Hello, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
and welcome back to Law Crimes. Hello, hello,
hello, hello. Welcome, everybody. We have a special
episode today because we've decided, the four
of your law criminals, your hosts, we have invalid
opinions. So we've decided to get someone who's
got maybe a little bit more experience on the
tabletop, someone who is actually banging out
amazing videos. Awesome, I can't wait to meet
them. Who are you talking about? oh my mom is
fine you know yeah she's about to replace me
right now cool lady replace the cast member um
but yeah we got paul paul is about itself is
here he's in the house man uh i would say i've
been devouring his videos recently a few of my
warhammer mates have uh cued me onto his channel
and it is you know when someone else makes a
video you're like that's How dare they make such
good stuff. It's almost annoying when it's really
good. I'm very sorry about that. that's my bad
i get i get so annoyed i'm like that's that's
you know i'm sure someone at one point has said
that about me and then not ever thought it again
it's fine but uh i very much enjoy paul's content
and if people somehow don't know him obviously
go check out his stuff if you are getting into
playing tabletop in warhammer it's a daunting
task but paul goes out and plays tournaments
and proceeds to um I mean, how would you describe
your experience, Paul? Get annihilated. Hell
yeah. 33 % of the time I win, basically. To put
it in perspective, my very first game at my first
big tournament was against one of the best players
in the world, a guy called Ben Jones. During
the more DACA... time where Mordakker orcs were
the worst thing ever. So my very first game at
a big tournament was against Ben Jones, Mordakker
on table one. And I was like, well, here we go.
And I had 18 centurions and I lost very quickly.
Did you key his car afterwards or something?
I hope he was nice. Oh, he was lovely. He was
a nice guy. Very good. Everyone was playing him
super nicely. well speaking of centurions uh
today we are doing a tls and we are going to
be talking about legends and uh as you can see
i don't i don't see how that relates i i still
don't quite get the concept of this one i'm not
really sure how we um This is here for the meme,
because we're rating units that have had a model
and they're legends, and we're just doing it
based off of our personal opinion, our vibe on
how much we like it. Centurions are here because
11th edition is on the corner, and we thought
we might have some thoughts about that. Yeah,
you have some opinions on these. I mean, you
put them in the right place, at least. You put
them in Esther. They are... I do love them. They
are the best. I don't think they will go to Legends,
honestly. I actually don't think they will because
they kind of, they have a weird niche that isn't
really covered anywhere else. I know they're
a firstborn unit, but you don't, apart from like
obliterators, there's not really that, and I
guess now mutilators when they come out. There's
not really anything else that has that slow,
they're basically tank infantry. They're infantry
tanks and not much else really does that. I mean,
maybe they will. Maybe they'll send it to Legends
and my 36 insurance will be invalidated, but
I'm hoping not. Pretty iconic look, though. What
drew you first to being like, you decided, I
am the Centurion experiment. Like, I am going
to unleash this on the tabletop. It was basically
an accident, because I started off when I came
back to the game, I started off playing Drukhari.
But when I bought my first Drukhari models, I
was just scrolling through the Games Workshop
website, and I was just looking at all the new
Spaceman stuff, and I saw them, and I was like,
buying them, they are the coolest thing I've
ever seen in my goddamn life. It was only like
a year and a bit after I bought them that I then
played a crusade using my custom Space Marine
chapter, the Screaming Ravens. And I had a bunch
of them. And then I started going to a couple
of tabletop tactics tournaments with 12 and a
Storm Raven, just because why not? And then literally,
as I was going on holiday last year, I was like,
oh, I should probably go to a tournament. Now
that this is like my full -time job, I should
go to a proper tournament. And then when I got
back from that holiday with a week before the
tournament, I went, I want to do 18 Centurions.
So I had to buy six more Centurions and two Repulses,
paint them all in a week, or build a paint in
a week. And then from there, it kind of just
spiraled out of control. And now I'm the Centurion
guy. RIP the bank account, though, I bet. Yeah,
I mean, to be fair, now that it's full time,
it's something to do with tax. I'm sure I can
work it out. And yeah, the next tournament I'm
going to is going to be... South Coast Super
Major, I'm taking 36 Centurions. Nice. Sorry,
what? 36 Centurions and an Ancient. Because I
think Warlord is the only thing that fits. He's
going for that. That's just... That's the best
I've ever heard. I imagine it will... Because
Centurions move 4 inches, that's their main thing.
They are very, very slow. Which, if you don't
think this is enough... Four inches is usually
enough for most things in life, but for the tabletop,
absolutely. Some might say it's excessive, even.
Stop it. Fancy fast pace means about 12, so four
is nothing. So my entire army moving four inches
is going to be interesting. We'll see how that
goes. I just like the idea that the one ancient
is just like... when little bro gets picked on
at school, and you and the gang... The older
brothers show up. Do you want to try and attack
this not -so -lone -up character? Well, you could,
but there are 36 centuries who could turn around.
And we'll get you eventually. It is doable. I've
lost to dwarfs before in Old World, and they
have a resounding 3 -inch movement stat. I am
wondering, because I'm going to use Gladius Task
Force, which, again, if you don't know Tabletop...
When in doubt playing Space Marines, just use
Gladius Task Force. It's by far the most generic
and simplest and probably best thing. AZ, I'm
wondering if I should just go, okay, I'm just
going to advance and charge, or advance and shoot
turn one. Everything goes forward. I'm just going
to park 36 massively tough bodies right in front
of you. If you can't deal with them, I will kill
you. Man sending out the literal brick. Yeah,
literally just sending an entire wall forward.
Is the Age of Empires 2 just a moving wall? He's
turned on cheats. What's the next one we have
there? I believe that's Yarik. It's going to
be hard enough to throw all of these nests here,
I'm not going to lie. I did start with the named
characters to get us a good start. Are you familiar
with Yarik, Paul? I know he has a little bit.
He's the guy with the big claw. And the Yorks
are like, oh, he has a big claw. That's about
as far as I go. It's kind of it. It's about all
he needs, honestly. He's kind of the gold doll.
He is a bit of a legend. His lore is insane in
terms of what he goes through. I'm going to get
yelled at, aren't I? Of the three big commissars,
I find him the absolute least interesting. Unbelievable.
Older fans might not like that. I know they might
not like that, but one of them is Caiaphas Kane,
and I don't know. I don't know. Gaunt just seems
more interesting to me. That's fair. I'm not
saying he's not interesting. He has very strong
competition. He may not be a Legends unit going
forward, supposedly, isn't it? There's hints
that he might be back. I don't know. I feel like,
because I have to be quite stingent, with this
list because I want to put everything in S tier.
I think we leave them in B so we don't get it's
nice with tier list. Obviously you can kind of
change base. It's good because it's a relative
thing to everything else, right? Keeping something
in B for now and then you realize, oh, a lot
of this stuff is in B and then you can shift
them up and down. He's part of Imperial Guard,
so I don't like him basically. Karamazov is amazing.
He's ass. This guy's on a big old dreadnought
slash throne. Literally one of the coolest models
in Warhammer. Guys, I got a guy with a scribe
on my right who's writing down your crime and
then the guy on the left has the heavy bolter
to sentence justice and I'm a dick. Yeah, Karamazov's
amazing. I think it's... I like the old school
weird where someone... It must have been in the
90s and... warhammer like games workshop where
someone went at one point we should say no and
the other person slapped that person across the
room went no yes to everything yes can you give
mobile pope throne please um that's what makes
warhammer special does he have much deal in the
law like what's his what's his what does he do
a uh imperial agent codec or an inquisitor codex
and it's just like he's just a really like nasty
guy that just goes oh, I'll just sentence you
to death, and if I'm wrong, you've wasted my
time. So the sentence is death. He's kind of
one of those guys. And he's just a bit fun. Literal,
like, witch trials of, well, if you drown, then
you weren't a witch, but that's good. If you
float, you're a witch. We'll kill you. If you
weigh more than a duck, something, something.
Did anyone read The Crucible when they were in
school or something? Did anyone talk about the
Arthur Miller book about the Salem witch trials?
And then there's the guy who they put the whole,
like one of them, like they accused him of being
a witch and he wasn't a witch. And they just
kept putting like stone slabs on his chest. And
he just kept yelling, more weight the entire
time. Yeah, Giles Corey, the goat. I've heard
of that story. Yeah. But yeah, it's very funny.
This guy would probably love that guy. Enjoy
it. Logan Grimnar in the Santa sleigh. Logan
Grimnar. His SPC tier. It's so goofy. It's so
silly. I like the idea, but just the model itself,
there's too much dead space between the walls
and the actual sleigh. You're saying that it
does not sleigh. It does not indeed sleigh. Also,
new Logan Grimnar is so goddamn cool that any
other Logan Grimnar is just not going to be anywhere
near as interesting. The new Logan Grimnar model
is fantastic. I agree. objectively bad but i
have a weird like like i hear the song in my
head like deja vu i just been in this place before
you know that i hear that multi -track wall thrifting
yeah i i have this i do think it's got a certain
charm to it though so please yeah leave it in
c don't put it in d otherwise it's certainly
interesting but i mean i guess one of those ones
where the the the newer stuff is like new models
are cool and the new logo grimmar is one of the
coolest models it is did you like that new kotia's
model that came out a while back the inquisitor
one i uh i remember it being bad i've never seen
it like i don't think anyone uses it anyway so
it's not exactly like it's one of those like
double -edged swords i guess it's like it's a
bad model but it's not exactly a character that
people used anyway so not exactly at least they
kind of wasted the bad model on something no
one really cares about his face looks like uh
like a stylized anime sort of like it's like
badly drawn or something And his hairline is
really solid, which I don't like. It's like he
has stippled, it's like a little bell, not bell,
like a little line of his hairline, and it's
supposed to have like whispery old hair on it.
God, his new book was terrible as well. Look
at the trickster. He's S tier for tabletop rules.
At least he was. I don't know if he is anymore.
Ain't nobody else can one -shot a Warlord Titan.
What could he do before? One -shot Warlord Titans.
If you killed him, you rolled off, and if you
lost a roll -off, you died. He's got a grenade
in his chest. Lucas the Trickster. For the people
who are not as lore -versed, this guy is basically...
I don't know how to describe it. He is literally
like Loki in some sense. He is basically the
trickster. He lost one of his hearts against
a Drukhari Archon, and then he replaced it with
a grenade because he thought it would be funny.
It's not like just a grenade though, it's like
an ice time capsule. I don't know how to describe
it, but it's like a super weapon. I think they
must have updated rules for Tenth, because his
legend rules seem a bit... eh. I mean, he's pretty
cheap, but he doesn't... he seems okay. He's
a cool model though, because he has lightning
claws, and lightning claws are cool. So, I mean,
lightning claws are usually Esther. His book's
fun. In any lore stuff, they... uh the space
wars basically had to take a rock paper scissors
to whoever has to look after him because he's
so annoying they hate him so much but he's a
good teacher to other blood claws Yes, and he
did give Magnus the middle finger at one point,
literally. I think every space wolf's done that
at this point. Magnus couldn't be a regular line
troop space wolf at this point. I feel like that's
just the rite of passage for any space wolf,
is just give Magnus the middle finger somewhere.
That's how you get your named character status,
is just by giving him Magnus. Yeah, and then
the next one, I believe, is Gabriel Angelos.
Gabriel Angelos! He backflips in that. Would
you like to explain Colin, just for the uninitiated?
