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Hello ladies and gentlemen boys and girls and

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welcome to law crimes and today we actually have

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a bit of a An interesting episode in that this

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is actually a tribute episode We were talking

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about what we could do this week and unfortunately,

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we don't have Eli with us because of the time

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zones shenanigans, but Earlier this week. We

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did learn that John Blanche passed away In arguably,

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I think the most influential person concerning

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warhammer 40k for sure and also a large part

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of fantasy If not, like one of the biggest for

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that as well So we thought what better episode

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to do this week than a tribute to john blanche

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and talking about his story His style and his

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impact on the hobby that if john wasn't a thing

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in the hobby None of us would be here. None of

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us creating content for warhammer on youtube

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but also no one watching it in the first place.

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Um, so I don't think it's, it's, we can't really

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overstate how important John was to the hobby

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in that regard. Yeah. Uh, as always guys, as

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I go, no means a stretch to say he's, he's the

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reason. Yeah. Uh, we say thank you guys for obviously

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tuning into, uh, that same large concept and

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law crimes. Uh, obviously if you guys are listening

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and you Uh, want to catch the live episodes where

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we have all the donations, obviously, uh, that's

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still on our, uh, discourse. If you want to see

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that, you know, untrimmed, unedited, but then

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for obviously the guys who want to watch it later

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without that, obviously that's just on YouTube.

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Uh, but do go check out our discord. If you want

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to see that version, obviously we're on Spotify

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and all that good stuff. Uh, yeah. So today is

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a, we wanted to build this up this story before

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we get to, uh, we're going to talk through some

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of John's. like work some of his, particularly

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with presents and favorites later as well. I'm

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gonna talk about his story. We also want to build

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up the story about the genre itself of Grimdark,

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because he's obviously a massive influence on

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not just that for Warhammer, but obviously other

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things, you know, modern day Trench Crusade and

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other, you know, tabletop games are inspired

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by that same genre, which he's a major contributor

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to. So we thought it might be good to actually

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kind of Before we say he inspired a lot and was

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a major influence in Grimdark, what are we talking

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about when we mention what is Grimdark? Because

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obviously it's a very undefinable topic. It's

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a feeling, it's a genre of science fiction, it's

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fantasy, and it's also something we obviously

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are all you know, sort of bound together and

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interested in because we've all come together

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to enjoy this, you know, horrible, horrible setting,

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if it's fantasy, or 40k. I did have a small section

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because people have tried to define grimdark.

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The best one I can find is someone saying, where

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nobody is honorable, and might is right. Because

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it can, it can again, it can be fantasy, it can

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be science fiction, it can be other types of

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genres. I mean, there's other inspirations like

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there's people talk about like Batman comics

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are known to have like a era where it was a bit

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more like gritty and dirty. There's other you

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know, is beyond Warhammer this but starting with

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Grimdark, as we see, for people who are audio

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listeners only, we do have a few examples of

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John Blanch's work throughout this episode that

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we will obviously more compile towards the end.

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But we have some of the iconic pieces that he

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has created over the years. So if you do want

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to have a quick check in on certain pieces of

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the iconic one we have on screen now is the Emperor

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one, which is that everyone's favorite? I gotta

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be honest, it's my favorite. It's I don't know

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if it's I mean, it's obviously up there. It's

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definitely the most iconic. Oh, I'd say it's

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definitely the most iconic. I think even just

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people with a I'll try our best to describe it

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if you're just an audio listener. But it is an

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iconic piece and it should be looked at if you'd

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have time, which is it is the Emperor of mankind

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is a withering husk of a being is a skeleton

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slash man in desiccated robe sitting on a throne

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that looks to be half broken, half filled with

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disgusting wrenches, blood vials and machines

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that you don't know where it either begins or

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ends with the figure on the throne. There is

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parchment that is faded with script that he looks

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to have worn away. There is iconography of skulls

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of eagles of other Again, like, you know, symbols

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of death, of domination, as we were saying, might

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is right. And it's also an example of this is

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supposedly the god emperor of mankind, the one

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who was like, this is your god, and it looks

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like a, you know, tortured soul in very muted

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tones of, you know, no, the bright colors that

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are on this image are all the blood to show why

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is why is the crypt looking back at me is the

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crypt is alive. Ah, don't like it. Yeah, so Grim

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Dar did kind of have its origins more, well,

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it started as a offshoot from something which

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is called the Gothic genre. So if anyone thinks

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of examples, which are like Mary Shelley's like

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Dracula, you have the offshoots of that, which

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is like H .P. Lovecraft's work, lots of other,

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you know, incredibly famous pieces kind of embrace

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what's like a macabre influence. So if you're

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thinking of know, like the classic, you know,

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it's the rundown, spiky church in the rain kind

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of, you know, that's like what you kind of think

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of as gothic. And gothic was also a bit of a

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different take on things at the time, whereas

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this is, I guess this is very early, sometimes

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it could be late, early 20th century, I believe

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it might be, as I will check, but the whole point

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of gothic was to essentially be not happy -clappy.

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It was to be not overly romanticized, like, oh,

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and everything worked out in the end, the knight

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and the maiden sort of thing. This was things

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that are dealing with science going wrong, death,

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other basically taboo subjects. And Grimdark

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would sort of be more of an offshoot from that.

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And even what we will speak about with things

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that would go on to be inspirations for John's

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own kind of journey slash, you know, you think

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about when he was probably quite young, the works

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at the time was like the main staple would have

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been Tolkein's work. So classic Lord of the Rings,

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The Hobbit, and Grimdark kind of has a origin

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place that sputes off of what is Tolkein's, like

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everything. I mean, everything comes back to

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Tolkein. kind of doesn't it really in some sense,

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fantasy and whatnot that kind of talk? Yeah,

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it usually does. It's eventually, basically,

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and obviously, Warhammer fantasy, because Warhammer

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likes to, in quotes, borrow pieces from other

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people. So round about the time of we're talking,

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you know, the release of Tolkien's work, this

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will be like, you know, 46, you know, 40, 50s,

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60s, a lot of I found the fantasy genre itself

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is basically Lord of the Rings and it's just

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the various copies from that and it's a very

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black and white world so if you think of there's

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obviously you know there's Aragorn there's Gandalf

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there's all the characters there's Frodo like

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all of these characters in this uh you know in

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Middle -earth. Middle -earth itself is divided

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in what's called like a very black and white

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um yeah like a black and white take of what is

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like good and evil there's the evil which is

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Sauron the orcs they are you know head to toe

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in, you know, almost again, like kind of sharp

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pointed armor dark colors always wearing in God

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in black, or shades of you know, like, you know,

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crimson and other things like domineering colors

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that are designed to scream at you the viewer

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like this is very obviously the bad guy and all

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the noble figures are in either like happy things

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which are like greens they're in you know Gandalf

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the Grey becomes Gandalf the White although ironically

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Saruman is obviously not a good character but

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Gandalf's transformation is obviously like a

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big obviously Tolkien himself being a very strong

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Catholic man we kind of see where you know, like

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the divide is very obvious. And even when they're

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not like it makes any bad or, you know, anything

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that's a problem with that. But his world was

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very easy to understand, like which was the good

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side and which is the bad side. And grimdark

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becomes an offshoot because it's like with many

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of his works, it becomes shades of gray. You'll

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notice even in the work itself of John's you

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know, drawings, there's not usually many like

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saturation or stark color like that shows or

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even necessarily color choices that bring like

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senses of happiness, you know, there's no like,

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there's no nice garden meadows, there's no, you

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know, overarching, you know, what was considered

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royal colors, which are like purples and blues

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things that, you know, showed like nobility or

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anything like that. There's a very obvious choice

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about why these things are not present within

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Grim Dark's work, because some people said quite

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rightly, maybe, that the world is not so easily

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black and white. A regular person is very much,

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your whole life is pouring more of a shade of

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gray in terms of most people are not good people.

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They're just people. Most people are not bad

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people. They're just some people who make bad

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choices or good choices all the time. And so

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out of this You know, I guess this is post World

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War Two, when it's, as I said, I'm not getting,

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we're not going like, you know, I'm gonna get

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political. But in, in an era where like, World

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War One and World War Two seem very, like, you

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know, there's the Allies, and then there's the

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Axis, as in like, there's very obviously two

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teams. And then you kind of get into an era,

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which is the Cold War. And then there are like,

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things which are not so obvious, you know, CIA,

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CIA, you know, MK Ultra, you know, we have things

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which are, my CIA hand is going to start watching

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me now. But there's things which become more

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blurred lines, shall we say. And this starts

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to reflect in art, which obviously becomes, well,

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it starts coalescing in something which is a

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bit more grim dark. And obviously, And as well,

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like, you can imagine if you're someone who's

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growing up in the 60s or the 70s, typically,

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the worst thing you could possibly imagine is,

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well, within living memory, a grim dark future

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where a bloody fascist regime sticks, you know,

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gives a base into a god emperor says like, the

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idea is like, in Grimdart, the worst thing they

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could imagine was probably inspired by the stories

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that they lived or the parents generation. I'm

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someone who had a grandparent who was in World

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War II, so you can hear the stories. Moving on

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from that stuff though. I guess this is a cool

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part to ask you guys. Are you guys familiar with

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things like Paradise Lost and Dune a little bit?

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get the, because obviously there's a thing, a

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question I'll pose to you here, which is why

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is it like, even in the modern sense, like Tolkien's

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work can sometimes be misconstrued or like, people

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don't know, like, you know, this is my, our side

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is the good guys or our side is the, you know,

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that side is the bad guys. Yet why was that not

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really possible with things like Dune or like,

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I guess like Paradise Lost or anything like that?

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Why do you think that didn't have the same problem?

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I mean, I presume for Paradise Lost, it's a lot

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easier because it's someone making a deal with

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the devil. Hang on. Hang on. Wait. Never mind.

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I was thinking of Faust. Well, that one's still

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more about the devil. So it's easier to say the

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devil's a bad guy in general or not perfect.

