Alright, buddy, let me give you an impression of a space marine when someone dies.
My life sucks, the universe bad, can you imagine?
I'm a bad old brother and this dude I knew for two minutes died but I'm sad because the Imperial sucks and wha?
Hello and welcome to the first ever versus episode of Lore Crimes.
Today in the gladiatorial pits we have Colin and Andy fighting to the death over their respective topics of Spartan IIs versus Space Marines.
Hal and myself will be judging this battle.
Let's hear a little bit from Hal.
Well boys, I want it clean. Actually I do want insults, let's be honest.
We'll see who is victorious, who has the best arguments, who has the best jokes.
I say shake hands but there'll be no love lost hopefully on this one.
We'll be starting off in round one with Colin.
Colin you'll be, let's say, leading as we go in the courtroom here. Order, order in the courtroom.
Yes, Your Honor.
Are you ready Colin?
I am ready to go.
Alrighty then, your time begins now.
Ah, so it's time for me to explain why the Spartan IIs are far superior to the Adeptus cringe-star-ties.
The Spartan IIs, for those who are not familiar, are similar to Space Marines, child super soldiers, which is something I feel like people forget about the Marines, they're child soldiers.
Same with the Spartans, created by the UNSC's Office of Naval Intelligence and the project was helmed by one Dr. Catherine Halsey.
They were unmatched combatants in the war against the Covenant, turning the tide decisively against the Covenant and earning many victories and ensuring that if the battle they were part of was a loss, it was a Pyrrhic victory for the Covenant.
Millions were killed by the results of the Spartan IIs alone and they were even referred to as demons by the Covenant, showing that these people kick ass.
They were one of the few things that gave hope to humanity in the final years of the war once their existence was declassified and it is no exaggeration to say that entire armies were destroyed by Spartans alone.
For some general, what they can do, what are they all about?
There are augmentations, because they are also super soldiers, genetically modified.
Material is crafted to their bones to basically make their bones unbreakable, so you go to punch a Spartan and it just doesn't work.
You can take a sledgehammer to their knees and they're just going to kick you to death when you're done going to town on them.
You can't break these fellas.
Muscular enhancements not only increase strength but decrease electric recovery time.
So not only are they stronger, but they recover from being tired quicker.
Not that that's saying much because they can go for days on days on days without slowing down, getting tired.
Thyroid enhancement make these fellas taller, massively increase visual perceptiveness, and not only are the reactive times fantastic, but there's reports that it increases their intelligence and memory as well.
So it's not just physical, their minds get sharper as well.
And an AI neuro port, which is something that simply is inarguably in favor of the Spartans.
UNSC has AIs, Imperium Stoopid doesn't know what those are, doesn't like them.
Big L for the Imperium.
UNSC, they know that the portable VTubers are a crucial asset to the great.
Oh my gosh.
Abilities, fast as hell.
On average, they're running at 34 miles an hour.
Spartan Kelly averages at 38.
And Master Chief briefly managed speed of 65.2 miles an hour.
Which means the Master Chief is highway legal when you want speed.
And this was in Mjolnir Mark V armor, which is not what his latest armor is.
Strength, Spartan Adriana once used a mongoose as a hammer.
A mongoose, just imagine an ATV.
Imagine someone picking one of those up and then hammering you into the ground like a
game of whack-a-mole.
That's what Spartans are rocking.
And it is of note that their initial measurement is, their strength is roughly three times
their body weight is their lifting strength.
You might go, that doesn't sound too strong.
This is when they were 14, because the augmentations were given to them as children.
And it is expected, and indeed did, only become an even larger, like they can lift this much
relative to their body weight as they grew.
And them flipping warthogs and other vehicles is canonically possible.
So when you tip over your warthog in Halo 3, because you don't know how to drive, like
I don't know how to drive in that game, flipping it, that's canon.
Although the tanks are just for, might be a little bit of an exaggeration.
