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First Timothy chapter 2 verse 8 is where we will start. We'll read through the rest of

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chapter 2 tonight, Lord willing. We've got us a doozy of a text tonight. Yeah. First

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Timothy chapter 2 verse 8. Lay it on the street. First Timothy chapter 2 verse 8. Let's

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pray and then we'll jump in. Father God we come to you tonight and we thank you

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for your word and this is one of those passages dear Lord it's it's kind of

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tough to understand and dear Lord even among Christians there are a variety of

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different interpretations of this but dear Lord I pray that you would help us

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tonight to understand it as best we can that I would preach and teach in a way

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that brings glory and honor to you that when we leave dear Lord that there's

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some understanding we have of something God and that we need your Holy Spirit to

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to help us tonight so I pray God that you be with us your word is good and if

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there's anything we don't understand it's not because your word is not good

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dear Lord it it's probably because we just may not be understanding or not

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reading but God I pray that you give us the right understanding and that you

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help us to do right by your word and I ask these things in Jesus name amen

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amen so Paul had been given Timothy some instruction on some things that were

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going on in Ephesus some things that needed to be addressed now when we first

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started this I referred to Timothy as a young pastor but that's that's probably

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not a that's not really a good accurate description of what Timothy was the role

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that we see of pastor and our churches today is not really a role that we see

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necessarily in that same way in Scripture what we see in Scripture is we

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see that there are elders of churches it appears as though that there's kind of a

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group of these men of these elders that are over these people not so much one

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pastor as we see in churches today and and even though part of what Timothy's

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role was is very similar perhaps to what we see as a pastor and pastoral ministry

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are are teaching these people and presenting this message and trying to

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correct them and get them on the right track I don't think it's accurate to say

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that that Timothy was a pastor so so when I said that I don't I don't think I

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gave the best the best explanation of what exactly Timothy was and so part of

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what Timothy did was pastor like but but he was more of a representative of Paul

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may be a better way to describe Timothy Paul obviously knew Timothy and he

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worked alongside Paul and Paul had sent Timothy for this work pastoral in some

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way and evangelistic in some way to deal with these issues and so what we've seen

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so far is that there was some bad teaching that was taking place in

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Ephesus there were some some things that were being said and done there were some

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arguing that was taking place we saw that here at the beginning of chapter 2

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people arguing about things that weren't really important and so Paul begins to

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tell Timothy okay here are some things you're gonna encounter here are some

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things you are going to address now presumably these things that Paul is

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telling Timothy about are things that are happening in Ephesus that that is to

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say that he's not necessarily giving just general commands here's the

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commands of God to God's people but rather he's dealing with some specific

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situations that are going on there it's important for us to consider that as we

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read this passage and you'll see why here as we get into it first Timothy

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chapter 2 verse 8 therefore I want the man in every place to pray lifting up

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holy hands without anger or argument now this is a pretty simple instruction the

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idea of praying and and and kind of instruction that we've already seen in

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first Timothy of how to pray and what our prayer life should look like Paul's

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given Timothy this instruction hey there needs to be some order there needs to be

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a certain way that things are done people don't need to be arguing with one

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another and in church services and in times where they gather together but the

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men need to come together and they need to pray and they need to lift up holy

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hands they need to be seeking God they need to be working together to try to

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draw close to God and understand the truth of God's Word and so this is a

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pretty easy instruction for Timothy to give the people it's pretty easy one to

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understand hey you need to come together you need to love each other you need to

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pray together and you don't need to you don't need to be angry and be arguing

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about things so some instruction for the men in every place there verse 9 also

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the women are to dress themselves in modest clothing with decency and good

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sense not with elaborate hairstyles gold pearls are expensive apparel but with

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good works as is proper for women who affirm that they worship God okay it's

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pretty simple instruction here nothing nothing crazy here you come together if

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you're a man of God or a woman of God as is pointed out here you need to dress

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accordingly you don't you don't want to dress in ways that that's

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inappropriate you don't want your dress to be so that that that you come so

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people can see what you wear and that's the case sometimes we sometimes like to

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be seen for what we wear now I don't think we have that problem in this

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church but perhaps that's been the case in churches that you've heard of or

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known of that people really dress well and they wear a big hat and they sit

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up front or they come in late so everybody will see how well they're

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dressed and they'll think about man look at them and well look at her she's got a

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big hat and then the next one comes and she's got to have a bigger hat well look

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at her she's got a bigger hat all of that however though is often just to get

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people's attention it's not really for I want to dress up and look my best for

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the Lord it's that people are really putting on a show that's simply what it

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is it's being a hypocrite the idea of a hypocrite is someone who wears a mask

