WEBVTT 00:00:14.620 --> 00:00:16.899 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:20.219 and welcome back to Law Crimes with Fantasy Fireside. 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:23.000 And today, because it is the Christmas time of 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:26.199 that year, it is the snowy month, it is the festive 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:30.019 season, we're doing something a little bit special 00:00:30.019 --> 00:00:32.520 this episode. Colin, what are we talking about 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:39.320 today? Kieslev. Kieslev. Just Kieslev. So like, 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:41.320 oh, it's just Kieslev. They have their cavalry. 00:00:41.420 --> 00:00:44.759 What do you mean, just Kieslev? no that's uh 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.920 there is context of that believe it or not that 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:50.840 was their only total war diplomacy line for like 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.740 five years wow because they weren't a proper 00:00:53.740 --> 00:00:55.920 faction until three so you'd click on them and 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:58.880 they would just go kislev and that was it that 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:00.880 was that was the diplomacy with them thanks for 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.900 coming wow wow i mean are they are they kind 00:01:04.900 --> 00:01:07.799 of a they're a major faction i mean they're in 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:09.519 the trailer for total war they've got to be somewhat 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.120 important or they just kind of they're on the 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:15.000 doorstep to hell that makes them important ish 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:16.540 but they're not like a proper art like what's 00:01:16.540 --> 00:01:20.439 their deal i for a bit of meta history if i'm 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:23.260 remembering correctly they used to be like you 00:01:23.260 --> 00:01:26.620 could have a kiesel of army both in uh i believe 00:01:26.620 --> 00:01:29.099 there was like a way to do it in the empire army 00:01:29.099 --> 00:01:32.030 book like they were like a variant army formation 00:01:32.030 --> 00:01:34.650 kind of almost like chapters like you can take 00:01:34.650 --> 00:01:36.310 different chapters for rules but they're still 00:01:36.310 --> 00:01:38.549 marines okay i believe it was something like 00:01:38.549 --> 00:01:41.489 that and then there was uh actually i think it 00:01:41.489 --> 00:01:47.530 was called war master uh much indeed you know 00:01:47.530 --> 00:01:50.849 like like the horus one but uh this this was 00:01:50.849 --> 00:01:53.290 like uh this was warhammer fantasy's version 00:01:53.290 --> 00:01:56.170 of you know epic okay uh where it's like the 00:01:56.170 --> 00:01:58.409 minis are a lot smaller but that means you can 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.780 get like an army of 10 000 dudes on the table 00:02:01.780 --> 00:02:04.780 right you don't have to spend a grand for a titan 00:02:04.780 --> 00:02:06.980 you can buy it for 50 pounds like okay fair enough 00:02:06.980 --> 00:02:11.860 yeah uh i believe they were a uh like they were 00:02:11.860 --> 00:02:14.419 they were their own fellas in that one okay uh 00:02:14.419 --> 00:02:16.879 they had a good amount of minis at least compared 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:19.780 to their proper eighth edition army which was 00:02:19.780 --> 00:02:29.800 zero minis so and that was called All I know 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:34.259 about Kislev is they live in the snow. They are 00:02:34.259 --> 00:02:37.599 right next to where the portal to hell is for 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:39.460 chaos. They're like the first line of defense. 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:44.039 There's a lady. There's bear cavalry. And there's 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:46.120 a man with a beard who, in the trailer for Total 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:48.020 War, pulls a sword out of the thing and goes, 00:02:48.060 --> 00:02:52.199 and that's all I know about Kislev. So I'm excited 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:56.849 to learn more. But on that note, where does one 00:02:56.849 --> 00:02:59.710 start with Keystep? Do they have a long history? 00:02:59.990 --> 00:03:02.069 Do they have an interesting... Where are we going 00:03:02.069 --> 00:03:07.189 to begin this one? They actually do have a decently 00:03:07.189 --> 00:03:10.689 long history. In terms of years, it's kind of 00:03:10.689 --> 00:03:13.409 comparative to the Empire. It's nothing like, 00:03:13.469 --> 00:03:15.370 you know, the elves and the dwarves and all that. 00:03:15.490 --> 00:03:17.650 You know, the elder races, as they're called. 00:03:17.830 --> 00:03:21.650 But they go back a fair ways. They're not a new 00:03:21.650 --> 00:03:26.069 nation. Actually, we'll get into it. Okay. So 00:03:26.069 --> 00:03:30.530 go back as far as we can, right? You've got the 00:03:30.530 --> 00:03:34.430 Empire, right? Which before Sigmar was just different 00:03:34.430 --> 00:03:38.669 tribes of German barbarians, right? Well, to 00:03:38.669 --> 00:03:44.169 the northeast, go to, as you will surely notice, 00:03:44.189 --> 00:03:48.949 it is what this place is. You go to fantasy Eastern 00:03:48.949 --> 00:03:54.379 Europe. We find a tribe called the... Gospodar. 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:57.639 I'm going to call them Gospodar at least once. 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:01.340 I have the same little brain worm I do with Barabast 00:04:01.340 --> 00:04:03.639 Antioch, where I keep calling them Barbarist 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:07.000 Antioch. That's not right, but I do that with 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.780 these guys too. So Gospodar, though. They were 00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:13.840 one of the early tribes of man that were in the 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:19.040 region, while Sigmar was uniting all of the German 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:23.529 tribes. what would become the Empire of Man. 00:04:23.870 --> 00:04:27.310 He was going around doing that. And at one point, 00:04:27.490 --> 00:04:34.069 he... Er, no, pardon me. I've called them the 00:04:34.069 --> 00:04:37.089 wrong name. Ungol. I was looking at the wrong... 00:04:37.089 --> 00:04:39.389 I skipped ahead a bit in terms of the names. 00:04:39.569 --> 00:04:42.850 This proto -Kislev tribe is the Ungol tribe. 00:04:43.170 --> 00:04:45.930 Okay. Everything I've just said is still valid, 00:04:45.990 --> 00:04:48.370 but they're called the Ungol. Pardon me. But 00:04:48.370 --> 00:04:54.160 while Sigmar was... uniting uh the empire that 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.379 led him into fighting one of the uh proto -human 00:04:57.379 --> 00:05:01.500 tribes uh not proto -human proto -empire tribes 00:05:01.500 --> 00:05:03.300 they were that were a little bit too fond of 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:05.899 chaos you know a little bit a little bit too 00:05:05.899 --> 00:05:10.360 too demon worshipy for sigmar's taste so he drove 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:13.139 them out and this ended up driving them towards 00:05:13.139 --> 00:05:17.579 ungold territory who You know, they don't much 00:05:17.579 --> 00:05:20.000 like chaos either. So they were like, hey, Sigmar, 00:05:20.060 --> 00:05:23.339 you want to double team these bozos? Which, you 00:05:23.339 --> 00:05:25.399 know, Sigmar agreed. He's like, kill chaos with 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:27.339 each of you. Don't mind if I do. Sounds fun. 00:05:28.019 --> 00:05:32.699 Yeah. So they did that. And this was a little 00:05:32.699 --> 00:05:35.680 bit into Sigmar getting everyone together. And 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:39.319 the Ungol people and Sigmar and their realm, 00:05:39.459 --> 00:05:43.660 they made a promise to, if anyone, if the other 00:05:43.660 --> 00:05:47.279 is invaded, we'll help each other out. This wasn't, 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.300 you know, Sigmar wasn't getting them into his 00:05:50.300 --> 00:05:55.259 group. They were a little far away. But they 00:05:55.259 --> 00:05:58.480 were like, hey, you're cool. We're cool. If we 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:02.180 ever need help, we can help each other out. So 00:06:02.180 --> 00:06:05.220 that was the start of the alliance between these 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:12.660 two realms. The poor ungles, however, they did 00:06:12.660 --> 00:06:15.040 have about 1 ,500 years of just kind of chilling, 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:19.329 you know. But come just before the year 1500 00:06:19.329 --> 00:06:22.350 in the Imperial Calendar, that's when the Gospodar 00:06:22.350 --> 00:06:25.629 show up. I messed up. Now they're here. Now it's 00:06:25.629 --> 00:06:31.550 Gospodar. Okay. These fellas were another tribe 00:06:31.550 --> 00:06:35.730 that was a little bit more generally wealthy, 00:06:35.889 --> 00:06:39.449 well -equipped, and as it is fitting, magical 00:06:39.449 --> 00:06:43.550 than the Ungol. They showed up from the farther 00:06:43.550 --> 00:06:48.189 eastern region of the world. fleeing from away 00:06:48.189 --> 00:06:50.490 from chaos waste as it was kind of expanding 00:06:50.490 --> 00:06:52.889 a little bit so they were they were just running 00:06:52.889 --> 00:06:57.269 away led by a very fine queen named miska the 00:06:57.269 --> 00:07:00.689 slaughterer oh that's a fun title what do you 00:07:00.689 --> 00:07:03.009 do what are you known for slaughtering i guess 00:07:03.009 --> 00:07:09.529 take a guess yeah yeah so she was uh she had 00:07:09.529 --> 00:07:12.129 united her own little tribes and then they all 00:07:12.129 --> 00:07:16.769 just went west and decided that The lands of 00:07:16.769 --> 00:07:19.110 the Ungol were as good of a region as any to 00:07:19.110 --> 00:07:22.990 settle down. The Ungol, they tried to fight them 00:07:22.990 --> 00:07:25.069 back, right? They were like, hey, this is my 00:07:25.069 --> 00:07:30.569 house. What the hell? But as I said, Miska the 00:07:30.569 --> 00:07:33.310 Slaughterer was one of the, I believe, the first 00:07:33.310 --> 00:07:36.810 of the Ice Witches and whatnot. Yeah, she wasn't 00:07:36.810 --> 00:07:41.529 Miska the Diplomat or Miska the Negotiator. Yeah, 00:07:41.730 --> 00:07:44.689 she's not Obi -Wan. She's not here to play nice. 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:54.360 So she invades and fairly, with minimal difficulty 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:56.680 relative to how much land they conquered, just 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:00.259 kind of takes over the region. The Ungol did 00:08:00.259 --> 00:08:02.620 try and call in that bargain before. And it wasn't 00:08:02.620 --> 00:08:04.339 like, you know, the Empire, every now and again, 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:06.100 the Empire would have responded because, you 00:08:06.100 --> 00:08:07.980 know, they're like, Kislev's being invaded or 00:08:07.980 --> 00:08:09.660 the Ungols are being invaded. We should help 00:08:09.660 --> 00:08:12.000 them out. But this was during one of the periods 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:13.879 where the Empire is having a little bit of a 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:18.040 civil war. It does that. fairly frequently. So 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.720 they were not really in a position to go help 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:26.379 out. Yeah. So eventually the Gospodar did try 00:08:26.379 --> 00:08:30.759 and invade the Empire, which didn't work out 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:32.799 for them. You know, they were able to push back 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:36.500 them, which the Empire then made another treaty 00:08:36.500 --> 00:08:40.360 with the Gospodar. And it was around this point 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:44.360 that the nation proper, now it is called Kislev, 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.480 would begin to form. They had built themselves 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:51.200 over the ruins of a destroyed Ungol city, the 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.700 city of Kislev. And then they just eventually 00:08:54.700 --> 00:08:59.549 named the whole kingdom after it. in very vague 00:08:59.549 --> 00:09:03.190 terms with the timeline. So this is well after 00:09:03.190 --> 00:09:06.710 we've had the elves, we've had the dwarves, we've 00:09:06.710 --> 00:09:09.149 had the lizardmen, we've had a lot of species 00:09:09.149 --> 00:09:12.129 already lay claim to a lot of the world. And 00:09:12.129 --> 00:09:14.309 Kislev, are they kind of like a late runner of 00:09:14.309 --> 00:09:16.210 like, oh, they've been around, but they're kind 00:09:16.210 --> 00:09:20.049 of newish? Can you give us like a vague indication 00:09:20.049 --> 00:09:23.090 of where they sit in the timeline? In terms of 00:09:23.090 --> 00:09:26.059 being an actual country, they... They were a 00:09:26.059 --> 00:09:31.799 good few, like, thousand years, like... Honestly, 00:09:31.899 --> 00:09:33.879 I think actually they were just, like, if we're 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:36.340 taking the end times, they were just over a thousand 00:09:36.340 --> 00:09:38.620 years before the end times was formed. Okay. 00:09:38.740 --> 00:09:41.980 Which happens 25 years after the Empire was founded 00:09:41.980 --> 00:09:45.120 and several more thousand years, like, after 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:47.019 the Dwarves and the Elves all had their empire. 00:09:47.419 --> 00:09:49.519 The Tomb Kings are all skeletons by this point. 00:09:49.980 --> 00:09:53.500 Yeah. Kathy's being Kathy out there. Yeah, it's... 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.700 Most of the other nations that were going to 00:09:57.700 --> 00:10:00.799 pop up, ignoring whatever random border kingdom 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:05.440 fiefdom, that doesn't matter at all. All the 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:11.080 other nations are just about here. So now we 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:16.580 do have Kislev. There is... There was some problems. 00:10:16.659 --> 00:10:19.120 Again, these two different tribes didn't much 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:21.919 like each other at first. What with the second 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.320 one kind of coming in and rampaging all over 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.559 the place and just planted flags down. Yeah. 