Here's a note from my previous employer. Here's the last 10 years of my utility bills.
He's like, all right, on you get. Here's my anime preferences. I swear I watched Sword Art Online.
I swear. I don't know what that show is about.
Bro, how? How can you not know by now? I swear. I know it's just, but I've never seen it.
It's the template. Everything else copies it. You must, you basically see it through.
It copies that awful show. You have seen it. You just seen it through.
That show is garbage. I've never seen it. It is true, but you've seen it.
No, I haven't. Andy, please continue. Hello and welcome to Lore Crimes. Today,
we are covering the bestest, bluest boys, the Ultramarines, brought to us by the great Andy
and Colin. But first, we have a reading of our Question of the Week. Take it away.
Okay. Thank you very much, Eli. So this week, because it is an Ultramarine themed episode,
we would like to ask you all to comment below the video. What is your Ultramarine theoretical
and practical? So to give you an example, Lore Crimes is a very serious discussion platform
talking about lore, practical. First thing we ever said on the channel was necrussie.
So and we stand behind it. 100%.
Another one, if you'd like to use theoretical, I've never seen the Godfather practical. I think it
insists upon itself. You've never seen anything, bro. We argued about this.
Yeah, one out of three Lord of the Rings films. Mr. Hasn't Seen Sword Art Online Watches anime
perpetually. So thank you so much as well for answering the Question of the Week,
the previous week. And we've chosen three of our, I'll say I've chosen three of my favorites,
and I'm gonna read out to you my victims. So this is a definitely, I think you'll enjoy this quite
a lot. So the first one was from Tristan Wood, and he's put hashtag hot take. Pertarabo really
upset me. Sorry.
Control yourself, Hal.
We read the first question and he's already incapacitated.
Thanks, everyone. We can't continue to keep reporting because I'm so giggling.
Goddamn. Pertarabo really upset me when he said it's iron warring time. And iron warred all over
the entire time.
Oh my god.
Iron without and within.
I love the iron cage. Ironed all over the door.
Ironed all over the setting. Sorry. Big rest, big rest. Okay, number two is by Rick.
Oh my god.
You get through the name this time.
I'm so sorry. The guy's name is Rick Pregnanz. I don't know why that made me actually lose it.
I'm not holding it together at all. Okay, hashtag hot take. Fulgrim was and in brackets still is
the worst Primark even before he picked up the layer blade. Oh man, Eli. He's called you out.
How are you gonna say that when Pertarabo and Magnus exist?
So the name has tripped me up. Rick Pregnanz.
Oh yes. So sorry, Eli. And the last one, we're bringing it back down boys, by Liam O'Rourke.
He put hashtag hot take. Fulgrim's Primark ability is to be the biggest simp in the universe.
He simped after the Emperor and now he simps after Slaneche.
I don't know. I don't know if the Lord of the Emperors simped to be fair.
People were just going at it, man.
Why do people like Fulgrim? He's a good Primark.
Maybe he iron warred over the entire thing.
Oh man, so sorry for that. But thank you so much for your answers. I enjoyed them too much there.
I got too emotional. And I'll hand over to Andy to take it away in our beginner section.
Take it away, Andy.
Thanks very much, Hal. So today we are talking about the poster boys of the franchise,
the most popular of all the Space Marine factions, at least in the eyes of Games Workshop.
I'm not sure exactly if that's true for the average consumer, for the models, but the
Ultramarines, the 13th Legion, they were during the times of both the Great Crusade and the
Horus Heresy. And pretty much after the Horus Heresy, the most numerically superior Legion,
and as a result had the most successor chapters. There's a lot of them. You could call them the
Boy Scout Legion and chapter. They're very to the point. They get things done. They're all
we're good and honorable and give lollipops to children, not in the Salamanders way, but
you know, they're pretty consistently doing the most heroic stuff in the modding setting.
But to start off, they consist of the Ultramarines are basically conscripted from the 500 worlds of
Ultramar. So Ultramarines come from the single biggest faction home world area, shall we say.
So we know that, for example, Rogal Dawn of the Imperial Fists had an empire before the
emperor found him. Rabutei Gilman's was bigger, so he had more planets and he could get more
people involved. Now, Rabutei Gilman is the Primarch of the Ultramarines, very stoic and
honorable and a nice chap. And his children follow in his footsteps. Like their Primarch,
brilliant tacticians. They're very good at adapting to any failures they incur. They're
very regimented and disciplined, much unlike the World Eaters. They're basically the complete
opposite. They're very formal battle lines. They know exactly how they're going to go into battle.
They're going to do it to the letter. And if they mess up, they're going to take account of that.
As a result of their Primarch's influence, they're also not just great warriors, but also good
administrators and statesmen. As a result, the Ultramarines home world and its surrounding
planets are actually some of the most nice places to live in the Imperium. They're very loyal to the
emperor. They've never faltered once during their service to the Imperium. They have a lot of
incredible deeds under their belt from all the way since the Unification Wars up to
Ere Indomatis. They're pretty much, at least during the Great Crusade, the only Legion that
had more plaudits than the Ultramarines was the Sons of Horus. And that was only because
that was before their inevitable downfall and betrayal of the Imperium. They didn't fight as
much as some of the other Legions technically during the Horus heresy because Horus as the
Warmaster specifically tried to keep them out of the engagement because there's so many of them.
He's like, if the Ultramarines bring their might to bear, we're done. We're not going to win this
war because there's too many and they're too good at what they do. Even if they are basically a
jack of all trades and master of not many. Following the Horus heresy, like I said a little
bit earlier, when they were broken down from the size of a Legion, all the Legions of the Adeptus
Astartes had successor chapters and because the Ultramarines, there were so many, they have
tons of successor chapters. You know, Nova Marines, I think it's the Spears of the Emperor,
the Genesis chapter, blah blah blah. They've got like 50 chapter successors or something crazy.
There's loads of them. Yeah, it was 50% of all chapters, at least officially, are descended from
Gilman's gene seed. Jesus Christ. There's a lot of Smurfs in the galaxy.
Descended from the big blue balls themselves.
Oh Lord. And as a result, their influence is pretty much the most widespread throughout all the
Space Marine chapters because they're the gold standard. Even before Horus heresy, they were,
like I said a little bit, they were among the two main Legions that everyone was going,
they're the cool ones that we need to follow the example of. Not the Dark Angels, because you know,
even though they were first, no one liked them.
Hot take there. Like that little pause about,
oh, wait for all the hate in the comments. Should have had a more outgoing Primarch.
Yeah, not the friendliest of Primarchs. And that's the thing, you know, they're actually very
friendly as a Legion in regards to, you know, they treat civilians well. They're not like the
Salamanders who like treat them well, then set them on fire occasionally. It's like, no, no,
they're pretty, pretty good at like public relations. They're not like the Dark Angels,
they're pretty, pretty good at like public relations. They've got a great HR department.
This is a certified elder child moment.
Oof. They only like him after an extensive background check though.
Yeah, yeah.
They don't like anyone. I think it was like the Lion,
I read it in the Lion's Primarch, but the reason that they, anyone,
like literally every single human on his ship, he knows. And it's like, oh, that's pretty,
pretty mental. And the Lion's like, have you done your enhanced DBS check before you get on the
invincible reason? They're like, yeah, here it is in Triplica and laminated. And here's a note from
my previous employer. Here's the last 10 years of my utility bills. And he's like, all right, on you
get. Here's my anime preferences. I swear I watched Sword Art Online. I swear.
I don't know what that show is about.
Bro, how? How could you not know by now? I know it's just, but I've never seen it.
It's the template. Everything else copies it. You must, you basically see it through
You have seen it. You just sent it.
That show is garbage. I've never seen it.
It is true, but you've seen it.
No, I haven't.
I haven't.
Andy, please continue.
Um, yeah, sorry, sorry about that.
I'm not sure what's going on. I'm just going to keep going.
Uh, so I'm nearly done. It's nearly time for Colin to take it out.
We're overstimulated, ignored.
Um, yeah. Yeah. Mainly how? Um, true.
So basically to cut a long story short, uh, in the current setting with the return of the only
Loyalist Primark to still be active in the set of setting, Rebutae Gilliman, the Ultramarines are
once again put at the forefront and are the most favored of all the chapters. And that's why they're
the poster boys. They've got the most, they've got the, got the biggest draw because they're the
ones who are the most active at the moment. Um, they're the spear tip of the Imperium's war effort
and, you know, they've got some of the coolest tools, you know, not only have they got a Primark,
they're one of the only chapters who has a Gloria on a class flagship, the McCrags honor,
which is basically one of only, uh, like the black Templars have one, uh, the Imperial Fists
have a bigger ship, but that's the only one I can think of. Like they've got the biggest ship.
They've got the biggest, baddest, you know, war leader who's now in charge of pretty much everything
and they get the best guns, the best armor, the best tools to get the job done. They get the most
books, they get the most models, Ultramarines, they're, everyone loves to hate how popular they
are. Um, and with that very scatterbrained yet, I think succinct intro, uh, I suppose it's time to
pass the reins over to Colin who will have a much more measured way of explaining things.
Uh, of course.
Measured.
I, uh, I do, uh, do want to ask, does anyone have any questions before we go to the expert section?
Preferably questions that are not about my preference in anime or TV shows.
Oh, damn.
We just shoot that. Let me just get that one down before we go on.
Would you say, um, that, uh, Gilliman is kind of like Nerevar and Horace is kind of like, uh,
Dagoth Ur and he's, and Horace needs to drive out the mongrel dogs of the empire and honor the
sick house of the tribes that are unmoored. I'm just putting this in there now because someone
needs to understand that reference.
So someone's been listening to a lot of Dagoth Ur AI generated.
I have sent you, I have sent you five, I think consecutively, and I just can't get it out of my
head. It's very appropriate for the, for the mongrel dogs of the empire we're about to learn about.
All right. Let's not insult the Marines. The Ultshers.
True, true. They are, they are, they are cool. They are cool.
I have no questions other than that statement.
Wonderful. Eli?
Uh, not yet.
All right. Well, then let's get into it. I would, uh, I would like to say before we start,
this is, uh, there is a lot of, there is a lot of ultramarine lore. They are likely said
they're the poster boys of the franchise. Like space Marines are already the face of
Warhammer 40 K and the ultramarines are the face of the space Marines. So there's a
lot of ultramarines lore. And if we were to cover every single thing in it, we would be here for
two weeks. So this is a more of an overview of the ultramarines as a whole rather than specifically
Gilliman or any of the characters within it. I will talk about that more, bring some of the
very important ones up, but just as a, just as a heads up, this will be kind of beginner to expert
on the ultramarines as it were, not on a ultramarine. So we might in the future be doing
a specific ultramarine character if they're important enough in the future. Indeed. Uh,
so with that out of the, out of the way, allow me to tell you about the greatest of them all,
the ultramarines. So they were the 13th Legion of space Marines, as Andy said, and of course,
the great Rebute Gilliman is their Primark. If you ever have time, just look up a list of all
of Gilliman's nicknames. They are very funny. Oh, they are half as many as Nagash, there's still a
lot. Yeah. Or was it the power of Nagash? There's no, there's no version of that. There is no,
Gilliman or 40k, which is a shame because that quote is amazing. The power of taxes. That's
what Gilliman's is. Yeah. Robo girlie man is still my favorite. It's a good old classic,
but it's still my favorite. Robot guilty spark is my favorite. Uh, but drowning the episode out
and Gilliman's nicknames in the comments below. If you're listening, any Gilliman nicknames,
the funnier, the better. Indeed. Please do. Uh, as for the ultramarines though, they are,
at least I would wager maybe the closest thing in 40k that we have to a modern military in terms of
they don't strictly prioritize suicidally charging into a gun line for the glory of,
you know, corn or the emperor or whatever. They're all about strategic planning, tactical planning,
as well as the minimalization of casualties and material losses. So maybe the Raven guard kind of
do that more, but they're more like, uh, the SAS or like the Marines kind of sneaky stuff. Yeah.
And the ultramarines are better at just like, oh, if, if shit hits the fan, we're going to go in
and we're going to be better. Probably at the actual fighting up close and personal. Yeah. Like
the, uh, I say, if I had to put it, the ultramarines are more of equivalent to, you know, like the,
the army or the Marines as it were. And the Raven guard are like the, like Addie said, the SAS,
the Navy SEALs. The Raven guard are a hundred percent. Is that one done a playthrough of Skyrim
when you get the ebony mail? So you're just, you're in heavy play, but you're all stealth.
That's what the Raven guard are. That's, that's about right.
Additionally to that little bit of how they fight, which we'll develop on later, they're very
reminiscent of the ancient Romans and the ancient Greeks, that Greco-Roman culture.