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someone who who disguises themselves that's not really who they are they want

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to look apart and so maybe that's what was going on here is that some of these

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women were dressing excessively they were drawing attention to themselves

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they were putting too much emphasis on worldly things men can be guilty of this

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too by the way but here in this particular passage Paul is dealing with

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women it's still good instruction for us today we want to dress appropriately and

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accordingly we don't want to wear things that are inappropriate that that show

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too much skin we don't want to do things that are extravagant to draw attention to

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ourselves we want to we want to be mindful when we come together that we're

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coming to worship the Lord now it appears as though to me and there's

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certainly difference of opinion here but it appears as though that this probably

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was something that was going on again not necessarily a general command

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however in general this is a good command but perhaps he knew of a

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situation that was going on here now we see similar type of language when Paul

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writes his letter to the Corinthians and 1st Corinthians chapter 14 he's dealing

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and that chapter and the surrounding verses with disorder that's in the

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church and he deals with a lot of things that are going on in the church about

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people speaking in tongues and and everybody just kind of speaking out it

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appears and he says hey there's a certain way that things need to be done

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and he addresses some issues one of the same issues that we see here again he's

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probably addressing something that was going on in the Corinthian Church what

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was the problem the problem was the church service was not being done in an

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orderly and peaceful fashion it was chaotic and he says look you're not

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gonna be able to reach people for the Lord if there's chaos if people come into

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your church and people are jumping around and speaking in tongues and acting

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crazy and and doing all this stuff he says you're not gonna be able to reach

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people you need to be able to have your church services in an orderly fashion

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they need to be conducted and so here are some things Paul said in 1st

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Corinthians 14 that you need to address and some things that you need to change

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I believe that Paul is giving similar instruction here to the Church of

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Ephesus hey Timothy these are some things you're going to encounter this is

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your instruction on how to deal with those things and so really no problem up

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to this point but then we get to the next verse this is the one that's a

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doozy verse 11 a woman should learn in silence with full submission I do not

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allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man instead she is to

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be silent now Paul gives this same instruction in 1st Corinthians chapter

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14 that in church a woman is to be silent what are we to make of that well

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there are a variety of opinions on what Christians are to make of that now I

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don't know what every denomination holds perhaps there are some denominations

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that won't let women speak at all I would not be shocked if that was the

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case if they would not allow women to speak in any way perhaps some would hold

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to the view that when it's time for a church service that women should not

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speak in any way not give an announcement not say a prayer not not do

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anything in the church service that it's only men who should speak when the

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church service is is in session that women are to be completely silent at all

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times now I don't think that Paul is calling for complete silence here it's

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often said in this passage or in 1st Corinthians chapter 14 that Paul is

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saying that women cannot pray in church however in 1st Corinthians chapter 11

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verse 5 Paul says when women pray and prophesy this is how they need to do it

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so that would seem to eliminate that Paul is saying that women can't have any

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part when they're gathered together he specifically says when they pray and

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when they prophesy there needs to be a certain way in which it needs to be

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done and so I don't believe that Paul is eliminating women from praying or

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having any kind of participation in church I think that women do I think

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that this is my interpretation there are many people who would differ from this I

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think that what Paul is saying here is he's dealing with a situation perhaps

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where women were not being being silent in church or they were causing a problem

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let's say maybe they were asking questions in the middle of the service

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which is why he gives this specific command that women should ask their

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husbands they shouldn't be disturbing the church service if there's a question

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that needs to be asked or something that's going on and that's why he gives

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this specific instruction however you will find in Christian denominations that

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there is much difference of opinion there are there are many churches that

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would say women cannot pray in church women cannot serve as deacons however we

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see Paul's command in 1st Corinthians chapter 11 about women praying we also

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see in the scripture that there are women who are deacons we see that in the

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New Testament and so it's hard to say for me at least that women cannot serve

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as deacons now we've kind of become accustomed to saying that because we

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typically in a Southern Baptist Church do not see women who serve as deacons

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however we do see women who serve as deacons in the New Testament and so

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women can certainly serve in ministry and do serve in ministry in a variety of

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ways however one of the biggest one of the biggest conflicts and this is this

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is happening right now this has been big in the Southern Baptist Convention for

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the last year is are women allowed to preach now there are certainly lots of

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difference of opinion on this some of you may have been familiar with just a

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few months ago at the last Southern Baptist Convention that that there's a

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church in California Saddleback Church Rick Warren you may have heard of heard

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of him he's wrote some books he's pretty pretty popular he's the pastor of that

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church and they have they have ordained several women pastors I think three in

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the last few years and if I'm not mistaken I wasn't following it too close