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.779 Tribes in history have always been a bit not 00:10:30.779 --> 00:10:35.940 good with each other. Hence tribalism. It's like 00:10:35.940 --> 00:10:38.360 poetry. They rhyme. It's like the modern day. 00:10:40.100 --> 00:10:44.820 And they would... I mean, it's kind of a simple 00:10:44.820 --> 00:10:47.039 thing. So over, you know, over the thousand years, 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.480 the two tribes would eventually start coming 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:55.059 together. And eventually it did get to a point 00:10:55.059 --> 00:10:59.080 where they were kind of all like, we're a Kislevite, 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.960 you know, first and foremost. And then they'd 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.740 be like, I come from a long Ungol line or a Gospodar 00:11:05.740 --> 00:11:08.240 line. But keep in mind that did take about a 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.279 thousand years for that attitude to properly 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:15.509 like, you know, set in. uh up to that it's there's 00:11:15.509 --> 00:11:17.889 not too much to say on it if for no other reason 00:11:17.889 --> 00:11:20.210 than you could sum it up pretty easily as took 00:11:20.210 --> 00:11:22.509 a thousand years for the ethnic infighting to 00:11:22.509 --> 00:11:24.830 kind of calm down a little bit just a thousand 00:11:24.830 --> 00:11:27.210 yeah yeah several generations of people hating 00:11:27.210 --> 00:11:30.669 their forefathers enemies even though they never 00:11:30.669 --> 00:11:34.289 met them like yeah amazing great yeah you know 00:11:34.289 --> 00:11:35.950 their kids hate each other just a little bit 00:11:35.950 --> 00:11:38.509 less and you know on and on for for a millennia 00:11:40.199 --> 00:11:43.179 What would also happen is that the Ungol would 00:11:43.179 --> 00:11:45.980 kind of end up inhabiting over the northern parts 00:11:45.980 --> 00:11:49.019 of Kislev, and the Gaspar would kind of set up 00:11:49.019 --> 00:11:51.600 shop in the southern parts of the nation. Okay. 00:11:51.860 --> 00:11:57.120 So they would... Part of what probably also helped 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:58.700 them not hate each other was they just agreed 00:11:58.700 --> 00:12:01.259 to live in different parts of the country. You 00:12:01.259 --> 00:12:03.519 go over there, we'll stay over here, and don't 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:08.220 come near me ever again. Cool. Yeah. And, you 00:12:08.220 --> 00:12:11.120 know, it was this, again, I do want to say things 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:13.860 did get better. Like, you know, come the modern 00:12:13.860 --> 00:12:19.899 day of the setting, that Katerin lady, she started 00:12:19.899 --> 00:12:25.159 a, what do you call it? For a while, like, you 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:27.379 know, only the leadership positions were all 00:12:27.379 --> 00:12:30.360 Gaspinar, but Katerin's a cool gal. She was like, 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.539 some of these Ungol are pretty cool. Why don't 00:12:32.539 --> 00:12:38.200 they can be in charge of places? Why not? So, 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.080 yeah, you know, so that's, and we got Kislev. 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:50.220 It's semi -dynamic, but also kind of not. Okay. 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:54.299 It's, I mean, I'll show what I mean by that. 00:12:55.019 --> 00:12:57.759 Here's a map that came out with the release of 00:12:57.759 --> 00:12:59.759 the old world. I'll send this just to you for 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:02.200 some reference, right? Okay. So I'm seeing a 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:09.320 bear with an axe, a big old lion. a corgi and 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:13.159 like bear claw and another frowny face bear two 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:19.419 frowny face bears okay and ogres yeah uh ogres 00:13:19.419 --> 00:13:23.860 are greed skids said you know what it's uh what 00:13:23.860 --> 00:13:25.419 i meant by like you know they kind of expand 00:13:25.419 --> 00:13:27.299 or they're not like this was a at the height 00:13:27.299 --> 00:13:30.539 of keith lives uh territorial expansion because 00:13:30.539 --> 00:13:34.980 they they did for a little bit pardon me they 00:13:34.980 --> 00:13:36.960 had a pretty decent empire for a while right 00:13:38.110 --> 00:13:41.950 It was a lot of mountains and cold regions, but 00:13:41.950 --> 00:13:44.889 they got far enough. They were kind of pushing 00:13:44.889 --> 00:13:47.570 into Norsca for a little bit. And if you look 00:13:47.570 --> 00:13:51.049 close on that map at the rightmost edge, you 00:13:51.049 --> 00:13:53.549 can see something called the Dark Citadel. Yeah. 00:13:54.450 --> 00:13:58.169 Kislev was kind of outside the Chaos Dwarf tent 00:13:58.169 --> 00:14:00.789 pissing in for a little bit. Oh, yeah. To be 00:14:00.789 --> 00:14:03.399 fair. Opposite side, I like there's just a bit 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.759 that says troll country. Like, wow, that sounds 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:08.980 fun. Yeah, we'll talk about that in a little 00:14:08.980 --> 00:14:14.179 bit. It is what it is. And there's also a lot 00:14:14.179 --> 00:14:16.240 of skull and crossbones everywhere throughout 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:17.840 the mountains. It's like skull, skull, skull, 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:22.220 skull. Yeah, those are the world's edge mountains. 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:29.559 They kind of suck. I mean, they're not great. 00:14:31.860 --> 00:14:37.519 So, yeah. We got Kislev now. It would expand, 00:14:37.659 --> 00:14:39.759 it would shrink. This was, like I said, the greatest 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.080 extent of their territory come Modern Warhammer 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:45.100 Fantasy. There was definitely less Kislev than 00:14:45.100 --> 00:14:48.220 there was before, but probably makes it a little 00:14:48.220 --> 00:14:50.220 easier to defend when you don't gotta worry about 00:14:50.220 --> 00:14:52.899 too much chaos going all over the place, right? 00:14:56.220 --> 00:15:01.740 So, hey. Now we get Kislev. Cool. Pardon me. 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.820 So going forward, things were good. And by this 00:15:05.820 --> 00:15:09.019 point, the other firm thing Kiesel has established 00:15:09.019 --> 00:15:13.620 itself as, as you mentioned, they are the first 00:15:13.620 --> 00:15:17.779 line of defense that chaos bulldozes into whenever 00:15:17.779 --> 00:15:20.500 it's time for another ever -chosen to take a 00:15:20.500 --> 00:15:26.039 crack at the world. There are, for example, there 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:30.200 are... mostly the uh the country the little empire 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:34.039 province of nordland so northland the northmost 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:37.620 one probably gets more norscan raiders than anywhere 00:15:37.620 --> 00:15:41.139 else but they have to cross you know it's called 00:15:41.139 --> 00:15:44.240 the sea of claws uh they got to cross that if 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:46.679 they want to get to nordland right so even if 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:49.120 you know they're they're the norskins are vikings 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:54.039 so even then they're uh They're good at sailing, 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.460 right? But it's a thing. They still, you know, 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:58.279 you got to build the boat. You got to get enough 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:00.700 people together with you to sail it. You got 00:16:00.700 --> 00:16:03.240 to make your way back then. And I'm assuming 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.159 it mimics real life Vikings where the land's 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:10.320 very difficult to grow things on. So they resorted 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:12.100 to raiding and pillaging a lot because it was 00:16:12.100 --> 00:16:15.240 like, oh, this place sucks to cultivate. We'll 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.460 just go to another country and nick their stuff 00:16:17.460 --> 00:16:20.440 because we're really hardy people. We're good 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.259 at fighting. We're good at sailing. and then 00:16:23.259 --> 00:16:25.080 we'll just take the stuff we need and we'll do 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:29.960 it to survive. Like, oh, okay. Got to make friends 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:37.440 that way, don't you? But it's, so yeah, that's 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.419 part of why they do it. But either way, right, 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:42.559 that you need some work, even if you're an expert 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:44.779 sailor, putting together the boat and all that, 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.159 that takes some effort, right? For Kislev, there's 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:53.039 no barrier like that. You just walk south. Kislev, 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:57.419 especially the northern bits, at any given time 00:16:57.419 --> 00:17:00.659 probably has just dozens of chaos raiding parties 00:17:00.659 --> 00:17:05.039 just coming in to try and wreck shop. The downside 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:08.720 is, I mean, that's kind of obvious, right? When 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:12.980 you border part of the chaos bits of the planet, 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:14.940 there's going to be a lot of creatures, like 00:17:14.940 --> 00:17:17.519 a lot of beastmen. There's a lot of mutated monstrosities 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.559 up there. Fun fact, they're the... talk a little 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:22.079 more about it but there's a skaven settlement 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.759 up there for the uh the frankenstein clan because 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:27.720 there's just so much good monster up there they 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:30.440 have a field day having fun with making worse 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:35.759 monsters oh it's called hell pit oh what a lovely 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:39.859 name for a place yeah uh but yeah the downside 00:17:39.859 --> 00:17:43.119 is pretty obvious you let you border chaos it's 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:46.569 not good uh even At least they had to go through 00:17:46.569 --> 00:17:48.849 a little bit of space for Cadia, right? Yeah. 00:17:48.910 --> 00:17:50.950 They had to get in a spaceship. No, they don't 00:17:50.950 --> 00:17:53.029 got to do that. They just kind of walk. A few 00:17:53.029 --> 00:17:55.869 light years where it's like the block over. Oh, 00:17:55.990 --> 00:18:01.349 no. Yeah. Great. And that will lead to plenty 00:18:01.349 --> 00:18:06.829 of destruction and misery and bad crap. Brightside. 00:18:07.329 --> 00:18:11.869 This has turned Kislevites into damn fine warriors 00:18:11.869 --> 00:18:16.480 in pretty much any regard you could want. uh 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.400 especially again once the ever chosen gets rolling 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:21.819 uh that's much like you know the black crusades 00:18:21.819 --> 00:18:25.619 and 40k so whenever chosen gets rolling it's 00:18:25.619 --> 00:18:28.880 it's initially it's really just always just kislev 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:33.279 uh 1v1ing the united front of all the chaos gods 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:35.359 and their followers bulldoze again so they've 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:38.480 had to like one dude with his shirt off holding 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.630 a claymore with like blue paint all down his 00:18:41.630 --> 00:18:44.650 face, shouting with a massive beard, and being 00:18:44.650 --> 00:18:46.710 like, oh, he's kind of tough. Don't like him. 00:18:46.769 --> 00:18:48.849 He's scary. Even the Chaos Demon. Oh, that guy's 00:18:48.849 --> 00:18:53.609 burly. They've had to get good. And they have. 00:18:53.750 --> 00:18:55.829 They have in pretty much every way. Kisamite 00:18:55.829 --> 00:19:01.250 armies are... Which is, again, we'll go back. 00:19:01.289 --> 00:19:02.849 This is kind of going to be a little all -over 00:19:02.849 --> 00:19:06.440 episode. well again you were kind of you were 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:08.460 asking like are they main because they've got 00:19:08.460 --> 00:19:10.380 the total war but are they not are they kind 00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:13.980 of a background thing the answer is yes okay 00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:18.480 uh and again like whatever keys live is mentioned 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:20.339 they are without a doubt mentioned it's like 00:19:20.339 --> 00:19:23.400 some of the short of like chaos warriors they're 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.680 just built differently because they need to be 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:28.920 built differently because they border hell So 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:31.660 whenever chaos invades, whatever army does get 00:19:31.660 --> 00:19:33.200 to, you know, the Empire and the rest of the 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:35.880 world is almost without a doubt significantly 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:40.039 weaker than when it started. The flip side is, 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.740 again, Kislev does get the brunt of the chaos 00:19:42.740 --> 00:19:45.339 invasion. Like when it's at the freshest, everyone's 00:19:45.339 --> 00:19:47.920 raring to go. They've just left the wastes or 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:50.640 Norsca or the realm of chaos if it's a demon. 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:55.339 So usually these kind of things end with Kislev. 00:19:56.109 --> 00:19:59.089 being rather more on fire than it was prior to 00:19:59.089 --> 00:20:03.170 the chaos invasions. But I'll give them credit. 00:20:03.230 --> 00:20:08.829 They bounce back phenomenally well. So, let's 00:20:08.829 --> 00:20:11.829 get a little bit about the country, right? It 00:20:11.829 --> 00:20:16.589 is much like every human nation in Warhammer 00:20:16.589 --> 00:20:20.869 fantasy. take X Earth cultures and jam them together. 00:20:21.069 --> 00:20:23.890 This is the Slavic super stew of Warhammer fantasy. 