1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,720 And he also has the worst amulet in Skyrim. 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,400 Here's a cooldown on Fum. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,680 Get that out of my face, bro. 4 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:06,160 All right. 5 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,200 It's the worst one. 6 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,120 First of all, I'm sorry you've never known the sheer thrill 7 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,600 of Fusro dying someone off a cliff and then being able to do it much sooner 8 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,680 because of the cooldown on that amulet. 9 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,480 First of all, second of all, you know what? 10 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,680 Again, lightning storm. 11 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,120 The whole thing becomes lightning. 12 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:30,720 Cooldown on shouts is amazing. 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,040 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Warhammer Versus. 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:54,880 Today we are having a matchup of absolutely titanic figures in two different settings. 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,920 On the one hand, in the red corner, we have the Amber King. 16 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:04,800 And in the blue corner, we have Ancreus Newark or Colin, as we like to call him. 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:11,040 And this is a match between emperors, that emperor of mankind of Warhammer 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,920 and Talos from the Elder Scrolls series. 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,840 He loves you. 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,200 He loves you. 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,840 I will be his crown for this episode. 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:20,960 Discount emperor. 23 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:21,600 Oh, please. 24 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,200 Discount emperor is already kicking off. 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:28,880 So because Eli is currently in honeymoon mode from his wedding, 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,400 insert, I wonder what Eli is doing at the moment. 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,920 Oh, shit, fuck on my roommate's door, ha. 28 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,640 That'll be a bit of fun. 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,200 So with that in mind, I will be the sole judge for this episode. 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,840 I want a nice clean fight between the two of you. 31 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,360 For anyone who's not seen our last episode, we're going to have three rounds, 32 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,560 six minutes on the first round, three in the second and one vitriolic round to round it all off. 33 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,560 But before we begin, the pain that's going to ensue. 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,960 First of all, let's talk to Hal. 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,200 How do you think things are going to go with this debate? 36 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,960 Oh, I think I've got the better character on my side. 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,920 So let's just I mean, why are we even here? 38 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:15,680 It's just conceived straight away. 39 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,600 Actually, I'm not going to win, but I'll try. 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,440 Wow, fighting words. 41 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,600 And what is your response to that, Colin? 42 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,760 I smell I smell the fear that's last line he threw. 43 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,200 He knows he's not going to win. 44 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:28,720 He knows. 45 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:35,200 Some as someone who is who's crossed blades, shall we say, with Colin in the debating arena. 46 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,120 I do not envy you, Hal. 47 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:42,320 So I think it was a resounding success for Colin in the last episode. 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,840 But this one, we'll have to wait and see. 49 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,200 With all that said, I suppose we'll start with how with round one. 50 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,400 Are you ready, Hal? 51 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:50,960 I'm ready. 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:52,960 OK, take it away. 53 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:55,920 So before we get on to Mr. 54 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,160 Schrodinger's douchebag over in the corner over there, your honor, 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,360 I am talking about the emperor of mankind, the carrion lord, 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,360 basically the one who's supplying all of us with our current employment. 57 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,560 He is the most powerful psychic in the entire galaxy. 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,320 Some of his little special abilities is he can actually change his entire form. 59 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,680 So some people never even see his true face. 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,520 He can read minds. 61 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:30,800 So any of you having dirty thoughts such as Talos worship, I see you in the corner. 62 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,760 Yes, he knows all about it. 63 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:40,320 The emperor can see the future to the degree that he can even see futures upon futures, 64 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,000 multiple timelines. 65 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:48,880 He also has the power to imbue objects with his own special source, but his own power. 66 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,800 So he could imbue his own sword with just flame. 67 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,520 And I'll go into more specifics later. 68 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,680 And he could even send his mind across the galaxy. 69 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:07,680 So when the missing Primarchs were all scattered from him, he literally closed his eyes and peer out into the universe. 70 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:16,160 And particularly for Colin, may I remind you of the story when the Eldar were infiltrating the Imperial Palace 71 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,520 and they were in the presence of the emperor and they were just in awe of him? 72 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,440 Yes, this is some Eldar hate. 73 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,280 Even they acknowledged. 74 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:27,040 After a lot of custodies. 75 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:32,160 After their custodies, but even they acknowledged how powerful the emperor was. 76 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,240 The emperor is a perpetual. 77 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,680 He cannot die even from old age. 78 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,960 He can regenerate even the most grievous of wounds. 79 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,160 One I'll talk about later. 80 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,200 But like I say, he's literally immortal. 81 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,320 He cannot, you know, he can die and die, but death cannot hold him. 82 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,520 But if we start from the beginning of the emperor's story, 83 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,880 he is most likely some of the most greatest conquerors throughout human history. 84 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,920 Didn't just conquer one land, Tamriel. 85 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,120 He conquered the earth and worlds multiple times. 86 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,480 He may have even been Alexander the Great for all your history people out there. 