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because you know the devil but like dune has

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didn't have a problem of being misconstrued like

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historically you know i mean yeah it wasn't taken

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up do you have a theory as to why are you familiar

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with dune yeah why do you think it wasn't actually

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seen having that problem but why do you think

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dune didn't have that kind of issue do you know

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i mean i think some of it might just honestly

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be appearance It's I mean It was obviously a

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book first before it was a movie, but I it's

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I don't know it's presented as Not clean and

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shiny there and run down like, you know sand

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mining equipment on a backwater shithole Plugging

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your brain into a computer because you hate computers

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and so you do a load of drugs to see the future

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and plot navigational charts is not the ideal

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clean science fiction, which I imagine helps

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people be more aware of the tone. I think there's

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also like an element of, I have not watched the

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Dune stuff, I'm afraid. I'm not really anywhere

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acquainted with Dune, but I assume there's an

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implication in that work of, oh, it's all nice

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being like, these are the good guys, these are

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the bad guys. When you have water, when you have

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like, oh, there's like all these things in the

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world that like... It's difficult to be a bad

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person considering all the nice things you have

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and then do and it's like, yeah We need to like

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fight for water and resources and like we're

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burning to death and like the grim realities

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of some settings is just that oh the reason the

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people are bad is because of circumstance the

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reason is because It's not it's easy to be a

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nice person when you grow up in the shire Where

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it's all like, ah, everyone's got cider and picnics

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and green grass and sunny days lovely And then

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it's like someone in Dune with the tube up their

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nose like, I need a glass of water. Like, yeah,

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it's a bit of a bit of a juxtaposition. And I

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think with like, because obviously, when we get

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more towards John's like own story, in a later

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section of this episode, you kind of see like,

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a lot of these newer things, particularly ones

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like Dune and other sort of similar genre style,

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genre breaking style works. Like these obviously

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come about at the time and these are the ones

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that maybe perhaps go on to inspire much of his

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own work. But particularly obviously Dune being

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an inspiration for Warhammer. This one copied

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another homework, thanks Warhammer. But the idea

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was like these worlds are not so squeaky clean.

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And in fact, you know, people maybe make choices

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that are quite dark and they're not always a

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bad person, but they can go down dark paths.

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And it's also, as I was mentioning it briefly

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throughout, the inversion of the mythos. And

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when it comes to John's work, this is a heavy

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inversion of what is also the art style of the

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previous decades, which was particularly a lot

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of things that are post -World War II as well.

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A lot of things are heroic and, I guess, almost

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like propaganda in some way. During World War

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I, they famously had, we'll have just a good

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old time and we'll storm a thing. And then when

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you get to the trenches, it was actually horrific.

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So a lot of this is a... I think the point is

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to be a deviation from... the fantasy that people

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were telling you. What's cool with John's work

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is that it becomes basically mythology again.

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With the opportunity of working on things like

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Warhammer, Warhammer is itself supposed to be

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you're in the middle of a mythology story, like

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you're in the middle of a Hercules, or you're

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in the middle of something else, which is a grand

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adventure, but where people are It's essentially

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like we're the living, like the emperor and the

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horrors, you know, horrors heresy and these other

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things. They were just titles until John's work

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would then flesh them out into the pieces that

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had to be. And I like with other things that

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are mythology, they are beyond the, you know,

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they go beyond what like the norm, essentially,

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they want to be almost like living kind of dynamic

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stories that are so beyond a normal person. And

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Other people obviously have got on Game of Thrones

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as an example of fantasy genre, which is a bit

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more grimdark inspired. And that's the case of

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George RR Martin specifically took Lord of the

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Rings and said, OK, let's tackle some of the

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tropes of that particular work with a more realistic

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lens. And so he took like, you know, Let's take

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some of the characters. I Aragorn but make it

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Jon Snow and it's like yeah, it's basically an

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ancillary It's like yes the same thing. But what

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if we had it? So it's like, oh there are people

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who will murder him and there'll be people who

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get in the way of him and And don't play by the

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rules and aren't gonna be virtuous for the sake

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of being virtuous And I think that's why people

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latched onto it in like modern media the same

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way that things like the boys critique the the

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DC Comics stuff and we have all these things

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that go, well, what if we if we took a more critical

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eye at this work and, and, and sanded away some

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of the gleam, shall we say. And it's a good point

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to mention, like, when Warhammer is evolving,

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like, much of this is not particularly with John's

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work, it's not that it's also something that,

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you know, the Warhammer is not necessarily inspiring

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John's work, but John's work is inspiring Warhammer

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itself. Examples, obviously, when we see that,

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you know, the depiction of what is a knight,

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you know, that idea is sometimes, you know, it's

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this shiny, you know, like, you know, in unblemished,

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just plain metal thing which has like nice heraldry.

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But then with John's work, it even takes it to

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the point where like You know, when I was obviously

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the example we have on screen at the moment,

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which I'll describe people is the classic Terminator

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play, which is for the Blood Angels chapter.

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And the idea is like, it's almost that essence

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of like, you know, the perfect, you know, nice

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armor is like perfectly sculpted human form in

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some sense. But this is almost like bulbous.

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It's chunky. It's not necessarily perfect human

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proportion, but it's designed to get across the

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idea of like, this is a you know this is something

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this is a weapon and it's brutal and it's designed

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to again like earlier not just you know win but

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dominate and also the idea is I think particularly

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when you look at John's work you get a hint maybe

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of like someone else who kind of defined the

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genre which is HR Geiger who would then be his

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artwork goes on to inspire things like alien.

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Another classic things like that. It was taking

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what was the idea of the perfect human form and

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twisting it and, you know, changing its silhouette.

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So things like, you know, spikes, cables, armor

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that's chunky, you know, big, it's not, again,

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it's all like, particularly with these iconic

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works on things like we have on screen, like,

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you know, parts of the Mechanicum, they're designed

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to be, it goes all the way back to things like

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- Yeah, but initially it goes all the way back

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to things that are gothic because what was making

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something gothic was that it was human, but like

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slightly twisted. So like that's why Dracula,

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Dracula is scary because it's a, you know, we

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were obsessed with vampires because it's a human,

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but it's also a monster. So again, like even

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in music, his work, the idea is like, there's,

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there's always supposed to be like a human beneath

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it. But the idea is it's horrific because it's

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transformed into something that's like almost

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meant to be the worst version of itself. And

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I would say particularly with John's work in

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itself, it gets across like the tone of grimdark

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so well, which is the rejection of the perfect

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black and white, you know, good and bad. It's

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the inverse. Like when you look at a lot of his

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work, you are supposed to, I think, walk away

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with this feeling of like, you don't know if

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that's the good guy. Like, when I look at his

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work, I don't think that's the hero of the story.

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That's the protagonist of the story. What I think

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is obviously kind of a really amazing selling

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point of what would then go on to be a USP for

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Warhammer. Because the whole point, like even

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though you have things like, you know, your polished

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Space Marine in his nice armor, and then you'd

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notice like little trinkets like here, there's

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a skull. on a chain, there are badges to campaigns

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which we know from the law side of it, they probably

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hunted down their own, some civilians who were

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just rebelling or begging for more resources

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or a better life, other things which are designed

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to be. And little things as well, like, oh, the

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banner is a bit tattered. It doesn't look as

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heroic when it's got holes in it, and it's a

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bit moffy -ton, and their cloaks aren't quite

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pristine. They're a bit grubbier. And it's that

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thing of like, oh, they're They're battle -worn,

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but not in a way that's, oh, look at me with

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all the dents in my armor. Aren't I glorious?

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It's like, you look like you've been crawling

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through the mud a bit, which isn't as la -di

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-da, look at me, I'm so heroic. It's more, oh,

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the realities are starting to get, like, even

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the way they do, like, how do we show rank and,

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and veteransy bolts in the skull? Like, oh, it's

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like crude and, and, and brutish in a way. I

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think it's one of those things that when people

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look at particularly when we look at art that

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we think is iconically Warhammer, it's always

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the ones that genuinely give off the same thing

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that John was able to do naturally in all of

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his work. I think everyone is, in some way, always

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trying to achieve what these pieces tell us,

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which is, again, grim fascination. It's something

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which is Like it just looks a little bit wrong.

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Do you know what I mean? Like everything is designed

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to look at just a little bit wrong. And we have

00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.779
that fascination with just something that I guess,

00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.759
I don't know if it's not only looking evil. That's

00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:09.819
the thing. It's not designed to be, you know,

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these are the bad guy. We again, like, always

00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.019
back to Tolkien's off. It's not designed to be

00:24:14.019 --> 00:24:17.380
the bad guy, but it's designed to mean your good

00:24:17.380 --> 00:24:22.680
guy may not be a good guy. The anti yeah, the

00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:26.140
classic and most I guess most of hammer stuff

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and kind of is anti hero ish. Because there's,

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again, there's, there are heroes in the in the

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universe, but they're not they, they're not designed

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to be heroes in our world. Because, and Jay,

00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.259
one, I guess, weirdo, when it's like, when the

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real world is a bit more shit, you know, I mean,

00:24:43.940 --> 00:24:46.380
that's the whole point, like, it's more shit

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on the real world is doing better. So ironically,

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you know, maybe not as much today, but a lot

00:24:53.549 --> 00:24:56.630
of John's, you know, again, the grim dark genre

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in itself is meant to be horrifying to you. In

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a sense, it's meant to be something where you

00:25:02.069 --> 00:25:07.130
look at it and you describe it as so that's kind

00:25:07.130 --> 00:25:09.829
of I'd say that's kind of grim dark in itself.

00:25:09.869 --> 00:25:11.690
I managed to waffle on about it for far too long

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there, but it does have a long varied history

00:25:14.829 --> 00:25:18.230
that is kind of an accumulation of a rejection

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of what is supposedly the Tolkien -esque take

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on, you know, happiness and, you know, good guys,

00:25:26.250 --> 00:25:29.049
bad guys, all that stuff. Yeah. I guess that's

00:25:29.049 --> 00:25:32.509
kind of my, that's my contribution to it, though.

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Before we get any further, shall we read a few

00:25:35.390 --> 00:25:40.170
of the, there's a few donors? Yes. Would you

00:25:40.170 --> 00:25:43.769
like to start us off, please? I absolutely would.

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Rodolfo 6093. Last week I met a nice lady on

00:25:52.660 --> 00:25:56.539
reddit. We did the slaneshi, but when I Nuded

00:25:56.539 --> 00:25:59.539
instead of whispering sweetly. I yelled summon

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the elector counts rip. John Blatch Wow Thanks,

00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:13.470
man, Donkeyman USA Fiver extremely due to me

00:26:13.470 --> 00:26:16.289
gooding to the new He -Man movie at rocks. I

00:26:16.289 --> 00:26:18.950
was actually for once the cause of the late I

00:26:18.950 --> 00:26:22.029
didn't realize I did there I was out to see that

00:26:22.029 --> 00:26:25.650
Eli was a not we can mean the Brits conspired

00:26:25.650 --> 00:26:28.509
against the Americans again. We did a we did

00:26:28.509 --> 00:26:32.630
a we did a bit of a cheeky bird down the White

00:26:32.630 --> 00:26:37.170
House. But I am glad to hear you fuckers did

00:26:37.170 --> 00:26:41.700
it again again. But I am glad to hear that the

00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:44.079
new He -Man movie is not shit, especially after

00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:47.460
the TV show. It's just a shame that Jared Leto

00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:51.680
is getting into it. That is a shame. Colin has

00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:57.420
disappeared for a second. Morning Star basically

00:26:57.420 --> 00:27:00.779
spelled with a 4, V to U. Ripped the best Warhammer

00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:03.440
artist, but Colin, question. What if there was

00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.160
a slan? Prevention and the first slan out f4

00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:10.960
the second moon more sleep. I I don't even know

00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:16.720
what I just said You're a mute Colin I'm trying

00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.619
to figure out what this might mean. I'm gonna

00:27:18.619 --> 00:27:22.220
be honest that I am struggling a bit I'm assuming

00:27:22.220 --> 00:27:24.960
this is an end times thing and they just snap

00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.380
away the moon that hits the planet maybe we wouldn't

00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:30.960
have the end times then it'd be better. If they

00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.720
had Ant -Man and they crawled up the moon's buttholes.

