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Here's a note from my previous employer. Here's the last 10 years of my utility bills.

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He's like, all right, on you get. Here's my anime preferences. I swear I watched Sword Art Online.

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I swear. I don't know what that show is about.

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Bro, how? How can you not know by now? I swear. I know it's just, but I've never seen it.

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It's the template. Everything else copies it. You must, you basically see it through.

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It copies that awful show. You have seen it. You just seen it through.

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That show is garbage. I've never seen it. It is true, but you've seen it.

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No, I haven't. Andy, please continue. Hello and welcome to Lore Crimes. Today,

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we are covering the bestest, bluest boys, the Ultramarines, brought to us by the great Andy

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and Colin. But first, we have a reading of our Question of the Week. Take it away.

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Okay. Thank you very much, Eli. So this week, because it is an Ultramarine themed episode,

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we would like to ask you all to comment below the video. What is your Ultramarine theoretical

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and practical? So to give you an example, Lore Crimes is a very serious discussion platform

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talking about lore, practical. First thing we ever said on the channel was necrussie.

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So and we stand behind it. 100%.

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Another one, if you'd like to use theoretical, I've never seen the Godfather practical. I think it

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insists upon itself. You've never seen anything, bro. We argued about this.

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Yeah, one out of three Lord of the Rings films. Mr. Hasn't Seen Sword Art Online Watches anime

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perpetually. So thank you so much as well for answering the Question of the Week,

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the previous week. And we've chosen three of our, I'll say I've chosen three of my favorites,

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and I'm gonna read out to you my victims. So this is a definitely, I think you'll enjoy this quite

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a lot. So the first one was from Tristan Wood, and he's put hashtag hot take. Pertarabo really

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upset me. Sorry.

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Control yourself, Hal.

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We read the first question and he's already incapacitated.

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Thanks, everyone. We can't continue to keep reporting because I'm so giggling.

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Goddamn. Pertarabo really upset me when he said it's iron warring time. And iron warred all over

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the entire time.

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Oh my god.

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Iron without and within.

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I love the iron cage. Ironed all over the door.

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Ironed all over the setting. Sorry. Big rest, big rest. Okay, number two is by Rick.

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Oh my god.

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You get through the name this time.

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I'm so sorry. The guy's name is Rick Pregnanz. I don't know why that made me actually lose it.

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I'm not holding it together at all. Okay, hashtag hot take. Fulgrim was and in brackets still is

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the worst Primark even before he picked up the layer blade. Oh man, Eli. He's called you out.

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How are you gonna say that when Pertarabo and Magnus exist?

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So the name has tripped me up. Rick Pregnanz.

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Oh yes. So sorry, Eli. And the last one, we're bringing it back down boys, by Liam O'Rourke.

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He put hashtag hot take. Fulgrim's Primark ability is to be the biggest simp in the universe.

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He simped after the Emperor and now he simps after Slaneche.

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I don't know. I don't know if the Lord of the Emperors simped to be fair.

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People were just going at it, man.

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Why do people like Fulgrim? He's a good Primark.

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Maybe he iron warred over the entire thing.

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Oh man, so sorry for that. But thank you so much for your answers. I enjoyed them too much there.

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I got too emotional. And I'll hand over to Andy to take it away in our beginner section.

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Take it away, Andy.

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Thanks very much, Hal. So today we are talking about the poster boys of the franchise,

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the most popular of all the Space Marine factions, at least in the eyes of Games Workshop.

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I'm not sure exactly if that's true for the average consumer, for the models, but the

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Ultramarines, the 13th Legion, they were during the times of both the Great Crusade and the

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Horus Heresy. And pretty much after the Horus Heresy, the most numerically superior Legion,

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and as a result had the most successor chapters. There's a lot of them. You could call them the

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Boy Scout Legion and chapter. They're very to the point. They get things done. They're all

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we're good and honorable and give lollipops to children, not in the Salamanders way, but

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you know, they're pretty consistently doing the most heroic stuff in the modding setting.

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But to start off, they consist of the Ultramarines are basically conscripted from the 500 worlds of

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Ultramar. So Ultramarines come from the single biggest faction home world area, shall we say.

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So we know that, for example, Rogal Dawn of the Imperial Fists had an empire before the

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emperor found him. Rabutei Gilman's was bigger, so he had more planets and he could get more

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people involved. Now, Rabutei Gilman is the Primarch of the Ultramarines, very stoic and

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honorable and a nice chap. And his children follow in his footsteps. Like their Primarch,

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brilliant tacticians. They're very good at adapting to any failures they incur. They're

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very regimented and disciplined, much unlike the World Eaters. They're basically the complete

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opposite. They're very formal battle lines. They know exactly how they're going to go into battle.

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They're going to do it to the letter. And if they mess up, they're going to take account of that.

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administrators and statesmen. As a result, the Ultramarines home world and its surrounding

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planets are actually some of the most nice places to live in the Imperium. They're very loyal to the

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emperor. They've never faltered once during their service to the Imperium. They have a lot of

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incredible deeds under their belt from all the way since the Unification Wars up to

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Ere Indomatis. They're pretty much, at least during the Great Crusade, the only Legion that

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had more plaudits than the Ultramarines was the Sons of Horus. And that was only because

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that was before their inevitable downfall and betrayal of the Imperium. They didn't fight as

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much as some of the other Legions technically during the Horus heresy because Horus as the

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Warmaster specifically tried to keep them out of the engagement because there's so many of them.

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He's like, if the Ultramarines bring their might to bear, we're done. We're not going to win this

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war because there's too many and they're too good at what they do. Even if they are basically a

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jack of all trades and master of not many. Following the Horus heresy, like I said a little

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bit earlier, when they were broken down from the size of a Legion, all the Legions of the Adeptus

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Astartes had successor chapters and because the Ultramarines, there were so many, they have

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tons of successor chapters. You know, Nova Marines, I think it's the Spears of the Emperor,

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the Genesis chapter, blah blah blah. They've got like 50 chapter successors or something crazy.

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Gilman's gene seed. Jesus Christ. There's a lot of Smurfs in the galaxy.

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Descended from the big blue balls themselves.

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Oh Lord. And as a result, their influence is pretty much the most widespread throughout all the

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Space Marine chapters because they're the gold standard. Even before Horus heresy, they were,

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like I said a little bit, they were among the two main Legions that everyone was going,

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they're the cool ones that we need to follow the example of. Not the Dark Angels, because you know,

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even though they were first, no one liked them.

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Hot take there. Like that little pause about,

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oh, wait for all the hate in the comments. Should have had a more outgoing Primarch.

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Yeah, not the friendliest of Primarchs. And that's the thing, you know, they're actually very

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friendly as a Legion in regards to, you know, they treat civilians well. They're not like the

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Salamanders who like treat them well, then set them on fire occasionally. It's like, no, no,

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they're pretty, pretty good at like public relations. They're not like the Dark Angels,

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they're pretty, pretty good at like public relations. They've got a great HR department.

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This is a certified elder child moment.

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Oof. They only like him after an extensive background check though.

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They don't like anyone. I think it was like the Lion,

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I read it in the Lion's Primarch, but the reason that they, anyone,

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like literally every single human on his ship, he knows. And it's like, oh, that's pretty,

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pretty mental. And the Lion's like, have you done your enhanced DBS check before you get on the

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invincible reason? They're like, yeah, here it is in Triplica and laminated. And here's a note from

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my previous employer. Here's the last 10 years of my utility bills. And he's like, all right, on you

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get. Here's my anime preferences. I swear I watched Sword Art Online. I swear.

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I don't know what that show is about.

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Bro, how? How could you not know by now? I know it's just, but I've never seen it.

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It's the template. Everything else copies it. You must, you basically see it through

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You have seen it. You just sent it.

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That show is garbage. I've never seen it.

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It is true, but you've seen it.

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No, I haven't.

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I haven't.

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Andy, please continue.

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Um, yeah, sorry, sorry about that.

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I'm not sure what's going on. I'm just going to keep going.

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Uh, so I'm nearly done. It's nearly time for Colin to take it out.

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We're overstimulated, ignored.

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Um, yeah. Yeah. Mainly how? Um, true.

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So basically to cut a long story short, uh, in the current setting with the return of the only

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Loyalist Primark to still be active in the set of setting, Rebutae Gilliman, the Ultramarines are

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once again put at the forefront and are the most favored of all the chapters. And that's why they're

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the poster boys. They've got the most, they've got the, got the biggest draw because they're the

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ones who are the most active at the moment. Um, they're the spear tip of the Imperium's war effort

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and, you know, they've got some of the coolest tools, you know, not only have they got a Primark,

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they're one of the only chapters who has a Gloria on a class flagship, the McCrags honor,

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which is basically one of only, uh, like the black Templars have one, uh, the Imperial Fists

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have a bigger ship, but that's the only one I can think of. Like they've got the biggest ship.

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They've got the biggest, baddest, you know, war leader who's now in charge of pretty much everything

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and they get the best guns, the best armor, the best tools to get the job done. They get the most

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books, they get the most models, Ultramarines, they're, everyone loves to hate how popular they

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are. Um, and with that very scatterbrained yet, I think succinct intro, uh, I suppose it's time to

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pass the reins over to Colin who will have a much more measured way of explaining things.

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Measured.

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I, uh, I do, uh, do want to ask, does anyone have any questions before we go to the expert section?

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Preferably questions that are not about my preference in anime or TV shows.

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Oh, damn.

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We just shoot that. Let me just get that one down before we go on.

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Would you say, um, that, uh, Gilliman is kind of like Nerevar and Horace is kind of like, uh,

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Dagoth Ur and he's, and Horace needs to drive out the mongrel dogs of the empire and honor the

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sick house of the tribes that are unmoored. I'm just putting this in there now because someone

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needs to understand that reference.

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So someone's been listening to a lot of Dagoth Ur AI generated.

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I have sent you, I have sent you five, I think consecutively, and I just can't get it out of my

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head. It's very appropriate for the, for the mongrel dogs of the empire we're about to learn about.

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All right. Let's not insult the Marines. The Ultshers.

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True, true. They are, they are, they are cool. They are cool.

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I have no questions other than that statement.

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Wonderful. Eli?

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Uh, not yet.

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All right. Well, then let's get into it. I would, uh, I would like to say before we start,

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this is, uh, there is a lot of, there is a lot of ultramarine lore. They are likely said

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they're the poster boys of the franchise. Like space Marines are already the face of

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Warhammer 40 K and the ultramarines are the face of the space Marines. So there's a

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lot of ultramarines lore. And if we were to cover every single thing in it, we would be here for

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two weeks. So this is a more of an overview of the ultramarines as a whole rather than specifically

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Gilliman or any of the characters within it. I will talk about that more, bring some of the

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very important ones up, but just as a, just as a heads up, this will be kind of beginner to expert

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on the ultramarines as it were, not on a ultramarine. So we might in the future be doing

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a specific ultramarine character if they're important enough in the future. Indeed. Uh,

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so with that out of the, out of the way, allow me to tell you about the greatest of them all,

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the ultramarines. So they were the 13th Legion of space Marines, as Andy said, and of course,

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the great Rebute Gilliman is their Primark. If you ever have time, just look up a list of all

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of Gilliman's nicknames. They are very funny. Oh, they are half as many as Nagash, there's still a

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lot. Yeah. Or was it the power of Nagash? There's no, there's no version of that. There is no,

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Gilliman or 40k, which is a shame because that quote is amazing. The power of taxes. That's

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what Gilliman's is. Yeah. Robo girlie man is still my favorite. It's a good old classic,

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but it's still my favorite. Robot guilty spark is my favorite. Uh, but drowning the episode out

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and Gilliman's nicknames in the comments below. If you're listening, any Gilliman nicknames,

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the funnier, the better. Indeed. Please do. Uh, as for the ultramarines though, they are,

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at least I would wager maybe the closest thing in 40k that we have to a modern military in terms of

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they don't strictly prioritize suicidally charging into a gun line for the glory of,

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you know, corn or the emperor or whatever. They're all about strategic planning, tactical planning,

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as well as the minimalization of casualties and material losses. So maybe the Raven guard kind of

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do that more, but they're more like, uh, the SAS or like the Marines kind of sneaky stuff. Yeah.

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And the ultramarines are better at just like, oh, if, if shit hits the fan, we're going to go in

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and we're going to be better. Probably at the actual fighting up close and personal. Yeah. Like

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the, uh, I say, if I had to put it, the ultramarines are more of equivalent to, you know, like the,

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the army or the Marines as it were. And the Raven guard are like the, like Addie said, the SAS,

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the Navy SEALs. The Raven guard are a hundred percent. Is that one done a playthrough of Skyrim

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when you get the ebony mail? So you're just, you're in heavy play, but you're all stealth.

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That's what the Raven guard are. That's, that's about right.

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Additionally to that little bit of how they fight, which we'll develop on later, they're very

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reminiscent of the ancient Romans and the ancient Greeks, that Greco-Roman culture.

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Uh, Macrog is essentially ancient Rome and Greece and outer space and the units such as their honor

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guard show that they have no small amount of Roman influence amongst themselves.

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What's the name of the part where Gilliamon was entombed? Is it the something of Hera?

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The, um, you don't, you don't want talking about it. It's like the little, like the marbled area.

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It literally is the most Greco-Roman thing you can ever think of.

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Fortress of Hera.

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Fortress of Hera. Yeah. I wonder where they got that from.

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Hera, where'd that name come from?

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Out of a bag entirely.

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They are no copyright.

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Very Greco-Roman. Uh, highly organized and efficient in battle. They make it a point

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to plan for as many outcomes as they possibly can before it begins because that ensures they

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have a plan for everything and they don't need to think on their feet. It's just, this has happened.

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I'm going to do this in response and everything will go well. And fair enough, when this works

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for them, they're pretty much unstoppable because since they plan so obsessively, they,

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it's almost like foresight in a way, not through magic, just through them thinking so hard about

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what could happen. The flip side of that is much like the Romans. If an unforeseen variable occurs

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or their plans go awry or someone just knows enough about their tactics and what they're going to do,

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they can outfoot and outsmart the ultramarines pretty easily. I had Tetuberg Forest for the Romans

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where one of those Germans, I believe, trained to be a Roman soldier, so he knew just how to fight

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them and the Tyranids and the Tau for the ultramarines. I will cover some of that later,

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but while the, if things are going well for them, they're going very well for the Marines,

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but if you wrong foot them, you're going to hit them smurfs very hard.

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That being said, this only happens once because after the initial victory, they're going to look

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at what happened and they're going to ensure that it does not happen again because now that they

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know that X scenario is something that can happen, they're going to put it into their plans,

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into their rule books, and they're going to make sure that you can't do it twice. And they might

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even use it. It reminds me of the time, again, Corvus, Corax, Primarch of the Raven Guard had

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a kind of simulated battle with Rebutae and he won, but then after that, he never won again

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because it was like, Gediman was so good at going, oh, I see what you did. Try now.

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Hmm. Yeah.

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And his sons are exactly the same.

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Like, I believe it was like someone was like, Corax said, I could win a battle, sure, but I can

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never win the war after like the first three times or something like that. It's like they,

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you can't wrong foot them more than once. So let's begin their history. So they ultramarines,

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they ultramarines, geez, the ultramarines began, as all the legions do, in the gene

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leads of the emperor to form his armies. Initially, they were informally known as the

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war born as most of the recruits came from people that were nearly wiped out by the emperor.

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The recruits came from people that were nearly wiped out by the emperor's armies before they

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joined the Imperium, which I thought was neat. And it also kind of explains why they're not

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called ultramarines because they didn't find ultramar yet.

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I didn't actually know that. That's quite cool.

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Yeah, neither did I.

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It's actually very similar to the word bearers in Dristo. Like both of those legions were

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comprised of, we beat you, now you join us. And it's an interesting parallel.

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The Romans did that too, didn't they as well?

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which wasn't many people. The Romans were certainly good at that. To get back to the

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ultramarines, the gene seed of them as well, all space marines have gene seed that they come from,

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very stable. There was no problems in terms of mutations with it to the point that as we

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brought up earlier, that's why about 50% of all chapters in the modern Imperium come from

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the ultramarines. They're just that well put together at the core level. It does, however,

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for some reason, make the recipient, they become, I couldn't think of no better way to

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put it, the way I wrote it down. They're big fans of cohesion and hierarchy. They become attracted

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to those concepts in a way. The chain of command becomes something almost sacred to them, for

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example. Like disciplines in the DNA, kind of. Yeah, that's the perfect way to put it. Discipline

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is the DNA. Furthering that little Roman influence, all about the ranked formations and whatnot,

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and it ensures they're even better at following whatever plan they come up with to the letter.

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I prefer to think of it as it turns them into power bottoms, but maybe that's just me.

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Oh man. That's the kind of statement coming from someone who hasn't seen the Godfather.

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Yes, it's happening. What did I say? It insists upon itself.

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Anyways. There is no evidence of them actually being deployed on Terral,

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this being said. The first records instead have them fighting on the moon and a conflict known

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as the Sedna Campaign at the edge of the solar system. So unlike many of the other space marine

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legions that would become chapters, they weren't really doing much on Terra other than just

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recruiting and becoming what they would eventually be. And over time, the Legion would, much in the

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same way it was initially formed, further bolster its strength by recruiting from conquered worlds.

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So as the war born went across the galaxy, bringing more worlds into the Imperial fold,

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they'd conquer you, and then whoever was left, you got an invitation to join the space marine club.

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Much like we're seeing the Romans. It's a very violent frat house.

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They stayed at home for ages and did nothing, and then they went out and were like,

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come on, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug. Now you can be an ultramarine. Well, that's how it works.

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Yep. Are they still considered quite disciplined at this time? Was that generally unknown at their

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temperament? It was actually, I was going to say the gene seed, they were known as disciplined.

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What it would, the way it would work is it was these weird mixes, like a lot of the gene seed

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qualities in other legions makes itself known pretty quickly. Like, you know, if you're a space

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wolf, you might randomly turn into a furry. Good luck. I couldn't help but like make a little jab

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at the space wolf. I needed to do it. All right. To be fair, if you want me to punch the other side

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of the fence, if you're a thousand sun, you might turn into like living sludge from Ghostbusters.

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Excuse me. Dust is my pronoun.

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D-dust was later. First it was Ghostbusters slime. I hope you don't have any allergies.

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Ah, got cold now. Well, these two, the flesh change is, to be fair, if you're new to Warhammer,

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it's the legions, um, gene seed floor of the 13th, no, not 13th legion. Excuse me. This is the 13th

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legion, 15th legion. And you would literally like balloon up inside your armor and like

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like turns like a mutated mule thing. A chaos spawn. Essentially. Yeah. Oh, so it's a picture

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that is disgusting. The ultramarines gene seed, uh, you know, noticeable traits, much less obvious

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than that. They, uh, they'd become, they would be known for their aggression, which is why so many

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of the recruits came from conquered worlds because they would show up and put you in the dirt.

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But it was mixed with restraint and discipline. So this also, funnily enough, made them excellent

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for partner campaigns with other legions because the ultramarines, I'm just war born, but ultramarines

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is what they're going to be called soon. Very good at working with others. They're very disciplined.

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They're able to follow a plan. So another legion might form the plan and the ultramarines would

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execute it to the letter. Uh, usually. Can I mention something very briefly about their anatomy as

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well? Of course. Um, that ties in quite well to what you just said. There's, there's an excerpt

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I've got here from the, the book, legacies of betrayal from the Horus heresy. And it's about

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an ultramarine that, um, he teams up with a guardsman sort of character to take out the enemy.

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And there's just this bit here that says, you know, um, he's basically been wounded and he kind of,

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his body shuts down briefly to recover. And it says, um, he's under mind and body making the

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necessary repairs for him to function again. Ultramarines are particularly good at this

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recovery. They do it efficiently, rapidly, better than any other legions is one of the reasons they

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are so hard to kill. So I thought that was like a little, they literally are so disciplined. Even

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their recovery process is more efficient than anyone else.

