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Theoretical. I think I should give Eli a kiss

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on the forehead. Practical. He'll like it. He's

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busy still re -crusading around a little bit,

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making sure the Empire is going well. He's the

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greatest paradox game player of all time. That's

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the real reason he privately was the one they'd

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like, maybe Horace should have won. He heard

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skibbity riz, he's like, yeah, oh yeah, it's

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over. My leg has been up for six, seven years.

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Six, seven. Six, seven. Hello, ladies and gentlemen,

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boys and girls, welcome back to Lore Crimes,

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and it's almost Christmas. Merry, merry Christmas.

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Merry Christmas, boys. Merry Christmas. We're

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so excited, and thank you. Before we ramble into

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the episode like we always do, welcome everybody.

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Today we're talking about the bestest boys, the

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poster boys, perhaps the most succulent men.

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I don't know where I'm going with this. I'm talking

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about Ultraman's guys. I don't know where this

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is ending. Colin's already oiled up and ready

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to go. Of course. We want to talk to you guys

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about not just the Ultramarines, but maybe things

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in the lore that not everybody knows because

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a lot of people know about Ultramarines. It just

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happens. That's the thing. Ultramarines, everybody

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knows about them. They're on the box art. They're

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on everything. They have the amazing posters,

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all that cool stuff. But let's learn about things

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that make them actually cool. But to be fair,

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we need to start with the basics. I do think,

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Colin, you should take it away because we do

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have, you know, maybe not everyone is fully aware

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of Ultramarines because it would be crazy, but

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for the fantasy people who are initiated. If

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you've been living in a rock for the past, you

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know, 30 years of Games Workshop history and

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you miss this minor unknown group of Space Marines.

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Or you've played any video game ever. It's like,

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who's on the Space Marine 2 cover? Ultramarines.

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Who's in the new Dawn of Fortune? And the Space

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Marine 1 cover. Oh, who was in this? Blood Ravens.

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That's the one off you get. Who's the singular

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named character we saw in the Total War 40K trailer?

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Marnius Calgar. Who's Eli's favorite chap? chapter

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hands down i like the automobiles look i can't

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i can't help it if you know there can only be

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one greatest of them all i think that that'll

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be the foreword of this of this episode well

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point out before before people do want to address

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it colin is currently getting something under

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the desk which is he's having his house painted

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so before anyone's like what's that weird stuff

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you know don't worry about it colin's getting

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a little bit of help under the desk it's all

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good crazy We pay people for this stuff. We pay

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people for this. When I click on our live on

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my PC, it takes me to the mobile, and when I

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click on the live on my phone, it takes me to

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the regular live. I think your stuff is just

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whack, dude. Do you want us to give a basic rendition

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of Ultramarines, or do you have something prepared

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that you want us to go into? I've got something

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light prepared, right? this this is something

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everyone everything has to have a template right

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uh you know if you want to make you need to make

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a standard before you can before you can start

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mixing things up you got to have the basics down

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like you know before you can start subverting

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expectations you you got to meet them right you

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got to have a grasp of the basics And while in

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-universe, yes, the Dark Angels were the first,

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the Space Marine, I feel outside of universe

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it is only becoming more and more clear, and

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even in -universe as the time ticked onward,

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that the Ultramarines, they are that basic. They

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are the standard line of Space Marine. You can

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have... A lot of chapters have their own cultures.

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A lot of things are, you know, have more unique

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things. I should say more unique, but they have

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like pretty varied things about them. But when

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you're looking at a space Marine chapter, more

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often than not, you are going to find they are

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ultra Marines, but X, not always with, you know,

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the big name, the one. But do you think they're

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more like, I would take them as a, when we say

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like basic, I think we mean more like Swiss army

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knife in a sense. Yeah. You know, basically it's

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not necessarily boring. These are the, these

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are the fellas. You know, the fact that I'm getting

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some under the table didn't help either. I like

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the fact that it's just like Colin said there,

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oh, they're doing some painting, but I'm just

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imagining just a whole room full of miniatures

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and they're just there like, just priming them

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all, like hundreds upon hundreds. I think, to

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be fair, we should say like, as much as there

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are parts that people do know about Ultramarines,

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many of the chapters in the Imperium, you have

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to put in the context of like 10 ,000, there's

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been 10 ,000 years of Imperial history. So people

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like the Ultramarines have, it's quite amazing

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that they almost have kept to, what we'll go

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into later, which is like a Codex Astartes template.

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Colin will explain more about that in a bit.

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But many of the chapters, like just to give it

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context for this actual episode, many of the

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chapters and many other places in the Imperium,

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after 10 ,000 years, you're going to like, you

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know, culture changes within like a decade almost.

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So you can imagine like, it's amazing that the

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Ultramarines in some sense have a continuation

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of a culture that has lasted 10 ,000 years. And

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it's almost recognizable even to someone who

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has 30. 31st millennium perspective though which

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i find quite cool i do they're the only one who

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have like hey we have an entire micro empire

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just for ourselves like oh that's kind of fancy

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i want an empire i want a micro empire i wish

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i could just own that i think so yeah but with

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ultra with ultra myself in general i mean with

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it being you know it's space marines and we're

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talking about the most like standard template

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of space marines i think a lot of people maybe

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don't understand like the general sense of like

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it's because there's so much variation in warhammer

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law it is unique in a sense to have this established

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culture where it's a formation of like 10 000

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years of like isolated and it stayed quite close

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to their traditions of i mean it's not hard to

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explain which is like It is very Roman Empire.

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I ask if people, I mean, I don't know what era

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of Rome maybe we would highlight too, but I think

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it's very, you know, maybe not, obviously, I

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hope most people do maybe catch on to this if

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they didn't know about Warhammer lore yet, but

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the writers are very clearly based on Ultramarines

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off of Roman Empire and Roman history, which

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Colin does have a history degree on, so he can

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explain a lot more about that though. But they

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are pretty, I like their iconography. I like

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their stuff. I don't know if... ultra itself

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is obviously a greek symbol but um i guess maybe

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not everyone knew that but there's a cool part

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which is that you know space like ultramarines

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in general they are again like imagine caesar

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itself is almost like a continuation of what

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like roman ideals republic although they do have

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the imperium of man which obviously is a empire

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imperium so go and wait for the day then ultramarines

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in battle and instead of shouting something about

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get him he's like for the republic it's like

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hang on That's not yours. Put that back. Hang

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on a minute. That's something. I'll be right.

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Oh, no. But I think poor painters. I'm wondering

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how, while the spray and pray is going on at

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college. It's a vacuum. Yeah, yeah. But I'm pretty

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sure, Colin, you said, oh, you might need some

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like. assistance with the horus heresy ultramarine

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stuff do you want me and hal to maybe just like

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talk about that for a little bit give you a bit

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of a bit of time for them to give it some cool

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downtime if you'd like yeah do you want to take

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away andy do you want to begin with uh all right

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well maybe some maybe some pizza parts that not

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everyone will know because ultramarine is pretty

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light in the horus heresy they're not like the

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main feature yeah i mean i mean Long story short,

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even during the Horus Heresy, they were the biggest

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legion. They had like a quarter of a million

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Astartes. They also were spared from the Siege

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of Terra. They didn't do much fighting compared

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to other legions during the actual heresy itself

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because they were specifically taken very far

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away from the conflict in order to not get the

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biggest legion involved. And so they also were

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kind of the... the default inheritors of the

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Imperium as we know it. Even going through the

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new Ashes of the Imperium book, one of the big

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arcs of that book is about how they weren't here

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to defend Terra, and all of a sudden, they're

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the ones who are not only bringing order, but

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they're bringing food supplies and rations and

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water and infrastructure. And it's like, yeah,

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these guys aren't just soldiers. They're diplomats.

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They are... They are senators and politicians.

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They are administrators. They do the whole nine

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yards in that regard. And so they're very, even

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though it's not the most like exciting or the

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sexiest thing to be like, I'm really good at

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admin. It's like, yeah, but it is important.

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We do need accountants and other things like

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that. But during the - I have a - We'll go for

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it. I'll say, Andy, do you recall, because this

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is a part of people, if they look at like box

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art and current things at the moment, they might

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obviously see like, you know, like particularly

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sergeants as well. They have red helmets as well,

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but I don't know if you want to specifically

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tell, because this is actually a piece of like,

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it's actually heresy law, how this originates

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into what would be then copied into other legionaries,

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like, or what was when they were legions into

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chapters as well, because it's not, it's technically

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current law, but do you remember the story of

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why, because in the originally as a legion. They

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didn't have like different colored like helms

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necessarily in other sort of formations, particularly

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what would be like a chapter formation later.

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It was no obvious saying like, you know, sergeants

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have different colored helmets or anything like

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that. Do you remember the story of how the ultramarines

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got the red helmet, the iconic sergeant one?

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weirdly enough there is a thing in common with

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the ultramarines and night lords in that for

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a while they used uh red markings on different

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parts of their armor as like a kind of a form

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of censure so while cevatarian had red gauntlets

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which was like your death marked your life belongs

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to the primarch um With the original Ultramarines

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Legion, if you had red on your helmet, it was

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a mark of censure that you were going to be,

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you know, answering for a crime or some such.

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And there was a sergeant called Eonid Teal, and

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he was like, hey, we've conquered the known galaxy.

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We're all good about, like, you know, preparing

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for the unexpected. We like to make, like, thought

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games about what might happen in the future.

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And they have that whole thing of, what's it,

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something practical, theoretical practical. theoretical

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um i think i should give eli a kiss on the forehead

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practical he'll like it like okay so like it's

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that kind of you know here's your here's your

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uh here's your what would you go not supposition

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and here's the yeah yeah yeah and so a and it

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was sanctioned uh censured for basically saying

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i think we should look into fighting space marines

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because we're the only ones left like We know

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how to fight Eldar and orcs and all that, but

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we need to know how to fight space marines. Which

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is crazy that that came from an ultramarine,

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considering all the other temperaments of other

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chapters and legions in the future. It came from

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a goody boy ultramarine. And this is before the

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heresy. So they're like, that's blasphemy. We're

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going to arrest you and put you on trial for

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that. And also Field is like a bit of a weirdo,

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even for the Ultramarines, where like, if you

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look at any of his art, he has all these like

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white chalk scribblings all over his armor. And

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it's like, he's always jotting things down and

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taking notes and being like, that's a good idea.

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Let me just put it here so I don't forget. And

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he basically was the one who's like, we need

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to learn how to fight. space marines he was on

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the ship the mccraggs honor when it was infested

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by demons during the uh no no fear book i believe

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it was and he's basically in gilliman's like

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personal chambers waiting for the primark to

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cast judgment on him and then demons invade the

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ship and he starts looking at his armory and

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goes like that looks useful i'm just gonna borrow

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this and then and then he leads like a ragtag

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group of like void crewmen and mutants and like

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just just naval officers and he gives them all

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the weapons of the primarchs and they're like

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they shouldn't have what who are these guys and

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they're like yeah we've got to fight demons now

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that arrest is going to have to wait and because

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he was so instrumental in thinking outside the

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box now sergeants of the uh the chapter as it

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stands today have red helmets to mark that they

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are a sergeant as a as a reference to and there

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are other colors like my character here he's

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got a white helmet that's for veterans you do

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have um like little adornments like laurel reefs

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which are very fitting for the ultramarines but

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like ultramarines are also the most sticklers

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for the rules they are literally the most codex

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compliant chapter there is so they are very picky

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about this is where this goes and this is the

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pauldron trim you have and this is what your

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helmet color means and everyone follows suit

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from what they do and it mainly originates from

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a and a teal so yeah i have a i have a fun part

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just before we uh let colin rip which is because

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of it no because it's um again we're inspired

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by like roman republic s like s like history

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and things and the primarch robute gilliman is

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known to be a man of peace slash man who would

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uh invest in like gilliman makes empires you

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know and way to make empires is you often make

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peace with your enemy which is something he learned

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after the murder of his father, Conor Gilliman,

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who was a mortal man, which is even in the heresy

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to what is to like the modern day of, you know,

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the modern 42nd millennium of essentially Ultramarine

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and McCraggy and like law, they have the problem

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called the Illyrian quarter, which I need to

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make sure Colin is a reference to maybe the Illyrians

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who roam. I mean, it's just the same name. That's

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what I assume. It is a reference to it. It's

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a cool thing because not everyone will know that,

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but it's a reference to history in which essentially

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the Illyrians, I might be talking about my ass

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here, but the Illyrians are essentially a tribe

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in what is modern day Italy and they were rivals

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of Rome until they were eventually subsumed into

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Rome. A lot of them were Balkans too, like right

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across the sea. And essentially the Illyrian

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quarter is a problem throughout the heresy of

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the Ultramarines and even every time there's

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like a bit of like heresy that pops up during

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like the 42nd millennium or all throughout mccragg's

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history it's coming from the illyrian quarter

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because the ultramarines themselves learn like

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they make in some sense they make peace with

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their enemies and therefore it's always a problem

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for ultramarines because where other legions

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were just like you know we'd eliminate the problem

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you know annihilate the whole thing quite slightly

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clean ultramarines are more willing to talk which

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means You make peace with enemies who therefore

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keep hatred going for a long time. That's a cool

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detail about the heresy era, which is still continuing

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on. This sounds a lot like Eldar Apologia to

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me. Is that why they started with the Inari?

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We just want to be friends with the Inari. It's

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not because there's a hot lady in charge. Oh,

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I see. I see. 40k fan take. Not killing people

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at random is good. But to be fair, as we say,

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from what is the earlier 31st millennium when

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there was the rise of mccragg with gilliman to

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the 42nd millennium the ultra marines are essentially

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a bulwark against the bastion in the you know

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modern times they are marines who will appear

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in most conflicts because they are the they are

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the symbol and the reason colin will explain

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like they are a template and i'll let colin rip

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because there's a reason why the ultra marines

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are the template to so many other chapters and

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essentially even other space marines throughout

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the entire well, for Second Millennium to Horus

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Heresy. Indeed. But as with all, you know, we'll

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start with all Space Marines, right? All of them

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kind of have the same origin. If you ever talk

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about Space Marines, you kind of, you always

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go back to that point one, right? Big E in his

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lab doing some science. He had, you know, already

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made the Custodes, which they're the Custodes.

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They're kind of, you know, the top of the game

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for super soldiers, but a little too expensive

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to make that your whole army, right? That's a...

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That's a lot of points on the table, boys. Yeah,

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man, that's not constant. That shouldn't be an

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army, according to Eli. Mm -hmm, it should not

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be. Get him out of here. And, you know, he also

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had the Thunder Warriors. You know, they're stronger

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than Space Marines. They're more, you know, good

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in a fight. They're not great soldiers. You know,

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they're a little bit too much loose cannons,

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and their genes also might not be the most stable

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things on the planet. So... You know, they were

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a tool and, you know, they did their task well.

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It's time to move on, right? So he makes the

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Space Marines and the 13th Legion, of course,

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would become the Ultramarines. Although now,

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at this point, they're still the Warborn they're

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known as. Because they were taken from the kind

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of all -over terror in the Unification Wars.

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They didn't really participate in the Unification

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Wars. They were kind of cooked up at the end.

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But they were taken from realms that were very,

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like, shattered. Like, you know, raised to the

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ground. Not quite destroyed, though, you know.

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Do you wonder, this is a reference to, because

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again, I think it maybe links to someone cooking

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a bit with Roman history here, where many of

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the Roman legions essentially were formed of,

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like, I was about to say donations. That's not

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the same thing. They took in, many of their forces

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are formed of Germanic tribes slash people from

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all across the empire. to then be formed into

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Roman legions that would then go and fight in

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various places. I don't know if it's like a little

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subtle nod, do you think, Colin? Could be a reference

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to that, but it also could be the other standard

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Roman practice of you may join us or we're going

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to burn down your home and whoever's left will

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join us. Ah, that one. It could also be that

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one, the nice subtle practice of we'll be nice

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the first diplomat. And then, you know, the second

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one is going to be, you will be joining no matter

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what. So it could also be a little bit of that.

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Um, you know, so we get the war born their first,

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uh, their first major battle is, uh, they were,

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they were actually part of the great crusade

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early on, uh, because, you know, uh, you got

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to start great crusade starts with Luna, uh,

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take back the moon and they, uh, they performed

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it. They performed well there. Uh, they did.

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So they did good work and, uh, you know, their

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gene seed was noted, uh, early on, even this

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early on, to be remarkably stable and adaptable.

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It rarely goes wrong, which in comparison to

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some other legions, that's a pretty nice feature.

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There is a part of the lore where I think, because

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not everyone would have read this, but I think

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it's in a Korax book where Gilliman has a conversation

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with Korax. I don't know if it is Korax, you

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might have to correct me, Andy, but it was someone

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saying how they were worried because the gene

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seed that was implanted in their sons was not

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super stable. And then Gilliman actually answers

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back like, hey, not everyone, like sometimes

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men just simply die, even with my seed, which

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is hilarious. And even during the Horus Heresy,

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there were a couple of ultramarine traitors.

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We don't talk about that. You know, it does happen.

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But with that being said, by the standards of

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everything, it is still very stable. And a lot

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of that, at least how I've always read it, it's

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not that the gene seed wasn't stable. You were

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not quite making the cut to be a space marine.

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Because not everyone handles it. Sort of an inherent

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problem with it. Sometimes it just... It just

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doesn't take, and if it doesn't take, you're

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kind of just going to die. Shout out to our Ragnar

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Blackmane episode we did, where in the Ragnar

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Blackmane lore, there's a guy sitting at a table,

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and he just goes, and he just dies, because the

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GC doesn't take. He literally just dies at the

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table, and he just slumps over, and they just

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shush him away. Yeah. But with that, there are...

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They're stable. They're ready to go. The Warborn

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are, you know, ready to go. They take place in

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the first major battle, the Great Crusade, you

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know, that Ad Luna. So they were going from the

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start. They came out swinging. And as all the

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other legions do, the Emperor gave him a temporary

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commander while he's looking for his kids and

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sent them forth. So, yeah, they did fairly well.

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uh you know they had a even before gilman they

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had quite the uh long string of victories oh

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i was looking i was looking at that boss fight

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i was ready for it to have a sliver of health

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and then go back into cocoon mode i was really

00:22:01.890 --> 00:22:04.049
knowing that when it was like i had a distance

00:22:04.049 --> 00:22:05.970
modifier so your weapons were weak at a certain

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distance like this is really annoying i hate

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that one so much uh but there were a few a few

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quirks even this early on it was noted like they

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They quite like discipline. They quite like making

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a phalanx, the Ultramarines. And, you know, for

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the Roman stuff, you know, you had the disciplined

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Roman legions. Even before they were the Ultramarines,

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they were very much all about forming a plan,

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sticking to it. Everyone's doing their part.

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You're this part of the machine. I'm that part.

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Let's execute the battle plan. Even before we

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got, you know, Mr. Theoretical Practical. They

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were kind of already about that. A little bit

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less so. I had a fun theory slash I believe this

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is true, which is the only reason you ever have

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formations like Phalanxes and they had Stormshield

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War in the Horus Heresy is because they actually

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had enough Astartes to form it, whereas in the

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42nd millennium when they're just chapters, that

00:23:09.690 --> 00:23:12.529
formation is no longer viable anymore. Could

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be, yeah. Plus, it's a lot harder to make all

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that equipment. come the 41st millennium. And

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Gilliman was also a big fan of taking stuff from

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other legions he liked. You mentioned Korax.

