He's a tough kid.
All I gotta say is Portmanteca is a genius.
It's sensational.
It's Seattle South FC soccer.
Welcome to Sounders, Scuttlebutt, the ultimate podcast.
For everything rave green.
I'm your host, Aaron Lingley, and I'm joined by two incredible voices in the Sounders community,
Alliance Council Secretary Cameron Collins.
Hello.
That's me.
And the one and only Alliance Council extraordinaire, Nicholas Biella.
Why, hello there.
All right.
Well, we're here to break down all your Sounders mumbo jumbo game analysis, of course, and
the Scuttlebutt.
That's why we are we are Scuttlebutt.
So if you want to be part of the show, join our supporters section on Patreon that supports
us literally.
That goes right to hosting all the jazz behind the scenes.
And I really do appreciate it.
So I want to say thank you to our supporters in there.
What who do we have?
We got a new one.
Daniel P. Thank you, Daniel, for joining Alex D, James C, Pat C and Cedar.
And of course, you Cameron.
Yeah, me.
And then you can always join our discord.
That is where we pull the Scuttlebutt.
We have some great channels in there.
I think they're called channels, right?
Yeah.
That you set up, Cameron.
You guys are always active.
I am not as active, at least recently.
Should I drop the news?
I think so.
I think before you drop the news, we need some alcohol for this.
So whoa, you did not even wait.
That's like, oh, you are drinking alcohol.
Yeah.
I've been reading a lot of Irish history lately about how my relatives were genocided during
the potato famine and stuff like that.
So drinking some Guinness.
Good job.
Back to the paps.
Back to back paps.
Yeah.
I'm getting ready for my tournament.
I'm actually wearing one of my pond hockey sweaters.
Oh, that's right.
You got your attorney.
And it's still January, so no alcohol for you, Aaron.
Or is that off because of your big investment?
Well, yeah.
So I broke the streak of not drinking last week.
Understandable.
Yeah.
It is hard for alcoholics not to drink.
No, I accepted a job in San Diego, La Jolla to be exact.
I need a drink because I'm going to miss you.
Yeah.
Well, I need a drink because I'm going to miss you guys.
I mean, we'll still see you on the internet.
Yeah, we'll still do this.
This is not affecting everyone, everyone who is pulled over because they're freaking out
because they're listening to this in the car.
Because Scuttlebutt will survive.
I will still be on it.
Nothing is changing thanks to the technology of 2025.
We already do this virtually.
Yeah.
So, yeah, nothing's stopping.
It's important because we may be number two Sounders podcast in terms of numbers and downloads,
but I think we're number one in the people's hearts.
Absolutely.
So yeah, that's happening fucking a week from Saturday.
So I will see you both at the public presale party.
It's just insane, dude.
That's so fast.
Yeah, they needed me on the third.
And I mean, like I said, it's a job opportunity.
Is your family going down later?
Are you going down early?
Yeah, I'm going solo.
I will be back on the 13th because the evening of the 13th, Margo, her first birthday is
Valentine's Day.
So I'm not missing that and they totally understood.
So I'll be flying.
Plus I'm like living at the, well, everyone knows that listens to the show regularly that
I work in hotels.
I'll be staying at the hotel for pretty much until I find an apartment.
I'll be doing the scouting.
I got everything planned already.
So hopefully I can get a key turned and I'm in an apartment on the floor by myself with
my laptop.
Yeah.
Hotels are cool too.
I mean, yeah, I just, once I start working, like the weekend that I'm there, I'm not working,
right?
So I'll be just be with the rental car and I'll be, excuse me, going all over San Diego.
But once I start working, I don't know if I want to keep sleeping there just because
I'm now I'm your boss.
But anyway, that's just gets awkward.
Yeah.
So that's crazy.
They're moving.
So I'll probably be doing some shipping, shipping, freighting, one car as well and unpacking
10 days later.
So we'll be living pretty lean.
I'll probably be going to Ikea and shit.
You're leaving Winnie behind?
Actually.
So when I come back on the 14th, I'll be leaving on the 15th in the morning with Winnie behind
me and hook our cat in the back, right passenger seat, still trying to figure out the best
little system for him.
Like a little portable cat box on the floor, some drugs, you go to the vet, get some drugs.
That's the only way that cats making it that far.
That's true.
That's not a bad idea.
I'll be stopping in Redding.
There's actually a really nice like little hotel and it's really highly rated.
That was like 120 bucks that accepts cats.
So I'm guessing Redding is generally the stop for people relocating.
Yeah, it's good halfway mark.
Yeah, it'll be about nine hours.
It's nice you get to stay on I-5 the whole way instead of like going to San Jose.
We have to cut in.
Nick, I'm sure.
Do you ever do that drive?
I did.
I've done both five and I took the 101 all the way down.
I did not do that, but I did do five to 505 to 80 to 680 to 880 to whatever.
No, no, no, no.
The five.
No, no, we will be calling it I-5.
We will not accept that slander.
You're not becoming an LA FC fan or an LA Galaxy fan.
Or a San Diego FC fan?
You get a San Diego FC fan as long as you root for the Sounders first.
Of course.
I'm actually pretty stoked about that.
They'll be moving there just before the season starts for them and Snapdragon.
I mean, San Diego is pretty easy to get around.
It's a pretty small, big city, right?
And Snapdragon is pretty much downtown.
So anywhere we pick to live will be pretty close to that.
So I'll definitely, absolutely go into the, when Sounders go there.
But anyway, yeah, I'll probably come up once every few months, especially over the summer
because that's going to be hard for me to be apart from PNW summer.
Born and raised here.
It's surreal.
I'm going to get it.
But if you're going to be one place that's not Seattle in the summer, San Diego is nice
year round.
I mean, it's not like it's going to be a hundred degrees there.
It's going to be 80 degrees with a nice windy breeze like it is here.
Yeah.
That's, I mean, I had family in Mission Valley, so I'd go to San Diego like growing up about
a week or two at a time.
And I just loved La Jolla, loved San Diego.
So much to do for the girls too.
Every apartment community has a pool and like a fitness center and like all that jazz.
So SeaWorld is still there.
You can go see Shamu murder the attendance.
I don't think that was Shamu.
No it wasn't.
It starts with a K. I get my blankie on the name.
I'm on the fence about SeaWorld.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of SeaWorld.
