He's a tough kid. All I gotta say is the point
I can't say is CHEAT! Welcome to Sounders Scuttlebutt.
I am Aaron Lingley, and even though we recorded,
what, a week and a half ago with me on it, that
one didn't make it. So this is going to be the
first time I have been on the airwaves in months.
Hey, our patrons, what do you call someone who
subscribes? Patrons? I don't know what you call
them. Patreon patrons. They heard it. They heard
you and me talking, and then large pauses as
we listened to nothing in between, and they had
to... think about what nicholas might have been
saying well i thought it was a choose your own
adventure kind of episode where they could they
could speak in themselves exactly to feel like
one of us i mean that's the whole point of this
is sitting around having beer talking talking
sounders we wanted you to be interactive the
craziest part was when you said and i i really
was shocked absolutely shocked that you said
this don't do it don't do it Oh, thanks, Alexa.
Alexa decided to yell at me in the middle of
my joke. You said that Nkufo was better than
Clint Dempsey. I just couldn't believe it. What
a take. What a huge take for this podcast. Yeah.
I mean, this podcast is nothing except hot takes.
All hot takes all the time. You might have had
more hat tricks. Did Clint Dempsey ever get a
hat trick for the Sounders? I believe so. I believe
so. Yeah, I don't know. I don't remember anymore.
The Portland 4 -4 game? Yeah, I think he did
have one that game. You're correct. That was
awesome. I was in Canada with that one. Who are
you, by the way? Oh. Let me finish. Yeah, I got
so excited that you were here. Do you want to
say who I am? I do. I do. I know. Alliance Council
Secretary Cameron Collins. And that sleepy bear
over there is your Alliance Council extraordinaire,
Nicholas Biela. What's up, gentlemen? I totally
was going to come on here and complain about
the fact that I had to get up at 7 .30 a .m.
this morning for a doctor's appointment and how
that was just way too early and that no human
should be awake at 7 .30 in the morning. And
then I got a shot in my knee because Pub League
has been injuring me and I want to keep playing.
So I got steroids put in my knee and I have to
go to physical therapy now and I might get, after
the season, get... blood, like platelet plasma
shot into my knees. Are you sure you're not playing
for the actual Sounders? You sound like a Sounders
player. That's the thing is all the leaders always
say, Hey, this is just public. There's no Sounders
scouts here, but I guarantee you if Nicholas
and I are there, either one of us can pick up
the phone and call Craig Weibel at any time and
be like, yo, you need to come check this person
out. I mean, technically, I mean, let's be clear
here. I am a public leader and I've never said
that to you. That's true. You have. With that
said, yeah, I would have loved to have been up
at 7 o 'clock this morning. You were, weren't
you? Well, I was, but I've been up since 6 o
'clock yesterday morning. Long work hours there,
Nick. Is that why you were not at Pub League
when I showed up for the second game? Yeah. So
I had Pub League in the morning, then went immediately
to Smash Putt. Because yesterday was All Ages
Day, the one day they do All Ages. So I took
Rome at a smash putt. Then Pub League alum and
godfather to my daughter, Alex Davis, had his
birthday yesterday. Happy birthday, Alex. So
went to celebrate that. Then I had to work a
shift for Bernadette's company. Followed immediately
by my normal shift with my company. So I've been...
That's worse than me having to go to the doctor
and getting a shot and then having to teach and
then having to do a radio show. I've been working
on the run. Yeah, and then having to do the podcast.
That's why my voice is a little scratchy today.
Too much talking for me. But you know what? How
about this? Less talky, more cracking. How about
we do that? Okay. Cracking, not cracking. You
look confused, Cameron. They didn't make the
playoffs. Cracking. I'm waiting for it to crack.
Yeah, we're waiting for you. Go ahead. Oh, you
want me to do it at the same time? No, okay,
that's great. That's wonderful. Oh, here, I'll
do mine. Because you have a popper. Ooh. That
had a little tease, a little foreplay before
it really snapped. Not as dramatic. It sounded
almost like a golf shot there. There's the ones
that you can put on there and then you hit it
down and it pops it off into the sky and makes
a that one sounds amazing. You know what it is?
We're not in practice. We haven't had all three
of us here in a little bit. Have you guys seen
the Netflix show called Three Body Problem? I've
heard of it. I have not yet seen it. It's been
recommended, though. What about you, Nicholas?
No, just finished about 30 minutes ago, the last
episode of season three of White Lotus on Max.
That's a good show. But let me finish my thought.
I'm really bummed you both haven't seen the show.
Essentially, they're trying to find a solution
to the three body problem where three suns are
kind of rotating, orbiting around each other.
And so this planet. The Father, Son, and Holy
Ghost? Sure. Anyway, I feel like we are a three
-body problem. Even when we do get all together
and we get our schedules aligned, which are all
completely different, right? Nicholas' schedule,
my schedule, and your schedule are completely
different. It's always a struggle to get us in
line. Yeah. You work days. I work afternoon and
evenings and he works overnight. Yeah. And then
when we finally get together, the episode doesn't
work. So it's like, we can't find a solution
to this three body problem. Well, hopefully today
we're all trying to find the guy who did this.
Yeah. And you know what? I think this episode
is going to alleviate so much pain in one of
the most painful sports weekends that I can remember
in Seattle sports history. uh mediocre ass mariners
mediocre ass sounders uh super hawks lost two
games at home on a weekend for the first time
ever uh one game the the point guard went one
for 13 from the three -point line and uh i think
he was like three for 20 overall or something
like that like it was not good bob no no so he
uh just gotta hopefully the sounders pick it
up or the storm come back sooner Wow. Yeah, and
Max Verstappen won. Yeah, that was painful. Yeah.
Did you watch it live? No. I mean, I will say
that things got a little dark after that Sounders
game. The two of you were hoping for some results
in that race. You were hoping for some dark,
dark results. I mean, having a butthole get seared
shut by fire is not that dark. It also wasn't
that far off from what was happening to, who's
the new young driver from Haas who during, I
think it was Haas, maybe not. Phil McCracken.
It wasn't Bearman. It was Hajar. I forget which
team he races for, but his belt was on so tight,
it was crushing his balls. And he had to keep
stopping to redo it. And he still got, I think
he's got to the third Q3, despite the fact that
he was in so much pain. I mean, some people pay
extra for that. That's true, but they're also
not driving a car at 150 miles an hour. I don't
know. Have you ever seen the movie Crash? Good
movie. There's two. Yes, I know which one you're
talking about. So a little bit loopy, but hey,
we're going to have a fun episode despite the
Sounders results. We don't need to be angry.
We can have fun in our misery. Hey, yes. The
number two team in the conference, right? You
know, it's been interesting. It's been interesting.
Trying to go get a handle of what we're seeing.
And I don't really have an answer, so I'm just
kind of letting it ride right now. I believe
in the talent of this team, but boy, these last
few... Not even these last few games. It's the
whole season. Two games. We've had two. Antigua
match. I guess maybe both Antigua matches. But
the Antigua match and the LAFC match, every other
match has been very painful. I don't know if
I'd necessarily say that, but it's just been
really frustrating because we see the individual
moments of brilliance. You see the potential
and trying to get it all on the same page and
trying to keep people healthy and that. think
that we will be happy come the end of the season
but right now this this is a little rough and
and i kind of had a breaking point in this last
game and it was a little a little rough we scored
one goal since lafc yeah st louis houston san
jose san diego on uh yeah that's painful on a
brighter note without me mentioning the score
or anything about the mariners game with the
play on the field. I just want to say today was
bark at the park night at T -Mobile park. And
that alone makes me happy seeing all the pictures
coming out of T -Mobile park. There's a glimmer.
All the good boys and girls who are now going
to get to run around the bases. Once the game's
over. Those are always fun. I've never been to
one. It's fun to watch. I've watched. Yeah. Dempsey.
We were talking about that. Dempsey cannot go.
No, Dempsey's not allowed to go. He's a herding
dog. It would not, no. Maybe the Mariners need
a herding dog to herd them into better hitting.
I mean, the interesting part would be to see
an entire stadium somehow corralled into left
center. By the end of the game, everyone's just
kind of in a group going, wait, how did this
happen? Good boy. Good boy. Do we have any scuttlebutt
that's not specifically related to sound? I guess
Florida. Can I talk about this? Florida -Houston
played tonight? I didn't watch it. I didn't watch
it either, so go ahead and tell me. Is that something
you're going to watch, Aaron? Oh, Aaron? Me?
