1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,600 Alright, buddy, let me give you an impression of a space marine when someone dies. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,080 My life sucks, the universe bad, can you imagine? 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:37,000 I'm a bad old brother and this dude I knew for two minutes died but I'm sad because the Imperial sucks and wha? 4 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,560 Hello and welcome to the first ever versus episode of Lore Crimes. 5 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:50,920 Today in the gladiatorial pits we have Colin and Andy fighting to the death over their respective topics of Spartan IIs versus Space Marines. 6 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,880 Hal and myself will be judging this battle. 7 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Let's hear a little bit from Hal. 8 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:02,880 Well boys, I want it clean. Actually I do want insults, let's be honest. 9 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,800 We'll see who is victorious, who has the best arguments, who has the best jokes. 10 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:14,480 I say shake hands but there'll be no love lost hopefully on this one. 11 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,920 We'll be starting off in round one with Colin. 12 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,960 Colin you'll be, let's say, leading as we go in the courtroom here. Order, order in the courtroom. 13 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,200 Yes, Your Honor. 14 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,120 Are you ready Colin? 15 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,200 I am ready to go. 16 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:34,240 Alrighty then, your time begins now. 17 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:43,000 Ah, so it's time for me to explain why the Spartan IIs are far superior to the Adeptus cringe-star-ties. 18 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:53,160 The Spartan IIs, for those who are not familiar, are similar to Space Marines, child super soldiers, which is something I feel like people forget about the Marines, they're child soldiers. 19 00:01:53,160 --> 00:02:02,920 Same with the Spartans, created by the UNSC's Office of Naval Intelligence and the project was helmed by one Dr. Catherine Halsey. 20 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:18,040 They were unmatched combatants in the war against the Covenant, turning the tide decisively against the Covenant and earning many victories and ensuring that if the battle they were part of was a loss, it was a Pyrrhic victory for the Covenant. 21 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:27,160 Millions were killed by the results of the Spartan IIs alone and they were even referred to as demons by the Covenant, showing that these people kick ass. 22 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:38,840 They were one of the few things that gave hope to humanity in the final years of the war once their existence was declassified and it is no exaggeration to say that entire armies were destroyed by Spartans alone. 23 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:44,360 For some general, what they can do, what are they all about? 24 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,600 There are augmentations, because they are also super soldiers, genetically modified. 25 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:56,280 Material is crafted to their bones to basically make their bones unbreakable, so you go to punch a Spartan and it just doesn't work. 26 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:01,880 You can take a sledgehammer to their knees and they're just going to kick you to death when you're done going to town on them. 27 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,320 You can't break these fellas. 28 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,920 Muscular enhancements not only increase strength but decrease electric recovery time. 29 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:14,760 So not only are they stronger, but they recover from being tired quicker. 30 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:20,120 Not that that's saying much because they can go for days on days on days without slowing down, getting tired. 31 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:34,120 Thyroid enhancement make these fellas taller, massively increase visual perceptiveness, and not only are the reactive times fantastic, but there's reports that it increases their intelligence and memory as well. 32 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,520 So it's not just physical, their minds get sharper as well. 33 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:45,080 And an AI neuro port, which is something that simply is inarguably in favor of the Spartans. 34 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,000 UNSC has AIs, Imperium Stoopid doesn't know what those are, doesn't like them. 35 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,600 Big L for the Imperium. 36 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:56,200 UNSC, they know that the portable VTubers are a crucial asset to the great. 37 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,720 Oh my gosh. 38 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,920 Abilities, fast as hell. 39 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,120 On average, they're running at 34 miles an hour. 40 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,120 Spartan Kelly averages at 38. 41 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,400 And Master Chief briefly managed speed of 65.2 miles an hour. 42 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:17,320 Which means the Master Chief is highway legal when you want speed. 43 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:23,880 And this was in Mjolnir Mark V armor, which is not what his latest armor is. 44 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,840 Strength, Spartan Adriana once used a mongoose as a hammer. 45 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:32,040 A mongoose, just imagine an ATV. 46 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,360 Imagine someone picking one of those up and then hammering you into the ground like a 47 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,520 game of whack-a-mole. 48 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,680 That's what Spartans are rocking. 49 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:46,880 And it is of note that their initial measurement is, their strength is roughly three times 50 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,880 their body weight is their lifting strength. 51 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,800 You might go, that doesn't sound too strong. 52 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,040 This is when they were 14, because the augmentations were given to them as children. 53 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:01,160 And it is expected, and indeed did, only become an even larger, like they can lift this much 54 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,520 relative to their body weight as they grew. 55 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,520 And them flipping warthogs and other vehicles is canonically possible. 56 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,360 So when you tip over your warthog in Halo 3, because you don't know how to drive, like 57 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,920 I don't know how to drive in that game, flipping it, that's canon. 58 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Although the tanks are just for, might be a little bit of an exaggeration. 59 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,680 They can lift tanks, maybe not flip them. 60 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:30,640 Reactions, roughly 300 times increase from normal human reaction speeds. 61 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,680 Again, though, this is at age 14. 62 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:39,240 There's a really cool bit in one of the novels where the Master Chief, John 117, he was training 63 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:44,400 after he got the augmentations and he dropped a set of weights and they fell in slow motion 64 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,400 to him. 65 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,040 And in his head he was like, why is this happening? 