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It's very hard to figure that out, what it would

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be like. This is getting so philosophical and

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goofy. We're just trying to figure out if necrons

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can suffer or not. Before we were born, we didn't

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have a consciousness for millennia. But we don't

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remember not having a consciousness for millennia.

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Speak for yourself. Colin the omnipresent. Colin

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hasn't gooned since last November. He officially

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can levitate now. Yeah, dude. No, we're going

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to stop that one. Pancreas, no semen retention.

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hello ladies and gentlemen boys and girls and

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welcome back to law crimes where today We had

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a little bit of a rack in our brains thinking

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about what could we talk about that'd be interesting

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because we're doing some videos, some streams

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about, you know, what ifs in these settings of

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Warhammer Fancy and 40k. And I think you came

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up with this one, Hal. What are we talking about

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today? Actually, I think it came from your mind,

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Andy. Or maybe it was me. We had a little brain

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session from topics. speaking like any true law

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crimes uh enjoyer we thought of unbearable suffering

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and pain um today we should discuss in warhammer

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law who's who's getting rammed um in a different

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way sorry wait wait let me rephrase that rephrase

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that who is having the worst time it's the chipmunks

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meme where who's suffering the most if you know

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what i mean As always, guys, we're on offline

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stuff, Spotify, all those other platforms you

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want to see us there. If you want to catch the

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live episodes where you still have the funny

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people's donations where you guys roast us about

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our hairlines, appreciate that. It makes us all

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laugh. Obviously, if you join our Discord, you

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can still see the episodes just there. It's all

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on YouTube. The link is on the Discord, so come

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check out our Discord. People hang out there

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quite a lot, and it's a good time. Other than

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that... Fun memes. yeah we're not hopefully you're

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not suffering this into us but today we want

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to talk about who's really having a time who

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is um we'll start with fancy though because it

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is obviously i say 40k is probably worse but

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let's just say people in fantasy are still uh

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it's not the best place sometimes it's not the

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best place to live uh we can certainly start

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with the humans though uh between the human factions

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colin We have to ask you as the resident fantasy

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expert. Suffering. Who do you get immediately

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drawn to when you hear suffering? I mean, if

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we're talking factions, anyone who lives in Kislev

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is just probably not. It's not great. It's really

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not great up there. Do you want to explain it

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for the reason if someone is maybe just a 40k

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enjoyer, they don't know? Yeah. So imagine, you

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know, you live. It's miserably cold, like middle

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of Siberia. And that is like a nice... Wow, damn,

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that was a good spell. Good job, me, from like

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three years ago. Anyway, no. It's like miserably

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cold conditions, like negative 50. And that's

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a warm summer's day for you. So that's already

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rough. You know, food pretty scarce a lot of

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the time. It just kind of sucks in that regard.

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And then you're on the doorstep to hell. You

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are who chaos goes through to get to everyone

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else every single time. There's one city, it's

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fallen like 10 times. They just keep rebuilding

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it and then it gets smashed. Shout out to Prague.

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It's not the real life Prague, but it is just

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called Prague, yes. Also the food. I was going

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to say, on even the mundane stuff, like what's

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your diet? It's like, oh. Anything that I have

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to fall out. Oh, great. Beets. There's a lot

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of beets. Hey, beetroot is a foundational ingredient

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in many lovely Slavic things. Shout out to Mashed.

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That is the best soup. Absolutely best soup ever.

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It sustains every single piece of clothing I've

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ever eaten, but it is the best thing ever. They

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also die, don't they? Yeah, because like massive

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chaos invasion. They also have a place called

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Troll Country, technically part of theirs, which

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is like where 80 % of the horribly mutated chaos

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animals on the planet live. Every now and again,

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they migrate across Key Slip and it's just like,

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all right, that's just something I got to fucking

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deal with today. Ain't that great? If you would

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speak of the Empire of Man, though. Where's the

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worst region? Like, who's having it the worst

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in the end? Oh, Stirland. Stirland, I knew you

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were going to say Stirland. Ostermark's near

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the north, right? Stirland, there's at least

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one town where the adults encourage children

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to throw shit on travelers because it wards off

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evil spirits. Stirlanders suffer because they

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are Stirlanders. Yeah, I mean, it's deserved

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suffering. Like, it's their own little hole they've

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dug themselves, but, you know. would you rather

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be in kids level sterling though oh dude he's

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left city is pretty nice there's aaron grad there's

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you know that's like trade sometimes elves go

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there it's pretty nice sterling all right what

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do i do there i believe with my sister more like

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bretonia what keith's level like any of bretonia's

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places because i mean the average bretonian peasant

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is infinite Endless peasantry shit lifestyle.

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That's pretty miserable, yeah. It's warmer there,

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though. I will give it that. The climate's pretty

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nice. It's a simple life. Unless you live next

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to Athel Loren and then the wood elves every

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now and again just rampage through your house

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for fun. I think the... Surely Ost... I would

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have thought Ostermark because that's the northeast,

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isn't it? And that one is pretty... That one

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is like the one where everyone... hates it because

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it's just like a backwater. Oh yeah. That, I

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mean, that one is also a backwater and it's right

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on Key Slip's doorstep. So when the, when chaos

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is done bulldozing through Key Slip, they usually

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like, Hey, how you doing down there? I mean,

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let me come say hi. They're also right by Sylvania

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too. So, you know, vampire, I mean, you know,

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they're not quite right on top of it. They're

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close. They're close. Do you think equally what's

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worse than Ostermark or Nordland? Cause they

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have a pretty, they have a pretty hard time.

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I mean, Norland's not bad, right? It's just like

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the flooding in of, you know, chaos. Norse raiders.

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Yeah, Norse ships every now and again. Every

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now and again, usually being at least like once

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a week, let's be frank. It's a lot of fish as

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well. Like, it's the Kieslev diet, but more Norse

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raiding. Yeah, but I like fish. Like, I don't

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say that's a downside. Kieslev or St. Louis,

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I don't... Like, the city... Raided... Not St.

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Louis, as in St. Louis, the city, right? Well,

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if you mean the city of St. Louis that's in Missouri,

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it's L -O -U -I -S. I heard Spooky Kabuki was

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sending hate onto that. Shout out to him. I've

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got a friend who lives in St. Louis. I don't

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really know anything else beyond it. It sure

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is St. Louis. I think the average human is probably

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suffering quite a lot. It just seems terrible

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in Kiesler. I think Grand Cathay, from what we

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know, is alright. It's okay. They know how to

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read. They got a big wall. I do got a big wall.

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There's a whole lot of chaos on the other side

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of that wall, too. It's not great. Technically,

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the humans who live in Norsca are humans. So

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that's a pretty... What's the average life there?

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Like, I don't know, stereotypically like Viking

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pagan. You know, fight each other for the dark

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gods, go and get their blessings. Every now and

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again, someone walks up north into literal hell.

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Usually they don't come back, but if they come

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back, they're a chaos warrior. That's a dub.

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No healthcare, damn. Well, I mean, you can pray

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to Nurgle. True. I just can't believe, like,

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the one I always think was, like, even if you

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lived in somewhere like Nuln, the issue is you'd

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have, like, a nice city in the Empire, and then

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suddenly there's a creature called Thanqual.

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Very true, very true. Your city, and you have

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rats come out of your sewers, and then it gets

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kind of worse, because just south of it, there's

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Blackfire Pass. And then occasionally an orc

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tide will flood through that and you have to

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stop it. Otherwise, it's just kind of, you know

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what I mean? Like the cats out of the bag sort

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of feature. So the Empire is not that great.

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Is it fair to say the worst profession in any

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human civilization because of the Skaven is sanitation

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slash sewer systems, etc. They call them rat

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catchers. They go down and they patrol on paper

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for rats in practice. Bigger man -sized thinking

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rats. It's a pretty shit job. I had a thought,

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which was I think the worst place for a human

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to live is probably Sylvania. Maybe? Unless the

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vampires really like you. It's definitely up

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there. Overall, they usually don't really like

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you, though. There are not many vampires like

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that. Most of them are assholes. Yeah. Vlad isn't

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that bad, to be fair. He was an okay leader,

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wasn't he? Mind him. Vlad was better than the

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previous ruling human, which, you know, we love

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Vlad. That says a lot about the other guy. That

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says more about the other guy than what it says

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about Vlad. I'm going to be real. There have

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been good vampires. There's been some. Good vampires,

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though. Like the one who got a place in the Empire.

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I don't know anything past that. That he lived

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a little bit too long and they got suspicious

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or something. I thought he was cool. That was

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Vlad. Pretty sure. That was Vlad? I feel like

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it was just some random guy. He was the elector

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count of Sylvania for a while. Well, I know.

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I think there was one in the actual empire. It

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might be true. Another guy. Yeah, I don't have

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lads to go, man. I don't know what the average

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life of a human being in Sylvania is. Probably

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really scared, and your life could be taken at

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any second. I don't know. They're superstitious.

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They're especially poverty -stricken, even by

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empire peasant standards. The dead just walk

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around sometimes, even if there's no vampire

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doing it. There's so much black magic. Sometimes

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grandma just gets out of the grave and goes for

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a nibble. Are there supposed to be lots of...

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Are there supposed to be a decent chunk of humans

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in vampire armies, realistically? There's a small

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contingent. You can have the Sylvanian crossbowmen,

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but like... I guess that's all you would need

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to use humans for, really. reloading yeah yeah

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ranged with ranged warfare basically what if

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what if you need a snack mid -battle that too

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that's the enemy hungry also the enemy yeah your

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life as a as a like sylvanian crossbow guy that

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might not be terrible i don't know i might get

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still i probably still argue like he's left is

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probably the worst for humans in the like the

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um The southern cities, like the mercenary estates,

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they're pretty fine. They're alright. Other than

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there's the occasional rat problem. Or green

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skin problem. Yeah, or green skin problem. But

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all the other factions face that as well, really.

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The next one I was thinking of, which... I would

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say anyone who lives near a forest, by the way,

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this is just like a universal every faction,

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because they're like 80 % beastmen by volume

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of creatures in there. Midland has a reputation,

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doesn't it? The dragon wall? I love Khazrak One

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-Eye. He's so pointless, though. He's so pointless.

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He's the goat. He's a hero in this house. I mean,

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he's no more pointless than the beastmen. Do

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with that what you will. Dreading on crying in

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the background right now, right now, for real.

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That's 40k Beastmen who are somehow even more

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impotent than fantasy Beastmen. He's on the cover

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of one book once. Speaking of non -human suffering,

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though, elves. And I think there's only one thing

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that really takes the cake. The worst thing about

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being a human is probably being a human slave.

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in the Dark Elves faction. You'd also skip over

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Felix, whose life is suffering. Yeah, human characters.

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From what I understand, from what you said, he

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gets laid occasionally. Yeah, dude, that ain't

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worth going on a black art. Well, I mean, hang

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on, hang on. He made it out, it's fine. He did.

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He's been to hell. It's Max Schreiber who was

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caught, by the way. No spoilers. Getting laid

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every now and again is not worth what Felix goes

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through. Yeah, poor guy. No. No. False. I was

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going to say, definitely the Dark Elves, they

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have it bad. It's just... Do you want to give

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a little rundown of Dark Elf Society, Colin?

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Because I think we recently did a Fantasy Fireside

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on that, so if you want more, it's there. They

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live in Warhammer Fantasy Canada, but because

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it's Warhammer Fantasy, it's miserable and awful.

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It's just Canada. Yeah. Funny commentary from

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me only. I can't even deny it. I got nothing.

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And they pay high taxes, too. yeah you know nagaroth

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super blows it's uh it's it's miserable up there

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it's also just as cold as keys live uh it's also

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connected to chaos portals like you know just

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through the land directly uh they also have something

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in nagaroth called the altar of ultimate darkness

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that's the building next door to some people

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it is about as nice to live there as it sounds

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uh if you're a dark elf noble it might not be

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too bad because you know you're rich and powerful

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but you will also yeah but you know i was going

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to say you will also be at risk of constant assassination

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attempts which you know you can do in turn but

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like that's nothing else that's just going to

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get stressful after a few days like can we just

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bring it down to one the the least suffering

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is probably like dark elf general guy you just

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get to go fight wars away from Negroth. Probably

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that or like a black ark commander. They need

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slaves. There's still an inherent problem though,

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which is that all elves in fantasy, as far as

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I'm aware, they are still being gluck -glucked

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by Slaanesh, right? Yeah, but it's not like an

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inherent pull like it is in 40k. Slaanesh just

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kind of likes elf souls, but they don't die and

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it's just like, and Slaanesh. Dark Elves even

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get along with Slaanesh in fantasy sometimes.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like that's something

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that has happened. Older editions it definitely

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was, and some newer stuff has actually kind of

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gone a little bit back. Although newer stuff

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means Marathi spreads Slaanesh corruption and

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total war. Which, hey, it's still the official

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property. It is going back to it a bit. Some

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of them like Slaanesh, yeah. That's also true.

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Who's Marathi's arch nemesis? Hell... Herself?