87 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,760 He even battled a Katarn Shard of the void dragon one on one. 88 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,480 Proceeded to say that wasn't good enough. 89 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:24,080 Rocketed up to Mars and locked it within the core of the planet itself. 90 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,760 Just because he could. 91 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:26,240 Why not? 92 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,360 For the millennia, the emperor has lived. 93 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,840 Yes, millennia, not a century. 94 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,880 You know, some people die, you know, they have mortality. 95 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:35,440 That sucks. 96 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,480 The emperor has watched humanity grow. 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:44,240 He's been there the entire time contributing to science, art, technology. 98 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,040 Things you couldn't even dream of being possible. 99 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,720 The emperor has been part of it. 100 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,480 He's been the architect of it, too. 101 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:55,360 He also lived during the golden age of mankind. 102 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,680 The height of our power, knowledge. 103 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:58,640 He was there. 104 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,280 He saw it, not a measly little small. 105 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:02,720 Was it the third empire? 106 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,800 Third, third under charm, I see. 107 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,400 And when humanity fell into darkness and we were going to be lost, 108 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:16,880 the emperor himself became the emperor so that he could save humanity with his grand 109 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:17,840 plan. 110 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:21,760 He is the only man to literally step into hell itself, 111 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,000 emerge more powerful than any other being in the universe. 112 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,040 And then he also walked away from the chaos gods with knowledge and power 113 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,320 that he had no right having. 114 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Yeah, he literally, he, you know, he basically went in and said, 115 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:37,920 I don't care. 116 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,280 I will not be corrupted. 117 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:41,120 They couldn't even corrupt him. 118 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,160 Horror sucks. 119 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,200 I'm just saying it. 120 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:49,200 They even call him the anathema because the entire Horus heresy was architected 121 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:54,160 because they were afraid of the emperor from his own DNA. 122 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,240 He made the literal demigods of the setting, the Primarchs, 123 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,760 the most interesting characters. 124 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,240 I should know that's a bit of film. 125 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,040 Not fair. 126 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,000 But he also crafted the custodians, literally the perfect warriors, 127 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,400 perfect humans, even has the greatest army in the galaxy. 128 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,160 These space marines, which are definitely on all of our shelves for people who are 129 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,840 listening, and he also led the great crusade. 130 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,240 He literally conquered the galaxy in a few short centuries. 131 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,520 I'm pretty sure it took Talos most of his lifetime, so that sucks, mate. 132 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:38,240 And even when the heresy began, it literally took all of the chaos gods to send the hordes 133 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:46,240 of hell upon him, and he held back their power from terror by himself with just his mind. 134 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:52,560 And even when, even when all the chaos gods decided the emperor need to be taken down 135 00:07:52,560 --> 00:08:00,240 a few pegs, they had to power up Horus, four chaos gods, one Horus, they had to power him up, 136 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,720 and Horus still got clapped. 137 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:03,680 That's right. 138 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,080 Even after the four chaos gods tried their best, the emperor was like, 139 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,320 ah, I wasn't really feeling it, but I'll just go for it. 140 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,960 And he flexed himself and he baited me down Horus in one go. 141 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,320 And dare I say, bringing in Colin's favorite character, Mr. Gillerman over here, 142 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:29,120 when Gillerman met the emperor in the 41st millennium, he even says his power has only grown. 143 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:35,520 And he is well on his way to becoming an actual god in the Warhammer setting, 144 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,360 one that will rival even the chaos gods themselves. 145 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,760 And if I have enough time, I'll talk about the awesome story of when he stormed into the webway 146 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:50,000 with the custodians, the most like air guitar ripping scene in the entire setting, 147 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,520 where he literally was described as a sunlight beaming through and literally eviscerating the 148 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,240 forces of hell. 149 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,320 I think that's my time. 150 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,200 That's time. 151 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,640 That is six minutes. 152 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,200 Wow, that was a very riveting start. 153 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,000 I mean, I don't know if you can hear it, but there are church bells outside my flat as we speak. 154 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,040 Celebration. 155 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,200 Celebration of the emperor of mankind. 156 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,880 That's a very strong start. 157 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,280 Colin, are you ready for your rebuttal of that? 158 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,360 I am indeed ready for my rebuttal. 159 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,120 Well, your six minutes start now. 160 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,360 Ah, well, let me just poison the well from the get go and say that Hal was caught supporting 161 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,800 the Thalmor in the Discord. 162 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,760 So anything that comes out of his mouth must be noticed. 163 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,760 That's the word of a dirty Thalmor supporter. 164 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,280 So you just keep that in mind going forward. 165 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,920 But let me tell you about Talos, who's also an emperor of mankind, but so much more than that. 166 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,680 You see, Talos was born just a mortal man. 167 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:47,440 And you might think that's a strike against him. 168 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,760 But consider this. 169 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,200 The emperor, you know, he's been a perpetual god for quite some time. 170 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,480 And yet it still took him, you know, what, 30,000 years to get humanity's act together 171 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,760 after it kept falling apart. 