Not always the Emperor's is playing a massive game of Monopoly when you think about it
Oh God, I wonder all the if you had to replace like all the names of like the London streets
What would you put there pray something?
McCrug is definitely one of the blue ones the dark blue. Oh
Oh, yeah, all right, like the end. Yeah, like a male. Oh, that's quite all that expensive shiz
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of lore crimes it has been
Some time since we've done the the timeline podcast, but fear not. We've not forgotten
That's the end of the episode. We're going to be doing a new episode of lore crimes. It's been a long time
And I'm sure you've probably seen it before
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of lore crimes. It has been
Some time since we've done the the timeline podcast, but fear not. We've not forgotten it because today
we're back coming at you live with the great crusade and
We're gonna cover, you know
What's what was going on with that and just this tide of humanity sweeping across the galaxy under the Emperor's banner
I'm feeling loads of Eldar. I you know, I tried I tried to extend a branch with that one and not say something sassy
But you had to throw it in
It was unavoidable was it?
Well before we get on to the
the Imperium's
The rot beneath facade showing quite nicely as it did in the great crusade
Why don't I pass it over to Eli with a question of the week before we get this ball rolling?
Last time we forgot to do a question, but the time before that we asked you what your lore lies were and
I chose a couple answers first one isn't funny, but I like it
It says the traders had no reason to keep the second and eleventh secret, but they did anyway
That's kind of true
Yeah
Continuity is not a thing is it?
Will of the Emperor how day here and we and then the next two are like
Sorry, go ahead call say I think flouting the will of the Emperor kind of went out the window around this man
I think by that point it was the will of the Emperor was well and gone
Geez
Okay, then the next two are absolute heresy and I hate them, but they're funny
So this I forgot I didn't put down the name of the first one
I'm sorry, but good job to the guy who wrote that but this one is from aero bit 42
The best kept secret in 40k is that the con could have left the webway anytime he wanted
But the dressy is too good and comrade to leave
Targeted
We've seen that artwork they were it's Gillum and it's he's talking to the car and he's got like some some like yeah
Do cari aldar ladies. He's just like getting the things
Also had a little extra is the best keep secret in Age of Sigmar is that Felix did get revived as a storm cast
But all of his baby mom was did as well. That's why no one can find him. Oh
Something along the same lines the Inquisition doesn't want you to know this but Jagatai is absent from the setting due to his
conquering of Jukari witches
He just
Andy's day apparently his favorite
Mm-hmm. Who doesn't like the car? I'll tell you losers
Accused with being lazy the man you go fast is
Those elder women are the best
stuff
All right moving on our next
Our question this week is what is your imperial truth use hashtag imp truth?
In the commas what you're saying is that we can find it. Let us know the
Let's see the the unwavering truth of warhammer funny. Thank you funny
You get very funny funny the better is for example imperial truth the Emperor's of God stop pretending. He isn't space marine to get over that
Very true
Alright, so why don't we get to the actual content and I'll pass it over for the beginner section to
Mr. Hallorandy, I already forgot
How short for Halbert it's their
Conglomeration of Hal and Andy I'll pass it over to Andy
And is the worst
Okay, so boys
Today we'll be talking about perhaps not the not the mediocre not the average but the great crusade
The humble crusade the great crusade it was the great crusade then the mid crusade
Didn't get caught on. This is the great crusade and if you are new to warhammer. This is a
pretty like foundational war event that kind of
Starts the entire
Setting so if you hadn't heard of it, that's okay
If you do know about it, hopefully we'll cover some more details and sort of like general events
But we're gonna cover it as like a general over arc. So not
Specifically what every legion did because they'll be getting their own video, but we'll kind of go
The big broad strokes and the thing about the great crusade is it's kind of like the catalyst
It's it's one it's the downfall of humanity
But it's also the start the resurgence for like the elder to an extent and then
A few thousand years later you get the necrons on the tower getting involved and but you know chaos starts
It's it's big purge of you know all living things. So it's it's very much where the ball gets rolling for the setting
so
Going straight into it. We start with the beginner section
So the great crusade is itself the foundation of the Imperium of mankind
So many of the well-known chapters legions
figures they're all sort of born or
Come to prominence within this sort of time and it's a period where it lasts about 200
Years or just over I think 200 years from like start till
the beginning of the Horus heresy where it all goes down the toilet and
We all enjoy that because obviously that's why we're all here
so
The great crusade started as the beginning of the great crusade
The great crusade started as the reconquest of the lost colonies of mankind
Created by the emperor himself and this took place in the late 30th millennium
So the emperor is just on terror terrorism all unified and now he's like
stars rubs his hands together
They're looking a bit sexy. So he's gonna go bring them into his little
That's a juicy human colony right there. I want some of that for myself. Yeah
That's a that's a nice empire you got there be ashamed
Conquer it would be to lose it. Uh
He dropped his empire card. He looked um
So with his armies of millions of mortal soldiers
20 proto legions of space marines and his custodians by his side
The emperor goes it's conquest in time
Uh, not always the emperor is just playing a massive game of monopoly when you think about it
Oh god, I wonder what all the uh, if you had to replace like all the names of like the london streets
What would you uh put there pray something?
and uh
Some other
McCrugs definitely one of the blue ones the dark blue
Oh, oh, yeah. All right, like the end. Yeah like pal mal
Oh, that's cool. All that expensive shiz
Uh, so the great crusade began with the conquest of the soul system
So obviously
You know straight out the gate
He needs his home base and it begins also with the alliance with the mechanicum of mars the sort of tech priests
Uh brotherhood that lives upon there we'll go into more detail about them
Probably in their own video actually but obviously further on in this video, too
And as the great crusade pushed past the boundaries of the soul system
Like star system after star system was just like crunked and it was all brought into imperial
compliance
So this came from like primitive worlds as well all the way up to like advanced civilizations of like human colonies
And this was from what most people don't know like it's also done through diplomacy as well as war
So it wasn't always that space marines were like yo get in there fam
Um that that world's looking a bit, you know thirsty for some stomping
uh, so it was often a lot of diplomatic, you know, lots of preaching from the uh iterators and the
Remembrance is funny enough. So we have our own
I mean remember and some of the planets. Yeah, they have nice civilizations and the other ones are like eating raw meat
And then the imperium goes. Hey, would you like a microwave? It's like, oh, of course I would that's much better than what I have now
You know microwave food did birth the imperium
Hot pockets saved humanity. Yes
Okay, the ham and cheese is the best flavor
Oh my gosh, this is why humanity fell
Do we even have pockets in the uk? I don't think we do. I mean, I think we call them hot slices
Is that the same thing? That sounds I mean, is it just a it's a little like
Not biscuit, but just like bread filled with cheese
Okay, people didn't come for their cheese knowledge they came for their wall
Does the emperor like brie? I don't know
uh probably
Actually, no, he's probably a heretic. So I'm way worse like wensiedale. Um, so they also spread
Uh throughout the growing imperium the atheistic imperial truth now
This will come to bite everyone in the back like later, but we'll obviously discuss a bit more of it later itself
So as the imperium began to like grow
And it was the decades were like just flying past
they finally
Found the prime marks which had been lost sort of launch from terror if you followed our previous
episode the birth the imperium go check that out if you want to
and
the first
Primark that was found was our main man and
sort of the
Well, it's very obvious what happens to him
It's horus lupacal and obviously named the horus heresy later on you can probably tell how that kind of goes bad
And he's a good boy at first
He's he's a good boy. He's a favorite son at first space rogen does fine for a while space. Joe rog- Oh god
God I mean it's like it's like yo, Jamie. Can you pull that up and he's just
The emperor like yeah, Jamie, can you pull that up? Uh, look at this dystopian going on. What's that about? Hmm?
Wow, that's amazing. Have you seen that video of that deer getting hit by the car?
Like his betrayal was because he did a bit too much dmt and that's why the horus heresy happened because of all the visions
He had it was nothing with like the anatheme or whatever. It was just the dmt
So um some few like, uh
Notable things about the primarks when they took over their legions
Throughout the throughout the great crusade they very much molded them into their own image and when we do like their own videos about
Like what happens to each primark and their legion will kind of go into how that was
uh, sort of done how they kind of reformed them and
some main like notable events during the great crusade are the infamous rangdan zenosides
and we're gonna we're gonna delve into that a bit. I can't wait
and
Also, two of the primarks themselves were expunged from the annals of history. So they didn't actually
Not all 20 primarks made it
To the end some of them got, you know tripped up
Crawling didn't quite cross the finish line
There was also the war upon the world of ulunor and the infamous triumph of war master horus
And the even more infamous
council of nikea
If you are probably a history fan
Uh, you're probably thinking wait, isn't the council of nikea?
You know, wasn't that with emperor justinian?