They can lift tanks, maybe not flip them.
Reactions, roughly 300 times increase from normal human reaction speeds.
Again, though, this is at age 14.
There's a really cool bit in one of the novels where the Master Chief, John 117, he was training
after he got the augmentations and he dropped a set of weights and they fell in slow motion
to him.
And in his head he was like, why is this happening?
So he broke out, like he just started doing math on the spot and he was like, what is
wrong with this place?
Why is all the equipment in this gym screwed up?
And he did the math, he's like, no, this is falling at normal speeds.
Everything is as it should be.
He just realized that he was so much more superhuman now that everything seemed like
it was in slow motion.
It seemed far weaker than it should be.
And then he beat four ODSTs to death because they tried to jump them.
And then that didn't work.
And for some more misc stuff, Spartan III, June, I know this is about twos, but do hear
me out, fell from atmosphere.
Or no, he was exposed to the vacuum of space for several minutes with no helmet, kind of
like Gilliman.
And when he was returned to the space station, he'd had zero lasting consequences.
Though he was unconscious by the time they brought him in.
And I know this is about the Spartan twos, but the point I'm trying to make is Spartan
threes are pretty much worse off to the Spartan twos in terms of their augmentations in every
way.
So if a three can do it, the twos can most certainly survive for at least some amount
of time in space without protection.
Just really quick, I know this is on a bit of a timer, so I'll try and speed through.
Mjolnir Army, Mark VI is what I'm using for this.
The armor of the Spartans, quite iconic, I might say.
It's a thousand pounds with the Spartans in it, not counting any equipment.
So if a Spartan like runs at you at full speed, remember Master Chief bulldozing at 60 miles
an hour down the freeway, that is a thousand pounds of weight barreling into you.
You are going to be a red stain, Mr. Astartes.
Knock knock.
Energy shielding, they've got a rechargeable energy shield because Spartans, you kind of
want those alive.
There's only so many of them.
Titanium alloy for their armor, which pretty much renders them immune to small fire even
without their energy shield.
And it can even prevent plasma blasts from just obliterating them.
Usually in Warhammer and Halo, getting hit by plasma kills you.
Spartans can power through it, assuming it's not like a wraith or a scarab blast.
That's that's still deadly.
Order in the courtroom.
That is all the time we have for round one.
Great.
I will resume later.
Not too bad.
Strong start, strong start.
Now we hand over to Andy for his rebuscle, shall we say.
Andy, are you ready?
I'm more than ready for this.
Oh, Lord.
Crack's Knuckles, your time begins now.
Your honor, it's very cute to say all the Spartans were raised as children.
All great super soldiers are raised as children and the Astartes are no exception.
They are raised from the smallest little child to become dominant gods among men.
These people are not brothers in arms of family members.
They are brothers.
They are a brotherhood of death and destruction.
A Spartan can turn the tide of a world that's start.
The enemies of the space marine can turn the tide of the galaxy because it was they alone
who tilted the balance of power for all humanity, not just the Xenos race called the Covenant.
They can they can destroy entire worlds with just a squad of 10 marines.
You want to talk about how strong an ultramarine, for example, is.
They have not just the augmenting augmented bones similar to a Spartan.
They have extra organs.
Wow, Master Chief, that sprint you took must have taken a lot out of you.
Too bad you don't have three lungs.
Oh, what's that?
You got stabbed in the heart.
Alex one, two, five, seven or whatever your name is.
Guess what?
I've got two of them, mate.
They've got eidetic memory.
They can eat your brains and learn battlefield and memory stuff so that they can find out
just how to take you apart from the inside.
They are supposedly so fast that they shouldn't be able to move how fast they actually do
from accounts of civilians.
And they can be wired into machinery like underhawk gunships and other things so that
they can integrate with machinery.
We might not have a AI, but we don't need it because muscles all you need wrapped in
holy ceramite.
These guys have great reaction speed.
They're stronger than anything.