172 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:06,160 Talos was having none of that and as still a mere mortal man, he conquered all of Tamriel. 173 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:12,640 He brought it under his control into, yes, the third empire, but that's hardly his fault. 174 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,080 There were other empires in human history before the emperor of mankind. 175 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:17,840 There were emperors before Talos. 176 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,200 This is his start. 177 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,320 So Talos, quite an amazing general, quite an amazing general. 178 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,800 He's a, I said general twice, amazing warriors, what I meant to say one of those times. 179 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:34,720 He was also something known as Dragonborn, which I'll talk about it later. 180 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,120 You know, you might be familiar with that if you played Skyrim or if existed on the internet at all. 181 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,280 Talos in one year took Cyrodiil and just kept going. 182 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,160 But let me tell you something that Talos is also great at doing. 183 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,600 Diplomacy and talking to people, which the emperor probably could use a lot more of, 184 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,840 but Talos, Tiber Septim, he knows what's up. 185 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:06,000 And so through not just having the biggest dick around, he actually smartly brought everyone into the fold, 186 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,000 be it the Somerset Isles and the High Elves or Morrowind, the Dark Elves. 187 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,880 Unfortunately, he did not honor the Sixth House and the tribe unmoored, 188 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,520 but he still brought it into the fold. 189 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:25,440 He also had a magical Warhammer Titan, Warlord Titan, Numidium, except unlike the emperors, 190 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,840 whenever you turn that thing on, reality breaks. 191 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:34,640 So I'd love to see the emperor try and take over Tamriel when he flips the continuity error robot on. 192 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,480 And of course, we wouldn't be just debating him if he was just, you know, 193 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,760 the mere mortal man of Tiber Septim, although there was nothing near about this mortal, 194 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,080 for he became the god Talos. 195 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,600 And that is when Tiber Septim really comes into himself. 196 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,720 Because let's, you talked about the emperor's godhood of strength. 197 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Let's talk about Talos's strength. 198 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:03,040 So first of all, he completely remade the landscape of Cyrodiil. 199 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:13,680 He remade it from a lush jungle to a wonderfully pleasant, you know, a nice, great grasslands, 200 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:18,480 good lord, I'm really bringing out my Heimskirith, how passionate I am about Talos. 201 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,040 And not only, you know, he just remade the land with magic, he did it retroactively. 202 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,280 So, you know, the emperor, he gained a bunch of power, but before he gained that power, 203 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,720 he was still the old emperor. 204 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,680 Talos made it so that Cyrodiil was always a grassland. 205 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:37,520 It was never a jungle, even though it was a jungle, it was always a grassland. 206 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,400 That's how goddamn powerful he is. 207 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaking of power, that dragonborn thing I mentioned is very important, 208 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,680 because in the song of the dragonborn, you know, the thing that gets released every five minutes 209 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:51,840 when Bethesda is releasing Skyrim again, 210 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,320 it says that the dragonborn has the power to rival the sun. 211 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,760 And in the Elder Scrolls, that's not just, that sounds cool, sounds powerful. 212 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:08,160 The sun is a hole into an infinite void of magic and pure, unlimited energy. 213 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Which means if you take that at face value, and I'm not going to lie, 214 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,760 which means if you take that at face value, and I very much think we should, 215 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:23,760 Tiber Septim's Talos's power is unlimited, not as powerful as the Chaos Gods or the other ones. 216 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:26,000 Endless, boundless. 217 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,520 And of course, that's before we even talk about things like Chim. 218 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,560 Chim, also known as, how much LSD did you take when you wrote this lore? 219 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,200 Essentially, Tiber Septim is beyond God. 220 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:45,040 He's aware of the nature of the universe and can remake it to his content as such. 221 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,000 It is as if the entire universe is not but Talos's lucid dream. 222 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,200 So Talos, you know, he doesn't need to fight the Emperor, 223 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,600 he just goes into the NPC list and deletes the file. 224 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,400 No more Emperor. 225 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,920 But of course, that's not all. 226 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:06,480 For Talos is more than just a god, more than just a hero of men, 227 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,680 general, Emperor, leader, warrior, whatever have you. 228 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:17,680 Talos, upon his ascension to Godhood, became a pillar of the world itself, of all of reality. 229 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,440 Now the Emperor, if he dies, that's bad, I will admit. 230 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,920 But it won't be one minute to go, instant game over. 231 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,160 Because, you know, Chaos will still need time to take over all of the galaxy, 232 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:37,200 the other Xenos, the Orcs, the Necrons would need time to really mobilize to this affair. 233 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,320 If you take Talos out, game over. 234 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,640 Reality zero sums, resets to nothing. 235 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,520 Which should go to show you just how damn powerful and important he is. 236 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,120 Take the Emperor out, it sucks. 237 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,760 You take Talos out, there is no more reality. 238 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:57,200 He is such an integral part of existence, showing just how powerful he is. 239 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,520 How unbelievably amazing is a god this being is. 240 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:08,240 He's completed the nine divines, Umaril could not be slain without the full nine divines, 241 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,240 Talos ascended, backing them. 242 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,480 And it was with him that the Pantheon of the Elder Scrolls was completed. 