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First time he saw a Moratat, where they have

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the dual -wielding pistols. He was like, those

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guys are mental. I like them. Let's put them

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in my legion. Why not? Give it a bash. Yeah.

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They were, even early on, pretty damn adaptable,

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right? There was one big hiccup known as the...

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Osiris Rebellion or Osirian Rebellion where some

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very powerful psychic xenos with some pretty

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strangely described like clock chips caused the

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up to that point the single greatest loss of

00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:04.119
space marine life and the ultramarines had to

00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:06.160
briefly pull back before they could come back

00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:10.119
with a greater force but aside from that that

00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:13.119
was you know that was more of a some teeth not

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even teething troubles this was just a unexpected

00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:20.660
massive problem out of nowhere uh this wasn't

00:24:20.660 --> 00:24:22.059
you know a flaw or anything it's just something

00:24:22.059 --> 00:24:25.079
you know win every battle uh with that though

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this did uh this did leave a bit of a mark of

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shame on them as it were because as you reading

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the horse heresy and other stuff sometimes gilliman

00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:35.440
has a hell of a temper i think a lot of them

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do because they they're like more the primarchs

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are more perpetual when they're more petulant

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sorry when they're younger because in some way

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they never like they're human but they don't

00:24:45.630 --> 00:24:47.170
grow out of it do you know what i mean they're

00:24:47.170 --> 00:24:49.049
not yeah old like they're not tempered by the

00:24:49.049 --> 00:24:51.509
wisdom such as the emperor and there's like all

00:24:51.509 --> 00:24:53.650
their emotions are like dialed to 11 there's

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even in the new masters the imperium it's like

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yeah they were never going to be great rulers

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outside of conflict because they're just they're

00:25:00.569 --> 00:25:03.329
not built like that even if they're like very

00:25:03.329 --> 00:25:07.410
adept at like whatever they specialize in there's

00:25:07.410 --> 00:25:10.250
just their their kind of soul rages so fiery

00:25:10.890 --> 00:25:13.630
that they always have bouts of, like, intense

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emotion. And it's just part of their DNA. What

00:25:16.650 --> 00:25:18.730
was the Emperor going to do to them Primarchs

00:25:18.730 --> 00:25:21.710
after the Great Crusade? He's going to give them

00:25:21.710 --> 00:25:24.009
a vineyard. I mean, we don't want to, like, because

00:25:24.009 --> 00:25:25.970
that's more of an Emperor episode, but, like,

00:25:25.970 --> 00:25:28.509
technically they were supposed to be raised on

00:25:28.509 --> 00:25:31.009
terrorists. Like, even with, that's the cool

00:25:31.009 --> 00:25:33.069
bit, like, Gilliman technically had, like, a

00:25:33.069 --> 00:25:35.630
little, like, beneath the Imperial Palace, there's,

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like, a little, it's not a monument, but they

00:25:37.910 --> 00:25:40.099
had, like, little temple areas. And there's a

00:25:40.099 --> 00:25:42.059
little one where like all the Primarchs had their

00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:43.940
own little private housing where they were going

00:25:43.940 --> 00:25:46.079
to be raised on terror. And Gilliman probably

00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.059
had one filled with lots of scrolls and lots

00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:50.700
of interesting stuff. But it's like Gilliman

00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:52.579
was, you know, they're all meant to be guided

00:25:52.579 --> 00:25:56.000
by the Emperor because they weren't. And obviously

00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:57.740
that led to all the troubles of the Horus heresy.

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And although despite Gilliman, I would say grew

00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.960
up relatively similar to what the Emperor probably

00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.519
imagined for him though. He had good parents.

00:26:07.930 --> 00:26:10.730
Yeah, mostly the Primarchs, not so much though.

00:26:12.089 --> 00:26:14.069
No, I would say like, yeah, they're pretty much,

00:26:14.109 --> 00:26:16.130
even as we get to where they are in like the,

00:26:16.170 --> 00:26:20.910
well, Great Crusade era, the Legion itself is,

00:26:20.990 --> 00:26:24.230
I think like a lot of them, without their Primarchs,

00:26:24.230 --> 00:26:26.730
they're really undisciplined in the sense of

00:26:26.730 --> 00:26:29.490
like their temperaments because they're more

00:26:29.490 --> 00:26:32.410
willing, like even I think of the Blood Angels

00:26:32.410 --> 00:26:35.130
one, they're more willing to fall to like...

00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.759
I guess, bouts of like, you know, not like rage,

00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.400
but they're willing to be more bloodthirsty,

00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:43.579
more like kind of what the Thunder Warriors were.

00:26:44.059 --> 00:26:46.220
I guess even to the Ultramarines, they needed

00:26:46.220 --> 00:26:49.160
like the temperament of their Primarch. And then,

00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.339
I mean, I don't know if you know, you guys maybe

00:26:51.339 --> 00:26:53.220
agree though, but the other ones, especially

00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:55.880
as well, maybe some of them accelerated their

00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:57.900
temperaments a lot more, but the 13th Legion

00:26:57.900 --> 00:27:00.480
were lucky enough to be like, they would acquire

00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.539
someone like Robute Gilliman, who then grew up

00:27:03.539 --> 00:27:10.720
on the crag. So where were we? We were, you know,

00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:13.059
the great crusading around. They're doing their

00:27:13.059 --> 00:27:15.259
thing. You know, some losses here and there.

00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.940
A little bit of a psychological shame on that

00:27:18.940 --> 00:27:22.539
whole Osirian -Cybird problem. Super powerful

00:27:22.539 --> 00:27:24.460
psychic Xenos kind of kicked them in the balls.

00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.039
But other than that, they're mostly good. And

00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:34.890
one day, Big E gets word that... On the planet

00:27:34.890 --> 00:27:38.630
of Ultramar. No, the realm of Makrag. The planet

00:27:38.630 --> 00:27:41.089
of Makrag in the realm of Ultramar growing. You

00:27:41.089 --> 00:27:43.130
got it. You got it in the end. We figured it

00:27:43.130 --> 00:27:48.390
out. He hears word of the son of a man named

00:27:48.390 --> 00:27:52.190
Connor who just seems to be just all around fucking

00:27:52.190 --> 00:27:55.069
phenomenal. This guy's kid is just taking names.

00:27:55.230 --> 00:27:59.809
He's doing good work. because the emperor's ego

00:27:59.809 --> 00:28:02.329
is apparently so high he hears about how some

00:28:02.329 --> 00:28:05.210
dude's kid is doing well and he's clearly like

00:28:05.210 --> 00:28:06.970
well this must be a prime arc which you know

00:28:06.970 --> 00:28:09.890
he's right but also cool your jets there bud

00:28:09.890 --> 00:28:14.569
other people can do cool things his furniture

00:28:14.569 --> 00:28:17.809
was enormous and he's like oh that's it yeah

00:28:17.809 --> 00:28:20.349
maybe yeah you just saw a picture of like the

00:28:20.349 --> 00:28:23.890
the couch from mccrack he's like that that's

00:28:23.890 --> 00:28:25.569
i know there's only one person that could have

00:28:25.569 --> 00:28:28.150
that Can I speak about my favourite Gilliman

00:28:28.150 --> 00:28:33.990
law ever? He has a room which is all the furniture

00:28:33.990 --> 00:28:37.869
is Primark sized. Which is amazing because then

00:28:37.869 --> 00:28:41.710
when normal humans go into it they look like

00:28:41.710 --> 00:28:45.670
tiny little kids. Which I love that bit of law.

00:28:45.970 --> 00:28:48.009
But yeah, Gilliman does have Primark sized furniture

00:28:48.009 --> 00:28:51.509
in his own personal holdings. I'd say that's

00:28:51.509 --> 00:28:54.420
pretty reasonable. I think Korax is the one who's

00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:57.720
surprised by it. He doesn't ever have Primarch.

00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:01.099
He hits his head on doors. He's a raven or whatever,

00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.240
but Gilliman actually has Primarch -sized rooms,

00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:08.579
which is enormous. So, amazing lore. Amazing.

00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:13.819
Thank you, Games Workshop. Yeah, so they'd also...

00:29:13.819 --> 00:29:16.460
Oh, what other thing? Much like the Romans would

00:29:16.460 --> 00:29:20.660
do, they... What is it? Whenever they conquered

00:29:20.660 --> 00:29:23.359
a world, they had no qualms about using, like,

00:29:23.380 --> 00:29:25.619
the inhabitants of that world to boost their

00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:28.759
numbers again. There was no, like, only Terrans

00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.259
or only, you know, when they find the Primarch,

00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:33.200
only from the Primarch home. They're like, nah,

00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:35.180
you want to join the Ultramarines? All right,

00:29:35.180 --> 00:29:37.400
sick. Here's some gene seed. Here's some power

00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.160
armor. Let's go. Another quite Roman thing of

00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.579
them. If you're willing to fight for the Empire,

00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:51.299
they'll have you. So. yeah uh they uh they had

00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:54.160
refused any glories and you know awards ever

00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:57.980
since that osiris rebellion thing but they find

00:29:57.980 --> 00:30:01.900
gilliman good news freak warp storm blows everyone

00:30:01.900 --> 00:30:05.339
off course for five years which it's i always

00:30:05.339 --> 00:30:07.960
i that that i find so funny it's like he's right

00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.119
there we know where he is he's right there we

00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.460
just can't reach him uh but you know it only

00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:19.250
lasts for five years which uh Isn't even, you

00:30:19.250 --> 00:30:21.069
know, that's not all too long to begin with.

00:30:21.150 --> 00:30:24.309
And 40K timescales, five years is a rounding

00:30:24.309 --> 00:30:27.950
error. Don't even worry about it. And eventually

00:30:27.950 --> 00:30:30.789
they find good old Gilliman, who this isn't,

00:30:30.789 --> 00:30:32.750
you know, it's not his episode, but you kind

00:30:32.750 --> 00:30:34.390
of have to talk about their Primarch when you

00:30:34.390 --> 00:30:36.269
bring them space Marines, especially a Legion.

00:30:36.950 --> 00:30:39.230
So Gilliman had landed on the planet of Macrog.

00:30:39.410 --> 00:30:41.269
It wasn't the best place in the world, but it

00:30:41.269 --> 00:30:43.089
was pretty good, especially compared to a lot

00:30:43.089 --> 00:30:46.410
of places in the Age of Strife. It had other

00:30:46.410 --> 00:30:48.630
worlds in its system it was able to keep in contact

00:30:48.630 --> 00:30:52.210
with. They actually had some, at least, it doesn't

00:30:52.210 --> 00:30:55.309
say it explicitly, but the way they're described

00:30:55.309 --> 00:30:59.490
is like little short burst jump like FTL ships

00:30:59.490 --> 00:31:01.710
they kind of have, which makes me think of like

00:31:01.710 --> 00:31:03.509
the Tau FTL, where it's just kind of skimming

00:31:03.509 --> 00:31:07.089
the warp, so it's still okay to use. It's very

00:31:07.089 --> 00:31:10.910
slow compared to other warp travel, but you can

00:31:10.910 --> 00:31:13.579
use it in a pinch in a warp storm. So Macrog

00:31:13.579 --> 00:31:16.839
was able to, its industry, its society, relatively

00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:20.119
intact, made it through all the Age of Strife,

00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:23.359
as did some of the worlds around it. No doubt

00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:25.359
helped with morale as well, knowing they weren't

00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.480
completely alone in the universe. So maybe landed

00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.380
on a pretty all right planet. Mostly ruled by

00:31:32.380 --> 00:31:36.720
the ruling government of Macrog. With the exception,

00:31:36.900 --> 00:31:40.460
of course, Hal, there's those Illyrians in one

00:31:40.460 --> 00:31:43.190
of the northern regions of Ultramar. Still a

00:31:43.190 --> 00:31:47.269
pesky problem. This is where Gilliman lands.

00:31:48.950 --> 00:31:52.170
He's found and adopted by Connor Gilliman and

00:31:52.170 --> 00:31:57.089
also raised by Gillimam Tarashayutan. Was she

00:31:57.089 --> 00:31:59.589
as well? Because this is a detail I wasn't sure

00:31:59.589 --> 00:32:03.710
of. Is she actually Konal's wife or was she almost

00:32:03.710 --> 00:32:06.609
like his, you know, in the term of nobility,

00:32:06.710 --> 00:32:08.430
like a mistress or something? I don't remember

00:32:08.430 --> 00:32:11.289
if she's actually his wife. Like Seneschal? Like

00:32:11.289 --> 00:32:14.210
she's like... kind of an underling, but the way

00:32:14.210 --> 00:32:16.910
I've always understood it, like they're not married,

00:32:17.009 --> 00:32:19.089
but they both like raise them as like, you know,

00:32:19.089 --> 00:32:22.130
here's mom, here's dad. And she's a bit younger

00:32:22.130 --> 00:32:27.410
than him. Yeah. Yeah. But yes, we have, we have

00:32:27.410 --> 00:32:30.430
the Primark with the, with the, the nuclear family.

00:32:31.609 --> 00:32:34.950
Good for him. Connor, you know, and Tarasha,

00:32:35.029 --> 00:32:37.910
they both do all they can to impart the wisdom,

00:32:37.950 --> 00:32:39.930
you know, how to be a good person, how to be.

00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:44.240
good ruler, efficient, all this stuff. And Gilliman

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.579
takes to it quite well, as most of the Primarchs

00:32:46.579 --> 00:32:49.500
do with whatever their homeworld's shtick is.

00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:53.279
Gilliman, at one point, is sent off to go deal

00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.539
with those Danalirians, which he managed to do

00:32:55.539 --> 00:32:58.880
fairly peacefully. He brings things, it's a campaign,

00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.900
but he does bring them into compliance without

00:33:01.900 --> 00:33:06.200
unmaking them. Good for him. When he comes back

00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:11.069
home... uh mcrog's a little bit on fire uh at

00:33:11.069 --> 00:33:14.009
this point it was the roman republic uh led by

00:33:14.009 --> 00:33:17.369
two consuls and of course the senate connor was

00:33:17.369 --> 00:33:22.130
one of the consuls another felony was a oh god

00:33:22.130 --> 00:33:24.509
and someone chime in i can't believe i'm forgetting

00:33:24.509 --> 00:33:27.509
his name is it gallon no not gallon oh galen

00:33:27.509 --> 00:33:33.450
maybe galen is the name escaping me but he's

00:33:33.450 --> 00:33:36.759
essentially the equal to what is he's yeah it's

00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:39.119
you know these have um these have like two caesars

00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.700
didn't they in yeah they had you know two consoles

00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:44.799
one for military one for you know domestic uh

00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:48.839
it's kind of that's what this is uh the the other

00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:52.519
one decided that uh connor was trying to make

00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.519
ultramar crog a lot more like meritocratic like

00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.700
earn your place don't just you know inherit noble

00:33:58.700 --> 00:34:03.210
titles and uh coast for the rest of time He was

00:34:03.210 --> 00:34:05.029
trying to get, he was trying to make things a

00:34:05.029 --> 00:34:07.609
lot more, you know, fair play. The other guy

00:34:07.609 --> 00:34:10.210
was not a fan of that. So we had him killed.

00:34:10.349 --> 00:34:12.409
And when Gilman comes back, he makes it just

00:34:12.409 --> 00:34:18.230
in time to see his dad die in his arms. Gilman

00:34:18.230 --> 00:34:22.409
though, he had been raised well. So he does not,

00:34:22.449 --> 00:34:25.769
he defers their fate, you know, Connor and any

00:34:25.769 --> 00:34:29.230
traitors allies to the Senate. He is not going

00:34:29.230 --> 00:34:31.150
to be a tyrant. He's going to do this by the

00:34:31.150 --> 00:34:35.050
books. Because otherwise, the other option to

00:34:35.050 --> 00:34:37.489
him is anarchy. So he's going to do this effectively,

00:34:37.690 --> 00:34:41.269
efficiently, as it is by the books. And Connor,

00:34:41.449 --> 00:34:43.989
the other guy, is still executed. The Senate

00:34:43.989 --> 00:34:48.929
still, you know, chucks him off a cliff. And

00:34:48.929 --> 00:34:52.250
he goes to work putting his father's dream into

00:34:52.250 --> 00:34:56.769
place and makes Macrog just a little jewel of

00:34:56.769 --> 00:35:00.239
the Eastern galaxy. And even starts beginning

00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.579
more and more worlds are being annexed into it

00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:05.920
as the warp storms are passing a bit. I had a

00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.000
question here, which is, is this where the 500

00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.780
worlds in McCrack is established? Or is this

00:35:10.780 --> 00:35:14.559
they are rebuilding to the level of the 500 worlds

00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.019
that were once unified before? This is where

00:35:17.019 --> 00:35:19.900
they're establishing. Yeah. So they're getting

00:35:19.900 --> 00:35:23.500
up to that 500 worlds. Gilman's on his way to

00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:25.880
doing it once the Emperor shows up, which sure

00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.739
enough, Big E shows up. Gilman. It's a nice,

00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:31.539
short, little, pleasant affair. And he joins

00:35:31.539 --> 00:35:35.159
the Imperium, takes command of the Warborn, renames

00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:39.239
them to the Ultramarines, of course. And Ultramar

00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.500
is established. We get to that 500 worlds. And

00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:46.599
it's time to Great Crusade some more. And it

00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:50.300
should be noted that I imagine a big part of

00:35:50.300 --> 00:35:54.300
the reason why the Ultramarines become the largest

00:35:54.300 --> 00:35:57.769
space marine chapter. most generally well -equipped,

00:35:57.869 --> 00:36:00.650
even when they take heavy losses, is because

00:36:00.650 --> 00:36:03.309
Gilliman can throw 500 planets worth of industry

00:36:03.309 --> 00:36:06.570
behind their back. There's a cool detail I like,

00:36:06.710 --> 00:36:09.750
which I don't... Again, maybe not everyone knows,

00:36:09.849 --> 00:36:13.289
which is because Gilliman had actual parents,

00:36:13.590 --> 00:36:17.170
he doesn't really consider the Emperor like his

00:36:17.170 --> 00:36:22.170
father. He's not... He may have been your father,

00:36:22.309 --> 00:36:25.590
but I'm your dad. Konor was all... Connor or

00:36:25.590 --> 00:36:27.090
Connor? I can't remember the pronunciation. I

00:36:27.090 --> 00:36:29.630
say Connor, but it's pretty good. Connor said,

00:36:29.710 --> 00:36:33.909
I'm Mary Poppins, y 'all. He considered Connor

00:36:33.909 --> 00:36:38.829
his actual father, and even when he wants to

00:36:38.829 --> 00:36:42.050
reflect on things, he has a little bust in marble

00:36:42.050 --> 00:36:45.570
of Connor's face, and he often speaks to it as

00:36:45.570 --> 00:36:48.090
seeking... He doesn't think of the emperor as

00:36:48.090 --> 00:36:50.570
like, oh, what lessons do I learn from you? The

00:36:50.570 --> 00:36:53.730
emperor is his commander, his emperor, actual

00:36:53.730 --> 00:36:56.809
emperor, not just like... dad. It's complicated

00:36:56.809 --> 00:36:58.389
to get them in, but he's lucky enough to be praised

00:36:58.389 --> 00:37:01.630
by actual people, so he's a bit more normal.

