WEBVTT

00:00:11.630 --> 00:00:13.710
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,

00:00:13.730 --> 00:00:16.410
and welcome back to Lore Crimes. Hello, everybody.

00:00:17.129 --> 00:00:20.690
A little bit different. I have now moved into

00:00:20.690 --> 00:00:26.829
a new place. Where is it? For the audio listeners,

00:00:27.289 --> 00:00:31.989
there's a special guest. There's a dog. There's

00:00:31.989 --> 00:00:35.899
a dog? Yes. Russell is chilling with me. A second

00:00:35.899 --> 00:00:41.000
dog has struck lore crimes. And he has his Krusty

00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:44.320
Krabs plushy toy. So if you hear any squeaking,

00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:46.679
that's him chomping on that. How are we all?

00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:49.340
How are we? I would say, speaking of chomping

00:00:49.340 --> 00:00:52.159
on it, it's a big topic today, isn't it? Spin

00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:58.240
on it, Dio? No. It's a big topic today because

00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:01.740
we've got a cool, cool one. We're definitely...

00:01:02.429 --> 00:01:04.870
Apparently, we looked at Warhammer 40k and we

00:01:04.870 --> 00:01:08.549
went, you know what? I really wish to not sleep

00:01:08.549 --> 00:01:13.430
at night. I want to scare every middle -aged

00:01:13.430 --> 00:01:17.109
parent out there with my setting. We need to

00:01:17.109 --> 00:01:21.209
make Warhammer more grimdark, more terrifying,

00:01:21.370 --> 00:01:26.950
more nightmare fuel. This did come from my brain,

00:01:27.069 --> 00:01:29.969
so there's not more tentacles. That's not going

00:01:29.969 --> 00:01:32.170
to be one of the answers immediately. I'm just

00:01:32.170 --> 00:01:35.489
putting that out there now. But yeah, guys, we've

00:01:35.489 --> 00:01:39.590
got some... We should start the podcast by saying,

00:01:39.590 --> 00:01:42.150
first of all, we are on offline stuff, Spotify,

00:01:42.290 --> 00:01:45.010
all that good stuff. But also, we should ask,

00:01:45.150 --> 00:01:48.969
is 40K still grimdark? Would you say it's a grimdark

00:01:48.969 --> 00:01:53.730
universe? Would you like to go first, Cullen?

00:01:54.170 --> 00:01:57.549
I'd say it is more than it isn't. It's definitely

00:01:57.549 --> 00:02:04.430
lost some of the spice it used to have. You look

00:02:04.430 --> 00:02:08.310
at the old artwork, right? Everything is dirty.

00:02:11.509 --> 00:02:14.430
Intentionally. It's grimy. It's gross. Old Mechanicus

00:02:14.430 --> 00:02:20.569
artwork? God, they need a bath. It's like, it's

00:02:20.569 --> 00:02:23.669
gross and grimy and everything looks bad and

00:02:23.669 --> 00:02:27.069
horrid. And nowadays it's like, I always think

00:02:27.069 --> 00:02:30.270
of that one artwork of Gilliman with a halo over

00:02:30.270 --> 00:02:33.629
his head, like Tara. And I think like Mars and

00:02:33.629 --> 00:02:36.270
stuff like comes together to look like a halo

00:02:36.270 --> 00:02:37.990
when he's got angel wings. And I'm like, you

00:02:37.990 --> 00:02:40.810
kind of, you're pulling back on everyone being

00:02:40.810 --> 00:02:43.389
an asshole. You kind of, you kind of given me

00:02:43.389 --> 00:02:46.849
just what is pretty clearly the unironic hero

00:02:46.849 --> 00:02:48.750
I'm supposed to root for. I'm like, you kind

00:02:48.750 --> 00:02:51.379
of. you kind of lost me a little bit in terms

00:02:51.379 --> 00:02:55.039
of everyone being evil. So it's almost a little

00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:57.620
bit of grimdark. Because there is that aesthetic

00:02:57.620 --> 00:02:59.979
from the 90s. When I think of things like Akira

00:02:59.979 --> 00:03:04.780
and some of these grimy, dirty, lots of mechanical

00:03:04.780 --> 00:03:08.400
gribblies, lots of wiring. You look at a vintage

00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:12.680
Iron Warrior image and it's so complex of how

00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:16.120
much stuff is going on. You kind of have to squint

00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.979
and focus to see exactly what's going on. And

00:03:18.979 --> 00:03:20.979
I liked that aesthetic of Warhammer. You had

00:03:20.979 --> 00:03:24.659
things like... What's the Ikeda Sicarius? Is

00:03:24.659 --> 00:03:29.580
it something Reach? Fall of... Black Reach. Oh,

00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.259
Black Reach. Black Reach? Yeah, Black Reach.

00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:35.560
It has that kind of 90s aesthetic, 80s aesthetic.

00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:38.860
And I know Voldemort, for example, did a recent

00:03:38.860 --> 00:03:41.919
video where he ranted about how Warhammer is

00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:45.919
no longer a setting, it's a story. And I understand

00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:48.949
that like... I see where he's coming from. See

00:03:48.949 --> 00:03:51.990
where he's coming from with that one. I'll say,

00:03:52.069 --> 00:03:57.830
I don't know. Today we're going to dive and delve

00:03:57.830 --> 00:04:00.710
into each faction, and we're going to explain

00:04:00.710 --> 00:04:03.650
ideas that we have into how we think we could.

00:04:04.349 --> 00:04:07.050
Let's say Grimdark it up a bit. That's a hell

00:04:07.050 --> 00:04:12.349
of a catchphrase. Grimdark my heart. Yes. And

00:04:12.349 --> 00:04:15.750
for the subway surfer enjoyers, we do have some

00:04:15.750 --> 00:04:19.269
Dawn of War for you guys as well. I even have

00:04:19.269 --> 00:04:21.889
Kickstart my heart. You should definitely, in

00:04:21.889 --> 00:04:24.250
the background, look up Kickstart my heart, but

00:04:24.250 --> 00:04:29.339
you're dogfighting over Coruscant. Also, Andy,

00:04:29.500 --> 00:04:32.139
again, another quick thing before we start. You

00:04:32.139 --> 00:04:36.480
seem to have given me unlimited power. Oh, how

00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.459
have I done this? I don't know, but I'm in. I'm

00:04:40.459 --> 00:04:44.000
into the mainframe. Get off that. Get off that

00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:49.540
right now. Uh -oh. You know what, guys? Let's

00:04:49.540 --> 00:04:53.540
start big and strong. Let's start with what is

00:04:53.540 --> 00:04:56.980
described as the grim... the horrible empire,

00:04:57.180 --> 00:05:00.079
the grim, dark future. It is the Imperium of

00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.639
Mankind. And to be fair, let's start with the

00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:05.740
assessment. Do we think the Imperium of Mankind

00:05:05.740 --> 00:05:09.879
is pretty grim, dark? Does it meet that threshold

00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:14.639
still? Has it lost its charm a bit? Are we falling

00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.240
from the wayside? What do you guys think? It's

00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:22.850
kind of falling off a little bit. So it's still

00:05:22.850 --> 00:05:24.769
pretty grim. There's still plenty, you know,

00:05:24.829 --> 00:05:26.829
you get novels and it's like, yeah, there's still

00:05:26.829 --> 00:05:29.170
a servitor there and they're still just not acknowledging

00:05:29.170 --> 00:05:32.470
that's horrific. So, you know, it still gots

00:05:32.470 --> 00:05:35.129
that grimdark spice a bit. There are moments

00:05:35.129 --> 00:05:37.269
though, even in the Horus Heresy, like I can't

00:05:37.269 --> 00:05:39.129
remember which book it is, but it's one of the

00:05:39.129 --> 00:05:41.069
early ones. And it's like, this was when humanity

00:05:41.069 --> 00:05:43.870
was trying to be like, let's emancipate everyone

00:05:43.870 --> 00:05:45.649
and be peaceful. And then there's like an offhand

00:05:45.649 --> 00:05:48.009
line was just like, and then the lobotomized

00:05:48.009 --> 00:05:50.709
servitor gave the ammunition and go, oh yeah,

00:05:50.790 --> 00:05:53.430
it's still not. It's not great. It's not great.

00:05:54.230 --> 00:05:57.769
It's snuck in there. There's still plenty of

00:05:57.769 --> 00:06:00.829
messed up stuff. I would just say now you kind

00:06:00.829 --> 00:06:04.470
of have to look for it a little bit more. Do

00:06:04.470 --> 00:06:07.389
you think that's possibly because a lot of the

00:06:07.389 --> 00:06:09.110
earlier stories, they were establishing that,

00:06:09.250 --> 00:06:11.329
and then in some way it's already been established,

00:06:11.430 --> 00:06:15.730
so therefore a lot of novels or codex or stuff

00:06:15.730 --> 00:06:19.250
that we read now, they don't feel the need to

00:06:19.250 --> 00:06:22.579
basically... establish the basics again do you

00:06:22.579 --> 00:06:24.560
think they're not doing enough to like hey hey

00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:27.899
let's go back to our roots a bit here it could

00:06:27.899 --> 00:06:31.500
be but i think the problem with that is that

00:06:31.500 --> 00:06:35.240
they they're they're unestablishing too hard

00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:37.839
in some ways like now you're around where you're

00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.480
trying to make all like like you know you have

00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.879
a guy who's like a genuine like you portray him

00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.459
as a hero right he's the standout well when the

00:06:46.459 --> 00:06:50.860
next 20 guys also are just kind of heroic Well,

00:06:50.860 --> 00:06:55.540
if I may reference what I was, again, I watched

00:06:55.540 --> 00:06:58.439
Voldemort's video today and he was all about

00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:00.399
like all the stuff in the new Armageddon box

00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:03.300
set. It's, you know, it's all about Dante, Maneus,

00:07:03.300 --> 00:07:06.819
Kalgar, Gilliman, Primarchs, blah, blah. So these

00:07:06.819 --> 00:07:10.540
days he's a bit despondent with how you can no

00:07:10.540 --> 00:07:12.459
longer just have a bunch of captains who will

00:07:12.459 --> 00:07:14.459
never really be a drop in the bucket because

00:07:14.459 --> 00:07:18.860
they're expected to die. Therefore. it's lost

00:07:18.860 --> 00:07:22.199
a bit of the charm of that like oh anyone could

00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:23.540
kind of like the game of thrones thing where

00:07:23.540 --> 00:07:27.879
anyone can die no one is a uh no one is inexhaustible

00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:31.459
no one is inexpendable and so in a way warhammer

00:07:31.459 --> 00:07:33.220
is now because it's got so many characters and

00:07:33.220 --> 00:07:35.319
the characters have books and black library is

00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:37.220
making more of those and therefore there's all

00:07:37.220 --> 00:07:40.540
these main characters that takes away from the

00:07:40.540 --> 00:07:42.439
idea that any of them could die at any moment

00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.319
and therefore it's lost a bit of its charm in

00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:49.420
that regard do you think this is uh best exonerate

00:07:49.420 --> 00:07:52.699
or not exonerated the uh exemplified by once

00:07:52.699 --> 00:07:56.600
again yarik somehow returned or something yes

00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.500
this is the palpatine moment you know somehow

00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:04.279
palpatine returned i i think yeah i was like

00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:06.819
why they were even gonna tease like yarik's dead

00:08:06.819 --> 00:08:09.899
but he's not it's like did we need that you could

00:08:09.899 --> 00:08:12.240
have just not said that and we would have been

00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:16.180
like oh it's garrick again cool that i mean that

00:08:16.180 --> 00:08:18.379
one is so ex because that one's also doubles

00:08:18.379 --> 00:08:20.300
it's just like right you just wasted my time

00:08:20.300 --> 00:08:25.540
with all this now yeah yeah i'll say go start

00:08:25.540 --> 00:08:28.860
with the imperial of man like i will put my hat

00:08:28.860 --> 00:08:32.240
in the ring and say like if you ever read or

00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:35.360
if someone listened to eisenhorn law There's

00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.279
a thing you get when you're with like normal

00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.720
inquisitor characters or like human characters,

00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.720
which like it very well establishes like this

00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.840
is a churning war machine. And most people live

00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.539
in, you know, basically hive cities, which we

00:08:50.539 --> 00:08:53.460
know to be obviously like a city. And then you

00:08:53.460 --> 00:08:55.080
put another city on top of the city and then

00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.259
the city is so big that sunlight doesn't reach

00:08:57.259 --> 00:09:00.250
the bottom of the first city underneath. Other

00:09:00.250 --> 00:09:03.490
city, people eat protein made of other people,

00:09:03.669 --> 00:09:08.669
like protein gruel bars, you know. And I think

00:09:08.669 --> 00:09:10.950
to that Darktide, you know, people have played

00:09:10.950 --> 00:09:13.490
Darktide. That gets across quite well. I think

00:09:13.490 --> 00:09:17.590
the established tone of Warhammer, but they've

00:09:17.590 --> 00:09:21.830
almost eased off a bit in terms of the Imperium

00:09:21.830 --> 00:09:27.230
of Man. I'd say the... disregard for human life

00:09:27.230 --> 00:09:29.909
as in like they there's a bit too more of like

00:09:29.909 --> 00:09:33.149
in some way like you get the impression like

00:09:33.149 --> 00:09:36.789
they value people again which is like a very

00:09:36.789 --> 00:09:41.470
uh like horrors heresy 30k mindset like you know

00:09:41.470 --> 00:09:44.370
return of gilliman all that stuff so the first

00:09:44.370 --> 00:09:46.870
thing i would do is you need to have more characters

00:09:46.870 --> 00:09:49.649
and more stories of like normal humans who you're

00:09:49.649 --> 00:09:53.110
willing to kill off a hundred percent willing

00:09:53.110 --> 00:09:57.129
to kill like but also ones where people die just

00:09:57.129 --> 00:10:01.990
because because the thing is like i i think one

00:10:01.990 --> 00:10:03.669
of the reasons that game of thrones lost its

00:10:03.669 --> 00:10:05.769
charm as like the biggest show on television

00:10:05.769 --> 00:10:08.429
at the time and like i watched all of the series

00:10:08.429 --> 00:10:10.549
as they came out from about season three so i

00:10:10.549 --> 00:10:12.149
had like a few to catch up and i really loved

00:10:12.149 --> 00:10:15.110
it when we were in dublin me and colin and i

00:10:15.110 --> 00:10:17.129
think eli were chatting about like i think you

00:10:17.129 --> 00:10:18.590
and you and eli hadn't watched it you're like

00:10:18.590 --> 00:10:21.149
oh it's like no it's good fun but then after

00:10:21.149 --> 00:10:25.490
like season four it lost the charm of anyone

00:10:25.490 --> 00:10:28.590
could die sean dean died and then it was like

00:10:28.590 --> 00:10:31.529
yeah but tyrian's not gonna die and cersei's

00:10:31.529 --> 00:10:34.350
not gonna die until the last episode and but

00:10:34.350 --> 00:10:37.350
and it's like and then they went again writing

00:10:37.350 --> 00:10:39.970
then they added the bad writing it was just like

00:10:41.629 --> 00:10:44.250
The problem is it betrayed its own ethos and

00:10:44.250 --> 00:10:47.669
therefore it fell by the wayside. But using that

00:10:47.669 --> 00:10:50.570
as like a ballpark, which characters could you

00:10:50.570 --> 00:10:52.669
really kill off in Warhammer without causing

00:10:52.669 --> 00:10:54.309
a kerfuffle for the Space Marines? Because I

00:10:54.309 --> 00:10:56.870
feel like if you killed Dante, people would have

00:10:56.870 --> 00:10:58.970
an uproar. They'd be like, no, his whole thing

00:10:58.970 --> 00:11:01.549
is that he's long -suffering and he's like the

00:11:01.549 --> 00:11:02.990
oldest Space Marine, so you can't kill him. It's

00:11:02.990 --> 00:11:05.490
like, okay, can we kill Bjorn? No, because he's

00:11:05.490 --> 00:11:07.669
the same, but he's a Dreadnought. Okay, can we

00:11:07.669 --> 00:11:10.049
kill Maneus Kalgar now that... we take gilliam's

00:11:10.049 --> 00:11:12.210
back oh no he's a classic you can't kill marneus

00:11:12.210 --> 00:11:16.049
okay you could certainly kill him i said but

00:11:16.049 --> 00:11:21.169
starting with just the imperium of mankind the

00:11:21.169 --> 00:11:25.389
amount that inquisitor books do so well in like

00:11:25.389 --> 00:11:29.429
painting the like the absolute horror that is

00:11:29.429 --> 00:11:31.289
the most do you know do you know it really doesn't

00:11:31.289 --> 00:11:34.769
get across anymore in um it's i think it's an

00:11:34.769 --> 00:11:36.289
issue with the imperial man where like when gilliman

00:11:36.289 --> 00:11:41.539
returns Is this still the most, in quotes, cruelest,

00:11:41.539 --> 00:11:46.539
most bloodiest regime imaginable? Does that still

00:11:46.539 --> 00:11:49.360
ring true? I think Gilliman's return has taken

00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:51.419
a bit of that off because his whole thing is

00:11:51.419 --> 00:11:54.799
he wants to change the status quo. But I don't

00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.120
think we've seen enough of, no, Gilliman, that's

00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:00.360
not possible anymore. You have to be like the

00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.850
rest of the Imperium. curb stomp a child or whatever

00:12:03.850 --> 00:12:05.929
they do in the imperium it's like at a certain

00:12:05.929 --> 00:12:08.889
point it's like this is the grim the grim dark

00:12:08.889 --> 00:12:12.389
future if we have too much i'm just going to

00:12:12.389 --> 00:12:15.570
be a good boy and have no repercussions for just

00:12:15.570 --> 00:12:18.629
being overpowered and therefore i can circumvent

00:12:18.629 --> 00:12:22.690
the the the grim necessity of it i guess that's

00:12:22.690 --> 00:12:24.750
where it's going to fall flat and i feel like

00:12:25.340 --> 00:12:27.500
god blight you know he's he's like oh i've been

00:12:27.500 --> 00:12:30.460
inhabited by the emperor and oh look at me and

00:12:30.460 --> 00:12:33.100
i liked how in the 10th edition trailer with

00:12:33.100 --> 00:12:35.179
temptation where they were like oh we're not

00:12:35.179 --> 00:12:37.600
going to get victory against the tyrannous i'm

00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.820
like that's a good yes yes i like that but then

00:12:41.820 --> 00:12:44.700
since then it's like oh we're going back to armageddon

00:12:44.700 --> 00:12:46.379
i guess we're going to save armageddon again

00:12:46.379 --> 00:12:49.120
we're not going to let that planet die Please

00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.320
let that planet die. I want Armageddon burned.

00:12:51.580 --> 00:12:54.639
I want it destroyed. I want it cored. I want

00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:57.379
it to be peeled like an orange. I want it to

00:12:57.379 --> 00:13:00.379
be scattered. No more of that. Get rid of Armageddon.