00:27:35.740 --> 00:27:37.980
I don't think he gets quite that big Hal, I think

00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:40.119
if he did the you know the movie wouldn't have

00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:43.460
happened when he becomes the size of you know

00:27:43.460 --> 00:27:48.119
Galactus. Shalatsi's wet as gripper. Amazing

00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:56.180
photo as always To Canadian thoughts on God of

00:27:56.180 --> 00:27:59.960
War faith been hyped since 2018 looks alright

00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:06.079
Why are so many people angry about the cube Because

00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:07.839
people want to be angry about it. It's like,

00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:09.920
you know, it's a little silly looking but like

00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:12.160
it's Jack Wade. It's I love the fact that in

00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.079
the behind the scenes. He's got the big like

00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:17.420
apparatus And he's like, I'm like, yeah, go on,

00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:20.440
Jack. He's like the voice to that. This is like

00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:22.880
genuinely. I don't get it. Like, usually I can

00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.660
at least even if I don't agree, I see why people

00:28:25.660 --> 00:28:29.000
are upset. It's it's a big cube. It's like it

00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:32.259
threw me off in the immediate threw me off in

00:28:32.259 --> 00:28:34.420
the previous game. There was like a crazy squirrel

00:28:34.420 --> 00:28:36.579
fella and no one had to go about that. It's like,

00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.619
oh, but cube is too far. I can't cut guys. I

00:28:39.619 --> 00:28:41.000
mean, I don't I don't. Again, like, yeah, it's

00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:42.859
a little out of place, I guess, but it's a big

00:28:42.859 --> 00:28:49.200
cube. I mean, they cook with the stories in this

00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.099
current team, but shout out to the original God

00:28:52.099 --> 00:28:54.220
of War creator who seems to get a hate boner

00:28:54.220 --> 00:28:56.140
for every time they make something that's good.

00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:58.440
And we say original creators, like he's part

00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.759
of a big team that didn't have everything, like

00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:03.500
he didn't do everything to do with the character,

00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:06.680
he just was involved in that. Interesting, he

00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.259
didn't grow up. I understand that, you know,

00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:11.440
Kratos and Poseidon are both Greek, but that

00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.740
was racially motivated what he did to Poseidon.

00:29:14.769 --> 00:29:20.289
That was not right. Yeah. Anyway, and it looks

00:29:20.289 --> 00:29:22.410
fine. It looks fine. Donkey man. Do you want

00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:25.890
to read this one? How? Oh, yes. He man just ended

00:29:25.890 --> 00:29:28.609
my move of the year as he was saying earlier,

00:29:28.730 --> 00:29:32.029
maybe, maybe we got to go see this thing. Maybe.

00:29:33.809 --> 00:29:35.390
Oh, spooky. Hey, man. I'm just got back from

00:29:35.390 --> 00:29:38.369
holiday. I need to see your messages. HR Geiger,

00:29:38.549 --> 00:29:44.539
cable spikes. Yeah. Yeah. All got cocked last

00:29:44.539 --> 00:29:48.160
week. Very funny. Wow, that's green. And we we

00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:53.720
have to to finish a large one for a dollar reduce

00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:56.660
from Trippie Imp. Thanks for this, lads. He will

00:29:56.660 --> 00:29:58.960
be missed. Pretty cool. We got that collab with

00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:01.539
Army Painter, though. Yeah, Army Painter. Good

00:30:01.539 --> 00:30:07.039
work. I mean, I hate it by their paints. Yes,

00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.519
I don't buy GW paints anymore because bottle

00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.920
shape. It's so poor to please be a dropper bottle,

00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.019
please. Please. I beg you. Sorry, it's not called

00:30:18.019 --> 00:30:19.920
Citadel. You know, it's just called Warhammer

00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.480
Pain, isn't it? It is. Yeah, they've they've

00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.079
relabeled it again. Yeah, that's all right. That's

00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:31.980
okay. So then we've we've that done. So I'm just

00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:34.200
going to give us a rundown of John's career.

00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.440
And obviously, this is very Cliff notesy. I never

00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.759
met John. I'm I did some research before the

00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:42.619
pod for the information. So there will be details

00:30:42.619 --> 00:30:45.579
I miss out but here's like a broad overview of

00:30:45.579 --> 00:30:48.940
of his career, uh, just to give you an idea Uh,

00:30:48.940 --> 00:30:51.960
so and do you have a few of his? Uh artworks

00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.240
as well. Yeah, we do. Uh, i'm just gonna put

00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.859
this one up to start with Uh, they are more or

00:30:57.859 --> 00:31:01.359
less in the right order. But of course The one

00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.819
I wanted to show isn't in the format. I want

00:31:03.819 --> 00:31:11.420
please bear with Uh this one I do have a particular

00:31:11.420 --> 00:31:17.420
favorite of the Custodi one that was earlier.

00:31:17.980 --> 00:31:20.000
I generally do find that one. I wish I had that

00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.599
as a poster because it's quite, I don't know,

00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:27.599
it's like a weird Roman Byzantine -esque warrior

00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:34.160
thing. It almost looked out of place in a far

00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:40.710
-flung future. And yeah, so this is John Blanche

00:31:40.710 --> 00:31:44.529
back in the day. He was born in 1948. So bear

00:31:44.529 --> 00:31:46.509
in mind, a few years after the end of the Second

00:31:46.509 --> 00:31:49.029
World War, he grew up in a working class family

00:31:49.029 --> 00:31:52.680
in a council estate. His surroundings were gray

00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.099
and visually flat So when he was young he yearned

00:31:56.099 --> 00:31:59.339
for a visual richness, which he found particularly

00:31:59.339 --> 00:32:02.299
in cinema as his escape He spent a lot of his

00:32:02.299 --> 00:32:05.660
spare time drawing historic warriors of of yore

00:32:05.660 --> 00:32:08.039
using the back of wallpaper So he'd find bits

00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.960
of wallpaper needs he'd scribble on that as like

00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.420
it kind of reminds me of when you hear about

00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:15.980
like Aaron Sorkin when he wrote a few good men.

00:32:15.980 --> 00:32:21.299
He worked as a A bartender and he would scribble

00:32:21.299 --> 00:32:23.579
bits of the script on napkins. It's like that

00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:25.599
similar thing of like you work with what you

00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.099
can and So he spent his time scribbling around

00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:32.319
and working on his his art and in the 60s when

00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.079
he was a teenager and young adult He went to

00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.759
art college. He began honing his painting skills.

00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:41.059
He was doing battle scenes and prehistoric conflicts

00:32:41.059 --> 00:32:44.240
But eventually he was told by his teachers. Hey

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:48.759
mate took him aside and they said You have a

00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:51.140
romantic spirit, but it would never earn you

00:32:51.140 --> 00:32:55.539
a living and there's no point pursuing it Wow

00:32:55.539 --> 00:33:00.240
Well, well ironic I have a quote for you in the

00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:01.980
the private chat here Colin. Would you like to

00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:06.920
read out this quote, please? Sure, the people

00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.380
there seemed unaware of art and an altar oa glory

00:33:09.380 --> 00:33:11.940
people stood back and expected me to metamorphose

00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:14.900
into an exist existentialist of sorts well i

00:33:14.900 --> 00:33:17.400
couldn't even spell that so i drafted and drifted

00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.519
into graphics and became exposed to illustration

00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.359
hippie dumb and the lord of the rings even then

00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.339
i was told to never invent for the sake of it

00:33:24.339 --> 00:33:26.740
and that i would never get a job painting pictures

00:33:26.740 --> 00:33:30.759
of angels dragons goblins and trolls well i hope

00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:33.599
that professor enjoyed putting you know the taste

00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.940
of their foot in their mouth so many servings

00:33:36.940 --> 00:33:40.460
of humble pie would yeah Um, hope they enjoyed

00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:44.140
um, however, he basically he did his his work

00:33:44.140 --> 00:33:47.599
at art college with that done. He became a taxidermist

00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:51.839
for a brief time He raised um crazy pivot in

00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.740
a georgian manner and he began model building

00:33:54.740 --> 00:33:57.759
He did wildlife drawings and in his spare time.

00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:00.880
He tried various, uh different styles of art

00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.900
And in the 70s, he relocated to london. Good

00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:07.349
older not null And he was approached by the publisher

00:34:07.349 --> 00:34:10.230
Roger Dean, who was known for creating art for

00:34:10.230 --> 00:34:13.530
the band Yes and Asia. This is one of his later

00:34:13.530 --> 00:34:16.989
pieces before he died back in 2019. He also did

00:34:16.989 --> 00:34:20.510
this album cover for Yes. And so he kind of gave

00:34:20.510 --> 00:34:25.030
him a bit of a push in his career. Dean himself

00:34:25.030 --> 00:34:29.090
has sold over 150 million copies of his art worldwide.

00:34:29.469 --> 00:34:33.510
So like the good mental figure. And he helped

00:34:33.510 --> 00:34:36.590
him with freelance illustration. He began to

00:34:36.590 --> 00:34:39.210
create covers for different fantasy pieces. For

00:34:39.210 --> 00:34:44.230
example, he did a piece for the Tolkien bestiary

00:34:44.230 --> 00:34:49.110
by David Day. I'm not sure if it's this one or

00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:53.050
if it's this one, but both of them are pretty

00:34:53.050 --> 00:34:58.400
dang good. So. Take your pick for the audio listeners.

00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.960
There's two variations I don't even know how

00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:03.340
to describe the artwork for these are dragons

00:35:03.340 --> 00:35:08.239
particularly Yeah, they're not dragons But the

00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:13.199
more serpent -like and in muted tones that but

00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.659
it's also kind of weirdly bony and skull -like

00:35:16.659 --> 00:35:19.179
I don't yeah, it's it's a dragon that's more

00:35:19.179 --> 00:35:21.860
serpent -like but it also isn't looking like

00:35:21.860 --> 00:35:25.119
you know, like a Chinese or Japanese style dragons.

