WEBVTT 00:00:11.849 --> 00:00:13.949 hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome to lore 00:00:13.949 --> 00:00:17.730 crimes today we will be discussing or comparing 00:00:17.730 --> 00:00:21.170 warhammer fantasy and warhammer 40 000 deciding 00:00:21.170 --> 00:00:24.449 which one did it better looking at things like 00:00:24.449 --> 00:00:28.890 their factions their storylines chaos etc who's 00:00:28.890 --> 00:00:34.750 the best also i'm back hello hope you're well 00:00:34.750 --> 00:00:38.170 god all four all four of the boys are together 00:00:38.170 --> 00:00:41.520 um The gauntlet is down. I can already sense 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:47.159 the White Scars bias immediately. I think it's 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.399 going to be quite as good as White Scars. Thank 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:52.659 you guys for listening, obviously. Today, we'll 00:00:52.659 --> 00:00:55.340 just save you guys listening. 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We can compare 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:45.939 some of the cool parts here. We are obviously 00:01:45.939 --> 00:01:49.819 lore guys, so obviously people will let us know 00:01:49.819 --> 00:01:53.579 how we're going. Let us know your opinions. Lore 00:01:53.579 --> 00:01:58.680 guys committing lore crimes? Yeah. I'll get them 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:03.359 to kill me. I'm grabbing for the rope. Me too, 00:02:03.420 --> 00:02:07.219 man. On a lighter note, it's time to compare... 00:02:07.219 --> 00:02:09.680 Well, we're going to start with a category of 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:12.120 the human factions, I think, because that's a 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:15.719 fair place to start. Colin, for those who don't 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:19.500 know, do you want to rep your fantasy? Do you 00:02:19.500 --> 00:02:21.819 want to say who is essentially the main protagonist 00:02:21.819 --> 00:02:24.969 of the humans in that one fantasy? That would 00:02:24.969 --> 00:02:27.310 be, you know, in the same way that the Imperium 00:02:27.310 --> 00:02:31.090 is the protagonist faction of, you know, 40K. 00:02:31.169 --> 00:02:33.629 The Empire of Man would definitely be the protagonist 00:02:33.629 --> 00:02:35.770 of Warhammer fantasy. At least, you know, in 00:02:35.770 --> 00:02:39.050 the focus of who the narrative is looking at 00:02:39.050 --> 00:02:43.770 for the most part. It's, you know, the Holy Roman 00:02:43.770 --> 00:02:47.509 Empire with the serial numbers filed off. You 00:02:47.509 --> 00:02:49.710 know, there's a good bit more detail into that, 00:02:49.750 --> 00:02:51.689 especially after, you know, 40 years of lore 00:02:51.689 --> 00:02:55.639 development. But it's quite... German, man, possum, 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:59.580 don't tempt me. Real possum. Possum says repping, 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.360 saying General Grievous and then logging off. 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:04.460 Yeah, and then leaving the call. Tempting, tempting, 00:03:04.539 --> 00:03:07.840 but we won't be doing that. But yeah, it's a 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:11.780 renaissance to early industrial times, depending 00:03:11.780 --> 00:03:16.759 on what city and where you're at. It's a quaint 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:18.900 little place to be. It's the greatest empire, 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:21.719 the greatest realm of man in all of the world. 00:03:23.629 --> 00:03:26.009 Which, until recently, there really wasn't any 00:03:26.009 --> 00:03:28.250 competition for that title anyway. So that's 00:03:28.250 --> 00:03:33.770 quite... Yeah. I should also say there's My People, 00:03:33.949 --> 00:03:37.590 the Kislev. Kislev exists, which is essentially... 00:03:37.590 --> 00:03:39.849 Imagine if you grabbed all of Eastern Europe 00:03:39.849 --> 00:03:43.169 and shoved it into a bag. One big scoop. Shook 00:03:43.169 --> 00:03:46.689 the bag up and then threw it all out into a medieval... 00:03:46.689 --> 00:03:52.300 It's the Slavic specialty stew. Yeah, we... you 00:03:52.300 --> 00:03:55.099 know we get that treatment god forbid we um get 00:03:55.099 --> 00:03:56.759 like a witcher adaptation or something and they 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:58.939 ruin it i'm still bitter no that would never 00:03:58.939 --> 00:04:01.620 happen that would never happen yeah yeah there's 00:04:01.620 --> 00:04:04.020 only two seasons of the witcher though isn't 00:04:04.020 --> 00:04:06.180 the case that the author of the witcher books 00:04:06.180 --> 00:04:08.340 is like i hate the games because what what do 00:04:08.340 --> 00:04:10.719 you mean there's like different hat like schools 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:13.840 of witches that's i didn't write that how dare 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:17.779 you i mean there are different schools of witches 00:04:17.779 --> 00:04:21.430 in the uh the novels if i remember like the there's 00:04:21.430 --> 00:04:24.370 the human guy who um he hunts down some of the 00:04:24.370 --> 00:04:26.550 other like he hunts down witches you know like 00:04:26.550 --> 00:04:31.470 medallions of other schools um i i don't know 00:04:31.470 --> 00:04:33.310 well maybe it's just like specific schools he 00:04:33.310 --> 00:04:37.050 didn't read leon bonhart is that his name maybe 00:04:37.050 --> 00:04:39.110 it's been a while since i've read the witch anyway 00:04:39.110 --> 00:04:41.610 it's not about the witcher though um we just 00:04:41.610 --> 00:04:43.990 say there is uh colin there's a new kid in the 00:04:43.990 --> 00:04:46.629 block as well what is uh what happened with grand 00:04:46.629 --> 00:04:52.689 cafe what did they do there Indeed. They, you 00:04:52.689 --> 00:04:56.009 know, they've been around. They have been around. 00:04:56.189 --> 00:04:58.189 They were definitely the background faction that 00:04:58.189 --> 00:05:01.649 had the most lore, but, you know, that's... I'm 00:05:01.649 --> 00:05:04.610 the smartest of all, you know, the high schoolers 00:05:04.610 --> 00:05:06.290 that were held back a year. You know, there's 00:05:06.290 --> 00:05:08.149 only so much you can give them credit for that. 00:05:08.990 --> 00:05:11.430 But, you know, they've always been, you know, 00:05:11.430 --> 00:05:17.579 fantasy China. The only reason it's... A little 00:05:17.579 --> 00:05:20.259 bit better of a name than Nippon is because less 00:05:20.259 --> 00:05:22.699 people are aware that Cathay is a name for China 00:05:22.699 --> 00:05:24.639 than they are that Nippon is what, you know, 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:28.579 the Japanese call Japan. So, but yeah, you know, 00:05:28.579 --> 00:05:31.620 it's fantasy China. They got, you know, like 00:05:31.620 --> 00:05:34.199 the Terracotta Warriors. Well, in Warhammer fantasy, 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.379 those things are 50 feet tall and, you know, 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.759 beat you to death. They're ruled by dragons. 00:05:38.860 --> 00:05:41.519 You know, that's the cool Chinese style of dragon 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:44.050 as opposed to the Western style of dragon. More 00:05:44.050 --> 00:05:50.050 of a snake dragon, isn't it? Soldiers. They have 00:05:50.050 --> 00:05:53.009 a really cool roster, though, in terms of their 00:05:53.009 --> 00:05:57.930 stuff as well. And it's like a thing where in 00:05:57.930 --> 00:06:00.310 Warhammer 40k, I guess the equivalent is supposed 00:06:00.310 --> 00:06:03.129 to be the White Scars, but it's not really the 00:06:03.129 --> 00:06:04.990 equivalent, is it? That's the closest you could 00:06:04.990 --> 00:06:08.769 get to it. Even then, the White Scars are more 00:06:08.769 --> 00:06:15.639 Mongolian. Yeah. Yeah. I've been rereading scars 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:17.560 for, for a logic class episode. And there's like 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:19.319 a bit where Torgan's like, I'm a bit annoyed 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.560 that the legions, like specifically recruiting 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:24.500 from, from the Asiatic tribes are like, well, 00:06:24.620 --> 00:06:27.560 it's the Asian coded faction. When is this? Like, 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:29.959 it wasn't the great crusade all about, we're 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:32.279 putting that behind us and being like multicultural. 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:35.639 It was like, shut up, Torgan, shut up. No one 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:40.850 cares. It was cool. Like the, I think the Empire 00:06:40.850 --> 00:06:43.589 of Man is like the main focus in Warhammer fantasy. 00:06:43.829 --> 00:06:47.149 I guess I say it's fair to say that 90 % of the 00:06:47.149 --> 00:06:51.610 novels of human focused stuff are Empire of Man. 00:06:52.149 --> 00:06:54.629 Oh, like of human focused stuff at least. Yeah. 00:06:56.029 --> 00:06:58.610 There's definitely a lot more Empire books out 00:06:58.610 --> 00:07:01.029 of all than there are other ones. There's a couple, 00:07:01.170 --> 00:07:04.629 like even I guess the Ulrica books are closer 00:07:04.629 --> 00:07:06.649 to the vampires than they are Cathay now, aren't 00:07:06.649 --> 00:07:13.930 they? Let's see. Yeah. I'm also going to count 00:07:13.930 --> 00:07:17.689 as well the fact they have vampires. They have 00:07:17.689 --> 00:07:20.829 vampires as the human factions because that's 00:07:20.829 --> 00:07:23.110 something in Warhammer 40k they do not really 00:07:23.110 --> 00:07:27.509 have. There's no vampires, which I do like vampires. 00:07:28.649 --> 00:07:32.189 I guess so, yeah. I mean, those are there, but 00:07:32.189 --> 00:07:35.410 they're not proper vampires, right? They're not 00:07:35.410 --> 00:07:38.290 turning into bats and the sun is out, so it's 00:07:38.290 --> 00:07:43.550 time to melt. It ain't no proper von Karstein. 00:07:43.870 --> 00:07:47.230 They're awesome. There are those Xenos as well. 00:07:47.449 --> 00:07:48.350 I can't remember what they're called though. 00:07:49.629 --> 00:07:53.009 The actual vampires. Hulghasts. Hulghasts are 00:07:53.009 --> 00:07:57.189 kind of vampire -ish. I can't remember what those 00:07:57.189 --> 00:07:58.910 ones are. Yeah, I don't know what that is. You 00:07:58.910 --> 00:08:03.410 could be lying to me for all I know. Bro, you 00:08:03.410 --> 00:08:12.290 can't say that. With the Hulghast? Wow. In 40k, 00:08:12.370 --> 00:08:14.550 though, I would say between the human factions, 00:08:14.949 --> 00:08:17.589 there's obviously a huge amount of variety. The 00:08:17.589 --> 00:08:19.829 scale's obviously not really comparable compared 00:08:19.829 --> 00:08:23.569 to one world in an entire galaxy. But I'd say 00:08:23.569 --> 00:08:26.529 One More Fantasy does a pretty good job at getting 00:08:26.529 --> 00:08:30.850 itself across that there's more than one focus 00:08:30.850 --> 00:08:36.029 in the world. Because it's only on one world, 00:08:36.110 --> 00:08:38.529 they need to develop multiple parts of the world. 00:08:39.019 --> 00:08:44.919 You can't just go hive world. What's on that 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:50.940 world? Hive world. It's a hive world. I will 00:08:50.940 --> 00:08:53.740 say some of that is definitely a matter of taste. 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:58.320 40K is hardly the only sci -fi setting to have 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:00.720 this is the world of X. That would be just about 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:08.720 all of them ever written. In fantasy, they had 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:11.240 to make the world a lot more full than any individual 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.580 40k world necessarily needs to be because you 00:09:13.580 --> 00:09:15.759 can't just go to another planet there's only 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:20.000 one of those here between uh the human factions 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.059 here though what do you guys find more exciting 00:09:24.059 --> 00:09:28.139 like better between the imperial guard and the 00:09:28.139 --> 00:09:30.659 empire of man because that's a real tough question 00:09:30.659 --> 00:09:36.110 god god god god god get away get a guy Yeah, 00:09:36.169 --> 00:09:39.370 there's everything from Vestroians to Cadians 00:09:39.370 --> 00:09:42.610 to Catachans to... Yeah, they're all cool. I'm 00:09:42.610 --> 00:09:44.870 not going to say that the guard isn't cool. Anyone 00:09:44.870 --> 00:09:48.570 who says that, it's just silly. Even the, like, 00:09:48.590 --> 00:09:53.610 Drukian high... Drukian fengard. All those, like, 00:09:53.649 --> 00:09:58.690 so much variety. Druki. Interesting, interesting. 00:09:59.190 --> 00:10:00.830 And yeah, there's, like, so much of them. Even 00:10:00.830 --> 00:10:04.409 the Volponi bluebloods and stuff like that. Yeah, 00:10:04.590 --> 00:10:06.730 there's so much. and then i feel a lot of them 00:10:06.730 --> 00:10:10.590 and they're all empires just germanic peoples 00:10:10.590 --> 00:10:14.090 we'll see that okay well we should be we should 00:10:14.090 --> 00:10:16.250 be comparing the empire imperial guard we shouldn't 00:10:16.250 --> 00:10:18.610 be comparing the imperial guard and every human 00:10:18.610 --> 00:10:20.769 faction in warhammer fantasy yeah but then we 00:10:20.769 --> 00:10:23.110 have to talk about bretonia yeah that is true 00:10:23.110 --> 00:10:25.830 which are awesome yeah never mind never mind 00:10:25.830 --> 00:10:29.690 kill this guy kill this guy but uh no it's i 00:10:29.690 --> 00:10:32.409 mean he's always more fleshed out and it's just 00:10:33.289 --> 00:10:35.169 Everything just matters more, which is nice. 00:10:35.429 --> 00:10:39.570 There are different sub -things within the Empire. 00:10:39.889 --> 00:10:42.850 The different elector counts have their specialties. 00:10:42.950 --> 00:10:46.210 One of them has rifles, like proper modern rifles. 00:10:47.309 --> 00:10:51.690 No, that's Hawkland. Oh, Hawkland long rifles. 00:10:52.990 --> 00:10:58.149 They have different traditions and whatnot. Just 00:10:58.149 --> 00:11:00.129 the same as the different worlds of the guard 00:11:00.129 --> 00:11:03.500 all have different traditions. Again, in reality, 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.539 different countries and even regions within countries. 00:11:09.059 --> 00:11:12.659 If you go to someone in the South and say, yeah, 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:15.080 you're basically a New Yorker, you're getting 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:20.059 shot. Is it that bad? It's not that bad. If you 00:11:20.059 --> 00:11:22.019 call them a Yank, if you call someone in the 00:11:22.019 --> 00:11:25.320 South a Yankee, you might get yanked at least. 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:27.799 Is that because the Yankees are a team, aren't 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:30.639 they? No, that's because the Yanks are the Northerners. 00:11:31.629 --> 00:11:36.909 yeah oh civil war hello my fellow my fellow unionists 00:11:36.909 --> 00:11:40.570 like ah oh no but the thing is if we're going 00:11:40.570 --> 00:11:42.549 to be like okay we're going to make a distinction 00:11:42.549 --> 00:11:45.889 between all the different human factions in fantasy 00:11:45.889 --> 00:11:48.230 are we going to include on the 40k side of things 00:11:48.230 --> 00:11:51.850 arbitrators we're going to involve the administratum 00:11:51.850 --> 00:11:55.730 the inquisition i don't know if we need to look 00:11:55.730 --> 00:11:57.830 for like But those aren't cultures. Those are 00:11:57.830 --> 00:12:00.710 just, like, jobs. That's the problem. And that's 00:12:00.710 --> 00:12:03.250 the thing. There's a culture within them, though. 00:12:03.350 --> 00:12:05.690 I mean, Ecclesiarchy's got a culture, being religion. 00:12:06.090 --> 00:12:08.029 They do. Yeah, but at the end of the day, there's 00:12:08.029 --> 00:12:12.149 people. It is all, like, the Imperium is much 00:12:12.149 --> 00:12:16.009 more monolithic. There's no other options. The 00:12:16.009 --> 00:12:19.830 flesh now is so lacking. Which ones do you guys 00:12:19.830 --> 00:12:22.629 feel more drawn to, though? Because obviously 00:12:22.629 --> 00:12:26.049 there's the... we also all like warhammer 40k 00:12:26.049 --> 00:12:30.389 but is there like a secret kind of like a secret 00:12:30.389 --> 00:12:32.049 source i'd say but like something about what 00:12:32.049 --> 00:12:35.049 i'm a fancy like the in you know the empire of 00:12:35.049 --> 00:12:38.970 man there's something to it which feels i don't 00:12:38.970 --> 00:12:43.169 know like the more grounded side of it again 00:12:43.169 --> 00:12:46.110 i i know it makes no sense but like having a 00:12:46.110 --> 00:12:51.379 a group of boys with a um was it not a matchlock 00:12:51.379 --> 00:12:54.720 rifle a flintlock pistol or flintlock rifles 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.259 just somehow like i see more i feel more drawn 00:12:58.259 --> 00:13:01.139 to that as like a regular human some reason like 00:13:01.139 --> 00:13:03.820 this it tickles something in my brain does anyone 00:13:03.820 --> 00:13:07.139 else feel like that same way yeah also a lot 00:13:07.139 --> 00:13:09.899 easier to like relate and sympathize with the 00:13:09.899 --> 00:13:15.429 empire and just generally be on their side Because 00:13:15.429 --> 00:13:17.730 it's just a desperate situation of humans fighting 00:13:17.730 --> 00:13:20.889 against things. It's not this giga empire that's 00:13:20.889 --> 00:13:22.970 slowly decaying. It's like an actual real... 00:13:22.970 --> 00:13:26.350 It's why Halo has so much better stories than 00:13:26.350 --> 00:13:30.370 40k. Because everything actually matters. And 00:13:30.370 --> 00:13:32.870 it's really easy to cheer for the humans in Halo. 00:13:32.970 --> 00:13:35.850 It's quite easy to cheer for the humans in Warhammer 00:13:35.850 --> 00:13:38.470 Fantasy as well. Other than just liking the other 00:13:38.470 --> 00:13:42.990 factions. But the vampires... I don't want the 00:13:42.990 --> 00:13:45.269 vampires to be humans. That's ridiculous. Whereas 00:13:45.269 --> 00:13:48.129 in 40K, some people find it easier to root for 00:13:48.129 --> 00:13:49.990 the Eldar or the Tau and et cetera, et cetera. 00:13:50.669 --> 00:13:52.649 So it's a lot easier to get on. Never ask an 00:13:52.649 --> 00:13:55.070 Imperial Guard general what the most common deployment 00:13:55.070 --> 00:13:59.070 of the Imperial Guard is. Do you think? It's 00:13:59.070 --> 00:14:04.309 riots. It's killing rioters. Let's not forget 00:14:04.309 --> 00:14:06.710 that the Spartans, what were they originally 00:14:06.710 --> 00:14:10.870 developed for, Colin? Also killing rioters. True. 00:14:12.750 --> 00:14:17.929 But then aliens happened. Would you say then 00:14:17.929 --> 00:14:20.889 between... Obviously, we're not comparing it 00:14:20.889 --> 00:14:24.870 to Age of Sigmar, but is Warhammer fantasy greater 00:14:24.870 --> 00:14:28.429 or lesser for not having an equivalent of Space 00:14:28.429 --> 00:14:35.200 Marines? I mean, I would say greater. I would 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:37.799 say greater. And don't get me wrong. As much 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:39.639 as I love bitching about space Marines, I still 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:42.379 find them cool. Look, that's how people get into 00:14:42.379 --> 00:14:45.200 Warhammer. You see that, you're like, damn, that 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:50.019 guy's pretty sick. But I don't know. Like Eli 00:14:50.019 --> 00:14:51.740 said, it makes the struggle feel a little more 00:14:51.740 --> 00:14:55.289 real. Because even with the guard, right? They 00:14:55.289 --> 00:14:58.309 got tanks. A Baneblade is not a small thing. 00:14:58.549 --> 00:15:01.409 If you are in a Baneblade, you are not the one 00:15:01.409 --> 00:15:04.350 desperately surviving. Don't you mean me, you, 00:15:04.429 --> 00:15:07.850 Andy? Right, yeah. The Baneblade the four of 00:15:07.850 --> 00:15:09.889 us could definitely take down. You attack it 00:15:09.889 --> 00:15:12.889 from the top, it'll be fine. Andy, I don't know 00:15:12.889 --> 00:15:14.250 if I should bring that up again, but I don't 00:15:14.250 --> 00:15:16.190 know if you think you can actually take a Baneblade. 