WEBVTT 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:15.279 It's time for Scuttlebutt Ultras. Quick takes 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:17.920 from our Patreon Ultras sharing their soundest 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:21.500 thoughts straight from the heart. Your voice, 00:00:21.500 --> 00:00:35.399 your moment. We are back with another segment 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:39.329 of Scuttlebutt. what ultras i'm cameron collins 00:00:39.329 --> 00:00:42.689 i am here with dan the bastard uh who's got some 00:00:42.689 --> 00:00:47.030 spicy takes today i'm excited about uh what's 00:00:47.030 --> 00:00:49.670 up dan how you doing i'm doing great my job decided 00:00:49.670 --> 00:00:53.390 to pay me today so uh i have no complaints yeah 00:00:53.390 --> 00:00:55.530 that's always that's always a good thing to have 00:00:55.530 --> 00:00:59.130 money in your bank account yeah yeah being paid 00:00:59.130 --> 00:01:03.530 for the work i i enjoy that i wonder if the summer 00:01:03.530 --> 00:01:07.060 players enjoy that Oh, yeah, that's a good point. 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:09.900 Coming off a match where there was a protest, 00:01:09.980 --> 00:01:13.040 we were talking a little bit off mic. What are 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:16.480 your thoughts on the protest that just happened 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:19.680 at the match? I thought the protest was more 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:21.959 exciting than the game. Is that a fair take? 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:26.719 Yeah, I think it could be, yeah. So, you know, 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:30.859 I'm notoriously, especially online, hyperbolic 00:01:30.859 --> 00:01:34.959 and critical. I will say that I think there's 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:36.640 a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.379 us, the fans, and maybe even the news media, 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:41.120 we're just not privy to. There's a lot of unknowns. 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:44.359 And so it's unfair to just jump to conclusions 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:46.780 and get super upset at Adrian or the league. 00:01:49.260 --> 00:01:51.079 I'm going to workshop a term with you. I want 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:54.079 to call it the worker's razor. And so what I 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:58.000 mean by that is whenever there is a dispute between 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.780 owners and workers and there's gaps of information, 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:03.280 you side with the workers until you get the rest 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:06.560 of the information. And I think that's what I'm 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.479 doing here is I love the players. I don't love 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:12.800 the owner. I don't know the owner like other 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:14.599 people. I haven't been around the team long enough, 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:18.060 I guess. But anyways, I love the players. I root 00:02:18.060 --> 00:02:21.400 for the players and the badge. And I definitely 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.780 would like to see them at least be listened to 00:02:24.780 --> 00:02:29.139 by the league and ownership. Yeah. Yeah. And 00:02:29.139 --> 00:02:34.379 we see the article in Sound at Heart from Jeremiah 00:02:34.379 --> 00:02:38.419 O'Shan that did say that Adrian went in on the 00:02:38.419 --> 00:02:44.009 team. I'm curious, and really he found it disrespectful 00:02:44.009 --> 00:02:52.330 is what was said in that article. To me, if you're 00:02:52.330 --> 00:02:54.030 an owner in that situation, you kind of have 00:02:54.030 --> 00:02:56.870 to step back and realize that it's not necessarily 00:02:56.870 --> 00:02:59.669 about you. I mean, that didn't need to be viewed 00:02:59.669 --> 00:03:01.930 as aimed at him. There's only so much he can 00:03:01.930 --> 00:03:04.009 do as owner, right? It's a single entity league. 00:03:05.110 --> 00:03:07.830 That was a fine line I had to walk all the time, 00:03:07.930 --> 00:03:09.729 and I made it clear to the Sounders whenever, 00:03:10.409 --> 00:03:13.169 i'm protesting it's usually not the sounders 00:03:13.169 --> 00:03:14.990 it's the league when the iron front stuff was 00:03:14.990 --> 00:03:16.590 going on i wasn't throwing the sounders under 00:03:16.590 --> 00:03:18.710 the bus ever because i knew what they were doing 00:03:18.710 --> 00:03:21.229 behind the scenes i was i was going after the 00:03:21.229 --> 00:03:26.629 league and so i think uh the same kind of uh 00:03:26.629 --> 00:03:29.870 what you're saying we need to do with the players 00:03:29.870 --> 00:03:31.710 i think the ownership needs to do too and realize 00:03:31.710 --> 00:03:34.289 that they shouldn't be expected to play for nothing 00:03:34.289 --> 00:03:39.229 yeah it's um It's definitely frustrating. And 00:03:39.229 --> 00:03:41.449 there's been an undercurrent of, I don't know, 00:03:41.530 --> 00:03:44.389 the term bad vibes gets thrown around a lot. 00:03:44.389 --> 00:03:47.789 And I'm 40, so I think I maybe missed some of 00:03:47.789 --> 00:03:50.789 that lingo a little bit. But there's been this 00:03:50.789 --> 00:03:53.889 undercurrent of bad vibes or just upsetness. 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:58.159 mostly stemming from the fans uh here here lately 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.560 the past couple years but uh it seems like it 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:02.639 may be seeping in with the players too one of 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:04.919 the things i kept thinking about is as they were 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.120 talking about the the communication piece and 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:10.120 i think uh jackson on the radio mentioned multiple 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.539 times like hey the the biggest thing is is you 00:04:12.539 --> 00:04:15.560 know they need communication and uh that was 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:17.879 the same thing that lodero said was whenever 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:19.339 he was on his way out. I was like, hey, I didn't 00:04:19.339 --> 00:04:20.740 get that communication piece. That's the same 00:04:20.740 --> 00:04:23.540 thing Raul Ruiz Diaz says. Hey, I missed a communication 00:04:23.540 --> 00:04:25.699 piece. And I wonder if that's kind of becoming 00:04:25.699 --> 00:04:28.879 a trend is just there's a communication breakdown 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:31.120 between the top of the organization of the Sounders 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:33.480 and the players. And that leads to being on different 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:38.939 pages and that leads to being, you know, situations 00:04:38.939 --> 00:04:42.420 like this. One of the other things about that 00:04:42.420 --> 00:04:45.639 is You know, I was in the service for 21 years. 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:48.439 I was in the Air Force. So that may tell you 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:50.000 a little bit about where I'm going with this. 00:04:51.019 --> 00:04:54.879 I lose respect for anybody, any superior that 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.560 walks in and yells at his employees and throws 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:59.899 curse words out of his employees. I lose respect 00:04:59.899 --> 00:05:01.680 all over the place for that. No one should have 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.120 to work in an environment where they are berated 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:07.100 and cursed at. And if that actually did happen. 00:05:08.810 --> 00:05:11.029 I know it's sports and maybe locker room talk 00:05:11.029 --> 00:05:13.350 and stuff like that. But if owners are cursing 00:05:13.350 --> 00:05:16.490 at employees, to me, that's unacceptable. And 00:05:16.490 --> 00:05:19.970 I would lose a lot of respect for Adrian if that's 00:05:19.970 --> 00:05:26.589 true. Yeah. I mean, I have no doubt he's cursing 00:05:26.589 --> 00:05:28.209 about the situation. I don't know if he did it 00:05:28.209 --> 00:05:30.009 directly to the players. Obviously, we don't 00:05:30.009 --> 00:05:32.889 have that information. That would be a speculation. 00:05:34.110 --> 00:05:39.959 Yeah. Yeah. But I mean... It was before your 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:45.319 time, I believe, as a Sounders fan. But Eddie 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:48.259 Johnson, do you remember when Eddie Johnson did 00:05:48.259 --> 00:05:50.839 the show me the money sign on the field? No, 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.899 no. Tell me about that. So Eddie Johnson scored 00:05:54.899 --> 00:05:57.579 a goal and basically was like, pay me. Did like 00:05:57.579 --> 00:06:01.060 a money sign as he was running. And Adrian was 00:06:01.060 --> 00:06:05.740 very upset about it because he felt like it was 00:06:05.740 --> 00:06:10.110 upstaging him. and kind of making him look bad 00:06:10.110 --> 00:06:17.069 and uh i get it on both accounts um but obviously 00:06:17.069 --> 00:06:19.970 like you i'm going to side with players more 00:06:19.970 --> 00:06:22.389 often than not it's not the millionaires and 00:06:22.389 --> 00:06:24.129 billionaires that are entertaining us as much 00:06:24.129 --> 00:06:27.069 as they want to believe it uh and there's plenty 00:06:27.069 --> 00:06:28.930 of people behind the scenes doing amazing things 00:06:28.930 --> 00:06:31.410 i'm not referring to that i'm just saying i'm 00:06:31.410 --> 00:06:33.089 there to watch the product on the field and that 00:06:33.089 --> 00:06:35.689 product is the players yeah i'm not buying an 00:06:35.689 --> 00:06:39.769 adrian kid i'm i'm I'm buying a Pedro kid. Yeah. 00:06:39.870 --> 00:06:41.870 I mean, I'm grateful for all he's done for the 00:06:41.870 --> 00:06:43.629 soccer community. And, you know, I've gotten 00:06:43.629 --> 00:06:45.110 a chance to get to know him a little bit. And 00:06:45.110 --> 00:06:48.670 so maybe there's a little bias there, but it 00:06:48.670 --> 00:06:50.129 doesn't mean I have to agree with everything 00:06:50.129 --> 00:06:54.790 that he or the front office does. And I don't, 00:06:54.790 --> 00:06:57.209 obviously. I've spent a lot of time talking to 00:06:57.209 --> 00:06:59.550 them about things I don't agree with. And I think 00:06:59.550 --> 00:07:02.230 because of the relationship I have fostered with 00:07:02.230 --> 00:07:06.269 them. It has allowed me to have those conversations. 