Uh, Macrog is essentially ancient Rome and Greece and outer space and the units such as their honor
guard show that they have no small amount of Roman influence amongst themselves.
What's the name of the part where Gilliamon was entombed? Is it the something of Hera?
The, um, you don't, you don't want talking about it. It's like the little, like the marbled area.
It literally is the most Greco-Roman thing you can ever think of.
Fortress of Hera.
Fortress of Hera. Yeah. I wonder where they got that from.
Essentially.
Hera, where'd that name come from?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Out of a bag entirely.
They are no copyright.
Very Greco-Roman. Uh, highly organized and efficient in battle. They make it a point
to plan for as many outcomes as they possibly can before it begins because that ensures they
have a plan for everything and they don't need to think on their feet. It's just, this has happened.
I'm going to do this in response and everything will go well. And fair enough, when this works
for them, they're pretty much unstoppable because since they plan so obsessively, they,
it's almost like foresight in a way, not through magic, just through them thinking so hard about
what could happen. The flip side of that is much like the Romans. If an unforeseen variable occurs
or their plans go awry or someone just knows enough about their tactics and what they're going to do,
they can outfoot and outsmart the ultramarines pretty easily. I had Tetuberg Forest for the Romans
where one of those Germans, I believe, trained to be a Roman soldier, so he knew just how to fight
them and the Tyranids and the Tau for the ultramarines. I will cover some of that later,
but while the, if things are going well for them, they're going very well for the Marines,
but if you wrong foot them, you're going to hit them smurfs very hard.
That being said, this only happens once because after the initial victory, they're going to look
at what happened and they're going to ensure that it does not happen again because now that they
know that X scenario is something that can happen, they're going to put it into their plans,
into their rule books, and they're going to make sure that you can't do it twice. And they might
even use it. It reminds me of the time, again, Corvus, Corax, Primarch of the Raven Guard had
a kind of simulated battle with Rebutae and he won, but then after that, he never won again
because it was like, Gediman was so good at going, oh, I see what you did. Try now.
Hmm. Yeah.
And his sons are exactly the same.
Like, I believe it was like someone was like, Corax said, I could win a battle, sure, but I can
never win the war after like the first three times or something like that. It's like they,
you can't wrong foot them more than once. So let's begin their history. So they ultramarines,
they ultramarines, geez, the ultramarines began, as all the legions do, in the gene
leads of the emperor to form his armies. Initially, they were informally known as the
war born as most of the recruits came from people that were nearly wiped out by the emperor.
The recruits came from people that were nearly wiped out by the emperor's armies before they
joined the Imperium, which I thought was neat. And it also kind of explains why they're not
called ultramarines because they didn't find ultramar yet.
I didn't actually know that. That's quite cool.
Yeah, neither did I.
It's actually very similar to the word bearers in Dristo. Like both of those legions were
comprised of, we beat you, now you join us. And it's an interesting parallel.
The Romans did that too, didn't they as well?
Yeah, the Romans were very happy for whoever was left after the fact for them to join them,
which wasn't many people. The Romans were certainly good at that. To get back to the
ultramarines, the gene seed of them as well, all space marines have gene seed that they come from,
very stable. There was no problems in terms of mutations with it to the point that as we
brought up earlier, that's why about 50% of all chapters in the modern Imperium come from
the ultramarines. They're just that well put together at the core level. It does, however,
for some reason, make the recipient, they become, I couldn't think of no better way to
put it, the way I wrote it down. They're big fans of cohesion and hierarchy. They become attracted
to those concepts in a way. The chain of command becomes something almost sacred to them, for
example. Like disciplines in the DNA, kind of. Yeah, that's the perfect way to put it. Discipline
is the DNA. Furthering that little Roman influence, all about the ranked formations and whatnot,
and it ensures they're even better at following whatever plan they come up with to the letter.
I prefer to think of it as it turns them into power bottoms, but maybe that's just me.
Oh man. That's the kind of statement coming from someone who hasn't seen the Godfather.
Yes, it's happening. What did I say? It insists upon itself.
Anyways. There is no evidence of them actually being deployed on Terral,
this being said. The first records instead have them fighting on the moon and a conflict known
as the Sedna Campaign at the edge of the solar system. So unlike many of the other space marine
legions that would become chapters, they weren't really doing much on Terra other than just
recruiting and becoming what they would eventually be. And over time, the Legion would, much in the
same way it was initially formed, further bolster its strength by recruiting from conquered worlds.
So as the war born went across the galaxy, bringing more worlds into the Imperial fold,
they'd conquer you, and then whoever was left, you got an invitation to join the space marine club.
Much like we're seeing the Romans. It's a very violent frat house.
They stayed at home for ages and did nothing, and then they went out and were like,
come on, chug, chug, chug, chug, chug. Now you can be an ultramarine. Well, that's how it works.
Yep. Are they still considered quite disciplined at this time? Was that generally unknown at their
temperament? It was actually, I was going to say the gene seed, they were known as disciplined.
What it would, the way it would work is it was these weird mixes, like a lot of the gene seed
qualities in other legions makes itself known pretty quickly. Like, you know, if you're a space
wolf, you might randomly turn into a furry. Good luck. I couldn't help but like make a little jab
at the space wolf. I needed to do it. All right. To be fair, if you want me to punch the other side
of the fence, if you're a thousand sun, you might turn into like living sludge from Ghostbusters.
Excuse me. Dust is my pronoun.
D-dust was later. First it was Ghostbusters slime. I hope you don't have any allergies.
Ah, got cold now. Well, these two, the flesh change is, to be fair, if you're new to Warhammer,
it's the legions, um, gene seed floor of the 13th, no, not 13th legion. Excuse me. This is the 13th
legion, 15th legion. And you would literally like balloon up inside your armor and like
like turns like a mutated mule thing. A chaos spawn. Essentially. Yeah. Oh, so it's a picture
that is disgusting. The ultramarines gene seed, uh, you know, noticeable traits, much less obvious
than that. They, uh, they'd become, they would be known for their aggression, which is why so many
of the recruits came from conquered worlds because they would show up and put you in the dirt.
But it was mixed with restraint and discipline. So this also, funnily enough, made them excellent
for partner campaigns with other legions because the ultramarines, I'm just war born, but ultramarines
is what they're going to be called soon. Very good at working with others. They're very disciplined.
They're able to follow a plan. So another legion might form the plan and the ultramarines would
execute it to the letter. Uh, usually. Can I mention something very briefly about their anatomy as
well? Of course. Um, that ties in quite well to what you just said. There's, there's an excerpt
I've got here from the, the book, legacies of betrayal from the Horus heresy. And it's about
an ultramarine that, um, he teams up with a guardsman sort of character to take out the enemy.
And there's just this bit here that says, you know, um, he's basically been wounded and he kind of,
his body shuts down briefly to recover. And it says, um, he's under mind and body making the
necessary repairs for him to function again. Ultramarines are particularly good at this
recovery. They do it efficiently, rapidly, better than any other legions is one of the reasons they
are so hard to kill. So I thought that was like a little, they literally are so disciplined. Even
their recovery process is more efficient than anyone else.
Damn, this truly is ex-po. I did not know that. This is actually new to me.
First I'm going to heal the leg and then the chest wound and then the blood supply.
Literally having a conversation. Then he's like, feel, and he's like, and he's just like shut down
for a moment because his body's gone like, okay, heart check, arms check. Okay. He needs a bolter.
Make sure his muscles are, it's like crazy. They, uh, discipline to the core. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Uh, and through all this, pardon me, they became known as a very practical legion.
They, uh, early on though, a defeat against rebels that were assisted by unknown Zenos, which
I want to say this is another case of the great crusade Horus heresy where they introduced the
coolest sounding Zenos race ever. And then just, they just get wiped out. Uh, they would be, uh,
come known as the Assyrian or Osirian cybrids. And they said they show up in these like hourglass
clockwork ships that, uh, and they're incredibly psychic. And there's not much about it, but it
was a very cool read when I was going through it. And these rebels combined with the Zenos
do defeat the ultramarines. And for a little bit, they, uh, they go on a bit of a darker path. They
become filled with shame and almost bloodthirsty. And they refuse any and all glories until they're
reunited with their Primarch because they figured that that's how we're going to unshame ourselves.
We're going to find Gilliman. Uh, so daddy, I did a shame. Uh, they need, uh, so if you, it's
basically, if you would go to offer them a handshake, go mission well done. They'd, uh,
they'd bless the Lincoln park and go, no, I don't deserve this.
What I've done.
Evanescence. Wait me up. Yeah. Yeah. Wake me up. That was, that was the ultramarines legion for,
for a few years. Uh, also, uh, speaking of Gilliman, moving on to him and the rest of the
great crusade of note is that they'd actually found him two years before this rebellion and
problem with the Zenos. Uh, but due to warp storms, they just couldn't reach him. Uh, so have,
and have you seen the movie interstellar? Oh yeah. You know, the, the bit where he's like,
yeah, there's been the Godfather, we seem interstellar.
Brother. Oh, this is the theme of the episode. Hasn't, hasn't seen two towers, hasn't seen
return of the King. I've read the books. Uh, the first one you've watched the first Harry Potter
and like it and care for it. It's the worst one. He's not seeing Harry Potter. Yeah. I've read
the books. Uh, that doesn't count. It's not the same. It's not the same. Okay. It's fine.
All right. Anyway, uh, horse hairs. He doesn't count. Anyways,
uh, Gillum and right. Couldn't find him for two years. Uh, as I was saying, like the interstellar
scene before my taste in movies was brought up again, definitely you're not buying Hogwarts
legacy. I will not be doing that. Uh, but with the interstellar comparison, I'm going to get this
out of it. Kills me. It was like the guy, when the guy was banging on the bookshelf, like at his
past self, like, no, don't leave. That was kind of the image I thought of when I saw it read, they
found Gillum in, but couldn't reach him because of the war. Stones are like, he's right there. Come
on. I was, I was just like, I'm imagining the emperor just like a cup of tea, just like put the
kettle on. Well, you can, I was like, has it, has it moved as the warp store moved? No, sir.
Okay. At least tennis it is. At least we know he's there. All right.
Uh, but as with all of the prime marks, once Gillum was reunited with the emperor,
he was given command of his Legion who then became known as the ultra Marines, which as a little
side note, that's perhaps best translated as people of ultra Mar rather than specifically.
These are the ultra Marines. These are the best Marines ever. The super bestest. It's more like
super best is special boys. Like the, this is going to sound weird to put it, but a good way
to say it instead of ultra Marines might technically be ultra Marines because the emphasis
will probably be in like, yeah, ultra marines. Yeah. Yeah. Cause they're from ultra Mar, but
that being said, no one's going to call them anything but the ultra Marines. So did they get
named after the color ultra Marine? I, the writers, I don't know. But now that you bring that up, I
saw a, I just, there was a marker laying on my kitchen table and I looked at the color and it was
ultra Marine and that was not the color of their armor. So I don't think they're named after the
color. Cause if they are, they're named after a lie. They are not ultra Marine blue.
I'm just loving the idea of like a games workshop employee creating the ultra Marines. And he's
like a little bit colorblind because that looks like ultra Marine to me. And then it's like, oh,
no, what have I done? It's like, no, that's a deep blue. That's ocean blue. Yellow.
That's green. Actual heresy, literal heresy.
But anyway, with that being said, where I just qualified as ultra Marine, doesn't mean they're
the best. They then proceeded to have the highest amount of planets among all of the Legions
brought back into the Imperial fold. I am mild. Yeah. It was like just well ahead of the other
ones. Now that being said, many others had more military victories than the ultra Marines did,
but at least as far as I'm concerned, and I will let my favoritism shine through a bit,
this is shows that the ultra Marines, they're willing to think they're willing to talk.
They in a setting called war hammer, the ultra Marines figured out if I speak to them, we can
use our war hammers on our common foe and not each other as it were. So between that,
Gilliam's logistical skills and everything else, they were the forefront of the great crusade in
many ways with Gilman leading the helm. They even got vengeance on those Osirian cybrids.
I mentioned earlier where Gilliam personally killed their leader while his battle chief
battle, Psyker fought alongside him and sacrificed himself so they could battle could be won,
which is again, one of those bits of lore where I wish the C. N. O. S. Were more developed upon
rather than being used as plot development for the ultra Marines. They have to make a,
I'm so desperate them desperate for them to make a another faction where it's just the collection
of like the minor Xenos, like the crud, the Craig, the tower covenant, like the tower supposed to be
before it became Mecha. Yeah. Oh, it'd be so cool. Cause like I said, there's so many, there's so
many of them that are like, they're better than the actual Xenos we have. There used to be units
and stuff for tabletop even like extra crude things and characters. Oh, well such as such
as the pain of being a Xenos player in a space Marines game. True. But to get back to said space
Marines, their record was not squeaky clean. They got up to some stuff every now and then.
