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Why don't I have it back to Andy for, uh, Morty, Morty.

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Yeah, we got to, we got to, we got to, we got to, we got to, we got to

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escape this toxic mess.

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You got to put the seat up here.

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You got to kill all your navigators, Morty.

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Hello, Law Criminals and welcome to another episode of the beginner to

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expert podcast.

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I am joined by my illustrious, my beautiful, uh, co-hosts.

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We have me how we have Eli, Colin, Andy, and today we'll be discussing

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perhaps the best subject part two, should I say of Warhammer in, or

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one of 40 K and 30 K and Horrors Heresy, excuse me.

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We'll be discussing the second half of the Primarchs, but before we delve

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straight, big bitches.

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I've never been called beautiful before.

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Thank you, Hal.

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You are beautiful to me.

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Let's, uh, let's get, let's get off in this.

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And you are a radiant son.

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You are a gorgeous man.

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I mean, I could be so grossly incandescent.

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Uh, so before we get into that though, I'm going to hand it over to Eli to give us the,

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the hilarious, some of you guys are so funny, by the way, it's the hilarious

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answers from your previous question of the week.

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Take it away, Eli.

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Yes.

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And our previous question was, well, what was your ultramarine theoretical and practical?

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I have skimmed through the comments very quickly, so I'm sorry if I missed your

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funny comments, but I chose four.

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I was supposed to choose three.

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But I chose four, um, first one gets brownie points from me as from D Doyle.

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His theoretical is wow.

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I'm excited to learn more about the gene stealer calls.

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His practical is mommy Magus, uh, emoji.

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Wait, mommy Magus.

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I think we have a hairy, yeah, mommy Magus.

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Oh my Lord.

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I healed mommy Magus.

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Oh my Lord.

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No gene stealers today, I guess the forearm is real though.

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Don't forget it.

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Next we have Harry Ballantine.

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His theoretical is wow.

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With so many diverse factions, there must be such interesting narratives and conflicts.

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I would love to see how these play out.

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Practical.

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I can't do the accent.

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I'm sorry.

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Day in the life of a true GW author.

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Wake up and meet the big wife, biggie.

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My little ultramarines.

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Isn't she beautiful?

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Oh, is she beautiful?

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Time to take Abaddon to Kadia.

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Why are these people so funny?

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Rev up the gray night.

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Ooooh no.

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It was the perfect time for a mic.

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like

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oh my gosh

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okay rev up the grade

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oh my gosh my stomach hurts

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we're leaving this in by the way because it's so funny

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oh did it get off at the same time rev up the grey nights

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i've been yelling the same thing over and over again one more one more one more

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okay rev up the great

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quick stop at the elder and kick him while they're down get an imperial guard book armageddon's

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looking lovely today lads just a bit of orcs what tyrannid wind makes a 38 oh loss better pop

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down local hive world good old chaos cult look at that another horace harrissey novel lovely

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pop down have a couple prime mark books with the lads and finish up at the fortress of ball

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oh that was emotional that was our third or fourth attempt at reading my cheeks hurt

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which was cheeks my fucking dimples hurt my face ow that was honestly we're leaving that day because

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so funny uh we have the happy drake his theoretical is i can't do the axe i can't do the voice for this

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i'll try it's another one is it another brexit geyser it's not the vizelic british one it's uh

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it's how's favorite guy to quote apparently last time i'm pretty sure uh welcome nerovar together

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we shall speak for the law and the law shall drive the mongol dogs of the employer from morrowind and

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his practical is is this how you honor the sixth house and the tribe unmoored yes this is amazing

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and then we have dj beast 2145 his theoretical is i just like 40k lore and i'm going to buy a few

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models to paint but not go overboard and his practical is i am in financial debt and the gray

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horde models continue to explain

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how are you meant to start laughing and then because you've been laughing so much everything

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someone says is funny that's a silly mood oh oh my lord i'm overstimulated from that

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i need to have a lie down we're doing pry marks though where's pry marks

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all right so our next question of the week is going to be which pry mark would you least want

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to babysit and what's the worst case scenario use hashtag pry babies on your comment for us to see

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it and hopefully feature it next time we look forward to reading them and now i will hand it

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over to mr callin to educate us today thank you very much and uh today just as a heads up it's

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going to be kind of be me and andy we're going to go on uh back and forth you know there's a

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10 prime marks left so you know i'll take the first one then andy then back to me and then on

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and on until we're done and so the first one let's start off strong with the 11th prime mark

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thank you for coming everyone that was the 11th prime mark good show wow that was

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oh that was a lot yeah yeah really in debt the uh the 11th prime mark we know even less about him

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than the second at least we have fulgrum saying the second was humorless and maybe a bit hypocritical

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couldn't even find anything like that for the 11th uh so what i did was i found a little bit of

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information on what they could have been up to and where they went uh which again there wasn't much

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but we know and this is a little bit of great crusade because we know nothing about these people

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uh they participated in the rangdon xenocides and if that was not the last thing they took part in

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it was the last recorded thing they took part in they uh roguel dorn refers to their disappearance

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as separate tragedies although which is interesting but also keep in mind that roguel dorn and

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gilliam and also mimed white everyone's information about the prime marks including themselves

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so that's kind of some unreliable narration going on and then gilliam i believe in modern times

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after he wakes back up says that his two brothers failed and then he specifies that the rest of them

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turned traitors so he says two of his brothers failed the rest turned traitor so now we have

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three different things that could have happened to them they could have been wiped out in the same

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event two different occurrences could have happened or they didn't turn traitors so now

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they're traitors or they didn't turn against the emperor they failed their purpose in some way

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and that's all we really have on those two missing prime marks there's a little bit more but

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not much uh it's intentionally vague though isn't it so obviously the real answer is so that we the

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the wonderful viewers can make our own quote unquote uh made up prime marks essentially to fill that

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creative slot so yeah i have i have a just um a question for you guys do you reckon we'll ever see

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uh the return of one of those or at least information about these prime marks or you

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reckon they're just going to keep it continuously like we don't know much we'll never know anything

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i think they're going to keep it unknown and part of that is uh i don't remember which author said

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it but one of the people in charge of like the old lore the missing primates and whatnot says

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they're supposed to be a reference to the lost legions from rome at tetberg forest that were

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wiped out by the germans so and if that's the case then their whole point was essentially just to be

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like hey it's like this uh the cool thing with the roman's head where they all died so i'm hoping for

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like a 60 chess move by dan mr dan huge schlong abner that he um he's his official title

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he might have a he's been talking about like a twist in the beckwin novels about um obviously

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the possible return of constantin valdor but even after he's said that there's he said there's a huge

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huge he emphasizes huge twist coming and i'm i've got like this like little thing in my head which

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says the huge twist could be like it's actually not valdor it's one of the missing prior marks

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but i don't know if they'd ever be brave enough to do that if it just valdor comes back with one of

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the armies and like i found them behind the bins imagine if they come back and write like the

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missing primarchs they became the tyrant nests or something like that oh my god that would be yeah

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yeah i i i had like if i before i like knew much powers like i wondered if like one of them had

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joined a xenon species like the tau and they were like no you're not no no you didn't get the memo

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you're not stop it or like they went really far out into the galaxy and never came back or something

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and they were sent out of a task you know cool like a little fan story i read was they were

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sent out of the galaxy and the tyrants were running from the two legions that was just

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that was just a neat little fan thing and also probably overestimating the space marines a bit

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two legions versus all of the high fleets ever i do agree that the the rangdang xenocides were so bad

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because the or the rangdan was supposed like eldritch level horror type and so maybe when they

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say that they failed maybe they won them or two of them got turned forcefully against the emperor

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and so therefore maybe the shape the shape that had be raised maybe one of them did that maybe one

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of them was dispatched to somewhere and they never came back it's like oh we failed like they just

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went oh we never saw them again they went to they went to the far reach of the galaxy they were given

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a task and they failed and we never saw them again all raised by eldari that's my other thing

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that'll be cool that would have been perfect also we i feel like again i should say this is all just

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been like theory crafting we've just done there's yeah pure speculation yeah so uh like i said all

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i have is those little bits i mentioned with the rogel and gilliman and the rangdang xenocides

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after that throw a rock you might be right you might be wrong do you guys think the primarchs

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can double jump yet also okay the the context of that joke there boys and girls is it was a

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would you rather would you rather be able to double jump but every time you double jump you

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soil yourself shall we say so would you do you think primarchs can double jump so i'm gonna get

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too silly with this oh man oh did you have one to ask us actually oh yeah uh it was uh you gained

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the ability to fly and you can either fly for 10 minutes a day or as long as you want but if you

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take as long as you want every hour you need to just shit out of the sky like a bird oh jeez

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i don't know which is better if you open the comments in the chat like which is better like

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being able to double jump or fly you have to defecate that's our second question of the week

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second question that's the unofficial one and and with that the next prime arc andy take it away

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okay um they came bounding over

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interesting link you know i was talking about shit no um so we're now going to talk about the

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12th prime mark which we do know something about all the rest of the primarks of this episode we

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know about and this primark would be known as angron or very angry man to the community

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angron was found on the world called nusaria within the dashelica mountains and uh interesting

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thing about angron the guy who found him found him surrounded by a bunch of dead eldar and the guy

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was like huh this this toddler's killed i mean they say xenos it's not clear it's the elder but

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it's assumed to be the elder um this guy finds this this boy amongst a bunch of corpses of probably

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eldar there is a theory that the elder saw angron's future and tried to assassinate him before he grew

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up but that's speculation um this guy found this boy and he went oh he's obviously quite capable

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in a fight i'll take him to house falchia which was a ruling house of the oligarchical society of

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nusaria uh this house then said hmm interesting we'll buy the boy off you we'll enslave him and we

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will name him angronius falchia after their house name which also translates in nusarian as child of

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the mountain now as soon as they bought the kid they chucked him into the gladiatorial fighting

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pits uh because nusaria its people were oppressed by the ruling elite but to kind of distract them

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they had gladiators kill each other for blood sports and that seemed to do the trick um the boy

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was pitted against an acid spewing monster alongside a hundred gladiators and they were on

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a ziggurat platform which as the creature spewed poison and well acid it would rise up until the

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platform shrank and so angron had to basically beat to death everyone else who was on the platform

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so he could survive as the only one left standing uh pretty pretty grim as he matured and primarchs

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as they do they basically mature very rapidly he was mentored by a gladiator and uh correct me if

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i've said it wrong but it's uh oenemus i believe it is i think that's right yeah well they're all

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sounds right they're all tough to pronounce one of those greek spellings in his o-e-n-o-m-a-u-s

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so oenemus i think is how you pronounce it i wrote my college thesis on the peloponnesian

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war and i still don't know how to spell peloponnesian so maybe i'm not the right person to ask

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and how's the dyslexics i have a lot of my good my my best mates are uh from cyprus and if they're

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watching this please don't judge that i couldn't i didn't get the greek right brothers uh please

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but uh yeah there's this to get back onto oenemus if that is indeed how you say his name he was an

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older gladiator a bit of a veteran of the pits he mentored and fostered angron um unfortunately

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uh the the high riders as they were called the elites of the planet were kind of fed up with

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angron winning and winning and winning and you know the the crowds adored him he really enjoyed

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fighting despite his circumstance and they said okay we want you to kill your foster father in a

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fight angron refused so the guards captured him restrained him and they implanted angron with a

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with a nasty implant of the brain called the butcher's nails and the butcher's nails essentially

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are these contraptions that are grafted into your skull dig into your brain and dig deep

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and prevent you from feeling any pleasure from anything other than violence it's described in

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in many accounts of how it's like sometimes it's like a a rage that kind of shuts off your your

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cognition to an extent some people who have this implant they just wake up and they find themselves

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covered in blood and they go oh what was that about other people they say they only are able

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to like angron says he's only able to dream once he's done a massacre basically so it's he's always

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got this nasty pain inflicted on him and the only way to cause it to stop for a few minutes is to

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kill someone so it's really really nasty angron gets a lot of flak but it's kind of understandable

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when you have something that's digging into your skull every day and going kill kill kill kill kill

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or won't let you have a sleep you know it's pretty nasty when this was fitted he tore his foster

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father limb from limb in the arena and he was very upset about this he didn't like the fact that he

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just like butchered his like only bent or unwillingly there's a bit of a bleak episode so far i got a

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admit stop he is called the there's a reason he's called the broken like primal you know red angel

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he's not uh no one is speaking highly of angron in certain circles in the imperium shall we say

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and he's the most tragic even more so and i would say more so than konrad curse who we mentioned in

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the previous one because at least you know konrad he grew up in a nasty place he didn't have to like

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butcher his father figure to death without any control um debatable i suppose but basically he

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then said right i'm going to escape the gladiatorial pits he gathered and trained the gladiators and

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called them the eaters of cities two thousand of them escaped the pits and they ran to the mountains

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of dashelica where he where his gestation pod had landed they were whittled down to about a thousand

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men and women then the new serian high riders sent seven armies to to kill them the emperor of man

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kind found angron transported himself and his custodians to the planet and said hey angron um

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kind of been watching what you've been up to um i will help you kill the high riders and save your

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people if you take command of the 12th legion which i've reserved for you angron said no the

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emperor was not happy with this response so he teleported him onto his flagship and left all the

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gladiators to die um definitely in the community one of the most the there's a lot of people say

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the emperor was a very bad person this is one of the most highly like referred to events where

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they're like yeah bad dad um but angron had to watch controversial as well yeah it's very

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controversial i mean the emperor basically said you know you can't win without my intervention

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you don't really have like these these are just some gladiators um i made you for a purpose go

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and do it and angron said no and so the emperor was just like now all right you need to you need

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to learn from this in the harshest way possible it's a shame as well because compared to all the

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other legions really like the people who are like the friends or you know warriors slash servants

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of the primarchs are usually then elevated into the legions whereas yeah angron's one of the few

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ones who was like nah we just say we're gonna let your people you know screw him yeah i literally

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just finished a video on angron and i started with the quote where he's he's saying lorgar got

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corpheron the lion got loofah did i get anyone no and it's basically just him ranting about how he

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was always mistreated by the emperor um but despite this angron was installed as the uh the the

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general and commander of the 12th legion known then as the war hounds uh after he maimed some

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of the captains when they tried to like talk to him uh oh yeah they went in like one by one

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didn't they yeah they were like oh my gene father smack oh he's dead uh he was not happy um at what

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point do you just give up on that like how many captains need to die for you let's just let them

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i think there was like six there was like a lot right one he killed the chapter master he literally

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went i am the chap bang oh his head's gone what's like i think his name is greer um but yes not a

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great start uh the eighth captain khan managed to convince angron that they were worthy of his you

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know the legacy of his now slain gladiatorial creed um angron would give the world eaters 31

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new serian hours to comply to bring worlds into compliance and if they failed he would kill a

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tenth of all of the legion which was pretty nasty uh bird rabo did that once i think it was when he

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first was installed but hang on every time they failed um and basically over time he he was fed

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up with how weak they were and some of the starties went all right we want to be like dad we want to

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prove ourselves um we're gonna make our own butchers nails and put them in our skulls and be

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like our father all of them died so ang so angron was like you're all weaklings my my gladiators

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weren't astartes and they survived the procedure you're a week and he just left he just left for

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two years um khan managed to track him down and convince him you know we are worthy he was the

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first to be successfully implanted with the butchers nails and because of that more astartes

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started to take them on until the entire legion apart from the librarians was just a bunch of

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berserkers and his resentment for the emperor as well as the fact that the world eaters were just

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great at killing and they didn't derive any pleasure other than slaughter would lead to

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his downfall during the horus heresy and that's basically the primer for angron do we have any

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questions i was gonna say about um new syria itself because we don't really see it that much

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other than when i guess spoilers he returns to it during the horus heresy but i would i haven't

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read the prime art books i'm not i'm not sure what new other than just gladiators not sure what

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most serious kind of interesting there is an interesting thing about new saria it's basically

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within ultramar it's very close yeah so it's cool you have like ruby gilliamon with his 500

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worlds and like not not necessarily a paradise but in a really nice stable environment and just on

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his doorstep is this this despicable slave society that has blood sports and you think

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there is i i did see an artwork once of of an alternate universe where gilliamon discovers

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angron and it's like he salvaged his but no um was not meant to be and uh it was apparently

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technologically sophisticated enough to be a nice place to live if you were the ruling elite

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the civilians it wasn't like kemos where they were struggling to survive they they just they

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were just poor and they were kept repressed by the society that ruled them it was uh in fact

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speaking of wasn't if i remember correctly new saria was technically under gilliamon's purview

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in the great crusade if i remember correctly he didn't really do much with it because it was

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angron's home world but yeah he didn't want to overstep the bounds yeah it was technically

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his world to uh look over which was neat that's why again jumping further ahead when the shadow

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crusade happened that's how ultramar got there so quickly because lorgar and angron were persecuting

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the shadow crusade and then the nails are biting so bad into because this is the thing angron was

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dying because these implants he was definitely gonna die and it was like a few years every battle

