WEBVTT 00:00:12.650 --> 00:00:14.230 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. 00:00:14.289 --> 00:00:16.649 Welcome back to Lore Crimes. There's nothing 00:00:16.649 --> 00:00:20.589 ever shifty going on on Lore Crimes. Never buy 00:00:20.589 --> 00:00:23.309 crypto. It's a scam. How are we doing, folks? 00:00:24.170 --> 00:00:27.589 Hey, guys. Welcome to another episode. Colin 00:00:27.589 --> 00:00:30.289 is not with us today. He's actually shorting 00:00:30.289 --> 00:00:34.950 Lore Coin as we speak. He's able to make this 00:00:34.950 --> 00:00:37.829 episode. Short selling as we speak. Yeah. Welcome 00:00:37.829 --> 00:00:42.969 back to the Crimes podcast, guys. We should say, 00:00:43.009 --> 00:00:45.670 I always forget this every single time. We are 00:00:45.670 --> 00:00:48.509 in other places. We are on Spotify, all that 00:00:48.509 --> 00:00:51.829 good stuff. And do join our Discord because that 00:00:51.829 --> 00:00:54.590 helps make episodes. You get more stuff. You 00:00:54.590 --> 00:00:56.689 can see the live episodes, links, all that good 00:00:56.689 --> 00:00:59.890 stuff in there. But we have a cool topic today. 00:01:00.009 --> 00:01:02.789 We decided we don't need to teach people lore 00:01:02.789 --> 00:01:07.469 today. We need to discuss some heinous ideas. 00:01:07.810 --> 00:01:10.890 We need to discuss some heresy, boys. We need 00:01:10.890 --> 00:01:14.340 to kill the Emperor. We need to kill the Emperor 00:01:14.340 --> 00:01:19.319 of Mankind. Eli was gagging in his seat for this 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.480 topic. Was I? Yeah, and he is so gassed because 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:26.219 we're going to explore today how we could actually 00:01:26.219 --> 00:01:31.379 theoretically enact the Terminus Decree by the 00:01:31.379 --> 00:01:33.760 Grey Knights, of course. They don't need much 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:36.459 introduction, but we will, for the uninitiated, 00:01:36.459 --> 00:01:38.439 maybe explain a little bit. Andy, do you want 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:40.439 to give a really brief rundown of Grey Knights? 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:43.950 Because it's not an episode about them. But it 00:01:43.950 --> 00:01:46.890 is. But we need to discuss how they're going 00:01:46.890 --> 00:01:51.349 to do the funny in this episode. Well, the Grey 00:01:51.349 --> 00:01:55.430 Knights are essentially an elite band of space 00:01:55.430 --> 00:01:58.950 marines who are all descended not from the gene 00:01:58.950 --> 00:02:01.269 seed of a Primarch, but from the Emperor himself. 00:02:01.790 --> 00:02:04.129 So they all have a little bit of big E in them. 00:02:04.390 --> 00:02:07.230 And every single Grey Knight is a psyker and 00:02:07.230 --> 00:02:09.889 a very strong one at that. And even though, for 00:02:09.889 --> 00:02:15.680 example, every... Grey Knight is a Psyker. They're 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:18.800 not necessarily a Librarian. So a Librarian in 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:21.419 the Grey Knights is like an uber Psyker. And 00:02:21.419 --> 00:02:23.520 a normal Grey Knight is basically comparable 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:26.860 to like any Space Marine Librarian. They're kind 00:02:26.860 --> 00:02:29.240 of like, what if we put the Thousand Suns on 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:33.419 steroids? Because as good as a Psyker as Magnus 00:02:33.419 --> 00:02:36.099 was, these guys are descended from the Emperor. 00:02:36.340 --> 00:02:38.759 So they are like uber Psyker. They're like super 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:42.000 duper elite soldiers. And their job is to root 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:45.460 out chaos, chaos, incursions and demonic stuff 00:02:45.460 --> 00:02:49.639 across the universe. They are like, if it takes 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.360 a million, one in a million to become a space 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:56.520 Marine, it's like one in a billion. Come a great 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:58.379 night. And they're pretty cool. They're pretty 00:02:58.379 --> 00:03:01.199 cool. I like them. They're lovely. Yeah. They're 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:03.879 pretty, they, uh, they have their little fortress 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:08.719 monastery on Titan, the moon. And, uh, I mean, 00:03:08.740 --> 00:03:10.780 very briefly, there's some stuff where they're 00:03:10.780 --> 00:03:14.219 founded by Malkador and the Emperor during the 00:03:14.219 --> 00:03:17.819 Horus Heresy, all that good stuff. Man proceeded 00:03:17.819 --> 00:03:20.979 to grab the moon and put it, like, hide the moon. 00:03:21.979 --> 00:03:24.479 Not like Despicable Me for all the, you know, 00:03:24.500 --> 00:03:27.300 40 -year -old mums out there. He just grabbed 00:03:27.300 --> 00:03:29.680 the moon, hid it, and when they emerged, they 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:33.180 emerged as this new, is it the 666th chapter 00:03:33.180 --> 00:03:34.860 or something they call themselves? Yeah, for 00:03:34.860 --> 00:03:37.409 fun. Yeah, why not? And they're pretty, again, 00:03:37.569 --> 00:03:39.430 they're all psychers, though, in this chapter. 00:03:39.590 --> 00:03:41.789 They are all psychers. They have incredibly powerful 00:03:41.789 --> 00:03:44.949 weapons. All that good stuff. Their names are 00:03:44.949 --> 00:03:47.110 derived from demon entities so that they can 00:03:47.110 --> 00:03:49.629 use them against demonic kinds. So they're like, 00:03:49.770 --> 00:03:53.889 oh, what's your name? And it's kind of like how 00:03:53.889 --> 00:03:57.710 Dark Angels have, like, there's two Azraels, 00:03:57.810 --> 00:04:00.830 because why wouldn't there be? There's one during 00:04:00.830 --> 00:04:02.669 the Siege of Drax. And it's like, that's not 00:04:02.669 --> 00:04:07.469 Azrael. That's Azrael. But Grey Knights is more 00:04:07.469 --> 00:04:09.270 like we have power over the demons because we 00:04:09.270 --> 00:04:11.969 use their lore against them. It's kind of fun. 00:04:12.349 --> 00:04:15.189 And yeah, they're pretty fun. I like them. The 00:04:15.189 --> 00:04:16.829 cool part about Grey Knights as well is that 00:04:16.829 --> 00:04:19.269 as a group of slikers, they're trained to be 00:04:19.269 --> 00:04:22.750 more powerful in proximity to each other. So 00:04:22.750 --> 00:04:24.490 they're able... I mean, they've had a few good 00:04:24.490 --> 00:04:27.069 feats. They've banished Angron like a hundred 00:04:27.069 --> 00:04:33.589 times at this point. Thanks, Possum. You're welcome. 00:04:35.579 --> 00:04:36.920 Cheers, man. He says thanks for the feet pics. 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:40.139 There were no feet pics. I have no legs. It's 00:04:40.139 --> 00:04:43.920 fine. It's just tentacles, as clearly our avatars 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:48.339 represent. Cool thing about Grey Knights is as 00:04:48.339 --> 00:04:50.620 a character, we're not going over the entire 00:04:50.620 --> 00:04:54.339 faction. This is more about pertaining to the 00:04:54.339 --> 00:04:57.160 infamous thing called the Terminus Decree. Eli, 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:58.779 do you want to explain a little bit about the 00:04:58.779 --> 00:05:00.680 history? Not the exact Terminus Decree. I've 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:02.860 got my codex here and I can read it out, but 00:05:02.860 --> 00:05:05.100 do you want to explain a little? history about 00:05:05.100 --> 00:05:07.680 this thing because it's kind of it's the history 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:10.079 of the terminus decree you mean like outside 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:13.240 of like just all the changes and stuff to it 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:17.040 like what do you mean well like it was just mysterious 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:19.579 wasn't it it was an unknown it's an unknown decree 00:05:19.579 --> 00:05:22.300 that they've revealed recently and it was very 00:05:22.300 --> 00:05:27.519 controversial when they uh revealed it as of 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.540 uh what the latest great knights codex All right. 00:05:30.860 --> 00:05:34.100 Before we could you tell us before we knew what 00:05:34.100 --> 00:05:38.740 it was, why it was such a I guess what would 00:05:38.740 --> 00:05:41.480 the word be like a tantalizing prospect of like 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.480 why was it the Grey Knights for so long had this 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.160 thing that everyone's like, I wonder what that's 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.459 about. And then a lot of people have recently 00:05:48.459 --> 00:05:51.000 been like, oh, it's ruined because it was cool. 00:05:51.060 --> 00:05:53.300 And now it's not like what was the what was the 00:05:53.300 --> 00:05:57.600 like pre reveal of what it was? What was so special 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.720 about this thing? i don't actually know i don't 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:05.100 i don't i read i'm not i'm not a i'm not a space 00:06:05.100 --> 00:06:07.579 marine enjoyer in the first place i don't know 00:06:07.579 --> 00:06:10.779 the intricacies there weren't intricacies but 00:06:10.779 --> 00:06:13.519 like it was just like oh what was the the nuts 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:19.779 and bolts of like it's just like it's the emergency 00:06:19.779 --> 00:06:27.889 like top level uh sort of doomsday button that 00:06:27.889 --> 00:06:31.009 if the whatever mystery event happens they would 00:06:31.009 --> 00:06:33.470 enact the terminus decree is the last resort 00:06:33.470 --> 00:06:36.310 like that's kind of it really like it wasn't 00:06:36.310 --> 00:06:38.629 yeah i don't know if i think people had theories 00:06:38.629 --> 00:06:41.910 for a long time like because it like what could 00:06:41.910 --> 00:06:45.269 it possibly have been like um i don't know if 00:06:45.269 --> 00:06:48.290 i even had i come up so on my own before but 00:06:48.290 --> 00:06:50.850 a lot basically people been theorizing about 00:06:50.850 --> 00:06:53.569 this supposed termless decree for many many years 00:06:53.569 --> 00:06:57.129 in the community they left it as a secret i don't 00:06:57.129 --> 00:06:58.509 know if eli is more of the opinion of like they 00:06:58.509 --> 00:07:02.589 shouldn't have said anything you know i i honestly 00:07:02.589 --> 00:07:05.069 i like didn't really care that much to me to 00:07:05.069 --> 00:07:07.370 be totally honest the great knights have been 00:07:07.370 --> 00:07:10.509 like uh thrown around like a sack of potatoes 00:07:10.509 --> 00:07:13.790 for their lore since like third or second or 00:07:13.790 --> 00:07:16.800 third edition and onwards they've changed so 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:21.199 much they even did a little pastiche on this 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.439 with space king where their equivalent of the 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:26.740 terminus decree was oh they made a female psycho 00:07:26.740 --> 00:07:29.019 warrior therefore all the chapters of psycho 00:07:29.019 --> 00:07:31.879 warriors converge to destroy it because no girls 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:34.019 allowed and that was their like that was their 00:07:34.019 --> 00:07:36.279 little reference to like oh the doomsday has 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.139 come their equivalent of the term is terminus 00:07:39.139 --> 00:07:42.180 decree is like oh no woman like oh no i guess 00:07:42.180 --> 00:07:46.939 i guess one could say Like the Grey Knights killing 00:07:46.939 --> 00:07:49.339 the Emperor as their doomsday button is kind 00:07:49.339 --> 00:07:53.800 of stupid sounding. But other than that, I don't 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:57.420 really care. I don't know. Well, I think it's 00:07:57.420 --> 00:07:59.839 fair to say that in very simple terms, it's like 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:02.220 their charge was just making sure he doesn't 00:08:02.220 --> 00:08:05.360 get off the chair. So stay on the throne. Never 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:08.420 leave the throne. Our mission is you do not under 00:08:08.420 --> 00:08:11.459 any circumstance get off the throne because when 00:08:11.459 --> 00:08:13.279 we were established from the Knights Errant. 00:08:13.899 --> 00:08:16.860 we were made to combat chaos and when we were 00:08:16.860 --> 00:08:21.079 established um we were in like a vigil and then 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:24.680 when we got out of our little like bubble in 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:29.160 space it was like oh now the emperor's on the 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.300 throne so all we know is he's always on the throne 00:08:31.300 --> 00:08:33.899 therefore keep him on the throne because that's 00:08:33.899 --> 00:08:36.960 all we know surely that's a good idea and to 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:40.629 be fair the implications are If he comes off 00:08:40.629 --> 00:08:42.909 the throne, maybe he's reborn into the, like, 00:08:42.909 --> 00:08:48.789 star child. Or maybe demons will infest the Imperial 00:08:48.789 --> 00:08:51.570 Palace and kill everyone on Terra. So that's, 00:08:51.570 --> 00:08:57.590 like, quite a balance of risk. Yeah. Well, speaking 00:08:57.590 --> 00:09:01.169 of clarity, I, as a man who is also afraid of 00:09:01.169 --> 00:09:04.490 women and play Grey Knights, I have the Grey 00:09:04.490 --> 00:09:07.700 Knights Codex. And I do, in fact, have the Terminus 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:09.919 Decree, the infamous one that's been revealed. 