Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Lore
Crimes, the podcast with your three favorite
fellas. I'm here, too, as everyone every week
so politely says something to the effect of love
you guys for coming here. It always makes me
feel warm inside. Stream was late due to me gooning.
There's also that one. We can't forget that other
classic banger. Today, you know, we've got it's
the month of October. And we've got, you know,
it's the spooky month, you know, the do the little
Sir Pelo dance, whatever that is. Please tell
me I'm not the only one who knows what that is.
I'm going to just look. All right. When I beg
of you, someone in the chat right now needs to
save me and tell me they know what I'm referencing,
because if not, I'm going to look even like more
of a loser. Anyways. Spooky month. So, you know,
we've got it's only fitting to do that. And I
must apologize, Orc fans, but the entire month
of October cannot be dedicated to green skins.
Yeah, it doesn't sell. Yeah. Somebody's doing
Orcs. No one's fucking watching them. Well, before
we get to that, can I also mention we had a we
had a man on the other day on the podcast. His
name's Bricky or something. He was like, I promise
you all. We're going to get some merch made on
orchid8 .com of the Law Crimes Fellows. I don't
know how to be proud of this. Lo and behold,
today, let me see if I can also show a picture.
So the picture itself is of us, including all
of us here and Bricky. And it looks something
like this. As you can see. Lovely design. King
of the Hill inspired by our resident artist,
Chaotic. And you got the whole gang. You got
Bricky. I don't know who this is. And now you
can get this on a t -shirt for a very limited
time via Orchid8 .com. Please check the link
I just put in the chat. There is something to
notice here. I didn't register when I first saw
it that the drink said come. It does. That's
only just now clicking. Yeah, we are selling
a shirt with cum on it. It would appear in this
image Hal is the most fertile. He already has
two children. And keep in mind, you can do whatever
you want with this shirt. You too can have cum
on it. Cum on a cum shirt? I don't know when
you wear this shirt, but shout out Chaotic for
the very nice art. Very much chaotic. But yeah,
I thought I'd mention that. Yeah, Hal loves it.
I'll see if we can get some samples maybe for
the gang so we can wear them on stream occasionally.
But other than that, what are we talking about
today, fellas? Well, oh, my stream just had a
bit of a funny glitch. Ignore that. We're talking
about some spooky stuff, aren't we, Hal? Yeah,
I've prepared something for all the enjoyers
here today. The other guys have no idea what
I'm talking about. Not a clue, but we're going
to delve into some of the more interesting and
kind of unsolved mysteries of, I guess, just
Warhammer 40k and a bit of 30k. No Warhammer
fantasy, unfortunately. But I'm going to hopefully
guide it through some... Sorry, Colin, but we're
going to go through quite deep on this, but I'm
interested to hear what the guys... theories
are and maybe if they have certain opinions but
we're going to start somewhere which maybe not
everyone is familiar with this this is the i
guess the concept slash uh the idea of enunciate
which not many people make warhammer videos necessarily
about um i guess i'll ask the guys do you have
any we see we don't give like a basic rendition
of what they think it is so far I think Colin
might be the worst to ask, no offense. No, it's
like some super language from ancient times that
you can speak into reality. It's like the Thu
'um. It is basically the Thu 'um. Yeah, no, I
know about Anuncia because there's barely anything
to know about it. You cannot shout, oh, Da Ving,
unfortunately, and then not decapitate or throw
into the air the white run guard, which is very
sad. There's no way to save him either. That's
just, he is destined to die. Someone did make
a video. You can try, but then he just stands
outside of Whiterun and is not working. I think
even then, I saw someone push him into the middle
of the chamber and he still flew in the air and
died. He's just, no saving him. We're absolutely
boinged. Okay, Anuncia though, I'm not gonna
lie, this is some cool, cool shit. But I have
to bring you guys back. I need to bring you back
to 4000 BC. So in the Warhammer timeline, we
first hear of it. quote here of Enuncia, with
the Emperor, who had a name called Neoth, and
this is concerning the events of the Tower of
Babel? Colin, is it Babel or Babel? I mean, I
don't think that one matters too much. Hey, if
you say it wrong, that's just further proof to
the myth that man climbed too high and couldn't
speak the same tongue, so you know what? However
you say it, it works. It's just proven it. The
Neoth, or Big N, I don't think we should call
him that. I really don't think we should call
him that. I already know the comments are immediately
on my case. Goodness. Neoth, he came across Anuncia
when at the Tower of Babel, which was built by
the Cognite, which is interesting. This is going
to come up quite a lot in this episode. And some
people might have more theories about the Cognite
as well. At his time, Warmaster, which was Alanius'
person. He is obviously a very important character
for later. They are both perpetuals, and they
would discover some words of Anuncia written
in this tower, which Alanius would speak and
use to destroy the tower, because I believe it's
when Neoth kind of first comes across the idea
like chaos exists, and it's like two different
paths stretch out from this point. We next see
Anuncia during the Horus Heresy. andy i think
you've read this book which is prospero burns
where one of these space wolves uh uses it to
specifically banish a zeachian demon so i should
also state enunciate when they speak it it sounds
almost unintelligible to like the human ear like
they can't no one could recreate like slash say
what that person had said and it's the phenomena
that boomers have whenever they listen to gen
z they're like i have no idea But that's universal.