Oh, he's the Blood Raven's chapter master, and
he's in Dawn of War, and really that's all you
need. He talks really funny. Yeah. He's no Indrik
Boreal, though. He's no Indrik Boreal, but I
mean... It's pretty normal that there's no Indrik
Boreal. He's still respectable, and like you
said, he does backflips in his Terminator armor.
I mean, come on now, that's 10 out of 10. That's
pretty cool. Is that a big hammer he's got? It
is. Yeah. That's also pretty cool. Two -handed
weapons are always cool. Yeah. He's a pretty...
Do you ever get to play the Dawn of Wars, Paul,
before? I played Dawn of War 1 when I was a kid,
though I don't remember any of it. Yeah. I don't.
Yeah, he's mostly, like, his story, like, his
interesting storyline, but his whole point is,
like, he... becomes chat to master because their
previous guy was a librarian corrupted by corn
which is very in a bit of an interesting choice
considering corn hates psychers got a lot of
the logic there um but he i do not cringe when
i do it said corn in dawn of war three he did
have the ability to do is it a front flip i believe
in the mobile rts yeah That kind of ruined him.
Very World of Warcraft with the front flip animations
when you're playing an Arms Warrior. Which were
always the coolest ones. I'm happy. I'm fine
with it. It does blend into World of Warcraft
with that game specifically. If you didn't know
what Warhammer was and you looked at that game,
you'd go, oh, new World of Warcraft DLC. In space.
I think it's happy. I'm happy where it is. Another
Gabriel. Okay, another Gabriel. this hurts my
chest he doesn't deserve to be in legends he
does not deserve to be there no and i am a my
favorite painting scheme is flesh terror's colors
love it love that like slightly off red oh we
lost colin no worry about it he'll be back it
was about blood angel so he got scared um but
i I absolutely love flesh terror, like, paint
schemes and stuff, and the fact that Gabriel
Seth is no longer with us is a massive shame,
because this guy, um... He is cool as hell. And
his eviscerators are just awesome. Like, two
-handed chainswords are just the best. He's also
the biggest arsehole. He's the best. I think
he deserves an A tier. He's a really cool model.
I was gonna say, I feel like he could make a
very cool, um... i think the problem is at the
moment like he's on a 25 mil base which again
if you don't play the tabletop he's small he's
a small lad now he's very outdated an updated
version of him would be would go would go hard
be pretty cool i mean it's not too bad to actually
make it probably make a kit batch for him to
be honest because like again eviscerators are
just cool as hell yeah god i would love i would
if they do update him i'm buying that immediately
i guess the trouble is like At least lore -wise,
now the devastation of Baal is done. Blood Angels
and their successors are a bit rudderless. What
do you do now? I kind of add our big battle thing
that defines us. As we all know, when an army
wins one battle, it instantly disbands. Just
look at D -Day. There was no more battles after
that. I'm just saying, what's going to outshine
Baal? They're all playing Rage Cursed Onslaught
on the tabletop and just running 20 Death Company
and a ton of Sanguinary Guard and just running
forward turn one and turn two. And then Gabriel
Seth said, fuck it, I'm going to Blood Bowl.
I'll see you there. Fuck it, we buy it. A tier
is good. Pedro S tier, he's awesome. I love you,
Pedro. Pedro Cantor. Now, I'm going to have to...
We're law guys, a lot of us here, so we're...
we're getting our hackles raised about his lore,
because he's a cool character. As the model itself...
He's not Legends, by the way. Yeah, he has a
new model, I'm pretty sure. You can still play
him, he's not Legends. He's not technically gone
away, but I imagine this guy supposedly... He
might as well have been. He stayed, but the Avril
Seth didn't. Because they're basically kind of
the same... They're very similar in terms of
they're a successor chapter, kind of chapter
master, who are on a very old model, but one
went away and one didn't, which I don't quite
understand. It's usually the, according to man
who's never wrong, Valrak, who, by the way, is
a very nice dude, but I have had my hopes dashed
a few times on his predictions. I love you, brother.
But supposedly, if models go away, it means they're
going to get updated. So... yeah man there is
no update from pedro i'm i'm looking at carandra's
there any day now he'll i'm sure yes sure pedro's
got a big red fist and he's got a big red fist
on a banner i think that's awesome have you seen
that new um uh they they've revived an old ultra
marines captain uh last year and it was a anniversary
mini and he kind of looks like pedro canto you
could oh yeah you have that many Yeah, pretty
much. I remember that because it's the one with...
Does he have hazard stripes on his fist instead?
Yeah, but he has a fist. He has a banner. He's
got a cool bow. That's Pedro. You could just
make him with that. Just paint him that way.
I don't know. I think I like... I know Crimson
Fist is quite iconic because it's the first Space
Marine chapter ever. But I think a lot of these
will go a bit harder. like a lot of these models
so i i'm tentatively would say top of b because
i'm as much like a normal space marine like kind
of chapter master or captain it could it could
be better if everyone's like yeah yeah yeah eli
just hates space rooms by the way so i don't
i do i hate space words He's just a little guy
with a banner. And yeah, they killed him. He
is dead. He's got the mask on. Who cares if he's
dead? Let me play the model. Yeah, for real.
Frickin' Warhammer Fantasy, half the characters
in your book were already dead by the time you
finished reading the Codex lore. I think it should
go right next to Seth, because this one is...
People kitbash this one all the time, even if
they can't necessarily get it or play it. um
because it's you know golden boy with a half
mask thing he's looking pretty good i'd say at
least he deserves a surely i like him yeah i
like his story yeah i'll put the space marine
that looks pretty similar to this guy in beats
here which the only difference being that that
space from his name is pedro i just think the
model is nicer wow bad look man bad look Also,
the optics are not in your favour. What's his
bolter as well? His bolter. Oh, it's a melter.
I do like that. Shame it sucks in Space Marine
2, by the way. What do you mean by that? It's
great. Yeah, it's alright. I can't remember who
the next guy is. Scout Sergeant Tellian. Who?
Scout Sergeant Tellian, that's who. He's in charge
of the 10th Company of the... the Ultramarines.
He shot old One -Eye in the other eye once. It's
quite funny. His model's basic, but I actually
really like it. I think it looks really cool.
I think it's actually better than the big beard.
That sure is a Space Marine Scout. I think he
looks cool. Paul, do you have any... What are
your thoughts and feelings on Ultramarines? Because
they tend to get everything. I mean... As every
child did, I started collecting Ultramarines,
but I was also eight years old. I kind of like
Ultramarines. They're okay. I think actually
reading the Uriel Ventress trilogy made me appreciate
Ultramarines a bit more because there's some
interesting... It's nice to have that kind of
system. Not all the chapters in Space Marines
are all kind of nutso. There's one that's a bit
like, hey, let's... chill out a bit and just
follow the nice look professional army almost
yeah yeah um which is fine i just think that
my problem with ultramarines is generally that
they get my nerfed and that's really annoying
apart from the one time they didn't when i actually
buffed they had buffs insurance because they
nerfed your real ventress once so that was great
for me um but most most of the other time though
they usually screw me over so them uh before
we get further into the Into the Grey Knights,
Andy. Was there any donations? Can I ask Andy
for just one thing before that? Okay. Can you
just scroll down the page really quick? all right
that i that wasn't that wasn't as many as i thought
i was waiting to see just like double you're
waiting for the space marines you were waiting
to see like the credits of avengers where it's
like all the sfx yeah yeah one day one time i'll
say paul we did uh we ranked all of the horrors
heresy books i'm pretty sure that was eli and
colin's worst like one of the worst days in their
entire life i could hear them pulling their teeth
out it was quite that does sound horrendously.
Waiting to go into the gun safe and just like,
I can be away from this episode right now. Our
first one here from Spooky Kabuki122 has become
a member. Thank you very much. He's teaching
me how to play Warhammer. Here we go. Eli and
Hal will wear a green hat 27th of February. We
have a member here on the Lorecrime stream that
did not follow the rules of wearing a green hat.
on a predetermined day. I wasn't here. I can't
do it. I forgave last week because I'm like,
Colin, you have family. Wow. What? What's with
all the words in that statement being capitalized?
I like that. The reason is, I think, because
of the amount of characters you can have in a
certain Super Chat, they've compressed it at
the end to fit everything in, which I appreciate.
I think that's very good. uh by the way paul
we've got to say our chat um they make fun of
us they don't say anything nice i mean that's
just a chat in general right that's like um i
don't have family okay whatever i don't care
briefly try and get the chat without trying to
make the thing horrible what oh Nick Nack, thank
you for the tenor. Reminder, Ray Morris came
out nine years ago. Love or hate him, they're
not going anywhere. Let's focus on what's great
about old models and what's different about current
models. Thank you. That's a nice, lovely sentiment,
but I am a YouTuber. I bitch for a living, so
I'm afraid that... Negativity sells. Primaris
are bad. Boo. They don't look cool at all. Primaris
are more or less being phased out and we're just
going back to Space Marines that are the right
size. Yeah. The new Space War models have been
good. Biblically accurate Space Marines. Donkey
Man USA, resident law criminal and man converting
an army. The rat in the chair is done. I can
rest now. Nice. The rat in the chair. Is it in
the Lorecrimes Discord? Which you, the viewer,
should join. This absolute mad lad has been converting...
What's the army he's converting it into again?
Skaven Mechanicus, isn't it? Skaven Mechanicus.
Oh, Ratmech. Where did we put our Skaven? Here's
the minis one. I want to do one that a lot of
people do. Cheese Stealer Cults. Cheese Stealer
Cults. Skaven. My buddy actually does that. It's
so cool. The horn round the goal. It's the first
post in the mini of the week thing. Holy frick,
bro. I must admit, though, you said cheese stealer
cults, and my first thought was Bretonians, and
I'm like, oh, no. Colin hates Bretonians. What
a passion. Correct. Mr. Set, thank you for being
a member for six months. Banish those centurions
to the shadow realm. How could you say these
things? Banned. Chaotic noom. BT, thank you for
being a member for four months. Hell yeah, drawing
cursed stuff as we speak. Wow. Oh, is this the
chaotic draw column? Chaotic draw. That's pregnant,
yeah. There's a lot of people that do that. I
don't know. I do know why. There's not a lot
of images of you on the internet. Someone's drawn
you pregnant. You're just upset that I have a
large family. You know you've made it on the
internet if you have Rule 34 about you, alright?
That's one of the stages of internet fame. You
first get the Raid Shadow Legends email. That's
one of the first ones. Then it's the Rule 34.
And I don't know what comes after that. You guys
also get the emails where someone's saying, wow,
really love your channel and makes no reference.
Oh, yeah. My very first sponsor email was someone
who wanted me to advertise a hairdryer. That's
not a joke. I'm a bald cartoon. I replied to
them going, what part of my content do you think
makes me fit? thinks i fit for your product and
they didn't reply wow i just don't reply anymore
will pen for two centurions need centurions needed
at least one hq by the end that would be cool
yeah but i i will say the thing i i always say
when people talk about um centurion characters
it would make centurions even more horrifying
because they're actually very strong but if you
think about a lieutenant which is lethal hits
giving lethal hits to devastate devastates insurance
would be horrific so i can see why they did that
that'd be mean it would be horrifying centurion
library librarian when that's what i want yeah
i mean oh giving him like a four -pin bomb would
also be absurd it's already hard enough to kill
them but to feel no pain while we're at it yeah
four of them would feel no pain like every other
goddamn bastard who keeps playing as me Angry
Hamonka's been a member for nine months. Andy,
can you please elaborate on salamander tech marines?