They can rip pieces of tanks apart.
It can survive poison and radiation and sometimes the vacuum of space.
Now, very cute.
The Astartes Mjolnir, the Spartan Mjolnir army has this one thousand pound pin coating
that makes them nice and snug inside.
I get it.
It's very nice.
It has shields and everything.
Gel layers.
All nice.
Ultramarine armor is about as heavy.
It's about anywhere from 500 to a thousand pounds.
But that shield you've got, I've played Halo 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, etc.
Take a few shots when that shield is down.
That armor is useless.
But Space Marines, they've got iron halos, baby.
You can't even hit them some of the time.
And even if you do, that's dense, thick, girthy armor.
Another girthy.
Girthy, your honor.
I'm not talking about like sleek little skin type.
No, I want shoulder pads bigger than my head.
Thank you very much.
You might have all these fun little nano machines and stuff.
Space Marines, we just got muscle, baby.
We got big, girthy arms.
We've got magnetized boots so that we can stand on the side of space hulks and vehicles
from space and not have to worry about gravity when we're dormant.
We don't have to take a little nap nap like Master Chief and his little tube.
We can just sit down and Skyrim, wait for 24 hours or even 24 years and still be able
to survive.
Space Marines are far superior than the puny UNSC forces with their little green helmets
and visors.
I've seen Noble Six in his Lark, you know, being bested by one alien Xenos party.
They can take out gangs of them, mate.
Not only that, they can survive with the ability of having their massive power packs on their
back.
I'm not exactly sure how long a Spartan can live inside his little tin coffin without
having to worry about, you know, shutting down.
But a Space Marine has physical reactors on his back.
It can basically be described as, I'd say, the equivalent of a nuclear power plant in
today's current technology.
So I'm not worried about my Astartes, you know, having to worry about, oh, you know,
I'm feeling a bit tired.
I've got all this lab.
I've got imprese lactic acid.
These guys are biologically developed and designed to be the strongest and mightiest
thing a human can be, with one exception being the Primarchs and of course the Emperor of
Mankind himself.
And that's not even going into their psychic abilities when they need to or specializations
as tech Marines.
These guys, simply put, cannot be compared to a Spartan.
Like a Spartan, don't get me wrong, Spartans are pretty cool, pretty bulky.
They're pretty strong.
But on a 1v1, fists, knives, guns, even, you know, your little UNSC, you know, E-Shooter,
you know, rata-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta, 36 little bullets.
That's pretty cute.
Have you met my Bolter?
Have you met my Ceramite as it crashes against your skull?
I think I'm going to leave that.
I don't know.
I don't need to say anymore for my first half, Your Honor.
I think I've nailed it.
Oh, wow.
I was going to ask, how tall are your Space Marine boys?
Very tall.
They're very tall.
That's the information I have, Your Honor.
Very tall.
I know that they are bigger than a Spartan.
I think it's like seven, is it eight feet or nine feet tall?
Maybe.
Eight feet, I believe is the average.
Eight, yeah.
Out of it, I think it's like seven, seven and a half.
Not bad.
So that is the conclusion of round one.
I'm going to ask Eli, Eli, your current thoughts on how Colin maybe did first.
How do you think that went?
I think he did good.
He started out strong with the cringe-star-ties meme.
I mean, I like that one.
I really love him.
I appreciated all the biology, the little biology lesson we got.
He had all the nice fancy word like thyroid and all that good stuff.
He knows what he's talking about, which is good.
Eli.
I have a fact.
Uh-oh.
Hey, uh-oh.
VTubers.
Uh-oh.
I shot my argument at the foot with that one word.
Abominable intelligence?
I don't know, bro.
But 100 kilometers an hour, that's pretty cool.
I mean, maybe it's the authors of Warhammer.
Maybe it's their fault, but I don't know of any space marines that have ran 100 kilometers
an hour.
Maybe it's probably happened, but I mean, they haven't said it.
