And then he helped Johnson all over the place.
Yeah, he lioned all over my Johnson.
Oh, that's even worse.
That's actually, that's definitely worse.
Goodnight everybody.
Johnson, see.
Oh, stop it boys.
Just stop.
Hello and welcome to Lore Crimes, ladies and gentlemen.
We were originally planned to do the Farsight Enclave today, but as you are probably aware,
I'm hoping, we are YouTubers, which means the algorithm dictates if we eat or not.
Algorithm for the algorithm gods.
So, given some recent trends lately in the Warhammer releases, we've decided it would
be prudent to cover the lion.
So if maybe you're not too familiar with the Primarchs, because you're like me and you
refuse to read the Whore's Heresy on moral principle, for the same reason I don't watch
One Piece.
You might be like, who is this dude?
His model looks cool, but who is this dude?
Well, we have Eli in the beginner section to tell you, and a mystery for the expert
section.
I know who it is, we gotta keep the audience guessing.
But before we get into that, we have the question of the week from last week.
It's the answers to, which of the Primarchs would you least want to babysit?
I've pulled three of the questions from the comments, and I think I'll read them for you
now.
I'm feeling silly.
I'm feeling so silly already.
No.
By the way, you even said silly.
You didn't say silly, you went silly.
I know.
I'm actually like under my desk, my feet are like tapping.
This is my favorite part.
First one from Sun D Lollipop, I would least want to babysit a baby Vulcan.
Firstly in story, it said as an infant he was the size of a large 10 year old.
Oh my god.
You're not giving birth to him, it's fine.
Yeah, but imagine toddlers, when they're at that stage in life where they just want to
run around and touch everything.
Except this one's the size of a 10 year old and built like a brick shithouse.
And his voice is deep as hell at mom.
I feel like that would be a nightmare.
Secondly he says, I cannot imagine how painful it would be to die by either asphyxiation
or being crushed by this giant demonic looking baby as he lovingly hugs me to death.
What's your fair point?
I don't know if I could lift a Vulcan bear hug.
It's a good answer.
My spine would snap like a Kit Kat.
It's a good answer to be fair.
You've imagined that.
God no.
But you'd have to do it, you'd be like, if there's one way to go in life, you know what
I mean, that's one way to put it on the list in terms of like old age and then Vulcan hug
at least.
Vulcan's a very gentle soul.
I mean, Nibel, his adoptive father, did okay.
I mean he was like a blacksmith so obviously he must have been quite hench and maybe he
was like, oh I can take it but.
Hench, get out of here.
That's a fair point.
We have for the next one, Zach M with the hashtag pry babies.
The worst two pry marks to babysit would Dorn and Purdy.
Worst case scenario, you're either locked out of your house or inside.
Oh my god.
Oh man.
And the house is always fortified no matter who's with them.
They're like making like Molotov cocktails within pitlo forts and throwing them at each
other.
Could you two stop for two minutes?
You're gonna break all the furniture.
On the bright side, the house would probably be made of like reinforced concrete so it
wouldn't catch red fire.
Maybe Dorn would be like, father, the shed is insufficient to defend ourselves.
I have done this.
Dorn, what are you doing?
Like Phineas and Ferb but they're constantly trying to kill each other.
Murderous.
The neighbors will complain they could just hear like throughout the night siege fortified
siege fortified.
I could just imagine like a prepubescent Perth or Abbo like being relegated to the like the
garage playing drums moodily and all the neighbors going he's making a lot of noise.
He's venting.
He's very frustrated these days.
It's a very young teenager.
Giant railway cannon the Germans built in World War Two.
I'm imagining like one of them building that in their backyard.
Like, they're going over the garden fence going, all right there, Peter.
It's not Pete.
All right, Peter.
What are you building?
None of your business.
Peter.
Yeah, that's his name.
Peter Turbo.
Oh my God.
Look what Peter.
Look what Peter built today.
Peter and Ronald.
Ronald.
That's a long time.
And for the for the last one, the worst Primark to babysit by Crimson Glory.
Rabooty Gilliman.
You can't even raid the amp's liquor cabinet and have your girlfriend over at the little
guy's.
You know, I do love Gilliman, but that little shit would be a snitch.
He'd be the least fun.
Like father, it is past bedtime.
Go to bed.
Yeah, he'll put himself to bed.
I guess that'd be convenient.
With Korraks, it will be at least a little fun being like, where's the baby?
And he's actually missing.
There's no Conrad on there.
He'd be sneaking around in the beds trying to skin your like pets alive.
We didn't have one about Conrad.
We had two about Conrad, although they didn't mention skinning, skinning anyone.
Yet.
Oh my Lord.
These people are funny, though.
But these are actually good answers.
They're not the ones I thought people would pick.
Thank you, subs.
Thank you so much.
Very, very cool.
Thank you for these.
The question we have for you all, very Dark Angels fitting, is what is the best kept secret
in Warhammer?
Wrong answers only, please.
Hashtag lore lies.
So for example, as we all know, the Emperor built the Eldar Webway project for some Eldar
thitties.
That is foul.
That's right.
It's also a TTS joke.
That's foul.
And we shall now begin the tale of Lionel Johnson.
So with that, the questions out of the way, I shall pass it on over to Eli to let us know
about the basic section of Lionel Johnson, the Primark of the First.
Yeah, buddy.
All right.
Well, I think Lion is probably, if I had to guess, I'd say he's probably everyone's favorite
Primark on average, maybe.
Really?
I think so, too.
Yeah.
I think Major Kill has had a lot of influence in that, to be fair, because he loves the
Lion.
He's a big Lion simp, yeah.
Rightly so, to be fair.
Rightly so.
That and also, I feel like Lion is a perfect Ryan Gosling character.
He's like, he's literally me character.
Yeah, he's literally me for real.
I will say that from what I've seen in the community, people either love or hate the
Lion.
There's definitely like, it's not like Volkan where everyone loves him.
It's not like Gilliman where people are indifferent, or that they either love or hate him to an
extent.
True.
No, this is a good thing.
Gilliman's like, they're either like, I like him or he's fine.
They're not like, I hate Gilliman.
That's true.
Fair enough, fair enough.
Yeah, maybe Volkan's the fan's favorite.
But it's hard to say.
I think Lion is pretty high up there.
He is Ryan Gosling from Drive in a Primark, though, which is cool.
But anyways, I'll actually talk about the lore.
I'm not just here to make memes all day, I guess.
Okay, so he's back.
He's exciting.
He's got his new model.
He's got his new rules.
But let's talk about who is this guy.
In his early life, obviously, he crash landed on Caliban, one of the probably scariest worlds
of all the Primark worlds that were landed upon, because where like, Fulgrim landed on
Pujol, where no one can really survive, I don't know, Volkan landed on scary volcano
planet.
So you live on Caliban in the environment, but it's full of like the most horrifying,
chaos tainted warped monsters in the entire galaxy, all condensed on this one planet.
So the lion lived in this jungle forest as a little baby boy, somehow miraculously surviving
against monsters because he's a Primark.
So toddlers, toddler power there, I guess.
And he lived there for quite a while, I think he was he was like a young adult almost when
they found him, I'm pretty sure.
Or at least like, by Primark standards, young adult for Primark is probably like, what,
eight years old or something.
I think he spent just about a decade, right?
Isn't it?
Yeah, just about a decade, like with not knowing those other humans out there.
So then he would be found eventually by civilization by a group of knights, with the leader of
those knights at the time being Luther, who would then adopt him as his father, and quickly
become his friend because the fatherhood didn't last that long because he was already kind
of old.
But the knights would be very scared of the lion at first and Luther, I'm paraphrasing
here because I can't remember the exact lion and I couldn't find it, but Luther would remark
that the lion was the biggest monster of all of Caliban and that he scared him more than
any monster had ever scared him before.
When they shot him, they were like, whoops, we shot a child.
Oh, he's scary though.
Thankfully he just ate that bullet.
Yeah, literally.
So like I said, it's actually kind of like, this might tell some people, it's kind of
like William and Russ's early life.
Except he wasn't raised by wolves, he was just raised by himself, but just a feral animal
out in the wild found by some bros.
Caliban was cool because they had like STCs or power armor and stuff.
I guess I shouldn't get too much into detail.
I'm in the beginner section.
Anywho, they brought the lion back and he would quickly shoot up in the ranks of the
knightly order that he was part of.
And already this would make Luther salty because he would watch the lion basically achieve
everything that Luther had worked so hard to do in the span of like a few years that
Luther had done his entire life because he's a prime market and he's always going to be
better than you.
But Luther would be the voice of the lion because the lion was kind of awkward and he's
bad at understanding people and talking to people.