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No, the other lady. The crone lady? Oh yeah,

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Hellebron. Living in that city seems like it

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is... Oh? No, that city is actually... Every

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week but one out of the year is actually... crime

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no crime there at all they have the purge yeah

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yeah you have the literal purge well yeah but

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then there's that week and you know then it's

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yeah they're true that's actually probably the

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least suffering in yeah the dark elf world i

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mean unless you you know you're a slave but that's

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just kind of is that is that hargarand is that

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it's like harganeth harkin i think it's hard

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enough I like the idea that GW is like, it is

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called The Purge, but because of copyright, it's

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spelled P -E -R -G -E. It's called Death Knight.

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Although it's a week long in Harkoneth. But it

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is just The Purge, yeah. Crime is all legal for

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a day. This is Death Knight. This is Death Knight.

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Death Knight. Death Knight. Fucking nuts. As

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you say, fucking blow. Because even if you have,

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like... 51 great weeks. There's one week which

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will be the worst week imaginable. Just check

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your calendar. And you're not allowed to book

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a holiday. That's a good point. Are you allowed

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to leave? You don't have to go away for the week.

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Or dig a Minecraft dirt hole in your house. Build

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the 1x2 dirt hole right down below and block

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it off. No problem, mate. No problem. I'd choose

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that over any other Dark Elf city. Yeah. The

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High Elves have it bad as well, I'd argue, because

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they keep getting attacked by the bloody Dark

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Elves. That's true. But your average High Elf

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probably has a pretty good life. Probably has

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the best life in fantasy, don't they? Average?

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They're doing pretty alright. On average, they're

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doing pretty alright. Now, certain individual

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High Elves, Eltharion... Why is he so miserable?

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Well, because first, well, because he got poisoned

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by dark elves and then a fat goblin killed his

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dad, killed his cousin, burned down his house,

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almost ended the world. And then he looked beyond

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the realm of chaos into the truth of all things

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and then came back out alive. And that doesn't

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leave a person very happy. I think that leaves

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some mental scarring. Yeah. Would you say Argi

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Malekith has also suffered quite greatly? oh

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yeah because he's uh rose chris bacon stuck yeah

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but like how much of how much are we countering

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in self -inflicted like yeah sorry that's that's

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part of that song very true technically it's

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still suffering though it just doesn't mean that

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some of it might be like he kind of deserves

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i don't know it's just like if you slam your

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nuts in a door frame several times I don't think

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you can blame the guy who, like, fitted the door

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or the guy who made the hinges or, like, people

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opening the door. It's like, get your nuts out.

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What are you doing? Yeah. This is a very specific

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place to put them. I've never done this once

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in my life. Are you trying to do this? Teclis

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is also pretty fucking... His life's pretty miserable.

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Because he got his brother killed, so... No,

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he didn't. Well, his brother Tyrion died, didn't

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he? Well, I mean, in the end times, wouldn't

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he? Yeah, but we don't talk about the end times,

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man. Yes, that's nonsense. Okay, fair enough,

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fair enough. That was Tyrion taking, well, I

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guess, I mean, Tyrion kind of got dealt a pretty

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shit hand, I'm not going to lie, but he pulled

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the sword of Cain. He did that. And his daughter

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died, and that sucks. And his wife married his

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arch nemesis. Or his girlfriend. That is pretty

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miserable. Tyrion's life up to that wasn't too

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bad. And then he's blind now, so. Oh, yeah. He

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lost. He's a god now, if we're going that far

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ahead of that kind of balance. Fair enough. Nah,

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dude. Born with magical tuberculosis. Sickly

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and frail because of it. Walking is a chore if

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he hasn't had his potion. Elves don't like him

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that much. He's that weird fucking sickly kid,

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Tyrion's brother. They don't make fun of him

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to his face because if you do that, Tyrion beats

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the ever -loving hell out of you. It's not a

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great life. He also is just like the whipping

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boy. I've got a sidetrack, Colin. If you were

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in Warhammer Fantasy and you still had diabetes,

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but we also added crones, but you could shoot

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lightning out of your nipples, is that a worthwhile

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trade? How does the scale of hours to disability

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work? Can it be my hands, please? No, you have

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to do that. So you pretend it coming out. Oh,

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he's pretending. No, that is so not worth it.

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Also, it's... Yeah, that guy always casts spells

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from his hands and his chest. No, I have to do

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a certain gesture. I'd be a human wizard in Warhammer

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2, so every time I lightning nipple, I'm rolling

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the hands of the double snake eyes and I explode.

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No, I don't want that at all. That's awful. And

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I get crones. Would you guys say, as for more

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factions, how do the orcs have it? Because the

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life of an orc can be quite a lot of fun. They're

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still kind of orcs. I mean, if you're a Gretchen.

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If you're a Gretchen, it sucks. i mean they're

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them and like we could probably just do both

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of them at once they're pretty comparable between

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40k and fantasy there's an orc but there's less

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looting and stuff but but isn't there's also

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like an element of like the favorite thing of

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a gretchen is to get one over their walk overlords

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and occasionally like if they can poison them

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or stab them in the back or do a little like

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cheeky bit of like whimsy and that's how oh yeah

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height of their like the best thing ever oh well

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like oh yeah gretchen yeah goblins are kind of

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the same too i mean they're a little smarter

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and actually cared about in fantasy as opposed

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to those things that orcs sometimes shoot out

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of a gun 40k but i mean it's still pretty comparable

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the big guy kicks the little guy around to do

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the grunt work uh orcs lays around drink fight

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until it's time to go beat up half of the empire

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and then disperse and then What am I saying?

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They're having a great time. By human standards,

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sure, I'm sure it's miserable, but orc standards

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are what we're operating on. They're fine. They're

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doing great. Can you think of a... I don't know,

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we're fancy. Have you ever seen a record of a

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sad orc, rather than just an angry one that it's

00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:29.579
not fighting? A sad, depressed orc. Or are they

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just like, I'm annoyed because I haven't been

00:23:31.740 --> 00:23:33.279
fighting for a while. That's not quite the same

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as having a bad time in the same world. I mean,

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orcs... orcs like squigs you know if they're

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if their pet squig dies they'll probably privately

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be you can't be said in public then the boys

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aren't going to take you seriously no more but

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you know they'll probably they'll have a sad

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like off in the corner sad off in the corner

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yeah i mean you know but other than that there's

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still orcs they'd like fighting they like yeah

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They ain't suffering, really. They want to suffer.

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Dude, look at Wurzag. That guy's having so much

00:24:03.430 --> 00:24:06.009
fucking fun at all times of the day. He's dancing

00:24:06.009 --> 00:24:09.069
around with big footsteps on people he doesn't

00:24:09.069 --> 00:24:14.230
like sometimes. He's chilling. The guy's having

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a good time. Before we get any further, we should

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address some of the donations. Thank you very

00:24:21.789 --> 00:24:29.410
much, guys. So for the non -live viewers, we

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did mention that Beastman sucks. Just being a

00:24:33.309 --> 00:24:36.329
Beastman kind of just is terrible. The other

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last ones to talk about in fantasy are the Lizardmen.

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I don't know if it's that bad. Lizardmen kind

00:24:41.490 --> 00:24:44.450
of... You live in your natural environment. Occasionally

00:24:44.450 --> 00:24:46.650
it's bad, but that's because of the Skaven, not

00:24:46.650 --> 00:24:49.630
because being a Lizardman sucks. They're also

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like mostly just biological robots. Like they

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just kind of... do their job and then that repeat

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until they eventually die oh my god I said the

00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:04.599
last one you know I just literally forgot the

00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:09.039
the actual number one thing on this list like

00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:16.220
it's it's it's bad if they lose it's bad if they

00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:18.880
win like it's just you know what I mean what

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if what if an under hive but worse Is there any

00:25:24.140 --> 00:25:27.259
happy skaven? Can you describe the average life

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of a skaven? Quick headtaker's happy, I bet.

00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:31.599
Quick headtaker's doing all right. Thanquil's

00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:36.039
pretty happy in the 30 -second mark before he's

00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:38.960
about to finish his scheme. And then the 25 -second

00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:40.660
mark happens and it goes wrong and then he's

00:25:40.660 --> 00:25:42.900
not happy. But then we're so back 10 minutes

00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:48.410
later. But then it's so over. But then... Infinity

00:25:48.410 --> 00:25:50.309
into Age of Sigmar because he's still fucking

00:25:50.309 --> 00:25:53.190
alive because the hornrat will not let him die.

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It's too funny. What's the average life of a

00:25:56.349 --> 00:26:01.849
Skaven, Colin? Well, there's decent odds. You're

00:26:01.849 --> 00:26:06.930
born in a litter of a lot. Usually the other

00:26:06.930 --> 00:26:10.950
Skaven pups are eating each other to survive.

00:26:12.630 --> 00:26:16.039
Not great. uh then you know when you when you

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grow up i believe adulthood for skaven is like

00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.900
the ripe old age of three uh they only live well

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i mean i think they could live longer than 13

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years but i guess it's part of the reason they

00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.960
suck the average life expectancy for a skaven

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is 13 years it is not a peaceful death usually

00:26:31.779 --> 00:26:35.759
either uh let's see they're usually incredibly

00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:38.980
malnourished they live in the most squalid conditions

00:26:38.980 --> 00:26:42.559
a skaven building collapsing is not a question

00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.759
of if It is a question of when. And the answer

00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.180
is usually within like a week. Eat poop. Eat

00:26:49.180 --> 00:26:53.660
poop. You know, whereupon the building will be

00:26:53.660 --> 00:26:55.859
rebuilt. Yeah, poop was the name of a friend.

00:26:56.099 --> 00:26:59.119
His name was poop. Oh, you have to eat poop because

00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:01.940
he's being annoying. He might stab you in the

00:27:01.940 --> 00:27:06.420
back or he has secrets. Yeah. Nonstop backstabbing.

00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:08.640
It's just nonstop. Nonstop. Doesn't matter what

00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:10.920
level of government you're at. If you're a, you

00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.759
know, if you're a random nobody, someone's going

00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:14.940
to stab you in the back for food or like your

00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:18.799
shiny, almost not rusty knife because it's a

00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:21.440
thing and he wants it. If you're a merchant,

00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.200
another merchant is going to stab you in the

00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.779
back for, you know, cut you, literally cut you

00:27:25.779 --> 00:27:28.740
out of the, out of the business or a customer

00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:32.039
is going to stab you in the front or something.

00:27:32.140 --> 00:27:34.740
Wow. If you're an influential, you know, general

00:27:34.740 --> 00:27:37.079
or something, your underlings want your job.

00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.750
Their underlings want their job. all the way

00:27:39.750 --> 00:27:43.430
down uh the council of 13 probably will get you

00:27:43.430 --> 00:27:45.430
killed at some point because oh if you're being

00:27:45.430 --> 00:27:48.289
too good of a general might be a threat to them

00:27:48.289 --> 00:27:51.589
power so uh you kill you the only way to extend

00:27:51.589 --> 00:27:54.890
your life is by hard drugs as well like just

00:27:54.890 --> 00:27:57.250
hard sniffing that is a pretty common one yeah

00:27:57.250 --> 00:28:01.130
we do we do love some warp stone cocaine uh which,

00:28:01.170 --> 00:28:04.269
depending on how diluted it is, it might actually

00:28:04.269 --> 00:28:07.069
just be cocaine sometimes, or it's also cocaine

00:28:07.069 --> 00:28:09.569
and magic, or it's just magic. It's Warpstone.

00:28:09.609 --> 00:28:11.349
It does whatever it feels like doing on a given

00:28:11.349 --> 00:28:13.789
moment. It's chaos magic. It doesn't need to

00:28:13.789 --> 00:28:18.009
make sense, and it rarely does. Health and safety?

00:28:18.130 --> 00:28:23.869
Fuck OSHA. All my homies die at work. Everyone

00:28:23.869 --> 00:28:27.170
else hates you? Justifiably so, but you will

00:28:27.170 --> 00:28:32.309
have no friends. Awful. Awful. It's horrible.

00:28:33.490 --> 00:28:35.430
Well, that's a hell of a send -off. Is there

00:28:35.430 --> 00:28:38.630
anything else in fantasy we can think of? I think

00:28:38.630 --> 00:28:41.470
Skaven must top it, surely, for who has it the

00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:45.529
worst. Yeah. Life as a Noblar probably is pretty

00:28:45.529 --> 00:28:52.910
bad. As a Noblar, it's not great, but if you

00:28:52.910 --> 00:28:54.849
can prove you're a good cook, the ogres will

00:28:54.849 --> 00:28:57.430
defend you with their lives because good eats.

00:28:58.269 --> 00:29:00.910
Of course, if you're a bad cook, you are going

00:29:00.910 --> 00:29:04.829
in the pot. You are the eats. I was going to

00:29:04.829 --> 00:29:08.150
say dwarves. Cast dwarves is noblesse too, don't

00:29:08.150 --> 00:29:12.730
they? They don't really... I don't know if they

00:29:12.730 --> 00:29:16.349
suffer too much, though. The occasional depressing

00:29:16.349 --> 00:29:19.650
history thing. They take it on the chin because

00:29:19.650 --> 00:29:21.910
they're always drinking. I mean, they do take

00:29:21.910 --> 00:29:24.049
it on the chin, but they are pretty frequently

00:29:24.049 --> 00:29:27.980
like... Dwarfs are not great. It is near non

00:29:27.980 --> 00:29:30.279
-stop battles in some of those holds and the

00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:32.700
underway, because Skaven are going in from below,

00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:36.660
and then orcs are coming in from above. And then

00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:39.299
that's been happening for about 5 ,000 years

00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:42.140
in the setting. Dwarfs seem to have it probably

00:29:42.140 --> 00:29:45.299
the worst, at least conflict -wise, of order

00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:48.180
factions. I don't like the good guys. There's

00:29:48.180 --> 00:29:51.799
very few dwarf holds that are ever at peace.