No. Yeah. Okay, Florida are your college national
champions. Apparently Houston had a shot to win
it at the end and didn't even take the shot.
I don't know what happened. I honestly, A, have
lost complete interest in college basketball,
except for my teams, my three teams for the three
colleges that I've either gone to. I guess I
have credits from all of them or worked at. But
also no team west of Texas has won the national
championship in like 23 years or something like
that. Who would have been the last? Was it UCLA?
Or Arizona? 2000 or 2001 I think was the last
time. Might have been Arizona. They had some
good teams back then. Let's give a tip to the
cap of one of my favorite. One of my favorite
sports. Hockey. Alexander Ovechkin passing Wayne
Gretzky. All -time goal scorer. Was that tonight?
That was yesterday afternoon. You know, he tied
it in one game, but I didn't see the one where
he passed it. Yeah, and funny enough, he did
it. He beat Gretzky's record in the exact same
number of games that Gretzky set the record in.
Oh, wow. Which is really crazy. Now, with all
that said. Yes, Gretzky had the record for 30
-some years. He was great. But I cannot impart
this upon people enough when I say Wayne Gretzky
dominated his sport in a way that no other athlete
in the 20th century has. I'd argue LeBron James.
No, no, it's not even close. And here, allow
me to give you my 30 -second elevator pitch.
Wayne Gretzky has more assists. in his career
than any other nhl player has goals and assists
combined i actually saw a stat of his for like
all all the years he led the league in points
yeah the gap to the next player was like 75 points
yeah he played for edmonton so none of those
count because oh yeah well the exchange rate
Canadian exchange to dollar exchange rate. The
assist exchange rate. Only one for the LA Kings
count. Right now, Sidney Crosby, I believe, is
the closest to him in assists. Sidney Crosby,
who's already almost 40, would have to be playing
another decade plus, like 12 years at his average.
to get near Gretzky's record on assists. And
it's just absolutely mind -blowingly crazy the
way that he dominated a game unlike anyone else.
LeBron, yes, is great. But the gap between LeBron
and the Jordans of the world, the LeBron and
Kobe, the LeBron and whoever, is much closer
than Gretzky and anyone else. I won't say you're
wrong. You know, it's just an amazing stat. That's
all it is. It's untouchable. Absolutely untouchable.
But also, the whole time Gretzik played, wasn't
there only like two black players? Was he really
playing against the best athletes? Have you looked
at the NHL recently? Maybe there's only two.
There might be four now. But no. Yeah, it's just...
Just crazy. Shout out to the Thunderbirds. Thunderbirds
are playing tonight in game six of their playoff
series against Everett, down three games to two.
If they win, they will push it to a game to side
in game seven. Crazy. Of course, we're always
rooting for the Thunder. I mean, I know you're
a Thunderbirds fan, Nick. Do you root for Everett
as well? Yeah, yeah. I love going to the games.
The juniors are great. Great atmosphere. Here's
the reality is I think, I mean, I absolutely
love the Thunderbirds jerseys. more than ever
and ever it's not bad but thunderbirds that i
wish the kraken up until the kraken actually
released their jersey design i wish they would
take the thunderbirds logo and colors and that's
that was the whaler i mean it was the whalers
right that's that's what they were rocking not
exactly the whalers were definitely a different
color green but not not dissimilar um but uh
so so the thunderbirds i think are my my preferred
team, but Everett has the better fans. Oh, I
disagree. In stadium atmosphere, I should say.
In stadium atmosphere. Everett fans are like
Oregon Duck fans. They're fucking terrible. They
just... They're miserable to be around. I cannot
stand them. I didn't know there was this vitriol
for my former fans. Everyone sings Portland Sucks
whenever you're playing Portland. In fact, unless
they're playing Everett or Spokane, Seattle fans
say Portland Sucks during the hockey song. Don't
we all? Rightfully so. You know what's funny?
Right before we started the show, I ran to get
beer, right? which I'm drinking a Aurora, Aurora
Hoppy Alice. Yeah. And it's a local beer here.
Carl Stroud's Brewing Company, Aurora Hoppy Alice.
Since we were mentioning Aurora in the show that
didn't make it. But anyway, I was. Yeah, we're
giving tips on which cross streets on Aurora.
You can score. Yeah. Maybe send Jordan out there
and he can get some goals. Yeah, that's cool.
I don't know what that is. Is that a beer koozie?
This is a Patrick Marlowe beer koozie. Cameron,
you were there that night, weren't you? I was.
Patrick Marlowe, who was a year ahead of me in
high school, not at my school, so I went to see
him play at the Thunderbirds and then drafted
by the San Jose Sharks, and I followed him a
year later when I went to Santa Clara and became
a Sharks season ticket holder the year after
that, I believe. So I love me some Patrick Marlowe.
Most games played of any player in NHL history?
Most consecutive games played. Most consecutive
games played. He didn't miss a game for years.
He was a rock and super fast. Won a gold medal
with Canada. Patty Marlowe, one of my favorite
players of all time. Yep, yep. So I will say
welcome to... Hockey Scuttlebutt, where we only
talk about hockey. But I will say one more thing.
On Sunday, April, oh, no, that's at Coachella
Valley. On Saturday, April 9th, the Coachella
Valley Firebirds, a .k .a. the Kraken minor league
team that has some of our future superstars,
will be playing at the San Diego Gulls. So if
you want to go see a hockey game, Aaron, that's
the one to go to. Go see some young Kraken players
playing in San Diego. You know, I would be opposed
to it. Hey, you know, we talked about this last
time, unfortunately lost in the ether. Give us
a little rundown on how things are going for
you in San Diego. It's pretty awesome having
a pool and a margarita to hang out in every weekend.
That's not going to lie. Coronado Island overlooks
like it's across from the skyline of the city
and there's a wonderful park. that has like no
one ever in it that we've picnicked at a few
times called Centennial Park. And I feel like
there's so many places people can go just relax
and be in the sun. And like, we only have a few
spots, right? Like if you want to go to the beach
and it's sunny, it's Alki or Ballard. right yeah
golden gardens and they're packed here there's
just like i go to this park and i'm like this
is the best view of the city in town and it's
75 degrees and there's no one on this grassy
knoll except us like this is awesome you ever
you ever you know ride a motorcycle alongside
a airplane runway the top speed wind in your
hair i drive by miramar uh every day actually
and i see like um navy aircraft like taking off
and landing a lot actually when i go to work
it's pretty trippy so are you playing are you
playing danger zone or i can't believe i have
not done that yet either of them honestly oh
you know next time next time next time you and
randy are are you know having having some moments
put on put on some berlin and just just make
it happen And I'll let her know that it was Nick's
idea, and she'll love that. Tell her afterward,
don't make her think of me while you two are.
No, Jerry. Don't do that. No, so anyway, it's
been great. And a bonus was I was able to go
to the game, the San Diego game. Was that a bonus?
Yeah, was that really a bonus? Well, I went with
Gracie, right? So that was about her, and that
was fun. And we went and met up with ECS at Augie's.
marched to the stadium so she got to experience
all that for the first time which wasn't in seattle
so that's was that your first away match ever
yeah no okay no back when we had a life um i
mean i would go to portland before you had children
consistently yes exactly um and i've done salt
lake away but that's gracie's first away game
it's her first yeah definitely cool awesome Yeah,
so we had a hoot. Had some fun photos. That's
great. I like the photos. It was super fun. And
I like how you posted some of them on the Discord
for our listeners to show everyone what you guys
were up to. Quickly, before we get into stuff,
I just want to give a shout out to Clem Burke,
drummer for Blondie. Also played with Ramones
occasionally. Passed away of cancer today. super
bummer and dave allen who played in gang of four
and glass job passed away a couple days ago so
um the i mean i'm sure there was others too but
the the list of musicians and famous people dying
continues on our show every single time i mean
it might as well be a segment at this point yeah
did we lose i think we lost the george foreman
episode but we did a whole thing to george foreman
yeah for george foreman yeah and his amazing
grills uh and yesterday i think yes yesterday
was the 31 year anniversary of kurt cobain's
death they found him 31 years ago tomorrow and
i met him 31 years ago three days ago three days
ago 31 you met him like a week before he died
Two days before he died. It was the last day
out in the city of Seattle. We were driving past
him. I was on my way to the comic book shop below
Godfather's on Denny at Broadway. And my sister
goes, there's Kurt Cobain. And I was like, shut
up. You don't know what Kurt Cobain looks like.