00:37:02.110 --> 00:37:05.670
Good for him. And with this, the Ultramarines

00:37:05.670 --> 00:37:08.409
are let loose once more. Well, as the Ultramarines,

00:37:08.409 --> 00:37:11.210
they're now let loose for the first time. They

00:37:11.210 --> 00:37:15.369
had a another Roman thing, right? You know, the

00:37:15.369 --> 00:37:19.809
Romans in some ways, legions were soldiers second,

00:37:19.949 --> 00:37:22.429
engineers first. The roads followed them wherever

00:37:22.429 --> 00:37:24.929
they lay. various, you know, towns and stuff

00:37:24.929 --> 00:37:27.250
would crop up. Plenty of towns, I believe, I

00:37:27.250 --> 00:37:30.170
mean, London, one of them starts as a Roman fort,

00:37:30.269 --> 00:37:34.070
turns into a city. Sure enough, wherever the

00:37:34.070 --> 00:37:36.710
ultramarines go, they make sure to leave the

00:37:36.710 --> 00:37:40.070
world in, at least theoretically, a better place

00:37:40.070 --> 00:37:42.829
than they found it, even if they had to tear

00:37:42.829 --> 00:37:45.449
it down. And again, they're able to do this at

00:37:45.449 --> 00:37:48.510
speed while still bringing more worlds into compliance

00:37:48.510 --> 00:37:54.260
than anyone else, because they're using like

00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:56.519
they're being smart brains yeah they're brains

00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.800
like they're being smart with it we have we have

00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.099
an entire realm of industry to pump into this

00:38:02.099 --> 00:38:04.300
world we are going to give you one hell of a

00:38:04.300 --> 00:38:07.039
stimulus check and then all the taxes will be

00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.039
paid nice and on time you can join the imperium

00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:12.880
it'll be good for you and then they move on to

00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:16.219
the next one which uh and because again they're

00:38:16.219 --> 00:38:18.360
good administrators they don't need to leave

00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.440
the space marines in charge like uh mentioning

00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:24.070
some uh word bearers who sit on the planet for

00:38:24.070 --> 00:38:26.909
forever and preach. The Ultramarines are like,

00:38:26.969 --> 00:38:31.250
hey, this... The Ultramarines are like, hey,

00:38:31.289 --> 00:38:33.690
you were in charge of the world before. You seem

00:38:33.690 --> 00:38:36.210
to have done a good job. Here's how we want you

00:38:36.210 --> 00:38:39.710
to do things. Have at it. Or alternatively...

00:38:39.710 --> 00:38:43.909
Whereas the Night Lords are like, oh, I made

00:38:43.909 --> 00:38:49.090
a meat puppet. Lol. Yeah, thanks. That doesn't

00:38:49.090 --> 00:38:51.610
help me to rule in a government. Thanks, I guess.

00:38:53.210 --> 00:38:55.730
So yeah, the Ultramarines do that across the

00:38:55.730 --> 00:38:58.750
galaxy. And like I said, they had the greatest

00:38:58.750 --> 00:39:02.210
number of compliances than any other Legion through

00:39:02.210 --> 00:39:06.110
both diplomacy and warfare. They could do the

00:39:06.110 --> 00:39:10.650
carrot and the stick equally well. No doubt helping

00:39:10.650 --> 00:39:15.289
this, Gilliman, as y 'all have said, more than

00:39:15.289 --> 00:39:18.309
happy to take ideas from other Legions, and the

00:39:18.309 --> 00:39:20.630
Ultramarines are more than happy to incorporate

00:39:20.630 --> 00:39:23.829
them. Maybe they're not going to be as good as

00:39:23.829 --> 00:39:25.710
stealth at the Raven guard, right? That's, that's

00:39:25.710 --> 00:39:28.429
their whole thing. But you know, the ultra Marines

00:39:28.429 --> 00:39:31.469
aren't going to go as stupid. That's dishonest.

00:39:31.510 --> 00:39:34.710
That's dumb. That's lame. Okay. We will try and

00:39:34.710 --> 00:39:36.989
adapt that as need be. We're not going to specialize

00:39:36.989 --> 00:39:40.110
in it, but it's another tool in our arsenal that

00:39:40.110 --> 00:39:43.329
they don't make their tactics, their personality,

00:39:43.369 --> 00:39:46.389
basically like a whole lot of the other legions

00:39:46.389 --> 00:39:51.159
do. I think that's more because each weapon,

00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.460
each tactic is a tool to achieve victory rather

00:39:54.460 --> 00:39:57.460
than this is, you know, like the Space Wars.

00:39:57.519 --> 00:39:59.579
We all go in and fight headstrong because we're

00:39:59.579 --> 00:40:01.659
trying to create a great story, you know, create

00:40:01.659 --> 00:40:05.039
our song. The Ultramans are like, the victory

00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.739
is more important, you know what I mean, than

00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:09.679
the actual way we, you know, they're not willing

00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.559
to like hurt civilians necessarily, but they're

00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:16.070
very much like, you know, it's impractical. As

00:40:16.070 --> 00:40:17.829
you know, theoretical and practical is often

00:40:17.829 --> 00:40:21.110
their catchphrase. It's their little shtick.

00:40:21.289 --> 00:40:24.690
Yeah, that's what it is. They're being reasonable

00:40:24.690 --> 00:40:27.489
with conquering the galaxy. They will do whatever

00:40:27.489 --> 00:40:29.329
they need to at the moment. Does that call for

00:40:29.329 --> 00:40:31.969
stealth? Does that call for the big old phalanx

00:40:31.969 --> 00:40:36.769
shield wall? Diplomacy? Either way, we're doing

00:40:36.769 --> 00:40:40.090
it. That jump to midair also looked incredibly

00:40:40.090 --> 00:40:46.719
cool. Yeah, amazing game. Hell yeah. So Gilliman,

00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.260
they take revenge on those Assyrian cybirds,

00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:55.079
brids, birds, one of those. Thank you, dyslexia.

00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.139
I'm not dyslexic. You're fine, man. I'm just

00:40:58.139 --> 00:41:04.199
dumb. That's all right. Thanks. They bring themselves

00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.219
back to being on top again. They'll receive their

00:41:07.219 --> 00:41:12.199
honors again. The shame has been erased. They're

00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:16.739
doing great. There's some flaws. It's not perfectly

00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:22.420
squeaky clean. Nusaria was a world they had some

00:41:22.420 --> 00:41:25.400
influence over. They did not make Nusaria a nice

00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:30.139
planet. They made the taxes efficient. They didn't

00:41:30.139 --> 00:41:36.199
really make it not shit. Spread too thin, I think,

00:41:36.219 --> 00:41:39.000
in the end. That could be, well, you know, if

00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:44.179
you'd like my cope. Or, as I say, just the truth.

00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.780
They only had so much time. Big E's pushing them,

00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:49.760
even with all the Ultramar, you know, the realm

00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.780
behind them, the 500 worlds. Big E always needs

00:41:52.780 --> 00:41:55.860
more. So perhaps some worlds did not have the

00:41:55.860 --> 00:42:01.840
time to get the attention they needed. But overall,

00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:05.820
they're doing good work across the galaxy. Taxes

00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:07.440
are running on time. Everything, all that stuff's

00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.239
doing well. They also get themselves a little...

00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:15.239
dog but they they also get themselves a little

00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.960
bit of a boost from uh the legions which shall

00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:21.820
not be named uh as them and then i believe the

00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:25.139
imperial fists very likely had some of the legionnaires

00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:28.500
left over from whatever happened with that just

00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:30.920
taken into their legion uh no sense throwing

00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:32.460
the baby out with the bath water and all that

00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:35.420
right so the ultramarines get a boost from that

00:42:35.420 --> 00:42:38.340
and come the ringed and xenocides they don't

00:42:38.340 --> 00:42:41.010
participate but the dark angels do And when the

00:42:41.010 --> 00:42:43.650
Dark Angels get whomped, now the Ultramarines

00:42:43.650 --> 00:42:49.429
are the largest legion by quite a bit. So things

00:42:49.429 --> 00:42:53.809
are coming up Ultramarine. They do spend a lot

00:42:53.809 --> 00:42:56.210
of time, by the way, practicing, simulating fights,

00:42:56.369 --> 00:42:59.989
even this early on. Shout out to the planet of

00:42:59.989 --> 00:43:02.750
Prondium, which was a nice garden world until

00:43:02.750 --> 00:43:04.750
the Ultramarines decided to host war games on

00:43:04.750 --> 00:43:08.650
it. Then it was kind of a dump after they played

00:43:08.650 --> 00:43:11.719
war games on it. But they repaired it. They're

00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:13.840
spending even their off time making sure they're

00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.500
the best soldiers. Like you said, Hal, it's about

00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:17.639
winning the war. You've got to practice to make

00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.159
sure, you know, be ready for any situation. And

00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.139
Gilman performs his duties without much question.

00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:26.940
He might have some private doubts every now and

00:43:26.940 --> 00:43:30.320
again. But he's doing what he feels he has to,

00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:36.699
or at least needs to. And... I'm guessing this

00:43:36.699 --> 00:43:39.500
is when it's all about to go downhill. It might

00:43:39.500 --> 00:43:42.079
be all about to go very downhill here, but right

00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:46.179
before it begins going downhill, right at the

00:43:46.179 --> 00:43:49.960
peak, that damn Lorgar, he's being way too damn

00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:54.019
slow. Really got to stop calling me a god. The

00:43:54.019 --> 00:43:58.039
Lorgar, he's not making... I'm not saying he's

00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.639
wrong, but you got to stop saying the quiet part

00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.619
out loud, Lorgar. This is not the time for such

00:44:03.619 --> 00:44:07.650
ideology. So after, you know, a hundred odd years

00:44:07.650 --> 00:44:10.730
of the Emperor saying, stop that, stop that,

00:44:10.849 --> 00:44:16.090
stop that. He's now done saying, stop that. So

00:44:16.090 --> 00:44:19.309
he calls on Malkador, Gilman, and the Ultramarines

00:44:19.309 --> 00:44:23.989
to burn Monarchia to the ground. Lorgar's greatest

00:44:23.989 --> 00:44:29.570
little city. Which they do. I will give the Ultramarines

00:44:29.570 --> 00:44:34.059
some credit. They do evacuate the city. For anyone

00:44:34.059 --> 00:44:40.480
willing to leave. Generational fumble. Can I

00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.380
point out a slight bit of what people might not

00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:47.559
think is probably very consistent with our Ultramarine

00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.340
boys, because in that book, First Heretic, when

00:44:50.340 --> 00:44:52.579
they evacuate the city because the Emperor is

00:44:52.579 --> 00:44:56.840
like, oh, it's basically the cathedral city to

00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.480
my worship. I hate it. Some people do throw a

00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.920
couple of things at the ultramarines, and a few

00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.179
of them just start blasting. So there's a few

00:45:06.179 --> 00:45:09.719
casualties. Unless we said they're the good boys

00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:12.980
so far. They are space marines. Don't test them.

00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.960
The good boys of the Imperium. Yeah. Gilliman

00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:20.860
does this again without hesitation. He follows

00:45:20.860 --> 00:45:24.440
the Emperor's orders, but with some other officers

00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:26.480
in his legion, he kind of privately confides

00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:28.670
in them, like, I don't... I don't think that

00:45:28.670 --> 00:45:30.929
was the right thing to do. I do not feel good

00:45:30.929 --> 00:45:38.550
about this entire affair. Uh, which boy, is that

00:45:38.550 --> 00:45:41.610
prophetic? Yeah. So, you know, the horse heresy

00:45:41.610 --> 00:45:43.590
begins Gilman for, you know, the early on, he's

00:45:43.590 --> 00:45:46.730
not too involved. Uh, he's not even too aware

00:45:46.730 --> 00:45:48.969
of it. Uh, he's busy still great crusading around

00:45:48.969 --> 00:45:51.230
a little bit and making sure the empire is going

00:45:51.230 --> 00:45:54.079
well. He's the greatest paradox game player of

00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.800
all time. He has Stellaris, but in real life

00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:01.099
to be worrying about. So, and one day, you know,

00:46:01.099 --> 00:46:03.260
he's like, he's finally like, I should really,

00:46:03.260 --> 00:46:04.920
I should really do something about that whole

00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.400
monarchy thing. I feel, I feel bad. Let's, let's

00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.159
start with a small little sign of trust. He invites

00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:15.099
Lorgar to go on a campaign where they'll, well,

00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:16.559
they'll kill some orcs together, right? What

00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:18.780
better brotherly bonding for a Primarch is there

00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:20.760
than murdering some orcs, right? Come on now,

00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:25.320
that's just class. Lorgar is Lorgar. They are

00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.519
well in the chaos Kool -Aid by this point. And

00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.280
Gilliman, in his sign of trust, trying to be

00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.639
a cool dude, perfectly sets things up so the

00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:39.000
word bearers are so intermingled with the Ultramarines.

00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:41.460
This is going to be the ultimate brotherly, like,

00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:43.659
you know, let's all feel good again. We can try

00:46:43.659 --> 00:46:47.320
working together. And then Kalth, Lorgar, and

00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:51.179
the word bearers just start firing into the ultramarine.

00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.199
As the amazing comment someone said before on

00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.539
a previous episode, Kalth was an act of self

00:46:56.539 --> 00:46:59.019
-defense. That's right. That's right, it was.

00:46:59.739 --> 00:47:02.719
Amazing comment. I don't buy a thing for the

00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:04.480
chat and everyone listening. Could you please

00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.460
type in your best theoretical and practical whilst

00:47:07.460 --> 00:47:09.179
we're listening to this episode, or even in the

00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:11.260
comments section? Because I would just love it

00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:13.519
if people would be like, theoretical. Give him

00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:17.750
the old... dick twist theoretical kalth was an

00:47:17.750 --> 00:47:20.150
act of self -defense practical no the fuck it

00:47:20.150 --> 00:47:23.510
wasn't throws throws we should point out throws

00:47:23.510 --> 00:47:28.010
an entire ship at the the unsuspecting dock guards

00:47:28.010 --> 00:47:32.289
of kalth immediately bursting thousands of ultramarines

00:47:32.289 --> 00:47:35.510
into flames yeah and then on top of that you

00:47:35.510 --> 00:47:38.340
know there was then the lower key uh violence

00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:40.900
of an entire legion of space marines out of nowhere

00:47:40.900 --> 00:47:44.559
opening fire on another one a little rough for

00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.019
the ultramarines theoretical lorgar has betrayed

00:47:48.019 --> 00:47:54.679
me practical my sons be dead oof so um yeah follow

00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.940
-up practical i'm going to punch his skull off

00:47:57.940 --> 00:48:01.519
yes and by god did he give it a good attempt

00:48:03.150 --> 00:48:05.969
The Ultramarines and good old Aanid Thiel, as

00:48:05.969 --> 00:48:10.369
I mentioned earlier, they're very much caught

00:48:10.369 --> 00:48:13.469
off guard. But Aanid Thiel, funny enough, this

00:48:13.469 --> 00:48:15.750
was what his whole thing was about. You never

00:48:15.750 --> 00:48:18.369
know. What if we got to fight someone an awful

00:48:18.369 --> 00:48:20.230
lot like Space Marines? Well, what are they doing

00:48:20.230 --> 00:48:23.309
right now? So they rally as quick as they can.

00:48:23.469 --> 00:48:28.389
They do give back. For the situation, the Ultramarines

00:48:28.389 --> 00:48:30.690
punch back pretty hard. And with how the legions

00:48:30.690 --> 00:48:33.210
were spread out at first, They did lose a third

00:48:33.210 --> 00:48:34.909
of their Marines. I think it didn't look like

00:48:34.909 --> 00:48:38.849
it was 100 ,000 just dead Smurfs. That's brutal.

00:48:39.110 --> 00:48:42.050
Let's not pretend that. it could have been worse

00:48:42.050 --> 00:48:43.889
in the battle of the abyss they were going to

00:48:43.889 --> 00:48:46.050
use the abyss to destroy mccragg simultaneously

00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:48.750
but luckily that got stopped like that would

00:48:48.750 --> 00:48:51.469
have been that got stopped unfortunately that

00:48:51.469 --> 00:48:54.329
book wasn't stopped but you know shout out to

00:48:54.329 --> 00:48:57.130
um irrational sense who says theoretical calv

00:48:57.130 --> 00:48:59.750
was an act of self -defense practical oh my god

00:48:59.750 --> 00:49:04.230
he's punching my head off in space turns out

00:49:04.230 --> 00:49:06.110
if you're angry enough you don't need a helmet

00:49:06.110 --> 00:49:10.050
in space Theoretical, Eli loves his wife. Practical,

00:49:10.110 --> 00:49:13.889
Eli hates his wife. What is his comedy? Insane.

00:49:14.429 --> 00:49:17.610
Man loves his wife. Husband loves his wife. Crazy

00:49:17.610 --> 00:49:21.309
headline. I would say all things considered,

00:49:21.469 --> 00:49:23.630
given the circumstances, only a third of the

00:49:23.630 --> 00:49:27.610
Ultramarines dying is quite impressive. As opposed

00:49:27.610 --> 00:49:34.789
to everyone. Shadow Crusade. Indeed. So what

00:49:34.789 --> 00:49:38.199
would follow for... uh, some amount of time was

00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:41.360
two things for the Ultramarines. The Ruin Storm,

00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.400
uh, or no, that, that little, that source of

00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:45.940
the internet. Shadow Crusade first, yeah. The

00:49:45.940 --> 00:49:49.739
Shadow Crusade, which was, uh, Gilliband, Tom,

00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:52.219
and Jerry chasing around the Wordbearers and

00:49:52.219 --> 00:49:55.840
World Eaters across Ultramar while Engron and

00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:58.920
Lorgar are raising it to the ground. Uh, their

00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.860
job is not to destroy Ultramar. That'd be great

00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:03.800
if they could, but that was, uh, that's not the

00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:07.780
job. The job is to tie up Gilliman and do not

00:50:07.780 --> 00:50:12.480
let the Ultramarines anywhere near Terra. And

00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.260
isolate, I think isolate the resources of Ultramar

00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:18.760
particularly. Yeah, it's like this, this is,

00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.380
this is an empire within an empire. We do not

00:50:21.380 --> 00:50:24.820
need this mini realm joining the heresy. Keep

00:50:24.820 --> 00:50:28.980
it busy, which on that front, Lorgar and Engron

00:50:28.980 --> 00:50:32.420
do it astonishingly successfully. They keep Gilliman

00:50:32.420 --> 00:50:35.429
quite occupied. It ends with the Ruin Storm.