For instance, a lot of the planets that they brought into while they did have the highest
amount of peaceful compliances weren't strictly speaking brought up in any ways, but as a tax base.
So while some places were made ideal, uh, you know, places to live with the, in the new Imperium,
the ultra Marines would always make sure that at the very least there was a planetary defense force
and taxes were able to come in other places. That was all they got. So sometimes the ultra
Marines turned into a new McCrog which is a nice Greco Roman, not quite paradise, but certainly
better than most places. Other times, for example, new Saria, uh, they might not even know Gilliman's
name, uh, such as like the state they left it. They would go, right, the taxes are coming in.
The, uh, the planet has a defense force so we can leave and it won't fall apart in five minutes.
We're done here. Now, if I could posit a bit of a theory for that, I personally think that's because
the emperor wanted the great crusade to go at a certain tempo and Gilman was not allowed time to
properly bring all of these planets up to speed. That there is a, uh, there's a theory. Sorry,
if I interject here, but there's like a slight theory about that, which is obviously we're an
obviously we're an expert section so we can, we can say, but, um, the emperor supposedly, if you
are new to Warhammer, the emperor figure, the emperor master of mankind, he can see the future
some of the primarchs can not Gilliman, unfortunately, but he could see so many
futures. That was almost too many futures to see, but him and malchador supposedly saw a future in
which they could achieve their golden era of mankind. And they basically needed to like,
get it done real. That's why the great crusade is so, it happens like over 200 years, doesn't it?
It's quite relatively quick over in terms of conquering the galaxy because they, they saw like
a future and if they took too long, if they didn't do it fast enough, essentially that golden era
would slip through the sweet spot. Like we've got to get it exactly in this margin. If we're too late,
we won't get, we'll get the bronze. We don't want bronze. We want gold, you know,
and it did slip through their hands and spoilers and to what you were saying about the compliance
is like the word of arrows got chastised cause they took too bloody long. So they'd conquer a
planet and they spend ages. And also not in the nice way that the ultra Marines like, oh, we're
going to give you like a governing body and yes taxes and stuff, but like bird bearers, have you
heard of our, of our Lord and savior, the emperor of mankind? No. Get the, get the lash, get the whip,
get the stretcher. Oh, you're going to be going to behave now.
Yeah. So, and though, like I said, that was at least partially my theory. My answer for why
Gilliman left some places and not the best state. Uh, he could have just not cared at all. Uh,
I just like Gilliman. So I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt between that and some
info. He does have more of a humanity than the others anyway. So it would make sense. He's nice.
He's a nice guy. He's, you know, as far as the Primarchs go, yeah, he's a pretty cool guy,
but we'll talk more about him in a later episode for now. We're not quite done with the ultra
Marine scandals for the two lost Primarchs. Uh, when they were dealt with, it is very likely
that most of their troops became ultra Marines after the fact. Uh, I heard about this, yeah,
not throwing the baby out with the bath water, as it were. Uh, they figured that the Primarchs are
far gone, but the Legions can still be saved. So they were mind wiped and given to the Imperial
Fist and ultra Marines. This is, uh, also a theory, but this isn't like I was saying with Gilliman,
a theory I came up with to be nice. This is one of those theories that is in the books and is soft
confirmed, not fully. I believe the exact passages they're talking about it and one of the characters
denies it, but he does make note of the ultra Marines having an increase of troops around the
same time as the Legions were gotten rid of. So with most of the missing Primarchs,
Law is like, there's just heavy hints, but I don't think they'll ever confirm it to be honest,
because they want us to be like, you know, just essentially obviously the opportunity to make your
own, uh, design your own Legions, but it's definitely a big old, you know, ha ha point
over there. Big sign. This is ultra-marines. Yeah. It's one of those things like it's not
officially confirmed, but there's a lot pointing to that the ultra Marines might be one of the
biggest Legions because they got a bit of a hand in that. I will say as well. And it would make
sense because they've got the most planets to reinforce like, Oh, if they lost them,
Oh, they'll replenish them. Whereas they gave it to another Legion then, Oh, it gave you like
60,000 Astartes. Oh, we can't, we can't replenish those numbers. No, I don't want excuses. Get it
done. You know, I do have a theory that it is the survivors of those, uh, lost Legion. So again,
it wouldn't be like, they wouldn't dump a hundred thousand Marines and be like, yeah. And then no
one mentioned by the way, that half of these people are from a different Legion. I always speculate
that it was a survivors of what Russ did, shall we say. Russ the Executioner. I liked it. I like to
think it was 1984 and it's like, these have always been your brothers. We've, we have always had
these extra a hundred thousand Marines. And they shout at a TV with a minute of hate denying.
Yeah. How dare you scum. But these, these controversies aside, the biggest, uh, uh-oh,
shall we say came from, we were talking about Lorgar earlier, funny enough, when they burned down
his capital city, Monarchia, this you can, you know, we were talking about Lorgar should have
picked up the pace earlier. Uh, perhaps this was not the right way to handle it. So what happened
was the Emperor was not a fan of Lorgar teaching everyone that he's a God. And he was also not a
fan of Lorgar taking his sweet time conquering planets across the Imperium. So Biggie went to
Gilliman and said, I need you and your Legion and we are going to take care of this problem. And
Gilliman accepted this without any hesitation. And the custodies, the Emperor of mankind,
Gilliman and the ultramarines descended on Lorgar's world of Kerr to the-
And Malkador.
Oh, and pardon me. And Malkador. I forgot there was so many super soldiers around. I
just couldn't see him beneath all of them.
Malkador.
The wizened old man.
Yeah.
The giant golden boy.
Yeah.
Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Eli.
Uh, no, I was done. I was just saying he had a cool moment in that he lives getting battered
by Lorgar and he's fine afterwards, even though he's a billion years old.
And then he runs at the same pace as Valador. That's always been in my mind.
That moment. Just imagining an old man just like booking it faster than a mortal man.
Baby, demigod.
You know that scene in the first Star Wars film. Here comes a law crime. You know that bit in
The Phantom Menace where Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are in that corridor and they just like dash.
Oh, that's magical.
And they never do it again.
You've seen The Phantom Menace, right?
It's a stand-off.
Yes, I've seen The Phantom Menace. Oh my God. I've seen Star Wars.
Oh my God.
I was a kid when those were coming out. Yes, I've been taken to a movie theater in my life.
I can't wait for the most obscure movie.
You're looking at him now. Come on.
The most obscure movie on the planet. You haven't seen the
mashed potatoes and bangers in Mashed film?
Are you the runner?
All right. I'd like to move on.
Oh my gosh, man.
Oh my Lord. Okay. Menarche.
Menarche.
So they pretty much burned down the city. To give the ultramarines a little bit of credit,
they did evacuate anyone who took them up on the offer to get them out of the burning city.
That being said, if you did not take them up on the offer, you burned with the city.
There's some more Roman influence to you. They'll offer you some mercy once, and then if you don't
accept that mercy, you are becoming one with the dirt. And they made the emperor, Forrest
Lorgar and his legion to kneel before him, Malkador, the custodians, the ultramarines,
Hulshabang. And...
When you say kneel, we don't mean like, oh, do it. I told you to. Like, he physically used psychic
powers to like crunch them down so they couldn't move.
Yeah. It was like, you are going to get on your knees and bow.
That always confused me that moment, that he forces like essentially a hundred thousand
space marines and a Primark to kneel, and then he tells them, I'm not a god.
Like, yeah, but I think his point was mainly going, why can't you be more like Gilliman?
There's a reason I brought him. Look at your brother. He's like, he's got a job.
He's got like, golden mouth. Look at him. Look at these guys.
Look at his jawline.
They're cool.
I can feel the redness of the reddish game.
What are you doing? You shaved your head. You look silly. Be more like your brother.
That's basically what it was.
That being said though, yeah, I completely agree.
That always confused me.
You forced like a 12 foot tall super soldier and his thousands of eight foot tall super soldier sons
to kneel before you at once with space magic while you're walking around with your glowing
golden halo and fiery spartan.
And almond.
Yeah. It's like, oh, I wonder what people are going to think.
But anyways, back to the ultramarines.
Gilliman privately confided with many in his legion that he was close with, his officers and whatnot.
That he doesn't regret following the emperor's orders, but he feels guilty about what he had to do.
And he worries that he pretty much permanently damaged his and Lorgar's relationship as well
as the two legions. And oh, how right he was about that.
Yeah. Because now it is time for the Horus heresy.
Because after this, the great crusade kind of continues as normal for the ultramarines.
They just bring more worlds into compliance, get the tax base going, rinse and repeat.
And then the Horus heresy happens.
And when it first happens, the legions are all spread out across the galaxy.
They're not just in a cell phone distance where they can't give them a call and go, hey,
Horus is a traitor.
So Gilliman doesn't know what's going on at first. And indeed, Horus requests that he and Lorgar
embark on a mutual campaign against some orcs.
And in Gilliman's eyes, because he doesn't know that Horus has done the traitor thing yet,
he's like, oh, this is just a simple military operation. We'll kill some orcs.
And in fact, he even thinks, wow, this is the perfect time to start getting the
relations repaired back.
Clean slate.
Yeah, it's like, hey.
Water under the bridge. We're friends. It's fine.
It's like, you know what makes Space Marines bond more than anything? Killing orcs.
So come, Lorgar.
It's like their equivalent of fishing.
Let's go kill some orcs.
At least that was, in Gilliman's mind, what was going to happen.
And instead, on the planet of Kalf, instead of some nice,
wholesome, family-friendly orc genocide, the word bearers opened fire on the ultramarines
who had no idea what was happening. And I believe it was a third of the entire ultramarines legion
was killed on the Battle of Kalf.
That's how you deal with the mongrel dogs of the Empire.
This is how you honor the sixth house and the tribes of the underworld.
Got the line in.
And I do like the, I think it's from No No Fear where that starts off, where it's just
the word bearer and ultramarine who are friends. He's like, we get on well, don't we?
And the ultramarine's like, yes, we do. I'm glad our legions are now friends again.
And he's like, well, it is a good thing we are friends because of what happened.
Yes. It would be a shame if there was a betrayal.
Yes. I'm glad we are friends.
And then it's like, stab. You made it quite obvious. Come on.
Is this that meme of the, has it always been like that? And then it's the person behind going,
always has been.
Oh, the astronaut meme.
Yeah. Is it that meme where it's like, wait, this has been a betrayal? Always has been.
You plan to kill us at Kalf? Always have been.
Damn.
To be fair, the word bearers were already pretty deep into heresy. They were corrupted
from the start. It was going to happen someday.
Yeah. If I remember correctly from my Gillibrand video, plug, plug,
I believe it was 40 years later this happened. So the word bearers had about-
They stood on it for 40 years.
Yes. They had some time to think about what the ultramarines did to them.
And Lorga had already fallen and he was like plotting, like, when can I get my revenge?
Oh, Horus. That'll do. Fine.
Horus wants to be a traitor? Perfect. Let's kill some ultramarines. I mean, the emperor.
So despite this, they did give as good as they got. The word bearers were eventually repulsed
and they, by all accounts, fought them off very valiantly, the ultramarines.
Yeah. They took out half their entire fleet.
Yeah. They let it be known that if you give the ultramarines any time to breathe,
you have lost the battle. And there's of course the, I know it's a book cover,
but that wonderful artwork of Gilliman with that helmet in space.
Yeah. I think that's no no fear.
Yeah. Punching a word bearer's brain off. That is, oh my God.
In the vacuum of space without a helmet.
Yeah. Gilliman was just done playing Doom earlier that day and he was putting what he learned into
practice. But that being said, just because the word bearers are driven off does not mean
things are going to be good for the ultramarines.
They rally around McCragg to kind of, you know, catch themselves. And then the word bearers
left after Calth as well as the world eaters, which word bearers, world eaters,
I don't know why just saying those close together seems kind of weird, but.
No, I've had the same problem. Don't worry.
Yeah. They get easily mixed up.
The were and the EAR has EAT, the E-A-T, the E-A-T, the E-A-T, the E-A-T.
It's too close. But anyways, they begin the shh.
There were E's and there were E's.
They start the Shadow Crusade across Ultramar and pretty much just do what they were doing
to keep Gilliman out of the war. Like we were saying earlier, even with Calth,
there were still too many ultramarines because if they got it.
Horus had not won them involved. Like of all the legions, everyone gets a scrap of Horus
apart from the ultramarines.
Yeah, it was like with Calth, it was like, oh good, we brought them down from four times
as many marines as we have to only three times as many marines as we have.