00:15:16.809 --> 00:15:24.480 One melt to charge. Drop. Done. Insanity. If 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:26.980 Space Marines were portrayed as they're supposed 00:15:26.980 --> 00:15:32.559 to be, as extremely rare side things that there's 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:34.000 never enough of them to cover what they need 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:37.220 to, then I think they'd be way cooler. But they're 00:15:37.220 --> 00:15:39.039 the main characters of Warhammer, whereas the 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:40.639 Imperial Guard should be the main characters 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:42.419 of Warhammer, and the Space Marine should be 00:15:42.419 --> 00:15:44.559 really cool side characters, but it's flipped 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:46.379 the other way around and it messes it all up. 00:15:46.580 --> 00:15:48.679 To be fair, Eli, there are plenty of Imperial 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:50.720 Guard stories where they are the main character. 00:15:51.289 --> 00:15:54.090 And the thing is, Space Marines are spread thin. 00:15:55.970 --> 00:15:58.350 But the setting's so vast, that's the thing. 00:15:58.549 --> 00:16:01.590 It's like comparing one world to a million, million 00:16:01.590 --> 00:16:04.009 worlds. It doesn't give you the idea that Space 00:16:04.009 --> 00:16:06.509 Marines are uber rare. When there's a billion 00:16:06.509 --> 00:16:13.129 books of them. Every single thing. Yeah. Why 00:16:13.129 --> 00:16:15.269 do you think people get so... Because obviously 00:16:15.269 --> 00:16:16.909 there's a lot of people who like both settings, 00:16:17.090 --> 00:16:20.200 but yet why do people get so drawn to... the 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:23.179 super soldier in the human faction in warmer 00:16:23.179 --> 00:16:26.340 40k and yet there's no kind of well i mean from 00:16:26.340 --> 00:16:32.100 a gameplay army standpoint it's because army 00:16:32.100 --> 00:16:34.240 of super soldiers is cool let's not pretend it 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.179 isn't well i think the thing about like fantasy 00:16:37.179 --> 00:16:39.809 is that the only like character you can talk 00:16:39.809 --> 00:16:42.470 about like senior like generals or like a weird 00:16:42.470 --> 00:16:44.710 quirky thing like gotrick and felix like they're 00:16:44.710 --> 00:16:47.230 going to be rulers they're going to be high -ranking 00:16:47.230 --> 00:16:49.830 military officers you're not really going to 00:16:49.830 --> 00:16:53.210 have many more of like the lower caste of like 00:16:53.210 --> 00:16:55.909 lowly peasants or like you might have like a 00:16:55.909 --> 00:16:58.230 couple but like it's going to be gels the guy 00:16:58.230 --> 00:16:59.769 who's in charge of like the wizards you're going 00:16:59.769 --> 00:17:01.830 to have carl franz the guy in charge of the empire 00:17:01.830 --> 00:17:03.690 you're going to have the guy in charge of the 00:17:03.690 --> 00:17:05.809 vampires and his missus and the guy in charge 00:17:05.809 --> 00:17:08.670 of the knights of bretonia Whereas Space Marines 00:17:08.670 --> 00:17:12.049 are kind of like named characters, but not beyond 00:17:12.049 --> 00:17:13.589 being expendable. They're kind of like in that 00:17:13.589 --> 00:17:15.650 middle ground was like Guardsmen are expendable, 00:17:15.690 --> 00:17:16.990 but you can still have named characters. You 00:17:16.990 --> 00:17:19.470 get Primarchs, but then Space Marines are kind 00:17:19.470 --> 00:17:21.490 of that middle ground. And so you can also have 00:17:21.490 --> 00:17:27.950 them be butchered occasionally. I feel like I'll 00:17:27.950 --> 00:17:32.210 go for it. I think it'd be cool if there weren't 00:17:32.210 --> 00:17:41.349 any successor chapters. Damn, even I'm not that 00:17:41.349 --> 00:17:45.809 anti -Marine. Put that in the bin. Yeah, I don't 00:17:45.809 --> 00:17:49.049 really care. You love the Horus Heresy. You don't 00:17:49.049 --> 00:17:51.950 need successor chapters in Horus Heresy. And 00:17:51.950 --> 00:17:53.630 then there'd be way more base raids and it would 00:17:53.630 --> 00:17:57.289 actually feel like super desperate all the time. 00:17:57.349 --> 00:18:00.490 There's a gajillion of them, even though they're 00:18:00.490 --> 00:18:02.789 supposed to be really rare, but they're in every 00:18:02.789 --> 00:18:06.130 single freaking 40k book. I don't know. My favorite 00:18:06.130 --> 00:18:08.269 thing about the horror's heresy is Eli. Also, 00:18:08.349 --> 00:18:10.490 you know what you just said? Most successor chapters 00:18:10.490 --> 00:18:13.089 have like one paragraph of lore. Don't be so 00:18:13.089 --> 00:18:15.049 dramatic in the chat. Successor chapters are 00:18:15.049 --> 00:18:17.890 nothing burgers 90 % of the time. I will say 00:18:17.890 --> 00:18:19.730 to be fair on that one, that's because they were 00:18:19.730 --> 00:18:22.250 mostly written when GW was cool and encouraged 00:18:22.250 --> 00:18:24.890 you to make homebrew lore as opposed to buy more 00:18:24.890 --> 00:18:29.940 Marnius Kalgar. My favorite thing about the Horus 00:18:29.940 --> 00:18:33.200 Heresy is that it ends and it splits up and then 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:37.000 it diverges. That's the whole point. It does 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.680 it like Warhammer Fantasy and 40k. They are the 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:41.980 settings, whereas Horus Heresy is more of a, 00:18:42.099 --> 00:18:46.019 let's just finish the mythology part and then 00:18:46.019 --> 00:18:50.460 we'll give it a really crappily supported game. 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:54.359 And then we will rewrite the Istvat. the Dropsite 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:56.559 Massacre book. He didn't rewrite it, though. 00:18:57.099 --> 00:18:59.779 It's a shame because that's actually really good, 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:02.000 that one. That was a good book, though. It could 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.579 be great. Do you know why that one was good, 00:19:04.619 --> 00:19:07.160 though, Colin? Because it actually had, even 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:09.279 though they had perspectives of like, oh, they're 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:11.240 all salamanders, they're all iron hands, they're 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:13.420 all raven guard, the characters you followed 00:19:13.420 --> 00:19:15.900 in that were all weirdly different. They all 00:19:15.900 --> 00:19:18.660 came from different home worlds. You have a salamander 00:19:18.660 --> 00:19:22.640 character, isn't it, Andy, who he was... he was 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:25.279 from an ocean world like this is a really and 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:26.680 he's obviously been there salamander's obsessed 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.519 with fire so and again the the beauty of a space 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:31.420 marine chapter is you have all these divergent 00:19:31.420 --> 00:19:34.039 creeds and cultures like the iron snakes first 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:37.180 book is amazing because it's just oh all about 00:19:37.180 --> 00:19:39.799 ithaca and their culture of like this not quite 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:41.500 maritime but all these like they have like the 00:19:41.500 --> 00:19:43.119 trench dives and they have all these cultural 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.519 trappings and it goes through like several decades 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.220 of war with like a particular character and then 00:19:48.220 --> 00:19:49.799 you have things like the minotaurs who are just 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.019 assholes that jack boot their way through everything 00:19:52.019 --> 00:19:54.140 and then you have the carcaridons who predate 00:19:54.140 --> 00:19:56.180 in the furthest reaches of the galaxy and then 00:19:56.180 --> 00:19:58.519 you have the tragedy of the blood angels and 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:00.839 you have the ultra means being named characters 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:02.539 and then you have the raven guard being the sneaky 00:20:02.539 --> 00:20:04.779 boys and like you have all these delineations 00:20:04.779 --> 00:20:08.109 of like they're named characters but they're 00:20:08.109 --> 00:20:10.410 not beyond being killed if they have to we know 00:20:10.410 --> 00:20:12.509 most of them will still be around because you 00:20:12.509 --> 00:20:14.630 gotta sell the minis but like do you know what 00:20:14.630 --> 00:20:18.829 40k in the human factions has over i would say 00:20:18.829 --> 00:20:24.089 fantasy is that in 40k it's more it's your chapter 00:20:24.089 --> 00:20:27.210 your sandbox you can really customize what you're 00:20:27.210 --> 00:20:30.769 making in the universe whereas fantasy is more 00:20:30.769 --> 00:20:34.400 of a you are playing the empire you can play 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:38.299 like a region of the empire to be fair i i do 00:20:38.299 --> 00:20:40.740 most i i do actually you know kind of overall 00:20:40.740 --> 00:20:43.000 agree on that 40k is definitely more homebrew 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:45.019 friendly because you know there's a million worlds 00:20:45.019 --> 00:20:48.259 out there and all that whatnot like you could 00:20:48.259 --> 00:20:50.099 just make something up and there's no reason 00:20:50.099 --> 00:20:53.200 it couldn't be canon for the most part but i 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:58.740 mean i'm not gonna like fantasy definitely has 00:20:58.740 --> 00:21:00.500 room for it like there's a lot of unexplored 00:21:00.500 --> 00:21:02.519 regions for one where you know you could like 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:04.799 different stuff like that there's the entire 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.759 border prince's region which is the region that 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:09.759 exists so you can make your own army of whatever 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:13.240 you want basically if you want a like solid location 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:20.920 for it there's i mean like and again like within 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:24.539 individual countries you can have vastly different 00:21:24.539 --> 00:21:27.759 cultures like and and again like you can you 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:30.369 know it's countries are big you can make up your 00:21:30.369 --> 00:21:32.289 own lore for like an area of what this you know 00:21:32.289 --> 00:21:34.390 place is like and fit it in with the theming 00:21:34.390 --> 00:21:37.650 pretty well you definitely need to do like more 00:21:37.650 --> 00:21:40.670 leg work to do homebrew stuff and fantasy but 00:21:40.670 --> 00:21:43.369 it's not impossible but i do agree overall that 00:21:43.369 --> 00:21:46.529 40k is vastly more homebrew friendly there's 00:21:46.529 --> 00:21:50.170 a big bonus towards that like that setting though 00:21:50.170 --> 00:21:52.890 although again like there's something about the 00:21:53.740 --> 00:21:56.339 even say like art direction for like the human 00:21:56.339 --> 00:21:59.819 factions i just love how i guess it's more in 00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:02.680 typically like older 40k stuff where like they 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.619 just have they went like it's on the scale of 00:22:05.619 --> 00:22:07.640 like ridiculous like you know the amount of like 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:11.920 decorations and filigree and ridiculous 10 000 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:14.759 year old my favorite piece of warhammer art is 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:16.880 still the one of the titan and the stoppa and 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:18.720 then there's a million things happening and i 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:20.700 don't think anyone is actually shooting at anyone 00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:24.180 else but it's beautiful I mean, I even have... 00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:28.099 We'll go for it. He's pulling out middies! He's 00:22:28.099 --> 00:22:30.140 pulling out middies! Kick him! He's getting his 00:22:30.140 --> 00:22:32.599 Kaka. Oh, his money is Kalgar. Look at that. 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:38.059 For the visual learners of you, I have the iconic 00:22:38.059 --> 00:22:41.980 Battle of Macrag. And this is... If you guys 00:22:41.980 --> 00:22:44.319 look it up, that is what I mean in terms of that 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:49.519 is like peak Warhammer 40k. 40k has more aura, 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:52.660 as the kids say. it has more and it generally 00:22:52.660 --> 00:22:56.819 it generally goes harder all right have you guys 00:22:56.819 --> 00:22:59.380 um seen that artwork of like the two titans and 00:22:59.380 --> 00:23:01.779 one's punching one in the face and it's like 00:23:01.779 --> 00:23:05.000 falling like that i was watching the kill loopical 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:07.359 show and i didn't and i was like oh and i was 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:10.059 watching the show they it's referencing that 00:23:10.059 --> 00:23:12.339 bit of artwork where they recreate it in the 00:23:12.339 --> 00:23:15.400 animation and it's actually the character you're 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:17.359 following punching the other titan from the other 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.880 house and say oh that's cool they took this really 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:22.339 iconic piece of art and they've integrated it 00:23:22.339 --> 00:23:24.920 into this story and that's kind of like the neat 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:27.319 thing about warhammer 40k is that you have like 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:30.779 all these moments and all these things like ring 00:23:30.779 --> 00:23:32.779 rins world with like the crimson fist falling 00:23:32.779 --> 00:23:34.920 got hell's reach with the black templars you've 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:36.759 got all the tyrannic war stuff the ultra range 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.180 you've got devastation of baal you've got the 00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:41.039 battle for chagoras which is cool but no one's 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:43.119 read it oh well but you got all those things 00:23:45.270 --> 00:23:48.950 And even doing some editing for an upcoming video 00:23:48.950 --> 00:23:51.269 on this channel, I was looking up things like, 00:23:51.369 --> 00:23:55.730 oh, dark elves don't have much art for them, 00:23:55.809 --> 00:23:57.809 which I thought was strange for like a whole 00:23:57.809 --> 00:24:01.490 ass faction. I was like, oh, it seems like Warhammer 00:24:01.490 --> 00:24:04.849 fantasy, other than the work that, again, Creative 00:24:04.849 --> 00:24:07.670 Assembly have done to like bolster the aesthetic. 00:24:08.670 --> 00:24:11.109 It's kind of like difficult sometimes to be like, 00:24:11.230 --> 00:24:14.019 oh. I want to find this bit in the lore. Oh, 00:24:14.019 --> 00:24:16.279 there's no visual representation for it. Oh. 00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:18.380 Oh, this character's quite a popular character. 00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:22.920 Ah, there's not really much to look at. Oh. That's 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:24.839 a shame. Whereas Warhammer's just like, here's 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:27.220 Glupshido, number 58, and he's got three pieces 00:24:27.220 --> 00:24:29.640 of artwork. You're like, yeah, that's it. Give 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.559 us more. There is still some banging old fantasy 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:35.640 art, though. Let's not say there's none. There 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:39.200 most certainly is. I'm naturally looking at high 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:41.859 elf art. But, you know, give me a moment to find, 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.559 you know, the... You saw a high elf alt? Wow. 00:24:44.819 --> 00:24:51.660 I wish. Yeah, you happy? I'm not. You got, like, 00:24:51.700 --> 00:24:53.859 stuff like this. Like, that feels classic. They 00:24:53.859 --> 00:24:57.140 almost look like ghosts in the background. The 00:24:57.140 --> 00:25:00.019 shining aurora. There's some good stuff. Yeah, 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:02.099 there's definitely cool art and fantasy. I love 00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:04.640 it. Hang on. I found the same image, but in color. 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.990 And slightly cropped for some reason. But one 00:25:09.990 --> 00:25:15.309 thing is, can a bunch of guys on horses in front 00:25:15.309 --> 00:25:17.490 of a big castle compete with, like, a hive world 00:25:17.490 --> 00:25:20.089 fighting with, like, ships in orbit blowing things 00:25:20.089 --> 00:25:23.049 up? Again, the scale adds so much more variety 00:25:23.049 --> 00:25:25.410 of things. Yeah, that's also a preference, though. 00:25:25.470 --> 00:25:28.410 Like, the scale of that means every bit of fantasy 00:25:28.410 --> 00:25:30.890 is more, like, part of the reason it's less homebrew 00:25:30.890 --> 00:25:33.230 friendly is because you have actual answers and 00:25:33.230 --> 00:25:35.990 everything is fulfilled. Whereas in 40K, you 00:25:35.990 --> 00:25:39.490 can go, here's the world of X. And then we're 00:25:39.490 --> 00:25:41.490 just going to make another planet for the next 00:25:41.490 --> 00:25:44.049 gimmick. You could also have like 1 billion people 00:25:44.049 --> 00:25:45.930 fought and all of them are dead. And it doesn't 00:25:45.930 --> 00:25:47.769 really have to, you don't have to worry about 00:25:47.769 --> 00:25:50.410 affecting like, Oh, if you had like a million 00:25:50.410 --> 00:25:52.450 people in any faction in Warhammer fancy, then 00:25:52.450 --> 00:25:54.890 it'd be like, ah, that kind of on the back foot 00:25:54.890 --> 00:25:58.109 now. Yeah. But that's its own positive. It lets 00:25:58.109 --> 00:26:00.730 you actually appreciate like small and large 00:26:00.730 --> 00:26:02.670 scale battles. And when there's a battle with 00:26:02.670 --> 00:26:04.309 like a hundred thousand people and you're like, 00:26:04.369 --> 00:26:07.210 damn, this is a. this is a fight this this actually 00:26:07.210 --> 00:26:09.490 means something one one thing i would say that 00:26:09.490 --> 00:26:11.710 i find interesting is like with the elves for 00:26:11.710 --> 00:26:14.750 example as a direct comparison in 40k they have 00:26:14.750 --> 00:26:17.869 a section for elves we can talk about elves well 00:26:17.869 --> 00:26:22.230 i'm just just this one point that in 40k there 00:26:22.230 --> 00:26:25.490 are basically an endangered species in fantasy 00:26:25.490 --> 00:26:28.269 they're not and so that i don't feel like there's 00:26:28.269 --> 00:26:30.910 much of a like at least on the surface level 00:26:30.910 --> 00:26:34.920 there's much like a a feeling of loss if the 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:37.440 elves lose a battle in fantasy i don't really 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.700 care as much as if they do in 40k and i know 00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:43.259 that like the imperium strength is that it's 00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:46.160 the meat grinder but then i don't feel like there's 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:48.480 much of a difference between factions in fantasy 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.640 of like who's stronger than who because they're 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:52.180 all kind of like oh they're about the same size 00:26:52.180 --> 00:26:55.809 and dwarves or the elves or Nagash or whoever. 