00:13:00.419 --> 00:13:03.779
We're done with Armageddon, please. Katie's gone.

00:13:06.100 --> 00:13:07.940
It's the same thing when Armageddon happens.

00:13:08.580 --> 00:13:12.159
I would say an improvement to make something

00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:14.620
a bit more grimdark is actually be brave enough

00:13:14.620 --> 00:13:19.659
as well to let... con like with like um imperial

00:13:19.659 --> 00:13:22.200
like you know uh army books or other stuff that

00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.840
was like a campaign books that come out like

00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:27.539
you would say like once again we revisit armageddon

00:13:27.539 --> 00:13:32.320
like armageddon is like we've been sort of getting

00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:34.700
to the point here like it's been cheapened and

00:13:34.700 --> 00:13:37.820
i almost like it's also like a billion people

00:13:37.820 --> 00:13:40.639
you know three billion died in armageddon i kind

00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:46.360
of go there's no tactical value it's just out

00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.360
of spite and we we don't even have the steel

00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.159
legion it's cadians and um like kriegers i'm

00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:54.679
like just let it die then let it die we don't

00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:58.759
need any more armageddon i mean the cadians are

00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.159
still here so yeah they just have so many void

00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:02.919
born they're like we can stick it out it's fine

00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:05.899
but here's the crazy thing right hal i'm i'm

00:14:05.899 --> 00:14:08.379
positioning this to you and i'm waiting for colin's

00:14:08.379 --> 00:14:12.580
reaction on this Is it about time how we let

00:14:12.580 --> 00:14:15.879
the first of the founding chapters die? Let's

00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.379
just say the Iron Hands die. What about we let

00:14:18.379 --> 00:14:20.000
the Iron Hands die and then the Sons of Medusa

00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.960
could take up the mantle? I would agree, but

00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:30.159
change one specific group in that. Let them Imperial

00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.200
Fists die so the Black Templars reign supreme.

00:14:33.899 --> 00:14:36.480
Because that is grimdark. Because the Black Templars

00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.330
are like the worst. but like in the heresy they

00:14:39.330 --> 00:14:42.529
they make a point to say like you turned us in

00:14:42.529 --> 00:14:45.549
like into the black templars yeah karn gets a

00:14:45.549 --> 00:14:47.929
vision of the black templars is like damn that's

00:14:47.929 --> 00:14:52.389
messed up that ain't right yeah so the only reason

00:14:52.389 --> 00:14:54.509
i say that is because i'm like iron hands if

00:14:54.509 --> 00:14:56.850
they died it would be like it would be like all

00:14:56.850 --> 00:14:59.809
right finally won that but also like their suffering

00:14:59.809 --> 00:15:02.289
is finally over then the more a schism could

00:15:02.289 --> 00:15:04.129
have a bit of birth you have a new color scheme

00:15:04.129 --> 00:15:07.139
with like a not neon green but it's different

00:15:07.139 --> 00:15:09.799
than caliban or salamanders green they're not

00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.220
going to blend in with the raven guard you add

00:15:12.220 --> 00:15:15.179
stakes of oh a first founding chapter died that's

00:15:15.179 --> 00:15:17.279
never happened before because you can't do it

00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:19.000
to the blood angels you can't do it to the ultramarines

00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:20.639
you can't do it to the white scars i will not

00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.580
let you so like iron hands can go on the chopping

00:15:23.580 --> 00:15:29.679
block and then yeah maybe but i'll save my opinion

00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:31.740
more for like when we get to the Space Marine

00:15:31.740 --> 00:15:35.820
segment on that, because I have iron hand opinions.

00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.019
I wish to really vent there. But I think for

00:15:39.019 --> 00:15:42.320
the Imperium of Man, the other part I'd add in

00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:45.299
here is there's another sub -faction we could

00:15:45.299 --> 00:15:48.200
talk about very quickly, which is, I would say

00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.740
like Adeptus Mechanicus kind of do Grimdark quite

00:15:51.740 --> 00:15:56.539
well so far. again, like they should embrace

00:15:56.539 --> 00:15:59.440
a bit more of like, I hope they do more dark

00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:01.820
mechanic and stuff in the 11th. Like we get,

00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.360
I think there's a particular thing of grim dark

00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:06.580
that doesn't happen as much is what's called

00:16:06.580 --> 00:16:11.399
like the body horror of it. And the, like, you

00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:12.960
know, when people are learning about a space

00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:14.919
Marine, they're supposed to get across that.

00:16:14.980 --> 00:16:17.220
Like when someone's turned into a space Marine,

00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.700
they're not like a custodian where like, they're

00:16:19.700 --> 00:16:22.259
still like a human, but like larger and perfectly

00:16:22.259 --> 00:16:25.840
sculpted. A Space Marine needs to be, like, ugly.

00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:31.340
And... Apart from Blood Angels. Well, they could

00:16:31.340 --> 00:16:33.440
be, like, horrifically beautiful, you know what

00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.940
I mean? But the Edessa's Mechanicus stuff could,

00:16:37.100 --> 00:16:39.159
like, if you see on their Codex, like, covers,

00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.899
they actually have some things like that. But

00:16:41.899 --> 00:16:45.299
they need to do more, like, why don't the Mechanicus

00:16:45.299 --> 00:16:47.940
have more things that are, like, penitent engines?

00:16:49.289 --> 00:16:51.470
like generally like you you think for the faction

00:16:51.470 --> 00:16:54.549
that cares so little for humans they would do

00:16:54.549 --> 00:16:57.789
something even more effed up well one thing i

00:16:57.789 --> 00:17:00.169
found was strange with the there's been a recent

00:17:00.169 --> 00:17:03.490
dawn of war 4 trailer about the mechanicus commanders

00:17:03.490 --> 00:17:06.569
you get and one's a scutari one one's like a

00:17:06.569 --> 00:17:09.569
magos but they're both just kind of like humanoid

00:17:09.569 --> 00:17:13.069
and i thought surely one of them could be a beetle

00:17:13.690 --> 00:17:15.890
And one of them's even like, oh, she can get

00:17:15.890 --> 00:17:18.150
like a plasma incinerator, all this. It's like,

00:17:18.190 --> 00:17:21.009
well, surely she can have six legs. That's very

00:17:21.009 --> 00:17:23.609
Mechanicus -y. Get some bio -horror, like, yeah,

00:17:23.690 --> 00:17:26.349
like body horror going. Let's make the Mechanicus

00:17:26.349 --> 00:17:29.430
not just metal -y. Make her into the General

00:17:29.430 --> 00:17:33.450
Grievous rolling holy disc. Do something. Turn

00:17:33.450 --> 00:17:37.519
her into this beautiful wheel. Not even him turn

00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.480
her into the wheel. Yeah, roly -poly across the

00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:42.900
battlefield. Terrain bonus. Good. Rather than,

00:17:42.900 --> 00:17:46.180
I just have legs. And it's like, sometimes we

00:17:46.180 --> 00:17:48.480
get another banger like that. Like the Mechanicus,

00:17:48.579 --> 00:17:52.200
like the tech priest that's all bloated and fat

00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:54.380
and he's kind of gross looking. That model's

00:17:54.380 --> 00:17:58.599
cool. Can we get more of him? Even the lady who's

00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:03.190
now in the brand new... just just end of 10th

00:18:03.190 --> 00:18:05.750
edition stuff with armageddon i think it is she's

00:18:05.750 --> 00:18:09.470
like the uh order reductor like scion i'm like

00:18:09.470 --> 00:18:11.670
for a person who's all like my thing is about

00:18:11.670 --> 00:18:14.130
being a weapon of war she could look a lot more

00:18:14.130 --> 00:18:16.589
like messed up with like guns everywhere it's

00:18:16.589 --> 00:18:19.230
like come on go crazy this is the mechanic this

00:18:19.230 --> 00:18:21.170
is warhammer go crazy that's the whole thing

00:18:21.170 --> 00:18:24.690
we got walking cathedrals come on give us something

00:18:24.690 --> 00:18:27.109
crazy i think that's also a good part as well

00:18:27.109 --> 00:18:30.619
like the the kind of weird part about the grim

00:18:30.619 --> 00:18:34.359
dart future is also it's a uh what's the word

00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:36.119
like it's not it's not the vatican but it's like

00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:40.480
a religious holy state as well like the the mechanic

00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:43.339
is unknown obviously for worshiping the machine

00:18:43.339 --> 00:18:47.700
god why is there not like a big ass altar like

00:18:47.700 --> 00:18:50.700
why are these guys not going into battle chanting

00:18:50.700 --> 00:18:54.299
their their binaric hymns with some horrific

00:18:54.299 --> 00:18:58.319
display of like you know man and machine combined

00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:01.819
into some like this should be a again i think

00:19:01.819 --> 00:19:04.940
maybe embracing on the mechanical side more of

00:19:04.940 --> 00:19:07.640
that their lack of humanity or like humanity

00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:12.059
twisted into some weird like mix together rather

00:19:12.059 --> 00:19:15.039
than just guy in red robe priest and he has a

00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.880
bionic eye like you can go harder than that There's

00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:20.140
even a bit I've been I read through the Lysander

00:19:20.140 --> 00:19:21.740
stuff and there was a bit there in a Starfort

00:19:21.740 --> 00:19:25.240
and it talks about how the data like hive where

00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:28.279
the machine spirit lives has all these like Mechanicus

00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:30.660
people plugged into it who are like shriveled

00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:32.779
prunes and they're all just they're kind of like

00:19:32.779 --> 00:19:36.640
and then when this like virus attacks they all

00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:38.599
shrivel up and die as like a protective measure

00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:40.700
and they start to like wither instantly and turn

00:19:40.700 --> 00:19:44.079
to dust. I'm like we could have like a like a

00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:48.200
Mechanicus 5G tower. with a bunch of tech priests

00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:50.539
plugged in, and they could all be praying to

00:19:50.539 --> 00:19:54.180
their antenna, and you could have a weird thing,

00:19:54.779 --> 00:19:57.440
where it's like, this is weird and horrific.

00:19:57.700 --> 00:20:01.019
Man on stilts with gun is fun. Don't get me wrong.

00:20:01.220 --> 00:20:04.339
I do love that. I do love that guy. I love that

00:20:04.339 --> 00:20:06.720
mini, but also, could we have some more of that,

00:20:06.779 --> 00:20:09.579
but also crazier? Could we have some roly -poly

00:20:09.579 --> 00:20:13.490
guys, like General Grievous? Please, go on. It's

00:20:13.490 --> 00:20:15.650
the thing of like when people are into Warhammer

00:20:15.650 --> 00:20:17.890
for quite a long time. Well, I've been playing

00:20:17.890 --> 00:20:20.470
Warhammer for a while. All those people don't

00:20:20.470 --> 00:20:22.730
end up playing Space Marines. And there's a reason

00:20:22.730 --> 00:20:25.829
for that, which is at some point the Space Marine

00:20:25.829 --> 00:20:28.369
feels like too safe. Do you know what I mean?

00:20:28.410 --> 00:20:31.529
Like it's such a safe choice and it doesn't embrace

00:20:31.529 --> 00:20:35.710
the wackiness and the horrifying nature of like,

00:20:35.769 --> 00:20:37.390
I remember when I was learning about Warhammer

00:20:37.390 --> 00:20:40.029
years ago, I think it was like a Luton video

00:20:40.029 --> 00:20:43.940
where like he mentions how they refill. a uh

00:20:43.940 --> 00:20:47.099
ship and there's a guy who has to go out in the

00:20:47.099 --> 00:20:49.500
vacuum of space with like a special suit on and

00:20:49.500 --> 00:20:51.819
he has to like like he's dying by the second

00:20:51.819 --> 00:20:54.140
just to plug in this like he there's not enough

00:20:54.140 --> 00:20:56.980
of like someone needs to die in a horrific way

00:20:56.980 --> 00:21:01.519
for no reason at all That's only what Grimdark

00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:04.119
comes out to be. You need to have a book where

00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:06.720
it talks about a void ship when it runs out of

00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:10.779
fuel to power its engines. It just chucks labor

00:21:10.779 --> 00:21:13.400
serfs into it to keep the fire going just because

00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:15.400
they have so many of them. They're like, ah,

00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.460
it's fine. Chuck Kevin in there. Go on. Why not?

00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.880
Just needlessly cruel, needlessly barbaric and

00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:25.109
silly. Because that's the thing. It was like,

00:21:25.190 --> 00:21:27.529
ah, well, what's the sanctity of life? Never

00:21:27.529 --> 00:21:29.630
heard of it. Because I think these days it's

00:21:29.630 --> 00:21:32.630
more like, you can be like Astra Militarum, man

00:21:32.630 --> 00:21:36.829
with gun, times 100 ,000. That works. But man

00:21:36.829 --> 00:21:39.170
with gun, when it's Mechanicus, it's just really

00:21:39.170 --> 00:21:42.170
unimaginative. It's like, man with a crazy gun?

00:21:42.450 --> 00:21:46.109
It's like, ah. Can't he just have like, maybe

00:21:46.109 --> 00:21:48.549
he could put his hands into the ground and it

00:21:48.549 --> 00:21:51.200
connects with like... the Wi -Fi cables, and

00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:52.960
then he can, like, be a network, and he becomes,

00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:54.859
like, an outpost that signals, like, a broadcast,

00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:56.539
and a big speak comes out of his mouth. Like,

00:21:56.579 --> 00:21:58.960
can I do something crazy? Can I do, like, body

00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:00.940
horror and weird stuff? It's like, no, man, with

00:22:00.940 --> 00:22:04.079
a gribbly gun. Okay. Do you know what it is?

00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:06.259
The issue, just on the appearing of man stuff,

00:22:06.579 --> 00:22:09.440
the disconnect is not, like, because when you

00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:12.279
go through Warhammer lore, it's still, like,

00:22:12.380 --> 00:22:16.099
grimdark. It's not really changed too much. But

00:22:16.099 --> 00:22:19.059
the... you know, people were, you know, there's

00:22:19.059 --> 00:22:20.359
obviously some instances where that's wrong,

00:22:20.500 --> 00:22:26.140
but the visual language has changed from Grindr.

00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.160
And I know that's coming from a company who once

00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:31.160
had like goblin green bases and then like, they're

00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:33.420
very brightly colored, you know, they're almost

00:22:33.420 --> 00:22:36.359
like plastic toys. Well, they are plastic toys,

00:22:36.460 --> 00:22:40.599
but like there was an era where that was not

00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:43.539
the case too. The issue is like the visual language,

00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.690
like, you know, we look at like codecs. the front

00:22:46.690 --> 00:22:50.990
car of that that's not the model you get like

00:22:50.990 --> 00:22:54.410
the the codex arts are often grimdark but then

00:22:54.410 --> 00:22:58.509
the actual model is like quite clean so i think

00:22:58.509 --> 00:22:59.930
that's where the disconnect is like you need

00:22:59.930 --> 00:23:04.630
to uh basically let law have more of an influence

00:23:04.630 --> 00:23:08.289
on the design characters or tabletop stuff like

00:23:08.289 --> 00:23:09.730
particularly for the imperium of man because

00:23:09.730 --> 00:23:12.930
if they expand out the inquisition stuff that

00:23:12.930 --> 00:23:15.730
better have some like crazy stuff in it like

00:23:15.730 --> 00:23:19.529
they have demon hosts classic early you know

00:23:19.529 --> 00:23:23.130
eisenhorn law established is the fact that people

00:23:23.130 --> 00:23:26.150
have demon hosts that they i think they removed

00:23:26.150 --> 00:23:30.309
it you couldn't once the um imperial agents became

00:23:30.309 --> 00:23:33.329
an army you couldn't have demon hosts which obviously

00:23:33.329 --> 00:23:34.970
is like crazy stuff you know that's one of the

00:23:34.970 --> 00:23:37.069
craziest things in there was like a person's

00:23:37.069 --> 00:23:39.289
body then possessed by a demon they're damning

00:23:39.289 --> 00:23:44.210
their soul forever so yeah yeah basically You

00:23:44.210 --> 00:23:47.029
know what I mean? Match the lore, we'll say for

00:23:47.029 --> 00:23:49.269
now. Before we get any further, though, should

00:23:49.269 --> 00:23:52.710
we get to the first? Yes, let's do that. Would

00:23:52.710 --> 00:23:54.589
you like to read this one, Hal? Well, of course.

00:23:54.690 --> 00:23:57.349
I mean, Hal, this one's to all of you. Thank

00:23:57.349 --> 00:23:59.930
you, brother. Every stream, thank you. DonkeyManUSA

00:23:59.930 --> 00:24:02.730
for five bucks, man. Thank you. You're a loyal

00:24:02.730 --> 00:24:06.829
companion, brother. Stream late due to Hal ironing

00:24:06.829 --> 00:24:11.009
his warrior till he demonculabas. I didn't need

00:24:11.009 --> 00:24:16.670
it. read that, but we did. All will wear a green

00:24:16.670 --> 00:24:19.049
hat in three weeks for two. I hope you all got

00:24:19.049 --> 00:24:21.970
your hats ready. I know I've got mine. You've

00:24:21.970 --> 00:24:25.009
seen mine. I already own a green hat. So good.

00:24:25.109 --> 00:24:29.109
So good. Russell, hold on a second. He's slipping.

00:24:30.970 --> 00:24:35.089
You can't see him. Hey, bud. You okay? That's

00:24:35.089 --> 00:24:38.009
the dog. He's just kind of there. He's just kind

00:24:38.009 --> 00:24:43.039
of chilling. There he is. He's nearby. There's

00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:46.059
the loaf of bread on the floor. He's loafing

00:24:46.059 --> 00:24:51.660
around. Wait a minute. Yes! My unlimited power

00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:57.000
is coming in handy. There you go. There you go.

00:24:58.420 --> 00:25:03.500
Do you want this one, Colin? Sure. TomNomNom27.

00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.099
Member for 16 months. Thank you. 40k is already

00:25:07.099 --> 00:25:10.650
maximum grimdark because no boing gob. He was

00:25:10.650 --> 00:25:17.490
too bright for this. Damn. I misread that name

00:25:17.490 --> 00:25:20.349
as giant robot feet. I think I need to get outside.

00:25:21.990 --> 00:25:28.809
He's obviously the OCD giant robot fan for 20

00:25:28.809 --> 00:25:31.369
bucks. Thank you, man. How do you guys feel about

00:25:31.369 --> 00:25:35.170
Russ coming back with the wolf goddess Aisha

00:25:35.170 --> 00:25:39.380
who keeps Big E alive longer on who keeps Big

00:25:39.380 --> 00:25:42.720
E alive longer on life support, hangs out with

00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.400
the wolves to forget Nurgle, and hates Eldar

00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.279
for not banning together to rescue her. Can we

00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:51.960
leave the Eldar plotlines to the Eldar, please?