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:12.480 And I'll read it out just so we can establish 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:17.679 the lines for this episode, which is... Here 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:21.639 we go. It is the Terminus Decree. Held in a simple 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:24.340 wooden box that only the Supreme Grand Master 00:09:24.340 --> 00:09:27.860 may open, the Terminus Decree details the Emperor's 00:09:27.860 --> 00:09:31.220 final command to the Grey Knights Chapter. The 00:09:31.220 --> 00:09:33.889 Master of Mankind... can never be allowed to 00:09:33.889 --> 00:09:37.149 leave the Golden Throne. Either return to life, 00:09:37.350 --> 00:09:41.070 reborn in another's body, or ascend as some kind 00:09:41.070 --> 00:09:44.649 of warp entity. And if he does, the Grey Knights 00:09:44.649 --> 00:09:47.830 must return him to his terrible duty. Indeed, 00:09:48.129 --> 00:09:51.009 they were created with a possibility of this 00:09:51.009 --> 00:09:54.070 event in mind, a task beyond the abilities of 00:09:54.070 --> 00:09:57.590 any other force in the Imperium. The Decree offers 00:09:57.590 --> 00:10:00.690 no guidance on how such feats might be achieved. 00:10:01.610 --> 00:10:04.450 For it is neither a weapon nor a magic formula. 00:10:04.850 --> 00:10:07.750 Rather, the Grey Knights would themselves be 00:10:07.750 --> 00:10:11.470 the weapon on such a desperate day that one would 00:10:11.470 --> 00:10:13.649 likely have to cut a path through the ranks of 00:10:13.649 --> 00:10:16.970 the custodian guard and many others to see its 00:10:16.970 --> 00:10:21.970 duty done. That is the Terminus Decree. And supposedly 00:10:21.970 --> 00:10:27.710 only the Grandmasters know this. So this is the 00:10:27.710 --> 00:10:32.740 premise that... i guess set off the kind of talk 00:10:32.740 --> 00:10:35.179 ever since we found out about this because everyone 00:10:35.179 --> 00:10:36.980 thought this might be the stupidest idea i've 00:10:36.980 --> 00:10:39.980 ever heard or how could they possibly even achieve 00:10:39.980 --> 00:10:45.720 this because yeah uh well yeah we we will and 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.279 we will establish the defenses they have to go 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:51.379 through like next but i would say like as initial 00:10:51.379 --> 00:10:54.899 reaction i didn't hate the idea because it like 00:10:54.899 --> 00:10:58.990 i don't know what else could match like a a termless 00:10:58.990 --> 00:11:02.870 decree level event i don't know how else they 00:11:02.870 --> 00:11:05.190 could have topped that i don't know like if there 00:11:05.190 --> 00:11:07.149 was any good alternative really but the idea 00:11:07.149 --> 00:11:08.750 of like they just have to make sure the emperor 00:11:08.750 --> 00:11:11.669 stays on the golden throne it's a cool concept 00:11:11.669 --> 00:11:14.750 but i genuinely think the practicalities might 00:11:14.750 --> 00:11:17.110 be a bit beyond them but we're going to discuss 00:11:17.110 --> 00:11:19.509 how they could do it because i think it could 00:11:19.509 --> 00:11:23.330 be a quite funny uh scenario in the end did you 00:11:23.330 --> 00:11:24.950 guys have any thoughts like did you also think 00:11:24.950 --> 00:11:28.539 it was a bit Like, is there a better example 00:11:28.539 --> 00:11:32.080 of a Terms to Creed rather than basically shelf 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.559 the Emperor back on his wheelchair? It's not 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:36.519 quite the same, but it does give me mirrors of, 00:11:36.539 --> 00:11:39.419 like, the Last Wall Protocol, where the Imperial 00:11:39.419 --> 00:11:41.539 Fists have that thing where it's, oh, if ever 00:11:41.539 --> 00:11:45.000 shit really hits the fan, we've all got to assemble 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.419 all of our successors to try and help out. And 00:11:48.419 --> 00:11:50.779 that's the only thing I can think of that's kind 00:11:50.779 --> 00:11:56.000 of similar in, like, Last Gambit. I have no other 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:00.200 choice. We have to do this if needed. But I can't 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:05.120 think of anything that has such a cataclysmic 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.860 outcome as the Terminus Decree because it's the 00:12:07.860 --> 00:12:10.980 Emperor we're talking about. The Emperor is humanity. 00:12:11.019 --> 00:12:14.620 If the Emperor dies, you're screwed because he's 00:12:14.620 --> 00:12:17.120 literally all there is left to a certain extent. 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:24.200 What about you, Eli? I mean, it sounds dumb. 00:12:24.620 --> 00:12:29.440 I'm not going to lie. Like, Malkador was thinking 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:31.320 about this when he made the Grey Knights, and 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.019 it was like part of why he made the Grey Knights, 00:12:33.059 --> 00:12:36.600 to keep his best friend in eternal damnation 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:39.559 forever. Like, what a jerk. Well, to be fair, 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:42.759 Malkador didn't know that he was going to get 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:46.580 wounded by Horus. So I suppose, because when 00:12:46.580 --> 00:12:49.279 Malkador was alive, he was like, oh, the Emperor 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:53.070 is sitting on the throne. He's okay. He didn't 00:12:53.070 --> 00:12:56.009 have his arm cut off. He wasn't impaired by the 00:12:56.009 --> 00:12:59.210 talent of Horus. He was managing to cope pretty 00:12:59.210 --> 00:13:02.149 well. So I guess at the time, maybe he was like, 00:13:02.230 --> 00:13:05.789 oh, well, I didn't expect that the Emperor would 00:13:05.789 --> 00:13:08.870 be whatever this thing is. Cue picture of the 00:13:08.870 --> 00:13:13.769 Emperor looking like a prune. So with the information 00:13:13.769 --> 00:13:18.990 he had, maybe it wasn't such a bad fate. It does 00:13:18.990 --> 00:13:22.860 stay. it is the emperor's final command to the 00:13:22.860 --> 00:13:25.139 grey knights so it doesn't imply that it came 00:13:25.139 --> 00:13:28.919 from the emperor which is and it would have been 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.340 before he went to fight horus as well it would 00:13:31.340 --> 00:13:32.639 have been before he went to the vengeful spirit 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:36.639 and it says with the possibility like this they 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:38.600 were the grenades were made with the possibility 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:40.899 of this event in mind so it's not saying the 00:13:40.899 --> 00:13:44.679 only reason but if if he had to be kept from 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:47.850 the throne he that the custodians were basically 00:13:47.850 --> 00:13:52.230 no good for this task. They wouldn't do it. They 00:13:52.230 --> 00:13:54.730 wouldn't fight the Emperor unless it's ending 00:13:54.730 --> 00:13:57.730 the death part three stuff where they get corrupted 00:13:57.730 --> 00:13:59.549 by chaos. That's the first time. That's interesting. 00:13:59.690 --> 00:14:05.370 Yay. Yeah, that looks pretty... It's a pretty 00:14:05.370 --> 00:14:09.409 big task for the Grey Knights. They've got a 00:14:09.409 --> 00:14:11.070 few things to get through, though, don't they, 00:14:11.110 --> 00:14:14.009 Andy? Which is, we should probably talk about... 00:14:14.350 --> 00:14:16.950 like who's guarding the emperor because obviously 00:14:16.950 --> 00:14:19.370 the emperor is just sitting on the golden throne 00:14:19.370 --> 00:14:23.429 it's a vast chamber but he sits in a nice uh 00:14:23.429 --> 00:14:26.769 the comfiest gothic cathedral you've ever seen 00:14:26.769 --> 00:14:30.350 the imperial palace do you want to talk a little 00:14:30.350 --> 00:14:32.230 bit about the imperial palace andy because it's 00:14:32.230 --> 00:14:35.460 uh it's a big boy Well, the Imperial Palace, 00:14:35.620 --> 00:14:39.620 I think it's worth mentioning the book Cypher, 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:42.500 because that book does a great job of bringing 00:14:42.500 --> 00:14:46.240 context into what it's like to be there in the 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:49.620 41st millennium. It's not a nice place by any 00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:51.759 means. There are people who spend their entire 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:55.320 life savings to go visit the Golden Throne so 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:57.460 that they might bask in the Emperor's glow for 00:14:57.460 --> 00:15:00.620 a few seconds before they kind of. perish with 00:15:00.620 --> 00:15:02.600 their last ebbs of strength after working in 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:07.379 the mines for 70 years um terror is a fortress 00:15:07.379 --> 00:15:11.379 as much as it is a palace you've got the custodian 00:15:11.379 --> 00:15:13.600 guard of course who are the main companions of 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.879 the emperor who defend him but there's also the 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.159 planetary defense force there's the imperial 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:22.159 fists who recruit primarily from there and necromunda 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.759 and a few other planets There's the Lucifer Blacks 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:27.259 or what's left of them. There's the Assassinorum. 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:29.240 There's all these things that are involved in 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:35.200 terror. But it's kind of maddening. At least 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:36.940 in the Cypher book, it explains about how he's 00:15:36.940 --> 00:15:39.360 trying to infiltrate. Basically, the story of 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:41.059 the Cypher book is the Dark Angels are pursuing 00:15:41.059 --> 00:15:44.059 Cypher. And so Cypher has a few fallen angels 00:15:44.059 --> 00:15:46.759 with him. And so the Dark Angels are covertly 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.190 trying to track Cypher. on the throne world without 00:15:50.190 --> 00:15:52.110 being discovered by the custodians because they 00:15:52.110 --> 00:15:55.769 know they know they'll get crunked if the if 00:15:55.769 --> 00:15:58.330 the custodians spot the dark angels committing 00:15:58.330 --> 00:16:00.769 heresy on the throne world it's a bad deal all 00:16:00.769 --> 00:16:03.269 around so they're trying to secretly hunt down 00:16:03.269 --> 00:16:05.750 the fallen which is really difficult to do in 00:16:05.750 --> 00:16:08.370 the backyard of the most powerful man ever alive 00:16:08.370 --> 00:16:15.399 and it's a case of um Everyone is trying to destroy 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:17.820 the Dark Angels rather than the Fallen because 00:16:17.820 --> 00:16:19.740 the Fallen are a bit more clandestine and good 00:16:19.740 --> 00:16:23.399 at it. But they pull out all the stops in order 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:26.759 to stop them. And it's one of those kind of micro 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:30.879 -Badab war loyalist -on -loyalist aggression, 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:35.460 which is interesting. But no one other than the 00:16:35.460 --> 00:16:38.940 Traitor Legions has ever tried a Puron assault 00:16:38.940 --> 00:16:42.940 where they just go hammer blow, attack the... 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:46.159 the capital it's more we've it's always been 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:50.039 secret clandestine missions of small bands rather 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:53.200 than a full army so we've never quite seen other 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:57.240 than like what just in the throne where the minotaurs 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.059 and the custodians and the imperial fists were 00:17:00.059 --> 00:17:02.399 combating the cornet legions other than that 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:04.920 we haven't really seen like a big full -scale 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:08.200 assault of the imperial palace and that was demons 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.599 so it's fair game we should say as like the custodians 00:17:12.170 --> 00:17:17.049 just on a map could again like they're worth 00:17:17.049 --> 00:17:20.150 about more than ten space marines as in like 00:17:20.150 --> 00:17:22.450 that's just my theory in terms of combat abilities 00:17:22.450 --> 00:17:25.390 that's standing in the way there is they are 00:17:25.390 --> 00:17:29.269 called the 10 000. uh they they might have lost 00:17:29.269 --> 00:17:32.470 a few numbers since then a few of them are out 00:17:32.470 --> 00:17:36.390 on crusade on indomitus as well so there's some 00:17:36.390 --> 00:17:39.309 numbers out but we also say like beneath terror 00:17:39.309 --> 00:17:42.789 as well like in that cypher book It's an absolute 00:17:42.789 --> 00:17:46.509 maze. Like it explains how the custodians, they 00:17:46.509 --> 00:17:51.170 are the only ones who really know like the entire 00:17:51.170 --> 00:17:54.569 kind of complex that is like, I mean, you're 00:17:54.569 --> 00:17:56.569 talking about like every capital city on our 00:17:56.569 --> 00:17:59.009 world, like stacked on top of each other and 00:17:59.009 --> 00:18:01.750 then double it and give it to the next guy. Like 00:18:01.750 --> 00:18:05.329 it's, it's enormous. And we should also say the 00:18:05.329 --> 00:18:09.500 first problem is blood games. because because 00:18:09.500 --> 00:18:12.640 the custodians are known does anyone want to 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:14.099 explain what blood games are do you know what 00:18:14.099 --> 00:18:17.200 blood games are you though the uh the custodians 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:20.799 custodians get naked and oiled up and