66 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,580 So he broke out, like he just started doing math on the spot and he was like, what is 67 00:05:51,580 --> 00:05:52,680 wrong with this place? 68 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,200 Why is all the equipment in this gym screwed up? 69 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,280 And he did the math, he's like, no, this is falling at normal speeds. 70 00:05:58,280 --> 00:06:00,080 Everything is as it should be. 71 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:07,280 He just realized that he was so much more superhuman now that everything seemed like 72 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:08,320 it was in slow motion. 73 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,880 It seemed far weaker than it should be. 74 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,720 And then he beat four ODSTs to death because they tried to jump them. 75 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,880 And then that didn't work. 76 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:23,920 And for some more misc stuff, Spartan III, June, I know this is about twos, but do hear 77 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,800 me out, fell from atmosphere. 78 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:32,000 Or no, he was exposed to the vacuum of space for several minutes with no helmet, kind of 79 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,320 like Gilliman. 80 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,760 And when he was returned to the space station, he'd had zero lasting consequences. 81 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,680 Though he was unconscious by the time they brought him in. 82 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,240 And I know this is about the Spartan twos, but the point I'm trying to make is Spartan 83 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,400 threes are pretty much worse off to the Spartan twos in terms of their augmentations in every 84 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:50,400 way. 85 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,320 So if a three can do it, the twos can most certainly survive for at least some amount 86 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,920 of time in space without protection. 87 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:04,120 Just really quick, I know this is on a bit of a timer, so I'll try and speed through. 88 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,080 Mjolnir Army, Mark VI is what I'm using for this. 89 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,440 The armor of the Spartans, quite iconic, I might say. 90 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,380 It's a thousand pounds with the Spartans in it, not counting any equipment. 91 00:07:13,380 --> 00:07:18,240 So if a Spartan like runs at you at full speed, remember Master Chief bulldozing at 60 miles 92 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,720 an hour down the freeway, that is a thousand pounds of weight barreling into you. 93 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,080 You are going to be a red stain, Mr. Astartes. 94 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,900 Knock knock. 95 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:34,040 Energy shielding, they've got a rechargeable energy shield because Spartans, you kind of 96 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,040 want those alive. 97 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,880 There's only so many of them. 98 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:42,040 Titanium alloy for their armor, which pretty much renders them immune to small fire even 99 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,920 without their energy shield. 100 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,740 And it can even prevent plasma blasts from just obliterating them. 101 00:07:47,740 --> 00:07:52,160 Usually in Warhammer and Halo, getting hit by plasma kills you. 102 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,040 Spartans can power through it, assuming it's not like a wraith or a scarab blast. 103 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,520 That's that's still deadly. 104 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:58,520 Order in the courtroom. 105 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,680 That is all the time we have for round one. 106 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,680 Great. 107 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:03,720 I will resume later. 108 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,880 Not too bad. 109 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,960 Strong start, strong start. 110 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,240 Now we hand over to Andy for his rebuscle, shall we say. 111 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,880 Andy, are you ready? 112 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,760 I'm more than ready for this. 113 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:16,760 Oh, Lord. 114 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,120 Crack's Knuckles, your time begins now. 115 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,960 Your honor, it's very cute to say all the Spartans were raised as children. 116 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,640 All great super soldiers are raised as children and the Astartes are no exception. 117 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:35,600 They are raised from the smallest little child to become dominant gods among men. 118 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,560 These people are not brothers in arms of family members. 119 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:39,600 They are brothers. 120 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,620 They are a brotherhood of death and destruction. 121 00:08:42,620 --> 00:08:46,920 A Spartan can turn the tide of a world that's start. 122 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,200 The enemies of the space marine can turn the tide of the galaxy because it was they alone 123 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:57,600 who tilted the balance of power for all humanity, not just the Xenos race called the Covenant. 124 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,200 They can they can destroy entire worlds with just a squad of 10 marines. 125 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,760 You want to talk about how strong an ultramarine, for example, is. 126 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,680 They have not just the augmenting augmented bones similar to a Spartan. 127 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:11,680 They have extra organs. 128 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:15,080 Wow, Master Chief, that sprint you took must have taken a lot out of you. 129 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,080 Too bad you don't have three lungs. 130 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,280 Oh, what's that? 131 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,640 You got stabbed in the heart. 132 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,240 Alex one, two, five, seven or whatever your name is. 133 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,240 Guess what? 134 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,240 I've got two of them, mate. 135 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,480 They've got eidetic memory. 136 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,680 They can eat your brains and learn battlefield and memory stuff so that they can find out 137 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:32,120 just how to take you apart from the inside. 138 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,720 They are supposedly so fast that they shouldn't be able to move how fast they actually do 139 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,140 from accounts of civilians. 140 00:09:38,140 --> 00:09:42,720 And they can be wired into machinery like underhawk gunships and other things so that 141 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,200 they can integrate with machinery. 142 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:49,360 We might not have a AI, but we don't need it because muscles all you need wrapped in 143 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,200 holy ceramite. 144 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,000 These guys have great reaction speed. 145 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 They're stronger than anything. 146 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,260 They can rip pieces of tanks apart. 147 00:09:56,260 --> 00:10:00,200 It can survive poison and radiation and sometimes the vacuum of space. 