That's just called aging, unfortunately, for
us all. I was with it once. Now what I thought
was it is old and everything is new and scary.
Shout out to you. Shout out to my knee that gave
out, by the way, yesterday, randomly at one point.
Dude, because I've been sleeping on an air mattress
for three weeks, I bent down to pick up laundry
the other day and my back hurt. Oh, we're so
in. We're so in. Punk city over here. Alright,
well, you're married, old man. There was next
an event during the slash Massacre at Calth,
where a word bearer would speak a word of annuncia
and it enacted like corrupt machine code. Again,
like smaller instances are not necessarily part
of the big picture. There's a funny one, which
is my favorite, which is everyone's favorite
character, Mr. John Grammaticus. He speaks of
him and Alanius get teleported. to in during
the siege of terror like you know it's at the
end basically the emperor has been fighting horus
they teleport into the throne room in the vengeful
spirit uh they land in they see the emperor is
like defeated and wounded on the floor they turn
around horus is right there yeah not good uh
so john speaks a word of enunciate and just beams
horus back a little bit It doesn't kill him,
but it just, you know, buys some time. And again,
even speaking Anuncia is like quite dangerous.
It can kill people just even speaking it. And
what I particularly have enjoyed as well through
the Ravenna books, the book opens up with the
fact that Ravenna is hunting Cognite agents.
So this is thousands and thousands of years in
the future. And yet the Cognite are still around
somehow. Or as Dan Abnett said, there might be
things where... different iterations of different
groups like pick up the same idea and they you
know like if someone as people might know uh
colin how much did mussolini's basically try
and rebrand it you know it's roman empire you
know 2 .0 yeah no i swear it's the roman empire
ignore the fact that it's uh it's shit yeah yeah
but so people can pick up ideas and lose a war
to ethiopia i must In Inquisitor, Gideon Ravenna
would fight against his kind of, or throughout
his series, it's the arch traitor slash his nemesis
Molotok, or Molot, it's very annoying to pronounce.
And they connotate at this point, or mostly through
this character, are trying to build up a lexicon
of Enuncia. They search for like... ancient,
ancient runes spread out across the entire galaxy.
And Ravenna's not necessarily sure what Anuncia
really is. Again, at this point, it's still kind
of a mystery, despite, I wonder if it's a mystery
to the Emperor in some sense as well. And Ravenna's
rival, Moloch, I hate that word because it's
like the word Moloch, but it's not. And he would
use it to try and elevate himself to godlike
power, which Ravenna was able to stop. And then
my favorite part of this sort of, you know, enunciate,
you know, missing piece mystery that kind of
gets better, which is in 500 M40 Eisenhorn himself,
who is ancient. All his friends are basically
dead at this point. He has been fighting the
cognate. He gets captured by them and he is subjected
and like trapped in this device. It's a really
good booker, which is in the book Magos. It's
like the fourth Eisenhorn book. It's like a subplot
of the Cognitea using the device in their ways,
like create fake demons and what they call later
grails or other things. They make warp entities
loyal to them using Anuncia. And Eisenhorn, when
he's placing this device, they keep putting people
in this device because it ends up killing them.
Not everyone is strong enough. The guy who's
in the device is... part of the cognate, but
he's so tired. He's like, this is killing me
in some sense. Interesting enough, Eisenhorn's
psychic abilities are massively elevated when
he manages to survive the process. His eyes are
permanently changed to a Cadian purple, which
is interesting. So the warp reflects deep within
him. My favorite part of the book is where the
guy who was previously in the cage device, Eisenhorn
is broken out and they're trying to escape. And
him and the other guy just start yelling Anansir
at each other. And it's like clashing the universe
against each other. And it's like breaking things.
And the other characters can't understand what
they're saying, but it's quite incredible power.
And in a way, you see through the Eisenhorn books,
which he has this little famous demon host who
he bound through different chaos rituals before,
which is Churubael, if everyone has read that
before. Churubael. is a demon host who says to
him at the end i'm afraid of you so something
about annuncia made a demon host loyal to him
and he doesn't resist him anymore i was wondering
where do you guys think annuncia comes from if
anyone had any theories or like working ideas
about it or even necessarily what it can do.
Well, it came from the goddamn Tower of Babel,
so Big E tripped over the language of God, and
because he's himself, was like, no, I can do
better. I didn't hear you. Yeah. Okay, is that
good? Someone in chat says that it was that the
old ones, it was the old ones stuff. It's not
explicitly said, but I've heavily with the theory
that this is how the old ones Basically, this
was their god -altering powers in some sense.