00:07:06.509 --> 00:07:09.629 And so you would think that the players would 00:07:09.629 --> 00:07:12.490 have some good faith just based on their performances 00:07:12.490 --> 00:07:14.970 alone, let alone what they've done for the team 00:07:14.970 --> 00:07:19.269 over the years and who they are as people. I 00:07:19.269 --> 00:07:21.389 think maybe because the locker room is so close, 00:07:21.410 --> 00:07:24.670 too, that maybe there's more solidarity in there 00:07:24.670 --> 00:07:28.810 than there usually would be. And it's also possible 00:07:28.810 --> 00:07:31.569 that Adrian's reaction has taken them by surprise 00:07:31.569 --> 00:07:36.389 a little bit, thinking that he would, in public, 00:07:36.470 --> 00:07:37.889 in the locker room, maybe support them a little 00:07:37.889 --> 00:07:40.509 bit more. Or maybe something happened beforehand 00:07:40.509 --> 00:07:42.910 and they're upset with Adrian, too. And that 00:07:42.910 --> 00:07:45.709 goes back to just, we don't know and I want to 00:07:45.709 --> 00:07:49.670 support them. I would like one of the reporters 00:07:49.670 --> 00:07:53.670 to ask. one of the players next time, you know, 00:07:53.689 --> 00:07:55.209 this comes up and one of the immediate scrums 00:07:55.209 --> 00:07:57.329 is because this topic isn't going away. And if 00:07:57.329 --> 00:08:01.680 you're, if you're on. Twitter or Discord or any 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:04.680 of the message boards, I think there's a lot 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:07.300 of support from the fans for the players. And 00:08:07.300 --> 00:08:08.759 I think there's a lot of fans who would like 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:11.000 to know how the players would like us to support 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.379 them in this. Is it buying the shirts? I've seen 00:08:14.379 --> 00:08:16.860 some of the shirts posted in our Discord to go 00:08:16.860 --> 00:08:18.300 out and buy. Now, I don't know who's selling 00:08:18.300 --> 00:08:20.240 them. I don't know where that money is going 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.019 to. But is there something like that? Is that 00:08:24.019 --> 00:08:27.620 what the players want us to do? Just how do they 00:08:27.620 --> 00:08:29.879 want us to support them? because I'd be willing 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:34.559 to do it. Yeah, that's a great question. And 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.559 part of it, you can always call your ticket rep 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.200 if you're a seasoned ticket holder and tell them 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:42.179 what you think. Usually on business side of things, 00:08:42.299 --> 00:08:44.639 they don't listen, but in this instance, they 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.960 might because it's such a high profile issue. 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:50.019 Well, maybe I'll just add that right after I 00:08:50.019 --> 00:08:51.740 get done calling my senators today, I'll give 00:08:51.740 --> 00:08:56.139 them a call too. Perfect. Why don't we talk about 00:08:56.139 --> 00:08:59.879 the match a little bit since we are a Sounders 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:01.960 podcast and I could talk about this for hours, 00:09:02.139 --> 00:09:06.240 but what was your takeaway? Because I think this 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.559 will again come back to maybe Adrian Hanauer 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.759 and money for you. What was your takeaway from 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:17.620 a 3 -2 loss to Minnesota where the score looked 00:09:17.620 --> 00:09:21.320 much closer than the play on the field? So I 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:23.519 made a mistake before the game. I didn't sit 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:26.720 down and watch Minnesota. I'm busy. I'll typically 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:28.620 watch the Sounders. I'll watch some Premier League 00:09:28.620 --> 00:09:30.860 stuff, but I won't just sit and don't have time 00:09:30.860 --> 00:09:35.240 to watch all the different MLS games. So I made 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.440 a mistake. I listened to the talking heads and 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:41.620 I looked at the stats and the analytics and I 00:09:41.620 --> 00:09:42.879 was like, hey, feeling pretty good about the 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:45.919 Sounders game. And 10 minutes into the game, 00:09:45.980 --> 00:09:49.279 I was like, oh, I made a mistake. And I think 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:51.019 the Sounders felt the same way about 10 minutes 00:09:51.019 --> 00:09:56.549 into the game, too. The Minnesota plays, especially 00:09:56.549 --> 00:09:58.789 at Lumen Field, they play Seattle Sounders kryptonite 00:09:58.789 --> 00:10:05.169 because we cannot do anything against eight, 00:10:05.250 --> 00:10:07.690 nine men on the box. And then the way Minnesota 00:10:07.690 --> 00:10:10.009 can counter out of that, especially whenever 00:10:10.009 --> 00:10:14.830 we're – our offense was so hamstrung, if I can 00:10:14.830 --> 00:10:18.409 use a word popular with Sounders fans. That we 00:10:18.409 --> 00:10:20.889 were pushing our right quarterback up and playing 00:10:20.889 --> 00:10:24.350 him as an extra man putting crosses into a box 00:10:24.350 --> 00:10:29.850 with nobody crashing the box. So going into the 00:10:29.850 --> 00:10:31.590 season, I was pretty vocal. And after this game, 00:10:31.730 --> 00:10:34.169 I think I'm still going to remain vocal that 00:10:34.169 --> 00:10:36.450 the Sounders are a really good team, but they're 00:10:36.450 --> 00:10:39.649 not a great team. And they're missing a piece 00:10:39.649 --> 00:10:42.210 that will allow them to break down teams like 00:10:42.210 --> 00:10:49.929 Minnesota. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it seems maybe 00:10:49.929 --> 00:10:53.110 teams have figured it out in that way. Well, 00:10:53.330 --> 00:10:55.190 it's been going on for three years now, right? 00:10:55.769 --> 00:10:59.429 It isn't just this year. It isn't just this game. 00:10:59.590 --> 00:11:03.049 It's going back a couple years that teams, even 00:11:03.049 --> 00:11:04.970 bad teams, can come sit down in a low block, 00:11:05.029 --> 00:11:06.929 and I get it. Low blocks are hard to break down. 00:11:07.580 --> 00:11:09.240 But if they were impossible, every team would 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.000 sit in a low block while they're away. And that 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.580 just doesn't happen. There's other teams in the 00:11:13.580 --> 00:11:16.320 LMLS that can beat a low block. And I think the 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.779 Sounders, hopefully, I'm sure they are working 00:11:18.779 --> 00:11:20.679 on it. You hear them using the words like exciting 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:22.840 and attack whenever they're talking about bringing 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.740 in players. So it's something that you know they're 00:11:25.740 --> 00:11:27.379 working on, something that they're conscious 00:11:27.379 --> 00:11:30.000 of. I'm just impatient. I want to see it happen 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:37.199 faster. Yeah. You know, it's amazing how... much 00:11:37.199 --> 00:11:40.539 offense it seems like we should be able to generate 00:11:40.539 --> 00:11:43.919 based on not maybe not against minnesota but 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:45.860 based on possession based on the talent we have 00:11:45.860 --> 00:11:48.799 out there but we don't have that piece that can 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:51.919 kick it into the goal we i wonder if we fall 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:55.820 into a trap of overvaluating some of our players 00:11:55.820 --> 00:11:58.700 talent levels especially since we have a group 00:11:58.700 --> 00:12:02.120 of guys that are absolutely lovable right is 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:03.799 there is there anybody on this team that you 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:06.019 know just doesn't seem like a good person and 00:12:06.019 --> 00:12:07.460 somebody that you wouldn't like to have a beer 00:12:07.460 --> 00:12:10.399 with or right everyone on this team there's usually 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:12.700 a player on every Seattle team I hate and there 00:12:12.700 --> 00:12:16.600 is none on this one yeah I there's there's none 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.980 so I you know and that that makes it harder to 00:12:20.980 --> 00:12:23.539 say that I love all the players but still think 00:12:23.539 --> 00:12:26.340 that we're we're missing some sort of final touch 00:12:26.340 --> 00:12:29.519 that would move us from being a fourth fifth 00:12:30.190 --> 00:12:34.129 best team in the west to a first second best 00:12:34.129 --> 00:12:41.350 team in the west yeah yeah i mean i think part 00:12:41.350 --> 00:12:43.889 of that is you look you look at the results we 00:12:43.889 --> 00:12:48.230 get down the stretch and it reinforces every 00:12:48.230 --> 00:12:52.590 year that maybe we don't need to spend well it's 00:12:52.590 --> 00:12:53.990 