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he's in he gets worse and worse and worse so lorgar had to try and like divert them to new saria to

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try and get them taken out of his brain but the the imperium couldn't do it they were like if we

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take these out of his head he's going to die definitely so angron is really tragic in that

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there's just he was he was unsalvageable there was nothing anyone could do i'll say one last

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thing just to finish on him there is something slightly redeeming very so slightly redeeming

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about him which was that he was always like he's always in pain like the entire he was like he's

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in headaches he's a loner the entire time like all of the primarchs kind of like mentor and bond

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with their legion he didn't until the actual horrors heresy like just before angron is too

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late to save him almost that's what makes him so tragic in the end is that he actually i think for

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the first time in the horrors heresy goes to the mess hall in his flagship and actually sits and

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eats with his warriors because at this point of like over a hundred years then he starts to think

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they're worthy and then it basically doesn't last which that's i that's all i was in khan was pretty

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much the guy who who who saw to that glimmer of hope and then the nails yeah yeah not great and

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then the nails and then the nails nailed it but uh but i suppose um if there's nothing else then

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i suppose we could talk about the absolute opposite of angron with uh colin's next pick

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indeed and we mentioned him earlier speaking of the man himself rebute

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jay gilliman the primarch of the ultra merlene ultra marines ultra merlene

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gilliman the greatest of them all if you want to just do yourself a favor and uh

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open a new tab and put on the chaos gate ultramarine soundtrack while i'm reading this

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song the chant uh he our blue boy landed on the planet of mcrog which it's not you know the

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nicest place it's not like a paradise world but it's definitely out of all the worlds the primarchs

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landed on one of the better ones uh it was basically just greco roman culture but in space

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they actually did have a little bit of a space empire which was rather unusual for

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uh human civilizations at this time because of all the warp storms that were going around

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but mcrog managed a very small one because a lot of the planets were relatively close to one another

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they could manage some interstellar travel and when he landed he was adopted by a man named

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connor gilliman who sure enough that's where he gets the name rebute gilliman and connor is a chad

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he's quite a cool dude it is a shame that uh what's shortly gonna be happening to him he gets

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caesared yeah uh and very interestingly gilliman has a mother he's uh one of the only primarchs with

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like a nuclear family uh it was connor's seneschal tarasha utin utin hashtag ultramom

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indeed the ultramom herself nice uh seneschal is more or less just a fancy way of saying

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secretary and medieval speak if you're wondering what that is so that and he as all primarchs do

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grew very rapidly so i believe it was when he was 11 he was already leading campaigns on his home

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planet uh one specifically mentioned was a group of people known as the illyrians which is just

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straight up copy pasted from roman history uh but you know it's it's greco roman space so it fits

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and while he was away on these campaigns against the illyrians he learned a couple key things

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chief among them that diplomacy works sometimes it's better to just go hey can we hash out an

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agreement uh because he noticed that oftentimes he could work out surrender arrangements and other

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such things and avoid battles that would just decimate the land so he learned that and

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unfortunately for him when he while he was away connor was slain by an assassin uh hired by a

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treacherous ally of his and i believe gilliman returned to hold his father in his arms as his

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dad died in front of him which very depressing oh damn um but this helped teach him a couple

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more lessons uh one chief among them is that sometimes life just happens out of your control

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and he learned from that which is uh something i talked about in a video i made on gorilla man

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also he still had ultraman he did have ultramam still you should also switch from um carpet to

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marble flooring because you can't get that out of the you can't get that out of carpet

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you didn't know the recipe it was an emergency i've tested not not undercut not undercut the

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seriousness as passing i've tested i've tested my finger while i was on my bed and the blood

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dripped on the sheets that stuff does not come out so oh do you want to know one thing there's

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like there's a website called murderabilia where you can buy like macabre stuff and apparently

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someone spent i think it was 70 000 pounds or dollars on a scarf which had the blood of one

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of the french kings soaked in it where they used to like they beheaded them with the guillotine

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and it soaked into the scarf and they'd like flick the blood around in a spin why would you buy that

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because people have too much money than sense if i heard that recently i was like oh that's weird

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and i feel like it was interesting why would you do why would you buy that

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it makes you less interesting because the object is more interesting than you

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you don't have an answer for that one but anyway murdering political figures

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connor's dead and gilliman also learned that sometimes it's best to not keep that cycle

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going because he knew if he killed his father's killer himself he would set a precedent so he

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deterred uh he deferred pardon me the sate of his father's killer to the senate who then proceeded

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to kill him and he pushed his father's dreams for mccrog into fruition he turned it into

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americratic society without corruption and fair to all and he essentially was leading it as many

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primarchs or want to do and uh as i believe i mentioned the ultraman video funnily enough

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the emperor knew where gilliman was for a couple years by this point uh it's just there was some

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inclement weather in the warp so he couldn't reach him just like asking scoties what's it

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like still rubbish all right i'm gonna play tennis all right go somewhere else i guess

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uh so that meant by the time that the biggie found gilliman mccrog was an interstellar empire

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that was growing pretty steadily annexing new worlds bringing them into the fold and yeah and

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gilliman took command of his ultramarines uh purged those osirian cybrids some xenos that defeated the

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ultramarines beforehand make sure to go watch our ultramarines video if you haven't for more on that

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and one final thing i think i'd like to note about gilliman is that he never really considered the

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emperor to be his father he was his creator and you know his emperor but that was it as far as

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he was concerned his father was connor gilliman and his mother was teresh utin and even in fact

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whenever gilliman was in trouble he looked to his mother for guidance not whatever biggie would have

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said which i thought was really cool for his personality where did he get the because if

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someone is new to warhammer and they you're gonna hear a lot about gilliman's thing about ministry

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he read or like i mean like theoretical and practical and obviously being administrator i

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don't know where the theoretical practical uh just just a brief explanation for people is the way

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he would always operate like even in war and outside of war is with the information i have

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what is the theoretical what is the practical thing i can enact on the information i have

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so but i never knew where that kind of comes from is that his own creation do you think i believe

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that was just uh if all right hang on full sentence stop there in my head start over

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that was just a result of this uh planet he grew up on it was very greco-roman so everything was

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nice and organized because good old roman i think in their archives they had a copy of star trek on

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vhs and they watched episode with spock and they're like let's take all the motion out of it we'll

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just do the thing that's logical yeah so i don't i don't think anyone specifically taught him that

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like this is how you divide it into theory and practice i think just as a result of his father's

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teachings and his mother and all that stuff theoretical my dad's a great guy he's dead

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oh my lord i think just as a result of uh the society he grew up in we live in a society

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we do in fact live much much is this so is this so crazy like the opposite of like

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we go from angron to gilliam and it's like gilliam and i cradled my father in my arms as he died and

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angron i pulled my father's arms off with my arms it's like such a difference quite the contrast

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and they were like five feet away from each other relatively yeah exactly like seeing the like the

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poor neighbor you're like oh they have it pretty rough while i'm in my nice palace what makes him

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your favorite because if someone was going to ask you that because most people like gilliamon but

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they don't put him in that top spot so what makes him your favorite shall we say i don't know war

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hammer being a wargame setting and just what it is i just i appreciate when someone comes around and

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goes i'm going to use my head and not my gun for my first thought in a world where the the standard

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protocol is shoot first ask questions never i like when someone like gilliamon comes around he's like

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i'm gonna i'm gonna use my head i'm going to actually talk things out it's like it's just a nice

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contrast pretty much he shoulders the most burdens of anyone he's like i will take care of it i will

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take the responsibility i'll do it and he has to he doesn't he's not as powerful as some other

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characters in the setting but he just goes fine i'll do my best and that's quite admirable yeah

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he's he's very like he's filled with resolve to do what he determines is right and i don't like

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and he uses his head like he thinks like he's forward planning he might not always get things

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right but he actually tries to think for himself rather than just go oh this is what the emperor

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says to do i'm gonna do that he's like he's a competent character yeah there's other very few

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in warhammer he's he wins me over by virtue of being basically competent if you put him in a room

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by himself he won't fall apart i'll never impress you then

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uh self-burned uh and uh with that little primer on gilliman why don't i have it back to andy for uh

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morty morty smell that shit just smell that that's gone smell that yeah you did it

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we gotta we gotta we gotta conquer the galaxy we gotta we gotta escape this

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toxic mess you gotta put the seat up here you gotta kill all your navigators morty

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i mean you were just saying you're just saying like gilliman is like the most oh i'll do it and

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i'll be practical it's like mortarion is the opposite of that in a lot of ways but

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let's start from the beginning um so mortarion is a very very very very very very very very

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start from the beginning um so mortarion is the primarch of the 14th legion uh he would be

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spirited away to the death world of barbarus which is uh very originally named because it was a very

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barbaric place to live uh this planet was coated it was it was absolutely enveloped in a poison

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mist and toxins and fumes that would just kill you if you breathe them in and it was ruled by

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necromantic overlords so guys who could raise the dead create little warring armies and states

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they built fortresses they built strongholds and they fought each other with the dead that they

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raised from the ground could i just say something really quick yeah i'm so angry this is the biggest

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presence necromancy has in 40k it's so annoying and it's a footnote the gash was right there and

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you just stepped all over them that reminds me of when we spoke colin about how the elder should

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be the undead faction because that would just be oh my elder gary ghosts of legend like oh come on

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great elder here i know i wish i wish the dead did more things in 40k and that meme i'm editing

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this song but that meme of you know the video the guy who gets his credit card you're like

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um i want that he slams the table yeah give me that i want that oh man i was like why is it they

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only have undead there that is really annoying because it's just today maybe there's a lot of

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undead stuff as well it's not the same though it's not the same it just feels too chaotic then it's

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not proper necromancy yeah um so among these uh overlord necromancers there was a guy who was

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known as the high overlord and i i it's is it nick nicar any c are you can you call it rick

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00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:28,960
sanchez if you want rick sanchez i get the feeling yeah it's easier it's two at least

398
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,880
the better ones yeah well there's no season seven at the moment you know i mean

399
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:40,880
i'd i'd probably just go in that car but i'd car yeah it's all like hecka it's gonna be rick

400
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:48,640
sanchez on the video for i mean to be honest it's not far from necromancer nekari yeah yeah i guess

401
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:57,600
such as the power of negash of nekara yeah so this guy this guy called nick nicar nekari whatever

402
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:04,560
he put he found mortarion among the dead he'd resurrected and had he'd had a skirmish with

403
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,240
another overlord and he was like he just had crying and he's like what's that noise i've never heard

404
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:16,320
that before oh it's a thing and he he went oh there's a baby how is this baby not like

405
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,200
dying from toxin exposure because we're in there's a reason there's no humans around us because it's

406
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,080
too poisonous for them to get in the way of our little scraps between me and the other necromancer

407
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:30,400
no idea why they were scrapping in the first place i guess they they had a club and they were like

408
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:38,160
let's start with necromancy yay and got out of hand um and mortarion they he put mortarion in a

409
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,360
tower next to his fortress his big fortress on the highest peak of the world and this fortress was

410
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,880
just high enough that as the child grew up he wouldn't be comfortable because he could tolerate

411
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,840
the poison mist because he was a primarch he couldn't live in the peak where this guy was

412
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,680
because it was too toxic so he put him just in that sweet spot where he would like struggle to

413
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:05,520
breathe for the rest of his life um like goldilocks in a tower yeah but but goldilocks

414
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:12,720
is all we want with much less good hair and a very gaunt expression but yeah so he he put him in this

415
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:18,880
tower and over time mortarion built a tolerance for the poison because he's already a primarch

416
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,680
he's pretty good at resisting poisons and stuff i mean gilliam got shot into space and breathed

417
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:29,520
that like somehow didn't die of not breathing for a few minutes in the vacuum of space but

418
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,880
mortarion he got a tolerance going and eventually he escaped he killed the guards and he escaped

419
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,080
and he was able to roam the planet through the poison waste because he could tolerate the poison

420
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:45,280
and eventually he found a human settlement and he was like oh these these things they're like me

421
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:52,800
they look like me they're humans huh and so the the little town he found got attacked by

422
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,640
one of the rival necromancers and some of his monsters um mortarion picked up one of their they

423
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,320
were the the people on the planet were farmers and he picked up one of their harvesting tools one of

424
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,840
their scythes and he killed the monster and the necromancer went haha i'm just gonna sink back

425
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,400
into the poison you can't catch me and then mortarion just stormed after him and the last

426
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,160
thing the necromancer saw as he was amazed like what is this human doing and the poison was like

427
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:22,960
the scythe cutting his head off it's like cocky necromancer really got it um and yeah from there

428
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:30,080
mortarion he rallied the barbarans to create a resistance he he was taught he was actually

429
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:38,160
mentored by nikkar so he he was actually raised to be the uh the the lineage he was he was he was

430
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:44,960
raised to take on what this high necromancer had built as like a a descendant of sorts an adoptive

431
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,880
son so he did teach him things and mortarion used this knowledge to to build fortifications and to

432
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,960
improve the people's technology to extent he he knew arcane arts although he didn't like them

433
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:02,160
because mortarion's big trait is he hates the warp and magic and sorcery because of you know

434
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:11,200
being raised by a necromancer does that to you um and eventually mortarion managed to kill all the

435
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:19,760
the the necromancers except for his foster father and as time went on his so-called death guard that

436
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,040
he assembled improved their weapons and armor he got blacksmiths to to craft ever better suits that

437
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,600
could that he could bring his forces with him through the poison waste and they wouldn't die

438
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,120
but they could never get to the peak mountain where the big fortress was because it was too

439
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:39,440
poisonous and after an attempt mortarion went to his village and there was a guy in the in the

440
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:45,840
village known as i think it was the outlander they call him spoilers it's the emperor i can't

441
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:52,480
remember if it was what did he go by a revelation doesn't he do that from when he's pretending not

442
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:58,080
to be the emperor i think yeah he does that in the last church i think doesn't he he does it a couple

443
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:04,480
times in the books whenever he's pretending to be someone he like hides him he's like true you know

444
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,640
he's like i must say something else something light there he like he glows like a bright beacon

445
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,800
and uh yeah but he goes by revelation i think i just love it's not relevant i just thought i

446
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,200
mentioned it i love the idea that the emperor and his flagship has like a costume disguise wardrobe

447
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,560
and he's just like what disguise am i going to wear today got the glasses with the mustache and

448
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:32,640
you know i'm gonna chill do i i'm gonna be the emperor was a big fan of cosplay conventions

449
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,480
um but yeah i'm pretty sure it was the outlander in this in this case and this outlander was talking

450
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:46,720
to the elders of the village and he was like um this guy who's in charge is obviously a very bad

451
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:54,640
guy how about i help and we'll kill the necromancer and i'm done mortarion resented this because he

452
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,600
was like i can do it myself dad he didn't know he was his dad or was it more like oh jeez i can

453
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:07,760
kill him oh jeez i'm just about to go oh jeez i'm more puberty huh pretty much he was a moody

454
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,120
teenager but yeah the emperor then went all right mate you're a bit you're a bit big for your boots

455
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:18,000
all right go up there and kill him on your own and if you do i'll leave you alone you'll never hear

456
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,760
from me again but if you fail i'll kill him and then you have to swear fealty to me and do what

457
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,120
i say so mortarion is fine and despite the death guard saying no no no no including callus typhon

458
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,160
and the original members of the death guard they're going no no no you can't do it on your own you

459
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,200
can't do it on he went up to this big citadel on the mountain peak he got to the gate and then he

460
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:43,040
collapsed because the poison was just too toxic he couldn't he couldn't deal with it and then his

461
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,160
foster father came out of the fortress bloated there and was like you're weak yeah pathetic

462
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:54,560
and just before he killed mortarion the emperor stepped in cuts him in half with his flaming sword

463
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:02,720
goes you lost the bet and uh then on mortarion was installed as the leader of the 14th legion

464
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:07,520
then known as the dusk raiders very quickly he would change them to the death guard and they

465
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:13,520
would take the cultural cultural trappings of barbarus he replaced he solely recruited from

466
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:20,320
barbarus so there was no terran nastatis being drawn in despite their losses over time he hated

467
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:26,320
psykers so he wouldn't allow any psykers in his legion he was one of the he was the main opposition

468
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:33,120
during the council of nikea where um the emperor saw had the question should we ban people use the

469
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,400
warp because it's kind of malevolent we don't really need to trust it or should we use it

470
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:43,040
because it's useful mortarion was the main guy who who wanted to stop the use of the librarians

471
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,680
and among his primarch brothers the only person who really liked him was horus

472
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,320
conrad curse kind of respected him because they were both a bit messed up but horus was the only

473
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:58,000
one who treated him as a person all the other primarchs they saw this pale grim reaper-esque

474
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:04,400
dude who's quite tall and you know skinny looking and he breathes poison out of re he's weird he's

475
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,560
like uh gilliam and looks and he's like that's weird he's weird he's it wasn't friendly he was

476
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:16,960
definitely he was perfectly described as only friendly in his own company like only onto the