Perhaps, perhaps.
But Colin's got the facts.
Colin's got the facts.
I think Andy has the enthusiasm, though.
Definitely.
He does.
And he does eat.
I'll just wait for round two.
I think it's a strong start from both of our contestants here.
But order reestablish in the courtroom as we begin round two.
Colin, are you ready for your rebuttal?
I'm ready to go.
You may begin now.
Well, I'm so glad Andy brought up some of the points he did.
I think I'll start with that nanomachines, because people like to call me Senator Armstrong
because of my hairline.
The nanomachines in the Spartan armor are capable of not only self repair, but rerouting
armor systems.
So a space marine power breaks out.
Now that bit of soot broken.
Suck to suck.
Spartan armor, it can not only repair itself, but if repair is too much, even for those
nanomachines, which it takes a lot to overload those things, it rewrites power to keep the
broken part functional anyway.
So even when it's broke, Mjolnir's still kicking.
As for the durability of it, the serum I can punch through it.
Noble Six and Master Chief, who have fallen from space unharmed.
And you might say, oh, Jolley are locked up.
It kept them perfectly safe where they both stood up and went, all right, time to go back
and fighting.
Noble Six lost three of the nine health bars in reach using gameplay terms.
He's fine from space.
Another thing, you mentioned the power plant.
Oh, a nuclear reactor.
Oh, that's cute.
Spartans have a fusion reactor on their back.
You know, the thing that powers stars, Spartans just carry that around to their back.
And it has what I like to call the final fuck you, which is a code activated by either the
Spartan if they're still alive or another Spartan, they can do it remotely.
And what that does is it overloads said fusion reactor.
And what that does is first, everyone in a certain radius gets super cancer because it's
a radioactive reactor going critical.
And then it explodes, which again, this is nuclear power.
That thing is taking whatever with it.
So maybe a space marine kills them.
Oh, no, they killed one Spartan after probably a bit 20 of them dying to the Spartan.
Well, that guy who killed them, he's going down because the Spartan just nuked them.
Other stuff that AI implant that does quite a bit.
What it does is the AI not only, you know, is part of their armor, it becomes basically
part of the Spartan because it's directly linked to the nervous system.
So they the Spartan's reaction suites additionally from all the information they're getting the
AI's and how in them become such that they can slap rockets out of midair.
Master Chief does that in the book and you can actually do that in game if you have a
gravity hammer, which is really cool.
I got to be honest.
Just another quick thing before I run out.
Master Chief survived six months in the vacuum of space, completely kept alive.
He was not only alive, unharmed and ready to fight the moment he was woken up and the
armor did not once run out of power.
They can take plasma blasts from Hunter cannons, which are goddamn powerful with no injury
in the Mjolnir 6 armor.
And overall, let's see, motion sensors, active camo, just all sorts of things, fooling holograms.
So you're not even fighting the right Spartan.
That's a hologram, you idiot.
Spartans are unmatched teamwork such that it seems like they're using telepathy.
They're not.
They're just so in tune with each other that it seems like they are.
You talk about brotherhood, Spartans view each other as family just as much.
They're just the perfect soldier.
Order in the courtroom.
They're not idiots.
And I'm done.
Order in the courtroom.
I was trying to gavel it and actually smack it.
That was a pretty impassioned...
I could bang my desk if you'd like.
We could, but that might ruin the recording.
I think we'd cry.
That was a pretty strong rebuttal.
Andy, the gauntlet has been laid.
Are you ready to answer back to these filthy accusations?
Primitive humans.
Your time begins now.
Now, it's very interesting hearing Colin talking about how great the Spartans are and how technologically
they're advanced.
But I've got to ask, where are these Spartans exactly?
I mean, you made the point that, for example, if a space marine managed to kill a Spartan,
will he take him out with him?
Well, it sounds like the UNSC doesn't have many of these guys to hand.
Maybe a dozen.