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Damn, this truly is ex-po. I did not know that. This is actually new to me.

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First I'm going to heal the leg and then the chest wound and then the blood supply.

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Literally having a conversation. Then he's like, feel, and he's like, and he's just like shut down

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for a moment because his body's gone like, okay, heart check, arms check. Okay. He needs a bolter.

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Make sure his muscles are, it's like crazy. They, uh, discipline to the core. Absolutely.

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Absolutely. Uh, and through all this, pardon me, they became known as a very practical legion.

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They, uh, early on though, a defeat against rebels that were assisted by unknown Zenos, which

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I want to say this is another case of the great crusade Horus heresy where they introduced the

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coolest sounding Zenos race ever. And then just, they just get wiped out. Uh, they would be, uh,

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come known as the Assyrian or Osirian cybrids. And they said they show up in these like hourglass

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clockwork ships that, uh, and they're incredibly psychic. And there's not much about it, but it

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was a very cool read when I was going through it. And these rebels combined with the Zenos

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do defeat the ultramarines. And for a little bit, they, uh, they go on a bit of a darker path. They

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become filled with shame and almost bloodthirsty. And they refuse any and all glories until they're

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reunited with their Primarch because they figured that that's how we're going to unshame ourselves.

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We're going to find Gilliman. Uh, so daddy, I did a shame. Uh, they need, uh, so if you, it's

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basically, if you would go to offer them a handshake, go mission well done. They'd, uh,

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they'd bless the Lincoln park and go, no, I don't deserve this.

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What I've done.

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Evanescence. Wait me up. Yeah. Yeah. Wake me up. That was, that was the ultramarines legion for,

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for a few years. Uh, also, uh, speaking of Gilliman, moving on to him and the rest of the

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great crusade of note is that they'd actually found him two years before this rebellion and

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problem with the Zenos. Uh, but due to warp storms, they just couldn't reach him. Uh, so have,

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and have you seen the movie interstellar? Oh yeah. You know, the, the bit where he's like,

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yeah, there's been the Godfather, we seem interstellar.

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Brother. Oh, this is the theme of the episode. Hasn't, hasn't seen two towers, hasn't seen

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return of the King. I've read the books. Uh, the first one you've watched the first Harry Potter

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and like it and care for it. It's the worst one. He's not seeing Harry Potter. Yeah. I've read

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the books. Uh, that doesn't count. It's not the same. It's not the same. Okay. It's fine.

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All right. Anyway, uh, horse hairs. He doesn't count. Anyways,

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uh, Gillum and right. Couldn't find him for two years. Uh, as I was saying, like the interstellar

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scene before my taste in movies was brought up again, definitely you're not buying Hogwarts

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legacy. I will not be doing that. Uh, but with the interstellar comparison, I'm going to get this

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out of it. Kills me. It was like the guy, when the guy was banging on the bookshelf, like at his

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past self, like, no, don't leave. That was kind of the image I thought of when I saw it read, they

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found Gillum in, but couldn't reach him because of the war. Stones are like, he's right there. Come

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on. I was, I was just like, I'm imagining the emperor just like a cup of tea, just like put the

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kettle on. Well, you can, I was like, has it, has it moved as the warp store moved? No, sir.

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Okay. At least tennis it is. At least we know he's there. All right.

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Uh, but as with all of the prime marks, once Gillum was reunited with the emperor,

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he was given command of his Legion who then became known as the ultra Marines, which as a little

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side note, that's perhaps best translated as people of ultra Mar rather than specifically.

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These are the ultra Marines. These are the best Marines ever. The super bestest. It's more like

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super best is special boys. Like the, this is going to sound weird to put it, but a good way

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to say it instead of ultra Marines might technically be ultra Marines because the emphasis

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will probably be in like, yeah, ultra marines. Yeah. Yeah. Cause they're from ultra Mar, but

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that being said, no one's going to call them anything but the ultra Marines. So did they get

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named after the color ultra Marine? I, the writers, I don't know. But now that you bring that up, I

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saw a, I just, there was a marker laying on my kitchen table and I looked at the color and it was

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ultra Marine and that was not the color of their armor. So I don't think they're named after the

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color. Cause if they are, they're named after a lie. They are not ultra Marine blue.

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I'm just loving the idea of like a games workshop employee creating the ultra Marines. And he's

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like a little bit colorblind because that looks like ultra Marine to me. And then it's like, oh,

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no, what have I done? It's like, no, that's a deep blue. That's ocean blue. Yellow.

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That's green. Actual heresy, literal heresy.

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But anyway, with that being said, where I just qualified as ultra Marine, doesn't mean they're

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the best. They then proceeded to have the highest amount of planets among all of the Legions

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brought back into the Imperial fold. I am mild. Yeah. It was like just well ahead of the other

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ones. Now that being said, many others had more military victories than the ultra Marines did,

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but at least as far as I'm concerned, and I will let my favoritism shine through a bit,

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this is shows that the ultra Marines, they're willing to think they're willing to talk.

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They in a setting called war hammer, the ultra Marines figured out if I speak to them, we can

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use our war hammers on our common foe and not each other as it were. So between that,

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Gilliam's logistical skills and everything else, they were the forefront of the great crusade in

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many ways with Gilman leading the helm. They even got vengeance on those Osirian cybrids.

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I mentioned earlier where Gilliam personally killed their leader while his battle chief

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battle, Psyker fought alongside him and sacrificed himself so they could battle could be won,

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which is again, one of those bits of lore where I wish the C. N. O. S. Were more developed upon

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rather than being used as plot development for the ultra Marines. They have to make a,

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I'm so desperate them desperate for them to make a another faction where it's just the collection

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of like the minor Xenos, like the crud, the Craig, the tower covenant, like the tower supposed to be

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before it became Mecha. Yeah. Oh, it'd be so cool. Cause like I said, there's so many, there's so

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many of them that are like, they're better than the actual Xenos we have. There used to be units

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and stuff for tabletop even like extra crude things and characters. Oh, well such as such

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as the pain of being a Xenos player in a space Marines game. True. But to get back to said space

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Marines, their record was not squeaky clean. They got up to some stuff every now and then.

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amount of peaceful compliances weren't strictly speaking brought up in any ways, but as a tax base.

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So while some places were made ideal, uh, you know, places to live with the, in the new Imperium,

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the ultra Marines would always make sure that at the very least there was a planetary defense force

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and taxes were able to come in other places. That was all they got. So sometimes the ultra

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Marines turned into a new McCrog which is a nice Greco Roman, not quite paradise, but certainly

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better than most places. Other times, for example, new Saria, uh, they might not even know Gilliman's

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name, uh, such as like the state they left it. They would go, right, the taxes are coming in.

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The, uh, the planet has a defense force so we can leave and it won't fall apart in five minutes.

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We're done here. Now, if I could posit a bit of a theory for that, I personally think that's because

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the emperor wanted the great crusade to go at a certain tempo and Gilman was not allowed time to

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properly bring all of these planets up to speed. That there is a, uh, there's a theory. Sorry,

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if I interject here, but there's like a slight theory about that, which is obviously we're an

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obviously we're an expert section so we can, we can say, but, um, the emperor supposedly, if you

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are new to Warhammer, the emperor figure, the emperor master of mankind, he can see the future

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some of the primarchs can not Gilliman, unfortunately, but he could see so many

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futures. That was almost too many futures to see, but him and malchador supposedly saw a future in

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which they could achieve their golden era of mankind. And they basically needed to like,

389
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,960
get it done real. That's why the great crusade is so, it happens like over 200 years, doesn't it?

390
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,800
It's quite relatively quick over in terms of conquering the galaxy because they, they saw like

391
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,640
a future and if they took too long, if they didn't do it fast enough, essentially that golden era

392
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,320
would slip through the sweet spot. Like we've got to get it exactly in this margin. If we're too late,

393
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,440
we won't get, we'll get the bronze. We don't want bronze. We want gold, you know,

394
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,840
and it did slip through their hands and spoilers and to what you were saying about the compliance

395
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,760
is like the word of arrows got chastised cause they took too bloody long. So they'd conquer a

396
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,960
planet and they spend ages. And also not in the nice way that the ultra Marines like, oh, we're

397
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,480
going to give you like a governing body and yes taxes and stuff, but like bird bearers, have you

398
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,600
heard of our, of our Lord and savior, the emperor of mankind? No. Get the, get the lash, get the whip,

399
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,800
get the stretcher. Oh, you're going to be going to behave now.

400
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:30,480
Yeah. So, and though, like I said, that was at least partially my theory. My answer for why

401
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:37,040
Gilliman left some places and not the best state. Uh, he could have just not cared at all. Uh,

402
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,200
I just like Gilliman. So I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt between that and some

403
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,000
info. He does have more of a humanity than the others anyway. So it would make sense. He's nice.

404
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,400
He's a nice guy. He's, you know, as far as the Primarchs go, yeah, he's a pretty cool guy,

405
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,560
but we'll talk more about him in a later episode for now. We're not quite done with the ultra

406
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:07,200
Marine scandals for the two lost Primarchs. Uh, when they were dealt with, it is very likely

407
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:16,080
that most of their troops became ultra Marines after the fact. Uh, I heard about this, yeah,

408
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,600
not throwing the baby out with the bath water, as it were. Uh, they figured that the Primarchs are

409
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:28,960
far gone, but the Legions can still be saved. So they were mind wiped and given to the Imperial

410
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:36,240
Fist and ultra Marines. This is, uh, also a theory, but this isn't like I was saying with Gilliman,

411
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:43,280
a theory I came up with to be nice. This is one of those theories that is in the books and is soft

412
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:50,400
confirmed, not fully. I believe the exact passages they're talking about it and one of the characters

413
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,760
denies it, but he does make note of the ultra Marines having an increase of troops around the

414
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,880
same time as the Legions were gotten rid of. So with most of the missing Primarchs,

415
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:06,320
Law is like, there's just heavy hints, but I don't think they'll ever confirm it to be honest,

416
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,680
because they want us to be like, you know, just essentially obviously the opportunity to make your

417
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:18,080
own, uh, design your own Legions, but it's definitely a big old, you know, ha ha point

418
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,600
over there. Big sign. This is ultra-marines. Yeah. It's one of those things like it's not

419
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:31,200
officially confirmed, but there's a lot pointing to that the ultra Marines might be one of the

420
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,560
biggest Legions because they got a bit of a hand in that. I will say as well. And it would make

421
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,080
sense because they've got the most planets to reinforce like, Oh, if they lost them,

422
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,480
Oh, they'll replenish them. Whereas they gave it to another Legion then, Oh, it gave you like

423
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,240
60,000 Astartes. Oh, we can't, we can't replenish those numbers. No, I don't want excuses. Get it

424
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:57,840
done. You know, I do have a theory that it is the survivors of those, uh, lost Legion. So again,

425
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,400
it wouldn't be like, they wouldn't dump a hundred thousand Marines and be like, yeah. And then no

426
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,880
one mentioned by the way, that half of these people are from a different Legion. I always speculate

427
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:14,960
that it was a survivors of what Russ did, shall we say. Russ the Executioner. I liked it. I like to

428
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:21,200
think it was 1984 and it's like, these have always been your brothers. We've, we have always had

429
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,880
these extra a hundred thousand Marines. And they shout at a TV with a minute of hate denying.

430
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:36,720
Yeah. How dare you scum. But these, these controversies aside, the biggest, uh, uh-oh,

431
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:43,200
shall we say came from, we were talking about Lorgar earlier, funny enough, when they burned down

432
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:50,160
his capital city, Monarchia, this you can, you know, we were talking about Lorgar should have

433
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:58,480
picked up the pace earlier. Uh, perhaps this was not the right way to handle it. So what happened

434
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:05,280
was the Emperor was not a fan of Lorgar teaching everyone that he's a God. And he was also not a

435
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:13,280
fan of Lorgar taking his sweet time conquering planets across the Imperium. So Biggie went to

436
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:19,280
Gilliman and said, I need you and your Legion and we are going to take care of this problem. And

437
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:25,280
Gilliman accepted this without any hesitation. And the custodies, the Emperor of mankind,

438
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,920
Gilliman and the ultramarines descended on Lorgar's world of Kerr to the-

439
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,800
And Malkador.

440
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,600
Oh, and pardon me. And Malkador. I forgot there was so many super soldiers around. I

441
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,040
just couldn't see him beneath all of them.

442
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:37,680
Malkador.

443
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,960
The wizened old man.

444
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,120
Yeah.

445
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,480
The giant golden boy.

446
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,040
Yeah.

447
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Eli.

448
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,560
Uh, no, I was done. I was just saying he had a cool moment in that he lives getting battered

449
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,400
by Lorgar and he's fine afterwards, even though he's a billion years old.

450
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,480
And then he runs at the same pace as Valador. That's always been in my mind.

451
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,840
That moment. Just imagining an old man just like booking it faster than a mortal man.

452
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,120
Baby, demigod.

453
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:11,440
You know that scene in the first Star Wars film. Here comes a law crime. You know that bit in

454
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,880
The Phantom Menace where Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are in that corridor and they just like dash.

455
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,160
Oh, that's magical.

456
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,760
And they never do it again.

457
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:18,720
You've seen The Phantom Menace, right?

458
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:19,600
It's a stand-off.

459
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,120
Yes, I've seen The Phantom Menace. Oh my God. I've seen Star Wars.

460
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,800
Oh my God.

461
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,680
I was a kid when those were coming out. Yes, I've been taken to a movie theater in my life.

462
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,080
I can't wait for the most obscure movie.

463
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:36,640
You're looking at him now. Come on.

464
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,200
The most obscure movie on the planet. You haven't seen the

465
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,240
mashed potatoes and bangers in Mashed film?

466
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:43,760
Are you the runner?

467
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,400
All right. I'd like to move on.

468
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,200
Oh my gosh, man.

469
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,680
Oh my Lord. Okay. Menarche.

470
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,160
Menarche.

471
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:50,800
Menarche.

472
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,760
So they pretty much burned down the city. To give the ultramarines a little bit of credit,

473
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:04,960
they did evacuate anyone who took them up on the offer to get them out of the burning city.

474
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,840
That being said, if you did not take them up on the offer, you burned with the city.

475
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:18,960
There's some more Roman influence to you. They'll offer you some mercy once, and then if you don't

476
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:25,360
accept that mercy, you are becoming one with the dirt. And they made the emperor, Forrest

477
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,320
Lorgar and his legion to kneel before him, Malkador, the custodians, the ultramarines,

478
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,880
Hulshabang. And...

479
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,880
When you say kneel, we don't mean like, oh, do it. I told you to. Like, he physically used psychic

480
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,160
powers to like crunch them down so they couldn't move.

481
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,440
Yeah. It was like, you are going to get on your knees and bow.

482
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:52,320
That always confused me that moment, that he forces like essentially a hundred thousand

483
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,800
space marines and a Primark to kneel, and then he tells them, I'm not a god.

484
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:04,720
Like, yeah, but I think his point was mainly going, why can't you be more like Gilliman?

485
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:08,400
There's a reason I brought him. Look at your brother. He's like, he's got a job.

486
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,640
He's got like, golden mouth. Look at him. Look at these guys.

487
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Look at his jawline.

488
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:14,640
They're cool.

489
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,200
I can feel the redness of the reddish game.

490
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,640
What are you doing? You shaved your head. You look silly. Be more like your brother.

491
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,600
That's basically what it was.

492
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,640
That being said though, yeah, I completely agree.

493
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,640
That always confused me.

494
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:38,400
You forced like a 12 foot tall super soldier and his thousands of eight foot tall super soldier sons

495
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:44,000
to kneel before you at once with space magic while you're walking around with your glowing

496
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,320
golden halo and fiery spartan.

497
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:46,800
And almond.

498
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,280
Yeah. It's like, oh, I wonder what people are going to think.

499
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,560
But anyways, back to the ultramarines.

500
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:00,320
Gilliman privately confided with many in his legion that he was close with, his officers and whatnot.

501
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:08,480
That he doesn't regret following the emperor's orders, but he feels guilty about what he had to do.

502
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:17,120
And he worries that he pretty much permanently damaged his and Lorgar's relationship as well

503
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,160
as the two legions. And oh, how right he was about that.

504
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,680
Yeah. Because now it is time for the Horus heresy.

505
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,120
Because after this, the great crusade kind of continues as normal for the ultramarines.

506
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:37,440
They just bring more worlds into compliance, get the tax base going, rinse and repeat.

507
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,960
And then the Horus heresy happens.

508
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,880
And when it first happens, the legions are all spread out across the galaxy.

509
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,920
They're not just in a cell phone distance where they can't give them a call and go, hey,

510
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,960
Horus is a traitor.

511
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:56,720
So Gilliman doesn't know what's going on at first. And indeed, Horus requests that he and Lorgar

512
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,080
embark on a mutual campaign against some orcs.

513
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,280
And in Gilliman's eyes, because he doesn't know that Horus has done the traitor thing yet,

514
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,200
he's like, oh, this is just a simple military operation. We'll kill some orcs.

515
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:16,080
And in fact, he even thinks, wow, this is the perfect time to start getting the

516
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,480
relations repaired back.

517
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,360
Clean slate.

518
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,320
Yeah, it's like, hey.

519
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,320
Water under the bridge. We're friends. It's fine.

520
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,640
It's like, you know what makes Space Marines bond more than anything? Killing orcs.

521
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,600
So come, Lorgar.

522
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,880
It's like their equivalent of fishing.

523
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,640
Let's go kill some orcs.

524
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,240
At least that was, in Gilliman's mind, what was going to happen.

525
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,280
And instead, on the planet of Kalf, instead of some nice,

526
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:50,320
wholesome, family-friendly orc genocide, the word bearers opened fire on the ultramarines

527
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:56,000
who had no idea what was happening. And I believe it was a third of the entire ultramarines legion

528
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,320
was killed on the Battle of Kalf.

529
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,160
That's how you deal with the mongrel dogs of the Empire.

530
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,360
This is how you honor the sixth house and the tribes of the underworld.

531
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,240
Got the line in.

532
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:14,320
And I do like the, I think it's from No No Fear where that starts off, where it's just

533
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,640
the word bearer and ultramarine who are friends. He's like, we get on well, don't we?

534
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,080
And the ultramarine's like, yes, we do. I'm glad our legions are now friends again.

535
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,960
And he's like, well, it is a good thing we are friends because of what happened.

536
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,680
Yes. It would be a shame if there was a betrayal.

537
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,280
Yes. I'm glad we are friends.

538
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,960
And then it's like, stab. You made it quite obvious. Come on.

539
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,240
Is this that meme of the, has it always been like that? And then it's the person behind going,

540
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:43,360
always has been.

541
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,200
Oh, the astronaut meme.

542
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,360
Yeah. Is it that meme where it's like, wait, this has been a betrayal? Always has been.

543
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,960
You plan to kill us at Kalf? Always have been.

544
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:54,740
Damn.

545
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:01,120
To be fair, the word bearers were already pretty deep into heresy. They were corrupted

546
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,120
from the start. It was going to happen someday.

547
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,360
Yeah. If I remember correctly from my Gillibrand video, plug, plug,

548
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,000
I believe it was 40 years later this happened. So the word bearers had about-

549
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,520
They stood on it for 40 years.

550
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,800
Yes. They had some time to think about what the ultramarines did to them.

551
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:22,240
And Lorga had already fallen and he was like plotting, like, when can I get my revenge?

552
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:23,760
Oh, Horus. That'll do. Fine.

553
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,720
Horus wants to be a traitor? Perfect. Let's kill some ultramarines. I mean, the emperor.

554
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:35,840
So despite this, they did give as good as they got. The word bearers were eventually repulsed

555
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,160
and they, by all accounts, fought them off very valiantly, the ultramarines.

556
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,560
Yeah. They took out half their entire fleet.