Hence the Ryan Gosling aspect.
So he's a Warhammer fan.
Oh Lord, we just attacked our own fans.
Christ.
That was as much aimed at me as everyone else.
He's literally me.
Good saying.
Oh, thank God.
Cause we're, I mean, let's be honest boys, Warhammer fans, we're not the most talkative
people out there.
No.
When we say that, Eli's getting married.
True.
Yeah.
It's demographic.
The problem with that is I like to talk to people about Warhammer, but then they just,
their eyes glaze over and then they don't want to hear anything about it anymore.
Cause they're like, I don't, the thing I get all the time is I don't get it.
And I'm like, well, it's like this, this, this, this, this.
I'm like, I don't understand.
And it's, it's not worth the time.
It's hard to, oh sorry, go ahead, Eli.
To be fair, the girl I'm getting married to, I told her about Warhammer on like our first
hangout and one of our first hangouts, she saw me try to eat a hundred chicken nuggets
and throw up.
So, you know, there's, there's a litmus test.
There's a litmus test.
Oh my God.
And then it was like, it must be love.
Love.
Nom nom nom nom nom chicken.
I had to make sure, I had to make sure that she could, I don't know if she could stick
with it.
I'm just imagining just like you inhaling chicken and then just being like, have I ever
mentioned Erebus?
I like, I like the quote.
It's the quote, something along the lines of, if you can't have me at my such and such,
you can't have me at my worst.
You can't have me at my worst.
You can't have me at my best.
Yeah, and it's just you scoffing chicken nuggets.
Erebus is a, and then at the best, it's just you in your like suit at the wedding.
This is some good, this is some good bro advice for the fellas out there.
Tell your, don't, don't hide your hobbies from the girl you like because she's going
to like you whether you have weird hobbies.
Which, these are Warhammer fans.
What are you talking about?
What do you mean girl that likes them?
What are we doing?
There's not light to ourselves boys.
Hey, all right.
Anyways, we have a topic to talk about I suppose.
Where was I?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he became basically the leader of the orders and he would start a 10 year long crusade
against the monsters of Caliban and cleanse the forest.
And he eventually become grand master of the orders, which Luther is like Loki hates this
guy but also loves him because he is his best friend and adopted son.
But he's also achieving Luther's dreams and like dashing all of his hopes.
It's a weird one with him, but we'll go into that a bit later.
He's an interesting character though.
The Emperor comes to Caliban, Luther, sorry, Lion immediately bends the knee without complaint
because he's a big loyal guy.
Loyalty is its own reward.
That's his quote.
And the boys become space marines minus Luther because he's too old.
So he gets the core pharaoh treatment and becomes basically a space marine, but not
quite.
So in the great crusade, Johnson would probably, I think a lot of the Primarchs agree that
he was the best general amongst them and one of the best leaders.
Horace was like the only contender with him, truly at least.
And he was kind of the only other thought to be the war master.
But then the Emperor chose Horace.
I think it was like if Horace was the sweet dead center, exactly what the Emperor wanted,
on the other side you'd have the Lion and on the other you'd have Sanguinus and that's
kind of the spectrum.
It's like, oh, Sanguinus is a bit softy and then the Lion is just, he's terrible with
people and then you have Horace in the middle, you know?
The perfect triumph for it.
Yeah, I think Sanguinus was kind of like Lion's only friend of the Primarchs.
He didn't really talk to anyone, he just kind of brooded in the corner and ran away from
girls when they came to talk to him.
Typical Aldous Brubber syndrome.
Yeah.
I suppose, I didn't even know that.
I guess he was, he is the first Primarch, it's true.
Oh yeah, he made the Dark Angels, he named them the Dark Angels after a myth from Caliban.
There's a little thing there.
Where was I?
Yeah, he reunited the Legion because I'm pretty sure they were spread out through the galaxy.
He united the Hexagramaton, that thing, and he made them all work together.
It's not as big nowadays but it was big for them 10,000 years ago.
But he took a ton of victories in the Emperor's name.
He was like the tactical genius of the Primarchs and a very good duelist as well.
People get salty if you don't say that he's the best duelist, so he's one of the best
duelists but it's not...
Anyways.
But yeah, he wasn't very happy when the Emperor chose Horus and this kind of sparked some
pride in him.
Whereas a lot of the victories he was taking, I think a lot of it was because he wanted
to be Warmaster, so he was more of doing it to try to prove himself than he was doing
it to make the Imperium better, if that makes sense.
That might not be completely based in logic.
I think it's like, of all the Primarchs, he was the only one who actually was like, I
will take the mantle.
Like Horus was a bit, I guess I'm the guy for the job but I don't...
Sanguinus didn't really want to be...
Lion was like, dress for the job you want.
I'm wearing all this armor, look at my big sword, I am the Warmaster.
I want to be the Warmaster, more than anyone.
So anywho, the probably most important part of the crusade for him was the negotiations
with the Sorushi people.
They were allegedly going to become part of the Imperium but they were just trying to
trick the Lion to assassinate him with a nuclear bomb on their ship.
Uther seized the bomb and with Zahariel, I think is his name, the Librarian, and Uther
for a little bit is like, you know what, maybe I'll just let it happen.
And then he's like, you know what, maybe I won't let it happen, that's not so great,
what am I thinking?
And so they get rid of the bomb at the last moment and save the Lion.
But Jonath is not pleased, he sends Uther back to Caliban to watch it over and train
new recruits.
So he kind of censures him because, you know, he basically almost let him die, so you can't
really trust him that much anymore.
So Uther's unhappy about that but it's not the complete breaking of their relationship
yet.
He also fights Fuliman Russ and starts a 10,000 year long rivalry from that.
So good job, they have a little brawl.
Lion wins, albeit by not overly fair means, but he does still win.
Anyway, after the crusade, I guess we can go into the horse heresy.
It's basically just Lion fighting the Nightlords for like eight years or whatever.
And in the Thramas crusade, which is when the Nightlords go and fight the Dark Angels
forever, he does duel the Nightlords, he does duel Conrad Kurrs multiple times.
The first time he actually, I'd say he loses, because he has to be here, he loses and is
saved by, what's his name, Corswain, the paladin who rams his sword through Conrad's back and
then both forces have to take their Primarchs back because they're both mortally wounded.
The imagery of that, by the way, is hilarious in the book.
It's like a little toddler holding onto an adult's back.
You know what it reminds me of?
It reminds me of when you have two groups of people out on a night out and two of them
get in a fight and their mates are just dragging them from the fight.
And then they're just pulling them away, these smalls, especially with how tall they would
be, just these short, by their standards face, just going, come on, dad, he's not worth it,
he's not worth it.
You literally have two dads fighting with their children trying to assist, but in a
cool lore way, not just...
Love that with Warhammer though, we're space marines, when it's just space marines you
think, wow, there are these big imposing giants.
And then when a Primarch comes along, it's like, these little guys, what?
That doesn't make any sense.
Little silly fellas.
And Corswain holding on for dear life, just like, oh my god.
They fight for a while more and then the lion decides, you know what, I'm just going to
kill them and then destroys the corridor of the nightlords and mortally wounds Curse in
this like gigachad move.
But Curse is, well, Curse is healed, I guess, by Sevatar, kind of.
And then they go back and Curse stows away on the lion's ship and just starts trolling
for a while and just like killing random people and running around as the lion plays cat and
mouse with them.
Then they go to McCragg, the lion becomes Lord Protector of Imperium Secundus.
And he finds Curse after Curse trolls some more on McCragg or just throughout all of
Ultimaar, I think, or just McCragg.
I don't remember.
I haven't read the book.
I'm not going to lie.
And then he finds him, but he spares him because Curse, he doesn't want to mess with the future.
He becomes his jailer.
Because of this, the Dark Angels don't really go to Terra at all.
They don't really fight.
They get to join in in the big fight in the end.
And they return to Caliban where Luthor is been up to no good, truly.
And all of a sudden, a million billion Dark Angels are on the other side.
And they just fire upon the Dark Angels the moment they get back to Caliban.
And now the Dark Angels are fighting the Dark Angels.
And who is traitor?
I don't know.
Are the Dark Angels traitors?
I don't know.
Kind of sketchy.
I'm not a legendary traitor.
50% of you is a traitor?
Does that make you a traitor?
I don't know.
That's where all the memes come from, I guess.
But then Luthor mortally wounds the lion and gets captured and the fallen gets scattered
throughout the warp and the lion goes to sleep for 10,000 years.
And now he's awake.
The end.
Hell yeah.
The end.
Thanks everyone.
Goodbye.
Now we get Tywin Lannister in his green armour.
Trudging all aggressively at us.