They're cool. There you go. I don't know what
else. Salamanders are cool. Together, they remain
cool. They like making stuff because they're
salamanders, so they're like better tech marines.
There's not all that much to say about them,
to be honest. They're cool. They're cool. PalmNom27.
uh thank you for being a member for 14 months
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way green rocks green Yeah, that's all that matters,
mate. It's just green. It's green. Oh, a legend
of the chat is back. Kabanda has mighty schlong.
Thank you for finding that. An OG. All of the
Khorne demon engines are A+. That is true. I
don't know if any of them actually got put in
this. Lord of Skull is still... I don't know
if it's Playworld. There was a YouTuber in Japan
who did. the three corner skulls. We had him
on a couple episodes ago, actually. He messaged
me, actually, because he saw I was going to try
it. I was like, oh yeah, we should hang out at
some point. Someone at the London GT as well
also did three corner skulls, and they were down
the table from me. I'm like, that's such a baller
move. Someone at Beachhead, I think, did four
Wraith Knights. They lost every game, but it
was very cool to see just these four big Wraith
Knights on the table. Yeah, that's the story
of a Wraith player, is you're going to have fun.
probably not gonna win yeah another one fine
is my song even five dollars also why is colin
trying to green screen his room because it was
green when i bought the house whoever was there
before was also a fan of shamrock shakes so they
were like right changing the whole house there
we go our resident donkey man says every stream
in some variety. DonkeyManUSA for two bucks.
Stream late due to Hal Gooning at Buckingham.
He says that every stream. Have you thought about
not being late and then he can't say it? Or does
he say early due to Hal Gooning? I've never been
late, by the way. You arrive exactly when you
mean to and that includes the Gooning. The problem
is, yeah, Hal is never late, but he is always
gooning when he gets here on time. So it's like
a null point. This is why I'm a VTuber. You can't
tell if I'm gooning right now. You think that's
a blue shell? Bro. uh oh my god he's changed
his name again uh hal will wear hat or hat will
wear two pucks if you don't wear it the goons
make your your demise early jesus christ he's
coming after you ryan tanner $53 .01. Thank you
for $5. If you guys do a Space King episode,
I'll get Colin a new pancreas. It's a big offer.
I work at a hospital. I'll do it. And Andy's
a big Space King guy, I think. There's a very
big difference between having the new pancreas
and being able to get the new pancreas inside
the body. Getting the pancreas is the easy part.
Putting it in the right place is the hard part.
I must confess... I've only watched the first
two episodes of Space King. I'm not hip with
it. I've only watched the singular first. I've
never watched it. The only thing is, they did
that collector's thing I got with the cup, and
then I, like, a few streams ago, I was drinking
out of it, and then I got an email recently,
like, we're doing a recall. Please do not drink
from these cups. You might get lead poisoning.
Well, I guess I'm going to the doctors for a
checkup then. Huge for the program. If I start,
like, getting cognitive decline or something,
and you guys are like, Andy's a bit, like, different,
blame it on Space King, because they poisoned
me with that. It's either that or the immense
amount of Warhammer books you've been reading.
You can be the can't -remembered, sir, then.
Yeah. Spooky Kabuki. The Space Wolves suck. Wow.
I think they're cool. Zyko the Psycho is always
a good name. Member of Three Mars. Thank you,
man. Hope 11 edition is affordable for new fans
like me. Wow. I mean... yeah welcome welcome
to a hobby in 2026. it's not um let's be honest
yeah more table games google or table games that's
all i'll say that's all i'll say a walmart army
is probably around about 500 600 quid to be honest
so yeah and the rest i guess yeah again it depends
on the army like i i was i did a video on some
really stupid army lists and a full race list
you can get the The magazines is like 200 quid.
But my stupid idea for a Necrom list was like
a thousand. Look, I'm just saying, you know,
if you can run faster than the Warhammer Store
employees, the models are for you. They don't
let you hunt us down. Alright. This one's Arvin
Stern from Grey Knights. Yes. Where's my bloody
Grey Knight Codex? Where is it? This thing, this
Grey Knight Codex, is useless, by the way. Why?
Because it came out more than five minutes ago,
so it's out of date. It's out of date, but most
importantly, it only has one viable detachment.
I'll show you what that detachment is. It's not
actually in the codex. I printed it off because
it was the one from Christmas. It's Walt Bane
Task Force because that's the only one that's
actually playable in the game. Otherwise you
get literally bulldozed by people. And Stern
was, I played him in Index and this guy let you
do, if you had an extra attack go through, you
could do extra mortal wound damage. This guy
turned your squads beefy and then they killed
my boy. They took him out back, made him dig
his own grave, and they shot him. The model,
though, is okay. I like how Hal went full soccer
mom there. Just like, well, actually. Yes. Don't
talk to me or my son ever again. Where do you
want him, Hal? To be honest, guys, the model
is okay. It is nice, but is it... It's a little
generic, really. He could look like any other
kind of Grey Knight, right? He'd be a captain.
He'd do be just a captain, to be honest. I feel
like the litmus test is if you replace his head
with a helmet, would you know the difference
between him and a regular character? It's the
simplest of like Trajan Valoris at the moment,
or any Custodes. If you just replace his head
with a regular helmet, would you know the difference?
Yeah, I never know. You know, Gabriel Seth, you
replace his helmet, you still know it's Gabriel
Seth. My brother -in -law plays Custodes, and
I never know which one is... uh trajan and which
one is the regular captain guy which one's a
warden which one's uh the other type i can't
remember yeah oh my favorite character s tier
you mean he's in legends what he is yeah he wasn't
yes The newest freaking thing. Colin, this is
useless. He's not in this book. He's not here.
And there's only two characters, and they're
both in Legends. What the hell? Garren Crow doesn't
count. He's just a guy with a sword. Who cares?
Bro, he's not there. Alright, well, guy with
a sword is half -named characters. I mean, he
looks insanely powerful from his data sheet.
Jesus Christ. Yeah, he can give you... Anky Demon
2 plus AP 4 damage 3 melee attack. In the lore,
Paul, this guy... as a demon prince he's just
like cut out your heart lololol twice yeah you
beat him twice he beats him in the new game wow
giving a unit plus three to your charge as well
from deep strike yeah like it was nuts he was
glorious he was beautiful and now he's gone um
but i also do like the look of the mod as well
i do think it is obviously very old like it doesn't
i think it holds up can we put it in st is that
okay yeah he just he's he's caldor drago He's
Matt Ward's strongest soldier. I mean, Grey Knights
is the army where when they do an update, it's
the army that I'm most scared of them updating,
because I love Grey Knights. I've always loved
the way Grey Knights look. They're just outdated
now, and as soon as they beef them up and make
them a bigger scale, I'm going to be like, well,
that's a new army for me. They did that thing
recently. They were like, hey, Garren Crow's
been updated. We're going to bundle him with
all of our old minis. I'm like, hey, no. Stop
that right now. Wait, give me new minis, please.
Yeah, exactly. These ones are Kriegers. They
kind of have new models, don't they, though?
They have their... I think... Was this one that
they put in Legends because they had a replacement?
Andy, I'm going to crash out. I'm going to have
to go look at these. I'm looking a few down the
list. Yeah, these are... These are Kriegers and
not Armageddon guys, right? they're really cool
they got some updates i'd say i i do like the
cree look but i don't have much more to really
say on that i think a lot of other things here
look more iconic yeah i feel like i feel like
they've just they've just got a better version
now right so yeah yeah just fair enough what
is what is this these are these are elysian snipers
Their models are actually really cool if you
get the picture and zoom in and stuff. They look
pretty nice. Oh, we can zoom in here. Oh, they
are small, right? You can see them, like, one's
a spotter on his, like, one knee, and the other
one's got, like, a firing position, so... What
could they do in game, Eli? If they remain stationary,
they get dev wounds. But they basically just
get, like... three air shots. Do they have rules?
Yeah, at least in Sniper Squad in Legends, yeah.
Wow, I thought Lesions were just, like, killed.
For me, because I don't know Imperial Guard that
well, they just look like army dudes with guns,
but snipey. They look better than C2. They look
really cool. They're ODST sniper guys. If you're
in charge, as long as Andy's in charge of the
tier list. I'm apathetic at best on this, I've
got to be honest. What's the next one we have
there, Andy? Some fella. Thank you, fella. That's
Knight Commander Pask. Put some respect on that
name. Who is this? Knight Commander Pask. Commander
Pask. You say these things like he's well -known.
It just passed on lexiconium. Yeah, but he can
do funny things with Lehman Russes. He's in Cadia
Stans briefly. That's kind of all I know about
him, not going to lie. He's a dude who sits in
a tank and I'm pretty sure he's got a cigar,
which is cool. I mean, not being funny, Eli,
there's also a dude here that sits in a tank,
but he's a Xenos. Hey, that's Logstrike. Yeah,
it's just the same guy. Put some respect on these
MFs' names. Oh my gosh. Longstrike made it all
the way to 7th edition. You really are going
full quintessential 1900 General Andy. This tank
thing is a fad. It feels so generic to me that
I've forgotten his name already. His name's Pat.
Postman Pat, I think his name was. Postman Pat.
That's the one. Just put him in, like, D tier.
Who cares? Whatever. I mean, he's not... I don't
think he even has a base, because you're just
supposed to plop him in, like, the little turret.
He's a tank commander! You know, it fits. Oh,
my gosh. What's the next couple, Andy? Oh, it's
Harker. Oh, it's Harker. Okay. I know him. He's
the guy with the heavy bolter. He's carrying
a heavy bolter all by himself. That's awesome.
And shooting it. It's called Payback, the heavy
bolter. Yeah, it is. That's right. He deserves
B tier. He deserves B tier. Come on. The guard
slander is unbelievable. It's weird that he looks
taller than Talion, even though Talion's a spaceman.
This guy feels insane. What's the battle? um
you can change the uh attacks characters to six
and it becomes sustained hits three so it's six
attacks sustained hits three so basically you
roll the six on the attack you get three extra
attacks it's mental look you're not likely to
do it but in theory that's what like 26 or 24
attacks total uh yeah if you get well yeah if
you get all of them six sixes that's 36 Then
you have to wound, but even then. Well, yeah,
but 24, one of them is surely going to go through.
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's cool. I'll give him that.
I think it's happy. I'm happy where it is now.
It's not as crazy as the stuff above him, but
it's still cool. I like it. You know what you
mean by that. Be honest. I'm not really sure,
to be honest. It doesn't look as cool as everything
else. He's not a space marine. He can't be allowed
to have fun. Hey, hey, there'll be Xenos and
other things coming up. That'll be really cool.
Oh, he's bald. I should send him up. Send him
up the list. Andy, hang on. I'm losing the front
line over here. Can you settle down? Have you
seen our foreheads here, by the way? Who's this
fella? This is Commander Tinkoff. Send in the
next wave. You have unlimited conscripts in 5th
edition with this guy. Maybe Hal is right. Never
mind. Cool. You send 100 conscripts to their
death and then he sends in more from your backline.
Oh, Kubrick. Yeah, Tundra wolves. He's in a couple
of codexes. Third and fifth. That's about it.
There's a guy in a coat. He's a Russian guy.