You ever saw the black fish?
Yeah, that's what I was referencing.
But it wasn't Shamu.
I think it's Shamu's grandkid that was the one that did that.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Zoos.
I mean, as a vegan, I don't love zoos, but then you have something like Seattle Zoo,
Woodland Park Zoo, which rehabilitates bald eagles and basically helped them no longer
be endangered.
They were an endangered species and thanks to the zoo amongst a few others, they no longer
are.
I mean, at the same time.
Yeah.
And both San Diego and Seattle both kind of revolutionized the idea of creating natural
habitats for the animals in there and really kind of redefining versus what you traditionally
would think of as a zoo, which is just animal cage.
There you go.
Especially San Diego Zoo because it's huge.
Yeah, it's huge.
And the one time I went, I've probably been there more than once, but I got to see peacocks,
which was pretty crazy.
Peacocks walk around Woodland Park.
Yeah.
Oh, really?
Oh yeah.
It's fun when they scare the shit out of people that are unsuspected.
Yeah.
I went to one in Paris.
Maybe it was in Stuttgart.
It was when I was living in Paris and I saw giant king penguins and that was cool.
That's cool.
They're like three feet tall.
So anyway, yeah, that's the news.
Aaron is moving.
So if you are a pub leaguer and you're listening and you're going to be at our spot on Saturday,
come give me a goodbye hug.
Yeah, I got, I got a question for you.
How was my intro?
Good.
You don't sound sick anymore.
That's true.
And I figured reading would be better.
And I was like, you know what?
Chat GBT.
Here's the prompt.
And it worked.
And it was pretty good.
Yeah, sure.
That was the first try.
I mean, they had to burn down an entire force in the Amazon in order to create the energy
for it to write you that paragraph.
But that's okay.
I actually was just at an event at Seattle University put on by the department.
I used to teach in which was arts leadership department and the department that I now teach
in which is the sports and entertainment master's program that was entertainment evolved a conference
on the business of entertainment.
And there was a discussion on AI's impact and content creation, distribution and stuff
like that.
It was kind of fascinating and how here, you know, it's largely frowned upon.
This was actually an audience member, but the professor who was leading the talk brought
them into the conversation for a second, because we think about it like they're using AI usually
in Hollywood in order to not have to pay actors.
I mean, that's part of the reason why the strike went on recently, right?
Like this stuff's happening.
But there's an AI film festival coming up in March, which I'm not sure I feel about.
But what I did find interesting was they someone emailed the guy putting it together because
they didn't ask for a free entry because they couldn't afford it.
And it's because they're from Iran and they can't have a bank account to give money to
anyone in the United States because it's frozen.
Like they can't transfer money that way.
And actually, that's how they make films there with AI because every camera and microphone
you buy would be tracked.
And so the only way you can make content that would be of a dissident sort would be to use
AI because that's not tracked, at least not right now.
So that was a pretty fascinating discussion.
That is interesting.
Nicholas, you and I just prior to Christmas attended a Rick and Morty themed musical.
We did.
What was that?
We did.
Back to the future, the musical.
Yeah.
So last night, and let's have you talk into your microphone.
I know you got your new setup, but when you turn away, we don't get to hear your robust
awesomeness.
Good to know I'm kind of dialing in that sweet spot with the new setup.
Yeah.
So last night, frequent contributor to the show, Dan Boniface, and father of future
Seattle sounder Beckham Boniface, attended and then wrote an article for the Denver Gazette
entitled Back to the Future, the Musical Comes to Denver Unlocks Nostalgia for This Superfan.
So we'll be sure to share that in the show notes here because it's pretty cool little
read.
He critiques some of the changes, which we won't talk about too much, but obviously there
were some changes from the original story that he and I had a discussion about when
he got off last night.
Because I think there's some things that don't make sense to modern audiences.
No.
Like what's a Libyan.
I gotta say, that's pretty impressive considering we're on the same path there.
I had written articles for a local newspaper in Denver as well during my time when I was
living there.
So the DU clarion.
So kids going somewhere.
Yeah.
I mean, the Denver Gazette is nice because unlike the Denver Post, they're owned by a
billionaire.
They're owned by the LA Galaxy owner.
So they can put articles in that maybe others can't because they're allowed to be more creative
instead of just trying to get only clicks.
Good times.
For sure.
Yeah.
I got something I've been doing that's sounder related.
Okay.
Well, sounder specific.
Actually, I'm almost done reading.
A book?
Sound and Glory.
Matt Pence's book.
Matt Pence.
Yeah.
And it's good, man.
Oh yeah.
I've been flowing through it.
You gave it to me like a year ago.
It's been in my, I haven't read.
I've been taking the bus.
My dad, we ran into Matt.
My dad was with me and we ran into Matt Pence in an elevator on the way to when they unveiled
the Sounders nightfall jerseys at what was the Jersey sponsor place called?
They sold mainly women's and babies clothes.
But no, they were on the front of the sponsor.
They were sponsored.
Oh, Zulily.
Zulily.
Okay.
So we were going, you were there, Nicholas, right?
When we went to Zulily.
Yeah.
And we ran into Matt Pence and my dad was super stoked because he loved that book.
Yeah.
He did a really good job.
And I was thinking, I don't know, maybe, well, first off, did you apologize when you ran
into him?
We did not fist bump him.
But it'd be good to have him on the show.
That'd be a good Patreon episode actually.
Yeah, definitely.
I'm not sure where Matt is now.
I feel like he is elsewhere, but definitely worth tracking him down because obviously
he could talk a lot about that and we're always happy to.
Oh, he works.
He works for the athletic now.
Yeah.
So it's good to have him on, just talk about his book because maybe he'll send more copies.
And if you haven't read it yet, I mean, we'll be corporate shows.
Go out and buy it because it's pretty awesome.
Speaking of the Nightfall Jersey, have you seen the leak of the LA Galaxy Away Kit?
Because honestly, that one looks to me very much like what the original concept behind
our Nightfall Kit was going to be.
And it makes me wonder if Adidas just basically files some of that stuff away for, okay, we're
going to revisit this idea.
Yeah, because it's not like the design.
We had that design, but it definitely is in the vein of what it should have been, could
have been.
And actually, I have it up.
Yeah, go ahead.
Screen the share.
I shall do that.