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but I believe that the Southern Baptist Convention kicked them out of the

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Southern Baptist Convention because they ordained women pastors now among churches

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there are there is certainly disagreement there now you'll have to

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research this on your own time and look at the scriptures and look at the

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arguments for both sides there are both sides that use scriptures and use

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arguments to defend why some think that women should be pastors and why others

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think that women should not be pastors now I certainly believe that women are

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are gifted are called to minister should serve in church should pray in church can

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even be deacons I think we see that all throughout scripture but I am not

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convinced by scripture that it is clear that women can be pastors now I know

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that there are some in this church that might disagree with me and there are

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certainly many Christians around the world that would disagree with that

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statement but it seems clear that the office of pastor our overseer if we

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should call it that that's the better term for in scripture our elder is one

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that's reserved for men and Paul is making that point here when he talks

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about women being silent in the church he gives a he gives a reason why he

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gives a reason in this instance okay they should be silent they should ask

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their husband I think probably maybe because there were some problems being

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had but he gives he gives a qualification here he says look there's a certain

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order in which which God has instituted things and which God has put things into

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place and he calls that order into question in the next verse he says in

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verse 13 for Adam was created first then Eve and Adam was not deceived but the

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woman was deceived and transgress but she will be saved through childbearing

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if she continues in faith love and holiness with good judgment now to sum

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that up it's a lot to think about there more than we'll talk about tonight but

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what we see a couple of times and Paul's writing is he is he says look

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there's a certain order in which God has established things there is God he is at

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the top and then there is Jesus and then there's the church we see that

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relationship when we see the relationship between Jesus and the

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church we see this idea that Jesus is what he's the head of the church we are

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to be submissive to him when we see that idea of marriage as unpopular as it is

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in our culture it is established that God has said that the man is to be the

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head of the household he created Adam first and then Eve that's what we see

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Paul talking about here that God has created an order of authority that there

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are some positions that God has says look men are to be the authority in this

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position in the household and I believe that God has stated that men are to be

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in those authority positions in the church and that's what we see here in

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this past verse that we read because he says a woman is not to teach or have

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authority over a man okay so if someone is an elder and overseer or a pastor

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term we would use today they're in a position of leadership they're in a

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position of authority over the people and here Paul says look women can't hold

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to this now one objection to that would be yeah but but Paul was dealing with

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cultural problems at that time and at that time women couldn't serve as

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overseers elders because they weren't educated but that's not the reason why

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Paul gives here he doesn't say women can't have authority over men because

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they're not as accepted in this society and they're not as educated as men in

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this society that's not the reason he gives he says I don't give women the

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the permission to preach or teach or have authority over a man and why does

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he say he said because there's a certain order that Adam came first and then Eve

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that God has made an order and God's order is the way that things should work

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in marriage and in the church and I believe that structure is what we must

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go by as Christians again I realize that there's disagreement there we live by

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our own convictions we read God's Word and we do what we feel is right but I

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believe that that the structure that I think we see in scripture that God has

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established things in this certain order from our relationship with Christ to our

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relationships as husbands and wives that this is the way that it is to be

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established that this is the way that we receive blessing and I believe that our

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culture is hurting because our culture has said God's way is insufficient our

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culture has said no men don't need to be the head of the household men are

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this patriarchal society it's it's it's men are taking advantage of women and

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holding women back and and women you need you are just as good as men and you

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can do things as good as men and you don't need men in your life you can have

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a career and you can make lots of money and you don't need to worry about a

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family you go out and worry about yourself you don't need me and that's

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what our culture says but I believe that that leads to lots of difficulties in

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our in our culture because I believe and I'm just you correct me if I'm wrong

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but I think deep down inside that women probably long and have this desire for

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children to have a family and to raise those children and to nurture those

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children I think those things are are built into women I think women have

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those feelings and have those desires and when you're younger you may not

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realize it but I think women begin to realize it as they get older but too

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many times our society has has put women in such a position that they have denied

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the structure that God has said and they get to a point where they miss that

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opportunity to have children they miss that opportunity to have a husband and

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then realize that it's too late and women too many times live in a culture

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in which they get the degree and they get the job and they get the money only

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to find that wait a minute what the world has promised us and told us is

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going to be such a good thing is not such a good thing and why is that well

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I believe it's because that we've gone from what God has told us to do I

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believe that a marriage that is built on the man being at the head of the

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household and taking care of the wife and the wife heaven forbid a wife has to

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raise a family and raise the children and see that those children are taken

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care of our world would say that that's foolish but I believe that that's

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beautiful in God's Word I believe that women who probably raise children and