He's based off of the... I don't know his freaking
name. His name might be Jankov in real life,
too. The Russian World War II commander. But
it's like, he's got a coat. Yeah. He's got a
heavy model, but he's just like, I'm just going
to go. I know, his model's not that particularly
amazing. Can I put him below the Logan Grimnaw
mobile? I honestly think the Logan Grimnaw mobile
needs to go up. It's so goofy. It is kind of
iconic. It's so goofy and different. I think
C tier, it kind of feels like it's just a lot
of generic... Very bad, it's good. Let's put
him out. I feel like C tier. I feel like he needs
to go up because he's got that goofiness to him.
Like, bottom of B, but he has a lot of respect
on it. Fair enough. All right, you guys have
to be nice to this guy. Yes. You have to like
this guy. Who is this guy? Colonel Iron Hand
Striking. Absolute Katachan boss, this guy. He's
got his arm replaced. Iron Hand Striking. Question.
He has abs. He does have abs, but does it count
if half of your abs are metal? Yeah, sure it
does. He's got plenty of skin on there. To be
fair, this guy is cool. That's a big old knife.
The half metal with the skin grafted onto it.
He's got a shotgun. Am I seeing an iron nipple
on his metal heart? Hell yeah. That's strange.
He's got an auto shotgun. That's something cool.
It's the details that are important. Does he
have the iron nipple or does he not? Right there.
You know what? I'd put him up. I think he's,
I actually would put him into A because I think
for an Imperial guard, just dude, he's got a
lot of cool, interesting stuff going on. And
he just seems, he seems pretty badass. He's got
a bloody auto shotgun. There's an auto shotgun
with, I don't know much about guns, but I feel
like an auto shotgun doesn't have a pump action
as well. Maybe I'm wrong. That is cool. Probably
not. It was a regular shotgun back in the day.
What is the next one we have there? Captain Elrahem.
He's awesome. His models maybe not quite as...
Captain Elrahem. You guys don't know. We don't
know nothing but Space Marines on this tier channel.
Bro, he's not in any books. He's in two editions
of Imperial Guard. He's cool. He walked around
like an entire freaking continent just to kill
an Eldar Autark and then he did. He does an Eldar
Autark. He's really cool. I do like he does look
more interesting than Man in Coat. His sword
was instant death back in the day and you could
like... Apart from the gun, he looks like a D
&D miniature. Yeah. It kind of does give that...
I do like how different that is compared to a
lot of Warhammer models, though. It's cool. Again,
I think it probably fits in a similar thing to
the Logan Grimdarr battle wagon. I think it's
just... It's an extra thing you don't really
see much anymore. So I would say he can stay
in B. Yeah, I like that. Just because he is old
and goofy, and he's kind of fun. Ooh, I know
the next one. Tyranid War Veterans. these guys
were classics i don't think it's anything crazy
as just the model it is obviously yeah i think
they could go even crazier with like if someone
was a certain war veteran like the um lieutenant
with combi bolter who has the like tyrannid shoulder
pad uh the lone up one like that's cool um whereas
these guys i do like i do think it's iconic but
it's also not crazy what's your deal is like
we changed the aquila with a sword with an ultra
on it like that about it the freaking the screaming
guy looks awesome and these face sculpts are
pretty cool i think they look cool yeah i think
again they're just a little too generic right
yeah especially compared with some of the later
stuff i think i mean again it's that kind of
it's classic but nothing groundbreaking i think
compared that to the guy we were talking about
before It looks like the D &D miniature, which
has just a lot of all that kind of fancy clothing
that just looks way out of place. This doesn't
look so much out of place, it just looks old.
Oh, I've seen the next one. My Beloved. Librarian
Dreadnought. Yes, Librarian Dreadnought. F tier.
Did you say F tier? F tier, because where the
hell is my Thousand Sons version? Why can't Thousand
Sons have a Dreadnought? Why do Blood Angels
get one? Don't they have enough cool shit? It's
because Matt Ward wrote the 5th edition Blood
Angels Codex. So they got all the cool stuff.
I do play Thousand Suns and our Hellbrute sucks
so bad. The Muthalith Vortex beast is amazing.
We need a Psychic Dreadnought. The Sekitar robots
are cool, but that's not it. That's not what
we're looking for. They're also too small. Weirdly
too small. But I still have love for this, though.
Because this thing is pretty... It has a blade
arm. And it has an actual librarian sarcophagus.
It's like a power blade. I think it's quite...
It's very different from a lot of the other box
dreadnoughts, which are obviously very iconic
too. Although, being fair, it's either top of
B or low A, surely. Because it is pretty cool.
He's got a cool falcon thingy. Whatever you call
those. B for breadnaught. Or breadnaught. I don't
even know what the next one is. It's a long fang,
isn't it? Or a thunder fang or something? A storm
fang. Yeah, a storm fang. It's a Hellfrost cannon.
It was strength D back in the day. Strength D
was a thing. Oh yeah, wasn't that just death?
Yeah. And now it's 300. I check its rules. It's
300 points and it's not good. Very bad. It's
300 points and it's one time, I think. Six inventory,
which is mad how big our thing is. But it does
have a damage 7 weapon. What the hell? That's
so specific. Wait, what? It's it? D3 attacks.
Strength 11. AP 3. Damage 7. What a weird...
For like 50 more points, you get a Tau Tiger
Shark. With a strength like 16. Railgun that
does 12 damage. It's basically just a very expensive...
Not very good Stormraven. But it looks cool as
hell. I do think it looks cool. Do you think
A or top of B alongside? Is it cooler than the
Librarian Dreadnought? It's probably B. I think
top of B. We'll see. Maybe top of B. The Dreadnought's
cool, but that's a whole ass vehicle. I like
that. Flies do suck in. 10th though they did
suck so that's just i should say they did suck
it's almost over now yeah yeah apparently the
doom site's no p i don't know that storm raven
has play storm raven is still cool this is the
sonic dreadnought don't complain about it sonic
dreadnought it's cool he's got a blast master
he looks he's got a funny face yeah man shush
you go ahead go ahead let him get out I don't
hate dreadnoughts. I hate when you call something
with a slightly different gun on its hand a different
dreadnought. It's not. It's not. It's dreadnought.
It's dreadnought. Thank you. It's alright. It
looks a little top -heavy from that picture.
Is it Sonic Dreadnought? I need a closer look.
Sonic Dreadnought. Sonic Dreadnought. I thought
it looked like a dreadnought. I mean, the Impressions
don't really have an old... alternative to that,
which would be quite cool if they did. The big
problem with it is the top half is really cool.
It has a lot of cool stuff on it, and then the
bottom half just doesn't fit. There's dreadnought
legs. The two pieces, it looks like they went,
oh, we've done the top half, but we've run out
of time to make the rest of the model, so let's
just chuck the old legs on there. Yeah, they
could have some subwoofers attached to the shins
or something like, oh, go full on with the sound
stuff. Like, nah, just normal legs. If they made
a new one, I think they could do a really cool
model. Oh, yeah. One would have expected a new
one when the range refresh happened, but whatever.
It's fine. Yeah, well, I don't think... No, you
need... Eli, you need twinks with swords. That's
what the Empress children are now. Twinks with
swords. I got Horatio. I got Horatio models.
I'm pretty happy. Not that I actually play my
Empress children. Horatio? Yeah. The flawless
blades are just Horatio. Oh, yeah. The pinched
head. But is it better than the Blood Angels?
I think it has a lot more character than the
Blood Angels. No. I was going to say, he looks
more interesting than this one. Blood Angels
is a normal Dreadnought with a sword. Why are
there two more coming up? The Chaplain Dreadnought,
Mr. Colin. The Chaplain Dreadnought. Should we
do the Chaplain? Should we just get the Dreadnoughts
out of the way then, quickly? Yeah, do as agreed.
Chaplain Dreadnought. Right next to the other
ones. And then put the other one right next to
that. Put the next one as the classic Boxknot.
He's S tier. Alright, fine. Put that one up there.
Put him up there. I'm probably going to be controversial.
The Boxknot, like, the Redemptor is just way
cooler. All right. Now I'm going to start mailing
hype bombs. I mean, this is the thing. Look,
I played the game as a kid and I came back in
9th edition when everything had been updated.
The Redemptors just look cool as hell. The Brutalis
is so fun. Again, I think this is the... I definitely
see... This is the nostalgia talking, I think,
in terms of box notes are cool. And they are
fun, but I just think that you put one next to
a Redemptor and it's just night and day. It's
about Warhammer. A Redemptor could fit perfectly
in StarCraft. A Boxknot would look out of place
in StarCraft, but a Boxknot looks perfect in
Warhammer. The Redemptor Dreadnoughts are generic
sci -fi. This doesn't mean they're bad, but it's
not unique. You know what it is? The Redemptor's
too well -designed. It's round and shiny. For
me, I can see... progression between the box
nought and the redemptor i don't see it being
so different it's just again it's similar to
the primaris right where it's scaled up and just
kind of more modernized right it has knees it
has kneecaps yeah again box noughts are cool
but i i'm happy for them to be in st to be honest
i just wanted to throw out there that i also
know redemptors are very cool as well i just
like red noughts are cool as hell I think I'm
going to pivot into, because I play Grey Knights
and Thousand Sons, which is quite hyper elite,
and I think I might pivot into some Death Company
if 11th starts. God, I want to throw Death Company
and Dreadnoughts at people and just let them
deal with it. I've got a whole 5th edition Blood
Angels army sitting around waiting to get some
action. Never will in 11th edition, but... Should
we do one more? There's a few donuts. It's the
Chaos Sorcerer, which technically I'm not sure
if it was a model or a conversion, so I might
have cheated by putting this on here, but back
in the day, when you could give anyone any war
gear you wanted and just make your own model
because it was cool, you could have a sorcerer
on it. It has rules. I couldn't imagine anything
weirder, though. Why would a sorcerer need to
be on a bike? Because he's cool as hell. a bike
yeah unique guys on bikes if you if you're if
your infantry force is all mounted on bikes why
would you have a sorcerer just walking around
he wants to be the like epitome of an 80s heavy
metal band album cover yeah that's it him with
like the wind in his hair with the star phrase
and like lightning coming down just because he's
a nerd he can't do sick tricks yeah exactly Like
crash into a wall at hypersonic speed. Sick tricks.
He just slams himself right into a wall and blows
up. Guys, check this out. Proceeds to try to
do a wheelie and immediately flops on his back.
I mean, as a model, I don't know if it's like,
I would put it just below the grouping of dreadnoughts
that we have in beta. I think it's... I don't
know if it's... I think he's cooler than a Dreadnought.
I need to see the model close up to... He's doing
a wheelie. Can we zoom in on that one there?
We can zoom in a bit. I don't know if that's
like... I thought it was a weird -looking base.
Oh, yeah, that's what the bikes used to be on.
It looks like a sense burner, you know, where
you put the stick on the end. It looks like a
nail file. Yeah. I don't know. I think the Dreadnaughts
are slightly cooler. But I think it's cooler
than, like, Pedro. I think it's... I think the
uniqueness of it. Because Dreadnaughts are obviously,
again, like we said, or like I said, the Dreadnaughts,
you can see that even the modern ones still look
like Dreadnaughts. There isn't anything modern
that really covers cool wizard guy doing a wheelie.
So I think he does belong up there. He is unique.