00:50:35.670 --> 00:50:39.670
Angron ascends to become a demon prince. Gilliman

00:50:39.670 --> 00:50:43.510
tries to 1v2 Angron and Lorgar, and it goes about

00:50:43.510 --> 00:50:47.369
as well as that sentence implies. He does whoop

00:50:47.369 --> 00:50:49.849
Lorgar, but then Angron comes in and you're like,

00:50:49.909 --> 00:50:54.090
oh no, it's the crazy guy. He has a habit of

00:50:54.090 --> 00:50:57.429
doing that. For the brilliant tactician he's

00:50:57.429 --> 00:50:59.969
supposed to be, whenever... Whenever there's

00:50:59.969 --> 00:51:02.090
a big threat, his solution seems to be to throw

00:51:02.090 --> 00:51:04.230
hands, which you can't fault him for leading

00:51:04.230 --> 00:51:08.070
from the back. And to be fair as well, he's the

00:51:08.070 --> 00:51:09.769
one who's fought the most Primarchs. I was going

00:51:09.769 --> 00:51:13.449
to say, that's a good detail, yeah. But as the

00:51:13.449 --> 00:51:17.210
lion says in his own Primarch novel, there's

00:51:17.210 --> 00:51:19.449
only one reason why Gilliman is not the best

00:51:19.449 --> 00:51:21.789
duelist of all the Primarchs. It's because Gilliman

00:51:21.789 --> 00:51:25.530
is the master of all, and yet he's the greatest

00:51:25.530 --> 00:51:27.769
of everything, and he's not the master of one

00:51:27.769 --> 00:51:30.420
thing. And the lion speaks about, like, if Gilliman

00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:32.900
had dedicated the time, he could be as good as

00:51:32.900 --> 00:51:35.860
the lion in dueling and close combat fighting.

00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.519
But because he's so good at everything else,

00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:41.500
he doesn't focus on one thing. That's not him

00:51:41.500 --> 00:51:43.519
and his legion's thing. They're like, we could

00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.440
be the best duelists ever, but then other things

00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.630
will suffer for it. I could be a Grandmaster

00:51:47.630 --> 00:51:51.250
at Tekken, but I like playing Age of Empires,

00:51:51.269 --> 00:51:56.250
damn it. I will do my RTSs. Indeed. I think the

00:51:56.250 --> 00:52:00.429
analogy I think of, he could be a kitchen knife,

00:52:00.610 --> 00:52:03.210
but he's a Swiss Army knife. It's not the best

00:52:03.210 --> 00:52:05.969
kitchen knife. It's a good kitchen knife, though.

00:52:06.090 --> 00:52:08.550
Yeah, it's all right. All right, settle down.

00:52:08.690 --> 00:52:10.829
I think it's the best kitchen knife. All right,

00:52:10.849 --> 00:52:14.150
keep it in your pants. Nope, it's coming out.

00:52:14.489 --> 00:52:16.730
It's coming out. He's going to get his cock out.

00:52:16.750 --> 00:52:20.989
He's going to get his cock out. So it's rough

00:52:20.989 --> 00:52:23.590
for the Ultramarines and Ultramar. I mean, I

00:52:23.590 --> 00:52:25.829
think they burned down 100 worlds, which if my

00:52:25.829 --> 00:52:28.210
math is correct, that's a fifth of Ultramar just

00:52:28.210 --> 00:52:31.050
raised, right? It's going to put a dent in the

00:52:31.050 --> 00:52:35.409
GDP. It culminates in the Ruin Storm being created,

00:52:36.010 --> 00:52:38.590
Ultramar being cut off from the rest of the galaxy.

00:52:39.389 --> 00:52:41.289
The Blood Angels and Dark Angels are here now.

00:52:41.329 --> 00:52:44.800
That's something. That's something good. So I'm

00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.320
not good. Conrad Kurz is here, too. And that

00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.820
Illyria region, never quite fully bought in.

00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.500
So part of the reason he was able to hide is

00:52:54.500 --> 00:52:56.539
he was probably doing the Batman thing, right?

00:52:56.579 --> 00:52:59.139
Where you turn around, Conrad Kurz is gone. Probably

00:52:59.139 --> 00:53:01.619
took a bit of your skin with him on the way out,

00:53:01.659 --> 00:53:05.840
and he didn't notice. He was also being sheltered,

00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.539
though, by some of the Illyrians. He was like,

00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.639
hey. You don't like Ultramar? I'm not a fan.

00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:13.460
You want to do something? So he was starting,

00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:17.139
like, rebellion and whatnot the whole time. They

00:53:17.139 --> 00:53:19.659
were hiding him, which worked fairly well until

00:53:19.659 --> 00:53:22.039
the Lion decided that Illyria would be target

00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:27.099
practice in order to burn Conrad Kurz out, which

00:53:27.099 --> 00:53:29.260
Gilman wasn't happy with, and the Ultramarines

00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:33.679
probably weren't happy with either. But Lion's

00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:38.659
gonna Lion. This all eventually culminates in

00:53:38.659 --> 00:53:40.760
both the Imperium Secundus, where Gilliman decides,

00:53:41.059 --> 00:53:43.820
I have no idea if there is an Imperium out there.

00:53:43.900 --> 00:53:46.159
I'm going to act as if there isn't and try and

00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:48.599
become a little realm of stability. Where once

00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:51.820
again, the glazing will not stop. Horace himself

00:53:51.820 --> 00:53:55.420
said, I don't know if we tried to bulldoze through

00:53:55.420 --> 00:53:57.059
all those worlds. I don't know if we could do

00:53:57.059 --> 00:54:01.139
it if we gave Gilliman time to prepare. So Gilliman

00:54:01.139 --> 00:54:04.329
is acting on the... I will say, given the circumstances,

00:54:04.369 --> 00:54:07.190
a reasonable assumption. I can't get out. I don't

00:54:07.190 --> 00:54:09.050
know if there's anything to get out to. I'm going

00:54:09.050 --> 00:54:14.150
to do what I can here. You get words, you know,

00:54:14.170 --> 00:54:16.610
through some Sanguinius psychic stuff and just

00:54:16.610 --> 00:54:19.710
other ways that there is an Imperium out there.

00:54:19.829 --> 00:54:22.030
Because after all, if Sanguinius is still fated

00:54:22.030 --> 00:54:25.070
to die on Terra, well, that means there's still

00:54:25.070 --> 00:54:30.369
a Terra. It's Kurz, isn't it? Kurz says... I

00:54:30.369 --> 00:54:33.670
think the lion. He's like, an assassin was sent

00:54:33.670 --> 00:54:35.670
by the Imperium to kill me. And he's like, wait,

00:54:35.829 --> 00:54:38.110
there's still an Imperium. If there's an assassin,

00:54:38.289 --> 00:54:40.210
there's an Imperium. Good, good, good, good.

00:54:40.849 --> 00:54:43.250
The Imperium has to be around to send assassins.

00:54:44.230 --> 00:54:47.489
So, and again, Gilman, with knowing this, he's

00:54:47.489 --> 00:54:51.679
like, all right, no more Imperium Secundus. Ultramarines,

00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:54.539
my sons, we're going to bash our heads against

00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:57.099
the fleets that Lorgar and Angron are surrounding

00:54:57.099 --> 00:54:59.619
us with, as are the Dark Angels, while the Blood

00:54:59.619 --> 00:55:03.079
Angels rush to Terra. They have that sad moment

00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:05.440
where Sanguinius asks, so when will I see you

00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:12.079
two again? Never. Rip. Rip. The Ultramarines

00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.940
spend a good amount of time trying to then break

00:55:14.940 --> 00:55:17.519
out of the blockade themselves, which they eventually

00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.849
do, which is part of why the... The duel happens

00:55:20.849 --> 00:55:24.190
as Horus finally receives news that the Smurfs

00:55:24.190 --> 00:55:26.630
are coming. Gilliman is bearing down on Terra

00:55:26.630 --> 00:55:30.269
alongside the Dangels. It's not going to be good

00:55:30.269 --> 00:55:32.409
when that happens. We should point out as well,

00:55:32.429 --> 00:55:34.869
the reason what makes the Ultramarines so dangerous

00:55:34.869 --> 00:55:37.570
and why Horus earlier stated he didn't know if

00:55:37.570 --> 00:55:40.690
he could take on Gilliman's Ultramar is because

00:55:40.690 --> 00:55:42.869
the Ultramarines, despite their massive legion,

00:55:42.869 --> 00:55:46.190
they're also willing to utilize regular human.

00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.579
like armada regiments other things so when when

00:55:49.579 --> 00:55:53.059
gilliman has an armada coming to basically hammer

00:55:53.059 --> 00:55:55.719
an anvil on horus in the siege of terror it's

00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.000
not just the ultramarines it's the ultramarines

00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.719
plus like twice that number in military like

00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.659
ultramarine military shattered legion elements

00:56:04.659 --> 00:56:07.659
yeah like all survive like like when it's like

00:56:07.659 --> 00:56:09.599
gilliman basically i think it says that he comes

00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:11.539
to the equivalent of what is like almost like

00:56:11.539 --> 00:56:14.599
a mini great crusade fleet yeah much like terror

00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:18.659
Kind of like Roman Auxiliaries kind of deal.

00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:21.019
He's not just bringing the Legion. He's bringing

00:56:21.019 --> 00:56:25.179
everything the Legion can grab together. It is

00:56:25.179 --> 00:56:27.119
going to be a fully functioning war machine.

00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:32.159
And he's quite pissed. Space Marines are incredibly

00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:36.559
deadly, but you have to remember a melter gun

00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:38.539
to the face is still a melter gun to the face.

00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:41.920
Just looking at pure stats, an Oberyn is stronger

00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.670
than a Space Marine by a fair margin. Yeah, the

00:56:44.670 --> 00:56:47.309
Space Marines are elite, and the Old Marines

00:56:47.309 --> 00:56:51.070
have numbers, so... Yeah, even with a third of

00:56:51.070 --> 00:56:52.949
them dying, they're still the largest by far.

00:56:54.010 --> 00:56:56.449
Kind of crazy that they lost the Tijitera. I'm

00:56:56.449 --> 00:56:58.889
still not buying it. I'm still not buying it.

00:56:59.070 --> 00:57:02.309
Well, the traitors. Yeah. Too busy gooning, I

00:57:02.309 --> 00:57:04.670
guess. Too busy gooning. That's more of a...

00:57:04.670 --> 00:57:07.809
That's more because the Emperor defeats Horus,

00:57:07.809 --> 00:57:10.969
not... like and even because they said like the

00:57:10.969 --> 00:57:13.329
um this is getting on its own episode to be fair

00:57:13.329 --> 00:57:15.610
but as in it's more of like there are so many

00:57:15.610 --> 00:57:19.269
minute factors like like minute decisions that

00:57:19.269 --> 00:57:22.250
lead to the trade like the loyalists just squeaking

00:57:22.250 --> 00:57:26.030
out a lyric victory it's so close that and you

00:57:26.030 --> 00:57:28.150
know half the trader legions were full -on insane

00:57:28.150 --> 00:57:29.989
by this point so it's like world leaders can

00:57:29.989 --> 00:57:32.590
you help oh you're you're blending just you're

00:57:32.590 --> 00:57:35.079
three miles away Horus in his delusional state

00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:36.840
is like, I wish I had other Primarchs. These

00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:38.519
ones are useless. They won't do anything I tell

00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:41.699
them. They're squabbling. They're squabbling.

00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:46.159
Right there. Except for Perturabo. He then abused.

00:57:47.260 --> 00:57:49.940
Then Perturabo left because he's like, I'm not

00:57:49.940 --> 00:57:52.719
happy here. This entire thing sucks. I'm going

00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:59.139
home. Like that Zangor was going home. I think

00:57:59.139 --> 00:58:02.489
I just got rocked in. So we know, you know, he

00:58:02.489 --> 00:58:04.130
doesn't partake in the Siege of Terra. He does

00:58:04.130 --> 00:58:06.389
get there. It's time for politicking with Primarchs.

00:58:06.630 --> 00:58:09.329
And this culminates in the Ultramarines, well,

00:58:09.369 --> 00:58:13.949
Gillivan, writing the Codex Astartes, where he

00:58:13.949 --> 00:58:16.309
makes it apply to his own chapter, the Legion.

00:58:16.469 --> 00:58:19.010
He's not a total hypocrite with this, total hypocrite.

00:58:20.650 --> 00:58:22.469
I don't want there to be, there should never

00:58:22.469 --> 00:58:25.449
be a Horus heresy ever again. Yes, it's nice

00:58:25.449 --> 00:58:27.980
to have a Legion beat stick. But the traitor

00:58:27.980 --> 00:58:30.099
Marines are driven off. We now own most of the

00:58:30.099 --> 00:58:33.719
galaxy. We not only don't really need them as

00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:37.539
Legion forces anymore, but if there's another

00:58:37.539 --> 00:58:40.699
horror scenario, someone else goes bad. I don't

00:58:40.699 --> 00:58:43.199
want them throwing another Legion at, you know,

00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:47.719
at the Imperium. So in addition to being the

00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:49.920
big tactical book and strategic book of everything

00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:51.739
Gilliman could ever think of at the time, which

00:58:51.739 --> 00:58:54.960
was quite a few things. He demands that the legions

00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:57.380
split up. Not everyone agrees with this, but

00:58:57.380 --> 00:58:59.239
he either convinces enough of that, well, he

00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.320
convinces enough of them that they're kind of

00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.340
just outvoted, with some exceptions, although

00:59:04.340 --> 00:59:07.980
the exceptions, like the salamanders didn't really

00:59:07.980 --> 00:59:09.739
need to do much splitting into chapters because

00:59:09.739 --> 00:59:11.980
there weren't many of them left. There's some

00:59:11.980 --> 00:59:15.079
brand new kind of, I guess at the time of recording,

00:59:15.179 --> 00:59:17.559
cutting edge lore in the scouting stuff, which

00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:21.090
it kind of hints the fact that... I guess, yeah,

00:59:21.210 --> 00:59:23.889
everyone won't necessarily know this if you want

00:59:23.889 --> 00:59:26.849
to learn new stuff, which is Gilliman is kind

00:59:26.849 --> 00:59:29.449
of seeing himself as the leader of the Imperium

00:59:29.449 --> 00:59:31.409
in pseudo place of the Emperor, at least the

00:59:31.409 --> 00:59:35.630
way I mean Andy interprets it. And he doesn't

00:59:35.630 --> 00:59:38.789
trust his brothers to the extent when it even

00:59:38.789 --> 00:59:41.670
comes to the Emperor's condition and like the

00:59:41.670 --> 00:59:43.409
survival of the Emperor. He actually doesn't

00:59:43.409 --> 00:59:45.369
necessarily trust the other loyalist Primarchs

00:59:45.369 --> 00:59:49.190
to make the quote unquote right choice. So Gilliman.

00:59:49.739 --> 00:59:51.539
being a character who will, like, you know, he'll

00:59:51.539 --> 00:59:54.400
author the Codex Astartes and other things, and

00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:56.880
essentially take command of the Imperium, the

00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:58.960
other loyalist Primarchs notice this, and they

00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:00.900
basically say, like, you know, he's going to

01:00:00.900 --> 01:00:02.480
turn everyone into Ultramarines, essentially,

01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:04.519
or, you know, Ultramarines are going to turn

01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:06.099
Terra into what, you know, they're basically

01:00:06.099 --> 01:00:10.139
McCrag 2 .0 in some sense. So, I mean, I think,

01:00:10.139 --> 01:00:13.119
to be fair, it's probably true. If I may be so

01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.280
bold, I think things would be a bit better if

01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.900
he turned everything into McCrag 2 .0. McCrag

01:00:17.900 --> 01:00:20.289
is quite a nice place. But it's in the same way.

01:00:20.329 --> 01:00:25.250
It's the same problem. Horus got corrupted because

01:00:25.250 --> 01:00:28.309
he was the Warmaster. What if the Chaos Ever

01:00:28.309 --> 01:00:32.190
regained strength and targeted Gilliman because

01:00:32.190 --> 01:00:35.329
he's someone who wields so much power? Me and

01:00:35.329 --> 01:00:40.289
Andy, because we did a Lodgecast episode on the

01:00:40.289 --> 01:00:43.389
Scouring book, and we can see from that the normal

01:00:43.389 --> 01:00:46.329
civilian so much more is being handed away from...

01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.539
primarch control and as now is mostly in the

01:00:49.539 --> 01:00:52.239
hands of what essentially are imperial citizens

01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:56.079
high lords of terror and gilliman he's the one

01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:59.280
in charge baby yeah although i will say this

01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.500
and well this is part favoritism but it is also

01:01:01.500 --> 01:01:04.420
the the history thing again i find it very likely

01:01:04.420 --> 01:01:08.360
this is a another a reference to the roman dictatorships

01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:11.659
where in times of crisis they would uh lsl would

01:01:11.659 --> 01:01:14.420
become a dictator which yes it is a dictator

01:01:14.420 --> 01:01:17.750
but it's it was it was a position kind of deal

01:01:17.750 --> 01:01:19.789
yeah like it's it's not just you know how we

01:01:19.789 --> 01:01:21.510
say it where a dictator takes power it's like

01:01:21.510 --> 01:01:24.829
it's a position where cut the red tape uh you

01:01:24.829 --> 01:01:27.369
can have basically unlimited power and then when

01:01:27.369 --> 01:01:29.929
the crisis is over you you no longer the dictator

01:01:29.929 --> 01:01:33.150
you go home which to be fair more often than

01:01:33.150 --> 01:01:35.630
not that's kind of just how it went i think it

01:01:35.630 --> 01:01:38.369
was in roman was in roman history that most dictators

01:01:38.369 --> 01:01:40.889
like Pretty much all of them gave up their power.

01:01:41.050 --> 01:01:43.590
Yeah, they did. I suppose apart from Caesar,

01:01:43.769 --> 01:01:48.010
I guess. Yeah, they did. He was the one who didn't,

01:01:48.010 --> 01:01:52.469
and we made an empire. But no, I find it fairly

01:01:52.469 --> 01:01:55.610
likely it is a reference to that. Cool. So not

01:01:55.610 --> 01:01:58.750
necessarily, even if, say that's all objectively

01:01:58.750 --> 01:02:01.449
true. These and odds, Gilman could have at the

01:02:01.449 --> 01:02:03.170
end of the day, whenever he's like, okay, we

01:02:03.170 --> 01:02:06.190
can breathe. I'm going home now. Goodbye, everyone.

01:02:06.909 --> 01:02:09.059
And there is a line, I don't. I remember what

01:02:09.059 --> 01:02:10.800
it was in, but he's like, I wish I could just

01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:12.920
be a farmer. So I find it likely Gilman probably

01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:14.739
would have just gone home when he felt he could.

01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:20.199
But with that now, the Ultramarines are just

01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:24.960
one chapter out of many. Of course, Ultramar

01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:28.679
also is shrunken in size. After all, one chapter

01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:32.480
does not need 500 worlds. They are, you know,

01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.400
a lot of them are taken over by Ultramarine successor

01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.219
chapters, which at this point were Ultramarines.

01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:41.480
But Ultramar itself shrinks, if only, you know,

01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:44.440
on official documents and whatnot. The Legion

01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.619
is vastly reduced in size, though they will still

01:02:46.619 --> 01:02:48.320
work with each other, as all successor chapters

01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:52.380
no doubt do with their progenitor. And the Ultramarines

01:02:52.380 --> 01:02:56.139
set themselves up as the shining light in the

01:02:56.139 --> 01:03:01.159
dark of the Eastern Imperium, because Ultima

01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:04.420
Segmentum, you will notice, is like 70 % of the

01:03:04.420 --> 01:03:09.730
galaxy. It's pretty much like the powerhouse

01:03:09.730 --> 01:03:12.309
of the Imperium, isn't it? Even for the modern

01:03:12.309 --> 01:03:16.769
day. Macragge is one of only three worlds, the

01:03:16.769 --> 01:03:19.289
other being Terra and Mars, that is allowed to

01:03:19.289 --> 01:03:22.750
have its own rule over them. No other planet

01:03:22.750 --> 01:03:25.809
but those two can do that, and Macragge. It's

01:03:25.809 --> 01:03:28.269
a bloody shame it's so far away from Terra. That

01:03:28.269 --> 01:03:30.170
would have been useful if it was a little bit

01:03:30.170 --> 01:03:33.750
closer. Would have been useful, but Constantinople

01:03:33.750 --> 01:03:37.260
wasn't next to Rome. I guess that may be another

01:03:37.260 --> 01:03:40.019
reference as well then, isn't it? The Imperium

01:03:40.019 --> 01:03:42.480
Secundus absolutely was just the Byzantine Empire.