And editors note, Matt Pence is not with the athletic anymore.
It looks like he's not even in writing anymore.
I mean, he's probably sure on freelance.
He's a consultant somewhere.
I saw on his LinkedIn if it's up to date, but not somewhere that I've actually heard
of.
But shout out to Matt.
You guys should ping him.
Yeah, I will for sure.
Anyway, so yeah, share your screen.
I want to see what you're talking about.
Did you guys put it in Discord?
Has it been discussed?
No.
Not yet.
So basically, it was a sunset on the beach.
So yeah, I mean, I think it's like a modern...
Just as what it would have been in modern time versus the more chunky straight up black
and pink colors we got.
Multiple pinks.
For sure.
There's my SoCal.
For sure.
For sure, bro.
But yeah, as of right now, 18 kits have been leaked.
The Sounders are not one of those 18.
I'm impressed.
I'm glad.
Let's keep it that way.
Yeah.
I mean, Sounders have been pretty good about keeping things under wraps for the most part.
And so we'll see how that goes.
There's release date.
But I'm looking forward to it.
Look at this.
This is a completely different, but it's an Inter Milan kit.
This is someone saw it and then made their own version based on the recollection.
But this is the leaked Inter Milan kit, which is interesting.
It looks like a pharmacy, like a European pharmacy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's in the green pluses.
That's a weed.
So I don't know if you guys heard me or if you're just ignoring me, but you guys don't
know when is the Sounders kit release date.
Should be mid February.
Yeah, mid to late February.
It's whenever the league does their Jersey week.
And we're usually one of the last to do it during Jersey week.
This is a really ugly away shirt that New England Revolution had.
It's a white t-shirt with red accents.
The white t-shirt.
And typically what happens is MLS tries to coordinate them all to happen at the same
time.
And they usually give about a three day window where they will stagger the releases within
that three day window.
And ours is about leaked before by not FIFA, what's EA24, whatever it's called.
So here's all the leaks if you want to see them together.
And some are all right, some are normal and some are what the hell.
Well, the San Jose earthquakes one looks very much like a 12 year old boy, the front of
his high school notebook, complete with the S that everyone would draw.
The Stussy S. Yeah, the Stussy S is on the Jersey.
Is it really?
It's bad.
It really is.
I mean, it's not worse than the LAFC one though, the white t-shirt with the gold, but I haven't
seen it.
I don't know.
I am jealous of black and gold Portland Jersey.
I've always wanted to do black and gold.
I thought LAO, is it green?
Oh, okay.
Nevermind.
It just looks black on my screen.
I like how they don't have ours.
So they said, this is their logo, so it probably looks like this.
I'm trying to find the San Jose one up close, but they have not seen it.
It's bad.
Oh man.
I think we posted it.
Oh, there it is.
See, right there under the crest.
Under the crest is the Stussy S.
I might get sued for that.
I love the idea behind it.
I don't know if the execution is great.
I like the old Quakes logo on it that looks like an earthquake.
Of course, shout out to the 408, which is still my area code from when I lived down
there.
But yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about that.
I'm not a big fan.
I like that it's not a t-shirt like the-
Yeah, and maybe it looks better in person.
Some of those look better in person.
I mean, it looks like that we got templates.
This is, look at the Nashville one.
It's Michigan blue and gold, or yellow, but it's the same as the LA, well, it's the same
as the St. Louis one, but with different colors.
It's the same as LA, FC.
So yeah, a lot of people are just getting template kits.
That sucks for them.
Yep, sure does.
And I know you guys know ours.
Do you like ours this year?
I do.
Yep.
I do.
I put it on par with Austin is the best too.
I'm a fan of Austin.
And I think the LA Galaxy one is up there.
Honestly, I like the LA Galaxy.
I can't give it to the Atlanta one, the red and black stripe.
It's their normal kit with just subtle differences.
So the San Diego one's boring.
Oh, these are all the carried over.
Kansas City one's boring.
The Kansas City one's boring.
The Minnesota one's intriguing with the clouds.
But as a whole-
Because you know they have clouds in Minnesota.
Oh, they do?
Yeah.
That's good to know.
That's pretty.
I mean, it looks more like a public attempt, the Minnesota one.
But anyways, none of these are anything close to public.
These are things that we really shouldn't really be talking about on a podcast when
it's a visual medium right now.
That's true, but people-
But here's the thing-
Well, the link is in the show description.
Open the link in the show description and they can pull it up while they're listening
to us talk.
While they're driving.
And we'll post the photos into the Discord as well to keep the conversation going.
We could also one day do a slideshow that we attach to the show so it goes on YouTube
and is available on certain podcasting apps.
I do that with another podcast I listen to.
I can pull it up and watch what they're talking about.
But hey-
We'll do a video one day.
It's also silly season right now.
We've got a lot of transfers coming in these last few weeks.
Charlotte, man.
Charlotte doing it up.
You don't have to comment on that.
You know what I'm talking about?
I don't know what's going on.
Tell me.
I've been busy.
I'm not sure.
I know they sent one of their-
Let me get the actual-
Swiderski.
The actual, yeah, Swiderski with the Pantheonocos?
But they are bringing in a big time player from Europe, Wilfred Zaha, former Man United
star.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So I haven't seen the latest news on it.
Yep, they confirmed the signing of the game.
They're going to be doing a live stream of the game.
So we're going to have a live stream of the game.
They're going to be doing a live stream of the game.
So I haven't seen the latest news on it.
Yep, they confirmed the signing of former Manchester United and Crystal Palace winger,
Wilfred Zaha on a one-year-long-
What's his age now?
I think he's 32-ish.
Yeah, 32.
No, he's not in his 20s anymore.
No, yeah, yeah.
But still, I mean, there's certain players.
I don't love signing players of that age, but there's certain players that have a skillset
level of a player.
Yeah, that's a good sign.
Other things, the Dallas Allen Velasco Taboka Juniors has been finalized.
So Dallas is in full rebuild mode for sure.
San Diego, your future home, did sign Luca de la Torre.
That's a big move.
Yeah, yeah.
I think Luca's a San Diego native, I believe.
I could be wrong about that, but-
Oh, interesting.
He was.
I was sent Kossi Tafari over to LAFC as well, the defender.
I did not realize that.
