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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Lore

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Crimes, the podcast with your three favorite

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fellas. I'm here, too, as everyone every week

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so politely says something to the effect of love

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you guys for coming here. It always makes me

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feel warm inside. Stream was late due to me gooning.

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There's also that one. We can't forget that other

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classic banger. Today, you know, we've got it's

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the month of October. And we've got, you know,

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it's the spooky month, you know, the do the little

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Sir Pelo dance, whatever that is. Please tell

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me I'm not the only one who knows what that is.

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I'm going to just look. All right. When I beg

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of you, someone in the chat right now needs to

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save me and tell me they know what I'm referencing,

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because if not, I'm going to look even like more

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of a loser. Anyways. Spooky month. So, you know,

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we've got it's only fitting to do that. And I

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must apologize, Orc fans, but the entire month

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of October cannot be dedicated to green skins.

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Yeah, it doesn't sell. Yeah. Somebody's doing

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Orcs. No one's fucking watching them. Well, before

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we get to that, can I also mention we had a we

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had a man on the other day on the podcast. His

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name's Bricky or something. He was like, I promise

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you all. We're going to get some merch made on

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orchid8 .com of the Law Crimes Fellows. I don't

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know how to be proud of this. Lo and behold,

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today, let me see if I can also show a picture.

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So the picture itself is of us, including all

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of us here and Bricky. And it looks something

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like this. As you can see. Lovely design. King

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of the Hill inspired by our resident artist,

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Chaotic. And you got the whole gang. You got

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Bricky. I don't know who this is. And now you

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can get this on a t -shirt for a very limited

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time via Orchid8 .com. Please check the link

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I just put in the chat. There is something to

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notice here. I didn't register when I first saw

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it that the drink said come. It does. That's

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only just now clicking. Yeah, we are selling

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a shirt with cum on it. It would appear in this

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image Hal is the most fertile. He already has

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two children. And keep in mind, you can do whatever

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you want with this shirt. You too can have cum

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on it. Cum on a cum shirt? I don't know when

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you wear this shirt, but shout out Chaotic for

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the very nice art. Very much chaotic. But yeah,

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I thought I'd mention that. Yeah, Hal loves it.

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I'll see if we can get some samples maybe for

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the gang so we can wear them on stream occasionally.

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But other than that, what are we talking about

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today, fellas? Well, oh, my stream just had a

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bit of a funny glitch. Ignore that. We're talking

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about some spooky stuff, aren't we, Hal? Yeah,

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I've prepared something for all the enjoyers

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here today. The other guys have no idea what

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I'm talking about. Not a clue, but we're going

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to delve into some of the more interesting and

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kind of unsolved mysteries of, I guess, just

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Warhammer 40k and a bit of 30k. No Warhammer

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fantasy, unfortunately. But I'm going to hopefully

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guide it through some... Sorry, Colin, but we're

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going to go through quite deep on this, but I'm

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interested to hear what the guys... theories

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are and maybe if they have certain opinions but

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we're going to start somewhere which maybe not

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everyone is familiar with this this is the i

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guess the concept slash uh the idea of enunciate

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which not many people make warhammer videos necessarily

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about um i guess i'll ask the guys do you have

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any we see we don't give like a basic rendition

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of what they think it is so far I think Colin

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might be the worst to ask, no offense. No, it's

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like some super language from ancient times that

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you can speak into reality. It's like the Thu

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'um. It is basically the Thu 'um. Yeah, no, I

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know about Anuncia because there's barely anything

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to know about it. You cannot shout, oh, Da Ving,

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unfortunately, and then not decapitate or throw

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into the air the white run guard, which is very

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sad. There's no way to save him either. That's

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just, he is destined to die. Someone did make

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a video. You can try, but then he just stands

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outside of Whiterun and is not working. I think

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even then, I saw someone push him into the middle

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of the chamber and he still flew in the air and

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died. He's just, no saving him. We're absolutely

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boinged. Okay, Anuncia though, I'm not gonna

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lie, this is some cool, cool shit. But I have

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to bring you guys back. I need to bring you back

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to 4000 BC. So in the Warhammer timeline, we

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first hear of it. quote here of Enuncia, with

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the Emperor, who had a name called Neoth, and

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this is concerning the events of the Tower of

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Babel? Colin, is it Babel or Babel? I mean, I

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don't think that one matters too much. Hey, if

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you say it wrong, that's just further proof to

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the myth that man climbed too high and couldn't

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speak the same tongue, so you know what? However

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you say it, it works. It's just proven it. The

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Neoth, or Big N, I don't think we should call

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him that. I really don't think we should call

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him that. I already know the comments are immediately

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on my case. Goodness. Neoth, he came across Anuncia

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when at the Tower of Babel, which was built by

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the Cognite, which is interesting. This is going

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to come up quite a lot in this episode. And some

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people might have more theories about the Cognite

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as well. At his time, Warmaster, which was Alanius'

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person. He is obviously a very important character

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for later. They are both perpetuals, and they

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would discover some words of Anuncia written

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in this tower, which Alanius would speak and

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use to destroy the tower, because I believe it's

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when Neoth kind of first comes across the idea

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like chaos exists, and it's like two different

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paths stretch out from this point. We next see

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Anuncia during the Horus Heresy. andy i think

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you've read this book which is prospero burns

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where one of these space wolves uh uses it to

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specifically banish a zeachian demon so i should

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also state enunciate when they speak it it sounds

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almost unintelligible to like the human ear like

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they can't no one could recreate like slash say

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what that person had said and it's the phenomena

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that boomers have whenever they listen to gen

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z they're like i have no idea But that's universal.

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That's just called aging, unfortunately, for

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us all. I was with it once. Now what I thought

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was it is old and everything is new and scary.

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Shout out to you. Shout out to my knee that gave

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out, by the way, yesterday, randomly at one point.

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Dude, because I've been sleeping on an air mattress

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for three weeks, I bent down to pick up laundry

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the other day and my back hurt. Oh, we're so

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in. We're so in. Punk city over here. Alright,

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well, you're married, old man. There was next

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an event during the slash Massacre at Calth,

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where a word bearer would speak a word of annuncia

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and it enacted like corrupt machine code. Again,

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like smaller instances are not necessarily part

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of the big picture. There's a funny one, which

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is my favorite, which is everyone's favorite

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character, Mr. John Grammaticus. He speaks of

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him and Alanius get teleported. to in during

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the siege of terror like you know it's at the

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end basically the emperor has been fighting horus

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they teleport into the throne room in the vengeful

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spirit uh they land in they see the emperor is

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like defeated and wounded on the floor they turn

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around horus is right there yeah not good uh

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so john speaks a word of enunciate and just beams

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horus back a little bit It doesn't kill him,

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but it just, you know, buys some time. And again,

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even speaking Anuncia is like quite dangerous.

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It can kill people just even speaking it. And

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what I particularly have enjoyed as well through

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the Ravenna books, the book opens up with the

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fact that Ravenna is hunting Cognite agents.

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So this is thousands and thousands of years in

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the future. And yet the Cognite are still around

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somehow. Or as Dan Abnett said, there might be

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things where... different iterations of different

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groups like pick up the same idea and they you

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know like if someone as people might know uh

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colin how much did mussolini's basically try

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and rebrand it you know it's roman empire you

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know 2 .0 yeah no i swear it's the roman empire

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ignore the fact that it's uh it's shit yeah yeah

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but so people can pick up ideas and lose a war

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to ethiopia i must In Inquisitor, Gideon Ravenna

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would fight against his kind of, or throughout

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his series, it's the arch traitor slash his nemesis

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Molotok, or Molot, it's very annoying to pronounce.

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And they connotate at this point, or mostly through

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this character, are trying to build up a lexicon

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of Enuncia. They search for like... ancient,

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ancient runes spread out across the entire galaxy.

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And Ravenna's not necessarily sure what Anuncia

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really is. Again, at this point, it's still kind

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of a mystery, despite, I wonder if it's a mystery

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to the Emperor in some sense as well. And Ravenna's

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rival, Moloch, I hate that word because it's

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like the word Moloch, but it's not. And he would

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use it to try and elevate himself to godlike

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power, which Ravenna was able to stop. And then

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my favorite part of this sort of, you know, enunciate,

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you know, missing piece mystery that kind of

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gets better, which is in 500 M40 Eisenhorn himself,

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who is ancient. All his friends are basically

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dead at this point. He has been fighting the

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cognate. He gets captured by them and he is subjected

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and like trapped in this device. It's a really

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good booker, which is in the book Magos. It's

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like the fourth Eisenhorn book. It's like a subplot

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of the Cognitea using the device in their ways,

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like create fake demons and what they call later

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grails or other things. They make warp entities

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loyal to them using Anuncia. And Eisenhorn, when

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he's placing this device, they keep putting people

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in this device because it ends up killing them.

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Not everyone is strong enough. The guy who's

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in the device is... part of the cognate, but

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he's so tired. He's like, this is killing me

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in some sense. Interesting enough, Eisenhorn's

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psychic abilities are massively elevated when

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he manages to survive the process. His eyes are

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permanently changed to a Cadian purple, which

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is interesting. So the warp reflects deep within

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him. My favorite part of the book is where the

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guy who was previously in the cage device, Eisenhorn

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is broken out and they're trying to escape. And

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him and the other guy just start yelling Anansir

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at each other. And it's like clashing the universe

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against each other. And it's like breaking things.

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And the other characters can't understand what

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they're saying, but it's quite incredible power.

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And in a way, you see through the Eisenhorn books,

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which he has this little famous demon host who

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he bound through different chaos rituals before,

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which is Churubael, if everyone has read that

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before. Churubael. is a demon host who says to

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him at the end i'm afraid of you so something

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about annuncia made a demon host loyal to him

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and he doesn't resist him anymore i was wondering

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where do you guys think annuncia comes from if

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anyone had any theories or like working ideas

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about it or even necessarily what it can do.

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Well, it came from the goddamn Tower of Babel,

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so Big E tripped over the language of God, and

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because he's himself, was like, no, I can do

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better. I didn't hear you. Yeah. Okay, is that

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good? Someone in chat says that it was that the

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old ones, it was the old ones stuff. It's not

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explicitly said, but I've heavily with the theory

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that this is how the old ones Basically, this

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was their god -altering powers in some sense.

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Either they created or they discovered a language

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which was able to affect the material verse and

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the warp, which is maybe how the webway was created.

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Because there's some weird convoluted thing about

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Vashtor and other old one technology things.

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But the idea of it, I think Anuncia can most

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likely be used to essentially almost do anything.

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But yet to enact enunciate or speak enunciate

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is incredible. It alters your very being because

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it is that whole Lovecraftian concept of you

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understand the truth of the universe and it's

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terrifying. And therefore, when people who understand

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the truth of the universe, they basically go

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mad or they end up dying because it's too much

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to handle. Unless your name is Eisenhorn or particularly,

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which will come up later, possibly blanks. can

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survive this uh that is the kind of that's the

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first big mystery but it's going to lead on to

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an even bigger one which i need to talk about

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after this but i wonder if you guys had any other

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particular thought because it's it's going to

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come up again i think in some of the big plots

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in 40k happening at the moment but it's an interesting

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concept because i think it's more of it's a dan

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abner like control like thing isn't it but i

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do love this little mystery of what its truth

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is is there is there a reason big e didn't just

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like start spitting bars and annuncia at horus

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like did they ever ex he knows it surely like

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is there a reason he didn't just start like screaming

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power word kill 500 times well that's the thing

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maybe the emperor doesn't the thing is elani

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is like grammaticus is able to he knew a word

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before i think i remember in uh in uh the final

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siege terror books if he gleaned one from alanis's

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mind it might have been the same one that destroyed

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the tower but like other characters you kind

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of just like learning one word sometimes like

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john uses it and then he forgets it he can only

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use it once it's like a really weird Again, it

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kind of is like a one -word, one -time use of

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Fus -Ro -Dah, but a lot stronger than a Fus -Ro

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-Dah. Although, again, it can corrupt things,

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can bind things, but it's not warp magic. You

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don't have to be a psychic. It's like a Google

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Play card. Only one use. Jeff Bezos, basically.

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He buys it. I've never been a big fan of Annuncia,

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but I don't know. I've never been able to pin

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down why. Like, I don't know. I don't even care

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if it's cheating. It's just like, it's just,

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it's there. And then it isn't there. And it's

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what, it just strikes me as a, what, what was

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the point? It's a silly thing that one author

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made and nobody else. Yeah. I don't like, and

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even then, like, I don't mind. It's a one author

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thing. I just, I don't. Something about the concept

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of an existing. I like that it fleshes out the

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world a bit and there's this big powerful thing

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that's not chaos related, right? Good on you.

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You did good for that. I could use more. It wasn't,

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you know, stuff where it wasn't chaos the whole

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time, actually. We could use some more of that,

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but I don't know, maybe just the way it is. It's

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this super cool language that kills everything,

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but you can't use it. It just kind of reads to

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me mostly as just kind of wasting space. Like

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they used it to, you know. break up biggie and

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you know you know elanius whatever his name is

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now and then after that i don't it's it shows

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up and it's like hey it's this thing it's too

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much of a plot device rather than an actual thing

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yeah oh that's fair enough i think it's it's

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interesting what i think they will be doing with

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it going forward which i think again everyone's

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ready that i can go into my second because i

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i needed to state what annuncia was to be able

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to go into the actual big mystery here which

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is before we do should we do some donations quickly

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yes so to start us off uh tyros girth maxing

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at awake wow cancel the vid i already hired detective

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chip to solve these also colin is built like

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a me and it's equally as terrifying as matt The

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really strong me, isn't he? He's the one you

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can't beat. Oh, Colin, you're muted. I don't

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have my Nintendo lore up to snuff, apparently.

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You know what, I'll take that. You compared me

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to the god emperor of me kind, Matt. Thank you,

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Dead Wars. Document USA, streamed late due to

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Hal Gooning to the Halo World Champions It 2025.

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Thanks, bro. I actually saw some of the games

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in there. Because I was in the same vicinity

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as someone who cares about it. Andy will wear

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a green hat in nine weeks. I'm stupid. Just dunk

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my brush in my glass of wine. That is unfortunate,

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but that's still a much better outcome than what

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I first read because I thought you said my bush.

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I had many questions, none of them with happy

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answers. Thank you. The most scrumptious busboy.

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Thank you for the $2. Streamlight dudes are calling,

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crying over Halo news. Colin, what is the Halo

00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:53.460
news? There's rumors that the Halo Combat Evolved

00:18:53.460 --> 00:18:58.900
remake will be like 90 % generative AI. Oh, God.

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No way. Crush my balls with a rock, please. Holy

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cow. That'll be Flop City. Can they just make

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something different? Dude, make that fucking

00:19:10.049 --> 00:19:12.910
Mega Bloks Halo game. That would be fun. Not

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for Lego Halo. I can't believe that they changed

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their name to Halo Studios to kind of erase the

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343 Studios bad reputation, only to their first

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step in a new direction make the worst possible

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move. It's impressive, almost. What if they were

00:19:27.470 --> 00:19:32.130
made out of poo -poo? Oh, this guy's got a crazy

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name. Colin's husband oiled up in bouncing spooky

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style for five bucks. Thanks for the gash picture

00:19:41.470 --> 00:19:43.950
as well, the old one. The biggest mystery are

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where my balls went and why CS Grotto was allowed

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to write books. Also, colon, have you tried Halo

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Flashpoint? I might try it. The arcade game?

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No, that's a tabletop game. It's a tabletop skirmish

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game. I have not tried it, not because I even

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think it's bad, because at least the models look...

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Pretty damn cool. My issue with that game is

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an inherent issue where if I wanted to play a

00:20:08.509 --> 00:20:14.309
4v4 match of Halo, I would load up Halo. It's

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not that I think it's inherently bad, it's just

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I can just play Halo. Tyboross, Girthmaxing out

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of wake again. Piccolo stomps Biggie. Does he?

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I have not watched any. Yeah, that's Piccolo.

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Piccolo's orange now. stop main event virgil

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thank you for the five the biggest mystery in

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40k is how gw has managed to f up space dwarves

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rip and decided the world leaders are a complete

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army we have like five models ffs yeah yeah i

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have the whole desktop name year of chaos baby

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unfortunately for you chaos is only for aos yo

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is that my picture bro thank you andy Thank you,

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Andy. Thank you, Gnomius. Gnomius Chomsky for

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20 euros. Thank you, by the way. Greetings, lad.

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I hope you all are doing well. Currently celebrating

00:21:09.349 --> 00:21:12.470
my brother's ribbon -cutting ceremony. Celebration

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before ending high school. I wish you all a great

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rest of the day. Hal, I hope you feel better.

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Thanks, bro. I love that expression. It's just

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like, that's the kind of photo that's usually

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got the... the police station lines behind. Yeah,

00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:30.940
the mugshot. You don't see a picture and you

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realize you look like your dad. It's like, oh

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no, I'm old. No, I look more like my aunt and

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my uncle. What do you mean by this? Different

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aunt and uncle. No, it's okay. That's hilarious.

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I realized the other day I might look like a

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30 -year -old man. And that's really scary. Because

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I still think, you forget that you don't look

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your age. You know when people start referring

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to you as a gentleman? And you're like, oh no,

00:22:05.339 --> 00:22:08.559
I'm old. Don't say hello to the gentleman. God.

00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:11.579
I've looked the same for the last 10 years, so

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I assume I've looked 30 when I was in my 20s.

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Yeah, I've looked like this since I was like

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14, minus the beard. And he sounded 35. I've

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had tweaks there. I've changed. But thank you

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for the five gifted. And last one here for now.

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You're Joe with the tour. Thank you. You guys

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have anyone read the new Eldar Corsair book?

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I don't know. I've not heard great things. I've

00:22:41.650 --> 00:22:43.769
heard good things. I've got to be honest. I mean,

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I don't know. It'll sit on my audible list until

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it is either on the like reduced or if it's like

00:22:50.650 --> 00:22:53.589
on a two for one credit. thing because i have

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no like compunction to listen to it just because

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i've done all my elder content i'm like don't

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pull me back in i've done my time i've done my

00:23:01.009 --> 00:23:04.250
time leave me be i think the issue with a lot

00:23:04.250 --> 00:23:08.150
of the warhammer books now is that we there could

00:23:08.150 --> 00:23:10.069
be a lot of good books but we just need something

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to shake up the formula because um there's been

00:23:13.970 --> 00:23:15.690
a lot of you know i mean like there's a lot of

00:23:15.690 --> 00:23:18.759
good books but we need a new infinite and the

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divine. We need a new eyes. There needs to be

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something that's different from the rest of this.

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GW is hearing you loud and clear, Hal. We will

00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:27.779
be getting another Marnius Calgar mini suit.

00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:31.900
Yeah, baby! Damn, someone will be fighting in

00:23:31.900 --> 00:23:35.660
the background. Yeah, my dog. Gaming storyteller.

00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:38.180
Oh, yeah. I'm looking at how I look like. Yeah,

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Dutch, we're the same person. Dutch, send me

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a picture of your face and I'll make a tribute.

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It's this. Send me your mugshot. Bro, me and

00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.460
Dutch, me and Gaming Storyteller, turning up

00:23:51.460 --> 00:23:55.019
to the Mr. Beast lookalike competition. Wow.

00:23:55.980 --> 00:24:00.920
And yes, fella in chat, Icky Merle, they should

00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:02.920
buff the Eldar. Not because they need it, the

00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.359
Eldar are quite good, but because I'm bad at

00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:07.519
playing the Eldar, so they should make every

00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:09.640
Eldar the same stat line as like a Terminator.

00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:11.960
You don't need an Avatar of Cain in a 1k list,

00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:16.579
bro. I know I don't, but I want him. Is there

00:24:16.579 --> 00:24:22.160
one more Andy? Oh yeah, one more. From Lelith's

00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:26.859
most scrumptious busboy for 499. Gentlemen, I'm

00:24:26.859 --> 00:24:28.940
currently on my way to go elk hunting and I've

00:24:28.940 --> 00:24:31.539
bought a 6 ,000 point army to play my cousin.

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Am I too far gone at this point? Are you doing

00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.539
the elk hunting first or are you doing the gaming

00:24:37.539 --> 00:24:39.940
first? Because I feel like... That would change

00:24:39.940 --> 00:24:43.160
the dynamic of the match. Yeah, you should definitely

00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:46.420
hunt the elk and then plop it down next to the

00:24:46.420 --> 00:24:50.420
table. Immediately win the mind game victory.

