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their factions their storylines chaos etc who's
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uh today though we need to settle this score
though because maybe one is better than the other.
Maybe the old world really shouldn't have been
taken out back and shot. You know where I stand.
Yeah, I think so. I think so. We can compare
some of the cool parts here. We are obviously
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guys committing lore crimes? Yeah. I'll get them
to kill me. I'm grabbing for the rope. Me too,
man. On a lighter note, it's time to compare...
Well, we're going to start with a category of
the human factions, I think, because that's a
fair place to start. Colin, for those who don't
know, do you want to rep your fantasy? Do you
want to say who is essentially the main protagonist
of the humans in that one fantasy? That would
be, you know, in the same way that the Imperium
is the protagonist faction of, you know, 40K.
The Empire of Man would definitely be the protagonist
of Warhammer fantasy. At least, you know, in
the focus of who the narrative is looking at
for the most part. It's, you know, the Holy Roman
Empire with the serial numbers filed off. You
know, there's a good bit more detail into that,
especially after, you know, 40 years of lore
development. But it's quite... German, man, possum,
don't tempt me. Real possum. Possum says repping,
saying General Grievous and then logging off.
Yeah, and then leaving the call. Tempting, tempting,
but we won't be doing that. But yeah, it's a
renaissance to early industrial times, depending
on what city and where you're at. It's a quaint
little place to be. It's the greatest empire,
the greatest realm of man in all of the world.
Which, until recently, there really wasn't any
competition for that title anyway. So that's
quite... Yeah. I should also say there's My People,
the Kislev. Kislev exists, which is essentially...
Imagine if you grabbed all of Eastern Europe
and shoved it into a bag. One big scoop. Shook
the bag up and then threw it all out into a medieval...
It's the Slavic specialty stew. Yeah, we... you
know we get that treatment god forbid we um get
like a witcher adaptation or something and they
ruin it i'm still bitter no that would never
happen that would never happen yeah yeah there's
only two seasons of the witcher though isn't
the case that the author of the witcher books
is like i hate the games because what what do
you mean there's like different hat like schools
of witches that's i didn't write that how dare
you i mean there are different schools of witches
in the uh the novels if i remember like the there's
the human guy who um he hunts down some of the
other like he hunts down witches you know like
medallions of other schools um i i don't know
well maybe it's just like specific schools he
didn't read leon bonhart is that his name maybe
it's been a while since i've read the witch anyway
it's not about the witcher though um we just
say there is uh colin there's a new kid in the
block as well what is uh what happened with grand
cafe what did they do there Indeed. They, you
know, they've been around. They have been around.
They were definitely the background faction that
had the most lore, but, you know, that's... I'm
the smartest of all, you know, the high schoolers
that were held back a year. You know, there's
only so much you can give them credit for that.
But, you know, they've always been, you know,
fantasy China. The only reason it's... A little
bit better of a name than Nippon is because less
people are aware that Cathay is a name for China
than they are that Nippon is what, you know,
the Japanese call Japan. So, but yeah, you know,
it's fantasy China. They got, you know, like
the Terracotta Warriors. Well, in Warhammer fantasy,
those things are 50 feet tall and, you know,
beat you to death. They're ruled by dragons.
You know, that's the cool Chinese style of dragon
as opposed to the Western style of dragon. More
of a snake dragon, isn't it? Soldiers. They have
a really cool roster, though, in terms of their
stuff as well. And it's like a thing where in
Warhammer 40k, I guess the equivalent is supposed
to be the White Scars, but it's not really the
equivalent, is it? That's the closest you could
get to it. Even then, the White Scars are more
Mongolian. Yeah. Yeah. I've been rereading scars
for, for a logic class episode. And there's like
a bit where Torgan's like, I'm a bit annoyed
that the legions, like specifically recruiting
from, from the Asiatic tribes are like, well,
it's the Asian coded faction. When is this? Like,
it wasn't the great crusade all about, we're
putting that behind us and being like multicultural.
It was like, shut up, Torgan, shut up. No one
cares. It was cool. Like the, I think the Empire
of Man is like the main focus in Warhammer fantasy.
I guess I say it's fair to say that 90 % of the
novels of human focused stuff are Empire of Man.
Oh, like of human focused stuff at least. Yeah.
There's definitely a lot more Empire books out
of all than there are other ones. There's a couple,
like even I guess the Ulrica books are closer
to the vampires than they are Cathay now, aren't
they? Let's see. Yeah. I'm also going to count
as well the fact they have vampires. They have
vampires as the human factions because that's
something in Warhammer 40k they do not really
have. There's no vampires, which I do like vampires.
I guess so, yeah. I mean, those are there, but
they're not proper vampires, right? They're not
turning into bats and the sun is out, so it's
time to melt. It ain't no proper von Karstein.
They're awesome. There are those Xenos as well.
I can't remember what they're called though.
The actual vampires. Hulghasts. Hulghasts are
kind of vampire -ish. I can't remember what those
ones are. Yeah, I don't know what that is. You
could be lying to me for all I know. Bro, you
can't say that. With the Hulghast? Wow. In 40k,
though, I would say between the human factions,
there's obviously a huge amount of variety. The
scale's obviously not really comparable compared
to one world in an entire galaxy. But I'd say
One More Fantasy does a pretty good job at getting
itself across that there's more than one focus
in the world. Because it's only on one world,
they need to develop multiple parts of the world.
You can't just go hive world. What's on that
world? Hive world. It's a hive world. I will
say some of that is definitely a matter of taste.
40K is hardly the only sci -fi setting to have
this is the world of X. That would be just about
all of them ever written. In fantasy, they had
to make the world a lot more full than any individual
40k world necessarily needs to be because you
can't just go to another planet there's only
one of those here between uh the human factions
here though what do you guys find more exciting
like better between the imperial guard and the
empire of man because that's a real tough question
god god god god god get away get a guy Yeah,
there's everything from Vestroians to Cadians
to Catachans to... Yeah, they're all cool. I'm
not going to say that the guard isn't cool. Anyone
who says that, it's just silly. Even the, like,
Drukian high... Drukian fengard. All those, like,
so much variety. Druki. Interesting, interesting.
And yeah, there's, like, so much of them. Even
the Volponi bluebloods and stuff like that. Yeah,
there's so much. and then i feel a lot of them
and they're all empires just germanic peoples
we'll see that okay well we should be we should
be comparing the empire imperial guard we shouldn't
be comparing the imperial guard and every human
faction in warhammer fantasy yeah but then we
have to talk about bretonia yeah that is true
which are awesome yeah never mind never mind
kill this guy kill this guy but uh no it's i
mean he's always more fleshed out and it's just
Everything just matters more, which is nice.
There are different sub -things within the Empire.
The different elector counts have their specialties.
One of them has rifles, like proper modern rifles.
No, that's Hawkland. Oh, Hawkland long rifles.
They have different traditions and whatnot. Just
the same as the different worlds of the guard
all have different traditions. Again, in reality,
different countries and even regions within countries.
If you go to someone in the South and say, yeah,
you're basically a New Yorker, you're getting
shot. Is it that bad? It's not that bad. If you
call them a Yank, if you call someone in the
South a Yankee, you might get yanked at least.
Is that because the Yankees are a team, aren't
they? No, that's because the Yanks are the Northerners.
yeah oh civil war hello my fellow my fellow unionists
like ah oh no but the thing is if we're going
to be like okay we're going to make a distinction
between all the different human factions in fantasy
are we going to include on the 40k side of things
arbitrators we're going to involve the administratum
the inquisition i don't know if we need to look
for like But those aren't cultures. Those are
just, like, jobs. That's the problem. And that's
the thing. There's a culture within them, though.
I mean, Ecclesiarchy's got a culture, being religion.
They do. Yeah, but at the end of the day, there's
people. It is all, like, the Imperium is much
more monolithic. There's no other options. The
flesh now is so lacking. Which ones do you guys
feel more drawn to, though? Because obviously
there's the... we also all like warhammer 40k
but is there like a secret kind of like a secret
source i'd say but like something about what
i'm a fancy like the in you know the empire of
man there's something to it which feels i don't
know like the more grounded side of it again
i i know it makes no sense but like having a
a group of boys with a um was it not a matchlock
rifle a flintlock pistol or flintlock rifles
just somehow like i see more i feel more drawn
to that as like a regular human some reason like
this it tickles something in my brain does anyone
else feel like that same way yeah also a lot
easier to like relate and sympathize with the
empire and just generally be on their side Because
it's just a desperate situation of humans fighting
against things. It's not this giga empire that's
slowly decaying. It's like an actual real...
It's why Halo has so much better stories than
40k. Because everything actually matters. And
it's really easy to cheer for the humans in Halo.
It's quite easy to cheer for the humans in Warhammer
Fantasy as well. Other than just liking the other
factions. But the vampires... I don't want the
vampires to be humans. That's ridiculous. Whereas
in 40K, some people find it easier to root for
the Eldar or the Tau and et cetera, et cetera.
So it's a lot easier to get on. Never ask an
Imperial Guard general what the most common deployment
of the Imperial Guard is. Do you think? It's
riots. It's killing rioters. Let's not forget
that the Spartans, what were they originally
developed for, Colin? Also killing rioters. True.
But then aliens happened. Would you say then
between... Obviously, we're not comparing it
to Age of Sigmar, but is Warhammer fantasy greater
or lesser for not having an equivalent of Space
Marines? I mean, I would say greater. I would
say greater. And don't get me wrong. As much
as I love bitching about space Marines, I still
find them cool. Look, that's how people get into
Warhammer. You see that, you're like, damn, that
guy's pretty sick. But I don't know. Like Eli
said, it makes the struggle feel a little more
real. Because even with the guard, right? They
got tanks. A Baneblade is not a small thing.
If you are in a Baneblade, you are not the one
desperately surviving. Don't you mean me, you,
Andy? Right, yeah. The Baneblade the four of
us could definitely take down. You attack it
from the top, it'll be fine. Andy, I don't know
if I should bring that up again, but I don't
know if you think you can actually take a Baneblade.