00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.360
Well, that's actually quite impressive. However,

00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:31.019
this was pulled off. And bear in mind, he also

00:35:31.019 --> 00:35:32.920
did illustrations of Lord of the Rings. So for

00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.480
example, this is the Battle of the Five Kingdoms

00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:40.460
that he did. Five armies. Is that five armies

00:35:40.460 --> 00:35:43.960
or is that a... Yeah, is that five armies? Yeah,

00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.699
that's five. Because there's the mountain in

00:35:46.699 --> 00:35:49.389
the background. And there's the downfall of a

00:35:49.389 --> 00:35:51.329
numeral, I believe it is. This one he did as

00:35:51.329 --> 00:35:54.269
well. And you can tell it's his style with that,

00:35:54.989 --> 00:35:57.849
like, it's the line work and the waves and, like,

00:35:57.849 --> 00:36:00.269
the cloudiness, I guess I could call it, in the

00:36:00.269 --> 00:36:02.570
background for, like, the skyline is, I don't

00:36:02.570 --> 00:36:05.409
know, like, blotchy almost. It's got that pink

00:36:05.409 --> 00:36:09.920
-blonde, John Blanche style, I think. Eru Luvital

00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:13.739
just says, fuck you, you can't come to the funny

00:36:13.739 --> 00:36:17.239
undying land. So boom, there goes your civilization.

00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:24.239
At this point, John starts to collect miniatures,

00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:27.739
and he particularly collects metal miniatures.

00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.099
I had a metal miniature once, its arm fell off,

00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:35.440
hard to paint, harder to stick together. I think

00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.829
it was a chaplain. His crows use was too heavy.

00:36:37.829 --> 00:36:42.849
I didn't know metal minis. No But by 1977 he

00:36:42.849 --> 00:36:46.050
was established as a associate of Games Workshop.

00:36:46.050 --> 00:36:49.809
He created cover arts for many editions of Warhammer

00:36:49.809 --> 00:36:53.550
Four editions. In fact, one of the classics here

00:36:53.550 --> 00:36:56.590
is the the Blood Angels cover that that's recently

00:36:56.590 --> 00:36:59.210
had a resurgence because of the oh, yeah, the

00:36:59.210 --> 00:37:03.570
new edition second edition, I believe this is

00:37:03.570 --> 00:37:05.989
God that is cool. I guess as much as it looks

00:37:06.170 --> 00:37:08.690
dirty like a lot of his art looks dirty it's

00:37:08.690 --> 00:37:11.570
not necessarily that because like those towering

00:37:11.570 --> 00:37:13.829
those are hive spires in the background but those

00:37:13.829 --> 00:37:16.590
are like glistening white i don't know how to

00:37:16.590 --> 00:37:19.269
describe it it's interesting like it's very iconic

00:37:19.269 --> 00:37:22.210
for what i assume is the aziman one as well like

00:37:22.210 --> 00:37:26.829
well this one is oh yeah yeah but like even there

00:37:26.829 --> 00:37:30.269
it shows you he kind of always sticks to that

00:37:30.409 --> 00:37:32.570
even like something that's brighter here, he

00:37:32.570 --> 00:37:35.329
still sticks in that color palette of like, the

00:37:35.329 --> 00:37:38.150
crimson, yellow and black. Like it's all and

00:37:38.150 --> 00:37:40.909
then it's always a kind of variations of that.

00:37:41.550 --> 00:37:43.929
I mean, it's just obviously something which is

00:37:43.929 --> 00:37:47.409
very, very iconic. I don't know if anyone else

00:37:47.409 --> 00:37:49.510
maybe would have pulled off something where it's

00:37:49.510 --> 00:37:52.889
so like it has its own feeling like this, you

00:37:52.889 --> 00:37:55.210
know, I mean, has a little character, you know,

00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:58.420
Yeah, you're always a drawn perp like the only

00:37:58.420 --> 00:38:01.420
thing that's actually in full saturation is actually

00:38:01.420 --> 00:38:03.980
the things that are on the Like the parts that

00:38:03.980 --> 00:38:07.400
are closest to you and everything else The blood

00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.119
angels behind the main one have more muted red

00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.360
and the one at the front has more vibrant colors

00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.659
Just so you're not looking at them but little

00:38:14.659 --> 00:38:17.119
tricks here and there to like Make it so that

00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:18.960
your eye is drawn to him and then everything

00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.619
else you have to like spend more time Studying

00:38:21.619 --> 00:38:25.650
I guess But he also was the illustrator for the

00:38:25.650 --> 00:38:28.489
first UK edition of Dungeons and Dragons, which

00:38:28.489 --> 00:38:31.909
is fun. So like John Blanchett the first UK edition,

00:38:31.909 --> 00:38:39.550
which is cool Tom Bombadil Tom Bombadil Tom Bombadil

00:38:39.550 --> 00:38:43.489
various me in 40 years at the pub. That's me

00:38:43.489 --> 00:38:47.329
Like when like you look to grim dark like in

00:38:47.329 --> 00:38:49.030
itself even though like Dungeons and Dragons

00:38:49.030 --> 00:38:51.849
doesn't have to be necessarily grim dark overarching

00:38:51.849 --> 00:38:54.650
like strong colors of red are always president

00:38:54.650 --> 00:38:59.630
present usually aren't they and By this time

00:38:59.630 --> 00:39:03.329
John had created dozens of artworks for games

00:39:03.329 --> 00:39:10.530
workshop by 1979 By 1982 he also began to work

00:39:10.530 --> 00:39:13.769
with as guard miniatures so he started to branch

00:39:13.769 --> 00:39:16.269
out into other companies as well but he was a

00:39:16.269 --> 00:39:21.179
member of Games workshops team and They relocated

00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:25.340
the entire company in 1986 and that's when they

00:39:25.340 --> 00:39:28.159
were managed by Managing director Brian Ansell

00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:31.519
who's also no longer with us but he as guy in

00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.079
charge also made John be the art director of

00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:38.679
the entire company and John continued to work

00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:41.960
for games workshop for many many years. I contributed

00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.400
regularly to white dwarf because he was a died

00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.519
-in -the -wool hobbyist And in 1988, he also

00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.860
created the cover for a Nottingham -based metal

00:39:52.860 --> 00:39:55.860
band called Sabbath. And that's the one. It was

00:39:55.860 --> 00:39:59.659
their debut album. So he's also working on things

00:39:59.659 --> 00:40:03.340
outside of Warhammer. But that's what he's going

00:40:03.340 --> 00:40:07.699
to be known for. And this album was called A

00:40:07.699 --> 00:40:11.119
History of a Time to Come. And at this point,

00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:15.900
he started to To create so much work that they

00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:20.460
had to start compiling it into various like compendiums

00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:22.960
of his work There is also a book you can get

00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.760
from paper tiger books, which is called heroes

00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.079
of war games Which you can actually find a lot

00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:33.659
of his work in it He also I believe this is the

00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:38.179
time where he also Created the first cover for

00:40:38.179 --> 00:40:42.320
warhammer fantasy, which is like oh Look at that.

00:40:42.500 --> 00:40:46.280
Oh, yeah Oh yeah. Have you seen this one before

00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:50.960
Colton? A few times. Yeah. It's that good stuff.

00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:56.400
If you came into Warhammer fantasy, was that

00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.539
post Total War Warhammer trailer and stuff like

00:40:59.539 --> 00:41:03.619
that, the original one? Oh no, when I was getting

00:41:03.619 --> 00:41:07.820
into Warhammer, I think what had just released

00:41:07.820 --> 00:41:10.760
for Total Warhammer 2 was the Ickot Claw DLC.

00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.800
And then it's weird to think like stuff like

00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.440
this is so, as in like that, like it's almost

00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:23.239
hard to imagine like that within it offshoots

00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.559
into the Goliath that it is, but yet somehow

00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:29.340
it's still recognizable. Like a lot of early

00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:33.460
art for different genres are almost like completely

00:41:33.460 --> 00:41:37.400
different to what they originally were. But then

00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:39.989
Warhammer's done a reasonable job i'd say of

00:41:39.989 --> 00:41:43.170
like at least they pay homage to the things that

00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:46.510
you know are kind of its iconic visuals this

00:41:46.510 --> 00:41:50.690
is uh yeah this is and i i did skip ahead a little

00:41:50.690 --> 00:41:52.989
bit too far this is 79 when he made this for

00:41:52.989 --> 00:41:55.170
the first edition of warhammer fancy battle uh

00:41:55.170 --> 00:41:57.150
but sorry kind i interrupted you oh no you're

00:41:57.150 --> 00:41:59.949
fine i was to say this is uh this is this was

00:41:59.949 --> 00:42:04.289
1979 yep as far as i can tell yeah this is early

00:42:05.659 --> 00:42:08.619
This is early goblins versus high elves. In fact,

00:42:08.780 --> 00:42:11.059
I think that might be this art piece might have

00:42:11.059 --> 00:42:16.179
what made Eltharion Because yeah, he's got the

00:42:16.179 --> 00:42:20.340
sword and the spear he's on a griffin Huh still

00:42:20.340 --> 00:42:23.940
likes to pick is like it's that is it sepia like

00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:26.559
it's like the iconic choice of color, isn't it?

00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:29.480
It's always that kind of tone somewhere at least.