00:24:51.140 --> 00:24:53.480
That sounds like a good weekend. Or just put

00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:59.609
it in his bed. Godfather style. Yeah. All right,

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I'm going to jump in, guys, to the next one because

00:25:01.789 --> 00:25:04.529
I thoroughly enjoy this one. I don't know if

00:25:04.529 --> 00:25:06.750
everyone here is a Horus Heresy enjoyer, but

00:25:06.750 --> 00:25:10.509
this is one which is for all that shout out to

00:25:10.509 --> 00:25:12.569
all my Imperium boys because we're going to enjoy

00:25:12.569 --> 00:25:16.349
this one. Have you guys heard of the King in

00:25:16.349 --> 00:25:19.950
Yellow? Oh, yeah. There's this guy called Hal,

00:25:19.990 --> 00:25:25.250
I know. It's really annoying. Well, I'm not talking

00:25:25.250 --> 00:25:27.700
about necessarily the King in Yellow. But I'd

00:25:27.700 --> 00:25:30.700
like to talk about something which is, once again,

00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.559
Warhammer strikes and grabs something from something

00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:38.160
else. And we are going to be talking about something

00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:43.500
called the City of Dust. This is, I guess it's

00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:46.980
been out for a while, but it's like the on the

00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:49.380
edge lore and it's the kind of a big narrative

00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:52.559
is forming around it. so we take ourselves back

00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.279
to the horrors heresy this is set during the

00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:59.200
siege of terror i know colin eli's favorite favorites

00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.720
like sub series of the entire set they don't

00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:06.420
shut up about it i love i love glup so much you

00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:09.819
don't have any idea i generally don't think colin

00:26:09.819 --> 00:26:11.980
eli will read the end of the death because even

00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:15.460
i who is an absolute you know i'll put the whole

00:26:15.460 --> 00:26:18.849
hog of heresy down my neck but that was a lot

00:26:18.849 --> 00:26:26.769
of like law that was quite a lot and you know

00:26:26.769 --> 00:26:28.569
what honestly i don't think i didn't i didn't

00:26:28.569 --> 00:26:30.609
like his parts but he wasn't as bad as i people

00:26:30.609 --> 00:26:33.549
had described it um so but so yeah back to the

00:26:33.549 --> 00:26:35.789
actual law parts again apologies if some things

00:26:35.789 --> 00:26:38.670
are not 100 because uh i'm going this off of

00:26:38.670 --> 00:26:41.769
like my what i remember from headcanon um but

00:26:41.769 --> 00:26:44.539
this is set during the siege of terror as at

00:26:44.539 --> 00:26:47.720
the final stages where malkador the hero now

00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:50.880
he ascends the golden throne poor emperor cries

00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:55.000
about it and the emperor is launching his attack

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against horus who has let down the shields of

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the vengeful spirit but this point now which

00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.680
the kind of newer law from the siege terror books

00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:07.380
the warp is so rampant like spreading over the

00:27:07.380 --> 00:27:11.609
entirety of terror itself that the topography

00:27:11.609 --> 00:27:16.450
and like the imperial palace like space uh the

00:27:16.450 --> 00:27:20.309
eventual spirit they start melding into one like

00:27:20.309 --> 00:27:27.069
clusterfuck of a realm and the emperor and horus

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they are both gathering warp energy and it said

00:27:29.990 --> 00:27:31.509
throughout this book that the emperor is kind

00:27:31.509 --> 00:27:33.849
of the reason he became more powerful than any

00:27:33.849 --> 00:27:36.269
other of the perpetuals or psychos before him

00:27:36.269 --> 00:27:39.700
was that he was able to which is They describe

00:27:39.700 --> 00:27:41.259
him like Prometheus. This is like a side bit,

00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:43.079
which I find interesting. They describe him like

00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:45.839
Prometheus, where he didn't make a deal with

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Chaos. He went into the realm of Chaos and stole

00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:51.960
the fire. And the secret was that he could take

00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:55.619
warp energy and essentially purify it and make

00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:59.480
it into his own power. And both Horus and the

00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:01.299
Chaos Gods are doing this sort of vice versa.

00:28:01.299 --> 00:28:03.759
They're just pumping energy into Horus. Both

00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.920
of them are ascending into what will become...

00:28:07.289 --> 00:28:11.950
the fifth chaos god called the Dark King. The

00:28:11.950 --> 00:28:16.789
Dark King is a chaos god of humanity. Eli Collin,

00:28:16.849 --> 00:28:21.089
what do you think is... Slaanesh is the god of

00:28:21.089 --> 00:28:25.089
the Eldar in some sense, isn't she? Even in fantasy,

00:28:25.210 --> 00:28:29.690
isn't Slaanesh... Slaanesh likes elf souls in

00:28:29.690 --> 00:28:33.740
fantasy, but she wasn't born of... like the elves

00:28:33.740 --> 00:28:35.859
doing anything particular that's just like you

00:28:35.859 --> 00:28:39.819
know the the favorite snack in in the end in

00:28:39.819 --> 00:28:42.619
the death eldra i think when they have the meeting

00:28:42.619 --> 00:28:45.299
all the uh ruling eldar and the ones from like

00:28:45.299 --> 00:28:48.200
camaraderie they mentioned how the dark king

00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.319
is essentially their version humanity's version

00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:55.859
of slanesh and it will be essentially a god of

00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:57.779
destruction like humanity itself is you know

00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:00.440
the whole big theme is like you know the eldar

00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:05.279
are um slave to their whims, pleasure, pain,

00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.359
all that kind of stuff. Humanities is destruction

00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.660
and death, basically. There'll be a new fifth

00:29:11.660 --> 00:29:16.700
chaos god of just annihilation. And in... Yeah,

00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:24.759
whoops. It's him. It's him. This melding of real

00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.359
space, the warp, imperial palace, the eventual

00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.859
spirit, creates something they call the inevitable

00:29:29.859 --> 00:29:35.720
city. And time itself is broken. Clocks stop

00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:39.200
working, which is really like everyone starts

00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.640
to notice why the clock's not ticking. And even

00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.819
Alanius, he makes an observation. He says, I

00:29:45.819 --> 00:29:47.619
recognize that building. That's from Prague.

00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:50.460
Like back in the day, like different parts of

00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:53.440
history are like melding into one thing. That's

00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.019
from my gap year. I was in Prague. It was awesome.

00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.480
Prague is a beautiful city. it is very nice and

00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:02.859
uh i went there for christmas once lovely and

00:30:02.859 --> 00:30:07.559
the emperor is on his way to kill horus well

00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.319
he's marching his way there uh the word bearers

00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.980
and chaos cultists are running away from him

00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:18.880
screaming terrified because they can only see

00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:24.339
the dark king and the dark king is being brutalized

00:30:24.339 --> 00:30:27.240
by the emperor and his psychic might the city

00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:31.150
starts to in specific wording, turns into a city

00:30:31.150 --> 00:30:34.789
of dust. And then obviously the heresy will end.

00:30:34.950 --> 00:30:37.369
That's enough Horus heresy. Colin and Eli can

00:30:37.369 --> 00:30:42.730
breathe easy. I'm free! I'm free! We're not done

00:30:42.730 --> 00:30:46.109
yet. It's confirmed that the Emperor is not the

00:30:46.109 --> 00:30:50.269
Dark King and he never will be. No. Because what

00:30:50.269 --> 00:30:53.730
is the inevitable city, Horus even calls, it

00:30:53.730 --> 00:30:56.109
is the realm of the Dark King. It is like a Slaanesh

00:30:56.109 --> 00:30:59.910
thing where... The Dark King will exist at some

00:30:59.910 --> 00:31:02.009
point. And so like Slaanesh, it has therefore

00:31:02.009 --> 00:31:05.250
always existed. Which I think is quite interesting.

00:31:06.430 --> 00:31:10.970
No, I like that. I don't hate that. But we then

00:31:10.970 --> 00:31:13.970
switch to the 40th millennium. And then we join

00:31:13.970 --> 00:31:16.529
up with the Eisenhorn slash Beta Beckwin series.

00:31:17.109 --> 00:31:19.789
Beta Beckwin, who, again, a very brief summary.

00:31:19.950 --> 00:31:23.049
Beta Beckwin is the kind of semi -quasi -clone

00:31:23.049 --> 00:31:26.329
of Beckwin from the Eisenhorn novels. She is...

00:31:26.750 --> 00:31:31.509
raised by these by the cognate in a place called

00:31:31.509 --> 00:31:35.450
the maison du which is a which is a sort of academy

00:31:35.450 --> 00:31:38.829
or like cognate training place yeah they well

00:31:38.829 --> 00:31:40.990
they thing is in here they think they're inquisition

00:31:40.990 --> 00:31:42.450
which is interesting enough but they're actually

00:31:42.450 --> 00:31:46.930
working for the cognate and the this is attached

00:31:46.930 --> 00:31:50.609
to the hive city called queen mab on a planet

00:31:50.609 --> 00:31:53.569
called sankor and it's very important that we

00:31:53.569 --> 00:31:56.279
remember those particular points in it like Queen

00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.819
Mab and Sankor are really weird. They're roaming

00:31:58.819 --> 00:32:03.019
like men lost to madness and they wear like armored

00:32:03.019 --> 00:32:06.400
face helms in like deserts. And it's like a really

00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.380
bizarre place. And it's like, again, I really

00:32:09.380 --> 00:32:12.380
cannot get across how weird it is. And through

00:32:12.380 --> 00:32:14.460
the events of the series, eventually many different

00:32:14.460 --> 00:32:18.180
things happen, but eventually Bequin opens a

00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:20.920
random door. I should say here, Bequin is a blank.

00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.000
Just like Beckwin in the previous Eisenhorn series.

00:32:24.099 --> 00:32:26.519
Beta Beckwin is a blank. She's able to speak

00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.680
a word of enunciate and not take any damage,

00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.900
not to have anything wrong with her, which, and

00:32:32.900 --> 00:32:34.839
then were bearers try and like kidnap her. It

00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:39.339
gets weird. Beckwin opens a random door. One,

00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:41.359
she's trying to run away from this emperor's

00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:45.039
children, space Marine called techie, who is

00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.200
considered he's like this beautiful oil. And

00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:52.440
he's called me. His name sounds like a skinks.

00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:56.440
He kind of, but he, he's like this perfect, like

00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:58.460
being one. He's called like the smiling one.

00:32:58.539 --> 00:33:00.400
Cause he's got a creepy eyes. He's always smiling.

00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.000
And he's been like hunting them. And people have

00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.960
been like Beckman's like human group have been

00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.299
like trying desperately to run away from him.

00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.359
Again, if people read the Eisenhorn series, they

00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.920
know that they're with a character who's a part

00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.619
of a house glow. He was from the original Eisenhorn

00:33:17.619 --> 00:33:19.220
series. So it's quite interesting, like nice

00:33:19.220 --> 00:33:23.849
link there. Beckwin opens this door, and then

00:33:23.849 --> 00:33:26.730
she realizes she's not on the planet they were

00:33:26.730 --> 00:33:28.509
originally on. It was like a swampy area. She

00:33:28.509 --> 00:33:32.549
finds herself in a pocket dimension, which she

00:33:32.549 --> 00:33:37.009
sees in front of her a city of dust. And immediately

00:33:37.009 --> 00:33:39.069
to her eyes, she notices this is like a weird

00:33:39.069 --> 00:33:42.849
mirror to the structures on Queen Mab on Sankor.

00:33:43.309 --> 00:33:46.769
And then later throughout the book, Beckwin will

00:33:46.769 --> 00:33:49.029
team up with characters like Eisenhorn and Ravenna,

00:33:49.029 --> 00:33:52.869
who... show up in this series and by the end

00:33:52.869 --> 00:33:54.829
of the second book she's able to enter the city

00:33:54.829 --> 00:33:57.490
again because they're trying to find the secret

00:33:57.490 --> 00:34:00.890
of eisenhorn's nemesis which is the king in yellow

00:34:00.890 --> 00:34:03.529
which is the name he's managed to gleam from

00:34:03.529 --> 00:34:05.829
his previous interactions with the cognate which

00:34:05.829 --> 00:34:09.030
the king in yellow as for the series is not part

00:34:09.030 --> 00:34:11.190
of the cognate but has used them slash works

00:34:11.190 --> 00:34:14.110
with them and the cognate think he's basically

00:34:14.110 --> 00:34:19.570
used them uh when beckwin is captured by guards

00:34:19.570 --> 00:34:23.530
at this area she finds weird like space marine

00:34:23.530 --> 00:34:27.289
angels with wings she's escorted by custodians

00:34:27.289 --> 00:34:31.170
through this city of dust and she'll be eventually

00:34:31.170 --> 00:34:34.630
be taken to the king in yellow and she's eventually

00:34:34.630 --> 00:34:38.289
able to use annuncia to help herself escape really

00:34:38.289 --> 00:34:40.969
that damn third book but it's quite interesting

00:34:40.969 --> 00:34:44.809
how this what was the inevitable city we at least

00:34:44.809 --> 00:34:46.489
we this is like this is the theory crafting of

00:34:46.489 --> 00:34:48.510
it it might have been the inevitable city which

00:34:48.969 --> 00:34:52.829
is a quote -unquote creation of the dark king

00:34:52.829 --> 00:34:55.030
or whatever will be the dark king slash the emperor

00:34:55.030 --> 00:34:58.849
and horus's weird mix of like it's a mirror of

00:34:58.849 --> 00:35:02.230
the imperial palace the vengeful spirit other

00:35:02.230 --> 00:35:05.429
parts of terror and then other parts of human

00:35:05.429 --> 00:35:09.090
history and it's like a broken version of that

00:35:09.090 --> 00:35:12.170
and the king in yellow supposedly exists in this

00:35:12.170 --> 00:35:15.130
pocket realm and man it's a very cool i don't

00:35:15.130 --> 00:35:17.599
like i do find this Part of the lore, very interesting.

00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:21.360
If anyone wants some background stuff, King in

00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.559
Yellow, obviously being from H .P. Lovecraft's

00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:28.980
work, links to what's called Los Carcosas, the

00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:31.039
city of Los Carcosas. And there's a thing about

00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:33.340
if you see the yellow sign, a little symbol,

00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:36.320
you basically are driven mad. Or if you read

00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.219
from the original Ambrose story, where you read

00:35:40.219 --> 00:35:42.960
the book, and if you read further enough into

00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.059
the book or the poem, I think, you eventually...

00:35:45.469 --> 00:35:48.110
starts going mad there's a funny part where one

00:35:48.110 --> 00:35:49.550
of the characters like he thinks he's dressed

00:35:49.550 --> 00:35:52.250
as like a royal king or something like that and

00:35:52.250 --> 00:35:54.889
he then doesn't realize he's like got like tinfoil

00:35:54.889 --> 00:35:56.389
and like crappy things wrapped around his head

00:35:56.389 --> 00:35:59.710
but he sees a crown and majestic things he thinks

00:35:59.710 --> 00:36:01.349
he wants to be like an emperor of america it's

00:36:01.349 --> 00:36:05.090
really bizarre but um again yeah boys i need

00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:08.150
to know how you think they're gonna i don't care

00:36:08.150 --> 00:36:09.750
i don't know if you necessarily everyone has

00:36:09.750 --> 00:36:12.119
read these parts of 40k lore again i'm sorry

00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.960
if i butchered some details on it but i do find

00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.659
the city of dust part very interesting and then

00:36:17.659 --> 00:36:21.500
i guess see i have the idea i don't know if you

00:36:21.500 --> 00:36:23.960
guys will agree with this do you think constantin

00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.340
valdor being the king in yellow is like a red

00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:30.820
herring like it's not real i mean if it is it's

00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:32.420
probably just going to be a disappointing one

00:36:32.420 --> 00:36:34.599
like if they go ah it wasn't him then it's like

00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:36.260
what then what was the point of all this build

00:36:36.260 --> 00:36:41.190
-up maybe i will I would hate it if they pulled

00:36:41.190 --> 00:36:43.909
out it's actually Dawn, but I don't think they

00:36:43.909 --> 00:36:47.809
will. Or it's going to be it's actually this

00:36:47.809 --> 00:36:49.329
character you've never met before and we've created

00:36:49.329 --> 00:36:51.510
bespoke for this particular instance. That would

00:36:51.510 --> 00:36:54.710
suck. Just make it Valador, that's fine. I'm

00:36:54.710 --> 00:36:57.989
happy. I think it might be because during the

00:36:57.989 --> 00:37:02.150
Siege of Terror, Valador does fight Abaddon.

00:37:02.889 --> 00:37:06.269
and with his apollonian spear he's able to perceive

00:37:06.269 --> 00:37:09.210
like the life and the memories of all those he

00:37:09.210 --> 00:37:12.010
stabs with it and when abaddon basically gets

00:37:12.010 --> 00:37:15.849
a little as they say from chaos when he sees

00:37:15.849 --> 00:37:19.170
when he stabs abaddon he foresees to spoiler

00:37:19.170 --> 00:37:22.550
to spoiler literally a future of madness unending

00:37:22.550 --> 00:37:25.989
war and death and it drives valdoria kind of

00:37:25.989 --> 00:37:29.250
a bit insane he goes bad touch bad touch on and

00:37:29.250 --> 00:37:33.619
on and on I am curious about more specifics if

00:37:33.619 --> 00:37:35.559
they have a reveal for the Inevitable City, because

00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:37.940
this is the second Inevitable City in Warhammer.

00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:42.059
There's one in the Chaos Wastes and Fantasy that's

00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:44.659
like a hub of chaos, and I think it's actually

00:37:44.659 --> 00:37:47.800
the old fantasy MMO of all things. It's like

00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.139
a chaos hub area, so I'm curious what they'll

00:37:51.139 --> 00:37:54.360
do with that, especially because, you know, Veldor's

00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:59.320
not quite chaos, even as King Guy. I do... Oh,

00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:00.739
yeah. Sorry, Dutch is saying about, yeah, any

00:38:00.739 --> 00:38:05.840
drongomaticus. Yeah, I do think I hope it's Constantine,

00:38:05.900 --> 00:38:08.719
though, because that'll be good. But again, I

00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:13.699
love the mystery part of is where like, where

00:38:13.699 --> 00:38:17.880
are these custodians coming from? Why are there

00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:23.190
sanguineous like? why they're blood angels. There's

00:38:23.190 --> 00:38:25.630
a weird part where Beckwin finds the crucified

00:38:25.630 --> 00:38:28.650
bones of a space marine which had angel wings.

00:38:29.289 --> 00:38:33.449
So Dan Abnett, he does make some crazy shit.

00:38:33.829 --> 00:38:37.989
And there's parts where, again, it's obviously

00:38:37.989 --> 00:38:41.449
the cognate on not in this city of dust, but

00:38:41.449 --> 00:38:44.050
what force is laying within this city of dust

00:38:44.050 --> 00:38:48.329
and what is their purpose? They're obviously

00:38:48.329 --> 00:38:53.030
clearly not... This is like 500 M40. This is

00:38:53.030 --> 00:38:57.809
500 years before any 13th Black Crusade. And

00:38:57.809 --> 00:39:02.190
they've not shown up. And obviously the theory

00:39:02.190 --> 00:39:06.869
is the King in Yellow is trying to find the true

00:39:06.869 --> 00:39:10.230
name of the Emperor. Does anyone want to explain

00:39:10.230 --> 00:39:16.130
what true names are? I mean, it's a common thing

00:39:16.130 --> 00:39:20.320
in a lot of media. demons or something's true

00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.639
name you can bind it you've got power over it

00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.000
you can make you know packs with it much more

00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:31.000
safely i think then which may be that king in

00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.360
yellow constantine valdor may wish to either

00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.039
kill the emperor or seek to control the emperor

00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:41.059
in some way and then or bring him off the throne

00:39:41.059 --> 00:39:44.039
or maybe kill him entirely who knows and then

00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.880
obviously if Constantine Valder wants to bring

00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.179
him off the throne. Who has to put him back on

00:39:49.179 --> 00:39:50.780
the throne, which is the Grey Knights, which

00:39:50.780 --> 00:39:52.719
is probably why the Terminus Decree thing was...

00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:57.099
I'm seeing the vision. I do think it's quite

00:39:57.099 --> 00:39:58.559
stupid, obviously, the Terminus Decree stuff,

00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.940
slightly, but I see the vision, which will be

00:40:01.940 --> 00:40:03.920
interesting, because I think Dan Abnett had at

00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.739
one point said he would love to write Custodians

00:40:06.739 --> 00:40:11.739
versus Grey Knights. So... Okay, I'm not going

00:40:11.739 --> 00:40:15.920
to, like, grim, but... Not bad. I mean, we've

00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.980
played Dawn of War. The whole plot of that game

00:40:17.980 --> 00:40:20.239
is everyone is beating the snot out of everyone

00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.420
else, including the sisters, guard, and space

00:40:23.420 --> 00:40:27.719
brains all going, put them up. But it's that

00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.460
thing of, I don't understand, like with mysteries,

00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.199
it's almost better talking about the mystery

00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:35.219
than it is unveiling it. So I wish there's, so

00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.920
I hope once they do it, there's more to it as

00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.460
well after. Well, yeah. I mean, it's obvious

00:40:39.460 --> 00:40:41.699
statement is obvious, but once you explain the

00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:44.829
mystery, there's no more mystery. it is very

00:40:44.829 --> 00:40:47.110
again it's hard to do the description of these

00:40:47.110 --> 00:40:49.650
places justice but this one i think is particularly

00:40:49.650 --> 00:40:52.469
i do enjoy this one obviously being someone who's

00:40:52.469 --> 00:40:54.329
a lovecraft fan that would well not necessarily

00:40:54.329 --> 00:40:57.389
him but as in the concepts of the worlds very

00:40:57.389 --> 00:40:59.730
much you know shout not shout out to his cat

00:40:59.730 --> 00:41:05.010
but you know that uh that has interesting concepts

00:41:05.010 --> 00:41:08.210
and i do like the fact of it's being uh using

00:41:08.210 --> 00:41:10.250
like an interesting way in 40k i don't know if

00:41:10.250 --> 00:41:12.750
anyone had any do you think it's Because, again,

00:41:12.809 --> 00:41:14.989
I don't know if it's not Xenos. You guys, I don't

00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:16.750
know if you want to cook with it. But Andy, maybe

00:41:16.750 --> 00:41:20.630
you might enjoy it. Eli, what's up? All this

00:41:20.630 --> 00:41:23.010
Emperor and Imperial lore is too much for my

00:41:23.010 --> 00:41:28.650
Chud Xenos brain. I will say I do two things

00:41:28.650 --> 00:41:30.889
about The Dark King I kind of like is that, one,

00:41:31.030 --> 00:41:34.789
it's an older lore retcon in some ways I'm quite

00:41:34.789 --> 00:41:37.210
okay with. Because, you know, go back far enough

00:41:37.210 --> 00:41:39.750
and it's like the, you know, Nurgle, Zeench,

00:41:39.929 --> 00:41:43.940
and Khorne all had... like creation dates corresponding

00:41:43.940 --> 00:41:46.860
with like humanity's middle ages, which I'm not

00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:48.599
a fan of that because then you look, Oh, it's

00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.780
one planet of people made three chaos gods. And

00:41:52.780 --> 00:41:54.639
then it's like, Hey, Eldar empire, you made one.

00:41:55.739 --> 00:41:58.480
That's, that's kind of, kind of whack. Shout

00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.420
out to the guy who said the cat of his father.

