim for seven points. Agreed.
We could get a tie against Cruz Azul and then
get the wins against Tijuana and Santos. But
who knows? Maybe we get nine points and I'll
eat my words. I'd love to see it. Is there value?
What do you see, because I know there is value,
what do you all see as the value of playing Liga
MX teams? You kind of see how the leagues are
in comparison. Because you have the MLS with
the salary cap, and then you have Liga MX that
doesn't have a salary cap. So the top teams,
their whole squad is valued more than our players.
And like we've seen when we went against Cruz
Azul, they have multiple players that could be
DPs that would walk into most MLS teams and be
a starting player. But we've seen... The only
thing that is kind of an issue with a lot of
people is that the games are always played in
the U .S. There's no games played in Mexico.
So it's obviously going to be easier for MLS
sites, even if it's at a neutral site. It's also
a mid -season for us versus pre -season for them.
But how is that different than, I mean, how is
that not the same as what we deal with in the
Champions League, which is arguably a better
tournament? I was about to touch on that and,
you know, like great minds think alike. Yeah.
Dan, what about you? Do you think there's value
in having this tournament interrupt the season?
Yeah, I enjoyed the tournament. So, again, I
think this is because I'm a little bit of a newer
fan to the Sounders only the past couple of years.
I don't have the same nostalgia for the Open
Cup. Now, I enjoy the Open Cup, don't get me
wrong, and then watching some of these lower
leagues come in. go toe to toe with MLS competition
is extremely fun and everybody loves a good cup
set as long as it's not in Seattle. But, uh,
so I, but I enjoy La Liga, uh, the, uh, I'm sorry.
I enjoy least cup a lot and, I want to win it
too. I think it would be a fun thing to do. And
I think that this year there's, there's a chance,
especially with Jordan coming back and give him
a run out there and let him go cook and not pull
anything else. And we should be good. Yeah, I
mean, I think I don't like that around the league.
And this is something that I wrote the statement
that Independent Supporters Council put out about
it, the US Open Cup, and very much most of the
groups were focused on it versus League's Cup.
And for me, it shouldn't be an either or. You
can have both tournaments. Look what they do
in Europe, especially now when they've added,
you know, Chelsea and PSG end up with what, 60
games or something like that by the end of the
season. You can do both, but I will say being
at Starfire in some of those amazing matches,
just the atmosphere there is incredible. U .S.
Open Cup is some of my favorite matches that
I've ever been to. So I don't like to pit them
against each other, but I think I agree with
you that it's an important tournament, especially
for a league that wants to be equal to our rivals
to the south. What about you, Cedar? Yeah, I
think it has tremendous value. I think getting
a, you know, there being a spot in Champions
Cup on the line, that's definitely something
we want to get. Because I think after seeing
this first iteration of the expanded Club World
Cup, I think we want to go back, you know. So,
yeah, I think it has tremendous value. I think
that... It's nice to play teams that, yeah, Liga
Mekis doesn't have a salary cap, but it still
is a similar ecosystem in terms of world football
to where the MLS is at. And so it's nice to have
that kind of measuring stick where, you know,
we've alluded to it with Open Cup, you know,
playing lower level teams. Yes, there are cup
sets, but it's still different. It's very different
with the squads you roll out. I feel like with
leagues cup, a lot of teams are, they're going
to be rolling out their eight teams. Um, and
so will the Mexican team. So, um, yeah, it's
fun. It's, it's a good tournament and it's good.
It's good competition. So I'm, I'm looking forward
to it. Um, but that's not to take anything away
from, you know, the magic of us open cup and
wanting to see that be, you know, something that's
a mainstay in American soccer too. Like you were
saying, Cameron, I don't see why there's any
reason where we can't have both. The way you
do it, expand the rosters. We need five more
TAM players. Give us five more TAM players. Expand
those rosters so we have more mid to top level
players. And then suddenly you have space to
play youth players. And also let the youth players
come up for the... for the that's they could
have fixed all of this if they had just said
hey your minor league players can come play for
your professional team then it never would have
been an issue there would have been zero protests
and they just in in typical mls us soccer fashion
they all bungled this yeah yeah so well well
and we just saw too in the club world cup like
you know The gap between us and the big European
teams, while it is there for sure, it's not immense.