477
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,800
bar barbarians barbarians i mean he grew up in a tower on his own surrounded by undead people

478
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,480
he's not got a great personality he was not sociable but i'd say i had this scenario like

479
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:34,480
absolutely locked in my head now i was the emperor being like oh i killed it morey i

480
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,560
i got the necromancer morty i was thinking to that meme with the wrestler standing behind the

481
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:49,280
other wrestler it's like the other take yeah the nicar he's gloating to mortarian and the emperor

482
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,040
is just behind him like waiting for the shoe to drop you could do an art rendition because he's got

483
00:47:53,040 --> 00:48:00,240
the long hair that'd be amazing oh love that to explain very slightly with mortarian everyone

484
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:04,560
we were saying i had a rant before we even recorded this about how mortarian is such a

485
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:14,160
a word he's such a wuss he's a wet wipe um so unfortunately the law they do like basically

486
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,480
like oh we need someone to be defeated and humiliated so the other character looks cool he

487
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,440
blames everyone for all of his problems he's always moaning and complaining he's not very

488
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:29,760
competent it's like oh he's terrible his whole issue just for someone who is new and like why

489
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:36,400
do they make him sound so bad his whole thing kind of is that he thinks he's like a hero even

490
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,840
though he loves he he's a gaunt horrific looking thing so that's the reason why he resents the

491
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:49,120
emperor so much is one he doesn't like being uh forced to do something against his own you know

492
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:55,280
force to stay in a tower forced to become a a minion to a necromancer obviously most people

493
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,720
don't enjoy that but his whole thing is funny enough mortarian thinks he's a hero so his hero's

494
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:08,560
journey was meant to be that he destroyed the evil bad villain the necromancer and the emperor took

495
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:14,320
that away from him and that's why he hates him so much and then he and when he when he also learned

496
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,560
about how the emperor stole power from the gods to become the most powerful psycho he was like

497
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:25,920
hypocrite you're like the worst sorcerer in the and oh you're my dad oh cringe and like my dad

498
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:32,720
is like corax is a liberator he he's what mortarian wishes he was like corax liberated his home world

499
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:38,080
on his own he did it and everyone loves him and he's like hot topic cool whereas mortarian is just

500
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:44,400
like cringe and that that's kind of it is he's cringe to him he's a big cringy moth you know

501
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:50,080
ugh look at those wings and later though i can't always talk about him uh but i think unless there's

502
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:56,000
anything else anyone wants to add that is the the play walking we lies of death elia has to say

503
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:03,760
something about the the morty but what a way smelly moth i don't have a lot of opinions about him

504
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:09,920
honestly i uh he was never my favorite he was never my least favorite he just kind of exists for me

505
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:17,200
he's very milk toast isn't he probably smells like an unwashed taint there's that bit where he fully

506
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:22,720
transforms he goes on to horus's flagship and only abaddon tormageddon and horus are like throwing up

507
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:32,080
in his presence like he's like torgadon is unfortunately r.i.p torgadon oh we love him

508
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:40,960
i did like you heard the one about the bear oh man well yeah sorry death guard bros your prime

509
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,400
mark's not so bad it's okay it's okay but we'll we'll hold or look at you from a distance

510
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,880
he's a salad there out of 10 well darian's not even everyone's favorite death guard come on

511
00:50:52,880 --> 00:51:05,760
this is just way too much man got cucked by typhus and don't forget garrow and garrison

512
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:15,840
yeah death guard isn't he always forget um doesn't smell and he's terran so he hated him um but yeah

513
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:22,000
so with with smelly moth man done uh colin would you like to talk about our next prime arc i'd be

514
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:33,440
happy to you flaming idiots take this feel the power of my magic now we're on to magnus the red

515
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:41,440
he did many things wrong but we'll get to that he uh he landed on a planet called prospero

516
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,880
which was a planet largely composed of psykers who were refugees uh from other planets due to

517
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:53,680
persecution during the age of strife uh prosperos was kind of a hub for them to flee to and the

518
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,600
planet was filled with creatures known as and please do forgive me a moment this is going to

519
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:04,320
be hard to pronounce oh i know exactly what's coming yes psych new way in psych new way win

520
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:12,160
this is the same problem i believe like new in the audio but psych new in like new in like

521
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,760
never impossible to pronounce right now i'm thinking of that family guy bit where steve goes

522
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:29,040
cool whip this evening is ruined but uh those that's not leviosa it's leviosa

523
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,280
i have to do it it's not leviosa it's leviosa

524
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,200
however the hell you say these things they were psychic creatures that preyed on the

525
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:48,800
planet's inhabitants and once magnus got there he proceeded to just start pushing them back

526
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:57,120
because magnus's purpose is to be the best wizard that ever wizarded on the planet

527
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,200
at the galaxy in the way his magic the gathering

528
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:14,160
oh he is the wizard of the coast and uh he was taught by a i guess sorcerer sorcerer is

529
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:19,200
probably a good word for him a sorcerer named amon who indeed would become to be one of his

530
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,320
chief officers in his legion once we got there but and in just a few short years because he was

531
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:32,320
you know created by god to be the best psycher ever he had surpassed amon and had become the

532
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:38,400
chief psycher on uh prospero and with his help they pushed back the psych new ins

533
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:44,720
and they got it first time yeah he figured it out that time and he pretty much became the planetary

534
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:50,480
leader by popular demand everyone was just like yeah this guy's awesome and he turned the planet

535
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:57,120
and its capital city of tisca into just a absolutely perfect shining jewel of what humanity

536
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:03,040
could be as it was evolving to be more and more psychic he would write down everything he knew

537
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:09,440
about the great ocean which is what they called the warp on prospero into his works and even to

538
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:16,640
this day i say this day in modern 40k 10 000 years later that's where a very large amount of the

539
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,680
information that mankind has on the work comes from is from magnus's teachings and that's just

540
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,920
the fragments of whatever they could rescue from prosper after the space wolves space wolfed all

541
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:36,480
over the place uh two major things of note he contacted both zinch and the emperor uh for the

542
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:41,120
emperor you know when magnus was still on prospero he would just delve into the warp and it did not

543
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:46,400
take long for the emperor to notice and find out i think i know who that is and sure enough they

544
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:52,720
psychically contacted well before they actually met don't know why it's like imagining like the

545
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:58,720
warp based dial-up like he was trying to send me messages what is this that's my kid is although i

546
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:03,840
didn't know he had a phone like a warp version of that is this a psychic version of docking

547
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,880
oh man what did they this is the only law crime you get to edit this you get to figure out what

548
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:23,280
the visuals for that one are is the only one who actually remembered that the emperor existed before

549
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:29,120
he left uh terror or was whisked away wasn't he he's the only one who actually remembered like he was

550
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:36,400
not and they all had an inkling that they were probably not native some of them had some of them

551
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,840
had visions like sanguineous and conrad and lorga they had visions that's that's cheating though

552
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:47,440
magnus just like hey what's up pops yeah he spoke to the emperor while he was in the gestation

553
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:53,040
capsule and and uh while that was going on you know they talked in great lakes about the warp

554
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,040
and the emperor told them that yes you know you can do a lot of cool things with space magic but

555
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,920
you gotta be you gotta be careful with it there's some nasties out there that you don't want to mess

556
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,800
with and magnus took this information and proceeded to almost completely ignore it

557
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:13,760
i just had the idea of like like the emperor being at like a police station with like a missing child

558
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,800
report and then all of a sudden he gets a call from magnus like mac magnus where are you i've got

559
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:24,080
him on the phone where are you yeah you found some matches what are you gonna do with those mate no

560
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,760
put them down put them down come on where is he just like that trying to like track him down with

561
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,720
like the phone lines thing i like what's even funnier about that is the emperor didn't name them

562
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:37,840
they got their names on the planet so it was just like oh met me what's hang on what i forgot my

563
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:51,280
kids name magnus number number 15 where are you number 15 and uh as for zinch you know once they

564
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:57,680
met up with uh you know the emperor magnus was like hey i i see this flesh change my legion is

565
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:05,040
going into through where all of my space marine children turned into soup let me fix this please

566
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,880
please emperor let me fix this problem and eventually emperor's like yeah all right sure

567
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:15,600
you know what you're you're i trust you you're a powerful enough wizard go for it uh magnus

568
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,640
delved into the work to change uh change the flesh change how to figure out how to get rid of it

569
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,640
and what he believed he did was he just consorted with a you know particularly noteworthy warp

570
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:32,400
spirit but nothing special beyond that so some friendly being yeah in the warp yeah what could

571
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:38,000
be wrong uh it was actually zinch the chaos god of trickery and magic and all that fun stuff

572
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:45,760
and magnus believed all he did was give up his uh his eye in exchange his left eye i believe it was

573
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:53,680
in exchange for curing the flesh change really zinch just turned it off for a bit is more or

574
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,400
less what happened he just hit the off switch on flesh change just toggled it off for now yeah he

575
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:06,800
yeah on a time on an egg time yeah a 200 year timer as it were and uh yeah but magnus as far

576
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:12,960
as he was concerned he did great he lost an eye oh no big shame he's got a whole other one of those

577
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:18,480
and he's still a great wizard so who even needs that second eye terrible depth perception but a

578
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:24,960
great wizard indeed but uh unbeknownst to magic or unbeknownst to magic unbeknownst to magnus

579
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:31,520
he had fallen for zinch's plot hook line and sinker and this would grow his arrogance which

580
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:38,560
would eventually lead to his downfall and one last really important thing to know about magnus before

581
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:46,800
we move on he's red i don't know why he's red i'm just assuming it's because he's magic is my guess

582
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:52,480
yes he was that oh go ahead sir andy as i say it just reminds me of that scrubs episode where

583
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,280
it's just like this guy's orange because he's drinking too much oh yeah this is like he's

584
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:03,360
turned or no carrot juice it's like yeah i was just drank so much carrot juice he was meant to

585
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:09,360
be like red and or they thought if he ate too much carrot he'd be yellow and if he had red and they

586
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:18,000
couldn't work out why he was orange it was because he only ate or drank carrots and peppers i say how

587
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:25,920
i know you've had your video on magnus relatively why is he red he uh there's no actual reason why

588
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:33,520
he's red but he also doesn't appear red to everyone it's because when his magic is flowing he actually

589
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:40,400
appears more like a copper kind of tone but most people when they look upon him you like we look

590
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,800
upon him and see red but most people you probably like i'm actually gonna like my brain will melt if

591
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:51,040
i actually look even in his eyes or something i think it's also one sunburn there's also like

592
00:59:51,040 --> 01:00:00,560
i've been a client but it's also implied that he somewhat alters his appearance to like he's

593
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:09,440
supposedly as tall as vulcan the the as big as vulcan is but he supposedly enhances how he like

594
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,600
his actual form doesn't look like that because even before he became chaotic in his material

595
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,760
form was basically whatever he looked like he had i know he had at least some ability to alter his

596
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,600
appearance and look however he wanted and also grow 50 feet tall and punch titans to death if he

597
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:32,800
so felt the need he was pretty much something he could pretty much do there wasn't much there

598
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:41,360
wasn't much he could really not do he's quite he does a primal power level like one v1 the other

599
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:46,880
primal has to have some serious like spoilers obviously with leaving ross he when they fought

600
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:54,400
the only reason it ended up with magnus losing was because ross was wearing special anti psychic

601
01:00:54,400 --> 01:01:02,720
gear that negated his um like abilities but most of the time magnus just easy claps and and was

602
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:10,560
surrounded by sisters of silence yeah he's pretty powerful also man's big thing is as knowledgeable

603
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:18,880
and as impressive as he is he is so arrogant he thinks he's he he usually when you learn more

604
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:25,280
about the world you realize oh there's so much i don't know now because your ideas and your

605
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,800
let's say your capacity to understand is so much larger that you realize there's so much more you

606
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,880
don't understand whereas magnus the opposite the opposite because he thought he knew so much he

607
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:43,280
thought he was infallible i think my favorite quote of someone like like understanding his problem

608
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:50,160
is when it says it's in his demon primal form with vulcan and then he's he says um you know what's

609
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,640
vulcan what's wrong with you and then he shouts back at them the emperor and horrors both know

610
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:59,920
i'm the most valuable piece on the board he actually thinks all of this was structured to get him

611
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:04,400
because he thinks he thinks way too highly of himself he's the kind of guy who learned something

612
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,440
and they'll just say oh the sultan says oh didn't you know that he's that kind of guy he's like oh

613
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:15,200
i'm so clever look at me i'm so smart oh you didn't know what i know huh you could peasant peasant

614
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:21,440
you could show him a list of 110 factual reasons why he is wrong about something to go no i know

615
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:27,040
right i know better i'm fake news because he was actually you know he's actually a pretty nice guy

616
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:32,720
at least as far as the primarchs go but just so arrogant yeah his his biggest second weakness was

617
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:40,400
that he loved his uh his uh sons he loved his legion too much to actually betray them to the

618
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:47,280
emperor in the end that's very sad yeah he didn't want prosper well i mean he did and then he didn't

619
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:55,280
want them to die quite quite the uh emotional the change of heart there but poor story for him poor

620
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,640
but poor guy that stuff even oh what's up andy i was just gonna say it's even more tragic considering

621
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:08,080
no one cares about the thousand sons in the law oh i hate that i was a player oh yeah i'm just

622
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:14,000
trying to rile up how to be honest at least it's not me this time you got you got the elder out of

623
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:21,120
there with anger on earlier we're allied in this one it's fine i had my lumps uh but yeah so

624
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:27,920
aside from all that he took command of the thousand sons and went about conquering uh oftentimes

625
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,800
using diplomacy he was one of the primarchs who would use that but when it was time to fight he

626
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:39,360
would just wizard everyone to death and that is you know the intro primer to magnus the red

627
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:45,680
uh i don't think yeah i don't have i don't have any stupid funny ways to say about the next

628
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:54,000
primarch uh no more morty for this guy you mean dog man you mean the big dog oh man yeah big

629
01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:00,960
big big dog daddy age big dog daddy let's do it up to you andy take it away he's losing the power

630
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:12,080
of rational thought he's become a teenager uh horace is is an interesting one to talk about

631
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:16,960
because we're only talking up basically until the horus heresy and horace is weird because there's

632
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,880
like all of his character is in the horus heresy so this is actually probably going to be a bit

633
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:28,000
shorter than the others um but horace was spirited to the world of kafonia and kafonia was right next

634
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:35,520
to holy terror and as such oris was the quote first primarch to be found by the emperor um we will

635
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:41,920
undermine that when we get to our last primarch today but um horace basically lived on a crime

636
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:47,600
world and it wasn't like nostromo where everyone was eating each other for sustenance it was more

637
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:55,280
like the godfather and very very very little is actually known about horace's time on kafonia

638
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:00,640
all we know is that there was a gang culture there was a crime family syndicate and horace

639
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:05,040
eventually became the crime boss like think michael corleone from the godfather that's basically

640
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:11,840
horace in power armor um or michael corleone in power armor which is a weird image um but as the

641
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,640
quote first primarch to be discovered by the emperor he had the most experience dealing with

642
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:21,280
the great crusade he was the first person to be mentored by the emperor he was the first person

643
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:28,240
to mentor other primarchs um he was gifted with incredible charisma and the imperium loved him he

644
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:34,720
was the poster boy of the imperium horace lupacal could do no wrong everyone loved him every legion

645
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:41,840
that followed would aspire to be like him and like his legion the lunar wolves and uh he would easily

646
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,640
other like the only contenders for the most glory and plaudits during the great crusade is the ultra

647
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:53,280
marines which we all know ultramarine's the greatest of them all um we are heroes proud and strong

648
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:59,280
if you have a little scene story string storm song about the ultramarines please do it it is funny

649
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,920
i mean that's my ringtone just that little clip there

650
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:11,920
um but yeah during uh the great crusade horace uh achieved the title of war master and he did

651
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:17,200
this during the big campaign against the orcs because the orcs were burgeoning to a point where

652
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:22,560
they were the biggest threat in the galaxy the imperium had to band together every primarch with

653
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,840
every legion that they had put their great crusade on hold and kill the orc menace before it became

654
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:33,280
overwhelming and during the final penultimate the final battle not penultimate the ultimate battle

655
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:39,120
to decide what would happen against the orc xenos uh the emperor and horace led the custodians and

656
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:45,840
the lunar wolves into battle against the war boss of um of the orcs to which the the war boss the

657
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:51,280
the war boss would almost well it's it's said he had a chance to kill the emperor i don't necessarily

658
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:56,720
believe that i think he just got one up he got an advantage and whatever blow he would have dealt

659
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:02,320
to the emperor horace prevented it he killed the war boss i believe he chucked him off the ramparts

660
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:08,080
of the the building they were fighting in or the titan or whatever it was and he became the first

661
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:14,960
among equals he became the war master of the imperium to honor his ascension as the war master

662
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:20,160
the lunar wolves would be rebranded as the sons of horace they would change their color scheme