00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:34.239
It's like his little signature and at this point

00:42:34.429 --> 00:42:37.550
John's done work for games workshop for what

00:42:37.550 --> 00:42:41.050
20 years or so by the 80s So he's been there

00:42:41.050 --> 00:42:44.949
like they relocated in the 70s. He started working

00:42:44.949 --> 00:42:48.969
Probably in the late 60s. So oh, yeah, so it

00:42:48.969 --> 00:42:50.690
should be like 70s to 80s But eventually he would

00:42:50.690 --> 00:42:54.010
go to like what 30 40 years and his his career

00:42:54.010 --> 00:42:56.510
with games workshop But already he's he's done

00:42:56.510 --> 00:42:59.369
so much for the the company as it is. They did

00:42:59.369 --> 00:43:01.940
actually create some like Collections of his

00:43:01.940 --> 00:43:05.400
works one being the prince and the woodcutter

00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.820
and another one being rat spike which is him

00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:12.480
and his his collaborator miller and It was after

00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.139
this point that unfortunately John was diagnosed

00:43:15.139 --> 00:43:17.980
with ill health which is which is sad to see

00:43:17.980 --> 00:43:21.260
that I believe in the in the early 2000s. That's

00:43:21.260 --> 00:43:24.099
when things started to take a bit of a toll but

00:43:24.099 --> 00:43:27.179
he's already at this point made such a impact

00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:33.309
on the hobby and Back in the day, he's always

00:43:33.309 --> 00:43:36.730
been a bit of a, I guess, outspoken in the way

00:43:36.730 --> 00:43:42.349
that other people create art and how, I guess,

00:43:43.090 --> 00:43:45.730
certain people, especially in the fantasy setting,

00:43:46.849 --> 00:43:50.329
layer on elements of the designs that he found

00:43:50.329 --> 00:43:55.150
was distasteful. What he found solace in when

00:43:55.150 --> 00:43:57.909
he was in his his later years was he was still

00:43:57.909 --> 00:44:00.769
working on warhammer fancy and 40k In his own

00:44:00.769 --> 00:44:02.849
words living in the worlds. He helped create

00:44:02.849 --> 00:44:06.349
uh, he retired from games workshop in may 31st

00:44:06.349 --> 00:44:10.269
2023 So only a few years ago as art director

00:44:10.269 --> 00:44:13.619
he continued to work on miniatures And he even

00:44:13.619 --> 00:44:15.579
a few years ago launched his own Kickstarter

00:44:15.579 --> 00:44:17.719
campaign for a range of models under the name

00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.559
Mordoran. And there's actually a game you can

00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:24.880
play called John Blanche's On Guard. To describe

00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:30.219
his style, John is very gothic with bizarre elements.

00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.679
One of his heroes and someone who also would

00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.119
collaborate with him in the future, Patrick James

00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.119
Woodruff, he described his style as... It has

00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:45.099
as yet no name, no easy access, no fixed criteria.

00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:48.300
Is it packaging? Is it comic book art? Where

00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:51.219
does it fit? Role playing games and all the paraphernalia

00:44:51.219 --> 00:44:53.840
that go with them must still be unfamiliar to

00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:57.420
the average citizen of this land. And John saw

00:44:57.420 --> 00:45:01.400
his style as archetypical or archetypal imagery.

00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:05.019
He stated in rat spike in his own words. How

00:45:05.019 --> 00:45:06.780
would you like to read this little quote I've

00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:11.760
got here? Yes. He says, the first images of primeval

00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.480
man would concern themselves with hunting scenes,

00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:19.179
heroic action, mighty beasts, death marks, war

00:45:19.179 --> 00:45:22.300
paint, fetishes and trophies. Today we see the

00:45:22.300 --> 00:45:25.239
same sorts of themes represented in punk haircuts,

00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:29.260
studded leather, and even the imagery employed

00:45:29.260 --> 00:45:34.179
in films like Blade Runner and Aliens. This is

00:45:34.179 --> 00:45:36.440
the heritage of Western culture. That is what

00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:41.260
I'm trying to tap when I paint. Hmm and his influences

00:45:41.260 --> 00:45:43.619
were people like Arthur Rackham like look at

00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:46.619
this. This is very John Blanche. That's Arthur

00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:51.619
Rackham. Oh You've got people like Kay Nielsen

00:45:51.619 --> 00:45:55.179
Rembrandt you've got Matthias Grunwald You've

00:45:55.179 --> 00:45:58.460
got Jim Burns and again, he loved Tolkien. He

00:45:58.460 --> 00:46:00.760
loved films He loved comics and so he incorporated

00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:03.860
all that he could into his work. He also stated

00:46:03.860 --> 00:46:07.969
that the Mona Lisa was to be the best art piece

00:46:07.969 --> 00:46:11.190
known globally. And he regularly tried to incorporate

00:46:11.190 --> 00:46:13.949
it into his own art, stating, it was no mere

00:46:13.949 --> 00:46:16.349
plagiarism, but a deliberate policy to place

00:46:16.349 --> 00:46:18.110
what is probably the world's best -known painting

00:46:18.110 --> 00:46:22.150
image into a new reality. He believed that interpretation

00:46:22.150 --> 00:46:25.050
with art to be literal without secret meaning.

00:46:25.469 --> 00:46:27.670
He believed that images should be enjoyed for

00:46:27.670 --> 00:46:29.909
what they are and attempted to draw the viewer

00:46:29.909 --> 00:46:32.989
into things like color technique narrative quality

00:46:32.989 --> 00:46:37.030
and character He also created this piece of art,

00:46:37.269 --> 00:46:40.789
which he called the Amazonia Gothic Which was

00:46:40.789 --> 00:46:42.989
a deliberate one of his few times He deliberately

00:46:42.989 --> 00:46:45.510
made a commentary on art saying I was utterly

00:46:45.510 --> 00:46:47.869
sick of seeing brilliant artists producing painting

00:46:47.869 --> 00:46:50.659
after painting of near naked female Fantasy models

00:46:50.659 --> 00:46:53.059
with chests the size of airships elements of

00:46:53.059 --> 00:46:54.820
this style of fancy art were creeping onto the

00:46:54.820 --> 00:46:56.920
front of white dwarf I was receiving letters

00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:58.679
on a weekly basis complaining about what people

00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.000
saw as Exploitative of the female form so in

00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.400
a very punk manner, which is very john blanche

00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.159
He said screw that like uh chainmail bikinis,

00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.139
etc i'm gonna make my own thing This piece of

00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:12.800
art would be on white dwarf 79 and even had its

00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.619
own miniature, which is quite cool um, I guess

00:47:15.619 --> 00:47:18.059
that's like a you know, like there's that's like

00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:22.619
a in a version of what is like Conan the Barbarian,

00:47:22.900 --> 00:47:26.420
that one of like, I guess, like He -Man and other

00:47:26.420 --> 00:47:29.400
things. So like, the idea is, it's still the

00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.440
female form, isn't it? But this is something

00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.820
where it's like, it's only power. It's something

00:47:34.820 --> 00:47:37.179
designed to be like, this is a weapon rather

00:47:37.179 --> 00:47:40.920
than something which is just there to, as he

00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.300
says, show off the things the size of airships

00:47:43.300 --> 00:47:48.269
or something. I have another quote here, Colin,

00:47:48.409 --> 00:47:51.429
if you wouldn't mind. This is from the compendium

00:47:51.429 --> 00:47:54.269
of his works from Rat Spike, which is a statement

00:47:54.269 --> 00:47:57.510
by Patrick Woodroffe, who I mentioned earlier.

00:47:58.449 --> 00:48:01.730
John's often tiny paintings are immaculate, painstakingly

00:48:01.730 --> 00:48:04.329
accurate, jewel -like in the intensity of repeatedly

00:48:04.329 --> 00:48:06.929
glazed colors. To be fully appreciated, they

00:48:06.929 --> 00:48:08.989
must be seen as original, for it is their small

00:48:08.989 --> 00:48:10.949
size that somehow emphasizes their uniqueness.

00:48:12.070 --> 00:48:14.269
John's fondness for Latin slogans may seem out

00:48:14.269 --> 00:48:16.420
of place. And yet a glimpse of the originals

00:48:16.420 --> 00:48:18.920
makes one realize that such miniature work is

00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:20.980
not even one step removed from the work of the

00:48:20.980 --> 00:48:26.159
medieval illuminator. Damn. What throws us is

00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.199
the gods are different, or at least the devils

00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.840
are. This is very modern stuff, different, hard

00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.670
to assess. Wow, that's cool. And I have one last

00:48:35.670 --> 00:48:39.170
quote for Hal to read. I believe this was a statement

00:48:39.170 --> 00:48:42.710
from, I guess, the people who were in charge

00:48:42.710 --> 00:48:45.610
of his socials, et cetera. And I believe this

00:48:45.610 --> 00:48:47.969
is also intertwined with Games Workshop. So this

00:48:47.969 --> 00:48:52.150
is the last part of my little section. John was

00:48:52.150 --> 00:48:55.190
a inspirational artist devoted to his family

00:48:55.190 --> 00:48:58.829
and a good friend to many. Always generous with

00:48:58.829 --> 00:49:02.219
time and knowledge, he was Very well loved by

00:49:02.219 --> 00:49:04.880
all who knew and worked with him, he'll be hugely

00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.159
missed. The world of Warhammer was brought to

00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.940
life by his vision of the grimdark setting that

00:49:09.940 --> 00:49:12.960
I know his art meant a lot to so many of you.

00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:17.079
He leaves behind an enormous legacy and has enriched

00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.429
many people's lives. Yeah, and that's the the

00:49:20.429 --> 00:49:24.349
brief history of John Blanche who has been so

00:49:24.349 --> 00:49:27.389
influential in in in this particular hobby that

00:49:27.389 --> 00:49:29.329
you wouldn't be able to have warhammer without

00:49:29.329 --> 00:49:35.510
John and I think so many good pieces So yes before

00:49:35.510 --> 00:49:38.809
we get to the yeah before the good pieces. Yeah

00:49:38.809 --> 00:49:42.909
Just got the one this one's from Merkel's jar

00:49:42.909 --> 00:49:46.690
for five New Zealand's God in at third left before

00:49:46.690 --> 00:49:49.400
sixth came back at 10th john blanche will be

00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:53.420
missed amen to that hell yeah man i just think

00:49:53.420 --> 00:49:56.679
like because even now people will hopefully is

00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.340
is bizarre like someone can create something

00:49:59.340 --> 00:50:02.119
and yet like basically nearly half a century

00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:04.059
later people will still be like i need to do

00:50:04.059 --> 00:50:07.739
it in his style it's very you know to be able

00:50:07.739 --> 00:50:10.599
to make something that iconic is quite quite

00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:17.300
a big achievement and impressive yeah So as we

00:50:17.300 --> 00:50:21.119
go forward, I figured we should go through maybe

00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:25.000
some of the good pieces, some of the most iconic

00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.300
pieces he's made. So obviously I'm going to pick

00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:30.539
Jagatai Khan as the first one. Look at that.

00:50:30.699 --> 00:50:34.519
Hey, it's Jagatai. Andy, I'll give you credit

00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.039
that that image of Jagatai Khan, which I'm pretty

00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.739
sure for like 20 years was the only one he had,

00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:46.300
is pretty goddamn sick. Yeah. It's amazing. stuck

00:50:46.300 --> 00:50:51.320
as in like, that is still, I like in his work,

00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.840
there's always like thigh high boots. Always

00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.699
a heel involved. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty cool.