they hey 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.599 yo yo what it's a different kind of game and 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:27.019 they do their jojo poses all over the palace 00:18:27.019 --> 00:18:31.279 they it's a game where the custodians try to 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:33.700 basically kill the emperor to my to my knowledge 00:18:33.700 --> 00:18:36.150 and then you have to try to stop each other and 00:18:36.150 --> 00:18:38.509 whoever whoever can outsmart all the imperial 00:18:38.509 --> 00:18:42.990 palace defenses and whatnot uh i don't i don't 00:18:42.990 --> 00:18:44.829 know if there's an official winner or not but 00:18:44.829 --> 00:18:47.369 um basically they try their best to infiltrate 00:18:47.369 --> 00:18:49.769 the palace and kill the emperor to find all the 00:18:49.769 --> 00:18:52.890 security any possible security issues with the 00:18:52.890 --> 00:18:56.369 last person i knew who got the clothes this was 00:18:56.369 --> 00:18:59.049 rar in dimian he got like within the same room 00:18:59.049 --> 00:19:01.490 as the emperor he tried to attack him and then 00:19:01.490 --> 00:19:04.099 he was like thwarted because and like even though 00:19:04.099 --> 00:19:06.140 the emperor didn't lift a finger to stop him 00:19:06.140 --> 00:19:10.940 the valdor was like he would have just he knew 00:19:10.940 --> 00:19:13.339 you were there like he was he was humoring you 00:19:13.339 --> 00:19:15.720 at that point but you're the closest anyone's 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.680 ever got and he was kind of lost among terror 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.019 for about three four months just probing defenses 00:19:23.019 --> 00:19:26.380 trying to figure out how to get in using like 00:19:26.380 --> 00:19:29.640 a like a projection field to make himself seem 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.680 like more small scale than he's actually a lot 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:35.319 of people like how can a nine foot tall custodian 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:38.119 pretend to be a normal person they use like refractor 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:40.180 fields and stuff to make themselves look smaller 00:19:40.180 --> 00:19:42.759 he pretends to be an ab human with a hunched 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:45.079 posture so he looks more like an ogren or something 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:47.819 similar and it's like yeah they're not they're 00:19:47.819 --> 00:19:50.099 not just i'm just gonna grab my halberd and jump 00:19:50.099 --> 00:19:53.180 at him they're quite clever they use like even 00:19:53.180 --> 00:19:57.460 ammon in that trial this is a toxin which basically 00:19:57.930 --> 00:20:00.250 puts his body in like a death -like state to 00:20:00.250 --> 00:20:03.369 get through the scanners that like scan for like 00:20:03.369 --> 00:20:06.609 infiltrators so that his heart rate is low enough 00:20:06.609 --> 00:20:08.349 that it doesn't trigger the alarms and then he 00:20:08.349 --> 00:20:12.450 wakes up and say okay off i go to kill dad and 00:20:12.450 --> 00:20:16.309 um yeah like they're not by any means brute forcing 00:20:16.309 --> 00:20:19.230 it they're always doing everything they can to 00:20:19.230 --> 00:20:21.490 undermine the defenses because if they know where 00:20:21.490 --> 00:20:25.150 the weaknesses are they can plug the gaps i think 00:20:25.150 --> 00:20:32.200 even in games yeah he did yeah that's how his 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:35.519 primark book goes out i think he killed the custodians 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:39.200 which is and then shoves in the barrel yeah very 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:42.720 like two unarmed word bearers kill a custodian 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:45.940 i know but like alfarius when he was on their 00:20:45.940 --> 00:20:49.339 side killed the custodians which is kind of crazy 00:20:49.339 --> 00:20:52.259 yeah baldor was not too happy with him after 00:20:52.259 --> 00:20:54.460 that he understood the necessity but he was like 00:20:54.460 --> 00:20:57.289 yeah maybe might be a dumb question i've never 00:20:57.289 --> 00:20:59.690 thought about it until this second can they still 00:20:59.690 --> 00:21:03.890 make custodians yeah yeah it is completely i 00:21:03.890 --> 00:21:06.609 don't know how it's a complete mystery uh they 00:21:06.609 --> 00:21:09.529 their process is never revealed but they can 00:21:09.529 --> 00:21:13.049 like okay weird it seems like it that seems like 00:21:13.049 --> 00:21:16.710 a uh uh contradiction with what you would expect 00:21:16.710 --> 00:21:20.299 the trouble is at the beginning of the horus 00:21:20.299 --> 00:21:23.559 heresy there are 10 the 10 000 by the end of 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:27.880 the horus heresy there's like 9 000 dead so you've 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:29.960 got to build up the numbers and it wasn't easy 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:34.380 as far as i can tell but we don't fundamentally 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:36.920 know how a custodian all we know about how a 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.779 custodian is made is that they are so tailor 00:21:39.779 --> 00:21:43.640 -made it takes like a shitload of resources you 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:48.390 need like an entire like cast of maybe thousands 00:21:48.390 --> 00:21:53.230 of Biomancers, Sorcerers, Trainers, Bioengineers, 00:21:53.250 --> 00:21:57.529 whatever they use to make one person. Which is 00:21:57.529 --> 00:22:00.170 why it's weird that it's still around, that it's 00:22:00.170 --> 00:22:02.789 still possible. But the thing is, you could probably 00:22:02.789 --> 00:22:04.950 use those same resources to make an entire Space 00:22:04.950 --> 00:22:07.509 Marine chapter, and if you can only deploy one 00:22:07.509 --> 00:22:10.890 superhuman per warzone, you could have a thousand 00:22:10.890 --> 00:22:13.190 superhumans, and you could have multiple warzones 00:22:13.190 --> 00:22:16.970 across the galaxy. So it's like, it's it's like 00:22:16.970 --> 00:22:19.069 oh they and i think they've rebuilt to the 10 00:22:19.069 --> 00:22:21.769 000 again in current setting but they are just 00:22:21.769 --> 00:22:25.130 like if if if space marines are one in a thousand 00:22:25.130 --> 00:22:29.029 and grey knights are one in them or space marines 00:22:29.029 --> 00:22:31.049 are one in a million because uh grey knights 00:22:31.049 --> 00:22:33.309 are one in a billion and then custodians i guess 00:22:33.309 --> 00:22:36.109 are one in a trillion like they are very rare 00:22:36.109 --> 00:22:39.809 because although we should say there's more custodians 00:22:39.809 --> 00:22:42.369 and there are grey knights at the moment yeah 00:22:42.369 --> 00:22:45.269 all of this lore is so like weird and messed 00:22:45.269 --> 00:22:51.039 up as as the custodian topic they are there is 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:54.059 they lost a few of them a few i think thousand 00:22:54.059 --> 00:22:57.220 even after the so -called second seizure terror 00:22:57.220 --> 00:23:01.059 thing and yeah like after the um after the uh 00:23:01.059 --> 00:23:03.920 the great rift opened that some of them are on 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:09.180 indomitus they're a big problem uh you know they're 00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:11.180 incredibly deadly and there's quite a lot of 00:23:11.180 --> 00:23:14.220 them they know the palace defense is pretty extremely 00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:16.460 well and supposedly if the emperor is probably 00:23:16.460 --> 00:23:19.240 rising up or whatever is happening to the emperor 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:21.440 that they have to act they probably don't have 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.519 much time so that's probably their first hurdle 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:26.079 i think before we go any further should we get 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:32.019 to the first round of donations yeah the next 00:23:32.019 --> 00:23:35.019 slight problem we have in the pathway here though 00:23:35.019 --> 00:23:39.180 is the biggest problem we have the sisters of 00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:45.660 silence now This is an entirely female order 00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:48.900 of basically warrior monks. I guess, what's the 00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:52.200 female version of a monk? I don't know. None. 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:54.720 None. They're not quite sisters of battle, but 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:59.099 they are all psychic blanks. They are all nulls. 00:23:59.099 --> 00:24:02.400 And so with the Grey Knights, who are all psychers 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.700 and rely heavily on their psychic powers to essentially 00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:08.200 boost their strength and their skills beyond 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:13.099 that of normal librarians. This is a big fucking 00:24:13.099 --> 00:24:16.119 problem. There's no way around it. This is a 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:19.119 big problem. Not impossible to deal with, but 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.640 this is the next obstacle I would say they have 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:26.220 to deal with. Also, to be fair, some of them... 00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:29.779 We should say some of them are on their black 00:24:29.779 --> 00:24:32.960 ships across the galaxy. They are... In the 40k 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:39.220 time, they are a order being reformed. They were 00:24:39.220 --> 00:24:42.680 basically... implies that they were killed slash 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:47.579 half destroyed by the ecclesiarchy in their history. 00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:50.599 So obviously they're not quite at full strength. 00:24:50.619 --> 00:24:54.220 I believe it is in the same trilogy, not the 00:24:54.220 --> 00:24:56.579 two books. It's not Vault of Terror, Andy. It's 00:24:56.579 --> 00:24:58.240 the other one. Watchers of the Throne. Watchers 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:00.440 of the Throne, yeah. That's been a hot minute 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:02.799 since I read that. But great books by those two. 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:06.819 But the POV from the Sisters of Silence character. 00:25:07.579 --> 00:25:10.940 in the in that one is that she goes to their 00:25:10.940 --> 00:25:13.819 fortress on luna and they're sort of rebuilding 00:25:13.819 --> 00:25:16.920 the order at that time and like a lot of them 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:19.400 were summoned back to terror uh when the great 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:22.819 rift opened but they're not quite to full strength 00:25:22.819 --> 00:25:26.140 so it may not be as bad as we think uh but again 00:25:26.140 --> 00:25:29.380 if they are in as we've seen in uh any of the 00:25:29.380 --> 00:25:32.480 horrors heresy novels particularly um a thousand 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:36.759 suns when prospero went kaput got stepped on, 00:25:36.819 --> 00:25:39.819 got beaten up, got destroyed. The custodians 00:25:39.819 --> 00:25:42.079 fought alongside the Sisters of Silence, and 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.180 they often do when they are facing those of the 00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:48.579 nature of chaos or warped shenanigans. We should 00:25:48.579 --> 00:25:51.700 say, though, I'll save it for the section where 00:25:51.700 --> 00:25:53.019 we actually talk about how we think they could 00:25:53.019 --> 00:25:58.740 do it, but that is a pretty big problem. And 00:25:58.740 --> 00:26:01.700 the kind of last section we have to, like... 00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:03.980 Well, the last ones before we start discussing 00:26:03.980 --> 00:26:06.579 about how we think we could do it. We have a 00:26:06.579 --> 00:26:08.619 section about people who have gotten the furthest 00:26:08.619 --> 00:26:15.079 basically so far, not including, I guess, Horace, 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.160 not including Horace, who technically wounded 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.640 the emperor. We didn't get in the palace, to 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:25.299 be fair. He had to draw the emperor to him. No. 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:28.259 Eli, do you know the lore about the harlequins 00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:31.759 and the custodians? Generally. I still haven't 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.079 read whatever book it's in. I don't even know 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.319 what book it's in. War of the Beasts. War of 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.680 the Beasts is like schizo lore. Do you want to 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.480 explain that one, Andy? Because we didn't talk 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.359 about who's gotten the closest so far to the 00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.779 golden throne. It's worth mentioning that I've 00:26:49.779 --> 00:26:53.319 heard varying degrees of... In the books, it's 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:58.400 stated that the custodians are absolutely wrecked. 