243 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,080 And I feel like I need say no more. 244 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,080 Also, I have like 30 seconds left, so. 245 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,360 You have like two seconds. 246 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,160 Not even. 247 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,120 Not bad. 248 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,480 Very nice. 249 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,520 Well, that was a riveting start. 250 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:28,320 I'm just going to go out. 251 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,880 I mean, the bells have also been chiming at the end of that one. 252 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,880 It's a very interesting parallel. 253 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:35,040 What do you think? 254 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,040 Well, both emperors were mortal once. 255 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,640 They were both given kind of a MacGuffin. 256 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,160 You know, the Emperor had the ability of the first Psyker. 257 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,160 Talos was the Dragonborn. 258 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:53,040 Both have extreme power in, I guess you would call it magic powers. 259 00:15:53,040 --> 00:16:02,640 I like what Colin said about, you know, Talos file deleting and his contributions to Tamriel itself. 260 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:09,600 But then again, Hal also mentioned things like the Emperor of Mankind is a bit of a scholar and a scientist, but also a conqueror. 261 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,000 And both have enriched the lives of and histories of where they're from. 262 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,880 It's going to be a tricky one. 263 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,680 I mean, I have not cast my votive spell yet. 264 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,280 There's still a lot to play for. 265 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,000 The bells have resumed for the next volley. 266 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,280 So with that said, we've got a three minute round to go. 267 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,320 How are you guys feeling at the moment? 268 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,920 I'm feeling confident because I just know that in a 1v1, it will just clap him. 269 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,720 So it's fine. 270 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:46,640 I feel well, well supported in my skills at internet arguments that. 271 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:52,400 True. I've activated your trap card now. 272 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,720 Heimsker's passion is flowing through me. 273 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:03,680 He means the character that you called, training practice, your greatest speaker, Heimsker. 274 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:09,200 Listen, I said his passion is flowing through me, not his everything else. 275 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,200 He's like a migraine. 276 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:19,120 Heimsker is destined for the black soldier I have in my pocket, but his passion is commendable. 277 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:25,920 Well, on that rather zealous note, I believe it's time we begin the next round. 278 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,680 These rounds are three minutes each. 279 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,520 So Hal, are you ready? 280 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:30,320 I'm ready. 281 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,240 OK, it's all yours. 282 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,840 Your three minutes start now. 283 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,240 I'll start off by just saying, I'm going to be the first one to go. 284 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,720 Now, I'll start off by just saying, where is the Septim Dynasty? 285 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,200 Oh, where is Martin? 286 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,080 Yeah, they're all gone. 287 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:47,440 Oh, so sad. 288 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,960 But sort of being on the negative side, your honor, I'm just going to talk about the Emperor's 289 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,480 drip, your honor. 290 00:17:54,480 --> 00:18:00,960 The mastercrafted aura of my armor of the Emperor of mankind is untouchable. 291 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,200 Talos looks boring as hell. 292 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:08,480 He is nothing compared to how majestic the master of mankind is. 293 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,000 His custom armor, the scrollwork, the gold. 294 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,440 He has his custom black and bronze decorated bolter that he handcrafted himself. 295 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,760 He also has his own Emperor's sword, which I mentioned earlier. 296 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,920 Talos's sword is pretty boring. 297 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,600 He doesn't even touch it after a while. 298 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,360 The Emperor's sword is alive with flame. 299 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:34,480 It can even destroy a demon and grant it true death. 300 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,160 I'm pretty sure Talos hasn't done anything of that kind. 301 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:44,160 And the Emperor, to be in his presence, literally brings you to your knees. 302 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:51,360 You literally weep tears of pure joy as you look upon humanity distilled. 303 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:53,200 The Emperor is hope. 304 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,520 He is strength and wisdom. 305 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,120 He is the best of what humanity can achieve. 306 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:07,280 He is thousands upon thousands of years of information and life distilled into one being. 307 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:14,480 And maybe Talos is known as the great conqueror, but the Emperor is not just a conqueror. 308 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,040 The great crusade itself is no simple conquest of the galaxy. 309 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,240 It is a mission of enlightenment. 310 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,960 It was part of the Emperor's salvation. 311 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,680 He did not conquer the galaxy because he wanted to. 312 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,240 He did it to save humanity. 313 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:35,520 His desire is to unite all of us in the distant worlds in the Warhammer world. 314 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,000 Warhammer galaxy, excuse me. 315 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,320 And to bring them all into the safety of the webway. 316 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,720 So I'm sure Talos just thought of making a nice empire. 317 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,600 That was it. 318 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:55,440 The Emperor is literally saving the entire human race as he brings us all into the safety of the webway 319 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,160 and out of the influence of chaos. 320 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:07,120 In there he will build a united humanity empire itself where the only things we have to worry about 321 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:10,480 are exploring knowledge and just peace itself. 322 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,360 Peace and a new golden age. 323 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:19,120 And the last thing I'll say about Talos is how useful was he towards the end? 324 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:21,040 I mean, his throat got scarred. 325 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,040 You know, couldn't you? 326 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,880 I mean, Dragonborn couldn't even be the Dragonborn after a certain amount of time. 327 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,400 How useful is that? 328 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,480 Essentially, he's just a big bureaucrat, essentially sitting on a throne. 