These odds.
It took two legions, literally took two legions to fight them.
Yeah.
And they had this amount of ruin storm to trap them and be like, you're not escaping here.
Like stay put.
You're locked in here with me.
So the ultramarines, yeah, they're stuck around Ultramar.
And then Conrad Kurr shows up on Ultramar, just why not throw more Primarchs on Gilliman?
Don't let him breathe.
And then Lorgar does a cool little magic dance and then cuts off the entirety of Ultramar
from the rest of the Imperium, the ruin storm.
And acting on the assumption that the ultramarines, a little sidetrack,
they were very big on theoreticals and practicals.
So theoretical, here's the overview of the situation.
Practical, here's how I'm going to solve it.
Gilliman said, I do not know if the Imperium is still out there and I cannot access it.
I cannot leave my empire, the Krag.
I cannot call anyone.
I cannot leave my empire.
I cannot call anyone.
I need to act on the assumption that it's just fallen and this is all that's left of my father's dream.
So they formed the Imperium Secundus with the ultramarines obviously taking charge of it.
And it's briefly like a little island of stability.
I mean, as much as it can be with Engron, Lorgar and Conrad Kurrs
running merry hell across the system.
But you know, compared to Terra at the time at least, things were going alright.
Eventually, Sanguinus and the lion show up and Gilliman realizes that Imperium's still out there.
They're still fighting and this has all been a massive waste of time solely to keep him away from Terra.
And when he learns that, in case anyone was going to call him a traitor for the Imperium Secundus,
let it be known, he canceled the whole thing immediately.
And him, his ultramarines and the Dark Angels held off the traitor fleet surrounding them in the Ruinstorm
to allow Sanguinus to get to Terra and the rest is history that we will cover at a later juncture.
As it is ultramarine time.
But the ultramarines did, once the Blood Angels made it through, gun it towards Terra.
But by that time, the siege was already over.
Yeah, one of the reasons that the Emperor and Horus had to have a fight to finish the war,
because the Emperor was like, alright, this siege is getting a bit protracted.
And Horus was going, the ultramarines are coming, they're coming, oh, we've got to finish this.
Because if they get here, we're screwed.
So they were both like, we need to finish this now.
Yeah.
That's why I had to come down to a duel, because both were under a time constraint.
Yeah, the Emperor was like, I have about three minutes of food left for my army and
Horus was sitting there knowing the Dark Angels and the ultramarines are, oh, they're on their way
now, are they? That's great.
Oh my god.
Good, good. The legions that have pretty much done nothing but have time to gather their strength
are on their way. Phenomenal.
A slight side note, very briefly, is, has anyone seen the fan made, the fan made, the fan made
the fan version of the Horus heresy, but it's Giliman instead, that gets corrupted.
Oh, kind of, I think.
Kind of like the Dornean heresy. You might have heard that one.
But someone made one, a fan story about Giliman being the Horus figure.
I've heard of it, but I'm not nearly as familiar with it as I am with like the regular heresy
or the Dornean one.
It made a very cool, there's a cool piece of artwork, if you look it up, like corrupted
Giliman and it's, it's one of those ones you go, oh yeah, like Giliman being corrupted,
actually really terrifying, considering, again, how many ultramarines there were and-
I think the scariest thing is just how many taxes he's going to make, they're really unfair.
No, I was kidding.
Like, how many attacks, how many guns does your battleship have, that's an extra tithe,
how much shoe polish do you use, that's like-
Like a window tax.
A window tax, what could go wrong with the window tax?
Evil Giliman says, I hate taxes, I'm disbanding the IRS.
That's how you know he's truly far gone.
If you want to survive, eat your children.
Wow, he's really taken a turn, hasn't he?
He goes from Caesar to Caligula.
Rough.
Glad he has no sisters.
Moving on, moving on.
Anyways, post-heresy, they participated, of course, in the scouring, you know,
driving the remaining traitors after Horus was control deleted into the Eye of Terror,
and once that was over, they also decided, you know, we should probably help out our fellow
Astartes and they saved the Imperial Fists from certain destruction after Rogal Dorne
decided that the best way to make up for his dad dying was to headbutt Perderabos to death.
Stellar, stellar stuff there, Rogal Dorne.
And he iron-warriored over the entire city.
And then Perderabos iron-warriored all over Rogal Dorne at the Iron War.
It's iron-warring time.
From iron comes strength.
Like, calm down, Patty.
Oh, bruh, okay, that imagery.
Okay.
Yeah, really love that middle lore.
Oh, how...
Rogal Dorne's like, how can I keep us together as a Legion?
I know, if I kill most of my Legion, there won't be enough Imperial Fists to form new chapters with.
Then we'll stay together forever.
I thought they're gonna change that, surely.
I think because it was written by...
I hope they do.
Was it written by Matt Ward, if I'm not mistaken?
Related to Ultramarine?
Uh, I don't know.
No, not Matt Ward.
I don't think it was, although the ending might have been when the Ultramarines show up to save the Imperial Fists.
To be fair, the Imperial Fists don't have the best track record of, like, keeping themselves from getting extinct, if I'm honest.
Oh yeah, the War of the Beasts coming up.
Yeah.
But to keep this...
I do like the Fists, to keep this from just dunking on them for the rest of the episode.
After this happens, Gilman pens the Codex Astardes,
and has the Legions divide into chapters.
Now, something of note, is what I feel like is worthwhile mentioning, is that the chapters were already something within the Legions.
It was just more so like, this is like an organizational unit.
So it's kind of like, you know, in an army you'll have like a squad, a battalion, a platoon, just going up.
It's uh, chapters were essentially that for the Legions.
And now it was just, uh, take those chapters, and that's the group of spaceships.
The group of space marines, they're not part of a grand Legion, they're just their chapter now.
And naturally, the Ultramarines, given that their Primarch did this, accepted this without complaint,
and split across the galaxy into all the hundreds and hundreds of successor chapters
that now form up from the Ultramarine gene seed.
So, you know, at least Gilman didn't have to listen to any back talk from his sons
when he penned the Codex Astardes, he had that much going for him.
They already love all his previous works, they're like, sign it, please, please, I'm a big fan.
Another one, please, more books.
All right, no, the Ultramarines are the ones that don't have daddy-ish in this setting, calm down.
It's the other Legions that are fatherless.
Isn't it quite crazy, they went from like 250,000 Ultramarines to essentially a thousand.
That still blows my mind thinking, wow.
It's a very exclusive club.
Yeah, they must have a lot of equipment left over.
They do, and I feel like now is a good time to mention,
Andy, you remember that Genesis chapter you brought up earlier?
Yeah.
They are pretty much an entire chapter of spares for the Ultramarines.
So like, say the Ultramarines, they're down, like, hey, this guy died in a battle,
we need a new Librarian or a Tech Marine.
They'll just grab a Genesis chapter Librarian or Tech Marine, and he's now an Ultramarine.
You've been promoted, well done.
Yeah, it's like you are now an Ultramarine, and they even
correct any codex deviations the Genesis chapter has, so they will be nice and perfect Ultramarines.
So if you ever wondered, man, the Ultramarines sure seem to get into a lot of crap and
come out without any losses.
They do have losses, they just pilfer the Marines of another chapter.
To be fair, there's some really cool, like, some of the first founding ones, like there's,
like, the Scythes of the Emperor.
They tended to promote to chapter master a lot of people in the Horus Heresy who did,
like, a particularly good deed, like the Scythes of the Emperor was the guy who defended the
sofa device and, like, I can't remember exactly what happened with, like, the Nohther Marines,
but, like, there's another one.
I feel like it's the Raptors, but it's not the Raptors, but there's another one.
They have, like, silverish grey armour.
Doom Eagles.
Oh, yeah.
Doom Eagles, that's the one, yeah.
They have, like, a lot of interesting ones where it's like, oh, who's the chapter master?
It's like, they did a cool thing and they helped save Gilam and you're like, oh, fair
enough, yeah, cool, yeah, put your best guys on the job.
Yeah.
Do we all have a favourite Ultramarine successor chapter?
I gotta be honest.
The Scythes of the Emperor.
I think it's the Genesis chapter because it's so funny to me.
It's like their bargain brand of Ultramarines.
Discount Ultramarines.
I don't know, what's the one where...
We have Ultramarines at home, this is the Genesis chapter.
What's the one that, like, they worship the dead?
They're like green armour.
Mortifactors.
Mortifactors, yeah.
It's something like that.
It's something close to that.
I was like, the Mortifactors.
Morti-something.
Mortifactors have, like...
Mortifactors are also...
I think that's Raven Dirt.
Yeah, the Mortifactors have, like, a skull as their sigil on a black background with,
like, a green trim.
They eat people.
Yeah, and they eat people.
They're quite funny.
And they keep the ashes of the dead, don't they?
And they spread it.
Yeah, there's a weird amount of superstition in the Ultramarine successors.
Like the Howling Griffons.
Oh yeah.
Oh, they're cool.
Their gene fly's just hating the word bears.
That's not a flaw, that's a perk.
Just, um...
They make a map so as to be able to find the word bears.
Silver Skulls?
Are Silver Skulls Ultramarines?
Yep, Silver Skulls Ultramarines.
They've almost died so many times.
50% of all chapters in the Imperium are from the Ultramarines.
Flip a coin if you name a chapter.
Oh, Firewalls.
Firewalls.
Oh yeah, they are Ultramarines.
Have you looked at the Legion of the Damned?
I like just looking at, like, the Wiki page for Ultramarines, and the whole page, if you,
like, go, like, the whole left side of the page, or right side of the page is just chapter,
chapter, chapter, chapter, chapter, chapter, chapter, chapter, chapter.
There's, like, 60.
Geez.
Is he, were the Astral Knights Ultramarines?
Astral Claws, I mean, sorry, not Knights, the Astral Claws.
Oh, yes, when we left Huron, he became Huron Blackheart.
Sorry.
Oof, big L.
That's the whole, that's the whole reason he justified his, uh, him expanding, expanding,
I think, you know, in big letters there.
And the, uh, not quite the same thing, but, uh, Huan Su from the Iron Warriors has,
uh, Ultramarine gene seed in him, doesn't he?
Mm.
No, he, he's half, he's half-
He's half-fist.
Yeah, half Iron Warrior, half Imperial Fist, but he battles-
I think he's Ultramarine for some reason.
I think he has something.
I think he's a half-
Because he battles Uriel Ventress, doesn't he?
Yeah, so technically Ultramarine, that's the Ultramarine part there.
But no, um, because Fabius Bile made him.
That's why he's, Fabius Bile's experimenting.
It's in the, oh, it's in one of the Emperor's children books.
I think it's Angel Exterminatus, the very end.
Yeah, I'm gonna read that one soon, it's so-
And that's the, I guess that's the downside of having so many members of, like, the Ultramarines,
like, the traitors just occasionally are like, I was a good Ultramarine,
I wonder what became of my gene seed.
Oh, that guy's using it.
Ugh.
Eugh, he's a word bearer.
They must have the most stolen gene seed by far.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, it's, it's-
Oh, sorry, what's that be like?
Well, I was gonna ask you if it was the Pyrrhus, is that, is that correct?
Uh, that's, I believe that is the reason that so many chapters use their gene seed.
There's, of course, the initial boost was like, there's just so many Ultramarines after the heresy,
they're gonna make up a lot, but they're frequently chosen to have their gene seed
used for future foundings because it's so stable.
Like, the closest thing they have to a flaw is they become more organized,
and they're, like, that's, if that's your gene seed flaw, compared to, you know, the Black Rage,
I think it's pretty simple who's gonna go with who.
True.
Um, also this, that's, as you can probably tell, anyone listening, that's why I said this, uh,
beginner to expert might be more overall Ultramarines as a whole, because the moment
you start diving into specifics, they have so much going for them in terms of lore.
I mean, what we-
I, Kato Zekarius.
I, Kato, I'm getting to him, Hal, don't you worry.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
We just spent a good, what, five minutes just talking about naming successor chapters.
True, true.
Deva, there's a lot of Ultramarine to go around.
So, to get back to the main chapter, not just the bargain, bargain bin Ultramarines.
Oh, Genesis are getting really bad today.
I want it to be known.
And that badge sucks, it's rubbish.
I love them, they're awesome. It's just that, if I talked about nothing but, you know,
the badass space marine chapter, I'd be here all day, there's space marines.
I just like how people are like, is that a blood angel? Oh no, it's a Genesis.
There's one guy listening to this who has his entire army of Genesis chapter, and he's just
got, and he's like not crying yet, but his tears are, his eyes are misty. He's like,
screw you, lore crimes.
You know what, like, mortar factors are cool because they eat people. He's like, why?