Uh back in you know back in the day pre like early medieval. No, this is not that
No, this is not that one. This is a 40k version of the council of kainia. I think you'll find there we go. Oh god
and uh
Well as the great crusade expanded the imperium grew rapidly
It's obviously thousands upon thousands of worlds were incorporated into this imperium of mankind with the emperor
but the great crusade
Didn't last forever and unfortunately it would come to a close around about
Uh two centuries in with the corruption of the emperor's favorite son
War master horus
Horus does turn traitor. He is corrupted by chaos and
I hate to say it
Erebus was there
Uh, I do despise erbus
Uh, I do hate i'd love to hate him, but I do hate him so much. We'll talk more about erbus at some point
and
this
Uh ends the great crusade as the imperium turns into civil war
And it begins the horus heresy
Does anyone have any uh questions so far any comments they might want to make about the great crusade?
What was war master horus's favorite cheese guys not they don't care about
Oh god, he's probably he's a cheddar. He's sound like he's a basic bitch
Nothing wrong with the basics. They're basic for a reason
I didn't know we didn't know we had such cheese pyrotons on the channel. Yeah god. I know snob
Okay
People care about cheese not as much as the french, but you know, we're up there
it's it's not really a question, but I like to imagine like as the imperium's boundaries slowly expand just the
Eldar craft words like right we're staying out of this neighborhood. We're uh, we're taking a hard left at the next star system we find
But they're just like nope divert
It's probably like it is like playing. Um, the one here's done like medieval
Uh, also age of empires too like multiplayer and the enemy team is like crying. It's like yo, yo, stop stop chill chill
Like i'm just over here trying to mine my gold
I mean, it's like it's getting out of hand and you're and the enemy team has someone who knows exactly how to get to the
Third age in 10 minutes and 15 seconds flat
I did it only a few times and I actually got like, you know, you get bullied
As an adult online, so you stop doing something
That's the only time I did it. Oh god
r.i.p
uh with that being said if
No one has any more questions or insights, uh, actually head straight on into the expert section boys over
For me
All righty, then so
expert time so we begin all the way back to the beginning of our story here with the
Conquest of terror. So this is the 30th or the very late end of the 30th millennium
The emperor himself has unified all of terror. He's unleashed his adeptus astartes, which are the space marines
And the last kind of enclaves of resistance are basically quashed. No one can stand up to
a space marine let alone even the uh previous thunder warriors who have been purged and
At this time the emperor sort of spreads his imperial truth across terror. This is
itself a
I'm not sure if it's an actual book the imperial truth. I think it might be like a manual of some kind
but the imperial truth itself is a
We say atheistic code, but it's not just that it just includes many parts that deny the
existence of things like yeah, it's more like a secular than an it because atheism is like
Um a rejection. Yeah, the not no, it's just the this the
Not acknowledging a religion whereas secularism is more a
Proposition of the values of not following a religion if if the distinction makes sense, I suppose
Yeah, how did the emperor just uh explain psychic powers to people?
I don't remember. Don't worry about it. It's fine. Yeah, I was gonna say that his answer was uh
So like you have special genetics you can cast magic powers, but it's not actually magic
It's like maybe you had those um, you know, there's like little devices for men in black where this goes
Because you didn't see me use any
Any side for more can tell also go ahead. He's he's got like a power point where it's like yeah
I know souls are real. I know magic is real but god's no that one's off the table. That's just absurd
although I know I know in the the the first few horror serizzi books like they they kind of brush off demons and stuff it's
Like oh, it's just like
phenomena from like weird powers. We don't quite understand
That bro, it's just a thing silly little dude
It's a silly dude with 17 rows of teeth and claws. It's fine
You know, it's like that whole thing of like if you show if you showed people technology in the past
They'd think it was magic and they're kind of along that line of like, oh, we just don't understand it. Yeah, it's just some silly little
Thing don't want to 100 like a michelin web, uh scare
Um from what I can tell though, I think
They the way they talked about it in like the early horrors heresy slash great crusade like books
They describe it more like a kind of there's like a scientific reasoning for it. So they describe it's like weapons rather than like a
mystical art they don't really
uh
understand at the time or perhaps kept in the dark many of the uh
Psychers that are living in the imperium that oh their belief actually like powers
psychic um
Powers themselves are powers powers. I mean, is it more like they're just saying oh, it's more like the x-men like it's a mutation
It's it's not psychic powers. It's just supernat line supernat. It's just weird superpowers. We've kind of gained as a mutation
Don't worry about it. It's fine when they're like aliens in the universe. This is like a this is just a little bit of a step
It's not quite
Uh, they're not they're not made it mystical
Um quite yet, but they they'll soon find out soon in 200 years. I'll find out
So the emperor begins
The conquest of the stars. It's a big event and the emperor is actually personally kind of leading this charge out into the
The you know, bringing the lights towards the stars even though the stars are light, you know, he's a he's a contradicting figure
shall we say and
This conquest begins with the colonies on the moon which called lunar at the time
and the colonists describe the
attack of the space marines are so like
brutal that they say the emperor, you know, pull back your walls essentially and this was
Something that earned the legion the lunar walls that kind of nickname supposedly which the lunar walls will be quite prominent in the
great crusade
and the
emperor also has his communes with the mechanicum of mars this sort of tech priest's brotherhood and
They believe him to be the omnisci and the omnisci just like a brief rundown
the tech priests of mars kind of worship the machine god and like technology itself
and they believe the omnisci is like a
physical representation of the machine god in the universe and they kind of like test the emperor by like
Asking him to fix basically an unfixable
Device and obviously the emperor being thousands of years old
You know uses his knowledge and he does fix it. So like oh my god
He fixed the toaster that my waifu toaster although like I want you to get to level 1000 on the original pac-man
And then you can prove that you really are the omnisci and he goes, okay
Done it. So yeah, so the
Yeah, so the mechanic of mars they go. Oh, you know, you're basically jesus. So they ally with the emperor
and they agree to
Forge like weapons and mass produce sort of armor and munitions for the enormous and growing armies of the emperor
and with his
Go ahead. I do think it's support to a note that
Not all of them went along with this willingly
Yeah later initially they uh, plenty of them were like this is the omnisci although
Plenty others were not quite so down with that
And were rather forced into that role and that'll come up later in the heresy
It certainly does and
So with the emperor having his 20 legions of thousands of space marines
he has uh at this time no primarchs
Currently, although there is a
Yeah, there might perhaps be a primarch but we'll tackle that maybe in his own video at some point
But so there's currently 20 legions that have no
Primarch leaders they are led by the space marines or like a chosen
Nominated usually it's a lord commander that that would lead them
and they
And alongside the emperor himself, you know a fleet full of warships and the custodians the emperor's like personal guard
they launch out into the further galaxy and they start to begin their conquest which they actually call the
reunification of the colonies of mankind as it's previously
Uh mankind had spread to the stars and obviously with the age of strife collapse. Everyone was isolated. So it's more like a
Uh, you know, it's like if rome fell and something someone oh
Rome 2.0 and then you know, it's like I guess it's like emperor justinian coming back to rome sort of uh,
Everyone knows their history and i'll pass over to andy to talk about
Kind of something special they found as they started to spread out to the stars take it away andy
Uh, yeah, so uh during the initial stages of
the expanse across the stars, uh, we mentioned that
We mentioned that obviously the emperor hasn't got any prior marks yet
However, there is a very very close proximity by the name of kafonia
Now kafonia used to be this mining planet that was full of bountiful riches and minerals, you know
I don't think it states explicitly what it was but just just imagine, you know that scene
In snow white where all the dwarves are just like hammering away at like precious rubies and stuff and it's all shiny
Uh, probably that lots of gemstones maybe some stuff to make weapons with promethium, whatever
Um, but ever since the age of strife this planet has been completely gutted and it's now no longer got much value
and what is what is actually left on the planet is
somewhat scrapped upon by about a bunch of uh rival gangs and the gang lords rule this planet with a
An iron fist, but also they do they do govern to an extent
and fortunately for kafonia
Or maybe unfortunately a young man by the name of horus
Happens to land upon the planet now
The the accounts vary about what exactly happened with horus's time on kafonia because it's kept obscure
quite um
What's the word quite?
Gdw don't want you to know too much because the mystery is kind of intriguing
but what we do know is that horus ascends up the ranks of the gang culture
and
After a few years he manages to become the guy in charge
I know i've mentioned it in the podcast before but I would say he becomes like the michael caulion the godfather of kafonia
and
Uh the master of mankind acronym mum so mum or mom finds horus
Mom goes. Oh, there's one of my sons. He's quite a piece of work
Uh, he's already basically gotten in charge of this, uh, pretty brutal gang culture
Um
I think i'll take him under my wing and show him the ways of the universe
and for a time
Horus is the only primarch except one possibly with orpheus
Um, great question. Does the uh, does the emperor make horus an offer that he can't refuse?
Yeah
Yeah, to be honest, I don't think it's mentioned whether or not horus
Objects or because some of the primarchs go I don't really want to be part of this
But from what I can tell horus just goes yeah, that sounds pretty sweet. I'll uh
Yeah, this makes sense. Look at this gold dude. Who's like 17 foot tall and there's massive fleets and i've grown up on this like
like the equivalent of um
like the north of england where all the mines are closed like all the
I think I said chicago mines are closed
Is it not chicago or chicago? Yeah, it's just like yeah chicago in the 1950s, but i've never even been I just know it's bad
Is it bad colin?