If anyone here has seen Pride and Prejudice, by the way, this will be relevant, I swear.
There's a moment where Mr Darcy walks across an open field and it's meant to be a moment
where he's walking like...
No, no, no, no, no, no, trust me, trust me.
Hold on.
Hold the thread, hold the thread, hold the thread.
He's walking across a field towards whoever the P-Mod character is in the end.
There's a bit where he's just walking like aggressively.
And there's like a shot where I thought that's exactly the movement of what the lion's modeled
right now.
It's just him just like strolling and his hairline is just blowing back aggressively
too.
It's easy.
Yeah.
I have congestion, so I feel like I'm mumbling.
So I apologize to the viewers.
That's okay, man.
Oh, good.
Didn't understand all the way.
I will say though that Judge on None has a very funny video of the watchers in the dark.
The knife emoji ear emoji thing got me to say.
He did what with a what?
We love his channel.
Anyways, off to Andy to enlighten us.
Could I?
Go ahead.
I have something that I want to confirm before I make my stupid comment.
The lion kind of fights instinctually, right?
It's almost like he's reacting to blows by pure instinct.
Like I'm asking, I've read that.
I guess it's similar to how Paterobbo just intuitively knows how to design things.
The lion intuitively knows how to kill things, I guess.
It's something more innate within him, I think, than more.
That's kind of like his Primarch ability.
Like he fights at an instinctual level almost.
It makes sense as well.
If it's the one that all they follow from and he's the first one that all the starties
come from, it's like, I want a good fighter.
That's important.
I want to see artwork of the lion going ultra instinct now.
I might have something commissioned for the future for that.
He goes to fight Anguaron and he gets wrecked because it's demon Anguaron.
And then a violin just starts hammering away in the background.
His hair goes white.
Anything Jojo reference in there, please.
If Gilliman beats Magnus and Mortarion and then the lion loses his Primarch fight, I
won't believe it.
To be fair, Gilliman had a lot of help.
It is true.
The Emperor himself.
Gilliman died when he fought Mortarion.
It's true.
I'm just an insulted chaos player, let's be honest.
Wait, that's my favorite moment in that Gilliman fight where someone points out, I always thought,
why do people dislike the Gilliman Magnus refight and someone said, in the book it says,
and then Gilliman yells a roar and then someone said, wait, aren't they in the vacuum of space?
And others.
Primarch lungs are stronger.
He's been shot into space and survived.
He could do it, I suppose.
I'm pretty sure Logan Grimnart has beat Magnus, so he doesn't really have the best track record.
Yeah.
Harry is also the most OP character in all of lore, probably though, I think.
Whoever wrote Logan Grimnart's lore just freaking loves that guy.
Do you know, do you know, Harak as well in the 31st, I think it's the 31st millennium,
when Magnus assaults the Fang and it's just this guy who's the current Great Wolf and
he gets killed, but he like, massively kills Magnus.
Oh, I know this one, yes.
The authors who wrote Space Wolf lore just made it to make anti-Space Wolf people seethe
and be so angry.
It works.
But Colin loves Space Wolf, what are you talking about?
He's the most knowledgeable shifter.
He's going to fight.
I'm coming to Canada.
He's just going to fight.
He's going to fight.
Oh, the lion, the lion, the lion.
Any other questions, comments, concerns before Andy takes it away?
I'm ready.
Let's do it.
I'm eager.
Lion.
Why are you lying?
Why are you always lying?
All right.
I'm sorry, Vine reference there.
2013.
Right.
We're cutting it short, guys.
We're not doing the expert section.
So let's start from the beginning then.
So Lionel Johnson, before we mention the 40K side of things, I'd just like to mention when
we did our first Primarchs video, Hal mentioned the origin of some of the characters from
the 40K universe.
And Lionel Johnson is based on the English poet known as Lionel Pijo Johnson.
And he was born in 1867 and in 1893, he published a poem called Dark Angel, wink, wink.
A little bit more about this guy.
He died of a cerebral hemorrhage when he was 35 at the Green Dragon Pub on Fleet Street
in London.
Oh.
And that's the origin of the Dark Angels and Lionel Johnson to an extent, at least the
the naming convention, which is like a little fun little fact.
I'm glad.
Okay, Colin.
Go ahead.
Obviously, did not know that's how he passed away.
Geez.
Yeah, he was he was not old.
And he knew Oscar Wilde.
He was his friend.
Then he wasn't because he was a Catholic and there was some kind of dispute.
But I thought at the end of the when I do all the lore, I might also read out the poem
Dark Angel just as a little like reference to the origins of the Lord of the First and
his naming.
I think that'd be quite cool because I've got it here anyway.
And I will have I will warn you now there are quotes for each of you as we go.
Let's do it.
All right.
So 40k lore wise, he grew up on the feudal death world of Caliban.
Now Caliban was teeming.
And I mean, absolutely rife with beasts.
And we're not talking about, you know, pandas.
We're not talking about kangaroos.
We're talking about 10 foot tall dog leopards, anything you could imagine, because they're
not just creatures that chaos spawned.
Baby creatures like imagine, imagine, let's say, what are they called from Ice Age, the
big cats, the saber tooth cat, like a saber tooth cat.
But it's also got like spikes jutting out of its spine and seven claws.
And that's kind of the average beast you might find on Caliban.
They're very bad.
Are you telling me Diego from Ice Age is on Caliban?
What a cameo.
Yo, there's the baby.
So when when the line was a baby, or at least very young, he was spirited to Caliban.
The humans of the world were like cyberpunk knights of the roundtable.
They had power armor, although it wasn't like space marine power wasn't sealed to
survive space.
They didn't have, as far as I'm aware, ships to leave the planet.
They lived in, you know, castles and fought.
They lit places with candles rather than bulbs.
They had pistols similar to bolters, but they couldn't figure out how to make a car.
So they used horses.
It's so cool.
It's a weird thing, but it kind of is very fun to play with the idea.
Go ahead.
It's probably my favorite, like Primark population.
They're freaking cool.
Yeah, pretty cool.
Because it's like that kind of it could only really work in 40k, maybe a handful of and
tries in that regard.
I thought there was a joke here, though, which is like how many nightly orders does it take
to put on a light?
Change of light.
All of them.
Lord.
Well, these nights were known as the Order.
And there was also another band.
The second largest band of Knights was called the Knights of Lupus.
And one day, band of Order Knights were, you know, trying to call the beast to defend their
little village.
And they come across this this this young man, I've seen art depictions where he's like a
teenager.
I've heard some people say he was like a toddler.
It's hard to say, but Lionel Johnson had already for a while in somehow killing the creatures
that stalk the forest because he was living in that like he literally crashed on the planet
and was like, right, gigantic monster, kill it with a rock or something.
I don't know when he's like two years old and he's about four feet tall.
And they find this this guy and they shoot him because they're scared.
Like like you mentioned earlier, Luther and the other Knights are petrified beyond belief
about this this guy more so than the creatures that, you know, eat the settlement people
that they're used to.
And Luther looks into his eyes and goes, hang on, this is a guy.
This is this is a feral child.
And Saul Luther was a well respected respected.
He was probably the most respected Knight in Caliban.
He was like the local legend.
Everyone knew Luther, everyone loved Luther.
And he said to himself, we're going to take this kid in because he's obviously got some
promise as a warrior.
If he's been able to survive out here, we'll take him under our wing and I will raise him
as his foster father.
Now as he took in the lion, he taught him speech.
He taught him to write.
He taught him how to use a sword.
And eventually the lion would grow very quickly into a extremely powerful warrior.
And Saul Luther was already a really capable fighter, but the lion was something else.
Now what happened subsequently to this was he started to get a bit of recognition among
the settlements.
He drove out some of the beasts and eventually Luther would be would be he would he would
talk with the lion and the lion would say I'm I'm fed up of these these beasts.
How about we kill them all?
And if it went, oh, that's a that's a tall order.
We haven't thought about that hasn't come up before.
Yeah, it's probably they haven't done it before because I think the idea of them fighting
that they're just getting by.
But already with the lion in their ranks, they're like, oh, we're pushing them out.
We're starting to reclaim some of the forest just around our settlement.
Wasn't it also just a little bit because obviously there was more than one nightly order, but
obviously the order was like that's like the cool that the cool kids club and it was like
and they I think all the orders started to work together more than that was because the
lions are unifying figure.
Yeah, yeah.
And eventually they start to they talk with some of the other orders of knights and the
lion goes, all right, Luther, I want to I want to enact a crusade.
I want to band all of us humans together.
We'll go out there on force and we will kill every beast in the forest there is.
Now the lion, as we've already mentioned, is not very good at oration.
But Luther, great spokesman, great diplomat, very, very good wordsmith.