Either they created or they discovered a language
which was able to affect the material verse and
the warp, which is maybe how the webway was created.
Because there's some weird convoluted thing about
Vashtor and other old one technology things.
But the idea of it, I think Anuncia can most
likely be used to essentially almost do anything.
But yet to enact enunciate or speak enunciate
is incredible. It alters your very being because
it is that whole Lovecraftian concept of you
understand the truth of the universe and it's
terrifying. And therefore, when people who understand
the truth of the universe, they basically go
mad or they end up dying because it's too much
to handle. Unless your name is Eisenhorn or particularly,
which will come up later, possibly blanks. can
survive this uh that is the kind of that's the
first big mystery but it's going to lead on to
an even bigger one which i need to talk about
after this but i wonder if you guys had any other
particular thought because it's it's going to
come up again i think in some of the big plots
in 40k happening at the moment but it's an interesting
concept because i think it's more of it's a dan
abner like control like thing isn't it but i
do love this little mystery of what its truth
is is there is there a reason big e didn't just
like start spitting bars and annuncia at horus
like did they ever ex he knows it surely like
is there a reason he didn't just start like screaming
power word kill 500 times well that's the thing
maybe the emperor doesn't the thing is elani
is like grammaticus is able to he knew a word
before i think i remember in uh in uh the final
siege terror books if he gleaned one from alanis's
mind it might have been the same one that destroyed
the tower but like other characters you kind
of just like learning one word sometimes like
john uses it and then he forgets it he can only
use it once it's like a really weird Again, it
kind of is like a one -word, one -time use of
Fus -Ro -Dah, but a lot stronger than a Fus -Ro
-Dah. Although, again, it can corrupt things,
can bind things, but it's not warp magic. You
don't have to be a psychic. It's like a Google
Play card. Only one use. Jeff Bezos, basically.
He buys it. I've never been a big fan of Annuncia,
but I don't know. I've never been able to pin
down why. Like, I don't know. I don't even care
if it's cheating. It's just like, it's just,
it's there. And then it isn't there. And it's
what, it just strikes me as a, what, what was
the point? It's a silly thing that one author
made and nobody else. Yeah. I don't like, and
even then, like, I don't mind. It's a one author
thing. I just, I don't. Something about the concept
of an existing. I like that it fleshes out the
world a bit and there's this big powerful thing
that's not chaos related, right? Good on you.
You did good for that. I could use more. It wasn't,
you know, stuff where it wasn't chaos the whole
time, actually. We could use some more of that,
but I don't know, maybe just the way it is. It's
this super cool language that kills everything,
but you can't use it. It just kind of reads to
me mostly as just kind of wasting space. Like
they used it to, you know. break up biggie and
you know you know elanius whatever his name is
now and then after that i don't it's it shows
up and it's like hey it's this thing it's too
much of a plot device rather than an actual thing
yeah oh that's fair enough i think it's it's
interesting what i think they will be doing with
it going forward which i think again everyone's
ready that i can go into my second because i
i needed to state what annuncia was to be able
to go into the actual big mystery here which
is before we do should we do some donations quickly
yes so to start us off uh tyros girth maxing
at awake wow cancel the vid i already hired detective
chip to solve these also colin is built like
a me and it's equally as terrifying as matt The
really strong me, isn't he? He's the one you
can't beat. Oh, Colin, you're muted. I don't
have my Nintendo lore up to snuff, apparently.
You know what, I'll take that. You compared me
to the god emperor of me kind, Matt. Thank you,
Dead Wars. Document USA, streamed late due to
Hal Gooning to the Halo World Champions It 2025.
Thanks, bro. I actually saw some of the games
in there. Because I was in the same vicinity
as someone who cares about it. Andy will wear
a green hat in nine weeks. I'm stupid. Just dunk
my brush in my glass of wine. That is unfortunate,
but that's still a much better outcome than what
I first read because I thought you said my bush.
I had many questions, none of them with happy
answers. Thank you. The most scrumptious busboy.
Thank you for the $2. Streamlight dudes are calling,
crying over Halo news. Colin, what is the Halo
news? There's rumors that the Halo Combat Evolved
remake will be like 90 % generative AI. Oh, God.
No way. Crush my balls with a rock, please. Holy
cow. That'll be Flop City. Can they just make
something different? Dude, make that fucking
Mega Bloks Halo game. That would be fun. Not
for Lego Halo. I can't believe that they changed
their name to Halo Studios to kind of erase the
343 Studios bad reputation, only to their first
step in a new direction make the worst possible
move. It's impressive, almost. What if they were
made out of poo -poo? Oh, this guy's got a crazy
name. Colin's husband oiled up in bouncing spooky
style for five bucks. Thanks for the gash picture
as well, the old one. The biggest mystery are
where my balls went and why CS Grotto was allowed
to write books. Also, colon, have you tried Halo
Flashpoint? I might try it. The arcade game?