557
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,440
Yeah. They let it be known that if you give the ultramarines any time to breathe,

558
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,960
you have lost the battle. And there's of course the, I know it's a book cover,

559
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,800
but that wonderful artwork of Gilliman with that helmet in space.

560
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,080
Yeah. I think that's no no fear.

561
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,680
Yeah. Punching a word bearer's brain off. That is, oh my God.

562
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,920
In the vacuum of space without a helmet.

563
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,440
Yeah. Gilliman was just done playing Doom earlier that day and he was putting what he learned into

564
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:20,880
practice. But that being said, just because the word bearers are driven off does not mean

565
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,400
things are going to be good for the ultramarines.

566
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:30,400
They rally around McCragg to kind of, you know, catch themselves. And then the word bearers

567
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:36,160
left after Calth as well as the world eaters, which word bearers, world eaters,

568
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,880
I don't know why just saying those close together seems kind of weird, but.

569
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,880
No, I've had the same problem. Don't worry.

570
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,400
Yeah. They get easily mixed up.

571
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:51,440
The were and the EAR has EAT, the E-A-T, the E-A-T, the E-A-T, the E-A-T.

572
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,880
It's too close. But anyways, they begin the shh.

573
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,400
There were E's and there were E's.

574
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,840
They start the Shadow Crusade across Ultramar and pretty much just do what they were doing

575
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,680
to keep Gilliman out of the war. Like we were saying earlier, even with Calth,

576
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,200
there were still too many ultramarines because if they got it.

577
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,440
Horus had not won them involved. Like of all the legions, everyone gets a scrap of Horus

578
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,200
apart from the ultramarines.

579
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,400
Yeah, it was like with Calth, it was like, oh good, we brought them down from four times

580
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,400
as many marines as we have to only three times as many marines as we have.

581
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:29,840
These odds.

582
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,600
It took two legions, literally took two legions to fight them.

583
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:33,840
Yeah.

584
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,920
And they had this amount of ruin storm to trap them and be like, you're not escaping here.

585
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,800
Like stay put.

586
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,200
You're locked in here with me.

587
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:46,080
So the ultramarines, yeah, they're stuck around Ultramar.

588
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:52,720
And then Conrad Kurr shows up on Ultramar, just why not throw more Primarchs on Gilliman?

589
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,120
Don't let him breathe.

590
00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:02,560
And then Lorgar does a cool little magic dance and then cuts off the entirety of Ultramar

591
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,200
from the rest of the Imperium, the ruin storm.

592
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:10,880
And acting on the assumption that the ultramarines, a little sidetrack,

593
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,760
they were very big on theoreticals and practicals.

594
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,600
So theoretical, here's the overview of the situation.

595
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,840
Practical, here's how I'm going to solve it.

596
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:26,880
Gilliman said, I do not know if the Imperium is still out there and I cannot access it.

597
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,600
I cannot leave my empire, the Krag.

598
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,520
I cannot call anyone.

599
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,880
I cannot leave my empire.

600
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,440
I cannot call anyone.

601
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,640
I need to act on the assumption that it's just fallen and this is all that's left of my father's dream.

602
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,880
So they formed the Imperium Secundus with the ultramarines obviously taking charge of it.

603
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:53,680
And it's briefly like a little island of stability.

604
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,200
I mean, as much as it can be with Engron, Lorgar and Conrad Kurrs

605
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,160
running merry hell across the system.

606
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,560
But you know, compared to Terra at the time at least, things were going alright.

607
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:12,560
Eventually, Sanguinus and the lion show up and Gilliman realizes that Imperium's still out there.

608
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,680
They're still fighting and this has all been a massive waste of time solely to keep him away from Terra.

609
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,880
And when he learns that, in case anyone was going to call him a traitor for the Imperium Secundus,

610
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,760
let it be known, he canceled the whole thing immediately.

611
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:31,280
And him, his ultramarines and the Dark Angels held off the traitor fleet surrounding them in the Ruinstorm

612
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:38,880
to allow Sanguinus to get to Terra and the rest is history that we will cover at a later juncture.

613
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,560
As it is ultramarine time.

614
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,160
But the ultramarines did, once the Blood Angels made it through, gun it towards Terra.

615
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,400
But by that time, the siege was already over.

616
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,800
Yeah, one of the reasons that the Emperor and Horus had to have a fight to finish the war,

617
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,760
because the Emperor was like, alright, this siege is getting a bit protracted.

618
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:05,040
And Horus was going, the ultramarines are coming, they're coming, oh, we've got to finish this.

619
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,640
Because if they get here, we're screwed.

620
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,360
So they were both like, we need to finish this now.

621
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:09,840
Yeah.

622
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,880
That's why I had to come down to a duel, because both were under a time constraint.

623
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,960
Yeah, the Emperor was like, I have about three minutes of food left for my army and

624
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:22,240
Horus was sitting there knowing the Dark Angels and the ultramarines are, oh, they're on their way

625
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:24,240
now, are they? That's great.

626
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:27,040
Oh my god.

627
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:33,440
Good, good. The legions that have pretty much done nothing but have time to gather their strength

628
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,440
are on their way. Phenomenal.

629
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:44,480
A slight side note, very briefly, is, has anyone seen the fan made, the fan made, the fan made

630
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:51,120
the fan version of the Horus heresy, but it's Giliman instead, that gets corrupted.

631
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,440
Oh, kind of, I think.

632
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,200
Kind of like the Dornean heresy. You might have heard that one.

633
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:02,640
But someone made one, a fan story about Giliman being the Horus figure.

634
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,680
I've heard of it, but I'm not nearly as familiar with it as I am with like the regular heresy

635
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,640
or the Dornean one.

636
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:14,640
It made a very cool, there's a cool piece of artwork, if you look it up, like corrupted

637
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,280
Giliman and it's, it's one of those ones you go, oh yeah, like Giliman being corrupted,

638
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:25,040
actually really terrifying, considering, again, how many ultramarines there were and-

639
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,040
I think the scariest thing is just how many taxes he's going to make, they're really unfair.

640
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:29,840
No, I was kidding.

641
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,960
Like, how many attacks, how many guns does your battleship have, that's an extra tithe,

642
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,960
how much shoe polish do you use, that's like-

643
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:37,920
Like a window tax.

644
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,280
A window tax, what could go wrong with the window tax?

645
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,560
Evil Giliman says, I hate taxes, I'm disbanding the IRS.

646
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,560
That's how you know he's truly far gone.

647
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,560
If you want to survive, eat your children.

648
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,320
Wow, he's really taken a turn, hasn't he?

649
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,440
He goes from Caesar to Caligula.

650
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Rough.

651
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,640
Glad he has no sisters.

652
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,000
Moving on, moving on.

653
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,680
Anyways, post-heresy, they participated, of course, in the scouring, you know,

654
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:19,120
driving the remaining traitors after Horus was control deleted into the Eye of Terror,

655
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:24,320
and once that was over, they also decided, you know, we should probably help out our fellow

656
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:30,240
Astartes and they saved the Imperial Fists from certain destruction after Rogal Dorne

657
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:35,200
decided that the best way to make up for his dad dying was to headbutt Perderabos to death.

658
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,920
Stellar, stellar stuff there, Rogal Dorne.

659
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,400
And he iron-warriored over the entire city.

660
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,000
And then Perderabos iron-warriored all over Rogal Dorne at the Iron War.

661
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,680
It's iron-warring time.

662
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,200
From iron comes strength.

663
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,240
Like, calm down, Patty.

664
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:56,000
Oh, bruh, okay, that imagery.

665
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:56,800
Okay.

666
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,800
Yeah, really love that middle lore.

667
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,280
Oh, how...

668
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,240
Rogal Dorne's like, how can I keep us together as a Legion?

669
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:12,800
I know, if I kill most of my Legion, there won't be enough Imperial Fists to form new chapters with.

670
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,120
Then we'll stay together forever.

671
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,840
I thought they're gonna change that, surely.

672
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,200
I think because it was written by...

673
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:19,840
I hope they do.

674
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,440
Was it written by Matt Ward, if I'm not mistaken?

675
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,400
Related to Ultramarine?

676
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,280
Uh, I don't know.

677
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,080
No, not Matt Ward.

678
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,880
I don't think it was, although the ending might have been when the Ultramarines show up to save the Imperial Fists.

679
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:36,160
To be fair, the Imperial Fists don't have the best track record of, like, keeping themselves from getting extinct, if I'm honest.

680
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,400
Oh yeah, the War of the Beasts coming up.

681
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:39,860
Yeah.

682
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,040
But to keep this...

683
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,120
I do like the Fists, to keep this from just dunking on them for the rest of the episode.

684
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,520
After this happens, Gilman pens the Codex Astardes,

685
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,080
and has the Legions divide into chapters.

686
00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:01,760
Now, something of note, is what I feel like is worthwhile mentioning, is that the chapters were already something within the Legions.

687
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,600
It was just more so like, this is like an organizational unit.

688
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:11,520
So it's kind of like, you know, in an army you'll have like a squad, a battalion, a platoon, just going up.

689
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,200
It's uh, chapters were essentially that for the Legions.

690
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:21,200
And now it was just, uh, take those chapters, and that's the group of spaceships.

691
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,600
The group of space marines, they're not part of a grand Legion, they're just their chapter now.

692
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,880
And naturally, the Ultramarines, given that their Primarch did this, accepted this without complaint,

693
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,240
and split across the galaxy into all the hundreds and hundreds of successor chapters

694
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,720
that now form up from the Ultramarine gene seed.

695
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,040
So, you know, at least Gilman didn't have to listen to any back talk from his sons

696
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,760
when he penned the Codex Astardes, he had that much going for him.

697
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,640
They already love all his previous works, they're like, sign it, please, please, I'm a big fan.

698
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,640
Another one, please, more books.

699
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,960
All right, no, the Ultramarines are the ones that don't have daddy-ish in this setting, calm down.

700
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,240
It's the other Legions that are fatherless.

701
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:11,280
Isn't it quite crazy, they went from like 250,000 Ultramarines to essentially a thousand.

702
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,160
That still blows my mind thinking, wow.

703
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,600
It's a very exclusive club.

704
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:20,000
Yeah, they must have a lot of equipment left over.

705
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,440
They do, and I feel like now is a good time to mention,

706
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,000
Andy, you remember that Genesis chapter you brought up earlier?

707
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:28,500
Yeah.

708
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,480
They are pretty much an entire chapter of spares for the Ultramarines.

709
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,080
So like, say the Ultramarines, they're down, like, hey, this guy died in a battle,

710
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,400
we need a new Librarian or a Tech Marine.

711
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,360
They'll just grab a Genesis chapter Librarian or Tech Marine, and he's now an Ultramarine.

712
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,920
You've been promoted, well done.

713
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,480
Yeah, it's like you are now an Ultramarine, and they even

714
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:59,920
correct any codex deviations the Genesis chapter has, so they will be nice and perfect Ultramarines.

715
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,840
So if you ever wondered, man, the Ultramarines sure seem to get into a lot of crap and

716
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,520
come out without any losses.

717
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,000
They do have losses, they just pilfer the Marines of another chapter.

718
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,760
To be fair, there's some really cool, like, some of the first founding ones, like there's,

719
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,120
like, the Scythes of the Emperor.

720
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,160
They tended to promote to chapter master a lot of people in the Horus Heresy who did,

721
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,280
like, a particularly good deed, like the Scythes of the Emperor was the guy who defended the

722
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:28,000
sofa device and, like, I can't remember exactly what happened with, like, the Nohther Marines,

723
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,760
but, like, there's another one.

724
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,000
I feel like it's the Raptors, but it's not the Raptors, but there's another one.

725
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,000
They have, like, silverish grey armour.

726
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:36,640
Doom Eagles.

727
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:37,200
Oh, yeah.

728
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,200
Doom Eagles, that's the one, yeah.

729
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,080
They have, like, a lot of interesting ones where it's like, oh, who's the chapter master?

730
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,760
It's like, they did a cool thing and they helped save Gilam and you're like, oh, fair

731
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,320
enough, yeah, cool, yeah, put your best guys on the job.

732
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:48,800
Yeah.

733
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,840
Do we all have a favourite Ultramarine successor chapter?

734
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:53,200
I gotta be honest.

735
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,080
The Scythes of the Emperor.

736
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:58,240
I think it's the Genesis chapter because it's so funny to me.

737
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,920
It's like their bargain brand of Ultramarines.

738
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,760
Discount Ultramarines.

739
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:06,880
I don't know, what's the one where...

740
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,480
We have Ultramarines at home, this is the Genesis chapter.

741
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,560
What's the one that, like, they worship the dead?

742
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,400
They're like green armour.

743
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,120
Mortifactors.

744
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:15,600
Mortifactors.

745
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Mortifactors.

746
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,120
Mortifactors.

747
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,240
Mortifactors, yeah.

748
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:19,760
It's something like that.

749
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,720
It's something close to that.

750
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,000
I was like, the Mortifactors.

751
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:22,880
Morti-something.

752
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:23,920
Mortifactors have, like...

753
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,040
Mortifactors are also...

754
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,480
I think that's Raven Dirt.

755
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:32,400
Yeah, the Mortifactors have, like, a skull as their sigil on a black background with,

756
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,200
like, a green trim.

757
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,000
They eat people.

758
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:34,800
Yeah, and they eat people.

759
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:35,360
They're quite funny.

760
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,120
And they keep the ashes of the dead, don't they?

761
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,000
And they spread it.

762
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,920
Yeah, there's a weird amount of superstition in the Ultramarine successors.

763
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,440
Like the Howling Griffons.

764
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:46,560
Oh yeah.

765
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,360
Oh, they're cool.

766
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,600
Their gene fly's just hating the word bears.

767
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,160
That's not a flaw, that's a perk.

768
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:57,120
Just, um...

769
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,000
They make a map so as to be able to find the word bears.

770
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:00,800
Silver Skulls?

771
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:02,800
Are Silver Skulls Ultramarines?

772
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,160
Yep, Silver Skulls Ultramarines.

773
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,240
They've almost died so many times.

774
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,560
50% of all chapters in the Imperium are from the Ultramarines.

775
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,920
Flip a coin if you name a chapter.

776
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:14,880
Oh, Firewalls.

777
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:15,360
Firewalls.

778
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:15,920
Firewalls.

779
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,120
Firewalls.

780
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:17,840
Oh yeah, they are Ultramarines.

781
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,600
Have you looked at the Legion of the Damned?

782
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,080
I like just looking at, like, the Wiki page for Ultramarines, and the whole page, if you,

783
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,720
like, go, like, the whole left side of the page, or right side of the page is just chapter,

784
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,080
chapter, chapter, chapter, chapter, chapter, chapter, chapter, chapter.

785
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:30,960
There's, like, 60.

786
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:32,640
Geez.

787
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,760
Is he, were the Astral Knights Ultramarines?

788
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,560
Astral Claws, I mean, sorry, not Knights, the Astral Claws.

789
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,920
Oh, yes, when we left Huron, he became Huron Blackheart.

790
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:42,420
Sorry.

791
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:43,760
Oof, big L.

792
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:49,520
That's the whole, that's the whole reason he justified his, uh, him expanding, expanding,

793
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,000
I think, you know, in big letters there.

794
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,480
And the, uh, not quite the same thing, but, uh, Huan Su from the Iron Warriors has,

795
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,480
uh, Ultramarine gene seed in him, doesn't he?

796
01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:59,280
Mm.

797
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,880
No, he, he's half, he's half-

798
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,080
He's half-fist.

799
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:06,160
Yeah, half Iron Warrior, half Imperial Fist, but he battles-

800
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,600
I think he's Ultramarine for some reason.

801
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,280
I think he has something.

802
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,160
I think he's a half-

803
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,320
Because he battles Uriel Ventress, doesn't he?

804
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,840
Yeah, so technically Ultramarine, that's the Ultramarine part there.

805
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,160
But no, um, because Fabius Bile made him.

806
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,680
That's why he's, Fabius Bile's experimenting.

807
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,440
It's in the, oh, it's in one of the Emperor's children books.

808
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,040
I think it's Angel Exterminatus, the very end.

809
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,280
Yeah, I'm gonna read that one soon, it's so-

810
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,920
And that's the, I guess that's the downside of having so many members of, like, the Ultramarines,

811
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,360
like, the traitors just occasionally are like, I was a good Ultramarine,

812
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,200
I wonder what became of my gene seed.

813
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,880
Oh, that guy's using it.

814
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:43,940
Ugh.

815
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,320
Eugh, he's a word bearer.

816
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,040
They must have the most stolen gene seed by far.

817
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:49,920
Yeah, exactly.

818
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:50,720
Well, it's, it's-

819
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:53,440
Oh, sorry, what's that be like?

820
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,880
Well, I was gonna ask you if it was the Pyrrhus, is that, is that correct?

821
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,120
Uh, that's, I believe that is the reason that so many chapters use their gene seed.

822
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:05,760
There's, of course, the initial boost was like, there's just so many Ultramarines after the heresy,

823
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,760
they're gonna make up a lot, but they're frequently chosen to have their gene seed

824
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,280
used for future foundings because it's so stable.

825
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,200
Like, the closest thing they have to a flaw is they become more organized,

826
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:24,000
and they're, like, that's, if that's your gene seed flaw, compared to, you know, the Black Rage,

827
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,800
I think it's pretty simple who's gonna go with who.

828
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:28,260
True.

829
01:03:28,260 --> 01:03:34,660
Um, also this, that's, as you can probably tell, anyone listening, that's why I said this, uh,

830
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:39,140
beginner to expert might be more overall Ultramarines as a whole, because the moment

831
01:03:39,140 --> 01:03:44,580
you start diving into specifics, they have so much going for them in terms of lore.

832
01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:46,100
I mean, what we-

833
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:47,460
I, Kato Zekarius.

834
01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:50,020
I, Kato, I'm getting to him, Hal, don't you worry.

835
01:03:50,020 --> 01:03:52,020
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

836
01:03:52,020 --> 01:03:56,180
We just spent a good, what, five minutes just talking about naming successor chapters.

837
01:03:56,180 --> 01:03:58,260
True, true.

838
01:03:58,260 --> 01:04:00,740
Deva, there's a lot of Ultramarine to go around.

839
01:04:02,180 --> 01:04:07,460
So, to get back to the main chapter, not just the bargain, bargain bin Ultramarines.

840
01:04:07,460 --> 01:04:10,100
Oh, Genesis are getting really bad today.

841
01:04:11,060 --> 01:04:11,700
I want it to be known.

842
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:13,300
And that badge sucks, it's rubbish.

843
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:18,820
I love them, they're awesome. It's just that, if I talked about nothing but, you know,

844
01:04:18,820 --> 01:04:21,860
the badass space marine chapter, I'd be here all day, there's space marines.

845
01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:26,180
I just like how people are like, is that a blood angel? Oh no, it's a Genesis.

846
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:30,820
There's one guy listening to this who has his entire army of Genesis chapter, and he's just

847
01:04:30,820 --> 01:04:36,580
got, and he's like not crying yet, but his tears are, his eyes are misty. He's like,

848
01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:38,820
screw you, lore crimes.

849
01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:42,020
You know what, like, mortar factors are cool because they eat people. He's like, why?

850
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:47,700
Well, you know what, one Genesis guy, you keep rocking on with your-

851
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:52,660
With your- Yes, please comment below if that was you, and if you're upset.

852
01:04:52,660 --> 01:04:53,460
Bargain brands.

853
01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:58,180
I looked them up on the wiki just now and their only chapter, like, is just a book.

854
01:05:00,020 --> 01:05:00,900
It's just a book.

855
01:05:01,860 --> 01:05:02,900
What, like a Bible?

856
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:06,340
And you got like, people call the Ultramarines blueberries,

857
01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:08,660
I guess you could call them raspberries because they got like that.

858
01:05:08,660 --> 01:05:09,220
Oh yeah.

859
01:05:10,340 --> 01:05:13,700
Yeah, what's up with blue raspberry flavouring? That's what's in my head now.