00:42:00.500 --> 00:42:03.619
Thank you. Isn't there a thing in like, I've

00:42:03.619 --> 00:42:06.599
been getting through the Wolf tack books, the

00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:08.920
Orc, and it's all about the Drew Kari saying

00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:11.929
about how. humanity are kind of weird because

00:42:11.929 --> 00:42:14.550
they they burn way brighter than any other race

00:42:14.550 --> 00:42:16.449
but they also burn out quicker where it's like

00:42:16.449 --> 00:42:18.769
they're massive game changers that's why they

00:42:18.769 --> 00:42:21.329
have such a a volatile relationship with the

00:42:21.329 --> 00:42:23.369
warp that's why they have more chaos gods that's

00:42:23.369 --> 00:42:26.489
why they they spread like rats they're just able

00:42:26.489 --> 00:42:28.769
to cause way more mayhem than any other species

00:42:28.769 --> 00:42:30.570
because there's just something about them that's

00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:34.420
like a catalyst but also that basically damns

00:42:34.420 --> 00:42:37.099
them to never be able to be a stable rulership,

00:42:37.099 --> 00:42:38.860
because it's like, you guys are always breaking

00:42:38.860 --> 00:42:41.380
shit. I don't know. You guys are silly billies.

00:42:41.500 --> 00:42:45.059
I don't know. This all sounds like it'll be leading

00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:48.940
up to absolute malice sweep. I'm expecting a

00:42:48.940 --> 00:42:52.780
malice sweep soon. I don't know. I also, the

00:42:52.780 --> 00:42:55.960
Dark King, I like him in concept, like the humanity

00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:59.679
chaos god. I just, I think nine years was a little

00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.739
bit too quick for him to be cooking and almost

00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:06.349
born. I think, well, there was two possibilities,

00:43:06.449 --> 00:43:10.250
which was that during the Siege of Terra, the

00:43:10.250 --> 00:43:13.769
Chaos Gods were going to incidentally create

00:43:13.769 --> 00:43:17.050
one and basically create another Eye of Terra

00:43:17.050 --> 00:43:21.889
where Terra was. So this was going to be through

00:43:21.889 --> 00:43:24.269
the Chaos Gods because initially everyone thought

00:43:24.269 --> 00:43:26.429
that Horus would be the Dark King. But because

00:43:26.429 --> 00:43:29.750
the Emperor starts to take on board so much warp

00:43:29.750 --> 00:43:35.639
energy, more than Horus, beat him the fact like

00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:40.000
the like i mean like time stopped as like aramins

00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.860
like weirdly in the cc terror books at the end

00:43:41.860 --> 00:43:44.760
he even says like prophecy doesn't work anymore

00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.440
eldrad and the um the other farseers all the

00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.760
other leaders of different craft worlds and the

00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.199
nobles who are still alive at this point from

00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:59.019
uh comrade they can't perceive a future the future

00:43:59.019 --> 00:44:01.960
is not either they said either something's interrupting

00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.420
it or it's there isn't it's not there anymore

00:44:04.420 --> 00:44:09.980
like everyone's going to die so i like that again

00:44:09.980 --> 00:44:11.860
like they really raised the stakes on that point

00:44:11.860 --> 00:44:15.780
but the kind of big mystery like that i guess

00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:18.920
is the true unsolved thing is there will be a

00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:24.360
dark king so who is the dark king who will become

00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:27.639
you know the one that basically kills humanity

00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.900
or at some point you know in the far future you

00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:34.400
know it is it was spared from the 30th millennium

00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:38.559
but at what point will you know essentially there

00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.280
be another birth of a chaos god or in some way

00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:44.940
a smaller version of a sunesh sort of thing you

00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:47.059
know how big will humanity be which again i find

00:44:47.059 --> 00:44:50.099
that very uh interesting and i wish to see where

00:44:50.099 --> 00:44:52.860
they go with that um rarest pepe colin is not

00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:56.170
the dark king He has dark hair, but he is in

00:44:56.170 --> 00:44:59.110
fact not a dark king. He's not the dark king.

00:45:00.030 --> 00:45:04.789
Do you want to do some donations, Andy? You're

00:45:04.789 --> 00:45:11.989
on mute, Andy. Andy! I'm here. I'm muting out

00:45:11.989 --> 00:45:15.449
my coughing because I'm a bit poorly. I'll save

00:45:15.449 --> 00:45:17.610
this one though. Donkey Man USA, new Halo reveal,

00:45:17.730 --> 00:45:22.199
profoundly mid. Unsurprising. Of course. Such

00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:26.139
as the state of affairs of Halo. Vandals are

00:45:26.139 --> 00:45:29.659
in charge of my beloved. Who wants this one?

00:45:30.980 --> 00:45:33.820
ScaryRaptor51, thank you for the $4 .99. Hal,

00:45:33.980 --> 00:45:37.239
I too am turning 30. Next month, in fact. Here's

00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:38.900
the secret. If you never look in the mirror,

00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.280
the wrinkles don't exist. I have mine. Consume

00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.199
all. Thank you very much. I appreciate that,

00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:46.400
brother. Happy birthday. In one month. Mm -hmm.

00:45:47.139 --> 00:45:51.230
Goddamn. Last one for now. Who wants this one?

00:45:51.710 --> 00:45:56.090
Colin is asking. Angriomunculus with the five

00:45:56.090 --> 00:45:59.530
euros, pounds, pardon me. Thank you very much.

00:46:00.369 --> 00:46:02.050
Speaking of skinks, Colin, did you know that

00:46:02.050 --> 00:46:04.489
the Seraphon slash Lizardmen are getting a book

00:46:04.489 --> 00:46:06.929
by the dude who did Day of Ascension? Kilmain,

00:46:06.949 --> 00:46:10.349
Berm, Kilma. I did not know that, no. I saw that

00:46:10.349 --> 00:46:12.190
picture today, actually, and there's a model

00:46:12.190 --> 00:46:14.130
that comes with it as well. It's a skink, isn't

00:46:14.130 --> 00:46:18.320
it? Nice. That does look pretty cool. By the

00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:21.039
way, I'm going to make myself some Lemsip for

00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.480
my sore throat. So I will return the game visuals,

00:46:24.820 --> 00:46:27.639
but I will just be two minutes because I'm a

00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:31.460
poorly boy. Sorry, boys. Poorly Andy. Well, to

00:46:31.460 --> 00:46:33.079
be fair, for the rest of the guys here, I do

00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:34.880
have another offering, which is a bit of a short

00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:39.079
one. But I quite like this one because it's a

00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:42.239
bit weird. This is probably some that some people

00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:43.380
may have heard this one before. I don't know

00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:46.900
if you guys have, but it's Artifact 9 Kappa MU.

00:46:47.500 --> 00:46:50.000
I don't know if you have. I'm not sure. Bless

00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:57.679
you. Well, essentially, we go to the Sol system,

00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.500
and I mean literally like Terra, Mars, Venus,

00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.880
basically our home system. This is set during

00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.199
the Horus Heresy, but all the way up to the 41st

00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:13.559
millennium. There is a 30 -kilometer planetoid.

00:47:14.349 --> 00:47:17.449
that is set i think it's is is what's it is this

00:47:17.449 --> 00:47:20.650
in the call and fabius book is this in gene father

00:47:20.650 --> 00:47:22.949
i think they go here in gene father unless i'm

00:47:22.949 --> 00:47:25.309
thinking of something else it might be something

00:47:25.309 --> 00:47:28.789
different from the artificial planet mate well

00:47:28.789 --> 00:47:32.449
i'll read a bit more we'll see sorry this is

00:47:32.449 --> 00:47:35.929
a um this is a planetoid which is i just like

00:47:35.929 --> 00:47:40.530
30 kilometers across it is described as a geose

00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:44.219
I can't even say this word, bro. Geosedic sphere

00:47:44.219 --> 00:47:48.860
of black metal. Its design is like honeycomb

00:47:48.860 --> 00:47:55.739
passages. It has catacombs. No one knows where

00:47:55.739 --> 00:47:59.780
this thing comes from. You cannot detect it by

00:47:59.780 --> 00:48:04.079
any normal means. So it would be like Auspex

00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:08.110
or long range scanners, anything. It is completely

00:48:08.110 --> 00:48:11.570
undetectable unless through the naked eye or

00:48:11.570 --> 00:48:15.510
you can touch it. It is, again, made of not oily

00:48:15.510 --> 00:48:18.329
black stone, any other concept like black stone,

00:48:18.550 --> 00:48:22.349
but is a black metal. Nobody knows where this

00:48:22.349 --> 00:48:24.929
thing comes from. It was discovered shortly by

00:48:24.929 --> 00:48:28.030
the Mechanicum kind of around, I guess, the 30th

00:48:28.030 --> 00:48:30.530
millennium, like Great Crusade era. It's been

00:48:30.530 --> 00:48:33.730
known for quite a while. The Mechanicum, such

00:48:33.730 --> 00:48:37.849
Mechanicus, they research it. they know nothing

00:48:37.849 --> 00:48:43.030
about it they cannot discern anything they have

00:48:43.030 --> 00:48:46.570
tried to shoot it they have tried to launch nukes

00:48:46.570 --> 00:48:49.989
other things with it it is apparently completely

00:48:49.989 --> 00:48:54.449
indestructible this is like near jupiter or something

00:48:54.449 --> 00:48:56.809
like this is this thing floating in his own orbit

00:48:56.809 --> 00:49:01.489
and nobody knows what it is for people think

00:49:01.489 --> 00:49:03.409
it's possibly from the dark age of technology

00:49:03.409 --> 00:49:06.300
which for references, like when the golden age

00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:10.239
of mankind's technological height was. And it

00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:13.059
appears, if everyone looks at the Sudaterra,

00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.639
like a map they made for the Sudaterra books,

00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:19.219
on the Solar War map, you can see that it is

00:49:19.219 --> 00:49:24.420
marked out. And previously it's been used, everyone,

00:49:24.539 --> 00:49:27.280
Eli hates this book. If you remember Eli, it's

00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:32.570
in Praetorian of Dawn. Eli hates this book because

00:49:32.570 --> 00:49:38.010
Alpha Legion reacted stupid in this one. The

00:49:38.010 --> 00:49:41.469
Alpha Legion used this as a sort of way station

00:49:41.469 --> 00:49:45.670
slash secret base during what would be the prelude

00:49:45.670 --> 00:49:48.230
to the Siege of Terror when the Alpha Legion

00:49:48.230 --> 00:49:50.909
agents are essentially stealing the plans for

00:49:50.909 --> 00:49:56.239
the Sol System slash Dawn's built defenses. They

00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:57.780
have different agents. Another one, they have

00:49:57.780 --> 00:50:02.599
a meeting place on this weird planetoid. And

00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:08.039
the Imperial Fist, which is Arcamus, who's one

00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.860
of the first ever Imperial Fists, he actually

00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:14.380
leads a kill team to go capture slash eliminate

00:50:14.380 --> 00:50:19.400
or find the Alpha Legion here. it's kind of again

00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.260
like even since the siege of terror it's been

00:50:22.260 --> 00:50:24.920
seen as a thing where basically there's only

00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.219
two like no one knows what to do with this thing

00:50:28.219 --> 00:50:31.960
what it is for is unkillable just floats around

00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:36.199
in the soul system uh it could be made by necrons

00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.360
or old ones even or again humanity's golden age

00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:41.980
um but there's only two things they've done with

00:50:41.980 --> 00:50:44.659
it so far which is either again horus heresy

00:50:44.659 --> 00:50:49.570
secret base And the Mechanicus, or Adeptus Mechanicus,

00:50:49.730 --> 00:50:53.570
have devices set around it that just scream a

00:50:53.570 --> 00:50:57.429
signal, do not come near, go away. That's all

00:50:57.429 --> 00:51:00.670
they can do with this weird thing. And they basically

00:51:00.670 --> 00:51:04.630
gave it the designation 9 Kappa MU. Oh, I've

00:51:04.630 --> 00:51:07.670
got fireworks outside. How lovely. Sorry, guys,

00:51:07.730 --> 00:51:11.860
for that. But it is a really weird thing. it's

00:51:11.860 --> 00:51:14.719
just randomly in the soul system but i do like

00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:19.199
like it's a sort of weird um sort of unsolved

00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.059
little mysteries again but this is that's a little

00:51:21.059 --> 00:51:25.019
small offering but i have a another one as well

00:51:25.019 --> 00:51:28.800
which is i have to lean on to the eisenhorn stories

00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:32.940
uh how many here have read eisenhorn i read two

00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:36.039
i read two of them so long ago i have not read

00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:40.110
them I have not read them either. I have been

00:51:40.110 --> 00:51:42.670
given a blessing by Dutch that I will share with

00:51:42.670 --> 00:51:49.329
the class. Please do. Oh, no. Do you want to

00:51:49.329 --> 00:51:52.010
describe it for the audio listeners, Colin? Sure.

00:51:52.230 --> 00:51:55.489
It's what appears to be an imperial map of the

00:51:55.489 --> 00:51:59.969
soul system where our good friend Dutch has very

00:51:59.969 --> 00:52:04.550
kindly added a picture of Hal mid -sentence labeled

00:52:04.550 --> 00:52:07.860
Artifact 9 Kappa Mu. Let me have a look. Hold

00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:10.059
on. If I do this for a second, I can put it on

00:52:10.059 --> 00:52:14.579
screen. Thank you, King. Appreciate it. No worries.

00:52:15.739 --> 00:52:18.300
It's definitely not the place I go to in the

00:52:18.300 --> 00:52:22.460
call books. I would highly doubt it. Because

00:52:22.460 --> 00:52:26.539
Fabi's file also shows that. You got Hal, Artifact

00:52:26.539 --> 00:52:30.039
9 Kappa. Yeah, which is weird to make it into

00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:33.239
the Seeker Tarot stuff slash Soul System ones.

00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.809
But understandable. in some sense i guess it

00:52:36.809 --> 00:52:39.969
is a it again no i don't know if anyone here

00:52:39.969 --> 00:52:44.050
is probably a theory maybe the old ones maybe

00:52:44.050 --> 00:52:47.409
the next ones it's the next ones possibly always

00:52:47.409 --> 00:52:49.889
the next one but i don't think terror has a tomb

00:52:49.889 --> 00:52:52.269
world underneath it i think it'd be funnier if

00:52:52.269 --> 00:52:56.730
it was just there it's just hanging out yep it

00:52:56.730 --> 00:53:01.789
is just there um but this next one which i quite

00:53:01.789 --> 00:53:04.719
like this one this is And the beautiful year,

00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.159
I think, of 2004, this book. I can't remember

00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:09.860
what happened then. I don't think Eli was even

00:53:09.860 --> 00:53:14.760
born. What? 2004? You're basically like, bro

00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:20.500
was still a sperm. I was in Canada by 2004. A

00:53:20.500 --> 00:53:22.380
little more than a gleam in his father's eye.

00:53:22.900 --> 00:53:27.739
Unbelievable. Well, this is set during the finale

00:53:27.739 --> 00:53:31.000
of the Eisenhorn trilogy, which is the third

00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:36.280
book. which is Hereticus. And as I love this

00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.539
book, I want to say this sentence here, if anyone

00:53:38.539 --> 00:53:41.539
knows their glossier, which is Thorn requires

00:53:41.539 --> 00:53:44.920
Talon, shades of Eternity. Oh, I fucked it up.

00:53:45.019 --> 00:53:48.260
Damn it. Sorry. Thorn requires Talon, shades

00:53:48.260 --> 00:53:51.400
of Eternity, rapturous beasts below, which is

00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:57.579
Eisenhorn's secret little code that they use

00:53:57.579 --> 00:54:01.159
in his inquisitorial agents. He created his own

00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.239
thing. So Thorn requires Talon, which is Eisen

00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.760
Thorn. Eisenhorn requires, would like to speak

00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:11.920
to Talon, which is nicknamed for Ravenna. And

00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:14.820
then Shades of Eternity can mean chaos, rapturous

00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:17.679
beast below, expect enemy resistance. They have

00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.639
like a quite cool little something. I worked

00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.260
that out, by the way, for my own Eisenhorn video.

00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.139
I kind of broke Glossier a little bit, which

00:54:24.139 --> 00:54:25.940
is hilarious because in the books they say like,

00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:27.920
oh my God, he broke Glossier. It's like, it's

00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.099
not that hard. It's like when you're trying to

00:54:30.099 --> 00:54:32.880
like swear with your mum around, but also you're

00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:34.280
like, I don't want her to know I'm swearing.

00:54:34.340 --> 00:54:35.980
So you make it up with your friends and you have

00:54:35.980 --> 00:54:39.900
code words. Yeah. Oh, Greg from school's a dick.

00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:41.400
And he's like, yeah, I'm just going to make,

00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:47.610
oh, it's like, oh, Garg from. duel is dog kig

00:54:47.610 --> 00:54:53.269
yeah that's the code word for greg i have a complicated

00:54:53.269 --> 00:54:56.809
this one is set during what would be again it's

00:54:56.809 --> 00:54:58.230
been a hot minute since i've read this book but

00:54:58.230 --> 00:55:00.630
i do really recommend eisenhorn book so very

00:55:00.630 --> 00:55:04.789
fun the throughout the book we discover that

00:55:04.789 --> 00:55:09.150
someone's been with eisenhorns like he's been

00:55:09.150 --> 00:55:12.840
killing off um their little like entourage of

00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:14.940
blanks they've been killing off his agents other

00:55:14.940 --> 00:55:18.900
things and they find out like he kept certain

00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:21.440
chaos artifacts as well they knew he had chaos

00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:25.780
artifacts and it leads to again spoilers but

00:55:25.780 --> 00:55:30.000
all law is spoilers um this leads to a point

00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.659
where he discovers that someone the person who's

00:55:32.659 --> 00:55:35.780
messing with him has been pontius galore who

00:55:35.780 --> 00:55:41.219
he believes to be long gone slash dealt with

00:55:41.219 --> 00:55:44.780
or not dead but as in he last saw glor when he

00:55:44.780 --> 00:55:47.579
transferred him into like a servitor robot or

00:55:47.579 --> 00:55:50.780
something and he kept him with like a magos you

00:55:50.780 --> 00:55:53.900
know in a prison turns out he broke out of prison

00:55:53.900 --> 00:55:56.639
killed the magos most likely and he was like

00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:01.260
his friend and uh pontius is back on the block

00:56:01.260 --> 00:56:03.820
he's and he's been messing with those things

00:56:03.820 --> 00:56:07.739
the pontius is The thing is, Pontius wasn't killing

00:56:07.739 --> 00:56:10.920
Eisenhorn. He's an antagonist who's as intelligent

00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:13.719
as Eisenhorn. He wasn't targeting Eisenhorn because

00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:16.679
he had a personal vendetta necessarily. There

00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:18.440
was something that he needed from Eisenhorn,

00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.860
which was the Malice Codicium, which is a chaos

00:56:21.860 --> 00:56:26.440
tome, specifically. And throughout the entirety

00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:29.980
of Hereticus, he eventually leads where he joins

00:56:29.980 --> 00:56:34.340
up with Ravenna again. And Ravenna... at this

00:56:34.340 --> 00:56:38.480
point, allies himself with Eldar and Farseers,

00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:41.139
who they respect Ravenna because Ravenna, despite

00:56:41.139 --> 00:56:45.039
being in a hovering wheelchair, they consider

00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.880
him one of the good ones in terms of humans because

00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.099
Ravenna has a respectable amount of psychic power.

00:56:50.380 --> 00:56:53.119
Even though he's in Ordos Xenos, which is hilarious,

00:56:53.260 --> 00:56:57.280
he's supposed to hunt Xenos. Ravenna works with

00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.559
Eldar because Eldar foresee him as being sort

00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.900
of trustworthy and also he will... Again, they

00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:06.719
play with fates and they actually team up with

00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:10.079
the Eldar to go hunt down Pontius Galore, who

00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:13.840
they realize is going to enact this great weapon.

00:57:14.179 --> 00:57:17.219
But the big mystery comes when they are able

00:57:17.219 --> 00:57:19.920
to, is it a seance or something? Or like they

00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:23.679
perceive a certain recreation or something that

00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:26.119
happened in history where... Pontius Glor, who's

00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:29.500
been put into this new artificial golden body,

00:57:29.659 --> 00:57:33.719
and it's muscly, like a walking sculpture. They

00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:37.739
perceive this. They go to a planet, and they're

00:57:37.739 --> 00:57:39.539
able to see what he sees. And they travel to

00:57:39.539 --> 00:57:43.500
this planet that is completely not on the maps.