It's not something that can't be worked towards
in the immediate future. The league could make
strides if it wants to in terms of loosening
up the salary cap and all of the restrictions
and having MLS teams be able to put really good...
squads out on the field. So I, yeah. I do feel
like, and, and I know not everyone loves messy,
but I feel like messy has raised the profile
of the game in the United States in a way that
from a sociological perspective has made it more
relevant outside of the United States. And perhaps
because of that, they're going to, I don't know
if this. helps the sounders frankly might hurt
us but they may add another dp they may make
it so that you can bring in higher paid players
and and the salary crap isn't so restrictive
i mean i think five years ago did you think that
messi suarez busquez and georgia would be playing
in the mls not together on the same not let alone
on the same team I could see all of them playing
separately on one team for each of them. No,
wait. I think he was already gone by then. That
might have been the year that he left Barcelona.
But I didn't see Messi leaving Barcelona. The
only reason why he left was the financial situation.
And then he went to PSG. How do you feel about
that? I loved it. I had my PSG Messi jersey on
when they played against Seattle. There you go.
What's funny was that Mbappe was the problem.
Yeah, it seems like it. It seems like it. Now,
were you standing there with me, Alex, when some
kid came up and gave me a yellow card for wearing
a Messi jersey? Oh, yeah. I think so. Was that
when we were standing outside? Yeah. He's like,
Messi yellow card. I like this kid. I was like,
you little shit. Here we go. I'm excited. I'm
excited for more Sounders fans like that growing
up. The only violence at the Global World Cup
was me beating up a 10 -year -old. No crowd violence,
just me being like, ah! And then you just see
me get in, I got the last kick! Boom! The finisher,
the people's elbow. Oh, man. I have a question
for you guys. Let's say, let's say, let's say
money is relatively no object let's say we can
sign you know a really big name player who would
each of your guys like dream current footballer
be to play for this is it realistic or like uh
we're saying we could semi -realistic like let's
say i mean you're not getting messy went to miami
right you know no no you're not getting anybody
like in their prime you're not traveling back
in time but like right now like if if we had
you know, some significant money to spend and
everything worked out, who would your dream player
be to come to the Sounders? Anybody? Mo Salah.
Yeah. Then we don't have to argue about a right
winger and we'd have three wingers that can score.
Same here. That's a great choice. That's funny
because you're calling for a nine and you get
a winger. To see him in rave green. So, I'm not,
I am happy with a nine or a winger that can score.
In fact, I think a winger that could score may
be the fix to keep Jordan happy. I mean, we're
getting off your question, Cedar. I apologize.
But, yeah, I think we need an attacking player
that's an inverted winger. That's really what
I think that we need to unlock and be able to
get a couple more goals. I mean, he's 33. He's
worth 50 million euros. He's going to Saudi before
he comes to Seattle. Oh, sure. I don't know if
he's going to Saudi. I don't know. Yeah. I, you
know, maybe Apple will pay as an Egyptian. Does
he want to go play in Saudi Arabia? Yeah. He,
he, he, he knows, he knows the way that area
of the world works way better than the rest of
us. And I just, I don't know, man, I feel like
I look at it as like, wouldn't you want to like
raise your family in a, in a beautiful city like
Seattle, you know, with our world -class state
-of -the -art training facilities, you know?
Yeah. Come on down. With the new curtains and
the gold -plated toilets? Yeah. Don't show him
De La Vegas haircut. Oh, Jesus. I was unhappy.
I liked his floppy surfer hair. Everybody did.
At least he looked good on the film. Brian and
Craig are mad because he has more hair than the
both of them combined. So I gave you my real
answer. Can I give you my heart, my passion answer?
Because everybody's going to hate this. Don't
say Darwin Nunez. It would be terrible. Darwin
Nunez. I am in love with the man. I think he
would tear the MLS up. Destroy it. He would need
like five chances to score one. Not in MLS. So
he would fit right in with the Sounders. I mean
that. That's what we did. That's true. They're
probably scouting him right now. Wasn't he on
the outs of Liverpool? Yeah, he's moving. I think
he's moving to Milan. I mean, he's still under
contract at present. His value has dropped to
$45 million, so he's $5 million cheaper than
Mo Salah. So he's a discount. Yeah. What a deal.
Why don't we hijack LAFC's target and get a human
song? Yeah. That would be a good choice. I think
his contract's expiring. He can play on the wing
and up top. Yeah. Might be a realistic option.