So they're going, and the LA Galaxy sent their-
Mark Delgado to LAFC.
Which is weird.
I don't get that.
He must have wanted to stay in LA, but they were going to move on.
Well, they had to because the Galaxy were running into an issue where because Ricky Pooj is going to be on their books all season long, because they expect him to come back around playoff time, you couldn't use your mechanism to basically put them on a season ending reserve and take them off the books.
So because of that, they're basically rolling with two DPs throughout the year. And when a team win the championship, a lot of time to get that championship bump in salaries.
Keep in mind roster bonuses also can count against the salary cap.
So LA Galaxy, unfortunately, probably had to get rid of a few players that they didn't really want to just as cap casualties.
You're right about San Diego, by the way. He is born there.
I thought so. I thought Luca Delatorre is from there.
What about this big move right here though?
Eric Zavoletta?
Yeah. Former Seattle Sounder. Former not defender that the Sounders turned into a defender like they are currently doing with our boy Josh.
Resigned with LA Galaxy.
Well, I mean, that makes sense because apparently he can only play against teams that go against the Sounders in the playoffs.
Or only play for teams that his uncle is the coach of after leaving the Sounders, because he played for Toronto and then he played for LA Galaxy where his uncle's the coach.
But with that said, Portland, they acquired Kevin Kelsey from Shakhtar Donetsk.
So 20 year old U22 spot, $6 million transfer fee.
So it's interesting because Portland had a really potent offense last year.
Yeah, defense was where they needed to shore up.
Well, you got to keep in mind that Evander wants out and has been very vocal about that.
So this has got to be a move in that direction.
No!
Is this us?
Oh, no.
Speak words.
No. Okay. This is a different Igor Jesus.
Igor Jesus?
Yeah, there was a different one that I wanted the Sounders to sign who's a young Brazilian.
But okay.
I'm glad it wasn't the one I wanted.
I was going to be so sad.
But yeah, I mean, we were seeing moves all over the league that-
Jonathan Bomba going to Chicago.
That's a big one for sure from Kelta de Vigo.
I mean, LA Galaxy bringing back Yoshida is pretty big because he started for them in the MLS Cup final.
Well, it was also clear that Delgado wasn't part of their plans anymore.
And so shoring up the defensive side is probably a priority for them for sure.
But it sounds like the other Chicago rumored transfer, Neymar coming into the league,
that looks like that is going to be on hold as Neymar appears to be locking in and settling in with Santos, his home country, one of his youth teams.
And that's probably for the best because I mean, I don't know if you've been paying attention to Neymar's production over the last few years, but it has not been great.
Yeah, he's been hurt and when he has played, yeah, not good.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's probably an addition by subtraction for Chicago there because I feel like that would have absolutely turned into a who is in New York City, a Pirlo situation or a Girard situation for sure.
I thought this move was interesting. So I want to make sure to talk about that. Ariat Pio from MacArthur FC in the Australian A-League to Real Salt Lake because he's only 20.
So he signed a three year deal with an option for a fourth year. He had four goals and 14 appearances since making his professional debut.
So he was brought in by Chief Soccer Officer Kurt Schmid.
Former Sounders. Yeah, I didn't know when he went to RSO. I was wondering about it as well.
I remember earlier this year we talked about it on an episode. So clearly like last year or the year before.
I will say though, I think this is a good sign for the league that we're talking about a lot of U-22 signings with some decent transfer fees of north of two plus million.
This is exactly what we want to see out of this league and see that growth, see those exciting moves.
I'm very pleased with both what we have but also just seeing what other people are doing and everyone's got a different approach to it.
And I think that that's good for the league. And the biggest signing news of the day, of course, came out on Instagram.
On his very own Instagram, Kim Kihee announced that he has signed with the Sounders. Spoiler alert.
We're going to have a call back to Kim Kihee later on. What's that? I heard what you said. Sorry, what did you say, Aaron?
I was wondering where you were, what platform that came from?
Instagram. He posted on his own personal Instagram page in Korean.
So the reason I found out was somebody who speaks Korean posted about it on Twitter.
X, whatever you call it. I did post my first ever thing on Blue Sky. It's just a sexy photo of myself.
But I made my first Blue Sky post after having that page for like a year. Page, account, screen name, what do you call it?
What are we going to do with Kim Kihee? I'm on his Instagram. I don't see anything. It's in Korean. It's a big long post with text.
It says he only has four posts. That can't be right. That's probably not him then. But yeah, so Kim Kihee is a Sounder.
Thank goodness he'll provide hugely for the locker room. Yeah, I loved him.
And hey, also fun, fun news that came out today was that Sounders photographer Mike Bichner finished second place in the World Sports Photography Awards.
With his photo from the US Open Cup of a player we're going to talk about in a little bit, Kalani doing a flip after scoring a goal.
That was such a cool shot. And that was a fun game to be at too.
And that's one of those shots that every time I look at that photo I notice a different part of that photo. It's a composition of it. It's got great emotion in it.
It's just a really, really excellent photo. So congratulations to Mike for finishing second place in the World Sports Photography Award. That's really, really exciting.
Yeah, I don't know Mike very well, but he's always so friendly when I talk to him.
Yeah, we use that for our Instagram posts too. Oh really? Yeah, I had him upside down against Phoenix with the...
Sorry, my cat. Yeah, I thought it was a child at first, but your cat is so cute. I had to do a look behind me to make sure. I need those drugs now for that cat.
I'm not in my garage. No, you can see there's a bed behind you this time. Well, yeah, we just wanted to match the other podcast that has a cat that shows up sometimes I guess.
Anyway, yeah, no, we used an Instagram post for a new episode and we had that silhouette of him.
But also we made it with flames. Flames? Phoenix. Yeah. Moving on. Do we have any more Scuttlebot? I can't think of any more super exciting news other than Nine Inch Nails announced that they're coming to town and you're not going to be here for it, Aaron.
I think that probably show we could have gone together. I think it's August.
Yeah, dude. Okay, so Payne Field by my house up here in Everett. $114 direct to San Diego. Okay.
So maybe you will. I can easily come up here for a night and go back down. Another thing I'm stoked about, I can drive to LA, go to a Laker game and come home on the same day.
You can. I'm gonna go to San Diego. I don't know why you would, but you can. You know exactly why. I know why you would. Excuse me. I don't know why one would.