I was 14. She was 11. I get out. It's Kurt Cobain.
And I'm sitting there with my jaw dropped like,
oh, what? And he stopped and talked to me, which
was really cool because he didn't have to do
that. I was just a kid. But, you know, he was
like, hey. How you doing, man? You know, we had
a quick conversation. It wasn't long, but I did
get to meet him. And then two days later, he
died. So hopefully I didn't, you know. Put him
into a. Yeah, put him into a foul mood. Fuck
that kid. It's ruined the world for me. No, I'm
not Courtney Love. I didn't. I was not involved
with that. Allegedly. Allegedly. There is a documentary
on that called Curt and Courtney. Check it out.
what other scuttlebutt we got well i actually
i was just skimming through our discord which
you've mentioned so please please join it because
this is where we fish for some fun um scuttlebutt
there is where to go my app i finally got the
app for discord on my desktop which i can't believe
it alex diaz Oh, no, no. Sorry. I like that one
for a Patreon. US men's national team draft,
11 picks. Yeah. Three of us against each other,
no duplicates. We should do that for Patreon.
Yeah, let's do that. Oh, you know what? I do
actually have... But he also had another one,
rank our strikers all -time MLS era. I think
that'd be kind of fun. Yeah. I do have a bit
of scuttlebutt, though. One thing that I do want
to kind of just bring to people's attention,
just because it's a potential good opportunity.
This is not sponsored content, but I do care
about our listeners, and I know a lot of listeners
are very eager. Do they want to sponsor it? This
is important. A lot of listeners are very eager
to try and get World Cup tickets. FIFA this week
has announced that because Club World Cup tickets
are struggling to meet sales goals, that they
are doing a special where if you buy a ticket
package, you will get guaranteed access to a
World Cup game. of your choice based on how many
ticket packages you buy. Now we're going to disregard
the super ticket package because that's 20 tickets
and you have to use all 20 tickets, but there's
only 23 unique match days. So that's almost impossible
to do. But if you were able to do that, you would
get guaranteed access to the world cup final.
We're not going to talk about that. That's just,
that's, that's. If you can afford to do that,
you were already going to be able to get tickets
to the final anyways. But more importantly, you
can get a two -pack of tickets for Seattle games.
Or Rose Bowl games. Or Rose Bowl games. For example,
I had already gotten my tickets for all the Seattle
games, the Sounders games. I got a ticket for
River versus Inter Milan and a ticket for River
versus Red Diamonds. And it came out to $130
for the two tickets, $130. And that gets me guaranteed
access to a game in the World Cup next year.
Did you only buy one for that? No, I did buy
two. I did buy two. I did as well. To the same
games. Now, the caveat to that, there's always
a caveat. is you do have to actually attend and
use the tickets. And this is my going back in
time situation, whoever's back to the future
alarm that was. That was Aaron sending you a
message to back up. I didn't have the balls to
say it. Okay, there we go. So, yeah. Your ringer
is now off. Okay. So you do have to actually
use the tickets and you cannot resell the tickets.
Right. So you have to go on those tickets because
they'll be in your name. So now if you had already
bought tickets to one of those games before,
you can get rid of those tickets. And transfer
them, but you cannot transfer these ones. So,
yeah, I wonder because they're still through
FIFA on those like the ones we bought through
the. the club section. Yes. Yes. I've got tickets.
The Sounders games. I bought through the, uh,
Sounders allotment, the fan allotment. So I will
be with all those Sounders fans. I did too, but
I also have one ticket for, uh, Botafogo. Uh,
I think, or no PSG that is separate that I bought
in advance. Okay. Cause I also bought. the Inter
Milan versus River Plate game through Ticketmaster
and the general sale. So basically, Aaron, you
could buy two tickets to the PSG or Inter Milan,
I believe they both played the Rose Bowl in different
matches, at the Rose Bowl, and that would guarantee
you a chance to buy two tickets to a World Cup
match. Any game except, it says any game, Excluding
the final. Yeah. So obviously you'd have to be
first come first serve, all that kind of stuff.
But you could go see the USA play down there.
You could fly up home to Seattle and come see
them play up here on June 19th. Celebrate Juneteenth
with us. But it could be a chance for you and
Gracie to have a very special daddy -daughter
date to an event that she will remember for the
rest of her life. There are some terms and conditions
where it does state that FIFA. could um restrict
which games are available to choose from yeah
always a threat with that in mind i just can't
see that happening because it doesn't change
the needle for fifa you know if if they sell
it through the general on sale or if they sell
it to the people who took advantage of this promo
it's still being sold at the price that they
set so i'm going to I optimistically believe
they will operate in good faith for the spirit
of this because the reality is they're probably
only going to sell maybe 2 ,000 to 5 ,000 of
these tickets is my guess because it's only really
going to be people in those given markets that
are going to be able to take advantage of that,
I think. That's just me suspecting. Yeah, I don't
think people are going to travel for the Club
World Cup very much. There's not a second site
in California, right? They're not playing in
San Francisco. No, because there wasn't even
supposed to be any West Coast states at all.
But once Seattle lobbied for a spot, then they
put the Rose Bowl in to give kind of a pod, which
is why PSG, River, all of them are playing Bolts.
Unless you're a super fan of one of the big European
clubs, I cannot see traveling. But on the East
Coast, it's much, much easier. If I was back
home in Buffalo. The world's my oyster. I could
go to multiple. That's what they say here in
Buffalo. The world's your oyster. The world's
your oyster and you're not going to win the Super
Bowl. Those are the two things they always say.
Wow. I walked right into that one too and I really
should know better. Here's one that I'm going
to give as a shout out to a kicker whose last
name is Norwood. Mr. Scott Norwood. Won me 20
bucks when I was 13 years old. He cried on TV.
That would have been his career -longest field
goal on grass, not turf. It was not an NBA kick,
so fuck you. We're dating ourselves now. Most
of our listeners are like, the Buffalo Bills
almost won a Super Bowl? Let's get into the scuttlebutt
of it all. I mean, they're not wrong because
even though they went to four straight, they
almost won one Super Bowl. There is an entire
generation because back then they always sent
the shirts for the losing team that said they
won it to Africa. There literally is an entire
generation of African kids. It's not a joke that
I've seen the Seahawks ones that were sent away
when they didn't win the second one. I have a
2005 Super Bowl champion shirt, even though the
Seahawks lost that one. There is an entire generation
of African kids who believe that the Bills were
a four -peat. Our dynasty. That Seattle Super
Bowl was Bernie's 21st birthday. Oh, wow. I was
also very drunk. Hey, I think I was just reading
that we should, let's knock out a few of these.
Yeah, let's do it. There's some great ones. Are
we feeling like we don't really need to talk
too much about that shit show, that San Diego
who looked really legit? We mentioned it very
quickly, but yeah, I think... Well, why don't
we... I mean, a lot of these relate to that match.
I don't think anyone wants to hear about how...
And maybe we want to hear your experience as
a traveling supporter for the first time going
to San Diego. No other Sounders supporter before
you and the people who are with you have done
that before. That's true. I never thought about
it that way. Yeah. Okay. Should we go with that?
Let's wait until a little bit later and start
with the scuttlebutt just so we make sure we
get that in. Sounds good. All right, let's each
pick one. Yeah, let's start with that rank our
strikers, the amount of sounder strikers all
the time that you brought. Oh, you want to do
that? Yeah, I think that's a good one to do here.
Okay. So what should we rank them to? Like, we
can't, I mean, we can't do all of them. Top five
each? Top five. Let's do top five as far as...
And let's keep it to MLS era. Yeah. We know that
there's other people before that. I mean, I have
a Chance Fry jersey from when he was an awesome
striker, but we're going to stick it to... You
want to do top five for each of us? Yeah. We
got that kind of time? I think so. We're going
to have to explain ourselves. There'll be debate.
I think there'll be very little debate. I think
it'll be one or two players where you get actual
debate. Chad Barrett, number one. Justin Dillon.