Yeah, mine is, again, the player that just left
Botafogo, Igor Jesus, who scored against us in
that first match. And then immediately, I mean,
it was already in the works, but immediately
he was sold to Nottingham Forest. I don't know.
Did we lose Cameron? I'm really nervous without
our leader right now. So before my internet rudely
interrupted us, we were talking about who we
wanted. So we got Mo Salah. We got Darwin Nunez.
Of course, I want Igor Jesus. Alex, who was your
player? I gave my realistic option a son. That's
right. That's right. My dream signing. If we
could sign anyone right now, realistically. Go
get Raul Jimenez. Why not? He killed it in Gold
Cup. Yeah, I guess he did. He's in the Premier
League, but he's not at a top club. No offense
to my Fulham supporters. Yeah, he is 34, though,
so it's not very common for the Sounders to bring
in a player of that age that isn't a superstar.
I mean, I would go get Juliano Alvarez, but I
think he's just in his prime. or going to hit
his prime, which is unrealistic. But that's who
I'll sign. Yeah, the value for Jimenez, according
to TransferMarket, is 5 million euros. That's
too expensive for us. We got to go shop at the
dollar store. The dollar stretcher. You're starting
to sound like Tim Hamilton, muffin top model
in here. Until I see them spend on someone else
other than Pedro, then I'll be like, you know
what? Trust the process. Right now, I feel like
a Philly fan. Trust the process. Philly's got
a championship. Not the 76ers. Yeah, that's true.
I do feel like if Areola doesn't get hurt, this
season plays out very different. Seeing what
we saw from him early on, I think we are scoring
a lot of goals if he's out there with the service
he was giving. Oh, for sure. He was killing it.
Yeah. Him and Jesus were playing lights out.
That's because they've been playing together
for years. Here's the one thing I will say. I
think that we are misusing Pedro. He's known
for playing on the left wing and cutting in onto
his right foot and taking shots. he's not as
comfortable taking shots with his left foot.
And I think that if we put him on the left, he
would be much more productive than on the right.
Which goal was called? I think there was a goal
again in the League's Cup last year that was
called back where he cut inside and he hit it
from like outside the box and just curled right
in to the far post. Oh, and that was a BS offsides
too. Yeah. When have we seen any other player
hit a shot like that in our current roster? I
want to see him on the left and Kent on the right.
I do. I think that would be fantastic. Mariners
are now tied 5 -5 in the 10th inning. Classic.
Wait, is this the same game that was a no -hitter
until the 8th? Yes. Who's pitching now? Is it
still Brian Wool? No, they took him out after
he gave up two hits and then a sacrifice. So,
yeah, go Mariners. They're setting a big dumper
to hit the Grand Slam game winner. They brought
in Andre Munoz to get the – they pitched him
more than – oh, yeah, he pitched him the full
ninth and gave up two earned runs. So he blew
the save. I'm fine with that. He, like, never
does that. So it's going to happen at some point,
right? But maybe not after the Mariners have
lost two in a row. Here's the thing. I want the
Sounders to be a winning team. I don't want them
to be the Mariners. I don't want them to go,
okay, we just have to win 55 % of our games to
make the playoffs, and at that point we can make
a World Series run. I want the Sounders to be
striving to get the top two positions in the
MLS every season so we have a realistic chance
of winning the MLS Cup. And I'm worried that
because of things we've heard from the front
office that they don't believe. spending is necessary
to win that's why when people root against miami
which i usually uh recently have been doing rooting
against them but in general i've been rooting
for them because if we start having halves and
have knots and we're on the have knots that's
the only way our front office is going to spend
money we keep making it to the western conference
final with a bunch of retreads that's what they're
going to get but i think what plays a part of
that too is that I think a lot of the fan base
was calling last season a success for making
it to the Western Conference Finals. Yeah, but
why? Why was it a success for making it to the
Western Conference Finals? Because we were so
mediocre most of the season, and so we just got
hot in the playoffs. It's like they learned nothing
from that, is what I think. I think it masked
our real problems. What do you all think? I think
that we need to... Go ahead. I was going to say
that I was watching the – what did they just
post? What did the Sounders leadership team post
on the website? The Alliance Club meeting. And
one of – I think it may have been Adrian said
that we were 10 minutes – we look at it that
we were 10 minutes away to go into the cup, to
the final. And that's great. You're right. We
were 10 minutes away kind of. We were 10 minutes
away to go into extra time. But we lost that
game because we couldn't score against LA Galaxy,
a team that gave up 50 goals last year before
the playoffs. Right. And so we had one of the
let's see, they were like third in the West for
giving up goals. So not not a great defense.