00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:56.369
They're in like... maybe not quite Cadia levels

00:29:56.369 --> 00:30:01.029
of constant war, but it doesn't stop for them.

00:30:01.390 --> 00:30:04.750
It's not good being a dwarf. When it's peaceful,

00:30:04.970 --> 00:30:07.849
it's not bad. You dig your hole, you mine some

00:30:07.849 --> 00:30:10.869
gems and some gold, you drink, you do whatever

00:30:10.869 --> 00:30:12.910
craft, if that's your stick, and then you do

00:30:12.910 --> 00:30:14.569
it again the next day. Actually pretty nice.

00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:18.829
If you don't, but there are chances to just hang

00:30:18.829 --> 00:30:20.869
out and do that. Don't come very frequently.

00:30:22.269 --> 00:30:24.569
The book of grudges will never be fulfilled.

00:30:25.170 --> 00:30:29.730
It will never be clean. Is there anything else

00:30:29.730 --> 00:30:31.890
we're missing on fantasy? Chaos isn't really

00:30:31.890 --> 00:30:36.470
a... I mean, we kind of know... Chaos in general

00:30:36.470 --> 00:30:39.309
is probably the same in 40k as well. Slightly

00:30:39.309 --> 00:30:43.490
better, I think. Yeah, not as horrendous, but

00:30:43.490 --> 00:30:49.000
still bad. Slightly better, because... Fantasy

00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.180
has slightly, and I do mean slightly more emphasis

00:30:52.180 --> 00:30:56.599
on the positive traits of the Chaos Gods. But

00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.839
like, it's still the Chaos Gods. They're still

00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:06.720
bad. It's not good. What about Undead? What about

00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.220
Undead, like Tomb Kings and those guys? Oh, Vampire

00:31:10.220 --> 00:31:14.980
Counts. Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts, Undead. If

00:31:14.980 --> 00:31:17.880
you're sentient and you're in the vampire accounts,

00:31:18.019 --> 00:31:20.579
you probably have it pretty okay. Generally.

00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:24.640
Like if you're a vampire or a wight or something,

00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:25.960
I don't know. It could be worse. If you're a

00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.299
vampire, it's not all that bad. But if you're

00:31:28.299 --> 00:31:30.460
a tomb king, do you get the Captain Barbossa

00:31:30.460 --> 00:31:32.720
thing of just like, I'm always hungry and I have

00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.539
no tissues. Yeah, sometimes the tomb kings do

00:31:35.539 --> 00:31:38.859
have that sudden realization like Necrons do,

00:31:39.019 --> 00:31:41.099
where the I can't breathe, I can't breathe, where's

00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:47.619
my skin? I have a tummy upset, said Nagash. I

00:31:47.619 --> 00:31:52.359
don't know. He's built different. He simply doesn't...

00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.380
I want a yummy in my tummy. No, Tomb Kings can

00:31:56.380 --> 00:31:58.779
ironically have sometimes more fun than anyone

00:31:58.779 --> 00:32:00.880
else, though, because they respawn, they're immortal.

00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:07.000
I didn't know that, actually. You can't kill

00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.039
Tomb Kings? No, like even... more reliably than

00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.299
like reanimation protocols they're they just

00:32:12.299 --> 00:32:15.500
respawn back in the hakara dang which is die

00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:18.599
for reals though he did once yeah and then he

00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:23.519
as revenge burned down half of norsca but when

00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.960
uh when nagash pulled up to cetra did he just

00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.940
delete him uh even though we're not talking about

00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:32.140
end times it was a it was a pretty solid fight

00:32:32.140 --> 00:32:34.440
for a bit cetra was doing wheelies around him

00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.279
in his chariot and like holding up to him and

00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:42.119
then nagash was done with that fight. He ate

00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.880
their gods. Nagash could, in theory, prevent

00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.720
it. He ate them because he was hungry. He's like,

00:32:49.819 --> 00:32:53.720
oh, my tummy. Then the chaos gods brought Cetra

00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.500
back, and then Cetra said thanks. Well, they

00:32:57.500 --> 00:32:59.339
were hoping they could tempt him into serving

00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:05.599
them, but they said the words serve. So Cetra

00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:10.930
promptly said... Cetra does not serve breakfast.

00:33:13.130 --> 00:33:15.869
Tomb Kings, though, some of them just spend their

00:33:15.869 --> 00:33:18.230
whole undead lives hunting. Because they can.

00:33:19.309 --> 00:33:24.210
Yeah. Fair. Why not? Not bad. That's more fantasy,

00:33:24.349 --> 00:33:26.569
then. I don't think we've missed anything, have

00:33:26.569 --> 00:33:29.130
we? I think that's more or less fantasy. I think

00:33:29.130 --> 00:33:33.029
we have to then... We've got to breach into,

00:33:33.190 --> 00:33:35.670
we might not have time for AOS to be fair, but

00:33:35.670 --> 00:33:40.130
we should breach into 40k because it's time to

00:33:40.130 --> 00:33:43.970
start with the human factions, or human faction,

00:33:44.289 --> 00:33:48.730
the Imperium of Man. This is a bit of a difficult

00:33:48.730 --> 00:33:51.549
one. It's difficult because fantasy is like there's

00:33:51.549 --> 00:33:53.670
different kingdoms and there's other variations.

00:33:54.250 --> 00:33:58.549
The Imperium of Man is obviously a galactic spanning

00:33:58.549 --> 00:34:01.279
empire, isn't it? Depends on the planet type.

00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:05.359
Shall we divide also Imperium and Mechanicus

00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.920
as separate? Because they are human, but it's

00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.480
such a different faction. If you're a human working

00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.599
under the Mechanicus, you're on the higher end

00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:18.880
of suffering. Oh, dude. Very fucking awful. If

00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.219
you're lobotomized, can you even feel suffering?

00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.840
I feel like... the suffering there is that you've

00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.639
been lobotomized and turned into a servitor the

00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.219
suffering is you can't actually comprehend your

00:34:31.219 --> 00:34:34.260
suffering while you suffer also sometimes servitorization

00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:37.659
doesn't work properly and you're aware yeah yeah

00:34:37.659 --> 00:34:40.320
yeah there's a horrors heresy book which mentions

00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.179
like in the webway war there's a servitor who's

00:34:43.179 --> 00:34:46.219
like a lady and she remembers like being taken

00:34:46.219 --> 00:34:49.199
away from her husband and children and she remembers

00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.380
like she's a servitor in the um while she's like

00:34:52.380 --> 00:34:54.820
fighting demons it's like That's horrifying.

00:34:56.099 --> 00:34:59.619
There's two accounts I can think of where characters

00:34:59.619 --> 00:35:02.519
have their fathers servitorized and they follow

00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.659
them. There's a floating servo skull in the Atlas

00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:08.960
Infernal book which is following a rogue trader

00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.239
and it's called Father. And there's another one

00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.579
which is called Father who's like a walking servitor

00:35:13.579 --> 00:35:16.760
who's accompanying a medic for the Black Templars

00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:20.139
who's like a Medicaid, not an apothecary. It's

00:35:20.139 --> 00:35:24.010
like, come Father. Yes, daughter. Oh, no. No.

00:35:24.929 --> 00:35:28.829
Daddy got servitorized. No. But on the other

00:35:28.829 --> 00:35:30.530
end of the Imperium, your life's pretty good.

00:35:30.730 --> 00:35:32.590
It's really not that much different than how

00:35:32.590 --> 00:35:35.650
we live, just with longer work hours. Most places

00:35:35.650 --> 00:35:38.889
are, like, the overall majority do live in hive

00:35:38.889 --> 00:35:42.230
cities, though. And that's a real, like... At

00:35:42.230 --> 00:35:44.989
least, I've always operated on the assumption

00:35:44.989 --> 00:35:48.030
that, like, by number of people alive, most of

00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:52.769
them are hivers and... Ugh. It depends on what

00:35:52.769 --> 00:35:55.349
part of the city you live in, but most is the

00:35:55.349 --> 00:35:59.769
icky part. Most planets are not hive worlds,

00:35:59.889 --> 00:36:02.829
but hive worlds are so densely populated that

00:36:02.829 --> 00:36:06.090
I've always assumed at least half of mankind

00:36:06.090 --> 00:36:09.510
in 40k lives on a hive world. If we speak about

00:36:09.510 --> 00:36:13.050
the average life in 40k, it's kind of you either

00:36:13.050 --> 00:36:18.139
live and die in the hive or you get what's the

00:36:18.139 --> 00:36:21.079
word, taken into the military, called for active

00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:25.699
service, into the guard. And that's a lot of

00:36:25.699 --> 00:36:29.019
the time those guardsmen are never really going

00:36:29.019 --> 00:36:32.760
home. A lot of the time that is just because

00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:34.860
they get sent somewhere else. That's one of the

00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:37.179
few times I'll say the Imperium is slightly less

00:36:37.179 --> 00:36:40.320
shit than that. Most of what the guard is deployed

00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:44.019
against is rebelling Imperial worlds. Not even

00:36:44.019 --> 00:36:47.409
related to chaos. It's really not that bad. And

00:36:47.409 --> 00:36:49.769
they're like, wait, you're telling me I get to

00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:52.550
go on a void ship with, like, a maggot -infested,

00:36:52.570 --> 00:36:55.050
like, mattress? Sign me up. It's worse. Most

00:36:55.050 --> 00:36:57.929
people are really happy to join the guard, yeah.

00:36:58.409 --> 00:37:01.349
Depends on your planet, again, but, yeah. But

00:37:01.349 --> 00:37:05.369
then you encounter Xenos. Yeah, if you have to

00:37:05.369 --> 00:37:07.590
fight against the wrong faction, then it sucks

00:37:07.590 --> 00:37:09.590
all of a sudden. But a lot of dudes just have

00:37:09.590 --> 00:37:11.530
to, like, maybe you're part of the planetary

00:37:11.530 --> 00:37:15.449
defense force. You just have guard duty. They're

00:37:15.449 --> 00:37:17.789
the Imperial Guard, after all. So it is a lot

00:37:17.789 --> 00:37:22.690
of guard and garrison duty. But then the Necrons

00:37:22.690 --> 00:37:25.030
pull up to your planet and you... It's like,

00:37:25.090 --> 00:37:30.610
oh, good. Yeah. I feel like overall, if the average

00:37:30.610 --> 00:37:35.769
human condition in our lives is like a 5 out

00:37:35.769 --> 00:37:39.099
of 10 or whatever... 40k is probably like a three

00:37:39.099 --> 00:37:41.139
and a half or four out of ten are we comparing

00:37:41.139 --> 00:37:44.199
are we including canada in the estimation eli

00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:49.260
we're gonna go four out of ten yeah i'd probably

00:37:49.260 --> 00:37:53.099
say like an even three um just but that's just

00:37:53.099 --> 00:37:55.239
my view of how i've always like pictured how

00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:58.119
many people percentage -wise live in hives which

00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:03.590
super ass yeah skaven is zero out of ten So,

00:38:03.610 --> 00:38:05.409
comparatively, a 3 out of 10 is, like, pretty

00:38:05.409 --> 00:38:08.829
good, but it's still not good. You're not really

00:38:08.829 --> 00:38:11.889
anywhere close to a really enjoyable life, but

00:38:11.889 --> 00:38:15.030
it's survivable, and you eat to eat. Some of

00:38:15.030 --> 00:38:18.369
the upper hives, like, still isn't good. Like,

00:38:18.369 --> 00:38:22.710
when you hit 1 % of a hive worlder, you've hit,

00:38:22.769 --> 00:38:26.530
like, average, like, city apartment. That is,

00:38:26.550 --> 00:38:29.170
like, the top one. It's, like, the point... zero

00:38:29.170 --> 00:38:32.070
one percent is where it's like damn okay you

00:38:32.070 --> 00:38:35.170
kind of kind of living nice i was i was rereading

00:38:35.170 --> 00:38:37.710
the eisenhorn books and there's a part where

00:38:37.710 --> 00:38:39.849
they talk about the world of thracian primaris

00:38:39.849 --> 00:38:42.570
and it's kind of like an average hive world and

00:38:42.570 --> 00:38:44.949
it has to mention the fact like because it's

00:38:44.949 --> 00:38:49.329
a hive world the atmosphere is just like it just

00:38:49.329 --> 00:38:54.429
stinks the whole world stinks and like and even

00:38:54.429 --> 00:38:57.130
then like they had like smog covered clouds and

00:38:57.130 --> 00:38:59.860
you know even in these massive hive cities they're

00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:05.059
pretty meh like it's pretty bad and the thing

00:39:05.059 --> 00:39:06.920
is i think the difference as well one of the

00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:08.920
big differences of fancy in warhammer is the

00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:10.960
people who are like in the upper upper upper

00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.960
upper upper upper crust or they live well like

00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.440
even um reading the new word bearers book apostle

00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.699
it talks about the lower glyphs and the higher

00:39:19.699 --> 00:39:22.460
glyphs in the clouds and like it's an ecclesiarchal

00:39:22.460 --> 00:39:24.219
world and they're doing fine the ecclesiarchs

00:39:24.219 --> 00:39:26.539
having a great time it's just like all and all

00:39:26.539 --> 00:39:27.920
the people in the underhypes are like i just

00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.340
gotta keep my head down and and then like a word

00:39:30.340 --> 00:39:32.119
bearer turns up one day he's like do you want

00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.210
to join my flock and they're like yeah right

00:39:34.210 --> 00:39:37.010
it's easy it's like oh they say the emperor protects

00:39:37.010 --> 00:39:39.929
and he goes does he really and that's all the

00:39:39.929 --> 00:39:42.389
convincing it takes them to be like yeah i've

00:39:42.389 --> 00:39:47.090
had enough of this yeah it is kind of a the easiest

00:39:47.090 --> 00:39:49.349
way to get someone in the imperium to join a

00:39:49.349 --> 00:39:51.510
chaos cult is to tell them to look around for

00:39:51.510 --> 00:39:53.670
five minutes and go hey you want to not be here

00:39:53.670 --> 00:39:57.230
anymore yeah and then you end up trading it for

00:39:57.230 --> 00:40:01.159
something even worse somehow and then yeah The

00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.019
most suffering is probably in chaos and like

00:40:04.019 --> 00:40:06.519
gene stealer cult types. Although I guess if

00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.360
you're a gene stealer cultist, life's really

00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:10.780
good. Well, really good. You have a really good

00:40:10.780 --> 00:40:13.460
community. You have a great community. Gene stealer

00:40:13.460 --> 00:40:15.659
cults, it's funny. One of the signs of a gene

00:40:15.659 --> 00:40:17.800
stealer cult is things start running too well.