148 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,120 Now, very cute. 149 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:09,840 The Astartes Mjolnir, the Spartan Mjolnir army has this one thousand pound pin coating 150 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,480 that makes them nice and snug inside. 151 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,480 I get it. 152 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,480 It's very nice. 153 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:14,480 It has shields and everything. 154 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:15,480 Gel layers. 155 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,480 All nice. 156 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:17,480 Ultramarine armor is about as heavy. 157 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,440 It's about anywhere from 500 to a thousand pounds. 158 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,960 But that shield you've got, I've played Halo 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, etc. 159 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,160 Take a few shots when that shield is down. 160 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,440 That armor is useless. 161 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,920 But Space Marines, they've got iron halos, baby. 162 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,840 You can't even hit them some of the time. 163 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,600 And even if you do, that's dense, thick, girthy armor. 164 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,600 Another girthy. 165 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Girthy, your honor. 166 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,160 I'm not talking about like sleek little skin type. 167 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,320 No, I want shoulder pads bigger than my head. 168 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,600 Thank you very much. 169 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,520 You might have all these fun little nano machines and stuff. 170 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,480 Space Marines, we just got muscle, baby. 171 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,200 We got big, girthy arms. 172 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:00,480 We've got magnetized boots so that we can stand on the side of space hulks and vehicles 173 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,240 from space and not have to worry about gravity when we're dormant. 174 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,720 We don't have to take a little nap nap like Master Chief and his little tube. 175 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,840 We can just sit down and Skyrim, wait for 24 hours or even 24 years and still be able 176 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,420 to survive. 177 00:11:14,420 --> 00:11:20,660 Space Marines are far superior than the puny UNSC forces with their little green helmets 178 00:11:20,660 --> 00:11:21,660 and visors. 179 00:11:21,660 --> 00:11:28,060 I've seen Noble Six in his Lark, you know, being bested by one alien Xenos party. 180 00:11:28,060 --> 00:11:30,080 They can take out gangs of them, mate. 181 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,280 Not only that, they can survive with the ability of having their massive power packs on their 182 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,280 back. 183 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:41,760 I'm not exactly sure how long a Spartan can live inside his little tin coffin without 184 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,640 having to worry about, you know, shutting down. 185 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,040 But a Space Marine has physical reactors on his back. 186 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,800 It can basically be described as, I'd say, the equivalent of a nuclear power plant in 187 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,680 today's current technology. 188 00:11:54,680 --> 00:12:00,100 So I'm not worried about my Astartes, you know, having to worry about, oh, you know, 189 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:01,480 I'm feeling a bit tired. 190 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,480 I've got all this lab. 191 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,520 I've got imprese lactic acid. 192 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:10,280 These guys are biologically developed and designed to be the strongest and mightiest 193 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,760 thing a human can be, with one exception being the Primarchs and of course the Emperor of 194 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,120 Mankind himself. 195 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,660 And that's not even going into their psychic abilities when they need to or specializations 196 00:12:21,660 --> 00:12:23,260 as tech Marines. 197 00:12:23,260 --> 00:12:28,520 These guys, simply put, cannot be compared to a Spartan. 198 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,160 Like a Spartan, don't get me wrong, Spartans are pretty cool, pretty bulky. 199 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,160 They're pretty strong. 200 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:40,680 But on a 1v1, fists, knives, guns, even, you know, your little UNSC, you know, E-Shooter, 201 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:43,840 you know, rata-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta, 36 little bullets. 202 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,440 That's pretty cute. 203 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,560 Have you met my Bolter? 204 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,200 Have you met my Ceramite as it crashes against your skull? 205 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,040 I think I'm going to leave that. 206 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,040 I don't know. 207 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,480 I don't need to say anymore for my first half, Your Honor. 208 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:54,480 I think I've nailed it. 209 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,480 Oh, wow. 210 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,600 I was going to ask, how tall are your Space Marine boys? 211 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:00,600 Very tall. 212 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:01,600 Very tall. 213 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:02,600 They're very tall. 214 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:03,600 That's the information I have, Your Honor. 215 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:04,600 Very tall. 216 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,240 I know that they are bigger than a Spartan. 217 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,720 I think it's like seven, is it eight feet or nine feet tall? 218 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,720 Maybe. 219 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,720 Eight feet, I believe is the average. 220 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:13,720 Eight, yeah. 221 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,760 Out of it, I think it's like seven, seven and a half. 222 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:18,760 Not bad. 223 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,680 So that is the conclusion of round one. 224 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:29,200 I'm going to ask Eli, Eli, your current thoughts on how Colin maybe did first. 225 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,200 How do you think that went? 226 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,200 I think he did good. 227 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,280 He started out strong with the cringe-star-ties meme. 228 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,400 I mean, I like that one. 229 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,680 I really love him. 230 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:43,520 I appreciated all the biology, the little biology lesson we got. 231 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,960 He had all the nice fancy word like thyroid and all that good stuff. 