And we still just could not score against them.
And so instead of looking at that and saying,
hey. Why were we 10 minutes away from going?
Was it luck, or did the ball bounce a certain
way, or could we just not put our ball into the
net? And they didn't do that. They came away
with that we're so close, let's give it another
shot. Yeah. That seems accurate. That only took
them, what, that one chance that they got? I
think that might have been Rajon's first shot,
too, at the game when he scored. I don't even
remember that game. I tried to forget it. Well,
at what point do we consider Pedro de la Vega
to be, you know, a failure, basically? I mean,
is it coming up to kind of like the cusp where
it's like, well, you know, it's been one and
a half seasons and we haven't really seen him,
you know, come good on. how much we spent on
him and everything and it's just been spotty
and yes there have been uh you know he's had
his injury issues and all that but you know at
what point like is it after the end of the season
if he still hasn't you know come on like are
we like okay well that was just a massive failure
too right that did not go as planned i don't
think it matters without the fans see pedro's
failure. I think it matters whenever the coaches
see Pedro as a failure and that they're choosing
to sit him on the bench and bring him in after
the 80th minute. To me, that shows me where their
heads are with where he fits into the club. At
least where Brian's head is. Right. Now, if Craig
just wants to keep him and not play him. I don't
know the relationship between the two and how
much they work together. I know what they say.
I did know the relationship between Garth and
Brian. And Brian played favorites and would not
play players under the plan that Garth had laid
out for us to win, including playing older players
midweek who had knee issues because he was concerned
more about winning a midweek MLS game than having
a player for full season. Which, if you're afraid
of losing your job, sure, I get it. But still,
I don't know that. But at the very least, we
know we can say that the coaching staff is not
happy with Pedro. I just feel like, sure, Rothrock
has earned it on the left, but we've seen nothing
on the right that prevents Ryan Kent from being
out there. And yet he's not. We had other players
that have come into the team and have never been
able to succeed because they're not getting minutes
on the field. We don't know what's going on behind
the scenes, but... We did see Pedro succeed at
the beginning of the season. I mean, at the beginning,
he was dominant. In an early Champions Cup, he
was great. So it's not like he's a worse player.
Is he hurt? Is he not training? Has he pissed
off the wrong people? The other thing is we know
that players can get back. Look at Nuhu. Nuhu's
been in the doghouse several times in his career
and yet always finds a way. back into being a
starter. So I, that's, I don't know. I don't
know where, if you're the, if you're the GM,
how do you, how do you determine it? If your
coach isn't giving minutes, what's the reason?
And I think that's what determines it. I think,
well, I think, I think Craig seems the type that
he's out at practice a lot of the times. So I'm
sure he sees what's going on. Again, I think
that we're not using Pedro the way that will
benefit him the most. To be the most productive.
Because I heard that Brian likes to use a right
footed winger on the right side and a left footed
winger on the left side. And that's going to
help them put in better crosses. But that's going
to eliminate the effect of them cutting inside.
And Pedro is very dynamic. He can cut in. Do
a quick combination play and then, you know,
like he'll slip through. But again, I think the
way that the team set up is that we're slow,
methodical. We're going to kill you, pass the
ball, like put you to sleep. And then eventually
someone's going to be like, you know what, like
we're going to go quickly. And it's just about
the players knowing when it's the right time
to go quickly. And if the coach is giving them
the freedom to play. Quickly. Because we see
the effort that Pedro plays on defense. He'll
run back and defend. Pedro looks like he's putting
in the work. But there's something missing that
he's not able to start games. What is the reason
that he's not starting? Is it because Brian's
playing favorites? Who knows? Maybe. But that's
something that we don't know, but we can just
speculate on. I mean, I imagine Ferreira is amazing
in practice at the very least because otherwise
he wouldn't be getting as many chances as he
is. Yeah, but then we look at him in game and
he's hitting field goals for the Seahawks. The
Cowboys, if you're Dan. Yeah, yeah. We always
have good field goal kickers. They got good cheerleaders.
That's probably the best thing that they got
right now. Shout out. You know, one of the things
in this conversation. Go ahead, Matt. Go, Cedar.