00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:21.460
Yeah. Nothing beats a Gene Steeler cult holiday.

00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:29.920
When the high fleet arrives on your world, the

00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.579
post -nut clarity is not worth it, surely. The

00:40:33.579 --> 00:40:38.480
post -nut. The worst human existence level is

00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:40.360
probably Chaos Cultist. I don't think you can

00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.760
get much worse than your average Chaos. There

00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.679
is empowerment in Chaos Cultists where it's like

00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:50.320
drudgery in the Imperium is so grinding. It's

00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.940
like you can work for 70 years in the Administratum.

00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.360
Your back breaks. They put a splint in it so

00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:57.880
you can still stand. You can work 20 hours a

00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.460
day, eat your slop food, then go to bed for four

00:41:00.460 --> 00:41:01.960
hours before you get up and do it again until

00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.260
you die. These are the Chaos Cultists. They're

00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:06.920
like, want to get an extra limb or some weird

00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:11.039
shit? Okay. Want to kill your boss? Okay. You

00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.429
can also end up being that 20 -hour work. day

00:41:13.429 --> 00:41:16.550
of work guy on the chaos side of things and then

00:41:16.550 --> 00:41:20.349
it's just like it's even worse you get you get

00:41:20.349 --> 00:41:23.730
like a flesh rod up your spine instead of a splint

00:41:23.730 --> 00:41:30.570
or something yeah get the special all the way

00:41:30.570 --> 00:41:33.110
up like oh no i'll never sit down you're gonna

00:41:33.110 --> 00:41:36.449
say ironically i think if there's like characters

00:41:36.449 --> 00:41:38.269
like a human characters the ones when you think

00:41:38.269 --> 00:41:41.130
of like who actually suffers It's actually the

00:41:41.130 --> 00:41:43.630
space marines who live too long. It's always

00:41:43.630 --> 00:41:45.909
the ones who are old. Like I said, it's the old

00:41:45.909 --> 00:41:50.789
men in wars, isn't it, or something. Because

00:41:50.789 --> 00:41:53.869
they've already been a child soldier. He probably

00:41:53.869 --> 00:41:55.809
had to beat to death the other child soldier

00:41:55.809 --> 00:41:59.829
to become the soldier. But then they're okay.

00:42:00.510 --> 00:42:03.750
They become a space marine. It's exciting. But

00:42:03.750 --> 00:42:07.230
it points out in the Ragnar books and even in

00:42:07.230 --> 00:42:11.510
Dante's book, when they get... too old everyone

00:42:11.510 --> 00:42:15.269
they knew who was like their group or their or

00:42:15.269 --> 00:42:17.349
even their masters or like the one the you know

00:42:17.349 --> 00:42:19.710
the younger guys just below them they're all

00:42:19.710 --> 00:42:22.769
dead and then you're kind of you know poor dante

00:42:22.769 --> 00:42:25.730
just wants to you know he wants to he wants the

00:42:25.730 --> 00:42:30.909
rope yeah i can think of one thing worse than

00:42:30.909 --> 00:42:33.809
being an old space marine being an old dreadnought

00:42:33.809 --> 00:42:36.590
that's worse yeah that is probably the worst

00:42:36.590 --> 00:42:41.579
space marine existence is john dreadnought all

00:42:41.579 --> 00:42:46.099
of those plus dementia that was fused to the

00:42:46.099 --> 00:42:48.699
whole of a ship for 10 000 years since the horse

00:42:48.699 --> 00:42:51.000
heresy i don't know why i just remember that

00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.099
guy but yeah that guy probably was suffering

00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:57.139
pretty intensely the iron warrior who gets like

00:42:57.530 --> 00:42:59.789
buried under the palace in like some mining gear

00:42:59.789 --> 00:43:02.389
and he knows he's going to die really slowly

00:43:02.389 --> 00:43:05.429
for like a few thousand years yeah under the

00:43:05.429 --> 00:43:10.829
rubble like hooray space marines yeah there's

00:43:10.829 --> 00:43:13.630
a few it is a bit sad to feel like a the only

00:43:13.630 --> 00:43:15.530
i mean like being a normal space ring they're

00:43:15.530 --> 00:43:18.170
quite excited about it to be honest they're like

00:43:18.170 --> 00:43:20.650
you know we're serving the empress you know and

00:43:20.650 --> 00:43:22.849
often like space marine fortress monasteries

00:43:22.849 --> 00:43:25.789
are nice places in terms of like you know, is

00:43:25.789 --> 00:43:28.269
there to relax slash unwind. Some of them are

00:43:28.269 --> 00:43:31.110
heading out of the chapter. Yeah, Flesh Terrors

00:43:31.110 --> 00:43:34.210
is probably a massive shithole. I also wanted

00:43:34.210 --> 00:43:37.989
to give a little shout out to the recent Skitarii

00:43:37.989 --> 00:43:40.230
character in Darktide, because that bit where,

00:43:40.309 --> 00:43:42.650
like, they strip off his armor and you see what's

00:43:42.650 --> 00:43:44.530
underneath him, like, did they take his wee -woo?

00:43:44.889 --> 00:43:47.030
Did they cut off his wee -woo? What? And he's

00:43:47.030 --> 00:43:48.690
got all these plug sockets in and he's, like,

00:43:48.690 --> 00:43:50.570
being dutiful and walking in and he's got, like,

00:43:50.570 --> 00:43:53.269
no limbs left apart from mechanical, like, that

00:43:53.269 --> 00:43:55.650
can't be fun. I mean, doing your duty and being

00:43:55.650 --> 00:43:57.789
like indoctrinated into the machine code is one

00:43:57.789 --> 00:44:01.610
thing, but also like, where are his eyes? What

00:44:01.610 --> 00:44:03.389
happened to his mouth? But they suffer to our

00:44:03.389 --> 00:44:06.849
perception, but they're loving it. Yeah. That's

00:44:06.849 --> 00:44:10.110
the thing. They're into it. Like Eli said, working

00:44:10.110 --> 00:44:12.849
underneath the Mechanicus. I think of like Tau

00:44:12.849 --> 00:44:16.730
Conveyor Belt into the Kelly Lava Volcano. That

00:44:16.730 --> 00:44:21.349
was hilarious. So stupid, bro. the mechanic is

00:44:21.349 --> 00:44:23.150
they do they're they're enjoying it you know

00:44:23.150 --> 00:44:24.809
i mean like they see a toaster and they're like

00:44:24.809 --> 00:44:28.369
fizzing with not you know yeah but being a forge

00:44:28.369 --> 00:44:30.650
world guy that that's where the 20 -hour work

00:44:30.650 --> 00:44:33.570
shift you sleep under the conveyor belt and then

00:44:33.570 --> 00:44:36.110
get bet you that's like the worst or you can

00:44:36.110 --> 00:44:39.230
be a like a ship crew on the lowest lowest decks

00:44:39.230 --> 00:44:43.030
of the ship crew that's all yeah he sucks that's

00:44:43.030 --> 00:44:45.010
your entire existence too like you're enslaved

00:44:45.010 --> 00:44:48.320
forever and you never They just, like, take people.

00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.360
Usually criminals, I guess, but sometimes, like

00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.079
in the Silent King book, it's just a random dude

00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.639
who has to grease doors for the rest of his life

00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.659
until he goes crazy. There's also, like, you

00:44:58.659 --> 00:45:01.000
can also be born into that job, especially on

00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.480
the ships. Like, you're born on that ship. Your

00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.679
dad was the guy who cleaned this specific bolt.

00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.260
You will now clean this specific bolt, and your

00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:12.500
children will be cleaning that specific bolt.

00:45:13.710 --> 00:45:17.590
In the Night Lords trilogy, their ship is just

00:45:17.590 --> 00:45:22.329
full of captured slaves, and it's so pitch black

00:45:22.329 --> 00:45:24.050
and dark because they're Night Lords, so they

00:45:24.050 --> 00:45:26.429
don't want to have too much lighting. And they're

00:45:26.429 --> 00:45:28.769
in a main society, but they're like, yeah, by

00:45:28.769 --> 00:45:32.190
the way, there are roaming gangs of murderers,

00:45:32.210 --> 00:45:34.610
and occasionally we actually have to interact

00:45:34.610 --> 00:45:37.369
with the space marine, you know, terrifying space

00:45:37.369 --> 00:45:40.619
marine. the wrong because they literally need

00:45:40.619 --> 00:45:42.780
to mention like by the way there's a demon in

00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:46.539
the corridor so you need to go kill it uh pretty

00:45:46.539 --> 00:45:48.320
oh yeah and not as worse than that is actually

00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.840
being killed by the astartes so they you know

00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:55.440
they flay i think emperor's children uh called

00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:58.460
slave is probably the worst you can serve under

00:45:58.460 --> 00:46:01.900
for chaos but they're enjoying that though yeah

00:46:01.900 --> 00:46:06.969
but usually not usually not willingly you get

00:46:06.969 --> 00:46:09.909
captured and then they like then you have to

00:46:09.909 --> 00:46:11.469
go through all of that stuff and you don't like

00:46:11.469 --> 00:46:14.510
it very much uh unless they give you lots of

00:46:14.510 --> 00:46:17.730
drugs and then you'll like it i guess but before

00:46:17.730 --> 00:46:20.449
we um before we get any further though uh there's

00:46:20.449 --> 00:46:22.570
been a few more of the uh donations that we'll

00:46:22.570 --> 00:46:24.489
get to thank you very much guys thank you guys

00:46:24.489 --> 00:46:26.409
it's all quite a few happening i really appreciate

00:46:26.409 --> 00:46:37.789
it Well, we did Orcs earlier, to be fair. We

00:46:37.789 --> 00:46:39.130
kind of said they were similar. Orcs are fine.

00:46:39.309 --> 00:46:41.530
Grot life sucks, but everything else is fine.

00:46:41.929 --> 00:46:46.849
Now, Eldar. 40k Eldar is definitely worse than

00:46:46.849 --> 00:46:52.449
fantasies like Elds. Maybe normal Eldar. While

00:46:52.449 --> 00:46:55.289
they're alive, craft worlds are pretty nice to

00:46:55.289 --> 00:47:00.230
live on. True. It's just then death and instant,

00:47:00.349 --> 00:47:04.309
you know. Yeah. The path system is pretty...

00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.380
Pretty rough, too, to be fair, but it could be

00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:10.079
worse. Your society's really nice. Yeah. And

00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.300
if you're not careful, you get, like, uber depression,

00:47:13.460 --> 00:47:16.659
like, beyond the imagining of any human being

00:47:16.659 --> 00:47:21.119
could think of. Or spiraling back into the, you

00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.619
know, bad habits that birthed Slaanesh. Yeah.

00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:25.139
But, I mean, to be fair, overall, they probably

00:47:25.139 --> 00:47:27.199
actually have some of the best lives in 40k.

00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:32.239
Yeah, no. As a whole, the race is just... You

00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.440
know, they're dying. Yeah, but they do take sabbaticals

00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:36.519
where it's just like, I'm going to spend the

00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:39.400
next ten years being a painter. Yeah. You can

00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.219
do that? And all the hivers are like, you can

00:47:41.219 --> 00:47:44.420
do that? That is an idea. And I'm in the mines.

00:47:45.260 --> 00:47:48.179
Yeah. I mean, it could be worse. I'm just in

00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:52.179
my drink. Oh, you poor human. I think Farseer

00:47:52.179 --> 00:47:55.460
is probably the most suffering general regular

00:47:55.460 --> 00:47:57.780
Eldar, I feel like, other than the dead ones.