860
01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:15,620
It's delicious is what it is.

861
01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:18,020
It's why these chapters go so well together.

862
01:05:18,020 --> 01:05:19,220
What flavour's the blue?

863
01:05:19,860 --> 01:05:20,500
It's not raspberry.

864
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:20,980
I don't know.

865
01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:31,220
Anyway, to lead up to what they were up to until modern times, which is always a weird thing to say,

866
01:05:31,860 --> 01:05:35,540
discussing a sci-fi franchise, but the modern times of the setting, I guess.

867
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:42,020
They would over time strengthen the realm of Ultramar, and it is largely unaffected by

868
01:05:42,020 --> 01:05:46,980
all the religious strife and civil wars that plague the rest of the Imperium every five minutes.

869
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:54,260
Although the realm of Ultramar that they officially control does slowly shrink down over the millennia

870
01:05:54,260 --> 01:05:57,860
to only a handful of worlds as opposed to the full 500.

871
01:05:58,980 --> 01:06:03,220
But that being said, the Ultramarines did go down to just one chapter, so

872
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:06,740
they hardly needed the full 500 anymore.

873
01:06:06,740 --> 01:06:10,980
What they were left with is still more than enough to ensure that they were constantly kept up to

874
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:12,340
date on supplies and whatnot.

875
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:17,700
And when Gilliman nearly had his head ferris-mannessed by Fulgrim,

876
01:06:20,980 --> 01:06:26,660
Fulgrim almost said two for two on that, but he was poisoned and Gilliman was put into stasis,

877
01:06:26,660 --> 01:06:32,660
so the Ultramarines, with his absence, would just have to look to the Codex Astartes for guidance

878
01:06:32,660 --> 01:06:33,780
on how to handle themselves.

879
01:06:34,740 --> 01:06:38,900
Which, if you've ever played the Space Marine video game, you know where this is going,

880
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:44,420
it turned the Codex from, you know, it's like, hey, this is a good guidebook on organization and whatnot

881
01:06:45,140 --> 01:06:49,140
for us to listen to, into this is religious doctrine, we need to follow the Codex.

882
01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:50,500
Ultramarine Bible.

883
01:06:50,500 --> 01:06:50,820
Exactly.

884
01:06:50,820 --> 01:06:53,140
Yeah, it became the Ultramarine Bible.

885
01:06:54,260 --> 01:06:58,980
In the infamous words of Leandros, the Codex Astartes does not support this action.

886
01:07:00,500 --> 01:07:04,340
Yeah, so the plus side of this meant that

887
01:07:04,340 --> 01:07:10,180
if there's a scenario that is in the Codex that comes up, the Ultramarines are going to face stomp,

888
01:07:10,180 --> 01:07:11,460
it's not even going to be close.

889
01:07:12,420 --> 01:07:19,060
The downside of that means that they go from just being vulnerable to being wrong-footed to,

890
01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:25,460
if you can out-plan them in even the slightest way, you are going to absolutely crush them.

891
01:07:26,580 --> 01:07:31,700
So that's kind of the way the degradation of the Ultramarines happens.

892
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:37,780
In many ways, they don't lose as much technology as others, because Macragge was such a nice little

893
01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:44,020
space empire, but their organization, their fighting ability definitely decays because of the Codex

894
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:46,420
and Gilman getting his head almost taken off.

895
01:07:47,060 --> 01:07:49,940
What's with their thing about double power fist?

896
01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:55,860
Someone else, I always thought it must be the most useless thing in the entire setting is that just

897
01:07:55,860 --> 01:07:56,980
a big fist.

898
01:07:56,980 --> 01:07:58,260
What are you talking about?

899
01:07:58,260 --> 01:08:03,460
One is a cowdog, big double.

900
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:05,220
He can't hold anything.

901
01:08:05,220 --> 01:08:07,620
He doesn't need to hold anything.

902
01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:09,140
He just punches everything.

903
01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:15,220
Can I refer back to the cover of No No Fear with Gilman literally punching the heads off Wordman?

904
01:08:15,220 --> 01:08:15,940
It's pretty cool.

905
01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:20,180
It's for when they get outsmarted.

906
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:21,460
Now it's time for Marneus Cowdart.

907
01:08:21,460 --> 01:08:22,580
I don't need Sattelty.

908
01:08:22,580 --> 01:08:24,260
Let's be honest, Colton, your pro...

909
01:08:25,540 --> 01:08:27,220
That almost came out as a very bad sentence.

910
01:08:27,220 --> 01:08:27,460
Yeah?

911
01:08:27,460 --> 01:08:34,020
Your pro double fist until it comes to an Avatar of Cain.

912
01:08:34,020 --> 01:08:34,980
Oh, we'll get to that.

913
01:08:36,980 --> 01:08:38,660
Bring up not such heresy.

914
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:41,780
Did we mention that Gilman became a phareous?

915
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:44,340
I'm not humoring that.

916
01:08:44,340 --> 01:08:45,460
I'm not humoring that.

917
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:49,060
Eli, you want to explain that theory?

918
01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:57,140
Gilman went to the Alpha Legion and allegedly killed someone who we thought was Omegon,

919
01:08:57,140 --> 01:09:02,180
but everyone else died and then Gilman came back basically and everything was fine.

920
01:09:02,180 --> 01:09:03,940
So Gilman's apharius.

921
01:09:03,940 --> 01:09:04,900
Don't worry about it.

922
01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:05,380
How I should...

923
01:09:05,380 --> 01:09:06,180
No, no, no.

924
01:09:06,180 --> 01:09:07,300
Omegon's a short ass.

925
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:08,420
You would have noticed.

926
01:09:08,420 --> 01:09:08,820
Hang on.

927
01:09:08,820 --> 01:09:10,660
He's the same height as the normal Astartes.

928
01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:11,540
That doesn't make sense.

929
01:09:11,540 --> 01:09:13,540
Gilman just lost three feet in height.

930
01:09:13,540 --> 01:09:14,100
What happened?

931
01:09:14,980 --> 01:09:16,500
Just wearing stilts in his shoes.

932
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:21,620
I choose to believe that Gilman once again made the traitors his bitch.

933
01:09:21,620 --> 01:09:24,260
But anyways, to move on.

934
01:09:24,260 --> 01:09:26,260
I think about the Alpha Legion, I get annoyed.

935
01:09:29,940 --> 01:09:30,740
But fair.

936
01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:32,500
That is a theory that happened.

937
01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:38,660
Anyways, a little bit of an opinion for me again.

938
01:09:38,660 --> 01:09:46,980
Macroch itself sort of becomes a Constantinople to Terra's Rome and that it is a much nicer

939
01:09:46,980 --> 01:09:54,100
place to live and arguably a better source of practical power because Terra,

940
01:09:54,100 --> 01:10:00,660
after the Horus heresy, becomes a bit of a trash fire as it were.

941
01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:02,820
It's like a stacked upon stacked world of...

942
01:10:02,820 --> 01:10:03,380
Yeah.

943
01:10:03,380 --> 01:10:04,580
A pilgrim world, isn't it?

944
01:10:04,580 --> 01:10:10,660
Yeah, it's a pilgrim world and the pilgrimage queues are so long that most people die in the line.

945
01:10:11,940 --> 01:10:12,580
Yikes.

946
01:10:12,580 --> 01:10:13,140
Yeah.

947
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:13,940
Awesome.

948
01:10:13,940 --> 01:10:18,100
I didn't know that.

949
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:21,860
You also can't see the sun from a certain level because it's so much smoke.

950
01:10:21,860 --> 01:10:24,580
Yeah, because it's a hive world and there's so much stuff.

951
01:10:26,260 --> 01:10:30,980
But you know, Terra does still, similar to Rome, has a very large amount of religious

952
01:10:30,980 --> 01:10:32,180
and symbolic status.

953
01:10:33,060 --> 01:10:39,060
But Macrog, at least I would argue, has more practical worth as a governing body.

954
01:10:39,060 --> 01:10:46,580
But again, this is a little bit of Colin throwing out equal parts theory in ultramarines propaganda

955
01:10:46,580 --> 01:10:47,300
and favoritism.

956
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:48,740
So take that with a grain of salt.

957
01:10:49,940 --> 01:10:55,300
And with that being said, ever since the Horus heresy, the ultramarines have pretty much spent

958
01:10:55,300 --> 01:11:00,580
time just fighting every single enemy the Imperium has to offer and usually winning.

959
01:11:01,540 --> 01:11:06,740
They fought the Tau, who at one point wrong-footed them pretty hard, like I mentioned earlier.

960
01:11:06,740 --> 01:11:11,780
When the Tau memorized the Codex of Stardes in its entirety, don't know how they managed

961
01:11:11,780 --> 01:11:13,780
that because that is a very big book.

962
01:11:14,660 --> 01:11:18,420
But they did and used it to fight the ultramarines off and it went pretty well for the Tau.

963
01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:24,660
But then the ultramarines just fortified their borders and then the Tau couldn't really get

964
01:11:24,660 --> 01:11:25,220
past it.

965
01:11:25,220 --> 01:11:30,180
They've, Marnius Calgar certainly did fight in Avatar of Cain.

966
01:11:31,220 --> 01:11:33,140
That's a sad, you're conflicted on that.

967
01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:35,300
That is most definitely a thing that happened.

968
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:36,900
I don't need to be conflicted.

969
01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:40,900
That is simply Wardian propaganda to make the ultramarines look good, as we all know.

970
01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:43,860
Everything is canon, not everything is true.

971
01:11:44,420 --> 01:11:49,540
So that is just ultramarine propaganda that Marnius Calgar 1v1'd in Avatar of Cain in 1.

972
01:11:50,180 --> 01:11:54,980
For someone who's new, does anyone want to explain why the Mat Ward jokes are?

973
01:11:57,940 --> 01:12:00,180
If, is anyone else dying to get to this?

974
01:12:00,180 --> 01:12:00,980
Otherwise I can...

975
01:12:00,980 --> 01:12:03,460
I think Eli gets a killer hatred to be honest.

976
01:12:03,460 --> 01:12:05,460
I can sense it.

977
01:12:05,460 --> 01:12:07,460
I don't hate my ward.

978
01:12:07,460 --> 01:12:11,460
I did when I was a little kid because I was like, oh, these ultramarine guys get all the

979
01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:12,420
cool stuff.

980
01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:14,420
Why can't my guys be cool like them?

981
01:12:16,420 --> 01:12:21,220
Mat Ward writes some good stuff, but he also writes anything with an ultramarine on the

982
01:12:21,220 --> 01:12:21,780
cover.

983
01:12:21,780 --> 01:12:26,980
It's like they have so much plot armor, they get to do the cooler stuff and it unbalances

984
01:12:26,980 --> 01:12:32,580
the kind of, the whole like, what's the power level of like a space marine and then they

985
01:12:32,580 --> 01:12:34,580
do stuff that Primarchs don't even need to do.

986
01:12:34,580 --> 01:12:36,580
You go hang on a minute, he's just like a dude.

987
01:12:36,580 --> 01:12:40,580
He's a superhuman dude, but he shouldn't be able to do this.

988
01:12:40,580 --> 01:12:42,580
That's mental.

989
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:46,580
Like Lorgar struggling to kill an Avatar of Cain in the Horus Heresy and Marnius Calgar

990
01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:48,580
a marine.

991
01:12:48,580 --> 01:12:50,580
1v1-ing it.

992
01:12:50,580 --> 01:12:52,580
1v1-ing it, yeah.

993
01:12:52,580 --> 01:12:56,580
Doesn't the librarian of the ultramarines also fend off the entire Tyrian Hive fleet?

994
01:12:56,580 --> 01:12:58,580
Oh no, he makes contact with the Hive mind.

995
01:12:58,580 --> 01:13:00,580
Yeah, that's the one.

996
01:13:00,580 --> 01:13:02,580
Doesn't go insane.

997
01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:06,580
Yeah, so I will say this about Matt Ward.

998
01:13:06,580 --> 01:13:11,580
When he's writing dialogue and such and plot stuff that isn't necessary about the ultramarines,

999
01:13:11,580 --> 01:13:13,580
he's actually a fairly good writer.

1000
01:13:13,580 --> 01:13:17,580
I don't know if you guys know, but he wrote the dialogue for Vermintide, at least a lot

1001
01:13:17,580 --> 01:13:18,580
of them.

1002
01:13:18,580 --> 01:13:20,580
Oh yeah, I remember you saying that.

1003
01:13:20,580 --> 01:13:25,580
Honestly, that game I would say has some of the best dialogue out of any cooperative game.

1004
01:13:25,580 --> 01:13:26,580
It redeems him.

1005
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:27,580
It redeems him.

1006
01:13:27,580 --> 01:13:32,580
I believe he also wrote Battlefleet Gothic, at least some of the plot.

1007
01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:37,580
And of course he is responsible for bringing Trazin the Infinite to the world, which,

1008
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:39,580
gotta love Trazin.

1009
01:13:39,580 --> 01:13:41,580
And the demon Gelava if I'm not mistaken.

1010
01:13:41,580 --> 01:13:43,580
No, that's Gray McNeil, remember?

1011
01:13:43,580 --> 01:13:44,580
Gray McNeil.

1012
01:13:44,580 --> 01:13:49,580
Don't mind me then, I've just fused the anger that people have for Matt Ward onto the most

1013
01:13:49,580 --> 01:13:51,580
disgusting thing in the set.

1014
01:13:51,580 --> 01:13:53,580
It is an ultramarine story, to be fair.

1015
01:13:53,580 --> 01:13:55,580
Oh, that's why I think.

1016
01:13:55,580 --> 01:14:01,580
But yeah, for the general controversy, he's not the worst writer, but when he has a favorite,

1017
01:14:01,580 --> 01:14:05,580
by God, are you going to know that they are Matt Ward's favorite chapter?

1018
01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:07,580
A bit Mary Sue.

1019
01:14:07,580 --> 01:14:09,580
Yeah, I know he's the male equivalent.

1020
01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:11,580
You're the Grey Knights as well.

1021
01:14:11,580 --> 01:14:12,580
Gary Stu.

1022
01:14:12,580 --> 01:14:13,580
Gary Stu, but Gary Stu.

1023
01:14:13,580 --> 01:14:14,580
Gotta say, yeah, he's also...

1024
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:19,580
And as a White Scar fan, it makes me offended, because all my favorite characters die.

1025
01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:24,580
He also helmed, yeah, the Grey Knights.

1026
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:26,580
Some questionable lore there.

1027
01:14:26,580 --> 01:14:27,580
Enough said.

1028
01:14:27,580 --> 01:14:28,580
Yeah.

1029
01:14:28,580 --> 01:14:29,580
Away from the pain.

1030
01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:36,580
Matt Ward is responsible for quite a bit of the ultramarine's lore being as controversial,

1031
01:14:36,580 --> 01:14:38,580
shall we say.

1032
01:14:38,580 --> 01:14:42,580
But to get into the lore itself, you know, talk about it.

1033
01:14:42,580 --> 01:14:49,580
The most perhaps noteworthy battle the ultramarines have faced was against the Tyranids.

1034
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:55,580
Now, during the first Tyranic War, when they were new to the Imperium, to the Galaxy,

1035
01:14:55,580 --> 01:14:58,580
naturally people didn't really know how to fight them.

1036
01:14:58,580 --> 01:15:03,580
And because when you don't know what you're doing, or when the ultramarines don't know how to react to the situation,

1037
01:15:03,580 --> 01:15:07,580
because it's not in the Codex, they're in trouble.

1038
01:15:07,580 --> 01:15:12,580
And it was even worse with the Tyranids, because, well, yeah, you might know,

1039
01:15:12,580 --> 01:15:18,580
the Tyranids have synapse creatures that connect the individual forms to hive mind.

1040
01:15:18,580 --> 01:15:20,580
No one really knew that at first.

1041
01:15:20,580 --> 01:15:23,580
It was just, here is an endless swarm of beasts.

1042
01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:25,580
There's no supply chains to disrupt.

1043
01:15:25,580 --> 01:15:27,580
There's no chain of command.

1044
01:15:27,580 --> 01:15:30,580
There's just a bunch of them trying to kill us.

1045
01:15:30,580 --> 01:15:36,580
And though they did eventually manage to repulse Highfleet Behemoth, or Behemoth, or however you say it,

1046
01:15:36,580 --> 01:15:43,580
the first major Highfleet invasion, the entire first company, which is the best of the best of the chapter,

1047
01:15:43,580 --> 01:15:48,580
was wiped to a man, and the rest of the company suffered pretty serious losses as well.

1048
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:54,580
And Marnius Kalgar himself, their chapter master, was almost slain.

1049
01:15:54,580 --> 01:15:59,580
True to form, though, to the ultramarines, this would result in the formation of the Tyranic war veterans,

1050
01:15:59,580 --> 01:16:02,580
who were ultramarines specialized in fighting the Tyranids.

1051
01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:07,580
So, like I said, ultramarines got wrong-footed, it stung pretty bad,

1052
01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:10,580
but now they're ready to go, and they know how to handle the Tyranids.

1053
01:16:10,580 --> 01:16:13,580
Like, did you call for an exterminator?

1054
01:16:13,580 --> 01:16:16,580
They're the galaxy's best pest control.

1055
01:16:16,580 --> 01:16:22,580
And sure enough, come the battle against the next Highfleet Leviathan,

1056
01:16:22,580 --> 01:16:26,580
the ultramarines were more prepared, and their losses were not as bad.

1057
01:16:26,580 --> 01:16:33,580
That being said, the battle was still costly, and who was almost wiped out were the size of the Emperor,

1058
01:16:33,580 --> 01:16:38,580
and, of course, the Lamenters, because of course the Lamenters were almost wiped out.

1059
01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:40,580
Catch a break, brother!

1060
01:16:40,580 --> 01:16:45,580
I was reading the page of the wiki, and I was like, oh good, the Lamenters are mentioned, I wonder what's happening.

1061
01:16:45,580 --> 01:16:49,580
Oh, right, they're almost being wiped out, what a surprise.

1062
01:16:49,580 --> 01:16:52,580
Has Marnius Kalgar lost all his limbs yet?

1063
01:16:52,580 --> 01:16:54,580
Uh, no.

1064
01:16:54,580 --> 01:16:55,580
To the next one?

1065
01:16:55,580 --> 01:16:57,580
Oh, that was, oh sorry, I should have mentioned a bit more.

1066
01:16:57,580 --> 01:17:00,580
That was Behamoth, I believe, when he was eaten.

1067
01:17:00,580 --> 01:17:02,580
He won V1 to Swarmlord?

1068
01:17:02,580 --> 01:17:05,580
Yeah, he won V1 to Swarmlord and found out, oh, that's not a good idea.

1069
01:17:05,580 --> 01:17:10,580
I'm just thinking of the Black Knight from Monty Python, where he's just losing a Lamenter.

1070
01:17:10,580 --> 01:17:12,580
I was like, I'm invincible!

1071
01:17:12,580 --> 01:17:13,580
They were loony.

1072
01:17:13,580 --> 01:17:15,580
That was a TTS joke, wasn't it?

1073
01:17:15,580 --> 01:17:16,580
Yeah, yeah, it was.

1074
01:17:16,580 --> 01:17:17,580
We'll call it a draw.

1075
01:17:17,580 --> 01:17:24,580
There's an interesting part as well that they had to def- I don't know if this is a spoiler, if you're going to go into it,

1076
01:17:24,580 --> 01:17:28,580
but they had to defy the Codex of Stardes to beat the Tyranids.

1077
01:17:28,580 --> 01:17:29,580
Indeed, the Tyranids.

1078
01:17:29,580 --> 01:17:33,580
Which was insane for these people, considering, yeah.

1079
01:17:33,580 --> 01:17:34,580
Go ahead, sorry?