No, that's a tabletop game. It's a tabletop skirmish
game. I have not tried it, not because I even
think it's bad, because at least the models look...
Pretty damn cool. My issue with that game is
an inherent issue where if I wanted to play a
4v4 match of Halo, I would load up Halo. It's
not that I think it's inherently bad, it's just
I can just play Halo. Tyboross, Girthmaxing out
of wake again. Piccolo stomps Biggie. Does he?
I have not watched any. Yeah, that's Piccolo.
Piccolo's orange now. stop main event virgil
thank you for the five the biggest mystery in
40k is how gw has managed to f up space dwarves
rip and decided the world leaders are a complete
army we have like five models ffs yeah yeah i
have the whole desktop name year of chaos baby
unfortunately for you chaos is only for aos yo
is that my picture bro thank you andy Thank you,
Andy. Thank you, Gnomius. Gnomius Chomsky for
20 euros. Thank you, by the way. Greetings, lad.
I hope you all are doing well. Currently celebrating
my brother's ribbon -cutting ceremony. Celebration
before ending high school. I wish you all a great
rest of the day. Hal, I hope you feel better.
Thanks, bro. I love that expression. It's just
like, that's the kind of photo that's usually
got the... the police station lines behind. Yeah,
the mugshot. You don't see a picture and you
realize you look like your dad. It's like, oh
no, I'm old. No, I look more like my aunt and
my uncle. What do you mean by this? Different
aunt and uncle. No, it's okay. That's hilarious.
I realized the other day I might look like a
30 -year -old man. And that's really scary. Because
I still think, you forget that you don't look
your age. You know when people start referring
to you as a gentleman? And you're like, oh no,
I'm old. Don't say hello to the gentleman. God.
I've looked the same for the last 10 years, so
I assume I've looked 30 when I was in my 20s.
Yeah, I've looked like this since I was like
14, minus the beard. And he sounded 35. I've
had tweaks there. I've changed. But thank you
for the five gifted. And last one here for now.
You're Joe with the tour. Thank you. You guys
have anyone read the new Eldar Corsair book?
I don't know. I've not heard great things. I've
heard good things. I've got to be honest. I mean,
I don't know. It'll sit on my audible list until
it is either on the like reduced or if it's like
on a two for one credit. thing because i have
no like compunction to listen to it just because
i've done all my elder content i'm like don't
pull me back in i've done my time i've done my
time leave me be i think the issue with a lot
of the warhammer books now is that we there could
be a lot of good books but we just need something
to shake up the formula because um there's been
a lot of you know i mean like there's a lot of
good books but we need a new infinite and the
divine. We need a new eyes. There needs to be
something that's different from the rest of this.
GW is hearing you loud and clear, Hal. We will
be getting another Marnius Calgar mini suit.
Yeah, baby! Damn, someone will be fighting in
the background. Yeah, my dog. Gaming storyteller.
Oh, yeah. I'm looking at how I look like. Yeah,
Dutch, we're the same person. Dutch, send me
a picture of your face and I'll make a tribute.
It's this. Send me your mugshot. Bro, me and
Dutch, me and Gaming Storyteller, turning up
to the Mr. Beast lookalike competition. Wow.
And yes, fella in chat, Icky Merle, they should
buff the Eldar. Not because they need it, the
Eldar are quite good, but because I'm bad at
playing the Eldar, so they should make every
Eldar the same stat line as like a Terminator.
You don't need an Avatar of Cain in a 1k list,
bro. I know I don't, but I want him. Is there
one more Andy? Oh yeah, one more. From Lelith's
most scrumptious busboy for 499. Gentlemen, I'm
currently on my way to go elk hunting and I've
bought a 6 ,000 point army to play my cousin.
Am I too far gone at this point? Are you doing
the elk hunting first or are you doing the gaming
first? Because I feel like... That would change
the dynamic of the match. Yeah, you should definitely
hunt the elk and then plop it down next to the
table. Immediately win the mind game victory.