00:47:58.539 --> 00:48:01.119
They turn into crystal, I don't know. Also, seeing

00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:03.440
the future is not that, it's probably not actually

00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:05.719
enjoyable. No, I mean, especially it's, you know,

00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.800
40k, the future is usually portents of immense

00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:12.260
doom, and watching, you know, what I assume to

00:48:12.260 --> 00:48:16.039
be high -definition visuals of your friends dying,

00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:18.719
and you know that, like, you can prevent it,

00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:21.260
maybe, but, like, if you don't, that is happening.

00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.679
Yeah. So, not good. Yeah, but Average Elder,

00:48:25.820 --> 00:48:27.679
pretty good. Average Dark Elder, on the other

00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:32.539
hand. not oh not great they are also enjoying

00:48:32.539 --> 00:48:36.320
themselves though they are but most of the time

00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.280
you have to deal with other ones trying to kill

00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.079
you all the time a camaraderie is a shithole

00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:43.860
it's mentioned in that um attack blackhawk book

00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:47.619
isn't it like when the the main female dark elder

00:48:47.619 --> 00:48:51.059
in the uh the novel she mentions like her being

00:48:51.059 --> 00:48:54.849
a child and they're not like born evil but they

00:48:54.849 --> 00:48:59.849
are slowly broken by their experiences. Yeah,

00:48:59.849 --> 00:49:02.309
even she's a bit repulsed when they hurt someone

00:49:02.309 --> 00:49:04.710
initially, but then they make it so that they

00:49:04.710 --> 00:49:07.849
learn to love it. It's worse if you're not a

00:49:07.849 --> 00:49:10.849
true -born, because then they all have Karens,

00:49:10.849 --> 00:49:12.469
so mum's like, don't you know my son is a true

00:49:12.469 --> 00:49:15.349
-born? He's PR. So you get more bullied if you're

00:49:15.349 --> 00:49:17.570
not a true -blood. These people could all follow

00:49:17.570 --> 00:49:19.309
the path, by the way. They could all just follow

00:49:19.309 --> 00:49:23.420
the path and stop being evil. Although one thing

00:49:23.420 --> 00:49:28.019
I did also want to mention is in a book I've

00:49:28.019 --> 00:49:31.920
read, The Path of the Warrior, it's like a whole

00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.820
story about one of the guys who becomes a striking

00:49:33.820 --> 00:49:36.380
scorpion. And you read another book? I read them

00:49:36.380 --> 00:49:41.840
all. And he gets like kind of not tricked, but

00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:43.980
he just kind of gets like lured into becoming

00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:49.510
a part of the Phoenix Lord's armor. and it kind

00:49:49.510 --> 00:49:52.969
of subsumes his own identity into the suit and

00:49:52.969 --> 00:49:55.650
all the spirit stones i'm like that's also kind

00:49:55.650 --> 00:49:58.530
of terrifying that like after he dons it his

00:49:58.530 --> 00:50:01.329
like soul itself and personality is just kind

00:50:01.329 --> 00:50:04.989
of like amalgamed into a gestalt and he's no

00:50:04.989 --> 00:50:07.530
longer himself he's just like i am this person

00:50:07.530 --> 00:50:10.610
now yeah also horrifying it sucks to get stuck

00:50:10.610 --> 00:50:14.090
in the infinity circuit and whatnot as well yeah

00:50:14.090 --> 00:50:17.929
it's not a good afterlife it's still numb It's

00:50:17.929 --> 00:50:20.869
better than every Chaos Worshipper's afterlife

00:50:20.869 --> 00:50:26.130
by infinity times. Unless it's manipulated by

00:50:26.130 --> 00:50:29.389
a Chaos Sorcerer or eaten by Tyranids. Then it

00:50:29.389 --> 00:50:34.769
sucks worse. That just kind of turns into a normal

00:50:34.769 --> 00:50:37.269
Chaos afterlife at that point. Yeah, it's true.

00:50:37.929 --> 00:50:41.250
Also, we don't actually know how... If Slaanesh

00:50:41.250 --> 00:50:44.150
consumes your soul, does she consume them or

00:50:44.150 --> 00:50:46.250
does she eternally torture them, or is it both?

00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.340
and whenever whatever she feels like is it what

00:50:48.340 --> 00:50:51.019
is the idea but also consuming doesn't get rid

00:50:51.019 --> 00:50:53.559
of them at least because yeah it mostly works

00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:55.619
the same between the settings in an age of sigmar

00:50:55.619 --> 00:50:57.500
they were able to punch her in the tummy until

00:50:57.500 --> 00:51:00.820
she puked up elf souls i still don't quite know

00:51:00.820 --> 00:51:04.219
how the homunculi get around oh you can be taken

00:51:04.219 --> 00:51:08.079
by the next i get you back like yeah it's just

00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.019
the whole i have your finger thing so you're

00:51:11.019 --> 00:51:15.409
like soul is still safe is a little bit uh bad

00:51:15.409 --> 00:51:17.690
i don't know they couldn't think of anything

00:51:17.690 --> 00:51:19.989
so they just said that so that dark elders even

00:51:19.989 --> 00:51:24.030
like a millennia dead drukari emperor they bring

00:51:24.030 --> 00:51:26.250
him back with like a fragment of his body and

00:51:26.250 --> 00:51:28.230
they're like we have to sacrifice a super innocent

00:51:28.230 --> 00:51:32.030
soul so they steal an exodite lady and they like

00:51:32.030 --> 00:51:33.969
torture her and they don't kill her they just

00:51:33.969 --> 00:51:36.369
torture her alone and then that's enough torment

00:51:36.369 --> 00:51:38.530
from an innocent soul to bring him back i'm like

00:51:38.530 --> 00:51:43.429
that seems strange i don't know i don't know

00:51:44.489 --> 00:51:46.929
It justifies the true car is existence a little

00:51:46.929 --> 00:51:49.329
bit more. Mind you, they're still not justified

00:51:49.329 --> 00:51:50.989
because they don't need to do any of this, but

00:51:50.989 --> 00:51:54.309
it makes it make more sense if they can actually

00:51:54.309 --> 00:51:57.849
come back by having a finger cut off. Biggest

00:51:57.849 --> 00:51:59.389
squigging says you have to revive them in the

00:51:59.389 --> 00:52:02.110
date. Now, if it's like you, this guy was dead

00:52:02.110 --> 00:52:04.289
for millennia and then they like brought them

00:52:04.289 --> 00:52:07.469
back millennia later, but it was just like, you

00:52:07.469 --> 00:52:09.929
have to have a really like bespoke sacrifice

00:52:09.929 --> 00:52:13.300
to do it. uh but also like you can bring demons

00:52:13.300 --> 00:52:15.880
in with them yeah like the longer they're dead

00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:18.559
the bigger chance there is of like demons happening

00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:23.199
speaking of uh maybe that's not a great existence

00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.559
what's the average experience of necrons because

00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.320
that's kind of not really an experience almost

00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:33.460
it's more of a i mean necron warriors are just

00:52:33.460 --> 00:52:37.360
described as like it's really hard to it's really

00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.690
hard it's like an echo it's like an echo of the

00:52:39.690 --> 00:52:42.130
person itself but it's so subsumed by necron

00:52:42.130 --> 00:52:44.289
yeah they don't know that they're aware but they

00:52:44.289 --> 00:52:45.989
also like some part of them does know they're

00:52:45.989 --> 00:52:47.750
aware at the same time and it's like you're trapped

00:52:47.750 --> 00:52:51.449
in this prison forever i think they flit in between

00:52:51.449 --> 00:52:54.489
like a tiny little consciousness knowing that

00:52:54.489 --> 00:52:58.130
it's trapped forever and not knowing uh it's

00:52:58.130 --> 00:53:01.230
not an overly easy concept to grasp i actually

00:53:01.230 --> 00:53:04.909
have an interesting take on this i think all

00:53:04.909 --> 00:53:09.239
the necrons are actually like hear me out dead

00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:12.400
but as in the necron tier they're actually all

00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:17.000
like tracing the infinite is dead dead and when

00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.179
they make the necrons that's like an imprint

00:53:19.179 --> 00:53:22.619
so the actual real one of them is fully dead

00:53:22.619 --> 00:53:26.079
and they're not necessarily like beings anymore

00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.880
they're kind of a copy of what they were that's

00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:32.829
why they can't change Well, that's like the whole

00:53:32.829 --> 00:53:35.670
philosophical. Did you know, I think it's every

00:53:35.670 --> 00:53:38.670
seven, eight years, every cell in your body is

00:53:38.670 --> 00:53:41.710
replaced by new cells. So technically, the person

00:53:41.710 --> 00:53:43.989
you were seven or so years ago wasn't actually

00:53:43.989 --> 00:53:46.309
you. It was a different person on a cellular

00:53:46.309 --> 00:53:49.610
level. So aren't we all just necrons in a way?

00:53:50.289 --> 00:53:55.289
Well, it's the consciousness upload thing where

00:53:55.289 --> 00:53:57.550
your consciousness doesn't actually get uploaded.

00:53:57.590 --> 00:53:59.630
It gets copied and replaced and you just die.

00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:03.019
but i mean we don't know that some of the necrons

00:54:03.019 --> 00:54:06.980
have little like flicker soul moments so but

00:54:06.980 --> 00:54:08.800
i thought they mentioned they don't have souls

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.000
though it's not the whole that's the idea but

00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:13.440
then like characters like xandric and oberon

00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.559
have moments that imply otherwise but then what

00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.099
like sisters of silence don't have souls but

00:54:19.099 --> 00:54:23.579
they have a mind yeah the whole yeah it's i don't

00:54:23.579 --> 00:54:25.320
know if that's the thing like what is this like

00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:28.639
it's a blank though blanks don't not have a soul

00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:32.280
i think it yeah i guess their soul is null as

00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:34.940
in like their soul is like an anti -psychic thing

00:54:34.940 --> 00:54:38.239
rather than a pro -psychic thing yeah something

00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:44.239
weird about that yeah maybe uber negative soul

00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:48.079
but um the necrons still have capability to think

00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:50.599
and do things well i mean the nobility the high

00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.250
ups it literally is a machine though like in

00:54:53.250 --> 00:54:55.369
a sense of it being like it's a weird way of

00:54:55.369 --> 00:54:57.610
doing machines but it's a machine yeah well like

00:54:57.610 --> 00:54:59.710
twice the king type stuff from the actual perspective

00:54:59.710 --> 00:55:01.650
of an ekron they have perspective and they have

00:55:01.650 --> 00:55:03.989
thought and they have consciousness to some kind

00:55:03.989 --> 00:55:07.289
of degree it's like it's like it's not normal

00:55:07.289 --> 00:55:09.130
technology you gotta remember it's like arcane

00:55:09.130 --> 00:55:12.849
wizardry technology created by the freaking stars

00:55:12.849 --> 00:55:15.230
is that weird argument of like if you would like

00:55:15.230 --> 00:55:17.570
to torture that thing are you torturing a thing

00:55:17.570 --> 00:55:20.269
that experience it in zeros and ones or is it

00:55:20.570 --> 00:55:23.570
a chemical thing going on their brain and so

00:55:23.570 --> 00:55:26.829
is it life you know i mean are you really what's

00:55:26.829 --> 00:55:29.869
the difference between simulated suffering information

00:55:29.869 --> 00:55:34.570
going into a into a data bank to a bunch of chemicals

00:55:34.570 --> 00:55:38.889
going into a meat tissue it's like it's information

00:55:38.889 --> 00:55:43.170
of a sort it's going into a repository that creates

00:55:43.170 --> 00:55:45.570
inputs and outputs it's like is we're getting

00:55:45.570 --> 00:55:51.050
into like yeah this is like ai robots the calculators

00:55:51.050 --> 00:55:55.570
go to heaven etc you know there's no such thing

00:55:55.570 --> 00:55:58.269
as silicon heaven no such thing where do all

00:55:58.269 --> 00:56:01.250
the calculators go they just die calculators

00:56:01.250 --> 00:56:06.829
just die necron suffer pretty badly most of the

00:56:06.829 --> 00:56:09.010
time unless you're like a goofy higher up guy

00:56:09.010 --> 00:56:10.909
like someone like zandrek and over on have it

00:56:10.909 --> 00:56:14.210
pretty dang good some of the best in 40k something

00:56:14.210 --> 00:56:17.619
like treason has it okay more or less he's pretty

00:56:17.619 --> 00:56:19.679
grumpy but he's i mean he's funny at least i

00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:23.599
don't know but like someone like uh i don't know

00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:26.179
most of the necron characters have it okay to

00:56:26.179 --> 00:56:29.880
be honest it's more you're more suffering if

00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:34.260
you're the lower cast uh what would you say for

00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:37.460
so we also have on our list tyranids i don't

00:56:37.460 --> 00:56:40.280
even know if you could say that tyranids because

00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.940
they're not conscious doesn't really suffer they

00:56:43.940 --> 00:56:46.960
dive into the digestion pool and become like

00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.920
they have a nervous system theoretically like

00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.619
they can feel pain oh i have a reference actually

00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:55.679
uh when fabius bile captured that neurophrope

00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.059
and tortured it and it asked the space marines

00:56:58.059 --> 00:57:01.099
please kill me i'm in so much pain they suffer

00:57:01.099 --> 00:57:05.360
they can suffer yeah i guess it depends on what

00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:08.039
kind of yeah i mean like yeah they can they can

00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:12.199
feel pain or they're not like conscious beings