1080
01:17:34,580 --> 01:17:40,580
Yeah, the Tyranic war veterans are not in the Codex because 10,000 years ago, when Gilamon wrote it,

1081
01:17:40,580 --> 01:17:47,580
the Tyranids weren't a thing, which should go to show you just how far they were pushed to the brink,

1082
01:17:47,580 --> 01:17:51,580
that the people who worship it as basically their Bible, like you said, Andy, went,

1083
01:17:51,580 --> 01:17:55,580
maybe we should make some changes, make some additions.

1084
01:17:55,580 --> 01:18:02,580
Still waiting for the resurrected Primarch Rebuti-Gilamon to draft the Codex Attracti so they can learn how to talk to girls.

1085
01:18:02,580 --> 01:18:04,580
Oh, you never learned it.

1086
01:18:04,580 --> 01:18:07,580
I don't know how to talk to girls.

1087
01:18:07,580 --> 01:18:10,580
Okay, now he's got a girlfriend, it's fine.

1088
01:18:10,580 --> 01:18:12,580
Featuring an excerpt from Yvrain.

1089
01:18:12,580 --> 01:18:14,580
God.

1090
01:18:14,580 --> 01:18:16,580
We haven't totally explained that yet.

1091
01:18:16,580 --> 01:18:19,580
Just let them know about your personality and interests, Yvrain.

1092
01:18:19,580 --> 01:18:20,580
We'll get to it.

1093
01:18:20,580 --> 01:18:23,580
She's no fan of the Mongol dogs of the Empire.

1094
01:18:23,580 --> 01:18:27,580
This is not how you honor the sick house and the tribes beyond Mourn.

1095
01:18:27,580 --> 01:18:33,580
I've got another video to show you later of Dagoth Ur-Hal, but it can't tell.

1096
01:18:33,580 --> 01:18:35,580
Too many.

1097
01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:38,580
Naturally, this is the part where you remember, oh right,

1098
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:41,580
Colin has his preferences, doesn't he, for his favorite faction.

1099
01:18:41,580 --> 01:18:44,580
Because during the fight against Hive Fleet Leviathan,

1100
01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:48,580
it is of note that the Ultramarines only faced half of Leviathan.

1101
01:18:48,580 --> 01:18:52,580
The other half squarely aimed at Krafrold Ienden,

1102
01:18:52,580 --> 01:18:55,580
who stabbed it so hard that the Hive might itself felt it.

1103
01:18:55,580 --> 01:18:57,580
So, yeah.

1104
01:18:57,580 --> 01:19:00,580
Eat that, Tigrarius.

1105
01:19:00,580 --> 01:19:03,580
Mr. Librarian who can talk to the Hive mind.

1106
01:19:03,580 --> 01:19:05,580
You didn't hurt it.

1107
01:19:05,580 --> 01:19:06,580
Eldar he would.

1108
01:19:06,580 --> 01:19:09,580
Ariel did. Another common Eldar W.

1109
01:19:09,580 --> 01:19:11,580
No one called me out on that.

1110
01:19:11,580 --> 01:19:14,580
No one bring up all of the elves.

1111
01:19:14,580 --> 01:19:17,580
It only took all of the Krafrold.

1112
01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:21,580
No, it only took four-fifths of the Krafrold.

1113
01:19:21,580 --> 01:19:25,580
And some from all the other Krafrolds.

1114
01:19:25,580 --> 01:19:27,580
Oh, poor Ienden.

1115
01:19:27,580 --> 01:19:30,580
But, you know, fair is fair.

1116
01:19:30,580 --> 01:19:32,580
Ultramarines held off half of it.

1117
01:19:32,580 --> 01:19:34,580
The Eldar held off the other half.

1118
01:19:34,580 --> 01:19:39,580
It was a joint effort, which is a theme that will come up in the Ultramarines.

1119
01:19:39,580 --> 01:19:42,580
We were talking about Matt Ward earlier.

1120
01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:47,580
Cato Sicarius also fought a Katan Shard by himself and won.

1121
01:19:47,580 --> 01:19:52,580
And Marnius Kalgar wielded a Necron Pylon like a weapon.

1122
01:19:52,580 --> 01:19:59,580
Which, for reference, imagine someone picking up a fire station and beating someone to death with it.

1123
01:19:59,580 --> 01:20:06,580
Getting Metal Gear Rising scenes where he just picks up Metal Gear by hand and just goes flump.

1124
01:20:06,580 --> 01:20:12,580
Now see, if they portrayed it like that, I would have looked at it a little bit more favorably.

1125
01:20:12,580 --> 01:20:15,580
Which Katan Shard did Cato fight?

1126
01:20:15,580 --> 01:20:17,580
Was it an Avatar of Cain?

1127
01:20:17,580 --> 01:20:21,580
No, I think it was the Nightbringer?

1128
01:20:21,580 --> 01:20:25,580
Isn't that Uriel Ventress?

1129
01:20:25,580 --> 01:20:30,580
Uriel Ventress fights a Katan Shard as well.

1130
01:20:30,580 --> 01:20:32,580
I think he might fight one as well.

1131
01:20:32,580 --> 01:20:34,580
They were all getting a piece of Katan Shard.

1132
01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:39,580
I think people have to, if you're watching, comment below if we've law-crimbed that.

1133
01:20:39,580 --> 01:20:42,580
It's like the idea of the Ultramarines are back at base and are like,

1134
01:20:42,580 --> 01:20:46,580
I beat up Katan Shards for breakfast, it's not a big deal.

1135
01:20:46,580 --> 01:20:49,580
Blood Angels, you haven't beaten a Katan Shard yet.

1136
01:20:49,580 --> 01:20:51,580
Ugh, keep up.

1137
01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:55,580
The Eldar and their orcs at their heights could barely handle the Katan.

1138
01:20:55,580 --> 01:20:58,580
Thankfully the Ultramarines are the greatest of them all.

1139
01:20:58,580 --> 01:21:03,580
Thank God I, Cato Socarus, it's here to stop your Katan Shard.

1140
01:21:03,580 --> 01:21:06,580
Pull over, Cairne.

1141
01:21:06,580 --> 01:21:09,580
Matt Ward, everyone!

1142
01:21:09,580 --> 01:21:16,580
But to get to modern times now, because that little segment of the Ultramarines

1143
01:21:16,580 --> 01:21:20,580
beating everything they come across is essentially their history

1144
01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:24,580
for the next 10,000 years from the Horus Heresies to modern times.

1145
01:21:24,580 --> 01:21:28,580
And speaking of which, we now get to modern times.

1146
01:21:28,580 --> 01:21:33,580
And who else returns but their Primarch?

1147
01:21:33,580 --> 01:21:37,580
Belisarius Kaal fashioned him a very nice piece of armor.

1148
01:21:37,580 --> 01:21:41,580
Yvrain kissed his boo-boos with space elf magic.

1149
01:21:41,580 --> 01:21:44,580
I was wondering what you were going to say.

1150
01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:49,580
Belisarius gave him the drip and then Yvrain kissed him.

1151
01:21:49,580 --> 01:21:51,580
Okay.

1152
01:21:51,580 --> 01:21:54,580
It was just like Sleeping Beauty, true love's kiss.

1153
01:21:54,580 --> 01:21:56,580
And Giliman is back.

1154
01:21:56,580 --> 01:22:00,580
First thing he does is beat several hundred Chaos Marines to death barehanded.

1155
01:22:00,580 --> 01:22:03,580
Might not have been hundred, but hundreds sound like a cool number to me.

1156
01:22:03,580 --> 01:22:07,580
He punched a lot of people to death when Yvrain woke up.

1157
01:22:07,580 --> 01:22:14,580
Oh, that scene though, when he basically gets the armor of fate stuck on him.

1158
01:22:14,580 --> 01:22:19,580
He's in a little chamber and they're fighting in the fortress of Hera around him.

1159
01:22:19,580 --> 01:22:24,580
The Ultramarines and Kalgar are basically being swarmed by Chaos Marines.

1160
01:22:24,580 --> 01:22:26,580
And then immediately it opens.

1161
01:22:26,580 --> 01:22:28,580
It goes ding! Like a little toaster.

1162
01:22:28,580 --> 01:22:30,580
And then it opens.

1163
01:22:30,580 --> 01:22:32,580
And it's like Giliman's face, isn't it?

1164
01:22:32,580 --> 01:22:34,580
His face is like pure hate.

1165
01:22:34,580 --> 01:22:36,580
And all of them just stop.

1166
01:22:36,580 --> 01:22:39,580
I always loved that part. It was so funny when I first read it.

1167
01:22:39,580 --> 01:22:44,580
It makes me think of Sauron in the first Lord of the Rings where he's just looming over the soldiers

1168
01:22:44,580 --> 01:22:48,580
and the big mace in his hand and he just goes, right, baf!

1169
01:22:48,580 --> 01:22:50,580
And they just go flying.

1170
01:22:50,580 --> 01:22:52,580
It's so good though.

1171
01:22:52,580 --> 01:22:55,580
I'm imagining the Rogue One scene with Darth Vader.

1172
01:22:55,580 --> 01:22:58,580
It's like the door opens and it's just a pry mark.

1173
01:22:58,580 --> 01:23:03,580
And they're like Chaos Space Marines shouting at the door like, let us out!

1174
01:23:03,580 --> 01:23:05,580
Imagine you're 10,000 years old.

1175
01:23:05,580 --> 01:23:09,580
You've been through the horrors of the scene and you're like, oh, we've got this and that. Oh, come on.

1176
01:23:09,580 --> 01:23:15,580
And then the only remaining loyalist pry mark, son of God, walks through the door.

1177
01:23:15,580 --> 01:23:18,580
You're like, nope, I'm out. Let me out. Let me out. Let me out.

1178
01:23:18,580 --> 01:23:23,580
Funny enough, he's holding the flaming sword of the emperor.

1179
01:23:23,580 --> 01:23:25,580
And they're all just staring at him.

1180
01:23:25,580 --> 01:23:29,580
And it's really funny, you can hear the background battle, but everyone's like,

1181
01:23:29,580 --> 01:23:35,580
imagine it's like you catch your kids fighting and you walk in and they're all just staring.

1182
01:23:35,580 --> 01:23:40,580
And then one berserker just yells, he runs at Gilman and he just claps him in half

1183
01:23:40,580 --> 01:23:45,580
and then he puts a helm on and he's just like, doff, doff, doff, and just runs into them.

1184
01:23:45,580 --> 01:23:49,580
Basically annihilates everyone. It's so good.

1185
01:23:49,580 --> 01:23:51,580
It's a gathering storm. Gathering storm.

1186
01:23:51,580 --> 01:23:58,580
Noah, I know that's this is ultramarines, not just Gilman, but that's too cool a scene to not talk about.

1187
01:23:58,580 --> 01:24:00,580
Oh, the ultramarines were holding it down as well.

1188
01:24:00,580 --> 01:24:04,580
They were, to give them credit. It wasn't that the ultramarines like, oh, they're getting pushed back.

1189
01:24:04,580 --> 01:24:05,580
They need their pry mark.

1190
01:24:05,580 --> 01:24:10,580
It was these are overwhelming amounts of chaos marines showing up

1191
01:24:10,580 --> 01:24:16,580
because they got an inkling of what was going on with Gilman in there and they did not want that succeeding.

1192
01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:20,580
Was it specifically a particular war band or who were the chaos marines?

1193
01:24:20,580 --> 01:24:22,580
I believe they were black legion. Black legion.

1194
01:24:22,580 --> 01:24:24,580
Ah, fair enough. Black legionnaires.

1195
01:24:24,580 --> 01:24:29,580
They went from a victory at Cadia to, oh, no, we don't want him waking up.

1196
01:24:29,580 --> 01:24:33,580
That's got a little bit too big of an impact. Oh, we blew up Cadia. We can do anything. Never mind.

1197
01:24:33,580 --> 01:24:35,580
Literally the, you're stuck in here with me.

1198
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:37,580
Yeah. Who's waking up?

1199
01:24:37,580 --> 01:24:44,580
And with that, the ultramarines have been given new life with Gilman returning.

1200
01:24:44,580 --> 01:24:49,580
He's begun revising the codex a bit because he looked at what happened to the Imperium.

1201
01:24:49,580 --> 01:24:55,580
Cried a lot on the inside, probably. He's not a fan of what's turned into the Imperium.

1202
01:24:55,580 --> 01:24:59,580
And went to work fixing it, which included revising his codex

1203
01:24:59,580 --> 01:25:04,580
so his sons would learn to have just a little bit of originality in them again.

1204
01:25:04,580 --> 01:25:12,580
And MacCrog and the ultramarines as a whole have more or less become independent.

1205
01:25:12,580 --> 01:25:18,580
They're not in the sense of, we have succeeded. We are no longer part of the Imperium.

1206
01:25:18,580 --> 01:25:24,580
But Gilman and the ultramarines directly oversee it with Marneus Kalgar, if I remember correctly.

1207
01:25:24,580 --> 01:25:27,580
He is the one in charge of overseeing it himself.

1208
01:25:27,580 --> 01:25:36,580
I think the plan's turned into a kind of, it's like a bastion realm where they want to draw chaos to fight on their turf.

1209
01:25:36,580 --> 01:25:39,580
So they've turned into kind of a fortified area.

1210
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:45,580
And for the historical inspiration, it is more and more becoming the Eastern Roman Empire

1211
01:25:45,580 --> 01:25:50,580
to the decaying Imperium, Western Roman Empire.

1212
01:25:50,580 --> 01:25:55,580
With MacCrog getting its own little renaissance and everything else is falling apart.

1213
01:25:55,580 --> 01:25:58,580
I bet the Dark Angels are furious.

1214
01:25:58,580 --> 01:26:02,580
We wanted somewhat independence for ages and they get it.

1215
01:26:02,580 --> 01:26:07,580
My house is made of rocks now and it's flies. Oh, it's terrible.

1216
01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:09,580
They should have had their sleeping dad wake up first.

1217
01:26:09,580 --> 01:26:11,580
Where's my dad?

1218
01:26:11,580 --> 01:26:15,580
If only they knew to just go into the basement.

1219
01:26:15,580 --> 01:26:22,580
It's kind of cool for the ultramarines as well because they're the only chapter where

1220
01:26:22,580 --> 01:26:27,580
throughout the 10,000 years the Imperium was rotting, they could actually see,

1221
01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:33,580
because their Primarch was in stasis in the fortress of Hera, they could actually see a Primarch.

1222
01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:36,580
Because obviously most of the Imperium was like, it was a myth, wasn't it?

1223
01:26:36,580 --> 01:26:42,580
Oh yeah, the Primarchs were beings of myth, but every ultramarine literally saw Gilliman

1224
01:26:42,580 --> 01:26:44,580
as they were like training.

1225
01:26:44,580 --> 01:26:49,580
I guess to an extent the Blood Angels could watch their dad sarcophagus and be like,

1226
01:26:49,580 --> 01:26:51,580
I'm sad, I'm still sad.

1227
01:26:51,580 --> 01:26:53,580
It's better than what the Iron Hands got.

1228
01:26:53,580 --> 01:26:55,580
Is Sanguin buried on Baal?

1229
01:26:55,580 --> 01:27:01,580
I'm pretty sure he was because he got killed and then Rogal Dorn took him to Holy Tower.

1230
01:27:01,580 --> 01:27:05,580
Then the Blood Angels put him in a golden casket and took him to Baal, didn't they?

1231
01:27:05,580 --> 01:27:10,580
I'll go ahead and say that was a big worry with the devastation of Baal because they didn't want

1232
01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:14,580
the Tyranids getting Primarch DNA because that would have been bad.

1233
01:27:14,580 --> 01:27:16,580
Yikes.

1234
01:27:16,580 --> 01:27:20,580
Tyranid with long flowing luscious hair, like oh no, what have you done?

1235
01:27:20,580 --> 01:27:24,580
But yeah, that was a really good point you brought up for a while.

1236
01:27:24,580 --> 01:27:30,580
You were the only ones who were like, we know they existed for certain, we know what they were kind of like,

1237
01:27:30,580 --> 01:27:34,580
because we're looking at one of them, he's in a glass case like Lennon over there.

1238
01:27:34,580 --> 01:27:38,580
Just thinking of that Simpsons sketch now.

1239
01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:42,580
I can't believe whatever we're talking about.

1240
01:27:42,580 --> 01:27:44,580
That's amazing.

1241
01:27:44,580 --> 01:27:52,580
There was some friction when Gilman came back a bit between him and Kalgar,

1242
01:27:52,580 --> 01:28:00,580
because it was actually kind of funny, because in Kalgar's mind, these are 10,000 year old sacred relics

1243
01:28:00,580 --> 01:28:07,580
of his Primarch, and Gilman, from his perspective, it's been like five minutes since he last used them,

1244
01:28:07,580 --> 01:28:12,580
because he was put in a coma, it wasn't like he was conscious those 10,000 years, so he just shows them,

1245
01:28:12,580 --> 01:28:18,580
why are you venerating my old trash? This is a pencil, this is not a sacred object, Kalgar.

1246
01:28:18,580 --> 01:28:25,580
That just reminds me of Red Dwarf, where Lister has a grocery list in his back pocket or something,

1247
01:28:25,580 --> 01:28:32,580
and then the cats of the ship evolve, and they leave to find the promised land, and they use his list as coordinates,

1248
01:28:32,580 --> 01:28:35,580
and it's so stupid.

1249
01:28:35,580 --> 01:28:39,580
I was like, what is this?

1250
01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:47,580
And some other stuff that was happening, of course, the Primaris Marines, the ultra-ultra Marines, as it were.

1251
01:28:47,580 --> 01:28:55,580
Gilman and Kahl's blasphemous hordes, if you're not a fan of the Primaris Marines,

1252
01:28:55,580 --> 01:29:01,580
Gilman sent them across the galaxy, oftentimes delivering them directly.

1253
01:29:01,580 --> 01:29:10,580
I know Gilman directly delivered them to the Dark Angels, in fact, the Dark Angels briefly thought that the jig was up with the whole fallen thing.

1254
01:29:10,580 --> 01:29:13,580
You're being replaced.

1255
01:29:13,580 --> 01:29:21,580
I think they debated opening fire on them, and it was only Asriel that was like, no, no, no, if this is our time, it's time to suck it up.

1256
01:29:21,580 --> 01:29:29,580
Oh, he's the one who actually had to hold his nerve, because he was the one who thought that Gilman had come to annihilate them,

1257
01:29:29,580 --> 01:29:35,580
and he was like, I'm just going to let them on board, and then he just faced each other on a whim.

1258
01:29:35,580 --> 01:29:37,580
Asriel clenched very tight.

1259
01:29:37,580 --> 01:29:41,580
Just face the music now, and then it turns out Gilman's just here with presents.

1260
01:29:41,580 --> 01:29:43,580
Gilman must know, surely.

1261
01:29:43,580 --> 01:29:47,580
Uh, would he?

1262
01:29:47,580 --> 01:29:49,580
There's not much that escapes Gilman.

1263
01:29:49,580 --> 01:29:59,580
He had some doubts with Cipher going to Terra, as we'll cover that a bit more extensively in his own video,

1264
01:29:59,580 --> 01:30:07,580
but Gilman does speak with the Emperor when he wakes up, and did promise Cipher, a fallen Dark Angel, the chance to speak to him as well,

1265
01:30:07,580 --> 01:30:13,580
and then he looked at the sword on Cipher's back and was like, no, no, you don't get to speak to Dad, no way in hell.

1266
01:30:13,580 --> 01:30:15,580
Wait, is that the lions? I've seen that before.

1267
01:30:15,580 --> 01:30:17,580
It's like, wait a minute.

1268
01:30:17,580 --> 01:30:19,580
Wait a minute.

1269
01:30:19,580 --> 01:30:24,580
Yeah, so I don't know if he specifically knows about the whole fallen kerfuffle.

1270
01:30:24,580 --> 01:30:31,580
I would not be surprised if he's aware that there's some less than savory Dark Angels out there, though.

1271
01:30:31,580 --> 01:30:37,580
I've thought about it, but I'm still unsure.