00:20:24.470 --> 00:20:28.450 To the point that the Total War devs had some 00:20:28.450 --> 00:20:30.369 fun and sometimes your warriors will just be 00:20:30.369 --> 00:20:32.309 squatting on the battlefield if there's no enemy 00:20:32.309 --> 00:20:36.690 nearby. They're doing the slob squat. We have 00:20:36.690 --> 00:20:40.690 a pineapple care. Oh, you say that. There's nothing 00:20:40.690 --> 00:20:43.289 a Kislevite loves more than a nice bottle of 00:20:43.289 --> 00:20:47.460 kvass. Uh -huh. to the point that even the dwarfs 00:20:47.460 --> 00:20:49.799 respect their drinking prowess. Is it perchance 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:53.339 a clear liquid that resembles water? It perchance 00:20:53.339 --> 00:20:58.119 may be a clear liquid that remembers water. Fair 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:01.900 enough. Yeah, they love themselves a good drink, 00:21:01.980 --> 00:21:06.200 which Felix learned the hard way, that kvass, 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:08.660 yes, that is just vodka you're chugging. Yeah. 00:21:11.180 --> 00:21:15.400 Yeah, so it's a fairly... in comparison to a 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:17.720 lot of other of the Warhammer places. It's a 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.680 very centralized realm. Everything is based out 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:30.160 of Kislev city. And it's all very Slavic. If 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.980 you take away the S and the L in Kislev, you 00:21:33.980 --> 00:21:38.339 get Kiev. Yeah. If you haven't noticed, so there's 00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:41.259 that. Did you know that one of the most important 00:21:41.259 --> 00:21:44.740 cities is just called Prague? Oh. Fair enough. 00:21:44.900 --> 00:21:50.920 E -R -A -A -G. It's Prague. They have the winged 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:56.500 Hussars. It's just the winged Hussars. It's very, 00:21:56.660 --> 00:21:59.940 very Pekoslavic country and throw it together. 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:02.359 Do they do the dance where it's like you bend 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:05.259 your knees and you kick them out, like in Team 00:22:05.259 --> 00:22:07.839 Fortress 2? Do they do that? You know, I don't 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:10.640 know. I don't know if that's confirmed, but I'm 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:15.690 assuming that if... It wouldn't be unheard of 00:22:15.690 --> 00:22:19.230 if the Kislevites were doing that. And I'm sure 00:22:19.230 --> 00:22:22.990 if the setting progressed to modern times or 00:22:22.990 --> 00:22:26.170 an equivalent, there would be the hard base. 00:22:28.609 --> 00:22:35.349 It's ruled by... There's some fighting going 00:22:35.349 --> 00:22:42.990 on over that. They have a Tsar or Tsarina. Just 00:22:42.990 --> 00:22:45.369 again, you're really going to understand what 00:22:45.369 --> 00:22:54.509 this is. Who rules over the country? And they 00:22:54.509 --> 00:22:59.890 historically do a solid job. Again, it's I feel 00:22:59.890 --> 00:23:01.690 like you need to give there's like a baseline 00:23:01.690 --> 00:23:04.009 level of credit. Everything Kiesel needs to get. 00:23:04.460 --> 00:23:06.240 Because it's a nation that's held itself together 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:09.119 on the footsteps of chaos for a thousand years. 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:14.299 There's a baseline level of competence everyone 00:23:14.299 --> 00:23:20.359 needs to have to do that, right? You can't be 00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:23.119 an idiot and live on the chaos waste. No. I'm 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:25.900 assuming they're very serious. Very little joviality. 00:23:25.900 --> 00:23:29.819 Very little humor. Or maybe gallows humor. You 00:23:29.819 --> 00:23:33.559 know, actually, some of them... A lot of them 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:35.380 are like that, but some of them are pretty jolly. 00:23:36.259 --> 00:23:38.660 From Godric and Felix book, for example, all 00:23:38.660 --> 00:23:43.059 reliable for references. Ulrica's dad, very like 00:23:43.059 --> 00:23:46.759 jolly bear of a man. He's like seven feet tall, 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:51.259 about as wide, made out of pure muscle. And he 00:23:51.259 --> 00:23:55.160 slaps you on the back, shoves a bottle in your 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:56.839 hand and says, we're going to drink tonight and 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:01.359 have fun. I would say they've made the best of 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.579 the region they're in. A lot of them are definitely 00:24:03.579 --> 00:24:06.980 like that grim, almost Krieg kind of style. Especially 00:24:06.980 --> 00:24:09.319 if it's one of those time periods right after 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:13.660 chaos has just bulldozed through. Do some people 00:24:13.660 --> 00:24:15.859 from Kiesler occasionally go like, I'm getting 00:24:15.859 --> 00:24:17.619 the hell out of this place. This place sucks. 00:24:17.779 --> 00:24:25.779 I'm just going to get further south? Not too 00:24:25.779 --> 00:24:29.440 often. okay temporarily that will happen uh if 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:31.440 refugees might need to go to the empire if it's 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.180 one of the really bad chaos invasions and the 00:24:34.180 --> 00:24:37.099 main cities are burning but they will by and 00:24:37.099 --> 00:24:40.440 large they're actually quite proud of of where 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.099 they make their home uh they view the uh the 00:24:43.099 --> 00:24:46.619 empire as weak southerners uh who uh don't know 00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:50.220 how to properly stand and fight it's it's more 00:24:50.220 --> 00:24:52.339 of a rivalry fun little thing there are sometimes 00:24:52.339 --> 00:24:54.380 wars i'm gonna be honest but it's mostly like 00:24:54.380 --> 00:24:58.259 a fun little like weakling little, let me show 00:24:58.259 --> 00:25:01.160 you how it's done kind of deal, right? Zangief 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:05.940 show you how to fight. But no, they are actually, 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.380 by and large, quite proud of that. And then even 00:25:08.380 --> 00:25:10.380 in Kislev with the young goals in the north, 00:25:10.420 --> 00:25:12.279 that kind of repeats itself, them calling the 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:15.160 Gospodar, like the weakling southerners who've 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:20.539 taken to imperial culture too much. Yeah, no, 00:25:20.619 --> 00:25:23.259 that's... It's mostly pretty well. It's ruled 00:25:23.259 --> 00:25:25.960 by the Tsarina and all the governing bodies below 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:29.660 them. It's divided for government purposes into 00:25:29.660 --> 00:25:34.000 realms called Oblists, which I'm sure that is 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:38.420 just some Eastern European languages word for 00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:44.680 like some governing body, right? Yeah. I'm not 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:46.980 entirely... I don't think that's completely unique, 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.339 but I don't speak any of those languages, so 00:25:49.339 --> 00:25:52.420 I can't confirm. I've just been reading, I'm 00:25:52.420 --> 00:25:54.299 just looking at the rest of their lore, so I 00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:56.079 don't want to give them too much credit based 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:02.700 off of precedence. Yeah, you've got the, you 00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:06.079 know, we'll go down up. Southern Obelisk, right? 00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:10.720 It's the least crap one. Okay. No, it's the warmest 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.059 one, which means it's got the main farming and 00:26:13.059 --> 00:26:15.079 all the foresting and all that stuff you need. 00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:18.640 Depending on where you're at, you might even 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:21.140 think you're in the Empire. And depending on 00:26:21.140 --> 00:26:23.160 what moment in the setting's history, that may 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:25.119 or may not be true as one of their border wars 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.240 gets a little bit too hot. But by and large, 00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:30.859 this is, you know, Kislev's breadbasket area. 00:26:30.940 --> 00:26:32.779 This is where a lot of trade happens because, 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.259 you know, it's right next to the Empire and even 00:26:35.259 --> 00:26:42.720 a couple dwarf places, dwarf realms. It's a solid 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:47.160 enough place to live. It's where, again, most 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:49.740 of the politics play out. Like if anyone's coming 00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:51.740 to visit Kislev, they're going here because this 00:26:51.740 --> 00:26:56.180 is where Kislev, the city, is located. It's pretty 00:26:56.180 --> 00:26:58.980 solid. And looking at the, I'm assuming the border 00:26:58.980 --> 00:27:00.799 that's on this map, it's a bit cut off. I can't 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.180 see the one that's near Griffin's Wood. But is 00:27:03.180 --> 00:27:05.519 that like the empire right there? Are those empire 00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:08.900 territories? Yeah, down there. Down there, that's, 00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:11.599 if you see like that red dotted line, that's 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.920 the border of the two realms. Yeah. So yeah, 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:20.059 that's the empire. Yeah. You know, Southern Obelisk, 00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:24.339 solid place. It's Warhammer, so there's Beastmen, 00:27:24.500 --> 00:27:27.279 there's Orcs, there's problems. But all things 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:31.579 considered, not a bad place to be. Eastern Obelisk 00:27:31.579 --> 00:27:37.720 is very cold. It's mostly a lot of frozen steps. 00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:42.980 A lot more dangerous. With a lot of, just a lot 00:27:42.980 --> 00:27:49.339 more green skin and chaos problems. It's a much 00:27:49.339 --> 00:27:54.019 rougher place to be. It's a lot more... This 00:27:54.019 --> 00:27:56.559 is where the Gospodars and the Ungols are pretty 00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:58.940 mixed. This is where a lot of that friendship 00:27:58.940 --> 00:28:02.140 making is going on. It's a good place. At least 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:08.240 for that. But it is a very dangerous place otherwise. 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.480 Just because of the increased level of threat. 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.880 It's more northern. This isn't perfect. north, 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.380 south, east, west. It's a country. There's some 00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:22.079 blurred lines in how the organizing goes, right? 00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:26.440 So it does have some problems. It also indeed 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.259 has the northernmost main city of Kislev, which 00:28:30.259 --> 00:28:33.839 is that Prague place. It's called the Haunted 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.079 City. Oh. Because one day during one of those 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:41.400 ever -chosen invasions, right? Actually, the 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.720 Great War of Chaos, which was the second largest 00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:49.569 one. until Archeon blew up the planet. Prague 00:28:49.569 --> 00:28:53.950 basically had to be rebuilt from scratch. Okay. 00:28:55.829 --> 00:28:59.190 And it was so corrupted by chaos that they got 00:28:59.190 --> 00:29:02.470 rid of the worst of it. But there's a lot of 00:29:02.470 --> 00:29:04.609 people born with just like some kind of mutation. 00:29:05.549 --> 00:29:09.809 Sometimes ghosts just wander the city, just tormented 00:29:09.809 --> 00:29:13.190 spirits corrupted by chaos. That's just something 00:29:13.190 --> 00:29:16.960 that happens. it's just it's just a you know 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.079 it's it's just an occupational hazard in the 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:24.819 city uh it's a lot like entire regions are still 00:29:24.819 --> 00:29:28.400 abandoned and they're just like dumpster fires 00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:30.700 that are also magically corrupted and haunted 00:29:30.700 --> 00:29:34.400 it's not great yeah i mean looking at the map 00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.019 again it's like oh that's the you get all these 00:29:37.019 --> 00:29:39.700 like cities and it's like in a forest in a forest 00:29:39.700 --> 00:29:41.720 kids love city and then it's like this one's 00:29:42.259 --> 00:29:45.460 empty so there's a big river going through and 00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:47.380 then like as you get to the west it's just like 00:29:47.380 --> 00:29:51.720 nothing just barren barren barren barren uh so 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.599 yeah you can see that prague's been through it 00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.539 a bit of a tough time yeah it should be said 00:29:56.539 --> 00:30:00.380 that you know there's when it isn't it's one 00:30:00.380 --> 00:30:02.599 of the main cities of kislev so it is very well 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:04.700 defended there's a lot of outlying defenses it 00:30:04.700 --> 00:30:08.440 has when it is an ever chosen season it's not 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.880 the worst place to live It's actually, you know, 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.940 it's got a big park like in it named after Emperor 00:30:15.940 --> 00:30:18.599 Magnus the Pious because he helped kind of clear 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.619 up the Great War and chaos. There's a lot of 00:30:21.619 --> 00:30:23.900 there is a decent amount of trade and a lot of 00:30:23.900 --> 00:30:26.599 silver, a lot of other like valuable metals. 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:33.660 It's. You know, there's a. It has its positives. 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:39.099 It has its positive. It's just like. It's not 00:30:39.099 --> 00:30:42.640 great. It's still, it's a haunted city. Like, 00:30:42.660 --> 00:30:44.480 there's a lot of chaos corruption in it still. 