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Hello Law Criminals and welcome to Law Crimes.
I am Hal and joining me today is Eli, Colin and Andy.
And today we'll be talking about the Speed Boys, the Ordu Jagatai, the White Scars.
And I will pass it over to Colin to lead us in our beginner section.
Take it away Colin.
I would be happy to.
Now the White Scars are the fifth legion of the original Space Marines.
Of course, part of the first founding.
They go all the way back to the beginning of the Imperium.
They are one of the premier scouting and hit and run forces in the galaxy.
Definitely the Imperium's best by quite the wide margin, if I say so myself.
And rivaled only by the likes of Craftworld's Saim Han and the Speed Freak Orcs in terms of
going fast.
They are based heavily on Mongolian imagery, such as their chapter master being called
The Great Khan, and Jagatai, their Primarch, having Khan in his name.
And while many outsiders might view them as basically just Mongolian-favored space wolves,
so stupid uncultured brutish dumb barbarians do not like space wolves, any amount of investigation
shows them to be intellectuals that are skilled in the arts, poetry, calligraphy, just to
name a few.
They've got more going for them than just fast.
They're quite cultured.
I think that's their big appeal.
If you read a lot of their books, their big appeal is like, oh, we knew all along that
we weren't cultured, but they misinterpreted us.
They're definitely the most underestimated of all the legions, and everyone pays for
it when they underestimate them.
On back in the early days of the Imperium, on Terra, when the Imperium was just part
of Terra and not much else, they served the Emperor as a scouting force during the Unification
Wars, and this caused them to become very good at hit and run tactics.
Early on, granted, this was because they had little choice but to become adept at these
tactics.
As a lot of the time deployed as scouting forces, they were behind enemy lines, outnumbered
and outgunned.
While, yes, they're still space marines and probably get a crush whatever's in their
path, when it's a thousand to one, you've still got to get creative, space marine or
not, and the White Scars learned how to do so.
Once Jagatai was found, this was much the same, though this time, granted, this was
because they had a learned expertise in such actions, and it favored how their Primarch
liked to fight as well.
They also were rather reclusive, Jagatai was not super close with many of his brothers,
similar to how the White Scars weren't understood by a lot of other allegiance.
He became known as the Kagan, the Khan of Khans, and captains of the White Scars were
just regular Khans.
You've got Khan, and then just for you Hal, there's Daddy, Daddy Kani.
Oh God, I appreciate that as much as I hate that too, to be honest.
Kagan, obviously.
There's a lot of Khans, I feel like it's almost confusing at some points, because I
always think there's a lot of Khans.
If everyone here has watched any football, the right football, I'm just going to say
it now, the right kind of football, it's like watching the Icelandic football team,
where they all have the same last name.
I think I noticed it in the Euro, they're all Magnussen, and it broke me a little bit.
They've all got like Sun at the end, like Magnussen, Heinersen.
I know, it's really, there's a lot of Khans though, there's a lot of Khans, they're all
pretty much, because I first heard about them, I thought Khan was reserved, obviously he
has a very big thing.
I think a lot of people assume that they're all called Khans, but they're not, it's only
captains sort of rank white scars that get the honorific of Khan.
But because they're pretty much the only named characters of all the time, I think
everyone assumes that every white scar is called something Khan, but we'll go into that a bit
later.
All I know is that the Euro is less valuable than the dollar, so you call it soccer.
Oh, I don't use the Euro in my speech, do I?
No.
I can't speak about the Canadian dollars.
Oh god.
Oh, anyway, to get back to the white scars.
Sorry, not insult an entire continent.
Rightful.
Back to the white scars.
USA.
Anyway, Jagatai mixed the Terran and Chagoran soldiers together in battle to foster unity,
as early on the Terrans and those recruited from Chagoras, Jagatai's homeworld, didn't
get on super well, but he forced them to fight together and you learn under fire pretty quick
to suck up your grievances and make friends.
And always, pardon me, going forward to the Horus Heresy after the Great Crusade, they
had always been that outside force, kind of like I was saying earlier.
So initially, they didn't really know what was going on with the Horus Heresy.
They were always deployed at the edge of the Imperium's advances as scouting forces
for his contact and early strike forces during the Great Crusade.
So when Horus threw his little temper tantrum, they had no idea what was going on, essentially.
All they knew was that their former brother-in-arms were going at each other like madmen.
As they investigated Prospero after it was burned, a sizable portion threw their laden
with Horus as they believed it was a right for rebellion.
Because as far as a lot of them were concerned, the Space Wolves just went to town on the
Thousand Suns and that was the side Horus was on.
So as far as they were concerned, Horus is in the right.
When Jagatai got some more info and learned that actually there was some chaos treachery
going on, the remaining traitors, marines, and the White Scars either just submitted
to be executed or joined suicide squads to find honor in death.
Anytime there's something like that, I find it really cool.
Like the Dwarf Slayers, the Magyar Squads.
It's very, very cool.
Very Warhammer.
S.S. Ironically as well, I don't know if this is a bit jumping the gun, but I think,
as we said earlier, the Terrans and the Jogorians were kind of reunited.
Ironically, it wasn't quite a big portion of the ones that sided with Horus.
They were the Terran-born White Scars.
So that definitely came to a bit of a heated moment, as to say.
There's always that weird dynamic with legions with Terran-borns and like, are they going
to be goodies?
Are they going to be a bit cheeky?
There's always a weird dynamic in certain legions, like the Raven Guard in particular.
S.S. After they finally figure out which side to be on, they performed very admirably,
raiding Horus's legions and the traitor legions in general for several years.
But eventually they came to realization that if they keep doing that,
they were going to be caught, cornered and destroyed.
So while there was still an opening, they booked it to Terra, where they performed
admirably during the siege, protecting Terra's civilian population and even helping their
Primarch banish Mortarian himself back to the warp after he became a demon Primarch.
They got rid of the smelly one.
They totally did.
It's in the, I think, one of the better Siege of Terra books.
Oh my God, Warhawk.
I almost forgot the name.
That would have been a massive lore crime.
It's right on the tin.
That book is long.
I say long, Brethren, but it's a beefy one.
It's one of the best Jagatai moments with him just shouting down Mortarian with sick burns.
That's our Khan.
We love him.
We'll tackle some of that later, I think, because I can't wait to go into that part.
Now, this did cost Jagatai his life, although he was given to Malkator to be healed, resurrected,
which, unless old lore is very shortly going to be retconned, this is, to my knowledge,
Jagatai's state of things.
After the siege, he is back and kicking.
You can't keep the Warhawk down.
As for that, after the Siege of Terra, Jagatai, at some point, was lost chasing Dark Elder
Raiders back into the Webway.
I gotta say, Jagatai's very cool.
Andy, I know you love the White Scars.
Would not have chosen this as a viable course of action, pursuing the Drukhari back into
Kamara.
I don't know.
Khan will manage.
He'll be fine.
I'm sure he's alive in the tender, loving hands of the Drukhari.
Yikes.
He's taking them out.
We'll undoubtedly get to them later, but just so you know, if they don't want you in Kamara,
you're not going to have a good time.
Hey, if Eli's favorite, Mr. Fabius the Chad Bile, can survive in Kamara, I'm pretty sure.
He was invited.
I don't think Khan was invited.
Was he invited, Eli?
Well, the Harlequins gave him a map, and then he went there, and the
Homunculi Covens actually took him in as a student, because he's like, oh, this guy's
pretty cute, and he's really smart.
This guy's pretty cute.
He's the smartest guy in the galaxy.
Fabius Bile-oo-woo.
They treat him like a kid, because to them, they're way older than him, right?
A lot of the Homunculus have been around since the fall, pretty much.
It's wholesome in my mind, but in reality, it's really not wholesome.
He screws them over really hard.
I'm sure the experiments that were taken in are having a good time with them.
We don't find it cute.
Let us free, please.
We should get back on track before I talk about Fabius Bile-oo-woo.
Wait, last thing there.
Didn't they make the Tower of Flesh or something?
Oh, yeah, they did.
I mean, they did.
They did.
Gosh, that was so cool.
That's so, yeah.
Cool?
I think they can move it as well.
I'm pretty sure.
Does it have hands underneath?
I don't remember.
That's not good.
I had hands, legs, whatever you got to get around with.
There was something really cool about it, but I can't remember.
I can't remember.
Frick.
Well, Eli's from memory.
It was growing.
I think it was growing.
That was the thing they did with the end.
Oh, good lord.
It wasn't created from scratch.
It was literally growing, I'm pretty sure.
That might be correct.
Moving on.
Please.
I think my celestial deviants out of here.
Go, Dildar.
Anyway, after this, though, the White Scars never failed in their duty.
And even with their Primarch gone and their legions split into chapters with what they
had after the siege, the White Scars continued their role as the Imperium's outriders, even
at their reduced strength, and they always performed admirably.
And this is how they have done for 10,000 years and how they will always do.
While they are still seen as reclusive and mysterious by much of the Imperium,
they've never once failed in their duty.
They've battled the Red Corsairs, Traderous Astartes, the Tau alongside a rogue Trader
dynasty.
There's a 40k book I actually have read, the Rogue Trader Omnibus.
Yeah.
In the points now.
And many more enemies besides.
And while they, as I said, remain outsiders, they're not known to many, even among their
brother Astartes by this point.
Not much is known about them, that is.
They're still one of the Emperor's finest and will continue to serve admirably until
the end of the Imperium.
Big round of applause.
A big bow.
I love the White Scars, after reading their heresy books.
Oh, they're so good.
Chris Wray is probably the best author they have now at GW.
Took them a while, they're like, we need to talk about the White Scars, they're not
getting any.
And it's like, oh, here we go.
Oh, amazing.
Thank you.
Because for the first 20 books, they don't really get anything.
And then it's like, ah, now we're getting something to talk about after a long time.
Feels the same with the Blood Angels.
I might be wrong with that, but I'm like 30 books in and they haven't talked about the
Blood Angels still, so.
Yeah, I'm currently on Ruinstorm, so they're getting a bit of love right now with that.
But still.
To be fair, Sanguinius' time in the sun comes at the end.
Yeah.
Sorry, Fulgrim's prettier than him anyways.