00:26:55.910 --> 00:26:57.730 They're all kind of just as powerful as each 00:26:57.730 --> 00:26:59.190 other, more or less, because they're all tough. 00:26:59.869 --> 00:27:01.769 And other than the end times, it's like someone 00:27:01.769 --> 00:27:04.730 so lost a battle, someone so died, but did anything 00:27:04.730 --> 00:27:08.789 change until the end times? Andy, you do not 00:27:08.789 --> 00:27:11.690 care when the elves lose battles in 40k. Yeah, 00:27:11.710 --> 00:27:14.730 hang on, first of all. Don't be saying that. 00:27:15.750 --> 00:27:21.109 There is. We get told the Imperium's on the decline, 00:27:21.250 --> 00:27:23.529 and then I read a book, and it's another decisive 00:27:23.529 --> 00:27:26.049 Imperial victory. But I swear, guys, we've lost 00:27:26.049 --> 00:27:28.750 people out there. Don't worry. I swear it's bad. 00:27:30.029 --> 00:27:36.089 That was one major big loss in a sea of infinite 00:27:36.089 --> 00:27:39.420 Imperial dubs. Demons infested the throne world 00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:42.279 and there's Genestealers there now. Uh -oh. Throne's 00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:47.339 failing. Oh no. All the Khorai's got kicked off 00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:51.819 almost immediately. As did Magnus. Before we 00:27:51.819 --> 00:27:53.940 get any further though, I think there's been 00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:59.279 some lovely donations we should get to. So first 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:03.319 one from Xarkset saying, for 10 months, welcome 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:08.359 back, Eli. Yeah, welcome back, Eli. Donkey Man 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:12.119 USA. Thanks, man. Five bucks. Stream late due 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:16.900 to Hal ending his times gooning style. Wow. Donkey 00:28:16.900 --> 00:28:24.519 Man USA. Thank you. So true. This is a crazy 00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:28.359 dono. I don't want to read that one. Uber 404 00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.599 for five quid. I was a Brit. Colin, don't stop 00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:36.509 talking. I'm nearly finished. Wow. Did you need 00:28:36.509 --> 00:28:39.009 to put the stank on that one, Hal? Did you need 00:28:39.009 --> 00:28:41.750 to do that? Colin, how does that make you feel? 00:28:42.410 --> 00:28:44.390 How does it make you feel? Well, I feel like 00:28:44.390 --> 00:28:45.990 I'm on a podcast, so I'm going to have to keep 00:28:45.990 --> 00:28:48.130 talking, so you'll be finishing at some point. 00:28:50.349 --> 00:28:55.569 Colin has a very deep voice. He's doing things 00:28:55.569 --> 00:29:00.089 for people. 5301 for $5. I really should be cleaning 00:29:00.089 --> 00:29:02.150 my kitchen, but Papa Nurgle keeps telling me 00:29:02.150 --> 00:29:04.029 to play Rogue Trader while I listen to Lorecrimes 00:29:04.029 --> 00:29:07.190 instead. I'll let the kitchen fester, I guess. 00:29:07.710 --> 00:29:16.069 Wow. Man! No! God, we... Bruh. Fuck you. Fuck 00:29:16.069 --> 00:29:19.869 you. Bruh, where have you got the Meridia's Beacon, 00:29:19.950 --> 00:29:22.430 by the way, in Skyrim? I grabbed it on a bandit's 00:29:22.430 --> 00:29:27.710 corpse once. It's always in a chest in Falkreath. 00:29:28.609 --> 00:29:30.950 There's Gilman and OMG, it's Gil with the steel 00:29:30.950 --> 00:29:33.730 chair! Huge. Yeah. Dude, the worst place I found 00:29:33.730 --> 00:29:35.430 Meridia's Beacon was I did, you know, you go 00:29:35.430 --> 00:29:37.630 into a random cave. Yeah, you end up in fucking 00:29:37.630 --> 00:29:41.349 like Blackreach. And then I find Meridia's Beacon 00:29:41.349 --> 00:29:42.930 in a chest. I'm like, bro, I don't want to be 00:29:42.930 --> 00:29:48.849 here. By Stendarr, this hoe has played that goddamn 00:29:48.849 --> 00:29:52.089 audio track at the worst time. May Akatosh strike 00:29:52.089 --> 00:29:55.730 this bitch down. Made the infinite glitch of 00:29:55.730 --> 00:29:59.190 getting two, is it Dawn? Dawnstones? Dawnshard. 00:29:59.329 --> 00:30:01.190 What was the name of the blade? Dawnbreaker, 00:30:01.430 --> 00:30:03.779 I think. Dawnbreaker. The infinite glitch of 00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:06.359 getting two Dawnbreakers so you can dual wield 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:11.319 it. May that forever be left in Skyrim. Angry 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:13.539 Homunculus is also a member for 13 months. Thank 00:30:13.539 --> 00:30:19.180 you very much. Marathi's Seat Cushion. God, I 00:30:19.180 --> 00:30:22.019 wish. Member for 30 months. Thank you. G -Man 00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:26.579 drops his Giladong on Archeon. I don't know if 00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:30.700 Giladong is going to be taken on Archeon. A metric 00:30:30.700 --> 00:30:33.839 steel for 10 bucks. I love the guard with all 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.940 my heart. There is something about a Landschnecht. 00:30:37.539 --> 00:30:40.579 I can never say that right any time. Landschnecht 00:30:40.579 --> 00:30:42.700 is, I think, the best I can do. I don't know 00:30:42.700 --> 00:30:44.559 if that's right either. This is why handers, 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.210 aren't they? fighting the devil with a musket 00:30:47.210 --> 00:30:49.630 and he can win that fight really makes me lean 00:30:49.630 --> 00:30:52.289 towards the empire that's like the thing like 00:30:52.289 --> 00:30:54.809 it's that i know the thing you know the guard 00:30:54.809 --> 00:30:56.589 is just the average men and women which they 00:30:56.589 --> 00:30:59.450 are but it's it's slightly less meaningful when 00:30:59.450 --> 00:31:02.410 i look behind the average men and women and there's 00:31:02.410 --> 00:31:05.490 a five mile long armored column rolling through 00:31:05.490 --> 00:31:09.269 the demonic armies i feel like the the the muscle 00:31:09.269 --> 00:31:12.140 and strength of the average person is not the 00:31:12.140 --> 00:31:14.259 thing doing the heavy lifting here. I think it 00:31:14.259 --> 00:31:17.380 might be the fact you turned a grid square into 00:31:17.380 --> 00:31:20.079 a crater. Do you know what I think you're catching 00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.559 on to here, Colin? The 40k is really missing 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:27.059 a cavalry charge. Now, there are technically 00:31:27.059 --> 00:31:34.099 horses in some guard stuff. Krieg has some rough 00:31:34.099 --> 00:31:36.880 riders. One with a guy on a horse on the front. 00:31:37.180 --> 00:31:39.799 I see. And the thing with that, though, is that 00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:40.960 it's like... It's not the same. A demigriff charge 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.640 makes me hard. Oh, that hits. Bretonnia equivalent 00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.700 or demigriff charge. Look, knights are cool. 00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.240 Again, even in all my hatred of Bretonnia, knights 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.920 are cool. You've got those Mechanicus striders 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:53.480 as well that, like, have the big legs. I see. 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:57.539 They're not allowed to turn. Okay. Yeah. They're 00:31:57.539 --> 00:31:59.980 not going to look at how you write it, bro. I 00:31:59.980 --> 00:32:02.599 see the thing with like that too is like it always, 00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:04.900 and I know it's the point to some extent that, 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:06.720 you know, the Imperium so falling apart, they're 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:08.900 using horses in a sci -fi setting, but it's like 00:32:08.900 --> 00:32:12.339 some of them are doing that just because they 00:32:12.339 --> 00:32:14.059 could have a tank, but they're stupid and they 00:32:14.059 --> 00:32:16.619 don't have the tank. The Empire doesn't have 00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:20.500 a choice. They have 13 tanks. Five of them don't 00:32:20.500 --> 00:32:23.160 work. Someone did point out the winged Hussars 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:30.519 arrive, which is a good song, by the way. Copyright 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.900 him right now. Kill! Saturn 9782 with the 200 00:32:34.900 --> 00:32:38.420 ,000 D. Thank you very much. Thank you, man. 00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:42.559 Whatever currency that is, thank you. Please 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.140 inform me. I'm always curious to see the different... 00:32:45.140 --> 00:32:48.140 It's just really intriguing. I'm not entirely 00:32:48.140 --> 00:32:51.839 sure. Either way, though. Currently recovering 00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:54.799 from a traffic accident involving a car running 00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.319 over me and breaking all my ribs and shoulders. 00:32:57.700 --> 00:33:00.559 You guys have given me many laughs during my 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.720 month -long hospital stay. Here's the moral of 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:06.599 the crime to come. I hope you get better and 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:13.740 I'm glad you're alive. I hope that doesn't hurt 00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:18.140 too much. All things considered, it sounds like 00:33:18.140 --> 00:33:20.640 you took that like a goddamn trooper. Holy shit. 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.599 I meant laughing probably hurts when he's with 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:30.660 broken ribs. I think we can speak for all of 00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:33.299 us. We hope you get a very speedy recovery. Yes. 00:33:34.339 --> 00:33:38.599 Chat. Wish him luck. All the love. Goober. That's 00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.079 the one from earlier, wasn't it? 10 quid. This 00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:45.740 is towards the Baneblade fight fund. Thank you. 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.099 This will pay for the little repel. I'd love 00:33:49.099 --> 00:33:51.660 to be part of like, you know, like a Mythbuster 00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:54.279 style, like testing thing only where like with 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:56.339 dummy grenades, we need to prove we can just 00:33:56.339 --> 00:33:58.599 take down like a normal tank or something. Hey, 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.140 Jamie, how much does it take? How many 35 year 00:34:02.140 --> 00:34:06.859 olds does it take to destroy a Baneblade? Rack 00:34:06.859 --> 00:34:11.929 damn you. More than four. More than four. Oh, 00:34:11.929 --> 00:34:25.329 my God. So true. Probably true. I'm just saying. 00:34:26.210 --> 00:34:28.349 It should also be said. The Silent King has a 00:34:28.349 --> 00:34:33.170 lot of aura. He does, but he's not Cetra. Doesn't 00:34:33.170 --> 00:34:35.210 Cetra just get bullied all the time by Nagash? 00:34:35.969 --> 00:34:38.329 But he says cool stuff when it happens. He says 00:34:38.329 --> 00:34:40.730 cool things while he's being bullied. It was 00:34:40.730 --> 00:34:43.730 also after 6 ,000 years of uninterrupted dubs, 00:34:43.750 --> 00:34:48.250 mind you. Which I will notice no Imperial character 00:34:48.250 --> 00:34:50.989 does, not even the Emperor. He loses with that 00:34:50.989 --> 00:34:53.949 aura loss. Abaddon's been 10 ,000 years of dubbing 00:34:53.949 --> 00:34:58.190 with the Black Crusade. Has he? He blew up Cain. 00:34:58.710 --> 00:35:13.940 It took 10 ,000 years. I'm just saying, you know, 00:35:13.940 --> 00:35:16.199 out of all the four characters listed, exactly 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.559 one of them has won Warhammer. Just saying. It 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.559 was bullshit, but he won. Didn't stick, though. 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.380 There's another Warhammer. There's a new one. 00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:31.340 Got back up. Maybe it's Chomsky you change your 00:35:31.340 --> 00:35:34.760 picture. He's back to the normal one. No, I think 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.960 that's someone else who has the ass gnome. No, 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.840 that's Gnomius Chomsky. No, it wasn't. Thank 00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:45.260 you. Fancy doesn't have a call. Enough said. 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:49.900 Also, hi. Hi. Hello. Is that not the original 00:35:49.900 --> 00:35:52.639 Gnomius Chomsky? Wow. There's more than one. 00:35:55.610 --> 00:35:58.150 It's a different person. That is Gnomeus Chomsky, 00:35:58.230 --> 00:36:00.150 but it's not Gnomeus Chomsky with the button 00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:04.309 on. Donkey Man USA. If they don't stop getting 00:36:04.309 --> 00:36:10.269 funny, I'll stop getting racist. Thanks, Donkey 00:36:10.269 --> 00:36:16.889 Bear. Horace Axelhock. Look at the head. It's 00:36:16.889 --> 00:36:20.619 sort of like Mr. Clean. With the five pounds. 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:26.739 Someone else should read this. Now that I've 00:36:26.739 --> 00:36:28.340 seen the end, I'm definitely not reading it. 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.760 Thank you for the five. Horace Little Mogus. 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.280 Mog Targadon. Mog on the living. Mog on the dead. 00:36:37.340 --> 00:36:40.159 No one leaves the battlefield unmogged. Also, 00:36:40.179 --> 00:36:44.699 Bretonnia number one. Depending on the edition, 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:46.739 Bretonnia wasn't even number one in cavalry. 00:36:50.409 --> 00:36:54.349 Jedi Mando for five quid. Unrelated question, 00:36:54.690 --> 00:36:58.389 but what's Colin's opinion? I guess humans are 00:36:58.389 --> 00:37:00.969 slash aren't forerunners in hate. I wonder if 00:37:00.969 --> 00:37:02.909 Andy's going to yell at me. I'm of the opinion 00:37:02.909 --> 00:37:05.190 that I prefer when they're not humans. I feel 00:37:05.190 --> 00:37:07.869 like it makes humanity more impactful as opposed 00:37:07.869 --> 00:37:10.590 to just we were, we built all these super awesome 00:37:10.590 --> 00:37:13.269 things once and now we're just kind of pilfering 00:37:13.269 --> 00:37:17.210 it back. Also, I will say, look, look. Some terminals 00:37:17.210 --> 00:37:19.789 in Halo 3 mentioned humanity and forerunners 00:37:19.789 --> 00:37:22.429 fighting a war. They didn't say civil war. They 00:37:22.429 --> 00:37:25.929 didn't say like a rebellion. It was a war. So 00:37:25.929 --> 00:37:29.309 that implies they're different. There was evidence, 00:37:29.489 --> 00:37:32.210 especially Halo was like a soft marathon sequel, 00:37:32.309 --> 00:37:35.030 at least for Combat Evolved. But I know so many 00:37:35.030 --> 00:37:37.090 people bring up the cut content, the cut ending 00:37:37.090 --> 00:37:39.610 of Halo 2 where the Arbiter opens a casket and 00:37:39.610 --> 00:37:42.750 it's a human skeleton. It's cut. It was cut content. 00:37:43.070 --> 00:37:45.289 It's not in the game. it's like when people are 00:37:45.289 --> 00:37:47.670 like oh the exorcist 3 the original cut content 00:37:47.670 --> 00:37:49.110 ending would have been so much better and then 00:37:49.110 --> 00:37:50.909 they released it and it's just he shoots the 00:37:50.909 --> 00:37:53.949 guy at the end he's like oh is that it yeah oh 00:37:53.949 --> 00:37:55.510 it's kind of lame it's like yeah they build it 00:37:55.510 --> 00:37:57.090 up for decades like it's going to be better than 00:37:57.090 --> 00:37:59.789 the the theater one no it turns out the notes 00:37:59.789 --> 00:38:01.849 the executives gave were like yep better ending 00:38:01.849 --> 00:38:05.829 just is i think we have in chat shalaxy's wet 00:38:05.829 --> 00:38:08.349 is gripper is the button gnome so we all have 00:38:08.349 --> 00:38:22.210 we all know shalaxy an apology thank you um i 00:38:22.210 --> 00:38:24.809 made a space wolf got trick homebrew love big 00:38:24.809 --> 00:38:26.949 that was confused because it was a no why would 00:38:26.949 --> 00:38:29.369 you ruin god trick like 19 months i'll say yeah 00:38:29.369 --> 00:38:32.630 before we yeah we should do a few more and then 00:38:32.630 --> 00:38:34.389 we'll have to we might have to circle back these 00:38:34.389 --> 00:38:36.190 guys you guys are very funny tonight by the way 00:38:36.190 --> 00:38:41.110 yeah yeah god emperor of terror for the CHF5? 00:38:41.309 --> 00:38:43.409 I don't even know what that is. Check, maybe? 00:38:44.510 --> 00:38:48.449 Is it check? Corona? No. Good day. I don't know 00:38:48.449 --> 00:38:50.769 what is happening here, but it is funny. Appreciate 00:38:50.769 --> 00:38:54.969 it, man. That's lore crimes equivalent. Really? 00:38:55.269 --> 00:38:58.969 Generally. I have no idea what we're doing. Are 00:38:58.969 --> 00:39:01.469 we talking about elves now? Yes, we are now talking 00:39:01.469 --> 00:39:06.289 about who does it better? Warhammer 40k Elder 00:39:06.289 --> 00:39:10.599 or Warhammer Fantasy Elves? I'm going to go get 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.760 another drink. Enjoy. I like Eldar more than 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.659 High Elves. I like Dark Elves more than Dark 00:39:16.659 --> 00:39:21.659 Eldar. Fantasy mug. Fantasy sweep, if you ask 00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:26.179 me. It's just total destruction. This is what 00:39:26.179 --> 00:39:30.340 I don't get about Elves. The Fantasy Elves get 00:39:30.340 --> 00:39:32.260 a lot more love than the Eldar do, that's for 00:39:32.260 --> 00:39:35.940 sure. People who like Elves write for the Elves 00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:41.360 in Fantasy. I don't get Like, I have a big problem. 00:39:41.619 --> 00:39:42.940 I don't know if it's a big problem, but as in, 00:39:43.059 --> 00:39:45.760 I quite, I've said it quite a few times before, 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:48.179 like, I genuinely, like, Warhammer Fantasy elves 00:39:48.179 --> 00:39:51.119 are so, like, interesting. There's many different 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.699 variations between them. Like, they have depth. 00:39:53.900 --> 00:39:56.239 They have, like, interesting characters and stuff. 00:39:56.900 --> 00:39:59.679 I just don't get why the elder doesn't have, 00:39:59.780 --> 00:40:03.679 like, that kind of, like, pull. It's a scale 00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:05.940 thing again, because the scale's so big, it's 00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:09.719 just... All of Saimhan is like this. All of Iandan 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:13.599 is like this. All of Ulthwe is like this. It's 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.800 much more spread. I think craft worlds are interesting, 00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:20.139 but in some way I also couldn't give a fuck about 00:40:20.139 --> 00:40:22.820 craft worlds. I want to see an elf planet. Do 00:40:22.820 --> 00:40:26.000 you know what I mean? I want to see peak civilization. 