I was just going to ask you, doesn't your Cowboys,
doesn't the kicker for the Cowboys, didn't he
used to play soccer? Yes, yes. In the USL or
something like that? Yeah. He did. I don't even
remember his name anymore. This is going to be
the first year ever in my life that I don't have
the NFL package. So we'll see how it goes. I
mean, it's probably worth it. I mean, if you're
going to play this man. So, but to the Sounders,
one of the things that we're kind of, that nobody's
really hitting on is Brian lets Rothrock play
as an inverted winger. But then all the other
wingers he puts on, he's not letting them play
as inverted wingers. He's letting whoever's on
the right play as a wide playmaker, and then
whoever he puts on the left is playing as a winger.
And I think Kent – that concerns me when we are
playing wide and we only let one person get in
the box because we leave our 10 back a little
bit and he's playing at the top of the box, and
then you've got a 9 in the box by himself, wondering
why we can't break down a stacked box. Yeah,
that's fair. So that's a lot of negativity. And
Alex, I don't know if you're talking to us, but
you've cut out there. So what I want to say is,
let's leave this on a positive note. What are
you looking for the Sounders this weekend at
SKC? Hopefully a win. Hopefully more than...
Two goals because I know that Thomas can be very
shaky at times with the nerves. And it's not
going to be the same type of leadership that
Fry will give directly to the defense. But he'll
have a full week of practice to get back into
it. But I think that we could concede a goal
or two. Hopefully I'm wrong. And I hope I'm wrong.
But I can totally see us conceding a goal in
SKC. My prediction was originally 1 -0 at KC,
but I was convinced to go to 1 -1 when I did
my prediction. Cedar, what about you? Where are
you feeling about the Sounders moving into this
weekend? I'm feeling pretty good. I want to see
us just really take it to KC. I think they're
sitting 11th in the table, in the Western Conference
table right now. And they have their expected
goal difference between what they've put up and
what's been put up against them. They're at negative
20, which is far away the worst in the league.
Now they have, but their actual goal difference
is only negative five. They put up 33 goals and
they've allowed 38 in. So they've gotten pretty
lucky, all things considered. And they have Dejan
Jovalic. who, you know, obviously was the one
who put us to bed in the Western Conference final
last season. So I could see them, you know, being
dangerous in moments, but I think we have to,
a team like this, even though it's on the road,
we've got to shut them down. They don't have
Peter Vermees anymore. They've got an interim
manager. Like, we just need to, you know, just
shut them down and get three points. What about
you, Dan? I think that we come out with the same
energy that we had in the Club World Cup and
against Austin and for a lot of parts against
Columbus Crew, and we take it to SKC, and we
win 3 -1. Wow, that's being positive. And I think
that we stop talking about their scoring issues
until we play who's after that, Colorado? Yeah,
I mean, it's at home on a Wednesday night. Throwback
week. I think we are looking good. Everybody's
happy. And then we, you know, we, we go back
to a little bit of a difficulty scoring against
Colorado, but I think this game, we're going
to have some, I think we're gonna have some energy
and I think it's going to be a lot of fun. So
that's the thing. We've seen how the Sounders
can play. If they can replicate how they were
during the club world cup, they can run this
league. Yeah. I mean, they went toe -to -toe
with the best team in the world. They didn't
concede four. Only two goals. Nope. True, true.
So maybe the last question before we get out
of here then. What shell's over -under for Jordan
Morris on minutes at 45? I feel like that's a
good number. I think he hits the over. Because
Brian will bring one and a half, and he's going
to get 45 plus stoppage time. And the Mariners
just lost six to five. Classic Mariners. Classic.
But that means that's the time to win. Yeah,
but they won those first eight minutes. Yeah.
So you're saying he'll get more than 45 because
of injury time. Yeah. Cedar, what about you?
I'll hit the over on that. I want to see him
come back and really make an impact on the game.
We need a guy like that to make an impact in
order to play at our full potential, I think.
Is he starting for you, Dan? No, I don't think
Morris starts. I think he comes on at half. That's
what I'm thinking, too. Because he came on at
the 60 -minute mark last week. Yeah. That's a
pattern that Brian likes to ease folks back in,
and we've seen him in the past have players coming
at 45 before they're ready to return fully. So
we're all hitting the over? We're all hitting
the over, I guess, unless there's no injury time.
I guess I should have worded my question better.