What that chicago sucks?
I mean, yeah, I just know the reference. I mean you've probably been you've been talking to me long enough
Fair enough. I uh, I do not have the uh, the kindest opinion of the city i'm nearest
Um, well, uh, the musical's nice at least. Yeah, you know musical's nice and to be fair
I'm sure some of it is I don't live in the
In the heartland of the city as it were
Uh, some of my friends do swear by the city
Uh, just not my style as it were i'm going to continue to make fun of it for comedy sake
Well, either way, uh space chicago, uh, or kafonia as it would be known
Um was one of the it was because it was one of the first places with a prime mark that was found
It was also one of the first places where they started inducting astartes into the legions
The lunar wolves the 16th legion already had a reputation during the uh unification of terror
I believe the citizenry to this day in the universe refer to the howl of the wolf
as something to be feared because of their reputation
and
Because horus is now being mentored personally by the emperor. There's no other prime marks. He's getting very strong
He's getting very wise is getting very skillful at the arts of diplomacy and war and governance
and
I believe for about 20. I think it's 20 years. He's the only one who's being mentored by the the emperor apart from
possibly arthurius, but
We'll just say yeah, it's just him for at least imperial records
He's the only one that's ever mentioned
Um, and it would the next prime mark that would be found would be leman ross
And i'm just going to go through like a list of the the order of the prime marks that are found
So bear in mind that the lunar wolves are now very very capable. The other legions are doing stuff all across the stars
They're all doing great, but without their prime marks, they're not doing
They're not they're not reaching their full potential
So the the first prime mark to be found by records is horus
The second is leman ross and leman ross is a stark contrast on this very uh, you know
uh
Sharp edged but quite suave and charismatic leader to this like barbarian king
But you know, he's he's he's he's a very good killer and so is his lead-in
So they're quite useful. Uh, the third prime mark to be found is the elusive second prime mark. We know
Barely anything about the second prime mark. Does anyone have any tidbits they can add to other than
Ooh mystery
I'm saying he's a pretty mysterious isn't he this one was the second was the one that fulgrum said was
Rather humorless and he also called them a hypocrite
Uh, what that's that's about all the solid information we got on him, which is more than the ninth that it's two sentences
True. It's uh, yeah, it was I think fulgrum said he's normally humorous humorless
and uh, he called him a hypocrite when the second
Said fulgrum was being vain when he said he could conquer a world with just eight space marines
Uh, so that's the that's the end of the lore
I know there's uh, there's been some speculation
Uh, for example rogue hobbies at a video about like maybe the second legion was the rainbow warriors
because of like their ancient aztec theme and
Maybe the prime mark was the leader of them
But and it's like this world called prism which is redacted but it's all unknown. Who knows? It's the second legion
That's also there. That's all we know
That's also for some meta history because in the I think the original 40k all 20 original legions were known and the rainbow warriors
And I think like the yeah valedictors were another one. I believe that's them possibly
Uh, so but that's been retconned away
At least that being the certainty
Feels bad
Um, and they got a cool, uh paint paint scheme as well. Um, but the next prime mark to be found is ferris manas and
We've mentioned him before he's actually like very important as far as
Uh mentoring the other prime marks because when you think like who's lehman gonna like i like lehman russ
But who's he gonna mentor of them being like let's go for a drink and then punch someone like okay lehman come down
Uh horus is quite busy as like the the wunderkind of the emperor
So ferris is very much like the mentor for a lot of prime marks to follow
Uh funnily enough the next prime mark to be found is full grim
uh, everyone's favorite, uh
hedonist and uh, you know, the only prime mark to ever liberate his home world without violence, which is pretty cool
Um, elise favorite we should mention elise favorites. Yeah, my boy. Mr. Vasachi via 40k. Um
So the next prime mark to be found is vulcan. Uh, everyone's big teddy bear who uh is a master forge forge crafter and also
Uh has a reputation for being just like the swellest guy when he's not burning eldar children alive
But the swellest guy, I mean he's still pretty swell when he's doing that. All right
That's rather rude
Child child
Thing is it's an eldar child like do they grow up the same age as like a six-year-old is the same as a six-year-old
Yeah, she was like 60 bro. Come on
Oh
We did not score
This is off topic but uh in the in the in the damocles crusade books
A water cast a little innocent water cast house trying to talk down this ultramarine and she's like
Would your ancestors and your god be proud of you for?
Her striking down an innocent unarmed being and then kato sicarius comes in and kills her and says yes
Wow i'm liking kato sicarius a bit more that's quite a move that's a power based on based on sicarius
For real
Comment isn't it? I kato sicarius. Yeah in the comment section we see
Yeah, appreciate it. We love you
Um, so yeah, the next one to be found is roguel dawn everyone's favorite brick wall
um
I mean he would probably call himself a brick wall as well. I mean I do like his he gets a bit more
Personality in the siege of terror but not under the best circumstances
Uh, but again, he's very good in terms of oh we've now got our first builder on board nice
Like vulcan crafts things but he kind of like crafts doomsday weapons more than like anything else. So
So the uh, they've modified his personality in the siege of terror
Uh, and and funnily enough, um the first emperor to be brought into the fold because he he ruled the inwit empire
Followed by him. We have another emperor rebute gilliman the eighth primarch to be found who uh,
We don't need to say much about rebute. He's just already killing it as far as things go
He's got the most worlds. He's got his own military his own civilization. He's smashing it everyone. Well colin loves him a lot
Don't you colin?
do
Do I like do school?
And having roguel and rebute in quick succession is like, oh brilliant. That's great
The empire building is coming along swimmingly. We know that they're at the helm
Mm-hmm. And then the next uh for an interesting then it's magnus everyone's favorite nerd
um
So we start to understand the magic that's not magic. Um
um, he's very studious he starts to uncover some of the secrets of the warp and
This is when the cracks start to form and the emperor's like dude. Stop it. Stop. Stop. I told you no reading after 9 p.m
Go go go be like normal children and play football or something. I don't know if you do i'll burn your world to the ground
Um, and then everyone's uh favorite, uh, uh goody tushu sanguineous has found uh from the irradiated planet of baal
Sanguineous is now uh now he's in in play the imperium's got a very majestic
a iffic looking person to look up to despite the imperial truth and you've literally got a winged angel in gold, but you know
to each their own um
The next one to be found is the lion. So we've now got uh, the the
The returned primarch that's in the news at the moment, but also the best general arguably other than horus
So that's quite good for the imperium because now they've got two very big heavy hitters for just
We need something to be exterminated across the stars
Horus can go to the east
Lion can go to the west and they'll come back and uh, everything will be dead and we'll be happy and we'll have champagne
Uh, then we've got everyone's favorite. Uh, I was gonna say edgelord, but it's not curse. Uh, perturabo. Uh, everyone's favorite. Um
Yeah, manchild manchild. Yeah, expressio depressio
I mean, it's it's cool that perturabo is here, but we've already had roguedorn five prime marks ago
So he's already got a lot to catch up with which is
Like that come on
I mean, he's he's cool and everything but i'm just saying at least for the timeline like roguedorn is already like
He's already turned up illiman's already
The lion's here. It's like there's kind of less things for him to do now that they're already being like
Attended to which I think is also one of the reasons why he gets quite embittered
But you know, we've now got the guy who's like a like a living manual
He's like a living pdf file of I want to build something get purty to to craft it for us
And he starts
Starts committing war crimes here and there but also building occasionally. So that's nice
Uh speaking of war crimes, then we've got mortarion
um
smelly smelly rick and more morning morning
He will be uh
Terrible hygiene but greater, you know, uh chemical warfare
Moving swiftly on uh, oh no, we've got logar
everyone's favorite, uh choir boyest choir boy during the age of skepticism and uh,
Uh, you know religion is cringe. So, uh, you know to be fair to logar. He does bring a lot of worlds into compliance, but not
So much for your bloodshed as uh indoctrination
So that's fun
And then the best fry mark turns up jagatai khan, baby
We're true real to go fast got to go fast
Um not much to say other than jagatai is like, oh cool. I get to go around the galaxy and kill orcs. Nice
moving on um
Here comes the edge of order. Conrad curse is next
Uh adding his baggage to the emperor of mankind like a 10 ton brick
Because
What is cursed he brings wells into compliance and he cries a lot
um speaking of crying angron is next
uh
Again comes into the great crusade
Uh revving is that as chain axes?