That sounds like a good weekend. Or just put
it in his bed. Godfather style. Yeah. All right,
I'm going to jump in, guys, to the next one because
I thoroughly enjoy this one. I don't know if
everyone here is a Horus Heresy enjoyer, but
this is one which is for all that shout out to
all my Imperium boys because we're going to enjoy
this one. Have you guys heard of the King in
Yellow? Oh, yeah. There's this guy called Hal,
I know. It's really annoying. Well, I'm not talking
about necessarily the King in Yellow. But I'd
like to talk about something which is, once again,
Warhammer strikes and grabs something from something
else. And we are going to be talking about something
called the City of Dust. This is, I guess it's
been out for a while, but it's like the on the
edge lore and it's the kind of a big narrative
is forming around it. so we take ourselves back
to the horrors heresy this is set during the
siege of terror i know colin eli's favorite favorites
like sub series of the entire set they don't
shut up about it i love i love glup so much you
don't have any idea i generally don't think colin
eli will read the end of the death because even
i who is an absolute you know i'll put the whole
hog of heresy down my neck but that was a lot
of like law that was quite a lot and you know
what honestly i don't think i didn't i didn't
like his parts but he wasn't as bad as i people
had described it um so but so yeah back to the
actual law parts again apologies if some things
are not 100 because uh i'm going this off of
like my what i remember from headcanon um but
this is set during the siege of terror as at
the final stages where malkador the hero now
he ascends the golden throne poor emperor cries
about it and the emperor is launching his attack
against horus who has let down the shields of
the vengeful spirit but this point now which
the kind of newer law from the siege terror books
the warp is so rampant like spreading over the
entirety of terror itself that the topography
and like the imperial palace like space uh the
eventual spirit they start melding into one like
clusterfuck of a realm and the emperor and horus
they are both gathering warp energy and it said
throughout this book that the emperor is kind
of the reason he became more powerful than any
other of the perpetuals or psychos before him
was that he was able to which is They describe
him like Prometheus. This is like a side bit,
which I find interesting. They describe him like
Prometheus, where he didn't make a deal with
Chaos. He went into the realm of Chaos and stole
the fire. And the secret was that he could take
warp energy and essentially purify it and make
it into his own power. And both Horus and the
Chaos Gods are doing this sort of vice versa.
They're just pumping energy into Horus. Both
of them are ascending into what will become...
the fifth chaos god called the Dark King. The
Dark King is a chaos god of humanity. Eli Collin,
what do you think is... Slaanesh is the god of
the Eldar in some sense, isn't she? Even in fantasy,
isn't Slaanesh... Slaanesh likes elf souls in
fantasy, but she wasn't born of... like the elves
doing anything particular that's just like you
know the the favorite snack in in the end in
the death eldra i think when they have the meeting
all the uh ruling eldar and the ones from like
camaraderie they mentioned how the dark king
is essentially their version humanity's version
of slanesh and it will be essentially a god of
destruction like humanity itself is you know
the whole big theme is like you know the eldar
are um slave to their whims, pleasure, pain,
all that kind of stuff. Humanities is destruction
and death, basically. There'll be a new fifth
chaos god of just annihilation. And in... Yeah,
whoops. It's him. It's him. This melding of real
space, the warp, imperial palace, the eventual
spirit, creates something they call the inevitable
city. And time itself is broken. Clocks stop
working, which is really like everyone starts
to notice why the clock's not ticking. And even
Alanius, he makes an observation. He says, I
recognize that building. That's from Prague.
Like back in the day, like different parts of
history are like melding into one thing. That's
from my gap year. I was in Prague. It was awesome.
Prague is a beautiful city. it is very nice and
uh i went there for christmas once lovely and
the emperor is on his way to kill horus well
he's marching his way there uh the word bearers
and chaos cultists are running away from him
screaming terrified because they can only see
the dark king and the dark king is being brutalized
by the emperor and his psychic might the city
starts to in specific wording, turns into a city
of dust. And then obviously the heresy will end.
That's enough Horus heresy. Colin and Eli can
breathe easy. I'm free! I'm free! We're not done
yet. It's confirmed that the Emperor is not the
Dark King and he never will be. No. Because what
is the inevitable city, Horus even calls, it
is the realm of the Dark King. It is like a Slaanesh
thing where... The Dark King will exist at some
point. And so like Slaanesh, it has therefore
always existed. Which I think is quite interesting.
No, I like that. I don't hate that. But we then
switch to the 40th millennium. And then we join
up with the Eisenhorn slash Beta Beckwin series.
Beta Beckwin, who, again, a very brief summary.
Beta Beckwin is the kind of semi -quasi -clone
of Beckwin from the Eisenhorn novels. She is...
raised by these by the cognate in a place called
the maison du which is a which is a sort of academy
or like cognate training place yeah they well
they thing is in here they think they're inquisition
which is interesting enough but they're actually
working for the cognate and the this is attached
to the hive city called queen mab on a planet
called sankor and it's very important that we
remember those particular points in it like Queen
Mab and Sankor are really weird. They're roaming
like men lost to madness and they wear like armored
face helms in like deserts. And it's like a really
bizarre place. And it's like, again, I really
cannot get across how weird it is. And through
the events of the series, eventually many different
things happen, but eventually Bequin opens a
random door. I should say here, Bequin is a blank.
Just like Beckwin in the previous Eisenhorn series.
Beta Beckwin is a blank. She's able to speak
a word of enunciate and not take any damage,
not to have anything wrong with her, which, and
then were bearers try and like kidnap her. It
gets weird. Beckwin opens a random door. One,
she's trying to run away from this emperor's
children, space Marine called techie, who is
considered he's like this beautiful oil. And
he's called me. His name sounds like a skinks.