01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.119
Although then again, now we get the Imperium

01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:49.340
Nihilus and Sanctus, which is also the Byzantine

01:03:49.340 --> 01:03:51.880
and Western Roman Empire. It seems like Gaines

01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:54.159
Wiltshire will keep copying history, guys. It's

01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:59.579
a crazy theory there. Gilman would not be around

01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:02.320
for too much longer until he wakes up from his

01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.380
nap. He did that thing again. I'm going to go

01:04:05.380 --> 01:04:07.340
fight Fulgrim. I'm going to go beat him up. And

01:04:07.340 --> 01:04:09.300
then he gets his neck sliced open, poisoned.

01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:15.420
Easy dub. And the Ultramarines would not be the

01:04:15.420 --> 01:04:20.239
best off for this. It could be far worse. It

01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:21.940
should be noted, though, that when Gilliman wrote

01:04:21.940 --> 01:04:24.800
the Codex Astartes, the only point he said you

01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.440
have to follow is split yourselves up into chapters.

01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:30.840
Everything else, this is just a big book of tactics

01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.179
and strategy and how I think it's best to do

01:04:33.179 --> 01:04:36.260
things. You don't have to. You shouldn't do it

01:04:36.260 --> 01:04:39.599
if it doesn't make sense for the situation. Here's

01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:45.239
my notes. Well, Macrog does avoid most of the

01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:47.179
decline, at least compared to everyone else that

01:04:47.179 --> 01:04:49.280
the Imperium faces. It is a very stable realm,

01:04:49.460 --> 01:04:52.860
nice place. The Ultramarines have followed Gilman's

01:04:52.860 --> 01:04:55.159
teachings as well as they could without his presence.

01:04:56.010 --> 01:04:57.789
They keep everything running. If nothing else,

01:04:57.809 --> 01:05:00.389
they did remember that a functioning government

01:05:00.389 --> 01:05:03.849
and civilization that is in a wild, anarchic

01:05:03.849 --> 01:05:06.389
hellhole is a good thing to have, so they keep

01:05:06.389 --> 01:05:09.349
Makrok going. It is a jewel of the Imperium.

01:05:09.449 --> 01:05:12.849
Ultramar, even without 500 worlds, is still probably

01:05:12.849 --> 01:05:15.510
the strongest single subsect of the Imperium,

01:05:15.570 --> 01:05:18.269
right? Unless you're kind of cheating and saying,

01:05:18.369 --> 01:05:20.170
well, the entirety of the Adeptus Mechanicus

01:05:20.170 --> 01:05:22.349
could beat Ultramar. Yeah, okay, well, that's...

01:05:22.349 --> 01:05:27.210
I don't know if that really counts. As like a

01:05:27.210 --> 01:05:30.010
little political entity, Ultramar is still the

01:05:30.010 --> 01:05:34.750
best place to be. That being said, not immune

01:05:34.750 --> 01:05:37.329
to things going, you know, being worse than they

01:05:37.329 --> 01:05:39.909
were before. The Ultramarines in particular,

01:05:40.170 --> 01:05:44.949
a little codex goes from, you know, their dad's

01:05:44.949 --> 01:05:48.070
guidebook to their dad's really cool guidebook

01:05:48.070 --> 01:05:50.489
and he's not around anymore. Yeah, it goes to

01:05:50.489 --> 01:05:52.670
the Bible. This is the codex is right. If you

01:05:52.670 --> 01:05:54.409
are not codex compliant in all ways, we're going

01:05:54.409 --> 01:05:56.530
to hit you with a brick. It's interesting, though,

01:05:56.530 --> 01:05:58.670
because I don't think the Ultramarines, correct

01:05:58.670 --> 01:06:00.809
me if I'm wrong, they don't see the Emperor as

01:06:00.809 --> 01:06:03.369
a god, though, even when the Ecclesiarchy eventually

01:06:03.369 --> 01:06:06.590
spreads across the Imperium over the millennia.

01:06:06.889 --> 01:06:10.510
They think he's just the Emperor, the master

01:06:10.510 --> 01:06:14.469
of mankind, not Emperor, he's going to make me

01:06:14.469 --> 01:06:18.690
ascend to the holy place. Most chapters are like

01:06:18.690 --> 01:06:20.789
that. There's only a few, like the Black Templars

01:06:20.789 --> 01:06:24.090
and some other ones, who are zealous. They're

01:06:24.090 --> 01:06:28.809
the exception. But all chaplains do, right? I

01:06:28.809 --> 01:06:33.769
don't remember. It's very ambiguous in Space

01:06:33.769 --> 01:06:36.210
Marine books most of the time. They're strange.

01:06:36.210 --> 01:06:37.909
Because they're talking about heresy and stuff

01:06:37.909 --> 01:06:40.489
like this as if there is a divine right. I think

01:06:40.489 --> 01:06:42.530
they launched heresy, don't they? They even talk

01:06:42.530 --> 01:06:44.829
about heresy before when the Imperial Truth was

01:06:44.829 --> 01:06:46.590
created. They're kind of like combinations of

01:06:46.590 --> 01:06:48.869
the old iterators of the Remembrance of Order

01:06:48.869 --> 01:06:52.550
and Commissars, but for Space Marines. Some of

01:06:52.550 --> 01:06:54.710
them are extremely religious and they are like,

01:06:54.849 --> 01:06:57.909
I mean, even the Ecclesiarchy gives them their

01:06:57.909 --> 01:07:01.250
Rosario says. And so maybe a chaplain can also

01:07:01.250 --> 01:07:04.519
be like, oh, I am religious, but also... Doesn't

01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:08.059
mean I'm going to push it on my brothers. It's

01:07:08.059 --> 01:07:12.599
also like... Even when Big E was around, we have

01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:14.820
the Imperial Truth, he still called his big war

01:07:14.820 --> 01:07:18.139
the Great Crusade. There are connotations with

01:07:18.139 --> 01:07:23.179
that. Even though chapters lead Astartes in sermons.

01:07:24.460 --> 01:07:27.400
Again, I don't know what the correct interpretation

01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:30.599
of it is, but it seems somewhat... It's spiritual,

01:07:30.860 --> 01:07:33.880
but it might not necessarily be a religion kind

01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:37.579
of practice. Well, the emperor is like, some

01:07:37.579 --> 01:07:40.920
of them pray in the sense of like, you know,

01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:43.900
again, to the emperor in general. It's like very

01:07:43.900 --> 01:07:47.019
advanced. It's a kind of meditation more than

01:07:47.019 --> 01:07:49.360
anything is how I try and view it. But I also...

01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:53.039
They're warrior monks. Yeah, but monk implies...

01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:55.159
Yeah, that's another thing. That's the thing.

01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:58.179
Usually in most books, the space marines do seem

01:07:58.179 --> 01:08:00.599
quite religious. But then like every once in

01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:02.039
a while, there's like a little codex reminder.

01:08:02.260 --> 01:08:03.420
Oh, they don't actually believe in the emperor.

01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:05.539
But in most of the books they do. So it's very

01:08:05.539 --> 01:08:08.519
weird. I mean, it's it's again, why did why did

01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:11.539
the emperor want to be atheist? And then he put

01:08:11.539 --> 01:08:13.960
cathedrals on top of it. And it's like, dog,

01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:19.439
you are not giving the correct impression. You

01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:21.960
put you put jet engines on Notre Dame. All right.

01:08:22.100 --> 01:08:25.779
People are going to be religious. We should also

01:08:25.779 --> 01:08:27.460
say as well, at this point when we're getting,

01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.920
we're creeping through the millennia, the 500

01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:35.859
worlds of Ultramar was established. The sphere

01:08:35.859 --> 01:08:38.020
of influence shrinks and to the point where,

01:08:38.100 --> 01:08:40.560
I don't know what the size of Ultramar is in

01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:43.279
the 42nd or what was the 41st millennium before

01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:46.140
Gilliman again, but it was definitely not 500

01:08:46.140 --> 01:08:47.640
worlds. I feel like I've read a couple of different

01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:51.739
things. Like I'd have to, the numbers I've gotten

01:08:51.739 --> 01:08:53.979
have been anything from like eight to like 50.

01:08:55.710 --> 01:08:58.109
So one of those is definitely way smaller. But

01:08:58.109 --> 01:09:00.810
it's still, like, even within that, Ultramar

01:09:00.810 --> 01:09:04.750
is still, like... A bastion, yeah. Yeah, it's

01:09:04.750 --> 01:09:07.909
still a bastion of, you know, what was, you know,

01:09:07.909 --> 01:09:12.630
what once was and whatnot. Decent living conditions,

01:09:12.710 --> 01:09:16.189
all that nice stuff. It should be, you know...

01:09:16.189 --> 01:09:24.829
And I... Let him cook. what i'm trying to cook

01:09:24.829 --> 01:09:27.529
is like what what do i pick to start with i'm

01:09:27.529 --> 01:09:31.029
like oh yeah what's a nice starting point for

01:09:31.029 --> 01:09:32.869
like what's what are some of the things the ultra

01:09:32.869 --> 01:09:35.149
means we're doing right what weren't they doing

01:09:35.149 --> 01:09:39.970
yeah they have so many goddamn books um should

01:09:39.970 --> 01:09:42.729
we start with quake do you want to start with

01:09:42.729 --> 01:09:45.449
one more like the part where like most of us

01:09:45.449 --> 01:09:49.170
follow on from which is the um The Tyrannic War?

01:09:49.329 --> 01:09:51.770
Maybe that's a good place to start. That's kind

01:09:51.770 --> 01:09:53.909
of emblematic of how they had changed over the

01:09:53.909 --> 01:09:56.949
time. Like I said, they'd started following the

01:09:56.949 --> 01:09:59.289
Codex as a Bible. Ultramar has definitely shrunken.

01:10:00.590 --> 01:10:04.289
And... Marnie is Caligari's chapter master at

01:10:04.289 --> 01:10:07.949
this point as well. Yeah. And it should be noted

01:10:07.949 --> 01:10:10.569
that... as much as they shouldn't have been following

01:10:10.569 --> 01:10:13.109
it like a Bible, Gilman was very smart. He was

01:10:13.109 --> 01:10:15.989
very thorough. You can find answers to a lot

01:10:15.989 --> 01:10:18.250
of situations, even 10 ,000 years down the line

01:10:18.250 --> 01:10:21.890
in the codex. So, and even again, even if it's

01:10:21.890 --> 01:10:24.670
not the perfect solution, if a space Marine is

01:10:24.670 --> 01:10:26.449
running you down with not the best solution,

01:10:26.550 --> 01:10:30.479
you're probably still going to die. Even he could

01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:32.300
be doing it, you know, 10 % more efficiently.

01:10:32.340 --> 01:10:34.680
That only matters so much. Oh, well, goodbye.

01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:41.640
So like you said on mountains, that guy has floated

01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:47.439
to me. So they're still doing good work. So what's

01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:49.520
the clip of the guy? Like, like, Oh my God, it's

01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:53.119
Jesus. This reminds me of Simpsons where it's

01:10:53.119 --> 01:10:55.609
just like. I must go now. My planet needs me.

01:10:56.789 --> 01:10:59.289
Poochie's dead. On the way to his home planet.

01:11:00.909 --> 01:11:04.590
So, they're still doing alright. Oh, there's

01:11:04.590 --> 01:11:09.470
paint on my feet. Anyway. Wow. Hell of a transition

01:11:09.470 --> 01:11:12.630
there. I hope they painted the rest of that house

01:11:12.630 --> 01:11:15.310
the same color of green as your office. It is

01:11:15.310 --> 01:11:17.489
not going to be green, but I'm also not changing

01:11:17.489 --> 01:11:22.270
the green room. Wow. Remember, Chad, you have

01:11:22.270 --> 01:11:25.109
a free... It has a free green screen that you

01:11:25.109 --> 01:11:27.829
can color key any images you want on that wall.

01:11:28.029 --> 01:11:32.270
I can't stop you. But Ultramar is doing good.

01:11:32.569 --> 01:11:35.789
Ultramarines are doing good. There's some echoing

01:11:35.789 --> 01:11:38.369
off in the corners of the galaxy, even farther

01:11:38.369 --> 01:11:41.590
out than Ultramar is. Some planets seem to just

01:11:41.590 --> 01:11:44.850
be losing contact, vanishing. And eventually,

01:11:44.930 --> 01:11:47.529
from the Ultramarines' perspective, an Inquisitor

01:11:47.529 --> 01:11:50.439
comes along, a man named Cryptman. and informs

01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:52.640
them that the end times have come, because bugs

01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:54.979
from beyond the stars are here to eat everyone.

01:11:56.819 --> 01:12:01.520
Sure enough, the Tyranids have arrived, and they

01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:04.119
don't seem like they're going away anytime soon.

01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:07.140
High Fleet Behemoth crashes into the galaxy,

01:12:07.340 --> 01:12:10.420
crashes into Ultramar, which there's also a little

01:12:10.420 --> 01:12:12.960
bit of directing them towards Ultramar, because

01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:16.140
with how big Ultima Segmentum is, If they make

01:12:16.140 --> 01:12:18.439
it past Ultramar, there's, for, like, tens of

01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:21.979
thousands of light years, it's going to be very

01:12:21.979 --> 01:12:24.479
hard to form another, like, solid defensive point,

01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:27.699
right? So they wrangle him towards Ultramar,

01:12:27.819 --> 01:12:32.420
and the entire chapter marches forth on the planet

01:12:32.420 --> 01:12:35.260
of Prondium. And, viewer, I don't know if you

01:12:35.260 --> 01:12:38.779
might know this, but it is my understanding that

01:12:38.779 --> 01:12:43.890
Prondium in Latin translates to lunch. I wonder

01:12:43.890 --> 01:12:48.170
how this planet's going to fare. Sure enough,

01:12:48.250 --> 01:12:50.270
the Ultramarines crack open the big old codex,

01:12:50.270 --> 01:12:52.010
figure out what to do, implement some strategies,

01:12:52.250 --> 01:12:57.569
and it is a horrific loss. Squads of Ultramarines

01:12:57.569 --> 01:13:00.250
are surrounded and devoured. Even Marnius Kalgar,

01:13:00.369 --> 01:13:02.010
he's there himself. He doesn't come away from

01:13:02.010 --> 01:13:03.470
it great. He's going to come away from it worse

01:13:03.470 --> 01:13:08.289
pretty soon. But it is decisive Ultramarine L.

01:13:09.010 --> 01:13:12.250
They are... the planet and then itself, there's,

01:13:12.250 --> 01:13:14.010
there's nothing left of the planet. It was a,

01:13:14.010 --> 01:13:16.390
once again, a lush garden world, a fun little

01:13:16.390 --> 01:13:18.090
fact. It was also invaded by the forces of the

01:13:18.090 --> 01:13:19.970
beast for a bit, but then that was repulsed.

01:13:20.449 --> 01:13:24.170
Now it's a marble. There's nothing left, but

01:13:24.170 --> 01:13:26.590
you know, gravel, even the atmosphere is gone.

01:13:28.369 --> 01:13:32.609
So the ultra Marines, Marnius Calgar takes a,

01:13:32.710 --> 01:13:34.850
he, he goes, he basically locks himself away

01:13:34.850 --> 01:13:37.829
for a bit, has a good hard think goes. We have

01:13:37.829 --> 01:13:40.130
to get over this whole Codex thing. It's a great

01:13:40.130 --> 01:13:43.050
book. I like the book. We can't keep following

01:13:43.050 --> 01:13:45.050
it like it's the Bible. Do you think he almost

01:13:45.050 --> 01:13:50.510
heaves when he says it? We have to... Yeah. He

01:13:50.510 --> 01:13:52.529
almost heaves when he says it. We have to get...

01:13:52.529 --> 01:13:57.029
We can't follow it. Yeah, it was probably, you

01:13:57.029 --> 01:14:01.430
know, gagging. But sure enough, they do. And

01:14:01.430 --> 01:14:04.270
so they take the lessons they've learned. They

01:14:04.270 --> 01:14:07.239
change strategies up. High Fleet Behemoth comes

01:14:07.239 --> 01:14:12.520
to nothing short of Makrog itself. And Apocalypse

01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:14.619
Now. I mean, Tyranids are raining from the skies.

01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:16.619
Makrog has orbital defenses, by the way. It's

01:14:16.619 --> 01:14:18.779
not, you know, it's no Cadia. But it's got some

01:14:18.779 --> 01:14:20.699
pretty robust defenses. The Ultramarines still

01:14:20.699 --> 01:14:25.100
have quite the fleet. They had quite the fleet.

01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:27.979
They had some orbital defenses as the Tyranids

01:14:27.979 --> 01:14:31.720
bowl through them. The battle on the ground commences.

01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:36.739
Entire regions of Ultramar. There was the place,

01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:38.920
you know, where Marnius Calgar fought Cold Steel

01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:40.920
Ridge. McCracken, it's a, you know, it's like

01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:45.260
an industrial sector, right? It makes, you know,

01:14:45.300 --> 01:14:46.899
a lot of alarms for the ultramarines, for all

01:14:46.899 --> 01:14:52.500
the auxilia. It used to do that before the Tyranids

01:14:52.500 --> 01:14:55.420
just kind of meat -tided all over the entire

01:14:55.420 --> 01:14:58.319
thing. This was, again, where one of the greatest

01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:00.920
individual losses in ultramarines history was.

01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:04.279
because Marnius Calgar tried to combat the Swarmlord

01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:07.819
in 1v1, got most of his limbs ripped off for

01:15:07.819 --> 01:15:10.380
the trouble, and the only reason he made it out

01:15:10.380 --> 01:15:12.020
was because his Honor Guard essentially kept

01:15:12.020 --> 01:15:14.500
feeding themselves to the Swarmlord until they

01:15:14.500 --> 01:15:18.939
could pull him out. Sure enough, too, in the

01:15:18.939 --> 01:15:21.300
Polar Fortresses, I believe the northern one

01:15:21.300 --> 01:15:23.680
it was, the Ultramarines had a first company.

01:15:24.189 --> 01:15:26.010
By the time the fighting was over, they didn't

01:15:26.010 --> 01:15:28.449
have a first company and all of the Terminator

01:15:28.449 --> 01:15:31.210
armor that entails. There's a cool diorama out

01:15:31.210 --> 01:15:33.029
there of that. There is. Oh, it looks so cool.