Fair enough. Put him before the Dreadnaughts,
Andy. And then I think we have a few more donors
to get through. We do. Do you want to start us
off, Al? Yeah. The Nova Box. Oh, it's for Colin.
Hey, Colin, just wanted to say hi and tell you
that I saw you at a gay nightclub for homos up
in Chicago. You were busy talking with that guy
in the gimp suit. I didn't want to bother you,
but hello. Wow. Thanks for leaving me in my business,
Chief. Thank you for the $10. That's what we
expected. Spooky Kabuki. $5. Thank you, Saur.
GW barely cares about the cool Psyker army. Grey
Knights never had a chance. True. Don't talk
to me or my thousand sons ever again. You know,
the Elder are right there, too. I like the idea
of Grey Knights for 10th, like being the kind
of teleportation and stuff. I'm also, I mean,
I like Centurion, so I also do like the baby
carrier. I think that's cool. Oh, my man. Me
too. But I do think they kind of got lost in
the shuffle. I think the Psyche keyword... I
got the idea of the Psyche keyword, but it did
kind of just become ability. Ability Psyche just
makes it kind of not as... There's not enough
that interacts with it. I miss the Psyche phase!
I miss the Psyche phase! The Grey Knights did
need something of like some version of what the
Thousand Suns have for their rituals, because
otherwise there's no... there's no like interesting
thing they can do and they're all almost over
costed as well yeah grey knights have a lot of
weird stuff in there like they're all their power
armor two up save which is different they have
a lot of interesting unique weapons all their
melee is really good but it's just all a bit
of like a hodgepodge of random stuff like a load
of like half done half -assed ideas nothing solid
i think it's the big big problem with grey knights
they need that ward back i literally don't even
play it i think their chaplain only lets you
like he doesn't even give you plus one to wound
as a chaplain he just lets you re -roll the uh
the charge roll it's okay but it's like that's
like the chaplain thing again two of your characters
don't even have models they're just blank oh
man pain Oh, Hal will wear hat or hat will wear
him. Thanks, bro. For two bucks. I swear, if
you forgot, I give you the Colin tree. What the
fuck does that mean? I have no idea. Angry homunculus.
I had the idea to paint Castellan Crow as Tanjiro
from Demon Slayer. Kill, main, burn. Kill, burn,
kill. Andy, please explain how Salamander Tech
Marine is different. They really like the Promethean
cult and they like to make stuff. that's not
what other tech marines done make shout out to
these fathers or is that only is that an iron
hands thing uh they have the iron fathers but
they're like tech marine chaplains whereas these
guys are like they have chaplains librarians
and tech marines separately but they love making
stuff anyway so they're like yeah we all are
a bit of a tech marine in us Donkey Man USA.
Thank you for $2. What rat do I make next? Need
more ideas. I don't know. You've covered a lot.
A flying rat. A flyer rat. Have you done a Scrap
Ross? A Scrap Ross? A Scrap Ross. A filthy man.
A tall rat. Was he... If he's playing AdMech,
has he done at least one Belisarius version?
Because he's a must -take. What about... an abomination,
whatever, a help -hit abomination with a doomsday
arc coming out of its belly or something like
that. Make just a rat out of Skaven feet. Okay.
You know what this guy's thinking about. You
should do a turn Storm Fiends into Castlem robots.
That's an actually good idea. But then you will
have to play Castlem robots, which is a problem.
Morning straight four view. Morning star. Morning
star four. I can't read. Oh my gosh. We were
joking about it before the stream, like you can't
read. I literally have trouble. I'd like for
Dono Dings to be a saurus yelling bok bok, like
he's crashing in stink miner 28 weeks later style.
and for chat to one day spam donos it would be
it would wreck your guys house leaving you homeless
I'm having an aneurysm just reading this thank
you for the $10 it would be cool if we could
add sound effects to that but that would make
it harder to edit I guess one of my super chat
uh sounds is the metal pipe sound but way too
fucking loud uh so if i don't see it coming and
i'm like painting or something it's just like
jesus fucking christ that one exactly way louder
it's very funny come by your skin hey why is
pedro cantor on the list he ain't legend says
abraham john he is he isn't if he isn't he should
be he is playing It's actually a leak. We know
more than you. Yes. He is a legend. We all actually
work for GW. We swear. My dad works for Nintendo.
He told me that Pedro Cantor is in Legends, whatever
the joke was. Also, my dad could be up your dad,
by the way. Not Stendo. So back to the list.
We got Wolf. Cyber Wolf. That is a wolf. I think
that... We talked about D &D models earlier.
That is just a wolf. Yes. He's got cybernetics.
He's got cybernetics. But he's just a wolf. He's
a cyberwolf. Cyberwolf bro. Put him in seat.
Put him in seat. Yeah, put him in seat. Okay.
Knight Commander Pask is below the cyberwolf?
Really? Really? You know what? Yes. Just because
it's funny. Oh my gosh. You heard it there. Your
suffering brings me pleasure. canis uh wolf blood
canis canis he's like the lieutenant of um one
of the great companies canis something wolf on
a space marine when he was a regular dude it
is a cool idea but i hate the fact that Like,
that supports furries in some way. I'd boo. Also,
how does he drive the wolf? I was going to say,
that looks very dangerous. I mean, to be fair,
if you have horseback archers, they'll not be
able to use their hands. I think he's cool. That's
a very valid point in this unvalid list. If he's
fighting, he's basically using his pelvis to
direct where it moves, and that makes him uncomfortable.
I mean, you could extrapolate that he basically
jumps on and off the wolf. He drives by his belly,
jumps off, claws them, and then the wolf comes
back and eats what he jumps back on and then
rides away. Space wolf drive -by, that's interesting.
Drive -by wolfing. Exactly. You've got to get
funny with it. What is it? Servitors. Classic
servitors. This is the last human faction one,
Colin. It's okay. They're just fellas. Combat
servitors. They're kind of fun. They go in the
bottom of C because it still puts them above
that tank guy who I can't remember the name of.
Yeah, good idea. Good idea. Night Commander P.
Monkey, monkey, monkey. S tier. S tier. These
are legends, right? This guy looks oddly like
he would still be on the Warhammer website, but
I was 99 % sure these aren't in the game anymore.
Was he underlined, maybe? Maybe. Funky monkey.
Can you still play the monkey? They're in the
5th edition Grey Knights Codex. Wow. I don't
know if they made it further than that or not,
but I feel like they did. Can it be an S here?
Because it's so... stupid it's so weird just
weird i i must admit i've just been reading through
the the imperial night books by andy clark and
there's a monkey called i think it's debuco and
it was sad because it's like he's injured and
he's happy he's he's crying and i don't hurt
the monkey There's a reason that John Wick spent
four films getting revenge over a dog. Blast
a million people out of a hive city, but don't
hurt the dog. Come on now. Abraham John says
the monkey is legends after Imperial agents got
their codex. That's kind of insane. It's kind
of insane. Couldn't even give them the worst
codex. Another thing Imperial Agents should pay
for. Your time to shine is here. We're on Eldar.
Yeah, Carandras. Please, please come back. With
how cool the Striking Scorpions are now, and
the fact that every other one got an amazing
update to the Phoenix Lord. This guy's just so
stealthy and hidden that they couldn't find a
new one. He's hiding too good. Lichist as a model
is incredible. All of the new ones are amazing.
The Striker Scorpions have made it great. They
made a new Phoenix Lord instead of updating the
guy. They were the first Aspect Warriors to get
the revamp because they were a kill team. His
model, to be honest, it's probably the lamest
Phoenix Lord model. unfortunately but again it's
just because of age right like he looks he's
just standing there like all the other phoenix
lords have such dynamic poses he's just like
yeah i mean if you if you compare the old phoenix
lord models together not the new ones like the
new ones naturally but all the other old ones
are kind of cooler than they could they could
do something though like hell have them just
like naruto running because it's like the ninja
or something the um the hair like in the wind
kind of like to one side or like windswept and
interesting. I like the curved chain blade with,
like, the slight tip. And the claw. Just the
tip. And the claw. It is just weird. Like, because
they also updated Azuma, but not the Dire Avengers.
It's like they just fucked up. They were like,
all right, Westworld and the Striker Scorpions.
They went, wait a second, we fucked up. Dire
Avengers hold up, in my opinion. I think they
still look good. Yeah, to be fair, they're not
too bad, but, like, it's weird that they did
it that way around. It is. Where do you think
we would... place it. As it currently is. Does
the other Phoenix Lords, the other old Phoenix
Lords models look better than him? All I'm saying
is, hear me out, I'd put him, like, here. Because
he's cooler than, like, Talion. Yeah, I think
he fits similar in kind of, like, the generic
Space Marine. He looks quite generic for an Eldar,
but also, I think the other thing is, like, with
the Space Marine ones, like, there's not that
much potential. This guy has a lot of potential,
right? And that kind of makes him more disappointing
because he could, based on what they've done
recently with some of the models, he could be
just, like, the coolest fucking thing in the
world. Oh, yeah. What is it? Nightspear. Nightspear.
He had a tactical rock before it was cool. Yeah,
his model's really cool. He's got the edgy face
mask thingy that looks epic, and he can snipe
people with his vortex gun that shoots through
the warp. That posing as well, it is quite unique.
At least probably even when it came out compared
to the whole ranger. I would say it probably
does do the egg. It's cool. You know like the
Horus Heresy Primarch models, they all have weird
little building bits they stand on. He's like,
I was there first. I started it all off. You
should be thanking me. It was like a little pointy
bit. It's kind of cool. It is weird that like...
the death gesture is very similar in terms of
the posing. Oh, yeah. Can I do that? I'm not
going to complain about Andy putting an L -dive
on space. By all means. Everyone, it's definitely
the lead. I would say so. I think, again, for
this one, compared to Carandra or whatever his
name is, I've probably got his name wrong. you
could update this one with exactly the same pose
just make it slightly bigger or like just scale
it up properly and put a little bit more detail
in and it would still be cool because it's got
the pose down it's got kind of the vibe down
it just needs the these are you know modernization
right a little touch up he is yeah to be honest
he is still pretty modern like he was the seventh
edition model yeah so so he's pretty he's pretty
cool unlike garandros which is like just a metal
dude you know what was that made like 1994 or
something probably older than me He speaks from
his chest. He's like... What's the next one?
A shadow specter. What's the... A shadow specter.
Very long. In fact, that might even be the...
We have the other shadow... That's the Phoenix
Lord of the shadow specters. I mean, they look
kind of the same, so I'm not going to lie. You
could probably place them next to each other.
Is it... That's why I thought... Okay, we're
still out here. These guys are cool. I miss them
because they were like ghosts. They kind of had
like that fire prism like gun but as infantry.
They have the Forge World lore where they're
good at everything they do and just really OP.
Also correct. Irilith fought an entire army of
Slaanesh demons in the webway by himself, by
the way. He's pretty goaded. The goat? I like
this one more. I love Forge World models. I love
Forge World more. More flowing cape. Paul, do
you own any Forge World resin bits? No, I actually
don't, I don't think. No, I haven't got any Forge
World. I have a Contemptor that I bought. I bought
the Thousand Suns Contemptor, like, unique one,
which has the little power blade in it. And that
was for Knight. and then immediately you cannot
take contempt of Dreadnought's contempt. So...
Huge. That's right, it just becomes a hell brute.