And so combined, Luther and the lion, they group all the nights together and say, here's
our plan.
We're going to kill the beast.
It takes him a few years.
But eventually the lion leading the knights of the order and with some aid from the Knights
of Lupus, they kill every one of the beasts more or less.
However, and among them, they slay one of the only two Caliban lions on the planet are
killed by the lion.
And Eli mentioned him, Zahariel El-Zorayas.
He killed the other one.
So they had these two legendary creatures in the wild.
They killed both of them.
You know, RSPCA, World Wildlife WWE, they be shocked.
Also for people listening, if you're new to Warhammer, they're not actually lions.
They are like the lions, the best term for it.
They are humongous, like beast of fang and claw.
Like a lion would be a nice enemy to fight compared to this thing.
Like manticores, right?
I think so.
Yes.
It's about the size of Sith from the Dark Souls game.
The wolf with the sword.
Oh, good reference.
There you go.
God, I love me some Dark Souls.
Well, I mean, lion does give off some Artorias vibe, so it fits.
He's a valiant warrior fighting the Abyss.
Just replace Abyss with Chaos.
Plagiarism!
Is he left handed though?
That's the big thing in Dark Souls.
The sword is on your left hand, which is weird because most of the stuff is right handed
in game.
But then again, his other arm is broken.
Well, yeah, he had a shield that's just also, yeah, his arm kind of got broke.
And I like that in Dark Souls, if you equip it in the left slot, it has a different weapon
set than the right.
Oh yeah.
You can't do a special move and then if you put it in the left hand, you can do this like
jumping spinny attack.
Little details.
Can you get the, you know, the broken one and the reforged one, wasn't it?
Like one of them had like part of the cross guard broken off and no one had like a fixed
version.
This is, this is a while back.
This is 2011.
This is a while back for us.
I think it made a re-recurrence in Dark Souls 2 as well as a different weapon name, but
yeah.
It did come back in 3 as well.
Oh, nice.
I love me Dark Souls.
Anyway, so yeah, Artorias, Artorias' tragic story behind us.
So then the lion with the Knights of the Order, they managed to slay every beast practically
on Caliban.
However, the Knights of Lupus, the next biggest order of Knights were trying to tame the beasts
and utilize them to kill the beast.
They were basically trying to harness the beast.
Then the lion took one look at this and went, nah mate, if you're going to get rid of this
corruption, you have to kill it at the source.
You can't manipulate it, which is very in keeping with what he would do in the future
by rejecting chaos and going, no, you can't, you can't have a little sip of it.
No, no, you have to, you have to abstain.
You have to be sober from the, from the call of chaos.
And eventually the Knights of Lupus would be wiped out by the lion and the order.
They would kill them to a man.
And shortly after some Astarte sent by the emperor would discover Caliban specifically
during 846.M30 the emperor would meet with a lion.
The lion would be installed as the leader of the first Legion, which he would dub the
dark angels named after a myth of Caliban legend, also referencing the poem.
And with that, I would like to go through our first quote of the episode.
Does anyone, does anyone want to flex their Malkador muscles?
I don't think I'm very good at Malkador, but I can give it a try.
Is that right boys?
Should I give it a go?
Yeah, by all means.
I'll probably read it a little bit straight.
Of all the Primarchs, save perhaps Mortarion, Lionel Johnson stands apart.
Partially this is due, partially this is due to his taciturn nature.
A brooding silence hangs over him at all times.
Yet there is something more, something buried beneath his noble exterior.
Perhaps this is a result of his upbringing, growing to maturity alone in the monster ridden
forests of Caliban.
Even at a council of war, the lion moves like an apex predator.
He is always watching, always planning, always hunting.
He unnerves even his brothers.
Very nice.
Damn Malkador.
He's a big fan.
He's very Orphorian as well.
He's very much the Merlin to the lions, well to the emperors I suppose, King Arthur to
an extent.
The wizened old man with the strange hood.
Anyway, so continuing on from there, the lion would then take his knights of the order and
they would undergo the surgeries to become Astartes of the Legiones Astartes.
Dark angels had already accrued a reputation during the Great Crusade because like their
namesake would suggest as the first, they were the first legion to be put to culling
the enemies of the Imperium across the stars.
They had incredibly powerful weapons from the Dark Age of Technology.
They had developed the Hexagramaton which was six different, what would you call them,
organizations within the legion which specialized in different acts of war.
And at the time because there were no other legions for a time, it wouldn't be called
the first, they would be called the Angels of Death or the Six Hosts.
That's kind of cool because that's obviously, again for new people, the Angels of Death
is kind of the nickname for all Space Marines now isn't it?
It's like a kind of recurring theme.
Did it come from the Dark Angels then?
Yep.
They even had like, I'll see if I can find an image to send for this part of the episode,
but there was actually an image of what their banner used to look like and it's like a skeleton
with a cowl and everything.
Again because the Emperor was this monolithic figure, they were known as his Angels of Death
because they would descend from the heavens and they would kill you.
So yeah, that's where the, it also I suppose was easy for them, like oh we've already got
half the name in our new name, that's easy.
It won't take long to remember that.
Did it come from the part where the Thunder Warriors, I don't know if I'm getting too
far ahead here, the Thunder Warriors got culled didn't they?
I think it might have been then when they were called Angels of Death.
I might be totally wrong, this is probably a law crime.
They were involved, because again they were the only Legion to start with, they were the
ones who first started culling the Thunder Warriors alongside possibly Alpharius in their
midst according to his knowledge and the custodies and they were the ones that Ushatan, the Primarch
of the Thunder Warriors referred to as, they fight like they're constipated, which is one
of my favourite lines in 40k.
Because they fought like wolves didn't they?
Because they said the Thunder Warriors fought like bears, beers?
Bears.
The French bear.
So the Astartes, they were a little smaller but they would attack them in groups and they
would literally like wolves tearing down a bear.
That's really cool.
Eli's already mentioned that one of the first compliances of the Dark Angels with the Lion
at their helm would be the Soroshi people.
They came to the Imperium with open arms saying, yes let us join your flock, have you met our
gods and then the White Scars had already been trying to sort things out and they basically
threw their hands up and went to the Dark Angels like, look these guys are weird, we're
bouncing can you sort it out?
And the Lion went to see what was going on.
Turns out they were worshipping the ruinous powers, they didn't know that at the time.
They snuck a nuke on board the Dark Angels flagship known as the Invincible Reason and
tried to blow everyone up.
And the thing was like Eli said before, Luthor at this time is now, he's gone from being
the big cheese of Caliban to like the soft brie.
He's still respected.
There you go.
It's tough.
He's still respected.
Everyone still likes him but he's now, he's been usurped in his renown by his adoptive
son which is weird because he started out as his father, now he's more like a brother
and he's also a subordinate.
So he's had this massive dynamic shift in his personality with how he treats himself
with the Lion and the Legion.
Luthor's also got a bit of a inferiority complex with regards to how he became an Astartes
in quotes because like Eli mentioned, similar to Cor Phaeron, he was too old to become a
proper Astartes so they just did these surgeries on him to make him kind of like Iate Astartes,
like Astartes liked, you know it's you know.
Dire Astartes.
Yeah he's a bit shorter, he's not quite as strong, he's still a really powerful and capable
warrior but you know those two characters in particular, Luthor and Cor Phaeron, you
see the two dynamics where Cor Phaeron is treated like he doesn't deserve the position
of being first captain and he's just an old fool and Luthor it's more like oh he's like
oh we respect him, he's like our father figure but he's kind of, he's not as strong as the
rest of us but we respect him and that's quite an interesting dynamic in 40k that no other
characters really have for the most part.
There aren't many I can think of who've had that not quite an Astartes transition.
I imagine.
No R Jack Rockfist but that's the 41st millennium and he's built like a brick shithouse so it
doesn't count.
I imagine really like you know King Leonidas and the Spartans except you know at the hot
gates Hercules is there.
Yeah.
No one's going to pay attention to Leonidas because Hercules is right there, I imagine
he's like there with him on the lion.
Like someone got a bit upstaged.
A little bit yeah.
Poor Luthor though, he would have been like a man of legend if the, of his time, if the
lion hadn't been there.
There is a passage in one of the books that says he would have been the single most important
person in Caliban's history if it wasn't for the lion so he permanently lived in the lion's
shadow at the peak of his prime which is a bit sad but then again bruh you got to like
travel the stars, you got some cool armour, chill out.
You got a nice goatee, why ruin things?
Okay.
So they find this bomb aboard their ship and Luthor divers.
He goes and because he takes a while to figure out what he's going to do Zaharil eventually
he's with him he says bruh we need to kick this off the ship.