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.220 Just like, they try and burn out and they get 00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:49.559 a little bit of it. Like, they slowly can get 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:51.319 a little bit of it and then another chaos horde 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.000 invades and it's like, eh, we're back to square 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.759 one. Time to clean it up again. Yeah. So, it's 00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:00.240 rough. But it does have, you know, again, another 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.980 positive. It's kind of where Kislev has its contact 00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:06.420 with Cathay, with the Silk Road or the Ivory 00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:09.029 Road, depending on how... copyright -friendly 00:31:09.029 --> 00:31:12.230 GWs with history at the moment. It's, you know, 00:31:12.230 --> 00:31:14.210 it's got some stuff like that. And this place 00:31:14.210 --> 00:31:18.049 is, for what it's worth, it is a fortress. Yeah. 00:31:18.549 --> 00:31:20.890 Like, dwarf rune magic on the cannons, on the 00:31:20.890 --> 00:31:24.009 walls. It's probably some elf stuff, just they 00:31:24.009 --> 00:31:26.369 were like, anyone want to help us hold off chaos? 00:31:26.470 --> 00:31:28.910 I'm sure some elf at some point was probably 00:31:28.910 --> 00:31:32.470 invested. Cannons right from the Empire 2. This 00:31:32.470 --> 00:31:35.809 is, yeah. Are other nations quite sympathetic 00:31:35.809 --> 00:31:38.190 to their plight and give them lots of stuff just 00:31:38.190 --> 00:31:39.990 for their own self -interest to be like, hey, 00:31:40.089 --> 00:31:41.809 we'll give you some guns, we'll give you some 00:31:41.809 --> 00:31:44.470 stuff, some materials, because we don't want 00:31:44.470 --> 00:31:45.750 to have to deal with chaos, so you deal with 00:31:45.750 --> 00:31:47.690 it, or are they kind of dispassionate, like, 00:31:47.769 --> 00:31:49.869 oh, it's your problem, isn't it? I'll wait until 00:31:49.869 --> 00:31:52.589 they come to my doorstep. The Empire and the 00:31:52.589 --> 00:31:55.589 Dwarves actually do. Because, again, they're 00:31:55.589 --> 00:31:58.809 like, the Dwarves, they do like Kislev as well, 00:31:58.910 --> 00:32:01.509 and the Empire is also aware of the fact, like, 00:32:01.509 --> 00:32:04.099 this is... This is the speed bump for chaos. 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.680 Yeah, let's give the speed bump teeth. The Empire's 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.220 like, these are our neighbors. We should be nice 00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:11.660 to them. And Dwarves are like, they can hold 00:32:11.660 --> 00:32:14.319 that alcohol. Let's give them a hand. Like, nice. 00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:20.180 Brilliant. Dwarves. Yeah. It's... The city burns 00:32:20.180 --> 00:32:21.920 down a lot, but they always build it right back 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:23.819 up, and it may be haunted, but, you know, they 00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:28.940 do their best. So, eh. You know, it's not too 00:32:28.940 --> 00:32:34.000 bad. I mean, I definitely wouldn't want to live 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.420 here, but it could be worse. Again, there's a 00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:38.359 lot of entertainment districts in this city, 00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:41.500 which is, again, a plot point in Godric and Felix, 00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:43.880 as the dwarfs all go to the brothel. And it's 00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:45.559 not Skavenblight, so you're doing pretty well 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:48.859 in comparison to that. No, you can always be 00:32:48.859 --> 00:32:51.460 thankful it's not Skavenblight. Although that 00:32:51.460 --> 00:32:54.900 is kind of like the lowest bar to clear. Also, 00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:59.180 fun fact, there used to be a Chaos God of Law 00:32:59.180 --> 00:33:02.759 entombed under the city. in a coffin made out 00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.900 of gromwell yeah that uh that was a thing in 00:33:04.900 --> 00:33:08.259 old fantasy the chaos gods of law and then because 00:33:08.259 --> 00:33:11.799 of if my understanding of british copyright law 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:14.440 is correct that was an independent contractor 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.400 who wrote that for gw so he got to keep the intellectual 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.940 property rights yeah so gw would have to pay 00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:23.940 him to use that lady again so they uh just decided 00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:26.920 not to yeah and that's why there's so many weird 00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.359 retcons or things i never pursued because like 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.869 oh yeah Why isn't Fulgrim clone coming back? 00:33:32.970 --> 00:33:35.089 It's like, well, because that's that writer's 00:33:35.089 --> 00:33:38.950 work, and he doesn't have to be tethered to GW 00:33:38.950 --> 00:33:40.609 for the rest of his life. So they're just like, 00:33:40.650 --> 00:33:42.670 oh, just leave it alone. Leave it alone. We don't 00:33:42.670 --> 00:33:45.970 want to pay him any royalties. Yeah. But hey, 00:33:46.029 --> 00:33:47.710 at some point in Warhammer history, there was 00:33:47.710 --> 00:33:50.089 a chaos god just taking a nap, kind of like the 00:33:50.089 --> 00:33:55.890 lion. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that's Prague. And 00:33:55.890 --> 00:33:57.990 the Eastern Oblast is otherwise like a lot of... 00:33:58.539 --> 00:34:04.180 feral regions. There's a lot of witches called 00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:08.599 hags in Kislev that honestly just picture something 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.900 called a hag witch and whatever you come up with 00:34:11.900 --> 00:34:13.360 in your mind is not going to be that far off 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:17.599 the mark. This is where, fun fact, Baba Yaga 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:22.530 lives. Kislev has Baba Yaga. John Wick. That 00:34:22.530 --> 00:34:25.789 would be really funny. I think in older lore 00:34:25.789 --> 00:34:28.389 they did just call her Baba Yaga or some very 00:34:28.389 --> 00:34:30.829 similar name, but now it's Mother Astankia as 00:34:30.829 --> 00:34:36.550 of Total Warhammer. But she's Baba Yaga. Okay. 00:34:37.090 --> 00:34:42.090 There's a lot of haunted forests, some of them 00:34:42.090 --> 00:34:44.909 chaos related, some of them more like Eastern 00:34:44.909 --> 00:34:48.519 European folklore, which... haunted forest kind 00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:50.800 of deal because in war have sometimes there's 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.599 just a haunted forest it's not chaos it's just 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:57.619 like that uh these uh there's the there's the 00:34:57.619 --> 00:35:02.059 uh pardon me and uh here i'll bring it up again 00:35:02.059 --> 00:35:04.800 for one of the new ones uh the next ones but 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:06.360 this is where you start seeing a lot of those 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.820 little outposts kislev has like in the northern 00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:12.000 part of their country They're like fairly isolated, 00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:14.360 but there's a whole lot of them, relatively speaking, 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:16.900 like little outposts, like these watchtowers, 00:35:16.900 --> 00:35:22.179 fortresses, like mini forts that are the, hey, 00:35:22.300 --> 00:35:27.840 chaos is a coming, go ward the cities. So once 00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.340 we get to here, you'll start seeing more and 00:35:30.340 --> 00:35:35.139 more of those as we go farther north. The Western 00:35:35.139 --> 00:35:41.429 Oblast is mostly not. Not too much in it, except 00:35:41.429 --> 00:35:43.730 for one important place, the city of Arangrad, 00:35:43.889 --> 00:35:50.869 which is trade capital of the old world. It's 00:35:50.869 --> 00:35:54.670 a very rich place, although it's built with wood. 00:35:56.710 --> 00:36:01.449 It's not too far from both Kislev and the Empire. 00:36:01.809 --> 00:36:03.329 It's kind of like equal distance between the 00:36:03.329 --> 00:36:10.300 two. It's pretty solidly placed. Yeah, it's a 00:36:10.300 --> 00:36:13.179 very cosmopolitan city. It's where a lot of trade 00:36:13.179 --> 00:36:17.340 is. There's cults to all the different sea gods 00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:20.860 there. It's actually the only place where Kislevite 00:36:20.860 --> 00:36:25.159 gods are worshipped in a minority. It's a rich 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:27.699 trading city. Is there some kind of Elder Scrolls 00:36:27.699 --> 00:36:31.000 shenanigans going on here? Like, is he God? Is 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:35.940 he a man who can't worship him? Not quite that. 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.380 It's just, you know, there's a... What is it? 00:36:39.449 --> 00:36:42.690 It's just there's a lot of mixing and matching 00:36:42.690 --> 00:36:44.590 of cultures in this city because it's the trade 00:36:44.590 --> 00:36:48.070 capital. Okay. It's just everyone worships someone 00:36:48.070 --> 00:36:49.949 different. It's all over the place here. Okay. 00:36:49.989 --> 00:36:52.929 As long as it's not chaos, you can do what you 00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:54.949 want. Yeah. As long as it doesn't have tentacles 00:36:54.949 --> 00:36:56.909 and too many eyes, you'll be all right. Don't 00:36:56.909 --> 00:37:01.690 worry about it. Yeah. Or Nagash. Or the big skeleton 00:37:01.690 --> 00:37:05.030 man himself. Yeah. Yeah. And then we get to the 00:37:05.030 --> 00:37:12.059 Northern Oblast, which sucks. There's no major 00:37:12.059 --> 00:37:15.820 towns like Prague or Ehrengrad or Kislev City. 00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:20.099 It's a hole. Even settlements are rare. It's 00:37:20.099 --> 00:37:25.940 mostly those fortress camps or tribal nomads. 00:37:26.139 --> 00:37:30.460 It's mostly just icy steppes and crap wasteland. 00:37:31.579 --> 00:37:34.420 This is where we find that troll country place, 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:40.239 right? Yeah. Theoretically, Kislev owns it. theoretically 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:44.619 yeah uh in practice there's a whole lot of trolls 00:37:44.619 --> 00:37:48.559 and other chaos corrupted monsters and norscan 00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:55.880 marauders and it just sucks like anything that 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:02.619 is built here really only exists to like act 00:38:02.619 --> 00:38:04.920 as a speed bump to chaos when they're coming 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.420 through right It does look like there's a pretty 00:38:07.420 --> 00:38:09.739 good dwarf presence in the north, though. In 00:38:09.739 --> 00:38:12.599 the mountains, at least. I'm seeing several dwarven 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.860 heads. There seems to be a lot of them. You know, 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.860 I guess that does bear a little bit of mentioning. 00:38:20.300 --> 00:38:27.159 Okay. Those are the Norse dwarves who were cut 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.599 off from the rest of their kin. Norse dwarves? 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:34.219 That's cool. Indeed. They developed, you know, 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.619 kind of differently, their own traditions. Made 00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:39.980 some friends with the surrounding Norskins who 00:38:39.980 --> 00:38:41.679 were not chaos worshippers, because there's a 00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:46.519 few of those. And then they died. Oh, they're 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:50.199 gone. They got, if I remember correctly, they 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.699 got murdered in the Great War Against Chaos. 00:38:53.420 --> 00:38:55.780 Oh. No more. That's a shame. Although I think 00:38:55.780 --> 00:38:58.239 Thorgrim did grab a couple of them and rescue 00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.219 them, so that's something. Because I'm not being... 00:39:00.940 --> 00:39:03.539 I'm not being funny. A Norse gun riding a bear 00:39:03.539 --> 00:39:06.880 cavalry is kind of cool. A Norse dwarf riding 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.840 a bear would be awesome. I'd pay money to do 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.559 that. That would be pretty sick. Yeah. You are 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.719 right. They are there, but they're not there 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:27.360 for long. Poor guys. Yeah. Yeah, they die off. 00:39:27.539 --> 00:39:35.190 Yeah. But yeah, so Northern Oblast sucks. It's 00:39:35.190 --> 00:39:40.050 not great. Really, it's just shit. This is like 00:39:40.050 --> 00:39:43.570 the most stereotypical of the you are the front 00:39:43.570 --> 00:39:46.530 line against chaos place. It's a lot of like 00:39:46.530 --> 00:39:49.650 skirmishing forces. And, you know, like with 00:39:49.650 --> 00:39:52.190 the few, you know, Kislevites that are up here, 00:39:52.329 --> 00:39:55.469 like their main job will usually be half of you. 00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:58.500 Like some of you go send message that the problems 00:39:58.500 --> 00:40:00.039 are coming and the rest of them will kind of 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.739 like flank the chaos horde, you know, skirmish 00:40:04.739 --> 00:40:06.940 a little bit, do some harrying tactics and then 00:40:06.940 --> 00:40:11.699 run away. And that's so, you know, it's a, it's 00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:14.679 a, even ignoring ever chosen, there is a constant 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.360 level of like small art, small grade warfare 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:25.769 going on here. Not fun. Let's see. Let's see. 00:40:25.929 --> 00:40:29.469 Religion. Religion's always fun, right? Okay. 00:40:29.650 --> 00:40:32.489 If the Black Templars have told us anything, 00:40:32.670 --> 00:40:39.590 religion is fun. Okay. Yeah. There's a few different 00:40:39.590 --> 00:40:42.909 gods they have, and some of this is newer stuff, 00:40:43.150 --> 00:40:51.389 right? Let's start with the first guy, right? 00:40:51.550 --> 00:40:57.159 We got Urson. Urson is the bear god. He's the 00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:59.179 god of bears and strength and, of course, the 00:40:59.179 --> 00:41:01.780 winter. And I believe it was Total War that made 00:41:01.780 --> 00:41:03.639 this a thing, but it might have been mentioned 00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:05.360 before. But I know Total War Hammer was, if not 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.079 the first, at least the most recent to kind of 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.119 do it. And it did bring them back into the spotlight. 