00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:46.440
It's impossible to find almost, apart from, again,

00:57:46.619 --> 00:57:48.860
they have to use a seance to see it. I don't

00:57:48.860 --> 00:57:51.280
know if seance is the right word, but they recreate

00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:55.030
Pontius discovering this thing. and what's interesting

00:57:55.030 --> 00:57:58.730
about this kind of desert -y like green hazy

00:57:58.730 --> 00:58:02.789
planet is it's described as a so they arrive

00:58:02.789 --> 00:58:06.250
in at this point eisenhorn has been messed up

00:58:06.250 --> 00:58:08.230
like his legs don't work properly he has like

00:58:08.230 --> 00:58:11.030
his like proper device attached like the crew

00:58:11.030 --> 00:58:12.949
thing attached to the back of his head and it's

00:58:12.949 --> 00:58:15.389
he's he's grim he's lost loads of his friends

00:58:15.389 --> 00:58:19.550
have died uh it's not good and they appear in

00:58:19.550 --> 00:58:23.820
this uh like they go underground in these tombs

00:58:23.820 --> 00:58:27.000
things and they find what is quote a cyclopean

00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:31.239
city of glassy black rock that has been so long

00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:35.559
vanished that it's become a like a psychic phantom

00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.420
of itself remains and he says it's he finds it

00:58:38.420 --> 00:58:42.199
fascinating terrifying and so few things in the

00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:45.380
universe had made him feel insignificant which

00:58:45.380 --> 00:58:48.659
is incredibly weird to say for someone who has

00:58:48.659 --> 00:58:52.510
been in literal hive cities and higher planets

00:58:52.510 --> 00:58:56.230
and the interesting part about this law is that

00:58:56.230 --> 00:58:59.869
on this planet it is said to be a planet built

00:58:59.869 --> 00:59:04.409
by demons like quote the myth like the man of

00:59:04.409 --> 00:59:06.369
cardism i think even says maybe or other parts

00:59:06.369 --> 00:59:08.309
in the law i has been it's been a hot minute

00:59:08.309 --> 00:59:11.530
since i read the book but supposedly this is

00:59:11.530 --> 00:59:15.650
where a demon king's realm was and a demon king

00:59:15.650 --> 00:59:19.760
called Ysaril? Ysaril. And this is where his

00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.880
tomb was laid. The city was built by demons and

00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.880
his tomb there lays a great weapon. And I think

00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:30.260
in the exact quote is, I don't know, I think

00:59:30.260 --> 00:59:32.380
he says, I could make out little of the dark

00:59:32.380 --> 00:59:35.559
gulf below, but there was something there, something

00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:39.380
the size of a great imperial hive city. I discerned

00:59:39.380 --> 00:59:42.860
a black geometric shape that was fashioned from

00:59:42.860 --> 00:59:47.900
neither stone nor metal nor even bone. But it

00:59:47.900 --> 00:59:51.639
seemed all those things at once. It was repellent,

00:59:51.659 --> 00:59:56.920
dead but alive, dormant, but filled with a slumbering

00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:00.440
power of a million stars. The Baroque of the

01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:04.280
Demon King, Ysario's chariot of unholy battle,

01:00:04.460 --> 01:00:07.579
his instrument of apocalypse, with which he had

01:00:07.579 --> 01:00:10.500
scoured the warped fortresses and habitations

01:00:10.500 --> 01:00:14.320
of his own reality in wars too dreadful to imagine.

01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:19.019
And it eventually leads up to where Eisenhorn

01:00:19.019 --> 01:00:23.440
is able to use the now rebound Cherubael, his

01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.760
demon host, the set before the Beta Bequin stories.

01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:33.599
And Cherubael fights another demon host of Pontius.

01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.880
And Eisenhorn is eventually able to slay slash

01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:40.119
destroy the device that keeps his soul bound

01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:44.599
to the construct that his body is in. eisenhorn

01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:48.380
just fucks off leaves this world and you know

01:00:48.380 --> 01:00:50.480
destroys records of it so no one will ever find

01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:54.159
this impossible fortress of again because when

01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.300
it's in the scene in the book him and other characters

01:00:57.300 --> 01:01:01.579
like walk in and they just see this city and

01:01:01.579 --> 01:01:03.719
it's they're seeing it from like high up and

01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:08.059
they're like it doesn't end and it's The doors

01:01:08.059 --> 01:01:11.059
and other structures are of an impossible size

01:01:11.059 --> 01:01:14.039
that you cannot even imagine what once lay here.

01:01:14.300 --> 01:01:16.239
Which, again, is a really... And this, again,

01:01:16.340 --> 01:01:18.599
once, interestingly enough, never revisited again.

01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:22.519
That's in that planet. This demon -created planet.

01:01:23.900 --> 01:01:26.420
But I think it's a cool unsolved thing of, did

01:01:26.420 --> 01:01:29.619
demons really build this planet? Is it Blackstone?

01:01:29.739 --> 01:01:32.460
Because this is long before the concept of Blackstone

01:01:32.460 --> 01:01:35.400
slash prior Nexus or anything like that, really.

01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:37.400
Or maybe this might have been the first time

01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:39.719
someone even mentioned it. It's hard to tell.

01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:43.800
Again, not perfect on the lore in this, but the

01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:48.820
idea of this city, which is, is it Necron? Is

01:01:48.820 --> 01:01:53.599
it Eldari? Is it Old One? Or is it neither of

01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:55.579
those things? Or is it, you know, is it Warp?

01:01:57.219 --> 01:02:00.619
Absolute, complete mystery. Who knows? But I

01:02:00.619 --> 01:02:03.159
think people might enjoy that one. Again, if

01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:04.679
you want to learn more about some of these stuff,

01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:07.280
don't go... Go read the Eisenhorn trilogy because

01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:09.920
I made a video about that as well. Go watch that.

01:02:09.980 --> 01:02:13.159
Actually, that's easier. They did go read the

01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:15.320
books because there's so many more details in

01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:17.860
that one, though. I've got two more as well.

01:02:17.940 --> 01:02:20.980
Is there another few donors? We can stop there.

01:02:21.019 --> 01:02:24.760
That's a good point. Andy's audience is broken.

01:02:26.340 --> 01:02:32.179
Oh, no. Oh, no. Okay. He said he's listening

01:02:32.179 --> 01:02:36.239
on his phone. So I think you can hear us. I cannot

01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.800
hear you guys, but I think I can talk to you.

01:02:38.860 --> 01:02:40.559
So I'm listening on the phone, but we can get

01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.059
through some donations because I'm a few steps

01:02:42.059 --> 01:02:45.920
behind. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, kings and queens

01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:49.900
listening. Sorry. Stealthy47, thank you for the

01:02:49.900 --> 01:02:52.880
$5. The biggest mystery in 40K is does white

01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:54.960
girl music still exist? I sure hope it does.

01:02:55.099 --> 01:02:59.679
Dude, last Friday night is eternal. Give me Britney

01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:06.179
any day. That's good too. Chris M. Thank you

01:03:06.179 --> 01:03:09.239
for the five. Can't catch the whole episode because

01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:10.980
of work, but finally caught a pod live and wanted

01:03:10.980 --> 01:03:12.780
to toss some support your way. Thank you, man.

01:03:12.900 --> 01:03:18.900
Thank you very much. Hope work goes well. Appreciate

01:03:18.900 --> 01:03:23.539
that, man. Thank you. Colin's husband oiled up

01:03:23.539 --> 01:03:27.039
and bouncing spooky stuff for two bucks. Great.

01:03:27.179 --> 01:03:29.420
Now I got to get caught up on Halo. Oh, yeah.

01:03:29.460 --> 01:03:33.579
They also, by the way, the new campaign. Halo

01:03:33.579 --> 01:03:39.019
campaign evolved. Wow. Thanks. Fucking firing

01:03:39.019 --> 01:03:44.199
on all cylinders with that one. Thank you, Warp

01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:46.340
Dust dealer. Thank you very much for the $10.

01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:50.139
You little mouse slash rat. I got a 12 pack of

01:03:50.139 --> 01:03:53.699
that Warp Dust that you can only find walking

01:03:53.699 --> 01:03:56.360
along the Black Dust transport paths in the Outdoor.

01:03:56.579 --> 01:03:59.820
I'm sipping on that Beastman Brain Kurgan Shadowland

01:03:59.820 --> 01:04:03.570
Grown Dark Evil pack. Thank you. Yeah, man. Those

01:04:03.570 --> 01:04:09.730
were English words. Maybe. KaijuBlue for $4 .99.

01:04:09.989 --> 01:04:12.329
The Halo reveal made me cry, so I came to watch

01:04:12.329 --> 01:04:15.230
this instead. Everyone faring well. Doing good,

01:04:15.269 --> 01:04:22.210
man. Doing good. Tragic. Colin is not having

01:04:22.210 --> 01:04:25.590
a day. No, no. But that's part and parcel with

01:04:25.590 --> 01:04:29.929
being a Halo fan in modern day. I don't know

01:04:29.929 --> 01:04:32.980
if... Yeah, perfect. I have another one for the

01:04:32.980 --> 01:04:35.260
offerings, but this one might be one that actually

01:04:35.260 --> 01:04:39.800
the boys might know, slash can chip in on, which

01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:44.539
is the origins of the Tyranids. This is an interesting

01:04:44.539 --> 01:04:46.639
one. This will be some details the boys here

01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:49.480
will know, which is, again, background for this

01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:52.239
one, which is during the Horus Heresy on the

01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:57.380
world of Sotha, set during the Imperium Secundus

01:04:57.380 --> 01:05:01.329
Giliman Sanguinis Lion Empire thing. the Pharos

01:05:01.329 --> 01:05:03.869
device, which is I think on the planet Sotha.

01:05:04.289 --> 01:05:09.150
Yeah, on the world of Sotha. This was thought

01:05:09.150 --> 01:05:11.329
to be like an ancient Necron device, which allowed

01:05:11.329 --> 01:05:15.510
traversal of space in an instant. It could act

01:05:15.510 --> 01:05:19.190
like a lighthouse for like a beacon, similar

01:05:19.190 --> 01:05:21.429
to the Astronomicon and the warp, but could shine

01:05:21.429 --> 01:05:24.809
on other locations, which is interesting. This

01:05:24.809 --> 01:05:27.650
was eventually destroyed by Barabas Dantioch

01:05:27.650 --> 01:05:30.369
of the Iron Warriors, a loyalist. before people

01:05:30.369 --> 01:05:33.510
say, to prevent the Night Lords, you know, Trace

01:05:33.510 --> 01:05:36.170
Legion from taking it, slash, you know, appearing

01:05:36.170 --> 01:05:39.429
on Terra, you know, great thing for Horus. This

01:05:39.429 --> 01:05:42.309
destruction of this device was so great that

01:05:42.309 --> 01:05:46.170
it created a little blip, a little, you know,

01:05:46.329 --> 01:05:50.449
wow signal, as they say, in the warp. And it

01:05:50.449 --> 01:05:53.909
was so strong that it caught the sight of, quote,

01:05:54.030 --> 01:05:59.320
an endless hunger in the dark. We then, well,

01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:03.320
this is not, this is even before here. When Sarek,

01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.659
the silent king, post -war in heaven, he had

01:06:06.659 --> 01:06:09.119
failed his people slash, you know, because of

01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:12.519
guilt for what he had done to his people. He

01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:15.039
would go on a self -imposed exile. But when we

01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.320
say self -imposed, we mean he goes with a bunch

01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:20.980
of his other guards because the man is like,

01:06:21.059 --> 01:06:23.679
well, I'm still a king, you know. And for, quote,

01:06:23.699 --> 01:06:26.679
millions of years, he traversed the void of space.

01:06:27.500 --> 01:06:31.960
until he discovered a Hive Mind, an entity of

01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:35.260
unending mass and malice that sought to consume

01:06:35.260 --> 01:06:39.960
everything. And interesting enough with the Imperium

01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:46.500
though, the first recorded contacts is in 771

01:06:46.500 --> 01:06:50.340
M41, which is the planet Tyron, which would then

01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:52.340
go on to name what would be the entities we know

01:06:52.340 --> 01:06:57.989
as the Tyranids. And obviously We know that there

01:06:57.989 --> 01:06:59.690
may be other instances, but I'll get to that

01:06:59.690 --> 01:07:03.489
in a second. For what we perceive as the great

01:07:03.489 --> 01:07:07.690
tendrils of this hive mind, they are invading

01:07:07.690 --> 01:07:11.590
the Milky Way galaxy in the 41st millennium.

01:07:11.849 --> 01:07:18.130
And they are not invading it from one side. It

01:07:18.130 --> 01:07:22.920
is coming from every angle. are coming on from

01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:24.719
the side. Some of them are coming from what would

01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:27.280
be, I guess, the top or other parts of the Milky

01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.460
Way galaxy. This is supposedly coming at the

01:07:30.460 --> 01:07:34.260
Milky Way from all directions, which is, again,

01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:36.920
hard to even imagine. If you think about the

01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:40.280
size of a galaxy, it's almost incomprehensible.

01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:46.920
It is theorized, though, at least, that there

01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:50.000
may have been other instances of things like

01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:53.079
earlier sightings of what would be tyranid bioform

01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:55.460
so obviously the the main example being that

01:07:55.460 --> 01:08:00.760
uh the uh kill team for uh death watch they obviously

01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:02.920
came across gene stealers which obviously genesis

01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:05.980
are the forerunners from the literal gene stealer

01:08:05.980 --> 01:08:10.449
uh slash patriarchs and other invasive creatures

01:08:10.449 --> 01:08:13.570
like leading the sort of you know initial you

01:08:13.570 --> 01:08:16.250
know hunger hunger signals and hunger flags being

01:08:16.250 --> 01:08:18.810
like over here you know the big the bigger the

01:08:18.810 --> 01:08:25.069
play and landing signals and the thanks they're

01:08:25.069 --> 01:08:28.130
coming from every angle guys thanks that's going

01:08:28.130 --> 01:08:32.609
into the supercut um the there are other examples

01:08:32.609 --> 01:08:34.189
which is i don't know if you guys thought this

01:08:34.189 --> 01:08:37.010
maybe the some of the animals on katachan might

01:08:37.010 --> 01:08:41.500
be like offshoot slash if if turners are not

01:08:41.500 --> 01:08:43.859
connected to the hive mind they do become feral

01:08:43.859 --> 01:08:47.760
and act like normal creatures um colin might

01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.979
remember this though there's a buried uh part

01:08:50.979 --> 01:08:53.880
of like a massive tyrannid beast buried in one

01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:56.279
of the kyphos kane novels which is when they're

01:08:56.279 --> 01:09:00.119
fighting uh the orcs oh yeah yeah it's this massive

01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.619
underground tyrannid thing but i don't know if

01:09:03.619 --> 01:09:05.960
it was a tyrannid Do you remember they say in

01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:08.100
that story they thought it predated some of the

01:09:08.100 --> 01:09:13.260
earlier incursions of Tyranids? They do say that,

01:09:13.300 --> 01:09:17.699
yeah, it seems likely that it... It arrived before

01:09:17.699 --> 01:09:21.779
the official naming of Tyranids. Yeah. It's very

01:09:21.779 --> 01:09:25.979
possible that happened. Fenris? There must be.

01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.640
There's things about specifically the Kraken

01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:32.729
or other... creatures or offshoots so there's

01:09:32.729 --> 01:09:34.390
even certain things where people theorize like

01:09:34.390 --> 01:09:36.689
it may have like earlier like offshoots or like

01:09:36.689 --> 01:09:39.569
certain things happened in thousands of years

01:09:39.569 --> 01:09:42.289
even before like the main sort of hive fleets

01:09:42.289 --> 01:09:45.210
have actually arrived uh my favorite detail which

01:09:45.210 --> 01:09:48.670
is the fact that the swarm lord who uh is just

01:09:48.670 --> 01:09:50.750
there to be beaten up by ultramarine apparently

01:09:50.750 --> 01:09:53.930
um his weapons i said i might have to correct

01:09:53.930 --> 01:09:56.189
me here eli they're said to be forged by like

01:09:56.189 --> 01:10:00.060
like a metal or a crystal that's not like, crystalline

01:10:00.060 --> 01:10:02.779
structure that's not possibly, like, it's not

01:10:02.779 --> 01:10:05.739
possible to find it within the Milky Way. Yeah,

01:10:05.819 --> 01:10:08.800
that is, that is, or although how they know that,

01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:13.680
uh, I'm not so sure. Yeah, no one's studied it.

01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.760
Have you checked every planet in the Milky Way

01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:20.460
if this thing is on it? Yeah, that is, that is,

01:10:20.460 --> 01:10:22.899
that is one thing. It's like, you know, the Imperium

01:10:22.899 --> 01:10:25.420
controls a million worlds. That sounds very impressive,

01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:28.520
but that's like, there's billions in the galaxy.

01:10:29.420 --> 01:10:31.460
i do like that the lore says it comes from an

01:10:31.460 --> 01:10:35.380
extra like other other galaxy other plane just

01:10:35.380 --> 01:10:37.880
other galaxy i guess this is a lot of things

01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:41.479
this comes like the big crux part which i uh

01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:44.239
don't know what you guys think where do you believe

01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:46.680
that the tyranids have well either the theories

01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.600
like they consumed their own galaxy like so it

01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:52.159
was like an organism that eventually evolved

01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:54.439
into a hive mind there are other examples of

01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:57.850
hive mind structures like things like um the

01:10:57.850 --> 01:11:01.630
crave in the 40k verse which similarly have like

01:11:01.630 --> 01:11:04.350
a hive mind but they have like other domineering

01:11:04.350 --> 01:11:07.350
minds in like a hive mind structure they're like

01:11:07.350 --> 01:11:10.909
minds connected whereas the tyranids are it is

01:11:10.909 --> 01:11:14.909
a one central nervous system and then it has

01:11:14.909 --> 01:11:17.770
you know mindless creatures within it not like

01:11:17.770 --> 01:11:21.350
thinking creatures like the crave um i don't

01:11:21.350 --> 01:11:24.210
know if the tyranids basically just consumed

01:11:24.210 --> 01:11:27.029
their own galaxy or the fact that the tendrils

01:11:27.029 --> 01:11:30.310
are coming from multiple different places that

01:11:30.310 --> 01:11:33.489
it it implies like oh the turn is just consume

01:11:33.489 --> 01:11:38.270
galaxies like galaxies multiple i don't know

01:11:38.270 --> 01:11:43.609
how you guys like eli what do you think i i i

01:11:43.609 --> 01:11:45.430
don't know i always subscribe to the theory that

01:11:45.430 --> 01:11:48.050
they have been traveling around eating other

01:11:48.050 --> 01:11:50.630
galaxies and now they're coming to earth i mean

01:11:50.630 --> 01:11:56.319
the milky way but also like I don't know, maybe

01:11:56.319 --> 01:11:59.279
that would imply that they're all over the place.

01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:03.079
I don't know, they keep coming in bigger forces,

01:12:03.140 --> 01:12:07.279
so they're supposed to be Vanguard forces. I'm

01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:10.760
not entirely sure, because it's like, it doesn't

01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:13.199
really make a lot of sense that they just keep

01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:16.899
showing up with not enough to do the job, when

01:12:16.899 --> 01:12:19.000
if they just showed up with everything around,

01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:21.920
well, maybe they're busy doing other stuff. I

01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:25.819
wonder if GW even knows. where their origins

01:12:25.819 --> 01:12:28.039
are or if they even made origins for them but

01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:31.899
is there um sorry like because i can't hear where

01:12:31.899 --> 01:12:34.039
you are but i was just listening on my phone

01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:37.000
is it what's your opinion on the idea that maybe

01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:39.119
the tyranids have completely starved out all

01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:40.680
the other galaxies have eaten out they've picked

01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:43.460
it clean and now there's only one game left there's

01:12:43.460 --> 01:12:47.060
only one buffet left to pinch from and that's

01:12:47.060 --> 01:12:49.920
too hard way it's too hard to believe that because

01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:52.119
they're all showing up at different times and

01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:54.520
they're not showing up in a big enough amount

01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:57.000
to imply that they've eaten everything else maybe

01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:59.359
not everything but them showing up at different

01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:01.760
times does help imply they've gotten more than

01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:03.560
one just because it's going to take different

01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:06.000
amounts of time to travel from different galaxies

01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:11.779
especially but also then like if each if that

01:13:11.779 --> 01:13:16.100
theory is the case then then in theory each high

01:13:16.100 --> 01:13:20.760
fleet was consuming its own galaxy but like each

01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:23.840
high fleet isn't even enough To get through more

01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:25.260
than, like, a dozen planets in the Milky Way?

01:13:25.260 --> 01:13:27.739
To get through than the single, like, ultramarines.

01:13:27.779 --> 01:13:31.920
Yeah. I don't know, it's really... I don't know.

01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:34.239
I like to think they've at least, they've gotten

01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:36.979
a couple under their belt, but I don't believe

01:13:36.979 --> 01:13:41.479
they've gotten all of the other galaxies. It's...

01:13:42.090 --> 01:13:44.369
It's so complicated because GW will never let

01:13:44.369 --> 01:13:46.329
the Tyranids win in any major conflict ever.

01:13:46.390 --> 01:13:48.729
They will only destroy no -named planets with

01:13:48.729 --> 01:13:51.050
no -named characters on them. The potential man

01:13:51.050 --> 01:13:56.189
of 40k. If and when, but never will. It's always

01:13:56.189 --> 01:13:59.210
implied that they're the strongest threat out

01:13:59.210 --> 01:14:02.670
there, but they show up and they do scary things

01:14:02.670 --> 01:14:05.710
and then they die. That's just how GW writes

01:14:05.710 --> 01:14:08.390
factions. That's every faction that's come out

01:14:08.390 --> 01:14:11.489
since the game began. The Tomb Kings were the

01:14:11.489 --> 01:14:13.689
scariest. The Necrons were the scariest. The

01:14:13.689 --> 01:14:16.489
Tyranids were the scariest. The League of Luton

01:14:16.489 --> 01:14:20.149
currently have the most bestest technology. Give

01:14:20.149 --> 01:14:21.770
it five minutes. They're going to make a new

01:14:21.770 --> 01:14:26.270
Tau kit that's super Dark Age advanced. Yeah.

01:14:26.630 --> 01:14:29.029
Tyranids are still number one in my mind. Tyranids

01:14:29.029 --> 01:14:32.909
and then Necrons and then everything else. There's

01:14:32.909 --> 01:14:38.779
an old sheet. Come on. There's an offshoot to

01:14:38.779 --> 01:14:42.279
this theory, which is, which did the Hive, sorry,

01:14:42.340 --> 01:14:45.659
the Zarak, the Silent King, essentially, where

01:14:45.659 --> 01:14:49.640
did he encounter these? Because he clearly foresaw

01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:53.840
the destruction of the Tyranids, but you can

01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:55.640
only foresee the destruction of the Tyranids

01:14:55.640 --> 01:14:58.420
actually consuming something. And if he was in

01:14:58.420 --> 01:15:00.779
the void of space, it's just an endless hunger.