Oh, we're always fighting words here.
A comment in the below the video, who's prettier Sanguinius or Fulgrim?
We'll do a poll.
Fulgrim's all natural, baby.
He's all natural beauty.
Sanguinius needs some wings.
The answer is Leelith Hesperax.
Boo, boo.
Oh dear.
Get him out of here.
No, it's Merapi.
Oh, that's even worse.
Are there any questions for the beginner section before Andy takes it away?
I don't have a question.
I have more of a general statement of like, because obviously you were, obviously I won't
say you're a filthy 40k only and not a heresy boy, but you're like kind of even to you,
do the white scars feel pre-like, you're not like even, obviously they're intended to be
quite mysterious and they were for the longest time, which is more neglected than mysterious.
Mysterious is a great way to justify neglected.
Yes, but like even to you, like, because obviously you learn about them now, I think
every time someone learns about them, they quickly become like someone, at least like
top five, if you know what I mean, like, would you say for yourself, like having learned
more about them through this, you have like, oh, they've risen like quite a bit?
Uh, they've definitely gone up there. I don't know if I'd say top five, but that's less
because I don't think they're cool and more because I've just honestly never thought about
like top five space Marine chapters.
This guy can name about three of them.
No, I've got a few. I like the reclaimers from granted. That's because they were in
Caiaphas Kane and anything really in my love. But no, I've got a few, I know, but uh,
they're definitely up there now. Again, like I said, I'd have to think about that if I
want to put together a list, but yeah, I'm a, I do enjoy reading me about the white scars.
Do or don't why scars is coming to your channel 100% of this.
I wouldn't say right after this.
Is it the first space Marine video?
Uh, for space Marines, it's going to be overall space Marines and then we'll get into specifics.
Oh, that makes sense.
You haven't learned, you haven't done space Marines yet?
No, I was, uh, I thought I was going to do a video on that.
Space Marines? Yeah. No, I was, uh, I thought about, I think that's going to be,
all right, we're getting too much into my channel.
What?
That'll be just real quick. That'll be the, uh, that'll be my final do or don't for the
mainline armies. I felt like that'd be a fitting capstone to the series until I get into sub
armies because I need to milk it. Damn right.
Uh, and if there's nothing else, Andy, unless Eli, have you anything, questions, any comments?
I don't think so. I'm sure Andy will cover play.
All right, Andy, why don't you take away the expert section of the white scars?
Thank you very much for handing it over. You've done a great job with the intro.
I think again, like Hal just mentioned, anyone who hear it's about more,
the more you hear about the white scars, I think the cooler they get.
Um, we'll start at the beginning with their formation. So the, uh, when the,
the legions were founded, a lot of them had specializations and different names.
For example, the death guard with the dust graders at the time, uh, the white scars when
they were originally founded were called the star hunters. Um, they were comprised primarily from
the Fulian basin of terror. And at, at their inception, there was only really a few hundred
warriors. Uh, they were known as the eyes and ears of the unification board because they would,
they were, they were used as pathfinders and scouts. Uh, you know, and it makes sense. Uh,
when you think of white scars, you think they get in, they get out. They're not quite like
the raven guard who are more, uh, espionage and covert operations, but they do have that element
of hit, hit fast, get in, get out, guerrilla warfare sort of thing going on. Um, they often
fought ahead of the prototype legions. So what would happen is if you had, say the dark angels,
who's the first legion, the white scars would go into an engagement, cripple as much of the main
enemies, uh, structures, uh, high value targets, et cetera, and then quickly escape before the dark
angels would come in and just sledgehammer crush anything that was left. So they were very good at
just picking off targets, hitting, retreating, and being so fast, you, you wouldn't have a chance to
attack back. Um, they were also sent into the commutatively the single most deadly engagements
and environments of old earth, like anything that was tough, you sent the scars in first,
they do the damage they could, and then another legion would come in and wipe the floor of whatever
was left standing. So I kind of like that as well, that like, even before they were known for the,
the, the, the, the Chagourian, uh, customs and everything, they were still pretty bad ass even
before that guitar got involved. I wonder if they imply, I don't know if everyone else feels like
this. Do they imply that each legion, like it's always in warhammer, isn't it? Where like each
legions kind of already like their Primarchs as like, is that meant to be like a genetic materials
from the Primarchs don't they? They still have them. They just haven't matured yet, but they've
got like, they don't have daddy yet. But I always wondered like what genetically is like genetically
make you fast, but tactics fast. Like, like, oh yeah, I was born to use fast tactics, not I'm
run faster because warhammer is a fantasy setting in space. That's, that's basically the answer for
every question. When the emperor was getting the Primarchs from the war on that essence, he was
like, Oh, this is cool. This is quite hard to like, Oh, he keeps running away. Oh, we're slipping
out of my hands. Oh, yeah. Last Primarch and then make some gene seed out of that. And it's like,
we've got speedies, speedy boys. Yeah. I don't like that sentence. Get some Primarchs, make some
gene seed. I really hate that. I like to imagine he kept just dropping jacket eyes like pod when
he was incubating. So he was like, well, I guess this is my hit and run guy. Cause I cannot hold
with this slippery little bastard. Or he just looks away and he's moved and he's behind a table
and like, Oh, come here. Where are you going? You are in a pod. How are you moving?
And yeah, they also said that with the unification era, the, the white scars only followed orders
from the emperor and commanders they respected. If you tried to command them and they didn't like
you, they wouldn't listen to you. They wouldn't do what you said. So they already had a bit of
a rebellious streak, but they weren't a big mistake people make with the white scars as they say,
Oh, they're just like, you know, even in the universe to say they're undisciplined. They're
just the savage was like, no, they were re they are really disciplined. They're really good at
following orders, but they don't give, they don't, you know, it's that whole thing. Respect is earned.
It's not given. And that's especially true with the white scars amongst the, the legions that were
on terror, obviously as pathfinders, they were the white scars were amongst the first to leave the
planet. They were cast into the absolute furthest flung areas of the galaxy. And because they were
used as scouts, not much of their deeds during the great crusade or prior to Jagatai anyway,
is recorded. Because again, they're all over the place. An interesting fact is the white scars were
the, the legion that found Cephonia, Captain Cornelius Dewar of the pioneer company surveyed
the planet. And he called it a nest of serpents coiling in the dark, that we would be we would
be better to destroy, which apparently Horace was really happy with that quote. And he loved that
like, ah, this white scar said we should have blown up my home planet lol. hindsight is 2020.
Now, yeah, just a nice little tidbit and you know, I'll go into a bit later, but the the white scars
and sons of Horace got on well, very famously. Could have saved a lot of trouble if they just
hit that exterminatus button on the planet. Like the Among Us button, isn't it? He called everyone
for a meeting. Just destroy that little disgusting serpent bowl of a planet. Because of this,
their fleet was heavily fragmented prior to the legions reunification with Jagatai Khan.
And even though they slowly eventually lost numbers, you know, they, they had casualties,
they had diminishing amounts of units, they never once asked for any help. They're very proud,
they never asked any of the legions for backup or reinforcements, they never pestered the emperor.
They were like, we've been given a job, we're gonna go do it. That's all. And they would do
this for 50 years before they would find Jagatai Khan on his homeworld of Chagoris. Now Chagoris
was actually known, or is actually known amongst the Imperium as Mundus Planus. And it would be
discovered by the emperor and Horace Lupecow. And we'll one day be doing a video on Jagatai Khan
I'm sure, because he's too cool not to do a video on specifically. I won't go into too much, but
when Jagatai conquered Chagoris, and he united all the tribes, he was already not an emperor like
Dorne or Giliman, but he was a warlord, he was a conqueror. He had everything under control.
And when he saw the emperor act up by the lunar walls, and he saw them in their, you know,
white armor with the black trim, he said, right, okay, that's a foe I can't beat. Like, that thing
there is terrifying. And also, I kind of want my warriors to be like that. So he kind of realized,
oh, I'm no longer going to be the conqueror of anything I want, I'm no longer going to go out
and conquer anything I desire. My father, the emperor, that's his role. But I'm going to be
free from the constraints of bureaucracy and boring politics. And I can just serve in his name,
go out there with my boys, kill lots of stuff, have some fun, and just be untethered. Because
Jagatai is the most free spirited of all the Primarchs. He just wants to go out there
and slay some Xenos, you know.
Mason- Isn't it interesting that, of all, I think him and maybe Angron might be the only ones who
didn't immediately pledge loyalty to the emperor. Like a lot of them are described to, I think the
one with like Pertorabo, isn't it? I always remember that one. Like Pertorabo basically gets on his
knees and starts wading like a baby. And I think a lot of them did that.
Will- I think Fulgrim also was just like, oh, yeah, cool.
Mason- I think Ferris had a scrap with him, didn't he?
Will- Yeah, Ferris had a punch up, which is awesome.
Mason- Yeah, Ferris had a Dragon Ball Z fight with the emperor.
Will- His powers, over 9,000!
Mason- And then Vulcan, we're going to go hunting and see who's better at hunting. Okay, dad.
Will- It's interesting, isn't it, that Jagatai is one of the few ones who like don't, like a lot of
them, even when they say that when humans meet Primarchs, they immediately want to like bend the
knee, so almost. And it's interesting that Jagatai, I guess, didn't feel that, whereas a lot of the
other Primarchs immediately felt that. So maybe that was something born into him.
Mason- I think the old lore, or at least, I don't know if it's old lore necessarily, or if it's just
the Imperium's records where he went to his knees and he groveled, it's like, no, that's just what
they said. What he actually did is he looked at Horus, he looked at his soldiers and went,
we're going to get slaughtered if we stand against them. Then again, that arm is pretty cool, I'm
going to join you, and we're going to go out and do what we love doing anyway. So why not? And his
whole premise was he wanted humanity to conquer the stars and rule the galaxy. And he was like,
well, if the Emperor's going to do it, he's still doing what I want to do. So cool. Okay, I'm man
enough to say I can't match the Emperor, he's my daddy, I'll do as he says, because you know,
I believe in what he wants to do. And I think it'd be better to join him and get it done quicker.
That's kind of his whole outlook with the legions.