663
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:25,440
their armor colors and they were untouchable they were the best of the best everyone wanted to be

664
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:32,400
like horace and his legion and as the person the emperor trusted the most he would be privy to some

665
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:38,640
of the secrets of the emperor one of which was horace knew that there were quote entities in the

666
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:44,640
warp prior to his fall uh and corruption to chaos but he naively just said oh they're just weird

667
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,120
phenomena they're not real creatures they're not beings as such they're not they don't have

668
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,760
cognition they're just like apparitions they're like ghosts they're just weird things that live

669
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:59,840
in the warp um but as is documented in the first two horace heresy books which are very good and

670
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:05,280
worth a read it's horace rising and galaxy in flames or the other way around galaxy in flames

671
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:11,840
is the first one false gods it was false gods it's false gods then horace rising also galaxy

672
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:19,280
in flames yeah it's been so long since i've read i'm on like big book big i'm on book 50 now so

673
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:26,560
that's so far away now uh i literally have free to go i have nearly horace all over my heresy um

674
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:42,000
just yelling so i was there the day horace shed himself comment is hilarious people are so funny

675
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,880
man people are so funny yeah we're bringing it out of them like they're so much more funny than we are

676
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:55,600
um yeah and horace uh during one campaign against the uh he found this species uh was it the uh the

677
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:02,800
kid the kinabrak kinabrak or block something like that like a splinter of humanity aren't they they're

678
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:08,240
like a weird civilization where they're like who they're who are these guys that have pretty

679
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,840
advanced technology they don't want to really join the imperium they're doing their own thing

680
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:16,640
it was it was oh that's weird the inner rex and it was humans and the rex yeah kind of

681
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:23,840
breck kind of them the them the kinabrak are the uh aliens that are like with them aren't they

682
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:29,600
weren't they yeah it's like a coalition the people they they were they were i think they

683
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,040
they meet them don't they like they appear on the ship and then i mean they go out

684
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:39,440
abdon's like growling calling like oh let me at him oh i imagine by abaddon sounds like richard

685
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:48,560
nixon in my head like oh i gotta get him i'm gonna break down the walls of caitia um but no

686
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:54,160
but when they do you did mention when they actually go on the ship um when they're on the ship

687
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:59,840
everyone's favorite character word bearer's chaplain erubus sneaks on to the uh the ship

688
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:09,200
he steals a weapon from their armory known as the uh the anaphame uh anathame yeah the anaphae an

689
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:15,440
afama sword anaphame and he steals it and he gives it to this planetary governor called eugen

690
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:24,400
temba on the moon of davin i believe it is and long story short the sword uh is infused with the

691
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:30,320
powers of the plague god nurgle and it corrupts planetary governor until he became he became like

692
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:37,040
a bloated demon infused being that was really really like like chonk he was chonk but he was

693
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:42,720
also really fast and powerful and the lunar wolves uh sorry sons of horus at this point had now

694
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:50,560
been inculcated in like the the the the uh the species they were parlaying with was like um guys

695
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,680
like this really important sword is missing from our armory know anything about that and they were

696
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:01,840
like um no no actually um we we didn't steal anything um and they didn't it was all erubus's

697
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:08,400
fault and elias favorite character is erubus 100% oh no it's not no it's not yeah i'm just saying

698
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:14,160
erubus i mean that's rude oh my gosh is that is that possibly the one the worst things you can

699
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:20,160
accuse someone of doing is having a favorite erubus liking erubus have you seen those memes

700
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:25,120
recently where it's like book recommendations and film recommendations from the erubus yeah

701
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:34,880
they're so stupid i love them um yeah so basically they start fighting the the sons of horus war

702
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:41,200
breaks out we're not going to make an alliance with these weird human xenos you know people in

703
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:48,240
space that we've met and so they start slaughtering them um then eventually horus confronts yugentemba

704
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,080
when he's like uh the world's not doing very well what have you been up to and he was good mates

705
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:59,200
with this guy but he's now corrupted completely by nurgle and they get into a fight uh yugentemba's

706
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:06,560
demonically possessed body manages to stab horus i think in the like the shoulder with the the

707
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:16,320
anaphan sword and the wound doesn't heal and horus gets pretty much comatose and no one in the sons

708
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:24,000
of horus knows what's going on garviel lokan or the mourn of al or abaddon so for some reason

709
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,240
abaddon and a lot of the mourn of al thought it would be a good idea to take him to these

710
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:36,080
crazy you know people on the moon of davin uh that seem to worship weird pagan gods of unknown origin

711
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:42,560
and uh they were desperate to be fair because obviously they were horuses like their dad and

712
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:49,760
yeah men everyone in the imperium loves him so we can't be like oh sorry dad's gone well no the most

713
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:55,600
cherished son of the emperor the incorruptible brilliant wonderkind no we can't have that um

714
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,560
they take him to these these uh i don't they're not druids they're like um

715
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:08,800
priests tribe tribe tribal priests or whatever you'd call people who follow chaos whatever and

716
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:16,080
they put him on this altar and they corrupt horus lupercal and he becomes the war master

717
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:23,040
of the traitors the the great leader of the traitors um the way they get this does try to

718
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:28,000
stop him i believe in his like fugue state where he's in like a i think he's like lost in like a

719
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:33,440
weird dreamy warp scenario and magnus goes oh what's what's going on here horus are you right and

720
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:39,920
and doesn't manage to stop him being corrupted but uh yeah most of his character is revealed in the

721
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:45,920
horus heresy he's kind of left somewhat vague before then but anything you guys want to add

722
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:51,680
other than also the reason the reason they get to him as well is because horus is as much as we've

723
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:59,920
all just like uh slurped his metaphorical you know what uh he uh he has a serious issue which is

724
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:06,960
he's kind of like magnus he has a problem with pride like an ambition in a way like horus is

725
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,320
uh he's so when they all meet him by the way all the primarchs they always think of him like

726
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,960
the kind of older brother even though they're all about the same he's the unifying factor they all

727
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:24,080
like him most i think pretty much other than maybe one or two there is indeed no everyone gets one

728
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:30,720
coming up who is not the biggest fan of horus yeah like most of them all like it's very most of them

729
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:36,480
are all very different but horus is the only one who basically gets along with all of them although

730
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:41,120
i don't know if he actually liked all of them but he was just able to be that kind of charming

731
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:46,080
person like when they say like obviously horus is when you look at when you look at an image of

732
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:52,640
horus you don't think that's not the most charming charismatic guy but supposedly when you like walk

733
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:57,920
in a room with him and the way he would like speak to you be like oh my like wow it's one of those

734
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,720
things where so that phrase in it like someone who walks in who like lights up a room that's kind of

735
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:09,280
what horus is where he would like he's friendly he you know if you're in the army he'd actually

736
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:15,600
treat you like you know you're already best mates and comrades for years and he knew how to get to

737
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:21,200
the heart of people you know how to speak to people in different ways if so if horus had a podcast in

738
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:26,400
the 40k university would be the joe rogan experience basically i'll just bring anyone on i'll chat to

739
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:36,960
them i'll get a rapport we're both bald it's fine pascal of the uh but with no hair he was

740
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:43,120
unfortunately uh there's a theme of baldness and evil in warhammer yeah fortunately he was dead

741
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,640
but we did mention like i mentioned earlier like mortarion the only person he got on was

742
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:54,480
with horse because he gave him a chance um jagatai liked him because he he had that warrior creed and

743
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:59,200
you know he got on like everyone got on more or less with forest because it doesn't like

744
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:04,000
gilliam and respected his martial prowess sanguineous he was also possibly going to be

745
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,880
the war master and they were best mates uh ferus respected him because he had superiority and rank

746
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:15,760
in his legion had lots of plaudits like everyone liked horse for the most part and it's a bit of

747
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:20,000
a shame but it had to be the most liked character if gilliam and felt a chaos with like the gil the

748
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:27,120
so called the rebuti and heresy it's like it's interesting a horus has their extra like it's

749
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,920
more tragic if it's the most cherished son of the emperor that's the one who ends up being the villain

750
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:38,800
of the series and also the reason they corrupted him from chaos's perspective was that he was the

751
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:44,560
one who could corrupt the most other prime monks as well yes he's the no one else no one else

752
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:49,600
amongst them had a like if the lion god you know probably would never but if the lion is

753
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:55,680
a child apart really rubbish like no no one would join the lion if the lion was like let's start a

754
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,360
heresy and he's like the he's like the kid who invites people to the birthday party and no one

755
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:06,880
shows up and again when he draws all the traitors into his band he's like angron i understand you

756
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:12,400
had a really bad time with the emperor it's okay i'll i'll sort it out mortarion yeah i know the

757
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:17,520
emperor's rubbish it's okay i'll sort out fulgrum that's a pretty cool sword you got there we've

758
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,520
always been mates yeah you're going to join the heresy yeah cool lorgar i hear you like books

759
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:26,320
guess what magnus likes books we'll all have a book club together he just he convinced the prime

760
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:32,880
marks that joined the cause not through you know not through might he just he convinced them through

761
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:39,120
his charisma and also like even with perturabo it's implied that he might have um orchestrated

762
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:45,200
the seed of um the the uh the olympians you know rebelling against the iron warriors as like an

763
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,760
extra incentive for the robber to be like it's i don't think it's confirmed but it's implied that

764
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:55,600
he might have been influencing that so when perturabo was like oh maybe i'll join the

765
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,960
the emperor but it's like no we need to push him over the edge i'll orchestrate that behind the

766
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:07,600
scenes i don't know if it's necessarily 100 true but it's implied and and again he's greater he's

767
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:14,080
he's a genius when it comes to planning and battle and manipulation and that and the charisma it's

768
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:21,120
very difficult to to stand against him but yet also his downside is his monstrous pride and the

769
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:27,840
fact that most most people don't like to be on a stage horace likes being honest horace likes

770
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:33,360
there's often he had trouble with some prime marks where they kind of knew he was going to be like

771
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:38,240
they do a campaign and they knew he would be the one to like i'm going to be the one to go and kill

772
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:43,280
the leader at the end because he because he kind of knew how that would yeah he definitely had a

773
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:50,160
problem with he wanted to be seen as glorious and you know you know i always loved the one where

774
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,400
he's obviously called horace luper cal is like his nickname but he loved it when people like

775
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,960
whispered like luper cal luper cal but they would always whisper and he kind of it's like oh

776
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:03,040
don't stop boys i'll don't you know you're like oh you know and he's like yeah actually please keep

777
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:12,800
please keep going yeah big big problems with pride that that bald man uh two things i think

778
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:20,400
i wanted two things about horse real quick uh one i've and please do correct me if i'm wrong

779
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:26,960
uh but i was reading online and i heard that he's was before the whole thing with the inter-ex and

780
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:32,960
that he was rather idealistic because when he first met them he was almost ecstatic because oh yeah

781
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,680
chance he was like this humans and zenos cooperating and they're living in harmony and their tech is

782
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:42,480
good and it seems to be working out really well with them and even sanguineous was like the emperor

783
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:46,320
says maybe we should just kill him and horse is like no everyone shut up i'm in charge we're

784
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:51,440
going to try and work this out and i think and again like i said correct me if i'm wrong i

785
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:55,600
i again admit i haven't read the book but after the whole thing went down he seemed almost

786
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:01,040
like broken and distraught it was like this is i had a chance to find a new way to do things

787
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:07,040
and just conquest and it blew up in my face he's very jaded because yeah he the reason he was

788
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:13,120
trying something is because it was he was newly minted the war master newly minted newly honored

789
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:19,680
as the war master and he didn't want to wage war in the same way he had done before he wanted to

790
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:25,680
he wanted to you know he was horus lupical before but war master was lead of the great crusade

791
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:32,560
as they wanted to to be he wanted to set example and not be so very funny he says in the book like

792
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:39,840
he's almost slightly ashamed at times of when he's they've basically degraded into war so quickly so

793
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:46,080
he wanted to be better and then the one attempt he tried to be better it blew up in his face and so

794
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:51,280
he got i mean ever since basically after that happens and the rest of the heresy books even

795
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:58,640
before he gets corrupted he's kind of quick tempered and like he's not as uh like joyful

796
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:04,720
like or even like even his own warriors notice is he's not he's he's quick with them he's not very

797
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:09,360
um as well he was not as warm as before it doesn't make sense as well that like his character flora

798
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:15,360
is that he's always winning he's always succeeding so the one time he fails it hits him really hard

799
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:20,000
and he he doesn't get over it easily he's like i'm supposed to be the guy filling the shoes of the

800
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,320
emperor i'm supposed to be the war master i'm supposed to be the one who's the example and so

801
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:30,000
he has this massive burden and every time he makes a mistake or fails it crushes him and he is he has

802
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:35,280
got a fragile ego oh my god oh my god he's the he's the kid who did well in school and then he

803
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:42,160
gets to college university that problem but like you see that with some people like they have trouble

804
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:46,400
in or they have no trouble in school they're like oh you just memorize it and i'm fine and then they

805
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:52,240
get to college university oh i have to learn and apply it oh this is a different ball game and it

806
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:57,920
just just gets like an f in his graded test he's like let the galaxy burn that's pretty much

807
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:05,120
Horace Horace is an entitled brat i'd uh i'd also like to say major skill issue on his part uh he

808
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:11,840
gets stabbed with the anathema he goes yeah my soul hurts i'm dying gilliman gets stabbed and he

809
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:19,280
punches porphyrin into a heart attack resounding he gets like killed with the the play what's it

810
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:24,880
called the uh the the plague wars virus the uh the god blight and then he's just like i'm dead got

811
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:32,480
over it though yeah uh another common rabute gilliman w call an ambulance but not for me

812
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:38,080
that's him when he's jettisoned into space with the word like is he dead he's not wearing a helmet

813
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:43,200
why didn't he come out of the way how does eyeballs not pop out of his head well that one actually

814
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:49,440
that's actually not something that happens i think it's a myth yeah oh it's uh i don't remember

815
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:53,680
exactly what happens but you like it's not like to like a space odyssey where you jettison into

816
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:59,680
space and your eyeballs explode uh i'm dead wrong then that's a law crime that's a that's a science

817
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:05,120
crime that's just a crime that like when if you're in space and say you're like facing the sun the

818
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:09,920
part of your your like skin that's not facing it's like so cold that you'd basically like the

819
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:15,760
side that's not facing the sun freezes and you're like oh i'm dead anyway because you know so you

820
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:24,640
have to rotate like a kebab slow roasted gilliman what is this he got one hell of a tan line

821
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:31,440
just one side of his face like my lord you look different sheesh gilliman oh

822
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:38,160
oh that was all i had is all i had to add oh that's all we had we decided to get the skill

823
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:44,240
issue in leaving that on sheesh gilliman well i guess on that uh that tender note i suppose

824
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,080
i'll pass it on to colin to talk about our next primark lorgi

825
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:54,640
nobody expects the spanish inquisition

826
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,640
uh

827
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:05,600
oh uh lorgi lorgar aurelian though yeah he's uh jehovah's witness the primark

828
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:13,280
oh we're going there yeah the one fan from utah is not happy yeah the one mormon follower we've got

829
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:19,600
is not pleased with me he should not be watching this anyway so it's fine yeah he landed on the

830
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:26,800
planet of cultures which was a highly religious world that followed more or less a watered down

831
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:33,200
version of chaos worship uh so it wasn't like you know it's like yes this is you know corn

832
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:39,680
nurgle zim zlonezh but it was like i see where it's going and it's not great uh yeah it's like

833
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:46,800
have you heard of corn and the barbarian yeah not a not outright worship enough to you know get your

834
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:53,840
tentacles and all gross corruption stuff but you can see where it's leading and his adopted father

835
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:58,240
korfaron uh the man who as i said in the future is getting punched into heart failure

836
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:07,440
was a former priest of the planet's religion and lorgar was initially he followed this religion

837
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:14,400
but then like andy was saying earlier he received visions of a golden god coming down to cultures

838
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:21,760
leading an army of angels and he became enraptured with this new belief of his

839
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:26,880
and spread his beliefs across cultures and because he's a primarch and they're very very

840
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:33,840
charismatic he gathered a massive number of followers his adoptive father korfaron wasn't

841
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:40,880
the biggest fan of this but more so than you know he followed his religion he had some grudges

842
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:47,680
against those who were still in charge in the religion and he was he was willing to hedge his

843
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:52,560
bets a bit like you know you know maybe maybe maybe lorgar's right maybe this is going somewhere

844
01:25:52,560 --> 01:26:01,200
we'll see and then lorgar uh the planet was launched into a six-year-long civil war

845
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:08,320
which lorgar after those six years came out on top and spread his faith across the world

846
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:14,880
and shortly afterwards well you say he was kind of proven right as just the phrasing that got me

847
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:21,600
he's like he spread his uh he spread his faith it's better in one of my shorts i started it off

848
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:27,600
with the uh it was like a mutant cult and the start of the short i said something like they

849
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:33,600
spread their mutant taint throughout the entire i got a lot of comments i got a lot of comments