One melt to charge. Drop. Done. Insanity. If
Space Marines were portrayed as they're supposed
to be, as extremely rare side things that there's
never enough of them to cover what they need
to, then I think they'd be way cooler. But they're
the main characters of Warhammer, whereas the
Imperial Guard should be the main characters
of Warhammer, and the Space Marine should be
really cool side characters, but it's flipped
the other way around and it messes it all up.
To be fair, Eli, there are plenty of Imperial
Guard stories where they are the main character.
And the thing is, Space Marines are spread thin.
But the setting's so vast, that's the thing.
It's like comparing one world to a million, million
worlds. It doesn't give you the idea that Space
Marines are uber rare. When there's a billion
books of them. Every single thing. Yeah. Why
do you think people get so... Because obviously
there's a lot of people who like both settings,
but yet why do people get so drawn to... the
super soldier in the human faction in warmer
40k and yet there's no kind of well i mean from
a gameplay army standpoint it's because army
of super soldiers is cool let's not pretend it
isn't well i think the thing about like fantasy
is that the only like character you can talk
about like senior like generals or like a weird
quirky thing like gotrick and felix like they're
going to be rulers they're going to be high -ranking
military officers you're not really going to
have many more of like the lower caste of like
lowly peasants or like you might have like a
couple but like it's going to be gels the guy
who's in charge of like the wizards you're going
to have carl franz the guy in charge of the empire
you're going to have the guy in charge of the
vampires and his missus and the guy in charge
of the knights of bretonia Whereas Space Marines
are kind of like named characters, but not beyond
being expendable. They're kind of like in that
middle ground was like Guardsmen are expendable,
but you can still have named characters. You
get Primarchs, but then Space Marines are kind
of that middle ground. And so you can also have
them be butchered occasionally. I feel like I'll
go for it. I think it'd be cool if there weren't
any successor chapters. Damn, even I'm not that
anti -Marine. Put that in the bin. Yeah, I don't
really care. You love the Horus Heresy. You don't
need successor chapters in Horus Heresy. And
then there'd be way more base raids and it would
actually feel like super desperate all the time.
There's a gajillion of them, even though they're
supposed to be really rare, but they're in every
single freaking 40k book. I don't know. My favorite
thing about the horror's heresy is Eli. Also,
you know what you just said? Most successor chapters
have like one paragraph of lore. Don't be so
dramatic in the chat. Successor chapters are
nothing burgers 90 % of the time. I will say
to be fair on that one, that's because they were
mostly written when GW was cool and encouraged
you to make homebrew lore as opposed to buy more
Marnius Kalgar. My favorite thing about the Horus
Heresy is that it ends and it splits up and then
it diverges. That's the whole point. It does
it like Warhammer Fantasy and 40k. They are the
settings, whereas Horus Heresy is more of a,
let's just finish the mythology part and then
we'll give it a really crappily supported game.
And then we will rewrite the Istvat. the Dropsite
Massacre book. He didn't rewrite it, though.
It's a shame because that's actually really good,
that one. That was a good book, though. It could
be great. Do you know why that one was good,
though, Colin? Because it actually had, even
though they had perspectives of like, oh, they're
all salamanders, they're all iron hands, they're
all raven guard, the characters you followed
in that were all weirdly different. They all
came from different home worlds. You have a salamander
character, isn't it, Andy, who he was... he was
from an ocean world like this is a really and
he's obviously been there salamander's obsessed
with fire so and again the the beauty of a space
marine chapter is you have all these divergent
creeds and cultures like the iron snakes first
book is amazing because it's just oh all about
ithaca and their culture of like this not quite
maritime but all these like they have like the
trench dives and they have all these cultural
trappings and it goes through like several decades
of war with like a particular character and then
you have things like the minotaurs who are just
assholes that jack boot their way through everything
and then you have the carcaridons who predate
in the furthest reaches of the galaxy and then
you have the tragedy of the blood angels and
you have the ultra means being named characters
and then you have the raven guard being the sneaky
boys and like you have all these delineations
of like they're named characters but they're
not beyond being killed if they have to we know
most of them will still be around because you
gotta sell the minis but like do you know what
40k in the human factions has over i would say
fantasy is that in 40k it's more it's your chapter
your sandbox you can really customize what you're
making in the universe whereas fantasy is more
of a you are playing the empire you can play
like a region of the empire to be fair i i do
most i i do actually you know kind of overall
agree on that 40k is definitely more homebrew
friendly because you know there's a million worlds
out there and all that whatnot like you could
just make something up and there's no reason
it couldn't be canon for the most part but i
mean i'm not gonna like fantasy definitely has
room for it like there's a lot of unexplored
regions for one where you know you could like
different stuff like that there's the entire
border prince's region which is the region that
exists so you can make your own army of whatever
you want basically if you want a like solid location
for it there's i mean like and again like within
individual countries you can have vastly different
cultures like and and again like you can you
know it's countries are big you can make up your
own lore for like an area of what this you know
place is like and fit it in with the theming
pretty well you definitely need to do like more
leg work to do homebrew stuff and fantasy but
it's not impossible but i do agree overall that
40k is vastly more homebrew friendly there's
a big bonus towards that like that setting though
although again like there's something about the
even say like art direction for like the human
factions i just love how i guess it's more in
typically like older 40k stuff where like they
just have they went like it's on the scale of
like ridiculous like you know the amount of like
decorations and filigree and ridiculous 10 000
year old my favorite piece of warhammer art is
still the one of the titan and the stoppa and
then there's a million things happening and i
don't think anyone is actually shooting at anyone
else but it's beautiful I mean, I even have...
We'll go for it. He's pulling out middies! He's
pulling out middies! Kick him! He's getting his
Kaka. Oh, his money is Kalgar. Look at that.
For the visual learners of you, I have the iconic
Battle of Macrag. And this is... If you guys
look it up, that is what I mean in terms of that
is like peak Warhammer 40k. 40k has more aura,
as the kids say. it has more and it generally
it generally goes harder all right have you guys
um seen that artwork of like the two titans and
one's punching one in the face and it's like
falling like that i was watching the kill loopical
show and i didn't and i was like oh and i was
watching the show they it's referencing that
bit of artwork where they recreate it in the
animation and it's actually the character you're
following punching the other titan from the other
house and say oh that's cool they took this really
iconic piece of art and they've integrated it
into this story and that's kind of like the neat
thing about warhammer 40k is that you have like
all these moments and all these things like ring
rins world with like the crimson fist falling
got hell's reach with the black templars you've
got all the tyrannic war stuff the ultra range
you've got devastation of baal you've got the
battle for chagoras which is cool but no one's
read it oh well but you got all those things
And even doing some editing for an upcoming video
on this channel, I was looking up things like,
oh, dark elves don't have much art for them,
which I thought was strange for like a whole
ass faction. I was like, oh, it seems like Warhammer
fantasy, other than the work that, again, Creative
Assembly have done to like bolster the aesthetic.
It's kind of like difficult sometimes to be like,
oh. I want to find this bit in the lore. Oh,
there's no visual representation for it. Oh.
Oh, this character's quite a popular character.
Ah, there's not really much to look at. Oh. That's
a shame. Whereas Warhammer's just like, here's
Glupshido, number 58, and he's got three pieces
of artwork. You're like, yeah, that's it. Give
us more. There is still some banging old fantasy
art, though. Let's not say there's none. There
most certainly is. I'm naturally looking at high
elf art. But, you know, give me a moment to find,
you know, the... You saw a high elf alt? Wow.
I wish. Yeah, you happy? I'm not. You got, like,
stuff like this. Like, that feels classic. They
almost look like ghosts in the background. The
shining aurora. There's some good stuff. Yeah,
there's definitely cool art and fantasy. I love
it. Hang on. I found the same image, but in color.
And slightly cropped for some reason. But one
thing is, can a bunch of guys on horses in front
of a big castle compete with, like, a hive world
fighting with, like, ships in orbit blowing things
up? Again, the scale adds so much more variety
of things. Yeah, that's also a preference, though.
Like, the scale of that means every bit of fantasy
is more, like, part of the reason it's less homebrew
friendly is because you have actual answers and
everything is fulfilled. Whereas in 40K, you
can go, here's the world of X. And then we're
just going to make another planet for the next
gimmick. You could also have like 1 billion people
fought and all of them are dead. And it doesn't
really have to, you don't have to worry about
affecting like, Oh, if you had like a million
people in any faction in Warhammer fancy, then
it'd be like, ah, that kind of on the back foot
now. Yeah. But that's its own positive. It lets
you actually appreciate like small and large
scale battles. And when there's a battle with
like a hundred thousand people and you're like,
damn, this is a. this is a fight this this actually
means something one one thing i would say that
i find interesting is like with the elves for
example as a direct comparison in 40k they have
a section for elves we can talk about elves well
i'm just just this one point that in 40k there
are basically an endangered species in fantasy
they're not and so that i don't feel like there's
much of a like at least on the surface level
there's much like a a feeling of loss if the
elves lose a battle in fantasy i don't really
care as much as if they do in 40k and i know
that like the imperium strength is that it's
the meat grinder but then i don't feel like there's
much of a difference between factions in fantasy
of like who's stronger than who because they're
all kind of like oh they're about the same size
and dwarves or the elves or Nagash or whoever.
They're all kind of just as powerful as each
other, more or less, because they're all tough.
And other than the end times, it's like someone
so lost a battle, someone so died, but did anything
change until the end times? Andy, you do not
care when the elves lose battles in 40k. Yeah,
hang on, first of all. Don't be saying that.
There is. We get told the Imperium's on the decline,
and then I read a book, and it's another decisive
Imperial victory. But I swear, guys, we've lost
people out there. Don't worry. I swear it's bad.