Adam- I think my favorite meeting the Emperor story is still Leemon Russ's old lore,
where it was an eating contest and the Emperor lost and then a drinking contest.
Mason- That's still canon. That's 100% still canon.
Mason- Yeah, I think it still is.
Adam- And then he just plucks his Leemon in the face.
Mason- And then he just stuff your face and get drunk. You're a wretched person.
Adam- He's like, what did you say?
Mason- And then he plucks him in the jaw.
Adam- The Emperor lost, this one like twice, he lost in the drinking and the eating contest.
Mason- Yeah.
Adam- Which is insane because he's the Emperor, he's not Emperor stomach, isn't he? He's Emperor
stomach.
Mason- So to go back to the Legion proper, rather than just talking about how cool Jagatai is. So
all the Plains tribes of Chagoras were then given mandatory military service.
And what's interesting, another, I say, we're going to talk about the wider thing without
talking about Jagatai. Another cool thing about Jagatai, he was amongst the swiftest of all the
Primarchs to be given his Legion and then to just go to war. Like, Gilliman and Dawn particularly
protested, like they were like, he's literally, we've just found him. You can't give him a fleet.
You can't give him all these warriors and just say, go ham. But the Emperor did. And they didn't
like how Jagatai didn't assimilate all of the Imperial virtues that the other Primarchs were
told to foster. It's not necessarily a religious thing, but the White Scars have their own cultural
ideas. And so Jagatai kind of said, I like these things from the Imperium, this stuff's rubbish,
so I'm going to keep the stuff from my Chagorean culture as like virtues to aspire to for my
Legion. So that's another thing with Jagatai. He was just given the keys to conquer the Galaxy
in the name of the Emperor very quickly. But when he-
Actually using his brain too.
Actually using his brain too. Like, hey, not everything's perfect with the Imperium.
Yeah. Also probably the- is there any other Primarch who was more, who challenged the ideals
of the Emperor more than Jagatai? I mean, Angon wasn't happy, but he didn't really have much to
talk about. He was just like, my friends are dead.
Yeah. There was a nice conversation with the Khan and Saint Gwynneas, I think, in Warhawk,
where they were just like talking about how the whole Imperial truth is a sham and like completely
fake, but oh well, it could be worse and let's follow Dad anyways, is basically what I got the
gist of it, which is probably another reason why he's my favorite.
The closest I can-
Ted.
I'll go ahead, Colin.
The closest I can think of is when Martarian started fighting about the Webway and was like,
there's some warp stuff going on here, Dad. Something's not right. That's not really
questioning the Imperium. That's just like, Dad is screwing with the warp with the Golden Throne,
something's not up. Malkador's lying to me.
I was going to say technically Lorgoth, because he technically got it all wrong,
you know what I mean? In the right way. He technically was way off. Yeah, he'd read the
instructions of the previous essay and then he tried to apply it on this current one and it was
not right.
Or was it?
Oh, that's a good question.
Parity detected. We're moving on. We're moving on.
Oh, I think I will say I did like how Jigatai didn't let the Imperium touch his planet pretty
much. He's like, screw you. You're not putting a single factory on my planet.
Yeah, no Mechanicum messing around. No, this is my home. You are not touching it.
That was probably half the reason why the Dark Angels turned stranger.
No, no, don't touch me there. This is my Chagor is there.
Yeah, if you if you if you harm a single blade of grass on my fields, I will go ballistic.
I swear I'm gonna lose it.
There might be a Forge world in this segment.
Yeah, so so when Jagatai took control of the Legion, it was it was divided. They didn't expect to
find any of the Primarchs when they did they just sort of bumped into them when they did.
And so all of his their varying fleets have gone all over the galaxy. And so
when Jagatai is found, he basically sends a signal to all of them saying everyone.
I'm your dad. Come home this instant. So they all do. And it takes some quite a few years.
I did have it written down somewhere, but I can't find exactly where it is. But it is a while.
Oh, here it is. It took 100 years.
I think 100 for all the pioneer companies to come back to Jagor.
It's from what I can hear 100. I thought it was like 10 years.
I thought it was like it was something like 10 years to gather all these star.
That was in space marine time, though.
I think because 100 years they would have been near the end of the Great Crusade.
I can't I think I thought it was 10 years if I read in the book. I think it might be 100.
I might be wrong. I'm sure the Great Crusade is several hundred.
Isn't it a few hundred years where like 200 years?
Yeah. But either way, if it's I feel like it's 100,
just because again, they were literally the furthest out in the galaxy.
And some of them were like, sorry, dad, we're quite far away.
I'm not going to be home before like 10.
I'll get it wrong. It's a it's a happy little crime anyway.
They were far away. They were far.
They were very far. But what he did was when all the Astartes mustered at Chagoras,
he had about 50000 and there was because a lot of them were from terror and they'd just been
like recruiting and training up the Chagorean Astartes as well.
Also, because they've been all over the galaxy, none of them had any shared culture.
Some were, you know, on the eastern front, the western front. Some were from Chagoras,
from some were from Chetara and different tribes amongst the Terrans.
And so what Jagatai did is he said, OK, we're going to do this thing called the
blooding or it's also known as the ascension of the white scars.
And he told all of his Astartes, grab a knife.
You're going to cut a scar on your face, basically from some some from temple to jaw,
some from cheek to jaw.
Like you need to scar your face as a way for us all to have a common heraldry under my banner.
And over time, these scars would show different differentiates how,
you know, if you have like a say, a cut from your right cheek to your lip,
that's one brotherhood.
Or if it's one over your left eye, that's another.
And so they would match them so you could tell what brotherhood they were from over time.
But originally, it was just OK.
That's my my little transformation.
And every Astartes also relinquished their old name and they they picked a new one.
There weren't any rules as to what you had to call yourself.
Like it wasn't, although a lot of Chagorean Astartes used Chagoras and its lineage as a way
to to derive new names, this wasn't mandatory.
And for the first generation of the white scars, a lot of them named themselves after their deeds
in battle.
And over time, as the Terran Astartes dwindled and more Chagorean Astartes were assimilated
into the chapter, they named themselves to honor the Khagan and also to honor Chagoras.
So over time, patterns would emerge on how they would be like, for example, Jubal Khan
was in the Horus heresy.
But there's also the current chapter master in the 41st Millennium is also called Jubal
Khan, which is quite confusing.
But I think it's a way for him to honor the the Lord of Summer Lightning who died in the
Horus heresy.
And so there's like repeated names and all that kind of stuff.
ALICE You know who said they're named after deeds?
I just had the unholy rogue idea that some white scar is called 360 Noscope in Chagorean.
KM Or like, you know, or just like, or throwing
knife across the mat, if you know what I mean.
ALICE His sacred name translates to 1v1 Mion Rust.
KM This is my honored battle brother 1v1 Mion Rust.
That sounds like, what's the DLC for Fallout with Joshua Graham in it, and they have all
those tribal names.
And you know what I'm talking about?
Something hearts, something hearts.
ALICE Honest hearts.
KM Honest hearts.
Something like that.
I think it's that DLC.
The tribesmen have something similar, don't they?
They have like, like wounded kneels.
ALICE Honest hearts, yeah.
KM I think that's it.
ALICE When you said about the whole 360, I was just thinking Kiltacular Khan or something
like that.
KM Running riot.
KM Running riot Khan.
KM That's amazing.
ALICE That DLC was also 250 megabytes.
Remember when games were under a gig?
KM Jesus Christ.
Do you remember playing Skyrim on your PS3 back in the day, boys?
KM Yeah, we were on my Xbox.
ALICE Now what did we play it on?
We played it on the toaster.
KM Skyrim for the Samsung Smart Fridge.
KM I think Skyrim's gonna be released tomorrow if we actually check our calendar because
they're releasing it again.
KM They're gonna release it until 40k becomes real life.
ALICE Literally.
KM It's never dying.
KM We're gonna have server tours by the time Skyrim's done.
KM That's why JaggedIcon was really an outsider.
He preferred Oblivion.
ALICE I love Oblivion.
I gotta say, I think I prefer Oblivion too.
KM I do have a quick question with the scarring, because obviously they're space marines.
I can't remember how they managed to do the scar.
ALICE I think they use a poison.
They use a poison on their blades so that it stops the healing process.
KM Ah.
ALICE So it kind of burns.
I think even the Khan did this, but because of his healing factor, it's so subtle you
can't really see it.
I know he's got the big red pattern on his forehead, but I thought that was more war
paint than an actual tattoo.
KM I'm not sure about that actually.
ALICE It's just a Bachelor Weekend mistake.
KM Yeah.
ALICE And basically, the Khan, similar to what I said earlier about how he didn't quite
assimilate everything from the Imperium into the White Scars, he told his sons to study
the noble pursuits.
And this is similar to the Blood Angels, where they were taught to indulge in the arts.
The White Scars were told, you know, do hunting, tell stories of your heritage and tales from
Chagoras, and do calligraphy, and honor your heritage as a way to, as something to aspire
to be better at than just fighting, even though the White Scars love a good fight.
Lorgar Aurelian, everyone's least favorite Primarch.
KM I like him, I like him.
I like how evil he is.
I like how pathetic and evil he is.
ALICE I like that first word.
I like him because he's pathetic.
KM Well, it's like how everyone, you love to hate Erebus, isn't it?
If everyone was like Erebus, that's pretty meh.
If someone said, oh man, you look like you're the kind of Erebus character today,
you'd actually want to like, just destroy all of their favorite-
KM Yeah, you had to fight, just a straight up fight.
ALICE Same thing with Lorgar.
KM I mean, being pre-Heresy Lorgar wouldn't be too bad.
He was a good guy.
KM Yeah, Lorgar is cool.
KM He just wasn't-
KM He's got a bad rep from guys like Major Kill, and so now everyone hates him.
ALICE Oh, too fair.
KM He was raised by Corvair.
ALICE He's meant to be hated, though.
He does have his sigma, he has his quote unquote sigma grindset moment.
KM I think a lot of his hate is unjustified.
KM He was a prick, but-
ALICE We can agree on that.
KM What's Primarchal wasn't at some point?
ALICE Really?
KM Hmm.