They kick it off the ship and it's close enough to damage the ship and cost some lives, do
some damage.
If they'd have just chucked it out straight away it would have been free and clear, no
damage, no problems and that's kind of why the lion is annoyed at Luthor because he's
like old man, you knew about the bomb, how come it took you so long to kick it out of
the, out of the, out of the, why did you hesitate?
Yeah why did you hesitate, like kicking it out the front door?
And so for his lapse of judgement Zaharil, Luthor and 200 Astartes of the Dark Angels
as punishment would be sent to be garrisoned on Caliban and oversee the recruitment of
new Astartes which is why there's so many fallen in the future because they were recruiting
them and Luthor is very good at running things.
He's like a mini-Gilman in that regard, he's got a good oration, good organisation, he's
a good leader, he's respected so he got loyalty down and that's why there's so many fallen.
Imagine if, like replace one of the, I don't know, some magical pretend 40k, replace like
one of the traitor Primarchs, like Fulgrim, no offence Eli, I know Fulgrim's cool, I like
him too, not, not very helpful towards the end of the heresy.
Imagine replace like Fulgrim with like Luthor as a Primarch, you'd be like wow they have
actually a lot more stuff going for him now, Luthor's actually awesome, it's just a shame
he wasn't born the son of god.
Imagine if the lion and Gilman swap places and the lion was raised by Connor and Luthor
raised Gilman.
I have an interesting, I want to ask Colin about this comparison because I don't know
if it's right but maybe Emperor Justinian and the commander Belisarius from history,
do you know what I'm talking about?
Yeah like Justinian of the Byzantines?
Yeah because general Belisarius is kind of that, like he was the more like impressive
character even though Justinian was emperor and there's kind of a relation, I saw like
the sort of similarities there where even though like Justinian's technically like they
wouldn't, they have like a similar.
Oh yeah because Belisarius took Rome back for a bit didn't he?
Yeah he like defended, I mean he was all over the place to be honest, he had like a decorated
history and then Justinian's just sitting there in constant and over being like come
on poke the bear, like come on do stuff.
That might be a connection but I feel like that also might just be a coincidence in this
case, you're right 20 Primarchs, some of them are gonna come across as having this connection
but that is, if it is a coincidence that is a very interesting one.
I thought it was a cool comparison.
That is, no.
Bit of history there for you brothers.
Very neat, thank you.
Continuing on, so the lion then continued the great crusade leading the first legion
and over time Luthor got more and more resentful because all he ever heard was oh the lion's
done this cool campaign, he won, oh the emperor patted the lion on the head, oh look the lion,
the lion's so cool, that's all he ever heard while he was stuck on Caliban like twiddling
his thumbs going I want to be out there doing my own glories, I want to bring honour to
the legion.
I do have a question, the lion's obviously, this is the great crusade era, 200 years of
fighting, did the lion, because his personality is quite mysterious, obviously this is like
most of the stories are always told from Luthor's side, is the lion like quite prideful of his
victories because Horus was very much like oh my victories, it's hard to read the lion.
I think he saw himself as above everyone, he was on a whole other level.
So he was the big brother of the Primarchs, he was the one like I set the tone, I set
the pace, that's why he was so annoyed when the legion, he got given the legion, they
were scattered everywhere because he was supposed to be like the biggest, ballsiest legion and
now you're all over the place and he had to like group them together and go right boys,
let's start from the beginning again, let's do it properly and again his bid to become
war master shows his personality of he wants to be the one who, he doesn't want to be
emperor but he wants to be the one who gets things done and is like stoic, stalwart, defender
of humanity, the guy who goes out there and kills all the things that mean harm to humanity.
It's funny because just very briefly, the only parts I have read of the lion is there
was the book where, it's his Primarch book where he speaks to the emperor and even though
he's not necessarily ambitious, his conversations with the emperor are really interesting, like
if you're new to Warhammer again, all the Primarchs are generally considered like facets
of the emperor, the lion when they talk, they actually don't speak much because generally
they're thinking the same thing and it's really eerie, they're considered in temperament,
the lion is closest, he doesn't really look like the emperor, apparently the Lord God
does but he has no hair because he's evil and bald.
He got that cultious alopecia.
The lion's definitely got that Niccolo Machiavelli style leadership of, you know, cruel when
I have to be and then he's very gentle.
He's most emperor-like but I don't really know what that really means to be honest.
I mean he's very good at war, of all the Primarchs he's one of the best at war, so good that
whenever he did joint campaigns he would usually flare up the egos of his brothers because
he's known, like the lion doesn't have a sense of humour, he is very serious, he doesn't
crack jokes, he hates any attacks on his pride, like for example we, Eli mentioned a little
while ago, on the planet of Dullan, Leman Ross and the lion joined their legions, the
space walls and the dark angels to bring the world into compliance.
Now the planetary governor of Dullan called Leman Ross a name of some sort, we don't know
exactly what it was, he just said oh look a smelly wolf or something and this really
annoyed Leman Ross and so he vowed to kill him himself.
So they stage this big siege, they get to the headquarters of this planetary governor,
Leman Ross kicks in the doors only to find the lion has just cut his head off already
and Russ is really annoyed because he was like bruh I told that, bruh I told you I was
gonna, you stole, kill steal, kill steal, he did that call of duty thing.
He got the assist and so the two of them had a brawl in the planetary governor's like,
autress and it lasted an entire day of them just like hitting each other with their swords
then punching each other, blah blah blah and then eventually Leman Ross kind of goes
haha I'm gonna have a laughing fit because look how silly this is, here we are the sons
of the emperor and we've been reduced to having a punch up and then the lion goes oh is that,
are you taking the piss?
And he just decks him, while the lion's distracted he's just mocking him, he knocks him out and
then he just goes right, we're leaving straight away.
So when the lion, when the wolf king wakes up the dark angels have already gone, he's
like what, what is this and that's why whenever the dark angels and the space wolves meet
up they appoint a champion and they have an honor duel as a mark of respect to the one
done by their Primarchs all those years ago.
He's an honor bound warrior who punches his friends over his pride, he really is just
a saiyan isn't he?
Yeah, so like we mentioned he was a candidate for war master, he was one of the three obvious
picks but he didn't get the job because he has no charisma, he is not good with people
and when it comes to ruling the Imperium Horus was renowned not just for his ability as a
general with the most, like the most venerated legion but he was also good with people, whether
it was Astartes, Primarchs or the lowliest serf, he was always good to people and so
that's why he didn't get the job.
And for the remainder of the great crusade leading up to the Horus obviously there's
not much about what he did but when the Horus heresy did kick off Horus knew he had to keep
the dark angels away as long as possible.
The dark angels and the ultramarines were by far the biggest threat to the Horus heresy
failing, so of all the priorities the war master had he had to stop the lion and the
dark angels getting anywhere near his rebellion.
What was the, wasn't it like the dark angels were, is he more afraid of Giliman Horus technically
because he has the largest legion?
He has the biggest empire yeah.
The dark angels got reduced didn't they because of the rangdan?
The rangdan xenocides yeah.
But also before the lion reunited with his legion they got a bit big headed and they
took casualties and then they would like throw themselves into the fray out of pride and
that was kind of the big problem with the dark angels they were by and large the most
powerful legion right from the gate and then their pride just whittled them down until
the lion got in charge and went oi stop that it was as I say and kind of rallied them to
properly be a legion again.
Kind of like a knight's pride is like a slight has to be answered.
Kind of ironically like leaving us a bit there but that's probably where they wouldn't back
down like in war obviously there's you don't stay in a situation where you're losing or
you know sometimes you need to retreat whereas the dark angels are a bit more like yeah we
were just jumping to the meat grinder and be like we do not fail we will win no matter
the cost.
They do win but they cost a lot yeah.
And they had the best gear as well they had all the best toys and it got to their head.
So yeah during the Horus heresy the timeline states that the lion figured out what was
going on with the heresy just after Istvan III.
So Istvan III happens Horus culls all the loyalists within the ranks of the sons of
Horus empress children world eaters and death guard and then the you know the news gets
out that Horus has betrayed the Imperium.
So the lion first goes to Diomatt and he goes to secure these Ordonartus weapons platforms
as three of them and these are really really really really big machines of war that could
turn the tide of a war and he goes we need these to stop the traitors right out of the
gate let's get these off the board.
Unfortunately he's he's met with the Primarch of the Iron Warriors Perderabo and Perderabo
goes oh hey those betrayal figures crazy right.
I always knew you should have been war master.
Yeah he goes you know what you should have been look at this disgrace that Horus has
turned out to be I always said you should have been war master.
I've got an idea how about you give me the Ordonartus weapons I'll use them you know
you've got to go and face Horus I can put them to better use in the in the back lines
you know don't worry I'll take care of it.