We have a million marines across the stars and every one of them is not just willing
to lay down a limb or even their life.
They're betting on it.
So it doesn't matter if you have some little self-destruct mechanism in your armor that's
so expensive and hard to produce that you can only really have a couple of them in service
for a very select few people.
You'll never be able to match the sheer amount of force that a space marine army can do because
you're simply outnumbered.
It's easier to produce the armor.
I think probably both have their advantages and disadvantages, but let's be honest, the
machine spirits within the armor can basically be compared to an AI in that they will accentuate
the person who inhabits within.
It can survive the most incredible damage you said about, for example, radiation.
Space marines from the first born generation were really good at radiation.
They could only be destroyed from things like virus bombs from their own arsenals of weaponry.
When we take into account the Primaris marines and their black carapace and all their other
enhancements and the Belisarian furnace, the Magna Cart, the sinew coils, you can't even
put one of your little Spartan daggers in the skin of an unarmored space marine, let
alone his armor.
You even mentioned about the strength of the warthog.
I've played Halo, I've played ODST.
You can flip the lightweight vehicles from Halo like the warthog with just normal humans.
So I'm not buying into the strength of these Spartans.
You press X, you don't even see them move their hands.
They're so light and they bounce around like, you know, buggies.
It's not even worth it.
It is canon.
And again, space marines in general, it doesn't matter how much you fight a space marine,
you can take off their limbs, you can gouge out their eyes.
They will keep fighting until the battle is done.
The main problem I have with Spartans, they are glass cannons.
As soon as you get past that pressure shield that they stole from the covenant, they can't
take a single hit.
I have seen countless teenagers smacking Spartans in the back and instantly killing them with
only a small slap.
Countless teenagers.
Yeah, I've seen so and again, the way they treat each other when they fall in battle
is atrocious.
And I think I will leave it there.
And that is the end of round two.
So order is returned to the judges here in the courtroom.
I'll ask Eli again a few thoughts, but I think I'll just say a few of mine.
I do have a quick question for Colin here.
How easily can you make a new Spartan or Spartan 2 specifically?
Initially it was rather difficult to create the Spartan 2s.
There were 75 candidates, 33 I believe it is, of whom washed out of the program.
So approximately a 50% sex rate.
However, they were refining the process.
It is just Halo has this wonderful thing called ethics.
And so they canceled remaining.
All right, well, we don't know about that.
Perhaps the only doesn't have ethics, but the rest of them do.
And it was not only canceled due to needing resources in other ways, other parts of the
war effort, further Spartan 2 production that is, but also because they had found a way
to make more effective, cost efficient soldiers with the threes and fours and a little bit
inhuman to kidnap children.
That was, there was not much more of that going around after.
I will ask Andy quickly then about how easy is it to make more space marines as a kind
of rebuttal?
It's so easy.
You would you go to a world you go, right, here's 100 young boys.
All right, beat each other to death.
We'll see who survives.
Oh, they're quite good candidates.
Ten will survive.
Then nine of them won't survive.
And then one will become a space marine.
And you know, Bella Soria is cool.
Spent 10,000 years without those quote ethics to try and make them even better.
And this is the thing that's interesting about this debate.
The space marines keep getting better with time.
The Spartans keep getting worse with time.
They inject them with blueberry juice or whatever it was with the Spartan threes.
And all of a sudden they can't do what the twos do just because of quotes, Geneva conventions,
Geneva convention and quote, you know, child trauma and, you know, quote, mutilations of
the body and all these all these hang ups which are making it so difficult for them
to just make more Spartan twos.
I can't the space marines.
There are thousands in the chapter and there are 1000 chapters across the stars.
And that's not counting the noncompliant chapters like the Black Templars and the Space Wolves
and the specialists like the Grey Knights.
It's not even a contest.
We can make space marines not just for days, not just for years, but for eons and we're
never going to run out.
Well what you're saying is by your own metric, space marines have a 1% success rate versus
the Spartans 50%.