850
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:40,000
elise that's an image oh truth that the emperor is the freaking worst though

851
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:48,480
yeah he's uh proven right as who else but the emperor of mankind descends down to cultures

852
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:55,360
with an army of space marines in tow and magnus the red yeah yep and the magne magic was there too

853
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:01,920
after a month-long celebration he was given command of his legion the imperial heralds who

854
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:10,320
he renamed the word bearers uh the religious symbolism is quite thick with this man and he

855
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:16,640
was the only primarch who fully believed that the emperor was a god or even at all believed it

856
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:20,880
and the emperor didn't even stop him for a while right no because like when it happened

857
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:26,880
no he just he just allowed this to happen he was he was just like no i'm not stop

858
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:32,720
stop and then it just got worse he basically just said no don't do that and then drop the matter and

859
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:37,520
then 20 years later hey by the way i'm still not a god drop the matter for another 10 years not a

860
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:43,040
god he's like oh this this isn't a phase oh no come on he was hoping it was a phase and then it wasn't

861
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:48,640
i think it's implied that because he found law guard like the primarchs that i found later

862
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:53,680
are kind of just like yeah yeah hurry up hurry up and go do the do the great crusade thing so he

863
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:59,440
kind of it's like how he tolerated anger on being broken the emperor was just like fly the nest

864
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:06,320
already get out of my house and do your own thing it pretty much is where like with law guys right

865
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:11,600
it was okay i know you're wrong but you if you do the crusade thing i'll address this thing later

866
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:17,280
because i'm busy if he was found earlier and just going it's getting worse come on lord get on with

867
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:22,720
it the orcs are coming he's he's pretty he's pretty tolerant unless it's like as long as you are

868
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:30,240
bringing worlds into compliance i don't care until he did care because he's too too slow he's like

869
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:37,120
your brother is is skinning people it's fine the other guy he's using virus bombs it's okay it's

870
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:42,080
not the ideal but he's getting the job in the most loyal plants in the imperium oh i think that's a

871
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:48,480
bit of an issue that's kind of cringe i just like that it's not a real it's a skill issue he's he's

872
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:54,720
he's sitting like lord or that orc is now a croak you need to hurry your ass up they added a k to

873
01:28:54,720 --> 01:29:03,760
the name let's go uh but yeah with the with the word bearers he moved on and started taking planets

874
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:12,320
back for the imperium and he interestingly enough for being designed to be a general he did not like

875
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:18,560
war he was a not not a fan he much preferred to conquer not conquer he much preferred to get

876
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:24,880
worlds into the imperial fold through faith and diplomacy yeah so he would uh his legion would

877
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:29,680
set up shop and spread out you know their pamphlets have you heard the word of our god the emperor of

878
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:36,160
mankind and they would slowly convert it to the imperium through faith they you know they would

879
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:41,440
fight they were space marines they it was time to fight they could fight but they much preferred

880
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:47,840
doing it through faith and whatnot and that was part of the reason that emperor was not a big fan

881
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:53,680
of lorgar because he was uh not keeping up the pace because to be fair again to lorgar those worlds

882
01:29:53,680 --> 01:30:00,560
he landed on were brought up pretty well uh maybe if not up to the standards of like gilman and the

883
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:05,680
ultramarines they he lorgar didn't leave them in shambles and he made sure they were fanatically

884
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:11,680
loyal to the imperium because god was in charge of the imperium he also had a bit of a problem with

885
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:15,920
like everything the word bearers did would be a there would be a flare of storytelling they

886
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:21,040
wouldn't just do a fight they'd be like we need it to be a spectacle it was like okay when when we

887
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:25,200
go up to a fortress we're gonna send one of our chaplains and he's gonna give them offers and if

888
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:30,160
it doesn't work we're going to shower them with the angels from the sky and the behemoths from the

889
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:35,280
land and they would like make tales and fables about their victories it's like can't you just

890
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:39,440
get it done could you stop faffing around looking making yourself look cool

891
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:46,160
i uh yeah i uh i do have to say i've kind of leaned towards eli's side on this one it's like

892
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:51,040
you uh you have been given a fanatically loyal planet who will never turn traitor

893
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,760
well that's not good enough you need to give me 10 planets that all hate me because i burned their

894
01:30:55,760 --> 01:31:04,320
cities to the ground thank you biggie very cool uh and but yeah that's uh a rough primer on lorgar

895
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:12,400
aurelian anything to add anyone here's my favorite by far i mean me and eli are the um you know the

896
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:20,080
meme of like the two the arnie and the other guy they have it's like like liking lorgar from

897
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:26,640
predator i saw that movie oh my god yes he saw a movie everyone you did it like you like go first

898
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:39,600
why do you like lorgar because he's right to the parasy i uh i like lorgar because because i hate

899
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:44,320
him so much does that make sense i think i said this like a couple of times to you guys because

900
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:54,400
uh like lorgar himself he's so humanly evil do you know what i mean kind of he's also just like

901
01:31:54,400 --> 01:32:00,960
as a villain he's not like angron or padrabo where he's this mighty indomitable foe he's just that

902
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:08,640
conniving schemey little hey gilliam and caught me names kind of it shut up lorgar i don't know

903
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:13,040
names and burn down my home where my book's better than his book

904
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:22,560
yeah good times no i like him because he's not by it wordbearers are not my favorite legion um but

905
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:28,400
because annoyingly like after argotald gone it's like oh who do we have left who's actually likable

906
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:36,480
no one no one but lorgar is so lorgar's problem like a lot of these all the traitor ones have a

907
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:45,520
a general character flaw as in something that was exploited by horrors or by the gods lorgar's

908
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:56,640
gods lorgar's thing is that he has a selfish desire to be proven right about just general

909
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:04,800
fundamental view of the universe that he is willing to burn all of humanity to the ground

910
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:10,400
just so he was right and it's someone that seems to go oh that's what makes him terrifying like

911
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:16,480
lorgar like a lot of the traitors they'll basically destroy you but lorgar doesn't want to destroy you

912
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:23,200
he wants to sacrifice you to bring you to his side yeah he makes my like it's one of the things

913
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:27,840
right when i read like some of his books as well if if he's the only primark that made my skin

914
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:34,400
crawl just generally because it's like oh he's the primark who's the ugliest on the inside by far

915
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:41,120
because he is he's like the crazy fanatic who's like yeah i'll absolutely massacre everyone and

916
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:46,160
it was wonderful like he will say that and he'll actually believe it like conrad kurs knows he's a

917
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:53,600
monster and he's sad about it boohoo conrad kurs but lorgar is generally like and like horrors is

918
01:33:53,600 --> 01:34:00,800
mad and mortarion is a hypocrite magnus is too arrogant to see it but lorgar genuinely believes

919
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:06,320
through his zealotry that he is doing the right thing and that's generally terrifying about him

920
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:13,040
he's also especially in the early days quite naive and i always think of lorgar as like a child given

921
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:20,560
demi-god powers like he he doesn't he doesn't have like a perspective beyond the zealotry of his

922
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:26,560
upbringing and so he he can't really i find as a character he doesn't process things very well

923
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:31,280
and that's not saying much considering the warhammer cast of the rogue's gallery of the traitors but

924
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:38,080
yeah yeah even so i always find lorgar to be that kind of like a little brother of the primarks well

925
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:42,880
none of the primarks really respect him he's the run to the litter and he's the one in the background

926
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:48,320
he's like oh my brother's stronger and more handsome than me i'll show them i'll show them

927
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:54,640
and that's lorgar he doesn't have good qualities either in this in the sense that there's nothing

928
01:34:54,640 --> 01:35:01,280
there's nothing he's not redeemed by anything as well like i know i know a lot of people in the

929
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:06,480
book say he's very kind and generous with his time and he's very patient with the mortals and

930
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:12,880
stuff but it's like is that a veneer or is that genuine kindness or 100 against naivety like when

931
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:18,480
people like there's also a thing about lorgar he's emperor-like in the sense that when you're in the

932
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:25,920
presence of lorgar more than any other primark you feel the need to bend the knee and worship him

933
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:31,120
like his primark aura is said to be the strongest and he supposedly looks like the emperor obviously

934
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:35,680
the emperor's got hair because you know baldest he looks like he's the emperor of alopecia

935
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:41,840
pretty much lorgar's got face tattoos i forgot to add that incredibly important detail

936
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,800
they kind of call those ones though the little gold they are they are pretty sick

937
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:56,000
yeah he he generally um like in his presence you want to worship him people love him but he kind of

938
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,560
he knows this is a thing and he's he's a bit smug about it he's like yes i know people love me

939
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:05,360
uh-huh to be fair to what he didn't oh what's up andy i was just gonna submit sorry just a silly

940
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:09,040
fort like the emperor just see when he meets lorgar and he sees all the tattoos on his face

941
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:14,080
he's like you're gonna regret those when you're older shut up dad you don't know me

942
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:19,440
me generally my favorite uh i'll finish on that just you know generally makes my

943
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:27,200
his insides make my skin crawl his belief system like oh my god actually evil correct me if i'm

944
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:31,120
wrong but didn't leeman write some of the stuff he or read some of the stuff he wrote down and

945
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:36,480
was like he's quite liked it yeah he confronts angron with um some of his writings and angron's

946
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:41,680
like ah scholarly brother he's rubbish he's weak and leeman's like there's wisdom in here like he

947
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:46,480
knows where he's a weakling yeah i agree but he has got a few good points at the very least

948
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:53,280
like them so yeah i've seen leeman was surprisingly enough he stopped um he stopped magnus and leeman

949
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:59,440
from attacking each other before the her for the fall of prospero he actually was the one who was

950
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:04,400
able to he stood in the middle of the thousand suns and space warps and said stop fighting each

951
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:09,120
other we're friends and he managed it that's how much he is that's how he was he's obviously not

952
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:15,600
not horus levels charismatic but that's how much he was able to and to be fair to laura when angron's

953
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:21,120
recounting the night of the wolf where leeman russ and him clashed in the space wars and such fought

954
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:25,600
the uh the world he does laura he's like telling oh i was the victor and i was right and blah blah

955
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:30,240
and laura was actually going no you didn't listen to leeman leeman is that leeman was absolutely

956
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:33,680
right oh you you monster what have you done what have you done and so there was that i think i

957
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:38,960
think with leeman it's like leeman can't express his philosophical side because you know his legion

958
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:44,720
is a bunch of drunk vikings but like i guess he he pines for oh i want to be taken more seriously

959
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:51,360
by the emperor is like as a thinker and he's like oh loregar's championing that oh okay he's kind of

960
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:55,600
doing that thing i don't i like to do more and he's you know he's got a good head on his shoulders

961
01:37:56,160 --> 01:38:02,880
until you know hell from grace but still the only downside i'll say is when he becomes fully

962
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:09,120
corrupted by chaos he kind of i enjoyed how weak and vulnerable and how much he is a runt and then

963
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:13,600
when he's corrupted by chaos he's like here's that annoying thing where it's like oh i've done my

964
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:20,880
super male grindset thing now so now i'm no now i'm a jab yeah he's kind of he's no longer like

965
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:26,400
the runt like he's obviously a psyker too so he does that thing earlier in the heresy where he

966
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:30,880
briefly like stops horus and he can like manipulates horus when they're like first

967
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:35,920
meeting on the the ventral spirit because of his like psychic prowess and influence but then at the

968
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:40,160
end of the heresy he just gets backhanded by horus when he tries to take the throne he's like yeah

969
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:46,880
loregar out you're no longer in the club he banishes psychic projection magnus he also knocks out

970
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:54,320
fulgrim but his demon host fulgrim just straight up claps him down but yeah he he i i think he's

971
01:38:54,320 --> 01:39:00,480
the most compelling in terms of right he's probably one of the best written isn't there that quote as

972
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:05,120
well from the primarchs was like me and my brothers used to think loregar was the weakest of all of us

973
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:10,800
after the heresy we knew we were wrong something along those lines maybe that's like he wrote

974
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:15,920
written written by orgar lorellian

975
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,880
if the emperor just let him be then the heresy wouldn't have happened

976
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:31,600
nalkador uh did say out of all the primarchs they wish they could have saved loregar yeah if the

977
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:37,520
emperor just embraced it delicto whatever it's called diminutive time limit to go to see if it

978
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:42,000
would have come to be it would have it would have probably come to be around anyway or if he stopped

979
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:47,040
giving off every single appearance of being a god yeah yeah but then they but you know what the

980
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:51,680
fallout would have been it's pata rabo in the corner going religion is cringe that's cringe

981
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:57,440
oh a little bit of just pretty rabble probably and then kota rabbi and heresy of him and just

982
01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:03,360
show up with him and everyone's cringe him and like curse and that's it and then there's 16 other

983
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:11,680
people kicking them to death geez oh yeah it's like hey here's these visions of me uh coming down

984
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:17,920
from heaven with my angels and then it's i'm also gonna make sure it comes true uh but sorry i was

985
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:27,200
just troll it happened again elia we lost you like we uh he was just i was the emperor silencing

986
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:38,720
i cut out again yeah he said yeah he said i was just troll oh my god it was emperor his troll

987
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:46,080
emperor troll loregar is what i'm trying to see yeah but uh with loregar done andy would you like

988
01:40:46,080 --> 01:41:02,880
to tell us who lives we've got a lot of work to do oh yes please um vulcan lives so so um this is

989
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:07,920
very this is a very traitor heavy episode because again the split is you get six six loyalists and

990
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:11,360
three traders in the first ten and then the reverse in this one so this is the only one i

991
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:16,080
get to speak of but although a lot of people would say he's not necessarily their favorite primarch

992
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:22,560
everyone likes this guy uh vulcan is the primarch of the 18th legion he would be raised and he was

993
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:28,080
be he would be spirited away to a planet called nocturne and nocturne was a volcanic you know very

994
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:34,080
kind of i think it's a death world technically yeah but there is there is you know like there is a

995
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:39,200
society this is the society's full of hard-working nice people there's no famines there's no wars

996
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:44,800
were but there is a there is a drukhari problem which i'll mention a bit later an infestation if

997
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:50,640
you will yeah a little little bit i do have to ask colin do you you get upset when eldari get

998
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:55,200
clapped but does it upset you when drukhari get clapped i mean they kind of deserve it

999
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:01,440
yeah also the thing with the dark elder is they usually get at least some amount of credit in

1000
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:07,520
return like uh speaking of later when the salamanders invade kamara and wipe out the

1001
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:13,120
old noble families of the old elder empire that are left that was on purpose by vect so like when

1002
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:18,480
the dark elder are losing they either give as good as they get or they're losing because a different

1003
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:23,200
dark elder planned the whole thing you compare that with the regular elder which is oh games

1004
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:28,720
workshop needs someone to punch the death hey avatar a cane how you doing although in warhammer

1005
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:34,480
tv shows the drukhari get clapped by everyone yeah that is true so i was even thinking about with the

1006
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:41,200
that iron within shore i'm like oh hey look oh good they uh they should be moving faster than

1007
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:49,760
the guardsmen can perceive but i guess not anyway usually not as anger and drukhari loose it's

1008
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:56,800
changing yeah yeah um yeah so so volkan grew up on this planet called nocturne again one of the few

1009
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:02,000
primarchs who had a good father figure he was raised by a quote black smiter called nobel which

1010
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:09,440
is basically a blacksmith on nocturne so he learned how to craft an artifice several contraptions and

1011
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:16,480
armor and weapons and innate in his being was this ability to craft wondrous things you know

1012
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:20,560
perderabo is a craftsman he has blueprints in his mind he knows what he's going to make

1013
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,440
volkan's the opposite because he doesn't know what he's going to make he goes into like these

1014
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:28,640
weird like trances where he just builds something he's like oh i guess i made this terrifying

1015
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:34,720
weapon um but in his early years he learned under his father and you know he learned to create

1016
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:39,600
things with his hands and he was you know a credit to his people and he grew up with great values

1017
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:45,120
and he he learned from the quote promethium creed which is what the nocturnians use as like a guide

1018
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:53,200
for both spiritual and social well-being however uh the the lovely childhood of the the boy who

1019
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:57,920
would grow up on a volcano wild would be interrupted with the intervention of the drukhari

1020
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:02,320
and they had been raiding this planet for centuries they'd been harassing the people

1021
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:06,480
they took people as slaves and they they'd kind of harvest and leave kind of like the uh the

1022
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:16,560
collectors from mass effect too but um not as insecti um however this time uh you know nabelle

1023
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:20,320
is about to you know kind of go in his like air raid shelter and go like right we should we should

1024
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:26,720
we should hide volkan says no no i'm not going to do that he picks up two hammers not one two and

1025
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:32,880
he goes and he's like i'm gonna fight them and nabelle goes i can't let you go out alone so he

1026
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:37,200
goes with him and all of a sudden one of their friends i can't remember his name he's a he's a

1027
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:42,720
well-respected blacksmith he goes you're gonna you're gonna fight these guys i stand with you

1028
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:47,920
and then eventually the entire settlement stands with vulcan and they beat the crap out of the