Come on people
Because I am
Spangrenous I am spangrenous, uh, I'm gonna hit right that just sounds off. No, no, it doesn't
Fangrenous
I'm good like hypers, isn't it? Oh no
For when you just absolutely miss the blue
Moving on swiftly bringing it down. I said moving on swiftly, uh moving on swiftly. We've got um
Hot topic the primarch corvus corax is here. He's very sneaky
Moving on, uh, then it's the 11th primarch who has more uh more
More presence than cork. No, I won't say that. Uh, the 11th primarch is here
uh
This is the thing the second half of the primarchs
It's like they're here committing war crimes these guys who they kill things cool
And then finally, uh, omegon slash alpharius is found and that's all the primarchs. They're back, baby
and uh
Because uh, you know the imperium is doing quite well at this point
Um, but there are some conflicts waging across the stars which are actually becoming a bit of a hindrance to the progress of the great crusade
Such as the rangdan zenosides and so I will pass it back over to hal
Because uh, this this bit's quite quite an interesting part of the law, but you need primarchs to really like sort it out
oh, just also on a last note if you are kind of new to warhammer the
The rediscovery of the primarchs happened so they weren't all found in like quick succession like oh no
It wasn't like a few days. They were over like many decades
They were all found like even some of the later ones kind of like a century into the great crusade
I think that's when the last ones were found. So it took a it took a while to let you know pokemon catch them all
um
But speaking of the imperium's great crusade, uh, it's big now the imperium is enormous
and
They've captured many stars purged many xenos eldar unfortunately
um many some craft wars have uh, you know bit the dust very sad and
the imperium has expanded to you know, a
humongous level but
despite that the
There was a war called the rangdan zenosides, which was
Happened in uh 839 m30 to 890. So it took quite a while to get this war finished
and this was
probably the
toughest enemy the
Imperium had to fight and this is with its mostly full strength as well. So the rangda were like a
advanced xenos species who
As I've already kind of matched almost the imperium's might
And the rangda used slave armies of other intelligent xenos species. So they were pretty
like rough these guys and they even had
uh some known as the slore which still exists to the modern timeline and these known as the maggot men
who like would like devour people and stuff so they had
even like a
Like a species that powerful they had that like slave collared to their will
and
Uh, it's actually kind of theorized that this might be some like lovecraftian god's influence here like to the level of power that these
rangdan or rangda had and the war of the rangda or the rangdan zenosides was
apocalyptic it was
nearly every legion
Was represented at some point during this battle and it cost millions upon millions of lives and over 80 000 space marines
Did not make it towards the end. They were slain or at some point. I reckon maybe
At they were attempted to like
Slave the space marines they rangda so there might have been some tomfoolery shall we say
and
This had a massive shift in the power balance of the legions in the great crusade
So the previous first legion lionel johnson's legion
They were no longer the most numerous out of all the legions as they were, you know, the first legions. They usually had
the most uh amount of space before but
uh amount of space before but this
Just changed it drastically to where like the ultramarines were now actually the most
Numerous, I think colin does it like 250 000 like at the height of the
Ultramarines, uh power. I don't know if i believe it's I believe it's something like that
I also have that number in my head. So you're not pulling it out of nowhere
It's it's like them and the lunar wolves are in the 200 plus that's yeah
It was enormous and a whole lot of actually
a lot of smurfs and
this war was
Devastating and actually required the emperor to personally intervene
towards the end of it to kind of finish it and
Another event sort of that happened within the great crusade was around the same time of the rangda and xenocides
That two of the primarchs the second and the 11th were expunged from the annals of imperial history
And these are often referred to as the lost and the damned
There's obviously a heavy amount of speculation about what happened
to these particular primarchs. They are very much
like
Completely mysterious. We only get like snippets of them from the law and even the memories of these primarchs were partially white from the
the uh, still existing primarchs minds they can kind of recall like the the fulcrum common column where like he
Could recall what he was like, but then
Like some of them had their names
Um like whites from some memories like even their statues that were on terror
They were destroyed they they didn't go. Oh, we're just gonna wipe everyone's memory
They're like we're gonna wipe everyone and we're gonna leave like a show of they used to be here
Like why not just get the statue plimps out the way as well and then you could really forget them
It seems a bit weird to just be like a bit of a troll and go
We've still got the plimps here. Like why?
It's like is it um, I think gilliman does he say like
in the 40th millennium when they are creating the primaris he says to uh call like
Don't touch their gene seed. It's like there's nothing wrong with their genes
He like calls says in response, but he's like no these two failed
so they're in like they
even the way like they talk about the traitor primarchs that they like betrayed but
But gilliman states that those two primarchs failed in some way and yeah, and there's even that bit where um,
Horus alpharius and jagatai, I think are having a chat there
And then it leads to malcador like force choking horus and it's like oh no, don't mention them. It's really bad
yeah, and
as I think at most we can get I think horus tries to whisper one of their names and like malcador just like
Like no like woke eyes and there's a guy's not today sonny boy
and of malcador being the advisor of the emperor and a very powerful psycho if you're new to warhammer and
there's also a slight bit of information where they
It was I think during
Uh was upon terror in the vaults under the imperial palace, which are guarded by the custodians themselves
There's a certain prisoner called subject 11
and apparently that this is uh
Like some hints that this might be either a primarch or maybe like the body of a dead primarch
we're not really a hundred percent sure but
So this point during the great crusade, it's very much like oh there's a you know
there was 20 and now there's 18 and like two whole legions are gone and
Again, it's not quite the grim dark future yet. So it's not all
doom and gloom, but it's still a bit of a
uh
that there's some showing of how the emperor operates and how he's very much like a
Oh that the stain couldn't exist
and
But the great crusade was not fully hampered there after the rangdans in the sides. In fact
Someone would start to be more ascendant and i'll talk also hand it over to annie to talk about
The next stage of the great crusade and the rise of horus
Well at this point as you mentioned, um some some of the uh
The pedigrees of certain legions have waxed and waned because of the rangda like for example the dark angels were
The first legion and they had the best toys
They had the biggest guns and because they were sent into into the rangda's zenosides and it's like such hazardous place
They got completely broken down, especially when you consider for a while. They didn't have their prime arc
The horus has been there from the beginning. Uh, he's always more if you think of the timeline of the lunar wolves
Pretty much the entirety of their service with a slight bit at the beginning. He's been there
So they've always been in their prime and by uh, the dawn of the 31st millennium. So
You know the imperium is doing quite well. We've got rid of the rangda. Yay. We've got all our prime arcs. Yay. Oh, what's that?
and um
unfortunately because of all possibly because of all the the the extermination that the uh imperium has been doing
across the stars
some of the civilizations keeping back a certain zenos race have uh,
Not been there to stem the tide
And at this point the ulunor crusade is is launched at 000.M31 where the orc zenos
Have exploded in populace. Now we're talking about the single largest orc wave of you know
Virulent levels of armies the galaxy has ever seen like there's never been this many orcs ever
in imperial records
and it takes every single legion millions and millions of
imperial guardsmen
countless fleets of navy ships and auxilia to combat the threat
but
primarily
All the legions are pushing the orcs back to wherever they came from and eventually they cornered them at the ulunor system
Primarily the ultramarines and white scars
start, uh, you know clipping the wings of the orcs
uh in the ulunor system until they find that the
The primary location where their war boss urlac erg is located is on ulunor prime at this point
The emperor says right i've had enough of these orcs
Or a scavia lunar wolves will get eight million imperial army uh soldiers and we're just going to you know invade ulunor prime
Uh fun fact this is the planet that will one day be known as armageddon
armageddon
so
The emperor what with horus at his side?