00:41:09.539 --> 00:41:11.860 When he roars, it heralds the end of winter. 00:41:12.380 --> 00:41:14.659 At least in Total Warhammer was a problem because 00:41:14.659 --> 00:41:16.320 he didn't do that for like a decade and everyone 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:19.619 was kind of freezing to death. You reminded me 00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:21.780 of Game of Thrones. So in Game of Thrones, their 00:41:21.780 --> 00:41:24.440 winters can last. They don't last like a season. 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.619 They last as much as several years. Is there 00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:32.780 any like quirk of Warhammer fantasy seasons where 00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:35.440 it lasts several years of summer or several years 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.139 of winter? Or is it literally every year it's 00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:40.320 the same? Or do we not know? Well, if Urson doesn't 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:44.480 roar, the winter doesn't go away. So when Bellacor 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.960 locked him up for a while, that caused problems. 00:41:47.260 --> 00:41:53.500 Oh, okay. But even with that, he's a solid god. 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.300 He's a pretty cool dude. All around, yeah. He's 00:41:58.300 --> 00:42:00.480 the national patron. He's their war god as well. 00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:10.389 He's a cool dude. Cool dude. He's a... I just 00:42:10.389 --> 00:42:12.969 quite like this image, so I'm just going to send 00:42:12.969 --> 00:42:16.989 this to you. Sometimes, at least in Total War, 00:42:17.150 --> 00:42:21.590 he is just a very big bear, right? Yep. Sometimes 00:42:21.590 --> 00:42:24.510 he's a bear pretending to be a human being, as 00:42:24.510 --> 00:42:29.050 you'll see in this image. Wow. Yoked. That guy 00:42:29.050 --> 00:42:32.389 is yoked. He's like Tarzan's dad. What's going 00:42:32.389 --> 00:42:41.460 on there? Yeah. Izzy. 100 % muscle by volume. 00:42:41.699 --> 00:42:44.380 Yeah, he's liver king without the roids. Wow, 00:42:44.619 --> 00:42:49.400 that's crazy. Yeah. He's a cool dude. Defends 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.219 Kislev, lets the winter end, at least when he's 00:42:52.219 --> 00:42:57.300 able to roar and blow away the winter. He's not 00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:04.559 the state religion necessarily, but the Kislevites 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.300 do have, especially with the newer lore they've 00:43:07.300 --> 00:43:11.340 gotten, A very religious branch, the great orthodoxy, 00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:15.639 who you will properly worship the gods and the 00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:18.960 spirits. And if you're a wizard, such as that 00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:21.400 heretic ice witch we have to call our queen, 00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:26.539 you might get burned at the stake if no one is 00:43:26.539 --> 00:43:29.900 stopping them. Oh. And fires of fortune and keys, 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:33.960 they're like, we need this. We really hate you 00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:39.179 if we're burning you. Yeah. And speaking of, 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:44.320 there's the god. It's D -A -Z -H. D -A -Z -H. 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:50.739 Daz or Daz. Daz. It might be Daz. He's got a 00:43:50.739 --> 00:43:53.179 fire and sun and stuff like that, which can fire 00:43:53.179 --> 00:43:56.460 quite important in Kislev. He gets very cold. 00:43:58.219 --> 00:44:03.519 And Tor. T -O -R. Thunder and lightning. He's 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:07.059 not really... He's one of the big three of the 00:44:07.059 --> 00:44:09.860 traditional gods, but there's not too much... 00:44:09.860 --> 00:44:13.659 He's not too much talked about, to be honest, 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:15.940 which is funny because he's supposedly also the 00:44:15.940 --> 00:44:18.920 most active one. Well, you know why. It's because 00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:20.980 games work, so I don't want to get sued by everyone 00:44:20.980 --> 00:44:23.239 who depicts Thor in any of this. We took the 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.840 H out. I don't know. I want to get you. I want 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:30.039 to sue you. Yeah, who knows? Or maybe that was 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:37.809 that even just that is too much for him. Thor 00:44:37.809 --> 00:44:41.889 is here. Thor. He throws lightning at people. 00:44:42.050 --> 00:44:45.369 He's a god of lightning and thunder. You can 00:44:45.369 --> 00:44:48.389 probably figure out. Does he have a hammer? He 00:44:48.389 --> 00:44:50.889 does not, actually. They held off from that one. 00:44:52.190 --> 00:44:55.210 The lengths they will get through in order to 00:44:55.210 --> 00:44:59.349 avoid copyright is astounding. He does have an 00:44:59.349 --> 00:45:03.170 axe, though, so we're not that far off. Okay, 00:45:03.170 --> 00:45:08.869 so he's for Ragnarok, God of War Ragnarok, but 00:45:08.869 --> 00:45:11.710 he stole Kratos' axe. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. 00:45:12.409 --> 00:45:15.690 He was worshipped by... There was once a third 00:45:15.690 --> 00:45:21.230 group in Kislev called the Robsmen. Oh. There 00:45:21.230 --> 00:45:26.869 was. Robsmen? Okay. R -O -P -P -S -M -E -N -N. 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.940 You know, Sigmar didn't like them very much. 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.900 When Sigmar doesn't like you, you don't get to 00:45:38.900 --> 00:45:47.000 survive. There's supposedly a couple tribes that 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:50.820 still claim to be descended from them. But by 00:45:50.820 --> 00:45:54.119 and large, Sigmar didn't like them very much. 00:45:57.309 --> 00:46:00.610 So they might have been unpersoned. That might 00:46:00.610 --> 00:46:03.530 have happened. Excuse me, there's only room for 00:46:03.530 --> 00:46:06.269 one lightning god, and these guys are also heretics. 00:46:06.670 --> 00:46:08.909 I'm going to put them both to rest at once. I'm 00:46:08.909 --> 00:46:11.510 going to do a double tap. Get them out of here. 00:46:12.329 --> 00:46:17.309 Yeah. Other gods, there is, as I said, as much 00:46:17.309 --> 00:46:19.469 as there is the great orthodoxy, there's also 00:46:19.469 --> 00:46:23.179 in a lot of ways not one state religion. There's 00:46:23.179 --> 00:46:25.039 a lot of stuff about worshipping and appeasing 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.980 even lesser, you know, smaller nature spirits, 00:46:29.420 --> 00:46:32.300 right? Stuff like that. Plenty of other gods 00:46:32.300 --> 00:46:34.300 can also be found here, like worship of the god 00:46:34.300 --> 00:46:37.420 Ulric. There's a lot of him there. Tal, who's 00:46:37.420 --> 00:46:40.460 a nature guide, you can find stuff for him. They're 00:46:40.460 --> 00:46:43.300 not as commonly worshipped as the main Kislevite 00:46:43.300 --> 00:46:45.219 gods, but especially the further south you go 00:46:45.219 --> 00:46:47.099 in Kislev, you're closer to the Empire, so you'll 00:46:47.099 --> 00:46:49.789 get... You'll get a good amount of worship of 00:46:49.789 --> 00:46:51.969 them, too. There's a lot of minor deities and 00:46:51.969 --> 00:46:58.449 stuff that are here. The Great Orthodoxy, though, 00:46:58.530 --> 00:47:08.110 it's the religious organization. It's very new. 00:47:08.949 --> 00:47:11.389 Total Warhammer takes roughly in modern Warhammer 00:47:11.389 --> 00:47:14.210 fantasy. There's no year timer in it, so you 00:47:14.210 --> 00:47:17.989 can't get an exact year. But by the time it shows 00:47:17.989 --> 00:47:22.949 up, it's a couple decades old. It's not around. 00:47:23.190 --> 00:47:28.130 It gained power pretty quickly. So there's some 00:47:28.130 --> 00:47:31.730 heresy accusations that go on and about. But 00:47:31.730 --> 00:47:36.389 it's like it's trying to become the state religion, 00:47:36.570 --> 00:47:38.969 right? Like they're trying to get everyone to 00:47:38.969 --> 00:47:44.210 follow their word and whatnot. Not to... It depends 00:47:44.210 --> 00:47:46.929 on where they're at. Kind of successfully, kind 00:47:46.929 --> 00:47:49.130 of not. That's causing a whole lot of religious 00:47:49.130 --> 00:47:51.130 problems in Kislev as all the people who prefer 00:47:51.130 --> 00:47:53.929 the older styles are potentially being burned 00:47:53.929 --> 00:48:01.449 at the stake. It's a little bit rough, but such 00:48:01.449 --> 00:48:04.090 as it is when you invite witch hunters into your 00:48:04.090 --> 00:48:05.809 country, things will get a little bit rougher. 00:48:08.869 --> 00:48:11.570 Let's see, what else? I feel obligated to mention 00:48:11.570 --> 00:48:15.659 winter. Okay. uh general winter they call it 00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:19.039 something else but i i can't general winter is 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:21.019 what i can't help but think of you know they 00:48:21.019 --> 00:48:26.559 call it cross deaths and of the lizard kill there 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:38.039 you go yeah it's brutal uh it's which is I mean, 00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.539 it's much like, you know, don't invade Russia 00:48:40.539 --> 00:48:42.440 in the winter. Don't invade Kislev in the winter. 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:47.760 Yeah. You will freeze solid if you walk out too 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:49.800 far and you don't know very well what you're 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.500 doing. You got all the protective clothing, which 00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:54.420 Kislev does take advantage of because they'll 00:48:54.420 --> 00:48:57.340 usually, even when chaos invades and chaos comes 00:48:57.340 --> 00:48:58.760 over the north, so they're used to the cold, 00:48:58.820 --> 00:49:01.619 but it's really bad in Kislev. Yeah. Like abnormally 00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:07.469 bad. So they... They've gotten used to timing 00:49:07.469 --> 00:49:10.570 their invasions with the winter, raiding during 00:49:10.570 --> 00:49:12.949 it, planning major attacks right as it's ending, 00:49:13.070 --> 00:49:15.130 when they've had time to scrounge up food and 00:49:15.130 --> 00:49:19.489 the enemy's not had time. They're quite smart 00:49:19.489 --> 00:49:22.050 with it. Also, they're sometimes ruled by an 00:49:22.050 --> 00:49:25.469 ice witch, you gotta remember. So, she could 00:49:25.469 --> 00:49:27.309 at any moment decide the winter's gonna be ten 00:49:27.309 --> 00:49:30.010 times worse. Can you briefly touch upon what 00:49:30.010 --> 00:49:36.309 an ice witch is? I can. Kinda heretical? So, 00:49:36.610 --> 00:49:40.530 if you ask not Rasputin, who leads the Great 00:49:40.530 --> 00:49:42.150 Orthodoxy... Of course, there's a character called 00:49:42.150 --> 00:49:45.730 Rasputin. Well, he's called Castalton, but if 00:49:45.730 --> 00:49:49.710 you look at him, he's Rasputin. They are filthy, 00:49:49.869 --> 00:49:53.829 heretical deviants that must be purged. They're 00:49:53.829 --> 00:49:56.329 also, again, that Miska the Slaughterer lady. 00:49:56.670 --> 00:50:07.219 She was an ice witch. And it's... This is going 00:50:07.219 --> 00:50:08.860 to be really stupid to say, but I mean, they're 00:50:08.860 --> 00:50:12.500 ice witches. They're magically gifted women who 00:50:12.500 --> 00:50:15.420 use ice magic, which is its own kind of thing. 00:50:16.420 --> 00:50:19.480 Still uses winds of magic, but it's like it's 00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.539 its own thing. It's mostly a kesel of magic. 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:26.460 But the winds go before you cast it. The winds 00:50:26.460 --> 00:50:33.079 go brr, indeed. Yeah, Ice Magic is very connected 00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:36.179 to Kislev's land. Their origins are a little 00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:40.480 unknown, but supposedly there's a goddess called 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:45.260 the Widow that used to give them, that in fact 00:50:45.260 --> 00:50:48.739 gave this Misk of the Slaughterer lady not only 00:50:48.739 --> 00:50:51.079 the ability to control winter, but told her to 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.719 go and found Kislev and go kill a whole lot of 00:50:53.719 --> 00:51:01.880 ungles. Ice witches since her have been part 00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:03.659 of society, and they've got a lot of political 00:51:03.659 --> 00:51:09.000 sway as very powerful witches. It's slowly diminishing 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:10.960 with the Great Orthodoxy and not wanting that 00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:16.099 heretical magic, but they're... Are they all 00:51:16.099 --> 00:51:19.599 like aristocracy, or are they more... They are 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.619 by and large like aristocracy, and usually one 00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:26.880 who isn't from a noble family will... In some 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:30.820 way be like raised up almost. Okay. So you get 00:51:30.820 --> 00:51:34.920 a pass. The nation does have a ban on men with 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:39.599 magic. So they tend to kill any guys practicing 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:42.380 magic, which does usually mean you're wondering 00:51:42.380 --> 00:51:46.920 why there's no male ice wizards. There's a prophecy 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:48.760 that one of them is going to, you know, kind 00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.420 of ruin the whole thing for everyone, which is 00:51:51.420 --> 00:51:53.599 actually quite similar to why Malekith doesn't 00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:56.730 allow male. elf witches in the dark elf lands 00:51:56.730 --> 00:52:00.730 a lot of uh a lot of sorcery misandry going on 00:52:00.730 --> 00:52:02.929 in the warhammer fantasy universe i was reading 00:52:02.929 --> 00:52:04.530 that it's actually kind of funny it's like this 00:52:04.530 --> 00:52:07.449 this is the second time this has happened it's 00:52:07.449 --> 00:52:10.789 like special boys we've got to kill the special 00:52:10.789 --> 00:52:14.389 boys i i guess if if you want to be nice like 00:52:14.389 --> 00:52:16.469 the keys to the one is more so like they're worried 00:52:16.469 --> 00:52:19.539 right where it's like this guy is going to ruin 00:52:19.539 --> 00:52:21.800 ice magic for everyone. We can't let that happen. 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:24.519 Whereas Malekith says very much there's a prophecy 00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:27.019 that he specifically is going to die. So he's 00:52:27.019 --> 00:52:30.400 like, oh, no, no. I'm not letting that one happen. 