00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.780
It's like, if you consider like, the punk era

00:51:01.780 --> 00:51:04.739
was his thing, you had bands in metal, punk,

00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.619
rock, etc. Yeah, people like Judas Priest with

00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:10.039
like, hell bent for leather and the spiked boots

00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:13.019
and heels and stuff. It does make sense and like,

00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.719
The music scene cinema, etc You know, there's

00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:18.940
there's a lot to draw from also another primark.

00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:21.380
He did illustrate. That's never really been changed

00:51:21.380 --> 00:51:24.440
roguel dawn Can we say anything's changed? Obviously

00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:27.400
the style but that's just roguel dawn. No, that

00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:31.639
is just roguel darn Yeah, that is pretty cool

00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:34.059
I was it took me a while. I didn't notice it

00:51:34.059 --> 00:51:35.960
always straight away Because I always forget

00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.320
about the imperial fist but like dawn's chess

00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:41.420
play is like half the Aquila half the thunderbolt,

00:51:41.539 --> 00:51:44.909
isn't it? Or something. Yeah, like so like it's

00:51:44.909 --> 00:51:47.750
slightly off. It's like it's not symmetrical,

00:51:47.750 --> 00:51:52.650
which is quite cool Yeah, again those classic

00:51:52.650 --> 00:51:56.429
color choices as well. It's so damn cool I should

00:51:56.429 --> 00:51:59.809
get that one. I should get a dog piece The the

00:51:59.809 --> 00:52:02.769
step on me mommy piece that's been highly requested

00:52:02.769 --> 00:52:05.349
the whole episode I've been I've been keeping

00:52:05.349 --> 00:52:06.909
an eye on you chat. Like where's the lady with

00:52:06.909 --> 00:52:09.449
the boot? Where's the step on me one? There it

00:52:09.449 --> 00:52:12.679
is. There she is I think, but this is the example

00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:16.420
of his, I guess his ethos earlier, which is he

00:52:16.420 --> 00:52:21.380
doesn't want just a scantily clad women, as in

00:52:21.380 --> 00:52:23.380
like for the eye, just for the purposes of eye

00:52:23.380 --> 00:52:26.119
candy. But it's more of like, you know, like,

00:52:26.179 --> 00:52:28.219
again, people can look like what they actually

00:52:28.219 --> 00:52:31.579
look like, you know, but then it's not in a way

00:52:31.579 --> 00:52:34.659
that's unflattering or not like grotesque. What's

00:52:34.659 --> 00:52:37.139
the one thinking of like gratuitous gratuitous?

00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:41.539
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I is yeah designed

00:52:41.539 --> 00:52:44.699
to be like yeah this is uh this is what you really

00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:47.219
want this person is stepping on a skull this

00:52:47.219 --> 00:52:50.000
person's a killer yeah you know yeah it's like

00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:53.519
it's like well if we want a woman to be powerful

00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:56.619
is the only way to strip all their clothing off

00:52:56.619 --> 00:52:58.139
till they're wearing a bikini then give them

00:52:58.139 --> 00:53:01.260
a sword or can we give them like actual armor

00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:04.360
that would make sense which still has like feminine

00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.360
qualities to like its design but isn't patronizing

00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:09.300
of like oh you want to be a character to you

00:53:09.659 --> 00:53:11.659
Get your knockers out like yeah, then and I think

00:53:11.659 --> 00:53:13.320
that's yeah, that's one of the things he really

00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.099
hated Um, and so again with his designs he he

00:53:17.099 --> 00:53:20.960
with this one piece Essentially paved the way

00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:23.599
for the entire adeptus sororitas army. I mean

00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:25.860
they all have the hair color They all have the

00:53:25.860 --> 00:53:28.000
color scheme. There are different uh branches

00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:29.780
that have different color schemes But it's like

00:53:29.780 --> 00:53:33.480
the sword the bolt pistol the the like heels

00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.960
that the the the the augmatic eye piece It's

00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:42.519
like it's all there even way back then Orcs.

00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.119
Orcs, orcs, orcs. This one's quite different

00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:49.500
from his usual look, I guess, but you can still

00:53:49.500 --> 00:53:51.179
tell it's him. Yeah, but I can still tell, yeah.

00:53:52.300 --> 00:53:56.900
It's always the vehicles I always liked. The

00:53:56.900 --> 00:53:59.760
trim on vehicles is always so elaborate. And

00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.119
even then, if you look at the tank in the middle,

00:54:02.260 --> 00:54:04.519
it's basically got a gothic spire on the top

00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.980
of it as well. Little stomper, yeah. I think

00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:09.519
the big thing is like silhouettes, isn't it?

00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:11.380
Like if you look at the background, like silhouettes

00:54:11.380 --> 00:54:15.980
are a huge play in it. And it's so poisonous,

00:54:16.139 --> 00:54:18.679
the atmosphere. It looks terrible to live in.

00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:21.659
I can imagine that in Darktide or something.

00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:27.159
That is cool, though. All bolters must be red

00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:31.880
as well. This one's Lucas Crom. He was very good

00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.960
at the Mechanica stuff because I think he reveled

00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.639
in Showing off all the mechadendrites all the

00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.579
weird gribbly bits all the stuff. That's like

00:54:39.579 --> 00:54:43.920
there is a human silhouette, but also The Frick

00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.420
is that under the robes and some of it is concealed

00:54:46.420 --> 00:54:48.900
and some of it you get to see and I like how

00:54:48.900 --> 00:54:51.679
he played with that And also the color palette

00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:53.820
of like the reds and the oranges which he doesn't

00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:56.219
feel like all of his Mechanicus stuff. I have

00:54:56.219 --> 00:55:02.119
you seen his chainsaw. He has extra Yeah, I'm

00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.690
having all the chainswords You can't even, like

00:55:04.690 --> 00:55:06.670
the cool part about that is you can't tell where

00:55:06.670 --> 00:55:09.690
the human begins or ends. Like you can't even

00:55:09.690 --> 00:55:13.070
see the face necessarily. Like part of it looks

00:55:13.070 --> 00:55:15.449
like a rib cage in the middle, but you can't

00:55:15.449 --> 00:55:16.989
quite tell. You know, there's like a metallic

00:55:16.989 --> 00:55:20.550
leg there, but you don't, again, like there's

00:55:20.550 --> 00:55:23.710
like the human is there, but it's not there as

00:55:23.710 --> 00:55:26.150
well. The only human things are like the little

00:55:26.150 --> 00:55:30.769
skulls, the little servitors and things. Sometimes

00:55:30.769 --> 00:55:32.840
when I look at John's art, I'll look at like

00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:34.920
a complicated section. I'll try and look into

00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.119
it and my brain gets a bit overwhelmed with like

00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:41.019
how much stuff is going on i'm like, um Especially

00:55:41.019 --> 00:55:42.920
with the mechanicist stuff. Sometimes you like

00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:45.880
you zoom into the image and it's like I want

00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:47.519
to know what's going on, but there's there's

00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:50.599
so much going on It can be a bit like confusing

00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:52.619
and that's that's kind of that adds to the design.

00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:56.119
I suppose Uh, very cluttered intentionally. So

00:55:56.119 --> 00:56:00.869
like I like yeah speaking of that my god That

00:56:00.869 --> 00:56:04.449
is craziness. The tyranny is the one where it's

00:56:04.449 --> 00:56:08.869
like, they should always paint tyrannies or make

00:56:08.869 --> 00:56:12.010
them look as scary as this, because I think in

00:56:12.010 --> 00:56:15.150
the novels they come across as that. But then

00:56:15.150 --> 00:56:16.869
I know that's the only one where I look at the

00:56:16.869 --> 00:56:21.530
tabletop and I go, that's just a big bug. Or

00:56:21.530 --> 00:56:23.690
especially they're meant to be more monstrous.

00:56:24.989 --> 00:56:28.530
And again, I imagine it was a lictor in the middle

00:56:28.530 --> 00:56:32.639
or is that a... hive. I can't tell again, like,

00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:34.000
because it all like, you can't even tell where

00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:35.559
something begins and where it ends, like, but

00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:37.920
even then, like the, I'm sure, like, obviously,

00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:41.260
he was inspired by alien and other parts, because

00:56:41.260 --> 00:56:43.480
obviously, the gene stealers are similar to that.

00:56:43.739 --> 00:56:46.539
But the, even then, it looks like everything

00:56:46.539 --> 00:56:51.119
looks like malformed and terrifying. Oh, god,

00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.440
that's disgusting in a good way. But like, you

00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:57.179
know, yuck. I just got a recommendation from

00:56:57.179 --> 00:57:01.389
from the chat. uh from from turkey uh do you

00:57:01.389 --> 00:57:07.530
want to read this one out uh sure uh andy realms

00:57:07.530 --> 00:57:09.769
of chaos with the demon slaps that the space

00:57:09.769 --> 00:57:12.289
marines run by demons in pink so eye -catching

00:57:12.289 --> 00:57:19.429
this is the one oh yeah oh yeah that's nice that's

00:57:19.429 --> 00:57:22.150
good oh that hit the spot said colin do you want

00:57:22.150 --> 00:57:24.650
to describe that for the audio lister sure so

00:57:24.650 --> 00:57:27.949
you've got a Can you zoom in a little on the

00:57:27.949 --> 00:57:29.730
guy, Andy? I want to see if I can't figure out

00:57:29.730 --> 00:57:32.869
what... I don't think I can. That doesn't look

00:57:32.869 --> 00:57:34.710
like a chapter. I think that just is kind of

00:57:34.710 --> 00:57:36.449
like just a space marine. I mean, I'm sure it's...

00:57:36.449 --> 00:57:40.110
I can send you the image independently. But he

00:57:40.110 --> 00:57:45.630
is just surrounded by demons. Like I think one

00:57:45.630 --> 00:57:48.789
of them, like the one kind of closest to him...

00:57:49.019 --> 00:57:51.599
like above him kind of looks like a bloodthirster

00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.079
or not like a blood letter a bit. Yeah. But it's

00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:58.019
like it's also just like an ocean of demon. And

00:57:58.019 --> 00:58:02.500
he's kind of like a dull grayish red. And everything

00:58:02.500 --> 00:58:08.039
around him is horribly pink. Yeah. My word for

00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.739
it. It's on my wall in my living room. Very nice.

00:58:10.940 --> 00:58:14.630
You can see bottom middle left. one's like a

00:58:14.630 --> 00:58:17.489
demonet, the top middle one is more like a zinch

00:58:17.489 --> 00:58:19.909
one. Can you see the guy reaching out the bottom

00:58:19.909 --> 00:58:22.690
middle? He's just like, oh, it's like, no, you're

00:58:22.690 --> 00:58:26.269
staying there. And I like the way the the bolter

00:58:26.269 --> 00:58:29.650
is like ineffectually just like, like, oh, good

00:58:29.650 --> 00:58:31.409
job, mate, that bolt is going to get rid of that.