01:15:34.470 --> 01:15:37.930
Nevertheless, they are able to just barely squeak

01:15:37.930 --> 01:15:39.869
through. And it should be noted, it's not even

01:15:39.869 --> 01:15:41.430
just the Ultramans at this point. They kind of

01:15:41.430 --> 01:15:43.350
did like semi -Legion because they called in

01:15:43.350 --> 01:15:45.810
some successor chapters. They called in kind

01:15:45.810 --> 01:15:48.270
of like you said, Hal, a mini Great Crusade fleet.

01:15:48.489 --> 01:15:50.590
They called up the Auxilia. They called up everything

01:15:50.590 --> 01:15:52.550
they could. There were Titan Legions prowling

01:15:52.550 --> 01:15:55.399
Macrog. Because this was all of a high fleet

01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:58.359
versus everything they could muster here. And

01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:01.319
because of that, they were just barely able to

01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:05.239
squeak out a win. What's the... Because I think

01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:08.460
they said it's the part which they most value

01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:11.220
on McCrag slash. It's usually a bad sign if any

01:16:11.220 --> 01:16:13.880
enemy gets close to this. It's usually game over.

01:16:14.060 --> 01:16:16.100
But is it the gates of Ptolemy or the library

01:16:16.100 --> 01:16:19.949
of Ptolemy? I think it's the library. Because

01:16:19.949 --> 01:16:22.710
this is like a small detail, which is again a

01:16:22.710 --> 01:16:25.189
cool thing for people who don't know Ultramarine

01:16:25.189 --> 01:16:28.550
stuff. They have this area on McCrag that's often,

01:16:28.750 --> 01:16:30.369
I think the Tyrians get close to it, don't they?

01:16:30.470 --> 01:16:33.189
In this Tyronic war. They get very close to even

01:16:33.189 --> 01:16:35.970
the Fortress Monastery of Hera, which is their...

01:16:35.970 --> 01:16:41.569
Yeah. But I believe it is in the Library of Ptolemy

01:16:41.569 --> 01:16:44.289
where Gilliman's corpse is in stasis. Yeah, that's

01:16:44.289 --> 01:16:46.609
where he's... It's the Shrine of Gilliman where

01:16:46.609 --> 01:16:48.489
he was taking a nap, which had been used as a

01:16:48.489 --> 01:16:50.270
pilgrimage site. 20 kilometers from Gilliman.

01:16:50.510 --> 01:16:52.949
He just needed 20 more kilometers, John Swarm

01:16:52.949 --> 01:16:55.829
Lord. Yeah, but there's a cool detail. I think

01:16:55.829 --> 01:16:59.220
Dante... once went to mccragg and he speaks about

01:16:59.220 --> 01:17:01.899
like you could see through the stasis capsule

01:17:01.899 --> 01:17:03.899
they keep him like frozen in time at the point

01:17:03.899 --> 01:17:05.560
of his death like you see like flecks of dried

01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:09.119
blood like in this the wound across i mean like

01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:11.500
people would say like you know 10 000 years i'm

01:17:11.500 --> 01:17:13.960
like oh yeah primark's like a myth you can go

01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:18.420
see one on the yeah yeah at this time which is

01:17:18.420 --> 01:17:21.439
incredible you could literally it was it was

01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:25.600
oh sorry every chapter master ever at one point

01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:29.840
was like like it's the only chapter in like or

01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:32.420
any successors for them as well who would actually

01:17:32.420 --> 01:17:34.460
go and see that their prime mark was a living

01:17:34.460 --> 01:17:38.270
being and not mythology so yeah not made up Calgo,

01:17:38.350 --> 01:17:41.109
I think... Tyranids eating a Primarch and then

01:17:41.109 --> 01:17:43.449
making a special Tyranid for the Primarch would

01:17:43.449 --> 01:17:46.189
be... Game over. Well, I mean, even those big

01:17:46.189 --> 01:17:49.109
tanky Tyranids with the really bulbous design

01:17:49.109 --> 01:17:51.689
and they're blind. They're based on Space Marines.

01:17:51.930 --> 01:17:54.170
Yeah, so they nommed on some Space Marines and

01:17:54.170 --> 01:17:56.369
went, these guys are bulky. We can put that in.

01:17:56.489 --> 01:18:00.310
Yeah, go for it. I say, following this assault

01:18:00.310 --> 01:18:02.909
on McCraggan, I guess, is it the First Tyrannic

01:18:02.909 --> 01:18:07.039
War? First Tyrannic War. And it was... It was

01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:12.180
bad. They won the day, but they had to call in

01:18:12.180 --> 01:18:14.180
the Blood Angels to help them get rid of the

01:18:14.180 --> 01:18:17.260
remaining Tyranids after the space battle was

01:18:17.260 --> 01:18:18.979
won. The space battle only won because they set

01:18:18.979 --> 01:18:21.840
an Emperor -class battleship to explode in the

01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:25.539
middle of the fleet. Yeah, it cost them resources

01:18:25.539 --> 01:18:27.819
that they'll never be able to get back. No, you

01:18:27.819 --> 01:18:32.920
can't make more of those. That's gone. Teretic

01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:35.699
War Aftermath. Not great. Definitely not great.

01:18:36.899 --> 01:18:40.500
Even like... Macrog itself has now been invaded

01:18:40.500 --> 01:18:43.520
and half of it is somewhere digesting in a tyranid.

01:18:44.420 --> 01:18:49.800
So that's not ideal. It took them decades to

01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:52.039
replenish their losses, which I find particularly

01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.979
insane because they have the Genesis chapter.

01:18:55.100 --> 01:18:57.359
They have an entire chapter that exists to one

01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:01.380
day be promoted to ultramarine. Even before that,

01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:04.279
I'm pretty sure it's also... true to say that

01:19:04.279 --> 01:19:07.020
the size of the emperor were like a secret company

01:19:07.020 --> 01:19:09.899
of the uh of the ultramarines in its day and

01:19:09.899 --> 01:19:12.699
there's like oh we got like a kind of extra couple

01:19:12.699 --> 01:19:14.920
of guys couple hundred guys they're just gonna

01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:18.079
be like our an 11th company when we're just putting

01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:20.920
the codex in don't worry oh we'll make them into

01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:22.899
a proper chapter then we don't have to like acknowledge

01:19:22.899 --> 01:19:24.340
that they are don't worry about it they're the

01:19:24.340 --> 01:19:29.859
size even with two backups like it took them

01:19:29.859 --> 01:19:34.289
over half a century to like properly rebuild

01:19:34.289 --> 01:19:36.630
blood angels had to do a lot of the heavy lifting

01:19:36.630 --> 01:19:40.949
in the aftermath it was bad but they did they

01:19:40.949 --> 01:19:44.750
did learn their lesson they uh broke codex compliance

01:19:44.750 --> 01:19:47.609
created the tyrannic war veterans a little special

01:19:47.609 --> 01:19:50.310
unit you can't buy those anymore uh they don't

01:19:50.310 --> 01:19:54.090
exist anymore rest in peace but uh they did they

01:19:54.090 --> 01:19:57.279
did move on they did a try and like they're like

01:19:57.279 --> 01:19:59.619
we have to adapt again we've uh we've lost sight

01:19:59.619 --> 01:20:02.460
of our ways as being you know like the space

01:20:02.460 --> 01:20:04.699
romans where you know maybe you'll get us the

01:20:04.699 --> 01:20:06.479
first time but we'll adapt to the second no we

01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:08.439
have to do that again we can't just go book says

01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:12.220
this do this uh gilman did not encounter the

01:20:12.220 --> 01:20:14.140
tyranids he didn't really have a solution for

01:20:14.140 --> 01:20:19.899
endless tide of bugs so a little rough but they're

01:20:19.899 --> 01:20:21.939
uh they're coming back on top and i did i did

01:20:21.939 --> 01:20:23.680
i did gloss over it a bit but i'm glad you did

01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:27.229
bring it up They could, like you said, they had

01:20:27.229 --> 01:20:30.310
proof that their gene father wasn't just a myth.

01:20:30.449 --> 01:20:32.449
They could see him and pray around Gilman anytime

01:20:32.449 --> 01:20:36.649
they want. And that was even one of the biggest

01:20:36.649 --> 01:20:39.010
tourist destinations, essentially, in all of

01:20:39.010 --> 01:20:41.109
the Imperium, second only to the people trying

01:20:41.109 --> 01:20:43.989
to see the Emperor at Eternity Gate and all that.

01:20:44.329 --> 01:20:48.140
Security must be crazy. Oh, I mean... I mean,

01:20:48.140 --> 01:20:50.859
it's in their fortress monastery. There's no

01:20:50.859 --> 01:20:52.479
way that, you know, you were going through all

01:20:52.479 --> 01:20:55.159
of the background checks to go see the Primarch.

01:20:57.560 --> 01:20:59.739
But, you know, rebuilding begins. They are the

01:20:59.739 --> 01:21:03.119
Ultramarines, the greatest of them all. And they're

01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:06.260
able to come back on top for a bit. Sure enough,

01:21:06.300 --> 01:21:08.920
there is also the second Tyrannic War with round

01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:11.840
two against High Fleet Kraken. But this one does

01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:15.250
overall, I would say it goes a bit better. uh

01:21:15.250 --> 01:21:17.270
also no doubt helped both you know they have

01:21:17.270 --> 01:21:19.350
those tyrannic war veterans they have experience

01:21:19.350 --> 01:21:22.170
with fighting the tyranids uh in much the same

01:21:22.170 --> 01:21:24.710
way the first time roman rome tried to build

01:21:24.710 --> 01:21:29.010
a navy it didn't go so good carthage said no

01:21:29.010 --> 01:21:33.329
i guess the the second time it all sank from

01:21:33.329 --> 01:21:36.829
a storm but that third time they they had it

01:21:36.829 --> 01:21:38.909
they had carthage's number i'm pretty sure the

01:21:38.909 --> 01:21:41.359
the second war it's like Marnius Kalgar comes

01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:43.460
in at the clutch moment right at the end with

01:21:43.460 --> 01:21:45.840
his Ultramarines. He sees the Swarmlord and he's

01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:48.779
like, rematch, bitch, and he wins. Yeah, he's

01:21:48.779 --> 01:21:51.380
learned his lesson. Because he's Marnius Kalgar.

01:21:51.539 --> 01:21:53.680
He's on top of this. And he is mostly mobile.

01:21:54.460 --> 01:21:58.279
And also, yeah. Also no doubt helping was that

01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:00.520
off to the sideline, another half of High Fleet

01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:05.779
Kraken was devouring Iandan. They had some unwitting

01:22:05.779 --> 01:22:08.439
unknown about help in the Second Tyrannic War.

01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:12.640
And we come to the modern day of the setting.

01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:14.659
This is again why I was saying I was struggling.

01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:18.699
At the end of the 41st millennium, Cato Sicarius

01:22:18.699 --> 01:22:20.560
is on like five different planets at the same

01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:24.539
time. Yeah, a lot happens in the general sense.

01:22:24.659 --> 01:22:27.800
The chapters everywhere in 999 and 41. Yeah,

01:22:27.899 --> 01:22:31.500
which a lot of people were too. But like Cato

01:22:31.500 --> 01:22:35.039
Sicarius is stunting on the Catan. The Nightbringer

01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:39.420
just beating him up. Avengers? Yeah. I think

01:22:39.420 --> 01:22:42.140
Ventress as well. Yeah, Uriel Ventress does that

01:22:42.140 --> 01:22:45.039
too. Uriel Ventress also is fighting Honsu and,

01:22:45.060 --> 01:22:46.699
you know, the Iron Warriors who also invade.

01:22:47.100 --> 01:22:53.300
He goes all over the galaxy. It is, like, all

01:22:53.300 --> 01:22:55.380
of these could be their own thing because they

01:22:55.380 --> 01:22:57.479
all have, like, quite extensive books about them.

01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:02.159
There's a cool fact that the Ultramarines don't

01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:04.819
just recruit from, like, most of the Serious

01:23:04.819 --> 01:23:08.239
Marine chapters are either They are, you know,

01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:11.180
in their ships. They're the one homeworld, whereas

01:23:11.180 --> 01:23:14.520
the Ultramarines recruit from all over Macragge.

01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:17.220
So there are people who come from the long -ruined

01:23:17.220 --> 01:23:19.340
world of Kalf. There are people who, like Kalgar,

01:23:19.420 --> 01:23:22.619
who comes from the Agriworld. I can't remember

01:23:22.619 --> 01:23:24.079
the name of his homeworld. Yeah, he comes from

01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:25.539
an Agriworld. I don't remember which one, but

01:23:25.539 --> 01:23:28.239
yeah, he does come. He's not from Macragge natively.

01:23:28.260 --> 01:23:32.119
I don't know. I think Ventress is not even from...

01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:34.050
I think Ventress is from Kalf. I think Ventress

01:23:34.050 --> 01:23:36.710
is from Kal as well. Yeah, and Kato is from an

01:23:36.710 --> 01:23:39.609
ocean. The Void Tridents is where he's from.

01:23:39.789 --> 01:23:43.750
The Void Tridents chapter is also, is it Talasar

01:23:43.750 --> 01:23:47.569
he's from? I think so, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah,

01:23:47.609 --> 01:23:50.369
so even with that, they did still keep some of

01:23:50.369 --> 01:23:52.329
their old, like the good parts of their old Legion

01:23:52.329 --> 01:23:56.470
practices where, again, they're like, hey, you're

01:23:56.470 --> 01:23:58.970
not from a crag? Who cares? Are you good? Are

01:23:58.970 --> 01:24:00.789
you good at what you do? Join the Ultramarines.

01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:04.420
And they have a long lineage of heroes now. Ventress

01:24:04.420 --> 01:24:07.859
was allowed to be recruited into the old trees

01:24:07.859 --> 01:24:11.039
because he had an ancestor who was another Ventress

01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:15.220
who was a hero of the chapter. So they do respect

01:24:15.220 --> 01:24:17.800
lineage in some sense. Older ancestor as well.

01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:20.880
Not ancestor, but predecessor as well that he

01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:22.720
meets up with. And you're like, oh, wow, they're

01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:26.500
all connected. It all connects. One big happy

01:24:26.500 --> 01:24:31.939
family. Before we move on to the return. You

01:24:31.939 --> 01:24:34.619
know, some stuff for the daily life, right? For

01:24:34.619 --> 01:24:38.300
space marines, they're not too aloof for their

01:24:38.300 --> 01:24:40.279
normal populace, right? Like, again, they have

01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:43.699
people, normal people can make a pilgrimage to

01:24:43.699 --> 01:24:46.079
a, could to see Gilliman's, you know, stasis

01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:48.720
body. So they interact with the common man every

01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:51.319
now and again. They do march, they do, you know,

01:24:51.340 --> 01:24:53.180
they do venture out into the streets of McCragg.

01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:56.439
If you go to a nice restaurant at McCragg, there's

01:24:56.439 --> 01:24:58.239
a non -zero chance if you look over at the guy

01:24:58.239 --> 01:24:59.979
at the table next to you, there's one of the

01:24:59.979 --> 01:25:02.979
emperor's angels enjoying himself a nice olive

01:25:02.979 --> 01:25:10.800
oil and wine lunch. Rub. Some nice Roman food.

01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:16.159
Like I said, very efficient. They're the master

01:25:16.159 --> 01:25:18.399
of none, which on tabletop has been very fun

01:25:18.399 --> 01:25:20.590
to see the history of that. Because sometimes

01:25:20.590 --> 01:25:22.750
the only reason to take the Ultramarines as your

01:25:22.750 --> 01:25:26.350
army was for characters. Sometimes they can outshoot

01:25:26.350 --> 01:25:28.390
the Imperial Fists and outcharge the Blood Angels,

01:25:28.609 --> 01:25:32.329
depending on the edition. It's a bit of a nightmare

01:25:32.329 --> 01:25:35.390
at the moment, to be honest, I won't lie. Victory's

01:25:35.390 --> 01:25:38.310
Guard is a... Yeah, just a nightmare. Shame on

01:25:38.310 --> 01:25:44.130
you. Shame on you to those people. But yeah,

01:25:44.189 --> 01:25:46.909
they do a little bit of everything well. They're...

01:25:49.530 --> 01:25:55.789
How could I forget? Space Marine 1. That's just

01:25:55.789 --> 01:25:58.590
another thing they do. Captain Titus goes off

01:25:58.590 --> 01:26:00.430
to save a Forge world. He has three Marines.

01:26:00.689 --> 01:26:05.050
He does it. Thank you, Ultramarines. Yeah, it's

01:26:05.050 --> 01:26:09.000
not specific to the actual... Sedonis did die

01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:11.300
at the hands of a Chaos Lord. Oh no, one guy

01:26:11.300 --> 01:26:13.880
died after the Ultramarines butchered entire

01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:19.079
Wa and Chaos space. Largely, even though we talked

01:26:19.079 --> 01:26:21.939
about how they are amazing, they are jack of

01:26:21.939 --> 01:26:26.020
all trades, in a general sense, when we get into

01:26:26.020 --> 01:26:30.920
999 M41... the status of the chapter is still

01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:33.319
a decline from what even their previous selves

01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:35.720
were just a few millennia before, let alone 10

01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:38.779
,000 years. So, well, I say it's a real special

01:26:38.779 --> 01:26:40.659
event that comes up here, which I think Colin's

01:26:40.659 --> 01:26:42.640
going to talk about, where, you know, the galaxy's

01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:45.680
going to be split in two. And the chapter's going

01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:48.020
to change a lot. I would, really quick though,

01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:49.560
since you mentioned that, I say, I think the

01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:52.680
thing that showcases their decline the most is

01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:57.039
the Tau Empire's existence. Because this is...

01:26:57.180 --> 01:27:00.420
This is like the jewel of the Imperium, right?

01:27:00.500 --> 01:27:02.539
This is the most prosperous industrial realm

01:27:02.539 --> 01:27:04.300
where they've lost the least amount of stuff.

01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:08.920
They can't stop a species of cavemen from forming

01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:14.699
a giant empire on their doorstep. So even the

01:27:14.699 --> 01:27:16.500
Ultramines were doing good, but even they've

01:27:16.500 --> 01:27:18.260
fallen far enough that they couldn't stop that

01:27:18.260 --> 01:27:21.779
from just happening. barbarians at the gates,

01:27:21.819 --> 01:27:23.840
as it were. And barbarians at the gates is a

01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:25.619
problem because it means they've gotten past

01:27:25.619 --> 01:27:28.159
the walls you've built to keep them out. And

01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:30.880
even in 10 ,000 years, they've not... You're

01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:32.680
telling me you didn't improve your weapons and

01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:36.140
army for 10 ,000 years? Yeah, no, the best they

01:27:36.140 --> 01:27:38.380
can say is it didn't get worse, or at least not

01:27:38.380 --> 01:27:41.399
as worse as everyone else. They still stagnated.

01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:46.319
Yeah. But that big ol' event, off, you know,

01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:49.939
off in the... corner of the galaxy, Abaddon throws

01:27:49.939 --> 01:27:53.899
a ship at a planet. A giant Eldar ancient fortress

01:27:53.899 --> 01:27:58.460
thing that rips it asunder. Cracks the planet

01:27:58.460 --> 01:28:03.039
in half. Well, in half. Into bits. Cadia has

01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:06.239
fallen. The Great Rift forms as the Eye of Terror,

01:28:06.439 --> 01:28:09.819
the Warpstorm turbocharges and spreads across

01:28:09.819 --> 01:28:13.520
the entire galaxy with two passageways connecting

01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:17.630
it. and it's not looking great for the Imperium.