00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:14.360
so it's a different kind of suffering i think

00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:19.139
uh i don't know how to describe it but is it

00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:22.420
like the the um the synapse creatures are more

00:57:22.420 --> 00:57:25.679
like assuming direct control they just they take

00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.019
control of the body but the body has its own

00:57:28.019 --> 00:57:30.619
mind that then gets like sequestered away and

00:57:30.619 --> 00:57:33.119
then it comes back when the the or is it just

00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:37.110
instinct I don't know. Fabulous. It would suggest

00:57:37.110 --> 00:57:39.510
that at least the synapse creatures that can

00:57:39.510 --> 00:57:43.010
do that have some kind of mind. It's true. Things

00:57:43.010 --> 00:57:47.090
like lictors as well have some kind of something

00:57:47.090 --> 00:57:52.969
going on. But again, it's like trying to compare

00:57:52.969 --> 00:57:57.820
a gorilla with a human. so like the neurons and

00:57:57.820 --> 00:57:59.519
the brains are somewhat in the same but we are

00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:02.039
still so like there's such a big divide and rift

00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:04.159
between the two things it's really hard to comprehend

00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:07.119
the i don't know i saw a video recently of like

00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:08.860
a guy did a backflip in front of some monkeys

00:58:08.860 --> 00:58:13.699
in like a zoo i've seen guys do that in real

00:58:13.699 --> 00:58:15.699
life they did that exact reaction like we're

00:58:15.699 --> 00:58:19.480
not so different it's kind of it's kind of it's

00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:21.940
not really possible for us to actually comprehend

00:58:21.940 --> 00:58:26.070
uh not having a consciousness and stuff i don't

00:58:26.070 --> 00:58:29.610
know maybe it is it's very hard to figure that

00:58:29.610 --> 00:58:32.070
out what it would be like this is getting so

00:58:32.070 --> 00:58:35.510
like philosophical and goofy necrons can suffer

00:58:35.510 --> 00:58:38.250
or not before we were born we didn't have a consciousness

00:58:38.250 --> 00:58:41.230
for millennia but we don't remember not having

00:58:41.230 --> 00:58:43.070
a consciousness for millennia speak for yourself

00:58:43.070 --> 00:58:47.949
or call in the the omnipresent yeah colin hasn't

00:58:47.949 --> 00:58:50.269
called hasn't gooned since last november he's

00:58:50.269 --> 00:58:54.500
officially can levitate now Yeah, dude. No, we're

00:58:54.500 --> 00:58:56.760
going to stop that one. Pancreas, no semen retention.

00:58:59.780 --> 00:59:03.679
Moving on. Moving on. I refuse to talk about

00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:10.000
League of Otan. I refuse. I love Deep Rock Galactic.

00:59:11.380 --> 00:59:15.699
Aside from the Eldar, an average Tau citizen

00:59:15.699 --> 00:59:19.239
has it best in 40k, in my opinion. Pretty good.

00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:22.429
Yeah, absolutely. They're actually respected

00:59:22.429 --> 00:59:26.530
by the leaders. They have a good life, generally.

00:59:27.010 --> 00:59:30.510
How does the supposed pheromone shenanigans factor

00:59:30.510 --> 00:59:33.269
into this? I don't care. It's Phil Kelly lore.

00:59:33.429 --> 00:59:37.050
It's stupid. I think it's a misdirection. I really

00:59:37.050 --> 00:59:39.070
don't think it's true. It's such a nothing burger.

00:59:39.309 --> 00:59:41.130
It's such a nothing burger. Because it's not

00:59:41.130 --> 00:59:43.849
in any other of the books except for the Farsight

00:59:43.849 --> 00:59:47.610
books. it's such a nothing the controller's belief

00:59:47.610 --> 00:59:50.389
like i swear it's just all like that's the thing

00:59:50.389 --> 00:59:52.750
of like you're not so they wouldn't have thought

00:59:52.750 --> 00:59:56.650
to question ethereal their entire life so that's

00:59:56.650 --> 00:59:58.929
why i mean they're kind of low -key manipulated

00:59:58.929 --> 01:00:03.250
but also yeah like okay look be sure maybe the

01:00:03.250 --> 01:00:06.590
ethereals are mind controlling some people and

01:00:06.590 --> 01:00:09.010
manipulating people to do their bidding and that

01:00:09.010 --> 01:00:11.969
is evil But that doesn't mean that the Tau don't

01:00:11.969 --> 01:00:14.110
have the best lives in 40k on average and that

01:00:14.110 --> 01:00:16.750
they live in comfort and a good society with

01:00:16.750 --> 01:00:22.349
low crime and have food to eat and healthcare.

01:00:23.630 --> 01:00:25.949
They have funny Kroot friends who are like, when

01:00:25.949 --> 01:00:27.130
I eat things, I look like that. Also, it's a

01:00:27.130 --> 01:00:31.929
nothing burger. It's a catachan. Good for you,

01:00:32.090 --> 01:00:35.610
Greg the Kroot. Ah, my friend, Greg the Kroot.

01:00:35.670 --> 01:00:39.070
We like other aliens when they're nice to us.

01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:46.059
also if your criteria for like you know bad life

01:00:46.059 --> 01:00:49.079
is being manipulated welcome to everyone in 40k

01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:55.900
except in real life i guess yeah it's true i

01:00:55.900 --> 01:00:57.739
think the town probably have a best aside from

01:00:57.739 --> 01:01:00.219
me honestly maybe better than the lr but we don't

01:01:00.219 --> 01:01:01.780
actually know what happens to town after they

01:01:01.780 --> 01:01:04.940
die so it's kind of can't get much worse than

01:01:04.940 --> 01:01:08.329
like torment by an actual malevolent god i suppose

01:01:08.329 --> 01:01:13.449
yeah i don't know is there any um small imprints

01:01:13.449 --> 01:01:14.949
in the warp that they probably just don't go

01:01:14.949 --> 01:01:16.809
anywhere they're just like they're they're such

01:01:16.809 --> 01:01:20.289
like a faint glimmer of like i don't know what

01:01:20.289 --> 01:01:22.929
you call it but like immaterial presence that

01:01:22.929 --> 01:01:25.750
they just probably like extinguish that's the

01:01:25.750 --> 01:01:28.409
idea i guess is there any um particularly for

01:01:28.409 --> 01:01:31.769
characters you think who suffer the most in 40k

01:01:31.769 --> 01:01:34.929
because i have one i'm thinking of i don't know

01:01:34.929 --> 01:01:38.599
how to top it it's the emperor the emperor yeah

01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:43.139
yeah he's suffering suffering to explain to people

01:01:43.139 --> 01:01:46.300
he is obviously like technically he dies every

01:01:46.300 --> 01:01:49.260
single day and then he is reborn with the sacrifice

01:01:49.260 --> 01:01:52.059
of a thousand psychos as a dan abnett says so

01:01:52.059 --> 01:01:55.300
he's basically continuously dying and being reborn

01:01:55.300 --> 01:02:00.519
every single day and uh yeah and he's a rotting

01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:04.179
corpse still on a throne And his consciousness

01:02:04.179 --> 01:02:07.460
and power is like beyond his control. So it's

01:02:07.460 --> 01:02:11.900
bad. Poor guy. That one Moff Eton shirt that

01:02:11.900 --> 01:02:14.119
you can't live without. So you put it through

01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.079
the wash every day you use it. And then it gets

01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.260
more holes in it. And you start gaffer tape,

01:02:19.340 --> 01:02:21.760
like sewing bits back on. It's like, no, I like

01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.880
this t -shirt. It's like, let me go. Let me be

01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:27.179
buy a new t -shirt. No. And it's got a few more

01:02:27.179 --> 01:02:32.719
wears in it. No. Sure. You mean underwear? There's

01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:34.639
probably no one in Warhammer who suffers more

01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:37.420
than the Emperor, to be honest. I can't think

01:02:37.420 --> 01:02:39.860
of an example. I think the thing about the Emperor,

01:02:39.940 --> 01:02:42.460
though, is he's too powerful to be in certain

01:02:42.460 --> 01:02:45.980
circumstances. If I compared him to Uriel Ventress,

01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:48.239
not that I'm saying he suffered more than Uriel

01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:52.099
Ventress, but he hasn't been sewn into a lady

01:02:52.099 --> 01:02:55.139
who's been grafted to a demon and then almost

01:02:55.139 --> 01:02:57.960
birthed into an abomination because he's too

01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.369
powerful. He can't go through... that kind of

01:03:00.369 --> 01:03:03.690
humiliating slash disgusting thing. It's kind

01:03:03.690 --> 01:03:07.429
of like high suffering. You've got high fancy

01:03:07.429 --> 01:03:10.590
and low fancy. It's like, oh, I'm above mediocre

01:03:10.590 --> 01:03:14.250
and tedious suffering. I go through super suffering,

01:03:14.369 --> 01:03:17.289
and therefore it's kind of like you're not going

01:03:17.289 --> 01:03:19.170
to start to death in the bottom of a high. He's

01:03:19.170 --> 01:03:23.809
got suffering premium. Yeah, exactly. He's got

01:03:23.809 --> 01:03:26.510
the agony of being the emperor, but he also has

01:03:26.510 --> 01:03:29.610
the weight of entire humanity on his... uh shoulders

01:03:29.610 --> 01:03:33.610
and he has to like work ceaselessly to make sure

01:03:33.610 --> 01:03:36.590
humanity is not consumed by chaos etc etc i don't

01:03:36.590 --> 01:03:38.989
i don't he probably suffers the most overall

01:03:38.989 --> 01:03:42.230
even though it is a different level of suffering

01:03:42.230 --> 01:03:44.150
it is true it's a different type of suffering

01:03:44.150 --> 01:03:46.969
and also there's something to be said about tolerance

01:03:46.969 --> 01:03:51.289
how does that factor into suffering true the

01:03:51.289 --> 01:03:54.610
one who suffers the most are all it's just beastman

01:03:54.610 --> 01:03:58.940
players and that's the universe oh yeah That's

01:03:58.940 --> 01:04:03.320
the only fact of any Warhammer enjoyer. And probably,

01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:05.920
I mean, he was the forgotten faction of 40. Probably

01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:07.380
actually Tau players, because you guys would

01:04:07.380 --> 01:04:09.900
barely get any detachments and everything. I

01:04:09.900 --> 01:04:12.840
mean, Tau are S tier right now, I think. Oh,

01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.900
they got rid of that. Don't worry. There aren't

01:04:15.900 --> 01:04:18.940
two ways to play them. To be fair, they didn't

01:04:18.940 --> 01:04:20.840
even nerf us that bad. But they made the freaking

01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:23.599
Tiger Strike plus 50 points, a model that wasn't

01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:29.309
legally playable until this update. I literally

01:04:29.309 --> 01:04:30.889
saw that and I thought of you and I thought,

01:04:30.889 --> 01:04:32.170
oh my God. Literally, what is wrong with these

01:04:32.170 --> 01:04:34.989
people? What is wrong? Genuinely, what is wrong

01:04:34.989 --> 01:04:37.789
with these people? Whatever, whatever, whatever.

01:04:39.070 --> 01:04:43.469
Yeah, it's bad. I say, to be fair, we could do

01:04:43.469 --> 01:04:45.590
AOS quickly if you wanted to. We've probably

01:04:45.590 --> 01:04:48.070
got time. Maybe we should pick out the highlight

01:04:48.070 --> 01:04:50.309
ones, I think, because I would only say really

01:04:50.309 --> 01:04:53.900
the one that I think of. Admech players suffer

01:04:53.900 --> 01:04:56.219
the most. Admech players probably suffer the

01:04:56.219 --> 01:04:59.659
most. Their armies constantly suck, and it's

01:04:59.659 --> 01:05:01.579
the most expensive army, and it's hard to build

01:05:01.579 --> 01:05:08.599
and paint. Stiltman. That is good. Chaos players

01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:12.619
have all the trim. We do have all the trim with

01:05:12.619 --> 01:05:17.420
Chaos players, but it's weirdly masochistic.

01:05:17.659 --> 01:05:22.139
I think people enjoy the challenge. how was our

01:05:22.139 --> 01:05:24.300
how was our 40k section quicker than fantasy

01:05:24.300 --> 01:05:26.000
or is it the exact same amount of time actually

01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:27.760
i think it's about the same amount of time people

01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.579
because we didn't we didn't cover orcs and to

01:05:30.579 --> 01:05:33.159
be fair we were also just like our humans oh

01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:37.360
yeah no contest did we miss any factions in 40k

01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:40.679
i don't think so leaves a vote but we're not

01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:45.090
like they they suffer at the hands of hell Hal

01:05:45.090 --> 01:05:47.889
ensures that each one of them, if Hal was a 40k

01:05:47.889 --> 01:05:50.429
entity, you would constantly torment the leagues

01:05:50.429 --> 01:05:53.889
of OTAN. Well, I wouldn't do that, because they're

01:05:53.889 --> 01:05:55.789
the ones that are actually tormenting me, thank

01:05:55.789 --> 01:05:58.389
you very much. They call him the prospector of

01:05:58.389 --> 01:06:05.250
despair. They just disgust me in the waste opportunity

01:06:05.250 --> 01:06:09.230
that they've become. We didn't mention this was

01:06:09.230 --> 01:06:11.480
a battle if you wanted to. Real quick. I feel

01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:13.980
like most sisters are kind of happy at the end

01:06:13.980 --> 01:06:16.320
of the day. There was a horrible thing I read

01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.380
in Atlas Infernal where Ahriman captures a living

01:06:19.380 --> 01:06:22.019
saint and then kills her over and over and over

01:06:22.019 --> 01:06:25.920
and over again via like warp fire. But because

01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:27.960
she's a living saint, she comes back and then

01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:29.619
she's burned alive and then she comes back and

01:06:29.619 --> 01:06:31.920
then she's burned. And then that's pretty nasty.