329 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:38,720 And all he did was make a third attempt at an empire that eventually fell when the Oblivion Gate opened. 330 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,520 That's your time. 331 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:40,160 That's your time. 332 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,640 Well, I think that was certainly... 333 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,200 I know we said there would be a vitriolic final round, but we're getting started now. 334 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,520 Colin, how are you feeling? 335 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:57,120 I feel like he's given me plenty of ammunition for the third round, 336 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:05,680 but I will save the vitriol for them because I have plenty of actual points to make still for the next round. 337 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,960 Oh, I see how it is. 338 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,680 Okay. 339 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:13,600 Well, are you ready to put one in the chamber for the next round, shall we say? 340 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,160 I am. 341 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,320 Well, your time starts now. 342 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:24,240 Well, I'm glad you brought up the subject of the bloodline because, well, yes, they are gone. 343 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:32,720 It's important to note that the last member of Tiber Sceptome's bloodline, after centuries of it being distilled, 344 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:39,680 as you get further away from Talos himself, was still more than powerful enough to house the essence of a god 345 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:46,560 and clown on a Daedric Lord, a prince, pardon me, just completely erase one of his 346 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,680 gods, not erase, but banish one of the gods of the universe. 347 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,120 That's not even Tiber Sceptome. 348 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,000 That's his great-great-lot-of-greats grandson. 349 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,240 You mentioned, you know, he can't even shout anymore. 350 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,000 For quite some time, he could. 351 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,120 And you might go, oh, you know, Talos can unmake you with a word. 352 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:07,520 And you might go, the emperor could probably do that too. 353 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,640 And he could. 354 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,920 But the emperor's psychic powers are psychic powers. 355 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,480 Talos did not merely use magic. 356 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,280 He brought his will into world and remade it for such as the Thuum. 357 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,880 It's not mere magic. 358 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:27,440 It is speaking power itself into a form and ruining your enemies with it, which is what he could. 359 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,000 And, you know, you mentioned you became a bit of a bureaucrat. 360 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,880 I can't help but notice that the emperor's end goal, if everything didn't go wrong, 361 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,080 probably would have been much the same of just bureaucrat. 362 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:46,640 So as far as I'm concerned, that just means that Talos was successful in his empire forging 363 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:53,840 and didn't need to replace himself from emperor to chief chairsitter, as it were. 364 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,120 I guess I lied a little bit about the vitriol, didn't I? 365 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:04,080 But anyways, you know, and I can't help but notice again that whole godhood thing. 366 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:10,000 He ascended to godhood successfully and he did not need to steal from the chaos of the world. 367 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,440 God's to do so. 368 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,640 Such was the amazing power of Talos. 369 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,520 And as for his trip, I feel I should defend it. 370 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:23,600 First of all, Empire of Man, Talos, you can't beat the Roman trip. 371 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,200 The ultramarine is the best chapter. 372 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,040 Clearly agree with Talos in this one. 373 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,960 The Roman style trip is unparalleled. 374 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,880 And you claim, you know, he used the regular whatever sort. 375 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,800 Well, just ignore again the the Imperator Titan made out of magic and the heart of a dead god. 376 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,680 It's powered by, you know, well, ignore that weapon he has sitting in the corner. 377 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:42,640 I notice you've done. 378 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,640 I noticed he did not bring a new medium. 379 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:45,360 I won't. 380 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:45,920 I will. 381 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,880 I won't ignore it. 382 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,440 But his, you know, his regular weapons, you go, they're not trippy. 383 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,440 You know, they're not gaudy is what they are. 384 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:59,600 The emperor of Tamriel, Talos, Tiber Septim, he knows class when he sees it. 385 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,040 He appreciates the classics. 386 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,440 He doesn't need to drip himself out with pure gold and gaudy nonsense. 387 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,120 He's a down to earth man. 388 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:08,960 He even had a winning smile. 389 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,560 And most of all for this round, he doesn't treat his followers like dirt. 390 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,680 He loves his followers. 391 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,360 You know, give Heimskr some credit. 392 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:16,640 Talos does love you. 393 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,640 The Emperor doesn't give a damn about humanity. 394 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,000 He might love you, but that's your time, Colin. 395 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,560 So another thrilling round. 396 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,760 He might love you. 397 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,920 He loves you. 398 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,560 He does. 399 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,840 So I do have a question for the both of you regarding this round, though. 400 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,800 And it's something that I think you guys have both kind of mentioned, but I want you to elaborate. 401 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,440 So the Emperor of Mankind is interred on the Golden Throne and Talos has ascended to a god. 402 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,400 Who is actively doing more for their people in their ascended form? 403 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,440 I'll start with Hal. 404 00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:00,000 Well, the Emperor, just by existing, is the light of the Astronomicon. 405 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,160 He's also holding back the tide of hell itself with his mind. 406 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,680 The Emperor is also, as of the most recent lore, he has reawakened. 407 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,080 The Emperor is out there fighting chaos as it is appearing. 408 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,120 He's also imbuing his power into many parts. 