01:28:17.649 --> 01:28:20.369
If there's ever a sign of a Chaos dub, that would

01:28:20.369 --> 01:28:22.890
probably be it. It's like the zipper, you know,

01:28:22.909 --> 01:28:28.130
between your balls and your anus. A Chaos zipper.

01:28:29.310 --> 01:28:31.609
Where do you get your zippers? How has no one

01:28:31.609 --> 01:28:33.270
ever heard of that term before? I know what you

01:28:33.270 --> 01:28:36.270
mean now that you put it. You wear your trousers

01:28:36.270 --> 01:28:41.069
back to front between what? The skin zipper.

01:28:41.430 --> 01:28:45.109
No, like the little ridge and your nuts. Oh,

01:28:45.170 --> 01:28:47.430
that's hilarious. Thank you for the chat for

01:28:47.430 --> 01:28:49.829
people who were having too much time enjoying

01:28:49.829 --> 01:28:52.069
the lore there. I wanted to really ruin it. Yeah,

01:28:52.090 --> 01:28:56.029
you know, a little ball sack zipper jump scare.

01:28:56.770 --> 01:29:00.109
Eye of taint. Guys, what did you expect? You

01:29:00.109 --> 01:29:03.409
were having too much of a good time. Yeah. But

01:29:03.409 --> 01:29:06.970
yeah, so that's happening. It's not great. The

01:29:06.970 --> 01:29:08.710
Ultramarines, fun fact, do participate in the

01:29:08.710 --> 01:29:11.170
fall of Cadia, though. Not the Ultramarines chapter,

01:29:11.350 --> 01:29:14.449
just the Pokeballs Trazen tosses out where he

01:29:14.449 --> 01:29:17.510
just has some great Crusader Ultramarines. So

01:29:17.510 --> 01:29:19.409
there are some Smurfs at the fall of Cadia. That's

01:29:19.409 --> 01:29:25.149
fun. But for the Ultramarines themselves, they

01:29:25.149 --> 01:29:29.289
have some surprise visitors. Some important Inquisitors,

01:29:29.369 --> 01:29:33.250
some refugees from Cadia. And in the only shining

01:29:33.250 --> 01:29:35.149
moment of them achieving anything, the Yanari.

01:29:37.270 --> 01:29:41.630
who, alongside Eldred, help bring back the Primarch

01:29:41.630 --> 01:29:45.210
to life. No longer locked in his stasis coffin

01:29:45.210 --> 01:29:48.729
to keep him from dying. Rebute Gilliman returns

01:29:48.729 --> 01:29:50.949
to... What would the Imperium do without the

01:29:50.949 --> 01:29:55.260
Eldar? Die. Just to point out. This is in the

01:29:55.260 --> 01:29:57.140
Library of Ptolemy as well. So they managed to

01:29:57.140 --> 01:29:59.960
get that, the Black Legion got that far in. The

01:29:59.960 --> 01:30:02.399
Black Legion, I mean, understandably, Abaddon

01:30:02.399 --> 01:30:05.220
heard the words Primarch waking up and went,

01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:08.239
no, no, I don't want that. Can't have that. So

01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:10.460
he threw everyone who hadn't, like by this point,

01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:12.380
all the traitor forces still listening to him

01:30:12.380 --> 01:30:13.979
because, you know, Cadia fell. A lot of them

01:30:13.979 --> 01:30:15.720
were going on a bender, especially like the world

01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:19.659
eaters, right? So he threw every force he could

01:30:19.659 --> 01:30:21.840
that was basically either not. desperately needed

01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:23.739
elsewhere or would still listen to him was like

01:30:23.739 --> 01:30:28.039
please stop that which did not work uh gilliman

01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:33.399
calmly assesses the situation uh as he wakes

01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:36.840
up i like the passages and like everything is

01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:39.239
just dead silent as he comes out of like a door

01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:43.119
as everyone just stares at him and his glare

01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:46.520
his glare was hate it was hate in his eyes oh

01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:49.539
yeah he was not pleased uh the silence was broken

01:30:49.539 --> 01:30:55.100
by one Very brave world eater who got punched

01:30:55.100 --> 01:30:57.520
in the face. I think it was Collegiate 2 by the

01:30:57.520 --> 01:30:59.720
Emperor's Sword. Because at this point, Gilliman

01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:01.119
still has the Emperor's Sword. I don't know why

01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:03.579
I always think he punched him to death. There

01:31:03.579 --> 01:31:08.899
was an older retcon of the Dark Imperium trilogy,

01:31:09.100 --> 01:31:11.020
wasn't it? Where Gilliman supposedly found the

01:31:11.020 --> 01:31:14.159
Emperor's Sword on a random planet. Yeah, I think

01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:15.899
that's what I'm thinking of. And then they changed

01:31:15.899 --> 01:31:18.380
the event so where Gilliman had the Emperor's

01:31:18.380 --> 01:31:21.939
Sword at the... And during the scouring, I think,

01:31:21.939 --> 01:31:24.960
did he become a Lord Commander during the scouring?

01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:29.000
The Lord Gilibid was the position. Isn't it also

01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:31.260
the thing of, like, did Call, I think there was

01:31:31.260 --> 01:31:32.739
even a thing where Call brought it with him,

01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:34.800
because there's the whole thing of the devastation

01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:37.420
of Baal. Dante keeps seeing visions of the Emperor

01:31:37.420 --> 01:31:40.340
on the throne, and then just before the Tyranids

01:31:40.340 --> 01:31:41.859
arrive, the sword is missing, and he's like,

01:31:41.960 --> 01:31:45.159
oh, that can't be a good thing. I can't remember

01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:47.060
which, because there's been so few records, I

01:31:47.060 --> 01:31:49.270
can't remember which one it is, but... I also

01:31:49.270 --> 01:31:52.789
have a thing of like, Belisarius calls resurrection,

01:31:53.050 --> 01:31:55.270
you know, using the armor of fate, which he crafted

01:31:55.270 --> 01:31:57.949
for Gilliman. It wouldn't have worked without

01:31:57.949 --> 01:32:00.750
the Unari feeding souls into Gilliman's like

01:32:00.750 --> 01:32:04.569
thing. So Gilliman is actually, when we say like

01:32:04.569 --> 01:32:07.149
Gilliman is not like, we say resurrected, literally,

01:32:07.229 --> 01:32:11.090
I think Yavrain tells him, you were brought back

01:32:11.090 --> 01:32:15.569
to life. You died. So you did actually die. And

01:32:15.569 --> 01:32:18.710
the armor of fate just stopped the. poison, that

01:32:18.710 --> 01:32:22.050
Fulgrim's blade is on his neck. It just stops

01:32:22.050 --> 01:32:25.850
that temporarily. But he actually did die. Iron

01:32:25.850 --> 01:32:30.149
Man 1 kind of deal. Yeah. And for a while he's

01:32:30.149 --> 01:32:31.630
like, I can't leave the suit. And then they were

01:32:31.630 --> 01:32:33.819
like, you can leave the suit now. It's okay.

01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:37.859
In Spouts. But yeah, Gilliman is, I think it

01:32:37.859 --> 01:32:39.699
says in this scene, like he, they all stop because

01:32:39.699 --> 01:32:41.579
his eyes are full of hate and they're all just

01:32:41.579 --> 01:32:45.079
like, oh God. Yeah, like, oh, that's a Primarch

01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:47.180
and it's not one of the ones on our side. Oh

01:32:47.180 --> 01:32:49.920
shit. And then my favorite part, he just starts

01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:53.060
moving. He's like, dof, dof, dof. And he starts

01:32:53.060 --> 01:32:55.079
cleaving with the Emperor's sword pretty quick.

01:32:55.539 --> 01:32:57.979
Yeah, he goes to work and sure enough, he does.

01:32:58.140 --> 01:33:00.359
The Black Legion and all the other tagalongs

01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:03.979
are repulsed from a crag. And the Ultramarines

01:33:03.979 --> 01:33:07.279
now have their dad back. I hate to interrupt.

01:33:07.380 --> 01:33:08.640
I'm doing it a lot this episode because this

01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:11.699
is so cool. When Kalgar is like almost beaten

01:33:11.699 --> 01:33:14.399
to death and then he sees Gilman and him make

01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:17.020
eye contact for a second. He's like, the fucking

01:33:17.020 --> 01:33:20.560
Primarch moves. He's like, oh shit. I've got

01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:23.039
an erection. I'm back. I'm back in the fight.

01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:27.520
I'm an Ultra Boner. He's so near death that when

01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:29.739
Gilman is... they're like, when they settle,

01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:31.539
the dust settles, and they're like, oh my god,

01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:34.800
the Primarch's alive. And then Calgar hands over

01:33:34.800 --> 01:33:39.960
the control of the chapter and Macragge to Gilliman.

01:33:40.420 --> 01:33:43.000
He almost has to have help, doesn't he? He's

01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:45.739
like, get off of me, I can stand! And he kneels,

01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:49.199
you know, it's pretty weird for, you know, a

01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:53.720
41st millennium Astarte to kneel before a living

01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:55.960
Primarch and be like, here's my chapter, Dad.

01:33:56.520 --> 01:34:00.100
You know? Yeah. Yeah, so pretty amazing. Pretty

01:34:00.100 --> 01:34:03.060
amazing scene. You love me? I love you. Oh, good.

01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:07.060
Stupid. Stupid part of the lore. They say Gilliman

01:34:07.060 --> 01:34:10.300
doesn't work out like Imperial Gothic has changed.

01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:13.699
He's a primarch. He can understand it in a second.

01:34:14.739 --> 01:34:17.239
Stupid. Sorry, Colin. Go ahead. You know, he

01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:19.300
post -coma, you know, he just woke up. He's still

01:34:19.300 --> 01:34:21.680
a little groggy. Everyone's speaking. I mean,

01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:23.760
technically Gilliman speaks in like the old ways

01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:28.899
with Shakespearean tongue. Yeah. So there's some

01:34:28.899 --> 01:34:32.079
teething troubles for the Ultramarines now. And

01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:34.760
then Cal goes, Skivity Riz, and the Primate was

01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:37.140
like, what? What are you talking about? He's

01:34:37.140 --> 01:34:38.819
like, here's the man, Dan. And then Galen's like,

01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:43.319
what? That's the real reason he privately is

01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:45.159
the one they like, maybe Horace should have won.

01:34:45.220 --> 01:34:47.359
He heard Skivity Riz, and he's like, yeah, oh

01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:49.279
yeah, it's over. My lord, you've been out for

01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:53.640
six, seven years. Six, seven years. Oh, God.

01:34:55.450 --> 01:34:57.810
But there's some teething troubles for the Ultramarines.

01:34:57.869 --> 01:35:01.789
It should be noted, as according to our Lord

01:35:01.789 --> 01:35:04.909
Prophet Matt Ward, Marnius Calgar was the spiritual

01:35:04.909 --> 01:35:08.170
liege of all the Ultramarines. They all looked

01:35:08.170 --> 01:35:10.369
up to him. Marnius Calgar's guidance had kept

01:35:10.369 --> 01:35:13.390
them strong for quite some time, as he's quite

01:35:13.390 --> 01:35:18.069
the cool dude. But now he's playing second fiddle,

01:35:18.149 --> 01:35:21.550
which in itself, like you said, he did give command

01:35:21.550 --> 01:35:24.119
willingly back to Gilliman. But, you know, for

01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:26.920
example, even Marnius Caligari, though, he said,

01:35:27.020 --> 01:35:28.880
like, you know, we can't just purely follow the

01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:32.300
codex. Gilman was like, hard to rewrite a lot

01:35:32.300 --> 01:35:35.539
of things. I got to update this book. Second,

01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:38.180
we've been on the first edition for 10 ,000 years.

01:35:38.300 --> 01:35:42.100
We got to we got to update this thing. Well,

01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:45.920
some of the more, you know, the biggest fans

01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:47.680
that they're like, whoa, I settled down. We,

01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:49.239
you know, we agreed we can change some things,

01:35:49.300 --> 01:35:52.359
but you're going ham on this. Also, you know,

01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:53.859
there's a lot of things with relics, right? Like

01:35:53.859 --> 01:35:57.119
the ultramarines, they have degraded. What would

01:35:57.119 --> 01:35:59.199
have been just a tool in the Great Crusade has

01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:02.800
become some of the sacredest, most awe -inspiring

01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:05.800
pieces of equipment. Sometimes just by virtue

01:36:05.800 --> 01:36:08.939
of Gilliman having touched it once. So he walks

01:36:08.939 --> 01:36:11.279
into office one day and Gilliman just, you know,

01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:13.819
he throws out some old piece of notes he was

01:36:13.819 --> 01:36:16.960
working on. They all like, what the fuck are

01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:20.579
you doing? Or it's like the, I'm sure it's the

01:36:20.579 --> 01:36:21.920
Romans when they had like, when you go to the

01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:24.239
bathroom, you have the sponge on a stick and

01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:26.840
it's like dunked in vinegar. Like the Primarch

01:36:26.840 --> 01:36:29.880
used this to wash his bum. Like it is a sacred

01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:35.720
artifact. Oh no. Please throw that away. Please

01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:39.000
throw that away. Oh my God. Poop knife, Gilliman

01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:46.619
sponge. Yeah. But, and. Sure enough, Gilliman

01:36:46.619 --> 01:36:49.340
comes from that time of legend, and he might

01:36:49.340 --> 01:36:52.760
be asking just a little bit too much. Sure enough,

01:36:52.920 --> 01:36:55.319
Gilliman starts the Indominus Crusade, the Ultramarines,

01:36:55.380 --> 01:36:58.319
of course, heading it. Rampage across the Imperium,

01:36:58.340 --> 01:37:02.659
try and stabilize everything. Tyranids, Orcs,

01:37:02.680 --> 01:37:06.760
and Chaos Marines, oh my. Which the Ultramarines,

01:37:06.819 --> 01:37:09.340
they do throw themselves into. But there are

01:37:09.340 --> 01:37:12.479
some problems. Marnius, Kalgar, and of course

01:37:12.479 --> 01:37:16.199
now Captain Titus. Gilman demands the 500 worlds

01:37:16.199 --> 01:37:19.380
be brought back anew. No longer will Ultramar

01:37:19.380 --> 01:37:23.180
shrink. Bring it back into one big sub -empire.

01:37:23.939 --> 01:37:26.920
Daddy wants his house back. Yeah, Daddy wants

01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:29.199
his house back, which sure enough, even cool

01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:32.800
dude Captain Titus is like, that's not happening,

01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:36.699
man. I'm going to try. That's not going to happen.

01:37:37.060 --> 01:37:42.479
When he breaks the Codex Extartes and then he

01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:47.069
makes other, he makes like a tetrarch, doesn't

01:37:47.069 --> 01:37:49.609
he? He splits Ultramar into four quadrants. He

01:37:49.609 --> 01:37:51.710
does. Because it used to be ruled like that in

01:37:51.710 --> 01:37:53.890
the Great Crusade, but then it shrank, so there

01:37:53.890 --> 01:37:56.409
was no need for those positions anymore. Now

01:37:56.409 --> 01:38:00.449
he's brought that back. So it's like Western

01:38:00.449 --> 01:38:02.489
Roman Empire and Eastern Roman Empire, except

01:38:02.489 --> 01:38:06.109
Ultramar's four, because it's enormous. They

01:38:06.109 --> 01:38:08.670
have chapter masters who help. Although, fun

01:38:08.670 --> 01:38:11.850
fact, even in Rome, there was, Tetrarchy was

01:38:11.850 --> 01:38:15.090
the Roman system. There was two senior emperors

01:38:15.090 --> 01:38:18.170
and two junior ones. Space Rome, remember? There

01:38:18.170 --> 01:38:20.569
was a Julius and then there was an Augustus,

01:38:20.569 --> 01:38:23.350
wasn't there? They had mini titles. Yeah, so

01:38:23.350 --> 01:38:25.810
there was two of the main ones and then two sub

01:38:25.810 --> 01:38:28.250
-emperors. Who would learn from the older one.

01:38:28.710 --> 01:38:30.890
That's cool. I didn't realize they linked it

01:38:30.890 --> 01:38:35.270
that strongly. Space Rome. You will understand.

01:38:35.630 --> 01:38:40.449
Space Rome. So the Ultramarines are coming back

01:38:40.449 --> 01:38:42.770
swinging. They're a little bit... I'm tentatively

01:38:42.770 --> 01:38:45.170
thinking... They're kind of on the upswing again.

01:38:45.569 --> 01:38:47.649
As it turns out, you can get away with Legion

01:38:47.649 --> 01:38:50.069
building in the modern times if you're sneaky

01:38:50.069 --> 01:38:53.130
about it, and they're also a Primarch. The Lord

01:38:53.130 --> 01:38:55.609
Macrog, I do still believe that is still Marnius

01:38:55.609 --> 01:38:58.229
Calgar, just because Gilliman's the Lord Commander

01:38:58.229 --> 01:39:01.689
of the Imperium. He did give it back to Calgar.

01:39:03.130 --> 01:39:06.609
Calgar does... I can't remember what it is. I

01:39:06.609 --> 01:39:08.390
think Calgar does speak at one point and he's

01:39:08.390 --> 01:39:10.359
like, This is what we alluded to earlier. He's

01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:14.100
embarrassed in some way that Ultramar had fallen

01:39:14.100 --> 01:39:17.300
so low compared to the 500 worlds it was before.

01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:24.119
Even the McCraggy and personal guard, they once

01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:25.659
fought off the tyrannies and the current era

01:39:25.659 --> 01:39:29.159
ones are like fopping wet boys or whatever. He

01:39:29.159 --> 01:39:33.380
makes fun of them. Yeah, they rebel against him

01:39:33.380 --> 01:39:36.100
and he... he's like this rebellion was so shit

01:39:36.100 --> 01:39:38.340
that how bad is your training nowadays oh my

01:39:38.340 --> 01:39:41.800
god yeah like it just shows like like calgar

01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:45.220
was almost like he understandably is like has

01:39:45.220 --> 01:39:47.920
an unreasonable resentment towards gilliman because

01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:50.840
because gilliman exists it proves how far they've

01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:53.399
fallen yeah there's that's some of the teething

01:39:53.399 --> 01:39:55.239
troubles too they they're measuring themselves

01:39:55.239 --> 01:39:57.600
up to what they once were and they're not terribly

01:39:57.600 --> 01:39:59.600
happy with what they're seeing in the mirror

01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:01.920
still doing way better than most other people

01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:04.270
but you know oh yeah And with the governance

01:40:04.270 --> 01:40:06.029
thing, I've just double checked. Their first

01:40:06.029 --> 01:40:08.770
captain, Agamann, he's also the regent of Ultramar

01:40:08.770 --> 01:40:11.750
whenever Marnius Kalgar is away. And so even

01:40:11.750 --> 01:40:15.289
the captains have a swathe of entire worlds or

01:40:15.289 --> 01:40:18.029
even entire star systems. Because they just have

01:40:18.029 --> 01:40:19.670
so much stuff. They have less than they had,

01:40:19.770 --> 01:40:22.189
but they have lots more than everyone else. Their

01:40:22.189 --> 01:40:25.029
first captain can, in some circumstances, be

01:40:25.029 --> 01:40:27.130
stronger than just about every other chapter

01:40:27.130 --> 01:40:29.930
master of the Imperium. And no one knows who

01:40:29.930 --> 01:40:33.810
he is. Most planets in the Imperium, the chapter

01:40:33.810 --> 01:40:36.590
master, even if it's like a recruiting homeworld,

01:40:36.670 --> 01:40:38.529
they're not usually the leader of the planet.