00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:56.740
Because that's so much to ask. That was a sentence

00:25:56.740 --> 00:25:59.299
you put there. Also, they did try and ban together

00:25:59.299 --> 00:26:01.920
to rescue her once. They invaded Nurgle's garden.

00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.720
It didn't work because they invaded Nurgle's

00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:09.470
garden. Yeah, and now a quarter of it was on

00:26:09.470 --> 00:26:12.490
fire because of the emperor being like, ligma

00:26:12.490 --> 00:26:18.430
balls, and there is that. The fact that you called

00:26:18.430 --> 00:26:22.490
her the wolf goddess is crazy. He's already shipping

00:26:22.490 --> 00:26:29.450
them, that's why. Evil. This is for you, Colin.

00:26:31.829 --> 00:26:38.039
Hgrim2773, thank you for the fiver. Man, Colin,

00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:40.579
your pancreas may not work, but my colon blew

00:26:40.579 --> 00:26:43.240
up on me Wednesday. Still in hospital. Hope y

00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:45.700
'all are well. I hope you're okay, dude. I hope

00:26:45.700 --> 00:26:49.980
you're doing well. Jesus Christ, man. I hope

00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:52.680
you're doing alright, brother. It blew up on

00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:56.440
me, Jesus. There's no one for you, Colin, here.

00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:02.619
Ooh. In between, I'm trying to find the name

00:27:02.619 --> 00:27:04.799
of something. It'll come up later in the episode.

00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:08.759
I'm trying to find this name so badly. But until

00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.460
then, look back, let retro. Thank you for the

00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:13.660
fiver. To Colin, have you read Void's Garden?

00:27:13.779 --> 00:27:16.299
If so, what are your thoughts? As my first Eldar

00:27:16.299 --> 00:27:18.079
book, I liked it, but I heard Craftworld fans

00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:24.279
didn't like it. I have not read it yet. I've

00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:26.039
heard good things about it. I am afraid that

00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:28.519
it does kind of end there for my input. Andy,

00:27:28.700 --> 00:27:34.119
have you read it? No. I have not read it, and

00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:38.880
I've heard that might be the last we get of Elves

00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.900
for a long time. Let's just put it that way.

00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:46.079
Was it bad? I don't think that's a factor. I

00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:48.700
just think if people don't buy it, it doesn't

00:27:48.700 --> 00:27:51.000
matter if it's good or bad. As far as what I've

00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.400
heard, it's like... Could have been the best

00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:55.759
Eldar book we've ever had. Doesn't matter, no

00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:57.859
one bought it. As far as I've heard, anyway.

00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:03.019
Sorry Colin, I don't know. It's fine, it's fine.

00:28:03.259 --> 00:28:06.240
I've accepted that fantasy and AOS are where

00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:10.779
I get my elf fix. Oh, Mr Townsend. Good to see

00:28:10.779 --> 00:28:12.740
you again, buddy. We're two Australians. Greetings

00:28:12.740 --> 00:28:14.980
from Australia, friends. How you doing, buddy?

00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.779
Are there more snake tales? I hope there are.

00:28:20.410 --> 00:28:23.329
Donkey Man USA again for five bucks. Thank you,

00:28:23.329 --> 00:28:26.589
man. GW brought back Yari because otherwise they'd

00:28:26.589 --> 00:28:33.069
lose their Yowie enthusiast demographic. Well,

00:28:33.069 --> 00:28:37.809
no. The throne corpse begins to grow a meaty

00:28:37.809 --> 00:28:43.410
wet moss. We don't got to put the flood on the

00:28:43.410 --> 00:28:49.869
golden throne. No. The girthy flood. What? Nothing.

00:28:51.289 --> 00:28:55.630
All wear a green hat in three weeks. If GW has

00:28:55.630 --> 00:28:58.470
to kill a faction for Grimm, it'd be a Xenos

00:28:58.470 --> 00:29:04.089
one. Yeah, they would. Send the Botan into Hell's

00:29:04.089 --> 00:29:08.349
Anus. They are Xenos, apparently. They're currently

00:29:08.349 --> 00:29:10.849
a Xenos faction, apparently. They're in the Xenos

00:29:10.849 --> 00:29:16.220
faction on GW's store. Got this one, Hal? Mr.

00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.640
Townsend again. 20 Austrian. Thank you, man.

00:29:19.099 --> 00:29:22.019
What if either a loyalist Primarch just gives

00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:25.059
up and self -deletes themselves in front of their

00:29:25.059 --> 00:29:29.500
sons, or Vicky wakes up and goes on to kill his

00:29:29.500 --> 00:29:32.240
own Imperium and screw it big time to start again,

00:29:32.420 --> 00:29:36.259
but this time no sons. That's a crazy first part.

00:29:36.259 --> 00:29:38.380
I gotta be honest. I feel like all the Primarchs

00:29:38.380 --> 00:29:39.980
would be too arrogant to think that they couldn't

00:29:39.980 --> 00:29:41.839
fix something. They'd be like, no, I can sort

00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.170
it. That's their thing. I can fix it. i guess

00:29:45.170 --> 00:29:47.690
it would make me you know i would have like you

00:29:47.690 --> 00:29:50.890
know i what is it schadenfreude like just you

00:29:50.890 --> 00:29:54.230
know laugh at you know other people's unhappiness

00:29:54.230 --> 00:30:00.650
of like rogal dorn comes back and just sucks

00:30:00.650 --> 00:30:04.450
starts a bolter oh good one's like ah is this

00:30:04.450 --> 00:30:11.670
the state of the imperium i have this i have

00:30:11.670 --> 00:30:14.480
this visual now like the Black Templars and the

00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.119
Imperial Fists are like, oh my god, he's returned,

00:30:17.259 --> 00:30:20.420
he's returned. And then there's just Rogald dangling

00:30:20.420 --> 00:30:26.200
around the room. What do you like about Rogald

00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.740
Dorn? He knew how to make a noose. It's like

00:30:29.740 --> 00:30:32.200
that family guy bit where he's like, goodnight,

00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.599
Chris. And then he's like, goodnight, Meg. And

00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:39.869
Meg's hanging from the ceiling. this is dawn

00:30:39.869 --> 00:30:44.410
like slapping around the room we've got a rather

00:30:44.410 --> 00:30:48.190
girthy donation here for wow 1984 for 49 .99

00:30:48.190 --> 00:30:51.869
thank you very much for grim derp change how

00:30:51.869 --> 00:30:54.990
the orcs reproduce will not elaborate for necrons

00:30:54.990 --> 00:30:56.970
treat the flare virus like the hollowing in dark

00:30:56.970 --> 00:31:00.289
souls for eldi i'm not sure humans make the dark

00:31:00.289 --> 00:31:02.069
king slowly influence humanity as the golden

00:31:02.069 --> 00:31:04.569
throne breaks down uh well we already know that

00:31:04.569 --> 00:31:08.740
you're smex is gross because grotsnick is like

00:31:08.740 --> 00:31:12.960
it's grim yeah so many fluids I don't know like

00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:18.980
that I don't know if the Orcs need to bang but

00:31:18.980 --> 00:31:21.160
that is a I do like the idea of like the Orcs

00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.740
being a bit more like the Orcs just like to fight

00:31:23.740 --> 00:31:26.039
but they could there's like um you know what's

00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:31.420
the uh Crimson Fist novel uh Rinsworld Rinsworld

00:31:31.420 --> 00:31:34.220
remember in that bit Andy where like the that

00:31:34.220 --> 00:31:38.559
family and they're watching oh yeah and then

00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.420
like three but the the orcs are like playing

00:31:41.420 --> 00:31:43.759
with like the weak human like they pick him up

00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:45.519
and it's like hover him over the fire and stuff

00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:47.359
like yeah there could be more instances of like

00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.200
the orcs being a bit more cruel you know i mean

00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.960
rather than just you know i mean but they don't

00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:57.819
usually torture people but as i feel like orc

00:31:57.819 --> 00:32:00.119
should only be comic relief when it's a pov from

00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.740
an orc if it's anyone else it should be the most

00:32:02.740 --> 00:32:05.460
horrific like they have no mercy they don't care

00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:08.880
about pain again they they put this guy's feet

00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:10.839
on the fire and they giggle while he's setting

00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:13.000
a fire from the feet up it's like they're horrible

00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.079
they eat people alive they do all sorts like

00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:18.099
orcs terrifying only from an orc's perspective

00:32:18.099 --> 00:32:21.769
should they be like funny because from there

00:32:21.769 --> 00:32:24.950
it's like that that pyro cinematic from tf2 where

00:32:24.950 --> 00:32:26.670
it's the same with the bubble machine like and

00:32:26.670 --> 00:32:29.809
then like everyone else is on fire screaming

00:32:29.809 --> 00:32:32.269
in a shantytown like that's that's how it should

00:32:32.269 --> 00:32:35.890
be necrons like the hollowing from dark souls

00:32:35.890 --> 00:32:40.190
a really good idea though thank you a lot of

00:32:40.190 --> 00:32:44.369
money by the way thank you so much and the dark

00:32:44.369 --> 00:32:46.450
king so the influence humanity of the golden

00:32:46.450 --> 00:32:51.480
that is a good idea as well i love it And Grey

00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:58.380
Boss. Grey Boss. What if the Eldari die saving

00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:05.160
us from Purdy? Thanks. He hates that. Colin couldn't

00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:12.579
hate that anymore. There's nothing. The last

00:33:12.579 --> 00:33:14.900
one from Zenon says Grimdark come back in the

00:33:14.900 --> 00:33:21.019
form of consequences. That is an eerie tale.

00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:26.599
So, guys, moving on to the next group. Well,

00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:28.200
basically, we're still in the Imperium because

00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.299
we're finally going to talk about Space Marines.

00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:36.779
Space Marines themselves. Space Marines. I do

00:33:36.779 --> 00:33:41.579
like thinking back to the iconic Dark Crusade

00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:46.000
voice actor guy. The guy is like, you know, the

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.420
Horus Heresy. It is Kronos. The Horus Heresy

00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:51.819
was a long time ago, and I believe that the orcs

00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:55.359
are all gits, and I hate them. The space marines

00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:57.539
are lovely. You should kiss them on the mouth.

00:33:58.180 --> 00:34:01.440
Kronos. God, that guy does, like, that's, like,

00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:04.000
that's one of my favorite things in, like, video

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.019
games. It's like, the Horus Heresy was 3 ,000

00:34:07.019 --> 00:34:10.340
years, and the word bearers were a bunch of weeaboos.

00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:16.599
We should kill them. Hmm. The town made all of

00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.679
the people sterile. Actually, surprisingly, not

00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.900
far off there. You should do a whole video, Hal,

00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:25.739
one of your multi -hour ones, just doing an impression

00:34:25.739 --> 00:34:29.300
of him. You know what I used to do, Andy? I used

00:34:29.300 --> 00:34:30.719
to have a three -hour video of me just shouting

00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:35.619
Scotland for three hours. Scotland forever. I

00:34:35.619 --> 00:34:40.860
love that. Space Marines, though, because I...

00:34:41.659 --> 00:34:43.380
got the impression when i was younger i have

00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:47.980
a even from the um the poster of what is um the

00:34:47.980 --> 00:34:51.179
battle for mccragg well i've said it before i

00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:52.960
have the battle of mccragg's set i've got the

00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.699
um which tyrannic war is that one again is that

00:34:55.699 --> 00:35:02.119
the third the first tyrannic war and i have this

00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.239
artwork of kalgar and like that infamous last

00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.639
stand or not last time but like it's designed

00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.139
to be looking like that it's and space means

00:35:13.139 --> 00:35:16.039
the amount that they get across like the visual

00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:19.639
language like it's a grim dark universe is so

00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:23.039
cool because i think particularly the equipment

00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.699
that they all have what's happened with like

00:35:25.699 --> 00:35:28.920
the primaris marines is like the kind i guess

00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.460
they're trying to somewhat fix it now which is

00:35:31.460 --> 00:35:35.380
like 40k when it's first born they all have like

00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.739
All their things are relics. Do you know that

00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:40.579
iconic artwork of all of the Ultramen lined up

00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:42.900
as a chapter? And they have that chaplain walking

00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:47.079
down the line. And its tone is so gritty and

00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.539
it looks horrific. And I think they need to...

00:35:50.539 --> 00:35:54.699
You don't really see as many space marine recruitment

00:35:54.699 --> 00:35:58.159
stories as much anymore. Which I always liked.

00:35:58.570 --> 00:36:00.849
anytime I'm in like I'm learning about a space

00:36:00.849 --> 00:36:03.590
marine character like I like the Dante novels

00:36:03.590 --> 00:36:06.329
I like some of the other ones which you get to

00:36:06.329 --> 00:36:08.750
see them before they're space marines because

00:36:08.750 --> 00:36:11.090
then you get across how like horrible it is like

00:36:11.090 --> 00:36:13.969
when Dante is growing up on Baal and like there's

00:36:13.969 --> 00:36:15.989
these thousands of children who are basically

00:36:15.989 --> 00:36:20.570
competing to just get to the front door of like

00:36:20.570 --> 00:36:23.389
the trials and they go across like a whole desert

00:36:23.389 --> 00:36:26.010
and then they almost die and then there's a bit

00:36:26.010 --> 00:36:30.030
where like they all go to the um the top of this

00:36:30.030 --> 00:36:33.130
cliff and they like create like these fake wings

00:36:33.130 --> 00:36:35.829
so they yeah because that's the only way to get

00:36:35.829 --> 00:36:39.349
to like the angels landing area and they had

00:36:39.349 --> 00:36:43.070
to glide on these fake wings for like hours and

00:36:43.070 --> 00:36:45.389
like dante who's not dante yeah is describing

00:36:45.389 --> 00:36:48.789
it how when they yeah louise dante like when

00:36:48.789 --> 00:36:51.519
they're flying he's like my your arms start to

00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.099
go numb. And after a while, these predatory birds

00:36:55.099 --> 00:37:01.679
start picking off the kids in the water. It gets

00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.599
across of bloody hell, the amount they have to

00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.000
go through just to be a space marine. Even again,

00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.699
just because I've read all of it recently with

00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:13.760
Lysander, when it's like, how did he get his

00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:15.300
start? Well, we don't know much about his training,

00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:18.130
but he was on a pilgrim ship. and his entire

00:37:18.130 --> 00:37:20.849
family and all of his friends were murdered by

00:37:20.849 --> 00:37:23.650
a murderer on this ship on the way to Holy Terror.

00:37:24.030 --> 00:37:26.429
And then he survived that somehow. And then he

00:37:26.429 --> 00:37:28.730
was just gawking at the Pillar of Bone, where

00:37:28.730 --> 00:37:30.489
it's like the big monument to the Imperial Fists.

00:37:30.789 --> 00:37:32.590
And then a chaplain was just there, and he was

00:37:32.590 --> 00:37:37.769
just like, that's an Imperial Fist right there.

00:37:37.949 --> 00:37:40.650
I'm going to recruit him. Where have you come

00:37:40.650 --> 00:37:44.619
from? I just survived the most horrible expedition.

00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.760
Come here, you. Get in the chapter. Poor fella.

00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:53.260
Do you think, because Colin, you're not necessarily

00:37:53.260 --> 00:37:57.360
a Space Marine enjoyer, what kick do you not

00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:01.539
get out of Space Marines? Do you think they've

00:38:01.539 --> 00:38:06.380
lost their grim darkness and that kind of erodes

00:38:06.380 --> 00:38:09.750
any interest? I'm going to be honest. We're going

00:38:09.750 --> 00:38:12.389
to put aside games like Bolt Gun and Space Marine

00:38:12.389 --> 00:38:16.829
2 because those are for fun video game purposes,

00:38:17.050 --> 00:38:21.070
right? I'm not... I like those games, but I'm

00:38:21.070 --> 00:38:24.010
not... No one is playing Space Marine 2 for the

00:38:24.010 --> 00:38:27.630
Epictetus lore. I'm sorry. We are doing that

00:38:27.630 --> 00:38:29.869
to watch a tyranid get its head ripped off in

00:38:29.869 --> 00:38:32.210
50 creative ways over the course of an hour or

00:38:32.210 --> 00:38:38.800
so. But I... honestly i like space marines not

00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:43.000
as like background characters but not point of

00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.300
view because like there's they're like they're

00:38:45.300 --> 00:38:51.199
reprogrammed weapons of people and when we go

00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.199
to their point of view and they're just people

00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.539
but taller and bigger it's like i'm losing this

00:38:56.539 --> 00:39:00.440
like monast this idea of these monastic like

00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:03.360
monk like you know battle brothers who are still

00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:07.469
nonetheless beyond and also removed from humanity

00:39:07.469 --> 00:39:10.269
would you prefer them to be like a force of nature

00:39:10.269 --> 00:39:14.329
where they turn up yeah like not like not so

00:39:14.329 --> 00:39:17.949
unknowable as like you know like in in theory

00:39:17.949 --> 00:39:20.469
the eldar should be but like again like you are

00:39:20.469 --> 00:39:24.289
you are so separated from humanity that has been

00:39:24.289 --> 00:39:26.210
robbed of you because again they you know they

00:39:26.210 --> 00:39:28.889
are child soldiers because i gotta be honest

00:39:29.769 --> 00:39:32.250
I went through the race. I recently went through

00:39:32.250 --> 00:39:34.349
the first of the iron snakes books and I really

00:39:34.349 --> 00:39:36.150
liked how it's ADB. So, you know, it's going

00:39:36.150 --> 00:39:38.929
to be good. Yeah. And he did a really good job

00:39:38.929 --> 00:39:42.849
of establishing their home world, their rituals,

00:39:42.949 --> 00:39:46.469
their mindset. And then I started a dash, like

00:39:46.469 --> 00:39:49.329
the one of two partners where it's so cocky.

00:39:49.329 --> 00:39:51.090
It's like, it finishes the first one goes, this

00:39:51.090 --> 00:39:52.670
will be continued in the second book. I'm like,

00:39:52.710 --> 00:39:55.630
it shouldn't, this was rubbish. Like I got through

00:39:55.630 --> 00:39:58.639
that book. I'm like, i all the love i had of

00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:03.199
the iron snakes i lost in this book because they

00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:05.360
were so forgettable and i don't even remember

00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.960
what i i don't remember what happens in that

00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:11.420
book because they just kind of they were just

00:40:11.420 --> 00:40:14.079
carbon copy space marines that just did space

00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:15.780
marine things i'm like oh they lost all their

00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:18.219
character or their charm they're just They're

00:40:18.219 --> 00:40:19.900
just there, and they're like, I am a space marine,

00:40:20.019 --> 00:40:22.079
and I could be any chapter, and blah, blah, blah.

00:40:22.219 --> 00:40:25.000
Oh, Saint Sabat, hello. I am a space marine.

00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:29.360
I'm like, oh, you're dull now. Go away. Go where

00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:34.079
we were. Yeah, that's fair. I don't... It's...