00:26:58.750 --> 00:27:02.630 By the Harlequins, because basically the Eldar 00:27:02.630 --> 00:27:05.430 need to warn the Emperor or whoever is in charge 00:27:05.430 --> 00:27:08.470 in his stead that they have a way to maybe stop 00:27:08.470 --> 00:27:11.650 the beast. And they're like, okay, we need to 00:27:11.650 --> 00:27:13.710 talk to whoever's in charge. And the Empyreans 00:27:13.710 --> 00:27:16.309 are like, ugh, Xenos, yuck. So they're not really 00:27:16.309 --> 00:27:18.289 listening to them. So they kind of have to brute 00:27:18.289 --> 00:27:22.950 force their way to where they need to be. And 00:27:22.950 --> 00:27:27.819 the trouble with this is that... In the books, 00:27:27.859 --> 00:27:33.380 at least, it's stated that they kill custodians. 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.660 But then I've heard that the author meant they 00:27:37.660 --> 00:27:40.819 were killing Lucifer Blacks, who are really elite 00:27:40.819 --> 00:27:45.539 guard, Astra Militarum adjacent bodyguards, which 00:27:45.539 --> 00:27:48.220 would make more sense. But then I've also heard 00:27:48.220 --> 00:27:51.740 some people say, no, actually, it was custodians. 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.819 The author never said that. So I don't know what's 00:27:54.819 --> 00:27:57.170 happening anymore. But it wouldn't make sense 00:27:57.170 --> 00:27:59.490 that Harlequins could just butcher Custodians 00:27:59.490 --> 00:28:02.130 like that. Because they're supposed to be... 00:28:02.130 --> 00:28:07.009 Maybe, but also, like, I know from what I read 00:28:07.009 --> 00:28:09.849 of Harlequins, they get bodied by, like, what 00:28:09.849 --> 00:28:13.509 are they called? The Incubi. Depends on who's 00:28:13.509 --> 00:28:15.250 writing the book and how much they like Eldar, 00:28:15.250 --> 00:28:18.829 I guess. Warhammer. Yeah, power levels are all 00:28:18.829 --> 00:28:21.250 over the place. I mean, in Horus Heresy, we see 00:28:21.250 --> 00:28:24.190 unarmed Space Marine kill Custodians, which is... 00:28:24.849 --> 00:28:27.910 Just as silly. Well, a white scar kills the custodians 00:28:27.910 --> 00:28:31.730 in the Garrow. Custodians ain't nothing. But 00:28:31.730 --> 00:28:34.049 every time a custodian is killed in the Horror's 00:28:34.049 --> 00:28:35.869 Heritage books, it's by surprise. It's never 00:28:35.869 --> 00:28:38.450 in a feat of arms. It's always, like, again, 00:28:38.509 --> 00:28:40.109 the custodian that's killed by a traitor white 00:28:40.109 --> 00:28:42.269 scar is like, I fought with these guys. They're 00:28:42.269 --> 00:28:45.450 awesome. And it's like, stabbed in the back. 00:28:45.490 --> 00:28:47.970 Like, oh. Yeah, I'm there with you, buddy. White 00:28:47.970 --> 00:28:50.109 scars are amazing. It's cringe when they're traitors. 00:28:50.250 --> 00:28:52.710 I'm so sorry. The guy who gets killed at the 00:28:52.710 --> 00:28:56.029 end of... uh first heretic he does die right 00:28:56.029 --> 00:29:01.450 he possessed yeah so you have the lore is so 00:29:01.450 --> 00:29:04.069 inconsistent on these mfs you have two dudes 00:29:04.069 --> 00:29:06.230 fighting off an entire army to be and then you 00:29:06.230 --> 00:29:09.809 got one guy one losing the 1v5 to to be fair 00:29:09.809 --> 00:29:12.529 if a space marine is equivalent of like a thousand 00:29:12.529 --> 00:29:16.329 mortal men even in the cypher book the the dark 00:29:16.329 --> 00:29:18.549 angels kind of gang up on a custodians because 00:29:18.549 --> 00:29:20.549 they're trying to hunt the fallen and it's one 00:29:20.549 --> 00:29:25.349 custodians about if memory serves it's like a 00:29:25.349 --> 00:29:28.210 squad of dark angels so there's a librarian there's 00:29:28.210 --> 00:29:30.990 a captain or there's a bunch of veterans and 00:29:30.990 --> 00:29:32.829 it's like seven astartes versus one custodian 00:29:32.829 --> 00:29:35.150 first second he kills like three of them and 00:29:35.150 --> 00:29:37.309 then eventually he injures another one and is 00:29:37.309 --> 00:29:41.390 brought down and even then the emperor possesses 00:29:41.390 --> 00:29:43.990 his body because cypher gets to the threshold 00:29:43.990 --> 00:29:46.730 of his throne room and the emperor says to cypher 00:29:46.730 --> 00:29:51.450 like no turn back i know you want to chat with 00:29:51.450 --> 00:29:56.250 me Not the right AFK. I'm AFK. Go away. Come 00:29:56.250 --> 00:30:00.190 back another time. Okay, dad or granddad or whatever 00:30:00.190 --> 00:30:04.130 he would regard him as. And yeah, custodians 00:30:04.130 --> 00:30:07.630 aren't infallible as powerful as they are. Good 00:30:07.630 --> 00:30:10.190 luck dueling someone who's stabbing you in the 00:30:10.190 --> 00:30:13.470 spine. There is an element of sometimes you get 00:30:13.470 --> 00:30:16.730 caught off guard, I suppose, or like if you're 00:30:16.730 --> 00:30:18.910 on a, if you're on a Naval ship and it gets blown 00:30:18.910 --> 00:30:23.190 up by a, by a Nova cannon. i don't care how good 00:30:23.190 --> 00:30:25.130 you are with a sword you're an exploding void 00:30:25.130 --> 00:30:29.990 craft you're done um but that said there's no 00:30:29.990 --> 00:30:31.650 one else in the setting other than like maybe 00:30:31.650 --> 00:30:35.690 demon princes slash greater demons and even like 00:30:35.690 --> 00:30:37.750 then they go toe -to -toe with primarchs on occasion 00:30:37.750 --> 00:30:41.690 so like it's kind of the cream of the crop yeah 00:30:41.690 --> 00:30:45.970 we should say as well like if we particularly 00:30:45.970 --> 00:30:50.400 at this point like the other people who've gone 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.420 closer like there's been ways of infiltration 00:30:53.420 --> 00:30:56.160 but they've always been under the permission 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:58.619 of like the emperor like he allowed like magnus 00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:01.759 during the heresy here like the emperor allowed 00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:05.720 magnus in uh but we should say the imperial palace 00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.640 following the siege of terror is completely like 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.180 malformed and like things are in the wrong place 00:31:11.180 --> 00:31:14.880 so and it's long been reconstructed built upon 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.230 and layers of defenses uh we should say as well 00:31:18.230 --> 00:31:20.650 even when they do like blood games they it's 00:31:20.650 --> 00:31:24.650 so enormous that they uh in the watch of the 00:31:24.650 --> 00:31:27.549 throne book they have a random iron warrior in 00:31:27.549 --> 00:31:29.569 the beginning and they just let him free roam 00:31:29.569 --> 00:31:32.829 just to see just to see what he would do and 00:31:32.829 --> 00:31:46.859 then eventually the um um But we should say, 00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:51.380 going forward now, it is... How do we do it, 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.160 boys? How do we do it? One thing I think is the 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.619 biggest hurdle is that there's 10 ,000 custodians, 00:31:58.779 --> 00:32:01.740 and I know that the Grey Knights don't comply 00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:04.339 exactly to the Codex Astartes, so they're like, 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.079 we're a bespoke force, we can do what we want. 00:32:06.579 --> 00:32:10.420 But even so... They're not quite 10 ,000 space 00:32:10.420 --> 00:32:12.960 Marines. They're probably a bit less. They have 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.640 brotherhoods, not companies. Well, I don't think 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:18.660 they're strict on that, but they, they don't 00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:23.039 have 10 ,000. So they're not even like space 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.160 wolves. As far as I'm aware of, like, we don't 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:27.039 care. We'll have a thousand per great company. 00:32:27.619 --> 00:32:30.640 It may be like 150, a brotherhood or something. 00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:36.440 Let's say maybe they have. I don't know, 5 ,000 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.859 maximum. It's still not even... That's only half 00:32:39.859 --> 00:32:42.940 of the custodians. Should we, for the purposes 00:32:42.940 --> 00:32:46.900 of this one, stick to the rule of they can only 00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:50.440 amass 1 ,000 of them? Just because if it's in 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.559 terms of we don't know what the numbers are, 00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:54.980 but if they're supposedly a chapter of Space 00:32:54.980 --> 00:32:58.019 Marines, that is what we'll give them for this 00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:04.660 round. The question is... So the prep time on 00:33:04.660 --> 00:33:06.440 this is they believe the emperor is going to 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.099 come off the golden throne. This can be either 00:33:09.099 --> 00:33:13.700 two things, which is he is, as I said, either 00:33:13.700 --> 00:33:15.779 inhabiting another body, which is like the whole 00:33:15.779 --> 00:33:20.200 star child, like possible type, separate thing. 00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:21.480 We're not going to go too much into that. So 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.359 he's possibly inhabiting another body, which 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.299 means that makes it a lot easier because that. 00:33:27.549 --> 00:33:29.470 another body might not be near the golden throne 00:33:29.470 --> 00:33:31.289 so therefore they could go hunt that down in 00:33:31.289 --> 00:33:34.650 the galaxy just have to get there first the second 00:33:34.650 --> 00:33:37.430 problem is if the emperor is ascending to godhood 00:33:37.430 --> 00:33:39.470 and he is stepping off the throne which i believe 00:33:39.470 --> 00:33:43.369 is probably the more likely case and they're 00:33:43.369 --> 00:33:46.430 going to get somehow to the golden throne do 00:33:46.430 --> 00:33:51.829 they start with deceit to get as far as they 00:33:51.829 --> 00:33:54.640 can like how far do you think they can How far 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.660 do you think they can get by essentially bluffing? 00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.380 How do you show up with the entirety of the Grey 00:34:00.380 --> 00:34:03.759 Knights and say, like, we've got to clean the 00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:08.039 bathroom. Can we come in, please? If we know 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.480 anything about the Imperium loyalists, they don't 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.599 always ask permission. They always assume we're 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.679 going to get rumbled straight away, so let's 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.480 not let ourselves be known. Like the Dark Angels 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.170 when they went to hunt the Force. and to be fair 00:34:23.170 --> 00:34:25.110 they're like we don't want to be branded as heretics 00:34:25.110 --> 00:34:29.289 and be shot but it's still like okay maybe we 00:34:29.289 --> 00:34:31.010 just do our own thing and then if we get caught 00:34:31.010 --> 00:34:36.110 say sorry um there's no possible way that they 00:34:36.110 --> 00:34:38.449 could teleport into the throne room even if people 00:34:38.449 --> 00:34:40.030 were in there first right like there's no way 00:34:40.030 --> 00:34:43.269 that they could ever make that work no but they 00:34:43.269 --> 00:34:47.389 do have so they can see the future to an extent 00:34:47.389 --> 00:34:49.869 which custodians can't do and sisters can't do 00:34:50.269 --> 00:34:53.030 which is a big thing yes so before we get into 00:34:53.030 --> 00:34:55.170 it like so we're going to go down the route of 00:34:55.170 --> 00:34:57.050 they're going to try and break into the palace 00:34:57.050 --> 00:34:59.889 before we get any further i think there's another 00:34:59.889 --> 00:35:02.050 should we get to the next uh round of donations 00:35:02.050 --> 00:35:10.210 so the grey knights the i believe the first obstacle 00:35:10.210 --> 00:35:15.070 is actually the sisters of silence yeah the they 00:35:15.070 --> 00:35:19.289 are part of Ordeos Malleus, is it? Ordeo Malleus? 00:35:19.329 --> 00:35:21.750 Well, no, they're not a part of anything. They're 00:35:21.750 --> 00:35:26.130 just... They get called in by Ordeo Malleus sometimes, 00:35:26.369 --> 00:35:29.909 don't they? They're like, oh, we're based on 00:35:29.909 --> 00:35:32.349 Luna. We'll get called in if you need help, but 00:35:32.349 --> 00:35:36.670 we're not beholden to anyone. There's like an 00:35:36.670 --> 00:35:40.710 example of in the Sabathiel book, Sister of Silence 00:35:40.710 --> 00:35:44.389 is called in to help her squad by another Inquisitor. 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.059 but that's just because this inquisitor has a 00:35:49.059 --> 00:35:51.039 good reputation and the sisters are like, we 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:55.219 don't have to do it, but our, our, our objectives 00:35:55.219 --> 00:35:59.800 are aligned. We'll send this lady. I remember 00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:04.139 it's in the, one of the Ironman books where there 00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:06.980 is an inquisitor that this conclave and they 00:36:06.980 --> 00:36:09.739 have like a captured, well, as it is stereo. 00:36:09.820 --> 00:36:11.039 So I think he's like, he's like the captured 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:13.420 thousand son, but he's actually like a renegade 00:36:13.420 --> 00:36:18.420 Marine. and um they uh inquisitors there definitely 00:36:18.420 --> 00:36:20.579 have a grey knight working for them i think one 00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:23.440 or two there's a cool weird scene where like 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:25.559 the guy detaches his soul and the grey knight 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:27.739 detaches his soul they start chasing each other 00:36:27.739 --> 00:36:32.139 around the room um but i think they could call 00:36:32.139 --> 00:36:35.400 on all those well we should say i have a i had 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.300 a little theory craft thing for this which is 00:36:37.300 --> 00:36:44.349 the uh there are segments of the Inquisition 00:36:44.349 --> 00:36:48.590 that are radicals, we should say. Was it Xantham? 