1272
01:30:37,580 --> 01:30:39,580
I'm sure we'll get to see soon if the lion comes back soon.

1273
01:30:39,580 --> 01:30:41,580
Yeah, we'll see soon, won't we?

1274
01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:45,580
Yeah, I imagine that's gotta be going somewhere.

1275
01:30:45,580 --> 01:30:48,580
And some other stuff they've been up to.

1276
01:30:48,580 --> 01:30:53,580
The Plague Wars, where Merturian and the Death Guard decided they wanted a bite of Ultramar.

1277
01:30:53,580 --> 01:31:02,580
They were repulsed, but it did end up as a bit of a Pyrrhic victory as the Death Guard got it some permanent real space presence.

1278
01:31:02,580 --> 01:31:06,580
Although it was only three planets, if I'm reading correctly.

1279
01:31:06,580 --> 01:31:16,580
So it's not like all of Ultramar is falling apart, but three planets is three more planets more of Nergal infestation than you want in your empire.

1280
01:31:16,580 --> 01:31:20,580
So still not great, but could have been a lot worse.

1281
01:31:20,580 --> 01:31:26,580
I think the thing is as well that I was thinking about this early in the week, because Gilliman fights Mortarion.

1282
01:31:26,580 --> 01:31:30,580
Gilliman's fought every trade of Primarch, I think, other than Perderabo and Horus.

1283
01:31:30,580 --> 01:31:33,580
And he's not going to get a chance with Horus, so I thought that was interesting.

1284
01:31:33,580 --> 01:31:35,580
He must have fought the most.

1285
01:31:35,580 --> 01:31:37,580
That's true, yeah.

1286
01:31:37,580 --> 01:31:38,580
I didn't realise that.

1287
01:31:38,580 --> 01:31:40,580
Gilliman has gotten around.

1288
01:31:40,580 --> 01:31:44,580
He's always on OK in the fights. He's not the best.

1289
01:31:44,580 --> 01:31:46,580
He's always outmatched, unfortunately.

1290
01:31:46,580 --> 01:31:51,580
That's the problem with being the administrative Primarch when it's time for a fist fight.

1291
01:31:51,580 --> 01:31:54,580
He won't win the battle, but he'll win the war.

1292
01:31:54,580 --> 01:32:02,580
Yeah, in a 1v1 he's not winning, but there's a reason Horus was afraid of the Ultramarines and not Gilliman specifically.

1293
01:32:02,580 --> 01:32:07,580
Well, the Ultramarines are the first to cross the Rubicon Primaris too.

1294
01:32:07,580 --> 01:32:08,580
They were.

1295
01:32:08,580 --> 01:32:09,580
I think so.

1296
01:32:09,580 --> 01:32:18,580
The Marnius Kalgar, the first one to go through the procedure as an existing firstborn space marine and become a Primaris marine.

1297
01:32:18,580 --> 01:32:28,580
So, of course, there was already the millions of Primaris that were created, but Kalgar was the first one to become a Primaris from a firstborn.

1298
01:32:28,580 --> 01:32:35,580
I think him and three others took it with him, but they all died, and he was the only one who made it.

1299
01:32:35,580 --> 01:32:37,580
He's the only one who was sad.

1300
01:32:37,580 --> 01:32:41,580
He's the only named character with a mini who did it.

1301
01:32:41,580 --> 01:32:42,580
True.

1302
01:32:42,580 --> 01:32:44,580
That's kind of cool though as well.

1303
01:32:44,580 --> 01:32:47,580
We obviously know the reason why he was the first one to cross.

1304
01:32:47,580 --> 01:32:48,580
Yeah.

1305
01:32:48,580 --> 01:32:49,580
A miniature line.

1306
01:32:49,580 --> 01:32:50,580
It's a setting.

1307
01:32:50,580 --> 01:32:55,580
It's not a linear story necessarily, but that's still kind of cool.

1308
01:32:55,580 --> 01:32:58,580
The people doing the operation were like, we need someone pretty tough to endure this.

1309
01:32:58,580 --> 01:33:01,580
And they saw his massive gauntlet, so I think he'll be fine.

1310
01:33:01,580 --> 01:33:05,580
If he can hold those things, he can handle this.

1311
01:33:05,580 --> 01:33:14,580
I can't describe it in the book, Darkness in the Blood, because they do it to Mephiston, and they describe how the operation works.

1312
01:33:14,580 --> 01:33:22,580
So, this might be a bit too graphic, but they literally cut you open, peel you back, shall we say.

1313
01:33:22,580 --> 01:33:25,580
They feed in tubes over your chest.

1314
01:33:25,580 --> 01:33:26,580
It's really funny.

1315
01:33:26,580 --> 01:33:28,580
It's not funny, but it's funny.

1316
01:33:28,580 --> 01:33:38,580
They have to peel off Mephiston's face, and then they have to make his face bigger, and then they put the face back on, which always confused me.

1317
01:33:38,580 --> 01:33:40,580
I wouldn't want to do this surgery on Mephiston.

1318
01:33:40,580 --> 01:33:42,580
He'd probably stare at you while you did it.

1319
01:33:42,580 --> 01:33:43,580
He was dead when it happened.

1320
01:33:43,580 --> 01:33:44,580
He was 100% dead.

1321
01:33:44,580 --> 01:33:47,580
But he still had his eyes open just to be creepy and be like...

1322
01:33:47,580 --> 01:33:54,580
His soul was in the warp when it was happening, and they had to massage his heart while it was happening.

1323
01:33:54,580 --> 01:34:03,580
They almost didn't make it, because apparently the Rubicon Primaris doesn't work as well on legions with a unique gene seed.

1324
01:34:03,580 --> 01:34:08,580
Obviously, Ultramarine's gene seed is stable, so they don't need to try with theirs.

1325
01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:10,580
So all of them.

1326
01:34:10,580 --> 01:34:16,580
Yeah, so the Ultramarine's had a much more successful time of crossing the Rubicon Primaris.

1327
01:34:16,580 --> 01:34:18,580
I think it says that, what was implied.

1328
01:34:18,580 --> 01:34:22,580
Basically, Dark Angels and Ultramarines are the only ones who aren't going to have the worst time with it.

1329
01:34:22,580 --> 01:34:23,580
And White Scars.

1330
01:34:23,580 --> 01:34:25,580
Yeah, I just like the idea of the three of them just like...

1331
01:34:25,580 --> 01:34:28,580
Oh, it's having a tough time there, Space Wolf.

1332
01:34:28,580 --> 01:34:30,580
Ah, it's a shame, it's a shame.

1333
01:34:30,580 --> 01:34:32,580
Just having a cigarette in the back.

1334
01:34:32,580 --> 01:34:37,580
I heard you had trouble crossing your Rubicon Primaris.

1335
01:34:37,580 --> 01:34:39,580
No.

1336
01:34:39,580 --> 01:34:43,580
Like your Belisarian furnace doesn't kick in for four hours.

1337
01:34:43,580 --> 01:34:46,580
What's the heart thing called?

1338
01:34:46,580 --> 01:34:49,580
It's the Belisarius.

1339
01:34:49,580 --> 01:34:50,580
It's a really cool name.

1340
01:34:50,580 --> 01:34:52,580
It's the Belisarian furnace.

1341
01:34:52,580 --> 01:34:54,580
Belisarian furnace?

1342
01:34:54,580 --> 01:34:56,580
Furnace, it's inferno or something.

1343
01:34:56,580 --> 01:35:00,580
Maybe it's like infernus to make it sound more fancy.

1344
01:35:00,580 --> 01:35:01,580
The really cool part.

1345
01:35:01,580 --> 01:35:03,580
But yeah.

1346
01:35:03,580 --> 01:35:04,580
I always got the name of it.

1347
01:35:04,580 --> 01:35:05,580
There's something else, but I didn't...

1348
01:35:05,580 --> 01:35:07,580
Well, think of it at some point, but that's a really cool part.

1349
01:35:07,580 --> 01:35:13,580
I wasn't prepared to discuss Primaris Anatomy, so I don't know the name of it off the top of my head.

1350
01:35:13,580 --> 01:35:15,580
Well, essentially this makes, for people who are new, this is the...

1351
01:35:15,580 --> 01:35:18,580
I've just checked, it's the Belisarian furnace.

1352
01:35:18,580 --> 01:35:20,580
Oh, so cool.

1353
01:35:20,580 --> 01:35:22,580
There's a few as well.

1354
01:35:22,580 --> 01:35:26,580
There's the Belisarian furnace, the Magnificat, and the sinew coils.

1355
01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:31,580
Oh yeah, that's the bit where they were shoving metal over the muscle.

1356
01:35:31,580 --> 01:35:33,580
It was pretty crazy.

1357
01:35:33,580 --> 01:35:35,580
But yeah, sorry.

1358
01:35:35,580 --> 01:35:36,580
Ultramarines.

1359
01:35:36,580 --> 01:35:38,580
Oh, more Ultramarines.

1360
01:35:38,580 --> 01:35:46,580
And one more important thing of note is the time that the Ultramarines collaborated with the Eldar to get a whole bunch of Imperial officials killed.

1361
01:35:46,580 --> 01:35:48,580
I'd like to talk about that.

1362
01:35:48,580 --> 01:35:50,580
Oh, oh what?

1363
01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:57,580
This was during the Vigilis campaign, which was one of those big narrative events after Cadia that GW was doing,

1364
01:35:57,580 --> 01:36:00,580
where pretty much every faction showed up to throw down.

1365
01:36:00,580 --> 01:36:07,580
So Vigilis is one of the two places where you can safely cross the Great Rift, which for those of you who don't know,

1366
01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:13,580
is the massive warp storm that tears the galaxy in half and makes it pretty much untransversable.

1367
01:36:13,580 --> 01:36:15,580
What's the other one?

1368
01:36:15,580 --> 01:36:17,580
I don't remember the name of the other one.

1369
01:36:17,580 --> 01:36:19,580
I know there's two.

1370
01:36:19,580 --> 01:36:24,580
Vigilis is one of them, and this was the one that was the focus of the campaign.

1371
01:36:24,580 --> 01:36:31,580
So the Eldar show up, trying to stop some chaos threats from growing out of control.

1372
01:36:31,580 --> 01:36:36,580
The problem is the Dark Eldar had showed up before them,

1373
01:36:36,580 --> 01:36:41,580
and did to the Imperial Guard what the Dark Eldar are known to do.

1374
01:36:41,580 --> 01:36:45,580
Murder and kidnap and just be the worst in general.

1375
01:36:45,580 --> 01:36:47,580
Turn them into furniture.

1376
01:36:47,580 --> 01:36:49,580
Yeah, turn them into...

1377
01:36:49,580 --> 01:36:53,580
So when the Eldar, the Craft War Eldar show, would be like,

1378
01:36:53,580 --> 01:36:56,580
chaos, we've got to stop this,

1379
01:36:56,580 --> 01:36:59,580
many of the officials and some of the generals in charge went,

1380
01:36:59,580 --> 01:37:03,580
oh, more Eldar. You're going to pay for what you did.

1381
01:37:03,580 --> 01:37:08,580
And when the Eldar tried to explain, no, that wasn't us, that was a different Eldar, that the...

1382
01:37:08,580 --> 01:37:12,580
Imagine them going, same team, same team, same team, same team!

1383
01:37:12,580 --> 01:37:16,580
The Imperials responded with lasgun fire and such.

1384
01:37:16,580 --> 01:37:18,580
Stupid mongrel dogs of the Empire.

1385
01:37:18,580 --> 01:37:20,580
Exactly. Stupid mongrel dogs of the Empire.

1386
01:37:20,580 --> 01:37:24,580
It's not how you honor the sick house and the tribes of the Unmourned.

1387
01:37:24,580 --> 01:37:28,580
I need more of that. More.

1388
01:37:28,580 --> 01:37:34,580
And so what ends up happening is, those Eldar retreat, they're from Craftworld Saimhan,

1389
01:37:34,580 --> 01:37:38,580
they're like, alright, screw this, you don't get help anymore.

1390
01:37:38,580 --> 01:37:42,580
But they do begin speaking with Marnius Kalgar,

1391
01:37:42,580 --> 01:37:46,580
and form a bit of a truce,

1392
01:37:46,580 --> 01:37:50,580
and part of the terms of the truce is Saimhan, the Craftworld Eldar, they're like,

1393
01:37:50,580 --> 01:37:56,580
we still have unfinished business with those people who opened fire on us before we were going to help you,

1394
01:37:56,580 --> 01:38:01,580
and Marnius was like, alright, well, they're Imperial officials, so they're probably corrupt and worthless anyway,

1395
01:38:01,580 --> 01:38:04,580
let's go solve this.

1396
01:38:04,580 --> 01:38:10,580
So I believe what happened was, Marnius Kalgar and other Ultramarine officers said,

1397
01:38:10,580 --> 01:38:14,580
there will be a meeting inside of this building,

1398
01:38:14,580 --> 01:38:19,580
please meet us inside of the room, we will be there shortly,

1399
01:38:19,580 --> 01:38:22,580
and then all of the officials piled into the building,

1400
01:38:22,580 --> 01:38:24,580
the Ultramarines locked the door behind them,

1401
01:38:24,580 --> 01:38:29,580
and then it was revealed that the building was filled with angry magical space elves.

1402
01:38:29,580 --> 01:38:30,580
Oof.

1403
01:38:30,580 --> 01:38:33,580
That's kinda cool though. That's really cool.

1404
01:38:33,580 --> 01:38:37,580
And then there was no more blood debt,

1405
01:38:37,580 --> 01:38:41,580
feel free to imagine however you think that played out in your own head.

1406
01:38:41,580 --> 01:38:45,580
Maybe they all had tea and crumpets and made up with each other.

1407
01:38:45,580 --> 01:38:50,580
And then yelled for no reason.

1408
01:38:50,580 --> 01:38:54,580
But that is largely what the Ultramarines are up to in modern times.

1409
01:38:54,580 --> 01:38:59,580
For a bit about their organization, they're of course adherent to the Codex,

1410
01:38:59,580 --> 01:39:04,580
with ten companies each creating a total of a thousand marines roughly.

1411
01:39:04,580 --> 01:39:08,580
A little bit of Codex deviation, both with the Tyranic War veterans

1412
01:39:08,580 --> 01:39:16,580
and the poor old Genesis chapter who exists solely to give the Ultramarines men whenever they need it.

1413
01:39:16,580 --> 01:39:21,580
But largely adherent to the Codex.

1414
01:39:21,580 --> 01:39:25,580
And not taking the piss like the Black Templar, so it's like, oh yeah, Codex.

1415
01:39:25,580 --> 01:39:27,580
That's cute, that's cute.

1416
01:39:27,580 --> 01:39:30,580
And the others are like, ah, that's very cute. Wink, wink.

1417
01:39:30,580 --> 01:39:33,580
Yeah, stupid wolves.

1418
01:39:33,580 --> 01:39:38,580
But yeah, and unlike many other chapters, material losses are very swiftly replaced.

1419
01:39:38,580 --> 01:39:44,580
Ultramar is quite the big realm for a single chapter, even as over time it kind of shrank a bit.

1420
01:39:44,580 --> 01:39:49,580
And it pretty much ensured that the Ultramarines suffered the least amount of technological regression

1421
01:39:49,580 --> 01:39:53,580
out of all legions except the Dark Angels.

1422
01:39:53,580 --> 01:39:58,580
The Dark Angels still had a lot of fancy toys that we'll talk about later.

1423
01:39:58,580 --> 01:40:03,580
But the Ultramarines definitely weren't doing too bad in that front either.

1424
01:40:03,580 --> 01:40:06,580
And they also have a bit of a modest fleet.

1425
01:40:06,580 --> 01:40:08,580
It's not the biggest in the Imperium.

1426
01:40:08,580 --> 01:40:12,580
The Wiki even makes a point of going, listen, it's not the biggest.

1427
01:40:12,580 --> 01:40:15,580
Giliman, not the biggest fan of fleet battles.

1428
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:18,580
He wants to fight on the ground, boots on the ground.

1429
01:40:18,580 --> 01:40:23,580
I know before we started the podcast today, we were talking about Michael Caine.

1430
01:40:23,580 --> 01:40:28,580
He's just there going, it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it.

1431
01:40:28,580 --> 01:40:33,580
That's not how I thought Michael Caine would be referencing Warhammer.

1432
01:40:33,580 --> 01:40:35,580
Wow.

1433
01:40:35,580 --> 01:40:39,580
I mean, it's applicable. It makes sense.

1434
01:40:39,580 --> 01:40:40,580
That's true.

1435
01:40:40,580 --> 01:40:42,580
To how they view fleet combat.

1436
01:40:42,580 --> 01:40:45,580
They do have one of the biggest ships in the fleet in the whole Imperium, at least.

1437
01:40:45,580 --> 01:40:52,580
I was going to say, the MacRogs Honor, one of the few remaining Gloriana-class battleships in the Imperium left.

1438
01:40:52,580 --> 01:40:55,580
Did Caine Blackheart not steal that one?

1439
01:40:55,580 --> 01:40:57,580
He owned a different Ultramarines ship.

1440
01:40:57,580 --> 01:41:01,580
I doubt he would steal that one because I think Giliman's on it.

1441
01:41:01,580 --> 01:41:04,580
That's a steal of Giliman too.

1442
01:41:04,580 --> 01:41:09,580
There was a whole thing, actually, where they tried to go kill Giliman.

1443
01:41:09,580 --> 01:41:13,580
This is newer lore, I think, in the newer, here on Blackheart.

1444
01:41:13,580 --> 01:41:16,580
That's when he tried to get back to Terra, I think.

1445
01:41:16,580 --> 01:41:21,580
I know he briefly got kidnapped by Kyros Fateweaver.

1446
01:41:21,580 --> 01:41:28,580
I don't know why him, but I guess all the Chaos Gods had to make an appearance.

1447
01:41:28,580 --> 01:41:32,580
But as for the fleet of it, they have that one.

1448
01:41:32,580 --> 01:41:36,580
And when Giliman turned, they buffed their fleet up a little bit.

1449
01:41:36,580 --> 01:41:45,580
Not a lot, but they just pulled two more Gloriana-class battleships from somewhere and just added it to the fleet.

1450
01:41:45,580 --> 01:41:49,580
I don't know about this. They just found them. Oh, these will do.

1451
01:41:49,580 --> 01:41:55,580
I couldn't find a source of where they came from, but it just said, yeah, two more Gloriana-class battleships, part of the Ultramarines fleet.

1452
01:41:55,580 --> 01:41:58,580
It must be part of the Indomitus Crusade.

1453
01:41:58,580 --> 01:42:04,580
For someone who's new, that's the ongoing storyline of Warhammer.

1454
01:42:04,580 --> 01:42:07,580
The Indomitus Crusade book. Dawn of Fire, isn't it?

1455
01:42:07,580 --> 01:42:10,580
Which is mostly held by the Ultramarines, to be fair.

1456
01:42:10,580 --> 01:42:16,580
The Ultramarines doing their best to stave off the collapse of the Imperium and give everyone the business.

1457
01:42:16,580 --> 01:42:21,580
Fair is fair. They've been doing a pretty good job at it so far.

1458
01:42:21,580 --> 01:42:33,580
But yeah, also, if you're wondering what a Gloriana-class battlecruiser is, imagine that really big Star Destroyer from episode 5 that crashes into the Death Star.

1459
01:42:33,580 --> 01:42:39,580
Now imagine that the Ultramarines just found two more. They just found them lying in a bin somewhere.

1460
01:42:39,580 --> 01:42:46,580
Well, the thing is, they were supposed to be made for each of the Primarchs, so did they get them from a store room of the Lost Primarchs?

1461
01:42:46,580 --> 01:42:51,580
Or did they just nick Conrad Kerz as one and go, we're repainting this?

1462
01:42:51,580 --> 01:43:00,580
I like to imagine that they showed up to the Blood Angels Fortress Monastery and were like, I don't see a Primarch here, I think we'll be taking this out.