That was one major big loss in a sea of infinite
Imperial dubs. Demons infested the throne world
and there's Genestealers there now. Uh -oh. Throne's
failing. Oh no. All the Khorai's got kicked off
almost immediately. As did Magnus. Before we
get any further though, I think there's been
some lovely donations we should get to. So first
one from Xarkset saying, for 10 months, welcome
back, Eli. Yeah, welcome back, Eli. Donkey Man
USA. Thanks, man. Five bucks. Stream late due
to Hal ending his times gooning style. Wow. Donkey
Man USA. Thank you. So true. This is a crazy
dono. I don't want to read that one. Uber 404
for five quid. I was a Brit. Colin, don't stop
talking. I'm nearly finished. Wow. Did you need
to put the stank on that one, Hal? Did you need
to do that? Colin, how does that make you feel?
How does it make you feel? Well, I feel like
I'm on a podcast, so I'm going to have to keep
talking, so you'll be finishing at some point.
Colin has a very deep voice. He's doing things
for people. 5301 for $5. I really should be cleaning
my kitchen, but Papa Nurgle keeps telling me
to play Rogue Trader while I listen to Lorecrimes
instead. I'll let the kitchen fester, I guess.
Wow. Man! No! God, we... Bruh. Fuck you. Fuck
you. Bruh, where have you got the Meridia's Beacon,
by the way, in Skyrim? I grabbed it on a bandit's
corpse once. It's always in a chest in Falkreath.
There's Gilman and OMG, it's Gil with the steel
chair! Huge. Yeah. Dude, the worst place I found
Meridia's Beacon was I did, you know, you go
into a random cave. Yeah, you end up in fucking
like Blackreach. And then I find Meridia's Beacon
in a chest. I'm like, bro, I don't want to be
here. By Stendarr, this hoe has played that goddamn
audio track at the worst time. May Akatosh strike
this bitch down. Made the infinite glitch of
getting two, is it Dawn? Dawnstones? Dawnshard.
What was the name of the blade? Dawnbreaker,
I think. Dawnbreaker. The infinite glitch of
getting two Dawnbreakers so you can dual wield
it. May that forever be left in Skyrim. Angry
Homunculus is also a member for 13 months. Thank
you very much. Marathi's Seat Cushion. God, I
wish. Member for 30 months. Thank you. G -Man
drops his Giladong on Archeon. I don't know if
Giladong is going to be taken on Archeon. A metric
steel for 10 bucks. I love the guard with all
my heart. There is something about a Landschnecht.
I can never say that right any time. Landschnecht
is, I think, the best I can do. I don't know
if that's right either. This is why handers,
aren't they? fighting the devil with a musket
and he can win that fight really makes me lean
towards the empire that's like the thing like
it's that i know the thing you know the guard
is just the average men and women which they
are but it's it's slightly less meaningful when
i look behind the average men and women and there's
a five mile long armored column rolling through
the demonic armies i feel like the the the muscle
and strength of the average person is not the
thing doing the heavy lifting here. I think it
might be the fact you turned a grid square into
a crater. Do you know what I think you're catching
on to here, Colin? The 40k is really missing
a cavalry charge. Now, there are technically
horses in some guard stuff. Krieg has some rough
riders. One with a guy on a horse on the front.
I see. And the thing with that, though, is that
it's like... It's not the same. A demigriff charge
makes me hard. Oh, that hits. Bretonnia equivalent
or demigriff charge. Look, knights are cool.
Again, even in all my hatred of Bretonnia, knights
are cool. You've got those Mechanicus striders
as well that, like, have the big legs. I see.
They're not allowed to turn. Okay. Yeah. They're
not going to look at how you write it, bro. I
see the thing with like that too is like it always,
and I know it's the point to some extent that,
you know, the Imperium so falling apart, they're
using horses in a sci -fi setting, but it's like
some of them are doing that just because they
could have a tank, but they're stupid and they
don't have the tank. The Empire doesn't have
a choice. They have 13 tanks. Five of them don't
work. Someone did point out the winged Hussars
arrive, which is a good song, by the way. Copyright
him right now. Kill! Saturn 9782 with the 200
,000 D. Thank you very much. Thank you, man.
Whatever currency that is, thank you. Please
inform me. I'm always curious to see the different...
It's just really intriguing. I'm not entirely
sure. Either way, though. Currently recovering
from a traffic accident involving a car running
over me and breaking all my ribs and shoulders.
You guys have given me many laughs during my
month -long hospital stay. Here's the moral of
the crime to come. I hope you get better and
I'm glad you're alive. I hope that doesn't hurt
too much. All things considered, it sounds like
you took that like a goddamn trooper. Holy shit.
I meant laughing probably hurts when he's with
broken ribs. I think we can speak for all of
us. We hope you get a very speedy recovery. Yes.
Chat. Wish him luck. All the love. Goober. That's
the one from earlier, wasn't it? 10 quid. This
is towards the Baneblade fight fund. Thank you.
This will pay for the little repel. I'd love
to be part of like, you know, like a Mythbuster
style, like testing thing only where like with
dummy grenades, we need to prove we can just
take down like a normal tank or something. Hey,
Jamie, how much does it take? How many 35 year
olds does it take to destroy a Baneblade? Rack
damn you. More than four. More than four. Oh,
my God. So true. Probably true. I'm just saying.
It should also be said. The Silent King has a
lot of aura. He does, but he's not Cetra. Doesn't
Cetra just get bullied all the time by Nagash?
But he says cool stuff when it happens. He says
cool things while he's being bullied. It was
also after 6 ,000 years of uninterrupted dubs,
mind you. Which I will notice no Imperial character
does, not even the Emperor. He loses with that
aura loss. Abaddon's been 10 ,000 years of dubbing
with the Black Crusade. Has he? He blew up Cain.
It took 10 ,000 years. I'm just saying, you know,
out of all the four characters listed, exactly
one of them has won Warhammer. Just saying. It
was bullshit, but he won. Didn't stick, though.
There's another Warhammer. There's a new one.
Got back up. Maybe it's Chomsky you change your
picture. He's back to the normal one. No, I think
that's someone else who has the ass gnome. No,
that's Gnomius Chomsky. No, it wasn't. Thank
you. Fancy doesn't have a call. Enough said.
Also, hi. Hi. Hello. Is that not the original
Gnomius Chomsky? Wow. There's more than one.
It's a different person. That is Gnomeus Chomsky,
but it's not Gnomeus Chomsky with the button
on. Donkey Man USA. If they don't stop getting
funny, I'll stop getting racist. Thanks, Donkey
Bear. Horace Axelhock. Look at the head. It's
sort of like Mr. Clean. With the five pounds.
Someone else should read this. Now that I've
seen the end, I'm definitely not reading it.
Thank you for the five. Horace Little Mogus.
Mog Targadon. Mog on the living. Mog on the dead.
No one leaves the battlefield unmogged. Also,
Bretonnia number one. Depending on the edition,
Bretonnia wasn't even number one in cavalry.
Jedi Mando for five quid. Unrelated question,
but what's Colin's opinion? I guess humans are
slash aren't forerunners in hate. I wonder if
Andy's going to yell at me. I'm of the opinion
that I prefer when they're not humans. I feel
like it makes humanity more impactful as opposed
to just we were, we built all these super awesome
things once and now we're just kind of pilfering
it back. Also, I will say, look, look. Some terminals
in Halo 3 mentioned humanity and forerunners
fighting a war. They didn't say civil war. They
didn't say like a rebellion. It was a war. So
that implies they're different. There was evidence,
especially Halo was like a soft marathon sequel,
at least for Combat Evolved. But I know so many
people bring up the cut content, the cut ending
of Halo 2 where the Arbiter opens a casket and
it's a human skeleton. It's cut. It was cut content.
It's not in the game. it's like when people are
like oh the exorcist 3 the original cut content
ending would have been so much better and then
they released it and it's just he shoots the
guy at the end he's like oh is that it yeah oh
it's kind of lame it's like yeah they build it
up for decades like it's going to be better than
the the theater one no it turns out the notes
the executives gave were like yep better ending
just is i think we have in chat shalaxy's wet
is gripper is the button gnome so we all have
we all know shalaxy an apology thank you um i
made a space wolf got trick homebrew love big
that was confused because it was a no why would
you ruin god trick like 19 months i'll say yeah
before we yeah we should do a few more and then
we'll have to we might have to circle back these
guys you guys are very funny tonight by the way
yeah yeah god emperor of terror for the CHF5?
I don't even know what that is. Check, maybe?
Is it check? Corona? No. Good day. I don't know
what is happening here, but it is funny. Appreciate
it, man. That's lore crimes equivalent. Really?
Generally. I have no idea what we're doing. Are
we talking about elves now? Yes, we are now talking
about who does it better? Warhammer 40k Elder
or Warhammer Fantasy Elves? I'm going to go get
another drink. Enjoy. I like Eldar more than
High Elves. I like Dark Elves more than Dark
Eldar. Fantasy mug. Fantasy sweep, if you ask
me. It's just total destruction. This is what
I don't get about Elves. The Fantasy Elves get
a lot more love than the Eldar do, that's for
sure. People who like Elves write for the Elves
in Fantasy. I don't get Like, I have a big problem.
I don't know if it's a big problem, but as in,
I quite, I've said it quite a few times before,
like, I genuinely, like, Warhammer Fantasy elves
are so, like, interesting. There's many different
variations between them. Like, they have depth.
They have, like, interesting characters and stuff.
I just don't get why the elder doesn't have,
like, that kind of, like, pull. It's a scale
thing again, because the scale's so big, it's
just... All of Saimhan is like this. All of Iandan
is like this. All of Ulthwe is like this. It's
much more spread. I think craft worlds are interesting,
but in some way I also couldn't give a fuck about
craft worlds. I want to see an elf planet. Do
you know what I mean? I want to see peak civilization.