00:36:49.429 --> 00:36:54.510 Xanthite. Xantham's a gum. I believe elements 00:36:54.510 --> 00:36:58.130 of the Inquisition could be called on to have 00:36:58.130 --> 00:37:02.230 a few favours with dealing... As we saw in... 00:37:02.230 --> 00:37:04.650 I was trying not to mention it earlier, because 00:37:04.650 --> 00:37:07.449 I'm saving it for now, which is during the fall 00:37:07.449 --> 00:37:09.929 of the Thousand Sons home war at Prospero, the 00:37:09.929 --> 00:37:12.510 Battle of Prospero, during the heresy, it was 00:37:12.510 --> 00:37:15.000 seen... When the custodians are fighting alongside 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.800 the Sisters of Silence and they're attacking 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.820 the Thousand Suns, it's going like a real shit 00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:24.059 show for the Thousand Suns. The minute they start 00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:27.219 shooting the Sisters of Silence in between the 00:37:27.219 --> 00:37:31.360 custodians, it's not even like a fair game at 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.699 that point because I believe it's, we can mean 00:37:33.699 --> 00:37:36.039 Andy did a LodgeCast episode on it not too long 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.539 ago. Some of the Thousand Suns, they just grab 00:37:39.539 --> 00:37:41.840 like three jet bikes and just slam them into 00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.429 the wall. Like, they unleash fire in them. Like, 00:37:45.489 --> 00:37:48.590 you have to remember, each of the Grey Knights, 00:37:48.849 --> 00:37:51.289 some of them are more powerful than Thousand 00:37:51.289 --> 00:37:55.150 Suns in the Heresy era. So, like, you have to 00:37:55.150 --> 00:37:58.769 understand, like, when the Silence whole package 00:37:58.769 --> 00:38:01.409 thing is removed, I assume some of them are in 00:38:01.409 --> 00:38:04.809 the Golden Throne room, unfortunately. Well, 00:38:04.889 --> 00:38:07.130 bear in mind that the thing about... sisters 00:38:07.130 --> 00:38:09.710 as well as they're a proximity thing like in 00:38:09.710 --> 00:38:12.030 even in the prospero burns book it mentions about 00:38:12.030 --> 00:38:15.150 how the thousand sons to counter them start sniping 00:38:15.150 --> 00:38:17.829 them because they if they're too far away they 00:38:17.829 --> 00:38:20.630 can't really use their null powers and you got 00:38:20.630 --> 00:38:23.130 to remember they're like as as coordinated as 00:38:23.130 --> 00:38:25.769 the custodians is grey knights have telepathy 00:38:25.769 --> 00:38:29.550 they can communicate via their minds they can 00:38:29.550 --> 00:38:32.380 sure they can't like attack a sister up close 00:38:32.380 --> 00:38:35.880 but they could chuck a like tower or a statue 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.579 at a sister or they could make a big trail of 00:38:38.579 --> 00:38:40.559 fire like everyone's like oh it's lightning from 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.119 your hands it's like yeah in a way but also there's 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.800 other things like telepathy telekinesis telekinesis 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.699 there's all their other like their foresight 00:38:49.699 --> 00:38:54.639 their ability to to use their like in practical 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:58.059 terms anything is possible for a psyker it's 00:38:58.059 --> 00:39:01.909 not just lightning come out me handies it's like 00:39:01.909 --> 00:39:04.630 oh we could just oh these sisters are a problem 00:39:04.630 --> 00:39:07.030 we could see what their deployments are ahead 00:39:07.030 --> 00:39:08.889 of time and put melter charges where they're 00:39:08.889 --> 00:39:11.369 going to stand and blow them up it's like and 00:39:11.369 --> 00:39:13.590 and it's worth remembering that the one gimmick 00:39:13.590 --> 00:39:16.750 that gray knights have the more gray knights 00:39:16.750 --> 00:39:19.469 there are the better their psychic powers get 00:39:19.469 --> 00:39:21.849 they're a force multiplier so if they attacked 00:39:21.849 --> 00:39:25.909 as a thousand men it would be much stronger than 00:39:25.909 --> 00:39:30.860 10 or 100 And so then it's like, oh, it's not 00:39:30.860 --> 00:39:35.280 just a thousand men like the Thousand Suns pooling 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.920 their resources. It's a thousand Astartes pooling 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.900 their resources and they're on psychic roids, 00:39:41.900 --> 00:39:45.760 essentially, where it's even more powerful. And 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:49.260 I'm like, that combined with the prognosticators, 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.139 I think they actually have a chance. I've got 00:39:51.139 --> 00:39:53.119 to be honest. Because sisters are a problem, 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:57.320 but... Go ahead, Eli. I just said I agree. Without 00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.519 the sisters, they could totally do it, in my 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:01.960 opinion. I think, because this eliminates me. 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:04.119 Assuming there's a thousand of them. There might 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:06.199 only be, like, three of these guys. We don't 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.360 really know. Some of these guys, we should say, 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.219 like, some of them in the Dark Imperium trilogy, 00:40:12.579 --> 00:40:14.260 one of the, I mean, a few of the Grey Knights 00:40:14.260 --> 00:40:16.280 get killed by quite a few of the Death Guard, 00:40:16.460 --> 00:40:18.840 but then there's one guy who's able to go toe 00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:22.300 -to -toe with Typhus and, like, make him back 00:40:22.300 --> 00:40:25.550 off. So these guys are not pushovers at all. 00:40:25.829 --> 00:40:28.550 They're pretty strong in the Watchers of the 00:40:28.550 --> 00:40:32.670 Throne book. The Grey Knights are asked to... 00:40:32.670 --> 00:40:35.489 This is playing into a theory I have that could 00:40:35.489 --> 00:40:39.710 work. In that book, they are asked to help with 00:40:39.710 --> 00:40:42.789 controlling some of the corruption that's spreading 00:40:42.789 --> 00:40:45.610 on Terra. And some of the Cthodians fight alongside 00:40:45.610 --> 00:40:48.110 the Grey Knights. They don't trust them because 00:40:48.110 --> 00:40:50.289 they're Astartes. So that's a big problem, unfortunately. 00:40:50.449 --> 00:40:53.679 They won't get that close. They do work alongside 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.519 them, and it does show they are somewhat impressed 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.599 with how they're able to keep up with the Custodes. 00:41:01.940 --> 00:41:05.880 The issue is you've got to create a scenario 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:10.139 kind of really similar to what was the Second 00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:13.519 Siege of Terra, which is how Cypher got out. 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.619 You need to create a point where the Custodes 00:41:17.619 --> 00:41:21.880 have to essentially deal with a problem. so massive 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.000 that you draw their numbers away so you it sounds 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:27.380 really heretical but the grey knights could possibly 00:41:27.380 --> 00:41:31.880 enact something to like because again they banish 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.019 demons they do so that kind of stuff potentially 00:41:34.019 --> 00:41:37.280 they could somewhat support a chaos incursion 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.059 in the middle of terror that causes the custodians 00:41:40.059 --> 00:41:43.920 to react and then that means the palace is a 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.000 little bit more open they could teleport to the 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.050 palace but not close to the golden throne because 00:41:50.050 --> 00:41:52.849 there's lots of protections on that side but 00:41:52.849 --> 00:41:55.030 if they were presenting it as a threat of like 00:41:55.030 --> 00:41:58.449 particularly a psychic threat such as like you 00:41:58.449 --> 00:42:00.889 know what if you know thousand suns or like you 00:42:00.889 --> 00:42:05.369 know chaos demons attack on mass the grey knights 00:42:05.369 --> 00:42:09.349 would be called to aid and that's where you get 00:42:09.349 --> 00:42:10.969 the opportunity to getting close to the throne 00:42:10.969 --> 00:42:13.769 this is where i think they have to plan with 00:42:13.769 --> 00:42:17.769 all those you know whatever uh inquisition members 00:42:17.769 --> 00:42:19.949 they can or that they influence that they wield 00:42:19.949 --> 00:42:23.429 to essentially kill off or get rid of as many 00:42:23.429 --> 00:42:25.769 the sisters of silence as possible because otherwise 00:42:25.769 --> 00:42:28.610 you are screwed and this is where i honestly 00:42:28.610 --> 00:42:31.769 think maybe a bum rush to what's the golden throne 00:42:31.769 --> 00:42:35.469 has to happen well the issue as well you get 00:42:35.469 --> 00:42:38.110 i think one thing i just remember now there's 00:42:38.110 --> 00:42:42.170 two massive is it warhound titans in front of 00:42:42.170 --> 00:42:48.639 the gates of I honestly don't think they're a 00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:50.780 problem because we've got to remember the Grey 00:42:50.780 --> 00:42:54.659 Knights in bands of 100 or less have beaten Angron 00:42:54.659 --> 00:42:58.579 and Mortarion twice. That's Demon Primarchs. 00:42:58.579 --> 00:43:01.000 That's not Primarch Primarchs. That's like super 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:05.000 duper Primarched up full of them chaos. And they 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.320 managed it with like in this game, which we're 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:11.050 watching the footage of. Five Grey Knights kill 00:43:11.050 --> 00:43:14.010 Mortarion at the end. Spoilers. Five of them. 00:43:14.130 --> 00:43:15.730 They're like, oh, that's like one of the Emperor's 00:43:15.730 --> 00:43:17.710 sons. In a video game. In a video game. In a 00:43:17.710 --> 00:43:20.329 video game. Kaldor Drago does it by himself, 00:43:20.510 --> 00:43:22.670 basically. Yeah, but Kaldor Drago is in that 00:43:22.670 --> 00:43:24.530 band of five. You get him at the last mission. 00:43:25.090 --> 00:43:27.809 Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. Also, is Kaldor 00:43:27.809 --> 00:43:29.989 Drago here? Is he here for the Terminus Degree? 00:43:30.230 --> 00:43:33.289 Okay, then they win. Then they win. Okay. We're 00:43:33.289 --> 00:43:36.250 all done. it's over so they it's over they had 00:43:36.250 --> 00:43:39.309 to chomp through a few of the custodians i i 00:43:39.309 --> 00:43:43.449 think quite honestly denied of their sisters 00:43:43.449 --> 00:43:46.110 of silence and if it's the whole grey knights 00:43:46.110 --> 00:43:48.750 because i assume they're sending everybody um 00:43:48.750 --> 00:43:52.369 it's an almost like an unstoppable force i'm 00:43:52.369 --> 00:43:56.110 sure they will chew through uh the issue is is 00:43:56.110 --> 00:43:59.949 like do they get enough of them killed off because 00:43:59.949 --> 00:44:01.630 obviously the imperial palace is not easy to 00:44:01.630 --> 00:44:04.949 get through automated guns and defenses and all 00:44:04.949 --> 00:44:07.510 that stuff i'm sure they can hack and they can 00:44:07.510 --> 00:44:12.570 you know mentally infiltrate any human obstacle 00:44:12.570 --> 00:44:15.070 if there's if there's a thousand of them in one 00:44:15.070 --> 00:44:17.469 spot their freaking kind shield or whatever is 00:44:17.469 --> 00:44:19.570 probably strong enough to deflect literally any 00:44:19.570 --> 00:44:23.869 gun ever yeah yeah i would assume i mean prospero 00:44:23.869 --> 00:44:26.190 they did that and they were being fought by sisters 00:44:26.190 --> 00:44:30.429 custodians space balls and titans and they managed 00:44:30.429 --> 00:44:34.059 to hold them off for a while so And also they 00:44:34.059 --> 00:44:36.019 could possess people. The Grey Knights could 00:44:36.019 --> 00:44:38.000 be like, I'm going to control this fraud who's 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.079 in charge of the shield generator of the palace 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.519 or whatever, like gun in place. They'd have all 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.539 the sneaky tricks up their sleeve as well. Whereas 00:44:45.539 --> 00:44:49.239 Custodian is, I can kill you with my spear. Pretty 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.539 dang good. Are you good at tech? No. How many 00:44:52.539 --> 00:44:54.719 Custodians do you think there are actually at 00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:56.340 the palace though? That's what I've been wondering. 00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:01.780 A few thousand, yeah. Also, would the Custodians 00:45:01.780 --> 00:45:05.199 just like, If they thought the Emperor was going 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.940 to be bum -rushed by this group, I'm sure there's 00:45:07.940 --> 00:45:09.860 some blowing mechanism where it's like blow up 00:45:09.860 --> 00:45:13.920 the bridge or like there's some... Thanks, bro. 00:45:14.019 --> 00:45:16.059 I know I heard it as soon as I said it. There 00:45:16.059 --> 00:45:17.980 must be some kind of mechanism. We have to assume 00:45:17.980 --> 00:45:19.820 quite a few of the Grey Knights will get killed 00:45:19.820 --> 00:45:23.099 off. Say like they're losing over 2 ,000 of the 00:45:23.099 --> 00:45:25.820 guys at least. 