He kind of, but he, he's like this perfect, like
being one. He's called like the smiling one.
Cause he's got a creepy eyes. He's always smiling.
And he's been like hunting them. And people have
been like Beckman's like human group have been
like trying desperately to run away from him.
Again, if people read the Eisenhorn series, they
know that they're with a character who's a part
of a house glow. He was from the original Eisenhorn
series. So it's quite interesting, like nice
link there. Beckwin opens this door, and then
she realizes she's not on the planet they were
originally on. It was like a swampy area. She
finds herself in a pocket dimension, which she
sees in front of her a city of dust. And immediately
to her eyes, she notices this is like a weird
mirror to the structures on Queen Mab on Sankor.
And then later throughout the book, Beckwin will
team up with characters like Eisenhorn and Ravenna,
who... show up in this series and by the end
of the second book she's able to enter the city
again because they're trying to find the secret
of eisenhorn's nemesis which is the king in yellow
which is the name he's managed to gleam from
his previous interactions with the cognate which
the king in yellow as for the series is not part
of the cognate but has used them slash works
with them and the cognate think he's basically
used them uh when beckwin is captured by guards
at this area she finds weird like space marine
angels with wings she's escorted by custodians
through this city of dust and she'll be eventually
be taken to the king in yellow and she's eventually
able to use annuncia to help herself escape really
that damn third book but it's quite interesting
how this what was the inevitable city we at least
we this is like this is the theory crafting of
it it might have been the inevitable city which
is a quote -unquote creation of the dark king
or whatever will be the dark king slash the emperor
and horus's weird mix of like it's a mirror of
the imperial palace the vengeful spirit other
parts of terror and then other parts of human
history and it's like a broken version of that
and the king in yellow supposedly exists in this
pocket realm and man it's a very cool i don't
like i do find this Part of the lore, very interesting.
If anyone wants some background stuff, King in
Yellow, obviously being from H .P. Lovecraft's
work, links to what's called Los Carcosas, the
city of Los Carcosas. And there's a thing about
if you see the yellow sign, a little symbol,
you basically are driven mad. Or if you read
from the original Ambrose story, where you read
the book, and if you read further enough into
the book or the poem, I think, you eventually...
starts going mad there's a funny part where one
of the characters like he thinks he's dressed
as like a royal king or something like that and
he then doesn't realize he's like got like tinfoil
and like crappy things wrapped around his head
but he sees a crown and majestic things he thinks
he wants to be like an emperor of america it's
really bizarre but um again yeah boys i need
to know how you think they're gonna i don't care
i don't know if you necessarily everyone has
read these parts of 40k lore again i'm sorry
if i butchered some details on it but i do find
the city of dust part very interesting and then
i guess see i have the idea i don't know if you
guys will agree with this do you think constantin
valdor being the king in yellow is like a red
herring like it's not real i mean if it is it's
probably just going to be a disappointing one
like if they go ah it wasn't him then it's like
what then what was the point of all this build
-up maybe i will I would hate it if they pulled
out it's actually Dawn, but I don't think they
will. Or it's going to be it's actually this
character you've never met before and we've created
bespoke for this particular instance. That would
suck. Just make it Valador, that's fine. I'm
happy. I think it might be because during the
Siege of Terror, Valador does fight Abaddon.
and with his apollonian spear he's able to perceive
like the life and the memories of all those he
stabs with it and when abaddon basically gets
a little as they say from chaos when he sees
when he stabs abaddon he foresees to spoiler
to spoiler literally a future of madness unending
war and death and it drives valdoria kind of
a bit insane he goes bad touch bad touch on and
on and on I am curious about more specifics if
they have a reveal for the Inevitable City, because
this is the second Inevitable City in Warhammer.
There's one in the Chaos Wastes and Fantasy that's
like a hub of chaos, and I think it's actually
the old fantasy MMO of all things. It's like
a chaos hub area, so I'm curious what they'll
do with that, especially because, you know, Veldor's
not quite chaos, even as King Guy. I do... Oh,
yeah. Sorry, Dutch is saying about, yeah, any
drongomaticus. Yeah, I do think I hope it's Constantine,
though, because that'll be good. But again, I
love the mystery part of is where like, where
are these custodians coming from? Why are there
sanguineous like? why they're blood angels. There's
a weird part where Beckwin finds the crucified
bones of a space marine which had angel wings.
So Dan Abnett, he does make some crazy shit.