It depends on the scoreline. If it's Real Madrid,
then there's no stoppage time. Well, this was
a great episode. I'm glad you all were here.
And I guess we'll record again on Sunday, right?
Yeah. Yeah, I'm good for that. Yeah. Afternoon.
After we have another match and before we play
Colorado on Wednesday. So we'll hopefully have
a lot to talk about. We can talk about Jordan
Morris getting a brace. A hat trick. Imagine
that. There's some times in these games where
you see moments of brilliance at him that if
he could. Do it full -time when he's healthy.
And we've seen him do it, but not as much this
year because of injury. This team could be fantastic.
Two years ago at KC, he scored four. Was that
the opening of the season when Leo had three
assists? And then he fell off the face of the
earth. Oh, Leo. Well, he had another good game
in Portland until he took his shirt off. I was
at that game. That was actually my first Sounders
game. Really? Yeah, and then I was like... Were
you wearing the Timbers jersey you sent us a
picture of the other day? I'm going to burn it.
But were you wearing it? No, I was wearing a
Sounders shirt. I was wearing the Bruce Lee kit.
I mean, the guy that roots for OKC, to me, used
to have been a Timbers fan. That's all I'm saying.
All I'm going to say is that we got the ring.
Oh, yeah. OK, here's the thing, though. I have
a buddy that said that it's more than likely
Sonic's come back in two years or less. I mean,
hopefully the announcement's this summer. so
i i heard a homeless guy in an alley he told
me he was like oh yeah the sonics are coming
back like who knows man like i'm not believing
anything that anybody says until i see it you
know i'm not holding my breath i cannot trust
the nba that might have that might have been
um what what's the commissioner's name silver
adam and i'm adam silver that was in the alley
that you met no who was the one before him no
the one before him david you don't say his name
on this podcast Fuck David Stern. I was born
in 2003. Fuck Clay Bennett and fuck Howard Schultz.
Yes, yes, yes. I was born in 2003. I have no
ties to the Sonics yet. Well, you will. Once
they come back, yes. Because I'm not trying to
go to Portland and watch them play. I mean, I've
been... Wait, how did you get into OKC? I like
Shea. I like Shea and I like Chet because Chet
would play on Saga. Oh, even worse. That's fair.
That's not worse. Well, they don't win nothing.
I like Drew. Was it Drew Timmy? We call him Timmy's
Turner. He was probably the greatest center that
didn't go to the league. He had the stash going.
The Adam Morrison stash? That might be before
your time. Yeah, for sure it was. Yeah, I went
to Santa Clara and I'm a Husky fan, so of course
I hate Gonzaga. No, I mean, I started following
the NBA in 2015 when Curry, that year that the
Warriors won, Curry. I thought the NBA folded
in 2008. It still exists. The NBA? Yeah, I thought
all the teams just stopped playing. It was a
lockout. No, I'm saying the Sonics left the entire
league folded. Nothing happened after that. Only
in Seattle. Seattle, they isolated themselves.
Dan, are you a Rockets fan? No. No basketball?
I haven't watched basketball since like 1995.
At least you're not a Mavs fan. But those Rockets
teams were good back then. They were, weren't
they? There's a theme of Texas sports in 1995,
huh? Yeah. I was just about to say. Yeah. The
Sonics were good then, too. No, yeah. So I started
watching long after the Sonics were gone. Makes
sense, young 'un. Makes sense. Well, we'll get
the Sonics back. They'll win championships. The
Sounders will win championships. The Reign, Storm,
the Orcas. The Seawolves? The Orcas are the...
Sea Wolves. I love the Orcas. Oh, the Cricket.
Our Cricket team. No, no. That's awesome that
we have a Major League Cricket team. We do, we
do. The Thunderhawks. Seattle Sports is alive,
man. No, your basketball team, the Thunderhawks?
Yeah, the Superhawks. The Superhawks. They need
to win a championship. Yeah, we made it to the
Final Four. That's the best we've done. But yeah,
Superhawks, Minor League Champions. Here's the
thing. Hopefully, it turns into the G League
team. So, we'll see. We'll see what happens.
Imagine that, Cameron, the GM of a G League team.
No, Gary Payton's going to be the GM, but I do
hope to be an employee of the team. You can give
us all media passes. That's right. That's right.
When you guys do the Super Hawks Ultras podcast.
Shoot, I'll move over there if they need an employee.
Well, it's been fun, boys. Let's get out of here
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