All right. Sure. Cameron, why don't you kick
us off? I'll kick it off. I said it first. Yeah,
you did. Who's your number one? Why don't we
start with who's your number one? Should we do
one or we should start at five? I think we're
going to have a lot of similarities in the top.
Let's start at one because I have to go down.
I wouldn't know where to put people until I'm
lowering. But number one is Ruidius for me, hands
down. I agree. He did it in fewer games. Yeah,
he was amazing. When he was in his prime, just
the things he could do were just amazing. I'm
going to be a little different. I am going to
say, I'm going to go ahead and say Freddie. Yeah,
interesting. Not all four statistics, but because
he was the first. Because he was the first goal.
Because it was our first season. He set the record,
you know, clearly. Obviously, someone's going
to be the first to do that. But it stood for
nothing. Not like we're 100 years old, but until
fairly recently did that not get broken. He had
two. Yeah. And we were an expansion franchise.
He helped us. He also had 43 assists compared
to only 14 from Raul and 30 from Jordan. So he
had more goal contributions than Jordan has in
his career. In less games. Yeah. And that was
three seasons. Yeah. Like, obviously, he scored
more in the two he was with us, but in those
three seasons, that was pivotal for us to be
the club that we strive to be now, but that we
expect our club to be, you know, just perennial
winners. Yeah. He was crucial for that, so that's
why he's my one. Okay. Yeah, I'm there because
he's my number two, so I'm right there with you.
Okay. Wow. I actually have him as number four.
Interesting. have him number four um but but
we'll we'll get back to that um who's your number
two aaron i'm gonna go with um clint debsey he's
i don't know if i count him as a yeah that was
the other attacking midfielder false nine that's
why he's not up there he would be he would probably
be my number two otherwise okay then raul okay
i put jordan as my number two um um longevity
homegrown he's got our goal scoring record uh
that i feel like the reason i'm choosing jordan
number two have to do with why you chose freddie
number one that's just the way i see it i can
see that okay do you have jordan do either of
you have jordan in your top five yeah of course
okay so where do you have him i'd say number
probably number three i mean it was tough yeah
just uh because the Oba was far more impactful
in terms of goals and assists per game. But Oba
also never scored in the playoffs. And Jordan
has scored some goals, including one against
Colorado to put us through to a final. So definitely
I have Jordan right now as my number three. I
think by the end of this season, he probably
could get to number one if he comes back and
is healthy. But it's going to take some convincing
for me. I get that. What about you, Aaron? Three
for me for Jordan. Is that the question still?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Three. He's three for me. So
you had, he had, so Nick, you had number four
was, uh, Freddie. Yeah. Yeah. So who's your four
Aaron? That'd be Oba. Yeah. That's I'm going
to do stay over as well. That's my number three.
Yep. Fair. Yeah. So I guess we've all in our
four have unanimously Raul, Jordan, Oba, and
Freddie in different orders. Now I see why you
said we should go five. You're such a forward
thinker. Yeah, five is going to be the interesting
one, though, because I think there are a few
candidates. There are multiple candidates whose
stats are roughly the same. I would argue that
one of them wasn't actually forward a lot of
the time. I wonder if we're thinking the same
person, but I know who I have. But I'll save
mine for last. Yeah, it's fine. You can tell
us it was Nate Jekyll later. You know, there's
some interesting options. A -Bear, you know,
of course, brilliant for one game. Hey, I'll
be honest. I consider Sebastian Latu. One year,
but kind of bridging that. Yeah, incredible for
that year. And he went on to have a legendary
status with Philly, but we just couldn't keep
him. What about Showery Joseph for his one game
in the playoffs? You magnificent bastard. But
Aaron, who's your number five? I think the answer
I should have is Will Bruin, but it is actually
Roger Levesque. Interesting. Okay, so kind of
in the same Latu type of answer. Not who my debate
was between. I think my debate might be similar
to you, Nick, if we're on the same page. Mine
is Will Bruin, but Lamar Nagel is the one who
just misses out. Lamar had more goals and maybe
more assists as well, if we look at it. I can
double check that. But yeah, Lamar Nagel had
one more goal. and four more assists in two less
games. This is a Ford. I feel like he played
on the wing. Exclusively. I don't have either
of those. Number five for the win. Chad Berry?
Save me for last. I actually had to go with someone
who I loved. Part of the reason why I think that
It's part of the reason why Clint Dempsey came
here. Eddie Johnson. Eddie Johnson. He didn't
have the numbers overall, but he was extremely
impactful. Well, he had the heart issue, but
he did have 29 goals. in something like, I think,
40 -some appearances. Total 49 appearances. 23
goals and 49 assists. Well, that was 23 league
play goals, 29 total goals. Total goals. So in
not, like, what, a season and a half, season
and a quarter? Yeah, yeah, 2012, 2013, that Amoeba.
And it was in that era where we kept getting
so many of our players called up to internationals.
So we just kept losing Clinton and Oba and, and
him and it just, and Brad Evans at that time.
I'm not mad at that at all. I think that he,
I mean, he's the only reason he didn't make it
was because for me is because he was short on
the short career here, but he definitely would
be. I think he was six foot. So, I mean, he wasn't
that short. Yeah, that's the funny thing. Clint
Dempsey always looked really tall until he walked
past me one time, and I'm like, I'm taller than
him. Well, I mean, and I really love... Kenny
Cooper was like 6 '4". I love that Eddie just...
Beautiful pecs. He was able to score in different
ways. Great getting on the balls from... Well,
he gave us some of that forward flair and attitude
that Clint did better. remember that one time
he ran on the field and just kept running and
then the play started and it was kicked in and
then he just headed it into the goal he never
stopped running yeah the moment he ran off the
sideline i feel like that was was that the electric
yellows or it might have been it was that era
for sure yeah uh you know that's uh i will i
have to give honorable mention though to uh nong
league game but Marshawn Lynch, who played forward
at the Steve Zaccowani charity match one time.
In flip -flops. Then he got a red card for tackling
someone. Was it that or for handling the ball?
He handled the ball, but he did tackle someone
as well. That was a fun question. I do like that
one. I feel like we had everyone's five. I feel
like if there was a vote for the fifth striker,
our listeners would probably mostly pick a third.
between there's not a lot of players that are
sentimental there's impactful there's legit chad
barrett had some great ones off the bench pickle
juice chad barrett you know uh but outside of
that a decade ago weird i mean blaze kufo in
one season had 11 goals in five uh and five assists
so Oh, no, he had five goals. Five goals in 11.
No assists. Geez. He had three goals in one game.
Yeah, that's pretty impactful. Estrada, David
Estrada, but no. Another hat -tricker. Yeah.
Pat Noonan. Cordell Cato. I mean, what other
options? Noonan was midfield, wasn't he? The
one hope that I really had was Miguel Ibarra
was going to come in and score, and he had no
goals in 12 games. We never talked about Hercules.
We didn't talk about Hercules Gomez. Yep, no
goals in 21 appearances. Darwin Jones, no goals
in 11 appearances. He was a guy that I watched
at UW dominate. Granted, it was the backup sounders,
but still, pro players absolutely dominate. Didn't
he win MVP in USL? I think he did after he left.
Yeah. I mean, he went, he, he, but he never made
it above the USL level. Like he was a guy who
just couldn't put it together. And let's, let's
keep that in our back pocket because I want to
reference that a little bit later with the scuttlebutt
question that comes up because. Yeah. Well, let's
keep it going. Yeah, what scuttlebutt question?
Yeah, you go ahead and throw that in while I'm
thinking about Shauna Coley not scoring any points.
Yeah, so, I mean, Patrick GC, should the team
add De Rosario to Sakonome or both to the first
team to help the offense in lieu of the ineffective
non -more striker play? Well, this is the thing
I got to tell you. I'm telling you straight up,
Moose is better than both of those by a large
margin. The gap between your... Your Moose -level
MLS player and these MLS Next Pro players, it's
night and day. I mean, and it's not a knock on
those players. Who the hell is Moose? Danny Mussofsky.
Oh. Sorry. That's his nickname. Mariner Moose
is just sick of the Mariners. Oh, God, that would
be amazing. Think about those big antlers. He
can head all sorts of things. If we need offense,
we're not going to get it from the Mariners.