I think it's an issue I have with when we talk
about things like Age of Sigmar, where I said
to Colin a few times, I don't know where anything
is. like if everything's realms i don't know
where it is if everything in 40k is they're like
traveling you know massive continent -sized spacecraft
i don't get as attached to it the same as something
like a planet or a homeworld i you know as much
as they all have like separate cultures well
i don't necessarily and the way they write them
in 40k whereas like you must stay on these you
know strict paths it almost ruins the law of
them because then they can't deviate they can't
be as unique to be fair yeah but they're all
kind of like it'd be like someone saying it's
almost like the craft wars are too similar to
each other you know what i mean they specialize
in certain things in combat but i don't know
red ones go fast and the green ones like yeah
but it's not the same as like wood elves is so
different it's literally they are entirely different
it's true there's no wood elves in 40k which
is a crime exodites exodites sorry Who freaking
cares? Nothing burger. Nothing burger with a
side of beer, please. I'll have you know, Eli,
as Exodite's number one fan, they got some minis
recently, don't you know? They did. Hey, I'm
happy they got that kill team. I'm glad, too.
It's still nothing to me. I'm not going to lie.
Now you can have one squad of dinosaurs with
your Eldar army, I guess. You have three dinosaurs.
Great. Great. give a brother a source with guns
on it all right and then we can talk i i hate
children as well like the dark hill like there's
obviously camaraderie which i guess in 40k should
make me happy because it's like technically a
place like it's a thing so true brothers dark
elves are dumb glory to the high elves the dark
house Dark Eldar. What a fool am I? What a fool
am I? I get the same issue, though, with the
Drukhari, that Komoros is kind of amorphous in
terms of it may be enormous. I have no idea how
big Komoros is supposed to be. So I don't get
attached to parts of it. Whereas if I look at
the fantasy world map, I can look at it and get
attached like, oh, I know certain regions. I
know like Nagarond is particularly, you know.
its culture is different from other regions and
other stuff, which is... Naggarond? Is that wrong,
Colin? You can't be saying that. You can't be
saying that, man. You're saying it wrong. It's
a bit. How do you say it? You're saying it right
now. You're saying it right. Let's move on. He's
doing edgy teenager musings. Yeah, but I like
that they have different... You know what I mean?
Like, the world map itself creates variety, and
then Comrade just seems like one big amorphous
blob. Well, that's the ups and downs with the
scale. Like, you can actually get properly attached
to regions and know what they mean, as opposed
to, look, it's a world. Yeah, but Comrade's not
even a world, though. Where does Comrade begin,
and where does it end? Some ass -end of the webway.
which in itself is also a near meaningless statement.
It's in the web way. Yeah. Also like the weird,
like the differences between, I would say that
I mainly find in like 40 K to one fancy elves,
one of the fancy elves actually feel on the most
part smart. Like they actually have wisdom or
if there is characters that don't have wisdom.
it's seen as like a point of contention it's
just like oh that person's a hothead that seems
really out of character but 40k stuff they sometimes
write eldar characters who are meant to be something
like over you know nearly a thousand years old
and this they act dumber than the humans i mean
eli what was that one you were was it you've
read a who is it not phil kelly phil kelly write
that story or just someone else which one gav
thorpe i don't know it's with a certain 20 um
are you talking about i was looking for the model
of the week That is a Phoenix Lord. Did he have
a book or some Eldar character you read and you
hated that novel? Fugin came out on the cover
of the Codex and then didn't get a book, so that
was really cool. There's obviously the Craftworld
trilogy. There's Valador. I read the Karnak campaign
and I really liked it. That might be what you're
thinking. It's a Farsight book. that has a short
story you talked about quite a while ago and
you mentioned oh this is bringing a bell yeah
the old dog character just like he made a stupid
decision and got his like oh is it um the sniper
what's his name um ranger now it it looks like
it wasn't nice it looks nice where's the go i
don't know i do i do know what you're talking
i feel i do remember this interaction somewhat
but i can't remember the story now oh is that
the one where he's just like fighting the necrons
and he makes like kind of dumb decisions and
gets his team killed and you're like are you
supposed to be like a good ranger he's kind of
walks into a bunch of traps no no that's still
the oh it's look mr mike yeah he's putting the
it's it's new ado fireheart it's this really
obscure character who is who hasn't existed really
since third edition and he has a short story
and it's like utter garbage and one of the most
disappointing things i've ever read is that the
guy who it's like the most stupid, obvious fortune,
like there will be a great victory for someone
if you invade this Necron tomb, or am I thinking
of someone else? It was something like that,
yeah. He's the same hand guy who's supposed to
be like really brave and cool dude, but some
like goth Dark Eldar lady with her eyes out manages
him to do stupid stuff. That's literally what
the short story's about. Yeah, it was a gooner
book. It was stupid. He's just like, I was in
the pub the other day. It was the most nothing
burger I've ever read of a 40k book, even more
than The Silent King and books like that. It
was a stupid short story. I too would throw away
all I know to rail some Drukhari. Never mind,
this man is so real, Eli. I'm sorry, I cannot
agree with you. I don't know if this is a fair
comparison to say, but I think Fancy does this
a lot better than 40k. because i think 40k i
don't know if colin would agree with this but
they make the elder almost seem too human in
a sense you know what i mean like there's a part
of it that almost seems like it's just a human
in different armor whereas i was kind of a goober
yeah but if i if i in one of the fantasy i don't
get that impression at all like i i know they
feel like very distinctly not human i feel like
the animation is quite good for this like there's
the uh the x um the exodite animation where there's
like a basically an exodite who's just like oh
the tao they're basically just going to follow
the same things that the humans are doing they're
a dead species and he's kind of above it all
i watched recently the aeronautica show and it
was all about like a again like a thunderbolt
pilot versus a sam hayne pilot of a phantom and
they're having their grudge match and there's
like a whole bit was just like the humans they
die and we don't die but why do they keep throwing
themselves it just this this they're clearly
outclassed and blah blah and he's like trying
to confide with the other elders like they are
childish creatures they don't know any better
and it's like there are glimmers of that but
i i do agree that like they don't feel very unknowable
they just feel like uh they're just arrogant
human humanoids that i do not ironically does
it get that feeling really well and you're gonna
laugh at this the dawn of war three trailer when
it showed the banshees. It shows you their armor,
which is ancient. Yeah, the trailer, that opening
is sick. That gets it correctly. They almost
seem like phantoms. They're haunting the universe
because they're that old. I think that gets the
tone right. If you go read some different Eldar
books, they might seem cooler. They're cool sometimes
when they're not in the Space Marine book. They
can be cool in Alien and Becky. just some authors
are better than others that's just how it'll
be i don't know phil kelly actually wrote their
their codex somewhat decently to give him one
piece of credit nice post color would be the
that aeronautica thing with the uh the dog fight
diary of jane over it yeah yeah i'll say for
the um if we're ready though the next section
is all right No, we did Dark Elves. Because I
mentioned about Naggarond, which you were...
They've got proper historical grievances as opposed
to, I sure do love turning people into chairs.
Which, granted, the Dark Elves also do turn into
a chair. The Dark Elves are needlessly cruel,
but they at least have a legitimate conflict
going on. And reasons to have conflict. They
have a backdoor out of being soul -consumed by
Slaanesh. I find that a bit strange. I would
just kind of... we can just kind of summon ourselves
out of it with like rituals like okay seems a
bit strange well it depends how powerful you
are the homunculi like we figured it out like
how did you do that that's doesn't sound like
you should come back a bit broken but they'll
say oh i just suffered a lot it's like you shouldn't
be like you should and it's fun in their stories
where like a demon uses it as a way to like smuggle
himself into like a summoned drukhari emperor
of the past which is fun but like most of the
time it's just like i hurt a lot like is that
it you're not gonna come back like i have memory
loss or like a repercussion it's like no it sucked
oh okay i say other than that though we have
another section which is uh chaos chaos and fantasy
and chaos and 40k This is a pretty big topic.
When it comes to the champions of Chaos, I would
say Fantasy does better. Archeon is more compelling
than Abaddon. I know there's probably a lot of
Abaddon apologists out there who are like, no,
trust me. I swear, each of the 12 Crusades were
actually for a purpose. That was retroactive,
by the way, they added that in. That's like someone's,
you know, what's the guy who's in that movie
thing? It's like, you know, it doesn't matter
if you lose, you just declare victory or something
and then you go home and you just shout that
you've won. I don't find Abaddon as cool as Archeon.
Archeon has a bit more of a... I guess it's a
bit of a... His lore's kind of weirdly... I don't
really get it, Colin. It comes like weirdly full
circle of his whole thing is I'm not no servant
of chaos. You know, I'm not going to be told
what to do. Ends up doing the exact thing he
was told to do. So I don't really. I don't know.
How do you. Well, he's got his plan is that if
I kill everyone, chaos has no worshippers. Oh,
he hates him that much. He wants to destroy everyone.
Yeah. Oh, I didn't realize it was that bad. He
hates chaos so much, he's willing to become it.
He's doing a Darth Kreia. Alpharius mentioned,
kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself.
But also, like, there are plenty of cool chaos
lords that actually, like, I feel like Fancy
doesn't really give chaos characters outside
of Archeon much chance to shine in their own
novels. Sigvald, dude. Sigvald the Mog. Valkia.
Mogger. Korn has a wife in fantasy. Valkia the
Bloody. Wolfric the freaking Wanderer. Glotkin.
Do they have novels? There is a Wolfric book.
There is a Sigvald book. But how many -ish? How
many Chaos Lords are we talking? It's not about
volume, though. No, no, but my point is Warhammer
has so many like... Cheeky fellas who are just
like that. We had the xanthine book. We've got
the new Alpharius Chaos Lord guy Solomon Akura
All the Legion all the bad legions or the baddies
have like plenty of guys like typhus and stuff,
of course But then they also take a risk going.
Here's a brand new guy. That's like oh we got
that new apostle book where it's about a new
word bearer of chaos lord and then there's the
omnibus for word bearers and there's like there's
so many chaos characters and then there's all
the ones that are like the villain of the week
in the books that are for for good characters
it seems like they've kind of got such a dearth
of perspectives and personalities that i think
it's i mean there's there is a million villain
of the week chaos lords and fantasy too they're
just you know the the villain of the books yeah
yeah but but they but they also but they don't
have as many like bespoke books where they take
a risk on those kind of characters like even
i'll say blade with uh the knight lord's character
with the uh knight lord's omnibus as well etc
like I feel like Warhammer has so many of those
when compared to Fantasy. Part of that at this
point is because Warhammer Fantasy as Warhammer
Fantasy doesn't exist any longer. Yeah. True.