00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:39.179
The problem with giving them character and motivation

00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:43.219
and personality like that is that I feel like

00:40:43.219 --> 00:40:45.719
they stop becoming... It's very hard to make

00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.480
them super, like, titanic beyond human beings.

00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:51.039
Not impossible. You can make that, like, kind

00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:52.699
of super soldier thing, like, where they still

00:40:52.699 --> 00:40:56.360
feel human but detached. But I don't know. The

00:40:56.360 --> 00:41:02.980
reason I... Do you know they often... That's

00:41:02.980 --> 00:41:05.420
why I like a lot more the earlier Horus Heresy

00:41:05.420 --> 00:41:08.219
novels. And they kind of don't get this as much.

00:41:08.260 --> 00:41:11.599
Despite being, like, chapters, they don't have

00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:15.820
as many, like, human... perspectives into like

00:41:15.820 --> 00:41:17.880
viewing this like you said like the space marine

00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.139
from the outside whereas so when you read like

00:41:20.139 --> 00:41:22.940
the horus like heresy books in the early one

00:41:22.940 --> 00:41:26.119
particularly which are it's like half human half

00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.079
space marine perspectives and then you're when

00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.260
you're the humans and then you get to like like

00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:34.539
the example would be like in horus rising when

00:41:34.539 --> 00:41:37.860
the remembrances get to um they get to go down

00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:40.039
to like a planet to like, you know, Oh, you get

00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:42.019
to witness the space Marines, you know, finish

00:41:42.019 --> 00:41:44.639
clearing up a planet. And then they get to walk

00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.179
through and then they see the space Marines fight.

00:41:48.340 --> 00:41:49.579
It's like, that's one of the first few times

00:41:49.579 --> 00:41:51.039
I've ever seen them fight. And they go like,

00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:55.760
Oh my God, that was horrific. What? Like, I can't

00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:57.340
believe we call these guys heroes. They're just

00:41:57.340 --> 00:42:00.360
like, it's like a bulldog with a chainsaw, you

00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.019
know, like it's a horrific beast of a thing.

00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:05.739
And I think that's maybe what's missing. Like

00:42:05.739 --> 00:42:08.800
you. if you're too much in like space marine

00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:10.960
stories where it's like i like to like just pov

00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:14.219
i am titus i'm only titus you don't get to be

00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:16.320
scared of the space marine because like you are

00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:19.300
the space marine so i think the idea of like

00:42:19.300 --> 00:42:23.460
even more like i when i listened to the uh iron

00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:26.059
hands book uh which i read it it's not an audio

00:42:26.059 --> 00:42:29.480
book um the iron hands books are actually i mean

00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:32.139
andy are quite big fans of those ones because

00:42:32.139 --> 00:42:34.619
they have parts in it which like make the iron

00:42:34.619 --> 00:42:38.239
hands seem like such bastards yeah they have

00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:42.239
no compassion they're just like calculus is you're

00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.920
screwed off i go oh okay but they're dismissively

00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.039
cruel because not because they'd like to torture

00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.500
people but because they there's no value in normal

00:42:51.500 --> 00:42:54.159
human life there's nothing in them that do you

00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.440
remember that exchange cardan stronos when he's

00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.420
he's like a sergeant he's on medusa and there's

00:42:59.420 --> 00:43:02.800
like a kid being he's fighting in like a he's

00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.099
fighting like an animal in like a like a betting

00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:09.510
game and he's all like oh i don't really enjoy

00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:13.409
this but here's his mistakes and here's why i

00:43:13.409 --> 00:43:15.489
can't help him and he was just very matter of

00:43:15.489 --> 00:43:18.389
fact he wasn't malicious he was just like no

00:43:18.389 --> 00:43:20.630
here's why this is bad and this is why he's going

00:43:20.630 --> 00:43:23.389
to die this is why it's not your fault but he

00:43:23.389 --> 00:43:25.369
wasn't like i'm going to mourn this child who

00:43:25.369 --> 00:43:28.289
died in this like essentially like pit fight

00:43:28.289 --> 00:43:30.210
he's just like no here's how he died this is

00:43:30.210 --> 00:43:32.650
why he died i'm not going to mourn him but i'm

00:43:32.650 --> 00:43:36.230
also not happy about this oh Iron hands, everyone.

00:43:36.510 --> 00:43:40.829
They're just calculating about it. That still

00:43:40.829 --> 00:43:44.530
is one of my favourite scenes in a Space Marine

00:43:44.530 --> 00:43:50.409
novel, which is what they called again the Guardians

00:43:50.409 --> 00:43:54.469
of the Iron Council. The Morlocks. Not the Morlocks.

00:43:54.469 --> 00:43:58.610
The Hellfathers, sorry. Hellfathers. When Cardan

00:43:58.610 --> 00:44:02.530
Stronos sees a Hellfather. That's wrong. yeah

00:44:02.530 --> 00:44:04.769
because he's like he's with another human character

00:44:04.769 --> 00:44:07.469
he speaks like a mechanicus adept i think in

00:44:07.469 --> 00:44:10.989
the scene he's not a but he's just like speaking

00:44:10.989 --> 00:44:14.329
to them and they both see a hell father which

00:44:14.329 --> 00:44:17.929
for people listening a hell father is like this

00:44:17.929 --> 00:44:21.969
guy in like a terminator suit who they never

00:44:21.969 --> 00:44:24.530
leave the armor because they're not sure how

00:44:24.530 --> 00:44:29.420
much is bionic and how much is human inside And

00:44:29.420 --> 00:44:31.460
they've undergone this process where they literally

00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:35.159
turn themselves like into kind of a like an upgraded

00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.280
servitor. But there's no human emotion within

00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:43.059
it. And they are genuinely like when even when

00:44:43.059 --> 00:44:44.840
the other iron hands are around them, they're

00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:49.239
like, that thing is terrifying. It has no humanity

00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.960
at all. And they're just like, look at you. And

00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.199
all of them are terrified of them because they're

00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.420
like, that thing is just a weapon. It is a weapon.

00:44:59.179 --> 00:45:02.019
And it's, you know, horrifying and it's upgraded

00:45:02.019 --> 00:45:04.039
and it's got cool stuff. And this is kind of

00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:06.900
where I'm like, I'd prefer it if the Iron Hands

00:45:06.900 --> 00:45:10.099
just became all Hellfivers. Like, what if all

00:45:10.099 --> 00:45:12.420
the chapters just became this like byword of

00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:15.280
like, oh, as far as the Imperium's concerned,

00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:20.539
the chapter's dead. But it's now just like an

00:45:20.539 --> 00:45:22.539
undead, not Legion of the Damned, but an undead

00:45:22.539 --> 00:45:25.690
chapter that's being fueled by technology. It's

00:45:25.690 --> 00:45:27.929
doing its own thing. It's not working with the

00:45:27.929 --> 00:45:30.309
Imperium. It just turns up now and again. And

00:45:30.309 --> 00:45:32.690
it's like an ill omen. It's like a reminder like,

00:45:32.769 --> 00:45:37.010
ah, that's a chapter that lost their Primarch,

00:45:37.010 --> 00:45:39.550
like the Blood Angels. They have no direction.

00:45:40.070 --> 00:45:42.570
And their bitterness, their need to improve,

00:45:42.670 --> 00:45:45.449
got the better of them. And therefore, the end

00:45:45.449 --> 00:45:48.730
result was they became a chapter of automatons.

00:45:49.050 --> 00:45:51.250
They don't play by rules. They don't have a...

00:45:51.449 --> 00:45:54.050
codex astartes approach anymore they just repair

00:45:54.050 --> 00:45:57.190
and rebuild themselves they fight and they don't

00:45:57.190 --> 00:45:59.230
even realize what they fight anymore for they

00:45:59.230 --> 00:46:02.230
just must fight must fight must fight and if

00:46:02.230 --> 00:46:03.630
anyone gets in their way they get in their way

00:46:03.630 --> 00:46:05.909
and they get in the crossfire but like i feel

00:46:05.909 --> 00:46:08.349
like that's where the iron hands should be don't

00:46:08.349 --> 00:46:10.869
have characters just have like a weird faction

00:46:10.869 --> 00:46:17.190
that's completely logic driven that do that with

00:46:17.190 --> 00:46:19.079
the iron hands why not Why not? That'd be cool.

00:46:19.300 --> 00:46:22.360
We don't see enough of Space Marines quelling

00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:28.320
rebellion. I would love it if it was just like,

00:46:28.500 --> 00:46:30.199
oh, there's a secret chaos cult. It turns out

00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:33.079
there was no chaos cult. They were just people

00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:37.500
who were trying to have a better life. That's

00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:40.920
illegal. That's just illegal. There's not enough

00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.840
time where sometimes the Space Marines are too

00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.119
much like the heroes. they are protagonists they

00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.239
shouldn't be the heroes you know what i mean

00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:56.940
like yeah i do to some extent get why that is

00:46:56.940 --> 00:47:01.219
right because i for the most part people don't

00:47:01.219 --> 00:47:03.440
want to read a book where their protagonist right

00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:08.800
is just you know hello infant child step you

00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.280
know it's usually it's usually not what people

00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:15.000
are into but that kind of thing is what i was

00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.380
i kind of what i was trying to say earlier where

00:47:17.380 --> 00:47:20.340
it's like when you humanize them like this and

00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:23.059
they lose that like transhuman dread which i

00:47:23.059 --> 00:47:24.800
think is another thing like people look at space

00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:28.440
marines and if they don't feel awe they feel

00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.860
fear over like what do you what do you what do

00:47:31.860 --> 00:47:34.199
you move like how do you do that and another

00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:35.940
interesting thing that baltimore said is like

00:47:35.940 --> 00:47:38.119
because they're the post boys of the setting

00:47:38.809 --> 00:47:41.050
therefore they're used as the yardstick of like

00:47:41.050 --> 00:47:43.829
the average faction whereas what they should

00:47:43.829 --> 00:47:46.750
be is an elite faction like guardsmen should

00:47:46.750 --> 00:47:50.690
be like the standard orcs comparable tower comparable

00:47:50.690 --> 00:47:55.170
but because space marines are the like the poster

00:47:55.170 --> 00:47:58.670
boys therefore they they are treated as like

00:47:58.670 --> 00:48:02.070
the normal like space marines are the average

00:48:02.070 --> 00:48:05.860
where really no that they should be above that

00:48:05.860 --> 00:48:07.940
but because everything is based around space

00:48:07.940 --> 00:48:10.860
marines you then have to add like i guess an

00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:13.519
element of like well the tau even though they're

00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:17.420
comparable to humans uh we have to like rejig

00:48:17.420 --> 00:48:19.139
some of the power scaling and i think that's

00:48:19.139 --> 00:48:22.619
also like a thing of if space marines are so

00:48:22.619 --> 00:48:24.940
prevalent in the setting they're going to be

00:48:24.940 --> 00:48:27.139
seen as the bog standard unit even though they're

00:48:27.139 --> 00:48:30.440
canonically not they're law -wise not and so

00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.420
therefore everything else has to unnecessarily

00:48:32.420 --> 00:48:35.880
be upscaled and therefore it kind of it kind

00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.300
of messes with the the cohesion all the factions

00:48:38.300 --> 00:48:41.920
have with each other which again was his point

00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.619
of like if they were disposable where a captain

00:48:44.619 --> 00:48:46.519
is just some guy that's going to die you know

00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:48.340
he's going to die and it doesn't matter what

00:48:48.340 --> 00:48:50.840
his name is or his story is because he's going

00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.139
to die anyway that kind of feeds into that but

00:48:53.139 --> 00:48:56.500
now that every captain every sergeant every lieutenant

00:48:56.500 --> 00:48:59.079
has a book or a video game tie -in or whatever

00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:04.099
it adds that element of oh we can't kill these

00:49:04.099 --> 00:49:08.360
characters off because we all remember what happened

00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:11.679
to Chiron being killed off in a community post

00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:13.960
and everyone was like, oh no, Chiron, I loved

00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:18.900
him. I'll be honest, I was not that sad. How?

00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:24.699
I was not that sad. I wish they killed Gadriel

00:49:24.699 --> 00:49:30.110
instead. No, no, Chiron. Wait a minute. Chiron

00:49:30.110 --> 00:49:35.530
died. Yes, yes. Yeah, no, pardon me. Wait, no,

00:49:35.530 --> 00:49:41.250
wait. In the game. They should have killed one

00:49:41.250 --> 00:49:43.789
of them in the game, at least. Yeah, but that

00:49:43.789 --> 00:49:46.670
would have made the co -op awkward. Kill them

00:49:46.670 --> 00:49:49.130
at the end. Yeah, that's true. In the final cutscene

00:49:49.130 --> 00:49:52.230
or something, that could work. Yeah, I think

00:49:52.230 --> 00:49:56.170
sometimes with, like, it's that thing of when

00:49:56.170 --> 00:49:58.690
you're, like... again we probably mentioned a

00:49:58.690 --> 00:50:00.449
bit earlier but like with space ring stories

00:50:00.449 --> 00:50:02.809
once like one of the better ones of all time

00:50:02.809 --> 00:50:07.210
that people will always come back to is uh hell's

00:50:07.210 --> 00:50:09.710
reach and i believe like only like from hell

00:50:09.710 --> 00:50:11.909
there's only one other guy like the tech marines

00:50:11.909 --> 00:50:14.510
the ones that survive like they're not brave

00:50:14.510 --> 00:50:18.090
enough to you know i mean like it's it's a war

00:50:18.090 --> 00:50:20.869
zone but the um the part i was going to get to

00:50:20.869 --> 00:50:24.219
is that the The thing about, like, you can have

00:50:24.219 --> 00:50:26.920
Space Marine characters that are, like, you do

00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:28.260
learn their perspective and they're interesting,

00:50:28.420 --> 00:50:32.059
but the overarching villain should always be

00:50:32.059 --> 00:50:34.739
the war machine that is the Imperium of Man.

00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:38.420
And in some way, like, the Space Marine character,

00:50:38.500 --> 00:50:43.119
like, in the Dark Imperium trilogy, there's one

00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.780
point in the third book where they're literally

00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:48.760
trying to, like, do a secret mission and have

00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:50.800
to cross this, like, Nurgle -infected landscape.

00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.900
And they find these civilians in a church. And

00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:58.699
the civilians start making noise because they're

00:50:58.699 --> 00:51:00.679
happy the space marines are here. And they're

00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.179
telling them to be quiet. But then they start

00:51:04.179 --> 00:51:05.780
making too much noise because they're like, we're

00:51:05.780 --> 00:51:07.400
not here to save you. So in the space marines,

00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:08.980
they're going to make too much noise and attract

00:51:08.980 --> 00:51:13.099
the Nurgle demons. So the space marines end up

00:51:13.099 --> 00:51:16.559
killing the civilians. That part in the book

00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.460
is like... yikes that's the perfect encapsulation

00:51:20.460 --> 00:51:23.679
of like they're not that you know i mean like

00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:26.019
they weren't the heroes necessarily in that moment

00:51:26.019 --> 00:51:29.420
but they were the heroes in the overarching part

00:51:29.420 --> 00:51:31.280
of that campaign because later on they go to

00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:33.860
like fight is it cougar maybe it's cougar i think

00:51:33.860 --> 00:51:37.059
is one of the greater demons of nurgle so like

00:51:37.059 --> 00:51:40.800
yeah and goblin so yeah that's good the yeah

00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.599
is is a good uh like envy that's not that's not

00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.260
too old about law necessarily but I guess it's

00:51:47.260 --> 00:51:49.760
10 years almost now, but like it, it shows an

00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:54.139
example of like, you know, they, the, you know

00:51:54.139 --> 00:51:55.920
what I mean? Like, I don't, if someone's too

00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:59.119
much of a clean cut, good hero, you don't get

00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.599
the aspect of like the universe is as horrible

00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.159
as it seems. I think that's where it gets eroded

00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.820
and people are like, Oh, you know? Yeah. It's

00:52:06.820 --> 00:52:10.239
too shiny. Yeah. You know, like, like I said,

00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.920
like make the, make it make sense, you know,

00:52:12.940 --> 00:52:15.889
make it all match up a bit. I said, before we

00:52:15.889 --> 00:52:19.269
get any further, was there any more of the Dunners

00:52:19.269 --> 00:52:21.869
before? There are a few. There's another rather

00:52:21.869 --> 00:52:25.289
large one from Jay Townsend. Jesus! For $50.

00:52:25.730 --> 00:52:28.409
That's for Colin. Do you want to read this one?

00:52:29.130 --> 00:52:31.909
Yeah. Well, Colin, it's getting closer to winter,

00:52:31.969 --> 00:52:34.070
so the snake stories may slow, but I got years

00:52:34.070 --> 00:52:36.210
of Aussie lore to dump onto you, including the

00:52:36.210 --> 00:52:38.769
day that... Me and my mates were swimming in

00:52:38.769 --> 00:52:41.170
a river and the next day they pulled a six meter

00:52:41.170 --> 00:52:47.110
croc from that exact spot. Holy shit. For reference,

00:52:47.190 --> 00:52:50.550
my American friends, that's about 20 feet long.

00:52:52.809 --> 00:52:57.929
Scary. You could have lost your mate in one bite.

00:52:58.070 --> 00:53:04.309
God. That is horrifying. Well, this isn't a fair

00:53:04.309 --> 00:53:09.190
question. at WatchItInTheDerp for 499. Thank

00:53:09.190 --> 00:53:11.550
you, that's a good name. To all, which series

00:53:11.550 --> 00:53:14.869
would you say is funnier? Emperor, TTS, or Red

00:53:14.869 --> 00:53:19.989
vs. Blue? I'm going to say RB Blue. Look, I know

00:53:19.989 --> 00:53:22.630
I feel like I'm the odd man out when I say this

00:53:22.630 --> 00:53:25.889
here. I do like TTS. I do think it's funny, but

00:53:25.889 --> 00:53:32.289
I mean... Red vs. Blue. Yeah, yeah. I appreciate

00:53:32.289 --> 00:53:37.079
TTS, but I... I grew up watching Red vs. Blue

00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:41.639
on Xbox 360 dashboard when they were on the front

00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.639
page and you'd watch them every week. It was

00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:49.460
good fun. I might say a card here because I had

00:53:49.460 --> 00:53:51.300
been watching Rooster Teeth for quite a while

00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:54.840
and then I hadn't watched Red vs. Blue, so I

00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:58.639
went back to watch it as the company's quite

00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:03.860
a bit older now. And I missed the bow on the

00:54:03.860 --> 00:54:07.960
heat. Kill this guy. Kill this guy. And I watched

00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.320
that. I watched like the first few seasons. I

00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:12.800
stuck through it. So I was like, okay, it gets

00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.079
good. It gets good. It gets good. And at times

00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:19.039
I did enjoy it, but it was also, I definitely

00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:23.559
missed the bow on it at the time. But I do like

00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:26.400
a lot of Rooster Teeth stuff. Emperor TTS does

00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:29.400
have some pretty. gold moments though it's a

00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.860
pretty god like uh i'm trying to think of um

00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:35.360
what's the one with uh oh my god what's his name

00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:39.800
sly marbo like oh just karate chopper this guy

00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:44.199
is it is it yeah but the the weird part is like

00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.679
they've both not been around for quite a while

00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:48.980
that if we talk to new people they might not

00:54:48.980 --> 00:54:52.099
know what we're even talking about you know i

00:54:52.099 --> 00:54:53.659
mean like they're officially getting quite on

00:54:53.659 --> 00:54:56.559
just i'm just saying when was the last time we

00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:59.119
saw a game studio adopt a meme where it's like

00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.880
griff ball it's an official playlist inhaler

00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.039
like yeah that's how influential rvb was we love

00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:12.659
it i want most of townsend uh fire australian

00:55:12.659 --> 00:55:15.719
um That was terrible. I cannot remember who it

00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:18.139
was, but Adeptus Ridiculous interviewed a 48

00:55:18.139 --> 00:55:21.679
author and he described using space marines as

00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:25.159
monsters rather than human beings. I think they

00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:27.739
did it with... Who's the guy with the Mohawk?