00:40:26.820 --> 00:40:28.639 I think it's an issue I have with when we talk 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.780 about things like Age of Sigmar, where I said 00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:34.500 to Colin a few times, I don't know where anything 00:40:34.500 --> 00:40:37.929 is. like if everything's realms i don't know 00:40:37.929 --> 00:40:40.989 where it is if everything in 40k is they're like 00:40:40.989 --> 00:40:45.329 traveling you know massive continent -sized spacecraft 00:40:45.329 --> 00:40:49.170 i don't get as attached to it the same as something 00:40:49.170 --> 00:40:52.929 like a planet or a homeworld i you know as much 00:40:52.929 --> 00:40:54.389 as they all have like separate cultures well 00:40:54.389 --> 00:40:57.889 i don't necessarily and the way they write them 00:40:57.889 --> 00:41:00.590 in 40k whereas like you must stay on these you 00:41:00.590 --> 00:41:03.750 know strict paths it almost ruins the law of 00:41:03.750 --> 00:41:06.599 them because then they can't deviate they can't 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:11.519 be as unique to be fair yeah but they're all 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.159 kind of like it'd be like someone saying it's 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.360 almost like the craft wars are too similar to 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.619 each other you know what i mean they specialize 00:41:18.619 --> 00:41:21.280 in certain things in combat but i don't know 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.639 red ones go fast and the green ones like yeah 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.539 but it's not the same as like wood elves is so 00:41:27.539 --> 00:41:30.079 different it's literally they are entirely different 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.440 it's true there's no wood elves in 40k which 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.139 is a crime exodites exodites sorry Who freaking 00:41:36.139 --> 00:41:39.079 cares? Nothing burger. Nothing burger with a 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:40.320 side of beer, please. I'll have you know, Eli, 00:41:40.420 --> 00:41:43.980 as Exodite's number one fan, they got some minis 00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:47.059 recently, don't you know? They did. Hey, I'm 00:41:47.059 --> 00:41:49.820 happy they got that kill team. I'm glad, too. 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.079 It's still nothing to me. I'm not going to lie. 00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:56.579 Now you can have one squad of dinosaurs with 00:41:56.579 --> 00:42:00.639 your Eldar army, I guess. You have three dinosaurs. 00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:06.280 Great. Great. give a brother a source with guns 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.780 on it all right and then we can talk i i hate 00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:13.760 children as well like the dark hill like there's 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:17.059 obviously camaraderie which i guess in 40k should 00:42:17.059 --> 00:42:19.239 make me happy because it's like technically a 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:26.179 place like it's a thing so true brothers dark 00:42:26.179 --> 00:42:28.980 elves are dumb glory to the high elves the dark 00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:33.849 house Dark Eldar. What a fool am I? What a fool 00:42:33.849 --> 00:42:37.489 am I? I get the same issue, though, with the 00:42:37.489 --> 00:42:42.110 Drukhari, that Komoros is kind of amorphous in 00:42:42.110 --> 00:42:45.050 terms of it may be enormous. I have no idea how 00:42:45.050 --> 00:42:47.789 big Komoros is supposed to be. So I don't get 00:42:47.789 --> 00:42:51.809 attached to parts of it. Whereas if I look at 00:42:51.809 --> 00:42:54.489 the fantasy world map, I can look at it and get 00:42:54.489 --> 00:42:57.010 attached like, oh, I know certain regions. I 00:42:57.010 --> 00:42:59.050 know like Nagarond is particularly, you know. 00:43:00.089 --> 00:43:02.590 its culture is different from other regions and 00:43:02.590 --> 00:43:07.449 other stuff, which is... Naggarond? Is that wrong, 00:43:07.610 --> 00:43:11.489 Colin? You can't be saying that. You can't be 00:43:11.489 --> 00:43:13.710 saying that, man. You're saying it wrong. It's 00:43:13.710 --> 00:43:19.289 a bit. How do you say it? You're saying it right 00:43:19.289 --> 00:43:24.489 now. You're saying it right. Let's move on. He's 00:43:24.489 --> 00:43:29.360 doing edgy teenager musings. Yeah, but I like 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.960 that they have different... You know what I mean? 00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:34.679 Like, the world map itself creates variety, and 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.880 then Comrade just seems like one big amorphous 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.239 blob. Well, that's the ups and downs with the 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.679 scale. Like, you can actually get properly attached 00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:43.960 to regions and know what they mean, as opposed 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.559 to, look, it's a world. Yeah, but Comrade's not 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.079 even a world, though. Where does Comrade begin, 00:43:51.179 --> 00:43:54.639 and where does it end? Some ass -end of the webway. 00:43:55.949 --> 00:43:58.630 which in itself is also a near meaningless statement. 00:43:58.730 --> 00:44:04.690 It's in the web way. Yeah. Also like the weird, 00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:07.050 like the differences between, I would say that 00:44:07.050 --> 00:44:10.409 I mainly find in like 40 K to one fancy elves, 00:44:10.530 --> 00:44:14.730 one of the fancy elves actually feel on the most 00:44:14.730 --> 00:44:18.530 part smart. Like they actually have wisdom or 00:44:18.530 --> 00:44:20.550 if there is characters that don't have wisdom. 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.239 it's seen as like a point of contention it's 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.099 just like oh that person's a hothead that seems 00:44:25.099 --> 00:44:29.000 really out of character but 40k stuff they sometimes 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.539 write eldar characters who are meant to be something 00:44:31.539 --> 00:44:33.559 like over you know nearly a thousand years old 00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:37.699 and this they act dumber than the humans i mean 00:44:37.699 --> 00:44:39.619 eli what was that one you were was it you've 00:44:39.619 --> 00:44:42.139 read a who is it not phil kelly phil kelly write 00:44:42.139 --> 00:44:44.639 that story or just someone else which one gav 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.820 thorpe i don't know it's with a certain 20 um 00:44:47.820 --> 00:44:49.659 are you talking about i was looking for the model 00:44:49.659 --> 00:44:53.039 of the week That is a Phoenix Lord. Did he have 00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.820 a book or some Eldar character you read and you 00:44:55.820 --> 00:44:59.400 hated that novel? Fugin came out on the cover 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.900 of the Codex and then didn't get a book, so that 00:45:02.900 --> 00:45:06.880 was really cool. There's obviously the Craftworld 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:13.219 trilogy. There's Valador. I read the Karnak campaign 00:45:13.219 --> 00:45:15.480 and I really liked it. That might be what you're 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.780 thinking. It's a Farsight book. that has a short 00:45:18.780 --> 00:45:20.900 story you talked about quite a while ago and 00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:22.920 you mentioned oh this is bringing a bell yeah 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.159 the old dog character just like he made a stupid 00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.619 decision and got his like oh is it um the sniper 00:45:28.619 --> 00:45:32.380 what's his name um ranger now it it looks like 00:45:32.380 --> 00:45:36.059 it wasn't nice it looks nice where's the go i 00:45:36.059 --> 00:45:38.239 don't know i do i do know what you're talking 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.679 i feel i do remember this interaction somewhat 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.659 but i can't remember the story now oh is that 00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:44.119 the one where he's just like fighting the necrons 00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:45.820 and he makes like kind of dumb decisions and 00:45:45.820 --> 00:45:47.300 gets his team killed and you're like are you 00:45:47.300 --> 00:45:49.760 supposed to be like a good ranger he's kind of 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.019 walks into a bunch of traps no no that's still 00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:54.719 the oh it's look mr mike yeah he's putting the 00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:57.579 it's it's new ado fireheart it's this really 00:45:57.579 --> 00:46:00.260 obscure character who is who hasn't existed really 00:46:00.260 --> 00:46:02.800 since third edition and he has a short story 00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:04.980 and it's like utter garbage and one of the most 00:46:04.980 --> 00:46:06.940 disappointing things i've ever read is that the 00:46:06.940 --> 00:46:10.510 guy who it's like the most stupid, obvious fortune, 00:46:10.710 --> 00:46:13.610 like there will be a great victory for someone 00:46:13.610 --> 00:46:16.190 if you invade this Necron tomb, or am I thinking 00:46:16.190 --> 00:46:19.369 of someone else? It was something like that, 00:46:19.429 --> 00:46:22.289 yeah. He's the same hand guy who's supposed to 00:46:22.289 --> 00:46:24.889 be like really brave and cool dude, but some 00:46:24.889 --> 00:46:30.010 like goth Dark Eldar lady with her eyes out manages 00:46:30.010 --> 00:46:32.170 him to do stupid stuff. That's literally what 00:46:32.170 --> 00:46:35.010 the short story's about. Yeah, it was a gooner 00:46:35.010 --> 00:46:37.480 book. It was stupid. He's just like, I was in 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:38.780 the pub the other day. It was the most nothing 00:46:38.780 --> 00:46:40.960 burger I've ever read of a 40k book, even more 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:44.179 than The Silent King and books like that. It 00:46:44.179 --> 00:46:47.860 was a stupid short story. I too would throw away 00:46:47.860 --> 00:46:51.980 all I know to rail some Drukhari. Never mind, 00:46:52.099 --> 00:46:54.599 this man is so real, Eli. I'm sorry, I cannot 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:57.980 agree with you. I don't know if this is a fair 00:46:57.980 --> 00:47:03.119 comparison to say, but I think Fancy does this 00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:07.389 a lot better than 40k. because i think 40k i 00:47:07.389 --> 00:47:08.610 don't know if colin would agree with this but 00:47:08.610 --> 00:47:13.849 they make the elder almost seem too human in 00:47:13.849 --> 00:47:15.590 a sense you know what i mean like there's a part 00:47:15.590 --> 00:47:17.530 of it that almost seems like it's just a human 00:47:17.530 --> 00:47:20.929 in different armor whereas i was kind of a goober 00:47:20.929 --> 00:47:24.369 yeah but if i if i in one of the fantasy i don't 00:47:24.369 --> 00:47:26.849 get that impression at all like i i know they 00:47:26.849 --> 00:47:46.179 feel like very distinctly not human i feel like 00:47:46.179 --> 00:47:51.159 the animation is quite good for this like there's 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.079 the uh the x um the exodite animation where there's 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:56.900 like a basically an exodite who's just like oh 00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.420 the tao they're basically just going to follow 00:47:59.420 --> 00:48:01.480 the same things that the humans are doing they're 00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:03.139 a dead species and he's kind of above it all 00:48:03.139 --> 00:48:05.880 i watched recently the aeronautica show and it 00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.239 was all about like a again like a thunderbolt 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:12.880 pilot versus a sam hayne pilot of a phantom and 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:14.239 they're having their grudge match and there's 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:16.860 like a whole bit was just like the humans they 00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:19.820 die and we don't die but why do they keep throwing 00:48:19.820 --> 00:48:23.280 themselves it just this this they're clearly 00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:24.840 outclassed and blah blah and he's like trying 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.900 to confide with the other elders like they are 00:48:26.900 --> 00:48:29.159 childish creatures they don't know any better 00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:30.860 and it's like there are glimmers of that but 00:48:30.860 --> 00:48:33.800 i i do agree that like they don't feel very unknowable 00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:36.940 they just feel like uh they're just arrogant 00:48:36.940 --> 00:48:42.239 human humanoids that i do not ironically does 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.360 it get that feeling really well and you're gonna 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:50.420 laugh at this the dawn of war three trailer when 00:48:50.420 --> 00:48:54.019 it showed the banshees. It shows you their armor, 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:58.219 which is ancient. Yeah, the trailer, that opening 00:48:58.219 --> 00:49:01.820 is sick. That gets it correctly. They almost 00:49:01.820 --> 00:49:04.559 seem like phantoms. They're haunting the universe 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.800 because they're that old. I think that gets the 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.579 tone right. If you go read some different Eldar 00:49:10.579 --> 00:49:14.400 books, they might seem cooler. They're cool sometimes 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.260 when they're not in the Space Marine book. They 00:49:17.260 --> 00:49:20.340 can be cool in Alien and Becky. just some authors 00:49:20.340 --> 00:49:22.480 are better than others that's just how it'll 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:27.260 be i don't know phil kelly actually wrote their 00:49:27.260 --> 00:49:31.000 their codex somewhat decently to give him one 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.139 piece of credit nice post color would be the 00:49:34.139 --> 00:49:37.639 that aeronautica thing with the uh the dog fight 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:41.719 diary of jane over it yeah yeah i'll say for 00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:44.539 the um if we're ready though the next section 00:49:44.539 --> 00:49:49.659 is all right No, we did Dark Elves. Because I 00:49:49.659 --> 00:49:52.079 mentioned about Naggarond, which you were... 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.159 They've got proper historical grievances as opposed 00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:57.420 to, I sure do love turning people into chairs. 00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:59.840 Which, granted, the Dark Elves also do turn into 00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:03.039 a chair. The Dark Elves are needlessly cruel, 00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:06.079 but they at least have a legitimate conflict 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.619 going on. And reasons to have conflict. They 00:50:09.619 --> 00:50:12.420 have a backdoor out of being soul -consumed by 00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:15.019 Slaanesh. I find that a bit strange. I would 00:50:15.019 --> 00:50:16.760 just kind of... we can just kind of summon ourselves 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:20.440 out of it with like rituals like okay seems a 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:25.659 bit strange well it depends how powerful you 00:50:25.659 --> 00:50:29.019 are the homunculi like we figured it out like 00:50:29.019 --> 00:50:33.139 how did you do that that's doesn't sound like 00:50:33.139 --> 00:50:34.460 you should come back a bit broken but they'll 00:50:34.460 --> 00:50:36.639 say oh i just suffered a lot it's like you shouldn't 00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.880 be like you should and it's fun in their stories 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:42.699 where like a demon uses it as a way to like smuggle 00:50:42.699 --> 00:50:45.539 himself into like a summoned drukhari emperor 00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:47.960 of the past which is fun but like most of the 00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:49.900 time it's just like i hurt a lot like is that 00:50:49.900 --> 00:50:52.239 it you're not gonna come back like i have memory 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.880 loss or like a repercussion it's like no it sucked 00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:01.940 oh okay i say other than that though we have 00:51:01.940 --> 00:51:07.599 another section which is uh chaos chaos and fantasy 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.659 and chaos and 40k This is a pretty big topic. 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:21.019 When it comes to the champions of Chaos, I would 00:51:21.019 --> 00:51:23.659 say Fantasy does better. Archeon is more compelling 00:51:23.659 --> 00:51:27.159 than Abaddon. I know there's probably a lot of 00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.159 Abaddon apologists out there who are like, no, 00:51:30.380 --> 00:51:36.000 trust me. I swear, each of the 12 Crusades were 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.920 actually for a purpose. That was retroactive, 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:42.800 by the way, they added that in. That's like someone's, 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:48.019 you know, what's the guy who's in that movie 00:51:48.019 --> 00:51:50.199 thing? It's like, you know, it doesn't matter 00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.420 if you lose, you just declare victory or something 00:51:52.420 --> 00:51:54.400 and then you go home and you just shout that 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:59.860 you've won. I don't find Abaddon as cool as Archeon. 00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:01.920 Archeon has a bit more of a... I guess it's a 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:07.440 bit of a... His lore's kind of weirdly... I don't 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.579 really get it, Colin. It comes like weirdly full 00:52:09.579 --> 00:52:13.579 circle of his whole thing is I'm not no servant 00:52:13.579 --> 00:52:15.719 of chaos. You know, I'm not going to be told 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:18.800 what to do. Ends up doing the exact thing he 00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:22.219 was told to do. So I don't really. I don't know. 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.980 How do you. Well, he's got his plan is that if 00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:30.460 I kill everyone, chaos has no worshippers. Oh, 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.199 he hates him that much. He wants to destroy everyone. 00:52:33.699 --> 00:52:37.489 Yeah. Oh, I didn't realize it was that bad. He 00:52:37.489 --> 00:52:39.809 hates chaos so much, he's willing to become it. 00:52:39.829 --> 00:52:42.230 He's doing a Darth Kreia. Alpharius mentioned, 00:52:42.369 --> 00:52:46.610 kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself. 00:52:47.309 --> 00:52:49.750 But also, like, there are plenty of cool chaos 00:52:49.750 --> 00:52:52.610 lords that actually, like, I feel like Fancy 00:52:52.610 --> 00:52:54.829 doesn't really give chaos characters outside 00:52:54.829 --> 00:52:58.590 of Archeon much chance to shine in their own 00:52:58.590 --> 00:53:02.480 novels. Sigvald, dude. Sigvald the Mog. Valkia. 00:53:02.619 --> 00:53:05.900 Mogger. Korn has a wife in fantasy. Valkia the 00:53:05.900 --> 00:53:08.239 Bloody. Wolfric the freaking Wanderer. Glotkin. 00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:13.519 Do they have novels? There is a Wolfric book. 00:53:14.139 --> 00:53:17.539 There is a Sigvald book. But how many -ish? How 00:53:17.539 --> 00:53:20.940 many Chaos Lords are we talking? It's not about 00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:24.380 volume, though. No, no, but my point is Warhammer 00:53:24.380 --> 00:53:27.989 has so many like... Cheeky fellas who are just 00:53:27.989 --> 00:53:29.750 like that. We had the xanthine book. We've got 00:53:29.750 --> 00:53:34.750 the new Alpharius Chaos Lord guy Solomon Akura 00:53:34.750 --> 00:53:38.369 All the Legion all the bad legions or the baddies 00:53:38.369 --> 00:53:40.769 have like plenty of guys like typhus and stuff, 00:53:40.869 --> 00:53:42.750 of course But then they also take a risk going. 