Yeah. Look for me on the... Yeah, but with traffic, you know that's gonna be like three hours. Like I could probably drive to Portland in the same time you could drive from San Diego to LA.
That's true. It says it's a 90 minute drive as the crow flies. Yeah. It's anyway.
Oh, this is the roster for today's Sounders game. Okay, let's talk about the second half. Patrick GC has an interesting thought for us to ponder. I don't know. Did you guys read it?
Yeah, he posted it originally in the Sounders Scuttlebutt channel. I asked him to put it over in the mailbag for the show because I thought it was an important question that I certainly have strong opinions on, but I'm curious what y'all will think.
Yeah, Nick. You want to read it off, Nick, while I try to kill my cat? Okay, that'll be fun.
So the question is... It's on your screen, by the way, if you just want to look up at it. I am. I am. So do you think it would have been the same result for the first 15 games with Rothrock and Georgie on the roster from day one?
How are we supposed to take it seriously? When Aaron is here literally yelling at his cat.
Trying to throw a sock at him.
Throwing a sock at him as if the cat's gonna be like, okay, dad, sure. It's not Dempsey. Dempsey the dog would give it. It's a cat. That cat would give a fuck.
He doesn't. He's under that now, though. So I think the gist of what he's saying is ideally if Rothrock was in the starting 11 from day one, obviously they're both on the roster from day one.
But yeah, so basically if you're taking the standard roster from the last 15 games of the year and extrapolating that to the first 15 games of the year, do you think it'd be the same result?
That's the gist of the question. And Aaron, why don't you start us off with that? What do you think as far as would we have improved? Would we have about the same? Would we have been a little worse? What do you think?
That's an interesting question. I mean.
That's a child now.
That's a child, right? That's not a cat like talking words.
That would be from next time.
Oh, okay.
I thought your cat was like, oh my goodness. My cat is. Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, motherfucker, you want to throw socks at me?
I'm gonna shit in your mouth tonight while you sleep. I do. I do have a friend who when her husband woke up, put the cat or she put the cat out and when her husband woke up, left to go to work and she was in the shower and she came out and the cat had gotten back in the room and was standing over her pillow waiting for her to come out of the shower, locked eyes with her and then peed on her pillow as a punishment.
And my cat was like, I know what you did and I'm going to get you.
Patrick GC's like just answer the damn question.
Okay, just state it again.
Yeah, if Georgie and Roth Rock had been on the roster from day one as we saw them break through in the season, would the results. Would the sounders have struggled as much or the results have been better.
My question is if they were then where is Pedro, then which I guess he was injured right but
I think they would be better right because
only because of the Ferrera and Raul swap.
I'm sure now if you had Ferrera but I mean just last year.
Like, well that's what he's saying and sub Ferrera for Raul.
That's the second half of the season he's talking about the first half.
So comparing. No, I'm I think he's saying if you took the second half team subbed in Ferrera for Raul.
That's the second question. We're only talking about the first one which is if you had Roth Rock and Georgie.
Yeah, the second one is really basically him saying that that would be what this year's team is looking like.
Yeah. So if you had Roth Rock and Georgie from day one, would we have won some more of those games.
I think probably.
It's tough to tell because the other thing you got to remember is the human element there.
We needed to the team needed to see and realize as well and trust in Brian that Raul was no longer the answer.
And unfortunately part of that is exactly.
That's a great thought.
And so we did need to see we needed to give Raul the proper runway. We need to give him a chance to to prove it on the pitch.
Unfortunately, much like Nico the year before, just at the end of the DP contract and where he wasn't putting up DP production anymore.
And and with that in mind, whether or not we would have been better.
I'm very happy with the way the season went as a whole.
And we largely stayed out of the the drama.
You heard multiple players talk about how tight the locker room was.
So I'm going to say that I'm OK with it the way it actually played out.
And I don't think Georgie was ready.
I mean, he had to show some stuff just to get signed to the team, let alone start playing regularly for the team.
And he needed to play those minutes at Defiance in order to get to that place.
And those were minutes of success.
So I don't if he had come in from day one, he wouldn't have had the same confidence coming in.
He wouldn't have been starting the same way.
So I don't know if we would have seen it.
Maybe we would have had more options to sit players because.
Everyone was playing poorly, not everyone.
The deal wasn't on the offensive side, everyone was running poorly.
Like people were missing easy goals that they never miss.
So I don't think we advanced as far as we did.
Like Nick, you just said, if we didn't go through those trials and tribulations.
So, yeah, but moving this year, I think I think Ferreira sub-Ferraoui plus the other additions we've talked about that.
I mean, we'll be better this year.
We'll be better. Yeah, that's why I was reading it that way.
But after today's game and we saw what Pedro looks like when he is more fit than he was last year.
Boy, I'm I'm I'm pleasantly surprised, not surprised, but I'm happy.
And again, keep in mind one more thing I cannot I cannot underestimate this.
Paul Rothrock in the vein of this question, and I would agree with it 100 percent that Paul Rothrock was our starting winger.
Yeah, absolutely. Locked in second half of the season.
Who did we have playing because Chu started early, but then was sitting.
Who did we have playing at left wing?
Well, it was basically it was basically Jordan Pedro.
And then it was a little bit of a read.
It knows like Jordan on the left with Raul of Topp.
Little bit, but then a pretty soon.
Yeah, I guess it was it was 11 games into the season when and then and then she got a few runs out as well.
She got some runs out. So we saw Reed.
We saw. Yeah. So, OK.
But and then Rothrock took that job.
And then Rothrock basically took that when that all came about when Alex rolled on, got that concussion like, you know, 30 seconds into that one game.
Yeah. And and they subbed him on.
And so really interesting, you know, just seizing your moment for sure.
Yeah, I think more like that Patrick's questions hindsight, right, because Georgie obviously was better at the end of the season than he was.
Like you were saying, Cameron, he was he needed to come in to finance, but he's also saying not in the starting 11.
He's saying in his question on the roster, so he would have presumably just, you know, a few minutes here or there, which we were saying if Georgie has 15 to 10 minutes at the end of a game, it's going to terrify.
Yeah, basically, Georgie was taking all of Leo Chu's minutes from last year, basically, is the way I interpreted that question for sure.