KM Fulcon and the Eldar Shire.
ALICE Fulcon and the Eldar Shire.
KM Sorry, anyways.
ALICE So we just derailed this completely.
Either way, Lorgar hated the noble pursuits.
He saw them as a rejection of the Imperial truth, and so he whinged to the emperor about it a lot.
He'd say, Jackie Tye is doing that thing again.
KM Shut up, Lorgar.
KM No one cares. Whereas Robute Guilliman said he found it suspicious and unworthy,
so he also didn't like them, but not in the same way, which is a bit mean.
So that's kind of the history of them up to Jackie Tye.
Before I go into some of the ways that they- some of the more information about what they were like,
I've got some quotes in the right hand side of the chat,
and I'm wondering if you guys would like to read a quote each.
So, what can we start with?
ALICE Which flavor do you want first?
KM Okay.
ALICE Does anyone want to do the first one with Torgon Khan at the top?
KM I'll go. I actually like the character of Torgon as well.
I hope we talk about him in a bit because he's pretty interesting.
Torgon, he's the Terran born one, isn't he?
ALICE Yes, yeah.
KM Yeah, I'll give him a little- excuse me, there's a jet.
ALICE The Togorian instructors were fulsome in their praise,
unlike the grudging hard men of the lunar walls.
Take pleasure in your prowess, they would chide him, mocking his earnestness.
A warrior is a blessed thing, the most fortunate of creatures, gifted by the heavens,
with unmatched power. It would be polite to acknowledge that from time to time.
KM They were pretty much just like, yeah, why are you being a little bit of a bitch,
just enjoy it, enjoy fighting.
ALICE Have a bit of fun when you're killing people, come on.
KM Yeah, don't be such a downer, man, what are you doing, man? Lighten the mood.
ALICE So, with that said, during the later parts of their time in the Great Crusade,
etc., they began to eventually recruit exclusively from Jogoris,
and they were the third smallest legion during the Great Crusade.
The only legions smaller were the Raven Guard and the Salamanders.
They loved jet bikes, due to their nomadic time on Jogoris, on the plains, and also the history of
trying to get from the most far-flung places quickly as possible. They liked speed,
they liked raiding, they liked things that go super quick.
And similar to that quote before, they were known as the laughing killers,
because they would strike fast, without mercy, and they would always enjoy battle,
they always had a bit of fun when they were doing it.
Sanguinus, Primarch of the Blood Angels, remarked,
they smile often, and they laugh when they kill. Which is like, oh, Sangui. He had a soft spot for
the white scouts.
ALICE They loved fighting orcs, didn't they though?
KM Oh yeah.
ALICE The irony was like, them versus the orcs, everyone was having a good time.
KM Yeah, they were sent to end the orcs after the
Ullinor campaign, just before the Horus Heresy broke out. I think it was Horus, he was like,
finish off the orcs, go to, what was the planet called? Oh, I can't remember what it was called.
But they went to their last known stronghold, and he was like, Khan, could you just massacre them?
Could you just genocide the rest of the orcs? And he was like, yep, cool, no worries.
The first story in, I think it's War Without End, the couple of short stories is about Shiban,
Khan and Torgon Khan and stuff. And yeah, that's quite a good story about like the last fight
before they ended the orcs for the Great Crusade.
I think it was how and Colin mentioned earlier that they're often maligned as savage killers
akin to the space wolves or world eaters. But in actual fact, they are amongst the most capable
strategists of all the legions. And they are very disciplined. They are very courteous to the people
they meet, if not adherent to the rules that are imposed on them. So that, you know, there's like a
Terran born general who also is in the book I mentioned earlier, who I think is assimilated
into the Legion when she's working with them to kill the orcs. And Turgotai Yusuke is like,
I'm going to like give you warning like the Khan's a bit intimidating, but I'm going to help you
get used to him. And they're always quite polite and nice to people. There's even a story where
the the traitor, the loyalists from traitor legions are trying to get back to holy terror
under Mace of Varin, and a custodies is there. And there's like the Emperor's children loyalists,
there's the world eaters under Mace of Varin, and there's a few white scars. And the only one that
the custodian respects is the white scars because he's fought with them in the past. He's like,
I like these guys, these guys are cool, which is a bit unfortunate because they betray him.
But oh well, we'll get round to that later. So they also had immensely big great bonds of friendship
with the Lunar Wolves. Because Horus and Jagatai, they weren't like sanguineous and Horus levels of
like trust and friendship or Ferus, Manus and Fulgrim, but they were really, really close.
Not only because Horus was the first Primarch that Jagatai would meet, and he was like the kind of
his embodiment of what he would like, the example to follow for his legion, because he was the first
one he saw, and they were the first among equals when he was the whore master.
When he was the whore master.
This is for the next episode.
Crusades left and right.
Yeah. And also they did a lot of joint campaigns together. They also had a really good friendship
with the Thousand Suns, because Magnus and Jagatai were really close because they were both seen as
outcasts. And in that regard, they both confided in each other. And Sanguineous also respected the
scars. And I think that was because he saw a shade of like the potential of violence the Blood
Angels were capable of as like a kind of similar thing to the White Scars with, you know, the
when they go hard, they go hard.
And just saying all those three, Magnus, Sanguineous and Jagatai, they were also bonded by,
I don't know if you're going to talk about this next, I might be jumping the gun, but they're all
bonded by, they're all pro-psycho, weren't they?
They were. I'll get to that in a bit. But before I do, I'm just going to say that there are grudges
though. I know Colin loves his great book of grudges and dwarves.
RETAKE THE REALMS.
You filthy grungy.
Rungi! That's an ancestor god!
Yes, I know, I'm throwing it out there. We'll get in the fun. Kill kill stunties!
Well, I don't know if I'm correct in saying this, but I feel like
White Scars have amongst the most grudges of all the legions. And that's saying something,
considering the space wolves exist. But yeah, they don't get on well with the space wolves
because they see them as barbaric.
Like the space wolves are actually the image that a lot of people incorrectly attribute to the
White Scars.
And so there is resentment because of that. Yeah, they're like, hmm.
It's like they're tainted.
Yeah, they also don't like the Death Guard. And that got worse with the whole
Martarian falling to chaos thing and Siege of Terror. And they also really don't get,
probably of all the legions, they really don't like the Raven Guard. They are really,
really, really opposed to the Raven Guard, which supposedly originates from, there was a Raven
Guard chaplain that fell to the frill of an enslaver during an operation known as Kronos.
And the White Scars could have given their aid but didn't. And apparently that's where like...
This is the 40k timeline, right? I think this event is closer towards the 40k timeline.
Yeah, but they didn't really have much dealings during the Horus heresy period, I think. But
finding an enslaver is pretty crazy. But I think the idea that the resolve of the chaplain,
which is also a big deal for a legion to have a chaplain is supposed to be the most mentally
stable of an Astartes chapter. And the fact that he didn't have the constitution to stop being
enslaved by a quote, enslaver, they were a bit like, bit weak. And then they just didn't like
the Raven Guard after that. Is it also because their tactics are so, like, I guess opposite,
because the White Scars don't hide, they're in your face. Yeah, there is that as well. They think
their combat doctrine is a bit sus. Do they both fight the Tao? Are they both in that conflict?
Yeah, there is an interesting book about Kaavan, Shrike and Khorasaros Khan fight together, because
Khorasaros Khan is doing a hunt, because of course he is. He's doing one of his Master of the Hunt
things. And he's looking for a target from the Alpha Legion. He's like a chaos empowered warlord.
And he's like, he's here. And then they go to the planet and Kaavan Shrikes there with his Raven
Guard. And he's like, what are you doing here? They're like, we're just doing something else.
And he's like, all right, I get to kill him. And I get to cut off his head and bring it back to
Chagoras. And Kaavan's like, fine. And then they just ganged up on the Alpha Legion guy and killed
him. It's quite fun. Like Mully's in the schoolyard just kicking him in the shins.
Yeah, yeah. There's a cool piece of artwork from that, at least the Tao bit. I just said,
oh yeah, it's really cool imagining them working together like that.
Yeah, I like the image of Korsaro as well, just like slashing, just
smacking Shadowson in the back and she's like, ah! There's a picture of him just like,
they should have finished the job. They should have finished the job.
But then where would all the Tao Rule 34 come from?
I must end this now.
Shadowson's not that bad actually. But I'm not going to talk about Tao. We're not talking about
Tao. Nevermind. Yeah, Tao absolutely made security beyond Rule 34. Anyway, so during the Horus
heresy, like we mentioned before, they did stay loyal, but there was a warrior lodge in the Legion,
because of course, some of them were the warrior lodges for anyone who hasn't read the books,
were basically ways for the war master and elements of chaos before the war master became
corrupted to sow the seeds of doubt and to go, we're all brothers, we're all fighting together,
and our loyalty is above the Emperor, wink wink, slowly slowly getting ahead of themselves.
And some of them like Haseek Khan, I believe it is, sided with Horus. And like I said earlier,
when he was on the ship with Mace of Varan and the Emperor's children, the custodian and Garrow and
some other guys, I think it's Tylos Rubio, they were like, hey, you're from Traitor Legions,
apart from the White Scars. We're not letting you in to terror until we like check you're okay.
That you're not going to like do anything shifty. And Haseek was so sneaky, he pinned, like,
he got his men to wear Emperor's children armor, slaughter a bunch of civilians on one of the ships,
then blow up the camera that was filming them, then pin it on the Emperor's children.
And then before they got caught out, they like ganged up on the custodian and killed him. And
it's like, oh, White Scars. When they know what they're doing, they know what they're doing.
They were traitors. They weren't proper White Scars. They were Traitor ones. So no wonder they
were sneaky. Yeah. And they almost kill Garrow and that. But then like they murder all the
Emperor's children. They basically go Emperor's children, you've been found to be excommunicate
Traitorous. We're going to kill you all in the name of the Emperor. Wink. Then they kill all
the Emperor's children. Then they kill all the world eaters. And then Mace of Arran goes mental
and just because he's a crazy, super good fighter, and he's angry, he just like gets the upper hand.