1029
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:54,320
drukhari they destroy the drukhari because they didn't expect to to to face the the the biggest

1030
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:59,760
bulkiest primarch there is you know wasn't he leading to warhammers he was like two years old

1031
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,120
or something when they did but he's i'm pretty sure he's already taller than all the guys there

1032
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:07,600
yeah he's bigger than like these guys who make metal work for a living like yeah pretty strong

1033
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:14,160
um and they they basically completely stop the the dark eldar from invading again they just go oh

1034
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:20,400
it's not worth it anymore and shortly thereafter when the planet's burgeoning or the or the um

1035
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:27,040
um i don't know it's not because iron hands have have uh well they they're not called tribes they're

1036
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:35,200
called um clans it's nocturne clans or is it a different title they have i think it's similar

1037
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:41,520
to i think it is clans but uh they don't go it's not clan blah blah blah it's something something

1038
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:46,320
clan well they got set they got like seven settlements and with the drukhari no longer

1039
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:53,520
raiding they unite they work together and everyone's happy and shortly thereafter uh a stranger

1040
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:58,000
i think actually this might be the when he's called the outlander whatever a stranger appears

1041
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:03,360
and they're like and and something to to be worth noting the nocturnians have a uh have a thing

1042
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:07,920
where they have these like glowing red eyes and jet black skin and all of a sudden there's like

1043
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:12,400
this white dude like who's this guy where did he come from he's like oh he's just a stranger just

1044
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:18,400
visited our planet and they're like okay uh what's up with him and he's like oh i heard you're having

1045
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:22,960
these revelries and you're having these you know these big trials these these games of endurance

1046
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:26,960
and strength to show off how cool you all are i want to put my hat in the ring and i want to try

1047
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:34,240
them out and so the the townsfolk go what you you know this scrawny guys from some weird planet we

1048
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:38,480
don't know about what you're going to do and say oh i'll challenge your biggest bulkiest strongest

1049
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:46,640
guy to any challenge so vulcan steps up and they they compete in these games and i'm not sure i if

1050
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:50,880
i remember correctly they kind of have an even split of wins between them like vulcan wins some

1051
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:56,640
stranger wins some and eventually they say we're going to sort this out with one final test where

1052
01:46:56,640 --> 01:47:00,160
we're going to hunt the salamanders of the wilds and these salamanders are not just like little

1053
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:06,640
lizards they're like dragons they're huge and the stranger says we'll go out there we'll go to this

1054
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:12,160
mountaintop where there's these big ones that roam around come back in like 24 hours whoever's got the

1055
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:20,160
biggest salamander corpse wins so vulcan kills one it's pretty big and he goes this is pretty

1056
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:24,960
good i'll take i'll take this back and then the the mountain he's on where there's a volcano erupts

1057
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:29,920
and it throat he's carrying this massive salamander and he falls off this i think it's a bridge or a

1058
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:34,640
ravine or something and he's like holding on by his fingertips and his salamander falls into the

1059
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:40,400
lava pits below and disintegrates i'll probably hold on to it for age i know he was holds on to

1060
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:44,720
it with one hand doesn't he yeah yeah he refuses to let go of it yeah i can't let go of this

1061
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:50,000
because it's it's like my prize then the stranger finds him hanging off this edge and goes pretty

1062
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:56,080
big salamander that and the stranger's got this gargantuan one on his back like one arm over his

1063
01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:02,000
shoulder like oh that's a pretty big salamander mine's bigger mine's like it's always like so

1064
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:07,840
sorry lost the competition but the but the almost folded there the stranger goes no i can't let you

1065
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:15,040
die and he just chucks away his salamander corpse and he goes i'll pull you up and vulcan's like no

1066
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:21,760
i can't like bollocks so he lets go of the salamander so he can you know take take the

1067
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:26,000
stranger of a hand and be pulled up and you know he's a big dude and this guy's oh just lift you

1068
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:33,360
up no problem i think he still has the corpse of the massive um salamander salamander yeah he doesn't

1069
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:38,480
drop it still oh yeah so the yeah the emperor castes in the fire to to save vulcan doesn't he

1070
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:44,240
and then he walked he walks across it to he sacrifices his own prize to make sure vulcan

1071
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:48,400
yeah so the vulcan can live and so they go back to the village and vulcan's like i've got this big

1072
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:53,840
salamander the emperor the stranger didn't get one vulcan's like no he he did it was i'm telling

1073
01:48:53,840 --> 01:49:01,040
you it was this big it was way bigger than mine um so the stranger actually won and the stranger

1074
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:06,160
revealed himself to be the emperor and said you you know you're pretty good at a lot of things my

1075
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:11,680
son why don't you come with me on my rocket ship i'll go back to holy terra and we'll show you some

1076
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:19,280
cool stuff and does that really dodge it like he said the emperor arrived and said get in my van

1077
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:28,880
oh that was it from um is it oh what's the car thing it flies the child catcher guy he's like

1078
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:34,960
oh children bang bang yeah come out so play yeah got out some lollipop and went come get your lolly

1079
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:41,360
no he didn't um that's an image yeah that is an image um but yeah then vulcan would be installed

1080
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:46,640
as the the the leader of the 18th primarch named the salamanders after their great bout of you know

1081
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:52,000
endurance and tests on nocturne and vulcan's a really nice guy like everyone loves vulcan

1082
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:57,040
he's a master craftsman he's the tallest primarch he's this big friendly giant and

1083
01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:04,000
everyone in the 40k universe community loves vulcan i don't i've never met anyone who says i

1084
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:08,240
don't like vulcan because he's just so likable he's nice he's good to his sons he's good to the

1085
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:14,960
people and the citizenry his his his legion is famously famously very good at you know protecting

1086
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:22,960
the innocent and being good fellows and he he he's he's not to the same standard of like horace or

1087
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:28,720
gilliam and where the imperium respects him like they respect them they still go oh i think the

1088
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:33,200
thing is with like nocturne because of their like glowing red eyes the imperium's kind of like oh i

1089
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:36,720
don't know about this guy he's kind of intimidating but then they go oh they're big softies they're

1090
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:41,280
big teddy bears oh we love them when we get to know them it's it's like the difference between

1091
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:45,840
like oh my god these are the great heroes of the imperium and vulcan's like this is my best friend

1092
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:54,560
i love this guy yeah exactly and um one fact about uh vulcan he cannot die because he is a

1093
01:50:54,560 --> 01:51:00,160
perpetual so every time he gets killed i'm not sure when he first discovered this um might have been

1094
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:06,240
istvan he correct us oh yeah it would have been it would have been this far yeah so on's like oh

1095
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:13,120
it's all going terribly bang oh i'm dead hang on i'm back that's weird and so yeah vulcan's special

1096
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:17,760
ability is he every time he dies you could you could you could you could drop him in a pit of

1097
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:24,960
lava and at what point at one point he is put in a pit of lava and he comes out unscathed somehow

1098
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:31,200
he just disintegrates and then i guess the the the carbon atoms of his body bubble up to the surface

1099
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:36,400
and then outside of the pit of lava they coalesce again into his body and starts off as like a

1100
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:41,760
skeleton then the tissue grows and then all of a sudden he's back to normal um i think the the

1101
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:50,320
worst one was when seizure terror magnus demon magnus destroys him on a on a molecular level

1102
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:58,480
until he's just a charcoals like skeleton thing and that starts to regenerate that's what i do

1103
01:51:58,480 --> 01:52:04,400
oh oh well curse curse puts him in like one of the engines of like the the nightfall but like straps

1104
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:08,400
into one of the engines at the back where like the exhaust isn't just disintegrates him and then he

1105
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:12,240
wakes up the next day and it's like vulcan's back what do you mean vulcan's back we put him in the

1106
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:18,000
and it's like no he's like he's in he's in the like mess room what and he can't keep him down

1107
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:23,840
you can't keep a good vulcan down and vulcan lives stomp stomp vulcan lives vulcan famously

1108
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:32,080
lives stomp stomp and uh basically vulcan was uh he he had he was so good at crafting stuff he had

1109
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:38,800
like hundreds of amazing wonders of of artifice and he famously told his forge master to kell

1110
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:44,240
i want you to only save i think it's nine of these relics and everything else you you chuck into the

1111
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:51,200
volcano volcano fires and destroy because he was so good at crafting weapons he was he was fearful

1112
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:54,880
that they would be used against the imperium so he said if i can't look after these things they're

1113
01:52:54,880 --> 01:53:00,720
going to get in the wrong hands and so i'm going to task my my most trusted forge master to burn

1114
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:05,760
everything that i that that we have because i'd rather burn all these wonders i've created in a

1115
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:12,400
fugue state rather than them be used by the traitors and uh he would die quote at the battle

1116
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:19,520
of istvan and he can't keep a good vulcan down he would not let that slow him down at all so uh

1117
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:24,400
anything else we want to mention about vulcan if anyone if i'm ready to is there one else want

1118
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:32,080
to go first or should i uh you could go i was gonna say if again if someone's new to warhammer

1119
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:38,480
and you're probably wondering sounds all right but why is everyone pretty like vulcan vulcan is the

1120
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:44,160
other than maybe gilliman and a few others vulcan is really raised like actually like a normal

1121
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:53,120
person like with family and love and he's actually given a healthy like a healthy life and that and

1122
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:59,520
he turns out obviously he's the most he's the most human truly the most human on the inside

1123
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:09,440
of the primarchs unless you are an unarmed elder child i was thinking that yeah then you get the

1124
01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:14,400
flamethrower have you seen that meme of the salamanders in the bushes and his nails oh my

1125
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:18,720
gosh this is wrong and he just chucks a knife and he's like it's got a wife and sets fire

1126
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:28,240
he's he's he's really he's not just fight when we say nice he is he's not just nice like he can

1127
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:36,000
really lay it down uh if he needs that sounds less filthy he he puts between a child and an orbital

1128
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:43,280
bombardment doesn't he in the heart of the dragon he also um i was like he that even when he's even

1129
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:50,160
amongst his brothers as well he the reason he wouldn't often win against him in so-called like

1130
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:56,320
duels or like bouts like people don't often rank him high up on like the who's the best duelist

1131
01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:01,840
is because he would always hold back because he's the only one of them who didn't want to hurt them

1132
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:07,200
he actually loved them and so he would always hold back and then obviously famously basically

1133
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:12,080
after the point of in the heresy when he decided all right i'm not holding back anymore he's

1134
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:18,640
basically won every fight since then like he i'm not holding back proceeds to crunk cause like

1135
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:27,440
it's also a hammer the best line ever and like literally smash like you know uh with the hammer

1136
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:34,720
and uh who's the character in smash bros who like um ice climb yeah it might be that yeah and then

1137
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:40,240
just like just absolutely crunks or like either um it's smash bros when you do the move with the

1138
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:46,160
baseball bat oh yeah he like and then someone goes flying off the edge that was a vulcan

1139
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:48,800
uh singing that one where it's like like that that power hand it's like

1140
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:58,560
that the strongest one he even he beat magnus as well in the throne room he literally

1141
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:03,280
there's a it sounds really awful in this when you read the book like the description of it

1142
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:11,920
because basically magnus tries to uh kill the emperor he fails and then accidentally kills

1143
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:17,840
one of vulcan's sons in front of him and he just goes no you dickhead and he just i don't know if

1144
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:22,720
he said that exactly no he did say that there's a really funny it's really a bit morbid but it's

1145
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:27,920
funny because then him and two other salamanders proceeds like kind of you know when someone on

1146
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:32,480
the floor and they're like they're kicking them when they're down so it's like beating on him

1147
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:36,240
like one of them cuts his hand off and then just they're all just like cranking like oh like you

1148
01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:41,200
know just smacking him so vulcan can actually beat a lot of the other primarchs because he is

1149
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:45,760
physically the strongest one out of all of them he's always held back because he's so nice to be

1150
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:50,400
to be fair to magnus he did kill vulcan to then not be fair to magnus that doesn't mean anything

1151
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:57,760
he killed him later he for a demon magnus killed him normal magnus couldn't oh yeah no i mean even

1152
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:02,880
ferris manus in that i believe his heart the dragon is like observing him fighting and he's like

1153
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:09,120
yeah he's a destroyer i think that's the word he uses like in a fight i've seen the other primarchs

1154
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:17,680
fight he he goes scorched forgive the pun scorched earth because salamanders love fire and uh yeah but

1155
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:22,240
he's a very nice chap he's very wholesome you know all the memes he's usually like they're really like

1156
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:29,360
the guy who loves dogs stuff like that like oh i love vulcan he's a friendly giant but again a giant

1157
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:35,440
that can probably flatten you have a literally pancake but choosers not do because he's a nice

1158
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:42,160
guy pancake pancake use an actual term we have to use now he can pancake pancake pancakes a word

1159
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:49,680
bearing flat right take that um but other than that uh otherwise colin would you like to resume

1160
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:54,640
on our last loyalist uh to talk about for the whole of the primarchs we've covered so far

1161
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:59,760
i would but really quickly there's a comparison actually as you were speaking with a warhammer

1162
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:04,960
fantasy character if i could do that real quick sure i know this is going i was thinking it as

1163
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:08,800
well it was like that popped in my head as you were speaking it was like all right someone at

1164
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:14,800
gw copied their homework uh but it's uh the character's name actually their names are even

1165
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:24,800
kind of similar uh vaulton he's uh the so he was born and kind of like vulcan he has like this

1166
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:30,320
understanding of craftsmanship he's born stronger and more intelligent than the others

1167
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:37,040
and in the way you know vulcan's a primarch he's kind of obviously special because he's the size

1168
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:43,440
of three grown men at age three uh vaulton was born with a twin-tailed comet birthmark

1169
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:48,560
the uh sign of sigmar so both of them are kind of marked for greatness and even both of them are

1170
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:56,400
both raised by blacksmiths and learn how to be smiths and even they have the exact same like

1171
01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:03,360
combat thing too almost to a t where uh in vulcan's case is the dark eldar in vaulton's case

1172
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:11,680
a massive horde of beastmen raid the village he's born in and sure enough uh vaulton picks up two

1173
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:17,760
of his father's blacksmith hammers goes to town and all the villagers fight with him and drive off

1174
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:23,280
the beastman so it's like poetry they rhyme yeah it was like oh as you were speaking i was like

1175
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:28,560
that is neat i was thinking that i didn't want to mention that because i thought you might mention

1176
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:35,760
vaulton at some point is he born in sigmar or not actually reborn sigmar so a portion of sigmar's

1177
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:44,000
power is in vaulton and a portion of it is in galmar as and then when vaulton the empire endures

1178
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:49,680
except it doesn't because vaulton's an end times character i don't want to spoil and spoil what

1179
01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:56,160
happens to him but it is uh pain this is a certified death master moment

1180
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:03,360
classic there and i was like it's not a classic this is a garbage fire

1181
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:07,360
nobel peace prize and above that is certified hood class

1182
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:13,920
that's an achievement oh like one of them but uh but yeah that was that was just something as

1183
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:21,120
we were you speak it was like oh hang on a minute they rhyme like you said uh well with that said

1184
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:26,880
shall we clothe the raven we shall quote the raven nevermore bird bird bird bird bird nevermore

1185
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:34,560
corvus corex are you serious i've mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still

1186
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:41,920
that i've become invisible to the eye uh sums it up basically that's uh that's that's that's

1187
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:52,640
corvus corex for you corvus corex is kaka kaka he was uh he landed on the moon lisaeus uh once again

1188
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:57,520
apologies to any greek speakers out there all right believe it's all right lisaeus i gotta write

1189
02:00:58,240 --> 02:01:04,560
yeah which was a like like like chaos lisaeus one of the two uh but this it was a moon orbiting the

1190
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:12,160
planet of kiavar kiavar was a forge world while lisaeus was basically a planet-wide mining pit

1191
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:16,240
that would supply the forge world with materials for them to make all their stuff they had guilds

1192
02:01:16,240 --> 02:01:23,680
down on kiavar and they supplied themselves with the slave labor up on lisaeus and when corvus

1193
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:28,240
landed there the people who found him believed that he was a savior they had been waiting for

1194
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:34,400
and because of you know and you know he's a baby that falls out of the sky seems to be doing

1195
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:40,000
quite well for himself for a baby that fell out of the sky so despite the fact that because they're

1196
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:46,000
slaves they don't exactly have a lot to go around they pull together what they have to keep him alive

1197
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:52,240
and train him and all the things they know so because they they're kind of going all in on

1198
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:59,920
corvus being the savior the uh they train them in the art things like rulership philosophy politics

1199
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:08,080
but more uh relevantly for course corvus's skill set all sorts of covert black ops stuff stealth

1200
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:14,880
sabotage if you really need to do an assassination sneaking about all that uh sneaky stuff the his

1201
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:22,880
legion would become known for and as he was growing up he slowly diverted resources to weapons

1202
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:27,600
productions he didn't do it all at once he made sure to be quiet about it so that the guilds down