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:36.139 No, thank you. But yeah, they've got a lot of 00:52:36.139 --> 00:52:38.280 political influence. Again, the most recent times 00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:40.099 they've been fighting with the great orthodoxy, 00:52:40.099 --> 00:52:43.019 but they've still got, you know, a thousand years 00:52:43.019 --> 00:52:46.900 of political power and influence they've entrenched 00:52:46.900 --> 00:52:50.889 themselves in. So, yeah. And, you know, it's 00:52:50.889 --> 00:52:54.389 a little bit nice. Any families that have, right, 00:52:54.449 --> 00:52:58.309 a male magic, like, you know, their son is born 00:52:58.309 --> 00:53:00.289 a wizard, they'll usually smuggle him off to 00:53:00.289 --> 00:53:02.510 the Empire. Yeah, I was going to say, like, send 00:53:02.510 --> 00:53:04.670 him away far from Kislev and he'll probably be 00:53:04.670 --> 00:53:07.949 okay. Yeah. So there's probably a couple of... 00:53:07.949 --> 00:53:12.429 What is it? I'm sure there's a few, right, like 00:53:12.429 --> 00:53:18.789 male ice warlocks or whatever. Probably not in 00:53:18.789 --> 00:53:20.670 Kiesliff because they're usually put to the death. 00:53:20.929 --> 00:53:27.429 Yeah. But, you know, it could be worse. It could 00:53:27.429 --> 00:53:30.489 be in Skavenblight. It could be in Skavenblight. 00:53:30.550 --> 00:53:34.409 You can always be thankful for that. I'm thankful 00:53:34.409 --> 00:53:36.530 every day when I wake up in the real world that 00:53:36.530 --> 00:53:39.610 Skavenblight is fictional. That's good. I'm quite 00:53:39.610 --> 00:53:41.710 happy. Although I don't know about under New 00:53:41.710 --> 00:53:44.170 York, under those subways. I wouldn't be surprised. 00:53:44.489 --> 00:53:48.960 New York. Concrete dungeon? Oh, it's scathing. 00:53:50.380 --> 00:53:56.159 It's... Oh, jeez, I don't know. My brain just 00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:57.840 kind of turned off for a bit there. Pardon me. 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:05.500 There's not always necessarily with Kislev an 00:54:05.500 --> 00:54:10.440 ice witch leading, but it does tend to happen. 00:54:12.099 --> 00:54:17.880 For example, this is perhaps the most... There 00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.400 was a guy whose name was Zarboris Baca. Zaboca. 00:54:23.139 --> 00:54:27.960 Barboris Baca. Okay. Yeah. You know, he did a 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.139 lot of, you know, he was after the great war 00:54:31.139 --> 00:54:33.480 against chaos. He did a lot of reforms and kind 00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:35.519 of strengthened the country's politics and made 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:37.440 it an absolute monarchy and all that, you know, 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.019 stuff like that. Got rid of some of the feudalism. 00:54:40.019 --> 00:54:41.860 Did, you know, did all that Peter the Great stuff. 00:54:43.380 --> 00:54:46.230 And then, you know, we have. Tsarina Katarin, 00:54:46.409 --> 00:54:48.590 who is an Ice Witch and the Tsar, so it's not 00:54:48.590 --> 00:54:51.289 always an Ice Witch in charge, but it does tend 00:54:51.289 --> 00:54:53.230 to, you know... It gives you some credibility 00:54:53.230 --> 00:54:55.630 to be like, hey, we were founded by an Ice Witch, 00:54:55.909 --> 00:54:58.849 Ice Witch is a stronk, she's kind of pretty... 00:54:58.849 --> 00:55:01.349 Yeah, it does tend to give you some amount of, 00:55:01.389 --> 00:55:07.809 like, a sway, you know? And also, I'm sure, you 00:55:07.809 --> 00:55:10.329 know, something something Frozen let it snow 00:55:10.329 --> 00:55:16.250 joke. Yeah. uh that's that seems almost obligatory 00:55:16.250 --> 00:55:23.369 you know uh but yeah so that's you know i switch 00:55:23.369 --> 00:55:25.429 it i mean their eye switch is fun too uh fun 00:55:25.429 --> 00:55:28.789 fact grim gore ironhide once bulldozed his way 00:55:28.789 --> 00:55:32.110 through kiesliff okay and then zarina katarin 00:55:32.110 --> 00:55:35.929 instead of fighting right uh just said i'm just 00:55:35.929 --> 00:55:38.610 gonna freeze the entire countryside solid until 00:55:38.610 --> 00:55:42.119 you go away Well, that's always the best way 00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:43.559 to get rid of an orc. It's like, don't fight 00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:45.699 them. Delay them and they'll get bored. I mean, 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:50.199 it worked. He did eventually go away because 00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:55.760 all of his army kept turning into orcsicles. 00:55:56.079 --> 00:56:00.380 Oh, no. Except for his boys, the immortals, and 00:56:00.380 --> 00:56:06.019 himself, of course. But yeah, he did try and 00:56:06.019 --> 00:56:10.050 invade Kislev, but they just went home. He did 00:56:10.050 --> 00:56:12.110 brutalize them in combat first, though, you know, 00:56:12.110 --> 00:56:15.409 of course. But, yeah, no, it was eh. Yeah. That 00:56:15.409 --> 00:56:19.150 is a major part of their military strategy. It's 00:56:19.150 --> 00:56:23.510 cold now. Please go away. Which, you know, when 00:56:23.510 --> 00:56:25.289 you're controlled by an ice wizard, it does work. 00:56:28.130 --> 00:56:31.769 What are some other bangers? Like I said, they 00:56:31.769 --> 00:56:35.369 don't have presently an army. I'm hoping they 00:56:35.369 --> 00:56:37.190 get one. I'm really hoping they get one because 00:56:37.190 --> 00:56:39.139 that'd be cool. I mean, like you said, they have 00:56:39.139 --> 00:56:45.119 bear cavalry. But yeah, Kisavite soldiers tend 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:48.820 to be going off a total war for this because, 00:56:48.900 --> 00:56:51.420 again, there's no army I can draw from from the 00:56:51.420 --> 00:56:54.699 tabletop. So they don't have a tabletop army 00:56:54.699 --> 00:56:57.539 itself. They just have bits? Not at present, 00:56:57.659 --> 00:57:01.659 no. They don't really have bits anymore. Again, 00:57:02.059 --> 00:57:04.400 like that Warmaster in the old model days, that 00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:10.570 was a while ago. But that being said, they do 00:57:10.570 --> 00:57:13.329 have a pretty unique army. It's very hybrid. 00:57:13.909 --> 00:57:16.750 So your average Keith is a person, right? He 00:57:16.750 --> 00:57:19.409 doesn't just have a spear or an axe or a bow. 00:57:19.989 --> 00:57:21.730 He's usually got, like, a melee weapon and a 00:57:21.730 --> 00:57:23.610 ranged weapon. So, like, you know, the basic 00:57:23.610 --> 00:57:27.090 ones, they've got a bow, one hell of a bow. You 00:57:27.090 --> 00:57:29.369 know, a spear or an axe to cut you or poke you 00:57:29.369 --> 00:57:33.070 or whatever with. Scale it up. Usually, at least 00:57:33.070 --> 00:57:35.130 for the basic troops of the army, even the more 00:57:35.130 --> 00:57:38.110 elite ones, this is pretty consistent. They just 00:57:38.110 --> 00:57:40.809 might have a gun and a sharper axe or a bigger 00:57:40.809 --> 00:57:43.170 axe if you get to the big boys. I'm guessing 00:57:43.170 --> 00:57:46.349 Kislev aren't too big on gunpowder because maybe 00:57:46.349 --> 00:57:49.929 it's difficult to procure and maintain and stuff. 00:57:50.250 --> 00:57:52.909 They do need to get a lot of it from the Empire 00:57:52.909 --> 00:57:57.210 through trade. Yeah. They do make use of it. 00:57:57.349 --> 00:57:59.289 There are a good amount of Kislev units that 00:57:59.289 --> 00:58:01.130 do have guns, so they do make use of it when 00:58:01.130 --> 00:58:03.849 they can. But depending on the attitude, you 00:58:03.849 --> 00:58:08.179 might get the classic. weakling southerner need 00:58:08.179 --> 00:58:11.139 gun yeah just beat man to death i'm gonna eat 00:58:11.139 --> 00:58:13.639 raw meat and headbutt them to death like yeah 00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.980 okay yeah or some of the times it is just more 00:58:16.980 --> 00:58:19.440 of like that practical like we'd love to use 00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:22.280 more cannons we cannot afford them oh i'm just 00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:24.659 thinking we can't make the gunpowder much dragging 00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:27.000 the cannons through the snow would suck anytime 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.780 the ice melts it makes the gun yeah wet like 00:58:29.780 --> 00:58:33.000 that would be a nightmare keeping all of the 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.059 logistics in place which is something i think 00:58:35.059 --> 00:58:37.199 people don't realize like war it's like it's 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.019 not just top trumps where it's like who's shooty 00:58:39.019 --> 00:58:40.840 bang bang the best it's also like kind of like 00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:42.840 what you alluded to with like the russian front 00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.079 of world war ii where it's like the germans have 00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:50.099 for example uh in in like even in um the battle 00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:51.719 of the bulge they had really good winter gear 00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:53.659 and they were very difficult to get out of of 00:58:53.659 --> 00:58:56.679 their encampments because the americans did not 00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:58.719 have as good winter gear and they were suffering 00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:02.440 from trench foot and shivering all day in box 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:05.139 holes and then the it's like if you have like 00:59:05.139 --> 00:59:07.900 the gear that's one thing but if you have a tank 00:59:07.900 --> 00:59:10.119 you also need to have the fuel for the tank and 00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:12.280 if the fuel freezes you need to for it and if 00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:14.519 you have to for it that wastes time there's all 00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:16.280 these things that people don't think about it's 00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:19.079 like Even with gunpowder, that's such a finicky 00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:26.000 technology. But yeah. Yeah. It's rough. They 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:31.139 do use it when they can. There's not nearly as 00:59:31.139 --> 00:59:33.500 much of it to go around. They do make up for 00:59:33.500 --> 00:59:35.880 it with a lot more ice magic. That's helpful. 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:41.940 And then they have their various other more unique 00:59:41.940 --> 00:59:44.260 units. They've got the horse archers and stuff. 00:59:44.579 --> 00:59:49.309 They of course have The winged lancers, I know 00:59:49.309 --> 00:59:56.309 what you are. Which, I mean, hey, you know, the 00:59:56.309 --> 00:59:58.570 winged hussars were, for a brief moment, the 00:59:58.570 --> 01:00:01.690 fiercest cavalry unit around. Fort Gunpowder 01:00:01.690 --> 01:00:04.929 kind of made that not mean anything, right? Yeah. 01:00:05.309 --> 01:00:09.269 But hey, the winged hussars give one hell of 01:00:09.269 --> 01:00:11.710 a charge. And if you don't like the horses, well, 01:00:11.889 --> 01:00:15.599 they have bear cavalry. Magical Ice Bear Cavalry, 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.139 of course. One of the monstrous units they have 01:00:19.139 --> 01:00:24.420 is just... It's a big frozen bear. Like the size 01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:28.440 of a house. Oh, why is it frozen? Because Ice 01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.960 Magic Bear. Oh, okay. So it's like enchanted. 01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:34.739 It's, you know, I mean, I've seen the Revenant. 01:00:35.900 --> 01:00:39.380 That bear could give even Scarbrand some trouble. 01:00:39.500 --> 01:00:49.860 It's a really big bear. Yeah. I also... I forget 01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:53.159 the name of them. They're like forest monster 01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:56.820 demon things, right? Okay. Like a faun? They're 01:00:56.820 --> 01:01:00.340 mostly used a lot by the hags, Mother Astakia 01:01:00.340 --> 01:01:03.360 particularly. But I'll send you an image. Okay. 01:01:03.460 --> 01:01:07.639 If you piss off the wrong person, that might 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:11.519 get thrown at you. Yeah, that's a faun on steroids, 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.079 that is. What is that? I promise you, it's not 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:18.420 a demon. Yeah? Not with the glowing eyes and 01:01:18.420 --> 01:01:22.099 mouth and runic sigils and gemstone carved into 01:01:22.099 --> 01:01:25.480 its heart? No, please. This is Warhammer fantasy. 01:01:25.579 --> 01:01:28.380 Sometimes there's just normal magical monsters 01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:32.900 like that. It's not a demon. But it is horrifying. 01:01:34.139 --> 01:01:38.050 Yeah. I always like when something like that 01:01:38.050 --> 01:01:40.570 gets like the special rule, like causes terror. 01:01:40.789 --> 01:01:42.250 Like, yeah, I don't think you needed to tell 01:01:42.250 --> 01:01:44.750 me that. I think I could take that one on faith. 01:01:46.530 --> 01:01:48.809 I didn't need to be told that thing is scary. 01:01:48.969 --> 01:01:54.510 I promise you. It's yeah. Here's a little fun 01:01:54.510 --> 01:02:00.809 fact. It's not a. It's not their military. But 01:02:00.809 --> 01:02:02.690 they have a group called the Czechists that are 01:02:02.690 --> 01:02:05.219 the secret police of the government. And this 01:02:05.219 --> 01:02:07.199 might be up there for one of Warhammer's most 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:08.980 unoriginal things, because you know what the 01:02:08.980 --> 01:02:13.079 Czechos were? Right. They're just the pre -KGB. 01:02:13.420 --> 01:02:16.659 Okay. They're just the original Soviet secret 01:02:16.659 --> 01:02:21.460 police. Okay. Kislev has that, so that's fun. 01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:31.400 I would be nice when in Kislev, right? Mm -hmm. 01:02:33.739 --> 01:02:41.559 You might get a visit from the friendly neighborhood, 01:02:41.739 --> 01:02:46.780 not KGB, if you might be doing a little bit of 01:02:46.780 --> 01:02:50.940 heresy. But don't worry, Andy. They never convict 01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:55.679 the wrong people. Never. Not once. Just like 01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:57.639 in real life. Secret police never do anything 01:02:57.639 --> 01:03:01.949 wrong. Clearly, comrade, this was an enemy of 01:03:01.949 --> 01:03:05.150 the state in the making. Yeah, exactly. Even 01:03:05.150 --> 01:03:08.010 if they weren't yet. He went against the party 01:03:08.010 --> 01:03:14.650 lines and, yeah, heresy. Yeah, and it's exactly 01:03:14.650 --> 01:03:15.630 what we just said. Have some vodka. It'll be 01:03:15.630 --> 01:03:18.650 okay. Have vodka, comrade. Don't ask about your 01:03:18.650 --> 01:03:21.130 neighbor. You never had a neighbor. That's the 01:03:21.130 --> 01:03:24.309 term, isn't it? Vodka is water. Ka and ka is 01:03:24.309 --> 01:03:27.190 little. It's just a little water. Little water. 