And then Garrow eventually sorts them out. I think Haseek escapes though. And when Jagatai
heard about this, he was very annoyed. But he kind of understood why they did it. He was like, well,
we've got good ties to the War Master. And you know, I don't 100% agree with the Emperor about
everything. So he punished, he basically gave them the option. I'm going to either have you executed
or you redeem yourself in the eyes of the Legion. And I think I can't remember if Haseek was he made
it back to the car. Definitely in a start he's dead. He made it back to the car and he said,
no, I'll take responsibility. I did what I did. I still believe what I do. You'll just have to kill
me. And he didn't like to do it. But then Jagatai killed a few of them because they were like, no,
I think I agree with the War Master. Sorry. And this is all before actually, ironically, wasn't it
during when they're all part of the warrior logic. They actually, this is the part where the
white scars, they actually don't know. We said earlier, the warrior logic is like, that's how
chaos like seeped in. But originally the warrior logics are essentially, the funny is they're all
just men in cloaks. Like, does anyone know the film Hot Fuzz? Where they all sing around, they're
like, the greater good, the greater good. Hack. That's what they essentially are. And then the
whole point is that they're like places where warriors are, everyone's equal in this area,
sort of thing. No, no. Basically. Yeah. And they all kind of just believe that Horus,
like, obviously there's a lot to comment about the Emperor being a tyrant. So, and they're like,
he's earned it. Yeah, he should have a go. Why not? So they actually don't know that chaos
is involved at this point. They kind of just think it's like, it's just a general coup, like,
you know, standard coup, not chaos, souped up tentacle, you know, infested coup. Demons were
involved as far as they knew. No, so they're very much, their betrayal, like even above Prospero,
when like another group tried to like, they try to force Jagatai, don't they, to like join Horus.
And then he just, they're all like, this is for the best. You know, Horus is a, you know,
the Emperor's ditched us. Horus is a better leader because he's actually, you know, he's a
fighting man. And then Jagatai just goes, you made decisions for me? It's like, what?
You didn't wait for me to tell you what to do? Who are you again? Yeah.
And that's the kind of, that's the kind of, that's the fate of the traitorous
wise guards. They basically get, as soon as they realize that what they, they're like,
oh, we just wanted to make the right choice. You don't make a choice. You're the soldier.
So they got him slapped. But yeah, they, and then they, when Jagatai
was making his mind up, he was confronted by Mortarion. He was confronted by Magnus. We'll
talk more about that on his video, I'm sure. But long story short, he goes, no, we're going to be
loyalists. We're going to go to terror and we're going to help out. They, for a while, they harassed
the traitors and chipped away at them. And at first they were really good at it. They were just
cleaning house. But over time, the Emperor's children and death guard, they started to see
the patterns. They got really good at countering the white scars. And then eventually they just
started harrassing them back. So at this point, they go, okay, we're at diminishing returns.
The war's coming to a close. We've got to get back to terror. They get stalled by the Alpha Legion.
They get stalled by the Death Guard. They, you know, it takes them a while. And there's a lot
of stuff going on with that, which we'll get into another time. But they get back to terror.
And they're amongst some of the only Astartes on terror, because there's not many legions that
actually are there at the last crucial battle. Everyone knows the Imperial Fists are there.
The Blood Angels are there. The Space Wolves originally are there, but before the battle,
they bugger off for the most part. You know, they try to head Horus off before he gets to terror.
And the Knights err into there. And that's pretty much it. And then it's just the Imperial army and
Titans and stuff like that. So they help defend the homeworld, the throne world, should I say.
And they fight with distinction. Dorn isn't really happy with their tactics, because he's like,
stay in the walls! And they're like, no! And they're just going out and chopping people up
on their bikes. Wars are cringe. Official statement of war. Wars are cringe. They should be behind us.
And yeah, they are there when the war is won in the name of the Imperium. And for 70 years after
the traitors are pushed back from terror, Jaggedy Karn leads the White Scars to slowly retake
traitor worlds and purge the fleeing forces from the Warmasters' broken fleets. But when he gets
to Chagoras, he finds the sector has been raided by the Dark Elder, the Drukhari. And his homeworld
has barely been holding... Chagoras has been okay, but everywhere else in the system has just been
decimated by the Dark Elder. Because they've seen a chance and they've gone, oh, we're going to do a
bit of enslaving. Oh no, not again. A little bit of trolling. Yeah. Exactly like that.
And I know what you said earlier, Conan. Not the best idea, but look, his people from his homeworld
were taken. So Jaggedy goes, no, you don't come to my homeworld and you take my people, I'm going
to get you. So he starts going through the Yasan sector. He purges as many Xenos in his way as he
can. He's told about eventually the Codex Astartes and the ruling of like, Jaggedy, you've got to
break up your legion. No more legions. And he goes, okay. So he finishes off the Yasan campaign to
reclaim his sector of space. Then he divides up his legion into chapters. And then he takes the
remaining White Scars chapter to slay the traitor Astartes. He fights the Dark Mechanicum,
heretical mutants, whatever's in his way. And then eventually he gets to Corosil Five and he's
pursuing the Dark Eldar who took his people from Jagoris. And the Archon, the guy in charge is
kind of there standing in front of a webway portal. He flips the V at Jaggedy or something,
gets his hackles up and he goes, right, I'm not standing. And then Jaggedy goes, Keshek, follow
me. And he charges into the webway portal with his first company. And that's the last time we see him.
And, um, very sad. Yeah. Very sad. Much sad. Don't get me wrong. Not blaming the guy for what he did
in terms of like justification. Oh, believe me, definitely a brave, righteous thing. Just, uh,
cooler heads might have not done that. But that would probably not.
That's a weird Minos kind of thing to do. Then Jaggedy wouldn't be Jaggedy.
I love the, uh, just to come back, just a very tiny part to the Siege of Terror just before
Jaggedy has disappeared. I love like when they, when you read a warhawk and a lot of the books
where the white scars are featured on the Siege of Terror, they're so good because they're like,
there's that really, I was just going to touch like just very cool part about the white scars,
which is it's the part where they have like a layered defense, which obviously as we're all,
we all play Total War here, so we're all Siege experts, but they have like a layer defense
and like Dawn, like you said, Dawn doesn't want them going across, but Jaggedy says,
would we save lives if we broke out? And they're like, yes, we lose men.
That's what we're meant to, like, that's what was meant to happen. And I always imagined like
the part like drums are like beating really hard because they literally hear like the thrum
of the white scars jet bikes. And they just, people were like, what is that? And they're like,
the fenders just here like flying overhead. And it's a literally like dive straight into the
Death God. It's like the, it's for, here's one for Colin. It's like that bit in Halo Reach,
when all the warthogs are charging at the covenant in that big line. It's like tip of the spear,
but with white scars. I think we should definitely give the, the nice mentions of
Jocadi for shock putting the Leviathan Dreadnought. Spoilers for Warhawk Sai, but he, he one hands it.
He one hands it across the battlefield. It's not even like a toss. It's across the battlefield.
It's like 10 tons or so. Oh, it's a ton.
S Some Colin lore for you.
On athletic as I am, that's how I used to shoot basketballs.
S My favorite part is when he fought just a little bit with the white scars or finished the, with
the siege part, but just the last little bit is it has to be said about him versus Mortarion.
Cause they had like kind of reoccurring fights during the heresy. Like they fought on the ashes
of Prospero rest in peace. S
He spanks Mortarion pretty good on Prospero and he runs away like a little live baby.
S We'll get some more to say something else.
S And then my favorite part is when they fight a guy, this is demon Mortarion on terror.
S This is like, the book does a really good job of showing like the white scar. There's a part
which says they willingly let some of them like get, be taken prisoner and get executed so they
could spread misinformation about this attack on Mortarion. And it's like, holy, like they,
S you know, they are exhausted and they had this one last little attack on Mortarion,
the big smelly moth man and Jagatai, I won't spoil that for anyone, but you know,
I'm pretty sure at one point he just goes like, you know, Mortarion just like, you know,
trying to justify himself. And then Jagatai is like, you know, it's all okay now.
S It just absolutely decks him.
S I'm sure that everyone wants to wipe immediately from their minds,
not bring Shrek into this.
S It reminds me a lot of when Fulgrim like tries to challenge Jagatai to like a duel and Jagatai is
like, no, I will win. Don't, don't. And he's like, oh, why do you think you'll win? It's like,
because you'll treat it like a game and I will try to kill you. It's like, oh, oh, oh.
S He's the master of one-liners, dude. He's so good.
S Oh, there's the line after that, isn't there?
S Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, I hear you do strange things to your, your, your vessels.
It's like, I hear you do strange things to your start. He's like, oh, oh, I love that.
S Jagatai.
S That's the biggest mic drop, I think in the entire Horus Harris. Oh no, that and
Rogo Dorn.
S His last words to Martean are so good though.
S I think that's the, that's definitely the biggest mic drop though. Or that's,
it's hard to compete with that. And then the one with Rogo Dorn saying to Fulgrim,
you're just an idiot on a wall. Like, yeah, but the White Scars, they have, they, they perform
in the seed of terror. They really do. And even when like no one expected them to,
unless then they're very much the, you know, the, I was, there's a bit of a rant here,
but I had to, I really wanted to say it because the, like the Mongol betrayal of them is so good
because like, I think when we're all growing up in history, you think that the Mongols were like,
like even in old TV, they're like, oh, they are like savages. And it's like leaned into that
by the writers. But actually when you learn about history, the Mongols are, if not, they were more
more technology advanced than a lot of the people they were fighting. They were obviously just as
cultured as well. And so they tackle that really well. And the series on Netflix, Marco Polo is
quite good for that because you see like the element of like, ah, they're like, they're
introducing changes to like the people they like, oh, we've taken your city. Now we're going to like
help you with like standard of living. You're like, huh? What? Yeah. They are, they're incredibly
well done by, I say Chris Wright, the author, because the, the Y-scar is very much like,
cause a lot of Warhammer obviously is a link to like, you know, always like mythological and
it's like historical reference, but they are very much like when they are fleshed out and it's like
quite difficult to get across how incredibly intelligent they are. And they're very much a,
you know, they, they almost even say they rely on the guys that them looking like savages because
they know that people underestimate them. And I know a lot of people say, oh, the salamanders are
the good guy legion, but I'm like, to be honest, I think the white scars have a pretty good run
for their money. Yeah. They're like, we actually like treat people well. We have manners. We're
like, we don't, we don't go to all like be a bit too crazy with like our own achievements. They're
just like, and they like, they look out for like saving civilians and you know,
I'm just a nice guy. But when your whole gimmick is crimes, it's like the whole thing is burning
people alive. Yeah. They've had tough ones to reconcile. I mean, I mean, it's like Xenos
and Heretics and Mutants. So yeah, they don't matter, but doesn't Vulcan have a, I don't
have a conversation with the Primark about how they're way too war crimey. And then the other
Primark goes to Vulcan. All right, what about your flamethrowers and he just doesn't understand?