00:53:43.050 --> 00:53:45.900 Here's a brand new guy. That's like oh we got 00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:47.340 that new apostle book where it's about a new 00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:49.480 word bearer of chaos lord and then there's the 00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.219 omnibus for word bearers and there's like there's 00:53:51.219 --> 00:53:53.760 so many chaos characters and then there's all 00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:55.380 the ones that are like the villain of the week 00:53:55.380 --> 00:53:57.760 in the books that are for for good characters 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:01.059 it seems like they've kind of got such a dearth 00:54:01.059 --> 00:54:04.329 of perspectives and personalities that i think 00:54:04.329 --> 00:54:06.829 it's i mean there's there is a million villain 00:54:06.829 --> 00:54:09.289 of the week chaos lords and fantasy too they're 00:54:09.289 --> 00:54:11.550 just you know the the villain of the books yeah 00:54:11.550 --> 00:54:13.690 yeah but but they but they also but they don't 00:54:13.690 --> 00:54:16.210 have as many like bespoke books where they take 00:54:16.210 --> 00:54:17.809 a risk on those kind of characters like even 00:54:17.809 --> 00:54:20.389 i'll say blade with uh the knight lord's character 00:54:20.389 --> 00:54:23.030 with the uh knight lord's omnibus as well etc 00:54:23.030 --> 00:54:26.000 like I feel like Warhammer has so many of those 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.159 when compared to Fantasy. Part of that at this 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:30.679 point is because Warhammer Fantasy as Warhammer 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:34.800 Fantasy doesn't exist any longer. Yeah. True. 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.519 That's why it's not as good as 40k. I would argue 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:41.800 that 40k... Kill him! 40k does do Chaos Champions 00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:47.179 slightly better because even though... No one 00:54:47.179 --> 00:54:49.920 can beat Lucius. I'll give you that. With each 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.360 of the four Chaos Gods in 40k... Each of them 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:55.920 has a compelling champion that you can follow. 00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:57.599 Andy makes the point that you can follow throughout 00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:01.440 multiple novels and you really get to know them. 00:55:01.539 --> 00:55:06.639 Whereas the fantasy ones, they feel more like 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.659 archetypes. Valkyr the Bloody is more of like, 00:55:09.780 --> 00:55:12.820 that's a cool concept of a character rather than 00:55:12.820 --> 00:55:15.380 a character that you actually get to know and 00:55:15.380 --> 00:55:18.360 be involved with and follow their downfall, essentially. 00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:21.780 That's more of a... it's more of a creature so 00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:24.400 you know they're more of a force of nature but 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:26.179 dude like some of them are like their designs 00:55:26.179 --> 00:55:30.400 are really cool though he was um i remember he 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:33.360 was like the uh he was a part of uh sigma's like 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.260 initial umbarogan tribe and then he's actually 00:55:36.260 --> 00:55:38.480 corrupted by slanesh i can't remember what his 00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:41.409 name is colin he's like the demon oh yeah no 00:55:41.409 --> 00:55:44.530 he was part of that like the four four chaos 00:55:44.530 --> 00:55:48.250 guys the okay that's wow yeah in the dlc unbelievably 00:55:48.250 --> 00:55:55.670 unhelpful guys as it's not a sale it's it's a 00:55:55.670 --> 00:56:00.250 zazel that's it yeah but yeah his design is really 00:56:00.250 --> 00:56:04.030 like i find his design cooler than i find lucis's 00:56:04.030 --> 00:56:05.989 current design not necessarily the character 00:56:05.989 --> 00:56:09.369 but the design other parts but then 40k something 00:56:09.369 --> 00:56:11.570 like you know you got typhus you got ariman you 00:56:11.570 --> 00:56:15.650 got khan you have so many like compelling characters 00:56:15.650 --> 00:56:19.329 that you can enjoy more although i mean like 00:56:19.329 --> 00:56:21.489 even in that the chaos legions themselves are 00:56:21.489 --> 00:56:24.630 just ridiculous whereas i like warriors of chaos 00:56:24.630 --> 00:56:28.190 in fantasy like just standard warriors of chaos 00:56:28.190 --> 00:56:30.530 that is better than black legion fight me on 00:56:30.530 --> 00:56:32.630 that i do not care if anyone says chaos is a 00:56:32.630 --> 00:56:34.889 real threat chaos is a real threat in fantasy 00:56:35.579 --> 00:56:38.500 Chaos in 40k is a nothing burger. Yet again. 00:56:39.539 --> 00:56:42.699 There's so many nothing burgers in 40k. Chaos 00:56:42.699 --> 00:56:44.760 Space Marine is a useless war that is literally 00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:48.239 stupid. Joining Chaos gives you nothing and it 00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:51.440 damns your soul to hell for eternity. Chaos is 00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.940 stupid in 40k. Chaos is just dumb. People like 00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:57.300 it. Erebus is doing fine. Yeah, until Erebus 00:56:57.300 --> 00:56:59.219 freaking dies and he's tormented for eternity. 00:57:00.460 --> 00:57:03.219 We haven't seen that. You're jumping the gun. 00:57:03.929 --> 00:57:07.250 uh -huh that would be so good i hope corn wears 00:57:07.250 --> 00:57:13.369 him like a flashlight that's crazy i said yeah 00:57:13.369 --> 00:57:16.010 i'm saying the average warrior of chaos is so 00:57:16.010 --> 00:57:17.889 like intimidating because obviously there's no 00:57:17.889 --> 00:57:21.210 real like fantasy equivalent they're just there's 00:57:21.210 --> 00:57:24.550 that's a big tank of a warrior and you've got 00:57:24.550 --> 00:57:28.050 no chance except your musket and maybe you need 00:57:28.050 --> 00:57:31.590 10 men with you And then when you get to the 00:57:31.590 --> 00:57:34.849 Divergent Chaos God part, I think 40k does that 00:57:34.849 --> 00:57:38.289 better, because if you're a fan of Zeech stuff, 00:57:38.530 --> 00:57:41.110 you're a fan of Zeech stuff in Warhammer Fantasy, 00:57:41.469 --> 00:57:45.050 no offence, Village isn't doing it for me. Mr. 00:57:45.150 --> 00:57:49.409 Conjoined Sorcerer Twin is not doing it for me 00:57:49.409 --> 00:57:51.289 compared to Ahriman and the Thousand Suns. Dude, 00:57:51.289 --> 00:57:52.929 you don't want your circumcised twin growing 00:57:52.929 --> 00:57:57.389 out of you? Every day. Old body circumcision? 00:58:00.300 --> 00:58:04.019 lovely yeah well yeah i i like there's elements 00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:06.440 in it that i like in both i'm very reluctant 00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:11.099 so i think 40k just edges out in terms like every 00:58:11.099 --> 00:58:13.099 other thing they have with it but i do really 00:58:13.099 --> 00:58:17.380 like just bog -standard chaos in um fantasy compared 00:58:17.380 --> 00:58:23.480 to bog -standard chaos yeah and there's still 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:26.670 good parts of chaos in 40k airing fantasy Even 00:58:26.670 --> 00:58:28.570 if it's not that prevalent, there's still the 00:58:28.570 --> 00:58:32.190 good aspects of the Chaos Gods, unlike 40k, where 00:58:32.190 --> 00:58:36.610 that's just completely done away with. They made 00:58:36.610 --> 00:58:39.889 them worse. Chaos Gods are better in fantasy, 00:58:40.230 --> 00:58:42.269 that's for sure. There's also more of them. There's 00:58:42.269 --> 00:58:46.590 also some we're missing on. There's all the different 00:58:46.590 --> 00:58:50.030 minor gods. Chaos Gods of Law. Or kind of, actually. 00:58:50.190 --> 00:58:52.030 They came back in the Age of Sigmar, I think. 00:58:52.230 --> 00:58:55.030 What's up? Praise the Brass Bowl. Praise the 00:58:55.030 --> 00:58:57.369 Brass Bowl, even though that's... Oh, wait, no. 00:58:57.449 --> 00:59:01.309 That's also Turok's The Brass Bowl. But I see 00:59:01.309 --> 00:59:06.949 what you mean now. But no, there's also... I'm 00:59:06.949 --> 00:59:10.730 just saying. I'm just saying. Beastman as well. 00:59:10.789 --> 00:59:14.929 Beastman is better in fantasy. I mean, they hate 00:59:14.929 --> 00:59:20.119 them. Yeah. But Beastman is way better. They're 00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:24.800 actually a thing. Also, let's not forget Nuffle. 00:59:27.019 --> 00:59:30.639 Nuffle? Praise be Blood Bowl. Praise be football. 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:36.000 Football. Calls it football. Barely kicks it. 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:41.340 Invents the name soccer. Doesn't use it. Settle 00:59:41.340 --> 00:59:46.079 down, sir. Yeah, we chose not to. Yeah, I was 00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:50.090 going to say, should we do something? uh i'll 00:59:50.090 --> 00:59:53.449 start us off so um nomius chomsky if they don't 00:59:53.449 --> 00:59:55.670 start getting funny i'll start getting i'll start 00:59:55.670 --> 01:00:03.269 getting three dollars thank you miss man jones 01:00:03.269 --> 01:00:06.239 three five five five Thank you for the $9 .99. 01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:08.639 This is my first time giving to you guys. Long 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:11.099 time fan of Pankrus and the channel. I think 01:00:11.099 --> 01:00:13.239 you need to get off the Morathi simp wagon and 01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:17.280 onto the Elspeth von Draken hype train. Elspeth's 01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:21.420 feet are too clean. Okay. I hate that. You said 01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:25.380 that. I hate that. Goober404. Hang on. I saw 01:00:25.380 --> 01:00:27.179 this one. I need to address something with the 01:00:27.179 --> 01:00:29.900 five pounds. Thank you. If they don't start getting 01:00:29.900 --> 01:00:36.269 funny, I'll start getting homophobic. I don't 01:00:36.269 --> 01:00:40.309 know you. I don't know what you are. But statistically 01:00:40.309 --> 01:00:43.590 speaking, you are a man looking at the audience 01:00:43.590 --> 01:00:46.909 analytics. And you are the one who said earlier, 01:00:47.110 --> 01:00:49.449 Colin, don't stop talking. I'm almost finished. 01:00:49.690 --> 01:00:55.380 So, you know, he who lives in glass houses. Should 01:00:55.380 --> 01:00:58.739 not throw cum. What is the rule here? Extra medium 01:00:58.739 --> 01:01:01.559 for five bucks. Colin, you convinced me to finally 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:04.519 make my first models. On an unrelated note, does 01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:06.900 anyone know a good Harlequin paint scheme? Yeah, 01:01:06.940 --> 01:01:09.019 you throw your head against the wall and you 01:01:09.019 --> 01:01:10.800 choose something easier. Yeah, I was going to 01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:14.599 say, do I know of good paint schemes? Oh, plenty. 01:01:14.739 --> 01:01:18.219 Do I know how to do that? No. Okay, the actual 01:01:18.219 --> 01:01:21.840 thing is like there's a painter's tape. Painter's 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.440 tape, like a masking tape. You just cut that 01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:27.440 into like strips and then you lay them. Like, 01:01:27.460 --> 01:01:29.300 you know, people do hazard stripes. Tiny little 01:01:29.300 --> 01:01:31.940 strips. Yeah. You just lay them, you crisscross 01:01:31.940 --> 01:01:34.079 them on top of each other and just, that's it. 01:01:34.179 --> 01:01:36.420 Do a Van Halen when he made his guitar design 01:01:36.420 --> 01:01:38.000 where it's like red and black and white and he 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.360 just, he puts bits of tape over and he spray 01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:42.199 painted it. Then he took them off and then he 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:43.719 put more stripes on them and that's how he got 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:47.139 that like Frankenstrap design. Why was that my 01:01:47.139 --> 01:01:50.019 first thought earlier? I apologize. Oh, Benadryl. 01:01:50.699 --> 01:01:54.860 Benadryl. Hello, Benadryl. five bucks hello law 01:01:54.860 --> 01:01:57.659 crimes data reminder that exodite models exist 01:01:57.659 --> 01:02:02.619 screw you supremacy my tent is still ditched 01:02:02.619 --> 01:02:07.019 wow they're cool they're cool it's just you're 01:02:07.019 --> 01:02:10.059 not making an army out of that i'm sorry eggs 01:02:10.059 --> 01:02:15.039 are tip thank you for 199. so we are all chompsky 01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:16.860 now i don't know if you read that already but 01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:18.760 i'm reading it again i guess Are you starting? 01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:25.619 Colin, you reject of a dwarf man. I'm the OG. 01:02:25.820 --> 01:02:30.239 I know. That was Hal. Yeah, that was Hal. Colin 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.260 catching strays, bro. What are the names of your 01:02:32.260 --> 01:02:39.219 profiles, guys? With a natural PSP. Colin, why 01:02:39.219 --> 01:02:41.199 the fuck are you wearing Coca -Cola pajamas? 01:02:41.659 --> 01:02:49.070 Fair retort. uh donkey man usa for five bucks 01:02:49.070 --> 01:02:51.809 on green's green colin in a chair on his wall 01:02:51.809 --> 01:02:56.889 wow we got two new members uh skate later skeleta 01:02:56.889 --> 01:03:01.550 stay later later there you go and also green 01:03:01.550 --> 01:03:05.050 tea hag who also commented which hogwarts house 01:03:05.050 --> 01:03:15.119 would each of you be placed in um What's going 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.019 on in college? Anybody say I've never seen Harry 01:03:17.019 --> 01:03:18.860 Potter or something like that? No, I've read 01:03:18.860 --> 01:03:20.460 the books. I've only seen the first movie, though. 01:03:20.539 --> 01:03:23.860 No, I'm thinking of the Family Guy bit. Hufflepuff. 01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:28.420 Slytherin. Housing for registered sex offenders. 01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:37.800 Oh, man. Bro, I did not say hell out here saying 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:39.460 Game World. I did not say Game World. He's gaming! 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:44.429 It's true. He's got his game out. See the guy's 01:03:44.429 --> 01:03:49.369 lies. Thank you for the 50k D Saturnine 72. Also, 01:03:49.409 --> 01:03:51.269 where's my 10 hour long lore crimes beginner 01:03:51.269 --> 01:03:53.929 to expert the Roman Empire video? Can't wait 01:03:53.929 --> 01:03:56.170 for the separate second Punic War video from 01:03:56.170 --> 01:03:58.769 that. I've always thought that Colin should do 01:03:58.769 --> 01:04:01.789 a history channel or something. I would need 01:04:01.789 --> 01:04:05.110 to properly log in for that also. Yeah, I'm quite 01:04:05.110 --> 01:04:10.079 busy. Small cocks Colin, cocks all of fantasy. 01:04:10.500 --> 01:04:15.000 Faku you 40k, you are next. Wow. Thanks for the 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:20.920 five euros. It was a tough day for Colin. You 01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:23.219 good, Andy? You good? Okay, so now that y 'all 01:04:23.219 --> 01:04:25.539 back, are we doing mini of the week again? You'll 01:04:25.539 --> 01:04:28.519 see. Yes. Also new ogres got me rubbing my belly. 01:04:28.780 --> 01:04:33.099 They were good. They were good. What is that 01:04:33.099 --> 01:04:41.449 picture? Is that a carved potato? greater than 01:04:41.449 --> 01:04:44.869 every jukari character in 40k true and real how 01:04:44.869 --> 01:04:56.909 many cut chairs do you need to have before you're 01:04:56.909 --> 01:05:07.500 a fantasy it's not it's not in here The dog got 01:05:07.500 --> 01:05:11.340 punished. Thank you, Red. We love you. What would 01:05:11.340 --> 01:05:14.679 we do without you? Extra medium for two bucks. 01:05:14.780 --> 01:05:16.820 Thank you very much, Red. That was incredibly 01:05:16.820 --> 01:05:20.119 generous, my god. Two bucks? Fantasy doesn't 01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:23.039 have CS gotto. Dude, shout out to the Dawn of 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.320 War novels where he wrote that the Eldar steal 01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:27.460 Imperial tanks because they're better than Eldar 01:05:27.460 --> 01:05:32.179 tanks. Infinite hate and rage. And if I remember 01:05:32.179 --> 01:05:34.400 correctly, a bunch of children shoved a stick 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:37.769 up a... up an autarch's butt. Well, of course. 01:05:37.929 --> 01:05:45.510 Why not? Probably. You would starve Eli. DonkeyManUSA 01:05:45.510 --> 01:05:48.550 for five bucks. Colin wants my replacement laptop. 01:05:48.989 --> 01:05:51.969 Brackets. That the HAL video annihilated. Oh 01:05:51.969 --> 01:05:54.789 my god. Arrives. I'm drawing thank all times 01:05:54.789 --> 01:05:57.909 Colin. Sir, I've explicitly stated it's just 01:05:57.909 --> 01:06:03.829 the elves. Please. No rat. Isn't that BCL? DonkeyMan. 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:12.119 Thank you. Swiffy Swoff Brush. That's fun to 01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.260 say. Name better characters and stories in God 01:06:15.260 --> 01:06:17.780 Trick and Felix. Fantasy dub until Votan get 01:06:17.780 --> 01:06:23.820 better lore. Twerves, your honor. True. Gavis 01:06:23.820 --> 01:06:28.239 Gain's also a banger. I like God Trick. Name 01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:30.699 this again. we are sailing through the oceans 01:06:30.699 --> 01:06:32.760 of youtube censorship but by the grace of god 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:36.619 are we perfect yes there you are i love living 01:06:36.619 --> 01:06:41.059 in the uk yeah simon jeffy for 50 bucks thank 01:06:41.059 --> 01:06:43.380 you thank you very much i was going to ask how 01:06:43.380 --> 01:06:45.519 you'll feel about the differences between 40k 01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:48.940 smash and fantasy slanesh also praise fantasy 01:06:48.940 --> 01:06:52.280 for its nurgle w's nurgle is the main character 01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:54.480 of fantasy a lot of the time nowadays i feel 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:58.360 like ever since the end times I like both of 01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:00.639 them, but Lucius the Eternal is my goat, and 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:04.500 the Emperor's children are really cool. So 40k 01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:06.820 does have that going on. Yeah, I would, Sigvald. 01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:12.280 I think Fantasy Slaanesh is scarier because they're 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:14.519 willing to touch on the more darker subjects 01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:17.780 of it, whereas in 40k they're all space marines 01:07:17.780 --> 01:07:21.860 and they only care about huffing spicy stuff 01:07:21.860 --> 01:07:25.800 rather than actually... I mean, obviously, like, 01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:27.559 it's not necessarily like if you're an author, 01:07:27.699 --> 01:07:29.639 I'm sure a lot of them don't already go there 01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:32.980 per se. But, you know, I just like want to buy 01:07:32.980 --> 01:07:36.019 some death sticks. Shut up, Eidolon. No one cares. 