invades
ulunor and
It's massive. We're talking. Yeah, like a hundred thousand to start. He's eight million imperial guardsmen
thousands of titans
and
It's a huge battle and eventually they they locate this uh, this kind of uh, I guess you would call it like a shrine or a tower
where urlac erg and his lieutenants are
Uh are basing their hq and so horus goes right i'm gonna end this he teleports with his justeran elite bodyguard onto the spire
and confronts urlac erg
uh with the aid of ezekiel abaddon in and the justeran he fights urlac erg he
Eventually cripples him so bad
He hefts him over his shoulder and chucks him over the edge of the ramparts of the tower
Until he just splatters on the ground at the base of it
Um, he finds all of his men other than uh abaddon are dead. Uh,
But the the battle has been won and the orcs have been completely routed and without their war boss. They completely
Panic and start, you know getting butchered by any of the lunar wolves still present on the system
now it takes about a year for the remaining, uh planets around ulunor to be um,
Um, should we say retaken by the imperium? So all the all the legions chip in and start retaking planets
The lunar wolves because they've won the main battle are going. Yeah, we did the most work
We've we've taken the most planets because why wouldn't they and as a show of um,
Recognition for their work the emperor says right we're gonna have a massive parade on ulunor
Uh, so the ulunor triumph is taken upon ulunor prime the adapters mechanic is like flatten
the entire area they they like
Basically just collect concrete bulldoze make it nice. They make a huge pavilion a huge
statue for the emperor and horus they make it really really over the top it's like
Uh, I think it's something like 500 kilometers of granite that they place out so they can have a gigantic parade like yeah
We're not going we're not going like small. We're gonna have a huge parade with every conceivable regiment every
Legion and a bunch of uh the all the primarchs are invited apart from the two that were you know sentient
But they don't count. Uh
sorry
So they they don't count
Then they don't count all of the primarchs were invited all 19 that were originally created
Yes, 19 of 21
Um, or is it 18 of 20? Wink wink? Um, but they're in the naughty corner. They're not land. Yeah
Uh, but to be fair some of the some of the primarchs are busy
They they already have previous engagement. They're like, sorry. Sorry dad. Uh me and my girlfriend shannon are going out tonight for dinner
Uh, we can't make it. Yeah
You you have the lion the lion lions
Well, that's why you never see it because it didn't go very well, um, so
So yeah, but but of the primarchs who can make it uh, Horus sanguineous mortarion magnus angron
Jagatai lorgar rogedorn full grim and also malcador and constantin valdor are there for the the big
The big gathering and they have a lovely time. Um, there's also some uh sisters of silence being represented
Some warlord titans and their legios because they were obviously very important killing
hundreds of thousands of orcs under their boots and
And all the respective legions for all of the primarchs who could attend
And some and some primarchs send like a small detachment to be like hey
Uh, we couldn't make it but here's like some of my men as a show of you know contrition
um the fact that they all sit on one square is is probably like the
It's like literally having every celebrity in like the world on like one square. You kind of go wow
That's the most expensive square technically on in the entire universe
I I do like the idea that though again like the first thing the emperor did was like right
we're gonna have a big and just he just like
All dozed the entire planet and just got like we need like a lot of concrete just I know it's in one of the books
What they mention about
the the proceedings and like the gargantuan scale of like the mechanicum just
Flattening the landscape and pouring concrete and making all these elaborate statues and everything
It's like oh, that's quite impressive. And again, this is peak imperium
This is when they have they have basically overcome the last hurdle for them
easily dominating the galaxy
um and for for horus's work, uh in killing urlac erg in his legion being the legion that that toppled the great menace to humanity
the emperor
Bequeaths him a title
He calls him the warmaster of the imperium and he also asks horus to rename his legion
Not as the lunar walls, but the sons of horus now horus initially doesn't want to do this because he doesn't want he's he's not
Too egotistical. He's like, ah, it's a bit cringe, but he's like, oh and eventually he relents and
when they do they repaint their armor from pearlescent white to this kind of
deep sea green
Some people also yeah
Some people also reckon maybe it's like a kind of it's like a slight against the orcs like hey
It's the same like shade as all those orcs. We like maimed like cool. Just just putting the salt in the wound
um
But as as warmaster
Uh horus has ascended as the first among equals. He is the most important primarch bar none. He has
you know
Boundless glory and respect cast onto him and to be fair to horus at this point. He is a little bit shy about it
He's like, oh my my brothers are all great
I'm a charismatic guy, but I don't want to be
In I don't want to see them as inferior to me
Fair enough, but again the emperor has uh, the emperor has something important to do
Um in the back rooms, he is working on a very very secret project called the webway project
And he doesn't want anyone to know about it because it's very need to know
It's very very you know
hush hush and it's very important because it's going to allow the last hurdle for humanity to be overcome which is
Interstellar travel through the eldar webway
So he doesn't tell anyone not even his primarchs and he says to horus right warmaster
Great work with ulunor. I'm going home and he goes back to holy terror
He takes his men he takes his custodians and he says your job is now to lead the rest of your brothers to finish the great crusade
I know you'll do well
Kisses them on the cheek. He says bye. Bye. I'm going back to terror and uh, that's basically the ulunor crusade and triumph
So, uh, is there anything you wanted to add hal?
I thought my favorite part of this is
when they're like, you know thousands and millions of like thousands of um
Space marines and like millions of mortal men that they're all in the parade ground
There's a part where like the emperor sits on like a throne
He's like all the tvs and like they all look at him and literally everybody just starts weeping
Like even the space marines like they have that stoic face a bit like he's the most beautiful. He's like he's like a mc rib
Like you're not drunk. You know that meme. I can't remember what cartoon it is, but it's just like there's only one cool guy
And he's got like the wing mirror and he looks oh, yeah, it's from uh, the group adventures of billy and mandy. Yeah. Yeah that one
Yeah, he's literally the most like he's like, um, he's like fast food when you're drunk essentially
But that's the way it is isn't there it's like oh, he's so great and then he's like i'm off what?
I followed everyone a little bit
It's uh
It also has probably the most recognizable art piece about the prime marks
Uh, which you've probably seen it's where nine of them are standing on that balcony that must be made out of the strongest metal the
Imperial mass because nine prime
Can I make a slight critique of that art piece by all means?
Why does angron look like a goblin? It's weird. He's just like
Little guy and like you got like these very tall primarchs and he's just there and he looks kind of small and weird
He was known to be short, wasn't he? Well like wolverine like
Anger was like hunched wasn't he slightly? Oh, yeah
He's uh, he's got his left hand on the rail like gripping it and breaking it. Yeah
He's just there like
Like yeah
Looking at him like what weird I also a bit of criticism also for that art piece
Not even criticism just some I want to point out
Half of those columns and like the railing is full of cracks
Like whatever they used for this grant it was clearly gotten on the cheap
Hmm
To be honest, imagine that foreman that must have been stressful like the emperor himself
I've got to build a pavilion in five days with 500 kilometers like
I'm not gonna be asleep this whole week. Right? Okay, roll up my sleeves
tough stuff tough job, uh with that being said though, should I take it to the next part of the
council of nikea so
the
Next uh, so this is in the timeline where we're about two centuries in the great the imperium is now the
Preeminent power in the galaxy
Worlds upon worlds have been conquered xenos have been purged
And I think that's the most important part of the
xenos have been purged and I think they said that this I might be incorrect here, but I think they make a quote about
I think they're about 250 000 worlds in the imperium at this point. There's kind of I heard that somewhere
But that's like the kind of level they're at obviously the 41st millennium. They said like a million worlds. So yeah, the premium does grow
Who knows? I mean if anyone wants to you know critique that they can go and count them themselves, I suppose
Yeah, every world go how many of them are named like terror terror one terror two like yeah
Yeah, it was like just like this planet is called six five nine eight four one f two and you're like, oh, that's that's wordy brilliant
diet terror
I'm sure it's on the way terror light but um
so
The imperium is enormous and it's you know, been two centuries of non-stop conquering war
and the pace kind of slows down where like
Everyone I think even jagatai like says in his own book
He says I think everyone knows now that the pace of conquest is slowing down. It's kind of the last remnants
Yeah, he gets a bit like oh what what am I gonna do?
Uh, it's nothing else to do
but funny enough trouble does find its way find its way to the imperium and
Only a few short years after the ascension of warmaster horus
There is
There's been a growing tension within the imperium and that's the question around the use of psychic abilities, which is
using the powers of the war
and this all comes to a head in the council of nikea which actually happens on the world of nikea funny enough and
Actually, very cool was like this like hollowed out. Um volcano and that the roof is like all glistening and it's like shiny and
the council of nikea
Is a the emperor actually comes back from terra fine
If he goes i'm off the terror boys and then he comes immediately back like a few short years later
He's like, all right, let's do this council
Like they're all squabbling. He's like I leave for 10 minutes. You can't be friends. Come on
Hmm it just it didn't take long and this uh council
um is well, it's kind of also known as the
the trial of the thousand suns or magnus the reds legion and
Magnus the reds legion that they were tongue-twist there and um
this was a
massive like conclave where
like most of the primarchs and many of the legions kind of like on illinois they have representatives come to discuss the use of
psychic abilities continuing within the
librarians, which are the
legions themselves like the
space marines who are psychically gifted and
this was essentially a
verses of two sides, so this was a
Gathering of what was magnus jagatai khan and sanguineous who previously like they had figured this was coming
And so they penned something called like a lot of the librarians code which was like a doctrine of
um kind of more a more message use of
of psychic abilities
within the legions because they knew like
The unrestricted use of it now was yeah not going to last
I mean there were already people like rogueldawn who weren't they weren't um, like savagely against it
but they were like I don't trust it and
Jagatai his legion was very conservative with their use of the warp a thousand suns were
Egregious to a lot of extents from the the perspective of other legions of how much they used it and the blood angels were kind of in the middle
So they said right well
We'll draft this outline kind of like the codex astarte for psyches
And i'll be like here's what you're allowed to do because we know something bad's going to happen and to be fair
one of the reasons why the the council happened is because
The space walls and thousand suns were doing a compliance together
And then one of the astartes and the thousand suns started mutating into the flesh change
And then several more started transforming into monsters and then leman ross like capped them and it was like
What is that?
What is magnus? What is that thing? And you know?
Lorgar's there in between them like going guys stop fighting stop fighting and you know
It reminds me exactly that video where there's like
The guy goes
They're like arguing on a lawn and the guy goes daddy chill and the guy goes what even the hell is that?
Oh my gosh, what nice that one. I like to
Okay, so you know ever always like they talk about how
Like a big of an issue and a trauma was to the thousand suns and you know to be fair
Especially for magnus watching your kid turn into that probably a bit bit of a downer
But imagine be like just the space wall for the word bearers is like, you know
You're fighting alongside the thousand suns and then he turns into that apropos of nothing
What in the name of god is not just that?