And there's parts where, again, it's obviously
the cognate on not in this city of dust, but
what force is laying within this city of dust
and what is their purpose? They're obviously
clearly not... This is like 500 M40. This is
500 years before any 13th Black Crusade. And
they've not shown up. And obviously the theory
is the King in Yellow is trying to find the true
name of the Emperor. Does anyone want to explain
what true names are? I mean, it's a common thing
in a lot of media. demons or something's true
name you can bind it you've got power over it
you can make you know packs with it much more
safely i think then which may be that king in
yellow constantine valdor may wish to either
kill the emperor or seek to control the emperor
in some way and then or bring him off the throne
or maybe kill him entirely who knows and then
obviously if Constantine Valder wants to bring
him off the throne. Who has to put him back on
the throne, which is the Grey Knights, which
is probably why the Terminus Decree thing was...
I'm seeing the vision. I do think it's quite
stupid, obviously, the Terminus Decree stuff,
slightly, but I see the vision, which will be
interesting, because I think Dan Abnett had at
one point said he would love to write Custodians
versus Grey Knights. So... Okay, I'm not going
to, like, grim, but... Not bad. I mean, we've
played Dawn of War. The whole plot of that game
is everyone is beating the snot out of everyone
else, including the sisters, guard, and space
brains all going, put them up. But it's that
thing of, I don't understand, like with mysteries,
it's almost better talking about the mystery
than it is unveiling it. So I wish there's, so
I hope once they do it, there's more to it as
well after. Well, yeah. I mean, it's obvious
statement is obvious, but once you explain the
mystery, there's no more mystery. it is very
again it's hard to do the description of these
places justice but this one i think is particularly
i do enjoy this one obviously being someone who's
a lovecraft fan that would well not necessarily
him but as in the concepts of the worlds very
much you know shout not shout out to his cat
but you know that uh that has interesting concepts
and i do like the fact of it's being uh using
like an interesting way in 40k i don't know if
anyone had any do you think it's Because, again,
I don't know if it's not Xenos. You guys, I don't
know if you want to cook with it. But Andy, maybe
you might enjoy it. Eli, what's up? All this
Emperor and Imperial lore is too much for my
Chud Xenos brain. I will say I do two things
about The Dark King I kind of like is that, one,
it's an older lore retcon in some ways I'm quite
okay with. Because, you know, go back far enough
and it's like the, you know, Nurgle, Zeench,
and Khorne all had... like creation dates corresponding
with like humanity's middle ages, which I'm not
a fan of that because then you look, Oh, it's
one planet of people made three chaos gods. And
then it's like, Hey, Eldar empire, you made one.
That's, that's kind of, kind of whack. Shout
out to the guy who said the cat of his father.
Thank you. Isn't there a thing in like, I've
been getting through the Wolf tack books, the
Orc, and it's all about the Drew Kari saying
about how. humanity are kind of weird because
they they burn way brighter than any other race
but they also burn out quicker where it's like
they're massive game changers that's why they
have such a a volatile relationship with the
warp that's why they have more chaos gods that's
why they they spread like rats they're just able
to cause way more mayhem than any other species
because there's just something about them that's
like a catalyst but also that basically damns
them to never be able to be a stable rulership,
because it's like, you guys are always breaking
shit. I don't know. You guys are silly billies.
I don't know. This all sounds like it'll be leading
up to absolute malice sweep. I'm expecting a
malice sweep soon. I don't know. I also, the
Dark King, I like him in concept, like the humanity
chaos god. I just, I think nine years was a little
bit too quick for him to be cooking and almost
born. I think, well, there was two possibilities,
which was that during the Siege of Terra, the
Chaos Gods were going to incidentally create
one and basically create another Eye of Terra
where Terra was. So this was going to be through
the Chaos Gods because initially everyone thought
that Horus would be the Dark King. But because
the Emperor starts to take on board so much warp
energy, more than Horus, beat him the fact like
the like i mean like time stopped as like aramins
like weirdly in the cc terror books at the end
he even says like prophecy doesn't work anymore
eldrad and the um the other farseers all the
other leaders of different craft worlds and the
nobles who are still alive at this point from
uh comrade they can't perceive a future the future
is not either they said either something's interrupting
it or it's there isn't it's not there anymore
like everyone's going to die so i like that again
like they really raised the stakes on that point
but the kind of big mystery like that i guess
is the true unsolved thing is there will be a
dark king so who is the dark king who will become
you know the one that basically kills humanity
or at some point you know in the far future you
know it is it was spared from the 30th millennium
but at what point will you know essentially there
be another birth of a chaos god or in some way
a smaller version of a sunesh sort of thing you
know how big will humanity be which again i find
that very uh interesting and i wish to see where
they go with that um rarest pepe colin is not
the dark king He has dark hair, but he is in
fact not a dark king. He's not the dark king.
Do you want to do some donations, Andy? You're
on mute, Andy. Andy! I'm here. I'm muting out
my coughing because I'm a bit poorly. I'll save
this one though. Donkey Man USA, new Halo reveal,
profoundly mid. Unsurprising. Of course. Such
as the state of affairs of Halo. Vandals are
in charge of my beloved. Who wants this one?