1463
01:43:00,580 --> 01:43:05,580
This belongs to Giliman now, buddy.

1464
01:43:05,580 --> 01:43:10,580
But wherever they got them, their fleet, you know, it got an upgrade.

1465
01:43:10,580 --> 01:43:18,580
As for a couple important people, Giliman, he's their dad, he's the foundation of the Legion.

1466
01:43:18,580 --> 01:43:20,580
Papa Smurf.

1467
01:43:20,580 --> 01:43:25,580
Papa Smurf indeed. I think he'd be Grandpa Smurf, wouldn't he? Marneus Kalgar is Papa Smurf.

1468
01:43:25,580 --> 01:43:27,580
Yeah.

1469
01:43:27,580 --> 01:43:30,580
Whoever was leading the Legion before, Giliman could be.

1470
01:43:30,580 --> 01:43:32,580
Smurf politics.

1471
01:43:32,580 --> 01:43:33,580
Yeah.

1472
01:43:33,580 --> 01:43:36,580
Did Marneus Kalgar even come to be?

1473
01:43:36,580 --> 01:43:44,580
He is, I believe, he's been running the Ultramarines for, I believe it was roughly a thousand years.

1474
01:43:44,580 --> 01:43:48,580
It's 800, or maybe a thousand now actually.

1475
01:43:48,580 --> 01:43:54,580
Well, yeah, with the Andominus Crusade and the setting moving forward, I think it's closer to a thousand.

1476
01:43:54,580 --> 01:43:57,580
He's been around, he's been in charge for a while.

1477
01:43:57,580 --> 01:44:01,580
Speaking of, he's the next guy I wanted to bring up.

1478
01:44:01,580 --> 01:44:08,580
He's from the era of Mat Ward, he is the spiritual liege of every space marine in the galaxy.

1479
01:44:08,580 --> 01:44:12,580
Every chapter master looks up to him and wishes to be him.

1480
01:44:12,580 --> 01:44:15,580
They wish to be Ultramarines.

1481
01:44:15,580 --> 01:44:21,580
I have 110% unironically bought into Mat Ward propaganda.

1482
01:44:21,580 --> 01:44:24,580
And if you have a complaint with it, your Legion is fatherless.

1483
01:44:24,580 --> 01:44:32,580
I'm just imagining Dante and Bjorn just rolling their eyes so heavily like, we've been here longer than this guy.

1484
01:44:32,580 --> 01:44:38,580
In the background, the Ultramarines chant from Chaos Kade is blaring.

1485
01:44:38,580 --> 01:44:48,580
If anyone read that Marvel comic, the name Marneus Kalgar isn't actually his original name.

1486
01:44:48,580 --> 01:44:56,580
He took it on to honor the name.

1487
01:44:56,580 --> 01:45:02,580
And that same comic, he also ripped off a Lord of Skull's head and shot down its neck hole.

1488
01:45:02,580 --> 01:45:06,580
Just to be sure, just in case.

1489
01:45:06,580 --> 01:45:10,580
Just in case the decapitation didn't get the job done.

1490
01:45:10,580 --> 01:45:12,580
Did he fly up on, how did he get to the neck?

1491
01:45:12,580 --> 01:45:15,580
I think he might have flown, yeah, like a jump pack or something.

1492
01:45:15,580 --> 01:45:18,580
Or maybe he just jumped.

1493
01:45:18,580 --> 01:45:22,580
I don't know why, I just saw Marneus in my brain on a unicorn flying up.

1494
01:45:22,580 --> 01:45:25,580
Because the way you said, and then he flew up into the sky, what is this?

1495
01:45:25,580 --> 01:45:29,580
He ran on all fours.

1496
01:45:29,580 --> 01:45:39,580
He didn't put enough points into his mounts and total ore hammers, so he's stuck with the bag of nuts.

1497
01:45:39,580 --> 01:45:44,580
He's the chapter master though, even with Gellan returning, he still holds the position of chapter master.

1498
01:45:44,580 --> 01:45:49,580
He's of course subservient to Gilliman, but he's the one running the ultramarines day to day.

1499
01:45:49,580 --> 01:45:52,580
And yeah, he's a pretty smart guy.

1500
01:45:52,580 --> 01:45:55,580
He actually had a really good bro moment with the Lamenters.

1501
01:45:55,580 --> 01:45:59,580
They turned down a gift from him because they felt they weren't worthy of it.

1502
01:45:59,580 --> 01:46:04,580
And everyone else there was like, oh, you're snubbing our chapter master, our gift, huh?

1503
01:46:04,580 --> 01:46:05,580
You guys suck.

1504
01:46:05,580 --> 01:46:08,580
And Marneus Kalgar was like, all of you shut the hell up.

1505
01:46:08,580 --> 01:46:11,580
So yeah, he's actually a pretty cool dude.

1506
01:46:11,580 --> 01:46:14,580
He didn't go, you bow to no one.

1507
01:46:14,580 --> 01:46:17,580
And then it's like, oh, Colin doesn't get that reference.

1508
01:46:17,580 --> 01:46:20,580
I've seen that bit.

1509
01:46:20,580 --> 01:46:23,580
I'm going to scream.

1510
01:46:23,580 --> 01:46:27,580
Colin can't really lament anything because he'll probably get lost.

1511
01:46:27,580 --> 01:46:30,580
I'm going to mail some packages out tonight.

1512
01:46:30,580 --> 01:46:38,580
I like the, what Hal just said, I just imagine the blood ravens just licking their lips going, oh, that looks shiny.

1513
01:46:38,580 --> 01:46:41,580
They'd steal it from the Lamenters.

1514
01:46:41,580 --> 01:46:44,580
Poor Lamenters.

1515
01:46:44,580 --> 01:46:47,580
Next up, Cato Sicarius.

1516
01:46:47,580 --> 01:46:51,580
Yeah, I, Cato Sicarius.

1517
01:46:51,580 --> 01:46:56,580
Rather divisive character who depending on how you feel about the Ultramarines and Maddor.

1518
01:46:56,580 --> 01:46:58,580
Ultramarine with ADHD.

1519
01:46:58,580 --> 01:47:05,580
Yeah, he's either the end all be all badass under the sun due to fighting everything and winning because he's just so cool.

1520
01:47:05,580 --> 01:47:09,580
Or the biggest Mary Sue garbage character you have ever seen in your life.

1521
01:47:09,580 --> 01:47:13,580
It depends on how you feel about the Ultramarines and Space Marines in general.

1522
01:47:13,580 --> 01:47:17,580
He's a contrast to a lot of the Ultramarines because he's quite hot headed.

1523
01:47:17,580 --> 01:47:22,580
Just very different to the order and discipline they're kind of known for.

1524
01:47:22,580 --> 01:47:28,580
Which as a, to be fair to the people writing the writings about him, that's something that's been emphasized.

1525
01:47:28,580 --> 01:47:30,580
Oh, my pump is going off.

1526
01:47:30,580 --> 01:47:32,580
Whoops.

1527
01:47:32,580 --> 01:47:41,580
Anyways, he has been mentioned that he's, I believe he was both lost in the warp for a little bit and taken into Gilman's tutelage.

1528
01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:45,580
So that's kind of mellowed him out a bit.

1529
01:47:45,580 --> 01:47:53,580
Which to be fair, if I got lost in hell for however long, I'd probably be a bit different when I came out.

1530
01:47:53,580 --> 01:47:58,580
So Cato Sicarius is getting some character development.

1531
01:47:58,580 --> 01:48:00,580
Good for him.

1532
01:48:00,580 --> 01:48:02,580
Yeah, good for him.

1533
01:48:02,580 --> 01:48:12,580
There's Captain Titus, who if you've played the Space Marine game, you know as the biggest badass out of every Space Marine ever.

1534
01:48:12,580 --> 01:48:17,580
He understands that the Codex is a source of guidance, not blind worship.

1535
01:48:17,580 --> 01:48:25,580
Which basically Leandros was a Matt Ward stand-in that the creators of the game used to make fun of.

1536
01:48:25,580 --> 01:48:28,580
But Captain Titus, yeah, like I said, he's a cool guy.

1537
01:48:28,580 --> 01:48:30,580
He's a living blender, by the way.

1538
01:48:30,580 --> 01:48:35,580
Pretty much single-handedly saved the Forge world from orcs and then demons.

1539
01:48:35,580 --> 01:48:40,580
And fist fought a Chaos Lord in Terminator armor to death.

1540
01:48:40,580 --> 01:48:44,580
Was taken in by the Inquisition because Leandros is just the worst.

1541
01:48:44,580 --> 01:48:47,580
The Codex is stardest and does not support this action.

1542
01:48:47,580 --> 01:48:54,580
But at some point he was not only released back to the Ultramarines, but crossed the Rubicon Primaris.

1543
01:48:54,580 --> 01:48:56,580
So now he's a Primaris Marine.

1544
01:48:56,580 --> 01:48:58,580
Supposed to be good.

1545
01:48:58,580 --> 01:49:02,580
Although I look forward to it, but he's not voiced by Mark Strong anymore.

1546
01:49:02,580 --> 01:49:06,580
He's voiced by Rolo from Vikings.

1547
01:49:06,580 --> 01:49:10,580
Cool, but I'm like Mark Strong.

1548
01:49:10,580 --> 01:49:14,580
If it wasn't Mark Strong, that's the only person who's like, I'm okay with it.

1549
01:49:14,580 --> 01:49:16,580
But I'm still like Mark Strong.

1550
01:49:16,580 --> 01:49:19,580
Well, there's no reason to.

1551
01:49:19,580 --> 01:49:21,580
We'll see how he does.

1552
01:49:21,580 --> 01:49:24,580
I look forward to the game either way.

1553
01:49:24,580 --> 01:49:29,580
I just like the idea that when you undergo the Rubicon Primaris, you get like a voice change.

1554
01:49:29,580 --> 01:49:32,580
It's just like canon now.

1555
01:49:32,580 --> 01:49:39,580
And speaking of Space Marine 2, he's surely going to be adding Tyranids to his list of enemies of the Imperium.

1556
01:49:39,580 --> 01:49:42,580
He just blends.

1557
01:49:42,580 --> 01:49:45,580
Raw Dogs Imperial Guard lieutenants in his free time.

1558
01:49:45,580 --> 01:49:47,580
Lieutenant Mira.

1559
01:49:47,580 --> 01:49:50,580
Just taking her to town.

1560
01:49:50,580 --> 01:49:53,580
He's been reading the Codex.

1561
01:49:53,580 --> 01:49:55,580
Lieutenant Mirosi.

1562
01:49:55,580 --> 01:49:57,580
Had to get that one in.

1563
01:49:57,580 --> 01:49:59,580
Oh, Lord.

1564
01:49:59,580 --> 01:50:03,580
His canonicity is also kind of strange.

1565
01:50:03,580 --> 01:50:06,580
Because he's the captain of the second company.

1566
01:50:06,580 --> 01:50:11,580
But supposedly during the time he was captain, Kato Sakarya should have been captain.

1567
01:50:11,580 --> 01:50:15,580
So there's some weird date stuff kind of going on with him.

1568
01:50:15,580 --> 01:50:18,580
I think we can just chalk that up to Kato having an ego.

1569
01:50:18,580 --> 01:50:21,580
I was always in charge. I was always captain.

1570
01:50:21,580 --> 01:50:23,580
Kato was lost in the war.

1571
01:50:23,580 --> 01:50:26,580
It's the idea of him being a lieutenant under Titus.

1572
01:50:26,580 --> 01:50:30,580
And he was like, yeah, well actually, I was always the captain.

1573
01:50:30,580 --> 01:50:35,580
And I've never heard of this Titus guy before because I'm Kato Sakarya.

1574
01:50:35,580 --> 01:50:37,580
Sounds like a character trait he'd have.

1575
01:50:37,580 --> 01:50:42,580
Yeah. I think one of the solutions was it was when Kato was lost in the war, Titus was captain.

1576
01:50:42,580 --> 01:50:49,580
The only problem was the map they show in this first Space Marine game doesn't have the great rift on it.

1577
01:50:49,580 --> 01:50:55,580
There's only so much you can do. The great rift wasn't a thing in the lore when the Space Marine game was written.

1578
01:50:55,580 --> 01:50:57,580
It's 10 years old now, isn't it?

1579
01:50:57,580 --> 01:50:58,580
Yeah.

1580
01:50:58,580 --> 01:51:03,580
And to be fair, if you were creating the maps in the universe, you probably wouldn't make the map and then scribble the rift on top.

1581
01:51:03,580 --> 01:51:09,580
You'd be like, oh, that's up to you. Get your marker pen out. It's currently here.

1582
01:51:09,580 --> 01:51:18,580
And there's always, as the Imperium's communication and bureaucracy is perhaps, not the best in the world.

1583
01:51:18,580 --> 01:51:24,580
Philip, have you updated the maps? Well, I haven't had the requisition order yet. It has to be triplicated.

1584
01:51:24,580 --> 01:51:36,580
So, yeah, you can always just chalk it up to, well, someone's records got screwed up, which is a pretty good reasoning most of the time.

1585
01:51:36,580 --> 01:51:49,580
And one last character to bring up, Ilyin Nataste, a half Eldar astropath, soul bonded to the Emperor.

1586
01:51:49,580 --> 01:52:00,580
And after serving in an astropath, he then served with the Dark Angels for a while before becoming the head of communications for the Ultramarines.

1587
01:52:00,580 --> 01:52:07,580
This is still canon. The Smurfs know the Eldar are the best and know they should give them power when they can.

1588
01:52:07,580 --> 01:52:17,580
Coppercanned. As for him being canon, hell, that specifically is not that's from Rogue Traders, so that is old lore.

1589
01:52:17,580 --> 01:52:24,580
But that being said, Ilyin Nataste does actually show up again. He's now just an Eldar.

1590
01:52:24,580 --> 01:52:30,580
And Eldrad sent him as an advisor to Gilman during the Endometis Crusade.

1591
01:52:30,580 --> 01:52:37,580
That's kind of cool. Yeah, he was. And I believe he didn't really want to be there, but he's like, all right, Eldrad said to do this.

1592
01:52:37,580 --> 01:52:41,580
He's the smartest guy that we have. He's Eldrad. Suck it up.

1593
01:52:41,580 --> 01:52:49,580
The damn Monkai, the Mongol dogs of the Empire. Is this how you're one of the 6000 tribes of the Unborn?

1594
01:52:49,580 --> 01:52:54,580
You got to just play Morrowind, man.

1595
01:52:54,580 --> 01:53:02,580
You also have Yor-Yor Ventress too. A little bit on him. I could riff for days on that guy.

1596
01:53:02,580 --> 01:53:06,580
Could I finish up Ilyin and then if you want to talk about... Yes, of course.

1597
01:53:06,580 --> 01:53:17,580
New Ilyin, I guess he apparently had some pretty cool conversations with the Ultramarines and Gilman about the nature of divinity in the setting and even talked about whether or not the Emperor was a god.

1598
01:53:17,580 --> 01:53:24,580
Which given that Gilman's first reaction to speaking the Emperor was, if you're a god, you're not one worth worshipping.

1599
01:53:24,580 --> 01:53:29,580
I would love to see that conversation him and that Eldar had.

1600
01:53:29,580 --> 01:53:33,580
Wow. Yeah, you want to riff on Yor-Yor Ventress?

1601
01:53:33,580 --> 01:53:44,580
Oh, yeah. So Yor-Yor Ventress is probably my favorite Ultramarine character because if you haven't read his books or kind of new to Warhammer,

1602
01:53:44,580 --> 01:53:52,580
his journey is probably the most human a space marine will ever act.

1603
01:53:52,580 --> 01:54:00,580
A lot of his books are like, I mean, they have the Democu D'Arbor, you know, the most horrifying...

1604
01:54:00,580 --> 01:54:02,580
The demonetization machine.

1605
01:54:02,580 --> 01:54:04,580
The most horrifying moment in Warhammer.

1606
01:54:04,580 --> 01:54:09,580
They put you in a lady who's already alive and go like, time to be born again, oh no.

1607
01:54:09,580 --> 01:54:10,580
Yeah.

1608
01:54:10,580 --> 01:54:13,580
But now you're a space marine and you might not have skin.

1609
01:54:13,580 --> 01:54:16,580
Yeah, we're going to need lots of stitches to keep you in there.

1610
01:54:16,580 --> 01:54:18,580
Oh no, please stop.

1611
01:54:18,580 --> 01:54:23,580
We'll have to cover that tactfully somehow on the Yor-Yor Ventress episode.

1612
01:54:23,580 --> 01:54:26,580
I think we tag 10 million subscribers by not talking about it.

1613
01:54:26,580 --> 01:54:27,580
True.

1614
01:54:27,580 --> 01:54:29,580
We technically ignore it.

1615
01:54:29,580 --> 01:54:34,580
But Yor-Yor is quite... he's so interesting as well because it kind of...

1616
01:54:34,580 --> 01:54:45,580
He rebels slightly against the Codex Astartes, but in a very different way, like he actually gets him exiled from the chapter and he has to earn back his honor.

1617
01:54:45,580 --> 01:54:52,580
And he's a very... I always find him to be the most compelling ultramarine character because he's just so human.

1618
01:54:52,580 --> 01:54:59,580
I think at one point, I might be wrong here, but I think he actually cries at a certain point for seeing how certain other...

1619
01:54:59,580 --> 01:55:08,580
I think it was like a mutant, like some mutants he finds. It's in the Demonculaba book and he cries for like even they hold to the Emperor.

1620
01:55:08,580 --> 01:55:13,580
And it's like a terrible demon world. And he actually shows a level of humanity, which is...

1621
01:55:13,580 --> 01:55:21,580
I think it's... again, that kind of could make someone into a big fan of the ultramarines, generally, just because the ultramarines are...

1622
01:55:21,580 --> 01:55:31,580
Space marines are so far above being human, but the ultramarines, they're still a sense of humanity within them. They're not necessarily just weapons.

1623
01:55:31,580 --> 01:55:39,580
I like that a lot about them because they are diplomats, they are politicians, they are so much more than just what is expected.

1624
01:55:39,580 --> 01:55:47,580
A lot of them... you could say, I think you guys might agree, a lot of these space marine chapters are just like, yep, go in there and destroy that thing.

1625
01:55:47,580 --> 01:55:51,580
They're expected to be like, you know, the big warrior tradition, essentially.

1626
01:55:51,580 --> 01:55:52,580
Your Rex face.

1627
01:55:52,580 --> 01:55:53,580
Yeah. But then the ultramarines are...

1628
01:55:53,580 --> 01:55:56,580
Marines for level would like to know your location.

1629
01:55:56,580 --> 01:55:58,580
So they can shell it.

1630
01:55:58,580 --> 01:56:07,580
Yikes. But the ultramarines are... they're more than that. They are... they're all, like I said, they don't specialise in just one thing. They're an all-around...

1631
01:56:07,580 --> 01:56:14,580
Well, their tradition breeds it into them to like, you have to also work with civilians and be statesmen and such, so it makes sense.

1632
01:56:14,580 --> 01:56:17,580
That's what makes them so cool, to be honest.

1633
01:56:17,580 --> 01:56:25,580
The ultramarines actually are... they even spend what little off time a space marine has just going around Macrog and integrating themselves into it.

1634
01:56:25,580 --> 01:56:31,580
They are fairly human as far as chapters go. They don't just ignore the rest of humanity.

1635
01:56:31,580 --> 01:56:39,580
They can... if you're walking around Macrog, you may damn well find an ultramarine walking into a shop and buying some ancient Greek-style fruit.

1636
01:56:39,580 --> 01:56:44,580
In a gigantic BLT. Like, crikey, I know you guys. Geez, that's a whole loaf.

1637
01:56:44,580 --> 01:56:46,580
Watch the doorframe.