232 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,600 He knows what he's talking about, which is good. 233 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:51,600 Eli. 234 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:52,600 I have a fact. 235 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:53,600 Uh-oh. 236 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,600 Hey, uh-oh. 237 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,600 VTubers. 238 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,600 Uh-oh. 239 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,120 I shot my argument at the foot with that one word. 240 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Abominable intelligence? 241 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,360 I don't know, bro. 242 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,640 But 100 kilometers an hour, that's pretty cool. 243 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,720 I mean, maybe it's the authors of Warhammer. 244 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,880 Maybe it's their fault, but I don't know of any space marines that have ran 100 kilometers 245 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:15,880 an hour. 246 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,920 Maybe it's probably happened, but I mean, they haven't said it. 247 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:19,920 Perhaps, perhaps. 248 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,920 But Colin's got the facts. 249 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,200 Colin's got the facts. 250 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,400 I think Andy has the enthusiasm, though. 251 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,400 Definitely. 252 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,400 He does. 253 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:28,400 And he does eat. 254 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,000 I'll just wait for round two. 255 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,720 I think it's a strong start from both of our contestants here. 256 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,440 But order reestablish in the courtroom as we begin round two. 257 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,640 Colin, are you ready for your rebuttal? 258 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,640 I'm ready to go. 259 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,560 You may begin now. 260 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,160 Well, I'm so glad Andy brought up some of the points he did. 261 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,960 I think I'll start with that nanomachines, because people like to call me Senator Armstrong 262 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,160 because of my hairline. 263 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:01,720 The nanomachines in the Spartan armor are capable of not only self repair, but rerouting 264 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:02,720 armor systems. 265 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,200 So a space marine power breaks out. 266 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,720 Now that bit of soot broken. 267 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:06,720 Suck to suck. 268 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,840 Spartan armor, it can not only repair itself, but if repair is too much, even for those 269 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,220 nanomachines, which it takes a lot to overload those things, it rewrites power to keep the 270 00:15:15,220 --> 00:15:16,780 broken part functional anyway. 271 00:15:16,780 --> 00:15:19,620 So even when it's broke, Mjolnir's still kicking. 272 00:15:19,620 --> 00:15:23,400 As for the durability of it, the serum I can punch through it. 273 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,240 Noble Six and Master Chief, who have fallen from space unharmed. 274 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,360 And you might say, oh, Jolley are locked up. 275 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,380 It kept them perfectly safe where they both stood up and went, all right, time to go back 276 00:15:34,380 --> 00:15:35,380 and fighting. 277 00:15:35,380 --> 00:15:40,280 Noble Six lost three of the nine health bars in reach using gameplay terms. 278 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,820 He's fine from space. 279 00:15:43,820 --> 00:15:45,440 Another thing, you mentioned the power plant. 280 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,080 Oh, a nuclear reactor. 281 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,080 Oh, that's cute. 282 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,480 Spartans have a fusion reactor on their back. 283 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,600 You know, the thing that powers stars, Spartans just carry that around to their back. 284 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:01,440 And it has what I like to call the final fuck you, which is a code activated by either the 285 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,580 Spartan if they're still alive or another Spartan, they can do it remotely. 286 00:16:05,580 --> 00:16:09,360 And what that does is it overloads said fusion reactor. 287 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,920 And what that does is first, everyone in a certain radius gets super cancer because it's 288 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,360 a radioactive reactor going critical. 289 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,360 And then it explodes, which again, this is nuclear power. 290 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,300 That thing is taking whatever with it. 291 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:24,720 So maybe a space marine kills them. 292 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:30,080 Oh, no, they killed one Spartan after probably a bit 20 of them dying to the Spartan. 293 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:36,480 Well, that guy who killed them, he's going down because the Spartan just nuked them. 294 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,300 Other stuff that AI implant that does quite a bit. 295 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:45,540 What it does is the AI not only, you know, is part of their armor, it becomes basically 296 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:49,300 part of the Spartan because it's directly linked to the nervous system. 297 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:54,600 So they the Spartan's reaction suites additionally from all the information they're getting the 298 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,120 AI's and how in them become such that they can slap rockets out of midair. 299 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,920 Master Chief does that in the book and you can actually do that in game if you have a 300 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,000 gravity hammer, which is really cool. 301 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,140 I got to be honest. 302 00:17:06,140 --> 00:17:08,520 Just another quick thing before I run out. 303 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,940 Master Chief survived six months in the vacuum of space, completely kept alive. 304 00:17:12,940 --> 00:17:18,040 He was not only alive, unharmed and ready to fight the moment he was woken up and the 305 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,160 armor did not once run out of power. 306 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:25,800 They can take plasma blasts from Hunter cannons, which are goddamn powerful with no injury 307 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,880 in the Mjolnir 6 armor. 308 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:34,880 And overall, let's see, motion sensors, active camo, just all sorts of things, fooling holograms. 309 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,560 So you're not even fighting the right Spartan. 310 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,480 That's a hologram, you idiot. 311 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,120 Spartans are unmatched teamwork such that it seems like they're using telepathy. 312 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,120 They're not. 313 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:47,120 They're just so in tune with each other that it seems like they are. 314 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,720 You talk about brotherhood, Spartans view each other as family just as much. 315 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:51,720 They're just the perfect soldier. 316 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:52,720 Order in the courtroom. 317 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:53,720 They're not idiots. 