I think that was the intent. But but but that goes back to the point that I was starting to make a few moments ago is that you have Paul Rothrock, who is your locked in left winger to the second half of the season.
He's third on your left wing depth chart right now, behind Ariella and Morris.
It's crazy. It's crazy the depth that we're going to have the options we're going to have coming off of off of the bench this year and the attacking flexibility that we're going to have I'm really excited for that.
I can change the share so that you can see what see this better that we have today's roster.
Well, well, should we break, we should go to break, but I just wanted to look at it in terms of where people fall on the list because yeah looking at that.
You definitely have, you know, Jordan up top but then potentially he can play on the left, you have Ariella on the left potentially, you know, more natural on the right maybe but still, you have PDLV who can play on the left you have
Ferrera, who could play on the left so we definitely have a embarrassment of riches on the wings and up top. Now, we just need to see execution.
And I'm glad that Frye of course in today's game played the CK I don't know what position that is but
he got him to play the CK on the list, the goalkeeper.
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All right. Where are they playing? They're in Spain, right? They are. They're in Spain right now. Marbella Football Center. Marbella. World Class Center.
They have multiple pitches, which is why the streaming was so nice today. I think that's better.
The angle of it though made me not recognize Newhoo because it was the lens is kind of a, it's not a very strong wide angle lens, but it's strong enough that it made me go, well, who is that? Oh, that's Newhoo.
But everything looks cooler with a fish eye lens.
So yeah, it was a Sounders versus Puskas Academia FC out of Hungary. Top of the table in Hungary. They are halfway through their season.
I looked up their value of their players and kind of, you know, how much the team's total value is.
And while they have some players that are more valuable overall, they're kind of on par with a USL Championship team. So their overall value is right up there.
So the second division right below the MLS. So higher than Defiance for sure, because Defiance is what, third-ish now? Third, between third and fourth kind of.
So yeah, so it's not like we were playing world beaters, but you know what? It was a game and you got to show up and perform. And for 45 minutes the Sounders did it, right Nick?
Yeah, I mean, this is a team that's going to be in Champions League next year at the current rate.
And so I thought the game was fast paced, especially the first half. I thought there was a lot of quick touches by both teams.
They gave us a lot more space than I think an MLS team would have. But you know, I think we still have a lot of room to get better.
This is the first game we've played of competitive bowl.
And yeah, so our starting lineup was for the first set, they split it up into two squads. Each squad played 45 minutes.
The starting lineup for us was Steph Ryan Goal with Nuhu, Stuart Hawkins, Yeymar, and Kalani Kasi Rienzi.
He of the flip that we were talking about earlier on right back.
Then you had Danny Leyva and Joe Paolo in the center with Paul Arreola, Sebastian Gomez, another Academy guy, Defiance guy, and Pedro with Jordan Morris up top.
We played very direct offensively. That was really nice to see.
Now, is that sustainable? Is that just more, oh, we haven't really practiced building out our passing sequences. So we're playing a little more direct for that reason.
Or is this going to be a true change to our style? I don't know. It looked like at times we had three centerbacks.
Yeah, because you can really see, especially on the left, you saw Nuhu getting up the field. And even in the second half, you saw Souza getting up the field.
And so there were times where it wasn't even like they were crossing over. It was that the left mid and the left back were moved all the way up.
Yeah.
But we saw a great ball movement. I mean, I think Pedro's goal was fantastic. He was the fittest we've ever seen him. His ball movement was great. His off the ball play was good. He had a goal and assist.
Yeah, goal and assist in 45 minutes. It was really all over the place being very aggressive and challenging.
Playing in the middle of the field too. I mean, he obviously was in a regular position, but he's not strictly stuck in that position.
Yeah. So unfortunately with the way that the stream was and the way that the camera was, Paul Ariola was mostly on the far side of the field from kind of the single fixed camera.
So it was a little hard for me to analyze what I saw from him. And plus I was watching from my mobile phone.
Yeah, I had it on YouTube on my big bedroom TV. But even then, yeah, he was still on the other side.
But I mean, you got to see a lot of ball movement and I don't know, it felt good. It felt like this is how we should be playing and this is how we should have played last year as opposed to the second half, which kind of felt like last year to me.
Well, I mean, again, this is a team, Puskas, who have the third most goals scored in the Hungarian League and we shut them out. And that's through 17 games. So I think that's a very, very good thing.
They have the second highest goal differential right behind Farin Kavos, who you'll probably recognize from some FIFA games.
But yeah, so this is not a walkover team.
And this is the first competitive air quotes like match this team and was playing and I'm assuming I didn't watch it live. But I'm assuming there was no sub maximums right?
Correct. They swapped the entire line switch for the second half.
Quick question. Why wasn't Jesus there? Why should I know that?
Oh, he was with the USA, so he hasn't made it there. I mean, he may have made it there right now.
It released him, so he was on his way. So he's just he hasn't been practicing with the team yet.
They fully expect him to be playing in the next game, which will be on the 31st.
It was interesting how far spread out they are.
That might also just be timing as far as who they're getting.
Yeah, I mean, we play to we play hammer B and nor nor coping the same day back to back. So that'll be on February 5th.
So that'll be interesting. I don't love a 4 a.m. Seattle start time.
But hey, that's fine. We get a 7 a.m. for the second game, which was today's start time, although I felt like it started a little late.
I wish we could. There could be replays to watch it.
We watch it on YouTube. Really? I believe so. Yeah. Same same channel that you can pull it up and watch the whole thing.
There you go. And then, of course, we play Alborg BK and then come home to play Louisville on February 12th.
Louisville city. Yeah, when I was in elementary school, my best friend moved to Louisville.
Ten thirty a.m. I wonder if we can sneak into that one. February 12th.
Good times. That's actually the day before I leave for Denver. So that's not an option for me.
You know, I'll be too far down south on the five.
Oof. Oof. Yikes. No. I five. Get it right.
Get it right. Get it tight. Yeah. So I'm excited. Hey, it's nice to be talking right.
Nice to be talking. We got Sounders football. Sounders football is here.
It's interesting the teams we do play because their midseason ends up being a lot of these.
I think we talked about it before that I was pleasantly surprised that we played a Hungarian team that ends up being these like Sweden, Norway, Denmark type teams.
Who I wonder that makes sense. So they're on a they're on break right now, right?
Because don't they have a winter break because of the snow? Not Puskos.