because we have one of the best coaches in the 00:12:53.990 --> 00:13:00.659 league um That helps. And it's hard to say whenever 00:13:00.659 --> 00:13:04.620 you have a team that is good, and they get hot 00:13:04.620 --> 00:13:06.159 at the end, it's hard to say, well, who do you 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.820 want to replace? I mean, even looking at the 00:13:08.820 --> 00:13:12.720 roster right now, I don't know which in the attacking 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:16.539 band I want to yank off and put my unnamed superstar 00:13:16.539 --> 00:13:20.120 that we conceptualize to be that piece that's 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:23.740 going to turn us into a top one, top two team. 00:13:25.450 --> 00:13:30.889 I don't know who I would yank off. Yeah. I mean, 00:13:30.929 --> 00:13:33.509 I think it's easier with injuries right now, 00:13:33.610 --> 00:13:36.149 but this is why before the season I was calling 00:13:36.149 --> 00:13:39.970 for, I mean, he's injured and also wasn't playing 00:13:39.970 --> 00:13:41.870 as well this year as last year, but a Gabriel 00:13:41.870 --> 00:13:47.090 Peck type player, a 10 to 12 million level DP 00:13:47.090 --> 00:13:50.149 young player that could come in and develop into 00:13:50.149 --> 00:13:53.509 a superstar. I mean, De La Vega may be that, 00:13:53.590 --> 00:13:57.149 but... And I'm guessing it was Botafogo. Did 00:13:57.149 --> 00:13:59.230 you see the reports that one of the teams in 00:13:59.230 --> 00:14:01.750 the Club World Cup were interested? Yeah, I did 00:14:01.750 --> 00:14:03.250 notice. I'll have to go back and rewatch it, 00:14:03.289 --> 00:14:06.509 but I'm pretty sure Craig Weibel said that they 00:14:06.509 --> 00:14:09.850 have shown interest in the past. And so I kind 00:14:09.850 --> 00:14:12.210 of took it to mean like maybe they're not knocking 00:14:12.210 --> 00:14:14.450 down the door for him right now, but they were 00:14:14.450 --> 00:14:16.769 one of the teams in the past. And it could still 00:14:16.769 --> 00:14:19.049 be because, you know, teams like to scout. players 00:14:19.049 --> 00:14:21.590 long term and uh there's there's a term in the 00:14:21.590 --> 00:14:23.129 scouting world if you've seen a player do it 00:14:23.129 --> 00:14:26.669 once he's going to do it again yeah yeah and 00:14:26.669 --> 00:14:28.210 and it could have been before his injury too 00:14:28.210 --> 00:14:30.370 when he was on his way to being an argentinian 00:14:30.370 --> 00:14:33.470 darling well uh before it kind of set him back 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:36.470 but uh my guess is it could have been botafogo 00:14:36.470 --> 00:14:39.789 because otherwise i mean he could be on the radar 00:14:39.789 --> 00:14:42.690 of psg and atletico madrid but that's a big step 00:14:42.690 --> 00:14:47.669 yeah and uh You know, talk of, I know that there's 00:14:47.669 --> 00:14:52.070 been reporting that we could move him sooner 00:14:52.070 --> 00:14:54.610 rather than later and free up that DP spot. But 00:14:54.610 --> 00:14:56.730 again, I think I would be a little bit sad to 00:14:56.730 --> 00:14:59.190 see De La Vega go, even though he hasn't blossomed 00:14:59.190 --> 00:15:03.809 into the game -changing player that we hope that 00:15:03.809 --> 00:15:07.129 he can be. I would really like for him to do 00:15:07.129 --> 00:15:09.429 that with us. But if we can get some of the money 00:15:09.429 --> 00:15:11.450 back and then... turn that back into another 00:15:11.450 --> 00:15:14.330 transfer fee. That's the important part. It's 00:15:14.330 --> 00:15:16.370 one thing to sell a player. It's another thing 00:15:16.370 --> 00:15:21.750 to go back and replace the player. I'd be curious 00:15:21.750 --> 00:15:25.570 though, if he maybe is doing what he's expected 00:15:25.570 --> 00:15:27.769 to do and there's just no one to score. I mean, 00:15:27.789 --> 00:15:29.750 he's going to score some goals, but you see him 00:15:29.750 --> 00:15:31.750 do some incredible things. And then we just have 00:15:31.750 --> 00:15:35.309 no real presence in the box. In fact, the only 00:15:35.309 --> 00:15:38.169 time we scored in that game was when we did a, 00:15:38.230 --> 00:15:44.879 he had, a nice little ground cross to the back 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:46.940 of the box, which that's when we had Christian 00:15:46.940 --> 00:15:48.759 on the wing. That's how he would score. He'd 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:51.600 come in in that late run and they'd know to pass 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:53.779 it to that point and he would score. And that's 00:15:53.779 --> 00:15:55.299 something that historically the Sounders have 00:15:55.299 --> 00:15:56.700 been great at, but we haven't been doing it all 00:15:56.700 --> 00:15:59.220 this year. Yeah. And it's, again, we're playing 00:15:59.220 --> 00:16:02.899 with Moose and Jesus Ferreira up top because 00:16:02.899 --> 00:16:07.759 we're missing Jordan. You know, he's looked good, 00:16:07.940 --> 00:16:11.759 and soccer's a team sport, and you need to have 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:13.059 somebody there on the other end of the pass. 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.080 So that's a fair statement with Pedro and maybe 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:20.120 what they want him to do is give me those crossings. 00:16:20.139 --> 00:16:21.960 There were a lot of crosses coming in Sunday, 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.179 and just nobody was there in the box. A lot of 00:16:24.179 --> 00:16:25.899 good crosses, and there just wasn't somebody 00:16:25.899 --> 00:16:28.100 there on the other end ready to receive it and 00:16:28.100 --> 00:16:32.299 put it in. Ryan Kent had an incredible one over 00:16:32.299 --> 00:16:35.919 the top. Danny Mazovsky and he just couldn't 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:38.320 get on the end of it. But it was like perfectly 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.960 placed right in between the defenders, right 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.259 to Danny. And I was like, oh my God, this guy 00:16:43.259 --> 00:16:45.620 is incredible. Yeah, he's still exciting. I know 00:16:45.620 --> 00:16:47.580 some people have talked about him, you know, 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:49.940 not being as exciting playing whole games, you 00:16:49.940 --> 00:16:53.220 know, as he was against St. Louis. But I think 00:16:53.220 --> 00:16:54.740 there's a lot of potential there. Maybe that's 00:16:54.740 --> 00:16:56.500 what's so frustrating too, is we look at this 00:16:56.500 --> 00:16:58.500 roster and we just see potential all over the 00:16:58.500 --> 00:17:02.700 place. And we can't break down a low block. Now, 00:17:02.779 --> 00:17:04.339 a lot of people haven't been able to break down 00:17:04.339 --> 00:17:06.720 Minnesota's low block. So they are a good team. 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.460 They are the second place team in the West. Now, 00:17:09.660 --> 00:17:14.559 just behind Vancouver for first. And I don't 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:16.599 think they're unbeatable. I don't even think 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:18.839 they're unbeatable for a Sounders team that notoriously 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.619 is bad at breaking down a low block. Because 00:17:21.619 --> 00:17:24.440 that's one of the things Brian's shown the ability 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:27.579 to do is look at film. and come back on a second 00:17:27.579 --> 00:17:30.000 time and have a completely different game. Look 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:32.039 at how different the San Diego game was the second 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:35.839 time. Now, it was a hard game. It was my favorite 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:42.480 game of the year because it was a fight. But 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.980 he still did it. The same thing with L .A. in 00:17:44.980 --> 00:17:48.019 the playoffs. What was it? Was that last year, 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.220 right? Where we beat LA in the playoffs, sent 00:17:50.220 --> 00:17:53.359 them home after they ate our lunch four or five 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.619 times during the season. And so I do have, where 00:17:57.619 --> 00:18:00.980 I have faith in this organization is with Brian 00:18:00.980 --> 00:18:03.380 and his ability to figure stuff out. And that's 00:18:03.380 --> 00:18:05.900 probably a testament to why we do tend at the 00:18:05.900 --> 00:18:08.079 end of the year to get things back together. 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.599 So the rational part of me is not worried all 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:16.359 that much about this Minnesota game. My heart, 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:18.940 though, is like, man, I wish we had something 00:18:18.940 --> 00:18:22.180 that could just turn us into an elite team. Because 00:18:22.180 --> 00:18:26.339 I feel like we're close. Yeah. So before we get 00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:29.339 out of here, real quick, we got Sunday night 00:18:29.339 --> 00:18:33.319 football. Again, 3 p .m. start in Vancouver this 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:37.329 Sunday against a... Vancouver team that is licking 00:18:37.329 --> 00:18:40.190 their wounds after getting absolutely demolished 00:18:40.190 --> 00:18:45.549 by Cruz Azul in the CONCACAF Champions Cup Final. 