409 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:23,680 And he's also, in fact, took on Nurgle in Godblight, may I mention. 410 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,520 And he, let's just say, resurrected your favorite man, your Roman drip. 411 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,360 Excuse me, Mr. Gillerman. 412 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,640 And he looked Nurgle in the face and told him to f off. 413 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,680 So I think he's pretty. 414 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,160 All right. 415 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:36,720 He's out there. 416 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,040 Okay. 417 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,520 That was great. 418 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,680 Colin, what's Talos been up to now that he is a god? 419 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:47,120 Well, I feel it's quite simple and not even a contest on who's more important. 420 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,520 He does appear among his worshippers. 421 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,040 He actually does so in Morrowind. 422 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,960 He does take on his own avatars and gets out and about every now and then. 423 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,520 And most importantly, he's holding reality itself together. 424 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,640 And if you kill Tiber Septim, you kill Talos, you unmake him as the Thalmor intend to do. 425 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,560 You don't have reality anymore. 426 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,920 It just resets to zero. 427 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,160 So in terms of who's more important, the damn Altmer who you should kill on site, 428 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,480 all Thalmor on site, Palin O'Wyche, nothing wrong. 429 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:20,480 They succeed. 430 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,760 No more, no more anything. 431 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,680 Not even, you know, no more warp travel. 432 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,960 You could still sit on your planet. 433 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,000 You just can't leave. 434 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:26,800 No more anything. 435 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,680 I mean, there was a bit really early on where you guys mentioned about, 436 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,800 was it the emperor looking into your mind to see who you're worshipping? 437 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,680 It just reminds me of that. 438 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:43,120 Is it that quest in Markarth where one of the Thalmor asks you to check someone's belongings 439 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,080 to see if they have a pendant of Talos and tell them about it? 440 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,160 Because Thalmor are terrible people. 441 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:49,860 Kills. 442 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,600 Kill him. 443 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,120 Put a poison apple in his pocket. 444 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:54,240 He won't notice. 445 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,200 OK, we have come to the final round. 446 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:06,160 The round of vitriol, the most, shall we say, the round that might break friendships. 447 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:12,480 So before we actually do this, I want to say to our viewers that we are all friends here. 448 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,680 Whatever is said. 449 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,320 We are all united by the hate of the Thalmor. 450 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:16,880 Exactly. 451 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,080 We're all friends here. 452 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,280 I saw what you said. 453 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:24,640 We're going to end this call after this and we're all going to, you know, 454 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,000 you're going to pat each other on the shoulder and kiss each other on the cheek and it'll be fine. 455 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:35,360 But with that said, it is time, Hal, for your final statement of one minute. 456 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:36,320 Are you ready? 457 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:38,240 See if I can fit this all in. 458 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,160 OK, I'm ready. 459 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,320 OK, well, your time starts now. 460 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,880 Enough of this N'zim sympathizer. 461 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:52,320 So Talos himself, as I said earlier, he was scarred across his throat. 462 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:58,160 Maybe the dragonborn, but couldn't use his Shao after like very early in his career. 463 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,440 That is awful. 464 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,320 He achieved godhood and the only thing he seemed to do as a god was transform 465 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,560 Cyrodiil into a discount meadow. 466 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,360 That's all he's done with the godhood. 467 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:14,240 He couldn't even conquer Hammerfell until he threw a dragon at it. 468 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,480 He was scared of the tribunal. 469 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,040 He had to negotiate with them because he knew he wasn't strong enough to take them. 470 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,520 He couldn't even conquer the elves until he threw the dwarven Numidian. 471 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,560 Yes, I did bring it up. 472 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:32,960 He had to throw it at them because his armies that he made were not strong enough to take them on. 473 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,200 The emperor conquered the galaxy to save humanity, to bring them into the webway. 474 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,360 Tyber Settlement just did it because why not? 475 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,160 And he also has the worst amulet in Skyrim. 476 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,840 His cooldown on Thuum? 477 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,120 Get that out of my face, bro. 478 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,360 All right, that's your lot. 479 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,840 That was the amulet one that I felt my guts churn at the mention. 480 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:54,960 It's the worst one. 481 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,440 It's pretty terrible. 482 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,240 I gotta be honest. 483 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,760 Right, very compelling stuff. 484 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,720 Colin, are you ready for your final word? 485 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,920 Okay, Colin, your time starts now. 486 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:18,640 First of all, I'm sorry you've never known the sheer thrill of Fusro dying someone off a cliff 487 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,400 and then being able to do it much sooner because of the cooldown on that amulet. 488 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,200 First of all, second of all, you know what? 489 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,400 Again, lightning storm. 490 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,840 The whole thing becomes lightning. 491 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,280 Cooldown on shouts is amazing. 492 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,720 But anyway, speaking of the emperor mankind, he is nothing but failure. 493 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,720 He failed with the webway. 