That's why it's not as good as 40k. I would argue
that 40k... Kill him! 40k does do Chaos Champions
slightly better because even though... No one
can beat Lucius. I'll give you that. With each
of the four Chaos Gods in 40k... Each of them
has a compelling champion that you can follow.
Andy makes the point that you can follow throughout
multiple novels and you really get to know them.
Whereas the fantasy ones, they feel more like
archetypes. Valkyr the Bloody is more of like,
that's a cool concept of a character rather than
a character that you actually get to know and
be involved with and follow their downfall, essentially.
That's more of a... it's more of a creature so
you know they're more of a force of nature but
dude like some of them are like their designs
are really cool though he was um i remember he
was like the uh he was a part of uh sigma's like
initial umbarogan tribe and then he's actually
corrupted by slanesh i can't remember what his
name is colin he's like the demon oh yeah no
he was part of that like the four four chaos
guys the okay that's wow yeah in the dlc unbelievably
unhelpful guys as it's not a sale it's it's a
zazel that's it yeah but yeah his design is really
like i find his design cooler than i find lucis's
current design not necessarily the character
but the design other parts but then 40k something
like you know you got typhus you got ariman you
got khan you have so many like compelling characters
that you can enjoy more although i mean like
even in that the chaos legions themselves are
just ridiculous whereas i like warriors of chaos
in fantasy like just standard warriors of chaos
that is better than black legion fight me on
that i do not care if anyone says chaos is a
real threat chaos is a real threat in fantasy
Chaos in 40k is a nothing burger. Yet again.
There's so many nothing burgers in 40k. Chaos
Space Marine is a useless war that is literally
stupid. Joining Chaos gives you nothing and it
damns your soul to hell for eternity. Chaos is
stupid in 40k. Chaos is just dumb. People like
it. Erebus is doing fine. Yeah, until Erebus
freaking dies and he's tormented for eternity.
We haven't seen that. You're jumping the gun.
uh -huh that would be so good i hope corn wears
him like a flashlight that's crazy i said yeah
i'm saying the average warrior of chaos is so
like intimidating because obviously there's no
real like fantasy equivalent they're just there's
that's a big tank of a warrior and you've got
no chance except your musket and maybe you need
10 men with you And then when you get to the
Divergent Chaos God part, I think 40k does that
better, because if you're a fan of Zeech stuff,
you're a fan of Zeech stuff in Warhammer Fantasy,
no offence, Village isn't doing it for me. Mr.
Conjoined Sorcerer Twin is not doing it for me
compared to Ahriman and the Thousand Suns. Dude,
you don't want your circumcised twin growing
out of you? Every day. Old body circumcision?
lovely yeah well yeah i i like there's elements
in it that i like in both i'm very reluctant
so i think 40k just edges out in terms like every
other thing they have with it but i do really
like just bog -standard chaos in um fantasy compared
to bog -standard chaos yeah and there's still
good parts of chaos in 40k airing fantasy Even
if it's not that prevalent, there's still the
good aspects of the Chaos Gods, unlike 40k, where
that's just completely done away with. They made
them worse. Chaos Gods are better in fantasy,
that's for sure. There's also more of them. There's
also some we're missing on. There's all the different
minor gods. Chaos Gods of Law. Or kind of, actually.
They came back in the Age of Sigmar, I think.
What's up? Praise the Brass Bowl. Praise the
Brass Bowl, even though that's... Oh, wait, no.
That's also Turok's The Brass Bowl. But I see
what you mean now. But no, there's also... I'm
just saying. I'm just saying. Beastman as well.
Beastman is better in fantasy. I mean, they hate
them. Yeah. But Beastman is way better. They're
actually a thing. Also, let's not forget Nuffle.
Nuffle? Praise be Blood Bowl. Praise be football.
Football. Calls it football. Barely kicks it.
Invents the name soccer. Doesn't use it. Settle
down, sir. Yeah, we chose not to. Yeah, I was
going to say, should we do something? uh i'll
start us off so um nomius chomsky if they don't
start getting funny i'll start getting i'll start
getting three dollars thank you miss man jones
three five five five Thank you for the $9 .99.
This is my first time giving to you guys. Long
time fan of Pankrus and the channel. I think
you need to get off the Morathi simp wagon and
onto the Elspeth von Draken hype train. Elspeth's
feet are too clean. Okay. I hate that. You said
that. I hate that. Goober404. Hang on. I saw
this one. I need to address something with the
five pounds. Thank you. If they don't start getting
funny, I'll start getting homophobic. I don't
know you. I don't know what you are. But statistically
speaking, you are a man looking at the audience
analytics. And you are the one who said earlier,
Colin, don't stop talking. I'm almost finished.
So, you know, he who lives in glass houses. Should
not throw cum. What is the rule here? Extra medium
for five bucks. Colin, you convinced me to finally
make my first models. On an unrelated note, does
anyone know a good Harlequin paint scheme? Yeah,
you throw your head against the wall and you
choose something easier. Yeah, I was going to
say, do I know of good paint schemes? Oh, plenty.
Do I know how to do that? No. Okay, the actual
thing is like there's a painter's tape. Painter's
tape, like a masking tape. You just cut that
into like strips and then you lay them. Like,
you know, people do hazard stripes. Tiny little
strips. Yeah. You just lay them, you crisscross
them on top of each other and just, that's it.
Do a Van Halen when he made his guitar design
where it's like red and black and white and he
just, he puts bits of tape over and he spray
painted it. Then he took them off and then he
put more stripes on them and that's how he got
that like Frankenstrap design. Why was that my
first thought earlier? I apologize. Oh, Benadryl.
Benadryl. Hello, Benadryl. five bucks hello law
crimes data reminder that exodite models exist
screw you supremacy my tent is still ditched
wow they're cool they're cool it's just you're
not making an army out of that i'm sorry eggs
are tip thank you for 199. so we are all chompsky
now i don't know if you read that already but
i'm reading it again i guess Are you starting?
Colin, you reject of a dwarf man. I'm the OG.
I know. That was Hal. Yeah, that was Hal. Colin
catching strays, bro. What are the names of your
profiles, guys? With a natural PSP. Colin, why
the fuck are you wearing Coca -Cola pajamas?
Fair retort. uh donkey man usa for five bucks
on green's green colin in a chair on his wall
wow we got two new members uh skate later skeleta
stay later later there you go and also green
tea hag who also commented which hogwarts house
would each of you be placed in um What's going
on in college? Anybody say I've never seen Harry
Potter or something like that? No, I've read
the books. I've only seen the first movie, though.
No, I'm thinking of the Family Guy bit. Hufflepuff.
Slytherin. Housing for registered sex offenders.
Oh, man. Bro, I did not say hell out here saying
Game World. I did not say Game World. He's gaming!
It's true. He's got his game out. See the guy's
lies. Thank you for the 50k D Saturnine 72. Also,
where's my 10 hour long lore crimes beginner
to expert the Roman Empire video? Can't wait
for the separate second Punic War video from
that. I've always thought that Colin should do
a history channel or something. I would need
to properly log in for that also. Yeah, I'm quite
busy. Small cocks Colin, cocks all of fantasy.
Faku you 40k, you are next. Wow. Thanks for the
five euros. It was a tough day for Colin. You
good, Andy? You good? Okay, so now that y 'all
back, are we doing mini of the week again? You'll
see. Yes. Also new ogres got me rubbing my belly.
They were good. They were good. What is that
picture? Is that a carved potato? greater than
every jukari character in 40k true and real how
many cut chairs do you need to have before you're
a fantasy it's not it's not in here The dog got
punished. Thank you, Red. We love you. What would
we do without you? Extra medium for two bucks.
Thank you very much, Red. That was incredibly
generous, my god. Two bucks? Fantasy doesn't
have CS gotto. Dude, shout out to the Dawn of
War novels where he wrote that the Eldar steal
Imperial tanks because they're better than Eldar
tanks. Infinite hate and rage. And if I remember
correctly, a bunch of children shoved a stick
up a... up an autarch's butt. Well, of course.
Why not? Probably. You would starve Eli. DonkeyManUSA
for five bucks. Colin wants my replacement laptop.
Brackets. That the HAL video annihilated. Oh
my god. Arrives. I'm drawing thank all times
Colin. Sir, I've explicitly stated it's just
the elves. Please. No rat. Isn't that BCL? DonkeyMan.
Thank you. Swiffy Swoff Brush. That's fun to
say. Name better characters and stories in God
Trick and Felix. Fantasy dub until Votan get
better lore. Twerves, your honor. True. Gavis
Gain's also a banger. I like God Trick. Name
this again. we are sailing through the oceans
of youtube censorship but by the grace of god
are we perfect yes there you are i love living
in the uk yeah simon jeffy for 50 bucks thank
you thank you very much i was going to ask how
you'll feel about the differences between 40k
smash and fantasy slanesh also praise fantasy
for its nurgle w's nurgle is the main character
of fantasy a lot of the time nowadays i feel
like ever since the end times I like both of
them, but Lucius the Eternal is my goat, and
the Emperor's children are really cool. So 40k
does have that going on. Yeah, I would, Sigvald.
I think Fantasy Slaanesh is scarier because they're
willing to touch on the more darker subjects
of it, whereas in 40k they're all space marines
and they only care about huffing spicy stuff
rather than actually... I mean, obviously, like,
it's not necessarily like if you're an author,
I'm sure a lot of them don't already go there
per se. But, you know, I just like want to buy
some death sticks. Shut up, Eidolon. No one cares.