It's just one of them turns and then the others start to follow suit and they're like we've got to stop this
This is a bit. This is a bigger problem than the people were fighting. Yeah, it's like you just look at the monsters
just for reference for if you're new to warhammer the flesh change is
uh
like it's a
problem like a genetic defect where like it's
kind of related to the
use of psychic powers and essentially the
Marines like skin and body will sense like bubble up inside like they'll explode into like a massive
Just like mutated flesh nation. Yeah
Yeah, look up a chaos spawn be it the model or the total warhammer dark tide any of those
Is that they turn into that?
And uh, oh gee i was gonna say on the last section. I forgot to ask. Um
I was gonna ask everyone who they their pick for war master would have been like if I start with uh you colin
uh colin who do you think should have been war master gillenman? Why is that because
He's the he's the administrative guy. I know some of his friends like some of the primarchs
Are the biggest fans of him? You don't need to like the general in charge for him to be the best at the job like, okay
cool
Your brother doesn't like you you you're the guy in charge. He's supposed to listen anyways. I'm sorry. This is a
Guy that's right. I'm sorry. Like i'm sorry. It's a military and not your fret club
But you know, sometimes you got to listen to the guy you don't like
What about you a eli who would you have picked? I think probably gillenman as well
I think that makes sense because I don't know. I like jagged side, but he's too independent
Fulgur's too arrogant
Rogal dawn is too stoic
Prettriam was too jerky
They mentioned about like when horace was appointed rogel was a really good confidant because again
He would actually work with horace and be like, ah, I see a problem and he was so kind of calm and he supported him
He wasn't resentful
He was like that that cold water to the fire to the fire of like a forge where he was like
I can count on rogel to to advise me
Which is quite but he but he also said I think himself that he wouldn't be the optimal
uh choice for war master because he was too
He's too much of a brick wall. Like he would he would just not suit the bill. Yeah
Um, I know sanguineous is a contentious like possibly point but again, he's a bit too soft
Uh perderabo's too harsh
Ferris manas is too too savage and how he fights and the line I think the line would be a good choice, but
He would have to like if horace and dawn worked together. I think if you had the lion and gillenman together that might have worked
I think gillenman would have been the best choice. He has no glaring downsides or everyone else has big downsides
I
Think uh, in my opinion, I think the lion it should have been like what they did in imperium secundus in a way where like
One of them is ascendant and then he has two advisors
So yeah one of them is his like his war master and then one of them is his like
Builder like how gillenman or even if that's the thing you could have a war master
But you could also have an accountancy master and that's gillenman. Yeah, I would say like there's uh,
It's that they want to you know, complete the roman
Uh influence. I think it was consuls. I think it was consul. I can't remember the specific name though
So if i'm wrong, it's not consul
But it's what it was was like, you know, one guy was in charge of the military aspects of rome
One guy was in charge of uh, you know at home during the time early time the republic
Co-emperors in there as well that co-emperors that yeah that too later on when the empire was a bit too big to sustain itself
although and it's uh
Granted this is 10 000 years later and gillenman's had time to
Grow a bit as a person but you know, the dominus crusade he did pretty well with that and that was just him
Imagine what he could have done with all of his brothers
oh
well, unfortunately coming back to what would be the
dividing action between the brothers
uh the council of nikea is
I don't want to say raging on because it's not like a is it a snooze fest to be honest it does like there's no war
People but there are speeches from two sides i was saying before so there was
uh magnus jagatai and sanguineous who are the
Most vehement supporters and those who were against were lemann russ mortari and and representatives from like many other different
Uh, I think of course didn't want to either. Yeah, they're like representatives from like different places
In fact, actually I have a list here just of like how they all
voted essentially so
lineal johnson, uh first legion he didn't refavor anyone I think because he probably
Saw it as a tool. He he used psykers in his legion, but he yeah didn't think that strong
He wouldn't base strategy of them all the time full grim
Um, he was okay with it. But again third legion didn't really use psykers that much
perturabo
um
against it, uh probably saw them as weak or again, you know iron within iron without
Using some other ability probably didn't match up with him
Uh, jagatai khan obviously vehement supporter
Uh lemann russ hated it. He thought was weakness and it was all unclean because it wasn't
Uh magic that went through the cleansing quote unquote the cleansing
Uh ritual of coming from fenris. So, you know
Good old lemann russ there at the end of it for hypocrite
dawn uh
Didn't really favor the use of it. I think again
Imperial fist didn't really see it as reliable. They're more of a stoic type. So it wouldn't really yeah
They didn't like them, but they weren't super in they weren't into it, but they weren't like preaching
They were just like we don't think it's a good idea. They wouldn't use it in their legion, but they don't they didn't care about others
Really? Um conrad curse, uh, he was pro psyker. Um, I'm guessing that's probably because he was somewhat of a
prescient man himself
Um sanguineous obviously pro psyker ferris
Um first again, he's kind of a hard head. He kind of he was against the use of psykers, but
Not strongly. He was just like ah, it's a weakness. It's hard to head about someone when you're doing all that thinking, you know
It's someone else's thing. It ruins the concentration
Angaron, uh
Hated it, you know angaron's dislike and so the world eaters dislike of psykers was pretty well known and strong
gilliman
Didn't mind in the middle really
Mortarion hated it. Obviously his childhood is
Trauma from psykers. Yeah, we're current hated it
uh magnus obviously the most strongest, uh
Proponent of psycho users, you know the sorcerer king bathed in psychic abilities
Horace, um
He was horace was warmaster at this time
So it's kind of he didn't want to be seen as like favoring any psyches because he's doing the vote
He had to relator. He had like, um a relationship to maintain with his brothers
So he kind of but they tried to recruit him early on many other
Sides like before the council came but then once he was warmaster, he couldn't pick a side
You know just as a as a warmaster couldn't lorgar was pro psyker not strong not said to be strongly so
um vulcan pro psyker
Not sure why
Vulcan's pretty like oh, you know if it makes them happy they have like the promethean cult on nocturne
Which is kind of similar like oh we we we follow the imperial truth, but we have spiritualism and
They're kind of flim flammy
korax was
more in favor of just
um the actual trial of the thousand sons and magnus for them like stepping over the blurred lines of psychic use and
Alpharius supported the use of psykers, but was it even really alpharius?
who knows and
The council nikea itself was in like a massive like coliseum, which obviously is quite appropriate
And the two sides gave their speeches
um, there was a part where the
Uh rune priest othia weird make yep weird name
as weird make but um, he actually was previous like a friend of azek ariman the
first
Uh captain of the thousand sons and he kind of betrayed their trust
And like yeah leman was like be friends with him so you can like spy on them
Yeah, so they kind of told them of how like the thousand sons do like weird abilities and they commune with like so-called
The spirits of the warp and it was like oh, it's not looking good
But then your main man magnus the red steps up and he gives a a rallying speech that
speaks to the future and how we shouldn't fall to ignorance
and
He thinks he's doing really well. The crowd is like kind of
Flipped now and it's more on the pro-psychic side
until the emperor looks
into magnus
And gazes into his memories in his soul and he sees what magnus has done and magnus himself has been consorting with warp entities
He's been going beyond what the emperor told him he could
Explore within the warp. He told him the warp was dangerous
And at this point he's done a deal with singe to try and stop the the flesh change and singe when oh, oh, yeah
Although they don't know singe. They don't know well one of his subjects. Yeah, is it like uh, it's not kairos, but
It's one of the greater demons and and he's like i'll stop the flesh change t. He and then it's
only for a bit
but
this just
And then obviously as in many of the representatives from like psychos from the pro-psychic legions had come forth and then
once this happens
the emperor
Just sees that his sons cannot be trusted let alone how could the legions be trusted?