01:40:38.569 --> 01:40:41.229
There's a planetary governor. Yeah, there's still

01:40:41.229 --> 01:40:43.289
someone else. The Ultramarines are the actual

01:40:43.289 --> 01:40:47.850
leaders of McCragg. At the end of the day, if

01:40:47.850 --> 01:40:53.090
they even... Yeah, they rule McCragg, which is

01:40:53.090 --> 01:40:56.750
not very common. But that's why it's probably

01:40:56.750 --> 01:40:59.189
stayed so nice, because the Ultramarines guiding

01:40:59.189 --> 01:41:04.500
it kept it nice and... Good -ish. In the Imperium

01:41:04.500 --> 01:41:06.819
of Man, a 6 out of 10 may as well be paradise.

01:41:07.300 --> 01:41:13.220
Bruh. And yeah, so come that, we get the modern

01:41:13.220 --> 01:41:17.279
Ultramarines, the blue and gold, and there are

01:41:17.279 --> 01:41:18.920
other companies with different color schemes,

01:41:19.060 --> 01:41:21.680
but who gives a shit seems to be the running

01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:27.520
theme of GW. Are there any questions or added

01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:32.170
things? uh any last details we can think of actually

01:41:32.170 --> 01:41:37.890
before we um hmm actually i think i had maybe

01:41:37.890 --> 01:41:40.869
one i could think of like things in dark imperium

01:41:40.869 --> 01:41:43.569
which is they are adding on they have like a

01:41:43.569 --> 01:41:47.109
uh who's the guy captain felix who's technically

01:41:47.109 --> 01:41:51.750
he's now the 11th captain like oh yeah if you're

01:41:51.750 --> 01:41:54.409
if you're sneaky about it or you have a primark

01:41:54.409 --> 01:41:57.539
you can get away with legion building Yeah, so

01:41:57.539 --> 01:42:01.260
they pretty much have changed. Again, the Code

01:42:01.260 --> 01:42:04.699
of Astartes is no longer gospel, shall we say.

01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:07.399
Well, to some chapters, the space was like, I

01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:09.119
don't follow that shit anyway. It wasn't gospel

01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:12.300
to begin with. I never cared. Archangels, what

01:42:12.300 --> 01:42:16.560
even is this? No, I think, Faye, I think you

01:42:16.560 --> 01:42:18.319
covered it pretty good. I hope people who are

01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:20.180
listening have learned some pretty cool stuff.

01:42:20.600 --> 01:42:22.960
Some extra details as well in there, which we've

01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:25.279
tried to add on in because Ultramarines are cool.

01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:28.920
Oh, I guess one other ending fun fact. There

01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:32.380
used to be a Trader Legion. Is that an early,

01:42:32.439 --> 01:42:34.779
like early? Oh, very early lore. They were a

01:42:34.779 --> 01:42:37.340
Trader Legion, and then other space marines took

01:42:37.340 --> 01:42:40.199
on their mantle to kind of, you know, save the

01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:43.140
name. Is this from early Codex lore? Because

01:42:43.140 --> 01:42:44.619
I don't remember. This is not a novel stuff.

01:42:44.819 --> 01:42:47.859
No, this is from like Rogue Trader, like second

01:42:47.859 --> 01:42:52.260
edition. Damn, Codex has been changing quite

01:42:52.260 --> 01:42:55.180
a lot. Yeah, we've gone quite a ways from what

01:42:55.180 --> 01:42:58.380
40k started as, turns out. The Ultramarines used

01:42:58.380 --> 01:43:02.920
to be evil. I think a cool thing, I finished

01:43:02.920 --> 01:43:05.300
on one last detail, which is I think the coolest

01:43:05.300 --> 01:43:08.539
alternate heresy thing is the one where Gilliman

01:43:08.539 --> 01:43:12.340
is the actual antagonist, is like the main version

01:43:12.340 --> 01:43:14.159
of what Horus is, you know, the arch traitor.

01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:16.739
Ultramarines turning traitor would have been

01:43:16.739 --> 01:43:19.229
horrific. You probably would have won. I probably

01:43:19.229 --> 01:43:26.109
would have won. I'm one on time. Oh, I guess

01:43:26.109 --> 01:43:28.270
one other thing. One of the planets eaten by

01:43:28.270 --> 01:43:31.350
High Fleet Behemoth was the world of Sotha, which

01:43:31.350 --> 01:43:36.670
was a cardinal world. Okay. I was going somewhere

01:43:36.670 --> 01:43:40.829
stupider than that. I can't judge. It was a religious

01:43:40.829 --> 01:43:43.329
world named Sotha, so I can't help but wonder

01:43:43.329 --> 01:43:45.489
if on this world before the Tyranids ate it.

01:43:46.300 --> 01:43:49.659
was a was a tribunal and a six house with a tribe

01:43:49.659 --> 01:43:53.520
unmourned something shitty sotha sil marwent

01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:59.020
dagother wow that was it i can't remember the

01:43:59.020 --> 01:44:01.760
details very well but i'm pretty sure there's

01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:04.020
also a thing in the horus heresy where the the

01:44:04.020 --> 01:44:07.800
then chief librarian is killed by the knight's

01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:10.560
errand or something like that because he's like

01:44:10.560 --> 01:44:14.520
oh i i you you You didn't follow the Council

01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:16.979
of Nikea or something, so they just obliterate

01:44:16.979 --> 01:44:20.479
him. That was in the Crimson King. He joined

01:44:20.479 --> 01:44:23.819
the Knight's Errant, I think. He was a previous

01:44:23.819 --> 01:44:26.479
one. And then the Space Wolves end up killing

01:44:26.479 --> 01:44:31.340
him because they find out he was culling Space

01:44:31.340 --> 01:44:36.859
Marines. Yes. They got rid of him. This is, again,

01:44:37.020 --> 01:44:39.600
there's so much Ultramarine content. Andy, there's

01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:41.619
an image I've sent you if you put in the lore

01:44:41.619 --> 01:44:48.869
crimes. If that could be put on screen. We'll

01:44:48.869 --> 01:44:50.930
put it in the edit. Here's your equal attention

01:44:50.930 --> 01:44:55.329
cake, Space Marines. Damn. And the Ultra Marines

01:44:55.329 --> 01:44:57.250
get the biggest slice of that cake, which is,

01:44:57.350 --> 01:45:01.470
again, you can talk about Uriel Ventress easily

01:45:01.470 --> 01:45:06.609
his own thing. Marnius Caligar could too. Titus,

01:45:06.630 --> 01:45:10.800
like the second company. Barely even talked about

01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:13.800
Cato Scarius. I think you get the right episode

01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.000
every one day. Well, I mean, it's like, where

01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:20.560
do I... They mug the other chapters. Before we

01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:23.180
add them, it's like, these assholes have more

01:45:23.180 --> 01:45:25.300
books than most other chapters. Or even always,

01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:27.939
like, Toreas Tellion, who's like, I'm a sergeant,

01:45:27.939 --> 01:45:29.640
I'm just a scout sergeant guy. It's like, yeah,

01:45:29.739 --> 01:45:33.979
he's... He almost killed an old one -eye. He

01:45:33.979 --> 01:45:37.220
hunted him down, kind of. Didn't take him. Do

01:45:37.220 --> 01:45:38.979
you know what Colin would be good to finish on?

01:45:39.060 --> 01:45:41.199
Just a brief explanation of, because we said

01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:44.380
it a few times throughout the episode, what is

01:45:44.380 --> 01:45:47.840
theoretical and practical and what's its actual

01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:51.560
use? That is how Gilliman and indeed how the

01:45:51.560 --> 01:45:56.079
Ultramarines try and basically weigh everything

01:45:56.079 --> 01:45:59.340
up and see how they're going to act. The theoretical

01:45:59.340 --> 01:46:05.479
is kind of like, okay, here's the situation I'm

01:46:05.479 --> 01:46:07.859
in. Here's how, you know, here's what we're going

01:46:07.859 --> 01:46:10.899
in with. Practical. What are the ways we can,

01:46:10.939 --> 01:46:13.060
you know, we can take care of it? So, you know,

01:46:13.060 --> 01:46:14.939
I guess, like you said earlier, theoretical.

01:46:16.760 --> 01:46:19.619
The traitor legions are, there are traitor legions

01:46:19.619 --> 01:46:21.899
now. Horus and, you know, all those legions have

01:46:21.899 --> 01:46:25.340
turned against the Imperium. Practical. Get Aeneid

01:46:25.340 --> 01:46:27.960
Thiel out of jail and let's start running some

01:46:27.960 --> 01:46:31.079
exercises and figuring out how to now fight space

01:46:31.079 --> 01:46:34.840
marines. I do remember a cool part, which is

01:46:34.840 --> 01:46:37.359
in the Ventress novels where they mentioned how

01:46:37.359 --> 01:46:40.239
not, like it's a thing that comes in and out

01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:43.500
of fashion, that sense of using that way of thinking.

01:46:44.220 --> 01:46:48.579
And I do think the most poignant example I think

01:46:48.579 --> 01:46:50.939
of is when we mentioned in the heresy of Imperium

01:46:50.939 --> 01:46:53.159
Secundus, when, you know, they're cut off from

01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:54.960
terror and they want to make like a second Imperium.

01:46:55.380 --> 01:46:57.720
The reason Gilliman does it, he says like, I

01:46:57.720 --> 01:47:00.340
think it's like the theoretical is that terror

01:47:00.340 --> 01:47:04.529
has been destroyed. It's like Schrodinger's terror

01:47:04.529 --> 01:47:08.090
in some sense. Either terror exists and the emperor

01:47:08.090 --> 01:47:11.949
is fine or it doesn't exist. The practical is

01:47:11.949 --> 01:47:15.090
what can you practically do with the lack of

01:47:15.090 --> 01:47:18.250
information, which is basically continue the

01:47:18.250 --> 01:47:21.090
imperium in a sense of if the emperor does exist

01:47:21.090 --> 01:47:23.710
or is fine, then you can just dissolve imperium

01:47:23.710 --> 01:47:26.409
secundus. If the emperor doesn't exist, then

01:47:26.409 --> 01:47:28.890
therefore you've continued the imperium. So that's

01:47:28.890 --> 01:47:31.149
the whole point. Theoretical and practical is...

01:47:31.719 --> 01:47:35.159
Theoretical is what is possibly going on and

01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:39.079
practical is what you can actually do. They take

01:47:39.079 --> 01:47:41.659
a very measured approach to everything. What's

01:47:41.659 --> 01:47:45.340
the possibilities and then what can I actually

01:47:45.340 --> 01:47:49.760
do? Cool stuff. I like that. It's quite nice.

01:47:49.939 --> 01:47:54.140
Better Legion chapter thinking in the entirety

01:47:54.140 --> 01:47:59.020
of Warhammer lore. Obviously I know it doesn't

01:47:59.020 --> 01:48:01.899
come compared to Necron or other. like extra

01:48:01.899 --> 01:48:03.560
things but it's like a cool little human thing

01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:07.079
you know be it don't be an idiot think about

01:48:07.079 --> 01:48:13.800
it use your brain please yes i have i have stuff

01:48:13.800 --> 01:48:17.119
from that so our uh our question was something

01:48:17.119 --> 01:48:21.119
akin to what makes you rage or what do you see

01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:23.359
when you get the black rage it was something

01:48:23.359 --> 01:48:27.380
like that question uh so hashtag black rage first

01:48:27.380 --> 01:48:31.880
one from uesc Durandal, very topical. Whoever

01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:35.100
it was that decided Chiron had to die in a community

01:48:35.100 --> 01:48:40.479
post. Rip Chiron. He was cool. Where is Pepe?

01:48:40.720 --> 01:48:43.899
Shout out. He says Matt Ward. Just Matt Ward.

01:48:44.159 --> 01:48:47.279
We love Matt Ward here on the apps. We love Matt

01:48:47.279 --> 01:48:51.300
Ward. Good fella. I haven't read that much of

01:48:51.300 --> 01:48:53.439
his stuff. He's been through enough. Leave him

01:48:53.439 --> 01:49:00.760
be. My only friend, TheEnd4958 Oh, and the diabetes.

01:49:02.600 --> 01:49:06.720
Eli still hasn't read Peak Talor. I donated so

01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:09.720
you could get the Coil Omnibus. There's a short

01:49:09.720 --> 01:49:12.779
story where a crew murders a train of guardsmen.

01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:15.319
It's Peak. That sounds lovely. Do I have to read

01:49:15.319 --> 01:49:17.920
the entire Omnibus just to find the one short

01:49:17.920 --> 01:49:22.819
story with Talor? I'll look it up right now because

01:49:22.819 --> 01:49:27.199
I honestly don't remember that. Oh yeah, I guess

01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:28.800
it's my job. I guess I'm reading the questions.

01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:34.039
Sorry, I'll look at them later. Jij29, hashtag

01:49:34.039 --> 01:49:37.000
BlackRage, anyone who wrote an Eldari book, that's

01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:39.119
who you'd see. You'd see a lot of Gavthorpe.

01:49:40.140 --> 01:49:44.140
Fair enough. Would you fight Gavthorpe on the

01:49:44.140 --> 01:49:49.079
street? He seems like a nice enough guy. He could

01:49:49.079 --> 01:49:53.640
have just stuck to writing comics. Alaric plays

01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:56.739
games. I would see the people who hated on the

01:49:56.739 --> 01:49:59.060
Death of Hope animator as well as other Warhammer

01:49:59.060 --> 01:50:01.500
animators until they stopped making Warhammer

01:50:01.500 --> 01:50:04.699
animations. Rip Death of Hope. I should have

01:50:04.699 --> 01:50:11.840
just kept doing it. Yeah, I think he... I mean,

01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:14.180
obviously it's amazing animation. I think he

01:50:14.180 --> 01:50:18.000
took more of it to heart. I think it bothered

01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:20.159
him quite a lot. You can't be posting on YouTube

01:50:20.159 --> 01:50:22.819
and not be ready for criticism. Yeah, I mean,

01:50:22.819 --> 01:50:24.760
do you feel like we've all... done this for long

01:50:24.760 --> 01:50:27.680
enough where like like i remember it bothered

01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:29.640
me in like the first month or two when someone

01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:33.380
told me like to go end myself but yeah you know

01:50:33.380 --> 01:50:36.939
i mean just for trying but um you know it just

01:50:36.939 --> 01:50:40.899
happens online so you know i still get some funny

01:50:40.899 --> 01:50:43.460
ones like there's one guy who keeps commenting

01:50:43.460 --> 01:50:46.380
being like this effing website won't let me comment

01:50:46.380 --> 01:50:48.600
because he keeps writing the foulest things about

01:50:48.600 --> 01:50:52.979
it yeah my friend Cole, some of you might know

01:50:52.979 --> 01:50:55.560
who Cole is, used to comment on my videos all

01:50:55.560 --> 01:50:57.939
the time. And after like the third video I posted,

01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:00.680
he was banned from commenting. And YouTube wouldn't

01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:03.319
let him comment any more stuff. The amount of

01:51:03.319 --> 01:51:05.600
people who say the N word is crazy. Dark Coil

01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:10.420
Damnation. Where's the actual? There's a kid.

01:51:10.460 --> 01:51:12.520
Novel series. All right. All right. I'm looking

01:51:12.520 --> 01:51:14.859
into this. I'm looking into this. And we did

01:51:14.859 --> 01:51:17.760
have another question of the week. And I hate

01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:19.079
to say this, for the life of me, I've forgotten

01:51:19.079 --> 01:51:22.949
it. It was hashtag codex, wasn't it? Firecast.

01:51:23.050 --> 01:51:25.590
Yeah, I'm going to read Firecast. Oh, yeah. I

01:51:25.590 --> 01:51:27.170
think our question of the week was, what would

01:51:27.170 --> 01:51:31.329
be in your codex of Starseeds? And, I mean, going

01:51:31.329 --> 01:51:33.409
around the group, guys, what's like a funny thing

01:51:33.409 --> 01:51:35.789
maybe you would put in your codex? It's not original,

01:51:35.989 --> 01:51:38.310
but I would say, like, it would be first page.

01:51:38.710 --> 01:51:41.109
You do not, when you're making a cup of tea,

01:51:41.170 --> 01:51:44.369
put the milk in first. Instantly taken to the

01:51:44.369 --> 01:51:47.510
Inquisition to be turned into a servitor. that's

01:51:47.510 --> 01:51:49.930
that's how that works you've got to pour in the

01:51:49.930 --> 01:51:52.050
tea you put the tea bag in then you pour the

01:51:52.050 --> 01:51:54.789
hot water then you take the tea bag out and you

01:51:54.789 --> 01:51:56.569
put the milk for their animals who put their

01:51:56.569 --> 01:52:00.569
tea in the milk first some people get the milk

01:52:00.569 --> 01:52:05.170
in and then they add the water that's like that's

01:52:05.170 --> 01:52:07.409
like the milk before the cereal but worse somehow

01:52:07.409 --> 01:52:10.069
yeah it's culturally painful to see anything

01:52:10.069 --> 01:52:14.600
that remotely resembles that I'm riled thinking

01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:20.159
about that, Andrew. You really upset me. You

01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:22.880
shall never take the treadmill beside someone

01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:25.600
if there's another one available two spaces away.

01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:29.619
If there's three treadmills and you're on this

01:52:29.619 --> 01:52:33.319
one, don't go on this one. Go on this one. I

01:52:33.319 --> 01:52:39.680
can have my personal space. My personal space

01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:46.760
is unnecessarily invaded. i would say i had a

01:52:46.760 --> 01:52:49.119
really dark one there like i can't say that one

01:52:49.119 --> 01:52:52.479
are you gonna say no i literally can't uh because

01:52:52.479 --> 01:52:55.140
it's like i think of like crazy people i've seen

01:52:55.140 --> 01:53:00.220
on the street before but um uh i would say in

01:53:00.220 --> 01:53:03.960
my codex of starties is if you're considered

01:53:03.960 --> 01:53:08.439
annoying by enough people you immediately have

01:53:08.439 --> 01:53:11.640
to be silent For as long as you've annoyed people.

01:53:12.420 --> 01:53:19.619
Oh, okay. I would be made silent for years. If

01:53:19.619 --> 01:53:24.800
you charge too much for insulin and you think

01:53:24.800 --> 01:53:28.960
the codex says you get shot. Into the blender.

01:53:30.560 --> 01:53:34.859
You're going face first, funny man. And that

01:53:34.859 --> 01:53:36.460
would, I guess with that being said, thank you

01:53:36.460 --> 01:53:37.960
guys so much for watching, for listening. Thank

01:53:37.960 --> 01:53:40.720
you for calling, for helming. A lot of Ultraman

01:53:40.720 --> 01:53:46.300
stuff. And for me, constantly interrupting. It's

01:53:46.300 --> 01:53:48.579
helping out, I don't mind. And we'll see you

01:53:48.579 --> 01:53:50.520
guys very, very soon in the next one. Peace,

01:53:50.520 --> 01:53:50.939
love all.