Cut your head off again, bro. Swiffy swath brush
again for two. Archeon had an evil girlfriend,
Abby. No maidens. Wow. Dragon's long. He back.
recovered from his stuff. Oops, thank you for
the $5. Colin, who's the best monster? Musume
girl. I've never seen that show. It was a show.
I thought it was like a thing, like an archetype.
No, no. Well, monster girl is a thing, but I'll...
I'm not reading that. I'm not reading that. Guba404
says, 10 pounds. Thank you. Says thanks for that,
Colin. I've finished now. Wow. Make sure to clean
up after yourself. And horror's acting like,
oh my god. Two pounds. Colin, which member of
the Mournival is hitting raw? None of them have
any sexual, like, anything in them anymore, so
none of them. Tarek? Have you heard the one about
the bear? Because he's a gay man. He's a bear.
Characters always make a joke about the bears.
Hmm. Hmm. Hyperbolic back hole. Wow. For five.
How many more Halo reels do I have to send Pank
before he responds to me? Also, this has been
such a great stream so far. Thank you very much.
Thank you. I didn't know you were sending me
Halo reels. So real. Gray boss. Love that. Love
that profile image. Remember for 11 months. Do
we know that? Do we know that the gene defects
for all legions? I don't think all of them have.
Dark angels are fine. Yeah, they're fine. I think
ultramarines are fine too. Dark angels make some
assholes. Yeah, their gene seed defect is that
they're all cunts. Not even like the fun 40k
way. They're just dicks. Or not like big cunt
energy as the kids say. It's bad. They're not
serving. One for you, Hal. dragon schlong for
five bucks how why are you the front of r slash
dog shakers is this true look that out what is
that oh i just learned what that was like a few
months ago is that for real is that for real
oh this is Oh, dude, this is an easy answer.
I picked the Empire in the Skyrim Civil War because
a united mankind will result in more dead elves
than a divided one. Hmm. If I actually believed
that that was going to work, I'd be on that side,
but I don't, so I'm on the Stormcloak side. An
independent Skyrim has no chance against the
Thalmor. It's not going to work. Mankind needs
to be together. Yeah, but the Thalmor are in
control, man. The Empire don't got no control.
They're both getting ready for war. They know
it's coming. Just give it time. You're too fucking
impatient. What is this? Filthy, stupid Nords
that the slightest bit of independence should
be granted to them. What is that subreddit? I
have no idea what that even means. Look it up.
I just did it. I have no idea what the hell it
was on about. Simon Jeffy for five bucks. This
is the most Hufflepuff slash Ravencore 50 -50
split podcast ever. Decide amongst yourselves
who is in what house. I told you I'm in Slytherin,
man. I'm in Slytherin. I've got ops. I'm in Slytherin.
Nah. Who is your aunt, Hal? Hal's Ravenclaw.
I had people make super cuts about Hal. He looks
like a bird. It's because they love you, Hal.
It's because they love you, not because they're
your aunt. Oh my god. Thank you for the 5A. A
nice thing to wake up to this morning. Which
GW author would you lads like to have publicly
humiliated? And a tomato star one of them. You
already know it's Phil Kelly. You already know.
We probably shouldn't say it because it's going
to impact our careers. Nickheim. Yeah. I'm just
kidding. Oh, dude, I don't give a shit. I'm never
working with GW. They don't care. They don't
like me, I assume. Owlcat does, though. I like
Owlcat, and they sent me a Christmas thing. Yeah.
This is for you, Andy. Voidedoni for 10. Andy,
last night I watched a video of yours, and I
don't know if I smoke too much, but it sounded
like you were speaking at four times speed. Yeah,
I kind of talk quite fast in my videos. Hey,
don't drink 50 milligrams of THC drink. It's
a bad idea. Okay. That party was very slow for
me. I have a memory, a vague memory of I went
to a house party when I was at uni. And I only
have one memory. Arriving, meeting people in
the kitchen, taking shots, and there's nothing
after that. Dude, those are the best parties.
I wasn't there, but I bet I had fun. I don't
know how. I have no recollection. Dude, that
was New Year's for me one year. I got there.
I played Battlefront 2. My friend said, you want
to get blackout drunk? So I had three solo cups
of beer vodka in about 30 minutes. Surprised
you guys still haven't done drunk war crimes.
One of these. For a while, I'm not doing that
at my parents' house, but now my greatest problem
is I drink my liquor too quickly. We might do
Drunk History. Thank you for the $4 .99. Yo,
VC is plotting your kidnapping. Yeah, Big C,
be ready. I assume that means Big C is calling.
Yes. Give me just one moment. Yeah, you're all
getting touched. I joined the Discord really
quickly to say that. Thanks, guys. If there's
any more, though, we should probably circle back
around, maybe. Thank you very much, guys. Yeah,
thank you. The next one, I think, was characters.
So characters between 40k and fantasy. This is
a tough one. Which emperor can still walk? Very
interesting. Isn't Karl Franz dead? So true.
Isn't the Emperor dead? I guess so, but he's
still kind of around. Yeah, and Karl Franz is
now the Hand of God. Yeah. Yeah, isn't Karl Franz
actually dead, though? As in the spirit of Sigmar
had to inhabit his corpse? Celestin Prime. Is
that confirmed to be Karl Franz? Who else is
it going to be? Sure. I don't know. You're making
a bet, baby. Also, you know, I'm just saying,
you know, a flaming sword is cool. Flaming swords
are cool. One of these emperors has the Warhammer.
The actual logo of the hobby. Pardon me. True.
I haven't read enough Warhammer fantasy books
to actually have a... decent enough opinion on
which characters are better i mean dude i like
the bruno the bounty hunter is fun they got you
know matthias the woman the closest thing to
a witch hunter slash inquisitor with a moral
compass uh obviously you know the total war legendary
lords are the big ones belthasar gelt my beloved
funniest funniest guy on the planet uh obviously
gotrek and felix of course need to mention them
let's not pretend that they're not doing a whole
lot of heavy lifting I say that like they're
more so just like, damn, they're fucking sick.
It's interesting that the Godric and the Felix
stuff has had a few different authors, mostly
like William King, then David Geimer. David Geimer,
yeah. Then there's been like a few others who've
done like smaller, like shorter stories. Yeah.
Yeah. But Sandy Mitchell is the only one who's
only done all the Kuyper's Kane novels, I believe.
Yeah. So he's actually, you know. He's been allowed
to have that vision of that character, which,
God forbid, if there's another Kyphos K novel,
I'm so ready for it. I mean, I'm absolutely buying
it. Yeah, I'm ready for number 15. I'm ready
for number 15. Let's do it. A lot of the 40K
characters feel like archetypes. Like, they're
not a character. They are that faction, but making
a character. Space Marines are already archetypes,
so that doesn't help. but i mean characters achievements
generally feel a lot cooler than 40ks because
the fantasy characters actually get to die and
it's not just plot armor all the time i will
say that colin with your point i think that is
true for like some of the more popular characters
when you read some of the more obscure ones that
that becomes less so just because i guess the
characters are a bit like especially inquisitor
books can be a bit more like risky and crazy
like uh atlas infernal i read recently and i
was like oh this is a nice change of pace but
it was a strange book and we'll never see that
character even though he was like the character
who's like does the opening for the l the first
eldar codex is his like quote we'll never see
that character again even though he does some
cool stuff because it's just like it's not dante
it's not manias kalgar it's not like a big space
marine character i think with like i have a thing
for like 40k characters as well I don't know.
It's a weird thing. Even though some of them
are more above human, you weirdly get so much
more variety in a sense of... Because you do
have the human characters as well as the options.
I think 40k can give you both. I think the issue
is the 40k package is more variety and better,
but some of the fantasy characters, they just
almost seem so god -tier interesting. I don't
know if some of them have an equivalent. That's
the issue, isn't it? There's just so many. In
Chaos and all across, Sigvald is very unique
as a Slaanesh character. I don't feel like there
is an equivalent to him. I guess Fulgrim is the
obvious one, but the specific way Sigvald is
written is very different from this demigod tempted
by Slaanesh. He was just a fucking guy. that
Slaanesh found it funny to give him everything
ever he always wanted. Yeah, I mean, Zantine
in his book is kind of like that, but he kind
of does everything wrong. He just ruins a planet
for his own sick, twisted pleasures, and then
his warbands start to turn on him, and it's like,
ugh. I'm going to say, look, even my dislike
of Space Marines and the Horus Heresy, the drop
site, or no, the... Istvan III, Atrocity. I'll
say, you know, that does make me feel a little
bit something. I like that lore event a lot.
You know, all the characters, you know, the Rylor,
the two death guard, the one Drenadon, the one
guy who, you know, this is our death. That's
good. But, you know, it's only been Snorri that's
made me actually tear up. I'm man enough to admit
there was some tears when I read that passage.
when i got to the end of a seizure terror though
i was very much like bro i've been following
that book series for like i don't know how many
deep and when it finally came to the end i was
like oh my god like what is left in life you
know what i mean there's a sense of i don't know
if everyone was willing to do that because obviously
it's a bit insane obviously we're like content
creators so we're obviously we engage more than
most people but that was a bit of a crazy like
cataclysm of like so many threads coming together
at the end of it i was kind of like marveled
at so many things were over i don't know what
we'd like because when i when i read like some
fancy ones or like when i think about godric
and felix and i think you know like at some point
it makes me sadder that it ended like as in like
it had an end point that story whereas like with
warhammer like we figured like horrors heroes
and other stuff i kind of know it was always
going to end that way so i don't feel as sad
and i almost like it weirdly gets to enjoy it
more like it almost feels like it's not over
do you mean like i'm still in it no i i get what
you mean and that is a fair thing but i will
say to some point i wouldn't say that's entirely
fair because it it's a prequel like it's going
in you know obviously there's going to be more
because it's 30k and the game's called 40k um
which again like there's stuff with that like
you know prequels have a lot of things they can
do that more like you know just ongoing stories
can but I don't think I'd say that's like an
indication of even one or the other necessarily
being better. That's almost just like the medium
of a prequel being a prequel. It's, you know,
it just lets you do different things, which again,
for better and worse, like for the better, like
you can flesh stuff out. And then obviously for
the worst though, it's like, well, we know the
end of the Horus heresy from the start, even
if they changed a few things that. perhaps didn't
need to be changed. There's a lot of very flat
characters in 40K. I'm sure there are in fantasy
as well, but generally I find it more enjoyable
to read about fantasy characters than 40K ones.