so the emperor declares the banning of psychic powers and the
Dissolvement of the librarians within the legions and
This just rocks all the pro-psychic. They all hate magnus a little bit after this like
Mortari and everyone's least favorite asthmatic does a little dance and yeah, yeah and
This again this changes the kind of how war of the great crusade will now be enacted as they can't use
psychic powers, but funny enough as magnus was leaving nikea in shame and just
Not happy with himself. He was struck with a vision and this was a vision of what was going to happen to his brother
Horus and i'll pass over to andy to tell him
Oh to tell us sorry exactly what happened to horus lupical
well, uh, so
During the the council of nikea several of the primarchs couldn't be present because they were doing their own thing like for example jagatai
Couldn't be there. So he sent targetai yusugei his like advisor for psychic stuff and horus was no different. He was currently
Uh doing a bit of compliance across the world across the galaxy and he happened upon a human
civilization known as the inter-x
uh, I believe it was and
There there, you know, uh, we we're kind of done a lot of our fighting. We'd we'd like to just bring humans into the fold without
Killing too many of them. So let's do some diplomacy
Uh, and the indirects are like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we'll have a chat. We'll have a chat
and at this time this is this is basically the events of the first couple of horus heresy books or the first horus heresy book and
You know horus is loved by the imperium. He's very charismatic his
lunar wolves are the the gold standard to which all the legions should aspire to
They've currently been fighting on this planet designated as what as murder by the estates where they're fighting these big bugs
And it's you know, the lunar wolves and the blood angels and all sorts
And during this time it's worth mentioning that the word bearers have already
Uh joined the forces of chaos in betraying the imperium. Lorgar has already gone through his pilgrimage and become a bit cringe and
uh as a as a as planting a seed of betrayal he asks his first chaplain arabus
To uh to be the advisor of his legion to accompany the war master during his compliances across the stars
now
during the meeting with the inter-ex uh arabus kind of saunters off and uh
He kind of steals something from their armory of ancient and weird and wonderful xenos artifacts and weapons
and he he takes their most
Most heavily guarded artifact known as the anaphame sword, which is this big kind of crystalline jet black sword
Um, and it's it looks very primitive, but it has obviously some kind of great power to it
and
Behind the scenes he uh, he is he kind of he escapes on this undetected the inter-ex go. Um
I know we're going through, you know a bit of a parlay right now, but um
There's there's something really important missing from our armory
Uh horus you wouldn't happen to know anything about that and horus at this point is going I didn't do anything. Well
armory
And yeah, the the the peace talks sour
Conflict arises and the lunar walls are slap bang in the middle while arabus starts uh
starts his uh
plotting behind the scenes
Now during all of this, uh
it's worth mentioning that horus had a very uh close relationship to a uh an agent of the imperial
administratum and uh
Military called eugen temba who at this point was a planetary governor and they got on well as well as a primarch and mortal human could be
getting along and
Erebus, you know goes to the planet of darvin which has been recently conquered by the war master and goes hey eugen
Is this really important thing? Keep keep an eye on it for me with you
and
I don't think it's mentioned exactly how this happens, but I guess through the influence of the anaphame dagger
Eugen becomes slowly enthralled by the plague god known as nurgle
And it doesn't take long until eugen becomes this bloated
necrotic
zombie
creature thing
Uh that is now in control of the entire darvin population and as such the planet completely rebels
There are zombie
Frawls in the streets eating people alive and at some point horus hears words that darvin has rejected the uh,
The imperial truth and they are rebelling
So he sends his lunar wolves to investigate he goes down on the planet goes what is going on? What are these zombies doing around here?
And eventually he figures out where the the power the source of the power is emanating and it's the
big
Administrative, you know palace they the seat of governance governance and he finds you the power of the
governance and he finds eugen temba completely transformed. There's a really cool piece of artwork
I'll put up on the edit where it's just you know eugen with the sword and he's all bloated and he's like missing his
Love his face and he's like yeah
and he goes oh
is he like a
fat bastard from uh austin powey's like get in my belly and
Pretty grim for some reason he reminds me more like um, like something you'd see from like left
Uh left for dead or something like a weird zombie special little special infected kind of thing. I will say the one
uh
I just final they did a remake of it at the recent zombie game. Uh, it's got like um
I'm gonna join a massive blank. It's
Oh, what's the name of the game? And it's like they have like um, it's the
Resident evil that's it and all right. Is that something from like resident evil?
Yeah, you could imagine this guy being like resident evil. That's like a weird special infected
But either way horus goes right. I guess i'll have to kill him. There's obviously something weird going on
It's no big deal. He's just he's just a corrupted baseline human. I just like swipe him with my lightning claws and this will be done
unfortunately, uh
During the killing blow he deals to eugen eugen drives the anapheme dagger straight into horus's shoulder
I believe it is and it goes really deep and it penetrates the skin it jabs into his arm and he goes oh
Oh, I'm a primarch. I've never felt pain like this before and he goes into a coma
And at this point, uh, the the advisors to the war master the morn of al which are like the elite
Uh gathering of advisors drawn from the captains of the the sons of horus legion. They're freaking out, you know abadons there garviel lokan
Like headless chickens a little bit. Yeah, they're like, oh god dad is dad is dad
Dad is down daddy's dying daddy's dying guys. What do we do?
Yeah, and they're like they go to they go to the ventral spirit
Like um, hey nerds and the apothecary dad's not waking up
What's the deal and the apothecaries are like i've never seen a wound like this before
I don't know why the germans like I have never seen a wound like this before in the primarch
He's not waking up no matter how many steroids I give him and um
again, I don't know why the accent and
all of a sudden, um
Erebus saunters in with a shit-eating grin and goes, um
Oh, horus is looking a bit, you know a bit a bit pale these days. Oh
Ah, it's a shame. We can't wake him up
Why does you remind me of the uh bit from family guy where they like he hits his shin he goes
Or is it his shin really bad out for the count
and
Basically, erbus goes. Have you tried everything and they're like yes, erbus
We don't like you but we've tried everything shut up go away and he goes
I might know one way
That we could we could sort out your prime arc and the light arc on teller says like
I don't think you want to know
Thing
It's like erbus come on
It's kind of against the imperial truth
He so got his hand like his fingers are laced behind his back and he's kind of like pivoting
On his foot doing that thing where he's like rubbing the the base of his foot left and right going
Shaking his head back and forth
Yeah, and that's the kind of way he would say
And eventually like I guess abaddon like points of bolter and goes like tell us all shut up and he goes, okay
Right, you know davin the planet where he was wounded. Um
Rumor is there's this uh
this uh this
serpent lodge on the moon above darvin, I believe it is
and there are these weird shaman people here and
I don't know about you. It's not like the apothecary is doing anything. This is probably the only other thing we could try
Let's go to the moon of darvin. Let's go to this weird temple
We already have warrior lodges that the word bearer is put in there to begin with but you know, it's fine
It's a it's a lodge. We all have lodges. You're part of a lodge. I'm part of a lodge. Yay religion. What nothing. Okay, come in
Let's let's get a shuttle. We'll go to the
How I always want how the hell do they lift horus like they'll get a crane or like they cough cough and dance him like into
Like the uh transport
heavy
the idea of um
Yeah, ezekiel and horus axaman doing the the the the cough and dance into the temple is quite good
Um, but yeah, they they get him there with a crane or something. I don't know
Um, so I dignify imagine that
Um, and yeah, they get they take him to the davonite shamans, you know
they've got these purple eyes and they're a bit weird like oh, I don't know about this guys and garve your lokin and um
Cool gadan who are members of the more of our like we're not no. That's
No, that's that's a bit sus bro. I'm not gonna i'm not gonna be party to this
and uh, they take him to the the shamans the shamans put him into a ritual and
during the ritual horus is kind of subsumed by the
The warp and within the roiling tides of the warp is confronted by the ruinous powers and they go. Oh
Hello, horus
I don't know about you. But um
We think your dad's a bit cringe and they show him all these uh, future portents these visions of a dystopian future where
you know, there's frongs of people doing hard labor under the lash of the whip and there's
Big statues of the emperor looking down on them and they're worshiping him as a god and there's all these
servitors everywhere and it's dystopian and there's clouds and terrible music in the background and horus goes
Oh, this is dreadful. You know, very grim dark. Some reason what the hell? Yeah, they're grim, you know, and uh,
He has no idea that he's basically the cause of all this and he goes
Oh, no, this is really bad and and magnus at this point kind of
Intervenes, I believe is like a wolf. He like projects himself as a weird wolf in this like forest of
Like this trip this bad trip that horrors is happening having and he's like, oh, there's a one-eyed wolf
That's weird and he's like horus don't do it. It's a trap. It's bad
And he goes, I don't know
Looks pretty bad for a future and it kind of makes sense and dad's not telling me what he's doing on terror
So I assume it's this is the this is what's gonna cause he's doing some weird thing on terror
That's gonna ruin the world and the galaxy as we know it. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna do what they say and
And they're the ruinous power's basically promise him. Hey, look you kill the Emperor
You can remold the galaxy in your image
You can take control will just be happy that the the anathema is gone and we can frithe and you can remill
We can remold the galaxy in your image and it'll be better. It'll be better. Yeah, cool
And so Horus wakes up and now he is the reborn
Primark the reborn war master of chaos Horus Lupercal and he will then go forth to plot
The the first opening stages of the the Horus heresy, but just before he can do that
Magnus the red reeling from this quick interaction. He's had goes damn. I've got a I've got a warm dad
I've got a warm dad. He projects his mind to holy terror. He tries to contact the Emperor gets to the palace
It's like spirit form gets to the Paris Palace and he goes like a wall here
I was a wall. They didn't used to be a big wall here like a psychic barrier
Oh well kicks the front door in with some with some help from his warp friends
Completely ruins the webway project that the Emperor has been doing in secret
The Emperor's not happy he goes. Oh god. What have you done? This is like the biggest most important thing I've ever done
That's ruined and there's demons everywhere and they're messing with the decor, right?
we're gonna have to go center the thousand suns and
Then that's basically setting the table for the Horus heresy where everything comes crashing down
With a plum unless there's anything I've missed house or anything you wanted to add. I just had like when the
Ridiculous image of like the of Chaos gods are like trying to corrupt Horus and he's go
Oh, we'll show you the Emperor's secret and it just pans like a video like the Emperor's like dressed up as a bean tuber
and he's like
Welcome back
It wasn't even me this time and it's like got cat ears on and Horus goes no this cannot be
The Emperor is selling his bath water on the on the webway, that's gross
Yeah, I said when the thing I will add is when Magnus breaks the
webway sort of psychic barrier and he rockets through the webway itself into the
portal that's underneath the Imperial Palace
When he appears in front of the Emperor, this is like Magnus' soul for if you're kind of new to Warhammer
He's projected his soul to help save
Horus and
That didn't work. So he again projected his soul across
The galaxy towards terror and when he appears in the throne like room, he's like a burning like effigy kind of
figure and the custodians and like
Imperial like, you know, the guardians of the Emperor they don't recognize him as like a primal they just think of him as an enemy
What is that?