1638
01:56:46,580 --> 01:56:57,580
Before we move on to any other bits, I was wondering if I might be able to cram in a couple of Horus Heresy ultramarines, which I think are quite cool if we have time.

1639
01:56:57,580 --> 01:57:02,580
By all means. That was close to the end of it. So yeah, go nuts.

1640
01:57:02,580 --> 01:57:09,580
So I've only got three I want to mention. The first one I'll mention is kind of brief. A guy called Tylos Rubio.

1641
01:57:09,580 --> 01:57:14,580
He was a librarian during the very beginning of the Horus Heresy.

1642
01:57:14,580 --> 01:57:19,580
This was after the Council of Nikea, where psychos were not allowed to be psychos anymore.

1643
01:57:19,580 --> 01:57:26,580
And Nathaniel Garrow, the knight errant from the Death Guard, had to assemble a team Avenger-style.

1644
01:57:26,580 --> 01:57:36,580
And Malkador as the Nick Fury in this situation. There's an image. He sent Nathaniel Garrow to this battle that the ultramarines were going through.

1645
01:57:36,580 --> 01:57:44,580
He spoke to Tylos and he's like, right, apparently you're pretty good psycher in it. And he's like, yep, but not allowed. Sorry.

1646
01:57:44,580 --> 01:57:50,580
And then he's like, you better you better hop on your bike. Go away. I'm going to hear. Got to die with my brothers here.

1647
01:57:50,580 --> 01:57:54,580
And Garrow went, no, no, I'm going to stay with you. If you're going to die, I'm going to die with you.

1648
01:57:54,580 --> 01:57:58,580
And then he unleashed his powers to save his brethren.

1649
01:57:58,580 --> 01:58:05,580
And for that, he was shunned by his men instantly because they said, hey, you're not really an ultramarine anymore.

1650
01:58:05,580 --> 01:58:11,580
You defied the emperor. You should be punished. And Garrow said, hey, and with me, you can become a knight errant.

1651
01:58:11,580 --> 01:58:17,580
You have to swear off being an ultramarine. But you get some cool armor. You get to be my second in command sort of.

1652
01:58:17,580 --> 01:58:20,580
And we're going to we're going to make a team. And so he does that.

1653
01:58:20,580 --> 01:58:26,580
He fights throughout the whole Horus heresy and he becomes one of the founding supreme grandmasters of the Grey Knights chapter.

1654
01:58:26,580 --> 01:58:37,580
So it's a fun little tidbit. Another cool character, Remus Ventanus, known as the savior of Kalf, was the fourth captain of the ultramarines.

1655
01:58:37,580 --> 01:58:44,580
Not sure which company, but one of them. And he was instrumental in saving Kalf from being overrun by the word bearers.

1656
01:58:44,580 --> 01:58:49,580
And it kind of became an irradiated hellhole anyway, but he did his best.

1657
01:58:49,580 --> 01:59:00,580
Fun fact about him, Uriel Ventress went to visit his gravestone when there was a battle ensuing with I think you mentioned earlier, how with Honsu and.

1658
01:59:00,580 --> 01:59:09,580
Remus came back as a legion of the dead and helped fight back the iron warriors with Ventress is like a and Ventress.

1659
01:59:09,580 --> 01:59:13,580
I think at the time was quite young, but I'm not sure.

1660
01:59:13,580 --> 01:59:19,580
My mind is either saying he was actually an ultramarine at the time or he was a child. I'm not sure which one is in my memory.

1661
01:59:19,580 --> 01:59:30,580
He might have been an ultramarine. He's also, Uriel Ventress is also descended from another ultramarine hero as well, which is quite funny.

1662
01:59:30,580 --> 01:59:38,580
There's like a tradition of like, I don't know if it's like, obviously, how the hell does he, he must have been an uncle, you know, like a great uncle or something.

1663
01:59:38,580 --> 01:59:45,580
Because there's no way I'll just be, you know, their kids. So you know, the Habsburg family tree happening in the ultramarines.

1664
01:59:45,580 --> 01:59:50,580
You mean the Habsburg circle, the Habsburg family Christmas wreath.

1665
01:59:50,580 --> 01:59:58,580
Ultramarines can have like children before they become ultramarines, like in the Horus Heresy, especially there were a lot of them who were like, I'm already an adult.

1666
01:59:58,580 --> 02:00:02,580
I'll be turned into an Astartes anyway, and they already had kids and the space wolves have that as well.

1667
02:00:02,580 --> 02:00:08,580
Like, I can't remember his name, the guy with the massive hammer who's like in charge of the Wolf Guard. I think he had like family.

1668
02:00:08,580 --> 02:00:13,580
Remember just read. Yeah, I feel like Ajax. Yeah, because he was massive. He was like, I can take it.

1669
02:00:13,580 --> 02:00:16,580
And he was already really strong. And I think he had a family beforehand.

1670
02:00:16,580 --> 02:00:21,580
But either way, it was it was a nice thing with Uriel and Remus because they were both captain of the fourth company.

1671
02:00:21,580 --> 02:00:28,580
And it was like, he came back and like on fire with his ultramarine sigil on his black armor, like I am a legion of the damned.

1672
02:00:28,580 --> 02:00:39,580
I will help you because I'm a good guy. And the last one I want to mention is Aeonid Theil, who was a sergeant of the ultramarines during Calphe.

1673
02:00:39,580 --> 02:00:49,580
He was sent to the McCrags honor to face Censure because he had been writing theoreticals on how to fight space marines before you were allowed to do that.

1674
02:00:49,580 --> 02:00:54,580
So he's going to be punished and possibly executed for heresy.

1675
02:00:54,580 --> 02:01:00,580
They painted his helmet red as a mark of censure. Then Calphe happened. He was on the bridge. He was not on the bridge.

1676
02:01:00,580 --> 02:01:06,580
He was near the bridge of the the McCrags honor. And he was before the actual battle erupted.

1677
02:01:06,580 --> 02:01:10,580
He was in Rebuti's chambers waiting to be punished.

1678
02:01:10,580 --> 02:01:15,580
And he saw his private armory and he just started like taking weapons off the wall and like around.

1679
02:01:15,580 --> 02:01:19,580
He was like, I'm going to possibly get screwed anyway. I might as well play around.

1680
02:01:19,580 --> 02:01:27,580
And then I currently just finished doing a video on him. He goes, oh, what's that battle outside? Oh, that's a demon.

1681
02:01:27,580 --> 02:01:30,580
Ang, that doesn't work very well. Stab. That works pretty well.

1682
02:01:30,580 --> 02:01:36,580
So it's like etching things on his armor like like notes because he does they like puts notes on his armor for like future study.

1683
02:01:36,580 --> 02:01:42,580
And he like assorts a band of like crew surfs, ultramarines, a few abhumans.

1684
02:01:42,580 --> 02:01:46,580
And he goes, take a weapon off the wall. Take one of his fine. He doesn't need him right now.

1685
02:01:46,580 --> 02:01:49,580
Take one of Gilman's like personal weapons. We're going to go like fight to the bridge.

1686
02:01:49,580 --> 02:01:52,580
He's in the space right now. He doesn't need it.

1687
02:01:52,580 --> 02:02:03,580
He doesn't need it right now. And like he goes to the bridge where Marius Gage, who's like the chapter, the first chapter master and indeed the first chapter master of the ultramarines chapter, is like going to be killed by demon.

1688
02:02:03,580 --> 02:02:07,580
Then feel comes in, kills all the demons like, right, guys.

1689
02:02:07,580 --> 02:02:11,580
And it's like, what's going on? And Mary's like, who put you in charge?

1690
02:02:11,580 --> 02:02:21,580
He's like, I did, because everything's gone tits up. And he was there when Robute got his neck cut by Fulgrim and he saved him and took him.

1691
02:02:21,580 --> 02:02:24,580
He teleported him back to the ship they were using and escaped.

1692
02:02:24,580 --> 02:02:28,580
So Gil is kind of a smaller character in some ways.

1693
02:02:28,580 --> 02:02:32,580
But by the end of his story, he becomes captain of, I think, the second company.

1694
02:02:32,580 --> 02:02:38,580
And we never see him after Robute gets put in a stasis coffin.

1695
02:02:38,580 --> 02:02:47,580
He's just a nice little kind of fun, considering how stringent the ultramarines are with rules and everything, he's a nice little, he's unconventional.

1696
02:02:47,580 --> 02:02:51,580
And because of his service, that's why ultramarine sergeants wear red helmets.

1697
02:02:51,580 --> 02:02:53,580
I was about to say, yeah.

1698
02:02:53,580 --> 02:02:56,580
Well, you brought it up, he's the guy, he's the reason they're red.

1699
02:02:56,580 --> 02:02:57,580
He's the guy.

1700
02:02:57,580 --> 02:03:04,580
Also, fun fact about coloration, the yellow, the golden trim, only the second company.

1701
02:03:04,580 --> 02:03:08,580
The rest of the ultramarine companies have completely different colors.

1702
02:03:08,580 --> 02:03:14,580
That being said, you will never find someone who does not have their ultramarines army painted blue and gold.

1703
02:03:14,580 --> 02:03:16,580
Apart from Uriel Ventress who has green.

1704
02:03:16,580 --> 02:03:18,580
Yeah, you'll have...

1705
02:03:18,580 --> 02:03:24,580
If anyone who has like a Uriel Ventress mini or something like that, whether it be homebrewed or...

1706
02:03:24,580 --> 02:03:26,580
I don't think there's an official one.

1707
02:03:26,580 --> 02:03:30,580
Oh, there's an official one. He crossed the Rubicon Primaris.

1708
02:03:30,580 --> 02:03:33,580
And he's had six books now officially.

1709
02:03:33,580 --> 02:03:36,580
He has a whole video with him of showing off the model.

1710
02:03:36,580 --> 02:03:40,580
He's like, I am Uriel Ventress. And it's got a cool animated thing.

1711
02:03:40,580 --> 02:03:42,580
And then it's like, look at his model, it's quite cool.

1712
02:03:42,580 --> 02:03:45,580
So pardon me. So you'll have the blue and gold.

1713
02:03:45,580 --> 02:03:49,580
And then if you're running Uriel Ventress, you'll have one guy with green trim.

1714
02:03:49,580 --> 02:03:51,580
Oh, this is the nitpick here.

1715
02:03:51,580 --> 02:03:55,580
He also has square shoes, like square boots.

1716
02:03:55,580 --> 02:03:57,580
No other model has...

1717
02:03:57,580 --> 02:04:00,580
All the space marines have rounded feet.

1718
02:04:00,580 --> 02:04:03,580
It is a square and it's... I don't know why that is.

1719
02:04:03,580 --> 02:04:05,580
Thanks for pointing that out.

1720
02:04:05,580 --> 02:04:07,580
Why is he the only one spacing me out?

1721
02:04:07,580 --> 02:04:09,580
Now I can't unsee it.

1722
02:04:09,580 --> 02:04:11,580
I don't know. It's so bizarre.

1723
02:04:11,580 --> 02:04:13,580
But it's cool. But it is bizarre.

1724
02:04:13,580 --> 02:04:16,580
It's cool, but yeah, now I can't unsee that.

1725
02:04:16,580 --> 02:04:18,580
It is Uriel Ventress.

1726
02:04:18,580 --> 02:04:20,580
Uriel Ventress.

1727
02:04:20,580 --> 02:04:22,580
Anyway...

1728
02:04:22,580 --> 02:04:24,580
Square foot looking ass.

1729
02:04:24,580 --> 02:04:26,580
Before we...

1730
02:04:26,580 --> 02:04:30,580
Before we wrap up, there is one thing I would like to posit.

1731
02:04:30,580 --> 02:04:35,580
Matt Ward, you know, very obviously shows his favoritism.

1732
02:04:35,580 --> 02:04:37,580
And all that about the ultramarines.

1733
02:04:37,580 --> 02:04:41,580
I think Warhammer would be a better setting

1734
02:04:41,580 --> 02:04:48,580
if more people and the authors showed favoritism towards their favorite army like Matt Ward did.

1735
02:04:48,580 --> 02:04:52,580
Oh, Ironhands, White Scars, Salamanders, bruh.

1736
02:04:52,580 --> 02:04:54,580
We are dying over here.

1737
02:04:54,580 --> 02:05:00,580
We go from a book reading about the ultramarines fighting 10 billion tyranids with 10 men and winning

1738
02:05:00,580 --> 02:05:05,580
to a book about an Eldar craft world fighting 11 D Space Marine chapters

1739
02:05:05,580 --> 02:05:08,580
and 10 gazillion guardsmen and winning

1740
02:05:08,580 --> 02:05:14,580
to then a book about the Imperial Guard just demolishing Demon World after Demon World.

1741
02:05:14,580 --> 02:05:19,580
To the White Scars having a race with that clan who love really fast bikes.

1742
02:05:19,580 --> 02:05:24,580
The White Scars being remembered.

1743
02:05:24,580 --> 02:05:33,580
I think if everyone wrote like Matt Ward, everyone would be overpowered and no one would be overpowered.

1744
02:05:33,580 --> 02:05:39,580
But that being said, are there any questions about the ultramarines I can answer?

1745
02:05:39,580 --> 02:05:41,580
Just a statement of...

1746
02:05:41,580 --> 02:05:43,580
If you talk about Dagon...

1747
02:05:43,580 --> 02:05:46,580
I wasn't, I swear. I didn't think about it.

1748
02:05:46,580 --> 02:05:49,580
We should probably save it.

1749
02:05:49,580 --> 02:05:55,580
I was going to say, is this a statement of how if someone, again, if they're kind of new to Warhammer,

1750
02:05:55,580 --> 02:05:57,580
you'll see it on all the box art.

1751
02:05:57,580 --> 02:06:00,580
They're like, don't think of them as the white bread.

1752
02:06:00,580 --> 02:06:06,580
They actually do have a good amount of depth to them and they are pretty, I said they're pretty cool.

1753
02:06:06,580 --> 02:06:07,580
They are pretty cool.

1754
02:06:07,580 --> 02:06:09,580
And so, you know, give them a chance.

1755
02:06:09,580 --> 02:06:12,580
Do not collect them just because people don't like the ultramarines.

1756
02:06:12,580 --> 02:06:14,580
If you think they're cool, it's fine.

1757
02:06:14,580 --> 02:06:20,580
I am. And as someone who's painted a couple ultramarine space marine minis, I have to vouch for them.

1758
02:06:20,580 --> 02:06:26,580
If you just want to get into tabletop and start painting, there's worse armies to paint than them.

1759
02:06:26,580 --> 02:06:29,580
Very easy, very striking, recognizable color scheme.

1760
02:06:29,580 --> 02:06:35,580
And of course, they have a Primark on the loyal side, which automatically, at least for now,

1761
02:06:35,580 --> 02:06:39,580
in terms of tabletop and all that, puts them above the rest.

1762
02:06:39,580 --> 02:06:41,580
Definitely.

1763
02:06:41,580 --> 02:06:45,580
That being said, is there anything else to cover?

1764
02:06:45,580 --> 02:06:47,580
Or I think that's our ultramarines.

1765
02:06:47,580 --> 02:06:49,580
That was, I believe, our ultramarines overview.

1766
02:06:49,580 --> 02:06:56,580
Like I said at the beginning, this was not nearly everything because they're the poster boys of the poster boy faction.

1767
02:06:56,580 --> 02:06:58,580
There is a lot of ultramarines.

1768
02:06:58,580 --> 02:07:04,580
There are books about Cato Secarius and, you know, Calgar, them fighting the, not Tyrians, the Necrons.

1769
02:07:04,580 --> 02:07:07,580
There's books about them fighting, you know, the Democulaba, Chaos.

1770
02:07:07,580 --> 02:07:09,580
There's all the Horus Heresy books.

1771
02:07:09,580 --> 02:07:13,580
Ben Ventress alone has like seven books or something crazy.

1772
02:07:13,580 --> 02:07:15,580
Six or seven now, it's insane.

1773
02:07:15,580 --> 02:07:17,580
There is a lot of ultramarine.

1774
02:07:17,580 --> 02:07:21,580
Like certain characters might have more books than them.

1775
02:07:21,580 --> 02:07:26,580
I think Caiaphas Cain has more Gaunt, Gatric and Felix.

1776
02:07:26,580 --> 02:07:29,580
There's more books than individual ultramarines characters.

1777
02:07:29,580 --> 02:07:32,580
But the chapter as a whole, there is a lot.

1778
02:07:32,580 --> 02:07:43,580
So there is, if you are interested, if you enjoyed and you thought that, hey, these ultramarines seem like cool people actually, you are not starved for content at all.

1779
02:07:43,580 --> 02:07:45,580
There is a lot about them.

1780
02:07:45,580 --> 02:07:47,580
The models are good too as well.

1781
02:07:47,580 --> 02:07:50,580
I have to say the models are pretty good.

1782
02:07:50,580 --> 02:07:58,580
That being said, next time we will be covering the second edition of our Primarchs.

1783
02:07:58,580 --> 02:08:02,580
So this will be Primarchs 11 to 20.

1784
02:08:02,580 --> 02:08:04,580
So a lot more traitors, I would say.

1785
02:08:04,580 --> 02:08:06,580
That'll be fun.

1786
02:08:06,580 --> 02:08:10,580
And indeed covering Gilliman himself.

1787
02:08:10,580 --> 02:08:12,580
More ultramarines.

1788
02:08:12,580 --> 02:08:14,580
More ultramarines.

1789
02:08:14,580 --> 02:08:16,580
More.

1790
02:08:16,580 --> 02:08:18,580
More.

1791
02:08:18,580 --> 02:08:19,580
That being said.

1792
02:08:19,580 --> 02:08:20,580
So we're not eating the anchovies.

1793
02:08:20,580 --> 02:08:22,580
More.

1794
02:08:22,580 --> 02:08:24,580
I was thinking of Adam Driver in the new Star Wars wait.

1795
02:08:24,580 --> 02:08:26,580
More.

1796
02:08:26,580 --> 02:08:29,580
I was thinking of Julian Luke.

1797
02:08:29,580 --> 02:08:30,580
Phantom Luke.

1798
02:08:30,580 --> 02:08:33,580
That being said though, thank you so much for listening.

1799
02:08:33,580 --> 02:08:35,580
Please like and subscribe.

1800
02:08:35,580 --> 02:08:36,580
It really helps us out.

1801
02:08:36,580 --> 02:08:42,580
It helps us make more of these and make terrible jokes about the Mongol dogs of the Empire.

1802
02:08:42,580 --> 02:08:44,580
Where are we editing at?

1803
02:08:44,580 --> 02:08:45,580
It's going to have to put...

1804
02:08:45,580 --> 02:08:46,580
It's me, it's me.

1805
02:08:46,580 --> 02:08:49,580
I'm going to have to edit so many Degoth-ers into this video.

1806
02:08:49,580 --> 02:08:54,580
And endure so many jabs at the lack of films you've seen.

1807
02:08:54,580 --> 02:08:56,580
Poor Colin has to listen to this again.

1808
02:08:56,580 --> 02:08:59,580
As I said, yeah, so please like and subscribe.

1809
02:08:59,580 --> 02:09:01,580
It really helps us out.

1810
02:09:01,580 --> 02:09:08,580
And we'll see you all next time when we do the second half of the Primarchs.

1811
02:09:08,580 --> 02:09:11,580
You know, the chatty daddies.

1812
02:09:11,580 --> 02:09:12,580
Put it there.

1813
02:09:12,580 --> 02:09:14,580
Oh, I know.

1814
02:09:14,580 --> 02:09:16,580
And that being said, thank you so much for listening.

1815
02:09:16,580 --> 02:09:18,580
And we'll see you all next time.

1816
02:09:18,580 --> 02:09:20,580
Take care everyone, guys.

1817
02:09:20,580 --> 02:09:22,580
Rod Dogg, your local Eldar.

1818
02:09:22,580 --> 02:09:24,580
Yeah.

1819
02:09:52,580 --> 02:09:54,580
Bye.