01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:36.000
It's pretty nasty. What about being a demon?

01:06:36.909 --> 01:06:38.590
Do you even have free thought at that point?

01:06:38.670 --> 01:06:42.130
Does it even matter? Who are you asking is the

01:06:42.130 --> 01:06:44.570
answer to that question in particular. Demons

01:06:44.570 --> 01:06:49.949
do suffer. I remember Kugaf being bullied in

01:06:49.949 --> 01:06:53.469
Godblight by the Rainmaker. What's he called?

01:06:54.110 --> 01:06:56.969
Rotticus? And he's just like, you're stupid.

01:06:57.210 --> 01:07:00.010
I'm the best now. You're a little embryo thingy

01:07:00.010 --> 01:07:05.630
in the garden. They're talking to the tattle

01:07:05.630 --> 01:07:08.960
slug, aren't they? Tattleslug, Tattleslug. Do

01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:11.719
you know what the Tattleslug is, Colin? I don't

01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:17.820
know. It's a Nurgle snail. The Nurgle demons,

01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:21.400
they love this thing. It's a Nurgle snail. Infiltrate.

01:07:21.860 --> 01:07:25.780
And it's like, Tattleslug. Tattleslug, Tattleslug.

01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:27.800
And it basically infiltrates and it acts as a

01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.679
little listening device. It's like a little Nurgle

01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:35.030
snail and they love it. i love it it's so fun

01:07:35.030 --> 01:07:37.409
it's so fucking like the actual dark imperium

01:07:37.409 --> 01:07:39.849
trilogy is quite the first book is like okay

01:07:39.849 --> 01:07:42.650
and then the other two are like quite good because

01:07:42.650 --> 01:07:45.289
yeah they're almost like one book to be honest

01:07:45.289 --> 01:07:49.550
but they're quite good and certain demons have

01:07:49.550 --> 01:07:51.150
like chips on their shoulders and grudges like

01:07:51.150 --> 01:07:55.110
scar brand and um uh the other one they have

01:07:55.110 --> 01:07:57.820
like a feud and then there's like the changeling

01:07:57.820 --> 01:08:00.260
is like oh i wish i could turn back to my original

01:08:00.260 --> 01:08:02.039
self and seem just like i know what you used

01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:04.320
to look like but i'm not gonna tell you because

01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:06.940
then you'll not be my pawn and like the handmaiden

01:08:06.940 --> 01:08:10.320
being exiled because slanesh had like a bad day

01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:13.139
where nurgle and corn ganged up on her and then

01:08:13.139 --> 01:08:14.940
say i'll make you feel better with a dance and

01:08:14.940 --> 01:08:18.079
it's like baff and yeah so the demons do have

01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:21.119
like oh yeah suffering yes we definitely can

01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:24.199
should we read uh donations real quick and then

01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:29.060
do fantasy really fast uh aos i mean aos yeah

01:08:29.060 --> 01:08:33.579
sorry i'm too busy looking at the uh freaking

01:08:33.579 --> 01:08:36.579
temple run on the screen right now with columns

01:08:36.579 --> 01:08:39.060
yeah let's go for it it's making me want to play

01:08:39.060 --> 01:08:44.539
total war we should uh so now it's we'll cover

01:08:44.539 --> 01:08:49.789
briefly um aos really i think The human factions

01:08:49.789 --> 01:08:52.310
aren't terrible other than the fact that like

01:08:52.310 --> 01:08:54.689
there's just kind of like with 40k and fancy

01:08:54.689 --> 01:08:57.329
There's just enemies around the only one I can

01:08:57.329 --> 01:09:00.369
really think of he was suffering like bad is

01:09:00.369 --> 01:09:05.270
The or they called the others not CL's with oh

01:09:05.270 --> 01:09:07.289
my god blanking on the night in that deep good.

01:09:07.289 --> 01:09:09.649
I didn't it's deep kid Yeah, that one is pretty

01:09:09.649 --> 01:09:11.670
bad in terms like most of them are like born

01:09:11.670 --> 01:09:14.920
kind of with incomplete Souls, like a lot of

01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:19.800
them. They're petting Russell, sorry. He pet

01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:23.100
that dog. A lot of the Ideneth, they're kind

01:09:23.100 --> 01:09:25.720
of born with like, well, it's very, very rare

01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:28.300
that one's born with a complete soul. Like one

01:09:28.300 --> 01:09:30.260
out of a hundred or something, yeah. Or even

01:09:30.260 --> 01:09:32.560
maybe less than that. And the ones that are,

01:09:32.739 --> 01:09:34.260
like, if you're born with a complete soul, you're

01:09:34.260 --> 01:09:36.180
like adopted into households and stuff, so that's

01:09:36.180 --> 01:09:40.420
pretty good life. I listened to one of the AOS

01:09:40.420 --> 01:09:42.020
books on that. It was a pretty good book, actually.

01:09:43.550 --> 01:09:45.869
But the rest of them is like, it just sucks because

01:09:45.869 --> 01:09:50.390
you've got to go basically enslave people and

01:09:50.390 --> 01:09:53.829
basically take the souls from other places. It's

01:09:53.829 --> 01:09:57.489
like a forced life of raiding or slowly dying

01:09:57.489 --> 01:10:00.369
and it's not very... It just sucks for them.

01:10:00.810 --> 01:10:04.550
Yeah. Some people in chat were mentioning Isha.

01:10:05.149 --> 01:10:08.770
Isha has it pretty bad. That is a horrific existence.

01:10:09.170 --> 01:10:13.170
In the jar. Not fun being Isha, very correct.

01:10:13.329 --> 01:10:15.550
That is probably up there with the Emperor. Probably

01:10:15.550 --> 01:10:17.329
not as bad as the Emperor, to be honest, but

01:10:17.329 --> 01:10:19.729
still probably... It's up there. It's up in that

01:10:19.729 --> 01:10:25.369
upper suffering tier. Yeah. She's probably been

01:10:25.369 --> 01:10:27.050
in there a lot longer than the Emperor has been

01:10:27.050 --> 01:10:30.069
on the chair, though. True. That is true, actually.

01:10:30.850 --> 01:10:32.750
I think, Colin, can you think... Because AOS

01:10:32.750 --> 01:10:35.390
is like... Again, it's very similar to fantasy

01:10:35.390 --> 01:10:37.510
in terms of, I would say, level of suffering

01:10:37.510 --> 01:10:41.100
amongst the broader factions. i mean you got

01:10:41.100 --> 01:10:45.699
the the ogres like the who have the constant

01:10:45.699 --> 01:10:51.180
winter storm but it's like scooby -doo frozen

01:10:51.180 --> 01:10:54.359
like canonically where it doesn't kill them it

01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:56.579
just freezes them solid and traps them there

01:10:56.579 --> 01:10:59.640
for all time until someone thaws them out which

01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:01.819
is already one you know i have no mouth and i'm

01:11:01.819 --> 01:11:06.100
a screen but two it's warhammer setting pretty

01:11:06.100 --> 01:11:08.659
good odds whoever thaws them out probably doesn't

01:11:08.659 --> 01:11:12.119
have their best interests at heart. That kind

01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:17.460
of sucks. Anyone who lives in territory under

01:11:17.460 --> 01:11:21.239
the control of Nagash, which is at least one

01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:24.680
-eighth of all people, and everyone who dies.

01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:29.340
Yeah, that seems pretty sucky. I mean, I can't...

01:11:29.340 --> 01:11:31.939
The Stormcast isn't necessarily a great existence

01:11:31.939 --> 01:11:35.060
either, being a Stormcast. I mean, life one,

01:11:35.220 --> 01:11:39.079
pretty kick -ass. then you die when you come

01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:41.960
back but no you forgot a couple memories it's

01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:44.939
nothing too bad yet but you know it's like shit

01:11:44.939 --> 01:11:47.300
what was my password what was uh did i have to

01:11:47.300 --> 01:11:51.000
when is i think my birthday is this day i gotta

01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:53.979
be honest then death two and then death three

01:11:53.979 --> 01:11:56.060
and you're like a lightning spirit who has nothing

01:11:56.060 --> 01:11:58.340
left but the barest hints of maybe a personality

01:11:59.910 --> 01:12:03.949
I watched all of the Black Talon Warhammer TV

01:12:03.949 --> 01:12:05.869
show, which is all about like, oh, Stormcast,

01:12:05.890 --> 01:12:08.390
she's losing her memories. What's going on? And

01:12:08.390 --> 01:12:10.810
there was like a conspiracy within her own team.

01:12:10.869 --> 01:12:14.729
And I just remember being like, it doesn't seem

01:12:14.729 --> 01:12:17.210
that bad in comparison to a lot of Warhammer

01:12:17.210 --> 01:12:20.310
storylines. It was just like, oh, I'm forgetting

01:12:20.310 --> 01:12:23.130
bits of my past and who I was. I'm like, yeah,

01:12:23.149 --> 01:12:27.989
but also like, you're kind of immortal. and like

01:12:27.989 --> 01:12:30.409
you already died you already had a lifetime now

01:12:30.409 --> 01:12:33.829
you're getting like dlc bonus extra time sure

01:12:33.829 --> 01:12:36.510
if anything if anything being immortal memory

01:12:36.510 --> 01:12:41.109
loss would be a blessing then you yeah i don't

01:12:41.109 --> 01:12:43.250
know yeah i mean like not all of them is bad

01:12:43.250 --> 01:12:47.449
like hammer call barry yeah but like it's not

01:12:47.449 --> 01:12:49.890
just memory loss like your soul gets replaced

01:12:49.890 --> 01:12:53.090
with lightning yeah yeah but like that's better

01:12:53.090 --> 01:12:55.130
than your soul gets eaten by demons you know

01:12:55.130 --> 01:12:58.390
it's like that's worse It's still suffering though.

01:12:58.449 --> 01:13:01.029
It's definitely still suffering. You're an eternal

01:13:01.029 --> 01:13:05.689
warrior slave, I guess, basically. The mission

01:13:05.689 --> 01:13:08.229
never ends for them until it does with their

01:13:08.229 --> 01:13:16.689
life. Yeah. Yeah. AOS is not as grimdark as the

01:13:16.689 --> 01:13:20.510
other settings, so it's not as bad. It's more

01:13:20.510 --> 01:13:25.279
of like a high fantasy thing. It's more like

01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:28.319
titanic battles rather than a grim existence

01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:33.020
compared to the other ones though. I'll say that

01:13:33.020 --> 01:13:36.300
being said though, we'll finish up with number

01:13:36.300 --> 01:13:39.520
one sufferer in each of the settings. I would

01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:47.300
say Skaven. I agree. No qualms with that choice.

01:13:48.460 --> 01:13:52.619
40k? Technically, humanity would have the most

01:13:52.619 --> 01:13:55.460
sufferers. Yeah. I'm not sure if that means that

01:13:55.460 --> 01:13:58.359
they're the number one suffering faction. Well,

01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:00.560
to an extent, the Necron suffering has kind of

01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:02.500
ended because the species is now, it's capped,

01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:05.460
and now the species has been decimated. Humans,

01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:08.979
every day, billions are born and die, and the

01:14:08.979 --> 01:14:10.880
ones who are born are destined to die very soon.

01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:15.140
Humanity is just like the Skaven of 40K. I guess

01:14:15.140 --> 01:14:17.100
I'd just argue, that's a good point, yeah, I'd

01:14:17.100 --> 01:14:19.079
say probably humans. Humanity has the most suffering

01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:22.079
in general. Guy in charge, suffering for 10 ,000

01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:26.239
years. Space Marines, Admech, Hivers, whoever.

01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:30.399
It's just like... Maybe, yeah. Admech is more

01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:31.939
like the actual, we think of the tech priests,

01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:35.140
and they're not necessarily suffering. But I

01:14:35.140 --> 01:14:38.899
think Imperium itself, there's no... Maybe you

01:14:38.899 --> 01:14:42.079
could argue chaos, but... Actually, if you want...