01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:32.179 Yeah, no. Yeah. And the government, of course, 01:03:32.219 --> 01:03:36.440 rejects any indication that they're they're monitoring 01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:40.519 foreign countries or that they might be just 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:45.219 around the corner. You know, they're. Such such 01:03:45.219 --> 01:03:47.780 as rumors and slander against the party. Yeah. 01:03:52.710 --> 01:03:56.429 Oh, it's just... It's so on the nose, isn't it? 01:03:56.889 --> 01:04:02.789 Yeah. What other little bangers do we have? Do 01:04:02.789 --> 01:04:03.989 you have any other questions? There's a couple 01:04:03.989 --> 01:04:05.650 smaller things I wrote throughout I'm trying 01:04:05.650 --> 01:04:10.690 to pull up. So this might be a... I'm kind of... 01:04:10.690 --> 01:04:15.289 What's the word? I'm treading on thin ice here 01:04:15.289 --> 01:04:19.619 with you. With regards, because they're obviously 01:04:19.619 --> 01:04:21.920 the first line of defense, you'd assume they'd 01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:24.980 get demolished and then not be able to fight 01:04:24.980 --> 01:04:27.440 the rest of the setting. How do they factor into 01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:31.280 things like the end times? Well, in the end times, 01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:35.300 they basically died off screen. Oh, great. Fantastic. 01:04:35.460 --> 01:04:39.480 Nice. Yeah, that makes sense. As for that, usually 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.440 they'll burn down the city and then Kislev will 01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:44.579 promptly rebuild it once the invasion is dealt 01:04:44.579 --> 01:04:47.449 with. and after the city burned down like kiesel 01:04:47.449 --> 01:04:49.329 will usually spend the rest of the invasion with 01:04:49.329 --> 01:04:51.829 whatever force that it has left just harrying 01:04:51.829 --> 01:04:54.070 or maybe uniting with the empire and fighting 01:04:54.070 --> 01:04:56.849 them together or doing like flanking they're 01:04:56.849 --> 01:04:59.110 they're like a semi background where they're 01:04:59.110 --> 01:05:02.010 important and there's there's a a decent amount 01:05:02.010 --> 01:05:06.420 of lore but at the same time like and nothing 01:05:06.420 --> 01:05:09.480 compared to anyone like the major factions they're 01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:11.340 like the french certainly not the empire they're 01:05:11.340 --> 01:05:13.960 important but like they're it's like america 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:18.019 uk important countries but no it's like because 01:05:18.019 --> 01:05:19.940 the only thing is also they have like am i right 01:05:19.940 --> 01:05:21.940 in thinking that they have a very large chaos 01:05:21.940 --> 01:05:24.920 contingent where the screamy man is the guy in 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:28.440 charge of their like chaotic like war band and 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:30.519 i and i saw an animation on warhammer tv where 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:34.699 it's like a bunch of kislev guys turning to chaos 01:05:34.699 --> 01:05:38.659 and they will like integrate forest entities 01:05:38.659 --> 01:05:43.179 or some such into like their they're like i don't 01:05:43.179 --> 01:05:44.539 know how to describe it but like yeah what i 01:05:44.539 --> 01:05:46.260 remember of the animation it was like a guy and 01:05:46.260 --> 01:05:47.699 he had a brother and they were fighting in a 01:05:47.699 --> 01:05:50.159 big forest and chaos was happening and they were 01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:53.900 just kind of like uh beats dying i guess i'll 01:05:53.900 --> 01:05:57.519 be chaotic i guess i there's definitely a couple 01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:00.199 like keys to the lights that do turn to chaos 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:02.380 that's indeed the plot of total warhammer 3's 01:06:02.380 --> 01:06:06.480 narrative campaign oh uh it doesn't happen too 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.739 often but it does happen it was like even on 01:06:08.739 --> 01:06:10.519 katia like there would be passages where it's 01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:12.659 like yeah we got a bunch of chaos cults we're 01:06:12.659 --> 01:06:14.679 five feet from the eye of terror of course they 01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:18.460 exist yeah Well, there's a poor bunch of beast 01:06:18.460 --> 01:06:20.480 men on Terra during the Siege of Terra who defect 01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:22.920 because it's like, we're always mistreated. Fine, 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.960 we'll clear our chaos and then we'll be purged 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:27.760 from the setting like everyone else who's a beast 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:32.760 man. Aw, poor fellas. There's definitely a couple 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:35.699 people who get sick of being the speed bump of 01:06:35.699 --> 01:06:39.079 chaos and decide to join chaos. That does happen 01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:41.619 every now and again. That definitely does. And 01:06:41.619 --> 01:06:45.099 as for the country itself, I mean... So they 01:06:45.099 --> 01:06:46.980 burn down, but they're very good at rolling with 01:06:46.980 --> 01:06:49.599 the punches. You burn down their little wooden 01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:52.539 fortress, they put it right back up and tell 01:06:52.539 --> 01:06:55.420 you to come for round two. And it was that for 01:06:55.420 --> 01:07:01.699 a thousand years. Until the world blew up. Kislev 01:07:01.699 --> 01:07:04.320 supposedly has never fallen, although that's 01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:08.440 very funny, because in both Storm of Chaos and 01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:12.000 The End Times, Kislev's lore was Kislev has fallen. 01:07:15.809 --> 01:07:22.429 LFs in the chat. Unfortunate. No, again, they 01:07:22.429 --> 01:07:25.289 put up a good fight. They deserve some credit 01:07:25.289 --> 01:07:29.949 for what they do. They do good work. I guess 01:07:29.949 --> 01:07:32.449 one other fun fact is that... Oh, God, I forgot 01:07:32.449 --> 01:07:38.849 her name. Mishenka Romanov. Oh, Romanov. Of course 01:07:38.849 --> 01:07:42.809 it is. In a partially Russian -inspired setting? 01:07:42.909 --> 01:07:46.000 No, surely not. Shocker. There's on the nose, 01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:47.960 and then there's pulling the nose off. And then 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:52.980 there's that. Yeah. Wow. She... What do you call 01:07:52.980 --> 01:07:58.500 it? She was in charge during... She's in charge 01:07:58.500 --> 01:08:03.360 during the old world, right? And she's... There's 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:07.119 not been much about Kiesel, unfortunately. Come 01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:09.960 on. Come on, insulin pump. You can do it. Pardon 01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:12.980 me. It's okay. There's not much on her, but she's 01:08:12.980 --> 01:08:16.800 basically trying to... get that civilization 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.180 like get that uh centralization going and also 01:08:20.180 --> 01:08:23.699 trying to figure out how to make the empire behave 01:08:23.699 --> 01:08:26.500 because as the person who's on the borders of 01:08:26.500 --> 01:08:29.380 the chaos wastes she can tell that something's 01:08:29.380 --> 01:08:31.819 a brewing because right before right after the 01:08:31.819 --> 01:08:33.779 old world's time period and maybe it'll continue 01:08:33.779 --> 01:08:37.920 on into it is the great war against chaos uh 01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:40.220 so she's looking north and we're like oh there's 01:08:40.220 --> 01:08:42.770 problems coming And then she looks south and 01:08:42.770 --> 01:08:45.310 we get the age of three emperors where the empire 01:08:45.310 --> 01:08:50.050 was divided into, you know, three. So she's looking 01:08:50.050 --> 01:08:52.430 south like I really need you all to behave right 01:08:52.430 --> 01:08:55.289 now. I really need you to stop pitching a fit. 01:08:55.369 --> 01:09:02.649 Yeah. And help me get ready. So, yeah. I don't 01:09:02.649 --> 01:09:05.229 know what happens to her because I I'm fairly 01:09:05.229 --> 01:09:08.609 certain she's a she is like from the old world 01:09:08.609 --> 01:09:10.829 and there's not been much development. But she's 01:09:10.829 --> 01:09:13.310 got the last name Romanoff, so I'm going to make 01:09:13.310 --> 01:09:17.109 some assumptions. Okay. Yeah. Rasputin fella 01:09:17.109 --> 01:09:22.369 might be involved partially. Yeah. I have some 01:09:22.369 --> 01:09:31.270 ideas. Okay. I'm assuming Kislev aren't active 01:09:31.270 --> 01:09:37.930 in Age of Sigmar. No. There weren't any, at least 01:09:37.930 --> 01:09:40.189 in 8th edition, there weren't any Kislev minis 01:09:40.189 --> 01:09:43.090 to be put into the cities of Sigmar. It was like 01:09:43.090 --> 01:09:48.310 the old, we had fancy minis still in stock army, 01:09:48.470 --> 01:09:52.170 right? There weren't Kislev minis, so they didn't 01:09:52.170 --> 01:09:54.970 get to be. And either way, there's not really 01:09:54.970 --> 01:09:59.930 any one country. There is no, none of the realms 01:09:59.930 --> 01:10:02.810 survived. Even the high elves of Age of Sigmar, 01:10:02.890 --> 01:10:05.520 they're not. That's not the High Elf's kingdom 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:10.399 in Ulthuan Continued. That's just the High Elf 01:10:10.399 --> 01:10:14.659 equivalent, right? Mm -hmm. Yeah. So, no, there 01:10:14.659 --> 01:10:17.100 is no keystone in Age of Sigmar. Now, granted, 01:10:17.100 --> 01:10:22.479 I'm sure you could find some equivalent in some 01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:26.720 book or story or codex entry, so I'm sure that 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:30.020 exists. There's wintery places in the mortal 01:10:30.020 --> 01:10:33.010 realms. I'm sure if you want... you can flavor 01:10:33.010 --> 01:10:35.529 your cities of Sigur army around Kislev. Like 01:10:35.529 --> 01:10:37.569 I can't imagine it'd be hard to justify that. 01:10:38.210 --> 01:10:41.689 But no, there is no Kislev. And to my knowledge, 01:10:41.710 --> 01:10:44.609 I don't think there's even been like any Kislev 01:10:44.609 --> 01:10:48.630 characters, like Stormcastified. It's such a 01:10:48.630 --> 01:10:51.590 strange decision because like, and again, I know 01:10:51.590 --> 01:10:54.630 Total Warhammer is not Games Workshop. I know 01:10:54.630 --> 01:10:57.729 Creative Assembly are not the guys who drive 01:10:57.729 --> 01:10:59.609 Warhammer by any means, but they're kind of the 01:10:59.609 --> 01:11:02.750 custodians of fantasy. and to have them as a 01:11:02.750 --> 01:11:08.789 POV main drive of the premiere gaming series 01:11:08.789 --> 01:11:11.930 for your franchise, and then just be like, oh, 01:11:12.069 --> 01:11:15.770 they're gone now. What? They had Bear Cavalry. 01:11:15.770 --> 01:11:17.449 What do you mean they're gone? That's the coolest 01:11:17.449 --> 01:11:20.489 thing ever. That's another thing. I don't know 01:11:20.489 --> 01:11:22.310 why they weren't just launched a lot sooner. 01:11:22.489 --> 01:11:27.300 It took Cathay this long, and I mean... I actually 01:11:27.300 --> 01:11:29.680 just checked right now. This is the first time, 01:11:29.739 --> 01:11:31.619 legitimately, I'm looking at the web store right 01:11:31.619 --> 01:11:34.239 now. This is the first time I've not seen half 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:40.539 of what you can buy for Cathay sold out. I mean, 01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:43.020 Cathay is cool. They've got the jade statues 01:11:43.020 --> 01:11:44.960 and everything, but I'm like, bear cavalry, bro. 01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:48.340 Yeah, I don't know why we don't have that yet. 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:52.680 It seems like such an easy slam dunk. Yeah. And 01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:55.880 then you could have a platoon of... infantry 01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:59.560 guys doing the crab sit or whatever you call 01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:05.859 it with a bottle of what's it called? Kvass. 01:12:06.220 --> 01:12:11.380 And then maybe with an Adidas style uniform and 01:12:11.380 --> 01:12:15.420 it would be perfect. 10 million sold. Everyone 01:12:15.420 --> 01:12:21.520 loves it. I don't know why we don't have none 01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:26.779 of that. You'd think it'd be so easy. Maybe one 01:12:26.779 --> 01:12:32.180 day. I'm pretty sure that Eastern Europe loves 01:12:32.180 --> 01:12:36.119 Warhammer. One of the reasons I have so many 01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:40.899 subtitles from Poland and Russia and stuff like 01:12:40.899 --> 01:12:43.000 that is there's a substantial amount of people 01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:46.539 in Eastern Europe who I guess resonate with Warhammer 01:12:46.539 --> 01:12:49.239 content and think it's really cool. And yet the 01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:52.250 premiere... representation for them it's just 01:12:52.250 --> 01:12:54.010 like it's cool in the trailers for the total 01:12:54.010 --> 01:12:56.489 war games and yeah like do they even have any 01:12:56.489 --> 01:13:05.930 books i not many um they do have i just double 01:13:05.930 --> 01:13:09.130 pulled it up i really i double checking now and 01:13:09.130 --> 01:13:13.890 i think i'm unfortunately correct uh they have 01:13:17.159 --> 01:13:19.479 They've got a Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay Supplement, 01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:23.619 which is fun. I do like that. It's a good read. 01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:28.619 It's called The Realm of the Ice Queen. Good 01:13:28.619 --> 01:13:32.180 stuff. Good stuff. There's something called The 01:13:32.180 --> 01:13:39.640 Ambassador, which is by Graham McNeil. I've not 01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:46.310 read it, actually. It's an Empire general who's 01:13:46.310 --> 01:13:48.229 sent to be like an ambassador to Kislev, right? 01:13:50.350 --> 01:13:55.550 Beyond that, I don't really think they got anything. 01:13:56.189 --> 01:13:58.470 And I have a feeling, because I'm looking, right? 01:13:58.510 --> 01:14:01.210 I'm on the Black Library web store, right? Yeah. 01:14:02.270 --> 01:14:08.229 The recommended books are an Empire book, a Wood 01:14:08.229 --> 01:14:10.869 Elf book, and a High Elf book. How did that happen? 