00:58:31.550 --> 00:58:35.389
Yeah. Just a little tiny blob in the mass of

00:58:35.389 --> 00:58:37.929
swirling flesh. The modern hero versus the dragon,

00:58:37.989 --> 00:58:40.610
isn't it? It's the the bolt, the space marine

00:58:40.610 --> 00:58:43.719
bolter versus the tide of unending flesh. This

00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:47.840
one's the dark city, Cormoran against spiky,

00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:50.659
which is made because that is that is like the

00:58:50.659 --> 00:58:53.480
only we don't have many art depictions of Cormoran.

00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:57.719
So that is kind of like that's the that's the

00:58:57.719 --> 00:58:59.940
standard set for everything. And it makes it

00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:03.360
look horrifying. Like you just go like that.

00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:05.559
It's like you're going to land in the cactus

00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:10.579
bush of a city that looks terrifying. Yeah, it's

00:59:10.579 --> 00:59:13.889
good. Uh, and we've got the, the eternity gate,

00:59:13.889 --> 00:59:17.110
I think it is for the emperor's palace, uh, very

00:59:17.110 --> 00:59:21.530
grand, but also fell in its, its depiction. Oh

00:59:21.530 --> 00:59:24.329
my God. That like fallen banners and shields,

00:59:24.429 --> 00:59:26.829
isn't it? Like lining the procession in the middle.

00:59:27.230 --> 00:59:30.550
And if you look closely, you can actually see

00:59:30.550 --> 00:59:33.750
like on the stairwell, there's a person for scale.

00:59:34.489 --> 00:59:38.849
You have to look quite closely and. There's idea

00:59:38.849 --> 00:59:41.010
of like the flying cherubs, but it's kind of

00:59:41.010 --> 00:59:43.630
like that. It's an homage to what is like classic

00:59:43.630 --> 00:59:46.530
I guess like, you know Catholic like Latin, you

00:59:46.530 --> 00:59:48.230
know, it's a statement. It's a stained glass

00:59:48.230 --> 00:59:54.349
window on a massive obviously gate But it's just

00:59:54.349 --> 00:59:57.429
again the mythology itself is living there and

00:59:57.429 --> 00:59:59.409
then imagery like even on the banners we have

00:59:59.409 --> 01:00:02.889
imagery of death and You know good old God Emperor

01:00:02.889 --> 01:00:06.550
notice eternally the I guess it's like a it's

01:00:06.550 --> 01:00:08.500
because it's made to give you the impression

01:00:08.500 --> 01:00:11.780
it's not like a normal God, but is a God of death.

01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:17.539
So hell yeah. Yeah, not nice in some way. This

01:00:17.539 --> 01:00:20.119
one's a fan favorite. This is the epic cover.

01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.619
I mean, it's really cool that like, is it a white

01:00:24.619 --> 01:00:26.539
tiger cloak with like, you can see the claws

01:00:26.539 --> 01:00:29.860
on both sides. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Like

01:00:29.860 --> 01:00:33.380
a leopard, isn't it leopard skin? Yeah. God,

01:00:34.340 --> 01:00:36.949
that is cool. I was interested in like that person,

01:00:37.190 --> 01:00:38.949
the guy, the captain, I assume in the middle

01:00:38.949 --> 01:00:43.210
has got like an underslung plasma bolt, plasma

01:00:43.210 --> 01:00:46.250
gun, like on his, yeah, underslung as well. But

01:00:46.250 --> 01:00:49.889
then I see that much. I might see it again, though,

01:00:49.989 --> 01:00:53.110
because John's work, actually, there's a model

01:00:53.110 --> 01:00:55.750
that's an homage to his work, which is the Black

01:00:55.750 --> 01:00:58.050
Templar's Castellan, which I think we'll might

01:00:58.050 --> 01:01:01.280
see in one of the other pieces coming up. and

01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:03.659
then the classic land raider everything again

01:01:03.659 --> 01:01:05.880
even my favorite part of these ones are the ships

01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:09.960
like coming out of the sky at the very top because

01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:13.159
that just looks like a gaping more of like a

01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:15.739
beast it shows you like the scale of the uh conflict

01:01:15.739 --> 01:01:18.280
is enormous i like it when you say that like

01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:21.539
gaping no how you like it when i say gate no

01:01:21.539 --> 01:01:23.460
those don't say it please no all right we're

01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:25.219
gonna put that black templates on analysis am

01:01:25.219 --> 01:01:32.079
i saying it too much I like how they remade recently

01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:36.880
the castellan with the axe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.940
You can buy that model as well, which is so cool.

01:01:41.099 --> 01:01:43.059
Because I guess you wouldn't have thought they'd

01:01:43.059 --> 01:01:45.019
do something like that. But I think I remember

01:01:45.019 --> 01:01:48.300
like, it's interesting part like when you're

01:01:48.300 --> 01:01:51.539
painting something like all of your drawing a

01:01:51.539 --> 01:01:54.320
figure, black armor is actually kind of usually

01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:59.030
boring. And so at every point, You can see like

01:01:59.030 --> 01:02:01.750
even then just little bits of color are injected,

01:02:01.750 --> 01:02:04.449
like even the front guy who's got like red on

01:02:04.449 --> 01:02:07.349
his pauldrons, knee pad. That's why like a lot

01:02:07.349 --> 01:02:10.070
of I theorize a lot of the weapons are actually

01:02:10.070 --> 01:02:13.329
like either, you know, like yellow or red is

01:02:13.329 --> 01:02:15.590
basically because of the lack of color everywhere

01:02:15.590 --> 01:02:18.389
else. It was an opportunity to basically shove

01:02:18.389 --> 01:02:22.489
in more of it. God, that's cool. And like, I

01:02:22.489 --> 01:02:24.809
don't know where the thing in Warhammer for hazard

01:02:24.809 --> 01:02:27.500
stripes come from. Does anyone? How ethereal

01:02:27.500 --> 01:02:30.219
do they know where hazard stripes is like? My

01:02:30.219 --> 01:02:33.039
best guess is like it's a very visually distinct,

01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:35.219
like, like, you know, it's black and yellow.

01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.420
That's very eye catching. I mean, in real life,

01:02:37.420 --> 01:02:40.000
they're designed to be eye catching. It's warming,

01:02:40.179 --> 01:02:42.159
isn't it? Yeah. And it's, it's also like, it's

01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:44.699
a very clear, like danger symbol. It's like,

01:02:44.780 --> 01:02:48.219
Hey, it's a hazard stripe. Like that's always

01:02:48.219 --> 01:02:50.139
been my assumption. Like it's, you know, and

01:02:50.139 --> 01:02:51.980
it does kind of look cool. It looks to the Iron

01:02:51.980 --> 01:02:54.960
Mary. What are you married? What the fuck? Iron

01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:58.500
Warriors make it look kind of cool. Oh, my God.

01:02:58.500 --> 01:03:00.460
He likes the Iron Warriors. Perturabo, number

01:03:00.460 --> 01:03:03.679
one fan. No, no, I don't. I hate their dad. I

01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:06.380
don't mind them. How many times do I have to

01:03:06.380 --> 01:03:14.380
say this? Yeah, this one is a is probably I guess

01:03:14.380 --> 01:03:15.940
is that other than the Emperor one, this is the

01:03:15.940 --> 01:03:18.780
most iconic piece most people have come across

01:03:18.780 --> 01:03:24.639
or seen, I think. God crimson fist one John Blanche

01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:28.920
this one Good course doesn't I don't think it

01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:33.159
is But it's obviously aping the style if it's

01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:35.059
not because it's like I think it's distinctly

01:03:35.059 --> 01:03:37.880
different but it has that similar like use of

01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.500
color and the kind of muted muted are like Again,

01:03:42.500 --> 01:03:45.400
he said he hated painting blue. So that's not

01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:48.320
John Blanche, but you can tell it's like The

01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:50.760
next generation after john was uh, we're going

01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:54.420
to use some of the the stylistic choices he made

01:03:54.420 --> 01:03:57.099
um, but I think the most important one we have

01:03:57.099 --> 01:04:00.000
to bring up is uh, is this one which is very

01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:02.619
important with the new 11th edition trailer,

01:04:02.659 --> 01:04:05.860
which is very much Dependent on this depiction

01:04:05.860 --> 01:04:08.539
and I know that john said in interviews. Oh This

01:04:08.539 --> 01:04:11.039
is probably more like what people think the emperor

01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:14.610
would look like but in his mind Behind this illusion

01:04:14.610 --> 01:04:17.949
would be the Emperor in like a jar and it's way

01:04:17.949 --> 01:04:23.130
more like dull in comparison, but the collective

01:04:23.130 --> 01:04:24.969
consciousness, I guess of humanity would think

01:04:24.969 --> 01:04:27.690
ah, that's what I think the God Emperor looks

01:04:27.690 --> 01:04:32.570
like and Arguably the most iconic piece in the

01:04:32.570 --> 01:04:37.030
whole setting of art. I'd say Probably the whole

01:04:37.030 --> 01:04:39.250
point is to say that you were saying it earlier.

01:04:39.250 --> 01:04:43.610
You can't tell where man or machine begins or

01:04:43.610 --> 01:04:46.730
ends. And there's like indications, like the

01:04:46.730 --> 01:04:50.070
skull, the hands, like the rib cage, like other

01:04:50.070 --> 01:04:52.789
parts are just completely intermeshed or woven

01:04:52.789 --> 01:04:56.690
with that horrific device that purposely the

01:04:56.690 --> 01:04:58.989
edges are blurred. So you can't see if it's like

01:04:58.989 --> 01:05:01.869
that big, or if it's just a one small piece of

01:05:01.869 --> 01:05:04.909
a larger mechanism. And which I do appreciate

01:05:04.909 --> 01:05:07.570
as well, like all of it looks as well kind of

01:05:07.570 --> 01:05:09.730
broken in parts, like some of it has like cables

01:05:09.730 --> 01:05:12.869
that just end in places that don't look right.

01:05:13.769 --> 01:05:19.130
So it's, again, definitely an iconic piece. And

01:05:19.130 --> 01:05:22.050
that eye in the middle is, you know, I think

01:05:22.050 --> 01:05:24.449
there was the idea, like, if you have things

01:05:24.449 --> 01:05:27.809
that are, like unblinking eyes is a thing that

01:05:27.809 --> 01:05:29.750
sets off people, isn't it? Like, it sets off,

01:05:29.889 --> 01:05:33.269
like, your kind of, I guess your old, like your

01:05:33.269 --> 01:05:36.110
flight almost just staring at you like that.