It's one thing to say, oh, yeah, look at this
guy. He got a hat trick in MLS Next Pro. Yeah,
well, who were the defenders? You have to realize
that it's Division III soccer, maybe. That's
where they are, but it's a developmental league.
Yeah, and I'm not trying to shit on it because
I know it's frustrating when we just can't seem
to get the offense going. And it's not even that.
You're just talking about their ability level.
They're also younger, and there's also a completely
different mental shift to come to this stage.
Can you imagine your first game ever? Against
MLS defenders. We expect you to make an impact.
This is the first time you've been here. Atacoya
is not on the team. There's a reason Adeneron
couldn't last. And Adeneron was lighting up Tacoma.
Had a... Bradelio Rodriguez. Bradelio Rodriguez.
One of the best forwards Defiance ever had. Cannot
catch on to a team. Andy Craven. This is actually...
He was lighting up S2. We brought him out in
MLS play against Colorado and just... crickets.
I get it, but the talent gap between these is...
That's why they brought in Ryan Kent. Yeah, and
I'm excited about that. That's my problem. He's
not a 9. We need a 9. He might not be available
right now. When you watch Ryan Kent's highlight
packages... you will see two separate things
happening. One, a lot of work very wide on the
touchlines working his way in. And two, a lot
of times he's dead center of the field within
it. So he's making those runs in those forward
positions from, you know, I don't know if he
was playing wing or where he was playing in those
moments, but he's central. I don't want to get
on the hype train too much for him. We got to
see him play. He's got to see how he gels with
teams because, frankly, Jesus Ferreira has a
lot of really good skill sets and talents, but
trying to gel with the team, and that's where
we're at right now. That's been the problem,
right? We know that he can score as a nine. He
just can't. hasn't been able to connect with
our players. And unfortunately, the first few,
you know, the first, you know, four or five games
of the season and all of preseason, if you look
back at it, a lot of his success was coming when
he was connecting with Areola on goals and assists.
And they had so much familiarity with each other.
And that's another reason why that Paul Areola
hurts. It hurts. That was, I mean, that was,
that was the gut punch. That was equivalent to
JP going down in 2022. That's what that felt
like. Yeah. And actually, that kind of goes up
to Eric 13's Scuttlebutt, where what's something
positive that you can take away from the whole
organization this season? You know, three hints.
Getting Ryan Kent in already, which he says,
which is growth from JP's injury in 2022. Side
note. I haven't even read that. JP's injury came
one day after the deadline to put someone on
the season -ending performance thing. So we did
not even have an opportunity to do what we did.
Yeah, we couldn't have brought in another player.
If the game happened the day before, it could
have happened. You would have had to make an
agreement during the game. Literally, yeah. Defiance
doing good and Academy players engaging with
ECS at Defiance Open Cup match versus Spokane.
One thing I will always say is I think the organization
has it right with establishing the culture. what's
expected and i think the um academy players engaging
with ecs at defiant open defiance open cup match
in spokane i think that's a big part of it um
side note when we were in champions league final
in mexico city right behind the 120 of us in
ecs were everyone that did not make the game
day 18 so they flew the entire um roster to Mexico
city for that final. And they were all behind
us. And just like, they wanted to be a part of,
they could have watched it from the bench. They
could have watched it from the suites. Instead.
They wanted to watch half of the game with us.
And, and it was just, it was really cool. It
was, I will say watching that game though, the
Spokane match at, at Tacoma defiance. Yeah. Not,
not ECS because they have coordinated chance.
But the yelling that some of the general fans
were doing, including former guests of the show
who were on Alliance Council with us that you
could hear yelling, was so annoying and obnoxious
that I could barely watch. I had to turn off
the sound. It was driving me insane because all
you could hear was... But, you know, that is
what it is. It was their group. And you could
hear Spokane fans who were really obnoxious as
well. I mean, it's not going to top those SKC2
fans that were for the Des Moines Menace game
against the former MLS players. Oh, I didn't
watch that one because I was so annoyed by that
movie. It was great because they would... The
30 of them would get chants of AARP and we can
see your bald spot. I like that. I like that.
And those cameras for the MLS or for the U .S.
Open Cup games, it's basically picking up the
microphone on the camera. So you can hear everything.
And it was going over. the announcers calling
the game. So the announcers were laughing. It
was highly entertaining. What was being saying
wasn't as clever. It was just like loud. Fair
enough. Well, let's keep it going because I know
you haven't slept in three years. Well, real
quick, let's answer Eric's question from your
side. What is something positive you could take
away from the whole organization this season
so far? I honestly think... 5 -2, I guess. The
criticism of Craig Weibel, what he's been able
to do, despite the fact that it hasn't worked
out because of injuries, what he's been able
to do with the amount of money he's been given
has been pretty incredible. I love the roster
he's built. I do, and I think we have a lot of
depth. The one area where we have missed is I
think we thought Jesus Ferreira could slot in
the number nine position if needed, and it looks
like that was wrong. I love the Jesus. He's still
better at the nine than Georgie. But I love the
Jesus signing because he's got the skill. I mean,
you're seeing that. Where would we be? I mean,
well, we would have lost our draws probably.
So anyway. And I love that we identified the
need and got a player of Ryan Kent's caliber
in. Is it going to work? It could. It could also
be late -stage Eddie Johnson -type deal, where
it could be we don't know what we're getting.
We don't know. But according to EAFC, and I think
we talked about this maybe on the Lost episode,
but he is the highest -rated player on the Sounders
now on EAFC. Really? Yeah. Well, his pace, he
was a... He was a kind of player that you could
basically spam his pace. And if you were playing
online against other people, he would be one
of those Bo Jackson Tecmo Super Bowl dating myself
here. But one of those players that you could
really spam or Jeremy Roenick in NHL 94. Make
Gretzky's head bleed. Yeah, I love it. You got
it. But yeah, so that's... NBA Jam. Good question
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-T -R -E -O -N dot C -O -M. Now back to your
regularly scheduled program. Let's go up to Alex
Diaz's question. Yeah, I mean, I think there's
a double that we should hit from him, which is
if we can't win a trophy, should we be looking
at SKC did with Peter Vermees and Fire Schmetzer
slash? I think it's time we bring back the Siggy
line and put Brian Schmetzer on the, he says
chopping block, but hot seat. Is essentially,
should Brian Schmetzer be on the hot seat and
is his path similar to Peter Vermees? I immediately
would say it. Well, yes, you obviously think
I, you know, I think he should be on the hot
seat. I don't think he should be fired right
now, but I think it needs to be a question. But
more importantly, you know that I despise Peter
Vermees' style of play and I would never put
Brian Schmetzer in the same boat. Peter Vermees
is everything that is wrong with the MLS and
the fact that he's gone. will make the MLS a
better, more skillful league. Peter Vermees'
teams went over 200 days without winning a game.
They lost 13 of 14 games, and their 14th game
was a draw. So let's just stop right there. Is
he the coach that killed Siggy? I mean, oh, my
God. I did not mean Ziggy. He was. He was. He
snuck into his house on Christmas. Jesus Christ.
I didn't even put two in there. Knocked on the
door. It was like, hey, Ziggy was like, hey,
Peter, how you doing? Merry Christmas. And I'm
just going to stop right there. Yeah. He was
still coach. He was. What do you mean still coach?
Peter Vermees has coached. SKC for the entire
Sounders MLS existence. It's so weird. Okay,
so all kidding aside, first off, I love Ziggy.
I hate Peter Vermees. His brand of soccer was
just so... It was worse. It was... It was...
It was trash TV. It was trash TV. So with that
in mind, The thing is, I really hate this Ziggy
line. I know you do. I really, really hate this.
Yes, I see the results. Yes, I see where we are
on the points. What that does not take into consideration
is the way we look while playing these games.
Now, granted. Oh, I think we look worse this
year than we did. I do not think. No. We had
two wins in that year, even though we're even
on the Ziggy line. We had two wins. That year,
right now. We only won right now. Which is a
complete anomaly compared to the rest of the
games. All our games. Antigua wasn't even that
impressive. To me, I'm not saying fire him. I'm
just saying, for me, he's on the hot seat because
he never missed the playoffs once. He was only
going to miss it the year he got fired. Brian,
I don't think we're going to miss the playoffs.