00:18:45.750 --> 00:18:51.289 I can't get over CCC instead of CCL. What rumor 00:18:51.289 --> 00:18:55.190 has it that they aren't going to be full roster 00:18:55.190 --> 00:18:57.809 -wise because they've got players away on international 00:18:57.809 --> 00:19:01.230 duty. What is your thinking coming out of this 00:19:01.230 --> 00:19:04.269 Minnesota game going into a clearly not a must 00:19:04.269 --> 00:19:06.390 -win game, but... against one of your rivals, 00:19:06.630 --> 00:19:11.349 a chance to bounce back? You know, season -wise, 00:19:11.450 --> 00:19:16.309 standing -wise, the game is, you know, it's always 00:19:16.309 --> 00:19:19.150 helpful to win the game, but I don't think it's 00:19:19.150 --> 00:19:21.869 a make or break for the season. Vibe -wise and 00:19:21.869 --> 00:19:24.529 where we're at just in our psyche and probably 00:19:24.529 --> 00:19:27.450 the team psyche, I think it's a really important 00:19:27.450 --> 00:19:30.309 game. Confidence -wise to go out there and beat 00:19:30.309 --> 00:19:33.190 a team that is good, but is missing all their 00:19:33.190 --> 00:19:37.750 good players. You know, I've heard that it could 00:19:37.750 --> 00:19:40.470 be up to nine of their starters missing out. 00:19:41.529 --> 00:19:43.390 That would be incredible. Yeah, you're playing 00:19:43.390 --> 00:19:46.349 Vancouver 2 at that point, right? You know, that's 00:19:46.349 --> 00:19:48.849 not really. They have backups, and obviously 00:19:48.849 --> 00:19:51.250 they're still good enough in soccer to be backups, 00:19:51.390 --> 00:19:54.210 which is saying a lot. So they're going to be 00:19:54.210 --> 00:19:55.470 going up against the athletes. They're going 00:19:55.470 --> 00:19:57.250 to be going up against some players that are 00:19:57.250 --> 00:19:59.829 probably younger and hungry. But I think it's 00:19:59.829 --> 00:20:02.549 very important for the Sounders to come out and, 00:20:02.569 --> 00:20:05.779 you know, getting three points isn't going to 00:20:05.779 --> 00:20:07.680 fix everything, but it's going to go a long way 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.240 and having some good feelings and probably helping 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.059 with the chemistry too, with the team, especially 00:20:13.059 --> 00:20:15.279 going into the world cup. I'm sure we'll talk 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:17.519 about it next week or one of the weeks coming 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:23.079 up, but yeah, I'm not. I'm not super excited 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:24.759 for the World Cup. I know a lot of people are, 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:28.339 and it's okay for... I will admit that sometimes 00:20:28.339 --> 00:20:30.460 I have opinions that are way outside the norm, 00:20:30.539 --> 00:20:32.700 and that's probably one of them. So I think it's 00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:34.519 really important. I mean, I don't think Sounders 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:37.160 fans are excited for Sounders matches necessarily, 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:40.680 but I do think... Like I'm excited for it, just 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:42.779 not necessarily for the sound. That's the way 00:20:42.779 --> 00:20:45.460 to say it. I'm not excited to see the sounders, 00:20:45.460 --> 00:20:47.700 but now I'm excited that like, how cool is it? 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:49.319 The Roth rocks is going to be on the field versus 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.619 PSG, right? Like that is, yeah, I'm excited for 00:20:52.619 --> 00:20:57.759 Roth rock. I'm excited for the players. I'm not 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:00.579 excited to turn the TV on and watch us get smashed. 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:09.019 Yeah, I think it's going to be scary. So, but 00:21:09.019 --> 00:21:11.220 that just goes back into, I think that this Vancouver 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:14.220 game, especially with the club world coming up, 00:21:14.380 --> 00:21:17.279 and even though we know that the outcomes are 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:19.200 not going to be good from the club world cup, 00:21:19.460 --> 00:21:22.599 it still does not feel good to lose. It still 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:23.960 does not feel good to sit there and watch your 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:25.779 team lose. And so I think it's important to go 00:21:25.779 --> 00:21:29.170 into this on a high. If we come up and we lay 00:21:29.170 --> 00:21:31.269 an egg against Vancouver and then go get smashed 00:21:31.269 --> 00:21:33.910 for three games in the Club World Cup, I believe 00:21:33.910 --> 00:21:37.289 we start playback at home versus Austin. And, 00:21:37.289 --> 00:21:40.730 you know, that's another team that likes to come 00:21:40.730 --> 00:21:46.130 into Lumen and bunker. And, you know, we famously 00:21:46.130 --> 00:21:48.730 take, you know, 15 shots on target and still 00:21:48.730 --> 00:21:55.599 don't score. Yep. Absolutely. So I think vibe 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:58.339 wise, this is a very important game and I expect 00:21:58.339 --> 00:22:01.579 them to, I expect for a mature Sounders team 00:22:01.579 --> 00:22:04.640 to come out there and win the game. Yeah. I'd 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:07.059 love to see it. Well, thank you, Dan. They can 00:22:07.059 --> 00:22:11.599 find you on the discord, Dan, the bastard. Yeah. 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.359 Come check me out on the discord. Yeah. You have 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:18.160 some, some great takes and, and. Even when we're 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:20.000 bantering back and forth, don't think I'm necessarily 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:22.039 disagreeing with you. I'm just offering information. 00:22:22.619 --> 00:22:25.279 I'm glad we get to close on this. This is a great 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:26.940 thing to close on. If you're listening to this 00:22:26.940 --> 00:22:29.059 and you're not on the Discord, you need to get 00:22:29.059 --> 00:22:32.039 on the Discord because the information that we 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:34.019 get on the Discord from the Alliance Council, 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:35.819 I mean, it's not super secret sauce, but it's 00:22:35.819 --> 00:22:38.420 insight that you won't get anywhere else. And 00:22:38.420 --> 00:22:42.279 it will help you have a better informed view 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:44.200 of what's going on with the Sounders. So I really 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:48.059 appreciate that. Yeah, it's it's been so much 00:22:48.059 --> 00:22:50.400 fun to create the great little community there 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:53.859 and have you all involved. I mean, this lately, 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:57.500 based on results, this has been my favorite part 00:22:57.500 --> 00:22:59.559 of the show is getting to record with you right 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:03.559 here in the ultra segment. Awesome. Glad to hear 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:06.140 it. So cool. All right. Well, we'll talk to you 00:23:06.140 --> 00:23:32.059 soon. See you later. We are back with Alex Diaz 00:23:32.059 --> 00:23:36.980 here on Scuttlebutt Ultras, the segment of Sounders 00:23:36.980 --> 00:23:39.200 Scuttlebutt. I'm one of your hosts, Cameron Collins. 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:40.880 Alex, what is up today? Hey, Cameron. How's it 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:46.519 going? Not too bad. Got a chance to hang out 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.900 a bit with you at the match this past Sunday. 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:51.759 That was fun until my dad showed up and I had 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:53.819 to run away. Did you win anything? No, we didn't 00:23:53.819 --> 00:23:56.299 win anything, but there was this lady that won 00:23:56.299 --> 00:24:01.799 like twice or three times. Whoa. That's a complete 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.279 random raffle, too. Yeah, I was going to say, 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:08.680 she already won one. Let someone else win. Well, 00:24:09.619 --> 00:24:10.759 hopefully she had a kid with her. Yeah, I think 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:16.039 she had three tickets in total. Okay, good. Then 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:18.900 at least she can spread love around. How are 00:24:18.900 --> 00:24:21.019 you feeling about that match against Minnesota? 00:24:22.190 --> 00:24:24.529 I mean, yeah, Minnesota, that's who we played. 00:24:24.569 --> 00:24:26.269 I forgot Mariners played Minnesota too, so it's 00:24:26.269 --> 00:24:28.569 all very confusing. I guess 2 -1 for my prediction, 00:24:28.650 --> 00:24:32.829 but I guess we called the baseball game. Yeah. 00:24:33.390 --> 00:24:36.890 But in the first half, I got a lot of deja vu 00:24:36.890 --> 00:24:41.589 from Houston when we played them at home, that 00:24:41.589 --> 00:24:46.509 0 -0 draw, where we had possession. We just couldn't 00:24:46.509 --> 00:24:52.000 find a way to break down their low block. And 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:55.039 then in the second half, everything just, you 00:24:55.039 --> 00:25:01.880 know, like, broke down. Counterattacks. And then, 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:07.019 well, we were able to score, but we were already 00:25:07.019 --> 00:25:13.200 down. Like, it took us to go down 2 -0 to claw 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:22.079 back into the game. Like, wake us up. Do you 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.160 think there was anything that you saw there that 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:29.140 shows us that the Sounders could come back in 00:25:29.140 --> 00:25:38.140 a game like that? I think so. It's just hard 00:25:38.140 --> 00:25:41.660 once you go down 3 -1 in the second half. And 00:25:41.660 --> 00:25:44.819 there was, to me, there was a lack of urgency. 