2 ,000? Do we even have 2 ,000 00:45:25.820 --> 00:45:28.059 Grey Knights? Oh yeah, sorry, not 2 ,000. I mean 00:45:28.059 --> 00:45:32.840 like 200, sorry. We're losing at least 20 % of 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:37.840 them, I assume. The issue is we get now, so it's 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:40.079 probably quite a few hours this is happening. 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.079 They have to time this with either some other 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:47.260 distraction on Terra, and then they get into 00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:50.239 the Golden Throne room. This is the ultimate 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.579 failing, I think, that is of the Terminus Decree. 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.719 It states if he's ascending to godhood, they 00:45:56.719 --> 00:46:00.969 supposedly have to... put him back on the throne 00:46:00.969 --> 00:46:05.670 does even like say all of the you know like god 00:46:05.670 --> 00:46:08.309 forbid all of the grey knights survive and they 00:46:08.309 --> 00:46:10.190 make it into this room they combine into one 00:46:10.190 --> 00:46:14.050 there is something in um horus heresy in the 00:46:14.050 --> 00:46:16.590 uh world eater books where they have the ability 00:46:16.590 --> 00:46:19.329 called communion which is where like all the 00:46:19.329 --> 00:46:22.550 librarians almost combine into like one thing 00:46:22.550 --> 00:46:24.769 so they these it's like carl mangron down is 00:46:24.769 --> 00:46:26.909 like they speak in like one voice and it's combining 00:46:26.909 --> 00:46:29.449 all their power So I assume this ability is not 00:46:29.449 --> 00:46:33.949 beyond the Grey Knights. If a communion to fight 00:46:33.949 --> 00:46:37.130 against what I assume is a being worshipped by 00:46:37.130 --> 00:46:40.750 trillions ascending to godhood, which I believe 00:46:40.750 --> 00:46:42.949 Gilliman described as soon as you enter into 00:46:42.949 --> 00:46:46.429 the room that is the Golden Throne room. It is 00:46:46.429 --> 00:46:49.030 like being near the heart of a star. It's just 00:46:49.030 --> 00:46:51.389 blinding and you can't even see anything correctly. 00:46:52.469 --> 00:46:55.730 Do they all just die immediately in the attempt? 00:46:55.909 --> 00:46:57.679 That's kind of what I was thinking. Well, the 00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.760 only thing is, they have the same genetic makeup 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:03.239 as the Emperor. They have his genetics in them. 00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:06.420 Surely that counts for something. Is it against 00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:09.760 them, though? The only other people that share 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.079 genetics with the Emperor are the Primarchs. 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.519 Surely that's enough for them to get past whatever 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:17.320 that barrier is. Like, oh, we're made of him. 00:47:17.699 --> 00:47:19.780 Surely we're not going to have the full glare. 00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.300 Presumably he's way stronger in this scenario 00:47:23.300 --> 00:47:26.440 than he's ever been. in this setting right yeah 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:31.519 and he's already pretty intensely powerful the 00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:34.920 emperor at his most powerful before this is when 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.300 he's has his fight with horus and he assumes 00:47:38.300 --> 00:47:41.380 so much power he almost ascends to a different 00:47:41.380 --> 00:47:44.980 kind of godhood then and i believe it states 00:47:44.980 --> 00:47:48.059 like just being in his presence uh burns the 00:47:48.059 --> 00:47:50.840 custodians into like crisps and they're just 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.489 like they're puppeteered walking corpses like 00:47:54.489 --> 00:47:58.230 just being near it so the question is do they 00:47:58.230 --> 00:48:01.110 have the strength to actually like what subdue 00:48:01.110 --> 00:48:04.650 a god and then place it back on the golden throne 00:48:04.650 --> 00:48:07.929 and then depower it that is the if they were 00:48:07.929 --> 00:48:09.389 that strong they probably could have got one 00:48:09.389 --> 00:48:13.289 of the chaos gods by now like uh well i mean 00:48:13.289 --> 00:48:16.070 kaldor has been in the realm of chaos wrecking 00:48:16.070 --> 00:48:18.679 their stuff Yeah, but he's one guy. He can't 00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.500 solo Khorne, though. I mean, Green Eyes can't 00:48:21.500 --> 00:48:23.519 pull up and fight Khorne himself or whatever. 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.380 He's not been given a chance, really. He got 00:48:27.380 --> 00:48:30.920 through Ginger's maze. He did all the trials. 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:33.000 He beat everyone in his path. Yeah, he's the 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.880 GOAT. That was one dude. He's the GOAT. And if 00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:36.860 he's surrounded by a hundred of his mates, he's 00:48:36.860 --> 00:48:38.440 even stronger than he would have been then because, 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:42.000 again, force multiplier. he'd be stronger than 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.079 he's ever been in the canon because even when 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.460 it was panda racks it was the grey knights versus 00:48:46.460 --> 00:48:50.260 uh the grey knights and and dark angels i don't 00:48:50.260 --> 00:48:52.199 remember any of the grey knights falling in that 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.559 in that campaign they might have but it wasn't 00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:58.309 like They were planning for Drago to be there. 00:48:58.409 --> 00:49:00.650 They were like, oh, he just appeared. Oh, okay, 00:49:00.730 --> 00:49:03.489 cool. Whereas if this was the Terminus Decree, 00:49:03.590 --> 00:49:06.230 you could bet Drago is going to miraculously 00:49:06.230 --> 00:49:08.670 teleport there so they can bet he's going to 00:49:08.670 --> 00:49:11.670 be... Okay, everyone circle around Drago. He's 00:49:11.670 --> 00:49:14.530 going to be the linchpin of this. Go on, soup 00:49:14.530 --> 00:49:17.050 him up, give him all you do. But I assume at 00:49:17.050 --> 00:49:19.349 some point the Emperor is fighting back, right? 00:49:21.349 --> 00:49:25.800 This is the problem where like... Does he just 00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:30.099 lick them with balls and turn them to dust immediately? 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.340 Well, bear in mind that the traitor Primarchs, 00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:38.019 the only one who gave grief to the Emperor was 00:49:38.019 --> 00:49:40.739 Horus, who was one guy. And he was souped up 00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:44.099 by Chaos Powers. Fair enough. But the Grey Knights 00:49:44.099 --> 00:49:48.480 have beaten Mortarion and Angron. If a hundred 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:50.559 of them were with the guy who did that, maybe 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.039 they'd have a shot. Maybe. I'm just assuming 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.909 that... the emperor right now is like so is astronomically 00:49:56.909 --> 00:50:00.130 psychically powerful more psychically powerful 00:50:00.130 --> 00:50:02.929 than the emperor who fought horus if he's not 00:50:02.929 --> 00:50:05.170 then if he's the same power level as the emperor 00:50:05.170 --> 00:50:06.809 fighting horus and the great knight solo and 00:50:06.809 --> 00:50:12.570 win but there is too fair uh drago's a slave 00:50:12.570 --> 00:50:14.750 to slanesha that's right rare's pepe he's the 00:50:14.750 --> 00:50:20.010 silver knight shush there is another way this 00:50:20.010 --> 00:50:22.519 is not the only way to do it because i been thinking 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:24.260 about this before we started the stream and I'm 00:50:24.260 --> 00:50:30.239 saving it the emperor like supposedly any good 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.239 god that he is and supposedly the king in yellow 00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:40.139 whole plot point is the emperor has a true name 00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:45.760 the emperor supposedly the king in yellow is 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:48.679 looking for the emperor's true name to control 00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:53.559 him is this If this information is in the Grey 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:55.400 Knight's hand, like the Emperor's a true name, 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.760 is this the method where it's actually like, 00:50:58.820 --> 00:51:00.579 is this the only one where it's like, this is 00:51:00.579 --> 00:51:02.480 a viable shot? And bearing in mind, we should 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:06.699 say, some characters speaking a being's true 00:51:06.699 --> 00:51:10.159 name has a bad side effect of basically killing 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:14.800 people. I believe only Zadu Layak of the Word 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:19.440 Bearers, the Dark Apostle empowered... Psyker 00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.420 guy who weirdly forgets his own name and his 00:51:22.420 --> 00:51:26.320 true being or whatever. He spoke Fulgrim's true 00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:31.380 name during the heresy to basically make Fulgrim 00:51:31.380 --> 00:51:34.300 under his control, under Logar's orders. And 00:51:34.300 --> 00:51:37.019 it almost killed him on the spot. Now, a Grey 00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:39.880 Knight... I mean, I bet Kaldor... The thing is, 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.079 this was demon Primarch Fulgrim, so it was already 00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:46.179 a pretty crazy thing to attempt. The idea of... 00:51:46.179 --> 00:51:49.300 Because one being has to know this. Is Coward 00:51:49.300 --> 00:51:53.059 Drago strong enough? I love the idea that the 00:51:53.059 --> 00:51:56.079 Terminus Decree, you open the little box. It 00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:58.559 has, here's what you got to do. And at the bottom 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.079 it says, P .S. The Emperor's name is Michael. 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:04.980 Oh, of course. And then that's what brings him 00:52:04.980 --> 00:52:08.460 down at the end of it. That'd be funny. I say 00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:13.579 that because we should say that knowing a, I 00:52:13.579 --> 00:52:15.159 don't know if it's to do with like a creature 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:18.820 of the warp or if it's a. it must be a warp thing 00:52:18.820 --> 00:52:21.179 because it's only ever implied to be either for 00:52:21.179 --> 00:52:23.920 demons or demon Primarchs or other creature. 00:52:24.019 --> 00:52:26.340 Well, surprisingly, the fact that the emperor 00:52:26.340 --> 00:52:28.739 supposedly has a true name implies like he is 00:52:28.739 --> 00:52:32.460 of the warp fully. I guess a weird connotation 00:52:32.460 --> 00:52:36.260 there, but knowing a true name of a creature, 00:52:36.340 --> 00:52:38.139 not like as in like, like anything, like knowing 00:52:38.139 --> 00:52:40.980 his name is Michael, but knowing like the. Like 00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:43.480 how Grey Knights are made, they are often made 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.800 in tandem with their name being reminiscent of 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.079 a demon's name to give themselves control over 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.219 that demon. And so therefore, knowing the true 00:52:53.219 --> 00:52:55.900 name of the Emperor, which isn't like an actual 00:52:55.900 --> 00:52:59.380 name, it's more like an usherance of some true 00:52:59.380 --> 00:53:01.400 power in the universe. You can't hear it correctly. 00:53:01.659 --> 00:53:03.559 When the Fulgrim one happened, you didn't hear 00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:06.949 it just go, Kevin! It was something... Like, 00:53:06.949 --> 00:53:08.909 in a language that's undecipherable, almost. 00:53:09.170 --> 00:53:12.070 When it was Mortarian, it was, whoever smelt 00:53:12.070 --> 00:53:15.909 it, dealt it. And I was like, what undid him? 00:53:17.389 --> 00:53:20.630 Supposedly, then, the Emperor's true name, like, 00:53:20.650 --> 00:53:24.289 again, like, speaking it, the question is, are 00:53:24.289 --> 00:53:27.469 the Grey Knights strong enough to have someone 00:53:27.469 --> 00:53:31.190 know it and be able to speak it, essentially? 00:53:31.710 --> 00:53:34.610 That's the thing, because it's knowing it, learning 00:53:34.610 --> 00:53:37.190 the name can almost... basically kill you on 00:53:37.190 --> 00:53:40.730 the spot uh and it takes quite a lot of preparation 00:53:40.730 --> 00:53:45.269 and i mean calvo drago again i was saying like 00:53:45.269 --> 00:53:48.230 he's probably the only one who could do it maybe 00:53:48.230 --> 00:53:51.670 because of the plot armor is it the am i remembering 00:53:51.670 --> 00:53:54.550 correctly that to be a grandmaster you basically 00:53:54.550 --> 00:53:57.730 have to memorize like the majority of names in 00:53:57.730 --> 00:54:00.929 like their big term of demon like names and and 00:54:00.929 --> 00:54:03.250 the bigger deal you are the more you can remember 00:54:03.250 --> 00:54:08.219 and not go insane I feel like Kaldor, if he's 00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:10.659 the big cheese, he's like, I've memorized the 00:54:10.659 --> 00:54:13.460 whole thing, mate. It's all in here. I've got 00:54:13.460 --> 00:54:16.480 all the names because it's good to know. But 00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:18.260 obviously, if you try to learn too much, you 00:54:18.260 --> 00:54:22.059 go insane, and that's not very good. If people 00:54:22.059 --> 00:54:25.780 are listening as well, let us know in the comments 00:54:25.780 --> 00:54:28.619 and the chat how you think they could do it. 