00:55:28.659 --> 00:55:31.579
Mike Brooks. I didn't want... They did an interview

00:55:31.579 --> 00:55:34.539
with Mike Brooks. It might have been him. Or

00:55:34.539 --> 00:55:39.260
Nate. Mr. Nate. Not Nate Crowley. The other guy,

00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.139
Nate something. Yeah, but... I think that's a

00:55:43.139 --> 00:55:45.659
good point. Like, yeah, it depends. Like the,

00:55:45.860 --> 00:55:51.079
maybe the other I'm thinking about, you know,

00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:53.199
it was really good perspective of like the Imperium

00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.500
itself is in that twice dead King novel. When

00:55:57.500 --> 00:56:00.119
the, because it's the Necron novel and it shows

00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.059
like the Imperial armadas and they're just like,

00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:05.739
Oh my God, there's an endless tide of this thing.

00:56:06.139 --> 00:56:10.179
So that was a pretty good grim, dark example

00:56:10.179 --> 00:56:13.230
there. Andy's blowing kisses to all of the dog,

00:56:13.309 --> 00:56:16.510
I think. He's in the cupboard. What are you doing

00:56:16.510 --> 00:56:20.449
in there, eh? Good boy. He is such a big tail

00:56:20.449 --> 00:56:23.309
for a corgi. Oh yeah, they dock them in the US

00:56:23.309 --> 00:56:26.869
and such, so he's got a full old tail. I don't

00:56:26.869 --> 00:56:30.889
know why people dock them. I mean, I like nub

00:56:30.889 --> 00:56:36.510
corgi, but man. I love big fluffy tail. Do you

00:56:36.510 --> 00:56:41.460
want this one, Andy? LF not for $699 Canadian

00:56:41.460 --> 00:56:43.860
dollars. Hey, y 'all. Just wanted to toss a few

00:56:43.860 --> 00:56:46.440
bucks to you. Handsome fellas are your work.

00:56:46.739 --> 00:56:49.139
Keeps me company on a long commute and while

00:56:49.139 --> 00:56:51.980
working. Thank you very much. Glad to be of service.

00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:54.719
Yeah. Shout to the sleep gang at the moment.

00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:59.780
We try to be soothing. Less, less shouty. Sure.

00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:05.260
Overly sarcastic productions did a good trope

00:57:05.260 --> 00:57:07.099
talk on Grimnark and how it's evolved and the

00:57:07.099 --> 00:57:09.920
difficulties to write it. I watched it. And thank

00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:14.260
you, Syke. Sykes12146 for the five euro pound.

00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:18.239
Fuck. I still do that. You know what the funny

00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:21.500
thing is? I have like 80 pounds in my wallet

00:57:21.500 --> 00:57:25.000
because when I went to Manchester for Warhammer

00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:28.599
Fest, I just got, I went to a currency exchange

00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.420
thing before I went just in case and I still

00:57:31.420 --> 00:57:36.670
have them. Alright, Colin. You want a lore drop

00:57:36.670 --> 00:57:42.250
though? Say you have a pound. Do you have a one

00:57:42.250 --> 00:57:46.789
pound note? A Guernsey one pound note. I do not

00:57:46.789 --> 00:57:49.269
have a Guernsey one pound note. Manchester was

00:57:49.269 --> 00:57:52.590
not overflowing with them. That is pretty cool

00:57:52.590 --> 00:57:56.170
though. It's legal tender. It's a real money.

00:57:57.289 --> 00:58:02.030
My brother used to collect like currency, like

00:58:02.030 --> 00:58:04.449
examples of currency from around the world. He

00:58:04.449 --> 00:58:07.650
managed to get a Zimbabwe dollar, I think. A

00:58:07.650 --> 00:58:09.769
trillion dollars. Yeah, whatever, a million,

00:58:09.829 --> 00:58:13.690
million, or whatever it was. That's pretty cool.

00:58:14.889 --> 00:58:18.030
Russell's going back in the sound booth. He doesn't

00:58:18.030 --> 00:58:20.170
know what it is. He's like, what's in here? He's

00:58:20.170 --> 00:58:23.130
having fun. Mr. Wah again. Thank you. Make the

00:58:23.130 --> 00:58:28.889
Space Marine into the Lace Marines. Instead of

00:58:28.889 --> 00:58:33.510
firing bolters, they fire up. They swing swords.

00:58:33.909 --> 00:58:38.449
They swing beer. They love PCP. Wow. Jesus, they're

00:58:38.449 --> 00:58:42.130
having a good time. Also, JTownsend, for five

00:58:42.130 --> 00:58:44.070
more Aussie lore, went out for dinner for one

00:58:44.070 --> 00:58:46.409
night while we were eating. Heard moving above

00:58:46.409 --> 00:58:48.550
us, looked up to see a big possum staring down

00:58:48.550 --> 00:58:52.030
at me. Big possum good. Unless it's the one from

00:58:52.030 --> 00:58:55.750
Adric who bullies Colin. That's not a good possum.

00:58:56.130 --> 00:59:00.699
That is a very different possum. That's a real

00:59:00.699 --> 00:59:07.900
rat of a man, but we love him. Nice. So... We're

00:59:07.900 --> 00:59:10.860
going to get two more dog counters now. We have

00:59:10.860 --> 00:59:13.960
pictures of dogs in the background framed. Moving

00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.460
back onto the next section, we could start going

00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:20.639
into Chaos. Now, this might be a bit more difficult

00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:24.500
because Chaos kind of already does Grimdark quite

00:59:24.500 --> 00:59:29.280
well, I'd say, mostly. like do you think about

00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:32.000
you know there's um iconic artworks where they

00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.340
have like the four different versions of like

00:59:34.340 --> 00:59:36.079
the chaos marines and then they're like a bit

00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.019
old school so they had like the zine sorcerer

00:59:38.019 --> 00:59:43.340
the noise marine the corn berserker and uh the

00:59:43.340 --> 00:59:47.460
nurgle guy like they is it no good but i remember

00:59:47.460 --> 00:59:50.739
like the um the noise marine guy and that god

00:59:50.739 --> 00:59:52.679
that's horrifying that picture if you know what

00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.019
i'm talking about that one is yeah yeah it's

00:59:57.710 --> 01:00:02.489
I know for the tabletop, the things are all painted

01:00:02.489 --> 01:00:05.489
in heavy metal style because they're to sell

01:00:05.489 --> 01:00:07.349
a product. They're just showing you the basics

01:00:07.349 --> 01:00:12.349
of it. But going through Chaos itself, Chaos

01:00:12.349 --> 01:00:16.969
is quite good. And I really enjoy the fact that

01:00:16.969 --> 01:00:20.550
Chaos itself can be quite... It's just haunting.

01:00:20.789 --> 01:00:26.230
Even being a Chaos worshipper, I think... I know

01:00:26.230 --> 01:00:29.369
that basically... the litmus test for this thing

01:00:29.369 --> 01:00:32.550
is basically the Damoculaba. I don't know how

01:00:32.550 --> 01:00:35.250
you guys feel, but like, should anything ever

01:00:35.250 --> 01:00:37.449
get worse than that? Because I do remember like

01:00:37.449 --> 01:00:40.829
years ago, I heard the Luton video about talking

01:00:40.829 --> 01:00:44.329
about what it was. I think I was a bit younger,

01:00:44.369 --> 01:00:47.409
but I was like, I was listening to it. And I

01:00:47.409 --> 01:00:50.269
remember thinking that genuinely sounds horrible.

01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.739
That made me feel weird listening to that the

01:00:53.739 --> 01:00:55.719
first time. I'm probably a bit desensitized to

01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:57.539
it now, but I don't know what you guys... Did

01:00:57.539 --> 01:01:01.460
you have any initial thoughts or reactions to

01:01:01.460 --> 01:01:10.599
that? Contemplating that. Wow, hollowness, apparently.

01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:15.320
Absolutely hollow. The thing is about that, I

01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:18.889
find it like... I find that bit of lore a bit

01:01:18.889 --> 01:01:22.969
like what a 13 year old thinks is like edgy there's

01:01:22.969 --> 01:01:25.869
much worse things you could do because like in

01:01:25.869 --> 01:01:28.090
the grand scheme of things it's a horrible thing

01:01:28.090 --> 01:01:31.750
that happens to a few people but like if you

01:01:31.750 --> 01:01:36.269
can properly describe like a global plague that

01:01:36.269 --> 01:01:39.829
kills billions and it's getting to the point

01:01:39.829 --> 01:01:43.250
where like There are sores and pustules and people

01:01:43.250 --> 01:01:45.010
are dying and relatives and blah, blah, blah.

01:01:45.150 --> 01:01:47.630
That's way more horrific than, like, a few people

01:01:47.630 --> 01:01:50.710
being turned into, like, skinless space ring

01:01:50.710 --> 01:01:53.590
clothes. Up your hoo -ha, hee -hee. Yeah, yeah,

01:01:53.650 --> 01:01:59.869
it's a hee -hee -hee, gribbly. Even things like

01:01:59.869 --> 01:02:01.969
the idea of playing with feasting on a person's

01:02:01.969 --> 01:02:05.320
immortal soul and... doing all that like even

01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:07.719
the guy who's like uh in the the god blight books

01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:11.000
how who gets folded in on himself again and again

01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:14.840
and can't die and is reset and again that one

01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:20.480
is so like well described it's horrific when

01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:22.679
you go i can't remember who wrote that was it

01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:25.019
great it wasn't graham was it whoever wrote that

01:02:25.019 --> 01:02:27.000
i'm like dude what's wrong with you guy hayley

01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:31.539
guy what what what happened to you what why did

01:02:31.539 --> 01:02:34.889
you do this he's the guy we didn't need to know

01:02:34.889 --> 01:02:36.769
how to like you know that thing that say you

01:02:36.769 --> 01:02:38.570
can only fold a piece of paper so many times

01:02:38.570 --> 01:02:41.289
he did that to a person's like dude what's wrong

01:02:41.289 --> 01:02:44.329
with you see a psychiatrist i think it's like

01:02:44.329 --> 01:02:47.329
the guy gets over bloated and then he starts

01:02:47.329 --> 01:02:49.530
to shrivel up to the point where like his skin

01:02:49.530 --> 01:02:52.869
and bones start cracking yeah and then like but

01:02:52.869 --> 01:02:54.510
the point like he starts like he starts folding

01:02:54.510 --> 01:02:58.130
in on himself because he's so like his moisture

01:02:58.130 --> 01:03:00.929
just got absolutely yeeted out of his entire

01:03:00.929 --> 01:03:03.929
system so like it's a pretty horrific way to

01:03:03.929 --> 01:03:06.949
go i think the most part like sunesh stuff i

01:03:06.949 --> 01:03:08.369
know obviously to be fair like i don't want to

01:03:08.369 --> 01:03:12.050
go down that road necessarily so next does it

01:03:12.050 --> 01:03:17.150
quite well obviously noble stuff does corn i

01:03:17.150 --> 01:03:19.820
mean i don't know how to called like a god of

01:03:19.820 --> 01:03:22.099
murder i don't really go murder like god of war

01:03:22.099 --> 01:03:25.360
slash you know killing us like it's not really

01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:28.820
as scary i think like some people have described

01:03:28.820 --> 01:03:31.699
like when you in some story they make world leaders

01:03:31.699 --> 01:03:35.960
pretty terrifying but again like i don't know

01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:38.099
if i maybe it's like i've read so much warhammer

01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:41.340
that i'm just like i feel like if you're a clever

01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:43.179
writer you could do a whole thing with like a

01:03:43.179 --> 01:03:47.059
scene plot where it's like imagine the worst

01:03:47.059 --> 01:03:49.800
like real real life account you've ever had of

01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.420
someone who said alzheimer's and then you play

01:03:52.420 --> 01:03:55.039
that into a story where a person just keeps like

01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:57.699
forgetting and misremembering and then there's

01:03:57.699 --> 01:03:59.360
repercussions with other people and there's a

01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:01.440
whole scene where like that could be way more

01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.000
horrifying than like i skinned you like yeah

01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.619
it would hurt a lot and that'd be that's pretty

01:04:06.619 --> 01:04:08.099
horrific but when you got like the night lords

01:04:08.099 --> 01:04:11.300
do it the world leaders do it lots of people

01:04:11.300 --> 01:04:13.400
do it and what is like it's like oh it's a bit

01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.349
one note where it's like if you could have like

01:04:15.349 --> 01:04:17.190
a whole plot of like but like like something

01:04:17.190 --> 01:04:20.070
like old boy the korean version not the american

01:04:20.070 --> 01:04:21.989
one like if you had like a scene plot that was

01:04:21.989 --> 01:04:25.829
like old boy and it was on like 11 out of 10.

01:04:25.989 --> 01:04:28.530
i feel like that'd be way more horrific than

01:04:28.530 --> 01:04:32.130
oh you just skinned night lord skin people that's

01:04:32.130 --> 01:04:36.670
who's that yeah yeah okay another skin cape add

01:04:36.670 --> 01:04:41.510
some layers to it i think with chaos the one

01:04:41.510 --> 01:04:43.659
the only things that generally i thought was

01:04:43.659 --> 01:04:46.800
quite a terrifying idea on the chaos perspective

01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.780
it's like you know in um in the heresy when malikador

01:04:49.780 --> 01:04:52.420
was speaking to his little like tortured poor

01:04:52.420 --> 01:04:55.599
servant who just like keeps getting made and

01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:58.940
then just to be his like therapist and then i

01:04:58.940 --> 01:05:02.300
think he says to this person that when people

01:05:02.300 --> 01:05:06.000
die they just get devoured by the war like every

01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:10.960
single person like i guess in the 40k maybe does

01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:12.539
the emperor do they go to the emperor's side

01:05:12.539 --> 01:05:15.480
who knows but it was a thing like he describes

01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:19.739
like basically the horrifying truth of the universe

01:05:19.739 --> 01:05:22.719
is that when every single person dies their soul

01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:25.880
goes into the warp and i think that means that

01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:31.280
they're basically prey so you know i think the

01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:33.400
idea like that comes up a bit more prevalent

01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:35.420
that can be quite an interesting take because

01:05:36.329 --> 01:05:38.829
the like what makes like grim dark universes

01:05:38.829 --> 01:05:42.510
so like the idea of what you make like as a grim

01:05:42.510 --> 01:05:46.610
dark universe is like basically the whole i mean

01:05:46.610 --> 01:05:48.289
i mean i'm maybe wrong here but the whole point

01:05:48.289 --> 01:05:52.090
is like being dead is being better than being

01:05:52.090 --> 01:05:56.309
alive in it is that like the kind of i that's

01:05:56.309 --> 01:06:00.130
the whole thing what was it that person mentioned

01:06:00.130 --> 01:06:04.039
osp what they mentioned is like it's like grimdark

01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:06.599
is like when you put a hero into a grimdark setting

01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:11.340
something needs to break if because either it's

01:06:11.340 --> 01:06:13.460
going to stay grimdark and what breaks is that

01:06:13.460 --> 01:06:17.219
hero or they can still be heroic and it's no

01:06:17.219 --> 01:06:19.039
longer grimdark because you've got a superhero

01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:24.260
running around saving the day and other and kind

01:06:24.260 --> 01:06:29.789
of like building on that it's like for grimdark

01:06:29.789 --> 01:06:34.090
it like at least my ideal image is like a happy

01:06:34.090 --> 01:06:37.409
ending is not on the horizon like in there and

01:06:37.409 --> 01:06:40.530
anything you do is if not meaningless then like

01:06:40.530 --> 01:06:44.969
delaying the unhappy end that's going to happen

01:06:44.969 --> 01:06:47.429
like there is no recourse there is no saving

01:06:47.429 --> 01:06:50.429
the day and that needs to you know apply to everyone

01:06:50.429 --> 01:06:52.309
like you know even chaos isn't going to ever

01:06:52.309 --> 01:06:54.449
get its big victory because the imperium's gonna

01:06:54.449 --> 01:06:59.969
hold it to a standstill but flip side The Imperium's

01:06:59.969 --> 01:07:02.170
churning through lives and, you know, different

01:07:02.170 --> 01:07:06.170
practices, both necessary and unnecessary. And,

01:07:06.190 --> 01:07:14.329
like, it needs to be shit. The trouble with,

01:07:14.369 --> 01:07:17.269
like, such a large setting for Chaos specifically

01:07:17.269 --> 01:07:22.849
is, like, they need to have wins reliably. Otherwise,

01:07:23.010 --> 01:07:28.000
they seem impotent. And right now... We need

01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:30.280
Armageddon to fall. We need, like, something

01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:35.139
tangible. Like, Cadia was a good start, but unless

01:07:35.139 --> 01:07:39.420
Chaos can get, like, some tangible wins, unless,

01:07:39.539 --> 01:07:41.699
like, Tyranids had that whole thing of, like,

01:07:41.739 --> 01:07:42.960
the fourth trinity where they were like, hey,

01:07:42.980 --> 01:07:46.000
vote which planet. Is it going to be the Ultramarines

01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:48.280
who win or the Tyranids win? And it was the Tyranids

01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:50.480
that won because people were fed up of Ultramarines

01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:52.440
winning and Space Marines winning. We need to

01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:55.719
have more tangible, like, A. we're getting close

01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:57.920
to the throne world and maybe it's like a push

01:07:57.920 --> 01:07:59.860
back and a push forward and push back but like

01:07:59.860 --> 01:08:04.760
right now it's like oh armageddon okay katie's

01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:06.559
gone i thought that was a big deal it doesn't

01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:10.659
seem like it because katie's gone and tara's

01:08:10.659 --> 01:08:17.680
okay uh like the stakes aren't moving and cicatrix

01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:19.539
maledictum was good because it cut the galaxy

01:08:19.539 --> 01:08:22.140
in two but also it's like well half the galaxy

01:08:22.140 --> 01:08:24.579
is on the throne world side the other half isn't

01:08:24.579 --> 01:08:27.979
so like the nihilist side who who gives a it's

01:08:27.979 --> 01:08:31.220
like oh nihilist it's like the wild west yeah

01:08:31.220 --> 01:08:33.500
you almost heard almost heard nothing as in like

01:08:33.500 --> 01:08:36.560
yeah yeah perspective wise from that region yeah

01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:38.840
oh what again oh he's i thought he was doing

01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.659
vigilance no he's done that oh okay ultra marine

01:08:41.659 --> 01:08:46.489
victory i guess cool i think would A lot of the

01:08:46.489 --> 01:08:49.710
Chaos stuff, they do it quite well, and a lot

01:08:49.710 --> 01:08:52.409
of the Grimdark stories, or even the Emperor's

01:08:52.409 --> 01:08:55.750
Children models, I think the most recent releases,

01:08:55.850 --> 01:08:59.289
they are pretty on point, I'd say. A lot of that

01:08:59.289 --> 01:09:02.710
other stuff looks good. As always, you can paint

01:09:02.710 --> 01:09:06.189
your models the way you want to, but I think

01:09:06.189 --> 01:09:08.550
particularly, it's why I particularly have a

01:09:08.550 --> 01:09:11.470
love for word -bearer stuff. The word -bearers

01:09:11.470 --> 01:09:13.609
are the ones which I love, because they generally

01:09:13.609 --> 01:09:18.479
are terrifying. Because they just basically at

01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:22.699
the end of the day go, listen, I'm going to torture

01:09:22.699 --> 01:09:27.520
you because it works. And they just go, if I

01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:32.220
do this to you, a little bit of demon power will

01:09:32.220 --> 01:09:35.899
work for me. So I'm just going to do it to you.