Puskos is our third match in a week. Yeah, but he's talking about the Scandinavians.
That's the word I'm looking for because Norwegian is a specific country. Scandinavian teams.
Yeah. The Vikings. Well, Albert BK, that's Denmark, right? Yeah.
They're Scandinavian. Yeah.
And IFK, I think IFK, Norrkoping is probably the same.
Yeah, they're from.
They are from.
I don't even know. It doesn't say. We come from France.
Oh, wait. No, they're Swedish. Yeah, they're Swedish. And I think Hammer B is Swedish as well, if I remember correctly.
I believe you're right. Nick, you had a game for us.
I do. I do. One thing I'd like to start doing here is I'd like to have little segments here.
And so I've prepared a game that I am calling Who Made More.
And so what I'm going to do is I am going to list two players and your job is to decide which player made more, had a higher salary for that year.
Very simple. And I'm going to be comparing a player from our past with a player from last season's roster.
Can I say one thing before you get there real quick? Yeah.
Okay. I'm going to say this. Aaron, did you see Lewis come out in his Mercedes gear? I mean, his Ferrari gear?
No. Oh, it was so wonderful. He posted it on Twitter.
I was daydreaming today about a kind of like gradient transition of a Mercedes and Ferrari hat that would look kind of cool.
I still want to root for Mercedes. I still want to root for Merck, but I'm of course rooting for Lewis and that sexy red.
Anyway, he had a beautiful suit on standing in front of a Ferrari and posted it on there.
Oh, and one other thing, because I was asked to talk about it. I've gotten really into Irish curling.
Excuse me, hurling. Not curling, hurling, which is like...
Those are two very, very different things. Hurling is like rugby meets soccer meets lacrosse and it's super violent.
It's field hockey. Yeah, it's super crazy and it's a uniquely Irish sport.
It's the same as Gaelic football, but instead of using a soccer-ish type ball, they use a little baseball sized ball with a stick.
And you can score from all the way across the field if you make it right.
So last year's championship, Cork lost to Kerry on the...
Well, they had a chance to tie it on the final play of overtime.
And if you tied it after overtime, you go to a retest. You don't get a second overtime.
So they would have had to play an entirely new game the next week in the championship.
So that's starting this weekend. I'm super excited.
Just wait until next week when we talk about Bandy, which is basically ice hockey on a soccer field.
Or the new German game, which is Arena League football type football, but on a hockey rink.
Yeah. Like on ice.
It's good stuff, good stuff. Wild world of sports.
OK, so who made more? So I have seven rounds here. It's an odd number.
We'll see which one of you will come out there, Victoria.
I think this is not going to be fair.
No, no, no. And I do. I will say that I have adjusted these for inflation as well.
So that apples to apples.
Of course you have.
So who made more? 2009, Casey Keller or this year's Stephen Fry?
Who made more? Aaron, I'm going to let you start first.
The inflation makes it crazy. I'm going to go ahead and say Stephen Fry.
That's what I would say, too. All right. So you both want to go on discount.
Well, also, the also the the salary cap was so much lower than even with the.
What do you call it? The inflation.
So with that in mind, Casey Keller in 2009 before inflation made 300000.
So adjusted for inflation, four hundred twenty six thousand eighty three dollars.
Stephen Fry last year made six hundred thousand. So you're both correct.
Stephen Fry. Congratulations.
That's kind of a deal for Casey. Yeah, yeah, not bad.
So round. I think I remember hearing something about like he wasn't he wasn't there for them.
Oh, we know he wasn't there for the money. He was he was fine.
Round two, we're going with center backs. Twenty nineteen.
Kim Ki-hee or Yamar.
Oh, this is a tough one. In the same year. No, the modern ones will always be this this current year.
This last year released to twenty twenty four.
I mean, he was a big signing when we brought him in, he immediately was supposed to be starting
and he did start, but then kind of had to work his way back into it.
That's interesting. And it's not that long ago that the inflation would be that much.
We know Yamar makes quite a bit. I guess I go first.
I'm going to say I'm going to say Kim Ki-hee.
OK, Cameron's Ki-hee. That was going to be my same answer.
And that's OK. If you both have the same answer, that's that's OK.
And, you know, delaying a little bit to make sure the person at home can play along with us.
So Kim Ki-hee, twenty nineteen, made six hundred forty thousand adjusted for inflation, seven hundred sixty two thousand seven seventy five.
Yamar, seven hundred fifty thousand. So by twelve thousand, Kim Ki-hee is the winner.
Yeah, I knew it was going to be close, but.
OK, so now we're going to go old to new.
We're going to go two thousand nine. Freddie Lundberg.
Our first our first EP or Christian rolled on.
Two thousand nine. Freddie Lundberg or this year's Christian rolled on.
I mean, Christian's still on a pretty high number because of his recent contract signing.
But I wonder if you had to take the transfer fee along with it and amortize it across like you do now.
I don't know the answer to that back then, though.
I am going to tell you on that. The answer is no.
This is going to be salary. This is not going to be.
We are not considering the cap hit because of.
OK, because because oftentimes we only know the cap hit and not the actual salary.
But yeah, OK, this is my turn.
I'm going to go with Freddie because all I can picture is Calvin Klein underwear.
I wanted to say that. So and Cameron.
This is a tough one. I think I'll go with Freddie as well since he was a DP.
And that inflation number is pretty good. Going to be pretty high.
So 2009, Freddie Lundberg made one point three million dollars before inflation.
So that's one point eight million.
And then Christian rolled on one point four million.
So obviously no inflation at this time.
So, yes, Freddie Lundberg. So you're both three for three. Not bad, not bad.
Now we're going to get into, you know, in the back half here, we're going to get a little a little interesting.
Twenty fourteen supporters shield winning Oba Femi Martins.
Or twenty twenty four Albert Rusnak.
Oba Femi Martins or Albert Rusnak. Rusnak was a DP.
And this one is both of them were DPs.
Yeah, yeah, but Rusnak was a DP, but a cheaper DP than he is now because he had yet to be paid.
He was being paid RSL numbers because we traded for him.
We picked him up in free agency. We signed him as a free agent.
Oh, did we? Yeah.
That was like the biggest free agent signing.
And this is Cameron's turn to go first.