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.220 Like when the ball went out on a goal kick, our 00:25:48.220 --> 00:25:50.079 players, instead of running to get the ball to 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:55.230 the goalie, On the sixth, they just slowly walked 00:25:55.230 --> 00:25:59.069 away, and their goalie was able to milk at least 00:25:59.069 --> 00:26:01.309 20 to 30 seconds every time he had a goal kick. 00:26:05.210 --> 00:26:07.849 Yeah, I was counting, and one time he took 12 00:26:07.849 --> 00:26:10.670 seconds from the time he laid the ball down until 00:26:10.670 --> 00:26:12.950 he kicked it, which is clearly against the rules, 00:26:13.069 --> 00:26:15.450 but the ref didn't seem to want to enforce that. 00:26:15.569 --> 00:26:20.859 Yeah, we see that. That's very common. In all 00:26:20.859 --> 00:26:22.619 the leagues where the refs don't really want 00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:25.460 to enforce how much time the goalie takes when 00:26:25.460 --> 00:26:28.640 he's either, you know, he has to play it out 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.420 when it's in play or like a goal kick. They don't 00:26:31.420 --> 00:26:34.019 really want to enforce that, but they're going 00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:36.039 to enforce the eight -second rule in Club World 00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:38.380 Cup where if the goalie holds it, the ball long 00:26:38.380 --> 00:26:40.480 for eight seconds, then it's going to be a corner 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:44.579 kick for the opposite team. But we'll see if 00:26:44.579 --> 00:26:53.690 it actually gets enforced. It's a much less penalizing 00:26:53.690 --> 00:26:55.930 play in that instance, so hopefully it will. 00:26:56.150 --> 00:27:02.910 Yeah. But that's what I took away, was just a 00:27:02.910 --> 00:27:05.849 lack of urgency. And then once we went down, 00:27:05.930 --> 00:27:12.390 there was some urgency. But there still felt 00:27:12.390 --> 00:27:17.130 like we could have done more. Do you think that 00:27:17.130 --> 00:27:19.579 lethargy had anything to do with... kind of the 00:27:19.579 --> 00:27:24.380 dispute over the Club World Cup pay, or do you 00:27:24.380 --> 00:27:26.859 think it's just a lot of games and a lot of days? 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:31.759 I think it's a little bit of both because our 00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:35.940 lineup wasn't too rotated. We had some rotation, 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:41.359 but Kalani started, he scored, and then we brought 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:43.839 Georgie off the bench and he scored the own goal. 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:50.480 But later in the interview that... was put on 00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:52.680 the discord you could see that christian and 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.640 fry and everyone there was saying that like the 00:27:55.640 --> 00:28:00.039 whole protest it is a distraction and it's it's 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:01.859 in the back of their minds as they're trying 00:28:01.859 --> 00:28:04.559 to concentrate on the match but in the back of 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:06.519 their mind they're thinking like i have this 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.299 there's this tournament coming up that i don't 00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:13.220 get no benefit of the prize money yeah i'm the 00:28:13.220 --> 00:28:17.200 reason why we're even in the competition But 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:21.000 we can reap the rewards. And if we have a season 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.900 -ending injury and we're on a contract year, 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.900 the club can just say, you know what, we've got 00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:35.720 to part ways with you. Yeah. Absolutely. And, 00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:39.279 you know, I honestly don't think it's distracting 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.420 in that it's going to make them play less hard 00:28:41.420 --> 00:28:46.859 during the match. But, you know, There may be 00:28:46.859 --> 00:28:48.980 a little bit of disgruntledness there. I think 00:28:48.980 --> 00:28:51.019 where we'll really see it is in the Club World 00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:55.880 Cup if there's not something done about this 00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:58.339 before then. And, I mean, we're two weeks away, 00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:02.359 right? Yeah, less than two weeks away. And the 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:06.059 thing is that the club and the league has known 00:29:06.059 --> 00:29:07.940 that we were going to participate in this tournament 00:29:07.940 --> 00:29:12.440 for over two years. The prize money got announced, 00:29:12.500 --> 00:29:16.670 I want to say, six months ago maybe. So we knew 00:29:16.670 --> 00:29:22.089 that it was coming. And the player's voice that 00:29:22.089 --> 00:29:23.950 they wanted... Yeah, Fry's been talking about 00:29:23.950 --> 00:29:25.910 it. Yeah, and he said that he's been trying to 00:29:25.910 --> 00:29:29.289 have discussions behind closed doors. So there's 00:29:29.289 --> 00:29:31.950 not this kind of noise and buzz that the media 00:29:31.950 --> 00:29:35.250 will pick up. But they made it seem like when 00:29:35.250 --> 00:29:37.609 they want to have those conversations, they're 00:29:37.609 --> 00:29:41.829 just being brushed off. Like they're saying, 00:29:41.930 --> 00:29:44.519 oh, we'll get to it later. And then later they 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.460 keep pushing it back. And then now it's like, 00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:50.720 well, it's going to be in two weeks. And we have 00:29:50.720 --> 00:30:00.019 no idea what's going to happen. Exactly. Exactly. 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.519 I mean, it's a chance for players to shine on 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.420 an international stage. So for some of them, 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:09.339 it can be good. That's the same idea as hiring 00:30:09.339 --> 00:30:11.759 an intern and not paying them, right? Interns 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:13.339 need to get paid too because labor is labor. 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.680 Yeah, or it's almost as if you let go of someone 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.799 that has been in the company for 15 years to 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.359 hire a new hire that you can pay less to do the 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:30.599 exact same job. Yeah, exactly. So do you think 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.680 there'll be any hangover from that as we head 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.759 into Sunday against Vancouver? a depleted Vancouver 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:42.619 who also got absolutely smacked in the CONCACAF 00:30:42.619 --> 00:30:45.740 Champions Cup final, but probably looking to 00:30:45.740 --> 00:30:49.480 rebound before the tournament that we're playing 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:55.319 in coming up. I think that both teams will have 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.099 some sort of hangover, but I think Seattle is 00:30:58.099 --> 00:31:02.230 going to come with like... They smelled blood 00:31:02.230 --> 00:31:04.670 in the water because they were really frustrated 00:31:04.670 --> 00:31:11.109 with how the game played out on Sunday. And then, 00:31:11.130 --> 00:31:12.930 well, Vancouver's obviously frustrated because, 00:31:12.990 --> 00:31:16.430 you know, they were really looking forward to 00:31:16.430 --> 00:31:20.210 this final against Cruz Azul. And to lose out 00:31:20.210 --> 00:31:24.450 the way that they did, it's just shocking. Like, 00:31:24.490 --> 00:31:32.259 I didn't expect it to be that bad. Who's the 00:31:32.259 --> 00:31:41.559 dog making a cameo right now? That was Apollo 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:46.539 making another appearance. What up, Apollo? Gotta 00:31:46.539 --> 00:31:55.599 let him out. Yeah. It's okay. We love the animals 00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:57.940 making guest appearances on the podcast. It's 00:31:57.940 --> 00:32:02.440 always fun. Do you think this is a crucial three 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.740 points for the Sounders going into the Club World 00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:07.599 Cup? Oh, yeah. And it's even bigger now with 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:09.279 all the media attention they got with the protest. 00:32:10.059 --> 00:32:12.019 Like now if they don't get results going their 00:32:12.019 --> 00:32:14.920 way, then they're going to say, why should we 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:16.740 pay you when you're not winning games in the 00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:19.359 league? Like I know it sucks to say that, but 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.500 that's going to be the other side of the argument. 00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:27.299 It's like you guys are too distracted with this 00:32:27.299 --> 00:32:29.539 prize money that you guys aren't able to focus 00:32:29.539 --> 00:32:34.009 on getting results. Like, I'll take a draw at 00:32:34.009 --> 00:32:38.569 Vancouver. But they're going to be missing, what's 00:32:38.569 --> 00:32:40.349 their, Berhalter's going to be gone on international 00:32:40.349 --> 00:32:44.589 duty. They're going to have some hangover from 00:32:44.589 --> 00:32:50.230 the Global Cup run and the final. Like, I think 00:32:50.230 --> 00:32:52.170 this is a good opportunity for the Sounders to 00:32:52.170 --> 00:32:56.390 pounce and, like, almost kick them when they're 00:32:56.390 --> 00:33:04.019 down. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things 00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:06.180 that I feel like the Sounders haven't done this 00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:11.240 season. Like Dallas, missing players, and we 00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:14.519 did end up winning 1 -0, but it took a penalty 00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.079 to do that. We weren't able to pounce on the 00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.200 team. And so this feels like another opportunity 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.180 to do so, and they need to figure out a way to 00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:28.140 take advantage of it. Yeah. especially because 00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:30.119 if we're able to take points from Vancouver, 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:34.079 it gives us a better chance to move up the table. 00:33:34.859 --> 00:33:39.819 And we had an opportunity to beat, I think, either 00:33:39.819 --> 00:33:42.980 in third or second if we got a result on Sunday's 00:33:42.980 --> 00:33:46.500 game, but obviously the game didn't go our way. 00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:51.740 So hopefully we're able to stop, get some points 00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:55.059 against Vancouver, and that just closes the gap. 00:33:59.470 --> 00:34:01.710 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, three points would 00:34:01.710 --> 00:34:04.130 be ideal, but at this point, you take any points. 00:34:04.670 --> 00:34:10.329 Just trying to stay on task or on pace with them 00:34:10.329 --> 00:34:14.190 as they're in first place. Before we get out 00:34:14.190 --> 00:34:15.570 of here, is there anything else you want to hit 00:34:15.570 --> 00:34:26.150 on Sounders topics? You know, it's kind of funny 00:34:26.150 --> 00:34:30.409 that when I look at it, that Seattle... to be 00:34:30.409 --> 00:34:33.250 in Club World Cup. Yeah, we got the hardest group 00:34:33.250 --> 00:34:41.530 out of the MLS teams. Yeah, it's rough. LAFC 00:34:41.530 --> 00:34:46.150 got the easiest and they only made it on arguably 00:34:46.150 --> 00:34:50.610 a technicality. Yeah, and then the boys over 00:34:50.610 --> 00:34:57.190 in Miami got an easy group too. And then... Well, 00:34:57.369 --> 00:34:59.900 theirs is pretty hard. if you think about the 00:34:59.900 --> 00:35:03.159 Brazilian teams being good, but it's not as hard 00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:04.900 as ours, I think. Oh, yeah. We got to play against 00:35:04.900 --> 00:35:08.820 the European champions that demolished one of 00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:11.179 the best Italian sides we've seen in a while, 00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:15.000 5 -0. We got to play against arguably one of 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.840 the most hardworking and defensive teams in Spain. 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:21.800 And then we got to play against a Brazil team 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:26.780 that just won. Was there Copa Libertadores? Was 00:35:26.780 --> 00:35:32.519 it last year? Yeah. So we got to play. Yeah. 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:37.059 Early beginning of our season. Yeah. Cause I 00:35:37.059 --> 00:35:39.599 do remember cause we were looking at their number 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:45.059 nine to try to sign them. Yeah. But we got D 00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:52.500 row. Exactly. I mean, he, he had some good play 00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:55.360 out there, but he's not, you know, 10 million. 00:35:55.460 --> 00:35:59.179 No, he's a. A diamond in the rough. We got to 00:35:59.179 --> 00:36:02.699 polish him up. But I think if we give him time, 00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:10.760 he'll be a good player. Yeah, absolutely. Well, 00:36:10.780 --> 00:36:13.059 we'll talk Club World Cup more when that comes 00:36:13.059 --> 00:36:16.559 around. Where can people find you on the Discord 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:18.219 and the internet? They can find me at the Discord, 00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:24.139 AlexDS. And then on Instagram at Alex underscore 00:36:24.139 --> 00:36:34.920 DS 519. Awesome. Always exciting to have you 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.980 here and we'll see you again next week. Yes. 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.000 You have a good rest of your day. Thank you for 00:36:41.000 --> 00:37:01.010 your time. What is up, Cedar? How you doing? 00:37:01.909 --> 00:37:04.869 I am personally doing all right. How are you 00:37:04.869 --> 00:37:08.590 doing? Doing good. I even have my headphone on 00:37:08.590 --> 00:37:10.230 my ear. I probably shouldn't do that with my 00:37:10.230 --> 00:37:16.409 ruptured eardrum. There we go. There we go. Congratulations 00:37:16.409 --> 00:37:22.969 to your club, PSG, for winning Champions League. 00:37:23.030 --> 00:37:25.610 That's a pretty big deal. That was a massacre. 00:37:26.010 --> 00:37:31.480 Yeah. it was it was insane almost uh maybe worse 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.380 no vancouver losing to uh cruz azul was worse 00:37:35.380 --> 00:37:38.860 for them because it was so much faster yeah that 00:37:38.860 --> 00:37:43.840 i mean they had zero shots at all so i was yeah 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.320 i would say that's probably worse yeah uh yeah 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.019 yeah it's super exciting uh and and now we will 00:37:51.019 --> 00:37:55.360 be getting them in seattle come uh Two weeks 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:56.900 from now, three weeks from now, something like 00:37:56.900 --> 00:38:01.179 that. Oh, yeah. Wait, isn't it next week? It 00:38:01.179 --> 00:38:05.440 starts in Botafogo's next Sunday. Oh, oh, wow. 00:38:05.619 --> 00:38:08.739 All right. Yeah. OK, cool. Yeah. And then and 00:38:08.739 --> 00:38:10.719 then or not next Sunday, Sunday after, I should 00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:16.079 say. So it's a week and a half. And then I think 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.639 it's Atletico Madrid, then PSG. Plus, we're also 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.199 getting the Champions League losers in Seattle. 00:38:22.710 --> 00:38:25.630 uh i'm going to urala red diamonds versus inter 00:38:25.630 --> 00:38:29.710 milan oh nice that should be a fun match yeah 00:38:29.710 --> 00:38:34.130 so it'll be it'll be cool to see some uh world 00:38:34.130 --> 00:38:35.730 -class teams here when they probably won't start 00:38:35.730 --> 00:38:39.429 their starters but uh you know even i was uh 00:38:39.429 --> 00:38:43.130 talking to craig weibel the gm at an event this 00:38:43.130 --> 00:38:46.530 past match day and uh he said even there even 00:38:46.530 --> 00:38:52.159 psg's backups could destroy us oh yeah yeah it's 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.920 a economies of scale right yeah exactly no totally 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.119 totally um well that'll be cool to see i love 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.980 that i love that uh everybody up in seattle is 00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:03.940 going to have these opportunities to see not 00:39:03.940 --> 00:39:06.340 just us playing the world cup but all these other 00:39:06.340 --> 00:39:09.579 teams yeah it's pretty cool it's pretty cool 00:39:09.579 --> 00:39:16.280 but yeah this minnesota game um yeah it was It 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:21.420 was frustrating in ways that the other two games 00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:24.960 weren't frustrating because it was like, okay, 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:30.480 well, the only game that we've come back from 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.000 to win this year was the St. Louis match. And 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.800 that had a completely different tenor because 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.320 they had a PK early and then we scored a PK right 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.260 after that. This game felt like... It felt like 00:39:45.260 --> 00:39:47.460 we could have built some momentum. They scored 00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:50.219 two quick and then we scored one. But then, you 00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:54.000 know, they scored their third in short order. 00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:58.260 So it was kind of a classic Minnesota, you know, 00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.239 seeding possession for most of the game. They 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.659 only had like 35 % possession. And we couldn't 00:40:05.659 --> 00:40:14.739 break them down really like we wanted to. absolutely 00:40:14.739 --> 00:40:19.320 i uh i think it was well three goals for them 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.300 and one goal for us at over eight minutes yeah 00:40:22.300 --> 00:40:26.599 yeah and pretty wild it was pretty wild and we 00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:34.199 um we had point axg uh to their 2 .5 xg although 00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.900 ashay he accounted for 1 .4 of that he was having 00:40:37.900 --> 00:40:44.059 a great game um you know we did have uh I was 00:40:44.059 --> 00:40:46.920 talking about this in the Discord with some other 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:50.179 people. We had an interesting tactical wrinkle, 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:54.880 which I thought made sense, where we knew Minnesota 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.659 was going to sit in a little bit. And we had 00:40:57.659 --> 00:41:01.559 Jackson come up on the right -hand side, almost 00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.539 like a wingback. And it seemed like it let Pedro 00:41:05.539 --> 00:41:09.039 play a little bit more centrally. And Jackson 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:13.199 didn't have a ton of... he had a few moments 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.679 