01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:39.699
I know you probably like thinking I'm hateful,

01:09:39.699 --> 01:09:41.579
I'm cruel. No, I'm just going to do it because

01:09:41.579 --> 01:09:44.500
I'm going to get something out of it. like that's

01:09:44.500 --> 01:09:47.800
even more terrifying it's like the um i mean

01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:49.520
like not to get like too historical but they

01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:52.100
show like um they talk about like world war ii

01:09:52.100 --> 01:09:54.939
or other kind of history things the people who

01:09:54.939 --> 01:09:57.180
often did like the most horrific stuff were just

01:09:57.180 --> 01:09:59.640
like they they when they interviewed them they

01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:02.800
didn't find them to be like really like vindictive

01:10:03.850 --> 01:10:06.930
There's that film where it's like there were

01:10:06.930 --> 01:10:09.909
the guys who lived next to Auschwitz and therefore

01:10:09.909 --> 01:10:12.590
they were just like doing the laundry and doing

01:10:12.590 --> 01:10:14.770
and they were like, they hear the scream, but

01:10:14.770 --> 01:10:16.550
they didn't acknowledge it. I can't remember

01:10:16.550 --> 01:10:18.090
what the film's called, but it's just like, oh,

01:10:18.170 --> 01:10:20.949
they desensitize themselves and they're just

01:10:20.949 --> 01:10:23.869
like, oh, it's just normal now. It's like, no,

01:10:23.869 --> 01:10:28.390
it's not normal. Yeah. Well, there is a terrifying

01:10:28.390 --> 01:10:32.539
because they just. You know, they like, they

01:10:32.539 --> 01:10:36.000
just do it. And they're like, I'm not doing this

01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:38.500
because it makes me happy. I'm not like an emperor's

01:10:38.500 --> 01:10:40.739
children or anything like that. I'm just doing

01:10:40.739 --> 01:10:45.359
it because it needs to be done. So pretty horrible.

01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:48.260
I wish they took more of a center stage. Black

01:10:48.260 --> 01:10:51.000
Legion, shove it up your anus. I don't care.

01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:54.920
Let Lorgar return and be a horrible bastard,

01:10:54.979 --> 01:10:57.220
maybe. And then Korrax can kill him. Who knows?

01:10:57.659 --> 01:11:01.390
That'll be pretty enjoyable. Said before we get

01:11:01.390 --> 01:11:05.890
any further rally up with the Xenos stuff Hey,

01:11:05.909 --> 01:11:08.710
we could yeah, if you do few more the damage

01:11:08.710 --> 01:11:13.609
From Zenon chaos grimdark let word bearers be

01:11:13.609 --> 01:11:21.289
quite Paris see He's on that he's on it Also

01:11:21.289 --> 01:11:24.670
No, miss Chomsky became a member for six months.

01:11:24.890 --> 01:11:27.869
I know he did Colin. Does he mean was he mean

01:11:27.869 --> 01:11:30.079
by that? Gonna need more to go off of than that,

01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:37.260
dude. Okay. Oh, that one by Wah. Thank you, man,

01:11:37.279 --> 01:11:41.920
so much. Last message, got no job brackets. They

01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:45.039
need more warp stuff outside of Chaos. There's

01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:47.180
an infinite amount of stuff in the warp. There

01:11:47.180 --> 01:11:49.340
should be more stuff, like the Watcher in the

01:11:49.340 --> 01:11:51.979
Rain or other creatures. That is a good idea.

01:11:52.260 --> 01:11:56.100
Bring back the Crotolids. Do not know what this

01:11:56.100 --> 01:11:59.289
man is talking about. Warp Crocodiles. I think

01:11:59.289 --> 01:12:02.029
we also had one of them in the Red Corsairs pack

01:12:02.029 --> 01:12:06.069
that came out. I think there is. Yeah. No, no,

01:12:06.109 --> 01:12:09.029
but no, no, wait, no, because no, they're just

01:12:09.029 --> 01:12:12.050
crocodiles, but they use the warp to traverse.

01:12:12.869 --> 01:12:18.090
Because there's like a crocodile. Sorry. They

01:12:18.090 --> 01:12:21.649
do crazy stuff. Okay, guys, so rounding it out,

01:12:21.750 --> 01:12:24.390
we're going to begin with the Xenos section.

01:12:24.649 --> 01:12:27.479
Colin. Do you want to save Eldar for last, or

01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:32.220
do you want to go tackle them first? I mean,

01:12:32.260 --> 01:12:34.199
the Eldar have done a pretty good job at keeping

01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:36.359
the Grimdark up, because they just keep getting

01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:40.220
the piss beaten out of them. So yeah, it sure

01:12:40.220 --> 01:12:43.260
does feel like they are the last survivors hopelessly

01:12:43.260 --> 01:12:45.619
holding off the end when I read an Eldar blurb.

01:12:46.539 --> 01:12:50.859
Life kind of does suck to be an Eldar. Like,

01:12:50.859 --> 01:12:53.979
it really, really sucks. Someone made a point

01:12:53.979 --> 01:12:56.880
earlier If you're listening to the remastered

01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:58.739
version, you wouldn't have heard it, but in the

01:12:58.739 --> 01:13:02.659
donation, someone made a point about the Dark

01:13:02.659 --> 01:13:04.979
King thing. It'd be really cool if someone had

01:13:04.979 --> 01:13:09.119
an example of like, you know how Slaanesh sucks

01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:14.260
on Eldar souls as soon as they immediately exit

01:13:14.260 --> 01:13:17.140
the mortal universe. I think that'd be a cool

01:13:17.140 --> 01:13:20.840
thing if humans had some entity that sucks their

01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:23.880
soul immediately, but then they didn't. It took

01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:26.779
a while for them to notice that. Yeah, Eldar...

01:13:26.779 --> 01:13:30.039
Sorry, sticking with Void. Eldar... I mean, life

01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:34.340
of an Eldar, Colin, pretty bad. Not great. You

01:13:34.340 --> 01:13:35.920
know, actually, you know, funny thing is, like,

01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:37.939
in day -to -day life, craft worlds are pretty

01:13:37.939 --> 01:13:40.680
damn nice to live in. It's just then the subject

01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:43.439
of a book happens, and then they all start exploding

01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:47.460
very violently. And then when they die, they

01:13:47.460 --> 01:13:50.159
go to super hell. Do you think they've killed

01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:53.710
off too many... craft was at this point, because

01:13:53.710 --> 01:13:56.569
it's hard to make, in some way, more grimdark

01:13:56.569 --> 01:14:00.329
for the elves. I mean, I know this is a Warhammer

01:14:00.329 --> 01:14:02.930
fantasy line, but there was an author who I believe

01:14:02.930 --> 01:14:05.670
almost word for word said there are as many elves

01:14:05.670 --> 01:14:10.850
as the plot demands. So, no, I don't think they've

01:14:10.850 --> 01:14:13.069
blown up too many craft worlds. I think they

01:14:13.069 --> 01:14:15.390
will never do that, but they will always threaten

01:14:15.390 --> 01:14:19.750
to do it. Yeah. I think with Elder stuff, it

01:14:19.750 --> 01:14:23.939
is obviously pretty horrific. their lives. It

01:14:23.939 --> 01:14:29.420
could be an idea of maybe there's more infighting

01:14:29.420 --> 01:14:32.659
between craft worlds, but that almost seems...

01:14:32.659 --> 01:14:35.659
I think more in the Grimdark future, the idea

01:14:35.659 --> 01:14:37.920
that happens a few times in Eldar stories is

01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:40.340
they attempt to work with humans because they're

01:14:40.340 --> 01:14:44.220
forced to work with the Monkai to do a thing,

01:14:44.300 --> 01:14:46.840
and then they end up getting betrayed. I think

01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:49.560
they already do that quite well, so I don't know

01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:54.180
if that one... I think there's something on Vigilus

01:14:54.180 --> 01:14:57.399
and then Calgar was like, yeah, you can kill

01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:00.399
those people because, you know. That was some

01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.439
properly grimdark stuff. How do we pay this blood

01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:06.579
debt? Okay, Imperial nobles, come inside this

01:15:06.579 --> 01:15:08.659
building. There's candy inside. And then they

01:15:08.659 --> 01:15:11.119
lock the door on the magical space elf murder

01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:16.619
dungeon. Oof. Which you don't deserve. Speaking

01:15:16.619 --> 01:15:21.310
of... was already grim dark is the drew kari

01:15:21.310 --> 01:15:23.970
themselves though because i i don't know yeah

01:15:23.970 --> 01:15:26.489
do you don't have any more points i want to add

01:15:26.489 --> 01:15:30.750
to the elder so they're they're grim i feel honestly

01:15:30.750 --> 01:15:33.109
they're grim dark enough like like you know a

01:15:33.109 --> 01:15:36.770
good old yanari plot line of we're going to save

01:15:36.770 --> 01:15:38.829
the elder race the last thing you need for that

01:15:38.829 --> 01:15:41.939
is slanesh is dangling it between crotch I feel

01:15:41.939 --> 01:15:44.300
like the thing the Eldar need is they need to

01:15:44.300 --> 01:15:46.859
make more alliances because they're the only

01:15:46.859 --> 01:15:50.000
faction who's like on the precipice of death.

01:15:50.460 --> 01:15:53.649
So like they've done stuff with like. dawn of

01:15:53.649 --> 01:15:55.970
war for example but i feel like they need to

01:15:55.970 --> 01:15:58.409
make uncomfortable alliances like we'll make

01:15:58.409 --> 01:16:00.149
an alliance with the tao even though we think

01:16:00.149 --> 01:16:02.350
that they are like too naive we need to make

01:16:02.350 --> 01:16:04.449
alliances with the necrons because we hate them

01:16:04.449 --> 01:16:06.829
because there are mortal enemies but we need

01:16:06.829 --> 01:16:09.630
to get one over on the imperium oh we need to

01:16:09.630 --> 01:16:11.829
make an alliance with the orcs kind of like they

01:16:11.829 --> 01:16:13.909
did with dawn of war but like we're going to

01:16:13.909 --> 01:16:15.850
try and manipulate them and maybe then the manipulation

01:16:15.850 --> 01:16:18.689
fails because orcs are so stupid it kind of counteracts

01:16:18.689 --> 01:16:21.170
like i think we need the elder to be more like

01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:24.520
the kind of like oh we need any help we can get

01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:27.399
we can't because the problem i have with elder

01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:30.420
is when i've read all their stuff it's like aren't

01:16:30.420 --> 01:16:32.039
you guys supposed to be coming to extinction

01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:34.880
you seem to be getting on okay like they're like

01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:37.060
the craft world stuff they're in these like craft

01:16:37.060 --> 01:16:38.760
worlds and they seem to be like i'm still doing

01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:41.060
poetry i'm doing all these different paths that

01:16:41.060 --> 01:16:43.399
aren't combat related and it seems to be paradisal

01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:45.899
and i'm like aren't you like threading the needle

01:16:45.899 --> 01:16:49.520
of your own doom like surely yeah you need a

01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:52.250
bit more like of a I'm not going on a gap here,

01:16:52.329 --> 01:16:55.369
Dad. I've got to stop the extinction of my entire

01:16:55.369 --> 01:16:58.510
race kind of thing. Actually, now that I'm thinking

01:16:58.510 --> 01:17:00.789
about it too, I would say one thing that could

01:17:00.789 --> 01:17:02.670
keep the Grimdark going and give them credit

01:17:02.670 --> 01:17:06.909
is have their plots and schemes actually work,

01:17:07.069 --> 01:17:09.789
like just work, but then we get a reason why

01:17:09.789 --> 01:17:12.930
it doesn't matter that they pulled off the 10

01:17:12.930 --> 01:17:15.670
out of 10 perfect round in the fighting game

01:17:15.670 --> 01:17:19.080
match and it just doesn't fucking matter. instead

01:17:19.080 --> 01:17:21.460
of the normal thing which is you know again like

01:17:21.460 --> 01:17:24.119
any ad like yep you could have uh it would have

01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:27.859
just unironically worked but the guy said he

01:17:27.859 --> 01:17:30.020
doesn't care if you kill a whole chaos god he

01:17:30.020 --> 01:17:32.800
just doesn't want you to win right now i i don't

01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:35.359
i don't care if you win i need the eldar to lose

01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:39.439
fucking kylo ren whatever hawks looking ass let

01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:42.159
let the elder get a win and then explain why

01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:45.100
it doesn't work like or not work why it doesn't

01:17:45.100 --> 01:17:48.279
matter not keep kicking them in the sack And

01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:50.920
then going, yeah, but they're like, you know,

01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:53.539
cool still buy these minis. It's like, no, I

01:17:53.539 --> 01:17:57.640
don't want to now. And the idea of like, there's

01:17:57.640 --> 01:18:01.579
a, I think because the elder, like there's something

01:18:01.579 --> 01:18:03.159
you'd like, they don't necessarily have hope,

01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:06.060
but they have like a thing of, I think in some

01:18:06.060 --> 01:18:09.479
way, like the more unity between them is almost

01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:12.840
like the greatest signal of like the end is near.

01:18:15.200 --> 01:18:18.039
The fact that they don't have the option to put

01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:20.500
aside their differences, or they have the option,

01:18:20.579 --> 01:18:23.079
sorry, to put aside their differences, or whatever

01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:25.899
the phrasing is, but as in they're like, we're

01:18:25.899 --> 01:18:27.600
all going our own way. It's like, no, no, no.

01:18:28.180 --> 01:18:30.479
You've got to band together or it's death. You

01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:34.500
know what I mean? Full send it, you know, crap.

01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:36.680
Someone's going to destroy all this stuff. I

01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:39.260
quite like the Harlequin stuff I've read because

01:18:39.260 --> 01:18:42.920
they are bipartisan. They're like, They ally

01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:45.159
more with Drukhari because Drukhari don't care.

01:18:45.420 --> 01:18:49.680
But they work like Motley's stuff in the Drukhari

01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:53.140
books. He's like, I'll side with Eldar, Crathwelders,

01:18:53.220 --> 01:18:56.119
and Exodites, and Drukhari, because Drukhari

01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:58.500
are easy. But he's like, I'll side with whoever

01:18:58.500 --> 01:19:00.979
I need. And he doesn't pick any side because

01:19:00.979 --> 01:19:03.100
he's like, we need to unite as an entire species.

01:19:03.539 --> 01:19:06.920
We can't have these different factions. And I

01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:09.510
really like that because... They're the ones

01:19:09.510 --> 01:19:11.449
who are like, we're the smallest of all the Eldar

01:19:11.449 --> 01:19:15.109
factions. And yet we're very bespoke, but we

01:19:15.109 --> 01:19:17.090
can't do it all our own. We have to like actually

01:19:17.090 --> 01:19:20.909
make alliances and trick this guy and pilfer

01:19:20.909 --> 01:19:24.069
from that guy and try to reestablish this power

01:19:24.069 --> 01:19:27.109
base so that that power space can, can bolster

01:19:27.109 --> 01:19:29.590
themselves in the future. I really like that.

01:19:29.729 --> 01:19:32.630
And then it's like, ah, and then Craftwell books,

01:19:32.689 --> 01:19:35.770
they heard her. I'm going to be a poet. I'm going

01:19:35.770 --> 01:19:41.670
to make pottery. Oh. so mr mike of the grail

01:19:41.670 --> 01:19:43.449
made a great point i was thinking of which is

01:19:43.449 --> 01:19:46.930
uh even when we get those moments of like oh

01:19:46.930 --> 01:19:49.310
like something goes well but then ends up being

01:19:49.310 --> 01:19:51.090
bad or like it's just snatched away at the last

01:19:51.090 --> 01:19:55.850
second yeah captain artemis my beloved even when

01:19:55.850 --> 01:19:57.710
we get that we kind of like i kind of low -key

01:19:57.710 --> 01:19:59.909
hate it i guess what i mean it's like let them

01:19:59.909 --> 01:20:02.890
have an unqualified win and it just isn't enough

01:20:02.890 --> 01:20:07.239
like they I was going to say, Colin, you can't

01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:10.560
give Artemis too much flack, because just remember,

01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:13.699
without Captain Artemis doing that, we wouldn't

01:20:13.699 --> 01:20:15.979
have had the Inari, so we wouldn't have had those

01:20:15.979 --> 01:20:19.399
fantastic Inari books. Of course, yes, I should

01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:22.699
thank him for that. I should thank him for the

01:20:22.699 --> 01:20:25.260
trilogy so ass it didn't get to be a trilogy.