01:14:10.930 --> 01:14:14.359 What? I'm getting the sinking suspicion that 01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:19.159 if there were more Kislev books, it'd be recommending 01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:21.979 me, though. Yeah, that's so strange. I mean, 01:14:22.020 --> 01:14:26.800 what? They're very much, like I said, they're 01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.060 a prominent background faction. You can find 01:14:29.060 --> 01:14:31.300 a decent amount of stuff on them. They get mentioned 01:14:31.300 --> 01:14:34.619 pretty regularly in other books. Not a lot of 01:14:34.619 --> 01:14:38.779 stuff focused on Kislev. Ugh. They got Batarian'd, 01:14:38.779 --> 01:14:41.890 which is a... like a species in mass effect where 01:14:41.890 --> 01:14:44.369 they're the, you meet them in the first game 01:14:44.369 --> 01:14:46.810 as a terrorist cell, good first impressions. 01:14:47.430 --> 01:14:50.350 And then like by the third game, they're in the 01:14:50.350 --> 01:14:53.010 direct line of the, the Reaper advanced. So it's 01:14:53.010 --> 01:14:54.810 like, Oh, their home world was completely destroyed. 01:14:54.970 --> 01:14:58.470 And now all their people are dead. Oh, Oh no. 01:14:59.869 --> 01:15:04.310 And to be fair, shitty people like, Oh. There's 01:15:04.310 --> 01:15:06.350 a reason you don't meet a single female Batarian 01:15:06.350 --> 01:15:08.189 in the whole series, because they're not treated 01:15:08.189 --> 01:15:10.810 well. And they also have slaves. So not great 01:15:10.810 --> 01:15:14.909 people. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, so pretty scummy. 01:15:14.970 --> 01:15:20.390 But also, they got killed offscreen at the beginning 01:15:20.390 --> 01:15:24.090 of Mass Effect 3. Oh, no. Yeah. That's a shame. 01:15:26.329 --> 01:15:30.770 Yeah, there's not much. Which is unfortunate. 01:15:33.529 --> 01:15:36.010 Like I said, prominent background. You can find 01:15:36.010 --> 01:15:37.930 a lot of bits and blurbs about them. They show 01:15:37.930 --> 01:15:44.109 up pretty frequently. Not much in the way of 01:15:44.109 --> 01:15:52.029 directly, hey, here's this. And if you'd like, 01:15:52.050 --> 01:15:55.369 you can buy the Realm of the Ice Queen fantasy 01:15:55.369 --> 01:16:00.029 roleplay supplement for $130 on Amazon. Oh, gosh. 01:16:00.430 --> 01:16:06.590 Not fun. Yeah. I am glad some Kindle alternatives 01:16:06.590 --> 01:16:09.890 exist or Audible because otherwise I would not 01:16:09.890 --> 01:16:12.050 be able to do what I do because it's just, oh, 01:16:12.149 --> 01:16:13.949 this book is quite odd. How much is it on eBay? 01:16:14.850 --> 01:16:23.569 £75. Oh. Yeah. Alternatively, look up Realm of 01:16:23.569 --> 01:16:27.109 the Ice Queen PDF. Oh, that works. Okay. Right. 01:16:27.670 --> 01:16:32.399 As I've done. Good watch, good read. Let's see, 01:16:32.500 --> 01:16:34.460 really quick. Any other questions I'm going to 01:16:34.460 --> 01:16:38.979 try and see? I don't. So are there any prominent 01:16:38.979 --> 01:16:42.119 characters other than Serena? I know the Ice 01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:44.300 Queen Lady is important. Are there any others 01:16:44.300 --> 01:16:46.460 who are like... I assume they have legendary 01:16:46.460 --> 01:16:50.739 lords in Total Warhammer. Yeah, there is Costalton. 01:16:51.380 --> 01:16:53.319 He's the other guy. He's the head of the Great 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:56.000 Orthodoxy. And it almost seems like they don't 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:59.720 know what they want out of him. Because in some 01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.779 of the cutscenes of the game, he's got this very 01:17:02.779 --> 01:17:08.539 educated, regal almost voice. And then you click 01:17:08.539 --> 01:17:14.060 on him in the game and he's kind of a raving 01:17:14.060 --> 01:17:20.199 madman. Yeah. And he's the only other character? 01:17:21.619 --> 01:17:25.340 No, there's some of those other background characters. 01:17:27.229 --> 01:17:31.069 Miska the Slaughterer. Oh, yeah. No. She's there. 01:17:31.289 --> 01:17:34.810 There's not as many, which is unfortunate, but 01:17:34.810 --> 01:17:44.970 there's Igor the Terrible. Igor. Nice. He helped 01:17:44.970 --> 01:17:49.449 save Kislev from chaos invasions. He was also 01:17:49.449 --> 01:17:53.029 paranoid and cruel and insane. Kind of like another 01:17:53.029 --> 01:17:57.199 guy called the Terrible. Yeah, I know. Where 01:17:57.199 --> 01:17:59.460 could this guy's inspiration be from? He also 01:17:59.460 --> 01:18:02.119 had a name that began with I and it had two syllables. 01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:06.600 I wonder who it could have been. There's a good 01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:10.399 animation about him tearing his family apart. 01:18:11.500 --> 01:18:17.939 There's Boris Ursus. Okay. It's me, Boris, not 01:18:17.939 --> 01:18:24.119 Horace. Boris. He was the Tsar before Katarin 01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:31.340 and indeed He's her dad. Yep. His lore is... 01:18:31.340 --> 01:18:36.260 So he wanted to be a priest for the cult of Ursin, 01:18:36.380 --> 01:18:40.680 right? Yeah. To do that, you need to go into 01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:45.779 the forest and tame a bear. Oh. So he tried wrestling 01:18:45.779 --> 01:18:49.779 it. Which, for what it's worth, no one won the 01:18:49.779 --> 01:18:51.899 wrestling fight. They couldn't do it. They just 01:18:51.899 --> 01:18:56.239 kept bleeding each other out. This caused a pack 01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:59.140 of wolves to attack them that he helped drive 01:18:59.140 --> 01:19:02.380 them off. And then the bear kept him safe after 01:19:02.380 --> 01:19:05.020 he passed out. And now they're buddies and he 01:19:05.020 --> 01:19:08.600 rides the bear into battle. Its name is Erskine. 01:19:09.399 --> 01:19:14.600 Erskine. Nice. Yeah. He's a, you know, he was 01:19:14.600 --> 01:19:19.640 a solid enough czar. He did cool things. He brought 01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:23.760 Ersan back into more popularity. Good for him. 01:19:23.779 --> 01:19:26.579 He helped unify Kislev a bit. Pull it back from 01:19:26.579 --> 01:19:31.840 being in a bit of a sticky spot it was in. And 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:38.420 then he did get lost. Which, depending on the 01:19:38.420 --> 01:19:40.140 lore you're reading, if it's Total Warhammer, 01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:43.260 he was frozen in a block of ice and freed. And 01:19:43.260 --> 01:19:46.979 I believe in the end times some dude just killed 01:19:46.979 --> 01:19:50.239 him. Oh, how anticlimactic. That sounds like 01:19:50.239 --> 01:20:01.250 a GW plotline. Yeah. Boris. Boris. Yeah. I mean, 01:20:01.310 --> 01:20:03.930 it is very cliche in some regards, this faction. 01:20:04.010 --> 01:20:07.250 You've got Boris and Ivan and Rasputin kind of 01:20:07.250 --> 01:20:13.289 guy and Prague. But I wish they'd have like... 01:20:13.289 --> 01:20:16.590 I know Total Warhammer has already done a lot 01:20:16.590 --> 01:20:20.699 of heavy lifting with Cafe. I guess they couldn't 01:20:20.699 --> 01:20:22.479 really do much more with them because they've 01:20:22.479 --> 01:20:24.380 already kind of given it a shot. They had them 01:20:24.380 --> 01:20:26.819 in the launch trailer. They had the whole narrative 01:20:26.819 --> 01:20:29.819 campaigns for the games. And it's like, what 01:20:29.819 --> 01:20:32.560 else do you do from there? You've already put 01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:35.399 in so much work and effort. It hasn't necessarily 01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:38.300 paid off. There's no model range for them. There's 01:20:38.300 --> 01:20:40.439 no books for them. Where do you go from there? 01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:43.140 I wonder why, too, because Kislev already existed, 01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:45.739 right? Yeah. They did, too, but not nearly as 01:20:45.739 --> 01:20:48.260 much as Kislev. You'd think it'd be a lot easier 01:20:48.260 --> 01:20:52.140 to do the work with Kislev. Yeah. And yeah, they 01:20:52.140 --> 01:20:53.840 just had bear cavalry and they went, no, there's 01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:56.119 nothing in it. It's like, what do you mean? But 01:20:56.119 --> 01:20:58.779 even that, you could have like, you know, in 01:20:58.779 --> 01:21:00.739 like Elder Scrolls, you've got those kind of 01:21:00.739 --> 01:21:02.899 wraith, ice wraith creatures. You could have 01:21:02.899 --> 01:21:05.640 those as miniatures. You could have a bunch of 01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:07.460 cool stuff. You could have little tunneling guys. 01:21:07.659 --> 01:21:09.819 It's like, they don't... They don't survive well 01:21:09.819 --> 01:21:11.760 in, like, the surface, but maybe you have some 01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:14.100 subterranean forces that can burrow up and then 01:21:14.100 --> 01:21:18.600 disappear. You could have weevils or ferret creatures. 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:22.380 You do a whole lot of things. Yeah. And they're 01:21:22.380 --> 01:21:25.000 like, nah. It is rather unfortunate that we don't 01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:29.359 have more. What we have is quite cool. I guess 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:31.199 the elves have a claim on deer and things with 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:32.760 antlers. But, like, you could have yeti stuff. 01:21:32.979 --> 01:21:35.680 You could have, like, snowy stuff. Penguin. Penguin 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:38.970 militia. That would be fun. Ice stuff. Polar 01:21:38.970 --> 01:21:45.170 bears. I could see it working. It could work. 01:21:47.869 --> 01:21:50.189 Archeon, as we know, is also terrified of penguins, 01:21:50.210 --> 01:21:53.930 so have a penguin regiment and that would destroy 01:21:53.930 --> 01:21:57.590 his armies very quickly, in short order. Yeah, 01:21:57.810 --> 01:21:59.989 I mean, and it's a shame too, because Total War's 01:21:59.989 --> 01:22:03.130 narrative campaign was focused on Urson the Bear 01:22:03.130 --> 01:22:09.149 God. Yeah. And where did that go? Nowhere. Well, 01:22:09.250 --> 01:22:11.130 it was the narrative Total Warhammer campaign, 01:22:11.409 --> 01:22:13.289 so no one liked it, and we played the big everyone 01:22:13.289 --> 01:22:16.829 map instead, because why wouldn't you? Yeah. 01:22:17.789 --> 01:22:19.710 Well, is there anything else we need to cover 01:22:19.710 --> 01:22:21.689 on Keith's lab, or have we more or less done 01:22:21.689 --> 01:22:25.909 the gamut? I think that's the gist of it. Yeah, 01:22:26.010 --> 01:22:27.869 they get attacked by chaos a lot. They always 01:22:27.869 --> 01:22:36.170 bring it back. Don't piss off the Chekists. Nope. 01:22:37.149 --> 01:22:42.239 Yeah. It's a brutal, it's a harsh, wintry land, 01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:51.140 but it could be worse. Could be worse. Here's 01:22:51.140 --> 01:22:54.180 a question. Does Nagash or the undead factions 01:22:54.180 --> 01:22:56.920 have any... Because I'd assume there must be 01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.720 a lot of dead people buried under the snow. Surely 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:01.520 there's a whole bunch of people you could be 01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:04.399 like, they're quite strong and burly corpses. 01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:07.060 We could rise them up. They'd be quite good. 01:23:07.529 --> 01:23:10.810 Or is it just too difficult to get to? It's hard 01:23:10.810 --> 01:23:15.010 to get to. Usually the vampire counts themselves 01:23:15.010 --> 01:23:19.010 are focused on Sylvania. Kislev had already died 01:23:19.010 --> 01:23:22.770 off screen by the time Nagash was really doing 01:23:22.770 --> 01:23:32.829 much. So that's why that didn't happen. I imagine 01:23:32.829 --> 01:23:36.399 if nothing else, it's cold. Rigor mortis is going 01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:39.359 to make moving those zombies a real pain. Yeah. 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:43.680 And we've already got White Walkers in Game of 01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:45.439 Thrones, so that's copyright infringement. I 01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:50.260 see how it is. I see where it's going. But yeah, 01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:52.340 I guess if there's nothing else, then I suppose 01:23:52.340 --> 01:23:55.340 that was our episode on Kieslev. It's just about 01:23:55.340 --> 01:23:59.420 Kieslev. Yeah. Shame that they haven't got what 01:23:59.420 --> 01:24:02.439 I think they deserve. but maybe in the future. 01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:05.079 I think they should get some more. It is a shame 01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:09.340 that they don't have it. Maybe Age of Sigmar 01:24:09.340 --> 01:24:12.399 can bring some bear cavalry back, and that would 01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:15.520 be nice. Even in just that form, if it's just 01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:18.260 a model for Cities of Sigmar, that is the easiest 01:24:18.260 --> 01:24:21.439 slam dunk, and I don't know why they've not done 01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:25.520 it. Have a Stormcast riding a bear in snowy colors, 01:24:25.819 --> 01:24:31.380 maybe with a Russian Fabergé egg. in his hand 01:24:31.380 --> 01:24:33.739 or something. I don't know. Give it a go. Give 01:24:33.739 --> 01:24:38.640 it a bash. See how it goes. Yeah. But anyway, 01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:42.760 if you want to know about Key Slip, play Total 01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:45.840 Warhammer. But either way, I hope you guys enjoyed 01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:48.539 this little festive episode of Fantasy Fireside. 01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:51.079 We'll be back in the new year to talk about some 01:24:51.079 --> 01:24:53.000 other factions. So please let us know in the 01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:55.699 comments if there are any particular factions 01:24:55.699 --> 01:25:00.220 you'd like us to cover in Fantasy Fireside. warhammer 01:25:00.220 --> 01:25:02.779 factions uh i think there's still quite a good 01:25:02.779 --> 01:25:04.720 spread of them remaining i know there's things 01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:07.359 like we've done some elves and dwarves we've 01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:10.340 done a little bit of the human factions etc ogres 01:25:10.340 --> 01:25:14.640 etc but there's still a lot to cover there's 01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:16.640 yeah there's still a good bit so yeah let us 01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:19.979 know what you want and i will get on it but anyway 01:25:19.979 --> 01:25:22.180 uh thank you colin for for doing the research 01:25:22.180 --> 01:25:25.239 and and helming this episode and uh we'll catch 01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:28.350 you all on the next one have a good one fellas 01:25:28.350 --> 01:25:28.930 take care