Well, you know what, one Genesis guy, you keep rocking on with your-
With your- Yes, please comment below if that was you, and if you're upset.
Bargain brands.
I looked them up on the wiki just now and their only chapter, like, is just a book.
It's just a book.
What, like a Bible?
And you got like, people call the Ultramarines blueberries,
I guess you could call them raspberries because they got like that.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, what's up with blue raspberry flavouring? That's what's in my head now.
It's delicious is what it is.
It's why these chapters go so well together.
What flavour's the blue?
It's not raspberry.
I don't know.
Anyway, to lead up to what they were up to until modern times, which is always a weird thing to say,
discussing a sci-fi franchise, but the modern times of the setting, I guess.
They would over time strengthen the realm of Ultramar, and it is largely unaffected by
all the religious strife and civil wars that plague the rest of the Imperium every five minutes.
Although the realm of Ultramar that they officially control does slowly shrink down over the millennia
to only a handful of worlds as opposed to the full 500.
But that being said, the Ultramarines did go down to just one chapter, so
they hardly needed the full 500 anymore.
What they were left with is still more than enough to ensure that they were constantly kept up to
date on supplies and whatnot.
And when Gilliman nearly had his head ferris-mannessed by Fulgrim,
Fulgrim almost said two for two on that, but he was poisoned and Gilliman was put into stasis,
so the Ultramarines, with his absence, would just have to look to the Codex Astartes for guidance
on how to handle themselves.
Which, if you've ever played the Space Marine video game, you know where this is going,
it turned the Codex from, you know, it's like, hey, this is a good guidebook on organization and whatnot
for us to listen to, into this is religious doctrine, we need to follow the Codex.
Ultramarine Bible.
Exactly.
Yeah, it became the Ultramarine Bible.
In the infamous words of Leandros, the Codex Astartes does not support this action.
Yeah, so the plus side of this meant that
if there's a scenario that is in the Codex that comes up, the Ultramarines are going to face stomp,
it's not even going to be close.
The downside of that means that they go from just being vulnerable to being wrong-footed to,
if you can out-plan them in even the slightest way, you are going to absolutely crush them.
So that's kind of the way the degradation of the Ultramarines happens.
In many ways, they don't lose as much technology as others, because Macragge was such a nice little
space empire, but their organization, their fighting ability definitely decays because of the Codex
and Gilman getting his head almost taken off.
What's with their thing about double power fist?
Someone else, I always thought it must be the most useless thing in the entire setting is that just
a big fist.
What are you talking about?
One is a cowdog, big double.
He can't hold anything.
He doesn't need to hold anything.
He just punches everything.
Can I refer back to the cover of No No Fear with Gilman literally punching the heads off Wordman?
It's pretty cool.
It's for when they get outsmarted.
Now it's time for Marneus Cowdart.
I don't need Sattelty.
Let's be honest, Colton, your pro...
That almost came out as a very bad sentence.
Yeah?
Your pro double fist until it comes to an Avatar of Cain.
Oh, we'll get to that.
Bring up not such heresy.
Did we mention that Gilman became a phareous?
I'm not humoring that.
Eli, you want to explain that theory?
Gilman went to the Alpha Legion and allegedly killed someone who we thought was Omegon,
but everyone else died and then Gilman came back basically and everything was fine.
So Gilman's apharius.
Don't worry about it.
How I should...
No, no, no.
Omegon's a short ass.
You would have noticed.
Hang on.
He's the same height as the normal Astartes.
That doesn't make sense.
Gilman just lost three feet in height.
What happened?
Just wearing stilts in his shoes.
I choose to believe that Gilman once again made the traitors his bitch.
But anyways, to move on.
I think about the Alpha Legion, I get annoyed.
But fair.
That is a theory that happened.
Anyways, a little bit of an opinion for me again.
Macroch itself sort of becomes a Constantinople to Terra's Rome and that it is a much nicer
place to live and arguably a better source of practical power because Terra,
after the Horus heresy, becomes a bit of a trash fire as it were.
It's like a stacked upon stacked world of...
Yeah.
A pilgrim world, isn't it?
Yeah, it's a pilgrim world and the pilgrimage queues are so long that most people die in the line.
Yikes.
Yeah.
Awesome.
I didn't know that.
You also can't see the sun from a certain level because it's so much smoke.
Yeah, because it's a hive world and there's so much stuff.
But you know, Terra does still, similar to Rome, has a very large amount of religious
and symbolic status.
But Macrog, at least I would argue, has more practical worth as a governing body.
But again, this is a little bit of Colin throwing out equal parts theory in ultramarines propaganda
and favoritism.
So take that with a grain of salt.
And with that being said, ever since the Horus heresy, the ultramarines have pretty much spent
time just fighting every single enemy the Imperium has to offer and usually winning.
They fought the Tau, who at one point wrong-footed them pretty hard, like I mentioned earlier.
When the Tau memorized the Codex of Stardes in its entirety, don't know how they managed
that because that is a very big book.
But they did and used it to fight the ultramarines off and it went pretty well for the Tau.
But then the ultramarines just fortified their borders and then the Tau couldn't really get
past it.
They've, Marnius Calgar certainly did fight in Avatar of Cain.
That's a sad, you're conflicted on that.
That is most definitely a thing that happened.
I don't need to be conflicted.
That is simply Wardian propaganda to make the ultramarines look good, as we all know.
Everything is canon, not everything is true.
So that is just ultramarine propaganda that Marnius Calgar 1v1'd in Avatar of Cain in 1.
For someone who's new, does anyone want to explain why the Mat Ward jokes are?
If, is anyone else dying to get to this?
Otherwise I can...
I think Eli gets a killer hatred to be honest.
I can sense it.
I don't hate my ward.
I did when I was a little kid because I was like, oh, these ultramarine guys get all the
cool stuff.
Why can't my guys be cool like them?
Mat Ward writes some good stuff, but he also writes anything with an ultramarine on the
cover.
It's like they have so much plot armor, they get to do the cooler stuff and it unbalances
the kind of, the whole like, what's the power level of like a space marine and then they
do stuff that Primarchs don't even need to do.
You go hang on a minute, he's just like a dude.
He's a superhuman dude, but he shouldn't be able to do this.
That's mental.
Like Lorgar struggling to kill an Avatar of Cain in the Horus Heresy and Marnius Calgar
a marine.
1v1-ing it.
1v1-ing it, yeah.
Doesn't the librarian of the ultramarines also fend off the entire Tyrian Hive fleet?
Oh no, he makes contact with the Hive mind.
Yeah, that's the one.
Doesn't go insane.
Yeah, so I will say this about Matt Ward.
When he's writing dialogue and such and plot stuff that isn't necessary about the ultramarines,
he's actually a fairly good writer.
I don't know if you guys know, but he wrote the dialogue for Vermintide, at least a lot
of them.
Oh yeah, I remember you saying that.
Honestly, that game I would say has some of the best dialogue out of any cooperative game.
It redeems him.
I believe he also wrote Battlefleet Gothic, at least some of the plot.
And of course he is responsible for bringing Trazin the Infinite to the world, which,
gotta love Trazin.
And the demon Gelava if I'm not mistaken.
No, that's Gray McNeil, remember?
Gray McNeil.
Don't mind me then, I've just fused the anger that people have for Matt Ward onto the most
disgusting thing in the set.
It is an ultramarine story, to be fair.
Oh, that's why I think.
But yeah, for the general controversy, he's not the worst writer, but when he has a favorite,
by God, are you going to know that they are Matt Ward's favorite chapter?
A bit Mary Sue.
Yeah, I know he's the male equivalent.
You're the Grey Knights as well.
Gary Stu.
Gary Stu, but Gary Stu.
Gotta say, yeah, he's also...
And as a White Scar fan, it makes me offended, because all my favorite characters die.
He also helmed, yeah, the Grey Knights.
Some questionable lore there.
Enough said.
Yeah.
Away from the pain.
Matt Ward is responsible for quite a bit of the ultramarine's lore being as controversial,
shall we say.
But to get into the lore itself, you know, talk about it.
The most perhaps noteworthy battle the ultramarines have faced was against the Tyranids.
Now, during the first Tyranic War, when they were new to the Imperium, to the Galaxy,
naturally people didn't really know how to fight them.
And because when you don't know what you're doing, or when the ultramarines don't know how to react to the situation,
because it's not in the Codex, they're in trouble.
And it was even worse with the Tyranids, because, well, yeah, you might know,
the Tyranids have synapse creatures that connect the individual forms to hive mind.
No one really knew that at first.
It was just, here is an endless swarm of beasts.
There's no supply chains to disrupt.
There's no chain of command.
There's just a bunch of them trying to kill us.
And though they did eventually manage to repulse Highfleet Behemoth, or Behemoth, or however you say it,
the first major Highfleet invasion, the entire first company, which is the best of the best of the chapter,
was wiped to a man, and the rest of the company suffered pretty serious losses as well.
And Marnius Kalgar himself, their chapter master, was almost slain.
True to form, though, to the ultramarines, this would result in the formation of the Tyranic war veterans,
who were ultramarines specialized in fighting the Tyranids.
So, like I said, ultramarines got wrong-footed, it stung pretty bad,
but now they're ready to go, and they know how to handle the Tyranids.
Like, did you call for an exterminator?
They're the galaxy's best pest control.
And sure enough, come the battle against the next Highfleet Leviathan,
the ultramarines were more prepared, and their losses were not as bad.
That being said, the battle was still costly, and who was almost wiped out were the size of the Emperor,
and, of course, the Lamenters, because of course the Lamenters were almost wiped out.
Catch a break, brother!
I was reading the page of the wiki, and I was like, oh good, the Lamenters are mentioned, I wonder what's happening.
Oh, right, they're almost being wiped out, what a surprise.
Has Marnius Kalgar lost all his limbs yet?
Uh, no.
To the next one?
Oh, that was, oh sorry, I should have mentioned a bit more.
That was Behamoth, I believe, when he was eaten.
He won V1 to Swarmlord?
Yeah, he won V1 to Swarmlord and found out, oh, that's not a good idea.
I'm just thinking of the Black Knight from Monty Python, where he's just losing a Lamenter.
I was like, I'm invincible!
They were loony.
That was a TTS joke, wasn't it?
Yeah, yeah, it was.
We'll call it a draw.
There's an interesting part as well that they had to def- I don't know if this is a spoiler, if you're going to go into it,
but they had to defy the Codex of Stardes to beat the Tyranids.
Indeed, the Tyranids.
Which was insane for these people, considering, yeah.
Go ahead, sorry?
Yeah, the Tyranic war veterans are not in the Codex because 10,000 years ago, when Gilamon wrote it,
the Tyranids weren't a thing, which should go to show you just how far they were pushed to the brink,
that the people who worship it as basically their Bible, like you said, Andy, went,
maybe we should make some changes, make some additions.
Still waiting for the resurrected Primarch Rebuti-Gilamon to draft the Codex Attracti so they can learn how to talk to girls.
Oh, you never learned it.
I don't know how to talk to girls.
Okay, now he's got a girlfriend, it's fine.
Featuring an excerpt from Yvrain.
God.
We haven't totally explained that yet.
Just let them know about your personality and interests, Yvrain.
We'll get to it.
She's no fan of the Mongol dogs of the Empire.
This is not how you honor the sick house and the tribes beyond Mourn.
I've got another video to show you later of Dagoth Ur-Hal, but it can't tell.
Too many.
Naturally, this is the part where you remember, oh right,
Colin has his preferences, doesn't he, for his favorite faction.
Because during the fight against Hive Fleet Leviathan,
it is of note that the Ultramarines only faced half of Leviathan.
The other half squarely aimed at Krafrold Ienden,
who stabbed it so hard that the Hive might itself felt it.
So, yeah.
Eat that, Tigrarius.
Mr. Librarian who can talk to the Hive mind.
You didn't hurt it.
Eldar he would.
Ariel did. Another common Eldar W.
No one called me out on that.
No one bring up all of the elves.
It only took all of the Krafrold.
No, it only took four-fifths of the Krafrold.
And some from all the other Krafrolds.
Oh, poor Ienden.
But, you know, fair is fair.
Ultramarines held off half of it.
The Eldar held off the other half.
It was a joint effort, which is a theme that will come up in the Ultramarines.
We were talking about Matt Ward earlier.
Cato Sicarius also fought a Katan Shard by himself and won.
And Marnius Kalgar wielded a Necron Pylon like a weapon.
Which, for reference, imagine someone picking up a fire station and beating someone to death with it.
Getting Metal Gear Rising scenes where he just picks up Metal Gear by hand and just goes flump.
Now see, if they portrayed it like that, I would have looked at it a little bit more favorably.
Which Katan Shard did Cato fight?