But that being said, I genuinely enjoy reading
side characters in 40K quite a lot, which are
generally human beings and stuff. Yeah, I do
like a lot. Main character novels are often quite
mid. in 40k i don't know no i know what you mean
like the that's the thing though because like
the fancy stuff is maybe in a good way like probably
gonna hate to hear this but it almost is like
a slight mild blessing that it ended in a sense
of it wasn't like they didn't keep it around
to keep pumping out yeah it's better or worse
like there is an ending i know you know the specifics
of the ending turbo diarrhea but yeah you know
that there's there's no chance they can run a
beloved character into the ground granted because
they ran the setting into the crown but i mean
and me and annie talked about like they've the
40k like novel has been like there's so many
of them and they've been going on for so long
like the point is like it's probably not for
most people but like we've read so many of them
they almost seem formulaic to us because it's
like a thing of you've come for ice cream you've
got ice cream at your ice cream shop why are
you upset you got ice cream which you get every
single day yeah i i i when i read the books more
these days like when i i read a a novel idea
that happens like um in the sabathiel book where
they they basically use like a custodian's body
and attempts to try and like use him as a vessel
to resurrect the emperor and he gets infected
by nurgle and becomes like a like a chaos portal
spawning point i mean ah that's that's cool i've
never seen that before and he's like because
he's like he's basically like um he's like in
a vegetative state and so they can do it to him
and it's like oh we'll get this one chance we
found this custodian body or they'll be like
ah you know atlas infernal which i read recently
which is all about like ah i've I have to get
this artifact to combat this sentient demon.
And it contains the embryo of like a, a blank
and it's in like a lantern thing. And you pull
it up and it, it like soul scourges gray nights
and they instantly die. If they're like, if they
look at it and there's like weird little things
like that, I find interesting. But when it's
space marine stuff, especially it's usually last
stand book or it's trial to become a captain
or a, or a well -regarded member of the space
Marines. ventress's books are quite fun but that's
like an exception where there's like six of them
so there's like lots of room for the maneuver
and chaos stuff is always fun to be honest lords
of silence the honsu stuff chaos is almost always
more enjoyable to read about than regular space
marine stuff even um god blight whether the death
guard like oh here's typhus cameoing in this
Gilliman book, ultramarine book series and he
steals the line. He's such a dick. Regular Imperial
Space Marine books are the weakest books in 40k.
I don't know how they're constantly the most
popular ones. Whatever, whatever. I think because
they ignore character development whereas in
the fantasy novels they're not afraid of character
development as much because the person is going
to ultimately die because they're a person. Even
if they don't die it's because of the scale which
again i prefer the lower scale there's only so
much they can do promoting someone to like chapter
master can you know change entire planets some
guy gets a new sword and fantasy it's great for
his character arc but he can only ruin so much
well there is a book series it's only a two -parter
which is the uh the king's blade books with the
imperial knights that one's very fantasy coded
where it's all like it's daniel and he's his
dad and he's fighting with his family and then
his dad dies and then he becomes the high king
of his household and and then the second books
is all about like an exile from his house it's
like friend and so those books night stuff you
don't see often but it's very fantasy warhammer
fantasy like where you have a realm and you have
a kingdom and that's fun but warhammer has that
40k has that advantage of just you can divert
to a weird fantasy style story one minute then
you could do a space marine story then you could
do a world war ii epic with the guard and then
you could do a weird inquisitorial realm jumping
heist and there's so much stuff you can do but
again you have to go outside of the space marine
stuff often to find that stuff You can, but,
and that is definitely a positive of 40K that
I would say Fantasy doesn't have, but the flip
side of that is that, again, like, these all
feel like separate little mini sandboxes, like
everyone's playing in their own little corner
on their own, and nothing feels connected, because
it's like the thing with, you know, Exterminatus.
You can blow up 50 worlds, the Imperium won't
fucking know about it for 300 years. Like, the
actions don't have nearly as much consequence
until you hit, like, the Great Rift. But then
again, I suppose the alternative is we have an
end times looming in 40K. There was the Black
Crusade, the 13th Black Crusade, and now it seems
a bit like, ah, that was the presage for disaster,
but the disaster hasn't really come yet. There's
a resurgence from the Imperium, so that's kind
of stalled. Yeah, that's just something. There's
something that I don't even necessarily blame
40K as the setting for. That's just because it's
GW's cash cow. Yeah. At least 10 years. Yeah.
Unrelated. I found an artwork I did of an ODST.
You want to see it? Yeah. It's ODST. Oh. Handycam.
Handycam. Eli Cam. It's me. I drew it. I drawed
an ODST. No, that was it. I had my folder on
my desk. There we go. What the hell just happened?
We changed order as well. I just turned all our
cameras off and then I put them back on. That's
all. I'll say we have one last area of... We're
going to talk throughout the whole video so far,
the podcast, about the general law a bit. I think
it'd be okay to go to the last section, which
is the models. fantasy versus 40k in terms of
models it may be a slightly unfair advantage
to 40k because obviously their models are even
some of their old ones are still being updated
whereas fantasy technically died and got resurrected
so it was offline for quite a while but i do
have to say uh there's a slight downside to 40k
here they have like i say fancy ones if they
have old ones that don't look as good there's
a certain charm to them you know what i mean
like you don't mind if it's you know i don't
care if my halfling looks like you know basically
someone who's been like thrown against the wall
and told to walk again immediately like i don't
mind if it looks a bit off but you know 40k ones
when they have some blunders And they have blunders
that are only, like, less than a few years old
as well. Like, Inquisitor Kosias is an infamous,
like, what the hell is that? His face looks like
anime. Like, it looks weirdly proportioned. But
for every one of those, we get an Afon Shan or
something that's like, ooh, what are you doing
there, GW? Let me give you, let me have a look
at that. Ooh, what's this? At the end of the
day, we're just comparing old models to new models,
so it depends what you want. All right. charm
and uniqueness. The new models are all sleek
and fancy. That being said, Cathay kind of came
in swinging on the modeling front. Very true,
actually. Even the new old world stuff, like
the new Warriors of Chaos, that's good. That's
pretty real. Fantasy models are almost always
more unique. I will say... Pardon me. Sorry,
you go ahead. I think I probably prefer fantasy
models overall compared to 4K. There's something
that in some ways is almost like, some people
might say it's a downside, but something I really
appreciate about fantasy is that the basic models
all look very similar and they fit together properly
and they're not very outlandish. Even a lot of
4K stuff, and depending on the arm, all of it
is very gaudy and heavily detailed, which is
the point to some extent. It feels like I can
appreciate a fantasy like army put together more
because for one, it's much more easier to tell
who's important. Like the basic empire spearman
is a dude with a breastplate and some brightly
colored, you know, trousers underneath. Whereas
then, you know, the demographic knives are the
ones where, you know, all the details put in
because they're not random schmuck with spear.
Like even some of the guard minis, which again,
they're just random guys. Like there's a lot
going on in a Kriegsman mini. There's like a
lot of stuff with like all of that. Whereas like,
you know, the nature of rank and flank, I feel
like everything fits together much more effectively.
Like a big scale fantasy army, I feel hits differently
to like an equivalent point 40K army because
the basing and like the design of everything
in fantasy feels much more designed to fit alongside
each other. Whereas in 40K, the models. feel
much more designed as to be their own thing,
which has some positives, but this is an army
game. At the end of the day, it's a war game.
And when the army's put together in fantasy with
those models, even the older models, and let's
be honest, the fantasy ones are by and large
much more dated than 40K. I'm not going to pretend
they aren't. But when a good old world or fantasy
army's put together, I feel like it looks a lot
more impressive than... 50 different space marines
that are either overly detailed or look identical.
A guard regiment wouldn't have that problem.
A Necron regiment wouldn't have that problem.
Tau is a bit trickier because they've got all
the mech suits, but that's a very space marine
issue. Even some of the guard stuff, like I said,
like Krieg, there's so much going on. And some
of it is like, it's a, it's a basing thing, but
the basing is part of the models. Everything
fits together just physically much better in
fantasy because it's a rank and flank game. Everything's
designed to be put in blocks of formations and
move forward. 40K is not really designed. This
is at a certain point, definitely a personal
preference thing. I will, I will be fully honest,
but I just, to me, the rank and flank and the
way everything fits properly together because
of the bases and the design of the game. A fantasy
army looks much more impressive than a 40k one.
And also because of the way a lot of fantasy
armies are built, they look vastly different.
40k, and it's something Age of Sigmar is doing
too. I feel like it's been leading more and more
into the army has the theme and it's all going
to be the same. Not entirely. Armies like Julius's
Lord of Skulls. yeah or them or like knight armies
are quite impressive to like look at and obviously
you'll have like there's no like named obviously
like canis rex is the only one who's like a named
knight character for a model please you're forgetting
lord horum canorum oh he's not got five million
words i yeah i know i know what you mean the
blade of koto wielder of the heraldic flame yeah
all those ones speaks to me. I, too, like Dynasty
Warriors. It's a great series. I do. With a dragon.
I get a dragon, lady. House of the Dragon? I
haven't seen it. The Ogre Tribe's called to me.