01:07:36.980 --> 01:07:40.840 Cut your head off again, bro. Swiffy swath brush 01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:43.239 again for two. Archeon had an evil girlfriend, 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:49.159 Abby. No maidens. Wow. Dragon's long. He back. 01:07:49.969 --> 01:07:52.250 recovered from his stuff. Oops, thank you for 01:07:52.250 --> 01:07:55.329 the $5. Colin, who's the best monster? Musume 01:07:55.329 --> 01:08:00.969 girl. I've never seen that show. It was a show. 01:08:01.309 --> 01:08:04.449 I thought it was like a thing, like an archetype. 01:08:04.630 --> 01:08:07.909 No, no. Well, monster girl is a thing, but I'll... 01:08:07.909 --> 01:08:14.329 I'm not reading that. I'm not reading that. Guba404 01:08:14.329 --> 01:08:18.159 says, 10 pounds. Thank you. Says thanks for that, 01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:22.279 Colin. I've finished now. Wow. Make sure to clean 01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:25.020 up after yourself. And horror's acting like, 01:08:25.060 --> 01:08:29.159 oh my god. Two pounds. Colin, which member of 01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:31.640 the Mournival is hitting raw? None of them have 01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:34.199 any sexual, like, anything in them anymore, so 01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:38.960 none of them. Tarek? Have you heard the one about 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:44.619 the bear? Because he's a gay man. He's a bear. 01:08:45.579 --> 01:08:47.979 Characters always make a joke about the bears. 01:08:48.779 --> 01:08:53.600 Hmm. Hmm. Hyperbolic back hole. Wow. For five. 01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:55.840 How many more Halo reels do I have to send Pank 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:58.159 before he responds to me? Also, this has been 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:00.260 such a great stream so far. Thank you very much. 01:09:00.340 --> 01:09:02.000 Thank you. I didn't know you were sending me 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:06.979 Halo reels. So real. Gray boss. Love that. Love 01:09:06.979 --> 01:09:09.359 that profile image. Remember for 11 months. Do 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:11.939 we know that? Do we know that the gene defects 01:09:11.939 --> 01:09:16.619 for all legions? I don't think all of them have. 01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:19.479 Dark angels are fine. Yeah, they're fine. I think 01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:22.520 ultramarines are fine too. Dark angels make some 01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:26.000 assholes. Yeah, their gene seed defect is that 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:31.020 they're all cunts. Not even like the fun 40k 01:09:31.020 --> 01:09:34.159 way. They're just dicks. Or not like big cunt 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:36.619 energy as the kids say. It's bad. They're not 01:09:36.619 --> 01:09:40.130 serving. One for you, Hal. dragon schlong for 01:09:40.130 --> 01:09:43.789 five bucks how why are you the front of r slash 01:09:43.789 --> 01:09:51.229 dog shakers is this true look that out what is 01:09:51.229 --> 01:09:56.250 that oh i just learned what that was like a few 01:09:56.250 --> 01:09:59.170 months ago is that for real is that for real 01:09:59.170 --> 01:10:04.800 oh this is Oh, dude, this is an easy answer. 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:07.659 I picked the Empire in the Skyrim Civil War because 01:10:07.659 --> 01:10:10.119 a united mankind will result in more dead elves 01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:13.840 than a divided one. Hmm. If I actually believed 01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:15.739 that that was going to work, I'd be on that side, 01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:17.560 but I don't, so I'm on the Stormcloak side. An 01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:19.640 independent Skyrim has no chance against the 01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:21.720 Thalmor. It's not going to work. Mankind needs 01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:23.920 to be together. Yeah, but the Thalmor are in 01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:26.189 control, man. The Empire don't got no control. 01:10:26.369 --> 01:10:28.310 They're both getting ready for war. They know 01:10:28.310 --> 01:10:30.630 it's coming. Just give it time. You're too fucking 01:10:30.630 --> 01:10:34.329 impatient. What is this? Filthy, stupid Nords 01:10:34.329 --> 01:10:36.789 that the slightest bit of independence should 01:10:36.789 --> 01:10:41.029 be granted to them. What is that subreddit? I 01:10:41.029 --> 01:10:43.989 have no idea what that even means. Look it up. 01:10:44.470 --> 01:10:48.250 I just did it. I have no idea what the hell it 01:10:48.250 --> 01:10:54.439 was on about. Simon Jeffy for five bucks. This 01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:57.199 is the most Hufflepuff slash Ravencore 50 -50 01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:00.020 split podcast ever. Decide amongst yourselves 01:11:00.020 --> 01:11:03.840 who is in what house. I told you I'm in Slytherin, 01:11:03.899 --> 01:11:10.279 man. I'm in Slytherin. I've got ops. I'm in Slytherin. 01:11:10.380 --> 01:11:14.510 Nah. Who is your aunt, Hal? Hal's Ravenclaw. 01:11:14.829 --> 01:11:17.609 I had people make super cuts about Hal. He looks 01:11:17.609 --> 01:11:20.090 like a bird. It's because they love you, Hal. 01:11:20.210 --> 01:11:21.930 It's because they love you, not because they're 01:11:21.930 --> 01:11:29.869 your aunt. Oh my god. Thank you for the 5A. A 01:11:29.869 --> 01:11:32.189 nice thing to wake up to this morning. Which 01:11:32.189 --> 01:11:34.130 GW author would you lads like to have publicly 01:11:34.130 --> 01:11:36.710 humiliated? And a tomato star one of them. You 01:11:36.710 --> 01:11:38.869 already know it's Phil Kelly. You already know. 01:11:40.740 --> 01:11:42.439 We probably shouldn't say it because it's going 01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:49.039 to impact our careers. Nickheim. Yeah. I'm just 01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:52.060 kidding. Oh, dude, I don't give a shit. I'm never 01:11:52.060 --> 01:11:54.520 working with GW. They don't care. They don't 01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:58.239 like me, I assume. Owlcat does, though. I like 01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:01.579 Owlcat, and they sent me a Christmas thing. Yeah. 01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:07.979 This is for you, Andy. Voidedoni for 10. Andy, 01:12:08.060 --> 01:12:09.840 last night I watched a video of yours, and I 01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:10.979 don't know if I smoke too much, but it sounded 01:12:10.979 --> 01:12:12.439 like you were speaking at four times speed. Yeah, 01:12:12.460 --> 01:12:15.300 I kind of talk quite fast in my videos. Hey, 01:12:15.539 --> 01:12:20.640 don't drink 50 milligrams of THC drink. It's 01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:25.260 a bad idea. Okay. That party was very slow for 01:12:25.260 --> 01:12:34.880 me. I have a memory, a vague memory of I went 01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:37.609 to a house party when I was at uni. And I only 01:12:37.609 --> 01:12:40.350 have one memory. Arriving, meeting people in 01:12:40.350 --> 01:12:42.930 the kitchen, taking shots, and there's nothing 01:12:42.930 --> 01:12:45.630 after that. Dude, those are the best parties. 01:12:45.810 --> 01:12:48.390 I wasn't there, but I bet I had fun. I don't 01:12:48.390 --> 01:12:51.630 know how. I have no recollection. Dude, that 01:12:51.630 --> 01:12:55.989 was New Year's for me one year. I got there. 01:12:56.050 --> 01:12:58.430 I played Battlefront 2. My friend said, you want 01:12:58.430 --> 01:13:00.710 to get blackout drunk? So I had three solo cups 01:13:00.710 --> 01:13:04.810 of beer vodka in about 30 minutes. Surprised 01:13:04.810 --> 01:13:06.409 you guys still haven't done drunk war crimes. 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:11.020 One of these. For a while, I'm not doing that 01:13:11.020 --> 01:13:13.640 at my parents' house, but now my greatest problem 01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:17.699 is I drink my liquor too quickly. We might do 01:13:17.699 --> 01:13:24.199 Drunk History. Thank you for the $4 .99. Yo, 01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:27.359 VC is plotting your kidnapping. Yeah, Big C, 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:31.420 be ready. I assume that means Big C is calling. 01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:35.439 Yes. Give me just one moment. Yeah, you're all 01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:39.060 getting touched. I joined the Discord really 01:13:39.060 --> 01:13:44.600 quickly to say that. Thanks, guys. If there's 01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:47.800 any more, though, we should probably circle back 01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:50.979 around, maybe. Thank you very much, guys. Yeah, 01:13:50.979 --> 01:13:55.640 thank you. The next one, I think, was characters. 01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:59.060 So characters between 40k and fantasy. This is 01:13:59.060 --> 01:14:03.539 a tough one. Which emperor can still walk? Very 01:14:03.539 --> 01:14:06.760 interesting. Isn't Karl Franz dead? So true. 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:11.100 Isn't the Emperor dead? I guess so, but he's 01:14:11.100 --> 01:14:13.979 still kind of around. Yeah, and Karl Franz is 01:14:13.979 --> 01:14:19.279 now the Hand of God. Yeah. Yeah, isn't Karl Franz 01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:23.420 actually dead, though? As in the spirit of Sigmar 01:14:23.420 --> 01:14:27.479 had to inhabit his corpse? Celestin Prime. Is 01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:29.920 that confirmed to be Karl Franz? Who else is 01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:35.579 it going to be? Sure. I don't know. You're making 01:14:35.579 --> 01:14:37.659 a bet, baby. Also, you know, I'm just saying, 01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:40.199 you know, a flaming sword is cool. Flaming swords 01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:44.319 are cool. One of these emperors has the Warhammer. 01:14:45.659 --> 01:14:49.260 The actual logo of the hobby. Pardon me. True. 01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:51.859 I haven't read enough Warhammer fantasy books 01:14:51.859 --> 01:14:54.720 to actually have a... decent enough opinion on 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:57.100 which characters are better i mean dude i like 01:14:57.100 --> 01:14:59.420 the bruno the bounty hunter is fun they got you 01:14:59.420 --> 01:15:01.439 know matthias the woman the closest thing to 01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:03.640 a witch hunter slash inquisitor with a moral 01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:08.319 compass uh obviously you know the total war legendary 01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:11.680 lords are the big ones belthasar gelt my beloved 01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:15.600 funniest funniest guy on the planet uh obviously 01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:18.560 gotrek and felix of course need to mention them 01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:20.399 let's not pretend that they're not doing a whole 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:23.369 lot of heavy lifting I say that like they're 01:15:23.369 --> 01:15:26.210 more so just like, damn, they're fucking sick. 01:15:27.109 --> 01:15:28.949 It's interesting that the Godric and the Felix 01:15:28.949 --> 01:15:31.609 stuff has had a few different authors, mostly 01:15:31.609 --> 01:15:36.069 like William King, then David Geimer. David Geimer, 01:15:36.109 --> 01:15:39.010 yeah. Then there's been like a few others who've 01:15:39.010 --> 01:15:41.829 done like smaller, like shorter stories. Yeah. 01:15:41.930 --> 01:15:44.149 Yeah. But Sandy Mitchell is the only one who's 01:15:44.149 --> 01:15:46.710 only done all the Kuyper's Kane novels, I believe. 01:15:47.050 --> 01:15:50.829 Yeah. So he's actually, you know. He's been allowed 01:15:50.829 --> 01:15:52.689 to have that vision of that character, which, 01:15:52.689 --> 01:15:54.710 God forbid, if there's another Kyphos K novel, 01:15:55.010 --> 01:15:58.289 I'm so ready for it. I mean, I'm absolutely buying 01:15:58.289 --> 01:16:01.569 it. Yeah, I'm ready for number 15. I'm ready 01:16:01.569 --> 01:16:04.670 for number 15. Let's do it. A lot of the 40K 01:16:04.670 --> 01:16:07.069 characters feel like archetypes. Like, they're 01:16:07.069 --> 01:16:10.130 not a character. They are that faction, but making 01:16:10.130 --> 01:16:14.350 a character. Space Marines are already archetypes, 01:16:14.350 --> 01:16:18.840 so that doesn't help. but i mean characters achievements 01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:22.300 generally feel a lot cooler than 40ks because 01:16:22.300 --> 01:16:25.060 the fantasy characters actually get to die and 01:16:25.060 --> 01:16:28.199 it's not just plot armor all the time i will 01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:32.239 say that colin with your point i think that is 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:34.500 true for like some of the more popular characters 01:16:34.500 --> 01:16:36.920 when you read some of the more obscure ones that 01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:40.380 that becomes less so just because i guess the 01:16:40.380 --> 01:16:42.100 characters are a bit like especially inquisitor 01:16:42.100 --> 01:16:44.119 books can be a bit more like risky and crazy 01:16:44.729 --> 01:16:46.829 like uh atlas infernal i read recently and i 01:16:46.829 --> 01:16:48.689 was like oh this is a nice change of pace but 01:16:48.689 --> 01:16:50.670 it was a strange book and we'll never see that 01:16:50.670 --> 01:16:52.890 character even though he was like the character 01:16:52.890 --> 01:16:55.409 who's like does the opening for the l the first 01:16:55.409 --> 01:16:58.550 eldar codex is his like quote we'll never see 01:16:58.550 --> 01:17:00.050 that character again even though he does some 01:17:00.050 --> 01:17:02.649 cool stuff because it's just like it's not dante 01:17:02.649 --> 01:17:05.789 it's not manias kalgar it's not like a big space 01:17:05.789 --> 01:17:11.869 marine character i think with like i have a thing 01:17:11.869 --> 01:17:15.479 for like 40k characters as well I don't know. 01:17:15.539 --> 01:17:17.239 It's a weird thing. Even though some of them 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:20.600 are more above human, you weirdly get so much 01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:24.300 more variety in a sense of... Because you do 01:17:24.300 --> 01:17:27.000 have the human characters as well as the options. 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:32.199 I think 40k can give you both. I think the issue 01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:36.859 is the 40k package is more variety and better, 01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:39.920 but some of the fantasy characters, they just 01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:45.960 almost seem so god -tier interesting. I don't 01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:48.539 know if some of them have an equivalent. That's 01:17:48.539 --> 01:17:55.159 the issue, isn't it? There's just so many. In 01:17:55.159 --> 01:17:58.260 Chaos and all across, Sigvald is very unique 01:17:58.260 --> 01:18:02.060 as a Slaanesh character. I don't feel like there 01:18:02.060 --> 01:18:05.020 is an equivalent to him. I guess Fulgrim is the 01:18:05.020 --> 01:18:08.239 obvious one, but the specific way Sigvald is 01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:11.199 written is very different from this demigod tempted 01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:14.289 by Slaanesh. He was just a fucking guy. that 01:18:14.289 --> 01:18:16.050 Slaanesh found it funny to give him everything 01:18:16.050 --> 01:18:20.449 ever he always wanted. Yeah, I mean, Zantine 01:18:20.449 --> 01:18:22.210 in his book is kind of like that, but he kind 01:18:22.210 --> 01:18:25.289 of does everything wrong. He just ruins a planet 01:18:25.289 --> 01:18:28.489 for his own sick, twisted pleasures, and then 01:18:28.489 --> 01:18:30.949 his warbands start to turn on him, and it's like, 01:18:31.109 --> 01:18:36.430 ugh. I'm going to say, look, even my dislike 01:18:36.430 --> 01:18:38.369 of Space Marines and the Horus Heresy, the drop 01:18:38.369 --> 01:18:42.130 site, or no, the... Istvan III, Atrocity. I'll 01:18:42.130 --> 01:18:44.369 say, you know, that does make me feel a little 01:18:44.369 --> 01:18:46.250 bit something. I like that lore event a lot. 01:18:47.069 --> 01:18:49.149 You know, all the characters, you know, the Rylor, 01:18:49.350 --> 01:18:51.789 the two death guard, the one Drenadon, the one 01:18:51.789 --> 01:18:54.489 guy who, you know, this is our death. That's 01:18:54.489 --> 01:18:58.890 good. But, you know, it's only been Snorri that's 01:18:58.890 --> 01:19:02.029 made me actually tear up. I'm man enough to admit 01:19:02.029 --> 01:19:04.970 there was some tears when I read that passage. 01:19:07.050 --> 01:19:09.649 when i got to the end of a seizure terror though 01:19:09.649 --> 01:19:13.050 i was very much like bro i've been following 01:19:13.050 --> 01:19:15.909 that book series for like i don't know how many 01:19:15.909 --> 01:19:18.510 deep and when it finally came to the end i was 01:19:18.510 --> 01:19:21.930 like oh my god like what is left in life you 01:19:21.930 --> 01:19:24.270 know what i mean there's a sense of i don't know 01:19:24.270 --> 01:19:25.869 if everyone was willing to do that because obviously 01:19:25.869 --> 01:19:27.930 it's a bit insane obviously we're like content 01:19:27.930 --> 01:19:30.250 creators so we're obviously we engage more than 01:19:30.250 --> 01:19:35.739 most people but that was a bit of a crazy like 01:19:35.739 --> 01:19:38.000 cataclysm of like so many threads coming together 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.680 at the end of it i was kind of like marveled 01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:44.159 at so many things were over i don't know what 01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:45.739 we'd like because when i when i read like some 01:19:45.739 --> 01:19:47.840 fancy ones or like when i think about godric 01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:50.840 and felix and i think you know like at some point 01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:54.079 it makes me sadder that it ended like as in like 01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:56.000 it had an end point that story whereas like with 01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:58.340 warhammer like we figured like horrors heroes 01:19:58.340 --> 01:20:00.260 and other stuff i kind of know it was always 01:20:00.260 --> 01:20:02.739 going to end that way so i don't feel as sad 01:20:02.739 --> 01:20:04.569 and i almost like it weirdly gets to enjoy it 01:20:04.569 --> 01:20:06.630 more like it almost feels like it's not over 01:20:06.630 --> 01:20:09.050 do you mean like i'm still in it no i i get what 01:20:09.050 --> 01:20:10.850 you mean and that is a fair thing but i will 01:20:10.850 --> 01:20:13.750 say to some point i wouldn't say that's entirely 01:20:13.750 --> 01:20:17.210 fair because it it's a prequel like it's going 01:20:17.210 --> 01:20:20.569 in you know obviously there's going to be more 01:20:20.569 --> 01:20:24.930 because it's 30k and the game's called 40k um 01:20:24.930 --> 01:20:26.789 which again like there's stuff with that like 01:20:26.789 --> 01:20:28.590 you know prequels have a lot of things they can 01:20:28.590 --> 01:20:30.810 do that more like you know just ongoing stories 01:20:30.810 --> 01:20:34.819 can but I don't think I'd say that's like an 01:20:34.819 --> 01:20:37.180 indication of even one or the other necessarily 01:20:37.180 --> 01:20:39.420 being better. That's almost just like the medium 01:20:39.420 --> 01:20:44.619 of a prequel being a prequel. It's, you know, 01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:46.720 it just lets you do different things, which again, 01:20:46.779 --> 01:20:48.720 for better and worse, like for the better, like 01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:51.180 you can flesh stuff out. And then obviously for 01:20:51.180 --> 01:20:54.760 the worst though, it's like, well, we know the 01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:57.539 end of the Horus heresy from