Was it an Avatar of Cain?
No, I think it was the Nightbringer?
Isn't that Uriel Ventress?
Uriel Ventress fights a Katan Shard as well.
I think he might fight one as well.
They were all getting a piece of Katan Shard.
I think people have to, if you're watching, comment below if we've law-crimbed that.
It's like the idea of the Ultramarines are back at base and are like,
I beat up Katan Shards for breakfast, it's not a big deal.
Blood Angels, you haven't beaten a Katan Shard yet.
Ugh, keep up.
The Eldar and their orcs at their heights could barely handle the Katan.
Thankfully the Ultramarines are the greatest of them all.
Thank God I, Cato Socarus, it's here to stop your Katan Shard.
Pull over, Cairne.
Matt Ward, everyone!
But to get to modern times now, because that little segment of the Ultramarines
beating everything they come across is essentially their history
for the next 10,000 years from the Horus Heresies to modern times.
And speaking of which, we now get to modern times.
And who else returns but their Primarch?
Belisarius Kaal fashioned him a very nice piece of armor.
Yvrain kissed his boo-boos with space elf magic.
I was wondering what you were going to say.
Belisarius gave him the drip and then Yvrain kissed him.
Okay.
It was just like Sleeping Beauty, true love's kiss.
And Giliman is back.
First thing he does is beat several hundred Chaos Marines to death barehanded.
Might not have been hundred, but hundreds sound like a cool number to me.
He punched a lot of people to death when Yvrain woke up.
Oh, that scene though, when he basically gets the armor of fate stuck on him.
He's in a little chamber and they're fighting in the fortress of Hera around him.
The Ultramarines and Kalgar are basically being swarmed by Chaos Marines.
And then immediately it opens.
It goes ding! Like a little toaster.
And then it opens.
And it's like Giliman's face, isn't it?
His face is like pure hate.
And all of them just stop.
I always loved that part. It was so funny when I first read it.
It makes me think of Sauron in the first Lord of the Rings where he's just looming over the soldiers
and the big mace in his hand and he just goes, right, baf!
And they just go flying.
It's so good though.
I'm imagining the Rogue One scene with Darth Vader.
It's like the door opens and it's just a pry mark.
And they're like Chaos Space Marines shouting at the door like, let us out!
Imagine you're 10,000 years old.
You've been through the horrors of the scene and you're like, oh, we've got this and that. Oh, come on.
And then the only remaining loyalist pry mark, son of God, walks through the door.
You're like, nope, I'm out. Let me out. Let me out. Let me out.
Funny enough, he's holding the flaming sword of the emperor.
And they're all just staring at him.
And it's really funny, you can hear the background battle, but everyone's like,
imagine it's like you catch your kids fighting and you walk in and they're all just staring.
And then one berserker just yells, he runs at Gilman and he just claps him in half
and then he puts a helm on and he's just like, doff, doff, doff, and just runs into them.
Basically annihilates everyone. It's so good.
It's a gathering storm. Gathering storm.
Noah, I know that's this is ultramarines, not just Gilman, but that's too cool a scene to not talk about.
Oh, the ultramarines were holding it down as well.
They were, to give them credit. It wasn't that the ultramarines like, oh, they're getting pushed back.
They need their pry mark.
It was these are overwhelming amounts of chaos marines showing up
because they got an inkling of what was going on with Gilman in there and they did not want that succeeding.
Was it specifically a particular war band or who were the chaos marines?
I believe they were black legion. Black legion.
Ah, fair enough. Black legionnaires.
They went from a victory at Cadia to, oh, no, we don't want him waking up.
That's got a little bit too big of an impact. Oh, we blew up Cadia. We can do anything. Never mind.
Literally the, you're stuck in here with me.
Yeah. Who's waking up?
And with that, the ultramarines have been given new life with Gilman returning.
He's begun revising the codex a bit because he looked at what happened to the Imperium.
Cried a lot on the inside, probably. He's not a fan of what's turned into the Imperium.
And went to work fixing it, which included revising his codex
so his sons would learn to have just a little bit of originality in them again.
And MacCrog and the ultramarines as a whole have more or less become independent.
They're not in the sense of, we have succeeded. We are no longer part of the Imperium.
But Gilman and the ultramarines directly oversee it with Marneus Kalgar, if I remember correctly.
He is the one in charge of overseeing it himself.
I think the plan's turned into a kind of, it's like a bastion realm where they want to draw chaos to fight on their turf.
So they've turned into kind of a fortified area.
And for the historical inspiration, it is more and more becoming the Eastern Roman Empire
to the decaying Imperium, Western Roman Empire.
With MacCrog getting its own little renaissance and everything else is falling apart.
I bet the Dark Angels are furious.
We wanted somewhat independence for ages and they get it.
My house is made of rocks now and it's flies. Oh, it's terrible.
They should have had their sleeping dad wake up first.
Where's my dad?
If only they knew to just go into the basement.
It's kind of cool for the ultramarines as well because they're the only chapter where
throughout the 10,000 years the Imperium was rotting, they could actually see,
because their Primarch was in stasis in the fortress of Hera, they could actually see a Primarch.
Because obviously most of the Imperium was like, it was a myth, wasn't it?
Oh yeah, the Primarchs were beings of myth, but every ultramarine literally saw Gilliman
as they were like training.
I guess to an extent the Blood Angels could watch their dad sarcophagus and be like,
I'm sad, I'm still sad.
It's better than what the Iron Hands got.
Is Sanguin buried on Baal?
I'm pretty sure he was because he got killed and then Rogal Dorn took him to Holy Tower.
Then the Blood Angels put him in a golden casket and took him to Baal, didn't they?
I'll go ahead and say that was a big worry with the devastation of Baal because they didn't want
the Tyranids getting Primarch DNA because that would have been bad.
Yikes.
Tyranid with long flowing luscious hair, like oh no, what have you done?
But yeah, that was a really good point you brought up for a while.
You were the only ones who were like, we know they existed for certain, we know what they were kind of like,
because we're looking at one of them, he's in a glass case like Lennon over there.
Just thinking of that Simpsons sketch now.
I can't believe whatever we're talking about.
That's amazing.
There was some friction when Gilman came back a bit between him and Kalgar,
because it was actually kind of funny, because in Kalgar's mind, these are 10,000 year old sacred relics
of his Primarch, and Gilman, from his perspective, it's been like five minutes since he last used them,
because he was put in a coma, it wasn't like he was conscious those 10,000 years, so he just shows them,
why are you venerating my old trash? This is a pencil, this is not a sacred object, Kalgar.
That just reminds me of Red Dwarf, where Lister has a grocery list in his back pocket or something,
and then the cats of the ship evolve, and they leave to find the promised land, and they use his list as coordinates,
and it's so stupid.
I was like, what is this?
And some other stuff that was happening, of course, the Primaris Marines, the ultra-ultra Marines, as it were.
Gilman and Kahl's blasphemous hordes, if you're not a fan of the Primaris Marines,
Gilman sent them across the galaxy, oftentimes delivering them directly.
I know Gilman directly delivered them to the Dark Angels, in fact, the Dark Angels briefly thought that the jig was up with the whole fallen thing.
You're being replaced.
I think they debated opening fire on them, and it was only Asriel that was like, no, no, no, if this is our time, it's time to suck it up.
Oh, he's the one who actually had to hold his nerve, because he was the one who thought that Gilman had come to annihilate them,
and he was like, I'm just going to let them on board, and then he just faced each other on a whim.
Asriel clenched very tight.
Just face the music now, and then it turns out Gilman's just here with presents.
Gilman must know, surely.
Uh, would he?
There's not much that escapes Gilman.
He had some doubts with Cipher going to Terra, as we'll cover that a bit more extensively in his own video,
but Gilman does speak with the Emperor when he wakes up, and did promise Cipher, a fallen Dark Angel, the chance to speak to him as well,
and then he looked at the sword on Cipher's back and was like, no, no, you don't get to speak to Dad, no way in hell.
Wait, is that the lions? I've seen that before.
It's like, wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Yeah, so I don't know if he specifically knows about the whole fallen kerfuffle.
I would not be surprised if he's aware that there's some less than savory Dark Angels out there, though.
I've thought about it, but I'm still unsure.
I'm sure we'll get to see soon if the lion comes back soon.
Yeah, we'll see soon, won't we?
Yeah, I imagine that's gotta be going somewhere.
And some other stuff they've been up to.
The Plague Wars, where Merturian and the Death Guard decided they wanted a bite of Ultramar.
They were repulsed, but it did end up as a bit of a Pyrrhic victory as the Death Guard got it some permanent real space presence.
Although it was only three planets, if I'm reading correctly.
So it's not like all of Ultramar is falling apart, but three planets is three more planets more of Nergal infestation than you want in your empire.
So still not great, but could have been a lot worse.
I think the thing is as well that I was thinking about this early in the week, because Gilliman fights Mortarion.
Gilliman's fought every trade of Primarch, I think, other than Perderabo and Horus.
And he's not going to get a chance with Horus, so I thought that was interesting.
He must have fought the most.
That's true, yeah.
I didn't realise that.
Gilliman has gotten around.
He's always on OK in the fights. He's not the best.
He's always outmatched, unfortunately.
That's the problem with being the administrative Primarch when it's time for a fist fight.
He won't win the battle, but he'll win the war.
Yeah, in a 1v1 he's not winning, but there's a reason Horus was afraid of the Ultramarines and not Gilliman specifically.
Well, the Ultramarines are the first to cross the Rubicon Primaris too.
They were.
I think so.
The Marnius Kalgar, the first one to go through the procedure as an existing firstborn space marine and become a Primaris marine.
So, of course, there was already the millions of Primaris that were created, but Kalgar was the first one to become a Primaris from a firstborn.
I think him and three others took it with him, but they all died, and he was the only one who made it.
He's the only one who was sad.
He's the only named character with a mini who did it.
True.
That's kind of cool though as well.
We obviously know the reason why he was the first one to cross.
Yeah.
A miniature line.
It's a setting.
It's not a linear story necessarily, but that's still kind of cool.
The people doing the operation were like, we need someone pretty tough to endure this.
And they saw his massive gauntlet, so I think he'll be fine.
If he can hold those things, he can handle this.
I can't describe it in the book, Darkness in the Blood, because they do it to Mephiston, and they describe how the operation works.
So, this might be a bit too graphic, but they literally cut you open, peel you back, shall we say.
They feed in tubes over your chest.
It's really funny.
It's not funny, but it's funny.
They have to peel off Mephiston's face, and then they have to make his face bigger, and then they put the face back on, which always confused me.
I wouldn't want to do this surgery on Mephiston.
He'd probably stare at you while you did it.
He was dead when it happened.
He was 100% dead.
But he still had his eyes open just to be creepy and be like...
His soul was in the warp when it was happening, and they had to massage his heart while it was happening.
They almost didn't make it, because apparently the Rubicon Primaris doesn't work as well on legions with a unique gene seed.
Obviously, Ultramarine's gene seed is stable, so they don't need to try with theirs.
So all of them.
Yeah, so the Ultramarine's had a much more successful time of crossing the Rubicon Primaris.
I think it says that, what was implied.
Basically, Dark Angels and Ultramarines are the only ones who aren't going to have the worst time with it.
And White Scars.
Yeah, I just like the idea of the three of them just like...
Oh, it's having a tough time there, Space Wolf.
Ah, it's a shame, it's a shame.
Just having a cigarette in the back.
I heard you had trouble crossing your Rubicon Primaris.
No.
Like your Belisarian furnace doesn't kick in for four hours.
What's the heart thing called?
It's the Belisarius.
It's a really cool name.
It's the Belisarian furnace.
Belisarian furnace?
Furnace, it's inferno or something.
Maybe it's like infernus to make it sound more fancy.
The really cool part.
But yeah.
I always got the name of it.
There's something else, but I didn't...
Well, think of it at some point, but that's a really cool part.
I wasn't prepared to discuss Primaris Anatomy, so I don't know the name of it off the top of my head.
Well, essentially this makes, for people who are new, this is the...
I've just checked, it's the Belisarian furnace.
Oh, so cool.
There's a few as well.
There's the Belisarian furnace, the Magnificat, and the sinew coils.
Oh yeah, that's the bit where they were shoving metal over the muscle.
It was pretty crazy.
But yeah, sorry.
Ultramarines.
Oh, more Ultramarines.
And one more important thing of note is the time that the Ultramarines collaborated with the Eldar to get a whole bunch of Imperial officials killed.
I'd like to talk about that.
Oh, oh what?
This was during the Vigilis campaign, which was one of those big narrative events after Cadia that GW was doing,
where pretty much every faction showed up to throw down.