318 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,720 And I'm done. 319 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:55,720 Order in the courtroom. 320 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,480 I was trying to gavel it and actually smack it. 321 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:00,920 That was a pretty impassioned... 322 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,760 I could bang my desk if you'd like. 323 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,600 We could, but that might ruin the recording. 324 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,120 I think we'd cry. 325 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,760 That was a pretty strong rebuttal. 326 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,840 Andy, the gauntlet has been laid. 327 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:19,640 Are you ready to answer back to these filthy accusations? 328 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,520 Primitive humans. 329 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,680 Your time begins now. 330 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:31,320 Now, it's very interesting hearing Colin talking about how great the Spartans are and how technologically 331 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:32,320 they're advanced. 332 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,840 But I've got to ask, where are these Spartans exactly? 333 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:43,640 I mean, you made the point that, for example, if a space marine managed to kill a Spartan, 334 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,120 will he take him out with him? 335 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:48,560 Well, it sounds like the UNSC doesn't have many of these guys to hand. 336 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,560 Maybe a dozen. 337 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,840 We have a million marines across the stars and every one of them is not just willing 338 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,520 to lay down a limb or even their life. 339 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:58,680 They're betting on it. 340 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,880 So it doesn't matter if you have some little self-destruct mechanism in your armor that's 341 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,840 so expensive and hard to produce that you can only really have a couple of them in service 342 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,880 for a very select few people. 343 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:15,240 You'll never be able to match the sheer amount of force that a space marine army can do because 344 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,700 you're simply outnumbered. 345 00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:19,000 It's easier to produce the armor. 346 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:24,320 I think probably both have their advantages and disadvantages, but let's be honest, the 347 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:30,360 machine spirits within the armor can basically be compared to an AI in that they will accentuate 348 00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:32,880 the person who inhabits within. 349 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,760 It can survive the most incredible damage you said about, for example, radiation. 350 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,320 Space marines from the first born generation were really good at radiation. 351 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:48,080 They could only be destroyed from things like virus bombs from their own arsenals of weaponry. 352 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,440 When we take into account the Primaris marines and their black carapace and all their other 353 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,440 enhancements and the Belisarian furnace, the Magna Cart, the sinew coils, you can't even 354 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,680 put one of your little Spartan daggers in the skin of an unarmored space marine, let 355 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,240 alone his armor. 356 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,960 You even mentioned about the strength of the warthog. 357 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,800 I've played Halo, I've played ODST. 358 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:14,760 You can flip the lightweight vehicles from Halo like the warthog with just normal humans. 359 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,120 So I'm not buying into the strength of these Spartans. 360 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,600 You press X, you don't even see them move their hands. 361 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,200 They're so light and they bounce around like, you know, buggies. 362 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,560 It's not even worth it. 363 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:26,560 It is canon. 364 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,560 It is canon. 365 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:36,000 And again, space marines in general, it doesn't matter how much you fight a space marine, 366 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,360 you can take off their limbs, you can gouge out their eyes. 367 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:41,040 They will keep fighting until the battle is done. 368 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,080 The main problem I have with Spartans, they are glass cannons. 369 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,680 As soon as you get past that pressure shield that they stole from the covenant, they can't 370 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:49,680 take a single hit. 371 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:56,040 I have seen countless teenagers smacking Spartans in the back and instantly killing them with 372 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,600 only a small slap. 373 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,600 Countless teenagers. 374 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:04,160 Yeah, I've seen so and again, the way they treat each other when they fall in battle 375 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,760 is atrocious. 376 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,880 And I think I will leave it there. 377 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,360 And that is the end of round two. 378 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:16,520 So order is returned to the judges here in the courtroom. 379 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,960 I'll ask Eli again a few thoughts, but I think I'll just say a few of mine. 380 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,480 I do have a quick question for Colin here. 381 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:33,720 How easily can you make a new Spartan or Spartan 2 specifically? 382 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,560 Initially it was rather difficult to create the Spartan 2s. 383 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:42,680 There were 75 candidates, 33 I believe it is, of whom washed out of the program. 384 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,560 So approximately a 50% sex rate. 385 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,760 However, they were refining the process. 386 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:54,400 It is just Halo has this wonderful thing called ethics. 387 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,520 And so they canceled remaining. 388 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,120 All right, well, we don't know about that. 389 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:06,120 Perhaps the only doesn't have ethics, but the rest of them do. 390 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:12,040 And it was not only canceled due to needing resources in other ways, other parts of the 391 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,480 war effort, further Spartan 2 production that is, but also because they had found a way 392 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:23,960 to make more effective, cost efficient soldiers with the threes and fours and a little bit 393 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,760 inhuman to kidnap children. 394 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,680 That was, there was not much more of that going around after. 