01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:45.079
If amount of sufferers is the Imperium, amount

01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.039
of suffering per person, per capita, is going

01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:53.960
to be chaos. uh suffering per capita so they're

01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:57.260
the top sufferers then technically i would say

01:14:57.260 --> 01:15:00.739
bro you got any stats on i don't know what you

01:15:00.739 --> 01:15:02.760
colin would say for aos but i would probably

01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:06.180
i would think the idoneth they don't have probably

01:15:06.180 --> 01:15:08.619
up there like on a factional level yeah that's

01:15:08.619 --> 01:15:13.880
just not great yeah not the best but we do love

01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:15.819
our we do love our warhammer settings though

01:15:15.819 --> 01:15:20.340
yeah i think before we get in Before we before

01:15:20.340 --> 01:15:23.460
yeah donations. Um, I have got some minis of

01:15:23.460 --> 01:15:28.460
the week and has someone done a recce of the

01:15:28.460 --> 01:15:31.800
the question of the week from the the way back

01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:35.680
on the what was it called the Yeah, this video

01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:39.039
do you want me? We were really talking about

01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:40.659
that before stream and then someone immediately

01:15:40.659 --> 01:15:43.159
said please read the question of the week It

01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:50.689
was quite comical So maybe Should I? I'll do

01:15:50.689 --> 01:15:55.470
the presentation for the mini. And maybe if each

01:15:55.470 --> 01:15:57.609
of you gets a comment and we could highlight

01:15:57.609 --> 01:16:02.109
those. But to start us off then, let's see. Let

01:16:02.109 --> 01:16:04.550
me make sure that I add the image because I forgot

01:16:04.550 --> 01:16:05.949
to add it. I was there for that one. Oh, this

01:16:05.949 --> 01:16:08.890
was two weeks ago. That's why. So my pick for

01:16:08.890 --> 01:16:14.369
mini of the week is one from Green Hat Guy. Nice.

01:16:14.369 --> 01:16:17.930
I want to take a look. Oh, yeah. Tequila rig.

01:16:17.949 --> 01:16:19.350
Is that what that is? Or is that something else?

01:16:19.470 --> 01:16:21.310
I don't know. It looks cool. Yeah. Like those

01:16:21.310 --> 01:16:24.149
are fun, bright colors. Those are wacky. It reminds

01:16:24.149 --> 01:16:29.329
me of sweets. Like millions of millions of millions,

01:16:29.470 --> 01:16:32.149
whatever they're called, like gummy fruits. It's

01:16:32.149 --> 01:16:34.050
got that kind of not neon color, but it's just

01:16:34.050 --> 01:16:36.930
like. I think we've showcased this work before.

01:16:37.170 --> 01:16:40.510
It's really, that is a punch in the face with

01:16:40.510 --> 01:16:44.310
color. My God. It's simple. free tones i also

01:16:44.310 --> 01:16:45.750
hate these things by the way they're so annoying

01:16:45.750 --> 01:16:49.510
in game they like you think oh it's a big thing

01:16:49.510 --> 01:16:51.430
like it has shooting maybe we should get in melee

01:16:51.430 --> 01:16:54.350
and tie it up no horrible melee it's a dinosaur

01:16:54.350 --> 01:16:58.649
what was the last video that we asked a question

01:16:58.649 --> 01:17:00.970
of the week sorry obscure chapters i believe

01:17:00.970 --> 01:17:04.250
it was oh my gosh one month We've been forgetting

01:17:04.250 --> 01:17:06.170
to do question a week for a month. We were doing

01:17:06.170 --> 01:17:09.210
tier lists. To be fair, we did like a tier and

01:17:09.210 --> 01:17:11.470
then we did a fancy fireside and it just got

01:17:11.470 --> 01:17:17.289
pushed back. Yeah, but I like how this mini particularly

01:17:17.289 --> 01:17:19.949
has the nice like the trim is in the kind of

01:17:19.949 --> 01:17:23.909
ochre yellow. You've got like the metal bits

01:17:23.909 --> 01:17:26.289
all in purple and then the green pots with it's

01:17:26.289 --> 01:17:30.090
just like a nice combination of colors. I think

01:17:30.090 --> 01:17:35.020
it looks really good. Yeah, me like you. Yeah.

01:17:35.659 --> 01:17:39.720
Next one is Eli's pick. This one was from Summoner.

01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:43.420
I like fantasy, and I like Mr. War's Egg. He's

01:17:43.420 --> 01:17:47.439
funny. And that's it. That's all I got. I thought

01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:49.979
it looked cool. You get points because there's

01:17:49.979 --> 01:17:52.539
fantasy, and it's some classic -looking models,

01:17:52.699 --> 01:17:54.520
and he's lots of fun. And I like the feathers.

01:17:55.140 --> 01:17:57.800
And just the green skin looks good. Bro is schmoving,

01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:03.199
having a good time. Yeah. Let's see. My last

01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:05.119
question of the week is what chapter do you like?

01:18:05.180 --> 01:18:10.100
What obscure chapter do you like? Okay. Obscure

01:18:10.100 --> 01:18:13.840
chapters. You know Eli's done when he goes, okay.

01:18:15.739 --> 01:18:20.060
Next one from Hal. This one's from Mr. Ivar.

01:18:20.699 --> 01:18:24.739
This is really nice. I like how exaggerated it

01:18:24.739 --> 01:18:27.359
is. This is freaking crazy. How do you people

01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:31.899
do this stuff? Damn. the sword is pretty damn

01:18:31.899 --> 01:18:35.720
well done i realized i that uh non -metallic

01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:38.140
gold as well on the sword you just showing off

01:18:38.140 --> 01:18:41.739
man that's crazy work oh yeah you'd know about

01:18:41.739 --> 01:18:44.619
showing off wouldn't you yeah yeah yeah well

01:18:44.619 --> 01:18:47.899
i can't do this so i know he's he's really showing

01:18:47.899 --> 01:18:50.779
off here yeah we did mention that you know you

01:18:50.779 --> 01:18:52.739
know someone is really serious with the painting

01:18:52.739 --> 01:18:55.180
when the thumb has more paint on it than the

01:18:55.180 --> 01:18:59.000
mini uh because you get all the The testing out

01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:02.399
and stuff. But I'm a glove painter. I can't get

01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:04.060
paint on my hands. I have to have gloves on.

01:19:05.180 --> 01:19:08.939
I'm a glove painter. I like the nitrile gloves

01:19:08.939 --> 01:19:10.800
because they're used in the hospital. You can

01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:12.560
get white ones. You can just get white gloves

01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:15.340
and then you can paint on them. He's a glover,

01:19:15.340 --> 01:19:19.800
not a painter. I've never been degloved. But

01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:23.020
also this mini... I thought at first this was

01:19:23.020 --> 01:19:26.989
a crimson fist. Because it's the Emperor's Champion

01:19:26.989 --> 01:19:29.710
mini, isn't it? But then I had a look at the

01:19:29.710 --> 01:19:34.350
Polton. It's not the Crimson Fist insignia. But

01:19:34.350 --> 01:19:36.449
I think it's pretty cool. I really like those

01:19:36.449 --> 01:19:38.489
red robes in between the chest plate and the

01:19:38.489 --> 01:19:43.689
belt. Love it. That's cool stuff, mate. From

01:19:43.689 --> 01:19:51.869
Colin. Miss Grimm. Yeah. Black, fiery, Mortark.

01:19:52.010 --> 01:19:56.550
This thing is sick. Even got the lighting effects

01:19:56.550 --> 01:20:01.270
on the base. Yeah. The skulls also look much

01:20:01.270 --> 01:20:03.470
better on this model when they aren't painted

01:20:03.470 --> 01:20:07.970
glowy blue ethereal. They look like Lego studs.

01:20:08.130 --> 01:20:14.069
Yeah. This is great. Is that done by brush as

01:20:14.069 --> 01:20:17.270
well? That's crazy. It's done by making me feel

01:20:17.270 --> 01:20:20.550
inadequate. The thing is, again, it's very nice.

01:20:20.689 --> 01:20:24.180
Only a few colors. Very well painted, but very

01:20:24.180 --> 01:20:27.779
simple. The flamey bits are flamey. The bones

01:20:27.779 --> 01:20:29.899
are bones. You've got little bits of gray, black.

01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:33.800
And that's it. But it's so well done in the execution

01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:36.279
that everything pops. Everything looks phenomenal.

01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:41.359
I think it's great. Yeah. And nothing gets lost.

01:20:42.420 --> 01:20:49.300
Yeah. Simple strikes true. Yeah. Cool. Nice,

01:20:49.380 --> 01:20:51.779
guys. Should we read the question? I think there's...

01:20:52.699 --> 01:20:55.460
I mean, when I control F obscure, there's only

01:20:55.460 --> 01:20:56.899
a few, so we could probably just read all of

01:20:56.899 --> 01:20:59.619
them, to be totally honest with you guys. Well,

01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:02.619
I got two. If you've got one ready for where

01:21:02.619 --> 01:21:06.739
you are, Eli. I forgot I had to send you these.

01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:09.119
Or I'll find it later, it's okay. But the first

01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:15.100
one is from SamuelTD7FB. Hashtag obscure. The

01:21:15.100 --> 01:21:17.640
swords of Ultramar, due to their feat of effing

01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:21.279
over the Thousand Suns by complete accident.

01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:26.479
I like that chapter a lot. I impressed you more.

01:21:26.539 --> 01:21:29.239
Because I fucking made it up. Yep, it's from

01:21:29.239 --> 01:21:32.199
your homebrew, isn't it? Okay, I lied. Sorry,

01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:34.840
there's way more than we could read. My control

01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:36.899
just wasn't getting everything. Hey, you can't

01:21:36.899 --> 01:21:39.560
get much more obscure than my sources, I made

01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:45.279
it the fuck up. Yeah, I got two. Colin, straight

01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:50.060
Armstrong -ing it. Next one we got is from Rafe

01:21:50.060 --> 01:21:53.439
Ship. Hashtag obscure. My favorite is the Rainbow

01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:56.640
Warriors, Aztec Jaguar Warrior Space Marines.

01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:59.340
Lots of Lizardmen conversion opportunities. Hell

01:21:59.340 --> 01:22:02.060
yeah. And the other retconned Founding Legion.

01:22:02.739 --> 01:22:05.720
Does anyone know what the second retconned Founding

01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:09.939
Legion was? Oh, Valedictors. Valedictors. Nice.

01:22:10.180 --> 01:22:14.279
Yes. With the green. With the green. I think

01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:18.920
I just like that Aztec. inspiration someone has

01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:20.840
made a it's a it's technically a homebrew one

01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:23.520
but it was called the blood jaguars that's quite

01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:26.319
like a popular one in the community in terms

01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:27.859
of like they're the home world and they are blood

01:22:27.859 --> 01:22:30.960
angel successors that was a good one as well

01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:35.359
but you know good old rainbow warriors you gotta

01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:37.500
gotta love a rainbow warrior which you know god

01:22:37.500 --> 01:22:39.000
forbid they ever did that as canon that would

01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:44.119
be mental um and this one the last one from random

01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:48.640
Name Wi -Fi view my favorite obscure chapter

01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:50.399
is the blood swords who are just characterized

01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:52.899
as being the best friends of the star dragons

01:22:52.899 --> 01:22:56.760
I said I send an honorable mention from Mike

01:22:56.760 --> 01:23:00.659
the Breton in there And this one from Mike should

01:23:00.659 --> 01:23:07.779
be in bed Mike Desert Lions, Warcry, Unknown,

01:23:08.060 --> 01:23:10.640
Founding, Unknown, Successors of Unknown, Success

01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:13.159
to Chapters, Unknown, Number, Known, Primark,

01:23:13.260 --> 01:23:15.640
Unknown, Chapter Master, Unknown, Homeworld,

01:23:15.739 --> 01:23:17.819
Unknown, Fortress Monastery, Unknown, Allegiance,

01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:21.199
Imperium of Man, Fellas, Unknown. 1 .5 fans.

01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:23.380
You may wonder why I mentioned these good gentlemen

01:23:23.380 --> 01:23:25.659
that only have like two sources of lore. It's

01:23:25.659 --> 01:23:27.560
because Light over in Andy's Discord mentioned

01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:31.239
them and I like the Desert and Lions. Wow. Well,

01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:34.399
fair enough. There you have it. The Space Marine.

01:23:34.940 --> 01:23:38.600
Yeah. Now we need a question of the week for

01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:40.859
us. We didn't think of a question of the week

01:23:40.859 --> 01:23:43.300
before we made this episode. All right, all right.

01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:49.140
How about this, right? Hashtag suffer. Who deserves

01:23:49.140 --> 01:23:53.800
the most suffering in the setting? And say something

01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:57.159
other than Erebus. Yeah, not Erebus. Yeah, yeah,

01:23:57.199 --> 01:24:04.800
yeah. Who would you guys put then? I was going

01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:07.920
to say how. Just off a knee -jerk reaction. Just

01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:12.560
thinking of me. What's the guy from Armageddon

01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:19.140
called the eyepiece? Oh, Straub. Oh yeah, that

01:24:19.140 --> 01:24:22.199
guy. The governor. Straub. I don't know. He did

01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:25.920
die, but it was like get him. He abandoned his

01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:28.340
city and he was a dick to Yara. Oh, not the one

01:24:28.340 --> 01:24:31.960
in the trailer. No, no, no. this is the actual

01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:34.739
guy yeah he did die in the last chances books

01:24:34.739 --> 01:24:38.579
but uh he deserved like he deserved a pineapple

01:24:38.579 --> 01:24:42.939
up the bum you know little nicky reference there

01:24:42.939 --> 01:24:46.779
um but with that said so we go the the last round

01:24:46.779 --> 01:24:51.659
of donations with that being said i think as

01:24:51.659 --> 01:24:54.199
for listening to this episode i hope you suffered

01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:57.819
enough Uh, we feel about suffering too, too much.

01:24:57.960 --> 01:25:00.880
Um, we got some more cool stuff coming forward

01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:03.279
and we'll see you guys very, very soon on the

01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:04.960
next episode. Peace.