So Vigilis is one of the two places where you can safely cross the Great Rift, which for those of you who don't know,
is the massive warp storm that tears the galaxy in half and makes it pretty much untransversable.
What's the other one?
I don't remember the name of the other one.
I know there's two.
Vigilis is one of them, and this was the one that was the focus of the campaign.
So the Eldar show up, trying to stop some chaos threats from growing out of control.
The problem is the Dark Eldar had showed up before them,
and did to the Imperial Guard what the Dark Eldar are known to do.
Murder and kidnap and just be the worst in general.
Turn them into furniture.
Yeah, turn them into...
So when the Eldar, the Craft War Eldar show, would be like,
chaos, we've got to stop this,
many of the officials and some of the generals in charge went,
oh, more Eldar. You're going to pay for what you did.
And when the Eldar tried to explain, no, that wasn't us, that was a different Eldar, that the...
Imagine them going, same team, same team, same team, same team!
The Imperials responded with lasgun fire and such.
Stupid mongrel dogs of the Empire.
Exactly. Stupid mongrel dogs of the Empire.
It's not how you honor the sick house and the tribes of the Unmourned.
I need more of that. More.
And so what ends up happening is, those Eldar retreat, they're from Craftworld Saimhan,
they're like, alright, screw this, you don't get help anymore.
But they do begin speaking with Marnius Kalgar,
and form a bit of a truce,
and part of the terms of the truce is Saimhan, the Craftworld Eldar, they're like,
we still have unfinished business with those people who opened fire on us before we were going to help you,
and Marnius was like, alright, well, they're Imperial officials, so they're probably corrupt and worthless anyway,
let's go solve this.
So I believe what happened was, Marnius Kalgar and other Ultramarine officers said,
there will be a meeting inside of this building,
please meet us inside of the room, we will be there shortly,
and then all of the officials piled into the building,
the Ultramarines locked the door behind them,
and then it was revealed that the building was filled with angry magical space elves.
Oof.
That's kinda cool though. That's really cool.
And then there was no more blood debt,
feel free to imagine however you think that played out in your own head.
Maybe they all had tea and crumpets and made up with each other.
And then yelled for no reason.
But that is largely what the Ultramarines are up to in modern times.
For a bit about their organization, they're of course adherent to the Codex,
with ten companies each creating a total of a thousand marines roughly.
A little bit of Codex deviation, both with the Tyranic War veterans
and the poor old Genesis chapter who exists solely to give the Ultramarines men whenever they need it.
But largely adherent to the Codex.
And not taking the piss like the Black Templar, so it's like, oh yeah, Codex.
That's cute, that's cute.
And the others are like, ah, that's very cute. Wink, wink.
Yeah, stupid wolves.
But yeah, and unlike many other chapters, material losses are very swiftly replaced.
Ultramar is quite the big realm for a single chapter, even as over time it kind of shrank a bit.
And it pretty much ensured that the Ultramarines suffered the least amount of technological regression
out of all legions except the Dark Angels.
The Dark Angels still had a lot of fancy toys that we'll talk about later.
But the Ultramarines definitely weren't doing too bad in that front either.
And they also have a bit of a modest fleet.
It's not the biggest in the Imperium.
The Wiki even makes a point of going, listen, it's not the biggest.
Giliman, not the biggest fan of fleet battles.
He wants to fight on the ground, boots on the ground.
I know before we started the podcast today, we were talking about Michael Caine.
He's just there going, it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it.
That's not how I thought Michael Caine would be referencing Warhammer.
Wow.
I mean, it's applicable. It makes sense.
That's true.
To how they view fleet combat.
They do have one of the biggest ships in the fleet in the whole Imperium, at least.
I was going to say, the MacRogs Honor, one of the few remaining Gloriana-class battleships in the Imperium left.
Did Caine Blackheart not steal that one?
He owned a different Ultramarines ship.
I doubt he would steal that one because I think Giliman's on it.
That's a steal of Giliman too.
There was a whole thing, actually, where they tried to go kill Giliman.
This is newer lore, I think, in the newer, here on Blackheart.
That's when he tried to get back to Terra, I think.
I know he briefly got kidnapped by Kyros Fateweaver.
I don't know why him, but I guess all the Chaos Gods had to make an appearance.
But as for the fleet of it, they have that one.
And when Giliman turned, they buffed their fleet up a little bit.
Not a lot, but they just pulled two more Gloriana-class battleships from somewhere and just added it to the fleet.
I don't know about this. They just found them. Oh, these will do.
I couldn't find a source of where they came from, but it just said, yeah, two more Gloriana-class battleships, part of the Ultramarines fleet.
It must be part of the Indomitus Crusade.
For someone who's new, that's the ongoing storyline of Warhammer.
The Indomitus Crusade book. Dawn of Fire, isn't it?
Which is mostly held by the Ultramarines, to be fair.
The Ultramarines doing their best to stave off the collapse of the Imperium and give everyone the business.
Fair is fair. They've been doing a pretty good job at it so far.
But yeah, also, if you're wondering what a Gloriana-class battlecruiser is, imagine that really big Star Destroyer from episode 5 that crashes into the Death Star.
Now imagine that the Ultramarines just found two more. They just found them lying in a bin somewhere.
Well, the thing is, they were supposed to be made for each of the Primarchs, so did they get them from a store room of the Lost Primarchs?
Or did they just nick Conrad Kerz as one and go, we're repainting this?
I like to imagine that they showed up to the Blood Angels Fortress Monastery and were like, I don't see a Primarch here, I think we'll be taking this out.
This belongs to Giliman now, buddy.
But wherever they got them, their fleet, you know, it got an upgrade.
As for a couple important people, Giliman, he's their dad, he's the foundation of the Legion.
Papa Smurf.
Papa Smurf indeed. I think he'd be Grandpa Smurf, wouldn't he? Marneus Kalgar is Papa Smurf.
Yeah.
Whoever was leading the Legion before, Giliman could be.
Smurf politics.
Yeah.
Did Marneus Kalgar even come to be?
He is, I believe, he's been running the Ultramarines for, I believe it was roughly a thousand years.
It's 800, or maybe a thousand now actually.
Well, yeah, with the Andominus Crusade and the setting moving forward, I think it's closer to a thousand.
He's been around, he's been in charge for a while.
Speaking of, he's the next guy I wanted to bring up.
He's from the era of Mat Ward, he is the spiritual liege of every space marine in the galaxy.
Every chapter master looks up to him and wishes to be him.
They wish to be Ultramarines.
I have 110% unironically bought into Mat Ward propaganda.
And if you have a complaint with it, your Legion is fatherless.
I'm just imagining Dante and Bjorn just rolling their eyes so heavily like, we've been here longer than this guy.
In the background, the Ultramarines chant from Chaos Kade is blaring.
If anyone read that Marvel comic, the name Marneus Kalgar isn't actually his original name.
He took it on to honor the name.
And that same comic, he also ripped off a Lord of Skull's head and shot down its neck hole.
Just to be sure, just in case.
Just in case the decapitation didn't get the job done.
Did he fly up on, how did he get to the neck?
I think he might have flown, yeah, like a jump pack or something.
Or maybe he just jumped.
I don't know why, I just saw Marneus in my brain on a unicorn flying up.
Because the way you said, and then he flew up into the sky, what is this?
He ran on all fours.
He didn't put enough points into his mounts and total ore hammers, so he's stuck with the bag of nuts.
He's the chapter master though, even with Gellan returning, he still holds the position of chapter master.
He's of course subservient to Gilliman, but he's the one running the ultramarines day to day.
And yeah, he's a pretty smart guy.
He actually had a really good bro moment with the Lamenters.
They turned down a gift from him because they felt they weren't worthy of it.
And everyone else there was like, oh, you're snubbing our chapter master, our gift, huh?
You guys suck.
And Marneus Kalgar was like, all of you shut the hell up.
So yeah, he's actually a pretty cool dude.
He didn't go, you bow to no one.
And then it's like, oh, Colin doesn't get that reference.
I've seen that bit.
I'm going to scream.
Colin can't really lament anything because he'll probably get lost.
I'm going to mail some packages out tonight.
I like the, what Hal just said, I just imagine the blood ravens just licking their lips going, oh, that looks shiny.
They'd steal it from the Lamenters.
Poor Lamenters.
Next up, Cato Sicarius.
Yeah, I, Cato Sicarius.
Rather divisive character who depending on how you feel about the Ultramarines and Maddor.
Ultramarine with ADHD.
Yeah, he's either the end all be all badass under the sun due to fighting everything and winning because he's just so cool.
Or the biggest Mary Sue garbage character you have ever seen in your life.
It depends on how you feel about the Ultramarines and Space Marines in general.
He's a contrast to a lot of the Ultramarines because he's quite hot headed.
Just very different to the order and discipline they're kind of known for.
Which as a, to be fair to the people writing the writings about him, that's something that's been emphasized.
Oh, my pump is going off.
Whoops.
Anyways, he has been mentioned that he's, I believe he was both lost in the warp for a little bit and taken into Gilman's tutelage.
So that's kind of mellowed him out a bit.
Which to be fair, if I got lost in hell for however long, I'd probably be a bit different when I came out.
So Cato Sicarius is getting some character development.
Good for him.
Yeah, good for him.
There's Captain Titus, who if you've played the Space Marine game, you know as the biggest badass out of every Space Marine ever.
He understands that the Codex is a source of guidance, not blind worship.
Which basically Leandros was a Matt Ward stand-in that the creators of the game used to make fun of.
But Captain Titus, yeah, like I said, he's a cool guy.
He's a living blender, by the way.
Pretty much single-handedly saved the Forge world from orcs and then demons.
And fist fought a Chaos Lord in Terminator armor to death.
Was taken in by the Inquisition because Leandros is just the worst.
The Codex is stardest and does not support this action.
But at some point he was not only released back to the Ultramarines, but crossed the Rubicon Primaris.
So now he's a Primaris Marine.
Supposed to be good.
Although I look forward to it, but he's not voiced by Mark Strong anymore.
He's voiced by Rolo from Vikings.
Cool, but I'm like Mark Strong.
If it wasn't Mark Strong, that's the only person who's like, I'm okay with it.
But I'm still like Mark Strong.
Well, there's no reason to.
We'll see how he does.
I look forward to the game either way.
I just like the idea that when you undergo the Rubicon Primaris, you get like a voice change.
It's just like canon now.
And speaking of Space Marine 2, he's surely going to be adding Tyranids to his list of enemies of the Imperium.
He just blends.
Raw Dogs Imperial Guard lieutenants in his free time.
Lieutenant Mira.
Just taking her to town.
He's been reading the Codex.
Lieutenant Mirosi.
Had to get that one in.
Oh, Lord.
His canonicity is also kind of strange.
Because he's the captain of the second company.
But supposedly during the time he was captain, Kato Sakarya should have been captain.
So there's some weird date stuff kind of going on with him.
I think we can just chalk that up to Kato having an ego.
I was always in charge. I was always captain.
Kato was lost in the war.
It's the idea of him being a lieutenant under Titus.
And he was like, yeah, well actually, I was always the captain.
And I've never heard of this Titus guy before because I'm Kato Sakarya.
Sounds like a character trait he'd have.
Yeah. I think one of the solutions was it was when Kato was lost in the war, Titus was captain.
The only problem was the map they show in this first Space Marine game doesn't have the great rift on it.
There's only so much you can do. The great rift wasn't a thing in the lore when the Space Marine game was written.
It's 10 years old now, isn't it?
Yeah.
And to be fair, if you were creating the maps in the universe, you probably wouldn't make the map and then scribble the rift on top.
You'd be like, oh, that's up to you. Get your marker pen out. It's currently here.
And there's always, as the Imperium's communication and bureaucracy is perhaps, not the best in the world.
Philip, have you updated the maps? Well, I haven't had the requisition order yet. It has to be triplicated.
So, yeah, you can always just chalk it up to, well, someone's records got screwed up, which is a pretty good reasoning most of the time.
And one last character to bring up, Ilyin Nataste, a half Eldar astropath, soul bonded to the Emperor.
And after serving in an astropath, he then served with the Dark Angels for a while before becoming the head of communications for the Ultramarines.
This is still canon. The Smurfs know the Eldar are the best and know they should give them power when they can.
Coppercanned. As for him being canon, hell, that specifically is not that's from Rogue Traders, so that is old lore.
But that being said, Ilyin Nataste does actually show up again. He's now just an Eldar.
And Eldrad sent him as an advisor to Gilman during the Endometis Crusade.
That's kind of cool. Yeah, he was. And I believe he didn't really want to be there, but he's like, all right, Eldrad said to do this.
He's the smartest guy that we have. He's Eldrad. Suck it up.