My people. I would say, like, if we're talking
about Age of Sigmar, it might be a slightly different
story, but, I mean, 40k does have some pretty
incredible stuff, though. I don't know if you
get the equivalent I mean, the new Chaos Dragon
is pretty ridiculous. That's pretty good. But
40k is like, you know, all the demon Primark
models, even if it's like little guys, you know,
like all the new Eldar refresh on their range
looks pretty sweet. All the new Phoenix Lords
are done really well. When they pull off 40k
well, like it's, I think they really know what
they're doing when they hit their stride with
it. Like they understand the brief quite well.
uh fantasy again like i think it it might be
like nostalgia talking a lot but the nostalgia
does hit quite hard with some of the stuff but
then other ones i'm i mean like probably 40k
as well like some stuff i'm very meh on i couldn't
leagues of votan could honestly disappear tomorrow
and i'm not sure anyone would notice for three
days bro can't go one stream without talking
about leagues of votan it's such a missed opportunity
they're so We know how. Oh, we know. You agreed
with me, Andy, last time. I know, I know. We've
already shat on them enough. Even when I was
a younger kid, I liked fantasy stuff more than
40k at the time as well, I'm pretty sure. Although
I played more 40k than fantasy. Something about
the fantasy models is just different. It's just
different, as they say. I liked it. And I also
like looking through the Fantasy Army books a
lot more than looking through a 40k codex. Wow.
Yeah. I think though, we say, I would say that
overall, if you guys had to choose 40k or fantasy,
Eli, you'd say fantasy. I'm pretty sure Colin
doesn't even need to be asked. Nah. And are you
a 40k one? I don't know. I don't read any of
the fancy stuff, to be honest. The models, just
the models. Oh, the models. Again, I don't mind
the models. But again, I like the Space Marine
stuff. I like the armored vehicles. I like the
Knights. I like the Mechanicus stuff. I like
the variety. I like how 40K looks. And I don't
say that Warhammer fancy minis don't look good,
especially their Age of Sigmar lines. Some of
the stuff they come out of there is like whack.
Again, I just like 40k more. I'm more of a sci
-fi fan than fantasy, I suppose. I like both.
I think I like fantasy models more overall. It
doesn't necessarily mean I like fantasy more
overall, but it's really hard to choose something
like that. Wow, we actually had some reasonable
takes. With that, though... we should uh there's
a last few of the uh donations before we get
on to yep the miniature of the week let's start
us off with horus axamog uh colin 100 farting
loads for tarik crazy stuff what do you mean
yeah that's that's evil we got to put this man
in the contraption that bros loses a goose down
there hot dog through a tunnel he's wet as gripper
for two canadian i get the impression how as
an odor kink Colin is blank. I actually have
the opposite. I hate bad smells. Yeah, no, I
don't. Unless you stink good. God, take that
back. I hate that. I fucking hate that. It's
disgusting. USA, him and Mike and people are
arguing about if Snorri is washed or not, basically.
I think you're the $5 silence, Mike. Snorri knows
better as my top guy. Snorri's the goat. Simon
Jeffy, does 40k have Boingob though? It doesn't.
Fantasy doesn't. Fantasy also doesn't have Boingob.
But they had Boingob. That was in Age of Sigmar.
Yeah. Robert Smith YM5QX Last the Cypher Adric
video had a dedicated section for Hal talking
about his models. I couldn't help but buckle.
That is actually not true. Bricky, they asked
me. I think the context is DK has a thousand
sons. I asked him if he had done any more painting
on them. He's not touched them for like three
years or something. Kill this man. And then Bricky
asked me if I painted it by models, and I said
I finished painting my thousands. Oh, yes, here
you go. Look at my Magnus red. In fact, Magnus
is not here, actually. Son of a bitch. It could
be worse. I did an episode of Dead Space for
Acceptable Losses, and I had to go take a piss,
and they kept that in. They forgot to delete
it. I'm like, whoops. Oh, well. Big one. Thank
you very much. Thank you for the 50 bucks. First
time super chatting you guys or anyone. Well,
thank you very much. Thank you. Watch you all
in some form or another. So thanks for all the
great entertainment fellows. Of course. Thank
you for being here. Thank you. Love both settings
because there were dwarfs in both and they are
the best. Don't care what you say. Hail. Hail.
Hailey. Thank you very much. Dwarves. They're
not dwarves. They're squats and 40K. They're
like imitating. They're not even squats anymore.
Diet dwarves. We're cooler when they were squats.
They had funny American motorcycle gang culture.
monte scarf a 10 australian i kind of want gilliman
to meet kane and share a drink with him as they
both vent about the idiots they have to deal
with every day kate will be quietly uh shut shutting
himself the whole time i think kane couldn't
muster a word in front of gilliman because he'd
be afraid he would see him for the fraud that
he thinks he is yeah imposter syndrome Biggest
squigging. I love saying that name. Two bucks.
New WC Mogmost of 40k. Those new bottles are
so good. They do. This is a pretty good point.
Voidy Don't Eat. Thank you for $38 .48. $5. I
like 40k because I find aliens hot. Is that a
picture of Orange? That is Orange Ben Shapiro.
I didn't know we had Commander Shepard donating
to us. I was going to say, you should check out
Mass Effect. You'd love Mass Effect. But not
the Krogan, which I think is a crime. Oh, the
Krogans, they have a quad. Why can't you bang
the Krogans? Four balls. Big Micah. Big Micah.
Big Micah's HC, I'll say. Fortige has tanks and
never had the end times win. They have steam
tanks. There are tanks. The tanks part is just
wrong. The end times is just kind of unfortunate.
Fantasy coming out was Leonardo da Vinci's plans
for the first tank. He's like, does it work?
There's also the Doomwheel, which is not quite
a tank, but by god is it more interesting. It's
funny. It's kind of weird that wars don't have
a steam tank equivalent. They got freaking gyrocopters.
You'd think they'd have some kind of tank thing.
The Marienburg steam tank has just hit second
end time, sir. The big land boat. Spooky. You
can see it, man. Spooky spooky. For two bucks.
Wars of Chaos, most iconic Warhammer models,
period. That is so true. Well, have you ever
seen a Tau battle suit? They're pretty iconic.
The Tau need a refresh. Don't patronize me. Don't
patronize. No, they don't. Why don't you show
us your models? That's fine. I meant my in -laws,
bro. Actually, I have my in -laws there. Oh,
no, I don't. No, they're at home. I love the
idea that you have like a stash of minis at your
in -laws. it's like just in case battles have
been updated we need to refresh i'm going to
kill this guy i'm going to fly to uk kill this
guy i've got the best balls i'm talking about
cold star face or something Simon Jeffy for $10.
Warhammer Fantasy has the audacity to give us
vampire pirates and not give us the ability to
field them. That is true. Vampire Coast is amazing.
That is pretty true. Where's Harkon's top guy?
Luther Harkon's top guy. We haven't seen him
for a while. That's true. He's not been on my
end either. Last one here. Fat Ghost Production
has become a member. Thank you very much. Never
mind. We don't need to read the next one. Never
mind. Colin, it's for you. You've given us money.
You've given us hard -earned cash. Goober404,
thanks for the £10. Love you guys. Thanks for
all the good content. You're very welcome. Also,
Colin, I'm ready to go again. Wow. It took him
20 minutes to get back up. Wow. Pretty good recognition.
With that being said, though, guys, we have,
once again, the mini of the week is back. And
we've chosen a little selection for you guys
here. So I'm going to start with, I believe this
was Colin's pick from Liv. That's pretty cool.
He's a rude priest. Yeah, it's Space Wolf. They
painted for a friend, which, you know. I don't
like the wolves, but I think it's a cool paint
job. I like the axe. You know, it's for a pal.
I can never hate something, you know. Especially
that painted a gift for a friend. Who's that
by? Liv. Yeah, thanks, man. Very sweet. I want
to live. The next one, was this your one, Eli?
I don't know if we've featured this before. This
is Spooky Kabuki's Usharan. bro's always posting
up his fancy ad models i need to get him to paint
showing off about with all those minis i'm like
oh you got like here's seven like oh spooky we
can only pick one there's nothing to say other
than uh it's freaking usheran and it looks very
good i don't know what else to tell you it's
it's uh better than anything i could ever do
that's for sure the blood effects be going crazy
down there look at him i gave him the magna sword
we are twins This model is so good, by the way.
With your mouth closed, mate. I wish there was
something I could think of to use this guy as
in my 40k or something. Make him a demon prince.
He's my demon prince. Get him out of here. Get
out of here. This isn't your time to shine, Hal.
This is for the community. This one, I believe,
was this? we have the stick of the stick necrons
i love this i love this trend this is so it's
it's annoyingly funny how well the weapons are
painted as well like it's like the horse where
it's being drawn it's cut into frames and it's
just like yeah it's worse it's like but this
is like middle yeah yeah yeah oh i like this
somehow other than funny i like the eyes on the
belly Does it need much explanation? I think
this is, I mean, can I just point out it is perfectly
edge highlighted as well. Yeah. It's just funny.
That's awesome. I like this. And then my pick
was from Donkeyman. It's a Skaven Knight. Continuing
the cool Skaven stuff. Is that Helbrecht? I think
that is Helbrecht. That's the Helbrecht model.
Is that a Space Wolf shield with Iron Warriors?
Is it? that looks like the minute is that like
the who's the who's the minotaur guy yeah is
that his shield maybe that's a big shield i think
it's too it looks too big to be a space wolf
thing yeah it's just the little holes in it look
like the uh like honor guards shields they have
space wars but then it is like they they should
be like circular is it a headhunter's shield
it might be a headhunter shield yeah space booster
yeah but i feel like it's An edge added to it
or something. That is cool. That makes sense.
Donkey Man, your army is so cool, man. Yeah,
I love it. That was our donation. Do you want
to read this one, Eli? Sure. Justin Pierce, 9611,
thank you for the $5. AOS has to be included
with old world slash direct line of plot. Models
are the most important part, so therefore AOS
trumps fantasy over 40k. As you wish. I just
like space marines, okay? I think they're cool.
They're for better. They're for better. Everything
the AOS team does, except for the Stormcast,
is better than the 40k ones. What are we going
to do with the Stormcast now? Make them silver.
Okay. That did actually help, to be fair, though.
I guess with that being said, though, hopefully
we've... worked out uh if fantasy or 40k is better
than the other one or at least people had some
opinions on it uh thank you guys for listening
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