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.360 Generally, how you think they could do it. I 00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:35.429 don't know if there's any other... The true name 00:54:35.429 --> 00:54:37.829 idea, they would also have to be in the Golden 00:54:37.829 --> 00:54:39.369 Throne Room. But the thing is, they don't need 00:54:39.369 --> 00:54:41.949 that many of them this time. So say if they went 00:54:41.949 --> 00:54:44.829 down the same route of just big distraction, 00:54:45.130 --> 00:54:48.690 a few Grey Knights are needed near the Throne 00:54:48.690 --> 00:54:51.869 Room, whatever, like one or two guys, doesn't 00:54:51.869 --> 00:54:55.610 matter. They're able to get that guy in. They're 00:54:55.610 --> 00:54:57.710 able to get Khalil Drago in. I'm sure the Grand 00:54:57.710 --> 00:54:59.730 Master of the Grey Knights is able to see the 00:54:59.730 --> 00:55:04.500 Emperor. So that could be a possibility. And 00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:06.619 this is a way to command the emperor. But this 00:55:06.619 --> 00:55:08.260 also negates the idea that you don't actually 00:55:08.260 --> 00:55:10.380 have to fight the emperor, supposedly, which 00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:13.840 sounds horrific because that just might mean 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:18.880 instant failure. I guess that's the method I 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:22.079 think could be most successful, though. But it 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:23.880 would require them knowing that the fact that 00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:27.280 the emperor has a true name and they wouldn't 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:29.579 immediately, like, you know, basically all thousand 00:55:29.579 --> 00:55:33.250 of them try and then, like, they all die. That 00:55:33.250 --> 00:55:36.150 could be a pretty bad method. What would the 00:55:36.150 --> 00:55:41.449 odds be if they released a big giant demon invasion 00:55:41.449 --> 00:55:44.969 on the other side of Earth? What if the sisters 00:55:44.969 --> 00:55:48.050 and the custodians just stood there? Because 00:55:48.050 --> 00:55:50.050 it's their job to protect the emperor. So they 00:55:50.050 --> 00:55:53.389 just stayed at the palace and let everyone else 00:55:53.389 --> 00:55:55.829 die. They kind of did that during the Siege of 00:55:55.829 --> 00:55:58.190 Terror, to be fair. They couldn't defend the 00:55:58.190 --> 00:56:00.150 whole planet. They would just everyone go around 00:56:00.150 --> 00:56:04.510 the palace. Sorry, guys. Is that a baby outside 00:56:04.510 --> 00:56:06.710 the walls? Subodhan Khan waiting in like, I've 00:56:06.710 --> 00:56:09.710 got the baby. Other than that, though, it's like, 00:56:09.809 --> 00:56:12.030 yeah, the custodians, they weren't at the front 00:56:12.030 --> 00:56:13.550 lines of the siege of terror. They were just 00:56:13.550 --> 00:56:17.309 buckle in, dig in your heels, let the blood angels, 00:56:17.429 --> 00:56:20.030 imperial fists and white scars sort it out. We've 00:56:20.030 --> 00:56:23.590 got bigger fish to fry. They kind of already 00:56:23.590 --> 00:56:31.489 done that to an extent. Yeah. That's, yeah. All 00:56:31.489 --> 00:56:33.869 the, i guess there's another route i have an 00:56:33.869 --> 00:56:35.570 idea of but before we get any further i think 00:56:35.570 --> 00:56:41.849 there's a few donors just to catch up we have 00:56:41.849 --> 00:56:45.130 some other options for the scenario to play out 00:56:45.130 --> 00:56:48.869 as well it says i believe if the emperor is leaving 00:56:48.869 --> 00:56:52.250 the golden what if he emerges or is being reborn 00:56:52.250 --> 00:56:55.909 this could potentially happen if the emperor 00:56:55.909 --> 00:57:00.170 dies this could be the issue so the issue is 00:57:00.170 --> 00:57:02.090 if someone was like yo we didn't have enough 00:57:02.090 --> 00:57:05.349 psychas today the emperor finally dies and because 00:57:05.349 --> 00:57:08.010 he was worshipped for like so long he eventually 00:57:08.010 --> 00:57:12.250 lets go of his mortal coil and ascends to godhood 00:57:12.250 --> 00:57:16.389 this is the issue as well so the scenario in 00:57:16.389 --> 00:57:19.190 this version is basically there's no more psychas 00:57:19.190 --> 00:57:23.389 to feed to the emperor slash keep him re keeping 00:57:23.389 --> 00:57:28.130 him being reborn on the Imperium? I guess at 00:57:28.130 --> 00:57:31.550 that point, do they just grab one of our dudes 00:57:31.550 --> 00:57:33.809 and just we've got a thousand days or something? 00:57:34.550 --> 00:57:44.230 Yeah. I don't know. Potentially. And we haven't 00:57:44.230 --> 00:57:46.670 even factored into where's the Imperial Fist. 00:57:47.690 --> 00:57:50.489 factor into this. I wasn't even considering them. 00:57:50.929 --> 00:57:54.150 Yeah, I assumed they would make sure they get 00:57:54.150 --> 00:57:56.010 sent somewhere else, to be honest. Because, I 00:57:56.010 --> 00:57:58.050 mean, they have... We're staying out of this, 00:57:58.130 --> 00:58:00.889 boys. You figure it out yourselves. But you know 00:58:00.889 --> 00:58:07.150 what? Ultimate move. Throw Titan at the Imperial 00:58:07.150 --> 00:58:10.949 Palace. Throw the whole moon. We're trying to 00:58:10.949 --> 00:58:13.610 get him off the throne, not blow the throne up. 00:58:13.750 --> 00:58:16.190 Let's be clear. Sorry, get him back on the throne. 00:58:16.449 --> 00:58:20.309 We can smush him back on the throne through the 00:58:20.309 --> 00:58:23.570 seismic activity. Get on there. As long as the 00:58:23.570 --> 00:58:25.769 meat puppet is in the right place, it's fine. 00:58:25.989 --> 00:58:28.050 If you could get the custodians and sisters in 00:58:28.050 --> 00:58:30.909 one spot and then throw the moon at them, then 00:58:30.909 --> 00:58:34.809 that would work. There's also the other idea 00:58:34.809 --> 00:58:38.230 of they could potentially not be alone in this 00:58:38.230 --> 00:58:43.230 and maybe they would need allies. How do you 00:58:43.230 --> 00:58:45.260 think they could because we've me and andy have 00:58:45.260 --> 00:58:47.579 been reading some scouring stuff and there's 00:58:47.579 --> 00:58:49.960 a whole thing about like supposedly they're setting 00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:52.079 up a thing of like the emperor needs is like 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:56.420 not like he's not healing on the golden throne 00:58:56.420 --> 00:58:58.940 and i think it's i think it might go the whole 00:58:58.940 --> 00:59:01.000 way of like how they kickstart the mechanism 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:02.960 of like making sure the emperor stays on the 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:06.079 golden throne do you think gilliman could be 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.119 convinced to enact the terminus decree if he 00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:11.820 because gilliman might be like you know oh that's 00:59:11.820 --> 00:59:16.869 malkador's handwriting That's my boys. Do you 00:59:16.869 --> 00:59:20.510 think Gilliman could be convinced then to essentially... 00:59:20.510 --> 00:59:23.090 I know the custodians would never be convinced. 00:59:23.269 --> 00:59:26.809 That's the thing. I think the thing is he's also... 00:59:26.809 --> 00:59:29.070 You mentioned the scouring. He had that whole 00:59:29.070 --> 00:59:32.329 alliance made with Luna to try and get Luna on 00:59:32.329 --> 00:59:36.170 board to secure power again rather than Mars. 00:59:36.429 --> 00:59:38.329 So I feel like Gilliman would be like, oh, I'm 00:59:38.329 --> 00:59:41.309 more sympathetic to the sisters and the custodians. 00:59:41.980 --> 00:59:44.019 because also let's not forget that the space 00:59:44.019 --> 00:59:48.059 marines brought the galaxy to ruin wasn't the 00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:49.760 custodians it was the space marines that betrayed 00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:54.159 the imperium i think he wouldn't want to um pick 00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:57.679 a fight with uh with uh the sons of valdor so 00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:02.019 to speak and uh and luna's gals i think gilliman 01:00:02.019 --> 01:00:03.960 would be more like i don't want the unrest with 01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:07.000 the ecclesiarchy i don't want to have all these 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:11.260 like If anything, even in his Dark Imperium books, 01:00:11.420 --> 01:00:13.820 he's reading Lorgar's book. He's starting to 01:00:13.820 --> 01:00:15.440 maybe think, oh, maybe there is something to 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:17.860 the whole religiosity stuff. I feel like Gillen 01:00:17.860 --> 01:00:19.599 would be like, practically speaking, this would 01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:23.400 just be more problems. And looking at how faith 01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:26.539 works as a concept, this might be a good thing 01:00:26.539 --> 01:00:29.559 for the Imperium. I feel like he might be on 01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:34.059 the side of looking out for... Screw it. Let 01:00:34.059 --> 01:00:36.980 the Emperor ascend just for practical reasons. 01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:40.519 Yeah, that might be an issue. You'd have to catch 01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:43.599 him right as soon as he's just come back from 01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:48.780 just before Indomitus, before Plague Wars. You've 01:00:48.780 --> 01:00:51.659 got to get him in his cigarette break where he's 01:00:51.659 --> 01:00:57.239 just there like, fine, do it. They can maybe 01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.760 convince the Eldar to help them. Some Harlequins. 01:01:02.219 --> 01:01:07.400 That is a good point. And there's multiple factions 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.599 that could be convinced that the Emperor is not 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:15.139 worth having as a god. And maybe the Eldar is 01:01:15.139 --> 01:01:18.360 one of them, I doubt. Do you think the Necrons 01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:21.820 possibly? Necron side with the Custodians. We 01:01:21.820 --> 01:01:24.400 don't want any more of these immaterial, crazy 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:26.820 folks. We want everyone to be normal like us. 01:01:27.869 --> 01:01:30.090 Do you have any skin? I don't know if they'd 01:01:30.090 --> 01:01:33.750 be desperate enough to let Necrons be part of 01:01:33.750 --> 01:01:36.550 this, though, and get into the throne room of 01:01:36.550 --> 01:01:38.909 the Imperium and stuff. There's some examples 01:01:38.909 --> 01:01:41.670 of Harlequins. They work together. Harlequins 01:01:41.670 --> 01:01:45.409 make sense. They have some relationship. That's 01:01:45.409 --> 01:01:49.489 like the worst of the worst. They let the Hellraiser 01:01:49.489 --> 01:01:53.670 cosplayers in. And Trazin did help during Cadia, 01:01:53.690 --> 01:01:57.059 which was lower stakes. end times level threat. 01:01:57.380 --> 01:01:59.340 I feel like Necrons wouldn't be out of order 01:01:59.340 --> 01:02:04.219 necessarily. But the Necrons have a lot more 01:02:04.219 --> 01:02:09.239 to gain from just killing the Emperor than the 01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:14.519 Dark Eldoran people did. In my opinion. I'm sure 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.579 they do. I'm sure you can get the Tau to help 01:02:17.579 --> 01:02:20.800 somehow, but not that that would matter. The 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:24.260 Harlequins are their best bet, I think. Probably. 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:28.789 I'd say Yeah, well, as a sort of nice round -up, 01:02:28.809 --> 01:02:33.469 our idea to kill the Emperor slash to save the 01:02:33.469 --> 01:02:39.570 Emperor was murk the Sisters of Silence, massive 01:02:39.570 --> 01:02:43.630 chaos, incursion, distraction, possibly, throw 01:02:43.630 --> 01:02:46.650 every Grey Knight and their grandmother at one 01:02:46.650 --> 01:02:51.150 section altogether, and then hopefully they can 01:02:51.150 --> 01:02:53.750 batter down whatever's rising off the Golden 01:02:53.750 --> 01:02:56.900 Throne, or... Where the other method, which may 01:02:56.900 --> 01:03:01.880 or may not be possible, which is use the emperor's 01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:05.579 true name to sort of command him to sort of, 01:03:05.579 --> 01:03:08.579 I don't know, obey and sit on the throne like 01:03:08.579 --> 01:03:10.599 a good boy. I don't know. How would that one 01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:15.179 play out? I think maybe we have answered the 01:03:15.179 --> 01:03:18.239 question, though. I think that's the kind. I 01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:20.659 don't know if, again, in my opinion, though, 01:03:20.699 --> 01:03:24.210 this would never be possible. Like, genuinely, 01:03:24.449 --> 01:03:27.730 like, I don't know. Like, they could get close. 01:03:27.829 --> 01:03:29.530 I think they could get to the Golden Throne. 01:03:30.090 --> 01:03:32.070 But I think they would get murked as soon as 01:03:32.070 --> 01:03:34.670 the Emperor was just like, go away, flick, and 01:03:34.670 --> 01:03:37.610 then the whole thing. He goes, lick my balls. 