395 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:36,480 I will ask Andy quickly then about how easy is it to make more space marines as a kind 396 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,480 of rebuttal? 397 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,480 It's so easy. 398 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,120 You would you go to a world you go, right, here's 100 young boys. 399 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:43,640 All right, beat each other to death. 400 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,640 We'll see who survives. 401 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,320 Oh, they're quite good candidates. 402 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,680 Ten will survive. 403 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,480 Then nine of them won't survive. 404 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,240 And then one will become a space marine. 405 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,640 And you know, Bella Soria is cool. 406 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,800 Spent 10,000 years without those quote ethics to try and make them even better. 407 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,560 And this is the thing that's interesting about this debate. 408 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,600 The space marines keep getting better with time. 409 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,400 The Spartans keep getting worse with time. 410 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,920 They inject them with blueberry juice or whatever it was with the Spartan threes. 411 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:15,280 And all of a sudden they can't do what the twos do just because of quotes, Geneva conventions, 412 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,480 Geneva convention and quote, you know, child trauma and, you know, quote, mutilations of 413 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,000 the body and all these all these hang ups which are making it so difficult for them 414 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,880 to just make more Spartan twos. 415 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,720 I can't the space marines. 416 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,440 There are thousands in the chapter and there are 1000 chapters across the stars. 417 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,560 And that's not counting the noncompliant chapters like the Black Templars and the Space Wolves 418 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,000 and the specialists like the Grey Knights. 419 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,000 It's not even a contest. 420 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,640 We can make space marines not just for days, not just for years, but for eons and we're 421 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,280 never going to run out. 422 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,560 Well what you're saying is by your own metric, space marines have a 1% success rate versus 423 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,200 the Spartans 50%. 424 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,640 Oh, that's because there's more for them. 425 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,400 I mean, if the Spartans were being grafted with extra organs and, you know, having more 426 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,840 bone structure built into them, then maybe you'd have a point. 427 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,840 But here's the thing. 428 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,240 You don't have to have a success rate with an inferior product if we're being honest. 429 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,600 I could have sworn I mentioned material being grafted under their bones and growth hormones. 430 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,440 Well, the space means literally grow an extra bunch of bones between their ribs. 431 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,240 So it's like a slab of bone. 432 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,240 You can't punch. 433 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,960 That's biologically not how that works. 434 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,680 That would shut down their ability to breathe. 435 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,680 Order in the courtroom. 436 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,680 Order in the courtroom. 437 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:35,240 As we begin our last round here, Colin, you're up first for round three. 438 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,240 You don't have long. 439 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,480 It's time to get in all your hate, the minute of hate, shall we say, if anyone here has 440 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,480 watched 1984. 441 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,120 Are you ready, Colin, for your last round? 442 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:48,560 Round three begins now. 443 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:56,400 All right, buddy, let me give you an impression of a space marine when someone dies. 444 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,400 My life sucks. 445 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,160 The universe bad. 446 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,080 I'm a battle brother and this dude I knew for two minutes died, but I'm sad because 447 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,240 the Imperial sucks. 448 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,120 Now when a Spartan two dies, you know what they do? 449 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,440 They go time to complete the mission. 450 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,880 I'm going to complete the mission. 451 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,600 And then they do complete the mission because the Spartans kick ass. 452 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:24,440 Not only I only win because I have Matt Ward plot armor because I'm a goddamn superhero 453 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,040 and any split lip bastard that gets in my way is going to have his head split along 454 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,480 with his jaw. 455 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,040 And you know what? 456 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,000 There's nothing in Warhammer as cool as the Halo soundtrack. 457 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,000 Oh, wow. 458 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,000 They're from music, too. 459 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,000 Oh, I will end it there, Your Honor. 460 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,480 I didn't realize the orchestra was going to get dragged into this. 461 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:51,120 Oh, you better believe I'm dragging Marty O'Donnell and Stephen Rippey into this. 462 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,560 Andy, it's your turn for your final round. 463 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,560 Are you ready? 464 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,560 Yes. 465 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:57,560 Let us begin. 466 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,080 Your Honor, I would like to bring attention that Colin mentioned that they will do everything 467 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,680 they can before they die to complete the mission, such as I believe it was George in Halo Reach 468 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:14,520 who sacrificed his life very valiantly to destroy a single covenant ship, followed by 469 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:20,760 innumerable more ships flying into orbit to slaughter the rest of his lesser Spartan bros 470 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,880 and sisters on the planet as they all eventually were slaughtered. 471 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,080 Now with the exception of Master Chief, it's true that there are some very capable Spartan 472 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,360 twos, but they're an ever dwindling resource. 473 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:36,920 And a battle brother is far more reliable because what we have in strength, we are bolstered 474 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,920 with numbers. 