the start, even 01:20:57.539 --> 01:21:01.779 if they changed a few things that. perhaps didn't 01:21:01.779 --> 01:21:06.220 need to be changed. There's a lot of very flat 01:21:06.220 --> 01:21:09.039 characters in 40K. I'm sure there are in fantasy 01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:11.319 as well, but generally I find it more enjoyable 01:21:11.319 --> 01:21:14.840 to read about fantasy characters than 40K ones. 01:21:15.079 --> 01:21:19.300 But that being said, I genuinely enjoy reading 01:21:19.300 --> 01:21:22.140 side characters in 40K quite a lot, which are 01:21:22.140 --> 01:21:24.640 generally human beings and stuff. Yeah, I do 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:30.239 like a lot. Main character novels are often quite 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:35.800 mid. in 40k i don't know no i know what you mean 01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:38.960 like the that's the thing though because like 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:42.960 the fancy stuff is maybe in a good way like probably 01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:45.039 gonna hate to hear this but it almost is like 01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:48.319 a slight mild blessing that it ended in a sense 01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:51.279 of it wasn't like they didn't keep it around 01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:54.640 to keep pumping out yeah it's better or worse 01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:57.159 like there is an ending i know you know the specifics 01:21:57.159 --> 01:22:01.289 of the ending turbo diarrhea but yeah you know 01:22:01.289 --> 01:22:03.430 that there's there's no chance they can run a 01:22:03.430 --> 01:22:06.710 beloved character into the ground granted because 01:22:06.710 --> 01:22:10.649 they ran the setting into the crown but i mean 01:22:10.649 --> 01:22:13.050 and me and annie talked about like they've the 01:22:13.050 --> 01:22:18.409 40k like novel has been like there's so many 01:22:18.409 --> 01:22:20.729 of them and they've been going on for so long 01:22:20.729 --> 01:22:23.090 like the point is like it's probably not for 01:22:23.090 --> 01:22:25.510 most people but like we've read so many of them 01:22:25.510 --> 01:22:29.560 they almost seem formulaic to us because it's 01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:31.979 like a thing of you've come for ice cream you've 01:22:31.979 --> 01:22:33.880 got ice cream at your ice cream shop why are 01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:36.000 you upset you got ice cream which you get every 01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:39.939 single day yeah i i i when i read the books more 01:22:39.939 --> 01:22:43.979 these days like when i i read a a novel idea 01:22:43.979 --> 01:22:48.279 that happens like um in the sabathiel book where 01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:51.000 they they basically use like a custodian's body 01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:53.829 and attempts to try and like use him as a vessel 01:22:53.829 --> 01:22:55.770 to resurrect the emperor and he gets infected 01:22:55.770 --> 01:22:58.649 by nurgle and becomes like a like a chaos portal 01:22:58.649 --> 01:23:01.529 spawning point i mean ah that's that's cool i've 01:23:01.529 --> 01:23:02.930 never seen that before and he's like because 01:23:02.930 --> 01:23:06.449 he's like he's basically like um he's like in 01:23:06.449 --> 01:23:08.409 a vegetative state and so they can do it to him 01:23:08.409 --> 01:23:10.449 and it's like oh we'll get this one chance we 01:23:10.449 --> 01:23:12.310 found this custodian body or they'll be like 01:23:12.310 --> 01:23:14.689 ah you know atlas infernal which i read recently 01:23:14.689 --> 01:23:17.390 which is all about like ah i've I have to get 01:23:17.390 --> 01:23:20.350 this artifact to combat this sentient demon. 01:23:20.449 --> 01:23:23.329 And it contains the embryo of like a, a blank 01:23:23.329 --> 01:23:25.350 and it's in like a lantern thing. And you pull 01:23:25.350 --> 01:23:28.069 it up and it, it like soul scourges gray nights 01:23:28.069 --> 01:23:30.270 and they instantly die. If they're like, if they 01:23:30.270 --> 01:23:32.670 look at it and there's like weird little things 01:23:32.670 --> 01:23:37.149 like that, I find interesting. But when it's 01:23:37.149 --> 01:23:38.970 space marine stuff, especially it's usually last 01:23:38.970 --> 01:23:43.250 stand book or it's trial to become a captain 01:23:43.250 --> 01:23:45.369 or a, or a well -regarded member of the space 01:23:45.369 --> 01:23:50.529 Marines. ventress's books are quite fun but that's 01:23:50.529 --> 01:23:52.090 like an exception where there's like six of them 01:23:52.090 --> 01:23:53.550 so there's like lots of room for the maneuver 01:23:53.550 --> 01:23:57.229 and chaos stuff is always fun to be honest lords 01:23:57.229 --> 01:24:00.310 of silence the honsu stuff chaos is almost always 01:24:00.310 --> 01:24:03.609 more enjoyable to read about than regular space 01:24:03.609 --> 01:24:06.949 marine stuff even um god blight whether the death 01:24:06.949 --> 01:24:10.680 guard like oh here's typhus cameoing in this 01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:13.340 Gilliman book, ultramarine book series and he 01:24:13.340 --> 01:24:17.520 steals the line. He's such a dick. Regular Imperial 01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:20.239 Space Marine books are the weakest books in 40k. 01:24:20.300 --> 01:24:22.720 I don't know how they're constantly the most 01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:26.199 popular ones. Whatever, whatever. I think because 01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:28.300 they ignore character development whereas in 01:24:28.300 --> 01:24:30.659 the fantasy novels they're not afraid of character 01:24:30.659 --> 01:24:32.800 development as much because the person is going 01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:36.520 to ultimately die because they're a person. Even 01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:40.699 if they don't die it's because of the scale which 01:24:40.699 --> 01:24:43.260 again i prefer the lower scale there's only so 01:24:43.260 --> 01:24:46.380 much they can do promoting someone to like chapter 01:24:46.380 --> 01:24:49.140 master can you know change entire planets some 01:24:49.140 --> 01:24:52.159 guy gets a new sword and fantasy it's great for 01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:55.699 his character arc but he can only ruin so much 01:24:55.699 --> 01:24:59.939 well there is a book series it's only a two -parter 01:24:59.939 --> 01:25:01.939 which is the uh the king's blade books with the 01:25:01.939 --> 01:25:04.539 imperial knights that one's very fantasy coded 01:25:04.539 --> 01:25:07.880 where it's all like it's daniel and he's his 01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:10.119 dad and he's fighting with his family and then 01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:11.979 his dad dies and then he becomes the high king 01:25:11.979 --> 01:25:14.420 of his household and and then the second books 01:25:14.420 --> 01:25:16.520 is all about like an exile from his house it's 01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:19.119 like friend and so those books night stuff you 01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:21.619 don't see often but it's very fantasy warhammer 01:25:21.619 --> 01:25:23.439 fantasy like where you have a realm and you have 01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:26.680 a kingdom and that's fun but warhammer has that 01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:29.560 40k has that advantage of just you can divert 01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:32.399 to a weird fantasy style story one minute then 01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:34.020 you could do a space marine story then you could 01:25:34.020 --> 01:25:36.239 do a world war ii epic with the guard and then 01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:39.579 you could do a weird inquisitorial realm jumping 01:25:39.579 --> 01:25:42.560 heist and there's so much stuff you can do but 01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:45.939 again you have to go outside of the space marine 01:25:45.939 --> 01:25:48.609 stuff often to find that stuff You can, but, 01:25:48.649 --> 01:25:50.970 and that is definitely a positive of 40K that 01:25:50.970 --> 01:25:53.550 I would say Fantasy doesn't have, but the flip 01:25:53.550 --> 01:25:55.109 side of that is that, again, like, these all 01:25:55.109 --> 01:25:57.970 feel like separate little mini sandboxes, like 01:25:57.970 --> 01:25:59.850 everyone's playing in their own little corner 01:25:59.850 --> 01:26:02.649 on their own, and nothing feels connected, because 01:26:02.649 --> 01:26:04.250 it's like the thing with, you know, Exterminatus. 01:26:04.489 --> 01:26:07.109 You can blow up 50 worlds, the Imperium won't 01:26:07.109 --> 01:26:10.949 fucking know about it for 300 years. Like, the 01:26:10.949 --> 01:26:13.350 actions don't have nearly as much consequence 01:26:13.350 --> 01:26:16.399 until you hit, like, the Great Rift. But then 01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:18.560 again, I suppose the alternative is we have an 01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:23.380 end times looming in 40K. There was the Black 01:26:23.380 --> 01:26:25.460 Crusade, the 13th Black Crusade, and now it seems 01:26:25.460 --> 01:26:29.140 a bit like, ah, that was the presage for disaster, 01:26:29.420 --> 01:26:31.760 but the disaster hasn't really come yet. There's 01:26:31.760 --> 01:26:33.420 a resurgence from the Imperium, so that's kind 01:26:33.420 --> 01:26:36.380 of stalled. Yeah, that's just something. There's 01:26:36.380 --> 01:26:39.159 something that I don't even necessarily blame 01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:41.619 40K as the setting for. That's just because it's 01:26:41.619 --> 01:26:47.859 GW's cash cow. Yeah. At least 10 years. Yeah. 01:26:50.579 --> 01:26:53.539 Unrelated. I found an artwork I did of an ODST. 01:26:53.680 --> 01:27:00.979 You want to see it? Yeah. It's ODST. Oh. Handycam. 01:27:01.939 --> 01:27:07.180 Handycam. Eli Cam. It's me. I drew it. I drawed 01:27:07.180 --> 01:27:13.380 an ODST. No, that was it. I had my folder on 01:27:13.380 --> 01:27:17.899 my desk. There we go. What the hell just happened? 01:27:18.020 --> 01:27:21.140 We changed order as well. I just turned all our 01:27:21.140 --> 01:27:22.680 cameras off and then I put them back on. That's 01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:30.159 all. I'll say we have one last area of... We're 01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:33.380 going to talk throughout the whole video so far, 01:27:33.579 --> 01:27:37.880 the podcast, about the general law a bit. I think 01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:40.899 it'd be okay to go to the last section, which 01:27:40.899 --> 01:27:47.850 is the models. fantasy versus 40k in terms of 01:27:47.850 --> 01:27:51.390 models it may be a slightly unfair advantage 01:27:51.390 --> 01:27:54.250 to 40k because obviously their models are even 01:27:54.250 --> 01:27:55.689 some of their old ones are still being updated 01:27:55.689 --> 01:27:59.470 whereas fantasy technically died and got resurrected 01:27:59.470 --> 01:28:04.029 so it was offline for quite a while but i do 01:28:04.029 --> 01:28:07.670 have to say uh there's a slight downside to 40k 01:28:07.670 --> 01:28:11.920 here they have like i say fancy ones if they 01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:14.520 have old ones that don't look as good there's 01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:16.659 a certain charm to them you know what i mean 01:28:16.659 --> 01:28:19.220 like you don't mind if it's you know i don't 01:28:19.220 --> 01:28:22.260 care if my halfling looks like you know basically 01:28:22.260 --> 01:28:25.560 someone who's been like thrown against the wall 01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:28.680 and told to walk again immediately like i don't 01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:32.979 mind if it looks a bit off but you know 40k ones 01:28:32.979 --> 01:28:37.640 when they have some blunders And they have blunders 01:28:37.640 --> 01:28:39.539 that are only, like, less than a few years old 01:28:39.539 --> 01:28:42.140 as well. Like, Inquisitor Kosias is an infamous, 01:28:42.260 --> 01:28:46.239 like, what the hell is that? His face looks like 01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:50.460 anime. Like, it looks weirdly proportioned. But 01:28:50.460 --> 01:28:53.239 for every one of those, we get an Afon Shan or 01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:55.180 something that's like, ooh, what are you doing 01:28:55.180 --> 01:28:57.500 there, GW? Let me give you, let me have a look 01:28:57.500 --> 01:29:00.840 at that. Ooh, what's this? At the end of the 01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:02.840 day, we're just comparing old models to new models, 01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:06.300 so it depends what you want. All right. charm 01:29:06.300 --> 01:29:08.539 and uniqueness. The new models are all sleek 01:29:08.539 --> 01:29:11.939 and fancy. That being said, Cathay kind of came 01:29:11.939 --> 01:29:15.640 in swinging on the modeling front. Very true, 01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:19.840 actually. Even the new old world stuff, like 01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:24.699 the new Warriors of Chaos, that's good. That's 01:29:24.699 --> 01:29:27.340 pretty real. Fantasy models are almost always 01:29:27.340 --> 01:29:32.420 more unique. I will say... Pardon me. Sorry, 01:29:32.500 --> 01:29:36.220 you go ahead. I think I probably prefer fantasy 01:29:36.220 --> 01:29:40.579 models overall compared to 4K. There's something 01:29:40.579 --> 01:29:43.819 that in some ways is almost like, some people 01:29:43.819 --> 01:29:45.399 might say it's a downside, but something I really 01:29:45.399 --> 01:29:49.560 appreciate about fantasy is that the basic models 01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:52.699 all look very similar and they fit together properly 01:29:52.699 --> 01:29:55.500 and they're not very outlandish. Even a lot of 01:29:55.500 --> 01:29:59.180 4K stuff, and depending on the arm, all of it 01:29:59.180 --> 01:30:01.260 is very gaudy and heavily detailed, which is 01:30:01.260 --> 01:30:04.630 the point to some extent. It feels like I can 01:30:04.630 --> 01:30:08.489 appreciate a fantasy like army put together more 01:30:08.489 --> 01:30:11.810 because for one, it's much more easier to tell 01:30:11.810 --> 01:30:14.250 who's important. Like the basic empire spearman 01:30:14.250 --> 01:30:16.930 is a dude with a breastplate and some brightly 01:30:16.930 --> 01:30:20.630 colored, you know, trousers underneath. Whereas 01:30:20.630 --> 01:30:22.649 then, you know, the demographic knives are the 01:30:22.649 --> 01:30:24.329 ones where, you know, all the details put in 01:30:24.329 --> 01:30:26.270 because they're not random schmuck with spear. 01:30:26.590 --> 01:30:29.130 Like even some of the guard minis, which again, 01:30:29.170 --> 01:30:31.289 they're just random guys. Like there's a lot 01:30:31.289 --> 01:30:35.079 going on in a Kriegsman mini. There's like a 01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:37.600 lot of stuff with like all of that. Whereas like, 01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:41.100 you know, the nature of rank and flank, I feel 01:30:41.100 --> 01:30:43.739 like everything fits together much more effectively. 01:30:43.899 --> 01:30:48.460 Like a big scale fantasy army, I feel hits differently 01:30:48.460 --> 01:30:52.159 to like an equivalent point 40K army because 01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:56.020 the basing and like the design of everything 01:30:56.020 --> 01:30:58.800 in fantasy feels much more designed to fit alongside 01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:03.180 each other. Whereas in 40K, the models. feel 01:31:03.180 --> 01:31:05.380 much more designed as to be their own thing, 01:31:05.539 --> 01:31:09.220 which has some positives, but this is an army 01:31:09.220 --> 01:31:12.819 game. At the end of the day, it's a war game. 01:31:13.060 --> 01:31:15.800 And when the army's put together in fantasy with 01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:18.880 those models, even the older models, and let's 01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:21.119 be honest, the fantasy ones are by and large 01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:23.199 much more dated than 40K. I'm not going to pretend 01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:26.859 they aren't. But when a good old world or fantasy 01:31:26.859 --> 01:31:28.760 army's put together, I feel like it looks a lot 01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:32.810 more impressive than... 50 different space marines 01:31:32.810 --> 01:31:35.710 that are either overly detailed or look identical. 01:31:36.149 --> 01:31:39.649 A guard regiment wouldn't have that problem. 01:31:39.890 --> 01:31:41.890 A Necron regiment wouldn't have that problem. 01:31:42.970 --> 01:31:45.310 Tau is a bit trickier because they've got all 01:31:45.310 --> 01:31:47.810 the mech suits, but that's a very space marine 01:31:47.810 --> 01:31:53.970 issue. Even some of the guard stuff, like I said, 01:31:53.989 --> 01:31:56.710 like Krieg, there's so much going on. And some 01:31:56.710 --> 01:31:59.550 of it is like, it's a, it's a basing thing, but 01:31:59.550 --> 01:32:01.250 the basing is part of the models. Everything 01:32:01.250 --> 01:32:04.250 fits together just physically much better in 01:32:04.250 --> 01:32:06.550 fantasy because it's a rank and flank game. Everything's 01:32:06.550 --> 01:32:09.170 designed to be put in blocks of formations and 01:32:09.170 --> 01:32:12.989 move forward. 40K is not really designed. This 01:32:12.989 --> 01:32:15.409 is at a certain point, definitely a personal 01:32:15.409 --> 01:32:17.409 preference thing. I will, I will be fully honest, 01:32:17.449 --> 01:32:20.250 but I just, to me, the rank and flank and the 01:32:20.250 --> 01:32:22.210 way everything fits properly together because 01:32:22.210 --> 01:32:25.640 of the bases and the design of the game. A fantasy 01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:29.220 army looks much more impressive than a 40k one. 01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:32.039 And also because of the way a lot of fantasy 01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:35.340 armies are built, they look vastly different. 01:32:35.439 --> 01:32:37.560 40k, and it's something Age of Sigmar is doing 01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:39.960 too. I feel like it's been leading more and more 01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:44.100 into the army has the theme and it's all going 01:32:44.100 --> 01:32:50.100 to be the same. Not entirely. Armies like Julius's 01:32:50.100 --> 01:32:55.460 Lord of Skulls. yeah or them or like knight armies 01:32:55.460 --> 01:32:58.119 are quite impressive to like look at and obviously 01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:00.380 you'll have like there's no like named obviously 01:33:00.380 --> 01:33:03.659 like canis rex is the only one who's like a named 01:33:03.659 --> 01:33:06.859 knight character for a model please you're forgetting 01:33:06.859 --> 01:33:10.880 lord horum canorum oh he's not got five million 01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:14.260 words i yeah i know i know what you mean the 01:33:14.260 --> 01:33:19.520 blade of koto wielder of the heraldic flame yeah 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:27.279 all those ones speaks to me. I, too, like Dynasty 01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:30.180 Warriors. It's a great series. I do. With a dragon. 