it wasn't like he was the main focal point of 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.059 our attack in those situations but he did have 00:41:18.059 --> 00:41:21.619 a really nice cross in that rothrock unfortunately 00:41:21.619 --> 00:41:24.260 you know leaned back a little bit he wasn't able 00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:27.219 to get a good strike on it but it was it was 00:41:27.219 --> 00:41:32.119 very very close to uh being um a goal so yeah 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.579 i saw that i saw that and i was like oh okay 00:41:34.579 --> 00:41:37.989 that's i like that because we know how good Jackson 00:41:37.989 --> 00:41:41.789 is with the ball at his feet in terms of distributing 00:41:41.789 --> 00:41:45.869 and passing. So I liked that. Unfortunately, 00:41:45.869 --> 00:41:48.809 it didn't pan out, but I did like seeing them 00:41:48.809 --> 00:41:51.250 introduce that. Yeah, I mean, it's good to see 00:41:51.250 --> 00:41:53.210 them trying something different when obviously 00:41:53.210 --> 00:41:59.230 the inability to score is an issue. Yes. Yeah. 00:41:59.349 --> 00:42:04.690 And then Minnesota got their first goal. We had 00:42:04.690 --> 00:42:07.809 numbers back, too. It wasn't like it was a breakaway 00:42:07.809 --> 00:42:11.269 and the guy was 1v1. We had numbers back. Lode 00:42:11.269 --> 00:42:15.610 just laid it off to Oloche, a little cutback, 00:42:15.630 --> 00:42:19.110 and I thought Reagan could have done a little 00:42:19.110 --> 00:42:21.409 bit better on that one. I mean, we had numbers 00:42:21.409 --> 00:42:24.469 in the box. Nobody picked him up, and he had 00:42:24.469 --> 00:42:29.170 just enough time to smash it in. And then on 00:42:29.170 --> 00:42:32.590 their second goal, Christian, it was so weird 00:42:32.590 --> 00:42:36.099 getting him seat. Seeing him beat out by Pereira 00:42:36.099 --> 00:42:38.320 down the wing, you know, they're fighting, they're 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.300 hand fighting, all this stuff. And usually Christian 00:42:41.300 --> 00:42:44.420 wins those battles. But Pereira was a little 00:42:44.420 --> 00:42:47.719 bit stronger. And then Bell was, he was a little 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.380 bit late and that was just a bad step. Completely 00:42:50.380 --> 00:42:53.699 crashes into, I think it was Olashay again. I 00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:55.360 think Christian did his job though on that, where 00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:57.980 he kept him occupied and pushed him off to the 00:42:57.980 --> 00:43:02.579 side. Bell. I mean, Bell needs to do better there. 00:43:02.659 --> 00:43:05.000 He needs to not take him down. He needs to stop 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.000 short and just be a body in front of him. Oh, 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:13.079 totally. I agree. I mean, yeah, Christian, you'll 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.960 take that from Christian. I mean, what else is 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:18.659 he going to do, right? He's keeping the attacker 00:43:18.659 --> 00:43:22.119 mostly at bay. Yeah, that was just an unfortunate 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:26.860 decision from Bell. So, yeah, then they get the 00:43:26.860 --> 00:43:30.099 penalty. They're up to one or two, nothing. And 00:43:30.099 --> 00:43:33.300 then we score right away, which was nice. It 00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:35.519 really felt like, okay, all right, let's get 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.039 some, we got one back. Let's keep the momentum 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:44.400 going. And, you know, I love, I really like Kalani 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.860 Kosarianzi and the hustle that he puts in and 00:43:47.860 --> 00:43:51.199 the energy, you know, he has kind of a. he has 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.539 a kind of a Pedro sort of energy to him, you 00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:56.780 know, and, uh, he was in the right place, right 00:43:56.780 --> 00:43:59.820 time in the box, cut back from Pedro to him. 00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:02.820 And, and that was, that was nice to see. Um, 00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:09.079 and then that third goal, uh, uh, again, Tony, 00:44:09.179 --> 00:44:13.400 he, he kind of, uh, he kind of bodied a new who 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.219 a little bit and, and smashed it in. He had a 00:44:16.219 --> 00:44:19.199 great game. He, he really had a great game. So 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:23.159 yeah. It was disappointing because we got outplayed. 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:28.239 Yeah, we ended up getting the own goal, but it 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.980 was too little too late. Yeah, a lot of pressure 00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:35.360 at the end. Looked like maybe, but just not enough 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.960 time. Do you think there's anything the Sounders 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.980 can take out of that game heading into another 00:44:40.980 --> 00:44:44.440 quote -unquote Sunday night match that starts 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:47.900 at 3 p .m. against Vancouver up in Canada this 00:44:47.900 --> 00:44:57.869 coming Sunday? I mean, I, I, I, I think, I mean, 00:44:57.869 --> 00:45:01.409 Vancouver plays somewhat similarly to Minnesota. 00:45:01.489 --> 00:45:04.530 Yeah. Where they like to, they don't necessarily 00:45:04.530 --> 00:45:07.309 want the ball all the time. Yeah. But not, not 00:45:07.309 --> 00:45:11.170 to the degree that anyone plays that very extreme. 00:45:11.250 --> 00:45:14.230 Yeah. It's very extreme. They definitely have 00:45:14.230 --> 00:45:19.250 more of a, a midfield that likes to, you know, 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:24.579 carry the ball up through but i i i mean vancouver's 00:45:24.579 --> 00:45:27.340 a really good team yes they just lost to uh cruz 00:45:27.340 --> 00:45:30.980 azul in the champions league final but you know 00:45:30.980 --> 00:45:33.639 they're gonna want to bounce back um yeah i think 00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.420 they might be missing some players to the international 00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:39.760 break so that might be the one oh yeah that works 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:43.360 for uh the sounders here i hadn't thought about 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.400 that but that's a great point i think nicholas 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.380 mentioned it on the last episode But still, it 00:45:49.380 --> 00:45:51.820 doesn't it. I mean, it doesn't matter. It was 00:45:51.820 --> 00:45:55.480 funny on the broadcast. I was watching and I 00:45:55.480 --> 00:46:00.039 heard the commentators say, you know, oh, especially 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:04.380 because like, you know, we've had injuries at 00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:06.260 center back and all this stuff. And they talked 00:46:06.260 --> 00:46:08.179 about like, oh, yeah, Seattle's got that next 00:46:08.179 --> 00:46:10.639 man up mentality. And I'm like, at this point, 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:14.579 what what team doesn't like literally every professional 00:46:14.579 --> 00:46:16.920 sports team? Like, yeah, you're going to have 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.980 to have that. But, I mean, it's going to be tough. 00:46:21.139 --> 00:46:22.980 I don't know if there's going to be any kind 00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:26.360 of hangover from Vancouver because they, you 00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.980 know, that was a tough game for them at altitude 00:46:29.980 --> 00:46:34.900 down in Mexico and super demoralizing. But I 00:46:34.900 --> 00:46:38.079 think it's going to be just as difficult as Minnesota. 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:42.260 I don't see it being any easier like, oh, they're 00:46:42.260 --> 00:46:44.659 depleted or, oh, you know, they're missing guys 00:46:44.659 --> 00:46:46.940 to international break. I know that everybody 00:46:46.940 --> 00:46:49.059 that they put out on the field is really going 00:46:49.059 --> 00:46:53.159 to want to get three points against us. So if 00:46:53.159 --> 00:47:00.340 we played like we did for stretches in the second 00:47:00.340 --> 00:47:02.519 half for the whole game against them, then I'll 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:12.300 feel better about our chances. But I think it's 00:47:12.300 --> 00:47:15.199 the little individual mistakes that are biting 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.679 us. That's what it is. It's not our tactical 00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:21.360 setup. It's not our total team play. It's just 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.980 a little lapse of judgment here and there. Yeah, 00:47:25.019 --> 00:47:29.019 and I was disappointed in Bell. I like him. I 00:47:29.019 --> 00:47:31.139 think he's a great player. But when you make 00:47:31.139 --> 00:47:34.380 mistakes like that, it's like, all right, don't 00:47:34.380 --> 00:47:39.380 do that again, please. Yeah, yeah. But I would 00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:42.000 say overall, he's been pretty solid for us considering 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.179 the position he's been put in. Definitely, definitely. 00:47:45.610 --> 00:47:52.230 um but yeah i mean we'll we'll see um and then 00:47:52.230 --> 00:47:55.750 i guess the other thing uh we could talk about 00:47:55.750 --> 00:48:00.070 is the um is the protest that the players had 00:48:00.070 --> 00:48:03.010 with the shirts yeah players were the which uh 00:48:03.010 --> 00:48:08.210 what are your thoughts on that i mean Yeah. And 00:48:08.210 --> 00:48:10.610 those were nice too. It wasn't just like words 00:48:10.610 --> 00:48:13.929 on a t -shirt. They had the Mr. Monopoly on there. 