Oh, that's because there's more for them.
I mean, if the Spartans were being grafted with extra organs and, you know, having more
bone structure built into them, then maybe you'd have a point.
But here's the thing.
You don't have to have a success rate with an inferior product if we're being honest.
I could have sworn I mentioned material being grafted under their bones and growth hormones.
Well, the space means literally grow an extra bunch of bones between their ribs.
So it's like a slab of bone.
You can't punch.
That's biologically not how that works.
That would shut down their ability to breathe.
Order in the courtroom.
As we begin our last round here, Colin, you're up first for round three.
You don't have long.
It's time to get in all your hate, the minute of hate, shall we say, if anyone here has
watched 1984.
Are you ready, Colin, for your last round?
Round three begins now.
All right, buddy, let me give you an impression of a space marine when someone dies.
My life sucks.
The universe bad.
I'm a battle brother and this dude I knew for two minutes died, but I'm sad because
the Imperial sucks.
Now when a Spartan two dies, you know what they do?
They go time to complete the mission.
I'm going to complete the mission.
And then they do complete the mission because the Spartans kick ass.
Not only I only win because I have Matt Ward plot armor because I'm a goddamn superhero
and any split lip bastard that gets in my way is going to have his head split along
with his jaw.
And you know what?
There's nothing in Warhammer as cool as the Halo soundtrack.
Oh, wow.
They're from music, too.
Oh, I will end it there, Your Honor.
I didn't realize the orchestra was going to get dragged into this.
Oh, you better believe I'm dragging Marty O'Donnell and Stephen Rippey into this.
Andy, it's your turn for your final round.
Are you ready?
Yes.
Let us begin.
Your Honor, I would like to bring attention that Colin mentioned that they will do everything
they can before they die to complete the mission, such as I believe it was George in Halo Reach
who sacrificed his life very valiantly to destroy a single covenant ship, followed by
innumerable more ships flying into orbit to slaughter the rest of his lesser Spartan bros
and sisters on the planet as they all eventually were slaughtered.
Now with the exception of Master Chief, it's true that there are some very capable Spartan
twos, but they're an ever dwindling resource.
And a battle brother is far more reliable because what we have in strength, we are bolstered
with numbers.
We are bolstered by the Imperium.
We are bolstered by the Holy God Emperor himself.
And nothing, nothing the Spartans could ever throw from their dying civilization could
ever match a single fragment of the Space Marine armies.
The Astartes are the pinnacle of war in humanity's long history of bloodshed.
Order in the courtroom.
Nothing will ever match that.
We that is less than six hours against an army.
That is the crying of a meal being stabbed in the back.
Oh, oh, he was ready.
How about you?
Please order in the courtroom.
Order, order.
As we now move into the final judgment phase, I will begin asking Eli.
Eli, you may put forth who you think has the edge.
Who do you think slightly wins on the first of verses?
Man, that's a hard question.
You can say how you thought about each of them.
It might be good to ask.
What are we technically debating?
Which ones are cooler or which ones are better?
Let's just say which ones are the most impressive.
Who's made the best argument so far for the most impressive super soldier?
Well, that is the point of debates.
Not who's right, who has the better argument.
We are fighting for the better arguments as we argue over the internet.
Let's go over the...
We are mighty keyboard warriors.
We are going to defend arguments here.
We talked about Colin's first round already.
Let's see.
Yeah, he was good.
He did pretty good in the first round.
So did Andy though.
I think Andy had some good points about the Space Marines being brothers and that brotherly
bond is not shown in many places elsewhere.
I think Andy also made a good point that the Space Marines are undeniably stronger and
bigger than Spartans.
Their armor, at least if we're going off of the Halo games, like they were, their armor
is definitely better.
The nuclear power plant was a good thing too.
And bolters are very, very cool.
Second round, Colin had some good arguments with the rerouting the power and the armor
and the self-repair.