01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:33.840 I get a dragon, lady. House of the Dragon? I 01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:36.340 haven't seen it. The Ogre Tribe's called to me. 01:33:36.340 --> 01:33:40.039 My people. I would say, like, if we're talking 01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:42.119 about Age of Sigmar, it might be a slightly different 01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:45.460 story, but, I mean, 40k does have some pretty 01:33:45.460 --> 01:33:49.159 incredible stuff, though. I don't know if you 01:33:49.159 --> 01:33:51.970 get the equivalent I mean, the new Chaos Dragon 01:33:51.970 --> 01:33:55.949 is pretty ridiculous. That's pretty good. But 01:33:55.949 --> 01:33:58.369 40k is like, you know, all the demon Primark 01:33:58.369 --> 01:34:01.510 models, even if it's like little guys, you know, 01:34:01.529 --> 01:34:04.449 like all the new Eldar refresh on their range 01:34:04.449 --> 01:34:07.189 looks pretty sweet. All the new Phoenix Lords 01:34:07.189 --> 01:34:10.409 are done really well. When they pull off 40k 01:34:10.409 --> 01:34:13.770 well, like it's, I think they really know what 01:34:13.770 --> 01:34:15.609 they're doing when they hit their stride with 01:34:15.609 --> 01:34:17.670 it. Like they understand the brief quite well. 01:34:18.380 --> 01:34:21.760 uh fantasy again like i think it it might be 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:25.220 like nostalgia talking a lot but the nostalgia 01:34:25.220 --> 01:34:27.399 does hit quite hard with some of the stuff but 01:34:27.399 --> 01:34:30.939 then other ones i'm i mean like probably 40k 01:34:30.939 --> 01:34:33.619 as well like some stuff i'm very meh on i couldn't 01:34:33.619 --> 01:34:37.000 leagues of votan could honestly disappear tomorrow 01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:38.960 and i'm not sure anyone would notice for three 01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:41.699 days bro can't go one stream without talking 01:34:41.699 --> 01:34:45.020 about leagues of votan it's such a missed opportunity 01:34:45.020 --> 01:34:52.399 they're so We know how. Oh, we know. You agreed 01:34:52.399 --> 01:34:56.000 with me, Andy, last time. I know, I know. We've 01:34:56.000 --> 01:35:01.899 already shat on them enough. Even when I was 01:35:01.899 --> 01:35:05.119 a younger kid, I liked fantasy stuff more than 01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:07.220 40k at the time as well, I'm pretty sure. Although 01:35:07.220 --> 01:35:10.380 I played more 40k than fantasy. Something about 01:35:10.380 --> 01:35:12.800 the fantasy models is just different. It's just 01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:17.289 different, as they say. I liked it. And I also 01:35:17.289 --> 01:35:18.949 like looking through the Fantasy Army books a 01:35:18.949 --> 01:35:22.170 lot more than looking through a 40k codex. Wow. 01:35:23.729 --> 01:35:27.710 Yeah. I think though, we say, I would say that 01:35:27.710 --> 01:35:32.010 overall, if you guys had to choose 40k or fantasy, 01:35:32.069 --> 01:35:34.210 Eli, you'd say fantasy. I'm pretty sure Colin 01:35:34.210 --> 01:35:37.489 doesn't even need to be asked. Nah. And are you 01:35:37.489 --> 01:35:41.020 a 40k one? I don't know. I don't read any of 01:35:41.020 --> 01:35:43.819 the fancy stuff, to be honest. The models, just 01:35:43.819 --> 01:35:46.579 the models. Oh, the models. Again, I don't mind 01:35:46.579 --> 01:35:49.079 the models. But again, I like the Space Marine 01:35:49.079 --> 01:35:52.279 stuff. I like the armored vehicles. I like the 01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:54.819 Knights. I like the Mechanicus stuff. I like 01:35:54.819 --> 01:35:58.479 the variety. I like how 40K looks. And I don't 01:35:58.479 --> 01:36:01.739 say that Warhammer fancy minis don't look good, 01:36:01.779 --> 01:36:03.760 especially their Age of Sigmar lines. Some of 01:36:03.760 --> 01:36:05.359 the stuff they come out of there is like whack. 01:36:07.369 --> 01:36:12.449 Again, I just like 40k more. I'm more of a sci 01:36:12.449 --> 01:36:16.390 -fi fan than fantasy, I suppose. I like both. 01:36:17.109 --> 01:36:22.750 I think I like fantasy models more overall. It 01:36:22.750 --> 01:36:24.689 doesn't necessarily mean I like fantasy more 01:36:24.689 --> 01:36:26.909 overall, but it's really hard to choose something 01:36:26.909 --> 01:36:28.949 like that. Wow, we actually had some reasonable 01:36:28.949 --> 01:36:33.859 takes. With that, though... we should uh there's 01:36:33.859 --> 01:36:36.699 a last few of the uh donations before we get 01:36:36.699 --> 01:36:39.979 on to yep the miniature of the week let's start 01:36:39.979 --> 01:36:43.720 us off with horus axamog uh colin 100 farting 01:36:43.720 --> 01:36:46.380 loads for tarik crazy stuff what do you mean 01:36:46.380 --> 01:36:49.239 yeah that's that's evil we got to put this man 01:36:49.239 --> 01:36:51.880 in the contraption that bros loses a goose down 01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:57.920 there hot dog through a tunnel he's wet as gripper 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:01.020 for two canadian i get the impression how as 01:37:01.020 --> 01:37:05.460 an odor kink Colin is blank. I actually have 01:37:05.460 --> 01:37:08.439 the opposite. I hate bad smells. Yeah, no, I 01:37:08.439 --> 01:37:13.220 don't. Unless you stink good. God, take that 01:37:13.220 --> 01:37:16.840 back. I hate that. I fucking hate that. It's 01:37:16.840 --> 01:37:20.479 disgusting. USA, him and Mike and people are 01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:23.199 arguing about if Snorri is washed or not, basically. 01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:26.039 I think you're the $5 silence, Mike. Snorri knows 01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:34.109 better as my top guy. Snorri's the goat. Simon 01:37:34.109 --> 01:37:36.609 Jeffy, does 40k have Boingob though? It doesn't. 01:37:36.890 --> 01:37:39.729 Fantasy doesn't. Fantasy also doesn't have Boingob. 01:37:40.350 --> 01:37:44.529 But they had Boingob. That was in Age of Sigmar. 01:37:44.770 --> 01:37:53.710 Yeah. Robert Smith YM5QX Last the Cypher Adric 01:37:53.710 --> 01:37:57.909 video had a dedicated section for Hal talking 01:37:57.909 --> 01:38:00.329 about his models. I couldn't help but buckle. 01:38:00.569 --> 01:38:02.729 That is actually not true. Bricky, they asked 01:38:02.729 --> 01:38:07.029 me. I think the context is DK has a thousand 01:38:07.029 --> 01:38:10.369 sons. I asked him if he had done any more painting 01:38:10.369 --> 01:38:12.489 on them. He's not touched them for like three 01:38:12.489 --> 01:38:15.670 years or something. Kill this man. And then Bricky 01:38:15.670 --> 01:38:17.850 asked me if I painted it by models, and I said 01:38:17.850 --> 01:38:19.670 I finished painting my thousands. Oh, yes, here 01:38:19.670 --> 01:38:23.109 you go. Look at my Magnus red. In fact, Magnus 01:38:23.109 --> 01:38:25.390 is not here, actually. Son of a bitch. It could 01:38:25.390 --> 01:38:28.449 be worse. I did an episode of Dead Space for 01:38:28.449 --> 01:38:30.409 Acceptable Losses, and I had to go take a piss, 01:38:30.470 --> 01:38:32.170 and they kept that in. They forgot to delete 01:38:32.170 --> 01:38:38.130 it. I'm like, whoops. Oh, well. Big one. Thank 01:38:38.130 --> 01:38:42.380 you very much. Thank you for the 50 bucks. First 01:38:42.380 --> 01:38:44.140 time super chatting you guys or anyone. Well, 01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:46.079 thank you very much. Thank you. Watch you all 01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:47.739 in some form or another. So thanks for all the 01:38:47.739 --> 01:38:49.380 great entertainment fellows. Of course. Thank 01:38:49.380 --> 01:38:51.399 you for being here. Thank you. Love both settings 01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:53.000 because there were dwarfs in both and they are 01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:55.699 the best. Don't care what you say. Hail. Hail. 01:38:56.579 --> 01:38:58.380 Hailey. Thank you very much. Dwarves. They're 01:38:58.380 --> 01:39:02.239 not dwarves. They're squats and 40K. They're 01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:03.899 like imitating. They're not even squats anymore. 01:39:04.039 --> 01:39:08.279 Diet dwarves. We're cooler when they were squats. 01:39:08.420 --> 01:39:11.159 They had funny American motorcycle gang culture. 01:39:12.199 --> 01:39:17.119 monte scarf a 10 australian i kind of want gilliman 01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:19.279 to meet kane and share a drink with him as they 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:21.399 both vent about the idiots they have to deal 01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:25.479 with every day kate will be quietly uh shut shutting 01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:28.119 himself the whole time i think kane couldn't 01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:30.100 muster a word in front of gilliman because he'd 01:39:30.100 --> 01:39:32.300 be afraid he would see him for the fraud that 01:39:32.300 --> 01:39:38.259 he thinks he is yeah imposter syndrome Biggest 01:39:38.259 --> 01:39:41.600 squigging. I love saying that name. Two bucks. 01:39:42.079 --> 01:39:45.319 New WC Mogmost of 40k. Those new bottles are 01:39:45.319 --> 01:39:50.220 so good. They do. This is a pretty good point. 01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:55.140 Voidy Don't Eat. Thank you for $38 .48. $5. I 01:39:55.140 --> 01:39:57.920 like 40k because I find aliens hot. Is that a 01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:04.100 picture of Orange? That is Orange Ben Shapiro. 01:40:04.659 --> 01:40:11.380 I didn't know we had Commander Shepard donating 01:40:11.380 --> 01:40:13.840 to us. I was going to say, you should check out 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:19.000 Mass Effect. You'd love Mass Effect. But not 01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:20.859 the Krogan, which I think is a crime. Oh, the 01:40:20.859 --> 01:40:22.520 Krogans, they have a quad. Why can't you bang 01:40:22.520 --> 01:40:28.039 the Krogans? Four balls. Big Micah. Big Micah. 01:40:29.060 --> 01:40:33.119 Big Micah's HC, I'll say. Fortige has tanks and 01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:36.060 never had the end times win. They have steam 01:40:36.060 --> 01:40:40.539 tanks. There are tanks. The tanks part is just 01:40:40.539 --> 01:40:42.840 wrong. The end times is just kind of unfortunate. 01:40:43.220 --> 01:40:45.840 Fantasy coming out was Leonardo da Vinci's plans 01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:47.579 for the first tank. He's like, does it work? 01:40:48.460 --> 01:40:51.020 There's also the Doomwheel, which is not quite 01:40:51.020 --> 01:40:53.359 a tank, but by god is it more interesting. It's 01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:56.020 funny. It's kind of weird that wars don't have 01:40:56.020 --> 01:40:58.880 a steam tank equivalent. They got freaking gyrocopters. 01:40:58.899 --> 01:41:00.279 You'd think they'd have some kind of tank thing. 01:41:00.819 --> 01:41:03.460 The Marienburg steam tank has just hit second 01:41:03.460 --> 01:41:07.600 end time, sir. The big land boat. Spooky. You 01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:09.920 can see it, man. Spooky spooky. For two bucks. 01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:13.199 Wars of Chaos, most iconic Warhammer models, 01:41:13.380 --> 01:41:17.279 period. That is so true. Well, have you ever 01:41:17.279 --> 01:41:20.979 seen a Tau battle suit? They're pretty iconic. 01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:25.579 The Tau need a refresh. Don't patronize me. Don't 01:41:25.579 --> 01:41:28.500 patronize. No, they don't. Why don't you show 01:41:28.500 --> 01:41:31.159 us your models? That's fine. I meant my in -laws, 01:41:31.279 --> 01:41:33.539 bro. Actually, I have my in -laws there. Oh, 01:41:33.619 --> 01:41:36.359 no, I don't. No, they're at home. I love the 01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:38.479 idea that you have like a stash of minis at your 01:41:38.479 --> 01:41:41.699 in -laws. it's like just in case battles have 01:41:41.699 --> 01:41:44.060 been updated we need to refresh i'm going to 01:41:44.060 --> 01:41:45.800 kill this guy i'm going to fly to uk kill this 01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:47.600 guy i've got the best balls i'm talking about 01:41:47.600 --> 01:42:02.890 cold star face or something Simon Jeffy for $10. 01:42:03.210 --> 01:42:05.449 Warhammer Fantasy has the audacity to give us 01:42:05.449 --> 01:42:08.350 vampire pirates and not give us the ability to 01:42:08.350 --> 01:42:10.750 field them. That is true. Vampire Coast is amazing. 01:42:11.010 --> 01:42:14.430 That is pretty true. Where's Harkon's top guy? 01:42:14.550 --> 01:42:16.170 Luther Harkon's top guy. We haven't seen him 01:42:16.170 --> 01:42:18.630 for a while. That's true. He's not been on my 01:42:18.630 --> 01:42:23.380 end either. Last one here. Fat Ghost Production 01:42:23.380 --> 01:42:26.939 has become a member. Thank you very much. Never 01:42:26.939 --> 01:42:30.579 mind. We don't need to read the next one. Never 01:42:30.579 --> 01:42:35.279 mind. Colin, it's for you. You've given us money. 01:42:35.500 --> 01:42:38.319 You've given us hard -earned cash. Goober404, 01:42:38.439 --> 01:42:41.340 thanks for the £10. Love you guys. Thanks for 01:42:41.340 --> 01:42:43.819 all the good content. You're very welcome. Also, 01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:47.260 Colin, I'm ready to go again. Wow. It took him 01:42:47.260 --> 01:42:49.739 20 minutes to get back up. Wow. Pretty good recognition. 01:42:50.220 --> 01:42:52.460 With that being said, though, guys, we have, 01:42:52.579 --> 01:42:56.399 once again, the mini of the week is back. And 01:42:56.399 --> 01:42:59.399 we've chosen a little selection for you guys 01:42:59.399 --> 01:43:02.979 here. So I'm going to start with, I believe this 01:43:02.979 --> 01:43:06.800 was Colin's pick from Liv. That's pretty cool. 01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:11.199 He's a rude priest. Yeah, it's Space Wolf. They 01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:13.930 painted for a friend, which, you know. I don't 01:43:13.930 --> 01:43:15.850 like the wolves, but I think it's a cool paint 01:43:15.850 --> 01:43:19.449 job. I like the axe. You know, it's for a pal. 01:43:19.649 --> 01:43:22.390 I can never hate something, you know. Especially 01:43:22.390 --> 01:43:25.210 that painted a gift for a friend. Who's that 01:43:25.210 --> 01:43:31.729 by? Liv. Yeah, thanks, man. Very sweet. I want 01:43:31.729 --> 01:43:35.869 to live. The next one, was this your one, Eli? 01:43:36.310 --> 01:43:38.949 I don't know if we've featured this before. This 01:43:38.949 --> 01:43:43.000 is Spooky Kabuki's Usharan. bro's always posting 01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:45.699 up his fancy ad models i need to get him to paint 01:43:45.699 --> 01:43:47.899 showing off about with all those minis i'm like 01:43:47.899 --> 01:43:51.000 oh you got like here's seven like oh spooky we 01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:53.699 can only pick one there's nothing to say other 01:43:53.699 --> 01:43:56.680 than uh it's freaking usheran and it looks very 01:43:56.680 --> 01:43:59.500 good i don't know what else to tell you it's 01:43:59.500 --> 01:44:01.220 it's uh better than anything i could ever do 01:44:01.220 --> 01:44:03.239 that's for sure the blood effects be going crazy 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:07.340 down there look at him i gave him the magna sword 01:44:07.340 --> 01:44:11.640 we are twins This model is so good, by the way. 01:44:11.779 --> 01:44:15.119 With your mouth closed, mate. I wish there was 01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:19.600 something I could think of to use this guy as 01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:22.739 in my 40k or something. Make him a demon prince. 01:44:23.340 --> 01:44:28.119 He's my demon prince. Get him out of here. Get 01:44:28.119 --> 01:44:32.239 out of here. This isn't your time to shine, Hal. 01:44:32.779 --> 01:44:37.039 This is for the community. This one, I believe, 01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:43.100 was this? we have the stick of the stick necrons 01:44:43.100 --> 01:44:47.100 i love this i love this trend this is so it's 01:44:47.100 --> 01:44:50.000 it's annoyingly funny how well the weapons are 01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:55.960 painted as well like it's like the horse where 01:44:55.960 --> 01:44:57.960 it's being drawn it's cut into frames and it's 01:44:57.960 --> 01:44:59.760 just like yeah it's worse it's like but this 01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:04.000 is like middle yeah yeah yeah oh i like this 01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:06.319 somehow other than funny i like the eyes on the 01:45:06.319 --> 01:45:09.039 belly Does it need much explanation? I think 01:45:09.039 --> 01:45:11.779 this is, I mean, can I just point out it is perfectly 01:45:11.779 --> 01:45:17.720 edge highlighted as well. Yeah. It's just funny. 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:21.380 That's awesome. I like this. And then my pick 01:45:21.380 --> 01:45:25.479 was from Donkeyman. It's a Skaven Knight. Continuing 01:45:25.479 --> 01:45:29.260 the cool Skaven stuff. Is that Helbrecht? I think 01:45:29.260 --> 01:45:31.220 that is Helbrecht. That's the Helbrecht model. 01:45:31.960 --> 01:45:35.060 Is that a Space Wolf shield with Iron Warriors? 01:45:35.260 --> 01:45:37.430 Is it? that looks like the minute is that like 01:45:37.430 --> 01:45:42.770 the who's the who's the minotaur guy yeah is 01:45:42.770 --> 01:45:46.630 that his shield maybe that's a big shield i think 01:45:46.630 --> 01:45:48.270 it's too it looks too big to be a space wolf 01:45:48.270 --> 01:45:51.489 thing yeah it's just the little holes in it look 01:45:51.489 --> 01:45:53.670 like the uh like honor guards shields they have 01:45:53.670 --> 01:45:56.670 space wars but then it is like they they should 01:45:56.670 --> 01:45:59.149 be like circular is it a headhunter's shield 01:45:59.149 --> 01:46:02.289 it might be a headhunter shield yeah space booster 01:46:02.289 --> 01:46:06.930 yeah but i feel like it's An edge added to it 01:46:06.930 --> 01:46:11.189 or something. That is cool. That makes sense. 01:46:11.710 --> 01:46:14.869 Donkey Man, your army is so cool, man. Yeah, 01:46:14.869 --> 01:46:21.689 I love it. That was our donation. Do you want 01:46:21.689 --> 01:46:24.649 to read this one, Eli? Sure. Justin Pierce, 9611, 01:46:24.850 --> 01:46:27.109 thank you for the $5. AOS has to be included 01:46:27.109 --> 01:46:30.270 with old world slash direct line of plot. Models 01:46:30.270 --> 01:46:32.050 are the most important part, so therefore AOS 01:46:32.050 --> 01:46:37.119 trumps fantasy over 40k. As you wish. I just 01:46:37.119 --> 01:46:40.199 like space marines, okay? I think they're cool. 01:46:40.319 --> 01:46:45.500 They're for better. They're for better. Everything 01:46:45.500 --> 01:46:47.840 the AOS team does, except for the Stormcast, 01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:53.319 is better than the 40k ones. What are we going 01:46:53.319 --> 01:46:55.239 to do with the Stormcast now? Make them silver. 01:46:56.619 --> 01:46:59.479 Okay. That did actually help, to be fair, though. 01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:03.579 I guess with that being said, though, hopefully 01:47:03.579 --> 01:47:08.770 we've... worked out uh if fantasy or 40k is better 01:47:08.770 --> 01:47:10.869 than the other one or at least people had some 01:47:10.869 --> 01:47:12.989 opinions on it uh thank you guys for listening 01:47:12.989 --> 01:47:15.189 for watching uh thank you all the donations this 01:47:15.189 --> 01:47:17.109 stream is very generous of you guys i really 01:47:17.109 --> 01:47:19.729 really appreciate it thank you we gave you a 01:47:19.729 --> 01:47:22.470 good some good entertainment a good episode you 01:47:22.470 --> 01:47:24.270 guys entertain us a lot and we really appreciate 01:47:24.270 --> 01:47:26.760 you guys we should mention that we will not be 01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:29.180 here next week, but we do have something already 01:47:29.180 --> 01:47:33.359 planned so A stalwart series is coming back from 01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:36.140 from retirement for a bit And uh, you'll be able 01:47:36.140 --> 01:47:38.560 to enjoy our dulcet tones regardless But we won't 01:47:38.560 --> 01:47:39.840 be here next week for the week after we should 01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:43.460 be back to our 9 p .m GMt slot I believe so now 01:47:43.460 --> 01:47:45.260 that eli's back from japan colin's back from 01:47:45.260 --> 01:47:47.720 the uk. We're all together five in the morning 01:47:47.720 --> 01:47:55.760 anymore Thank you guys for listening, for watching, 01:47:55.840 --> 01:47:57.859 and we'll see you guys all in the next one. Peace. 01:47:58.699 --> 01:48:01.720 Do you want to discord? Check it out. It's cool. 01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:02.479 Bye.