Is that- I think that's Conrad Kurz. I think it's ironic. I think it might be ironically Conrad
Kurz who says that, which is like, it coming from anybody else, it would mean more.
Do we, do people want to hear what Mortarian and Jagatai's last words are to each other? Is
that too big of spoilers? I think we should save that for Jagatai's episode. Yeah, I feel like
that's a history specific video. But if you would like, I have another quote. I still got two quotes
left to go. So we've got one from Shiban and one from Jagatai. So anyone want to read Shiban's?
Eli, would you like to take this or would you rather I take it? I can take it.
I wish, sometimes I wish the white scars turned to Slynech. But anyway, I'm not gonna.
Okay. All right. Killing is nothing without beauty and it may only be beautiful if it is
necessary. He smiled as he rode. The memory lifted some of his torpor. When the Khan kills,
it is beautiful. We do like the white scars and they love their Primarch.
Is that Shiban Tatshir? Or Tatchsir? Am I saying that right? He's the one with the robot.
He's got like some augmatics and stuff and he has like.
He lost a load of his body. Like there's a thing about just a little dabble in white scars here
as well. They don't like dreadnoughts, do they? I can't remember why. I must say I can't remember.
And it's like a. I'll go into it in a bit. The prison. Yeah. Yeah.
Also, so with that in mind, I will get to the dreadnoughts in a bit, but I'm just gonna now
talk about how they're organized and then after this, I suppose we'll just talk about some cool
characters from the white scars and that'll be us for today. Hell yeah. Talking about the white
scars during their peak, they had about 95,000 to start. He's doing the Great Crusade and most
of the time even into the 30 into the 41st millennium, they often comprise into 10 to 15
man squads. They're because they are never based anywhere very long. They don't. It's like a good
bit where I mentioned earlier, the general lady from the army is chatting to Jagatai and he's like
she's talking about like supply lines and people are complaining like it's really difficult to get
supplies to you because you don't have like a centralized base and Jagatai is like that's our
strength. We don't have like a big target you can attack because if you chip away at us, we're all
over the place. You can't really like interrupt our command structure into the the 41st millennium.
Although Jagatai was in charge of the Legion as the Khagan or Khan of Khans, now the honorific of
Great Khan is given to the equivalent of chapter master and they rule the fortress monastery of
Kwan Zhao, which is on the homeworld of Chagoris. Like I said earlier, the captains of the chapter
and previously the Legion are known as Khans. Prior to the Codex Astartes, they used to have
20 different companies known as hordes. So imagine, I think it's probably a thousand Astartes
per company times 20 and these were known as Ordus and the Ordus were commanded by
quote Noyan Khans which each led these hordes during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy
and they're like the equivalent of a Lord Commander. Hasek Khan who I mentioned earlier,
he was one of these Noyan Khans and they had names such as the Ordu of Stone and the Ordu of Earth.
Companies in the chapter are known as Brotherhoods and each company is led by a Khan. So a captain
leads a hundred Astartes or so and that's a company. In the current 41st millennium there are
ten companies. They are the Spearpoint Brothers, the Firefist Brothers, the Eagle Brothers, the
Talwar Brothers, the Stormwrath Brotherhood, the Hawke's Eye Brotherhood, the Painstalker Brotherhood,
the Bloodriver Brotherhood, the Stormbolt Brotherhood and the Windspeaker Brotherhood. So
they love to put brotherhood at the end of every one of them. There's a lot of brother in Warhammer
in general though, just everything is... Super Jagatai Brothers. Do you guys have this as well?
Like it's almost like brothers like our gender neutral like acknowledgement term for someone who
works within Warhammer. It's like yes brother. Instead of being like colleague, friend, it's just
everyone is brother. Oh hi lady. I do like in Deathwing, I think it's Space Hulk Deathwing,
it's just like when you're in the lobby it says brothers waiting.
I like to imagine that space brains are fighting alongside sisters of battle which is going brother
and it's very clearly a story time. Yeah. Sister I am pinned here.
At least it's not on Ne-chan. That'd be worth it.
More than probably any other chapter, we know that chapters have sometimes variations on the
different specialist roles. Like for example you get Iron Fathers in the Iron Hands, you get
Rune Priests in the Space Wolves. Pretty much every one of those specialist ranks in the White
Scars has a unique name. So psykers are known as Zadion Aga and librarians or Astartes who are also
psykers are known as Stormseers and their use of the warp they call the test of heaven.
You mentioned earlier how that's the White Scars were pro-librarian and the interesting thing about
the Stormseers is they always knew about the terrors of the warp from their inception. They
always knew kind of like there's something a bit malevolent going on here and so they were always
a bit more restrained in their power. One of the reasons they were you know they always saw it as
useful but unlike the Thousand Sons who were like give me all this put it in my mouth yum
warp yum yum they were like no no no calm down that's a bit too much warp you've got a problem.
So Jagatai refused to hide the machinations of the warp to his Legion unlike a lot of the other you
know pro-psyker guys like Magnus he was like no I'm not gonna lie to them I'm gonna say be a bit
careful with this and in that regard he would argue with the Emperor quite a lot because the
Emperor's like no you shouldn't you shouldn't tell them about this he's like no I'm telling them
I'm telling them they're adults they can play with the warp as much as they want but they gotta be
careful use protection and alongside Sanguindius and Magnus the Red he would found the doctrines
of the Librarius yet even though everyone says it was Magnus and Sanguindius Jagatai also did a lot
of the work and he's never been credited for it just because that was mostly it wasn't it mostly
his idea I think because they the one who came up with it more or less they feared so okay sorry
I'll say they feared like Jagatai hates interference from terror that's why they
always run so fast but they always knew like they always knew something would come along that would
restrain them so the Librarius was like a answer like oh here's an actual rules where here's our
rule set and our philosophy that will help us keep ourselves in check so it was a counter
proposal to stop the it's like let's make our own rules before someone imposes their rules on us
yeah but yeah yeah yeah and and Magnus wanted psychers on Tevar the Khan said no let's restrain
them a bit and Sanguindius mediated between the two he was like I kind of see both of your points
so let's find a compromise so therapist essentially Sanguindius is the best therapist
he's just the best boy isn't he there's nothing wrong with him and we it's not like he's not
too perfect Sanguindius but it's always like damn it man he's like Brad Pitt you know what I mean
you're like I can't hate you but like god damn he does have anger problems uh yeah oh true true
but only when like hundreds of his like sons are massacred by a demon in one fell swoop like that
fair enough that's a very relatable moment in the modern era it's like swing of an axe
hundred dead oh I'm cross um child killed by a demon yeah yeah um so how I mentioned this earlier
that um the white scars do not like dreadnoughts um some would say they don't have them they do
they just don't like using them they have to have them just in case and they are known as
uhan solban and there's a few reasons why they don't like them one their combat doctrine doesn't
really often need some slow moving tank so there's that but also they see them as somewhat like a
prison like if you're interred in a dreadnought you can't roam the planes anymore you can't feel
the wind in your hair as you're going along on your jet bike you're entombed in a piece of metal
and it's not really an honored thing like the iron fathers they want to be a dreadnought they're like
the iron hands are like I want to be in that thing because that's really cool opposite for
the white scars they're like get that thing away from me I don't like it and it is uh it is a
depressing thing to be a white scar in a dreadnought never feeling the wind in your hair ever smelling
the grass you know release your inhibitions fill the rain on your skin wheels on it but put down
wheels on the god damn treadmill that'll be amazing I uh that reminds me of a tabletop game
uh not I played it's one that happened like over 10 years ago uh it's just what you're saying the
dreadnoughts don't fit in with their uh doctrine it was it was before I think uh tabletop warhammer
before you had to deploy a certain amount of forces like you couldn't just put everything in reserve
uh this guy he was playing white scars and he would put everything in reserve so then he just
deep strike it all at once uh but the problem was the other guy had just a bunch of crew
and they could deploy very close to the deployment zone of the other player so when the next turn
came like turn one comes white scar goes they're all in reserve I'm not putting anything on the
board yet and then the crew guy just goes all right I put all of my units in your deployment zone
and you lose because like you couldn't deep strike anywhere until I think it's like at least the
third turn I think I think he was he was coming in from reserve so you came on from your board edge
basically yeah because his board edge was completely taken up by crute and he'd be at least
nine inches away from an enemy unit to deploy it's like a tournament legend yeah I like to
yeah I like to imagine like some white scar battlefield is a complete loss because the
conga line and the crute are just in the way. The rules used to be crazy man the necrons when you
played necrons if you lost like 60 percent of your army you auto lost I think they just like
phased out and left yeah but they were really OP they're in addition necrons were crazy there
was a bit of white scar's tabletop lore for everything yeah still need wheels wheels on
am dreadnoughts please well you're saying about the dreadnoughts for this reason a lot of the
times they actually send these dreadnoughts to holy terror because they're like go to terror go
to chagoras and guard the gene stores and that's more or less all they use them for because they're
like you're not going to be seeing much battle mate I'm sorry but you can still serve the the
the chapter if you can just watch our like our spawn point in a way like watch our gene stores
make sure no one messes with it you'll still have some honor in that regard did they use them did
they use them want I think there's one battle where Jagatai was like all right we have to use
the dreadnoughts yeah and he wasn't happy about he's like we have to I'm sorry we have to chuck in
the big lunch boxes at the enemy get our sandwiches back um and yeah like um just rattling off the
last of the uh the specialists so the apothecaries of the legion are called mcchi the tech marines
are called iron khans which is quite cool that's a really good name iron khans it sounds like a 90s
um like action movie doesn't like a wrestler wrestler is in iron khan I did like that too fair
um and yeah uh and the chaplains are just known as chaplains but the elite chaplain is known as the
voice of the storms so that's pretty cool um the elite first company uh terminators are called the
kesheg they're not as speedy because they're obviously in terminator armor but again they're
usually an honor guard they're usually body guards to the great khan or in the 41st millennium uh
korsaro khan because we'll go into it later the great khan's not very healthy these days um
and during the um porous heresy those who were marked for punishment were known as the sagya
mazan so uh hibu khan uh you've probably seen a picture of him he's got like this kind of like
really cool face paint thing going on he's got like all these like scribblings on his armor he's
got a big like uh I guess like the equivalent of like a 40k katana uh those are the guys who
originally were traitor and then they went sorry won't do it again and then they they then redeemed
themselves through battle as and also I believe um togan was similar he oh yeah stint he was a