Yeah, but then it sucks, the hell brute. Also,
Andy, you know, I don't want to jump the gun,
but I'm going to be honest, I completely forgot
that lady's name. That's not a good sign. Is
this the Blackstone Fortress? It is. It is her.
Amalyn Shadowguide. Yeah, that was never good.
Which is the most World of Warcraft Night Elf
name I've heard. Very true. Alright, Sylvanas
Windrunner. She kind of reminds me of the elf
from the Elder Scrolls Online game. Alright,
so put her in D tier for making me think of the
Elder Scrolls Online. Put her in the bottom of
C tier because we still want to... I really like
the flowiness of the design. I like the knife.
I like the gun. I like that I just immediately
forgot her name after I put the image of her
in. It's another model that recently came out
and then got legends immediately. What is this
next? Bone singer. They used to be like a healing
unit. They were executed for their crimes. I
don't know. Hal's favorite Dawn of War unit of
I've lost my army, I'm just going to slink away
into the shadows. I learned that from Colin.
I'm a little rat. I'm watching you. And I'm proud
of it. Bone Tinger's cool. This is an early dynamic
posed model. Got a bone thing coming up. I think
it was a 7th edition anniversary or something
model. It must have been pretty rare. It seems
like they were doing a lot of diagonal pieces
of terrain in this era. They were really starting
to get their footing with tactical rocks. Top
of B. It's cool. I like B. It's cool. I wish
they had it. I don't know if Bonesingers really
walk around the battlefield very often, to be
honest, but... They don't, but, you know, desperate
measures and all that. Yeah. An outtark on a
jet bike. It's unbelievable that this unit is
Legends, by the way. But what are you going to
do, I guess? It is weird. You can't... I think
the problem is because there are alternatives,
and it's like... and they do all talks are really
cool i'd put this guy in the seat here yeah yeah
i can't leave my shining spears my shining spears
are leaderless but the chinese are still cooler
they are cool i can't leave them with my outdark
which makes me sad what's the next one that is
that a race it's a right here and it's great
how big is that thing it's the size of a great
lord yeah in fact i actually i got one of those
um the the torso of it is just the normal wraith
lord body like only the head and the spear and
like the arms are resin i think i have a chinese
wraith seer lying around in my bag of bro has
all the knuckles i have well bro it's it's like
it's like it's super hard to get most of these
models so i just buy the chinese ones yeah they
look the exact same i think yeah i think this
was forge world but i think people would just
use a wraith lord and call it a racer they would
just give it a staff or something It is cool,
though. It's very elegant. They used to be good,
but then the psychic phase went away, and I think
they had some brain gun. I mean, they've got
a wraithed D -canon, which is just the same as
a D -canon, but with dev wounds, which is pretty
cool. Yeah. D -canons are strong. I like wraiths,
but I'm biased, so I'm happy. I like wraiths.
I think it deserves to be above the red knots,
at least personally. I would say so. I think
so, yeah. It's cooler. Wraiths and bikes for
Aldari are the things I really like. Bikes is
where I kind of get lost, but that's because
the combat patrol was just nothing but bikes,
and I don't need that many fucking bikes. I made
a list, which was the Wraith, whatever it is,
the Wraith host, Wind Rider host, whatever it
is. It was literally just like 50 bikes. Just
like six squads of Wind Riders, and then just
like... some vipers in there all the different
bikes shining spears it's awesome it's awesome
see see now don't you wish there was a i'll talk
on a bike for that for that i mean true to be
fair you have to you only really go with like
the warlocks or the farcees right a farce here
on the on the jet bike with some of the cool
stuff you can do with them it's quite cool i
i use them a lot in ninth edition This is the
Homunculus guy? Urien Rakoth. He's such a cool
model, oh my gosh. He's staying on those weird
worm things. He's fleshy and gross. Huge shout
out to the Dark Eldar range. He's got a hand
going. The thing is, I imagine they're going
to be back soon. Surely. You'll get Lady Malice
and you'll shut up. The other thing is that they
made the rules, they still updated the rules
for Legends when the Codex came out, and all
the rules are fantastic for these guys. They're
actually really goddamn strong for all of the
things that went to Legends. It's so stupid.
Oh, the next one also asked you. I'm going to
be controversial. I'm going to say Grotesque
should be seated here. That's crazy. And the
reason I say that is because they're all basically
the same pose. And the amount of different kitbashes...
Again, Drukhari is basically the most kitbashable
army you can ever make, really. You get any sort
of Drukhari head put on any imagery model you
have an arc on. I just feel like they're a bit
too... They're too monotone and boring when you
can do a lot more stuff with them. And I feel
like... Compared to the other things that got
sent away, this one is just a bit, like, underutilized.
Especially compared to, like, the Kronos and
the Talos, right? Which are just, like, floating.
They're all just, like, shirtless Rammstein fans.
With some green stuff, I'm sure you could pose
these guys differently. That's exactly the thing,
right? Like, the base part is not too bad, but
they are all a bit just eh, compared to what
you could do with Grotesques. Yeah. I think they,
compared to the other things, I think they're
a bit air. I'm sad. 5th edition era Dark Eldar
are one of the coolest armies ever, I think.
yeah by the way uh r .i .p green stuff because
apparently they've gone out of business haven't
they oh whatever i don't know why you can hold
it hold all the green stuff oh oh my gosh this
next one called the archon yeah it's the freaking
with the slit and stuff the the the the uh last
one i can't remember the name of the cool thing
i don't know what it's called but um s tier for
sure yeah i i Again, I never got the models.
I started making my own. Like, I used, thought
it was a cane snake person. Nice. Oh, hell yeah.
To make one. They're just, they're just cool.
This is, this feels like, you know how with the,
kind of, the new releases, they've done, like,
the Red Corsairs have a group of dudes, right?
Or the Uriel Ventress groups of dudes or whatever.
No, not Uriel Ventress, the Titus groups of dudes.
I feel like this will be one in 11th issue where
they're like, this is your new group of dudes
because we've started doing that for the rules.
That'd be cool. It's a weird direction, but I
don't mind it, to be honest. It gives more flavour.
I like it. It needs to be on the right points
cast, because my lord. Yeah. Not like in 9th
week, I'm like four of each parts of the court.
This massive giant court of four of each of them.
It was insane. Beastmaster. Freaking cool, too.
And they had beasts for them back in the day,
and now they've been... The Beastmaster himself
is like... I mean, I like Hellions. He's just
like an okay Hellion. The monsters that come
with him are cool. The one, the Claude Fiend
is a better... Claude Fiend is a better grotesque
than the grotesque. I would honestly put him
in C tier. He's cooler with the guys that come
with him, for sure. What if you took one of the
guys from Back to the Future to Hellraiser? Tantalus
goes second next to Centurions. Yeah, I'll take
that. Nothing beats Karamazov, in my opinion,
but it is really cool. And there's a guy at our
club who would play this thing all the time,
and it's, like, legit Ford Coral. If they make
a plastic one of these, I really hope they do.
A plastic one of these with Vector as an alternative
would go so hard. I've got a blue nerd. I can't
see him. What are you saying? What did you just
say? I said there's this blue nerd from Avatar.
I don't... I'm booking my flight to the US right
now. I'm killing this guy. This is Aung Chi.
Stupid blue. He's outdated compared to a lot
of the newer Tal stuff. Make sure he's above
tank guy. Make sure he's above that guy, we can't
be having - No Andy, Andy, please, there's another
tank - there's another tank guy coming up. There's
another tank guy coming up! Yeah but Longstrike's
cool, because he's got a fucking railgun. Yeah
Longstrike's cool. But like, this guy is just
like, I've got a stick and a loincloth. Where
are my shoes? He's lame. Yeah he's cool, he's
actually like a really fun modder. He's actually
the guy dressed like that around where I live.
Yeah she looks quite good when he's - Yeah, exactly.
He's got abs - he has a - that guy has a 4 plus
invulnerable save, you know that? You know that?
who like has like the fake chicken and he's like
famous she is one of the coolest characters in
the entire setting but he's not as a model i'm
a character that's the only thing he's just like
Oh, he's just like, he's wise and he's good at
fighting with a stick. He's really nice. He's
the nicest guy ever. He's the guy from Rogue
One who's just like, the force is with me, I'm
with the force. Even Phil Kelly. Even Phil Kelly
couldn't make this character look bad. Even Phil
Kelly couldn't make Aunchy look bad in those
garbage dumpster fire books. He's still cool
in those stupid books. Oh my gosh. This is Chazal.
Can you say the name that isn't... He hates humans.
He's called the Assassin. Oh, he's racist. Put
him in S tier. Yeah! That is a weird profile.
It really is. He's strong. And he can go with
the XP9 battle suits, which are also on there.
He's got a weird EMP gun. No AP damage tree,
but it's anti -vehicle dev wounds. Yeah. It's
an EMP gun. Yeah, to be fair, I like his design.
I think he looks cool. He looks very Gundam.
Yeah, his rules aren't any good, even in Legends,
but he's still cool. No, I mean, he looks like
absolute trash garbage. It's one shot that does
three damage. But he's really cool. He looks
cool. Him and the XV9 suits are really cool.
I brought my XV9 suits to a tournament that allowed
Legends, and everyone loved them. And they're
unpainted, too. They're Chinese unpainted XV9
suits, and they were still like... every time
i hear some town name it is just endless glove
yeah this guy this guy like this guy like cries
and complains about the elder's treatment and
then hates on the towel yeah i see you know what
i see i see a crab trying to get out of the bucket
get back down here come here get over here together
monkeys strong together we are sticking together
in this nice bucket His rules are really good
too. I like Longstrike because he has a railgun.
Railguns are cool as hell. He lets you bring
a fourth hammerhead if you're bringing legends.
That's basically why this is like four hammerheads
is too many. Please stop. Please stop bringing
four Hannah heads. And then they went, oh, roguelord
tank man, you've got six roguelord dogs. His
gimmick in the lore, Hal, is he's got like a
prototype suit that interfaces really well with
the Tonk, therefore he's good with Tonk. That's
his lore. As long as he's not the other tank
guy, we're alright. Above jacket man, I'd put
him above shirtless. Does he come with his tank,
or do you actually have to have a separate tank?
No, he comes with the tank, I think. yeah okay
i'll say if you've had them if it only was like
the little model of him yeah that's better i
think the problem with him is that literally
he is just exactly the same as a hammerhead but
with him poking out going over there that's about
it i've been trying so hard to find this model
while i've been failing Just get any hammerhead.
Call it a long shrug. Just say, oh, he's hiding
in the tank. You could just get any Tau mini
and just like, it looks like every other Tau.
Okay. Oh my gosh. I'm not saying that's not the
case. Yes, I do. All space marines look like...
jocks who ate a fridge and that's okay and uh
all tower weeaboos speaking of the king i mean
i mean that's called coherent cohesiveness within
a faction yeah looking similar the greater goon
this model awesome he's so freaking goofy he's
an old dude in a chair holding a stick and he's
got the two guards beside him he's giving me
uh He's giving me Prophet vibes with that chair.
I was going to say, he's from Mammoth Halo. Yeah,
he's really cool. I have him, and I'm really
happy with him. I like my Mega Pasta as much
as the next guy. So I would even argue. I love
the fact that he has literally no weapons apart
from he has a close combat weapon, which is Wall
Attack, hitting on sixes. Oh my god. He's the
supreme material. He's supposed to be safe. I
would say he's probably just below Yarek. Yeah.