475 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,080 We are bolstered by the Imperium. 476 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,360 We are bolstered by the Holy God Emperor himself. 477 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:47,940 And nothing, nothing the Spartans could ever throw from their dying civilization could 478 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:52,560 ever match a single fragment of the Space Marine armies. 479 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:59,360 The Astartes are the pinnacle of war in humanity's long history of bloodshed. 480 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:00,360 Order in the courtroom. 481 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,000 Nothing will ever match that. 482 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,480 We that is less than six hours against an army. 483 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,560 That is the crying of a meal being stabbed in the back. 484 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,800 Oh, oh, he was ready. 485 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,800 How about you? 486 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,800 Please order in the courtroom. 487 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,000 Order, order. 488 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:24,120 As we now move into the final judgment phase, I will begin asking Eli. 489 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:28,680 Eli, you may put forth who you think has the edge. 490 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,760 Who do you think slightly wins on the first of verses? 491 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:38,520 Man, that's a hard question. 492 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,840 You can say how you thought about each of them. 493 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,960 It might be good to ask. 494 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,480 What are we technically debating? 495 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,640 Which ones are cooler or which ones are better? 496 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,960 Let's just say which ones are the most impressive. 497 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,560 Who's made the best argument so far for the most impressive super soldier? 498 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,080 Well, that is the point of debates. 499 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,480 Not who's right, who has the better argument. 500 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,080 We are fighting for the better arguments as we argue over the internet. 501 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,600 Let's go over the... 502 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,040 We are mighty keyboard warriors. 503 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,520 We are going to defend arguments here. 504 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,200 We talked about Colin's first round already. 505 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,800 Let's see. 506 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,840 Yeah, he was good. 507 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,080 He did pretty good in the first round. 508 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,720 So did Andy though. 509 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:31,880 I think Andy had some good points about the Space Marines being brothers and that brotherly 510 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,080 bond is not shown in many places elsewhere. 511 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,720 I think Andy also made a good point that the Space Marines are undeniably stronger and 512 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,400 bigger than Spartans. 513 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,520 Their armor, at least if we're going off of the Halo games, like they were, their armor 514 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,960 is definitely better. 515 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,840 The nuclear power plant was a good thing too. 516 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,680 And bolters are very, very cool. 517 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,560 Second round, Colin had some good arguments with the rerouting the power and the armor 518 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:01,600 and the self-repair. 519 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,840 Space Marine armor doesn't do that. 520 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,680 And jumping down from space, we don't see Space Marines do that either. 521 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,600 They have stars in their backpack, which is cool. 522 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,600 And they self-destruct. 523 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,520 Although I will say, the Halo books that I've read and the games that I've played, I've 524 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,320 never seen that self-destruct happen. 525 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,360 The end of the sport is kind of like Tau. 526 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,080 It's UNSC propaganda. 527 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,560 I assume it happens five seconds after the death cut scene ends. 528 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,640 The planets turn to ash. 529 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,400 And then the Spartans do have a more friendship dynamic. 530 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,000 Round two for Andy. 531 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,640 He was right that there's way more Space Marines. 532 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,720 It is hard to compare though because the Imperium is 40,000 years in the future and it's a galaxy 533 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,720 spanning empire. 534 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,520 Whereas the Spartans are only representing Earth's small empire. 535 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,720 However many planets you want to see has, not as much as the Imperium. 536 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,400 He compared the machine spirit to AI, which was kind of cringe, kind of heresy. 537 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,320 Can't say that I'm a big fan of that. 538 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,320 That joke is repious. 539 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,640 That's right. 540 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,440 Glass cannons about the Spartans though, that feels right. 541 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,480 They do seem to die pretty easily, at least when they go in and die. 542 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,480 With cut scene energy. 543 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,480 Yeah. 544 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,960 And the Strolling Tech by the Covenant, that was also a good point. 545 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,640 Half their good tech is not even theirs. 546 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,480 But then Colin came in round three and he made the point that's probably the most important 547 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,520 part about the Spartans is that they're much better heroes than Space Marines. 548 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:39,720 And that the story of the Spartans and their desperate defense is definitely, is a bit 549 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,720 stronger than the Space Marines story. 550 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440 I mean the Halo soundtrack, you can't argue that. 551 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,440 True. 552 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,640 That's a good, that's a big bonus point there. 553 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,280 Who do you think slightly takes it, as we say, for the first versus for you? 554 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,440 Well, in the third round, Andy roasted both George and Emil. 555 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,960 And I don't know if I can explain why. 556 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,960 I'm biased. 