Yeah
Magnus goes what have I done? He starts to hear like the screaming horde of the demons behind him. He's like
How the hell yeah Magnus
people don't know that he's very arrogant and he never could believe that he'd be tricked into doing something like this and
even he thought he could save Horus by like defying the Edict of Nikea and using his psychic powers to
Project himself to save Horus there. That's the Emperor's like what did I just say?
He didn't get to explain himself Magnus and then basically all the Emperor saw was wait
So you use your psychic powers against the Edict of Nikea and then just broke Magnus' body
To Nikea and then just broke my favorite toy and I know you've already been talking to like demons in the warp
Uh-oh, here we go. Kill him kill him. He's gone too far. Yeah, so heresy begins
That's all I'll say other than the comment of the Emperor being a Vtuber
What about Colin what's your uh thoughts slash opinions?
Uh Magnus did everything wrong
True, I've been trying to think of a
A way to keep that horrid train going, but I couldn't think of any apt comparisons for the Vtuber thing
uh
If the Emperor was a Vtuber, who would he be? I'm not answering that
No, that's pretty wise. I'm not answering that because my knowledge is
I'm not I'm I'm keeping I'm keeping that on lockdown for when Andy gives more bullshit quiz answer
questions
I like the idea that you're like amassing like
Like rounds of ammunition to be like when the moment is right
It's like what about the sleeping giant of America in World War II? I'm hoarding my weapons
What about you Eli though because you obviously you you've very much as supporter of the the idea of like the being
You know the false emperor death to the false emperor
Any who?
About Magnus in general? Or just like the corruption of Horus maybe even the Great Crusade
I oh well Magnus was wrong. I'll say that Magnus deserves way more hate in the community. Everyone's taking on Perturabo and Fulgrim and
He's fucking making with the Mortarion over here. Like what the heck?
I can agree with Fulgrim needs less hate. I think Perturabo is quite quite at a comfortable level
Yeah, he did kill his daughter his like sister figure as well
It's kind of hard to empathize with you anymore. He is definitely a psychopath, but he's cool
There is one thing about Magnus and the emperor specifically that always bugs me
Which is that like like he tore open a hole in the webway thing, right?
Like that's you know, that's why the emperor was not very happy with Magnus that and the whole sorcery thing he used to get there
Would it have been that hard?
For the emperor just look at the other end. It's like the hole's already been ripped open
You can't put the wall back up. You might as well peek outside
And see if Magnus is right like surely that's something that's at least I mean worth looking into
I know this is an analogy
But I imagine if like you had like a son and you were like doing a project in the study and all of a sudden
He crashes through the room and then like there's water leaking through like a lot of water
Like I would the first thing I'd be doing like plug the hole plug the hole get out so I can plug the hole light
And the hole is not water like the hole is demons
the hole is demons it's demons eating people and like
Like I think that would be like all of my cognitive powers like plug the hole plug the hole
There's like a billion people under the planet. Oh, no plug the hole. It's dangerous
I guess that's fair
But the news my son brings to me in this case is my other son is trying to kill me
I feel like that's at least worth
Slightly more than send my third son to go deal with the second son
I feel like that's worth an intervention
The thing is the emperor did did say
Lehman bring him to terror we need to like put him on trial so he can explain himself
It's only because of Horus that they get slaughtered. So I mean in a way that is what I mean
It's just like did my thing is like
Sure, if Magnus can psychically project himself surely the emperor can too
Why didn't he just do that and like have a little like peek like oh this is going on a horse
Or what the emperor what did magnus find let me read his mind because I'm the emperor
The emperor couldn't leave the golden throne because he didn't need to leave
Just a psychic projection
No, no, because once the webway was burst he sits on the golden throne and uses his psychic power to hold back the tides of
D. Yeah, you could just like push him back could have spared just a little bit of energy to just go look
I mean
We wouldn't have the horrors heresy that yeah, I know we would
I
My assumption is that it's probably like if I if I
Like try to also contact magnus something might slip through and then oh no
We've now got like demons across the planet and then maybe some of my custodians will get killed and maybe loads of pop
Now I gotta I gotta commit
Fully so we can bring magnus here. So it's just like okay
I'm halt like like one hand on like the burst seem like okay
Now explain yourself. Just like leaning against the wall where the puncture is like, okay
While i'm doing this tell me why you did this and maybe you can help me like seal it forever with both of our power combined
in like proximity
But again, like we'll never know
I think it's simply more of the emperor being incapable of coming down from his high horse
And allowing anyone else to pick up the slack
True
True is it uh, i'm dialing my inquisitor right now. I'm zero zero zero
Death to the false emperor
Is it a one more thing before you go ahead
What's everyone's favorite minor xenos civilization that the imperium fought against?
Oh, yeah, oh, duh
All right
That's just being spirited
Oh, man, that's his favorite though. So that's one positive i'd say the uh,
Probably the slaw the the maggot men because they're pretty terrifying
Like they just devour like people's brains and then they just like they look at you like hungry and they just like
Skitter over to you and they literally just like suck you up
That's why one of the primarchs was um was banished just because he kissed one on the lips
Oops
I quite like the uh the rangda
uh partially because I like the idea of just
Like it makes it always makes the universe feel more full
When there's another like big player on the block, like obviously they were destroyed and defeated
But just like just the xeno civilization like they're not related to
Really anything they're just here. You know, I like when it's as a sci-fi universe
I like that they're a neutral faction. They're just
Then maybe not even neutral but just like they're just these xenos that are large and in charge
It took three wars to kill them down
And that's also why because they're very uh, they're in a way they're like the carthage of 40k, which doesn't have too much
inspiration in 40k, but you know, that's like there's a there was three punic wars
three wars to defeat the rangdan
Uh the slaves that the rang did use kind of similar to carthage employing mercenaries against rome
I quite like them
I never saw it that way. That's quite interesting
Quite quite like my rangda
Hopefully they'll make a book about it or they'll do more. I doubt they will but that would have been cool
I never know. I mean how many times were the thunder warriors killed off for real and then they kept showing up from our elves
True
I haven't even read the uh, uh the book about the last few survivors. I think you have andy which one's that one?
It's called is that the um, is that the lot? Uh, not the last one the dam. That's the uh, the there's something dead the um
Outcast dead. Yeah, how come it's not it's a cool book. It's like a yeah thunder warrior crime
Lord, I would say like there's there's him
I know there's like there was a group of them on some prison planet the world leaders had to deal with
And then there was one in the I know we're jumping ahead a bit
A bit of a spoiler for the siege of terror
But there was one that saved the custodians and the custodian was like, what are you doing here?
Damn that's cool
Oh, yeah, didn't you kill him off?
Everyone is here. Everyone is here. Yeah, even the thunder warriors with their like
Non-healable cancers. Oh, no
No, the uh thunder warrior after as well, I think he did but I think the thunder warrior also might have requested it
It's like mercy. Yeah, probably like partially. I think it might have been some stupid honor
My time has passed
And some of it also might have been the horrible rampaging cancer that the man's body was
Probably 40 tumor by that point
That's an image
Um, I know um, the one in the the book is like trying to find a cure and I think he manages it and then he's never
Been brought up in the universe again. Like where is he? He's really interesting as a character. Oh, well
Yes, we'll never know. He's not a space marine
He's not a lot of main character energy
um with that being said though, that was a
General overview of like kind of the main highlights of the great crusade. We will be going through
the events more
Legion specific in the coming timeline videos. So we didn't neglect them. Don't worry, but they'll obviously
There's a lot to talk about because obviously every legion was doing something. So we're having a dedicated videos to
That and the emperor definitely watches pippa
There I got it
Going at the end
Um with that being said though, thank you so much for listening and watching. Um
Um, hopefully that was useful if you're new to walhama and hopefully that was a nice kind of
uh deep dive into the
General setting maybe you didn't know that if you were into walham already
and
yeah, with that being said, thank you so much for listening and watching and
Hopefully we'll catch you on the uh, next one. I think we might be doing some uh,
We might be doing some chapters or legions. We haven't quite decided yet, but we'll
Obviously, it'll be sounding spicy and uh with that being said
Uh catch you all next time. Take care everyone
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