01:15:02.229 --> 01:15:05.770
famously necron technology is not exactly uh

01:15:05.770 --> 01:15:09.569
warp infused shall we say so not even they probably

01:15:09.569 --> 01:15:11.710
don't even necessarily notice what would be the

01:15:11.710 --> 01:15:14.329
equivalent of their um the hive mind creating

01:15:14.329 --> 01:15:17.489
like a shadow in the warp um but there's an interesting

01:15:17.489 --> 01:15:21.609
offshoot to this sort of uh theory underneath

01:15:21.609 --> 01:15:24.130
it which is they obviously come from another

01:15:24.130 --> 01:15:28.029
galaxy or slash you know or Either they were

01:15:28.029 --> 01:15:29.869
part of the galaxy, left, and then it's come

01:15:29.869 --> 01:15:33.029
back. I assume it's not that though. It comes

01:15:33.029 --> 01:15:36.149
from another galaxy. The Tyranids, when they

01:15:36.149 --> 01:15:39.930
arrived, were not familiar with fighting Chaos.

01:15:40.970 --> 01:15:44.529
Or at least... It creates a shadow in the warp,

01:15:44.630 --> 01:15:48.180
so the warp clearly exists in other... if there

01:15:48.180 --> 01:15:50.279
are other galaxies or, you know, if the Tyranids

01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:52.859
killed them, whatever. But they clearly did not

01:15:52.859 --> 01:15:55.260
have to, either other galaxies are not full of

01:15:55.260 --> 01:15:59.699
sentient life slash biomass enough to create

01:15:59.699 --> 01:16:04.460
emotions that create things like warp entities

01:16:04.460 --> 01:16:06.579
or, you know, there's nothing that chaos can

01:16:06.579 --> 01:16:11.100
latch onto because the high fleets arriving later

01:16:11.100 --> 01:16:15.569
have since had to adapt to fight chaos. I don't

01:16:15.569 --> 01:16:18.170
know if anyone can pick up the specific high

01:16:18.170 --> 01:16:21.670
fleet. Is it Kronos? No, I don't think it's Kronos.

01:16:22.310 --> 01:16:26.010
No, it's not Tiamat. Is it Tiamat? Or is Tiamat

01:16:26.010 --> 01:16:28.430
the one building that big tower? Someone in the

01:16:28.430 --> 01:16:30.710
chat might be able to correct us. There's a specific

01:16:30.710 --> 01:16:33.229
high fleet, I do believe, that works in tandem

01:16:33.229 --> 01:16:37.729
with another one. Tiamat's the big tower. What

01:16:37.729 --> 01:16:42.750
was that, Andy? Oh, I didn't get it. I didn't

01:16:42.750 --> 01:16:47.310
hear Andy, sorry. Andy, speak! We're going to

01:16:47.310 --> 01:16:50.289
have to wait a whole minute for it to... Was

01:16:50.289 --> 01:16:54.189
it High Fleet Dagon? Maybe. I think Dagon was

01:16:54.189 --> 01:16:56.550
that one that showed up during the Great Crusade.

01:16:57.210 --> 01:17:03.529
I think it's Kronos. So, Kronos, correct me if

01:17:03.529 --> 01:17:05.869
I'm wrong on the law, Kronos works in tandem

01:17:05.869 --> 01:17:08.350
with either other tendrils of itself or other

01:17:08.350 --> 01:17:12.180
High Fleets where... that one is specific chronos

01:17:12.180 --> 01:17:14.399
is specifically designed to fight warp entities

01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:17.899
which gives it which gives it no biomass and

01:17:17.899 --> 01:17:21.180
therefore it other planets leave biomass available

01:17:21.180 --> 01:17:23.640
for chronos to take later but it's interesting

01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:28.239
like initially when i think it's stated in 40k

01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:31.000
law when the tyrannos arrived into the milky

01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:34.680
way they did not have high fleet chronos specialized

01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:37.000
in this way because the attorneys can adapt That's

01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:39.020
the thing, obviously, well -known, any environment,

01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:42.119
anything. They adapt on the fly, but they didn't

01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:47.020
come in prepared to fight warp entities. So therefore,

01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:50.640
in other galaxies, there's not necessarily what

01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:52.819
would have been the opposition. I mean, they

01:17:52.819 --> 01:17:55.000
came in obviously looking like what modern Tyrianids

01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:57.899
look like now. In some ways, they may have changed,

01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:00.680
but they've got their standard form. But they

01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:05.560
obviously... Either they had no idea. About necessarily

01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:09.239
the idea of chaos. Perhaps. Does the hive mind

01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:12.439
perceive chaos? Does it know? Well it notices

01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:14.840
it. Because I think part of Kronos' lore. Is

01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:18.479
that instead of fighting. Like hive fleets normally

01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:21.479
do. If they encounter each other. Other hive

01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:23.720
fleets will actually strip planets. And leave

01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:27.100
it for Kronos. That's what I was saying. Because

01:18:27.100 --> 01:18:29.079
demons aren't made out of food. They're made

01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:33.789
out of psychic nothing. So. They have to perceive

01:18:33.789 --> 01:18:36.369
it, especially because Kronos came about after

01:18:36.369 --> 01:18:38.630
the Great Rift. They in some way have to be aware

01:18:38.630 --> 01:18:42.970
of it. But they also know enough to create a

01:18:42.970 --> 01:18:45.630
shadow in the warp effect. Because usually when

01:18:45.630 --> 01:18:48.630
there's collective consciousness in Warhammer,

01:18:48.810 --> 01:18:52.170
it actually creates more warp than it, you know,

01:18:52.170 --> 01:18:54.329
it creates a more like a, it's like that thing

01:18:54.329 --> 01:18:56.890
of like black holes or gravity. It creates like

01:18:56.890 --> 01:18:59.750
a divot in real space. You know, the example

01:18:59.750 --> 01:19:03.600
of the... the ball inside like the sheet and

01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.359
it like bends it like that the same thing with

01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:09.939
psychic anything with sentience it creates ripples

01:19:09.939 --> 01:19:12.819
is why eldar create bigger ripples than humans

01:19:12.819 --> 01:19:14.420
because they feel a lot i guess the hive mind

01:19:14.420 --> 01:19:17.680
doesn't really feel a lot it just feels one thing

01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:21.699
in a huge body it certainly felt hate after ariel

01:19:21.699 --> 01:19:24.819
stabbed it it does feel hate as well it's interesting

01:19:24.819 --> 01:19:26.619
because it went for the blood angels home world

01:19:26.619 --> 01:19:29.079
missing other things because it wanted to kill

01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:30.680
them specifically because it was stopping them

01:19:31.100 --> 01:19:34.720
stopping it eating. That was Leviathan, I think.

01:19:34.859 --> 01:19:38.180
Is it Leviathan for Siege of Baal? Yeah, that

01:19:38.180 --> 01:19:40.960
was Leviathan. I can't remember. What is the

01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:44.819
lore reason that taranted fleets don't just get

01:19:44.819 --> 01:19:47.899
shot everywhere they go because they move quite

01:19:47.899 --> 01:19:53.220
slowly through the warp? They can. I think they

01:19:53.220 --> 01:19:56.319
make gravitational corridors that they are still

01:19:56.319 --> 01:20:00.000
FTL. And it's real space FTL, so they don't go

01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.199
through the warp. Because I think they've got

01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:04.920
a thing called a narval that lets them do that.

01:20:05.140 --> 01:20:10.479
Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. Sure. I guess. This is

01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:13.659
crazy stuff. But it'd be interesting that they...

01:20:13.659 --> 01:20:17.800
It means as a sort of side effect is they obviously...

01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:21.399
The hive mind is aware of the warp. because it

01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:23.739
creates a shadow in the warp and it knows that

01:20:23.739 --> 01:20:26.659
from previous fights slash before it got to the

01:20:26.659 --> 01:20:30.619
milky way you must create a shadow in the warp

01:20:30.619 --> 01:20:33.279
to prevent things from using it to communicate

01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:35.680
or other sense but it didn't have any concept

01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:39.039
of chaos possibly which is an interesting theory

01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:41.539
does it does it create because i've always read

01:20:41.539 --> 01:20:43.779
it as just the shadow and the warp is just a

01:20:43.779 --> 01:20:47.140
side effect of there being like so many billions

01:20:47.140 --> 01:20:50.689
of like screaming beings all on the exact same

01:20:50.689 --> 01:20:53.149
page that it's just like you can't get through

01:20:53.149 --> 01:20:56.090
like the radio static they just oh so you think

01:20:56.090 --> 01:20:58.470
it's a block rather than like i don't i don't

01:20:58.470 --> 01:21:00.550
think the shadow and the warp is on purpose i

01:21:00.550 --> 01:21:03.289
think when them making chronos is stronger was

01:21:03.289 --> 01:21:06.430
on purpose but as i understand it the shadow

01:21:06.430 --> 01:21:08.609
and the warp is just kind of a thing they cause

01:21:08.609 --> 01:21:11.329
like it's not like not like a blank but rather

01:21:11.329 --> 01:21:14.670
uh like a buzzing noise well yeah it's just because

01:21:14.670 --> 01:21:16.569
like a tiered high fleet is full of you know

01:21:17.500 --> 01:21:20.579
billions or more of creatures on the exact same

01:21:20.579 --> 01:21:23.439
wavelength that just drowns out anything else.

01:21:24.119 --> 01:21:26.300
It is vulnerable to the warp as well, as we saw

01:21:26.300 --> 01:21:29.760
with the creation of the Great Rift that split

01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:32.239
the galaxy in two. It literally reeled in pain

01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:34.899
and it screamed. It had a couple of tear dits

01:21:34.899 --> 01:21:36.720
as a snack when that happened, a couple of high

01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:41.520
fleets. Yeah, and it cut tendrils in half even

01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:43.979
at some points, which is interesting. But yeah,

01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:47.319
interesting that... the we'd not again i don't

01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:49.760
know if we'll ever know uh the mystery of where

01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:52.779
they came from sash what their history was have

01:21:52.779 --> 01:21:57.260
they killed you know entire galaxies or are they

01:21:57.260 --> 01:22:00.539
simply just a parasite from other ones if we

01:22:00.539 --> 01:22:02.800
get the horus heresy of the tyranids before any

01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:05.520
war in heaven lore i'm gonna be deeply upset

01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:09.300
there's there's also the classic that they're

01:22:09.300 --> 01:22:11.600
they're running away from something even scarier

01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:14.319
than the yeah well that they've Well done away

01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:17.140
with that. That was like a one paragraph thing

01:22:17.140 --> 01:22:18.819
that I don't think was even mentioned in the

01:22:18.819 --> 01:22:21.720
OG Rogue Trader book. Just fan theory, that's

01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:26.359
all. There was like one passage in something

01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:28.460
official GW. It's been a while since I read it,

01:22:28.500 --> 01:22:32.239
but there was like one small little hint, but

01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:35.380
even then it was a maybe. Like it wasn't they

01:22:35.380 --> 01:22:38.380
are, it was a could they be running from something?

01:22:40.810 --> 01:22:43.390
I'm still not sure if anyone at GW actually knows

01:22:43.390 --> 01:22:45.430
the answer to this question, if there is a real

01:22:45.430 --> 01:22:48.350
answer. It was the same with what is the answer

01:22:48.350 --> 01:22:50.729
of the Lost Primarchs. There isn't one, and there

01:22:50.729 --> 01:22:54.069
never has been one. I wasn't going to use that

01:22:54.069 --> 01:22:56.569
for this episode, though. But I'll say before

01:22:56.569 --> 01:22:59.390
we get to the... You guys are good? I do have

01:22:59.390 --> 01:23:03.010
one thing that I've always found funny as a possibility

01:23:03.010 --> 01:23:05.949
for why the Tyranids, aside from the Shadow and

01:23:05.949 --> 01:23:07.430
the Warp, didn't really have anything for Chaos.

01:23:08.380 --> 01:23:10.119
It's because the warp's a reflection of, you

01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:13.439
know, like, real space, right? Someone brought

01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:15.279
it up. It's like, the reason could be, it's like,

01:23:15.300 --> 01:23:18.079
yeah, every other galaxy is just infinitely nicer

01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:21.020
than the Milky Way in 40K, so they didn't have

01:23:21.020 --> 01:23:24.439
to worry about chaos gods, because nowhere else

01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:28.100
is as much of a shithole as the Milky Way. I

01:23:28.100 --> 01:23:29.800
guess it means that the chaos gods are almost,

01:23:30.100 --> 01:23:32.960
despite being the warp, I guess, is only really

01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:37.670
interested in the Milky Way. I mean, They have

01:23:37.670 --> 01:23:40.250
to be, because if you leave the galaxy, the warp

01:23:40.250 --> 01:23:42.430
becomes calm because there's no life forms, which

01:23:42.430 --> 01:23:46.189
would then imply that Khorne very much has a

01:23:46.189 --> 01:23:49.130
limit on how far he can reach. Because if the

01:23:49.130 --> 01:23:50.989
warp was still a sea of mess, then he could,

01:23:51.029 --> 01:23:53.409
you know, pluck you from outside there too. But

01:23:53.409 --> 01:23:55.229
if it calms down, that's because, well, then

01:23:55.229 --> 01:23:57.569
there can't be chaos. Because if there was chaos,

01:23:57.750 --> 01:23:59.949
it wouldn't be calm. Unless the Tyranids ate

01:23:59.949 --> 01:24:01.729
the other universes, so therefore there's no

01:24:01.729 --> 01:24:05.340
more chaos there. Well, I guess we'll... We never

01:24:05.340 --> 01:24:08.399
know, or maybe we will, but there doesn't seem

01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:12.000
to be... They had to learn how to fight warp

01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:14.619
entities, so I should evolve on the fly. They

01:24:14.619 --> 01:24:16.239
didn't do it immediately. They didn't come in

01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:19.319
with a plan, if you know what I mean. Or they

01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:21.119
knew how to do it instantly. They had to learn.

01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:26.079
The plan was hunger. Me hungry. It obviously

01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:27.920
got annoying enough for them to specialize in

01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:31.300
killing it, which is hilarious. I think before

01:24:31.300 --> 01:24:34.260
we... i have one kind of bigger one i'd like

01:24:34.260 --> 01:24:37.739
to finish up on uh andy if he can hear us at

01:24:37.739 --> 01:24:46.979
this point again again people in the chat like

01:24:46.979 --> 01:24:50.659
in the comment section please do put down some

01:24:50.659 --> 01:24:56.800
mysteries if you are interested uh colin oh great

01:24:58.080 --> 01:25:00.140
Thankful's Warp Does dealer. Colin, if you need

01:25:00.140 --> 01:25:01.920
a new pancreas, I got the hookup with Throt.

01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:05.319
They use the strain on Gorge to keep them rolling.

01:25:05.380 --> 01:25:08.180
Just smoke this with one part chamomile, one

01:25:08.180 --> 01:25:11.779
part anabolic steroids, and you'll be flying.

01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:14.979
Huge. Huge news. If it doesn't come out of a

01:25:14.979 --> 01:25:19.079
bottle or a dime bag, I'm not interested. And

01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:21.539
Bean, thank you, Bean, for $5. Someone flipped

01:25:21.539 --> 01:25:23.420
over a really big rock, and that's where the

01:25:23.420 --> 01:25:27.569
tier names came from. You think so? Yes. I want

01:25:27.569 --> 01:25:30.189
to, come on, get silly with one more thing again,

01:25:30.270 --> 01:25:32.350
GW. Just one more thing where it's like, where

01:25:32.350 --> 01:25:37.229
did this come from? I found it in a rock. Okay,

01:25:37.289 --> 01:25:40.050
I'm going to go to the last one here, which is,

01:25:40.189 --> 01:25:42.529
I don't know if anybody else here, maybe Andy's

01:25:42.529 --> 01:25:45.229
the only person who might have read this. This

01:25:45.229 --> 01:25:48.029
is from, this hurts my soul because it's a cool

01:25:48.029 --> 01:25:50.409
concept and then it's kind of flubbed in the

01:25:50.409 --> 01:25:54.939
books, but this is from the Ahriman novels. This

01:25:54.939 --> 01:26:00.079
is for the idea that has the mystery behind what

01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:03.239
is called the pyrodomon. I'm not going to lie.

01:26:03.460 --> 01:26:06.039
When I read these books. I hate the Ahriman novels.

01:26:06.220 --> 01:26:11.239
Boo. I've just read Ahriman. Boo. They get progressively

01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:14.119
like it's good and it gets progressively worse

01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:17.119
as it goes on. But it's annoying because they

01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:19.659
have so many cool concepts in it. I just hate

01:26:19.659 --> 01:26:21.659
the way it's written specifically in these books.

01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:28.180
Our story is set. I kind of don't know when it

01:26:28.180 --> 01:26:30.399
is set. The Iron Man novels are really confusing.

01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:34.779
But this is after the horror's heresy. Iron Man

01:26:34.779 --> 01:26:38.340
has been in his long -imposed exile after the

01:26:38.340 --> 01:26:42.239
first casting of the rubric. And he takes on

01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:47.119
the sort of character called Horkos. And he sort

01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:49.800
of lives as like a shadow of himself. His psychic

01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:52.590
abilities have gone to waste. He's locked them

01:26:52.590 --> 01:26:55.289
away in his little mind palace. I'm not joking,

01:26:55.390 --> 01:26:57.090
he has a mind palace, because of course he does.

01:26:58.090 --> 01:27:03.289
Because every memory is accessible to him. Yeah.

01:27:04.130 --> 01:27:08.029
There was some Cthulhu game that had that, it's

01:27:08.029 --> 01:27:12.369
like the plot keep track of device. It was cool

01:27:12.369 --> 01:27:14.810
in a video game as an idea, but I don't know,

01:27:14.869 --> 01:27:17.390
Erebin being able to magically visit all of his

01:27:17.390 --> 01:27:22.319
memories. I can do that too. It's called I Don't

01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:25.539
Have Alzheimer's. It's cool in the book because

01:27:25.539 --> 01:27:28.760
he can access every... He opens a literal door

01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:34.899
and he can recreate it perfectly. How many awkward

01:27:34.899 --> 01:27:37.720
memories does he have to shuffle through to get

01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:41.439
to what he wants? I need to find casting the

01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:43.319
rubric, casting the rubric, that's Magnus in

01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:46.819
the shower, casting the rubric. Magnus is slung

01:27:46.819 --> 01:27:51.659
by accident. Caught in the side eye. To be fair,

01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:54.380
he does have a habit of deleting memories. This

01:27:54.380 --> 01:27:58.819
is a Spongebob episode. Yeah, he does have a

01:27:58.819 --> 01:28:03.180
thing of... He does often revisit the ones with

01:28:03.180 --> 01:28:06.260
his twin brother who ended up dying quite a lot.

01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:09.939
And he speaks to him in the memories, but then

01:28:09.939 --> 01:28:13.659
he's like... It always ends with, I know, man,

01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:16.500
but you're a memory and you're gone. Oh, damn,

01:28:16.619 --> 01:28:21.979
man. This is set after Ariman has kind of brought

01:28:21.979 --> 01:28:27.000
his, you know, he takes over. He kills Amon from

01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:31.220
Horus Heresy, who's like Magnus' foster father

01:28:31.220 --> 01:28:33.319
figure, whatever, became a space marine, just

01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:37.880
killed him. Takes over their group and eventually,

01:28:37.979 --> 01:28:40.319
skipping along a lot of story parts, he will

01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:43.699
cast his second rubric of Ariman. So he's like,

01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:46.500
I understand. I did it wrong the first time.

01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:49.539
I'm not giving up. You know, if I ever thought

01:28:49.539 --> 01:28:51.279
about giving up on something, Ariman never gave

01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:54.100
up. So I'm going to keep doing something. He

01:28:54.100 --> 01:28:59.119
cast his second rubric of Ariman, which many

01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:01.100
parts in the story, like it gets interrupted

01:29:01.100 --> 01:29:04.500
with slash altered by Magnus in some way, or

01:29:04.500 --> 01:29:07.760
like it, you know, it doesn't go well. Ariman

01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:13.800
is completely distraught, except. one thing goes,

01:29:13.899 --> 01:29:18.199
something's changed. They find out that he was

01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:21.159
previously a rubric marine of Helio Isidorus.

01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:24.920
He's been revived. He's no longer a rubric. He

01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:27.479
has no idea where he's been. He doesn't know

01:29:27.479 --> 01:29:29.619
what's happened. He's kind of like a shadow of

01:29:29.619 --> 01:29:32.159
his former self in some way. But Ariman's like,

01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:36.199
hope, hope again. But of course it goes wrong

01:29:36.199 --> 01:29:40.979
because Zeench is fucking with this guy. So Ariman...

01:29:41.369 --> 01:29:44.550
and his cabal, they provided Pelios Isidorus.

01:29:45.449 --> 01:29:47.770
They're like, okay, the second rubric didn't

01:29:47.770 --> 01:29:49.829
go super well. It was obviously interfered with

01:29:49.829 --> 01:29:53.270
in some sense. But it's even worse than that

01:29:53.270 --> 01:29:56.670
because Ironman and his cabal can no longer,

01:29:56.810 --> 01:29:59.449
obviously with thousands of times like cults

01:29:59.449 --> 01:30:01.649
and their magic, they often use visions, foresight.

01:30:01.890 --> 01:30:03.890
There's a lot of themes in Ironman's books where

01:30:03.890 --> 01:30:06.840
he essentially. is like, yes, I planned this

01:30:06.840 --> 01:30:09.000
all along because I could see the future possibilities.

01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:12.439
His famous thing is, I'm willing to do anything

01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:15.340
to kill off other timelines. He's like, if I

01:30:15.340 --> 01:30:18.359
burn a world here, that creates a timeline where

01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:22.020
I get information for a new rubric of Iron Man.

01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:24.819
So that's why he's evil. He's like, I'm willing

01:30:24.819 --> 01:30:28.520
to do anything to, like a Farseer, alter the

01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:33.579
future. And the problem is, is that they can

01:30:33.579 --> 01:30:37.439
no longer see the future. None of them. They

01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:39.899
have no idea why. They can no longer see the

01:30:39.899 --> 01:30:43.079
future. Again, sipping over many details in this

01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:46.500
book, they try again. The cabals all try. Irene

01:30:46.500 --> 01:30:50.520
brings these lieutenants to try. They start getting

01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:53.159
attacked in some sense, something's wrong. They

01:30:53.159 --> 01:30:55.920
start to see a burning vision of the horizon,

01:30:56.260 --> 01:30:58.800
like a horizon, like a flame is coming forth.