00:48:13.949 --> 00:48:18.309 Those were well done. I am surprised the MLS 00:48:18.309 --> 00:48:20.989 has not engaged with the players on this. And 00:48:20.989 --> 00:48:22.730 maybe they thought they could get away with it 00:48:22.730 --> 00:48:25.630 because Seattle, at least outwardly, is the only 00:48:25.630 --> 00:48:28.070 one grumbling. It doesn't seem Miami is. And 00:48:28.070 --> 00:48:33.150 that could be because, well now LAFC, but this 00:48:33.150 --> 00:48:35.429 all largely happened before they were going to 00:48:35.429 --> 00:48:37.969 the Club World Cup. miami's players are a lot 00:48:37.969 --> 00:48:43.030 richer as a total based on the amount of money 00:48:43.030 --> 00:48:46.929 i mean it's like when uh the adjunct professors 00:48:46.929 --> 00:48:49.630 at seattle university were unionizing they didn't 00:48:49.630 --> 00:48:51.510 include the law adjuncts because they were like 00:48:51.510 --> 00:48:53.269 oh they're rich lawyers they don't need it i'm 00:48:53.269 --> 00:48:58.210 like hey you can include me but not all of us 00:48:58.210 --> 00:49:01.989 yeah but no totally i think that's a that these 00:49:01.989 --> 00:49:04.630 are really fair points yeah What they want is 00:49:04.630 --> 00:49:07.050 clear communication, right? And they want a fair 00:49:07.050 --> 00:49:12.429 shake. I mean, I saw some people bringing up 00:49:12.429 --> 00:49:18.030 the fact that because of MLS's collective bargaining 00:49:18.030 --> 00:49:20.769 rules and like, you know, all of the financial 00:49:20.769 --> 00:49:24.650 restrictions to roster building that, you know, 00:49:24.650 --> 00:49:27.929 when LA Galaxy brought in Zlatan Ibrahimovic 00:49:27.929 --> 00:49:31.710 and in the first year they couldn't sign him 00:49:31.710 --> 00:49:34.480 as a DP. Because they already had those slots 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.519 filled. They still had to pay him what he's worth. 00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:41.099 Right. So they bought him a hockey team in Europe 00:49:41.099 --> 00:49:45.659 to, you know, circumnavigating the rules. Right. 00:49:46.179 --> 00:49:50.079 I mean, messy with the Apple TV deal, all, you 00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.320 know, Adidas getting in on that. Right. They, 00:49:52.420 --> 00:49:57.239 the league finds ways or turns a blind eye. Right. 00:49:57.380 --> 00:50:02.320 To, to bringing in players and making. players 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:06.179 that they feel like oh these are assets to our 00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:09.360 league and say what you will about that but when 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.059 you have a team like the sanders who actually 00:50:11.059 --> 00:50:15.800 earned their way into the club world cup um and 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.099 then they get zero response from not just the 00:50:19.099 --> 00:50:21.800 league but it also sounds like i was watching 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:25.260 uh just before we hopped on here um a youtube 00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:29.320 video that pulso sports posted uh uh an interview 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:32.380 with uh Christian and Steph and a few of the 00:50:32.380 --> 00:50:34.780 players in the locker room after the Minnesota 00:50:34.780 --> 00:50:38.000 match and they were asked like oh has have you 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.000 guys talked to Adrian Hanauer about this and 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.920 they had basically said they alluded to like 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.739 they've been trying to have discussions with 00:50:47.739 --> 00:50:50.860 the ownership and you know the league and so 00:50:50.860 --> 00:50:54.539 far they've gotten almost nothing and it's you 00:50:54.539 --> 00:50:56.639 know it's however many days out from the club 00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.380 world cup starting so they felt like you know 00:50:59.380 --> 00:51:01.659 they have to bring it up and they said they're 00:51:01.659 --> 00:51:03.760 like yeah this is a distraction you know like 00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:07.039 obviously we wanted to win but this is on our 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.659 minds this is this has been a distraction for 00:51:09.659 --> 00:51:13.179 a while now and we're not getting any um clarity 00:51:13.179 --> 00:51:15.780 and for those who don't know i guess we should 00:51:15.780 --> 00:51:21.179 say that they uh the issue is that mls caps what 00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:23.760 players can get paid and it's one million dollars 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:26.179 and that's not per player that's total for all 00:51:26.179 --> 00:51:29.760 the players And they've already met that cap 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:33.800 for all competitions. I mean, because of League's 00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.099 Cup. So they're basically playing in this tournament 00:51:36.099 --> 00:51:39.820 for free. Yeah. And they said, they're like, 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:44.039 look, we get that it's tiered. Steph was like, 00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.980 yeah, PSG is a bigger club. We all understand 00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:49.760 that. They're going to get paid more money. We're 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.250 fine with that. We just want to get paid. Something 00:51:52.250 --> 00:51:55.789 fair. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's super 00:51:55.789 --> 00:52:01.269 fair. Nobody wants to work for free or for less 00:52:01.269 --> 00:52:04.010 than they're worth. And this tournament did not 00:52:04.010 --> 00:52:08.489 exist in this format when the CBA was signed. 00:52:08.610 --> 00:52:12.670 And so it was not a forward -looking CBA that 00:52:12.670 --> 00:52:14.829 could have determined that this would happen 00:52:14.829 --> 00:52:17.809 or maybe even League's Cup in its current format 00:52:17.809 --> 00:52:21.000 could happen. Right. And what that tells me is 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.260 because there wasn't anything specific about 00:52:23.260 --> 00:52:27.400 this, it tells me that the league so far has 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.139 not been acting in good faith towards the players, 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:35.239 right? Because MLS can do what it wants in terms 00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:37.619 of all the money stuff. We've seen it time and 00:52:37.619 --> 00:52:41.019 time again, right? And yeah, it's just really 00:52:41.019 --> 00:52:43.460 unfortunate. And I think you made a great point 00:52:43.460 --> 00:52:47.340 that, again, Like a lot of the players on inner 00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:49.099 Miami. Yeah. They're probably not speaking up 00:52:49.099 --> 00:52:51.860 because they're, you know, they're, they're doing 00:52:51.860 --> 00:52:53.719 all right. They're doing all right financially. 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:56.739 Whereas we've got a lot of players who are, you 00:52:56.739 --> 00:53:00.760 know, they're earning great wages, but they don't 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:02.139 want to play for free and they shouldn't have 00:53:02.139 --> 00:53:05.639 to play for free. Great wages compared to other 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:08.860 professional athletes. Yeah, no, totally. And 00:53:08.860 --> 00:53:11.079 they, they earned this spot, you know, that's 00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:13.320 the other thing too. They actually earned this 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.389 birth. I think it's it's great that they're speaking 00:53:17.389 --> 00:53:22.230 up about it and causing a stink because that's 00:53:22.230 --> 00:53:24.510 how things get changed. If they stayed silent, 00:53:24.570 --> 00:53:26.989 we wouldn't even be talking about this. So I'm 00:53:26.989 --> 00:53:29.409 glad that they're speaking up and yeah, hopefully 00:53:29.409 --> 00:53:33.670 the league finds it in themselves to do the right 00:53:33.670 --> 00:53:36.650 thing and figure out how to make this right. 00:53:37.849 --> 00:53:40.789 Absolutely. Absolutely. So where can they find 00:53:40.789 --> 00:53:45.039 you a cedar on the discords? Yes, I will be on 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.800 the discords. So come join, come join us. Good 00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:50.920 conversations, especially during matches. It's 00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:52.679 harder when I'm at the match to get involved, 00:53:52.860 --> 00:53:56.780 but I'm there with my dad. So I'm usually engaging 00:53:56.780 --> 00:53:59.460 with him, but it's still, it's nice. It's good 00:53:59.460 --> 00:54:01.880 times to be there. Yeah. It's my dad's 84. So 00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:03.840 I love to be able to go to all the games with 00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.920 him. That's awesome. That's the best. Yeah. I 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.099 know you, you watch them with your dad too. So, 00:54:10.099 --> 00:54:14.199 Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's the best. It's the 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.019 best. Cool. Well, we'll talk to you next week, 00:54:17.019 --> 00:54:19.820 and people have been raving about your appearances 00:54:19.820 --> 00:54:21.960 on the show so far, so keep up the good work. 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.539 Really? Yeah. Wow. All right. Cool. I'll try 00:54:25.539 --> 00:54:29.659 not to let it go to my head. All right. We'll 00:54:29.659 --> 00:54:32.079 talk to you soon. Good stuff. Thanks, Cameron. 00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:35.920 See you. 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