I actually agree with you on this, but I think
he has to be in the hot seat pending whether
or not we make the playoffs. I think it's too
early to have that conversation being a huge
talking point at this moment. I agree. We've
got to get the injured players back. Let's get
the injured players back. We've got De La Vega
playing. I expect Jordan's going to do what De
La Vega did this week, which is get 10 minutes
at the end of the game. I think Ryan Kent is
probably, my guess is, if the visa situation
gets sorted out, let's pretend he's got his visa
right now, I would say he's probably three to
four weeks out is my suspicion. I think by the
beginning of May, he would be in game day 18s,
kind of in the Kim Kihee time frame. I think
he could be in the 18s faster. He just wants
to be starting or anything. He could come on
for 10 minutes at the end, the way De La Vega
did, start to get him into MLS play before that.
When was the last time he played a match? Six
months. I think July to October of last year,
somewhere in that range. Yeah, so he didn't play.
He had a falling out with Jose Moreno. And so
he hadn't played in five months before we were
getting ready to sign him. So I will say that,
Not to get political, it's always tougher for
visas when the Trump administration is in office.
Because he's from England, maybe not as much.
Yes, that's something he's got going for him,
for sure. Dan the Bastard. By the way, shout
out to Dan the Bastard. Third straight week leading.
Wow. Winning the prediction challenge. You picked
San Diego? He got all five, right? So he picked
three, nothing San Diego. Oh my goodness. So,
well, I mean, Dan, the bastard in his defense
has, has been right. He's called out from the
start of this without Jordan Morris. He's been
very bullish on our struggles offensively. Yeah.
And he's been right. So, Dan, cheers to you.
I want to be the optimist. You're the realist
in this situation. You've nailed it. You've nailed
it. Three straight weeks. You're the Cameron
in this situation. I often. OK. No, no. But like
I often went against the sounders. Right. And
I kept doing it because I was like, realistically,
they're not going to win. And and then it became
a joke because then they started winning and
I had to keep doing it. Narrator. Cameron got
zero correct this week. I did because I picked
one nothing Sounders. I went three nothing Sounders
because I was going with my daughter and I wanted
all positivity. I did not have that much confidence.
Don't judge me. You and I got a point and I think
it was probably the over because I think we both
took the over. Three. Okay, so you went there.
You went to Augie's and then you went to the
match. You were in the supporter section. First
group of Sounders fans to do that for a San Diego
match. How were the first six minutes of the
match? How much fun did you and Gracie have for
that first six minutes? Gracie was having fun
initially because she thought just this is a
fun. So that was what, 90 seconds in? Yeah. She
just thought this is what it's like. Just the
lights are flashing and people are cheering.
And I was like, no, no. Here we go. This is going
to be a night. As soon as that happened, as soon,
and I watched the whole sequence of like, they're
breaking us down right there in the box, right
off of a, was it a corner kick, right? They just
played it short of corner. Yep. When they played
it short and there wasn't anyone within 30 yards
of them, I was just like, we're fucked. And sure
enough, they just passed it right in there. But
Gracie had fun. In terms of proximity to other
fans, it was kind of like they're pretty loose.
I think they weren't concerned about us because
I think I hadn't read any articles, but just
for people talking, there was like stabbings
and shit after the LAFC match or at least just
violence. Wow. Can I just point something out
real quick? I mean, just I did not have San Diego
making the playoffs at all. In their first seven
games, they've beaten the defending MLS Cup champions.
Then again, so has everyone else. They've beaten
LAFC. They've beaten LA Galaxy. They've tied
Columbus. They've beaten us. They are doing it.
It's not like they're playing against Chicago
Fire every week. They're playing. teams that
were expected to do really well and watching
the way they were dictating how the game was
played. I got to give them some hats off because
that first half was a boat race up and down both
ways. Everyone, both teams were just trying to
do it and they were connecting on their passes
really well and exposing us, especially in those
pockets, the first five minutes of the game and
the first last five minutes of the first half.
Yeah. And just to correct you, there was not
a stabbing, but there was a brawl that broke
out. I was like, I feel like I might have been.
Well, an LAFC fan sucker punched. There was a
verbal altercation going on between an LAFC fan
and a San Diego FC fan. And another fan walked
up and sucker punched him in a blindsided punch.
And then a brawl broke out. And then a brawl
broke out. So ugly scenes. You don't want violence
after matches. That's how you end up with the
sport not being able to continue in the United
States. Supporter culture will get crushed. The
chanting issues that happened at the beginning
of the season. It didn't seem, when I was there,
everyone seemed really nice. It's not their supporters
that were doing it, though. It's other fans.
We were outside the stadium from their supporters,
right? Our section entry was literally the opposite
of theirs. And just everyone seemed pretty chill,
but we also had a lot of, you could, I actually
purchased my tickets off a ticket master and
I could tell where the supporter section was
going to be because that was the only corner
of the stadium unavailable. So I purchased my
tickets that way for Gracie and I, and it just
seems like probably other Seattle fans who weren't
with, you know, the March and ACS also did that
because we. had a bubble of like blue and green
surrounding us, but I didn't feel any, I was
with her. My daughter was five and like, I didn't
feel any certain way. No one was hostile. Didn't
seem like a rivalry match. It just seemed like,
Oh, that's great that you guys are here and have
fun. I think it helps having a five -year -old
around me, but you know, we had a blast and the
weather was obviously killer. It was like 65
degrees all night. Nice. That's great. Yeah.
I mean, uh, I used to take my nephew to a lot
of sporting events at that age. And Nicholas
obviously takes Roma to a lot of sporting events
at that age. So I think it changes the way you
experience games, right? Because you can't react
the way and be as bummed as you are because you
want to have them have fun. Although I remember
when Corbin was that age, I took him to a Mariners
Blue Jays game and the Blue Jays scored and the
stadium was so full of Blue Jays fans. He started
cheering because everyone was cheering. So he
thought. That was time for him to cheer. And
I was like, no, no, no, wrong team. Stop having
fun. Don't be a Canadian. Hey. Thunderbirds headed
to overtime in their must win game six playoff
in the playoff series against the Everett Silver
Tips. You know, it's funny. So I was, I started
to say the story at the beginning of the show,
but I was in the car to get beer right before
the show. Who listens to AM radio? No one. Especially
not Randy. Alex asks this from Everclear Does.
What a random reference. Yeah, I'm going to struggle
to say it. I listen to 7 a .m. for Mariners games.
Well, this is what's weird. Do you like that
reference, by the way? Yes, it's awesome. I guess
I'm not allowed to actually tell this story.
Go for it. Now it's not even funny. I don't even
get it. Okay, so I'm driving down the road and
AM radio is on. I'm driving Randy's car. That's
weird. And they're mentioning Seattle and Berakovsky.
I'm like, what the fuck? I'm in San Diego. Why
is she listening to Spotify? It was somehow on
the 710, I presume ESPN, local station here,
picking up the Kings are playing the Kraken.
Oh, or that probably finished, you know, an hour
and a half ago, but like we were up to nothing,
I believe in the start of the second period.
So that was the most cracking games I've followed
all, all season actually. And I'm in San Diego.
We up two to one with four minutes left in the
third period. How about that? Against the flames
with four minutes left in the third period. What
a, what a day for my sports teams. See how quick
it can all change? See how quick it can all change?
Which is why even though the last match was a
real bummer, the Sounders have another match
coming up this weekend. Who are we playing against?
I have no idea. Dallas? Yeah, Dallas. Yeah. At
Dallas on Saturday, April 12th. We don't return
home until the 19th against the Nashville, not
Predators. Do they have Nashville FCs? I'm in
hockey mode now. So traveling to Dallas. I didn't
know how I feel about this. Leo Chu, of course,
scored a goal in the one match that disappeared.
Leo's going to have a hat trick, isn't he? Yeah,
Leo Chu is going to have a chance to come back.
We are not Sporting Kansas City. He can only
score against Sporting Kansas City. That is true,
but he has a chance to do something very funny
for him and sad for us and destroy the team that
gave up on him. I mean... I obviously thought
that was a good trade and they should have given
up on him, but here is a great opportunity for
him. Keep in mind the struggles we're having
offensively. last season were exacerbated when
our option was let's bring Leo Chu off the bench
and to put him in to get things. I mean, he was
our guy. He was your son, Aaron. He was your
son. Treated him like a father. Or someone was
a father. Someone was the daddy. But no. And
I liked Leo Chu, and I want him to have success.