494 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,080 He failed with the suns. 495 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,520 Half of them turned traitor against him. 496 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,560 Half of the mortal army also turned traitor against him. 497 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,280 Don't forget that. 498 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,600 And you might think, oh, the webway thing wasn't him. 499 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,480 That was Magnus. 500 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,560 Magnus is his son who he created with his own power and science. 501 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,800 And even the charisma of a god that he has couldn't stop nine of his kids from trying 502 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,080 to put a dagger in his throat. 503 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,480 Couldn't help but notice that Talos's followers love him utterly. 504 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,240 And the closest thing to not liking Talos they have is temporarily halting public worship 505 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,120 so they can kill the elves and then get back to it. 506 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,800 Meanwhile, half the emperor's son. 507 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,000 You know, I hate my dad. 508 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:12,560 Let's kill him. 509 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,440 Let's shake him. 510 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,120 That's your minute, I'm afraid. 511 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:15,520 No more. 512 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,600 I felt like he needed more. 513 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,200 You could tell Colin wasn't even started. 514 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,520 He was like, I've still got so much to say. 515 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,280 One minute is not near enough. 516 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,160 I'm going to shed a tear for the potentially losing Tamriel. 517 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,040 The land's so big, I can walk across Scarim in 15 minutes. 518 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,680 You play arena and say that again. 519 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,400 Oh, that's true. 520 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:38,960 All right. 521 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,000 This is a really interesting one because I guess it's helped me to cast my vote. 522 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,400 Although again, this is really up to the viewers. 523 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,360 You've heard both sides of the debate, everyone who's been watching. 524 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,560 So let us know in the comments who you thought did better. 525 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,080 But I'm going to tell you what I think. 526 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,800 So round one was very interesting. 527 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,400 It was the most information dense. 528 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,600 On how side he mentioned about, you know, the fact that he was a god. 529 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,480 The fact that he is an incredibly powerful Psyker. 530 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,600 He was able to conquer massive foes such as the void dragon. 531 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,840 He was a scholar, an artist, a scientist and a warrior. 532 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:24,560 He ascended from a mortal man or a mortal man that was also, you know, unkillable. 533 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,680 So fair enough. 534 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:31,120 And also he actually went out into the stars and he conquered more than just one planet. 535 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,040 Then we went to Colin who talked about, you know, he was again, he wasn't really. 536 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,280 He did inherit gifts like the power of the dragonborn, but he wasn't as, 537 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,840 I suppose, overpowered from the start as the emperor, but still also became a god. 538 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,760 A god whose death would basically sunder existent itself. 539 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,520 Had the power of infinite magic drawn from the sun and these incredible 540 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,280 create creatures, I suppose you'd call it like the Numidian. 541 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,360 Round two, how mentioned the drip, which I have to admit, 542 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,640 emperors got really good drip and those luscious locks. 543 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,480 I don't know what conditioner he uses, 544 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,160 but my word Fabio looking good in the 41st millennium. 545 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,920 Well, not anymore, I suppose. 546 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,040 So the drip is cool, but nowadays the drip is gone. 547 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:19,440 So he does have a very flashy sword that can literally unend 548 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,280 beings that would otherwise be immortal, which is pretty cool. 549 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,480 And he did have a bright future in vision for humanity. 550 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,440 But then again, Kalos also had a bright vision and he seemed to have a better 551 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,120 shot at actually achieving it. 552 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:33,600 I don't know. 553 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,400 I mean, where's the empire now? 554 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,520 Where's the empire now? 555 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,760 Where is where is I've run by to an extent? 556 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,440 I mean, both are in a bad way. 557 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,880 Where the traitor legions now? 558 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,920 And again, the way in my basement, 559 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,480 Talos does actively work to help his followers, as does Biggie. 560 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,920 This is a really tough one. 561 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,560 I got to admit, it can be a draw if you want to give it to the comments. 562 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,480 But I will say I do like how Talos achieved his ascendancy in power through, 563 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,960 essentially, as far as I understand, force of sheer will rather than stealing power, 564 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,400 which is pretty cool. 565 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,800 And then the third round, there was just a lot of Duncan on the Talos amulet and fumes. 566 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,040 But then again, I do enjoy chucking people off mountains with Fus Rodar. 567 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,520 He's got the discount meadow. 568 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,400 That's all he's done. 569 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,480 Discount meadow. And again, there is a lot of copy paste of dungeons in Talos's, you know, 570 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,440 awesome little planet. 571 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,800 Because it cleared him out well. 572 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,080 He didn't let evil fester. 573 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,520 Right. And then and I will also mention that this is this is kind of a tricky one as well, 574 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,080 because, you know, obviously, one factor that works against Colin in this is that 575 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,880 the emperor in 40k is galaxy wide. 576 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,680 This girl is quite big. 577 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,760 Elder Scrolls is on a world. 578 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,120 So I'm not going to. 579 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,800 My body's still alive too. 580 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,800 My guy's still around. 