01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:01.409
And there's this sort of... what's described

01:31:01.409 --> 01:31:04.890
like an infection starts to take hold in different

01:31:04.890 --> 01:31:08.149
sorcerers. They start to hear the rubric Marines

01:31:08.149 --> 01:31:10.689
around them. They start to like whisper to them

01:31:10.689 --> 01:31:12.770
and they start speaking and they start going,

01:31:12.909 --> 01:31:15.409
brother, help me. I'm on fire. Like they start

01:31:15.409 --> 01:31:17.210
begging for help and it gets like, oh, that's

01:31:17.210 --> 01:31:20.170
getting weird. Some of them start to notice that

01:31:20.170 --> 01:31:22.569
their eyes, obviously what would be like, it's

01:31:22.569 --> 01:31:25.550
just for context of people, the first rubric

01:31:25.550 --> 01:31:28.340
Iron Man turned all the. Thousand Sun's normal

01:31:28.340 --> 01:31:31.560
Space Marines into, essentially, dust in their

01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:37.340
armor, sealed in their armor. Except the armor

01:31:37.340 --> 01:31:41.180
starts to have amber glowing eyes. They start

01:31:41.180 --> 01:31:44.220
to glow amber, which is a bit weird. The Thousand

01:31:44.220 --> 01:31:47.979
Sun fleet are being, like, they keep trying to

01:31:47.979 --> 01:31:50.619
move on and, like, try and find, like, a solution

01:31:50.619 --> 01:31:53.920
for this, seek more law to... undo whatever's

01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:56.079
happening. They keep getting attacked by the

01:31:56.079 --> 01:31:58.420
warp or something in the warp, not demons or

01:31:58.420 --> 01:32:00.479
something even worse. They can't describe what

01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:03.920
it is. Some of the Marines, sorcerers, are just

01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:08.140
turning to dust, like on the floor, dust. Some

01:32:08.140 --> 01:32:10.340
of the Rubric Marines, some of them are becoming

01:32:10.340 --> 01:32:12.939
Rubric Marines. They just turn into what was

01:32:12.939 --> 01:32:15.159
previously the first Rubric of Ironmen, which

01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:18.840
is obviously not good. They make weird deals

01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:21.100
with demons and other things to find out what's

01:32:21.100 --> 01:32:24.680
going on. And they finally, something has given

01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:26.800
birth to the name of whatever's happening. And

01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:30.479
it's called the Pyridomon. And they discover

01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:35.020
that this Pyridomon has, it's not a demon, but

01:32:35.020 --> 01:32:40.060
it has a will. And they don't, again, this is

01:32:40.060 --> 01:32:42.159
completely perplexing because they don't understand.

01:32:42.560 --> 01:32:46.220
Basically the rubric of Ahriman, the ritual has

01:32:46.220 --> 01:32:50.659
created something. And they basically end up

01:32:50.659 --> 01:32:53.399
discovering that it's originating from Helio

01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:55.939
Isidorus, which is the rubric marine guy who

01:32:55.939 --> 01:32:59.779
was brought back to life again. Like what Yvraine

01:32:59.779 --> 01:33:02.699
did, where she undid the curse of the rubric.

01:33:02.779 --> 01:33:06.600
But the rubric of Iron Man, the second one, did

01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:09.340
it wrong, or something was really wrong with

01:33:09.340 --> 01:33:13.800
it. Helios begins to corrupt other marine. They

01:33:13.800 --> 01:33:16.560
start attacking Thousand Suns fleets. They attack

01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:21.680
one. What they do is the Ruben Marines almost

01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:25.800
act more sentient, but the sorcerers are trying

01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:27.600
to run away from them because they're terrified.

01:33:27.859 --> 01:33:30.979
Because in all these, their brother's eyes are

01:33:30.979 --> 01:33:33.760
like this amber glowing fire. And it's this,

01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:36.439
Helios speaks to them being like, you will be

01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:40.630
joined with us. You will become one of us. And

01:33:40.630 --> 01:33:43.710
it declares it will unify them in this perfect

01:33:43.710 --> 01:33:48.890
undeath, unlife -like harmony. And again, it's

01:33:48.890 --> 01:33:53.329
described like an infection. It could be a warp

01:33:53.329 --> 01:33:57.670
entity, possibly, or it's in some way its own

01:33:57.670 --> 01:34:00.890
thing. It is warp -like power, but it is, again,

01:34:00.989 --> 01:34:05.430
no demon. We're not sure. We see weird parts

01:34:05.430 --> 01:34:08.600
in the story where there's a dimension. of the

01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:10.359
rubric so like there's like the soldiers all

01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:14.119
lined up and it's like really strange and if

01:34:14.119 --> 01:34:15.979
you stay in that place that's what like led to

01:34:15.979 --> 01:34:18.880
the infection so possibly the second rubric of

01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:21.720
ironman created a dimension of the power of what

01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:25.960
it was to be a rubric and again like dust like

01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:30.279
statues it leads to the most annoying part of

01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:33.710
what is the fifth book where Ironman is fighting

01:34:33.710 --> 01:34:36.770
against another Necron overlord. They're seeking

01:34:36.770 --> 01:34:40.909
this device where its power is that it doesn't

01:34:40.909 --> 01:34:43.750
send people back in time. You can send your memory

01:34:43.750 --> 01:34:46.229
back in time. So you can send your mind back

01:34:46.229 --> 01:34:49.949
in time in yourself. And both the Necron Lord

01:34:49.949 --> 01:34:52.270
and Ironman are fighting against each other to

01:34:52.270 --> 01:34:55.050
seize it. The Necron Lord does eventually succumb

01:34:55.050 --> 01:34:57.130
to the Flayer virus, like a random side note

01:34:57.130 --> 01:34:59.409
in the book was interesting. And there are demons

01:34:59.409 --> 01:35:02.880
that hunt this thing as well. It gets funky because

01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:06.880
essentially the cabal of Iron Man and all their

01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:09.800
thousand sons, they are dying because they're

01:35:09.800 --> 01:35:15.340
being overtaken by corruption. The amber glowing

01:35:15.340 --> 01:35:19.260
rubrics, they're taking other soldiers and they're

01:35:19.260 --> 01:35:22.279
like, look into my eyes, brother, and we will

01:35:22.279 --> 01:35:24.500
unite you in perfect harmony. And it's really

01:35:24.500 --> 01:35:29.819
creepy. Ironman eventually able to like he retreats

01:35:29.819 --> 01:35:32.500
into his own mind and becomes like his alter

01:35:32.500 --> 01:35:35.359
ego which was Horkos like the weird other thing

01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:39.020
he was before to protect his own mind from the

01:35:39.020 --> 01:35:41.939
invasion and it's again it's really convoluted

01:35:41.939 --> 01:35:44.899
I'm not doing it perfectly but he's able to get

01:35:44.899 --> 01:35:48.380
into this device Ironman and he sends he he debates

01:35:48.380 --> 01:35:50.840
for a second do I send my mind back to the horror's

01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:53.500
heresy which is interesting but he doesn't he

01:35:53.500 --> 01:35:55.619
chooses not to in the end which i really hate

01:35:55.619 --> 01:35:58.539
that john french put in there because like obviously

01:35:58.539 --> 01:36:01.239
he would do that obviously he would do that but

01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:03.840
um because then he'd be like magnus you dick

01:36:03.840 --> 01:36:06.840
you know you know because he hates magnus uh

01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:09.779
which is utterly justified he's able to send

01:36:09.779 --> 01:36:13.399
his mind back to after the second rubric of ironman

01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:17.779
and he utterly obliterates helios's soul because

01:36:17.779 --> 01:36:20.159
helios is whatever happened to helios it was

01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:24.550
the creation I'm of the opinion, I'll share in

01:36:24.550 --> 01:36:27.369
a second, but essentially he obliterates, he

01:36:27.369 --> 01:36:31.550
lost his soul and he makes it so that whatever

01:36:31.550 --> 01:36:35.329
thing created this doesn't spread throughout

01:36:35.329 --> 01:36:37.829
his legion. But this thing has been born, this

01:36:37.829 --> 01:36:41.789
pyrodomon, and it's now going to always exist

01:36:41.789 --> 01:36:44.130
as a warp entity. And obviously it's very much

01:36:44.130 --> 01:36:46.649
a danger for the future of the Thousand Suns.

01:36:47.050 --> 01:36:48.890
I don't know if you guys will be of the opinion,

01:36:48.949 --> 01:36:51.630
like, is this? Is this Zeech, basically? Just

01:36:51.630 --> 01:36:58.529
being like, yeah. He might be. He seems to get

01:36:58.529 --> 01:37:01.250
trolled by Zeech quite a lot. He also doesn't

01:37:01.250 --> 01:37:03.409
seem to need Zeech to step in for him to ruin

01:37:03.409 --> 01:37:10.770
his own life, though. I don't know. I think Zeech

01:37:10.770 --> 01:37:13.329
has been doing a perfectly fine job of just giving

01:37:13.329 --> 01:37:15.449
Eramin a shovel and letting him dig the hole

01:37:15.449 --> 01:37:19.449
all by himself. I think, yeah, because... particularly

01:37:19.449 --> 01:37:22.569
in this he's not he's kind of utterly powerless

01:37:22.569 --> 01:37:25.069
to fight it and he has to rely on this device

01:37:25.069 --> 01:37:28.970
to essentially undo his own work and he kills

01:37:28.970 --> 01:37:31.430
he basically kills the only marine he's ever

01:37:31.430 --> 01:37:33.609
managed to bring back from the rubric environment

01:37:33.609 --> 01:37:36.569
which obviously he's he and then he has to go

01:37:36.569 --> 01:37:38.390
in his own mind palace and he literally like

01:37:38.390 --> 01:37:41.489
burns the memory of helio isadoris so that he

01:37:41.489 --> 01:37:45.430
can never be tempted slash you know ever think

01:37:45.430 --> 01:37:47.810
about you know to doing something similar like

01:37:47.810 --> 01:37:50.350
that again but you know he's gonna try again

01:37:50.350 --> 01:37:52.989
because he's ironman it's quite funny because

01:37:52.989 --> 01:37:54.810
i'm gonna go back in time then in some sense

01:37:54.810 --> 01:37:57.689
which again it like erases the fourth and fifth

01:37:57.689 --> 01:38:01.829
book which i find really annoying but i you know

01:38:01.829 --> 01:38:05.949
but the he's gone back in time and like all the

01:38:05.949 --> 01:38:08.630
other thousands are like oh man he's like failed

01:38:08.630 --> 01:38:10.689
the second rubric and he just and he just waltzes

01:38:10.689 --> 01:38:12.229
out the room being like come on guys let's try

01:38:12.229 --> 01:38:14.899
again and they're like okay you know they're

01:38:14.899 --> 01:38:17.020
like he's gonna be you know like oh he's gonna

01:38:17.020 --> 01:38:19.640
be so upset he's gonna be like this is disastrous

01:38:19.640 --> 01:38:21.920
i failed again and will was gonna give up now

01:38:21.920 --> 01:38:24.479
but he's like come on guys he's like a you know

01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:26.020
my chip on his shoulder he's all good because

01:38:26.020 --> 01:38:28.119
he doesn't understand that he's failing because

01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:30.579
he raised his own memory about his own failure

01:38:30.579 --> 01:38:37.060
so yeah amazingly weird uh but completely like

01:38:37.060 --> 01:38:39.619
where is this like there's like a sub realm of

01:38:39.930 --> 01:38:44.109
what is the rubric of Ironman? There's a hole

01:38:44.109 --> 01:38:47.750
of dust in some sense for the dead and the thing.

01:38:47.869 --> 01:38:49.590
I think there's weird details in that. I might

01:38:49.590 --> 01:38:53.149
be misremembering some things, but it is a really...

01:38:53.149 --> 01:38:54.789
I don't think it's as good as some of the other

01:38:54.789 --> 01:38:56.390
ones on this list, but it's a really interesting

01:38:56.390 --> 01:38:58.670
one that most people probably don't know because

01:38:58.670 --> 01:39:01.550
no one else has tortured themselves to get far

01:39:01.550 --> 01:39:05.069
enough into the Ironman books for this one. I

01:39:05.069 --> 01:39:08.649
feel like we're running out of the Thousand Suns.

01:39:09.410 --> 01:39:13.390
It's probably more like the 376 Sons at this

01:39:13.390 --> 01:39:15.810
point. Well, they do recruit, to be fair. They

01:39:15.810 --> 01:39:17.970
do recruit. Yeah, they do every now and again.

01:39:18.390 --> 01:39:20.909
Like Ariman's books, one of his right -hand men

01:39:20.909 --> 01:39:25.649
is Asterius, I think his name is. He's from a

01:39:25.649 --> 01:39:29.789
Space Marine chapter that was declared heretical

01:39:29.789 --> 01:39:32.529
by the Inquisition, and he ends up joining the

01:39:32.529 --> 01:39:36.479
Thousand Sons warband. And even in Ironman's

01:39:36.479 --> 01:39:39.699
novel, they show you the warband, loads of sorcerers

01:39:39.699 --> 01:39:43.279
or self -seeking or other creatures eventually

01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:46.420
just join the cabal. The Thousand Sons are the

01:39:46.420 --> 01:39:50.979
cool guys. That is absolutely what they tell

01:39:50.979 --> 01:39:54.779
themselves. They're the ones where they're clearly

01:39:54.779 --> 01:39:58.920
more powerful than everyone else. So they hold

01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:03.930
to their own. What is this immense cope? no as

01:40:03.930 --> 01:40:06.409
in like even no literally in the books like other

01:40:06.409 --> 01:40:09.369
because of the first rubric of ironman they're

01:40:09.369 --> 01:40:13.170
all empowered anyway um but and they're clearly

01:40:13.170 --> 01:40:15.850
much more skilled than what is like a 41st millennium

01:40:15.850 --> 01:40:19.289
you know renegade librarian in some sense you

01:40:19.289 --> 01:40:21.289
just mean like specifically in psycher terms

01:40:21.289 --> 01:40:23.729
yeah as in like they don't they don't think they're

01:40:23.729 --> 01:40:26.350
cooler than them as in they literally are like

01:40:26.909 --> 01:40:30.189
They obviously are more powerful than them. And

01:40:30.189 --> 01:40:32.329
so therefore they are used as like underlings.

01:40:32.829 --> 01:40:34.630
There's a few of like the war bands, like some

01:40:34.630 --> 01:40:36.689
of them had like silvery armor and they're like

01:40:36.689 --> 01:40:40.729
a bit more, you know, ravenous and idiotic. And

01:40:40.729 --> 01:40:44.489
the other, one of the, Ignis maybe, one of the

01:40:44.489 --> 01:40:47.229
scenes is like, yeah, you're an idiot or something.

01:40:47.390 --> 01:40:49.050
I can't remember the exact scene. It's been a

01:40:49.050 --> 01:40:51.510
hot minute since I read it, but they are very

01:40:51.510 --> 01:40:54.449
much. Other renegades are perceived on a lower

01:40:54.449 --> 01:40:56.789
tier compared to the other. You know, Ariman

01:40:56.789 --> 01:41:01.109
wants true Thousand Suns on his group. I think

01:41:01.109 --> 01:41:05.890
that, though, is kind of my last... As in, for

01:41:05.890 --> 01:41:07.689
this episode of Mysteries, that's the last kind

01:41:07.689 --> 01:41:10.149
of one of, you know, where are they going with

01:41:10.149 --> 01:41:11.989
that? Will they use it again? How the hell did

01:41:11.989 --> 01:41:15.470
that even come about? I'll ask particularly for

01:41:15.470 --> 01:41:18.609
the boys here. Which ones do you think are...

01:41:19.529 --> 01:41:21.550
i guess more interesting to you or what would

01:41:21.550 --> 01:41:23.529
be more solvable just going through it's like

01:41:23.529 --> 01:41:27.590
enunciate the city of dust uh the artifact which

01:41:27.590 --> 01:41:31.029
was the kappa mu and the world of promedee for

01:41:31.029 --> 01:41:33.770
the eisenhorn one like the oily black city or

01:41:33.770 --> 01:41:35.930
the tyranids or the promedee one i don't know

01:41:35.930 --> 01:41:38.649
if you had any particular thoughts or and in

01:41:38.649 --> 01:41:41.189
the chat as well you had any interesting insights

01:41:41.189 --> 01:41:45.430
to add city of dust and the dark king uh are

01:41:45.430 --> 01:41:48.560
the coolest me thanks uh it seems like those

01:41:48.560 --> 01:41:50.720
are getting the most those have gotten the most

01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:55.220
work put into them yeah particularly again the

01:41:55.220 --> 01:41:58.279
end and the death one is quite nice like what

01:41:58.279 --> 01:42:01.340
is like the end of horror's heresy law is then

01:42:01.340 --> 01:42:04.659
very much intrinsically tied into what is like

01:42:04.659 --> 01:42:08.439
the again a big ongoing 40k plot line and it's

01:42:08.439 --> 01:42:10.140
not just like okay and then that happened then

01:42:10.140 --> 01:42:14.159
we forget about it you know i think um i do like

01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:16.550
the idea that dark i think the dark king thing

01:42:16.550 --> 01:42:18.170
should be left alone for a while because that

01:42:18.170 --> 01:42:20.890
is like quite cool horrors heresy teacher terror

01:42:20.890 --> 01:42:24.930
stuff but city of dust though i do love me some

01:42:24.930 --> 01:42:28.489
hasta anything like that but again my channel

01:42:28.489 --> 01:42:31.550
name you know the amber king obviously is a literal

01:42:31.550 --> 01:42:34.470
offshoot from that story uh well there's many

01:42:34.470 --> 01:42:36.750
different short stories of the king in yellow

01:42:36.750 --> 01:42:39.609
but uh i don't know where we'll go with that

01:42:39.609 --> 01:42:42.729
do you think this is the big question though

01:42:42.729 --> 01:42:46.159
do you think some mysteries in 40k should never

01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:50.399
be solved. Oh yeah, definitely. Absolutely. Do

01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:52.760
you think they would ever... Would you prefer

01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:55.220
they never give any more lore about the missing

01:42:55.220 --> 01:42:58.680
Primarchs? I mean, I could care less about them,

01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:01.159
to be honest. I think they should never touch

01:43:01.159 --> 01:43:04.380
the lost Primarchs. They're there so that you

01:43:04.380 --> 01:43:06.840
can make your own fan chat. That was their point.

01:43:06.920 --> 01:43:11.439
They were inspired by Roman legions. So you've

01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:12.960
got, you know, they're the Teteberg destroyed

01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:17.079
legions. GW didn't consider, like, and I don't

01:43:17.079 --> 01:43:19.039
blame them for it because this was early 40K.

01:43:19.060 --> 01:43:22.600
They didn't consider the implications of destroying

01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:26.140
two of the OGs and saying they were worse than

01:43:26.140 --> 01:43:28.659
the heresy. Like, they just didn't consider how

01:43:28.659 --> 01:43:31.859
influent, like, what that would mean. And so

01:43:31.859 --> 01:43:34.359
now anyone who tries to make their own homebrew

01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:37.119
like Primark and Lost Legion is... obviously

01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:39.319
going to be laughed out of the game store, but

01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:41.680
that was their point. It's to leave stuff open

01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:44.960
for homebrew. Answering that mystery not only

01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:47.899
ruins the fun of talking about the mystery, but

01:43:47.899 --> 01:43:50.619
it would be yet another kick in the face to people

01:43:50.619 --> 01:43:53.479
who like to make their own stories up and stuff

01:43:53.479 --> 01:43:56.699
for fun like that. GW, I think, has delivered

01:43:56.699 --> 01:44:00.039
plenty of those enough already with the 70 trillion

01:44:00.039 --> 01:44:03.359
heresy books. The frickin' Farsight mystery should

01:44:03.359 --> 01:44:05.020
have never been touched. It should have been

01:44:05.020 --> 01:44:08.539
left out forever. and phil kelly completely butchered

01:44:08.539 --> 01:44:12.460
it the whole they like whole thing where is why

01:44:12.460 --> 01:44:14.920
did farsight really leave the town we we don't

01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:17.399
know but actually it's just chaos is real and

01:44:17.399 --> 01:44:19.220
the ethereals didn't tell us about it so i'm

01:44:19.220 --> 01:44:23.539
gonna make my own faction now stupid it's i mean

01:44:23.539 --> 01:44:27.520
it's i the whole something that i always thought

01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:31.619
Going in was quite nice and fun. 40 K was everything

01:44:31.619 --> 01:44:34.420
like from the past was myth and legend. And we

01:44:34.420 --> 01:44:37.420
have the barest of ideas. And the more they keep

01:44:37.420 --> 01:44:40.340
explaining these mysteries and ideas, 40 K keeps

01:44:40.340 --> 01:44:44.460
losing so much mystique. There's not, there's

01:44:44.460 --> 01:44:46.760
not, there's not so much knowledge that was forgotten

01:44:46.760 --> 01:44:49.560
in the last 10 ,000 years. It turns out we actually,

01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:51.399
we actually have new stuff all the time. It turns

01:44:51.399 --> 01:44:54.760
out it's, it's, and I, I would just please stop

01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:57.140
explaining things, please. I like the mystery.

01:44:58.210 --> 01:45:00.170
Do you have any particular mysteries you can

01:45:00.170 --> 01:45:04.810
think of that are for you to more, you know,

01:45:04.810 --> 01:45:08.050
please don't touch that one with a 10 foot barge

01:45:08.050 --> 01:45:12.970
pole or something. Lost Primarchs. I guess it

01:45:12.970 --> 01:45:15.850
was the Terminus Decree, but I'm really not that

01:45:15.850 --> 01:45:17.569
passionate about that one. So that's made me

01:45:17.569 --> 01:45:22.470
go, eh. Not to get into a topic of it, but creation

01:45:22.470 --> 01:45:26.029
of custodies. Please leave that always to be

01:45:26.029 --> 01:45:27.590
a mystery. I don't know how you can explain that.