Space Marine armor doesn't do that.
And jumping down from space, we don't see Space Marines do that either.
They have stars in their backpack, which is cool.
And they self-destruct.
Although I will say, the Halo books that I've read and the games that I've played, I've
never seen that self-destruct happen.
The end of the sport is kind of like Tau.
It's UNSC propaganda.
I assume it happens five seconds after the death cut scene ends.
The planets turn to ash.
And then the Spartans do have a more friendship dynamic.
Round two for Andy.
He was right that there's way more Space Marines.
It is hard to compare though because the Imperium is 40,000 years in the future and it's a galaxy
spanning empire.
Whereas the Spartans are only representing Earth's small empire.
However many planets you want to see has, not as much as the Imperium.
He compared the machine spirit to AI, which was kind of cringe, kind of heresy.
Can't say that I'm a big fan of that.
That joke is repious.
That's right.
Glass cannons about the Spartans though, that feels right.
They do seem to die pretty easily, at least when they go in and die.
With cut scene energy.
Yeah.
And the Strolling Tech by the Covenant, that was also a good point.
Half their good tech is not even theirs.
But then Colin came in round three and he made the point that's probably the most important
part about the Spartans is that they're much better heroes than Space Marines.
And that the story of the Spartans and their desperate defense is definitely, is a bit
stronger than the Space Marines story.
I mean the Halo soundtrack, you can't argue that.
True.
That's a good, that's a big bonus point there.
Who do you think slightly takes it, as we say, for the first versus for you?
Well, in the third round, Andy roasted both George and Emil.
And I don't know if I can explain why.
I'm biased.
I think the, you might have to make a decision too Hal, I hope.
But I think I might have to give this one to...
Oh, he doesn't know, does he?
He doesn't know.
There's always the coin flip.
Colin did miss the opportunity to say Ask Stardies.
I did.
He did say Craig Stardies.
Craig Stardies instead, but I missed the big one.
Shit.
Yeah, it's just a hard decision for me.
I like both Space Marines and Spartans and I'm not much of a debater.
So you bought, in the end, I think...
He has to choose, he has to choose.
For delivery and facts, I think I'm going to go with Colin.
Ooh.
One point there.
I think, I have to say, it was a pretty strong performance from both.
The hate and vitriol was there in spades.
Spartan twos, I mean, I think I like them slightly more than the fact that they're actually,
they behave like real soldiers.
The idea of the Space Marines charging a gun line with their swords out is a little bit
like Christ, you know what I mean?
Not exactly the most intelligent move there.
Cringe, one could say.
One could say it was cringe.
Or it stops just about everything in the galaxy and makes a little bit of sense.
He who laughs at the humble lasgun is not charged across a field of 100 of them.
That's a good point.
Although to be fair, Space Marines, I mean, I don't think you'd need that many Space Marines
to probably clean up the, I mean, if we're talking some of the stronger chapters too,
I mean, they're obviously, there's a lot of variety in Space Marines.
I think Andy makes a good point that they are pretty much just enormous beasts of muscle.
And despite how intelligent and say efficient the Spartan twos are, you know what I mean?
Like you're still, it's still the meme, you know, you're not stuck in here with, I'm not
stuck in here with you, you're stuck in here with me, Space Marines.
I do have to say, I think Andy had the vitriol, Colin had the facts, but I'm a hateful person,
so I have to give a point, I think, to the Space Marines.
Just because.
We do have a tie for the tie for our audience.
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That was a good, good, good lashing, boys.
See we shake hands, we leave as friends, but we'll catch everyone next time on the next
versus August.
Sorry.
Pretend my arm is halfway across the Atlantic, Andy.
I'm reaching.
That's long.
I'm Mr. Fantastic.
Oh, Lord.
We're not doing a versus on him.
Please no.
It's the Fantastic versus the Slore.
Oh, what the Jesus.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Oh, Jesus.
Yeah.
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