1203
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:32,720
in kiavar wouldn't notice this uh the shipment is about half as big it should have been and these

1204
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:36,960
slaves have a lot more weapons than they did before he was very cautious with it and he would

1205
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:44,560
store away weapons into caches to be used for later and while he was doing that him and his operatives

1206
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:52,400
would essentially stoke the fires of rebellion so they stoke discontent they'd cause riots at key

1207
02:02:52,400 --> 02:03:00,560
moments and locations and uh just imagine the world's most emo french resistant operative and uh

1208
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:12,560
you got corvus corax and uh when it was finally time for open open uh revolt

1209
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:18,800
is that what god what's what's that line from dawn of war uh corvus deployed multiple simultaneous

1210
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:26,560
and devastating deep strikes across lysaias uh with all those weapons that he had uh been storing away

1211
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:36,320
and when kiavar responded with its military proper corvus and his forces used just the best urban

1212
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:45,200
combat hint run tactics you have ever seen in your life and wore them down with just unparalleled uh

1213
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:52,640
tactical and strategic uh warfare and it came to a head when the gravity tethers used to

1214
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:58,720
fairy supplies to kiavar were nuked uh so if you played if you ever played halo 3 odst

1215
02:03:59,600 --> 02:04:03,840
that mission where the new mambasa the space elevator falls apart in front of you

1216
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:10,560
that only multiple times eat fur straight into hell and back again

1217
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:16,720
uh and this uh caused the plant kiavar because its sources of supplies are no longer existent

1218
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:23,200
plunged into civil war and the plant the inhabitants of kiavar renamed the planet to deliverance

1219
02:04:24,160 --> 02:04:30,240
and i think yeah corvus is corvus corax's name even translates to savior or deliverer if i'm

1220
02:04:31,200 --> 02:04:36,400
remembering the exact thing correctly but not the one we hear because we know exactly what it means

1221
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:45,680
no because his name means bird bird for us raven raven oh what oh thank you dw that's almost as bad

1222
02:04:45,680 --> 02:04:53,680
as iron hands oh someone corrected me the day on my iron hands video ferris manus doesn't mean iron

1223
02:04:53,680 --> 02:05:02,960
hands what does it mean it means iron man i know it's not it's not much better manus manus

1224
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:10,320
brow brow manus manus it is not actually iron congratulations we're up from an f to an f plus

1225
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:18,240
i guess it was iron hands be like uh ferris appendage was appendus no one hasn't noticed by

1226
02:05:18,240 --> 02:05:28,240
the way this there's a heavy um cough the raven uh edgar allen pow yeah which is garland pow is

1227
02:05:28,240 --> 02:05:35,440
corvus corax which is funny because i read that he doesn't really like poetry it just it's really

1228
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:42,160
funny to me i think oh there's like a whole also his life kind of rhymes with elements of that poem

1229
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:47,840
as well which is like oh i i it's one of the few things where like if you read it you go it's not

1230
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:55,040
too bad but from when you describe it to you the listeners our victims you think what are these

1231
02:05:55,040 --> 02:06:01,360
people talking about this person copied my homework when it's not some when it's summed up in five

1232
02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:08,160
minutes and not a 300 page novel it's kind of insufferable not insufferable but it's like oh

1233
02:06:08,160 --> 02:06:13,920
that is so heavy-handed it's it's better it's a bit pretentious we can say that like arcan land

1234
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:20,400
and land raiders that's not even pretentious that's just stupid that's the guy that's like good

1235
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:28,000
stupid though this is corvus corax this is feels lazy at times bird bird i'd say unfortunately he

1236
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:34,160
has i hate to say it guy hailey's has got one of the worst primark books as like the just the

1237
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:42,960
exclusive primark novels i didn't uh have you read that one andy too the which one corax the corax um

1238
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:47,920
just the primark not yet not yet i mean to be honest i wasn't really a fan of the magnus one

1239
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:54,320
i was reading that i was listening to that i was like oh it's a bit slow is it really meh ones i

1240
02:06:54,320 --> 02:07:00,320
think that one unfortunately has one of the most boring it's really annoying because guy hailey

1241
02:07:00,320 --> 02:07:06,080
is a really good writer but i think he's given when he's when you're given corvus corax unfortunately

1242
02:07:07,600 --> 02:07:11,920
it has a slight trouble where a lot of the other legions have like an interesting

1243
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:20,720
cultural or thing to draw from let draw from the raven garden corvus corax's draw is not

1244
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:28,080
as at least i'll say to me not as compelling every other pages and then he brooded in the corner

1245
02:07:28,080 --> 02:07:36,880
menacingly nevermore yeah he's he's not he's not bad it's just i will say something good about him

1246
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:45,840
which is uh his flaw as a human being is written quite well because he is obviously he looks very

1247
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:51,120
similar to comrade curse there's there's obviously a coincidence there the reason that him and

1248
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:57,280
you know the gaunt you know gaunt features black hair and black eyes the reason they obviously

1249
02:07:57,280 --> 02:08:03,600
look so similar but they also have a both have a problem with justice and corvus corax's problem

1250
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:12,800
is similarly that he just he just cannot uh let go of things and so he even in his own prime art

1251
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:19,360
book he rather than making a sound tactical decision he actually abandons his theater of war

1252
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:27,120
to chase down a criminal who would escape it even though it's not the it was he was making a moral

1253
02:08:27,120 --> 02:08:33,440
he was making a moral decision that wouldn't that would obviously affect the battle in itself and

1254
02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:38,560
it shows you he's got kind of a similar problem with comrade where he just needs he doesn't let

1255
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:45,360
people escape his vengeance okay well if that's the case then do you reckon if conrad and corax

1256
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:52,080
what places that corax would be as bad as curse or that was their whole thing that's what yeah

1257
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:57,040
that's what which side are you taking are you taking the night haunter or the liberator

1258
02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:03,520
i'll elia go first i think i need to i i remember something about it but i need to digest it elia

1259
02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:09,360
what do you think uh i think he'd probably end up just as bad as curse but i don't really

1260
02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:12,880
i don't know much about him other than he got ratioed by the alpha legion

1261
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:22,800
and also in my in my filthy disgusting alternate reality uh conrad happens to be the perfect

1262
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:27,920
gene steeler cult primark it's just throwing that oh that is quite heresco that one

1263
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:36,160
what do you think colin uh i mean i don't i i like i like i mean i like corvus more

1264
02:09:36,720 --> 02:09:42,080
i i don't even know i that he's hard to know isn't he most people don't know much about i think

1265
02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:48,400
conrad curse is pretty cool uh at least in like the whole like just with his psychic visions and

1266
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:53,680
being tormented all the time and his whole thing with fate but i do like how corvus saw his legion

1267
02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:58,800
and was like i need to change this because otherwise i'm going to end up like that guy

1268
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:03,440
over there so i don't know corvus has some definitely has some bright spots but

1269
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:08,800
and ding what do you think well the thing i was thinking about this a while back like

1270
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:14,960
the corex has the innate ability to absorb the darkness and be invisible one of the reasons he

1271
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:19,840
isn't found on like as is because he can literally just people can look straight at him and not see

1272
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:25,360
him so i feel like if he grew up on the stramo instead of massacring people to survive he'd be

1273
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:32,080
able to just skulk and sneak around and and avoid conflict in that regard and maybe i maybe it's just

1274
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:38,240
me thinking oh corex is a good boy he would maybe target the elites and then rather than

1275
02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:43,280
preying on the populace whereas like because if he was on like chaos he would kind of do the same

1276
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:49,680
thing because you know corex is there going ah you merely adopted the dark i was born in it

1277
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:53,920
by it and just he could he would do it in a different way and i feel like

1278
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:59,280
he would he would get different outcomes maybe that's just me making mental gymnastics but i

1279
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:05,280
feel like the core principles of those two are so different in their own way yeah that they would

1280
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:12,160
get similar outcomes actually funny enough i just remembered it i had to think about it so i remember

1281
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:17,040
it's been a while since i've read corvus's uh books unfortunately i had to read all of them i

1282
02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:25,440
suffered but i remember it's funny because in each of like comrades and corvus's books when they talk

1283
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:31,520
about each other comrade admits he's jealous of corvus in a way because he's like he obviously

1284
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:40,640
mastered the shadows whereas common just lived in it where corvus has a thing where he deeply like

1285
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:48,720
hates himself on some level and he often thinks that he actually would have if he had landed like

1286
02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:53,280
similar if he wasn't basically raised with people who took care of him he probably would have ended

1287
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:58,880
up like comrade like a monster so he doesn't really that like he has like a deep fear about

1288
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:04,240
ending up like that and also there's like a there's a gene flaw within the raven car that most people

1289
02:12:04,240 --> 02:12:09,680
don't know about which is i can't remember the name of it but they actually like a member can

1290
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:15,840
fall into a state of like deep self-loathing like it's literally in his blood they get like really

1291
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:23,760
angry they get really like moody and broody blood to be emo yeah pretty much yeah and they they

1292
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:28,560
can't they just start finding hot topic shirts everywhere like where did i get this i don't even

1293
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:33,040
know this band whose shirt what's this they're pretty much someone like as they go like through

1294
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:36,720
the stages they don't communicate well with other marines and they like get really like

1295
02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:43,600
uh fidgety and purse it's just like they just become moody gits the longer it goes on it's like

1296
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:50,240
they they can't very rarely do some of them make it out of it as well so most of them ended up

1297
02:12:50,240 --> 02:12:56,960
just go they go to like these special squads that are essentially used as like oh you'll do basically

1298
02:12:56,960 --> 02:13:04,320
whatever mission is like got 0.1 odds you'll be the hornyest i think so yeah but they there's

1299
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:09,840
something within corvus where he's deeply self-loathing and especially after is fine i mean

1300
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:16,640
fucking i know his entire leasing get as soon as he's at is funny as an outlet he's like cut my foes

1301
02:13:16,640 --> 02:13:34,400
into pieces this is my master he is some redeeming quality about him he is kind of like gilliamon in

1302
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:39,440
the sense that he's actually extremely competent and there's a there's a cool part of one of the

1303
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:47,280
novels where he returns back to terror and they go to get the some of the special gene seed primark

1304
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:54,640
gene seed in the emperor's lab and the emperor shows core called how to basically navigate it

1305
02:13:54,640 --> 02:13:58,880
and he kind of does that thing where like he goes like all right i'm going mind state and he

1306
02:13:58,880 --> 02:14:05,520
basically navigates an entire he navigates his legionaries and custodians through like an entire

1307
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:10,560
maze like just with his he does that thing in the robert downey jr. sherlock holmes films where he's

1308
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:16,800
like envisioning he's like yeah do this and that and then that i think you're a jimmy neutron brain

1309
02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:26,640
blast yeah a little bit cooler than that but he is yeah the downsides of corvus unfortunately are

1310
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:32,400
like some of the writing stuff but in general he said well he's all right he's he's kind of cool

1311
02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:38,240
and obviously fighting against the raven god is terrifying because it's just you know basically

1312
02:14:38,240 --> 02:14:42,400
their shadows the enemy is the shadows where are they it's like fighting a million battles

1313
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:48,080
where are they where are they where are we going to get back from to uh to wrap off with chorus

1314
02:14:48,080 --> 02:14:57,120
court court court birdman course birdman harvey birdman dunnett law he uh the emperor arrives on

1315
02:14:57,120 --> 02:15:04,080
the same day as the renaming of the planet to deliverance and he was pretty happy with the

1316
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:10,800
court with what with what corvus had done and in exchange for the emperor helping restore order

1317
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:14,880
down on kiavar so you know corvus he's got he's got a sense of justice he's not too vengeful

1318
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:22,720
he uh the corvus will take command of the raven guard legion of space marines uh they spoke for

1319
02:15:22,720 --> 02:15:26,800
a couple days no one knows what they said that just kind of they hashed out that deal during

1320
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:34,960
that time and corvus would uh as i kind of said a bit earlier he would he was not a fan of the

1321
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:42,240
terran elements of his legion because they were a bit too uh night hauntery for him for his likings

1322
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:48,160
so they would uh he would kind of send them off to do things separate from the rest of the legion

1323
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:55,280
and then uh they uh go across the galaxy great crusading very sneakily and then interestingly

1324
02:15:55,280 --> 02:16:00,800
enough two things he uh he is the guy i kind of said earlier he was the one primarch who wasn't

1325
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:08,000
the biggest fan of horus i believe i the reason was horus kind of ordered him to do like a frontal

1326
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:14,240
assault of a fortified enemy location 65 or something like 46 gate 46 yeah he's like uses

1327
02:16:14,240 --> 02:16:18,720
them as pawns and he's like my son and he's very protective of his studies as well like he does not

1328
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:24,880
like his men dying at all yeah so horus forced him into something that a was completely out of the

1329
02:16:24,880 --> 02:16:31,680
raven guards element standard operating procedure and b resulted in a lot of dead birds so corvus was

1330
02:16:31,680 --> 02:16:39,280
not out of all the primarchs corvus corex was probably the only one who did not like horus

1331
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:45,200
because of that and if i remember correctly that was rather early on in the uh horus's tenure as

1332
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:52,560
the war master so that could have been horus's kind of growing pains as the war master although

1333
02:16:52,560 --> 02:16:56,160
that being said i could just be giving horus credit and maybe he was just being a prick

1334
02:16:57,440 --> 02:17:01,840
i mean he didn't think it through he's like i want the raven guard to do like an iron warriors-esque

1335
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:07,360
frontal assault yeah brah do you know what the raven guard do are you what are you on about yeah

1336
02:17:07,360 --> 02:17:12,240
i'm gonna do sneaky stuff that's what they do not not great showing by horus funny that he

1337
02:17:12,240 --> 02:17:15,840
then again horus also didn't like his men dying so he was like oh the raven guard can die instead

1338
02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:21,600
because my son my son's more important basically fuck you got mine yeah like i'm not i'm not sending

1339
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:27,520
my men to do the dirty work and get no you do it yeah and then uh one last thing for horus he had

1340
02:17:27,520 --> 02:17:35,200
or not horus chorus oh my god corvus corex stop stop naming characters ending with us

1341
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:43,600
gwi beckham raven man edgar ellen poe he uh he had an older sister slash mother figure named

1342
02:17:44,320 --> 02:17:50,640
net suri effrenia which i thought was neat oh yeah she's the one who when he crash landed

1343
02:17:50,640 --> 02:17:55,520
he saw the little girl in front of his capsule she's the first human he ever saw and then later

1344
02:17:56,080 --> 02:18:01,120
he uh he saves her life and then she goes on to become a ship master if i remember correctly

1345
02:18:01,120 --> 02:18:07,920
she's like she's revised she takes him from istvan and she like she basically lives she's an old lady

1346
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:14,160
by that time and she's been she's been out in the bauhs yeah she's she's pretty old but she's pretty

1347
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:20,160
it's pretty cute that part because like he rides back on the ship armor damage and you know most of

1348
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:24,400
his legion died it's just like oh there you are friend what are you doing on his fan step brother

1349
02:18:25,360 --> 02:18:27,280
oh yeah why'd you ruin it it was so nice

1350
02:18:30,640 --> 02:18:35,760
oh it's a very glad call in moment i lied in the script when i said i would hold myself back from

1351
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:45,920
any uncouth jokes and uh with that andy would you like to talk about the alpha legion guys

1352
02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:49,680
is

1353
02:18:55,760 --> 02:19:01,360
all right okay um so little is known about our faris good night folks that's all we got

1354
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:09,280
thanks guys for listening we appreciate it yeah like and subscribe um no okay um it's kind of

1355
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:13,920
again i know i said um who's i said on the primarch the horse there isn't much before the heresy

1356
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:20,000
how far is there isn't much at all that's kind of his thing um but yeah the the interesting thing

1357
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:27,920
about the 20th primarch is there's actually two and we have to disclaimer this um according to

1358
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:34,480
our faris the guy who's known to be a manipulator and a liar he was the first primarch ever to be

1359
02:19:34,480 --> 02:19:40,720
found so take it with a grain of salt the idea is uh when the primarchs were scattered across the stars

1360
02:19:40,720 --> 02:19:48,720
one of the twins omega would be spirited away but our farius actually never left terror the

1361
02:19:49,440 --> 02:19:54,080
i i can't remember exactly where it was but the emperor and the custodians just kind of go like

1362
02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:58,320
oh here's one like they just go outside and there's just a pod on the floor and they're like found him

1363
02:19:58,320 --> 02:20:03,920
cool that's that's a quick quick primarch found oh my god you have to i have to say the the

1364
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:10,400
emperor actually does superhero landing it's so funny in the book because it's like he gets

1365
02:20:10,400 --> 02:20:14,640
out the pod and they're like like scrounging humans next to it like they're they're wondering

1366
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:19,200
like what's going on and the baby our far is is like i'm gonna have to fight these people and then

1367
02:20:19,200 --> 02:20:23,760
it's just superhero landing and then like golden man descends that he just kills all all he's like

1368
02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:28,320
i'm sorry i had to do that i like to imagine the emperor was going for a snack and he opened his