Just not next weekend. But I just really want,
you know, Jesus Ferrer to have way more success.
That's who I picked to score in this last game
because I feel like. Leo Chu? That was a bad
move. He's not even on my drop down. I wrote
him in. I feel like it has to click. Every practice
they're going to have more and more time. And
I thought. And that was before I knew, like they
talked about, oh, Georgie's going to play it
forward, but I thought they were going to play
with two fours and put Jesus up there with them.
By the way, I never did. I think they would just
put Georgie up there alone. I just want to point
out. So when you're listening to certain pundits
around, around sounder world, especially non
-official sounders pundits. When they're there
at Longacres watching practices during the week
leading up to the games, they're seeing basically
the formations that the team plans to be playing.
They're seeing who they anticipate playing. So
when they're like, oh, well, what do you guys
think about maybe we should try putting Georgie
as a forward? But they saw that happening in...
You know, what's funny, though, is do you remember
the time Brian Schmetzer came to the Alliance
Council and walked us through the entire lineup
for the next day's game? Yeah, he gave us the
spreadsheet, the PowerPoint. He showed us what
he shows the players and what they were going
to do on set pieces and corner pieces. Corners?
We're going to do castling. We're going to switch
the rook and the king. But we saw, and then I
remember the next day, the potential lineup for
the Sounders came out from a pundit like that,
and it was completely wrong. And it was just
like, you were at practice all week, so either
A, they don't always do what they're going to
do at practice because they don't want the other
team to find out, which is possible, or B, they're
just practicing things in practice. He doesn't
always mean they're going to play him, but that
another reason to join the allowance council
is every once in a blue moon, meaning I think
twice in the last four or five years, because
we often have other guests as well, or instead
from the team, we do get coach Brian to come
in and I get to ask him questions about how you
deal with players because like Siggy Schmidt
yelled at them. Not every player responds to
yelling. Siggy was old school. That's not his
fault. That's how you coached back then. He,
and he said, Ozzie. You didn't need to say anything
to Ozzy. All you had to do was slide him a piece
of paper with his stats on it. And he'd be like,
you're right. Never had to say anything. But
there's other players you would have to give
constructive criticism. And then there's players
you'd have to yell at because that's what motivates
them. You need to know how each player is motivated
and bring that energy to them, which is why last
year when he suspended Raul and knew who I didn't
have a problem with it because. I guarantee you
that was on purpose. And also, it may not have
necessarily been for those two, although it clearly
helped with those two. It could have also been
a message to other players on the team and how
they need to respond. And when the club players
on the club were saying this is the tightest
locker room we've ever had, I think that speaks
volumes to that. You know, it was really fun
last season. You know, that is one really nice
thing is when you get to have these conversations
with players. And honestly, it's not just Alliance
Council. You know, you run into Craig Weibel
walking the stadium on game days. Talk with him.
I've run into him at Qdoba before. Talk with
him. He'll be very strict. He will absolutely
talk to you about things. You know, last year,
Andy Thomas, we had probably a 45 -minute to
an hour -long discussion about the methodology
and the gamesmanship psychology of penalty kicks.
Yeah. And we were just geeking, like all of us
were just geeking out and just talking theory
and game theory and just, it's really interesting
conversations. So I guess that's where. I guess
where I tend to get a little frustrated on the
Internet, and I should not read the comments
sometimes when it comes to, you know, especially
like Facebooks and Twitters and things like that.
Where I get really frustrated is if you want
to make an argument, the argument's there. We're
not scoring goals, absolutely. But when you're
using hyperbole to make an argument that's just
not really supported by the evidence in front
of us, it's like, come on. There are plenty of
good arguments that you can be making. Use those.
Don't be lazy in your arguments. Yeah, I mean,
last night, I tweeted after the match, I should
say, and I think the comment was yesterday that
came, that... I don't think Ryan Kent, and you
disagree because you talked about what he can
do scoring -wise, and that's good to hear. I
don't think Ryan Kent is going to have the impact
we hope he's going to have because he's not a
forward, and that's what we need is a number
nine, and I've still yet to see it. That being
said, this individual said, someone else said,
well, let's bring in someone over the summer,
and they said, rightfully, the only space they
have is for a U -22. you could bring in a player
for the club world cup but yes overall that is
that's it another i'll go ahead young young players
are by no means a sure thing agreed again and
this last clause i was like especially since
weibel doesn't do any scouting what he has an
entire staff of scouts scouting you don't even
need to fly anywhere anymore every single game
of every single team pretty much There's footage,
yeah. There's footage you can bring up at any
time and look at a player playing from any angle.
Yeah. Yeah, and there's, yeah, yeah. So to that
point, I want to say, the idea was always, you
know, the idea was always they were not going
to sign a U -22 in the winter transfer window,
this current transfer window. they felt they
put together a good roster to see, and that actually
proves quite prescient. Because now it's clear,
when you look at this roster, you have depth
at every position except one. Imagine if they
signed a U -22 winger, and now we have no ability
to go out and sign a U -22 forward. And now there
are some caveats. Yes. Caveat one. Yes, we basically
have the flexibility to sign a U22 player. At
this point, I believe Craig Weibel made a comment
on the record saying that they are looking for
not a project like a Leo Chu, where it took him
a while to ramp up into that, but someone who
can contribute burst team minutes immediately.
That's all they want to sign in these types of
positions are players who are going to challenge
for minutes. There's no point in signing someone
who's going to sit on the bench. Not a problem.
With that in mind, I do think that the other
challenge is this is the most difficult thing
to find an under -22 striker. They're going to
have to pay some money. At a price that is realistically
within our wheelhouse. I would expect now keep
my, we transferred Leo chew in for like, I think
two to 3 million, somewhere in that range. I
honestly believe that when we identify that you
22 player, we're probably going to end up paying
somewhere in the five to 7 million range is my
suspicion. That's my, that's my strong suspicion.
We're not going to go sign a $14 million player.
That would have been a DP level player. I think
they're a little risk averse on that. Um, some
teams have done that to different degrees of
success, Atlanta United. Um, but it's just, we
know it's not realistic. So, but I mean, they
could land on that and it's going to be an amazing
player. So go ahead. I was going to say before
we got to start getting close to pulling it into
port and we haven't talked about Dallas predictions
yet. So finish your thought and then we'll go
to that. Yeah, Aaron, what do you think? Okay,
so I think we're going to see a summer transfer
U22 player. It will probably be as a striker
position. I think it's very clear that that is
the gap that we need to fill. We've got a lot
of wingers. We've got a lot of creativity in
there. That gives us potentially more tactical
flexibility. having a two -striker setup. And
I do think Ferreira will figure it out at the
nine. That won't be his most effective position,
but by the end of the season, playoff time, if
he had to, I think he can play that position.
And he'll be more assimilated to just his teammates
and knowing where to be. Did I read that Rusnak
is hurt? I saw something about that on our Discord,
but I don't know if they were just... surmising
that maybe Jesus because he's our one goal in
the list. Right. But Jesus is proper position
could be dropping back to that 10. He would be
incredible in that position. So if that's the
case, I'm not as worried about it. Yeah. I don't
know anything about that as of right now. But
I can't tell you when Jesus and Albert are on
the field together. They got to kind of really
learn how to operate in each other's space, and
I think they're working on that when they get
that dialed in. I think we'll... I think, if
I'm being completely honest, the problem we have
in front of us right now reminds me a lot of
the 2013 Sounders, that Amoeba type of offense
where you had Dempsey and Oba and Mauro Rosales
and... and eddie johnson and like how do you
fit them all on the field and get them to interact
with each other properly and it i hope it doesn't
all this seems very forced yeah i hope i hope
it doesn't have similar results because it was
a struggle um where we had all the pieces for
that great 2014 team but I hope this isn't the
year before the year kind of situation. I'd be
okay with it if it's the year before the year.
I'd be okay if we're winning. And the next year
we won the Supporter Shield, I believe. And the
U .S. Open Cup. And we're one goal away from
winning MLS Cup. Yeah, yeah. If you're telling
me that we got to not make the playoffs this
year, we did make the playoffs. We did. To nearly
get a treble. To, yeah, have a chance at a treble
the next year. Yeah, I'm taking it. Absolutely.