traitor and then he's like I love you shiban and then they were separated and then he came back and
shiban's like I don't like you anymore because you were a traitor for a bit he's like sorry
uh yeah rub you know sort of like pivots his leg like nervously in the corner like just hold
I'd love that part where they uh they reek the uh was it the sagya mazan I think it's the name
yeah yeah sagya mazan I love the bit where they like were they a lot of them when they're still
with the before they return back to terror in the scene they redeemed themselves isn't is it
are you going to talk about that or should I uh she can go through that obviously yeah they have
like a really cool part where they kind of they use it like a trap and jagatai hates a dirt because
he's kind of knows that redeeming themselves but he they they like say that we let us do this and
so they kind of leave his flagship um as a trap for matarian so matarian like kind of teleports
in with his uh honor guard and they look around they're like huh where did everyone go there's no
way the jagatai left his like flagship and they went on the other side they did and then the uh
the sagya mazan they jump over the right like they all of them they're all traitors yeah you know
they've all been shunned they've all but they all just like all of them they just redeem themselves
most of them are terror the terranborn as well so this is where they kind of like bring back
their honor that then they defy horus the you know the corrupted traitor and they just attack
matarian and they have no chance of winning but they just do it I think matarian asked why would
you do it and I think one of them just like the tour gun thing is the last one alive he just smiles
and just laughs they're like you know like a redemption why not redemption brothers why
not I've got nothing to do on this weekend yeah and then they just sadly they all they all die
but it's uh I love that moment because it's like uh you know they they really like just they they
couldn't catch them in the end you know too fast yeah um but that's more or less all I wanted to
talk about in that section so before we go on to the last bit where we talk about specific
characters for rounding off the episode I've got one more quote to go and I believe Colin you're
the only one left not not not to have read one so would you like to read this one from our boy
Jagatai I would be happy to you are nobody's slaves he said his voice low but firm you are
the ordo of jagatai we take orders from no one we take no one's word we are on our own just as we
always have been and if there is truth to be found in this then we will find it ourselves
we gotta love jagatai and the white skulls I like how there's like so many elements and layers to
them like we were just talking about the sagal mazan like there's just so many like cool little oh
they did this well they were traded for a bit oh they had like a kind of redeeming company oh
that's quite cool oh they don't like dreadnoughts oh that's quite cool they've got little lows
oh that's cool moments you know right so we've now come to the last segment where we're going to just
briefly touch on some of the characters and again Hal you wanted to talk about some here and there
so if I've missed any that you want to talk about go for it so starting off there the great khan in
the 41st millennium is jubal khan not to be confused with the other jubal khan he is currently too
injured to effectively lead the chapter he was taken by I believe it was the red corsairs for
a bit and tortured and he was so badly injured he can't fight like he used to and he's quite old
so he is in charge but only in an advisory position at the moment other 41st millennium guys
we've got korsaro khan the master of the hunt and captain of the third company he leads the
eagle brotherhood and he is effectively their appointed war leader because jubal is too injured
he is the one in practicality leading the white scars into battle because he's got you know this
guy goes out into the galaxy they have this scroll of vengeance right every time the white
scars fight an enemy that gets away they get out a pen or a quill probably and they go what was his
name uh trevor the despoiler right okay trevor and trevor the despoiler yeah trevor the smasher
it's like trevor he's going on the scroll and they'll write his name down and then the master
of the hunt is then tasked where he goes hey uh he goes through all the companies and he goes
you you you you you you're coming with me we're going for a hunt and they will track this guy
down for hundreds of years if they have to cut off his head bring it back to chikoris put it
on a spike outside their fortress monastery go job done strike it off the list have a big meal have
a feast uh and then we'll go find another one i think that's really cool they cover the skull as
well in silver yeah they like arm it with like this oily stuff i think it is so it's immortal
i remember i always liked that part because it's i just imagine there's this pretty there's like
skulls who have been there forever the path to their fortress monastery is lined with the skulls
of those they've killed from their scroll of vengeance i think that's pretty cool because
they're pretty welcoming like that you know i mean yeah i don't know they're quite cool um and the
thing is yeah uh korsaro is really good at it he's killed like seven of the scroll of vengeance uh
like i mentioned earlier he killed that elf legion guy uh he's killed a few he uh he had a fight with
um a necron uh what was he called the storm lord i think it is uh oh emotec yeah emotec i think it
was um he didn't get him uh but he i believe he did blow up his uh flagship that was that hellbrecht
who oh that's hellbreak sorry there is definitely a necron he got though i can't remember who it was
ah i was thinking as well their scroll is kind of very similar to colin like you know the great book
of grudges essentially where they very much are the same honor system of oh you like just you just
gave me like you know i said hi and you just shrugged your shoulders that one time to live i
remember that for a 10 millennia you will pay in gold or blood and the white scars don't seem to
care about gold no they're very much uh just blood pretty much i know they um the necron i'm thinking
of i can't remember his name but he has like a bodyguard and korsaro got captured alongside
obron and then his buddy what's the the actual guy is it zandrik yeah simisword zander that's the one
yeah he he like goes to get him and then he's captured and then he's like he's alongside an
eldar and he helps the eldar escape and then they get like attacked they get ambushed by the necron
and his bodyguard and korsaro like carves him up several times but he you know he just keeps you
know resetting because necron are ridiculous and then the the necron guy is like you were really
good at fighting you can go and he's like i'll get you one day um and also he's currently uh
postponed his hunt for shadow son who was the most recent uh target to slay he went to the damocles
campaign he tried to kill her several times he did pretty good but then jabal was like um we need you
back home uh red core says yeah it's not going well um but he's like a really cool character and
he's like the kind of figurehead uh poster boy for the white scars in the 41st millennium i hope we
get to see him in the dawn of so the dawn of fire like 40k like ongoing like in domator's crusade
series i hope we get to see a lot of these uh i guess neglected legion like because white scars
in the 40k setting they don't have as much of the vibrance and fleshing out as they do in 30k because
the 30k characters are much more fleshed out than the 40k ones well speaking of which i'm just gonna
i've got three more i want to mention then if you want to mention any how then go right ahead
i'm also going to mention jubal khan from the horus heresy not to be confused with
jubal khan from the 41st um i love this guy he was known as the lord of summer lightning and he was
one of the best dualists in the horus heresy so you think of sigismund you think of course
swain from the dark angels you think of uh all these on you know khan you've you know
brawler on from uh you know the blood angels jubal khan was like the best fighter in the white scars
he was so good um he would have during the horus heresy he would attempt to kill abaddon
and unfortunately even though he's a really cool character um abaddon got him he you know he
yeah it's so annoying man it's really anti-climactic because they filled him up so much and then it's
just like dead oh it's so upsetting because again like no people dying to abaddon is like
is abaddon really that good or they just like need him to like just add him to the tally because he
needs to look better he's also i think he's probably my favorite of the horus heresy white
scars because he's also a terran he's not actually uh there's a cool part in jagatai's primoc book i
think where they've like they briefly returned back to jagorish it's been like a couple of decades
and they're having like a ceremony they're all like you know drinking fermented milk because
you know how it be i think i think one of the one of the terrans even rubbish milk real shit
one of the terrans even said like it actually tastes pretty bad
but they like it and uh him jubal's like fighting another uh chogorin astarte and they're just in
the they're in a loin cloth and they have a dagger and it's like and they are literally they fight
and they duel and they are they're astartes but they are sweating like they have been
in this is going in a different direction
they uh they fight until they are literally at the edge of exhaustion and jubal wins and it even
says like he goes over to his friends he speaks perfect chogorin because he he's he's the example
of what jagatai tried to do was like blend in the legion like the terrans and the um like he
he doesn't join the uh there's no terran astartes there's no chogorin astartes there's just white
white scars he's he's really cool and he's he's a if he's an art of him as well he's a very smiley
guy he's he looks really happy he's also known as uh he who laughs in slaughter i think it is
oh that's a little bit happy that's a little bit the different vibe than i think he was known as
the one who like i think he was the one who like was most known for laughing his ass off when he
was fighting because he was just having so much fun and he was also the first master of the hunt
so jagatai created the title for him and then every generation of white scars has a new master
of the hunt um speaking of terran born uh startis another one i want to mention briefly is solman
khan uh he's a bit of a small character but i think he's pretty cool he was a terran born white scar
and he he was um i did a brief video on my channel for him he he did a a bit of battling
and he fought alongside the sisters of silence and basically they all died and he collected some of
their artifacts and gave them back to the sisters of silence when he got back to i think it's the
somnus citadel and they were so grateful to him for him to do this he had an honor guard of sisters
of silence and his men so it's like oh here's this captain of the white scars also got an honor guard
of sisters of silence that's pretty cool um just a little thing uh and the other one i want to mention
before uh of the last one i'll mention anyway is takutai yusugai um yes chief storm seer of the
white scars this man was basically the advisor to jagatai in a lot of ways he was um you know he was
the guy i mentioned earlier he was like helping the uh the the general lady to to assimilate into
the the the culture of the white scars um he was there during the council of nikea and he wanted
to uh you know preserve the librarians he uh aided revuel arvida the last son of prosper from the
thousand sons to getting him to holy terra where he would eventually become janus he did a lot he also
when when the white scars were trying to get back to holy terra they couldn't get there because of
warp storms and they discovered that there was this artifact known as the dark glass
and this thing was basically the prototype golden throne and as we all know there's only a few
people that can use the golden throne the emperor magnus the red and malcador used it for like a few
minutes and he disintegrated because it just requires that much psychic power turn to cheeto
dust i don't even know what cheetos are but i know that's a thing yeah snack poof but but basically
what this device would allow would be for the white scars to transport their vessels their fleet