So the lion gives him the Ordonartus weapons because the the Lord of Iron promises to endorse
him as the war master when the Emperor inevitably wins and promotes a new Primarch to the rank
of war master because the lion believes if he naively believes oh the Emperor is going
to kill Horus and I'll be the new war master and that's all that's going through his mind
at the time.
So the Iron Warriors go to Istvan V with the Ordonartus weapons they don't use them there
but they keep hold of them while the Dark Angels you know muster at diamat and they
attempt to go to holy terror to reinforce the throne world until they are trapped I
believe by the ruin storm.
Now I've got another quote here and this is from the lion's own mouth Eli Colin which
of which of you would like to say this one.
I can take it unless Eli you're you're raring to go.
You can you can do it.
All right I'm hit me up.
I will teach them the fear the darkness in which they dwell and to tread the shadows
they believe their allies for there is no greater terror haunting the Stygian void than
the lion of Caliban.
Not just the power of Magash come on this is so arrogant.
And then he helped Johnson all over the place.
He lioned all over my Johnson.
Oh that's even worse.
That's actually that's definitely worse.
Good night everybody.
John do see.
Oh stop it.
Nice to stop.
Okay before things devolve further so now we're getting on to the Framas Crusade era
which is basically the entire Dark Angels involvement of the Horus heresy for the most
part.
So Horus is now going okay.
Everyone knows I've turned traitor.
The lion is going to must he's mustered a diamond.
He's coming over will close will close off the galaxy when he's gotten through like this
point will trap you know the word bearers will trap ultra mar the ultramarines blood
angels dark angels everyone with the rune storm.
Cool.
They're going to get through eventually.
I need to distract them.
So in the wake of Istvan five dropsite massacre the war master goes curse do you mind do me
a favor.
Could you just go in mess with the dark angels and curse being a dick he just goes fine that
sounds good.
I like doing that.
I'll go and troll the dark angels and that's all he does for three years.
He just goes to the Framas Crusade the crime I six fisted the system and harasses the
dark angels.
This happens for three years.
It takes three years almost three years for the dark angels to finally you know get back
into the main part of the war effort.
There's a point at the culmination of the night angels and night angels night laws and
dark angels fighting where they they parlay and the two Primarchs meet each other to see
if they can just you know I love this moment include good.
So both Primarchs meet each other with two of their like seconds.
I believe curse has Sevatar and is it Shang.
Shang is a yeah.
Shang Shang his equity I think that query.
Yeah and course and course Wayne accompanies the lion which is his paladin is Seneschal
and Allahos who I believe is the original first chapter master of the dark angels who's
been there since the beginning.
Long story short course Wayne says that Jago Sevatarians mum slept with pigs or something
along those lines to try and rile him up.
Curse says yeah you're lying you're rubbish I can't even warm master and they have a big
fight cause is one of the best fighters of all the Primarchs he's really good at scraps
and like mentioned earlier he nearly kills the lion.
Course Wayne after Allahos is slain by the other two nightlords course Wayne like impales
through the spine he backstabs him with the entirety of his sword then gets swatted aside
like a fly and then eventually the nightlords dark angels en masse rush to their defense
and they pull them from the battle.
There's a really cool moment in it isn't there where they're both speaking because the only
reason they're meeting is because Curse says the only reason I'm allowing this to happen
is because I chose this meeting and the lion even says I don't know if I'm quoting it correctly
but I think he says I once thought of you as my closest brother no one else grew up
alone but there's something because they both grew up like literally not seeing humans or
Curse saw humans but he kind of devoured them rather than spoke to them.
They're the most primal Primarchs shall we say.
And they're just primal Primarchs.
They just grew up in the wilderness alone and then the lion says you have to forgive
me and Curse goes what and he just literally stabs him for this dishonorable blow.
Yeah yeah he starts off with like again he's honorable but he's not beyond like I need
to get this done and that's kind of one of his things.
He also doesn't understand he still doesn't actually know why the heresy has happened
he doesn't yeah but the actual chaos part is not really revealed he just thinks it's
yeah like civil war he doesn't realize there's another element to it yet the lion.
He thinks it's just like humans versus humans we're gonna defraud the Emperor.
He doesn't realize that Horus has been corrupted or anything he says oh he's just turned he's
a traitor yuck.
Just despite being a man who likes to keep secrets and doesn't share much even if he
wanted to.
Yeah so the the Nightlords retreat and they do this a lot the Nightlords retreat dark
angels then busy themselves on the planet of Parditas which is during 0 0 8 point M
31 there's a conflict going on between the Iron Hands and the Death Guard led by Calus
Typhon.
Now again lion doesn't know about chaos he doesn't know why they're fighting he doesn't
know what's going on but he he he claims he takes away an ancient device from the Death
Guard Death Guard called the Tuchulcha engine which is we mentioned briefly before but it's
like a it's like a weird child astropath trifecta of beings.
Dark Angel of technology sort of yeah ancient really weird device tech.
It's a MacGuffin essentially.
Yeah yeah but it allows the Dark Angels to create temporal rifts for their ships to transport
themselves through space and time.
So they they enhance their walk jumping capabilities and they manage to travel through the warp
but as soon as they get through the warp they get their first instance of dealing with the
immaterium and demons swarm the Dark Angels fleet.
Now they're already a little bit battered from the Framas crusade opening stages and
now they've got demons everywhere and at this point the Council of Nikea has decreed
no librarians there are naughty and you know they're trying to shoot the demons it's
not doing much they're stabbing them with swords which is working it better.
The lion goes we could we could use some librarians this seems like their kind of thing.
No weird wibbly wobbly space dust thingies.
We need we need our boys in the hoods and so he goes let's just let's just this once
let's just make the librarians a thing again and Chaplain Nemiel who is an OG from the
old night order days alongside his cousin Zahariel says I'm sorry there dad.
Jimmy Space said no no to psychers in the in the legion of Astartes as heresy.
So the lion back hands him and like upon striking him in the helmet like decapitates him just
goes like oh and then he just like severs his head he goes no my decision never talk
back to daddy and he just decapitates him with like his fist.
The first disloyal Dark Angel.
Oh yeah but it but again like I know it's one of the main contentious issues people
have with the lion who don't like him they say he he he was just saying like no we shouldn't
he doesn't he doesn't try to shoot the lion he just goes no the Emperor said this was
a bad buff oh Nemiel's dead.
Okay and he also is in like the first Dark Angels book it's from the perspective of Zahariel
and Nemiel as they're like growing up on Taliban and then they become Astartes so it's quite
an interesting thing that he's a really interesting character and then he gets bumped off in the
next Dark Angels but oh well there goes Nemiel and within the war the lion is confronted
by a greater demon known as Kairos Fateweaver who attempts to to turn the lion to the traitor
cause of chaos to which the lion he responds by impaling the the Fateweaver with his sword
and Kairos Fateweaver is a singed demon he's all about he knows the future etc and I believe
the the lion quips while he's impaled the demon he says did you foresee that coming
and then pulls the sword and it's like so sassy.
He also can't corrupt him can he can he because there's nothing there was something about
they couldn't offer him anything like chaos couldn't offer him anything because the only
thing the lion wanted was to serve the Emperor.
Yeah because I know Dawn is in his nature he's physically incorruptible like there's
just nothing you can do to to switch Dawn it's like one of his character traits but
the lion there's just nothing in it for him like he could possibly potentially he could
be changed but like there's no reason for him to like what am I gonna do like betray
the Emperor the guy who I've done all this work for who I want to appoint me as the new
War Master doesn't make sense so he's like no sword in the gut impale you in the heart
if you're having a conversation you disagree with you can always impale your foe with your
sword don't take that advice that's not.
You heard it here first on War Cards.
If you go to the office and someone's giving you lip bring your sword bring your tip.