557 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,720 I think the, you might have to make a decision too Hal, I hope. 558 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,840 But I think I might have to give this one to... 559 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,080 Oh, he doesn't know, does he? 560 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,080 He doesn't know. 561 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,920 There's always the coin flip. 562 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,200 Colin did miss the opportunity to say Ask Stardies. 563 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,200 I did. 564 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,200 He did say Craig Stardies. 565 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,160 Craig Stardies instead, but I missed the big one. 566 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,160 Shit. 567 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,080 Yeah, it's just a hard decision for me. 568 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:40,120 I like both Space Marines and Spartans and I'm not much of a debater. 569 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,240 So you bought, in the end, I think... 570 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,200 He has to choose, he has to choose. 571 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,800 For delivery and facts, I think I'm going to go with Colin. 572 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,120 Ooh. 573 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,280 One point there. 574 00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,720 I think, I have to say, it was a pretty strong performance from both. 575 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:07,320 The hate and vitriol was there in spades. 576 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:13,880 Spartan twos, I mean, I think I like them slightly more than the fact that they're actually, 577 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,560 they behave like real soldiers. 578 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:21,960 The idea of the Space Marines charging a gun line with their swords out is a little bit 579 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,840 like Christ, you know what I mean? 580 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,040 Not exactly the most intelligent move there. 581 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,800 Cringe, one could say. 582 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:31,800 One could say it was cringe. 583 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,600 Or it stops just about everything in the galaxy and makes a little bit of sense. 584 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,840 He who laughs at the humble lasgun is not charged across a field of 100 of them. 585 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,400 That's a good point. 586 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:49,480 Although to be fair, Space Marines, I mean, I don't think you'd need that many Space Marines 587 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,800 to probably clean up the, I mean, if we're talking some of the stronger chapters too, 588 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,960 I mean, they're obviously, there's a lot of variety in Space Marines. 589 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:05,160 I think Andy makes a good point that they are pretty much just enormous beasts of muscle. 590 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:13,800 And despite how intelligent and say efficient the Spartan twos are, you know what I mean? 591 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,400 Like you're still, it's still the meme, you know, you're not stuck in here with, I'm not 592 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,440 stuck in here with you, you're stuck in here with me, Space Marines. 593 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:28,680 I do have to say, I think Andy had the vitriol, Colin had the facts, but I'm a hateful person, 594 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,400 so I have to give a point, I think, to the Space Marines. 595 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,400 Just because. 596 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,800 We do have a tie for the tie for our audience. 597 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:43,960 Audience, everyone needs to let us know below who you thought won the first debate. 598 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:50,040 And if you want to also chime in on the argument, we want facts, we want your feelings to facts 599 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,640 and feelings, preferably. 600 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,400 Let us know who you thought won or maybe some bits they maybe missed and they could have 601 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,520 chucked in. 602 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,200 And we also love to hear your suggestions for more verses, of course. 603 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:09,240 This courtroom has been home to much debate and vitriol, but we'd love to discuss many 604 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:10,240 more topics. 605 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:14,400 And if you leave them below, we'll definitely check them out and hopefully we'll have it 606 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,400 on the next one. 607 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,560 That was a good, good, good lashing, boys. 608 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:24,240 See we shake hands, we leave as friends, but we'll catch everyone next time on the next 609 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:25,240 versus August. 610 00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:26,240 Sorry. 611 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:30,040 Pretend my arm is halfway across the Atlantic, Andy. 612 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,040 I'm reaching. 613 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,040 I'm reaching. 614 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,040 That's long. 615 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,040 I'm Mr. Fantastic. 616 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,040 Oh, Lord. 617 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,040 We're not doing a versus on him. 618 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,040 Please no. 619 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,040 It's the Fantastic versus the Slore. 620 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,040 Oh, what the Jesus. 621 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,040 Oh, I'm sorry. 622 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,040 I'm sorry. 623 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,040 I'm sorry. 624 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,040 I'm sorry. 625 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,040 I'm sorry. 626 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,040 I'm sorry. 627 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,040 I'm sorry. 628 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,040 I'm sorry. 629 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,040 I'm sorry. 630 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,040 Oh, Jesus. 631 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,040 Yeah. 632 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,520 We'll catch you all on the next one. 633 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,560 Thank you so much for listening and watching. 634 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,320 Make sure to like and subscribe. 635 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,240 We need that to eat because we like eating. 636 00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:00,880 Also need to buy more insulin for Colin. 637 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,400 So can we please give some support to the channel? 638 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,320 Insulin is to me what psycho children are to the emperor. 639 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,080 Oh, oh my God. 640 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,040 I need more. 641 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,200 More. 642 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,760 Thank you so much for listening and we'll catch you on the next episode of versus. 643 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,760 Peace. 644 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:44,680 Take care everyone.