their remaining battered fleet to holy terra so this guy sits on the dark glass throne and while
you know he he basically powers it with his psychic abilities and whilst he's disintegrating he you
know he says goodbye to the khan his you know the kargan jagat jagatai who is very upset about it
but he's like it's the only way i can you know preserve my legion he also sends a message to
uh revuel arvida like don't submit to the flesh change you know you got this go and you know
preserve the honor of your legion and he disintegrates preserving you know his his
chapter he's a really cool character that's only in a few books but he he leaves a big impact
for the the white scars and just one of the the coolest characters i think in the series to be
honest he was also jagatai's best friend as well yeah it's really it's really it's really a sad
moment when he like i guess emulates but he's really he's really upsetting because jagatai like
the first time he's like super cool and he's always in control but it's the first time where he like
jagatai almost i guess almost like almost break down is a little whimper you better not do this
and he's like no i have to do it because otherwise we're we're done so i'm gonna give him a life for
this he's like you better not and he does and then he gets really upset um but yeah is there
anyone else you wanted to mention hal oh oh yes uh i have two uh i have there's we said earlier
we had a quote from shiban khan and he's also nicknamed is called i think i said a little bit
about him earlier he's called tachsir because shiban was originally friends with torgan who
was one of the terran borns who betrayed part of the orielogers he betrayed his friendship there
and shiban actually led like a company to assault their brothers to stop like the uh when they were
above prosper they tried to stop them forcing jagatai's hand uh into joining horus and shiban
is like he's not like super high up but he just like he gathered his men is like oh we're willing
to do this and they're all like yeah you know victory of death and they literally like jet
bike in space over to the flagship yeah yeah and it's really cool and like loads of them it's like
it's literally white scars killing each other it's really sad and then um that battle actually
costs him like he almost gets put in a dreadnought that's and obviously dreadnoughts we said earlier
for white scars it's fate worse than death and he's called tachsir because like he has an unreasonable
amount of augmetics on his body and he can't even fight scar yeah and he can't fight with the same
skill level until i think until he gets to terror when they can give him they give him like an
upgrade but he's very much like he was like a very happy white scar like he dabbled in the arts
before like like jagatai uh encouraged him to do but when they like as soon as he gets injured he's
like one of the uh effects of the the heresy on the white scar he doesn't draw anymore and he's
just very like a very bitter person but he uh and he fights with the seizure terror he's basically
the last kind of so many of the white cars die that he's like one of the last leaders and obviously
he's ironically tachsi he's like kind of a legend now because he's the one who helped save the khan
from the traitors and yeah i think in the warhawk book there's like it's from his perspective a lot
of the uh moments in that i will go to spoilers there and the last one i think of is i can't
remember his name exactly but i think it might be jocchi or it might be something closer to that
it's the other it's the other white scar character we have in the horus heresy uh warhawk book but
he's um he's one of the newest recruits yeah is it jose jang so it might be jang so yeah but he's
he's like a younger guy he's oh he's really young he's actually yeah he's this is he's recruited at
the beginning of the heresy and like he he is fast like him and loads others were fast-tracked and
he's not even from jagoris they're actually from they were in such need of soldiers that he's
actually not he's from the asan sector i think they even comment at how not sure why jagatai
has such a preference for having specifically asian people in his or only asian sector people in his
legion so it sounds like i'm not sure why they did obviously because of the look of them
thing is as well with his arts his art depictions he's he's a bit more like japanese inspired he
looks japanese yeah yeah and like the way his hair's done and the the armor rather than mongolian but
i think that's pretty cool though it's like yeah he's still a cool looking character he's a he's
a cool one because like you follow some of his perspective in the sea and he's the one who like
um tells uh shiban like basically they try and take the lion's gate spaceport like they just
as like a and also get rid of the death guard as like a kind of last stand because once they basically
take it and they hold up in there they can't return back to the actual uh main like palace
area they're basically locked there and they're obviously trying to hold the spaceport so when the
lawyers arrive they can land and they hold that and he's the one who like helps stop the white
scars from going on a rampage and like leaving it and they basically say we'll hold this as like
sacred ground and it's like he's like a really cool meeting like you know the newer generation
of white scars and then the older with like uh shiban and he i don't know if he survives this
scene i hope he does because i'm not there yet but he's a he's an easy in respect of like of an
outsider but yet still like alien to what would be a terran like culture if you know i mean he's very
he's definitely not like what imperium is imperials he's an outsider in that he's not from either of
the two main factions of the white scars like terror or chagoras and it's like it's an outsider
outsider for an outsider legion huh yeah okay but he's uh he's i think they're cool white scars
yeah he's like the last one i think is pretty cool overall the legion itself is pretty uh
again like now now you like once you know more about you're like oh these are actually like the
i guess i won't say the dark horse but that's honestly because they're like they have a lot of
imagery of like speed and horses they're actually they don't have as many characters as a lot of
the other factions as well that are like named so i think the good thing is when they are when they
do have some depth they are they hit pretty hard which is quite cool and the characters are pretty
i think they're fleshed out to the degree like they show all aspects of jagatai too i think like
toggen shiban uh tagatai yusuge like they're all very much very different people and uh they they
so it's really i find it really sad because obviously they lose a lot of people during the
siege uh a lot of the named characters which is actually different from a lot of legions like a
lot of the named characters like even on isfahan like oh lot of them survive but a lot of the
named characters of the white scar is just and they they go when it's really upsetting but i
like the white scars though they're pretty they're well they're definitely like top three uh for me
i never thought they would be but they're definitely up there now this artwork i found
a jagatai i sent him in the chat it makes him look like kratos like is that is that just me
looking at that like now i'm gonna think of jagatai is oh that's him versus the keeper of secrets
yeah i i just with the pattern of the scar and how pale his skin is this photo i don't know
if that's when he's um he's looking after his adopted son uh revue alavida yeah i don't i don't
know if i'm gonna be able to unsee jagatai is anything but kratos now oh he has a he has a
definitely he has a mean like he's not a mean street he has like an anchor like his he is
there's a reason i have i've never talked a lot but i have to talk this one moment which is so good
in one of the books it's the part where i don't remember the name of the character but one of the
white scars dies during the great crusade and they're fighting orcs and jagatai they're fighting
with the sons of horus and basically the character like falls into a lava pit and he like starts
sinking like he starts to sink slowly jagatai stops fighting goes over to the edge and watches
his friend like melt away and he just yells for everyone to get out the orcs stop fighting the
white scars and the sons of horus also i think they're called um lunar wall sorry so they like
leave and jagatai just starts like just very slowly picking up the paint and he starts to like
just munt like munch the orcs down and it said like they're watching and one of the lunar walls
like just goes yeah tries to join in and then like the white side grab him going no no no
and literally he says yeah they they say at the end of it also they said during it they actually
can't see him because he's moving that fast they even the start he's can't see him and he's just
at the end of it he's like a basically a red painting because he is just covered in orc gore
and uh i that has to be said that's as like a last kind of how epic the white scars are because that
moment is awesome he's probably the best dad out of all the prime works he and adoptive dad he
gets every arvida and he stands over his like flesh-changing body and he fights the uh the the
the picture that you just sent colin of the demon he's just like you're not you're not touching him
get away i don't think there's any other moments i can remember when a primarch is sad that their
space marines died but calling it sad and mad all the time about it or even when um arvida is being
turned into janus and he's being imbued with a shard of magnus by malcador he's like getting
consumed in like psychic fire and jagged eyes i i am ending this and he like breaks the machine
it's like you are not killing this you know he's come this far and uh yeah he's a very good he's
a good dad he's a very good dad good dad's a good legion but otherwise i guess that's the white scars
have you all enjoyed today's episode indeed thank you for allowing me to take the beginner section
do you think you know like do you think that are they moved up in your list now colin uh i don't
get i'd have to think about the more jagged eyes definitely moved up in my primarch list i'd
probably put him at third now oh oh yeah uh number one i'll go up two is uh actually fulgrum
i think his story is a choice at least in terms of narrative he's a very tragic person
tragic person i better not hear magnus in the next five seconds magnus magnus has done many
things wrong i'm not falling for that my favorite is still gilliam and i uh i really i really like
gilliam nice blue boys the smurfs i like yes but otherwise he's the best one i think jay
getai is my favorite um all right thank you very much andy that's uh fair that's a lot to cover
because obviously they're quite there's a lot more lore in them recently so we definitely appreciate
that and uh for our next episode i think elai what was your choice for our next episode of the
podcast oh the we're getting learned about the the true emperor it's not horace or abaddon
or the emperor well it is the emperor but he has four arms or six depending on which cult you're
into uh we're gonna talk about the gene stealer cults next yes that's gonna get dark and squirmy
they're the most depressing faction i might say there's no happy ending for a jeans raise the star
children raise the star children they have ascension is upon us ascension looks like bug
monsters or unification with biomass i get my lovecraftian influence in i'm enjoying that
i can't wait i got the cortex and now that they're like my favorite faction ever
well prepared to be uh i must say something really like what's a way to describe like an alien
getting in someone's body without being a bit sus uh uh uncomfortable just yeah let's just leave it
there just just go watch the uh the chess burster scene from alien and then a flood infection form
inform yeah or prepare to get your chest bursted on the next episode ladies and gentlemen
with a gc i almost forgot as well i think actually also if any of you are still
hankering for more white scars content i think this by the time this episode is released the
same day i'm doing a white scars video so just putting that out there as well
i also did jagatai khan as well so shame is very good i had the part in it where they do the
i do strange things to your warriors so if you want to see jagatai drop the line
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moved up in your lists like for many of us lot here and we'll see you all next time have a good
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