01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:33.899
Yeah. Punch in the face. Obviously, I think the

01:20:33.899 --> 01:20:37.350
Eldor... in some way they do grimdark quite well

01:20:37.350 --> 01:20:39.989
like whenever i learned about anything elder

01:20:39.989 --> 01:20:43.670
i just feel like depressed man and that's obviously

01:20:43.670 --> 01:20:46.289
what we're going for in this episode so they

01:20:46.289 --> 01:20:52.189
do that quite well the next one though is let's

01:20:52.189 --> 01:20:56.550
do orcs i just do necrons very quickly yeah guys

01:20:56.550 --> 01:21:00.310
are good necrons no notes wakey wakey flesh and

01:21:00.310 --> 01:21:05.819
bakey perfect fine love them There is a lot of

01:21:05.819 --> 01:21:08.039
grimdark horror with them already that I think

01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:10.880
is well done. Every now and again, you're told

01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:13.600
that, by the way, this guy really wants to breathe.

01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:15.800
He needs to breathe. Why can't I breathe? And

01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:17.399
I'm like, all right. Yeah, that's horrifying.

01:21:18.859 --> 01:21:21.380
Yeah, and only the officer cast matter because

01:21:21.380 --> 01:21:23.460
all the others are drones. Yeah, no, no, they're

01:21:23.460 --> 01:21:26.600
fine. I think I've read at some point, maybe

01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:28.739
it was a short story or a blurb in some book,

01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:31.680
but even that, you also get sometimes like a

01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:35.409
Necron warrior awakens. They have their personality,

01:21:35.729 --> 01:21:39.369
but they can't... They have no mouth. Yeah, they

01:21:39.369 --> 01:21:43.310
have super locked -in syndrome, basically. It's

01:21:43.310 --> 01:21:45.409
like, wow, I didn't want to sleep comfortably

01:21:45.409 --> 01:21:48.090
tonight anyways. Thanks. And then there's the

01:21:48.090 --> 01:21:50.329
destroyers where there's that one who's like,

01:21:50.390 --> 01:21:52.270
I'm a prince of this dynasty. He woke up before

01:21:52.270 --> 01:21:56.850
the entirety of his dynasty was driven mad. Then

01:21:56.850 --> 01:21:59.430
he was roaming around the halls, killed his friends,

01:21:59.569 --> 01:22:01.470
and then he became the destroyer lord. And it's

01:22:01.470 --> 01:22:04.310
like, yeah, that's fun. and it was all a plot

01:22:04.310 --> 01:22:06.130
by another one from his dynasty who woke him

01:22:06.130 --> 01:22:08.250
up early intentionally like yeah they're fine

01:22:08.250 --> 01:22:11.210
necrons are fine they're grim enough yep i have

01:22:11.210 --> 01:22:14.189
no notes i guess uh if they wanted one thing

01:22:14.189 --> 01:22:17.170
like the guy in the in the in the dono said uh

01:22:17.170 --> 01:22:20.149
if you know make the make the flare virus a kind

01:22:20.149 --> 01:22:22.770
of like hollowing -esque yeah like dark souls

01:22:22.770 --> 01:22:25.390
and you die you lose a bit more each time you

01:22:25.390 --> 01:22:29.699
get yeah which i think i think does happen I

01:22:29.699 --> 01:22:31.840
wish it happened with that Hellbrecht versus

01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:34.899
Imhotek battle, because I could have used that.

01:22:35.380 --> 01:22:38.039
Imhotek, he was getting crunked again and again,

01:22:38.180 --> 01:22:41.300
and he's like, respawn, get the GameShark out

01:22:41.300 --> 01:22:44.340
of your cartridge. Get out of here. Nah, but

01:22:44.340 --> 01:22:46.239
see, that's different. He just had, like, you

01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:50.079
know, Vegeta -level arrogance. It didn't matter

01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:52.079
if he got his ass beat. He's coming back for

01:22:52.079 --> 01:22:56.039
round two. Oh, my dad works at Nintendo, said

01:22:56.039 --> 01:22:59.199
Emotech. Yeah, fuck you. Get out of here. Emotech

01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:01.420
spent the entire fight just doing the fucking,

01:23:01.420 --> 01:23:03.859
the Dragon Ball thumb point foes, which means

01:23:03.859 --> 01:23:06.260
a character is without fault about to get the

01:23:06.260 --> 01:23:09.340
floor wiped with them. And then it just didn't

01:23:09.340 --> 01:23:11.899
matter because he just came back. Hello, Athena.

01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:17.239
Oh, Doug. I like the idea with Necrons. They

01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:19.520
have a thing, you know, like Trezin and Orokin,

01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:22.060
they had a whole, you know, the future of the

01:23:22.060 --> 01:23:24.539
Necron race, will you return to flesh or will

01:23:24.539 --> 01:23:27.920
we become spirit beings? I like the idea of being

01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:30.739
like, they're both just dead ends. There will

01:23:30.739 --> 01:23:33.960
never be another Necron, new Necrons. There's

01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:37.000
only a finite amount of Necrons and they are

01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:40.039
only going down. Which I think is more of a tragedy

01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:43.930
sort of thing. Yeah. think yeah combined with

01:23:43.930 --> 01:23:46.189
that you know if you die too many times you eventually

01:23:46.189 --> 01:23:48.970
become a foot soldier that'd be pretty cool because

01:23:48.970 --> 01:23:51.609
it's like pretty sad it's like oh maybe dying

01:23:51.609 --> 01:23:54.390
is not worth it you know maybe let's try not

01:23:54.390 --> 01:23:59.189
to die too much uh the next one yeah we did you

01:23:59.189 --> 01:24:03.069
know not too many notes for necrons but orcs

01:24:03.069 --> 01:24:09.750
now this is difficult because orcs funny my beloved

01:24:09.750 --> 01:24:16.199
red go faster uh princess the squig you know

01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:20.439
i i'd love orcs being kind of a comic relief

01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:23.560
in some sense but i think andy had a point earlier

01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:26.180
about like was it you said the orcs should be

01:24:26.180 --> 01:24:28.600
terrifying from every perspective other than

01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:32.460
their own but they should be a bit more i think

01:24:32.460 --> 01:24:34.279
we also had someone here said someone in their

01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:36.840
donation was it uh who said like they should

01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:40.420
um reproduce normally which is a hell of a take

01:24:41.630 --> 01:24:44.289
What do you mean by normally? Only normal for

01:24:44.289 --> 01:24:47.069
us. I just come from Mushroom. That's normal.

01:24:47.430 --> 01:24:51.430
There's more of us than you. I don't know. Do

01:24:51.430 --> 01:24:55.770
you remember the first Dragon Age, Andy? Oh,

01:24:55.770 --> 01:24:58.130
yes, I do. I love that first game. Do you remember

01:24:58.130 --> 01:25:01.369
the bit that makes it feel weirdly uncomfy? Is

01:25:01.369 --> 01:25:06.729
the... Broodmother? Yes. I knew what you were

01:25:06.729 --> 01:25:08.010
going to say as soon as you mentioned Dragon

01:25:08.010 --> 01:25:10.710
Age. I was like, yeah, the Broodmother. It's

01:25:10.710 --> 01:25:12.550
like a hint, isn't it? It's a hint to something,

01:25:12.710 --> 01:25:15.390
but, like, it's not... Fun fact, there is a broodmother

01:25:15.390 --> 01:25:18.670
in the Lysander books who eats its young. So,

01:25:18.670 --> 01:25:23.090
yeah. Grim. That's one of the few things where,

01:25:23.130 --> 01:25:24.770
like, I like the idea, like, if they wanted to

01:25:24.770 --> 01:25:27.069
make orcs really horrific, they could do something

01:25:27.069 --> 01:25:30.289
like that. Basically, it's how the Skaven reproduce.

01:25:30.770 --> 01:25:32.949
I mean, technically, they eat squigs, and squigs

01:25:32.949 --> 01:25:34.989
are technically orcs because they're just a different

01:25:34.989 --> 01:25:38.529
subspecies. So, like, orcs already devour their

01:25:38.529 --> 01:25:43.310
own... They eat Gretchen. Orcs is orcs is orcs.

01:25:43.310 --> 01:25:46.909
They're all mushrooms. They eat each other. Do

01:25:46.909 --> 01:25:48.550
you want to explain what I'm talking about the

01:25:48.550 --> 01:25:51.289
broodmother in Dragon Age quickly, Andy? No,

01:25:51.310 --> 01:25:53.930
I'd rather you do it because you brought it up.

01:25:54.329 --> 01:26:00.409
You know what? There's no way. It's like a dwarven

01:26:00.409 --> 01:26:02.630
lady, right? Who goes down to the deep roads

01:26:02.630 --> 01:26:07.409
and then is like captured by the darkspawn. You

01:26:07.409 --> 01:26:10.810
thought the Demonculaba was bad? What if it was

01:26:10.810 --> 01:26:16.449
worse? Yeah. It's in the title, Broodmother.

01:26:16.689 --> 01:26:19.810
Yippee! I love Dragon Age Origins. Why did they

01:26:19.810 --> 01:26:22.270
have to make it worse with every iteration of

01:26:22.270 --> 01:26:25.250
Dragon Age? The first one was amazing. Are you

01:26:25.250 --> 01:26:27.810
telling me Dragon Vet? What was it called? Something

01:26:27.810 --> 01:26:33.949
Veil? Oh. Something Veil, yeah. Wolf Veil? No,

01:26:33.989 --> 01:26:37.189
not Wolf Veil. Veil Guard. Are you telling me

01:26:37.189 --> 01:26:39.289
Veilguard was not the best thing you've ever

01:26:39.289 --> 01:26:41.670
seen? I'm just saying every game they put out

01:26:41.670 --> 01:26:43.829
was worse than the last, in my opinion. Dragon

01:26:43.829 --> 01:26:47.869
Age 2 was worse than 1. Inquisition was worse

01:26:47.869 --> 01:26:52.909
than 2. Veilguard was like... It was like a stairwell

01:26:52.909 --> 01:26:55.050
that kept going down and down and down. They

01:26:55.050 --> 01:26:58.949
nailed it, and then they worsened it. That's

01:26:58.949 --> 01:27:00.750
the only game franchise where I legitimately

01:27:00.750 --> 01:27:03.529
thought someone should go for prison for how

01:27:03.529 --> 01:27:07.369
much they murdered that. That was an assassination.

01:27:08.289 --> 01:27:10.329
In Age 1, you could play as multiple species

01:27:10.329 --> 01:27:12.689
who had their own origin stories, and then 2

01:27:12.689 --> 01:27:14.409
is like, who's going to play as this emo guy

01:27:14.409 --> 01:27:18.130
called Hawk? Oh. And then they're like, we're

01:27:18.130 --> 01:27:19.729
going to bring back all the species, but they're

01:27:19.729 --> 01:27:21.710
all just kind of the same. There's no backstory,

01:27:21.989 --> 01:27:25.439
it just doesn't matter. It got worse. We should

01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:28.439
do a Dragon Age episode just purely ripping on

01:27:28.439 --> 01:27:31.899
it. I'll do a fancy fireside on Origins and then

01:27:31.899 --> 01:27:34.420
we'll never talk about Dragon Age again because

01:27:34.420 --> 01:27:37.199
it was spoiled potential. Yes, but that would

01:27:37.199 --> 01:27:40.920
be my thought on how to make the Orcs horrified

01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:45.199
because generally that is horrifying to me. Good

01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:51.640
way of doing it. Tyranids? I mean... It's already

01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:55.220
Genesteak, isn't it? It's already... i feel like

01:27:55.220 --> 01:27:57.840
they're kind of pretty good i guess the way to

01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:00.000
make them grimdark is let them win on screen

01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:03.579
more but aside from that i mean all devouring

01:28:03.579 --> 01:28:08.819
swarm of intergalactic space locusts they it's

01:28:08.819 --> 01:28:11.159
it's pretty like just inherently grimdark and

01:28:11.159 --> 01:28:13.899
messed up and you know terrifying right i feel

01:28:13.899 --> 01:28:17.539
like I feel like they could take a page out of

01:28:17.539 --> 01:28:20.779
dead spaces book where they could be like, maybe

01:28:20.779 --> 01:28:23.779
have like a collective, like, I know that the,

01:28:23.859 --> 01:28:26.800
like Tigurius has kind of spoken to the hive

01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:30.819
mind. I want more of like, what is the like objectively

01:28:30.819 --> 01:28:35.920
highest hive mind? I want more of that. just

01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:38.100
so we can impress upon all the other characters

01:28:38.100 --> 01:28:40.619
that interacts within the setting how out of

01:28:40.619 --> 01:28:43.659
their league it is and how terrifying it is because

01:28:43.659 --> 01:28:45.220
at the moment it's just like it's just a bunch

01:28:45.220 --> 01:28:47.680
of gribblies it's just a bajillion gribblies

01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:49.880
and we don't really know any characters because

01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:52.020
they all die because gene sealers get eaten by

01:28:52.020 --> 01:28:55.640
all the gribblies so it's like oh i want to have

01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:59.399
some kind of consciousness that scares the other

01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:04.409
characters that's all i want Fabius Bile in the

01:29:04.409 --> 01:29:07.109
Blood Angels omnibus captures a Neurothrope and

01:29:07.109 --> 01:29:09.470
it asks one of the Blood Angels to kill it because

01:29:09.470 --> 01:29:11.829
it's in so much pain. So there's more going on

01:29:11.829 --> 01:29:14.729
than just primal instinct. It communes with Raffen

01:29:14.729 --> 01:29:17.970
and his team like, please kill me. I want that.

01:29:18.229 --> 01:29:22.229
I want more of that. But the only way we're going

01:29:22.229 --> 01:29:24.989
to get that is if we have the highest hive mind

01:29:24.989 --> 01:29:29.289
reaching out now and again. So that's kind of

01:29:29.289 --> 01:29:32.470
the issue. I think the only way to make Tyranids

01:29:32.470 --> 01:29:35.449
possibly more grimdark is if it's that whole

01:29:35.449 --> 01:29:38.449
thing of, like, it's confirmed that this isn't

01:29:38.449 --> 01:29:41.949
the main, like, force of it or whatever. Like,

01:29:41.949 --> 01:29:44.250
in some way, like, it's a theory, isn't it? Like,

01:29:44.289 --> 01:29:45.989
there's more of it. Like, we've only seen, like,

01:29:46.010 --> 01:29:48.710
a fraction of it so far. Just straight up just

01:29:48.710 --> 01:29:53.569
be like, yeah. Or even the archivist who's a

01:29:53.569 --> 01:29:57.050
zoet who works for the Tyranids, but he's a different

01:29:57.050 --> 01:29:59.810
species. characters that are intermediaries agents

01:29:59.810 --> 01:30:03.789
people who are indoctrinated by the uh tyranids

01:30:03.789 --> 01:30:06.850
as a mediator i want to see more because that's

01:30:06.850 --> 01:30:09.350
the only way you can have them be fleshed out

01:30:09.350 --> 01:30:12.029
pardon the pun but like the only way to flesh

01:30:12.029 --> 01:30:16.569
out the tyranids is have a common ground between

01:30:16.569 --> 01:30:19.829
them and the other characters to facilitate that

01:30:19.829 --> 01:30:22.569
kind of like that remember like the uh alien

01:30:22.569 --> 01:30:24.930
alien game came out i think it was alien versus

01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:27.680
predator and there was a character who had like

01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:30.659
a little alien in his chest and he had like a

01:30:30.659 --> 01:30:33.659
weird like mask and everything he's like ah i

01:30:33.659 --> 01:30:36.760
am i communicate with the aliens you need someone

01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:39.619
like that and they wasted him because he died

01:30:39.619 --> 01:30:41.800
in the same cutscene i think but i was like you

01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:44.819
need some bridge of that gap to make them more

01:30:44.819 --> 01:30:47.939
compelling there's like the darkspawn thing in

01:30:47.939 --> 01:30:51.840
dragon age again there's like the weird uh not

01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:53.659
emissaries although that's something else aren't

01:30:53.659 --> 01:30:56.319
they like they're weird sentient darkspawn, like

01:30:56.319 --> 01:30:58.020
proper sentient ones. Oh, the ones who invaded

01:30:58.020 --> 01:31:00.020
heaven. Yeah, like the... I can't remember what

01:31:00.020 --> 01:31:02.739
they're called. Like Corypheus. Oh, no, I mean

01:31:02.739 --> 01:31:04.979
like... There's like an enemy type, I think,

01:31:05.060 --> 01:31:08.060
or something. I don't know. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've

01:31:08.060 --> 01:31:12.100
not played. I don't know. They were good. They

01:31:12.100 --> 01:31:16.060
were good. First game. First game. Peak. I'll

01:31:16.060 --> 01:31:18.369
say that... had a cool idea which like now we

01:31:18.369 --> 01:31:20.609
kind of we've hit most of the main factions if

01:31:20.609 --> 01:31:23.130
you want any more but please do comment on the

01:31:23.130 --> 01:31:25.590
video because we'd love to hear any of your suggestions

01:31:25.590 --> 01:31:27.649
for stuff because there's plenty of opportunity

01:31:27.649 --> 01:31:32.010
here i don't know no sorry i thought you were

01:31:32.010 --> 01:31:34.609
no no you go it's fine you go i say did i like

01:31:34.609 --> 01:31:37.449
hard zone out for it or did we just kind of collectively

01:31:37.449 --> 01:31:40.649
just and unspokenly agree we can just leave the

01:31:40.649 --> 01:31:43.930
dark altar alone oh we mentioned we said they

01:31:43.930 --> 01:31:47.399
were grim dark enough I thought that was it,

01:31:47.500 --> 01:31:51.619
but I would say, okay, okay. They're fine. Yeah,

01:31:51.619 --> 01:31:57.079
they're fine. My last two points were Grimdark,

01:31:57.279 --> 01:32:02.140
nuke the Leagues of Otan immediately. That's

01:32:02.140 --> 01:32:05.180
not Grimdark. You just want them exploded. I

01:32:05.180 --> 01:32:07.220
literally thought, when are we going to talk

01:32:07.220 --> 01:32:09.279
about the Wotan? And he said, before that, and

01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:12.579
I thought, oh, here we go. I have no notes. Immediately

01:32:12.579 --> 01:32:17.500
nuke every... votan child so they're not there's

01:32:17.500 --> 01:32:21.260
no votan children they're all grown um nuke every

01:32:21.260 --> 01:32:25.600
votan from existence uh eat your heart out off

01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:30.859
the bones um and my last one is i wish there

01:32:30.859 --> 01:32:34.500
was another faction other than tau because tau

01:32:34.500 --> 01:32:36.399
is like i forgot almost forgot tau there every

01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:39.060
second guys we have any notes for tau i don't

01:32:39.060 --> 01:32:41.399
know if there's anything to do with tau i i think

01:32:41.399 --> 01:32:46.100
tau's progression has to be pit their naivety

01:32:46.100 --> 01:32:49.279
against the reality of the setting and have them

01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:53.439
continually lose their morals as they realize

01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:58.760
every species that followed the Eldar gets worse

01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:02.340
and worse and worse because that's the only way

01:33:02.340 --> 01:33:05.550
they can survive. Humanity sucks. had a meteoric

01:33:05.550 --> 01:33:08.270
rise and then a calamitous fall because they

01:33:08.270 --> 01:33:10.329
didn't have a choice to an extent of like, oh,

01:33:10.449 --> 01:33:12.470
we're kind of screwed anyway. There's already

01:33:12.470 --> 01:33:14.390
a big rip in reality called the Eye of Terror.