1369
02:20:28,320 --> 02:20:34,320
drawer he's like oh there's a baby in here oh it's the what's the one no one likes oh wait that's my

1370
02:20:34,320 --> 02:20:42,400
baby that licorice flavored oh oh dear anyway moving on swiftly from that comment um so

1371
02:20:43,440 --> 02:20:48,640
according to our far as he was mentored by the emperor for a very long time because

1372
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:53,360
even though kafonia was close it still took the took the emperor a while to find horace lubicao

1373
02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:59,360
and so alpharius sneakily positions himself as actually the protagonist of the 40k universe

1374
02:20:59,360 --> 02:21:04,720
and says oh actually i was the first one found i was the one the emperor trusted most i killed

1375
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:11,680
a custodian on my own on icool and he basically says that he was he was kind of like the emperor's

1376
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:17,040
sleeper cell contingency for all the plans he made he bigs himself up as the one who's

1377
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:24,800
the one working in the shadows malcador-esque doing dirty work and sneaky stuff and also putting on a

1378
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:30,880
public face and masterminding a lot of the stuff that the other primarchs aren't privy to again

1379
02:21:30,880 --> 02:21:38,000
take it with a grain of salt it's the alpha legion um alpharius would reunite with his brother omegon

1380
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:44,400
and once they once they got the band back together alpha legion alpha legion alpha legion all over

1381
02:21:44,400 --> 02:21:51,280
the place and no one knows exactly what they were up to or what they do um their allegiances up to

1382
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:57,360
the horus heresy we you know some people say alpharius is a loyalist others say he's a traitor

1383
02:21:57,360 --> 02:22:02,400
others say that omegon's the traitor and alpharius is the loyalist some people say omegon is alpharius

1384
02:22:02,400 --> 02:22:07,120
and alpharius is omegon some people say that rebute gilman is alpharius some people say that

1385
02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:13,040
alpharius died at the hands of dawn others say that gilman killed him others say that ted on

1386
02:22:13,040 --> 02:22:18,800
planet nova scotia killed him no one knows it's the alpha legion alpharius i are the

1387
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:24,160
hydrodominators i am alpharius this is a lie i don't know what more to say it's alpharius he's

1388
02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:29,280
good at infiltrating his short he hasn't you're actually losing it he has great intelligence but

1389
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:33,280
no one knows whose side he's on is he a heretic is he alive is he dead is he a loyalist i don't

1390
02:22:33,280 --> 02:22:39,280
know it's alpharius alpharius everyone this is a lie let me this is let me it's too much energy

1391
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:48,400
let me walk you through a scenario let's say alpharius goes to mcdonald's to pick up a burger

1392
02:22:48,400 --> 02:22:53,440
here's how games workshop would write that alpharius went to mcdonald's to pick up a burger

1393
02:22:53,440 --> 02:22:57,520
but maybe it was burger king and maybe it was the space marine it wasn't alpharius but what if it

1394
02:22:57,520 --> 02:23:02,080
was alpharius but it was omegon we won't tell you any answers because we don't know what a mystery

1395
02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:06,240
is we're just going to throw what is a big mac all all of the what is a big mac did he really

1396
02:23:06,240 --> 02:23:10,160
order a burger maybe it was a shamrock shake by the way go get yourself a shamrock shake this is not

1397
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:17,360
sponsored i just fucking love shamrock shakes uh yeah it's the the alpha legions writing is to

1398
02:23:17,360 --> 02:23:22,800
throw all of the questions you could possibly have on the floor and then never pick them up never

1399
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:28,480
answer them some say that alpharius went for the vegan option but we all know that alpharius is a

1400
02:23:28,480 --> 02:23:35,440
cannibal uh no a carnivore this is a lie it's like but that itself is a lie alpharius is vegan but

1401
02:23:35,440 --> 02:23:41,520
he's not he's i don't know how to write mysteries omegon says he's a pescatarian but we all know

1402
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:47,920
that omegon lies and if you're slightly but this is a lie if you're slightly lost uh listening to

1403
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:56,320
this for the new people here uh the alpha legion uh deception of lies themselves they're pretty

1404
02:23:56,320 --> 02:24:02,080
hard to follow at times and often to us i think as well someone's quite frustrating because it's

1405
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:08,400
there's a bit of a trope of aha we knew all along that kind of thing in certain stories you have

1406
02:24:08,400 --> 02:24:15,600
various like alpharis all along yeah it's a little bit frustrating but they are pretty they are cool

1407
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:20,880
in many ways but that's it's a big overarching trope though the premise could be cool it's just

1408
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:25,440
an execution you'll never get any straight answers which again mystery is cool i like when there's

1409
02:24:25,440 --> 02:24:31,840
mysteries give you stuff to talk about but nothing is ever answered and it's just it just gets

1410
02:24:31,840 --> 02:24:38,400
frustrating after a while when and and like you said hell add on top of that every other drop of

1411
02:24:38,400 --> 02:24:45,680
a hat games workshop we go oh actually the alpha legion planned this all along or did they here's

1412
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:51,040
a question see if we can get a consensus on this uh did alpharius get killed by roguedorn yes or no

1413
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:59,680
yes maybe no technically see three different answers right there it's a no my legion because

1414
02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:06,080
this is some deep this is like deeper i think this theory is conjecture i think this is this is

1415
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:10,800
this is slightly condensate i don't think it's that grounded no it's in the alpha legion book

1416
02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:19,680
when alpharis and omegon met omegon was found last alpharis supposedly first when they when he

1417
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:26,560
rescued his brother and they arrived back on their flagship they agreed to trade places

1418
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:33,600
permanently so the alpharis who had been on terror then became omegon and so therefore throughout

1419
02:25:33,600 --> 02:25:40,400
the horrors heresy where it seemed like omegon was sabotaging at certain stages that was the

1420
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:47,040
alpharis who's slightly more terran loyal because he obviously grew up on terror so when we say

1421
02:25:47,040 --> 02:25:54,640
alphari got killed by roguedorn that's actually omegon who was whisked away by the chaos gods to

1422
02:25:54,640 --> 02:26:01,600
a different planet so alpharis didn't die that day alpharis is considered alive well of course

1423
02:26:01,600 --> 02:26:06,000
if that makes sense then flip that around how do we know they didn't switch places again or how do

1424
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:14,880
we know that like musical chairs didn't just lie about it we'll never know but most of the

1425
02:26:15,520 --> 02:26:20,480
alpha legion also have one of the better books in the entire horrors heresy which is the book legion

1426
02:26:20,480 --> 02:26:27,680
because they do have uh they are quite interesting in the fact that they operate like i think you

1427
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:33,200
say colin you like how the ultramarines operate like a modern army the alpha legion in some of

1428
02:26:33,200 --> 02:26:40,560
the books which they're good in they actually operate like a modern espionage cell cia they

1429
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:47,040
are comp they really are competent and that is annoying when there's so much like but uh huh

1430
02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:55,360
but the true thing all along but they do have their redeeming factor is that they do outclass

1431
02:26:55,360 --> 02:27:02,080
a lot of the legions not necessarily in combat but in terms of the other legions will win the battle

1432
02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:07,760
but the alpha legion will always win the war but they but if they have to agree on what war they're

1433
02:27:07,760 --> 02:27:13,440
fighting first if you know i guess the real alpharius was the alpharius as we made along the

1434
02:27:13,440 --> 02:27:19,120
way yeah that's right i think elia you hate that book don't you where alpharius dies too

1435
02:27:19,120 --> 02:27:23,760
the i wasn't a big fan of it why do you why do you hate that one so much because i haven't read it

1436
02:27:23,760 --> 02:27:30,160
yet it's been a while since i read it but it's mostly like i'm roguel torn and i'm smarter than

1437
02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:34,880
alpharius and i'm gonna outsmart the alpha legion at their own game for an entire book because the

1438
02:27:34,880 --> 02:27:39,920
alpha legion are prideful and because of that one negative trait they're gonna lose every battle in

1439
02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:45,920
this book that's that's that sums it up to me yeah there's something is there is like a bit where

1440
02:27:46,640 --> 02:27:51,040
the alpha legion deal with the shattered legions with um the iron hands and such and there's like

1441
02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:56,560
a bit where alpharius wink gets shot in the head and his brain gets blown out and then the real

1442
02:27:56,560 --> 02:28:01,280
alpharius turns up and he's so and if it is him he's so smarmy he like he outclasses all the

1443
02:28:01,280 --> 02:28:05,920
remaining assulties he kills a few he wounds a few and he's like oh look over there i'm about

1444
02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:10,640
to detonate this bomb tee hee hee oh you're not so clever hello nicona sharrigan you're a good

1445
02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:15,200
swordsman but i'm better don't try it bye it's like alpharius could you stop being smarmy for

1446
02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:20,720
two minutes that's that kind of that's the fatal flaw of it's always hard to know particularly the

1447
02:28:20,720 --> 02:28:28,080
20th primarch is true personality but the that's like kind of his fatal four isn't it where he

1448
02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:34,240
he wants others to see his brilliance he has a certain even though he's meant to be a stealth

1449
02:28:34,240 --> 02:28:41,920
and well not sorry not stealth but i mean uh sb deceptive espionage legion they do want others

1450
02:28:41,920 --> 02:28:48,160
to recognize it does make sense because they never get like any glory and so he's probably a bit like

1451
02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:53,200
oh my brothers get all this renown and i i want i want like a little just a little to satisfy me

1452
02:28:53,200 --> 02:29:01,040
it's like a serial killer leading notes to the police it is exactly that that's pretty that's

1453
02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:06,480
pretty spot on is uh something okay sorry i was i was just gonna say as far as i'm concerned

1454
02:29:06,480 --> 02:29:10,640
roguel dorn is my top favorite primarchs because he took a chain through the walfari is his face

1455
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:19,520
because he cut his arms off first didn't he as well even better he died pretty badly one slight

1456
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:27,760
redeeming thing about alpharius he actually values like normal humans to the same degree of like

1457
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:33,440
space marines so the alphalegion often use operatives and they they've conquered worlds

1458
02:29:33,440 --> 02:29:38,320
without even putting a space marine on it yeah they conquered well as firing a single shot with

1459
02:29:38,320 --> 02:29:44,720
like um exodus they're like specialist sniper they're pretty efficient um can i just mention

1460
02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:52,880
like stupid um colin you said roguel dawn cut off alpharius's arms and then before he died roguel

1461
02:29:52,880 --> 02:29:59,840
dawn said to alpharius hydra domina armless

1462
02:30:01,360 --> 02:30:08,720
no it's it's it could be annoying but i would say like in the uh alphalegion sorry alphalegion

1463
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:14,240
alpharis book though i did like some people i've seen that some of the other creators they don't

1464
02:30:14,240 --> 02:30:21,680
like that alpharis seems quite normal when he interacts with normal people but alpharis does

1465
02:30:21,680 --> 02:30:27,280
talk to like space friends can be a bit condescending and they'll talk to other you

1466
02:30:27,280 --> 02:30:33,440
know space we're with the super soldiers we're the best and alphalegion value the humans as much as

1467
02:30:33,440 --> 02:30:40,240
the astartes in their legion so their legion serfs are actually treated like equals which is

1468
02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:46,720
quite i like that because it shows how they function like an actual army would even though

1469
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:52,320
they're a bit they're a bit you know of their own end shall we say in terms of oh we are smarter

1470
02:30:52,320 --> 02:30:56,800
than everyone if you if you bear the brand of the the hydra you're one of us doesn't matter if you're

1471
02:30:56,800 --> 02:31:02,000
astartes or not which is fairly admirable also that's pretty cool primarch armor alpharis's armor

1472
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:09,680
the best armor he does by far he does oh my lord i will give gorgeous the hydra armor is by far

1473
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:16,560
the coolest primarch i far i i'm in love with it it's my favorite look by this one run your

1474
02:31:16,560 --> 02:31:21,280
hands on the scales and be like look at the grooves it's the only one i'd think i would actually wear

1475
02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:26,160
that suit of armor out of all of the other primarchs i wouldn't wear magnus's like horned

1476
02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:34,960
uh monstrosity or the nipple horns or um doorways and everything i wouldn't wear that yeah it's the

1477
02:31:34,960 --> 02:31:40,880
only piece of armor i'd like i i'd wear that piece because that's glorious and also his weapon is

1478
02:31:40,880 --> 02:31:47,680
pretty cool vulcans uh cool i know if it's chunk and i'll be too heavy well but i'd actually all of

1479
02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:54,720
the primarchs would be too heavy alpharis is still like 10 feet tall in my head i'm not normal size

1480
02:31:54,720 --> 02:32:00,640
of me in a primarch sized armor i don't know if this could be in your head that you can have

1481
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:06,720
vulcans armor too it's all i know it no it just looks too chunky yeah you can move fast i'm i'm a

1482
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:11,200
i'm a jagatai simp i'd be like i like that cool because it's not like bulky armor it's got that

1483
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:16,560
drip now even sanguine has got that drip with the like it's not not a um a cheetah but it's like

1484
02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:21,920
that big pelt that he wears and it's like the slow leopard looking thing i quite like the lion's armor

1485
02:32:21,920 --> 02:32:27,760
when he has his helmet on looks like a cool knight i think that i think they got i mean i know

1486
02:32:27,760 --> 02:32:31,920
fulgren's one's meant to be nicer but i do have to say i don't think i could wear it because you'd

1487
02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:38,000
have to look like a supermodel it's a bit much i'm going out tonight it's a bit much yeah maybe we

1488
02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:43,920
should take the glitter off something no i don't i don't mind the alpha legion as much because i

1489
02:32:44,480 --> 02:32:50,480
have you have it's one of those glons you have to read their books so then like they kind of again

1490
02:32:50,480 --> 02:32:55,360
it's like with corvus corex saying it's the raven raven oh if you if you read the alpha legion but

1491
02:32:55,360 --> 02:33:03,280
it's like oh this is actually pretty cool although again on a grand scale thing it's kind of annoying

1492
02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:09,920
because it just describing their like schemes is like oh they tend to cameo in a lot of other

1493
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:14,000
legion books aside characters that are involved so that's the thing about alpha legion don't have

1494
02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:19,840
many books to themselves it's more of oh and they're also here doing something scheming i know so

1495
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:24,960
annoying that also annoys me about them it's like hey look we're we're we're everywhere don't don't

1496
02:33:24,960 --> 02:33:29,760
ask where we got the resources to be here where the alpha legion we can just be everywhere and

1497
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:33,840
there's someone who tries to do videos of all the legions i am running out of characters to talk

1498
02:33:33,840 --> 02:33:37,920
about from the alpha legion because they're all just bald guys and it's like i am alpharius like

1499
02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:45,200
cool anything interesting this is a lie all right next next character yeah teased oh we forgot to

1500
02:33:45,200 --> 02:33:52,080
say they also all surgically look like alpharius they they surgery themselves so they that level

1501
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:58,080
espionage is just on the level of absurd they only one character could tell the diff i think we did

1502
02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:05,760
it was in our one of our shout out early quizzes only one person is able to pick out that alpharius

1503
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and on omegon from their own legionaries because they they're almost as the same height as a normal

1504
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legionary that was a john grammaticus because he could tell that they looked unreasonably similar

1505
02:34:18,400 --> 02:34:23,680
like all the other ones that had surgery there's always one or two features that were just not

1506
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quite perfect but they were uncanny and there's like easy and paste and you're like hang on

1507
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yeah he was the only person to also alpharius and omegon boy they got along really well

1508
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:38,720
obviously they but then they didn't allegedly allegedly but we don't necessarily know if they

1509
02:34:38,720 --> 02:34:43,840
agreed long term about goals they might have been fighting all alive each other in the end

1510
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and tree with that five minute discussion of lore and 15 minute discussion of why the alpha legion

1511
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is annoying that has been the prime marks and yeah that is uh up to the great crusade in a little

1512
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bit during and also sometimes a little bit after the great crusade just as a little hint of what's

1513
02:35:04,080 --> 02:35:12,960
to come that should be your uh your primer on the prime marks your primer mark and uh yeah and if uh

1514
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let us know of course the uh the question of the week which primark you least want to babysit what's

1515
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the worst case scenario let us know the second question if you'd rather uh double jump and

1516
02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:28,640
shit yourself or fly and shit yourself don't forget that one either both scenarios have

1517
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and thank you thank you so much for watching uh listening and if you want to know more about

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particularly a legion or a prime mark obviously let us know we love to hear your feedback and

1519
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obviously we want to do what you guys are interested in and they've all got books

1520
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they've all got books too and for our next episode we will be doing a little bit we're

1521
02:35:56,240 --> 02:36:02,880
gonna go a little bit further away from space marines we're gonna be doing the far sight enclaves

1522
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so with xenos some xenos law boys uh so we'll be doing some spicy uh tau but not quite tau

1523
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you'll see what we you'll see what we mean when we get into the nitty gritty indeed other than

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that uh thank you so much for listening and we'll see you all very soon take care everyone