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see their children grow and are able to take care of their children and to be

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able to take a stay at home with their children I believe that makes happier

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women I believe men who are able to work and provide for their wives and

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provide for their children and know that they're doing what God calls them to do

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I believe that makes for happier men and I believe that makes for happier

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families and that's the structure of authority that God has set for us that

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there is an authority figure that there is a head of household it's not saying

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that women are less than men it's not saying that men are better than women

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it's not saying that women can't preach because they're not as good as men there

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are probably some women who could preach better than some men who are preaching

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but the bottom line is is I do not believe that that's what God's Word

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calls us to bottom line it's not about who can do it better it's about this is

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the way in which God has set this up for us and the way that we are to live as

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brothers and sisters in Christ as husbands and wives as people who are in

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the church that there is a certain structure that there is certain roles

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that God has called us to in a marriage there is a certain role that God has

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called a man to in marriage there's a certain role that God has called the

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woman to but too many times we want to just kind of mesh those roles together

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and you cannot do it there are things that women can do that men cannot do and

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things that men can do that women cannot do and it is the responsibility of the

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man to be the leader and to be the head of the household and I believe it's a

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blessing to him it's the responsibility of the woman to be there to support her

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husband to take care of those things that God has put into her path and we

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see that here we see this idea of childbearing I would suspect for a mother

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I'm just guessing y'all and correct me when I'm wrong but I would suspect for a

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mother that gives birth to a child there's a lot of joy that comes from

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that but our world would tell you just the opposite but the things that God

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says are beautiful that are that are a blessing for a woman that women are

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saved by these things I'm not sure exactly what he means there when he says

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saved by these things I don't think he's talking about salvation there but but

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there's some goodness that comes from this idea that there's a man who is the

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head of the household who is the authority and that there is a woman who

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is submissive to that authority there's something beautiful about that and we see

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it I think we see it and our marriages and I think we see that in our churches

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as well I think God says look here are the roles in the church there are

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certain things that I have called men to do women serve in a variety of ways in

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the New Testament and in the Old Testament in great ways God uses women

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and women are capable and women are smart enough and women are able to do a

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lot of things however I don't believe that women are called to be elders and

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overseers and pastors of churches I don't think that that's the role that

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God has established for women and for men I believe that God has established

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roles some for men and some for women and I believe that we need to strive to

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do our best to follow the Word of God now this is a it's a big scripture so

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it's a heavy scripture for a Wednesday night nonetheless we got to it so we

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got to talk about it so we want to pray to God we want to seek these words we

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want to try to understand them as best we can so that we can be obedient to God

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and we have to realize too that whatever our determination is and where we fall

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on this topic of women pastors or women's role in the church that we are

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going to encounter other brothers and sisters in Christ that are probably

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going to have a different opinion for us but we can only live by the Word of God

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and we can only be obedient to the Word of God and that's what we strive to do

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and we strive to follow our authority the head of our life who is Jesus Christ

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who gave all for us and we as the bride of Christ should submit to Jesus Christ

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to live for him and to follow his authority because that is what God is

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instituted for us that is the way that God has laid this out for us and for us

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to do anything other than than what God has called us to I think leads to

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disappointment but when we follow the structures that God has established for

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us I believe it leads to great joy in our life let's pray Father God we come

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to you we thank you for this passage even though it's kind of heavy and I

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pray that you help us to make heads or tails of it to understand what's right

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dear Lord I pray for I pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ that

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we struggle with this dear Lord there are lots of churches and lots of lots

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of things going on in our in our culture that that are cultural driven dear Lord

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not just this this topic but plenty of other topics God that are causing splits

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and churches and all these things dear Lord but we want to understand your word

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as best we can I pray that you would help us to do that and to be blessed by

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it dear Lord I pray that we would look to Jesus Christ the head of this church

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dear Lord the head of us as the bride of Christ that we would be obedient to him

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I pray that we would we would do our best to seek the roles that you call us to

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serve in as men and women I pray God that as men we would be better husbands

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that we would be better fathers dear Lord that we would be better providers to

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do all we can for our wives dear Lord I pray for the women that they would be

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better wives and better mothers that they would do all they can to support

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their husbands dear Lord that that we would just step into the roles that

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you've called us to and the responsibilities that you've called us to

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dear Lord to embrace those things God you you call us to different things

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because there are different things that we need to do and God is men and women

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only we can do the things that we can do so dear Lord I pray that you just would

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bless us and help us to seek you and to be blessed by you and not to be swayed

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by the culture and the ways of the world never to compromise your word based on

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what our culture says but do the best to understand your word and live by your

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word and I ask these things in Jesus name amen