01:33:14.630 --> 01:33:16.970
We've already got the Necrons, the Eldar, the

01:33:16.970 --> 01:33:19.789
Dark Eldar. We've got the Orcs already. We've

01:33:19.789 --> 01:33:21.609
got Chaos. We've got everything to deal with.

01:33:22.310 --> 01:33:25.189
Every species that follows gets a worse deal.

01:33:25.409 --> 01:33:28.590
And so the Tau have to be like, right, we have

01:33:28.590 --> 01:33:33.550
to abandon maybe compassion, then maybe mercy.

01:33:34.220 --> 01:33:36.359
then maybe we have to abandon, you know, like,

01:33:36.380 --> 01:33:42.140
Tau rights. And then it's a continual, like,

01:33:42.180 --> 01:33:45.880
begrudging acceptance of, oh, if we want to not

01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:49.300
be slaughtered, we can't be no good no more.

01:33:49.460 --> 01:33:53.500
Yeah. Even if they don't do that, their grimdark

01:33:53.500 --> 01:33:55.899
can be, like, the contrast. It's like, look,

01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:58.210
we have, like, you know. even if you made them

01:33:58.210 --> 01:34:00.489
like totally unironic good guys right here's

01:34:00.489 --> 01:34:03.090
the star trek federation they're great it's lovely

01:34:03.090 --> 01:34:06.590
come be peaceful and then you zoom out just an

01:34:06.590 --> 01:34:09.489
inch and it's like oh you're like a percentage

01:34:09.489 --> 01:34:12.670
of a percentage of the galaxy you're so have

01:34:12.670 --> 01:34:15.489
a story like where it's like we are not going

01:34:15.489 --> 01:34:17.829
to abandon our morals let's see how well that

01:34:17.829 --> 01:34:20.220
works out for you like That could be a story

01:34:20.220 --> 01:34:22.880
arc. That could be a faction arc of like, we'll

01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:24.699
never abandon our ideals and say, well, guess

01:34:24.699 --> 01:34:27.359
what? You're doomed to perish. And that could

01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:30.439
be their thing. But it's like, it underlines

01:34:30.439 --> 01:34:33.199
the setting. And then it could be like, oh, unlike

01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:36.340
the Eldar who scrapped with their fingernails

01:34:36.340 --> 01:34:39.039
to try and survive, the Eldar willingly embraced

01:34:39.039 --> 01:34:41.100
annihilation rather than become monsters. That

01:34:41.100 --> 01:34:43.600
could be their thing. They could be humble right

01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:47.220
to a fault. But there has to be a cost, I think.

01:34:47.949 --> 01:34:50.590
So that would be interesting. I was going to

01:34:50.590 --> 01:34:53.970
end it on, I had an idea for another faction,

01:34:54.170 --> 01:35:00.050
like a dark version of the Tau, which is, you

01:35:00.050 --> 01:35:02.590
know, there's loads of minor, like, Xenos factions,

01:35:02.710 --> 01:35:07.210
and wow, they're kind of interesting. Like, God,

01:35:07.350 --> 01:35:09.970
I blanked it there massively then. I was thinking

01:35:09.970 --> 01:35:15.189
about... The Trust, the Felonids, the Longshank,

01:35:15.270 --> 01:35:19.930
well, they're abhumans. oretti there's something

01:35:19.930 --> 01:35:22.109
with the fraud sorry the hard was what i think

01:35:22.109 --> 01:35:24.829
right yeah other ones like i'd like the idea

01:35:24.829 --> 01:35:27.550
if there's a faction that is it's not chaos but

01:35:27.550 --> 01:35:32.670
like they come to an understanding of like life

01:35:32.670 --> 01:35:36.670
in the universe of warhammer is fundamentally

01:35:36.670 --> 01:35:40.630
not worth it so the idea of this faction is to

01:35:40.630 --> 01:35:44.510
simply gather a force large enough to basically

01:35:44.510 --> 01:35:49.500
end all of existence To stop the cycle. And not

01:35:49.500 --> 01:35:51.439
like chaos. Like sacrifice of the war. I just

01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:54.960
mean end chaos too. Like you know the cabal said.

01:35:55.079 --> 01:36:00.119
If you kill all humans. It will supposedly save

01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:03.760
all the other species. Just do that. Just have

01:36:03.760 --> 01:36:06.180
like a faction. Just like you know what guys.

01:36:06.819 --> 01:36:10.180
Let's just all end it. That would be pretty cool.

01:36:11.659 --> 01:36:13.600
That's pretty grimdark. And pretty horrific.

01:36:14.020 --> 01:36:17.279
I guess other than that though. I think that's

01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:21.060
most of the factions done. I think that's how

01:36:21.060 --> 01:36:24.439
we grim docked it up as best we can, obviously

01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:28.140
without 100 hours prep time. I'm not going to

01:36:28.140 --> 01:36:30.180
throw babies into a meat grinder or anything

01:36:30.180 --> 01:36:33.739
like that. We're not getting that stupid. But

01:36:33.739 --> 01:36:37.579
we did have some minis of the week. I think we

01:36:37.579 --> 01:36:40.880
had some from the previous. episodes also previous

01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:44.779
um things but we've also got some for this episode

01:36:44.779 --> 01:36:47.220
because you guys been although again if you want

01:36:47.220 --> 01:36:49.399
to join our discord uh that's where you can watch

01:36:49.399 --> 01:36:51.579
the live streams unedited and that's what the

01:36:51.579 --> 01:36:53.899
donation stuff is uh check out our discourse

01:36:53.899 --> 01:36:56.579
and then we have our little channels where there's

01:36:56.579 --> 01:36:59.760
uh people submit their tabletop stuff yeah we've

01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:02.340
each chosen a selection what we got first andy

01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:06.359
So the first one is the one that you chose. This

01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:10.100
is from Saint Wagons. Can you tell us about this

01:37:10.100 --> 01:37:15.560
one? Look at how, like, that slaps you in the

01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:19.260
face, doesn't it? It's got a lovely font. Yeah,

01:37:19.300 --> 01:37:23.319
that is, like, particularly the, I don't know,

01:37:23.340 --> 01:37:25.199
was it the nudgles or whatever it's called, like

01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:27.920
on his hands, which go, like, feed into his massive

01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:33.520
gun. That is pretty cool. This thing fucks. that

01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:37.939
is a that is a silhouette this model if also

01:37:37.939 --> 01:37:41.579
well painted white always is just like incredibly

01:37:41.579 --> 01:37:44.199
impressive to me because i'm so with painting

01:37:44.199 --> 01:37:49.140
white i never also it reminds me of like a molten

01:37:49.140 --> 01:37:52.729
like you've got The molten orange, you've got

01:37:52.729 --> 01:37:55.010
the white ash, and you've got the charcoal black.

01:37:55.409 --> 01:37:59.729
It has all the elements of a cohesive color palette.

01:38:00.350 --> 01:38:03.829
It's like a fiery molten ether in it thing. It

01:38:03.829 --> 01:38:08.689
looks good. It makes me want to paint some of

01:38:08.689 --> 01:38:11.970
my new models white, because that's really good.

01:38:12.170 --> 01:38:17.189
I really enjoy that, man. I know, it's STEM.

01:38:20.630 --> 01:38:23.470
Colin's enjoying this. Chef's kiss. He's enjoying

01:38:23.470 --> 01:38:26.829
it. This person's a good painter. Thank you very

01:38:26.829 --> 01:38:29.710
much, brother. Thank you. Colin, this one is

01:38:29.710 --> 01:38:34.930
from Fat Man Kitchen. What's up with this one?

01:38:35.170 --> 01:38:39.130
You mentioned... This is what, by the way, when

01:38:39.130 --> 01:38:41.430
I said I was trying to find the name of something,

01:38:41.670 --> 01:38:45.289
we have here our nice... This is a battle mech.

01:38:45.409 --> 01:38:49.439
I know this is a battle mech. I think... it's

01:38:49.439 --> 01:38:53.779
a chameleon i think it's a chameleon but i don't

01:38:53.779 --> 01:38:57.199
know for certain either way i love it it's got

01:38:57.199 --> 01:38:59.760
like that retro paint scheme and i think it's

01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:01.800
done quite well especially i like the little

01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:04.279
like you know how bright it is but at the same

01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:05.979
time like you know you've got the little like

01:39:05.979 --> 01:39:09.359
the like the white on the cockpit window as if

01:39:09.359 --> 01:39:11.560
it's like you know it's like the light reflecting

01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:15.710
off of it i like the I just, I like it. It's,

01:39:15.710 --> 01:39:17.869
it's very like simplistic, but very well done.

01:39:17.970 --> 01:39:21.409
I like when I like, I like minis like that, like

01:39:21.409 --> 01:39:23.529
in that older style, like that heavy metal style,

01:39:23.710 --> 01:39:26.050
I think they would call it, or even outside of

01:39:26.050 --> 01:39:28.310
like, you know, Warhammer, just that eighties,

01:39:28.390 --> 01:39:31.810
nineties, like very bright, flashy style. This

01:39:31.810 --> 01:39:35.050
is well done. Please tell me someone tell me

01:39:35.050 --> 01:39:39.210
what this fucking mech is almost positive. It's

01:39:39.210 --> 01:39:41.680
a chameleon. but i i don't know and that took

01:39:41.680 --> 01:39:44.979
me like in the background like 45 minutes of

01:39:44.979 --> 01:39:47.899
just scrolling through the battle tech wiki looking

01:39:47.899 --> 01:39:50.659
at pictures of max to try and figure out what

01:39:50.659 --> 01:39:53.779
it kind of has that it looks like an old rogue

01:39:53.779 --> 01:39:59.880
era trade uh rogue era titan but also like the

01:39:59.880 --> 01:40:01.640
way it looks it's like you know they're like

01:40:02.090 --> 01:40:04.409
They made those suits for ladies in the 70s,

01:40:04.409 --> 01:40:06.409
80s that had the big shoulders to make them more

01:40:06.409 --> 01:40:08.829
masculine. It's got that thing with the trousers

01:40:08.829 --> 01:40:11.390
and the gun. I'm like, that's pretty fun. It's

01:40:11.390 --> 01:40:15.510
like the big puffy shoulders. Nice reflection.

01:40:16.109 --> 01:40:19.029
And this is my dick from Miss Tyler. I also saw

01:40:19.029 --> 01:40:22.390
that one. This one is also just like... Yes.

01:40:23.930 --> 01:40:26.850
This is the opposite end of the spectrum where

01:40:26.850 --> 01:40:31.100
there's so much goddamn detail. Jesus, that sword.

01:40:31.239 --> 01:40:35.539
It's a Zeus. Thank you. Sorry. It's a Zeus. Yeah.

01:40:35.939 --> 01:40:38.960
One thing I love about this one is the little

01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:42.880
lantern in his left hand. It looks glowy. And

01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:45.100
so that's now on the foot. And so you can see

01:40:45.100 --> 01:40:48.260
the blue light on it. That's so well done. It

01:40:48.260 --> 01:40:51.979
looks like it's glowy. That's so good. Damn.

01:40:52.779 --> 01:40:57.979
And we all love the sword cleaner. Everyone loves

01:40:57.979 --> 01:41:01.300
the sword cleaner. It's our favorite. mini side

01:41:01.300 --> 01:41:03.260
character in all of Warhammer. It's the sword

01:41:03.260 --> 01:41:05.199
cleaner. What's his job? He cleans the sword.

01:41:05.659 --> 01:41:09.039
Poor Orc. And the Orc looks like gribbly as well.

01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:12.079
He looks completely messed up. That sword cleaner

01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:14.680
is definitely putting in the work right now.

01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:17.220
And I like how pristine Helbrecht and the sword

01:41:17.220 --> 01:41:20.239
cleaner are. And then how crusty the Orc is.

01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:23.500
He looks like it looks like the sword cleaner

01:41:23.500 --> 01:41:26.100
has put the work in to keep Helbrecht nice and

01:41:26.100 --> 01:41:27.939
shiny. And then the Orc just shows the talent

01:41:27.939 --> 01:41:31.420
of the painter to be like, oh, But this is what

01:41:31.420 --> 01:41:35.199
the result is. Before the cleaning, it just looks,

01:41:35.340 --> 01:41:39.479
oh, I love it. It's really good. Well done, Mr.

01:41:39.579 --> 01:41:42.899
Ivar. That's good stuff. I think we also had

01:41:42.899 --> 01:41:46.840
a question of the week from the previous weeks.

01:41:47.039 --> 01:41:49.819
I don't remember what the previous question was.

01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.520
I don't think I was there for that episode, unfortunately.

01:41:53.609 --> 01:41:56.170
It is unfortunate, but not to worry. We have

01:41:56.170 --> 01:41:59.470
greatest of best good questions of the week.

01:42:00.449 --> 01:42:04.649
It was simply hashtag thank wall. What setting

01:42:04.649 --> 01:42:08.069
are you tossing them into? There's quite a few

01:42:08.069 --> 01:42:09.869
good answers for this. I'm going to start off

01:42:09.869 --> 01:42:13.810
with a short one by Alex AAU. I'd plop thank

01:42:13.810 --> 01:42:19.069
wall the total war. You hear me? So true. So

01:42:19.069 --> 01:42:24.979
true. Where is he? Where's our boy? uh we have

01:42:24.979 --> 01:42:28.340
bennis dd uh just tossed a little bastard into

01:42:28.340 --> 01:42:31.739
the elder scrolls uh he'll blunder his way into

01:42:31.739 --> 01:42:35.100
recreating scaven from skeevers pluck every pick

01:42:35.100 --> 01:42:37.500
clean every dwemer ruin then cause black reach

01:42:37.500 --> 01:42:42.279
to cave in swallowing several old capitals there's

01:42:42.279 --> 01:42:44.579
a city called scaven in the elder scrolls fun

01:42:44.579 --> 01:42:46.939
fact his capital and the waiting is right there

01:42:46.939 --> 01:42:52.470
i think it's in hammer fell I need to check the

01:42:52.470 --> 01:42:56.729
maps. Oh, my God. I only know that because I

01:42:56.729 --> 01:42:59.130
bought from a Renaissance fair. They had a map

01:42:59.130 --> 01:43:01.789
of Tamriel, and I was looking at it. I was like,

01:43:01.869 --> 01:43:06.250
what are you doing there? Why is there a town

01:43:06.250 --> 01:43:10.710
called Skaven? Is Elder Scrolls 6 ever going

01:43:10.710 --> 01:43:14.489
to come out, Colin? No, no, no, no. But Skyrim

01:43:14.489 --> 01:43:17.609
will ten more times. They had a trailer for it

01:43:17.609 --> 01:43:22.279
seven years ago, didn't they? yeah sorry trailer

01:43:22.279 --> 01:43:27.800
tease a 10 10 second teaser something i was announcing

01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:30.260
they were thinking about working on it i gotta

01:43:30.260 --> 01:43:32.760
be honest i saw the trailer yesterday for stranger

01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:35.199
than heaven the prequel to yakuza set in like

01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:40.079
the 19 1913 to 65 there's a time span and snoop

01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:42.359
dog is in it i'm like i don't give a fuck about

01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:45.960
gta 5 gta 6 or uh elder scrolls i don't care

01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:48.399
give me that give me snoop dog and a yak as a

01:43:48.399 --> 01:43:53.149
game i don't care anymore Let's go. We got a

01:43:53.149 --> 01:43:57.710
few more. Velpress. I would put the funny rat

01:43:57.710 --> 01:44:01.010
into Lord of the Rings. Imagine Sauron's reaction

01:44:01.010 --> 01:44:03.270
when he finds the ring has been stolen from Gollum

01:44:03.270 --> 01:44:05.329
or the Fellowship by a rat who would trade it

01:44:05.329 --> 01:44:09.090
for magic crack. That's pretty good. Bruh. And

01:44:09.090 --> 01:44:12.770
then the last one from Exported Cheese. Wow,

01:44:12.909 --> 01:44:15.310
that's a good name. I would send him to Blizzard's

01:44:15.310 --> 01:44:19.659
office for killing my turtle. There's a backstory

01:44:19.659 --> 01:44:25.680
there. There's lore to that one. I'm sorry to

01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:30.800
hear that happened. We don't have time to unpack

01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:34.140
all that. This trauma should stay in its box

01:44:34.140 --> 01:44:36.579
for now. I think a lot of people have sent packages

01:44:36.579 --> 01:44:39.380
to blizzards, to be honest. Oh yeah, when they

01:44:39.380 --> 01:44:43.199
sent all the... Not as a blizzard, to Bethesda,

01:44:43.220 --> 01:44:45.340
when they had a bunch of bottle caps when 76

01:44:45.340 --> 01:44:50.880
came out. weigh this yeah just don't send blizzard

01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:54.779
any breast milk nope don't do that anyway that

01:44:54.779 --> 01:44:58.800
was uh that was that was making warhammer so

01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:01.739
we need a question of the week this week um we

01:45:01.739 --> 01:45:06.319
could just how would you make 40k yeah how's

01:45:06.319 --> 01:45:09.500
that grim how would you make 40k grim but give

01:45:09.500 --> 01:45:12.000
the wrong answer like don't give an actual proper

01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:15.819
answer like like just give me an answer which

01:45:15.819 --> 01:45:18.880
makes absolutely no sense so we have so eli has

01:45:18.880 --> 01:45:20.720
to read it out next time but like what did you

01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:24.579
guys even talk about so yes how would you make

01:45:24.579 --> 01:45:28.359
40k more grim completely wrong completely wrong

01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:31.399
yeah like just just start just yapping about

01:45:31.399 --> 01:45:35.659
like unicron or something or something just total

01:45:35.659 --> 01:45:38.539
nonsense like how you just opening up like a

01:45:38.539 --> 01:45:41.140
a dog petting shop or something like just completely

01:45:41.140 --> 01:45:44.680
confuse him yeah so he's not ready for it uh

01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:47.119
that being said though i thank you guys everyone

01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:48.920
for listening for watching of course you want

01:45:48.920 --> 01:45:51.079
to check us out offline and spotify and other

01:45:51.079 --> 01:45:53.880
parts and obviously dude on the discord because

01:45:53.880 --> 01:45:57.619
then you can be involved and get you know access

01:45:57.619 --> 01:46:01.560
to offline although our streams unedited you

01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:04.229
know with the donations and all that funny crap

01:46:04.229 --> 01:46:07.930
we say you make us say all the time and we'll

01:46:07.930 --> 01:46:10.689
catch you guys all in the next one peace bye

01:46:10.689 --> 01:46:15.430
everybody i knew your face was waiting unlimited

01:46:15.430 --> 01:46:19.010
power