01:45:28.489 --> 01:45:30.130
Not to go to that topic any further, because

01:45:30.130 --> 01:45:32.810
that's a bloody minefield. I only thought they

01:45:32.810 --> 01:45:35.409
would just... I mean, I guess the specifics of

01:45:35.409 --> 01:45:38.130
it, yeah. Not like how a space marine is made.

01:45:38.989 --> 01:45:42.210
It's not nearly that detailed. I can think of

01:45:42.210 --> 01:45:44.949
other ones, which is... Put magical emperor juice

01:45:44.949 --> 01:45:50.000
in you. Yeah, he's calm, literally like us. More

01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:52.060
times merch. More times merch, guys. Detail that

01:45:52.060 --> 01:45:55.939
out. Again, I saved it for another episode if

01:45:55.939 --> 01:45:57.420
we have to do another episode of Mysteries, which

01:45:57.420 --> 01:46:01.960
is the Rangdan Xenocides. That would be one.

01:46:02.159 --> 01:46:05.699
I don't know. I don't know if I would mind. I

01:46:05.699 --> 01:46:10.470
made her back and forth. It's cool. I only want

01:46:10.470 --> 01:46:12.850
an unknown because some of those little tidbits

01:46:12.850 --> 01:46:14.609
that I'm fine with them dropping about the Lost

01:46:14.609 --> 01:46:17.029
Primarchs involve that. So if you explain the

01:46:17.029 --> 01:46:18.869
Rangden, well, you're going to explain those

01:46:18.869 --> 01:46:21.270
kind of inherently, and I really don't want them

01:46:21.270 --> 01:46:24.109
to do that. But at the same time, the Rangden

01:46:24.109 --> 01:46:27.250
were also like the Great Crusades version of

01:46:27.250 --> 01:46:30.449
the Punic Wars. And God, that sounds really interesting

01:46:30.449 --> 01:46:32.989
to learn about. Like, this was the Carthage to

01:46:32.989 --> 01:46:36.229
the Imperium. Because there's a decent amount

01:46:36.229 --> 01:46:37.829
of connections where you can make that comparison.

01:46:38.539 --> 01:46:40.840
So I'm really interested in that, but then the

01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:42.479
Lost Primarchs are there, and I'm like, I don't

01:46:42.479 --> 01:46:44.359
want to learn about you. I want to know nothing

01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:47.239
about you beyond, like, Fulgrim every now and

01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:49.140
again saying the second was a boring asshole.

01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:52.779
Stop it at that. There's also, like, the Flare

01:46:52.779 --> 01:46:56.359
Virus and the Destroyer Virus. I don't really

01:46:56.359 --> 01:46:58.399
know how I felt about them making, like, the

01:46:58.399 --> 01:47:00.399
Ghost Wind and stuff in Twice Dead King. I don't

01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:02.819
know if that was really what we needed, but it

01:47:02.819 --> 01:47:06.039
was something, I guess. Are there any big, like,

01:47:06.079 --> 01:47:09.359
Eldar mysteries, Eli? I mean, Illich Nightspear

01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:12.260
knows, like, the knowledge of the universe and

01:47:12.260 --> 01:47:15.399
read some wacky book and knows something that

01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:17.699
none of us do and his entire life is dependent

01:47:17.699 --> 01:47:21.380
on the survival of the Eldar species. Yeah. Oh,

01:47:21.539 --> 01:47:24.300
don't tell me what's in Kegorak's book. I don't

01:47:24.300 --> 01:47:26.479
want to know. How to get into the Black Library.

01:47:27.260 --> 01:47:30.819
Oh, well, I mean... Well, no, where the Black

01:47:30.819 --> 01:47:33.920
Library is. Follow Eramin and do the opposite

01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:37.329
of what he does. The Tau and the Ethereals are

01:47:37.329 --> 01:47:40.770
also a mystery, like the rapid evolution or advancement,

01:47:41.029 --> 01:47:43.569
whatever, of the Tau. And the whole Ethereals

01:47:43.569 --> 01:47:45.250
arriving, are they actually part of the original

01:47:45.250 --> 01:47:47.649
Tau species, or are they aliens, or did they

01:47:47.649 --> 01:47:50.210
make the Tau? Because all you saw was flashing

01:47:50.210 --> 01:47:52.329
lights, and then the Ethereals unified the Tau

01:47:52.329 --> 01:47:54.390
in one night. That's what the Farsight mystery

01:47:54.390 --> 01:47:57.710
was supposed to be about. Some people were saying

01:47:57.710 --> 01:47:59.989
wacky things like, the Eldar made the Tau, and

01:47:59.989 --> 01:48:01.770
whatever, whatever. I'd rather we have wacky

01:48:01.770 --> 01:48:04.590
fan theories than a freaking Phil Kelly Farsight

01:48:04.590 --> 01:48:07.600
book. Do you have a theory about the Tau Ethereals,

01:48:07.600 --> 01:48:10.640
Eli? I don't know. I haven't really thought about

01:48:10.640 --> 01:48:13.600
it that much. I think they're cool, and they

01:48:13.600 --> 01:48:16.020
deserve their place of authority, and I like

01:48:16.020 --> 01:48:20.739
them. Stop thinking. I think the bite control

01:48:20.739 --> 01:48:23.520
thing is funny, but I think the only proper source

01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:26.760
for that was a single xenobiologist book, and

01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:30.619
even in that book, that's just their best guess

01:48:30.619 --> 01:48:33.479
for why the Tau listened to the Ethereals. because

01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:36.500
they cannot understand the idea of someone following

01:48:36.500 --> 01:48:42.199
an authority figure willingly the far side books

01:48:42.199 --> 01:48:45.000
don't even explain it they just say oh alva has

01:48:45.000 --> 01:48:47.819
mind control and he makes you kill yourself so

01:48:47.819 --> 01:48:50.159
so stupid you know that's kind of funny does

01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:57.539
the lightning come with it i think one is i think

01:48:57.539 --> 01:49:00.739
of is i still blackstone fortresses because there's

01:49:00.739 --> 01:49:04.439
some hints isn't there colin To Blackstone Fortresses.

01:49:04.800 --> 01:49:08.479
Yeah, I don't know. Those aren't, like... They're

01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:11.399
not Eldar, though. But they think they are, sometimes.

01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:14.439
I mean, those aren't a big enough thing. I mean,

01:49:14.460 --> 01:49:16.560
I guess saying that they did blow up Cadia, but

01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:19.260
I don't know. Blackstone Fortresses, like, it's

01:49:19.260 --> 01:49:22.819
just a fancy piece of tech. Like, I wouldn't

01:49:22.819 --> 01:49:25.279
mind if that's revealed, because it's not...

01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:27.720
Because even if they do reveal exactly where

01:49:27.720 --> 01:49:29.180
it came from, no one's going to be able to make

01:49:29.180 --> 01:49:31.640
it anymore. Be it an old one's weapon, well,

01:49:31.659 --> 01:49:34.430
they're gone. or an ancient Eldar weapon, well,

01:49:34.470 --> 01:49:37.569
they don't use their super weapons anymore. And

01:49:37.569 --> 01:49:39.970
they can't make most of them anyways, so it doesn't

01:49:39.970 --> 01:49:43.369
really... If that was revealed, I'd be like,

01:49:43.449 --> 01:49:46.970
eh. Supposedly Blackstone Fortresses, because

01:49:46.970 --> 01:49:49.609
obviously they're considered great looting grounds,

01:49:49.770 --> 01:49:53.630
there are Xenos species that are long dead in

01:49:53.630 --> 01:49:56.550
the universe, but they still have roaming bands

01:49:56.550 --> 01:49:57.529
inside of Blackstone Fortresses. Yeah, they're

01:49:57.529 --> 01:50:00.939
just hanging out in there. Which is weird. I

01:50:00.939 --> 01:50:02.960
mean, that'd be cool. More stuff like that I

01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:04.699
would honestly like to see explored. I would

01:50:04.699 --> 01:50:08.899
like more minor Xenos. Dutch says, also just

01:50:08.899 --> 01:50:11.180
simply, where did the Emperor come from or his

01:50:11.180 --> 01:50:15.340
actual origin? I hope GW never answer that. Be

01:50:15.340 --> 01:50:20.020
it the Shaman thing or whatever. They've already

01:50:20.020 --> 01:50:23.119
revealed too much Emperor lore for my liking,

01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:26.789
personally. and then they would go back on it

01:50:26.789 --> 01:50:28.789
and then they would un -go back on it and they

01:50:28.789 --> 01:50:31.989
would un -un -go back on it and Jesus Christ,

01:50:32.090 --> 01:50:36.329
50 different people wrote this series. When all

01:50:36.329 --> 01:50:38.689
the Emperor lore was convoluted and a bunch of

01:50:38.689 --> 01:50:40.350
people said random things that didn't connect

01:50:40.350 --> 01:50:42.329
and so there was no real answer and it was just

01:50:42.329 --> 01:50:44.829
people saying stuff. There's too much backstory

01:50:44.829 --> 01:50:47.909
for them now. Go back to OG first edition Rogue

01:50:47.909 --> 01:50:49.989
Trader lore. Where'd the Emperor come from? Who

01:50:49.989 --> 01:50:52.710
knows? Do we remember what he did? Only he does

01:50:52.710 --> 01:50:56.600
and that's amazing. yeah this is gonna get into

01:50:56.600 --> 01:50:58.720
that weird place like there used to be it said

01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:03.000
back in the day like again like early whatever

01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:06.119
like 2000s people were quite upset that they

01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:08.619
were actually going to explore the horror's heresy

01:51:08.619 --> 01:51:13.500
yeah maybe a controversial opinion I don't think

01:51:13.500 --> 01:51:15.600
it'd be that big of a deal if the horse heresy

01:51:15.600 --> 01:51:19.760
was never explored. I don't blame them for that

01:51:19.760 --> 01:51:22.600
opinion because it was the time of legend. And

01:51:22.600 --> 01:51:24.840
when you explain the legend, you can only go

01:51:24.840 --> 01:51:27.680
down. You may not go down a lot. There is good

01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:31.880
heresy stuff, but you can only go down. It's

01:51:31.880 --> 01:51:33.399
the same reason like the moment you show the

01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:36.100
monster in a horror movie, it's infinitely less

01:51:36.100 --> 01:51:37.979
scary because anything you come up with in your

01:51:37.979 --> 01:51:40.899
mind. is going to be infinitely better than what's

01:51:40.899 --> 01:51:45.060
delivered 99 out of 100 times. But I wonder then

01:51:45.060 --> 01:51:47.060
if it's like, oh, getting Dutch as I remember

01:51:47.060 --> 01:51:49.100
when Leman Russ was a girl. No, dude, Leman Russ,

01:51:49.220 --> 01:51:52.939
I was looking at it. I was reading for a video,

01:51:53.079 --> 01:51:55.560
OG Rogue Trader. You can find it as a free PDF

01:51:55.560 --> 01:52:00.319
online. Leman Russ was just a Space Marine commander.

01:52:00.699 --> 01:52:04.260
Not a chapter master, a commander who was instrumental

01:52:04.260 --> 01:52:09.899
in founding the Space Wolves. God, that's some

01:52:09.899 --> 01:52:12.840
bold stuff. I think, I don't know, because it's

01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:16.140
one of those things where there's no horror -terrorism

01:52:16.140 --> 01:52:19.039
law. I don't know. I always thought it would

01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:21.779
end up basically, oh, here's another Space Marine

01:52:21.779 --> 01:52:24.380
book set in the 41st millennium, and that's it,

01:52:24.399 --> 01:52:26.920
guys. Okay, here's another Space Marine book

01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:31.680
set in the 30th millennium. As in, I don't know,

01:52:31.739 --> 01:52:36.770
it's a new... It's a new dimension to it. Warhammer's

01:52:36.770 --> 01:52:39.090
changed so much because the old point was it's

01:52:39.090 --> 01:52:40.949
a playground for all the stories and everything.

01:52:41.229 --> 01:52:44.250
Don't move past. The clock was always a minute

01:52:44.250 --> 01:52:48.170
to midnight. Don't move past it. It's weird,

01:52:48.350 --> 01:52:50.970
man. It's a different vibe. I understand why

01:52:50.970 --> 01:52:52.930
people like it, and it is cool to see a moving

01:52:52.930 --> 01:52:55.729
storyline. But the point of it was you had 10

01:52:55.729 --> 01:52:59.170
,000 years of history to make up your own stories

01:52:59.170 --> 01:53:01.550
with and have fun with your friends. And authors

01:53:01.550 --> 01:53:03.710
also... I know most of the books were in the

01:53:03.710 --> 01:53:07.189
41st millennium, but authors could go back in

01:53:07.189 --> 01:53:11.310
time to whenever. They just didn't. Where would

01:53:11.310 --> 01:53:15.449
you like to see more? You want war in heaven,

01:53:15.569 --> 01:53:18.449
don't you? Even other than war in heaven, I don't

01:53:18.449 --> 01:53:20.289
want nearly as much war in heaven as we have

01:53:20.289 --> 01:53:22.529
Horus Heresy. Do not explain it nearly as much.

01:53:22.789 --> 01:53:30.000
One or two books would be cool. That's it. but

01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:32.119
i would there's even so much just the imperium

01:53:32.119 --> 01:53:34.720
era there's some called the war of the lost primark

01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:37.899
what do we know about it nothing was an actual

01:53:37.899 --> 01:53:40.500
primark involved or false primark was the real

01:53:40.500 --> 01:53:42.920
one no probably not from the name but then there's

01:53:42.920 --> 01:53:45.859
knowing about it ruining the mystery of it yeah

01:53:45.859 --> 01:53:47.840
but we don't need to explain the whole thing

01:53:47.840 --> 01:53:52.060
just give us more detail than it existed It's

01:53:52.060 --> 01:53:55.319
like there are 10 ,000 years, almost as long

01:53:55.319 --> 01:53:58.979
as we've been farming in real life worth of things

01:53:58.979 --> 01:54:02.520
to explore and talk about, not explain, just

01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:05.039
look at it a bit. There's something called the

01:54:05.039 --> 01:54:07.199
nightmare engines of the pale wasting. That sounds

01:54:07.199 --> 01:54:09.520
like the coolest shit ever. What do we have about

01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:11.840
it? It's some Marine chapters beat it. Thanks.

01:54:12.140 --> 01:54:16.319
Thanks. That's it. That's all we get. Yeah. And

01:54:16.319 --> 01:54:19.100
I mean like, even like even stuff like the, uh,

01:54:19.470 --> 01:54:21.550
like gode van dyre and the creation of the sisters

01:54:21.550 --> 01:54:24.050
and stuff that's just codex lore isn't it they

01:54:24.050 --> 01:54:26.409
don't actually have any books there's no novels

01:54:26.409 --> 01:54:29.109
of that specific time period it's just random

01:54:29.109 --> 01:54:31.329
little blurbs i'm pretty sure which is really

01:54:31.329 --> 01:54:33.289
weird you would think that there'd be novels

01:54:33.289 --> 01:54:37.529
about stuff like that with a weird sense would

01:54:37.529 --> 01:54:41.369
it be really weird if i was like like if i had

01:54:41.369 --> 01:54:44.390
to get rid of one i don't know if i what would

01:54:44.390 --> 01:54:45.930
i would i don't honestly don't know if i would

01:54:45.930 --> 01:54:49.979
choose between the heresy or 40k was like i really

01:54:49.979 --> 01:54:53.539
put down to it because i'm like if i was someone

01:54:53.539 --> 01:54:56.659
who was like i didn't know anything about warhammer

01:54:56.659 --> 01:54:59.960
okay say i don't know anything about warhammer

01:54:59.960 --> 01:55:03.979
and i wanted to read a novel series there's one

01:55:03.979 --> 01:55:08.180
that's much more cohesive in a sense and i know

01:55:08.180 --> 01:55:10.539
what i'm getting and i would like it that's because

01:55:10.539 --> 01:55:14.380
the 40k has a series maybe like the 40k novels

01:55:14.380 --> 01:55:18.850
is the weird part like that's like the whole

01:55:18.850 --> 01:55:21.609
point is like that's the that's the heresy is

01:55:21.609 --> 01:55:25.510
the is the context to the flavor that is 40k

01:55:25.510 --> 01:55:27.069
i honestly don't know if i could choose between

01:55:27.069 --> 01:55:29.029
the two if i had to shoot i don't know if it's

01:55:29.029 --> 01:55:36.090
easy i didn't want all this context bro loves

01:55:36.090 --> 01:55:40.770
space marines bro loves space marines it's warhammer

01:55:40.770 --> 01:55:47.970
what do you think it really is like saying you

01:55:47.970 --> 01:55:51.109
like star wars but you hate sith and jedi it

01:55:51.109 --> 01:55:54.529
would be like saying that which is fair which

01:55:54.529 --> 01:55:58.310
is fair it's not like saying that i can prove

01:55:58.310 --> 01:56:00.829
it's not like saying that because i've read rogue

01:56:00.829 --> 01:56:03.670
trainer like taking one part of star wars where

01:56:03.670 --> 01:56:05.970
it's just jedi and sith fighting and saying i'd

01:56:05.970 --> 01:56:09.320
rather have that than the rest of star wars That's

01:56:09.320 --> 01:56:11.340
closer to saying, like, you don't like the Old

01:56:11.340 --> 01:56:14.680
Republic, so you hate Luke Skywalker. Because

01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:16.579
there's too many Jedi and Sith, so therefore

01:56:16.579 --> 01:56:19.399
you hate... I don't hate Space Marines! I hate

01:56:19.399 --> 01:56:27.510
when they get 80 bucks! Andy Wood, please. Andy,

01:56:27.529 --> 01:56:30.250
I need two. Let's all get a minute of silence.

01:56:30.489 --> 01:56:33.689
Because I know I'm not in the minority. Everyone

01:56:33.689 --> 01:56:36.109
likes Space Marine. You are absolutely in the

01:56:36.109 --> 01:56:40.029
minority! No way! The majority of people would

01:56:40.029 --> 01:56:43.010
get rid of 40k for just 30k. There's no way!

01:56:43.270 --> 01:56:44.970
No, I don't know. I don't think I could choose

01:56:44.970 --> 01:56:46.970
between the two. They're even for me. I like

01:56:46.970 --> 01:56:49.590
both equally. I think you're an outlier. I think

01:56:49.590 --> 01:56:52.550
that's a very rare opinion. I think it's a rare

01:56:52.550 --> 01:56:55.579
opinion and I think that's a problem. I'm allowed

01:56:55.579 --> 01:56:59.619
to. I like Space Marines. Andy, would you get

01:56:59.619 --> 01:57:02.699
rid of 40k so that you could have only 30k if

01:57:02.699 --> 01:57:05.199
you had to choose one? It's really tough though.

01:57:05.460 --> 01:57:08.560
Give him a minute. We gotta give him a minute.

01:57:08.979 --> 01:57:13.399
I don't know how this is hard. I would not pick

01:57:13.399 --> 01:57:17.239
one or the other. We need both. It's a safe answer,

01:57:17.340 --> 01:57:20.140
but that's fine. It would honestly be wrong,

01:57:20.279 --> 01:57:25.210
but it's fine. It's difficult because, again,

01:57:25.350 --> 01:57:28.989
we're speaking to two guys here who are in the

01:57:28.989 --> 01:57:30.890
minority in the sense that they'd like Xenos

01:57:30.890 --> 01:57:33.489
lore more than the Space Marines. But we have

01:57:33.489 --> 01:57:36.630
Space Marines in 40k too. You can easily have

01:57:36.630 --> 01:57:39.770
them. I know, but as in, I'm saying I'm obviously

01:57:39.770 --> 01:57:43.090
a heresy enjoyer. 40k was made to make 40k better.

01:57:43.369 --> 01:57:45.750
40k was not made to make 30k better. Hey man,

01:57:45.890 --> 01:57:48.430
listen, as someone who's particularly like, we're

01:57:48.430 --> 01:57:49.489
speaking about something, this is like speaking

01:57:49.489 --> 01:57:52.680
about a cinema. It's like speaking about Lord

01:57:52.680 --> 01:57:54.840
of the Rings, Colin has not seen the movies.

01:57:55.500 --> 01:57:58.380
I have! I've only not seen the last one now.

01:57:59.159 --> 01:58:00.699
Oh, you've been reading? Okay. That's crazy.

01:58:01.180 --> 01:58:04.479
I've read The Horror's Heresy, so therefore I'm

01:58:04.479 --> 01:58:05.979
speaking in the sense of, as someone who's read

01:58:05.979 --> 01:58:12.319
it, I clearly like it. I clearly like a 50 book

01:58:12.319 --> 01:58:15.239
series that I've read. I like the 40K novels,

01:58:15.479 --> 01:58:17.859
but again, I'm talking about as a collection

01:58:17.859 --> 01:58:21.500
of a whole, I'm much more in the sense of a...

01:58:21.819 --> 01:58:24.319
cohes like there's people who play tabletop some

01:58:24.319 --> 01:58:27.159
people clearly like horror's heresy playing tabletop

01:58:27.159 --> 01:58:29.880
more than they like 40k playing tether it says

01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:35.159
i like horror's heresy law ever so slightly more

01:58:35.159 --> 01:58:38.520
because first of all i do like xenos stuff but

01:58:38.520 --> 01:58:41.699
it's obviously i like space again i just like

01:58:41.699 --> 01:58:43.600
the hair is horror's heresy at all because it's

01:58:43.600 --> 01:58:46.600
so much more of a cohesive story that i've enjoyed

01:58:46.600 --> 01:58:49.840
throughout an entire series like particularly

01:58:49.840 --> 01:58:53.000
for me I've gotten to the end and the death.

01:58:54.020 --> 01:58:57.100
And like, you can imagine the payoff for me.