You're a G for that. You're a G for that. I think
because it's cool. I like the setup. I think
he's A tier, personally. Oh, yeah, I see him.
I'll take it. Yarek has some kind of slightly
higher... Yarek has aura. It's another Gundam.
XB9. These things are really cool. What does
that mean? XB9 has a battle suit. Yeah, sure.
Oh, Melty Snickers from Mecha -Salt. What's this?
They have a bunch of different variants, too.
That's just one of the pictures. It's just like
a beefed -up crisis suit that has bigger experimental
weapons and stuff on it. I like that. I think
it's fine with maybe where it is, though, because
it's not crazy unique compared to... I don't
have a Gundam. Chazal Vermeer. What is this?
If you were paying attention in the Taros campaign
episode, he was the guy running the show on Taros
beating up the Imperials and completely obliterating
them. Where's he been lately? I don't know. I
don't know. He's probably died from old age,
honestly. Or he's in cryostasis. His head's really
low. He's like, you know, in Doom where you hit
the guy and his neck goes into his shoulders.
It's like, bonk! He's the same here. Am I seeing
crew? Am I seeing an actual crew? Yes, a crew
talks rider right there. We don't have a Gnarloc
rider, maybe. We don't have the great Gnarloc.
Oh, wait, he's coming up. He's coming up. He's
just a little bit further. That thing looks so
goofy. I do. I like that. That's fun. That is
like, that man is riding a large chicken. What
are dinosaurs if not big chickens? That's true.
He's cool. I like him. I like him very much.
Before we get any further, do we have one or
two donors? We've got a couple. Before we wrap
the last grouping. IV7642. Pask in D is appropriate.
Paska is shit in finish. I only got a second
one from him. Longstrike is just Rupask. Blue
is a cooler colour, so that does make him better.
Do you know Eons of Battle? Paul, you know that
guy? He paints his Tau all blue. In a really
cool... That guy's army scheme as well. His crew
army is insane. Damn. His painting stuff is really
cool. Yeah, it makes me feel bad. What am I looking
at? The next one? These drones. These are more
of drones. Stealth drones, maybe? Can this go
in D tier? Because this is just a drone. I mean,
they're like big wing drone. They're big drone.
If D tier gets any more, we need to add a last
minute F tier. I was texting Braden to tell him
to come see the... It'll be a P tier for PASC.
These are more drones are cool. They're invisible,
they have burst cannons and they shoot at you.
There's even in Khazra 'kin, the freaking Khazra
'kin sergeant sees them and he's like, wow, that's
really pretty. And then maybe the tower actually
cool. They look like dinner plates with wings.
To be fair, something to consider. They seem
like they're actually pretty big because they're
five moons each up to six and they go 16 inches.
They're actually pretty big models, apparently.
There's nothing wrong with a flying saucer, Ed.
It's like this. I see the appeal of this. But
this is just... What is happening with the...
They deserve CT. I think they're cool. And they're
big. I'm pretty sure they're like this big. Yeah,
I think if they're big, I think they go CT. I
think that makes them at least more distinct.
Just to leave it so that D tier is even worse.
I want to see you in D tier. What is the difference
between this and the next model? One is yellow,
one isn't. What do you mean, bro? My blood pressure
is going up. That's an orca. And this is a barracuda.
The other thing is a big fat transport. Both
are water animals. Same difference. The barracuda
is cool. They're really cool. If you look at
a picture, when you paint them nicely, they look
amazing. The barracuda is cool. The yellow one,
I'm pretty sure you could throw that in a spiral
and hit a six spiral with that. If you see the
picture, there's a whole command suite inside
and you have the guys in the transport. It's
really unique, really cool. It has a carrying
capacity of 48 infantry. This is very small on
my speed. But it kind of reminds me of Titanfall
for some reason. It's really big, and it's really
cool, and I really, really, really, really want
one. I do kind of like the... It's a fun battle
bus, actually. I kind of like it. I mean, that
is... I was joking earlier about brakes. That
is a brake. At the end of your opponent's movement
phase, one or more units can disembark if they
have deep strike. So you can literally jump...
You can basically get free rapid ingress with
it. It's gigantic, though. For Tau, though. Rapid
ingress for Tau. Yeah, imagine putting 30, 40
Tau in that. It would make it look worse. Imagine
owning 30 or 40 Tau. We saw frickin' Fire Warrior
TV ads. That's crazy. That's cool. What is that
next? Is that like a Christmas? That's square.
Is it the Red Gobbo's one? I can't remember what
it's called. It's not Princess, it's the other
one. That's like the Gits, I believe. Because
there's like three of them on that little thing.
As a quick aside, shout out to the Orc Legends
list. Boy, am I glad I'm not an Orc player. Half
of the Orc Legends are like five -year -old models.
This one's brand new. They make like a one -off
thing and then it goes immediately to legend.
Yeah, they basically make it so they're not tournament
legal. That's the whole point. And to be fair,
it's going to look really weird. I mean, yeah,
like three of these were Christmas models that
I grabbed, but also at the same time, like 80
% of their list is legends. I like the red color.
I think it's fun. It's not a birthday Pikachu
card situation where they're overpowered as well.
It's just like, are they festive? any good i
assume not they're fun they're not they're probably
like um i think i think if i remember they're
decent but in a in a wacky way they're not right
they can be good but it's in a very silly way
dare i say do we grab most of those orcs and
put them all just above the towel suits as a
group because they're all kind of giving off
the same like vibe and quality i love them I
don't see anything there that's really jumping
out at me, right? I don't want to say they go
together. Old Arkmiles are so freaking great.
I do enjoy... What's the pirate ones they have?
They just have the new attachment. Freeboot.
I love a... I think that's so ridiculous. Also
got Uftak here. Uftak's not even an old model
or mini. What the hell? If you get a chance,
Paul, his book is quite funny. We've ruined Brayden's
day. He's going to hang you, Hal, he says. There's
a book I need to find I want to read, because
there's one that has I think it's an orc book,
and it contains a centurion jump pack suit or
something. He finds a single centurion jump pack
and nicks it or something. I can't remember which
one it is. I think it's a newer one. I know you
can now buy Captain Bad Ruck because they're
bringing Legends ones back temporarily. I quite
like Bad Ruck, I've got to be honest. He's got
such a lot of character. Uftak's kind of fun
because he's standing on a squig, but other than
that... That is his squig princess. I think Badger
can go to A tier, because he gives me the same
vibe as some of the other ones, like the guy
with the shotgun and the half metal, where it's
just like, it's overloaded with gubbins, right?
But it's such a classic look that I think it
stands out. I want a fifth -engine work model
army so bad. Someday. How many armies do you
have, Eli? Too many. I'm trying to offload some.
I'm trying to sell my stupid Chud Genestealer
cults back there. But nobody wants them. What
the hell is this bad boy? A great Gnarlok. That's
what it is. These are real Gnarlok riders. Real
cool, beautiful riders. Has anyone here ever
played Monster Hunter? Yeah, I've played some
of it. There's a joke about one of them which
they call The Pickle. because it looks like that
it's the top tier unit in dawn of war for the
towel devil joe i think it's called devil joe
it's called the pickle monster it looks like
a big pickle bro he's a big dinosaur hey yeah
what a minute a a for the pickle this is the
most generous andy's ever been to me on a tier
list before andy andy's so merciful I've seen
you suffering a lot today. Probably the majority
of that was me inflicting it upon you. I think
just to balance it out, can we pull that other
Tau guy out of D and just put him in the bottom
of C? Just to really keep the point home. What
are these? Gargoyles? Are gargoyles not in the
game anymore? These are Ripper flyers. yeah i
mean it's not funny it is quite generic but as
in like they'll probably all look the same as
a grouping and then yeah the tier did surprisingly
didn't have as many nearly as many legends as
i thought yeah i think you can run it is the
dimecron legends really oh my gosh what is that
i think a lot of the legend stuff is just like
the old big stuff right yeah This is like a malanthrope
or something. It has malan and it has throat
in the name, but it's not a malanthrope because
that's already a thing. Let me try and find which
one is which. It's not that one. It has all these
weird bulbous sacks on it. It looks big as hell.
Surely Hal loves this model. surely this is a
i was uh so i did think it looked quite like
at least very xenomorph compared and tentacles
on it i don't know what that is i don't know
what it is or something like that i believe it's
it's something a lot no that might be the mountain
oh it could be the monitor because that's the
old character that is the mountain okay i think
it's because the um What the heck? Are Malanthropes
not the guys with the long tentacles? Or is that
something else? No, this is a Malanthrope. I
guess it was a Forge World variant. I think it
had different rules. Yeah. It looks creepy, though.
I just like it because it looks like the Tyranid
quote -unquote logo. Oh, yes. It used to be Neuranthropes,
or Neurathropes as a separate thing, but now
that's just the... sergeant version of his own
tropes yeah yeah i think it's really weird it
deserves eight here at least it's very detailed
it's a very nice model it is it it's intimidating
and looking as well it's it's very it's very
alien looking if that thing was like hovering
towards you you'd yourself You're making these
up. What the hell is that? I've never heard of
that. He's a big lad. He's got 10 attacks and
they look like they do damage. It's like scythes.
Yeah, it's like death guard. Oh, I'll have one
of those. I'm having a scythe for myself. What's
that about? I've kind of been superseded by the
norns at this point. The assimilator and the
emissary. I think this one's bigger than a norm
queen, but I'm not sure. Shout out to the guy
who played with three... Do you have three norm
emissaries? I think you might have. Probably.
That was a horrific experience. I kind of want
to do a list with three of each, so six norms,
and then just whatever else you can fit in there.
Do you find when you... I saw in one of your
recent videos you played against one of my local
clubs, Causton. Oh, yeah. There's a guy, is it
Bile Titan? Is that the Bile Titan or the Bio
Titan? I can never remember because one is the
Hyrule fan. Yeah, one of the guys rocked up to
the club with one of those a few weeks back and
I was like, my god. When I was a 12 -year -old
kid, my other 12 -year -old kid friend, his parents
bought him a Hyrule pin. Can you believe that?
Can you believe that? Where are we putting this
thing? he's cool i think that where he is yeah
yeah i don't feel strongly about it compared
to the norns now like he just doesn't look as
cool yeah with some of these things besides hero
duel i will do it yeah okay i had and these next
two i think these are the same yeah they look
the same these two almost they're big bricks
um they're cool But again, I think the thing
with Tyranids is unless they're doing anything
particularly different and interesting, they
just kind of get lost in the rest of the big
Gribblies. Which is why the whatever his name
was, the Malanthrope being higher up makes sense,
because that is different looking. And that's
why the Norns also look cool, because they have
that kind of very different stance, I think.
Compared to the other Hive Tyrant type stuff.
These two just kind of look very much like a
cheap knockoff of... actual tyranny of models
they do look like a bit like uh ai generated
card effects yeah yeah what is it we found those
with the same mini was also telling uh and rakia
they go they go surely surely he'll get a new
model in the next edition please it lies immediately
already on his knees i've got a qualm about this
eli and rakia's thing is that he's blue but this
is a menu you can paint any colour you like,
so surely that means that's null and void. What
do you mean? What are you talking about? I would
not be able to tell the difference between him
and an Overlord. Yeah, if he wasn't painted blue,
you'd be like, he looks like any other one. If
you paint him green, he doesn't look like anyone
else. He's got a different war sight. Was his
rules, were they anti -vehicle? Back in the day,
he could make your own tanks shoot at you. And
nowadays in his Legends rules, you can just make
it so your tanks can't shoot. But he gives his
unit of Immortals plus one to wound, which is
really good. The big gripe I have with Necron
models in general is that they tend to all look
very much the same. And they try to combat this
with, like, the staff looks a bit different.