01:03:38.590 --> 01:03:41.170 Or just breathes, and then he just inhales all 01:03:41.170 --> 01:03:45.909 of their power. That could be a thing. So I assume 01:03:45.909 --> 01:03:48.250 at some point, like, the Grey Knights just, like, 01:03:48.309 --> 01:03:51.150 it costs all of them to do it. Otherwise, it's 01:03:51.150 --> 01:03:54.260 just not going to happen. Does anyone have any 01:03:54.260 --> 01:03:56.920 other interesting thoughts on it? Because I think 01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:59.539 we may have answered the question if hopefully 01:03:59.539 --> 01:04:03.340 we explored every possibility other than literally 01:04:03.340 --> 01:04:06.820 like, you know, fuck it, we call in the Orcs. 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.639 And I mean, to be fair, the Ordo, I don't know 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:13.880 exactly where all the Ordos, I feel like if the 01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.219 Ordo Malleus sided with the Grey Knights, the 01:04:17.219 --> 01:04:19.699 Ordo Hereticus would then oppose them as, oh. 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.820 That sounds like heresy to me. And you'd have 01:04:22.820 --> 01:04:24.920 an inter -Inquisition war, perhaps. And then 01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:27.320 the Ordozenos, like, this isn't an alien. They 01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.980 keep out of it because they don't care. Again, 01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:33.000 Imperial Fists, that's their home turf. They 01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.619 might get involved in terms of just... I feel 01:04:35.619 --> 01:04:37.340 like they'd keep the status quo because they're 01:04:37.340 --> 01:04:40.219 very conservative in this is what works, this 01:04:40.219 --> 01:04:42.440 is what we've always done. We'll decide with 01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:47.280 the custodians on this one. But I guess we... 01:04:47.820 --> 01:04:50.260 I have to wait and see. I don't know if we'll 01:04:50.260 --> 01:04:52.960 ever see any stories with the Grey Knights, to 01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:54.440 be honest, because it's been a while. We had 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:57.480 Hyperion a while ago. They've been involved in 01:04:57.480 --> 01:04:59.739 Chaos Gate. But other than that, we haven't really 01:04:59.739 --> 01:05:02.400 seen much Grey Knight stories. Well, they get 01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:05.980 a range refresh. You never know. You never know. 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:13.059 Other than that, we had a question of the week 01:05:13.059 --> 01:05:15.099 from the previous episode. I believe it was the 01:05:15.099 --> 01:05:18.539 Maelstrom episode that we... previously covered, 01:05:18.780 --> 01:05:22.900 all that Huron goodness there. I don't remember 01:05:22.900 --> 01:05:26.119 what the question was. We were bringing it into 01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:30.019 the maelstrom. Yeah, it was hashtag crew. So 01:05:30.019 --> 01:05:34.059 the first one was from DonkeyManUSA and hashtag 01:05:34.059 --> 01:05:37.199 crew, I take fanquel. Not because he'd do anything 01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:40.519 resembling useful, but because anything involving 01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:43.119 the funny rat man will become exponentially more 01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:49.760 interesting. That's a really good idea. The next 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:54.860 one is from Mike the Grail Knight. He loves Grey 01:05:54.860 --> 01:05:58.400 Knights. He's been doing all the fact checking. 01:05:59.539 --> 01:06:02.079 I'd only take Timmy from accounting. He's an 01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:04.079 accountant and good at logistics. I'm sure with 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.340 those skills, we could be the most successful 01:06:06.340 --> 01:06:12.519 pirate slash merchants in the galaxy. Timmy's 01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:16.780 a little bitch. Yes, there was Shane and Timmy 01:06:16.780 --> 01:06:20.179 from accounting. Timmy? Was Timmy going to put 01:06:20.179 --> 01:06:23.539 an axe in Timmy's hand? Thought not. We've got 01:06:23.539 --> 01:06:27.900 a double whammy here. So two people. One from 01:06:27.900 --> 01:06:33.139 Bayuma Koneko. I'm taking Gotrek and ducking 01:06:33.139 --> 01:06:35.539 out at the first opportunity because I know what 01:06:35.539 --> 01:06:37.179 happens to side characters in Gotrek's story. 01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:39.260 He'll have the maelstrom sorted in a week at 01:06:39.260 --> 01:06:42.739 most. And Biggest Squiggan, I'm taking Kyverskane 01:06:42.739 --> 01:06:45.260 in brackets specifically as depicted in TTS. 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:48.579 King from One Punch Man and any of the Three 01:06:48.579 --> 01:06:53.280 Stooges, we shall BS our way to victory. Three 01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.719 Stooges, 40k bit would be lovely. It would be 01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.519 funny. And last one for the question of the week 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:03.099 from last time from Matthew Lexia or Latexia. 01:07:05.389 --> 01:07:07.630 The law crimes crew so that whatever happens 01:07:07.630 --> 01:07:10.670 to me happens to all of you as well. Best case 01:07:10.670 --> 01:07:13.630 scenario, I offer Huron four new potential servitors 01:07:13.630 --> 01:07:16.130 with plenty of forehead space in exchange not 01:07:16.130 --> 01:07:20.190 to be servitorized myself. Wow, how cruel. How 01:07:20.190 --> 01:07:24.130 cruel. Do you know what? I know my place. I am 01:07:24.130 --> 01:07:26.309 the guy that's killed off in the first ten minutes 01:07:26.309 --> 01:07:29.889 of the film. Like, I am immediately, I'm the 01:07:29.889 --> 01:07:35.340 meat shield bro. I'm the guy who goes like, Hey, 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:37.260 guys, did you hear something? And then immediately. 01:07:38.059 --> 01:07:41.699 What was that actually? I don't know. I have 01:07:41.699 --> 01:07:47.239 no idea. Hey, guys. Oh, geez. Oh, geez. These 01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:49.719 dudes are so dumb. Chaos has no effect on them. 01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:52.360 That's right, Jake Thornton. They'd be awesome. 01:07:53.260 --> 01:07:56.900 Oh, man. We also have a new question of the week, 01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:02.760 which is hashtag usurper. Basically, how would 01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:07.059 you end the reign of the Emperor, the Master 01:08:07.059 --> 01:08:10.239 of Mankind? What would you do in order to get 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.760 rid of him in your own version of the Terminus 01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:16.399 Decree? Which I haven't really thought about 01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:18.279 how I would get rid of the Emperor because it 01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:23.380 is heresy. Alright, let's hear it. Scooters to 01:08:23.380 --> 01:08:27.539 ankles immediately. Slow, painful, scooters to 01:08:27.539 --> 01:08:31.359 ankles death. We should learn how many ankle 01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:33.920 scooter hits does it take to kill an emperor 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:38.760 immediately. Knock him into pain land. There's 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:42.380 no way he's living that. Bony ankles. You want 01:08:42.380 --> 01:08:45.579 to get Tony Hawk to just skate into his knees 01:08:45.579 --> 01:08:49.399 and get those ankles hit by the skateboard with 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:53.579 a sick flip and then there he goes. Can I still 01:08:53.579 --> 01:08:57.899 throw Titan? The Emperor is a lot cruiser. I 01:08:57.899 --> 01:09:01.840 like the Moonstrad the most. The Moom. Very Final 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:05.720 Fantasy, I will say. We also have Minis of the 01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:09.779 Week. Yeah, which we forgot about. I got one. 01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:12.239 Hal's got one. If you want to have a look. I 01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:16.140 was the one who forgot. No, no, no. I will say 01:09:16.140 --> 01:09:19.159 that Hal very sneakily remembered. Yes, I saw 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:22.829 the chat. And then he went, okay, I'm just going 01:09:22.829 --> 01:09:25.909 to put this in our private Discord very sneakily. 01:09:26.130 --> 01:09:28.909 And then Andy will see the notification and remember. 01:09:31.130 --> 01:09:35.829 So the first one is this one here. This one is 01:09:35.829 --> 01:09:43.529 from Dangerous Cow. This is so cool. I believe 01:09:43.529 --> 01:09:45.449 he says in the post, he's excited for 11th edition 01:09:45.449 --> 01:09:48.670 and his free booters are ready to sail with the 01:09:48.670 --> 01:09:52.720 lads. This man is popping with some color. I 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:55.979 mean, it just looks so fun. That's the thing, 01:09:56.020 --> 01:09:57.760 like, I really, because I don't play Orcs, and 01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:00.460 I don't know if I'd ever, like, feel brave enough 01:10:00.460 --> 01:10:02.960 to have an army that crazy. But, like, that just 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:05.779 looks like such a fun model, man. I mean, he's 01:10:05.779 --> 01:10:07.779 showing, like, there's even more pictures he 01:10:07.779 --> 01:10:09.760 has, like, of, like, separate models he has in 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:15.119 his group. Like, again, man, like, again, this 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.119 guy is having the most amount of fun on the table. 01:10:17.500 --> 01:10:21.010 Great, great job, man. Great fucking job. Seriously. 01:10:21.350 --> 01:10:25.770 It's crazy stuff. Then let me just get this selection. 01:10:26.130 --> 01:10:30.090 So this one is the one I chose. And I'm a sucker 01:10:30.090 --> 01:10:32.430 for someone who does like a little bit of like 01:10:32.430 --> 01:10:36.170 CG stuff to help it pop a little bit more. This 01:10:36.170 --> 01:10:40.869 one is from. Well, this one is a lamentary piece. 01:10:41.189 --> 01:10:43.670 And I want to make sure I get the name correct. 01:10:43.810 --> 01:10:49.399 It's Shiraz. Shiraz Church. Shiraz Productions. 01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:55.579 It's good. I like how it looks. I like the cinematic 01:10:55.579 --> 01:11:00.140 -ness, if that is a word. I think it's cool. 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:07.579 What can I say? I like the poses. And again, 01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:09.619 anyone who puts evidence of the checkerboarding 01:11:09.619 --> 01:11:13.319 deserves a pick because it's such pain, such 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.380 a ball ache to do that. And I like, yeah, I like 01:11:16.380 --> 01:11:18.979 how Shiraz has done this. This guy on the right 01:11:18.979 --> 01:11:20.979 who's doing that kind of like mid -stride pose 01:11:20.979 --> 01:11:23.539 so it looks a bit more dynamic. It's good. I 01:11:23.539 --> 01:11:28.859 like it. I like it. Nice, man. Nice. And then 01:11:28.859 --> 01:11:32.039 this one I just need to turn into a JPEG because 01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:36.720 Discord is funny like that. This one was Eli's 01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:41.840 pick. And this one was from the Donkey Man. Brother. 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:47.180 This guy telling me to goon every time. Yeah. 01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:51.420 And this one's from Donkey Man. It's pretty crazy, 01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:57.840 skaven, skaven tricknology from Donkey Man. You 01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:03.859 put rhino tracks on that, on the panelling. You 01:12:03.859 --> 01:12:07.239 can see the back, I think, too. What is he used 01:12:07.239 --> 01:12:13.479 here? Dreadnought pieces. Is that a... Redemptor? 01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:17.260 There's part Redemptor, part Ratman, part... 01:12:17.260 --> 01:12:20.619 I think that's a Ballista's Dreadnought, looking 01:12:20.619 --> 01:12:23.760 at the two different side pieces you've got. 01:12:23.859 --> 01:12:27.680 You've got... Oh my god, several kits. Yeah. 01:12:28.060 --> 01:12:32.840 Jesus Christ, that is a lot of kit bashing. Brother, 01:12:33.260 --> 01:12:40.939 that is impressive. Your unhinged mind, brother, 01:12:41.060 --> 01:12:46.060 is my favourite thing. It's not even painted, 01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:49.819 bro. It's impressive. It's not painted, it's 01:12:49.819 --> 01:12:55.180 here and there. It's in grey. but thank you guys 01:12:55.180 --> 01:12:56.979 so much for listening for watching hopefully 01:12:56.979 --> 01:12:59.239 we answered the question of how we think the 01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.319 terminus decree could be actually enacted uh 01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:04.680 hopefully make it a little bit less stupid because 01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:07.420 apparently asking someone by the way go fight 01:13:07.420 --> 01:13:10.800 the emperor no instructions is a is a valid thing 01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:14.100 so uh other than that we'll see you guys all 01:13:14.100 --> 01:13:18.300 next week for uh yeah back to regular episodes 01:13:18.300 --> 01:13:20.800 with stuff got some more cool things coming and 01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:23.500 we'll see you guys very soon peace bye everybody