01:58:59.720 --> 01:59:03.899
Thanks. No, but you guys, you guys, you guys

01:59:03.899 --> 01:59:05.659
can see it in the sense of like, for me, like

01:59:05.659 --> 01:59:08.020
that's like a 60, whatever book series. That's

01:59:08.020 --> 01:59:11.260
like, for me from Horus rising to the end and

01:59:11.260 --> 01:59:13.880
the death volume three, like that's an incredible

01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:17.359
thing. I went through 40 K is almost, it's very

01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:20.250
much like a, I like bits of it. and there's lots

01:59:20.250 --> 01:59:22.489
of bit which is like no offense there's a few

01:59:22.489 --> 01:59:24.810
is in there in fact there's quite a few is in

01:59:24.810 --> 01:59:26.710
there the few is in the horus heresy as well

01:59:26.710 --> 01:59:28.729
i'm not gonna lie 40k is a setting and horus

01:59:28.729 --> 01:59:32.069
heresy is one story yeah which is why i like

01:59:32.069 --> 01:59:34.630
40k more i like it more when it's a setting and

01:59:34.630 --> 01:59:36.550
there's so much you know more out there and you

01:59:36.550 --> 01:59:39.250
get little glimpses of it yeah again i obviously

01:59:39.250 --> 01:59:42.289
very much love i literally work around them yeah

01:59:43.619 --> 01:59:48.300
Again, I just... I do like both. Either way,

01:59:48.399 --> 01:59:50.300
I've just accepted I'm permanently in the minority

01:59:50.300 --> 01:59:54.640
of Warhammer in everything. Maybe, again, to

01:59:54.640 --> 01:59:57.260
be fair, the most played factions recently are

01:59:57.260 --> 02:00:00.300
World Eaters and other things. And then Space

02:00:00.300 --> 02:00:02.159
Marines was, for the first few times, not the

02:00:02.159 --> 02:00:05.859
most played faction. Isn't it? The most played

02:00:05.859 --> 02:00:11.319
faction is World Eaters. I know what you mean.

02:00:11.659 --> 02:00:15.060
Codex, like normal Imperial loyalist space fans.

02:00:15.060 --> 02:00:19.920
I know what you mean, but no one's playing World

02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:24.340
Eaters for the demon allies. But again, I'm not

02:00:24.340 --> 02:00:28.500
going to, you can't knock, again, how many Horus

02:00:28.500 --> 02:00:30.960
Heresy books have you guys read? A grand total

02:00:30.960 --> 02:00:33.579
of one in full. Like 20 and it feels like I've

02:00:33.579 --> 02:00:36.920
barely read any. Yeah, as in, again, it's the

02:00:36.920 --> 02:00:39.789
same as like, if you had if you read you know

02:00:39.789 --> 02:00:41.310
one day if you end up reading the collective

02:00:41.310 --> 02:00:44.029
of it you will look perhaps like me you'll look

02:00:44.029 --> 02:00:46.810
back at the whole thing of it and be like that

02:00:46.810 --> 02:00:50.590
i i enjoy that package that's the case with any

02:00:50.590 --> 02:00:52.949
good story though like it's not just i'm never

02:00:52.949 --> 02:00:57.510
saying like i all jokes aside i don't think it's

02:00:57.510 --> 02:01:01.029
like an inherently like it sucks as a series

02:01:01.029 --> 02:01:04.970
i don't think like it's like it's poorly written

02:01:05.520 --> 02:01:07.840
Like overall, obviously, like you said, there's

02:01:07.840 --> 02:01:09.520
some stinkers like the, what is it? Battle of

02:01:09.520 --> 02:01:11.159
the Abyss. I don't think I've heard a single

02:01:11.159 --> 02:01:13.640
human being say nice words about that book other

02:01:13.640 --> 02:01:15.840
than the funny world eater that lives in the

02:01:15.840 --> 02:01:18.619
walls. I think other than that guy, no one has

02:01:18.619 --> 02:01:20.899
said anything nice about that book. Anything

02:01:20.899 --> 02:01:22.939
Nick Kime has touched. Yeah. But he's touched

02:01:22.939 --> 02:01:26.079
a lot of 40K books as well. It's just like, I

02:01:26.079 --> 02:01:29.920
like just conceptually, I don't like what the

02:01:29.920 --> 02:01:32.779
heresy is about on multiple different levels.

02:01:33.180 --> 02:01:36.729
It would be like, it's like, If someone doesn't

02:01:36.729 --> 02:01:39.029
like fish, it doesn't matter if they go, they

02:01:39.029 --> 02:01:41.989
get the finest of lobster and salmon meals. They

02:01:41.989 --> 02:01:45.270
don't like fish. Yeah, I mean, that makes, again,

02:01:45.369 --> 02:01:47.590
we're not like trying to divide up people, but

02:01:47.590 --> 02:01:50.029
as in, if I had to have a gun to my head and

02:01:50.029 --> 02:01:52.189
choose, if I had to have a gun to my head and

02:01:52.189 --> 02:01:55.670
choose though, it would only eke out, like 30k

02:01:55.670 --> 02:01:59.930
would eke out just before because I've genuinely

02:01:59.930 --> 02:02:03.520
invested more and I've read. obviously a lot

02:02:03.520 --> 02:02:05.960
of the warmer books but i've read the heresy

02:02:05.960 --> 02:02:08.800
as a collective and that as a collective if i

02:02:08.800 --> 02:02:12.420
put and against the collective of 40k i'm like

02:02:12.420 --> 02:02:16.420
oh you know just a tiniest smidge on that again

02:02:16.420 --> 02:02:18.600
i again thing is with 40k i just pick and choose

02:02:18.600 --> 02:02:21.159
elements i like whereas the heresy i enjoy as

02:02:21.159 --> 02:02:23.779
the whole in some sense despite the stinkers

02:02:23.779 --> 02:02:27.250
you know There are many people in chat that I

02:02:27.250 --> 02:02:31.750
can't tell whose side they're on. That one, I

02:02:31.750 --> 02:02:35.449
know who that one is pointed at. And yeah, unfortunately,

02:02:35.649 --> 02:02:41.289
that's just everyone in Warhammer. We are grown

02:02:41.289 --> 02:02:44.670
men talking about plastic toys. I don't know

02:02:44.670 --> 02:02:48.350
where that's going. Andy, I think we might need

02:02:48.350 --> 02:02:51.710
the last of the donations. There's someone, where's

02:02:51.710 --> 02:02:58.840
the other one? Someone just said this is worse

02:02:58.840 --> 02:03:00.739
than 1P shills. I don't know who you're talking

02:03:00.739 --> 02:03:05.960
about, sir. I assume Hal. We haven't done the

02:03:05.960 --> 02:03:13.100
question of the week. So what I have an idea

02:03:13.100 --> 02:03:16.819
for is if I read out the donos, then I pass it

02:03:16.819 --> 02:03:19.420
on to you guys. And we'll give you the question

02:03:19.420 --> 02:03:22.729
of the week. Can you give me a thumbs up if you

02:03:22.729 --> 02:03:24.649
think that sounds like a good idea so I can see?

02:03:24.890 --> 02:03:28.270
Cool. So I'll go through the donos quickly, and

02:03:28.270 --> 02:03:30.630
then someone can take over from me with the question

02:03:30.630 --> 02:03:32.350
of the week. I don't know if someone's checked

02:03:32.350 --> 02:03:34.510
the last question of the week, but then I think

02:03:34.510 --> 02:03:37.510
that way. That might be a good way of doing this,

02:03:37.649 --> 02:03:40.810
because right now I am on delay. And also, I've

02:03:40.810 --> 02:03:43.090
been told by a source who the lost Primarchs

02:03:43.090 --> 02:03:45.710
are, according to an insider. So now I know.

02:03:45.970 --> 02:03:50.289
Well, if that's true, then I wish that insider

02:03:50.289 --> 02:03:55.880
bricks to brain. First donation. First donation.

02:03:56.619 --> 02:04:00.800
We have Persuasive Wink for 10. Colin, don't

02:04:00.800 --> 02:04:03.560
let Hal tell you not to run Avatar of Kain. An

02:04:03.560 --> 02:04:07.020
AOS list of 14 Avatars of Kain went 4 -1 in a

02:04:07.020 --> 02:04:11.560
GT. Wow. Disgusting. 10 million more murder games.

02:04:13.300 --> 02:04:16.039
What's the over -under on Fulgrim Snorting a

02:04:16.039 --> 02:04:19.020
Rubric? 100 % he did that. Surely at least once.

02:04:20.899 --> 02:04:25.359
surely at least once out of curiosity uh xenon

02:04:25.359 --> 02:04:28.880
hello i'd love to see more shiz set in the ghoul

02:04:28.880 --> 02:04:33.220
stars i was thinking about that too good and

02:04:33.220 --> 02:04:37.300
the freaking bone kingdom glad to see colin made

02:04:37.300 --> 02:04:42.100
his bed i'm on an air i don't care i also i like

02:04:42.100 --> 02:04:44.359
how i'm also like lip reading to see if like

02:04:44.359 --> 02:04:51.960
can i shoot Oh, dear. 8J for 5. What the Emperor

02:04:51.960 --> 02:04:53.800
was doing during the Dark Age of Trek and why?

02:04:53.939 --> 02:04:58.380
A full book on the war with Men of Iron. Why

02:04:58.380 --> 02:05:01.560
Emperor didn't get a single SEC. Also, just backtracking

02:05:01.560 --> 02:05:03.680
slightly, the one thing I don't want to ever

02:05:03.680 --> 02:05:05.840
be revealed is what the hell's up with the Watchers

02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:07.840
in the Dark? I love them. They're little gooby

02:05:07.840 --> 02:05:11.600
fellas. They should be funny little Jawas that

02:05:11.600 --> 02:05:15.979
move through time. Or whatever they do. Tyboros

02:05:15.979 --> 02:05:19.119
girth maxing out awake. For five, I want two

02:05:19.119 --> 02:05:20.739
or three Thunder Warriors books to entice us

02:05:20.739 --> 02:05:23.359
more on uni wars and space police brutality.

02:05:24.520 --> 02:05:27.680
Flay Howl's balls for his takes. I wouldn't mind

02:05:27.680 --> 02:05:30.340
more unification war. Where's the last question

02:05:30.340 --> 02:05:33.800
of the week? 30k vehicle models are better than

02:05:33.800 --> 02:05:37.479
the 40k ones. I don't like the graph tanks that

02:05:37.479 --> 02:05:39.180
the space marines have. I've got to be honest.

02:05:39.300 --> 02:05:41.699
I think they're a bit too... Primaris are bad.

02:05:42.079 --> 02:05:44.680
Primaris are poo -poo. Most 40k vehicles are

02:05:44.680 --> 02:05:46.460
pretty similar. It's like that thing in the inverse

02:05:46.460 --> 02:05:50.140
with episode 9, where it's like, why are the

02:05:50.140 --> 02:05:52.859
stormtroopers on, like, treaded bikes, not floaty

02:05:52.859 --> 02:05:56.899
ones? They fly now. They fly now? They fly now.

02:05:57.060 --> 02:06:00.119
Adam Apple. But to the mystery of Colin's extreme

02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:02.989
sexiness. Hey, that's not mysterious, that shit.

02:06:03.829 --> 02:06:06.609
Shout out to the man who said I had the metrosexual

02:06:06.609 --> 02:06:12.510
beard. Don't know what to do with that one. And

02:06:12.510 --> 02:06:16.930
the last one, Raw666 for Tim. One mystery I want

02:06:16.930 --> 02:06:19.170
to remain a myth for now is the events of War

02:06:19.170 --> 02:06:22.829
in Heaven. With the way GW is writing, I worry

02:06:22.829 --> 02:06:24.890
they ruin the settings and somehow make it...

02:06:25.300 --> 02:06:29.420
war against chaos. That sounds about right. I

02:06:29.420 --> 02:06:31.680
won't mind war in heaven staying in my isolation

02:06:31.680 --> 02:06:35.500
chamber. I just like one or two books. It would

02:06:35.500 --> 02:06:38.100
be nice to have a book with a ton of history

02:06:38.100 --> 02:06:40.420
on it, even if it's not the POV. It doesn't need

02:06:40.420 --> 02:06:45.579
to be. Just like a codex version. There's at

02:06:45.579 --> 02:06:47.260
least a little bit of info on it, to be fair.

02:06:49.149 --> 02:06:51.970
Maybe it's just a little bit extra. I would really

02:06:51.970 --> 02:06:54.449
like them to do things with the other Catan that

02:06:54.449 --> 02:06:56.590
are still in the galaxy, the shards and stuff,

02:06:56.750 --> 02:06:59.050
and also the full Catan that is still in the

02:06:59.050 --> 02:07:02.210
galaxy. Oh yeah, the Outsider, right? It's just

02:07:02.210 --> 02:07:11.279
outside. Yeah. We got another Dono. uh anything

02:07:11.279 --> 02:07:14.319
you raw 66 10 dollars thank you very much joke

02:07:14.319 --> 02:07:16.859
the one mystery i want answer right now is if

02:07:16.859 --> 02:07:18.880
the next new companion in the next rogue trader

02:07:18.880 --> 02:07:22.100
game is going to be a necron uh that would be

02:07:22.100 --> 02:07:25.300
that'd be unbelievable coming from from a necron

02:07:25.300 --> 02:07:28.479
fan i would as a as a necron i would never work

02:07:28.479 --> 02:07:30.880
with a human i i would never work with a human

02:07:30.880 --> 02:07:33.520
no they can do it right do it like you know he's

02:07:34.440 --> 02:07:36.699
He's not working for them. He's there with his

02:07:36.699 --> 02:07:39.279
underlings. It would have to be a wacky noble

02:07:39.279 --> 02:07:42.180
of some sort or a triumviratorian. I think it

02:07:42.180 --> 02:07:46.619
would be so unbelievably fun. Fuck, who's Necron

02:07:46.619 --> 02:07:50.479
Dementia Man? I'm forgetting. Or Trazen. No,

02:07:50.539 --> 02:07:53.039
not Trazen. Zandrick? Yeah, dude, that'd be funny.

02:07:53.359 --> 02:07:56.340
He would work with someone. I think that would

02:07:56.340 --> 02:07:58.380
be so fucking funny if he was part of your party.

02:07:59.840 --> 02:08:04.239
Sounds like necracy. Oh, God. More like a crypt

02:08:04.239 --> 02:08:07.180
tech working with an ad mech. That would be interesting.

02:08:08.500 --> 02:08:10.819
There could certainly be an alliance of desperation

02:08:10.819 --> 02:08:13.380
or something. It could happen. You could do anything.

02:08:13.479 --> 02:08:15.640
It's a whole galaxy. There is surely one Necron

02:08:15.640 --> 02:08:18.220
out there willing to hang around the infinite

02:08:18.220 --> 02:08:22.619
money device that is a rogue trader. Eli or Colin,

02:08:22.840 --> 02:08:25.800
did you have any of the previous questions of

02:08:25.800 --> 02:08:28.319
the week? That's from the Navy one, right? We're

02:08:28.319 --> 02:08:33.130
a bit behind. Yeah. I thought so. Yeah. I do

02:08:33.130 --> 02:08:38.329
have some, yes. It's what Navy would you like

02:08:38.329 --> 02:08:42.710
to be in? You know, Warhammer or not. We've got

02:08:42.710 --> 02:08:46.510
Donkey Man USA first up. Hashtag in the Navy.

02:08:46.670 --> 02:08:49.789
The UNSC Navy, solely because every UNSC ship

02:08:49.789 --> 02:08:52.630
has a banger of a name. Pillar of Autumn, two

02:08:52.630 --> 02:08:54.789
for flinching, hazard pay, they all go hard.

02:08:55.609 --> 02:08:58.310
The ship name's in Halo. Someone was cooking

02:08:58.310 --> 02:09:04.170
with straight fire. Yeah, that's a good one.

02:09:04.229 --> 02:09:09.489
I like that one. Swift Paints. Solid name. I'd

02:09:09.489 --> 02:09:14.430
be a Norn Queen leading the Hive Fleet. Exploring

02:09:14.430 --> 02:09:17.890
new alien worlds. Using their organisms to create

02:09:17.890 --> 02:09:20.250
new and terrifying bioforms. Slowly splitting

02:09:20.250 --> 02:09:22.909
my influence and consuming biosphere after biosphere.

02:09:23.130 --> 02:09:28.710
The galactic equivalent of plants versus zombies.

02:09:29.010 --> 02:09:35.270
I think that's really funny. I'd be ignored.

02:09:37.090 --> 02:09:43.970
I was ready for that one. I'll get two more.

02:09:46.639 --> 02:09:49.979
Dusan Madzaravik. I would like to be a Necron

02:09:49.979 --> 02:09:52.520
Admiral during the war in heaven so I can personally

02:09:52.520 --> 02:09:54.239
inflict as much death and destruction on the

02:09:54.239 --> 02:09:57.359
space elves as possible. You know what? That's

02:09:57.359 --> 02:10:01.560
fine. There's one faction allowed to have a real

02:10:01.560 --> 02:10:03.819
rivalry with the Eldar. It's the Necrons. Two

02:10:03.819 --> 02:10:06.640
big boys of the galaxy. Yeah, when are you two

02:10:06.640 --> 02:10:09.539
starting your Xenos podcast channel, by the way?

02:10:09.739 --> 02:10:14.479
When is this happening? Give it a few more Horus

02:10:14.479 --> 02:10:19.720
Heresy rants. Three episodes. Give it maybe 20

02:10:19.720 --> 02:10:24.560
more Eldar books. Only 10 more Necron books needed.

02:10:24.920 --> 02:10:27.000
And this book sucked. And this book sucked too.

02:10:27.140 --> 02:10:29.520
And this book sucked a little bit less. Thanks

02:10:29.520 --> 02:10:33.760
for coming. And then last but not least, DJ Beast.

02:10:34.300 --> 02:10:36.300
Not many people will agree, but I would want

02:10:36.300 --> 02:10:39.189
to be an Admiral in One Piece. First of all,

02:10:39.210 --> 02:10:41.149
I have a bad enough moral character that I would

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fit right in. Next I will have a bunch of people

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power scaling me to infinity with the glaze while

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I'm just some jobber. Last reason I would goon

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so much the seas would become white. Colin will

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understand this. That's crazy. That's crazy.

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Hashtag the seaman. The shit. No, it was hashtag

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in the navy. Also, shout out to TazBSX who just

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said Manchester Mention. I love that shop. Manchester

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Mentioned. I yearn for the day the inhabitants

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of Manchester learn to speak English. I'm going

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to Manchester tomorrow, actually. They speak

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Lovecraft there. You'll fit right in, Hal. Yeah,

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I say some weird things. For the next question

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of the week, guys, we have one that's pretty

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on theme for our Halloween episode, which is

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what genuinely terrifies you in Warhammer? Is

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it under hashtag fear? What generally obviously

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terrifies Eli is someone who would choose heresy

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over 40k if it had gone to their head, apparently.

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God forbid he likes that. No words terrify me

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more than Gav Thorpe Eldar story. I hear a one

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-winged angel playing. I get terrified of the...

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I can't remember where I read it from. It's the

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guy in one of the Huron Blackheart, maybe it's

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a short story or something, where one of the

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guys gets put behind his throne and he gets put

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into this device which is like a life support

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and he can't move. Is that Abaddon? Who did that?

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No, that's the Epidemius, I think. That's when

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he attached his psyches. This is one where the

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guy's just put behind Huron's throne, I think,

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and he's put into a life support tube down his

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neck. He can't move, and he's just stuck there.

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He'll never die because he's a space marine.

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He won't basically age slowly. He's on life support.

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He can breathe. He won't need to eat. He's just

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stuck there with his own mind in the darkness.

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which is, if anyone can imagine that, he can't

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hear, he can't speak, he can't smell anything.

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It's just the void of nothing, and he has his

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own madness. So that's terrifying. Yeah, one

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of the probably worst fates, other than whatever

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Epidemius, I think it was Epidemius, the Grey

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Knight, he did that too. Yeah. I think it is.

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One of the Grey Knight grandmasters and their

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founders. Yeah, that's bad, that one as well.

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Colin? pox walker would the pox walkers would

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probably be my pick because it's a i mean it's

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zombie apocalypse but you also have locked in

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syndrome in your own body while it goes to murder

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people is it like um like that just sounds awful

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on every level it's like 28 years later like

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this is gonna get caught girl you know yeah it's

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like the you know 28 you know the later series

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but you're fully conscious while your body is

02:13:42.640 --> 02:13:45.659
beating your friends to death like that's just

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horrific mandrakes are scary i think mandrakes

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are scary and they're another cool mystery the

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dreadnought too would probably let's be honest

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a dread being becoming a dreadnought would be

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awful like no thank you just put me down i know

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only in death does duty end but can we expedite

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that where is it from with the robotic voice

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that was like i feel cold who says that Is that

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from Doctor Who or something like that? I can't

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remember. Someone made a fan comic where a Wraith

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Lord and a Dreadnought are talking to each other

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and they're both just kind of miserable, which

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is a fun fan comic, but sad fun. Well, I hope

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everyone enjoyed these mysteries. We've got a

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Halloween episode next week on more scary stuff.

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But this one was more of a... unsolved mysteries

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episode. I hope everyone enjoyed the selection.

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I didn't choose all the obvious ones, so give

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me another one. I saved Rangdan, I saved Lost

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Primarchs, all that good stuff. I've chosen some

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topics I think maybe not everyone would know

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about and some ones that are quite fun. Hopefully

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everyone enjoyed that episode. The little rant

02:14:59.680 --> 02:15:06.890
at the end. Rage. We do clearly... As again,

02:15:07.010 --> 02:15:09.770
me and Andy literally started a podcast channel

02:15:09.770 --> 02:15:13.250
called Lodgecast, reading every single Horrors

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Heresy book, so you know exactly how I feel about

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it. Hopefully everyone enjoyed that, and then

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we'll see you guys very, very soon on next week's

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episode. Hope you all enjoy, and do check out

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the cum shirt. Merch! It's the cum shirt. It

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is the cum shirt. Get your cum shirts. Cum shirts.

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Okay. Bye, guys.