The headdress is slightly different, pointed
in a different direction or a size. Maybe they
have a different cape. But it's like, they just
look like Necrons. i think they've they've started
changing up like obviously like oricon has like
the one eye thing going on and then you have
stuff like the uh um the necrosaur amantar who
just looks awesome right i think these guys because
they all have the same kind of generic necron
head they don't stand out yeah and they have
like a glaive of some description yeah yeah oh
mine's got two prongs oh they literally all look
different yeah but only if you go oh i'm gonna
squint like if you just looked at all of them
in a row Eli loves necrons by the way so this
is then if you just look at the uh the new overlord
with translocation shroud he looks more like
an actual like named character than any of them
just because of yeah they're old Yeah, they're
old and they're not cool anymore. They're almost
busted with the new hotness. The sound can only
take you so far. The roasted glasses aren't going
to help you. I have Ismael and I play with it.
Can I say that these Necron lords, so like Zandrek
and Anrakir, I think they all probably go together
because they kind of give off the same amount
of profile. because he's got like this swishy
kate and he's got like that but then like this
one and this one and this one it's just like
i'm a guy with a spear it's like i got a spear
i got a slightly different looking spear and
one eyeball cool but you're not you're not um
you're not uh what's his name uh altix like no
i'm not altix i'm i'm a completely different
character but i only have one eye but oh the
new character as well recently. I've only had
a few games against it. I've played against them
a fair amount. Yeah. It's difficult. It's the
combination of a 4 -up in Blood and Fire but
feel no pain. Because that also, plus the Wraiths
do it as well with the Technomancer, and then
you do reanimation protocols, and you get minus
1 damage, and then you do a lot of damage back.
It's like... I recently fired... Silent King
does a similar thing as well. I recently shot...
11 centurions at the Silent King and did not
kill him. Because my damage rolls meant I had
to take four last counts per men here. Yeah.
Shout out to my friend Matt, who plays Necrons,
who once killed me in a Silent King Overwatch
on Angron, by the way. And I didn't get the reanimation
back of him. That is amazing. That is a particularly
paid... That game, by the way, I was miserable
the entire time after that. I can imagine. the
centipede shirley's goes high this is pretty
great so different and it's yeah this is the
kind of thing which like you know when they do
uh reveal uh shows uh against when you reveal
shows it's like oh here's a new 40k so if you
go that's cool and then they go oh by the way
here's new asia sigma stuff and it's like this
insane like beetle with a tree man on top of
it you're like whether yeah this is the kind
of this is why the new definer i love because
it's so weird like so weird and so like demonic
this is the kind of shit they need to do more
of like weird stuff like this like this is so
out there and so different that that's the kind
of stuff where i think apart from the box norwich
fine um i feel like this is what happens towards
the top of this list it's like the weird stuff
that just looks a bit different compared to everything
else down the list just gets more and more generic
and with like necrons you can have like stuff
like sarah's way he's got like spider legs you've
got the destroyers with the floaty pad yeah you
could have so many like they can change this
their foot their flesh to be anything they want
and yet it's always two legs staff yeah two legs
staff all similar builds all with capes not a
half cape not like something not like one eye
where like half the face is like we can't it's
just like It's a guy with a staff. And a guy
with a staff. And a guy with a staff. And a guy
with a staff. It's a holy and divine thing. You
can't just go changing it all the time. That's
the taboo. Overlord with Translocation Stroud
looks fucking cool. Because he has that kind
of extra stuff on him, right? And again, Necrosaur,
everyone open the door, get on the floor, everyone
do the Necrosaur. He's great as well. um because
he's so different and so unique like that is
the thing that needs to happen yeah i like them
embracing weird like because playing like thousand
suns if i didn't if we didn't have like the mutileth
vortex piece in our list it would be like damn
we need more weird like craps to make it look
thematically like different from all the other
otherwise i basically end up looking like black
legion with one magnus model which i mean don't
get me wrong i've got yeah magnus you know magnus
is cool i'm not gonna go get him out guys don't
worry i'm not gonna show around but um like i
like even like because i play like thousands
i want something else like as equally weird or
like something cool to go on the list like well
there's a new character just i would love it
if they had um an elite unit of um like just
so you know like they have sorcerer on disc yeah
um they should have like a unit where like it's
you know they're doing a lot now like with three
like in unit three have just like a group of
uh sorcerers on discs who have like gatling cannons
or like some magic sorcery bullshit or something
or like a like a staff with a blade on the edge
so you could have like a combat stance while
also casting spells like you could yeah i want
crazy stuff i want magic coming out the wazoo
that's kind of why i do like centurions is because
they are so weird and different right that's
the kind of like we're a space marine in the
space marine it's basically a space marine but
it looks so different but that's the thing you
know so you say space is a space wing but like
you've got some turrets you've got terminators
you've got all the marks of armor you've got
primaris you've got intercessors you've got i
i like space for you there's so much variety
yeah so much variety even though it's just the
difference between space brains is not much larger
than difference between necron characters i'm
just saying it's a little hypocritical It's one
of those things where you can kind of look at
a lot of stuff, like, I'm trying to make, I need
to find the right legs for it, but I want to
make a four -legged Dreadnought with the Saturn
9 Terminator on top, so it's basically Urgot
from League of Legends. That'd be fun. But it's
just that kind of stuff, like, there's so much
potential there that I'd like to see being leaned
into more, which is why I think, again, the new
Defiler is so goddamn cool. I hope it's good,
though. It looks like it's going to be... especially
because of how big it looks right like i love
the night lancer as well because it's just like
this really it's it's a giant robot that just
charges you and stabs you in the face like that's
the kind of cool stuff the new shield guy who
protects your other guys i just heard they i
because i think each army at least deserves one
thing that should be like ridiculously oversized
big and expensive in points because otherwise
i think a lot of people who are buying you're
probably playing warhammer now like if you were
to play codex space marines that is probably
the one of the most expensive armies to play
just because it's the amount of like models and
update things you get but then i know that people
hate when primates come back sometimes but i
don't mind if lionel johnson gilliman's on the
field points even something as small as um like
aethon shan is a cool ass model yeah he is very
very cool sending hate to that guy in the battlefield
though i am so i hate playing against ravengard
and it was so like it's impossible to relax you
know the secret against ravengard just kill the
um the valuable hqs first even that just just
run at them Because they're a react... That's
the biggest problem with my army, obviously,
apart from the 18th century runs, which is a
bit of a problem. The problem is, if you just
park some big stuff in the middle, they can do
their jumpy -uppy -downy shit, but not much else.
That's, I think, the thing that basically beats
me most of the time. Someone just goes, oh, you're
playing Raven Guard, here's a bunch of stuff
in the middle of the board. Here's Lionel Johnson
on the middle of the table with a bunch of...
Can you get through them? No. I can jump around
you, but that's about it. Grey Knight's got a
few... uh the terminator's got a few points drops
so i might try the banisher's detachment and
then that's the one where if you get same thing
of like if i can reactive move but then i can
react to move into strategic reserves so even
if someone does like get too close to you you
can have all the apothecaries and the terminators
healing up a guy or just first of all someone
comes near you send them up into your reserves
and then still get the guy back in your command
phase off the field But with the whole variety
stuff, I feel like Necrons, we could have a really
cool Ultix one where instead of having just the
cape, it's a skin cape and it's just lots of
folds with faces and stuff in it. You could have
a Pope hat. One thing I see a lot at the moment,
they're doing spider leg guys. You can only do
that a few times. Or it's like, oh, they all
got spider legs. They made rules and character
customizing things to make a flayed one overlord.
I mean, I would say Necrons as a whole, their
range is quite padded out. For not being the
main space -free army. They're the Xenos. There's
no real weaknesses in their line. There's a lot
of cool stuff in there. The Deceiver still holds
up really well. There's a little bit of stuff
for everyone in there. If you like Destroyer
stuff, you've got that. If you like the Warrior
stuff, you've got that. If you like the Doomsday
arcs, you've got that. And I feel that's why
I think people gravitate towards space marines,
right? Because you could either be the jump packs
or the terminators or go tanks or dreadnoughts.
There's a lot of different things there. Tau
is very similar. You can either go full crudes
or loads of devil fish or you go battle suits.
Guys with sticks. Tyranids again. You can either
go lots and lots of swarms or big bad griblers.
I think that's where the armies that are more
interesting are when you have a variety of different
things and a variety of different archetypes
in the models as well. Which makes even less
sense that we don't have a new Carandras because
we need him. He's right there, man. He'll come
out for $90 next edition. Yeah, can't wait for
the 200 quid starting box set, by the way. Speaking
of... Cool wrapping up. I think we have one more
person who did a donation. We've got a few more
to donate, just a couple. First one from TomNomNom
for two. Titanfall mentioned. Clearly Titanfall
3 is confirmed. It's never happening. It's called
Apex Legends. I don't think I want Titanfall
3. three anymore. I'm afraid they've ruined it.
Whenever a series is like, it's been far too
long since the previous one, you've got to remember
that most of the people who made those two games
have probably moved on to other companies, so
it's not going to be the same. Yeah. Pain. Infernal
is Rush. $1 .49, I think it was $2. I saw this
message earlier. You can transport a trip tide
and an orca, by the way, he says. So three rape
tides, you can put in an orca because of the
rules wording. Yeah. I take the same amount of
space as their wounds characteristic, and it's
like 48 or whatever. Oh, wow. Colin, do you want
to read this one? Yeah, why not? Sure. Mr. Silly
Squirrel with a seven Canadian. Thank you. Hello,
all my bald men friends. If you watch the Trinid
Invasion video series by Invicta, you will probably
put the nids at least a rank higher. Interesting.
I like the nids. The nids have so many crazy
things in the books, though, that they just never
really reflect on the tabletop. They got slugs
and stuff, too. Get a Norn Queen. Dominatrix.
whatever it's called the ones that guard the
dominatrix yeah it's something like that they're
called they're like bodyguards for the norn queens
and they're like all female tyrannid warriors
but they're bigger than like a hive tyrant you're
like oh cool we are gonna can we have a mini
no oh not to get political and too woke for you
guys but do tyrannids have gender well i guess
i guess they're like the norn queen right where
it's like there's one queen and then Yeah, they
don't have reproductive organs. It's not the
same as what we would consider. Damn it, the
Wokies have got us again. Other than that, I
think that will be the tier list, guys. That's
everything. We're on top, which means it's a
good tier list. Raiden might literally kill you
guys. He sent me a picture of the Servator and
passed side by side and is losing. These are
unofficial. fifth member behind the scenes member
who uh must he must despise watching this and
not having any influence live well i mean if
he if he's a pathogen droid then he's obviously
got bad taste anyway so yeah yeah so it doesn't
matter i'll say thank you guys for watching for
listening thank you paul for wasting your evening
on this uh incredibly tedious list i had a lot
of fun uh i'll happily do it again man at some
point in the future when i'm yeah every single
week all right guys thank you so much thank you
to paul and we'll see you guys all very soon
have a good night i can describe we've got to
do many of the week but we'll do it next time
i'd wait but i can't move my arms with this thing
bye