581 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,600 So was mine. 582 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,600 All right. 583 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:57,920 All right. 584 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:58,480 All right. 585 00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,440 Off in the corner. 586 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,480 It's just like I'll do something eventually. 587 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,040 That's it. 588 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,440 Yeah. 589 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,400 Well, here's the thing. 590 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,920 Here's a question for you, Hal. 591 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,200 Is the emperor actually dead and he is reborn as a god in the immaterium, 592 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,000 or is he still a mortal man that's just very powerful? 593 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:13,760 The answer is both. 594 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,120 That's that sounds like a cop out to me. 595 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:17,680 I don't know. 596 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,160 It's true. 597 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,520 He dies every day. 598 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,920 And he's also has godlike power. 599 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,840 And I'm just saying, I mean, Colin, am I wrong in remembering that good old Sean Bean Martin 600 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,760 was inhabited by the spirit of Talos and that he was if did his powers briefly for fighting? 601 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,200 Is it what's his name? 602 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:37,600 Dago? 603 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,000 The rules of the name Maroon's Dagon. 604 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,560 I mean, wasn't that how those that was the exactly? 605 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,480 Yeah, that was a cutoff. 606 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:50,080 Oh, so if that's the case, then I'm just trying to think of what Talos has been up to as a. 607 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,280 Yeah, well, he's in. 608 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,640 He doesn't do anything. 609 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,120 He said he shows up in Marwan. 610 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,200 He's holding reality itself together. 611 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,080 What? 612 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,200 Just by existing? 613 00:34:59,200 --> 00:34:59,520 Yes. 614 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:00,720 Yes. 615 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:01,440 Sit there. 616 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:01,920 He sits. 617 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,680 And giving out his blessings to worshipers and helping those. 618 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,120 The 20% called to people who can't use. 619 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,320 That's the game mechanic. 620 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,200 It is more than that. 621 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,880 OK, OK, OK. 622 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,440 Settle down. 623 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,280 I have made my decision. 624 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,000 It was a very close one. 625 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:27,280 I have to admit, the viewers might not agree with me, but I will. 626 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:27,680 I will. 627 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,040 I will have to say that my decision is. 628 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,840 Talos, the mighty, the honoring Talos, the unassailable. 629 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:46,480 I can you we give praise, but we are but maggots thriving in the filth of our own corruption 630 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,360 while you have ascended from the dung of mortality. 631 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,560 Did you pull that out? 632 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,120 Walk among the stars. 633 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,080 So that's my answer. 634 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,080 Did you have that? 635 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,880 It was a close thing. 636 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,480 I might have. 637 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,840 I had two quotes and then my decision I would do a fun one. 638 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,920 So the person who won my vote for that one was Colin, the undefeated versus man so far. 639 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,040 I can't win a damn quiz, but I can win the person. 640 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:13,760 I was going to say. 641 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:20,240 Okay, I feel like how is going to dominate the quizzes and Colin might dominate the debate. 642 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,480 So that was a lot of fun, though. 643 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,880 So you two kiss and make up. 644 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:25,200 Come on. 645 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,360 I'm not sure we actually should kiss on camera. 646 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,720 That's for the eventual page on. 647 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,200 I would need to stretch quite far. 648 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:39,040 So well, either way, I think that was a bit of fun and we're all friends. 649 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,040 We're all we're all friends. 650 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,480 I asked what you get for Nazeem sympathizers. 651 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,880 That was that was the most painfully you threw at me. 652 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,520 Now uncalled for. 653 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,000 I think I'd rather be called a Falmour supporter. 654 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:55,520 Oh, dear. 655 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,240 Have you ever been to the SkyJet? 656 00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,760 No, of course not. 657 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,480 And on that note, this has been Warhammer Versus. 658 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,560 Do we have any closing thoughts from either of you about the debate and how it went? 659 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,720 Kill Falmour on site. 660 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,320 Kill Falmour on site. 661 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,280 That's all we'll say. 662 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,560 Kill Falmour on site. 663 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,280 Fair enough. 664 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,560 Total death. 665 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,560 Well, I guess with that said, thank you all so much for watching the video. 666 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,240 If you if you if you feel inclined, please leave us a like or a comment. 667 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,360 Tell us what you thought and who you thought should have won the debate. 668 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,920 And other than that, go out to your local games. 669 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,600 Well, not games, games, shortstop or games, games place. 670 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:36,320 Get Skyrim. 671 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:42,000 Dig it out of the closet or the or the the game library of your your Xbox or PlayStation 672 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,000 or PC, wherever, and boot it up just so you can kill a few Falmour. 673 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,320 And I guess we'll see you in the next episode. 674 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,800 Catch you next time, boys. 675 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,760 Take care, everyone. 676 00:37:51,760 --> 00:38:06,160 Throw Murr into trash compactors.