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Hi guys, it's Daria Nova in Hockey on the Beach. Welcome to Florida. I guess we do talk about hockey over here.

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In this episode, Travis Howe of Jax on the Leisman will teach me how to handle a fight. He's one of the best. Thank you and enjoy.

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So, Travis, how to be a good fighter?

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Well, you need to be able to take a punch.

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You need to... it sounds kind of messed up, but you need to enjoy getting hit.

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Some people do, some people don't. I don't know. I think that's what gets me going. That's what turns the switch on.

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I've got to get crapped one good time, unless I'm already mad.

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Do you need muscles for that?

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I don't pride myself on being the strongest guy in the gym, to say the least.

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But yeah, I think usually those big, big muscle guys could be a little overrated at times.

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So it's not about muscles, it's about mentality.

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Yeah, absolutely. You can't ever lose. It's life or death when you go into a fight.

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What about height? Does it matter?

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No, because some of the toughest people I've ever fought are 5'8". A guy actually in the KHO right now, Garrett Hunt, who I have the utmost respect for that guy.

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We fought probably a dozen times in our career and he's one of the smallest guys I've ever fought, but he's also probably the toughest.

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Who won?

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We had good fights. We don't need to get into that.

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Okay, so you have to show me.

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Show you?

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Yeah.

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Do you have any gear on?

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I've seen your fights. I think it's a lot about grabbing.

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Yeah, so some people focus more on...

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Do I need to wear my jersey on? Will that be better?

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I will grab all this. I'm trying to grab anywhere from the middle of the jersey.

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Hold on a second. I'll do the same to you.

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Okay.

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So it's in the middle.

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I'm trying to grab anywhere from here or even if I come in here and get under the shoulder pad.

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So say you grab me right here.

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Does it matter? What about my hand? Left or...?

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Are you a righty or a lefty?

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Righty.

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So yeah, you'd want to grab here.

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Oh, really?

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And then you don't want to be square. You want to be a little bit off to the side here.

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Why?

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So get this foot in front.

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Okay.

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So if you're square...

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Oh, it's like...

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Yeah, so like if you're square with me, like I can just...

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It's easier to the target, right?

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Like where if I'm a little to the side, like I have a little bit more room to, I guess, absorb a shot a little better.

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I need your mic.

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But yeah, I'd say anywhere from like here over...

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I personally like to grab here and only the jersey.

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It's like, I don't know, it's just more comfortable for me.

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Like I also like to counter people.

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So like I'll kind of just sit there, wait for you to like hit me a few times.

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Okay. See, like if I have shorter...

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I'm going for different grabs.

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So like if you're a smaller person and you're coming up here and then you want to almost get both hands in this area and come inside more.

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Because like if I'm just... These don't do anything.

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Like you can kind of stay under and like stay inside and get like a lot more power.

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That's more true from like a boxing standpoint.

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Like the smaller guy you ever watch like Tyson fight, like he's fighting here and he's like punching up.

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So like that's usually when you're fighting a taller guy, like we got our reach.

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But if you can cancel that reach out and get under and get in close, then like you have essentially...

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You've just equalized my reach advantage.

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So now there is no advantage.

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Now it's just a small guy versus little guy in a phone booth.

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And sometimes reach advantages in those situations don't work.

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What about pulling the jersey up like on my head?

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That's an old school trick.

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It's kind of frowned upon nowadays, but like usually like a ref will come in and stop it.

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Like if you're pounding on a guy, it's kind of like one of those unwritten fighting codes between the guys.

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Like if I got your jersey overhead, you kind of just stop.

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You don't want to take advantage too much.

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What if the guy is like trying to close his neck and you can't grab it?

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What do you do?

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Oh, no one's doing that.

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Like don't fight me.

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So like if I'm trying to grab...

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Yeah, I'm like...

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I'm just going to start hitting you.

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I don't know, just swing, I guess at that point.

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But like, or I mean, like, I don't know.

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I've never really had someone like defend it like that kind of.

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It's more...

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Because they don't have the mindset.

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It's like, yeah, come on, try this.

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I don't know.

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Like I've fought guys who are like, they're really good for like once you get a grab,

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they're really good about knocking it away and like keeping it so that you can't

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like I grab, they hit it away and I come back to try and grab.

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They're really quick.

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Like they're able to knock my hand away and hit me twice before I can blink.

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And it's like, God damn, what just happened kind of thing.

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And then like you get frustrated because you're like keep trying to get the grab.

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They knock it off.

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It's kind of like a little art, I guess, to it.

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To like everyone has like a different technique.

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I personally like don't really waste my time with all that.

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I'd rather just like, yeah, I hit you, you hit me kind of thing.

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How many times can you hit before you get stopped?

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Or it doesn't matter?

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It depends on the ref.

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How does it work?

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Is there like an art?

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Well, if someone drops, that helps.

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What if nobody drops?

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Just keep hitting each other.

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I mean, I usually just try and go until I can't breathe anymore.

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I can't.

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I'm just so like tired.

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That's usually when I like...

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Stop.

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And like usually people are trying to stop a little earlier.

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And I'm just like, got to get your money's worth.

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Okay, try to grab me.

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See, I'm prepared.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You got the karate.

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You got the karate.

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I don't care.

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That's my technique.

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Oh yeah, Willie, yeah, come on.

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Willie, she's teaching me how to fight.

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She's doing some karate on me.

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Yeah, hi.

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That's funny.

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Try to grab me.

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Don't be scared.

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Get your feet.

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Oh, okay, so because I'm righty, that's why I'm doing it.

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Yeah, so you'd be like...

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This would be self-paw.

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That means your dominant hand would be your left.

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So you'd want to stay right here.

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And I come in, go for the grab.

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So I tap, I tap, I tap.

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So that would...

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You would be not short, but shorter person.

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So it would be you grab and then you'd want to essentially like act like you're throwing

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an uppercut, but you're really trying to get like...

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I'm trying to get your like, almost your bicep to like hit my forearm and just like pull

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it off.

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So like if I'm like, if I'm fighting or whatever, you want to pretend like you're throwing

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something like this.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Exactly like that though.

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You're trying to like power yourself through so it knocks his hand off.

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And then once, my thing is, is like once I...

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If someone ever with me like wants to switch up to their left, the second I feel this hand

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getting taken off my jersey, I don't stop throwing this punch.

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So like if you're ever in that situation, well, hypothetically...

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Yeah, self-protection, yeah.

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You'd knock that off and then you don't stop with this and you'd still be holding on here.

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Oh yeah, that's right.

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And you're like pulling in with this, meeting and like the way I do it, like I try and aim,

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it's like I'm just aiming for the top of my hand.

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Because if I'm here, that's where I'm aiming.

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Okay.

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So that's a...

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But what if like I'm shorter, where do I aim?

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Same, right there.

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You'd still be punching up, but you'd still want to...

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Especially if you have a grab right in the middle, right here every time.

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Oh yeah, that's right.

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It's perfect.

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Because it's, I mean you can hit them anywhere you want really, but if this is where people...

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Bring it on.