The damn Monkai, the Mongol dogs of the Empire. Is this how you're one of the 6000 tribes of the Unborn?
You got to just play Morrowind, man.
You also have Yor-Yor Ventress too. A little bit on him. I could riff for days on that guy.
Could I finish up Ilyin and then if you want to talk about... Yes, of course.
New Ilyin, I guess he apparently had some pretty cool conversations with the Ultramarines and Gilman about the nature of divinity in the setting and even talked about whether or not the Emperor was a god.
Which given that Gilman's first reaction to speaking the Emperor was, if you're a god, you're not one worth worshipping.
I would love to see that conversation him and that Eldar had.
Wow. Yeah, you want to riff on Yor-Yor Ventress?
Oh, yeah. So Yor-Yor Ventress is probably my favorite Ultramarine character because if you haven't read his books or kind of new to Warhammer,
his journey is probably the most human a space marine will ever act.
A lot of his books are like, I mean, they have the Democu D'Arbor, you know, the most horrifying...
The demonetization machine.
The most horrifying moment in Warhammer.
They put you in a lady who's already alive and go like, time to be born again, oh no.
Yeah.
But now you're a space marine and you might not have skin.
Yeah, we're going to need lots of stitches to keep you in there.
Oh no, please stop.
We'll have to cover that tactfully somehow on the Yor-Yor Ventress episode.
I think we tag 10 million subscribers by not talking about it.
True.
We technically ignore it.
But Yor-Yor is quite... he's so interesting as well because it kind of...
He rebels slightly against the Codex Astartes, but in a very different way, like he actually gets him exiled from the chapter and he has to earn back his honor.
And he's a very... I always find him to be the most compelling ultramarine character because he's just so human.
I think at one point, I might be wrong here, but I think he actually cries at a certain point for seeing how certain other...
I think it was like a mutant, like some mutants he finds. It's in the Demonculaba book and he cries for like even they hold to the Emperor.
And it's like a terrible demon world. And he actually shows a level of humanity, which is...
I think it's... again, that kind of could make someone into a big fan of the ultramarines, generally, just because the ultramarines are...
Space marines are so far above being human, but the ultramarines, they're still a sense of humanity within them. They're not necessarily just weapons.
I like that a lot about them because they are diplomats, they are politicians, they are so much more than just what is expected.
A lot of them... you could say, I think you guys might agree, a lot of these space marine chapters are just like, yep, go in there and destroy that thing.
They're expected to be like, you know, the big warrior tradition, essentially.
Your Rex face.
Yeah. But then the ultramarines are...
Marines for level would like to know your location.
So they can shell it.
Yikes. But the ultramarines are... they're more than that. They are... they're all, like I said, they don't specialise in just one thing. They're an all-around...
Well, their tradition breeds it into them to like, you have to also work with civilians and be statesmen and such, so it makes sense.
That's what makes them so cool, to be honest.
The ultramarines actually are... they even spend what little off time a space marine has just going around Macrog and integrating themselves into it.
They are fairly human as far as chapters go. They don't just ignore the rest of humanity.
They can... if you're walking around Macrog, you may damn well find an ultramarine walking into a shop and buying some ancient Greek-style fruit.
In a gigantic BLT. Like, crikey, I know you guys. Geez, that's a whole loaf.
Watch the doorframe.
Before we move on to any other bits, I was wondering if I might be able to cram in a couple of Horus Heresy ultramarines, which I think are quite cool if we have time.
By all means. That was close to the end of it. So yeah, go nuts.
So I've only got three I want to mention. The first one I'll mention is kind of brief. A guy called Tylos Rubio.
He was a librarian during the very beginning of the Horus Heresy.
This was after the Council of Nikea, where psychos were not allowed to be psychos anymore.
And Nathaniel Garrow, the knight errant from the Death Guard, had to assemble a team Avenger-style.
And Malkador as the Nick Fury in this situation. There's an image. He sent Nathaniel Garrow to this battle that the ultramarines were going through.
He spoke to Tylos and he's like, right, apparently you're pretty good psycher in it. And he's like, yep, but not allowed. Sorry.
And then he's like, you better you better hop on your bike. Go away. I'm going to hear. Got to die with my brothers here.
And Garrow went, no, no, I'm going to stay with you. If you're going to die, I'm going to die with you.
And then he unleashed his powers to save his brethren.
And for that, he was shunned by his men instantly because they said, hey, you're not really an ultramarine anymore.
You defied the emperor. You should be punished. And Garrow said, hey, and with me, you can become a knight errant.
You have to swear off being an ultramarine. But you get some cool armor. You get to be my second in command sort of.
And we're going to we're going to make a team. And so he does that.
He fights throughout the whole Horus heresy and he becomes one of the founding supreme grandmasters of the Grey Knights chapter.
So it's a fun little tidbit. Another cool character, Remus Ventanus, known as the savior of Kalf, was the fourth captain of the ultramarines.
Not sure which company, but one of them. And he was instrumental in saving Kalf from being overrun by the word bearers.
And it kind of became an irradiated hellhole anyway, but he did his best.
Fun fact about him, Uriel Ventress went to visit his gravestone when there was a battle ensuing with I think you mentioned earlier, how with Honsu and.
Remus came back as a legion of the dead and helped fight back the iron warriors with Ventress is like a and Ventress.
I think at the time was quite young, but I'm not sure.
My mind is either saying he was actually an ultramarine at the time or he was a child. I'm not sure which one is in my memory.
He might have been an ultramarine. He's also, Uriel Ventress is also descended from another ultramarine hero as well, which is quite funny.
There's like a tradition of like, I don't know if it's like, obviously, how the hell does he, he must have been an uncle, you know, like a great uncle or something.
Because there's no way I'll just be, you know, their kids. So you know, the Habsburg family tree happening in the ultramarines.
You mean the Habsburg circle, the Habsburg family Christmas wreath.
Ultramarines can have like children before they become ultramarines, like in the Horus Heresy, especially there were a lot of them who were like, I'm already an adult.
I'll be turned into an Astartes anyway, and they already had kids and the space wolves have that as well.
Like, I can't remember his name, the guy with the massive hammer who's like in charge of the Wolf Guard. I think he had like family.
Remember just read. Yeah, I feel like Ajax. Yeah, because he was massive. He was like, I can take it.
And he was already really strong. And I think he had a family beforehand.
But either way, it was it was a nice thing with Uriel and Remus because they were both captain of the fourth company.
And it was like, he came back and like on fire with his ultramarine sigil on his black armor, like I am a legion of the damned.
I will help you because I'm a good guy. And the last one I want to mention is Aeonid Theil, who was a sergeant of the ultramarines during Calphe.
He was sent to the McCrags honor to face Censure because he had been writing theoreticals on how to fight space marines before you were allowed to do that.
So he's going to be punished and possibly executed for heresy.
They painted his helmet red as a mark of censure. Then Calphe happened. He was on the bridge. He was not on the bridge.
He was near the bridge of the the McCrags honor. And he was before the actual battle erupted.
He was in Rebuti's chambers waiting to be punished.
And he saw his private armory and he just started like taking weapons off the wall and like around.
He was like, I'm going to possibly get screwed anyway. I might as well play around.
And then I currently just finished doing a video on him. He goes, oh, what's that battle outside? Oh, that's a demon.
Ang, that doesn't work very well. Stab. That works pretty well.
So it's like etching things on his armor like like notes because he does they like puts notes on his armor for like future study.
And he like assorts a band of like crew surfs, ultramarines, a few abhumans.
And he goes, take a weapon off the wall. Take one of his fine. He doesn't need him right now.
Take one of Gilman's like personal weapons. We're going to go like fight to the bridge.
He's in the space right now. He doesn't need it.
He doesn't need it right now. And like he goes to the bridge where Marius Gage, who's like the chapter, the first chapter master and indeed the first chapter master of the ultramarines chapter, is like going to be killed by demon.
Then feel comes in, kills all the demons like, right, guys.
And it's like, what's going on? And Mary's like, who put you in charge?
He's like, I did, because everything's gone tits up. And he was there when Robute got his neck cut by Fulgrim and he saved him and took him.
He teleported him back to the ship they were using and escaped.
So Gil is kind of a smaller character in some ways.
But by the end of his story, he becomes captain of, I think, the second company.
And we never see him after Robute gets put in a stasis coffin.
He's just a nice little kind of fun, considering how stringent the ultramarines are with rules and everything, he's a nice little, he's unconventional.
And because of his service, that's why ultramarine sergeants wear red helmets.
I was about to say, yeah.
Well, you brought it up, he's the guy, he's the reason they're red.
He's the guy.
Also, fun fact about coloration, the yellow, the golden trim, only the second company.
The rest of the ultramarine companies have completely different colors.
That being said, you will never find someone who does not have their ultramarines army painted blue and gold.
Apart from Uriel Ventress who has green.
Yeah, you'll have...
If anyone who has like a Uriel Ventress mini or something like that, whether it be homebrewed or...
I don't think there's an official one.
Oh, there's an official one. He crossed the Rubicon Primaris.
And he's had six books now officially.
He has a whole video with him of showing off the model.
He's like, I am Uriel Ventress. And it's got a cool animated thing.
And then it's like, look at his model, it's quite cool.
So pardon me. So you'll have the blue and gold.
And then if you're running Uriel Ventress, you'll have one guy with green trim.
Oh, this is the nitpick here.
He also has square shoes, like square boots.
No other model has...
All the space marines have rounded feet.
It is a square and it's... I don't know why that is.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Why is he the only one spacing me out?
Now I can't unsee it.
I don't know. It's so bizarre.
But it's cool. But it is bizarre.
It's cool, but yeah, now I can't unsee that.
It is Uriel Ventress.
Uriel Ventress.
Anyway...
Square foot looking ass.
Before we...
Before we wrap up, there is one thing I would like to posit.
Matt Ward, you know, very obviously shows his favoritism.
And all that about the ultramarines.
I think Warhammer would be a better setting
if more people and the authors showed favoritism towards their favorite army like Matt Ward did.
Oh, Ironhands, White Scars, Salamanders, bruh.
We are dying over here.
We go from a book reading about the ultramarines fighting 10 billion tyranids with 10 men and winning
to a book about an Eldar craft world fighting 11 D Space Marine chapters
and 10 gazillion guardsmen and winning
to then a book about the Imperial Guard just demolishing Demon World after Demon World.
To the White Scars having a race with that clan who love really fast bikes.
The White Scars being remembered.
I think if everyone wrote like Matt Ward, everyone would be overpowered and no one would be overpowered.
But that being said, are there any questions about the ultramarines I can answer?
Just a statement of...
If you talk about Dagon...
I wasn't, I swear. I didn't think about it.
We should probably save it.
I was going to say, is this a statement of how if someone, again, if they're kind of new to Warhammer,
you'll see it on all the box art.
They're like, don't think of them as the white bread.
They actually do have a good amount of depth to them and they are pretty, I said they're pretty cool.
They are pretty cool.
And so, you know, give them a chance.
Do not collect them just because people don't like the ultramarines.
If you think they're cool, it's fine.
I am. And as someone who's painted a couple ultramarine space marine minis, I have to vouch for them.
If you just want to get into tabletop and start painting, there's worse armies to paint than them.
Very easy, very striking, recognizable color scheme.
And of course, they have a Primark on the loyal side, which automatically, at least for now,
in terms of tabletop and all that, puts them above the rest.
Definitely.
That being said, is there anything else to cover?
Or I think that's our ultramarines.
That was, I believe, our ultramarines overview.
Like I said at the beginning, this was not nearly everything because they're the poster boys of the poster boy faction.
There is a lot of ultramarines.
There are books about Cato Secarius and, you know, Calgar, them fighting the, not Tyrians, the Necrons.
There's books about them fighting, you know, the Democulaba, Chaos.
There's all the Horus Heresy books.
Ben Ventress alone has like seven books or something crazy.
Six or seven now, it's insane.
There is a lot of ultramarine.
Like certain characters might have more books than them.
I think Caiaphas Cain has more Gaunt, Gatric and Felix.
There's more books than individual ultramarines characters.
But the chapter as a whole, there is a lot.
So there is, if you are interested, if you enjoyed and you thought that, hey, these ultramarines seem like cool people actually, you are not starved for content at all.
There is a lot about them.
The models are good too as well.
I have to say the models are pretty good.
That being said, next time we will be covering the second edition of our Primarchs.
So this will be Primarchs 11 to 20.
So a lot more traitors, I would say.
That'll be fun.
And indeed covering Gilliman himself.
More ultramarines.
More.
That being said.
So we're not eating the anchovies.
More.
I was thinking of Adam Driver in the new Star Wars wait.
More.
I was thinking of Julian Luke.
Phantom Luke.
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