Moving on quickly from Howe's horrendous comments they they managed to travel to Sagualza which
is also I believe inside the Framass sector and once again the Night Lords like a Saturday
Night you know cartoon villain pop up to to combat the Dark Angels and like I mentioned
earlier they lose a quarter of their fleet in the engagement so big big L for the for
the Night Lords as a last desperate means of like resolving the war in their favor a
attempt to board the invincible reason so Kers grabs his Atra Mentar the first company
Diego Sepertarians by his side and they just go let's go kill the lion on his bridge that's
that's the best thing we can do I was horribly wrong they apart from Kers everyone who boarded
the vengeful spirit gets either killed or captured including Jago Sepertarian and the
Night Lords fleet retreats before they get even more battered and Kers just just starts
roaming the vengeful spirit and harassing the Dark Angels while they're in the mess
hall etc it's quite funny when you think you know that like cartoon with the the puppets
with something he's on the walls he's got them walls that's that's Kers at this point
in the story an actual nightmare and after that because the Ruin Storm is still preventing
the Dark Angels from getting anywhere fast they they hear that Rabutei Gilman Primarch
of the ultramarines is making a contingent empire because the the loyalists on this side
of space they don't realize what's going on outside the Ruin Storm they're not getting
any communications and they're starting to worry maybe the Emperor's dead like lion's
been fighting for three years against the Night Lords they've been stuck in this place
where they can't do anything they're like three years is a long time we already know
there were four traitor legions they might have gotten to terror and killed dad so Gilman
says I know we'll make a second empire just as a contingency called Imperium Secundus
and the blood angels are there the Dark Angels there the ultramarines are there with their
Primarchs Sanguinus becomes the Emperor-elect, Gilman becomes the Lord Commander and the
lion becomes Lord Protector so you've kind of got the a triumvirate the King the administrator
and the executioner almost and at this point Kers looks at ultramarines goes oh this is
ripe for a little bit of murder and he escapes the ventral spirit so as soon as the Dark
Angels meet Gilman it's like oh by the way we've accidentally unleashed Kers upon your
home world sorry about that which he kept secret because the lion doesn't tell anybody
anything yeah he doesn't doesn't tell him until the bodies start piling up like this
looks a lot like something Kers would do and lion's like oh Gilman was pissed he was very
cross he was so he was not happy with the lion they don't get on to be honest which
will be interesting yeah in the future oh that's why the new the new reveal of him
retiring is gonna be so interesting because they already they already had a fracturous
relationship um they don't just like each other they're just very they have different
methods and uh very that's where they can be different they can conflict there isn't
the quote when they meet up it's like Gilman's like uh have you come to censor me for what
i've done like leave him yeah he's instantly on the defensive yeah or for for doing something
there he's like did you think i've turned traitor in the lines like oh Gilman you've
done something much worse yeah he he's instantly like oh the lion's come to tell me off i'm
trying to do something good and the lion's like big brother is coming over to give me
a spank you know um sometimes the oldest you need to beat the shit out of your younger
siblings all right all right my family so i disagree wholeheartedly with that oh god
this is our youngest child i'm the oldest this is the youngest child we call him Vic
short for victim oh no um anyway so with with with curse absolutely causing catastrophic
death and destruction across mccragge lion is tasked with right it's your your problem
your lord protector sort it out so he goes and tries to apprehend him several times as
messes up uh alexis pollux and the uh the the the pharaoh's project to an extent on
mccragge he tries to kill gilman's mom he does all sorts of stuff um long story short
eventually uh the lion manages to capture curse he finally gets to like in chains and
go right set you to trial uh he takes him before sanguineous and uh gilman and an assemblage
of people in a court uh curse starts telling gilman oh did you know that the lion bombarded
your own citizens to try and flush me out and stuff and gilman's like what and they
come to blows almost uh gilman takes the lion sword from uh lion althonsen and breaks it
across his knee um and with that action says right imperium secundus is over get out and
before the lion can actually depart from ultramar he he has uh curse in uh he he leaves curse
with sanguineous to be executed and he's like i don't know there's something bugging me
and he realizes that curse before he's being executed kept going no this isn't how i'm
supposed to die i'm supposed to be killed by the emperor's assassin and the lion goes
well if it's the emperor's assassin the the emperor must be alive oh and then he goes
to like stop sanguineous and gilman from killing curses like wait wait wait wait he can see
into the future you can see into the future you've told me that you're going to die but
that at the hands of horus you've told me that the emperor's assassin tries to kill
you we've got to try and get to terror dad's still alive and then the three of them like
a like a weird road trip movie assemble their legions and prepare to try and breach the
ruin storm now before we go any further uh eli i have a quote for you this uh this encapsulates
the lion's uh the lion's interactions with uh rebute gilman are you ready i am indeed
sir here you go oh yeah insult me again brother and theoretically i will punch you in your
practical face
that's amazing that's funny i like that as much as i like gilman that's better you know
i think that's the second time gilman's been like just completely clowned on like verbally
by i think lorgar was like have you lost your temper during calp and gilman says or like
got him like a fish and lorga just goes you have lost your temper yeah it's interesting
as well because when they uh when they meet on mccrag the gilman actually says to the
lion like when they're forming imperium secundus he says i need to stop thinking about the
uh the symbol the lion because he says he admits like all of them are a little bit intimidated
by him and his legend because the lion is definitely the oh i thought that's like the
older brother who goes to college and then he's like come back a different person it's
like you know me like you kind of go he comes back when the house is on fire and goes what's
been going on since i've been gone so uh it's funny that we're all intimidated by him and
then he just says i'm gonna punch you in your practical face it's like oh that's that's
definitely not intimidating now i know you're human and uh that's one of my favorite quotes
um and with that yeah and also the dark angels um and the ultramarines and the blood angels
with that book it's it's interesting seeing how they interact because they don't let the
blood angels get on all right with the the ultramarines there's a few space wars they're
like oh they're annoying but they're here and there's a couple of white scars and then
the dark angels turn up and they're like shifty guys i don't like them um anyway so the free
prime arcs and their legions they go to darvin which is where horus was first corrupted and
they manage to find answers with they they have like curse chained uh and they kind of
like all four of them journey to like the temple where horus was first corrupted by
chaos and they go oh what's going on they trigger the the the the planet or the it's
the moon of darvin the moon to do to destroy itself after they visit and there's loads
of demons and everything's going wrong and sanguineous knows i've got to get to terror
that's where i'm fated to die but i've got to try and kill horus um with uh the aid of
gilliam and the lion they managed to to make a very brief gap in the ruin storm for the
blood angels fleet to pass through they managed to get sanguineous through the like great
tanguinius is going to make it to holy terror much faster than we are acubags everyone we're
going to terror now the ultramarines fighting horus is terrifying enough the ultramarines
with the dark angels is the two least damaged legions come into to clap their traitor war
effort and um if they'd have not been prevented from getting to uh to terror by the ruin storm
or slowed down by it it would have easily just dominated the traitors um but by the
time the dark angels and line there are a few dark angels fighting on the seat of terribly
like coarse wane i think they were like an advanced party but when the lion brings his
full might to holy terror it's too late the um the emperor has already been interred upon
the golden throne everything is dreadful the war master is dead i guess is dead zanguineous
is dead yeah um is dread late oh and the lion's thinking oh there goes my job application i'm
never going to be war master now um this is the most pressing concern i have pretty much
my job security is unclear i think so he doesn't he roam the halls of terror like just screaming
in rage he's very upset about it um because he fails again because again think about like imagine
again like a job imagine if you gave everything to a job like let's say 50 i gave 50 years to my job
and then all of a sudden it just went bankrupt and it's like no job security it's over and you're
like no what the hell my retirement he's been 20 years going for a job and then the headquarters
gets glassed by the covenant that's probably how um the inhabitants of reach felt like i've just
done a startup wait what's that in the sky oh i'm just joining the marines i'm so excited slip
space rupture detector just that non-stop for like 10 minutes just like slips case you slip slip slip
and just ship ship ship ship ship oh no yeah um so anyway the sulky lion uh he goes oh i've had
enough of this i need to clear my head i'm gonna go back to caliban i'm gonna think about what's
happened i need i need i need i need a moccaccino and i need to just sit in my study on caliban
and figure out what to do i need a gap here and the lion goes back to caliban the the entirety
of the horus heresy for the most part luther's been like doing some things here and there like
he he hides the death guard from coarse wane's fleet when the when the the seneschal of the lion
is trying to hunt down callus typhon's fleet which he he sneakily goes oh we'll make an alliance with
the smelly fly man that's okay before he's too smelly and he's been doing little things here
and there but the main thing he's been doing is fortifying caliban so as soon as the lion gets
back they just gun them out of the sky so the lion's already not having a good time and he comes back
to his home world only to as soon as he appears be fired upon and he goes what is this and so the lion
takes his death god death wing he takes the raven wing he takes every wing of every feather of every
wing down to caliban to see what's going on and stop them from shooting him and the lion finds luther
within the fortress monastery of aldoruk which is the fortress monastery of caliban and he is changed