But because I think we've got Ryan Kent as a
one -and -one option here. We've got Jesus locked
up, Paul Areola. That one's going to be – I don't
want to rely too much on Paul Areola coming back
from an injury. I think his effectiveness you're
looking at maybe about this time of the regular
season next year before he starts getting effective
again. It depends. I mean, Adrian Peterson managed
to do it in six months, so you know it's always
possible. But it's very dependent on a player's
body, and soccer tends to be – players who uh
are more cautious around that even though even
though adrian peterson was cutting while doing
that but the the positive is that he's got someone
who's gone through it twice right in the locker
room with them yeah and jordan morris and he
was there when he he was there when he tore his
jp yeah and jp yeah but so i i'm optimistic But
I like having that insurance policy of Ryan Kent.
And actually, I don't even want to say insurance
policy because I do think that. He's going to
be quality. We haven't really talked about him
because our last show was lost. I mean, we'll
get more into him when we have more time and
start seeing him on the field. Totally agree
with all that. Dallas coming up. Should be an
interesting game, obviously, on the road in Dallas.
It's a 5 .30 p .m. start Seattle time, which
means 7 .30 p .m. Dallas time. So even though
we're only in April and it could still get hot
there, I'm not expecting a lot of heat, I would
say. In fact, right now, Google has a 36 % chance
of a Dallas win, a 36 % chance of a Sounders
win, and a 28 % chance of a draw. Dallas currently
6 -8. I mean, Dallas is shipping goals like Seattle
as well. They've allowed one less goal than us.
Yeah, they scored four in three matches, though.
Yeah, they had three wins, two draws, two losses,
so obviously ahead of us, but by what, four points?
Yeah, I mean, Peter Moussa's definitely got some
talent there. Yeah, yep. uh they tied atlanta
in their last match beat sporting kc the match
before that obviously not a big thing beat dallas
i mean beat salt lake the match before that but
salt lake got a red card in the 23rd minute and
the goal was in the 45th plus seven uh and the
match before that they beat sporting kc again
oh wait no other way around uh i switched my
source so it went back but don't forget they
also got lucho acosta so i mean yeah the loss
to vancouver which that's Everyone's losing to
Vancouver, right? This Vancouver team is in first
place with five wins. So not a team you can sleep
on right now. Sounders, oh, we have six points.
Excuse me, not seven. So we are five back of
Dallas, but we have one more draw than them,
one more loss from them. It doesn't show that
they're that much better of a team right now.
Going into the game, just get ahead of it. When
you watch the game on TV, they're doing construction
on their... one side of the field. So it's all
under tarp. So it's going to look like their
attendance is embarrassing. We only have 11 ,000
capacity right now. Yeah, it is. It is a, the
one whole side of the field, the side that's
on the camera is under tarp and they're like,
wow, that sucks. But it's just unfortunate. Can
I just say St. Louis only has four goals on the
season, but they've only given up four goals.
So they're also at zero, but at least, at least
more than four goals. Jesus. Oh, gosh. San Jose
destroyed the team they played this weekend.
So some of our losses don't look as bad. And
LAFC is in ninth place, so maybe that win actually
looks better than it is. They are either good
or terrible. Three wins, four losses. San Jose,
I think, did they score six this past week? Something
crazy like that. They did, yeah. I mean, Josef
Martinez, Joseph Martinez had a hattie. And I
mean, yeah, hindsight 2020 kind of going, oh,
we could have. Why didn't we sign someone like
Joseph Martinez as our backup nine? Here's the
thing. It's a locker room transition. You put
a superstar like him. It's the same situation
with Raul last year. You know, if you have someone
who. I would have been happy with him. I would
have been stoked. It could have caused. The idea
of it, but he is not always well liked by some
of his teammates. And if you're getting in a
situation where – it's like signing Russell Wilson
to be your backup quarterback. It's going to
potentially bite you in the ass. That's going
to be hilarious. He's going to be starting in
New York Giants. Come on. Just that quarterback
room. But same thing. Look at Atlanta last year
when Kirk Cousins was having a little bit of
a struggle. Everyone's like, bring in Michael
Penix. Bring in Michael Penix. Same idea. The
moment Jordan Morris has a little bit of struggle,
it's like, bring in Joseph Martinez. Penix. Penix.
You just want to say it that way? I like saying
it that way. I will say Joseph Martinez is only
making $1 .3 million this year. Okay, then we
wouldn't have even been able to. More cap space
than we could have afforded to bring him in.
But still a great deal where he probably could
have gotten more money elsewhere, but went to
play for Bruce Arena. Yeah. Okay, we got to wrap
this up. We got to bring it in. And first, we
also, before anything else, have to mention our
Patreon. Yeah, but you got to say before that,
even Dallas score. You have the right to change
it before we get, when we actually get to it.
But just from talking today, what's your score?
We're losing. Okay. By how many? 1 -0 them. I
still don't see a goal in our future. We are
going to have Pedro starting, most likely. I
need to see it before I believe it. Okay. Do
you think Pedro and Jesus will start the game?
Do you think we'll bring Jesus back up at the
9? I don't know who else. Unless Danny Mazovsky
is ready. Against his former team. Get that former
team bump. What's your score then? 2 -1 Seattle.
I'm going to go 2 -0 Dallas. I just think Moose
is too good. Dan the Bastard, you're getting
people onto your side. Stop it. To the point
where Mr. Lingley here said maybe we need to
start talking about Moving on from Brian Schmetzer
on the Discord. I did say that. You didn't say
we should. I think I also followed that with
I've had a few margaritas. You embellish things
in a truthful way when you're drunk. I will just
say this. I've gotten to interact with Brian
Schmetzer on multiple occasions and seeing his
style. There is no world in which Brian Schmetzer
would allow his team to do what Peter Vermees
did that ended up getting him sacked. Agreed.
There are wins in our future. And he would leave
before that ever happened. That's what I'm getting
at, is he would step down before. If he's not
able to coach a team, he will leave. Yeah. And
I fully believe that. And when he says we are
stewards, I 100 % believe that. And I don't think
he's got the ego to feel like, oh, I can change
this when he can't. And I think he has earned
the benefit of the doubt. So with that in mind,
let's get back to some optimism. I feel like
the optimism comes back on. Let's start it against
Dallas. Join the Patreon. That's an optimistic
thing to do. We have some great Patreon members
that we love and we're going to be getting you
even more episodes beyond the secret lost one
that you got. That was the choose your own adventure
episode. I am going to eventually cut my own.
I'm going to take snippets of that episode and
start changing what I said. I don't think that's,
I think, I think we need a better show for Patreon,
but I think that would be the best. oh yeah we're
gonna have plenty of stuff you know it's an hour
show where i've got to take what was said and
i gotta come up with something clever to put
in instead but yeah we'll just stay awake for
like two more days and then do it it'll be incredible
that'll be the best show ever Just stream of
consciousness. I think it's time to pull this
completely into port. I know Nicholas is asleep
at the helm, and Aaron, I'm sure Randy would
like to... I am going to put this out there right
now. I swear to God, if my audio doesn't go through
right now... Just so everyone knows, we tested
this in advance to make sure we wouldn't have
this issue. Everything we're seeing on the screen
right now in quality check, there is going to
be no issue. And the crazy thing is the audio
went through, so we know my audio was working.
But for whatever reason, the podcast quality
audio wasn't there, and we just weren't able
to. pull the raw data feed. Yeah, it's just really
bad quality. By the time we realized we could,
the moment had passed. Yeah, exactly. Speaking
of which, since you missed Nick there, they can
find you on the internet. They can. Cascades
to see, right? Yeah, Cascades to see on Instagram.
Come find me. Looking forward to seeing you there.
What about you, Aaron? Where can we find you?
At Aaron Lingley on Instagram and on Twitter.
And at Scuttlebutt on Discord. The Scuttlebutt,
I think. The, capital T -H -E, Scuttlebutt. The
Ohio State University. I did create my own personal
Discord, though, or whatever profile, because
I didn't want to be the scuttlebutt. Were you
guys eating today before the game? The scuttlebutt,
sir. And I, of course, am LegalMindedPunk on
all social media platforms. All right. Well,
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