Yeah, but I still think I mean, you got to go over just based on what a dick he was in the locker room because he was so rich.
I'm going to go to it's twenty twenty four. Right. So twenty I'm going to go to twenty four.
Twenty Albert, because I have that video. Yeah.
So in 2014, Oba Femi Martins made one point six two million, which which comes out to two point two point oh eight five million.
Yeah. Oh, wait, five. Albert Rusnak is two point oh eight six two point one five.
Oh, yeah.
And Lewis goes around the outside. Yeah, that's that's so funny because you think about I mean, Oba was should have won the the MVP that year.
He got robbed of it and he's making so much less than modern MPP's one of the yeah, just just interesting times.
That's why when I was putting this game together, I was having a lot of fun kind of looking and having kind of member berries.
All right. Give us one more. Give us one more. All right.
Is it the last one? I got three more so we can do this really quick.
Let's do rapid. All right. Here we go.
In the bedroom. We got 2017 Ozzie Alonzo or 2024 Joe Paulo.
And it's Aaron's turn.
I'm going to go Ozzie 2017. Yep. After the MLS Cup win after MLS Cup.
He was making a lot of these two. I'm going to go to Joe Paulo.
So Ozzie was making one point one million adjusted for inflation. One point three six Joe Paulo one point four.
So Joe Paulo with the win.
Okay. Round six.
Twenty sixteen. Zach Scott or 2024 Obed Vargas.
I'm going Obed. It has to be. It has to be.
I really hope we were not. I love Zach Scott as a person. I really hope we were not.
Zach got that much money.
We're going to go with Obed as well.
Okay. You both say Obed.
So Zach Scott was making sixty two point five sixty two thousand five hundred adjusted for inflation.
Seventy nine thousand basically league minimum at the time.
Yeah. Obed Vargas eighty nine thousand seven hundred sixteen.
Okay. All comes out of this. You're both tied right now.
So twenty sixteen Nelson Valdez.
Twenty twenty four Pedro de la Vega.
It's Pedro.
You know what to make it interesting because if I say the same as you we're going to tie.
Nelson got paid a lot of money anyway.
He was our own personal Fernando Torres who only did something once it mattered.
Like when Fernando Torres.
But I know how much he made because I read Matt Pence's book and there's a whole chapter on it.
Okay. Well thank you. Then I'm going to go with Pedro de la Vega.
Final answer.
Nelson Valdez made one point two million dollars which adjusted for inflation is one point five.
Pedro de la Vega made seven hundred eighty five thousand.
So it was Nelson Valdez. That's the first one that no one got right.
You tricked me with with your chapter reading there.
And now you guys get stuck in a kissing siblings tie. That's what you deserve.
All right. So that was who made more.
I'm actually you know I didn't know Pedro was making that little.
Yeah that's why he's such a deal.
Yeah the DP is because of the transfer.
Oh.
Yeah. So that was who made more.
One of the things I'd like to do this year is I'm going to try and come up with more bits more more segments little games things like that.
I have a few in mind for future episodes.
So if any of you have ideas for things you'd like to see don't be afraid to shoot that out in the discord and I'll put together some fun stuff.
We did have a request from the discord.
I have to look up the actual schedule for the Sounders but I believe.
Excuse me. It was Charlotte February 22nd.
We had a request for a meetup at that first game for listeners and maybe people from the podcast.
I will have to be in the stadium so potentially we could do it at the grill of C table which is right above where you sit Nicholas if you're going to be there.
So maybe Aaron can pipe in via telephone.
Yeah FaceTime me and it would be like a flavor flave and like have your phone right in your sternum.
My big issue is always my my pregame hype is always based on whether I have my five year old.
But I figure you probably will have her and be in the stadium so most likely in there there is bars all around us when you're in the stadium.
So it's like jail. Yeah, you can grab a beer.
I also want to do. I also want to do like kind of.
We talked about this where we watch a game and we're recording while we're watching live stream, but like you can time it so everyone watches on DVR you can get our audio instead of, you know, be like okay Matt starting whistle now.
So you can like hit play and then you can just watch live and that just be fun because people like to either rewatch or don't get to watch a live like someone like me and if I was like I love this podcast and I hate MLS season pass.
You know, like the one thing I'm really going full mystery science theater. Yeah, exactly. The one thing I've really missed about not having that being present at games is so I always go up and go to the bathroom at halftime and then I hear Jackson felt his voice.
Yeah. And so whenever I hear his voice, it makes me have to pee.
Because I'm always being when I hear his voice. So the other day I got dinner with Jackson, and I just had to pee the entire time. Every time I heard his voice as we were watching the Ohio State versus whoever they played in the game.
I'm not sure if they were fighting Irish, Notre Dame, no game. Oh, the game before Texas, Texas. Yeah, he was written for our state because it's like 91 year old ailing grandma wanted to see how the state went, when one more time before she died.
Unfortunately, much like Nicholas, she was happy. Because Nicholas is a sellout and roots for the Huskies rivals might as well just root for Oregon while you're at it.
Hey, let's wrap this up.
It's bedtime.
Here on the 23rd of January, for some of us. Yeah, no you got hours in.
Before you get out of there.
Actually, that's not bad. Yeah, two hours is better than zero there Nick you, your brain work, especially if you're driving to tomorrow. Yeah, your brain will work better.
Okay.
So, where can they find you Nicholas.
You can find me on Twitter at Nikita banana and IQ you it a BA NA NA. What about you. Oh, actually on Instagram at Cascades, you see and then what about you, Aaron.
Honestly, I think, I think I might cut the cord on on Twitter, on x, I think it might just be confinement the discord. I am the when I thumb on there and it's got about, I really don't know about icon on blue sky.
I gotta, I gotta, I think, I think we might go that direction.
Well, maybe we'll spend more time curating your list and only following good people on on Twitter, because I just don't support it at this point. It's so that's all.
But anyway, that button can find me on the discord, you can find you on the scuttlebutt Instagram sometimes once in every like once every month you might look at that.
Yeah. I mean, did you ever did you ever respond to my friend request from two years ago.
Three years ago, on my personal Instagram.
No, he doesn't even have a password for it.
Yeah, no you just go follow Randy that's that's the way you're gonna. Yeah, yeah, she's on it.
That's that is 100% true. And Cameron, you legal minded punk everywhere you find social medias.
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