he's bitter he's he's taller in stature and he's emanating power because deep within i believe the
vaults of caliban's fortress monastery he's found a book of chaos he's been having a quick bit of
bedtime reading every now and then and he has been chosen by chaos to be one of their champions
and surprisingly in the ensuing duel the lion gets defeated by luther he gets bested by his
his former foster father but before luther can bring himself to kill the lion he he has a moment
of realization he goes what was the point what am i doing he's my son i'm an idiot and he he stays
his hand and the the the everyone's favorite little um 40k jowers the watch is in the dark
a they they they they reveal themselves to luther and they're like well this is a bit of a pickle
and he goes yeah you're telling me and they take the lion and they they hide him deep deep within
the fortress monastery and they put him in a deep slumber now one thing that's been confirmed with
the reveal of the lion coming back he wasn't put in stasis like gilliam and he was put in a stasis
coffin he was basically like frozen kind of like austin powers but better looking or hans solo or
hans solo and carbonite a lion was put in a slumber which is not the same thing so he's been gradually
aging and that's why he looks so old that's why he's an tywin lannister that's why he is charles
dance um i like it though i think it looks cool though yeah it's good i like it i really like the
design he looks i hate i hate his design and like on the cover of ruinstorm where he's got like
like a weird like shaven head thing going on he looks a bit pudgy like what is this
where's his long flowing locks that's that's rubbish um and anyway um so yeah for luther is um is he
now goes i'm gonna reject chaos i don't want any of that chaos stuff anymore he races 95 thesis
yes the nails are to kill them in store
and yeah like chaos are not happy about luther going um returned to send all my chaos powers
and so they they have a hissy fit and they go right warp storm it is and they send a warp storm
to destroy caliban uh caliban is destroyed and yet alder rook manages to survive and deep within
alder rook uh luther is imprisoned the lion is kept in secret by the watches in the dark slumbering
and the dark angels manage to build a vessel out of the corpse the husk of caliban known as the rock
which is one of the biggest vessels in 40k it rivals the phalanx which is the imperial fist's
big ship from the dark age of technology it's huge it's kind of ugly but you know it's big it's a big
ship um craft world for humans it's like a weird like like imperium space hulk almost it's weird
i guess space hulk is a better word yeah well either way um so luther is now um very much a
traitor in the eyes of the dark angels so for a 10 millennia they they torture him um it's not for
like a full 10 000 they kind of put him in like a a weird time prison where for him it feels like a
week and like if you if you read or listen to his uh book luther um there's like several supreme
grand masters of the dark angels like check in with him and he keeps going like oh there's another
one must have died there's a new one now and they keep asking him questions and interrogating him
and for what feels like a week for him has been a thousand years and one of them comes down and
says right so why did you betray the lion that's not a very that's not a very sane thing to do is
it mate what are you thinking and um until eventually azrael was like all right i'm the new guy um
not really sure what to think about you our records are not very well kept and eventually um
a fallen angel uh army invade the rock and they managed to break luther free so he's now out of
jail he's somewhere at large in the galaxy and very recently very recently a lion has awoken
from his very long 10 000 years number and he is not happy um he is not armed with the lion sword
but he has a new one and he's got the emperor's shield and he now stalks the galaxy hunting the
forces of chaos he is already being revered among little backwater worlds as the cowled giant or
the unforgiving knight and from there we'll have to wait and see what happens with the lion
any predictions fellas i have a theory that he's not gonna properly return but more be like a
wandering uh kind of in it there's a there's a thing about they've already mentioned where
his presence is like like creepy like wooded thorn and vines like sprout from where he is
so i reckon he's become somewhat more it like you know the botches in the dark they're not
really warp creatures there's something about that and he's a little bit more athurian legend
so he's so he's a what so he's a wood elf now basically reminds me a lot of fenris
he's a homeworld has its own weird like magical stuff so they're making him worse
well one thing i was wondering um we know about the um the great rift the sycatrix maledictum
is it going to be lion on one side and rebute on the other i'm not exactly sure where
a split is between caliban i kind of hope they don't do that because i like that they put dante
who is i mean he took the primaris upgrade but he is by all accounts just a regular space marine
i kind of hope they don't just give it to the lion because otherwise it's like oh cool so
so the space so he just like he just smacks dante goes i'm in charge now just because just
because primaris by their nature just kind of overshadow everyone else which like you know
luther we talked about that so i kind of hope that the lion if he's not exactly like you said how
he's he's much more like a mobile response unit where he just goes around dealing with problems
dispatching the lion task force yeah rather than like yeah i'm in charge now everyone
i just thought before he's like the dog the bounty hunter of 40k it even looks like in a little bit
he's just roaming the galaxy like i'm taking you to justice i have one last thing to wrap up on
colin who wins the lion or the green knight from what i'm a fantasy the lion the lion
uh i mean i don't know i do like giles lebron is the only one that i like
like gui dipitone i'm not the least uh he's the least protoning of all the protonians
yeah and and as i've said helps he's dead and the only good protoning is a dead one
wow uh there were i did have a few things i'd like to end off on if everyone is okay with
that go for it go for it fair enough one i would just like to say i love his many uh the last like
few years i feel like gw's had a bit of a problem with 40k and that the minis are a tad over designed
like space brains have a habit of being more purity seal and highlights than actual armor
uh but the lion is not your purity seals yeah yeah but the lion's armor is you know it has stuff on
it he's a primarch but it's very like not barren but it's not like a nightmare or yeah it's very
clean it's very pristine it's very like spartan and there's very nice things like there's
incorporation of a bit of the fallen color pattern there's a bit of the caliban one
there's the there's the swords there's the cowl there's the helmet there's all these things to
make there's a little bit of flair but it's very subtle um which i like as well yeah uh the other
one the second thing is uh i kind of i don't know if it will happen but i hope like gilman the lion
don't have a fight like what i think my ideal hope would be like they meet and the lion's ready for
gilman's gonna be gilman but gilman just doesn't have it in him anymore because i think that'd be
a really good humanizing moment for gilman because he's so worn down by that how he's been running
by himself for a couple hundred years now i do that 10th edition trailer where he's just like
yeah yeah victory and it'd be a good way to you know kind of bring the lion up to speed in a way
of like oh my god gilman is has always done everything like why i don't always like it
but he's always put 110 percent in like his own thing keeping things going one way or another
gilman's back and he's just like there there yeah and gilman in front of him gilman's just like i'm
for dying and uh and then the last thing to end off on is something i've been holding in for about
an hour now uh could could it be said that in caliban as a child in the jungle the mighty
jungle the lion sleeps no oh yeah oh man that's a good place to end it to be fair because we'll have
to smack our head against the wall um i was going to ask uh would you guys mind if i read out the
poem the dark angel yeah go for it go for it the nice little way to round it off i'll also say as
well uh next week boys we're this is properly next week will be farse enclave so please check
that out also like and subscribe because we need that uh because we need to eat
other than that uh thank you all for listening and we'll end it with a nice bit of poetry from our
our boy andy andy take it away so this is the dark angel by a lionel johnson dark angel with
thine aching lust to rid the world of penitence a licious angel who still dost my soul such subtile
violence because of thee no thought no thing abides for me undesecrate dark angel ever on
the wing who never reaches me too late when music sounds then changes thou it's silvery to a sultry
fire or will thine envious heart allow delight tortured by desire through thee the gracious
muses turn to furies oh mine enemy and all the things of beauty burn with flames of evil ecstasy
because of thee the land of dreams becoming a gathering place of fears until tormented
slumber seems on vehemence of useless tears when sunlight glows upon the flowers or ripples down
the dancing sea thou with thy troop of passionate powers allegorist bewilderest me within the breath
of autumn woods within the winter silences thy venomous spirit stirs and broods oh master of
impieties the arger of red flame is thine and thine the steely soul of ice a poisonous the fair
design of nature with unfair device apples of ashes golden bright waters of bitterness how sweet
oh banquet of a foul delight prepared by thee dark paraclete thou art the whisper in the gloom
the hinting tone the haunting laugh thou art the adorner of my tomb the minstrel of mine epitaph
i fight thee in the holy name yet what thou dost is what god seath temper should i escape thy flame
i wilt have helped my soul from death the second death that never dies that cannot die when time is
dead live death wherein the lost soul cries eternally uncomforted dark angel with thine
aching lust of two defeats of two despairs less dread a change of drifting dust and thine eternity
of cares do what thou wilt thou shall not so dark angel triumph over me lonely until the lone i go
divine to the divinity there we go that was the dark angel the lion returns boys very cool the
lion returns that's very dark angel-y i can see where they got it from and argue it's the
epitome of dark angel-y secrets and lies lions actually probably he's very different than
the 40k dark angels come to think of it the 40k dark angels are very edgy and cool i don't think
the lion's that edgy compared to them but is he cool he is cool rule of cool always wins exactly
though uh thank you so much boys uh i think we definitely uh we now know you're not lying why
the i don't do the vine reference sorry yeah okay uh thank you so much for listening uh people hope
you enjoyed obviously the lion returns it's a big moment for warhammer and next week we're going to
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