01:05:36.219 --> 01:05:43.980
Although the ability to not blink is usually

01:05:43.980 --> 01:05:46.519
seen as like a mark of like a sociopath or someone

01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:53.519
who's like... I think I'm funny. Well, what's

01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:54.980
funny? What's funny? What's funny? And this is

01:05:54.980 --> 01:05:58.139
like staring at you. And that's like as if you

01:05:58.139 --> 01:06:00.989
look at a dog and you stare at them. They kind

01:06:00.989 --> 01:06:02.610
of like divert their eyes after a while because

01:06:02.610 --> 01:06:05.489
it's like a cuz you're the big dog Look away.

01:06:05.489 --> 01:06:09.090
Look away Yeah, if a dog runs at you by the way,

01:06:09.130 --> 01:06:10.889
and you're like scared of it just stare at it.

01:06:11.010 --> 01:06:13.690
That's the whole point Yeah, no, I didn't generally

01:06:13.690 --> 01:06:16.030
do that. Definitely. Listen, definitely do that

01:06:16.030 --> 01:06:18.530
when princess is charging at you full tilt Don't

01:06:18.530 --> 01:06:21.630
run. Don't do anything. Just stare Mm -hmm. I

01:06:21.630 --> 01:06:24.670
did work. I mean, yeah, I know I was walking

01:06:24.670 --> 01:06:28.170
across like a local park at night and It was

01:06:28.170 --> 01:06:29.750
like, I think it was like midnight or something.

01:06:30.090 --> 01:06:32.949
And then a big dog started running towards me.

01:06:33.030 --> 01:06:34.949
But because I grew up with dog, I just stood

01:06:34.949 --> 01:06:38.349
still and diverted at the last second. I was

01:06:38.349 --> 01:06:40.570
like, is it playing chicken with me? I don't

01:06:40.570 --> 01:06:42.409
know. Sorry. It completely irrelevant story.

01:06:42.750 --> 01:06:46.230
Go ahead and keep going. I don't know. But other

01:06:46.230 --> 01:06:49.739
than that. I think that's pretty much all the

01:06:49.739 --> 01:06:53.280
archive that I had to go through. Is there any

01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.280
other art pieces you wanted to talk about before

01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:59.440
we close this one out? Oh, I think me and Colin

01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:03.500
might be able to choose a particular favorite

01:07:03.500 --> 01:07:10.579
we could contribute. And give us a second. Oh,

01:07:10.659 --> 01:07:14.539
this one, easy. I think I might be choosing one

01:07:14.539 --> 01:07:20.199
of the more fantasy ones because I... Got that

01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:24.679
one. Yeah, that one I've got a nice high death

01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:30.460
one of that too. So if I go ships Now if I can

01:07:30.460 --> 01:07:33.699
find it This one's like a good old reliable.

01:07:33.699 --> 01:07:35.840
We like yeah, I need to talk about a ship I'm

01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:38.300
gonna put this one on it is and it's all I mean

01:07:38.300 --> 01:07:42.880
it just kicks ass. That's it's that simple Fellas

01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:45.780
you'll see in a moment. Do worry not this one

01:07:45.780 --> 01:08:00.719
here It looks like they're exiting out of a portal

01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:04.559
to hell because boy it's a lot of gribbly like

01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:08.639
fire and brimstone behind these ships. It's a

01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:12.340
massive golden like battering ram with another

01:08:12.340 --> 01:08:14.880
battering ram on front of the battering ram that

01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:17.460
the ship already is with a cathedral on top of

01:08:17.460 --> 01:08:19.819
it a cathedral there's a lot of cathedrals on

01:08:19.819 --> 01:08:23.720
top of this fucking thing uh guns the size of

01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:27.859
that's like a city easily um and in the background

01:08:27.859 --> 01:08:31.060
every other ship has is just firing every missile

01:08:31.060 --> 01:08:36.939
at once it's a no avail wonderful i said you

01:08:36.939 --> 01:08:40.239
might want andy i got that one we had earlier

01:08:40.390 --> 01:08:43.510
the ultramarines. Let me just, there's one to

01:08:43.510 --> 01:08:47.909
squats. Oh no. Oh yeah. There's the squat tank

01:08:47.909 --> 01:08:49.909
one. Oh, I don't know how to tell you this. The

01:08:49.909 --> 01:08:53.989
squats predate you. That's okay. I can still

01:08:53.989 --> 01:08:57.449
dislike them. I like this one quite a lot because

01:08:57.449 --> 01:09:00.029
it just, even though it's not necessarily in

01:09:00.029 --> 01:09:04.029
color, you can obviously he's, he's known for

01:09:04.029 --> 01:09:06.489
like having his obviously famous kind of color

01:09:06.489 --> 01:09:09.119
palette. you can still really obviously tell

01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:13.020
like it's his work because of the high level

01:09:13.020 --> 01:09:15.039
of detail and the fact like everything's got

01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:20.399
some kind of flame checker pattern or like it's

01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:22.840
that thing which would go on to like really give

01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:25.479
the idea of like grimdark which is something

01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:27.420
that has been around like and it becomes like

01:09:27.420 --> 01:09:30.520
a relic because every we live in an age of you

01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:35.130
know impossible unmoving stagnation so I mean,

01:09:35.189 --> 01:09:38.050
they make the joke of the Dark Imperium one,

01:09:38.170 --> 01:09:40.350
the Gilliman chair, where they're like, oh, it's

01:09:40.350 --> 01:09:43.289
an ancient relic from times long gone. And Gilliman's

01:09:43.289 --> 01:09:46.090
like, that's just a chair I sat on sometimes.

01:09:46.649 --> 01:09:48.149
But then so that he doesn't care anything he

01:09:48.149 --> 01:09:49.949
thought it. But to them, it's like, this is a

01:09:49.949 --> 01:09:53.189
10 ,000 -year -old chair that a demigod sat upon.

01:09:54.210 --> 01:09:57.810
Again, just iconic, massive machinery, so much,

01:09:58.170 --> 01:10:00.789
in a weird way, so much of visual noise going

01:10:00.789 --> 01:10:03.479
on in one piece, but yet you can kind of lock

01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.000
into the actual individual pieces like the ultramarine

01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:09.600
at the front, the Terminator, the captain, the

01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.539
massive plasma gun, the middle, the huge cannons,

01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.380
the banner, and obviously the buildings, and

01:10:16.380 --> 01:10:18.020
then the silhouettes in the background. So like

01:10:18.020 --> 01:10:21.399
it can, it creates like the, the full story,

01:10:21.699 --> 01:10:23.579
you just stare at it, and then you can find new

01:10:23.579 --> 01:10:27.079
details as well, like each time you look. So

01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:31.840
damn good stuff, man. Damn good stuff. Other

01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.500
than that, is that us closing out this episode

01:10:34.500 --> 01:10:37.399
then, I suppose? Yeah, I think we wanted to give

01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:44.399
you guys a bit of an homage, I think. It's a

01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:46.760
cool thing. Maybe if you guys are all doing your

01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:51.560
miniatures or other stuff, he's got a style,

01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:53.159
so you could lean into it. There are people who

01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:55.439
have done videos where they paint their miniatures

01:10:55.439 --> 01:11:01.130
in his color palette or his... create things

01:11:01.130 --> 01:11:04.210
in his visual language, I believe there is a

01:11:04.210 --> 01:11:06.390
grim dark compendium, there's a guy who has a

01:11:06.390 --> 01:11:09.729
channel where he just kitbashes miniatures and

01:11:09.729 --> 01:11:13.649
it's in the grim dark style and it makes it makes

01:11:13.649 --> 01:11:16.229
him act like he makes him in a black templates

01:11:16.229 --> 01:11:17.850
video and there's a guy who's got like a little

01:11:17.850 --> 01:11:21.050
mohawk of like stripped hair and it's like little

01:11:21.050 --> 01:11:25.750
very mad Max's esque. So people can make Jen

01:11:25.750 --> 01:11:27.510
like a miniature actually look quite terrifying,

01:11:27.590 --> 01:11:30.470
which I was quite impressed with. So uh again

01:11:30.470 --> 01:11:32.729
there's lots of things you can do to kind of

01:11:32.729 --> 01:11:35.869
really hit that nail in the head and uh yeah

01:11:35.869 --> 01:11:39.310
i'll say damn good he's done some damn good work

01:11:39.310 --> 01:11:42.869
uh rip boy thanks for all the thanks thanks for

01:11:42.869 --> 01:11:46.189
warhammer appreciate it man thanks for the uh

01:11:46.189 --> 01:11:48.649
before we before we close out though we do have

01:11:48.649 --> 01:11:51.970
one last donation to get through uh this one

01:11:51.970 --> 01:11:54.529
is from donkeyman usa would you like to read

01:11:54.529 --> 01:11:58.920
this one uh colin You were the fiver. Rogal Dorn

01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:02.140
has not changed in 50 years because he is perfect.

01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:04.840
Truly, they Rogaled their Dorn the first time

01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:08.680
around, and there was no need to change it. I

01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:11.359
mean, that's an interesting way to spell fine,

01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:16.920
but to each their own. Someone said nice things

01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:21.340
about a Primark that wasn't Jagged Eye. It's

01:12:21.340 --> 01:12:25.699
a shame, Rogal Dorn is quite interesting. I like

01:12:25.699 --> 01:12:29.039
it every time he's every novel he's had has not

01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:33.760
been a bad one. So, you know, God bless, but

01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:38.500
please let him stay dead. He's fine. He's all

01:12:38.500 --> 01:12:42.520
right. Leave him alone. Nice. Other than that,

01:12:42.659 --> 01:12:44.319
I say thank you guys so much for listening for

01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:47.319
watching a bit different this week. Hope you

01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:50.340
had your education hats on. Appreciate that one.

01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:55.079
We'll back to be our Reginald. regular schedule,

01:12:55.899 --> 01:12:57.880
just combine those two words, regular schedule,

01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:00.439
like next week, we've got some more silly stuff,

01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.140
because obviously we're not usually taking it

01:13:02.140 --> 01:13:06.939
seriously. But we, yeah, more silly stuff coming

01:13:06.939 --> 01:13:09.979
forward. We hope you guys will enjoy that. Other

01:13:09.979 --> 01:13:12.279
than that, thank you guys for listening, for

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watching. Of course, we're on Spotify, other

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things, or, you know, if you want to watch it

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offline. Other than that, this one's pretty visual

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heavy episodes. So if you needed to... check

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in on out of stuff, you know, maybe go have a

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look at some of the art pieces. And we'll see

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you guys on the next one. Peace. Bye everybody.

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Bye.