ScaryRaptor51, thank you for the $4 .99. Hal,
I too am turning 30. Next month, in fact. Here's
the secret. If you never look in the mirror,
the wrinkles don't exist. I have mine. Consume
all. Thank you very much. I appreciate that,
brother. Happy birthday. In one month. Mm -hmm.
Goddamn. Last one for now. Who wants this one?
Colin is asking. Angriomunculus with the five
euros, pounds, pardon me. Thank you very much.
Speaking of skinks, Colin, did you know that
the Seraphon slash Lizardmen are getting a book
by the dude who did Day of Ascension? Kilmain,
Berm, Kilma. I did not know that, no. I saw that
picture today, actually, and there's a model
that comes with it as well. It's a skink, isn't
it? Nice. That does look pretty cool. By the
way, I'm going to make myself some Lemsip for
my sore throat. So I will return the game visuals,
but I will just be two minutes because I'm a
poorly boy. Sorry, boys. Poorly Andy. Well, to
be fair, for the rest of the guys here, I do
have another offering, which is a bit of a short
one. But I quite like this one because it's a
bit weird. This is probably some that some people
may have heard this one before. I don't know
if you guys have, but it's Artifact 9 Kappa MU.
I don't know if you have. I'm not sure. Bless
you. Well, essentially, we go to the Sol system,
and I mean literally like Terra, Mars, Venus,
basically our home system. This is set during
the Horus Heresy, but all the way up to the 41st
millennium. There is a 30 -kilometer planetoid.
that is set i think it's is is what's it is this
in the call and fabius book is this in gene father
i think they go here in gene father unless i'm
thinking of something else it might be something
different from the artificial planet mate well
i'll read a bit more we'll see sorry this is
a um this is a planetoid which is i just like
30 kilometers across it is described as a geose
I can't even say this word, bro. Geosedic sphere
of black metal. Its design is like honeycomb
passages. It has catacombs. No one knows where
this thing comes from. You cannot detect it by
any normal means. So it would be like Auspex
or long range scanners, anything. It is completely
undetectable unless through the naked eye or
you can touch it. It is, again, made of not oily
black stone, any other concept like black stone,
but is a black metal. Nobody knows where this
thing comes from. It was discovered shortly by
the Mechanicum kind of around, I guess, the 30th
millennium, like Great Crusade era. It's been
known for quite a while. The Mechanicum, such
Mechanicus, they research it. they know nothing
about it they cannot discern anything they have
tried to shoot it they have tried to launch nukes
other things with it it is apparently completely
indestructible this is like near jupiter or something
like this is this thing floating in his own orbit
and nobody knows what it is for people think
it's possibly from the dark age of technology
which for references, like when the golden age
of mankind's technological height was. And it
appears, if everyone looks at the Sudaterra,
like a map they made for the Sudaterra books,
on the Solar War map, you can see that it is
marked out. And previously it's been used, everyone,
Eli hates this book. If you remember Eli, it's
in Praetorian of Dawn. Eli hates this book because
Alpha Legion reacted stupid in this one. The
Alpha Legion used this as a sort of way station
slash secret base during what would be the prelude
to the Siege of Terror when the Alpha Legion
agents are essentially stealing the plans for
the Sol System slash Dawn's built defenses. They
have different agents. Another one, they have
a meeting place on this weird planetoid. And
the Imperial Fist, which is Arcamus, who's one
of the first ever Imperial Fists, he actually
leads a kill team to go capture slash eliminate
or find the Alpha Legion here. it's kind of again
like even since the siege of terror it's been
seen as a thing where basically there's only
two like no one knows what to do with this thing
what it is for is unkillable just floats around
in the soul system uh it could be made by necrons
or old ones even or again humanity's golden age
um but there's only two things they've done with
it so far which is either again horus heresy
secret base And the Mechanicus, or Adeptus Mechanicus,
have devices set around it that just scream a
signal, do not come near, go away. That's all
they can do with this weird thing. And they basically
gave it the designation 9 Kappa MU. Oh, I've
got fireworks outside. How lovely. Sorry, guys,
for that. But it is a really weird thing. it's
just randomly in the soul system but i do like
like it's a sort of weird um sort of unsolved
little mysteries again but this is that's a little
small offering but i have a another one as well
which is i have to lean on to the eisenhorn stories
uh how many here have read eisenhorn i read two
i read two of them so long ago i have not read
them I have not read them either. I have been
given a blessing by Dutch that I will share with
the class. Please do. Oh, no. Do you want to
describe it for the audio listeners, Colin? Sure.
It's what appears to be an imperial map of the
soul system where our good friend Dutch has very
kindly added a picture of Hal mid -sentence labeled
Artifact 9 Kappa Mu. Let me have a look. Hold
on. If I do this for a second, I can put it on
screen. Thank you, King. Appreciate it. No worries.
It's definitely not the place I go to in the
call books. I would highly doubt it. Because
Fabi's file also shows that. You got Hal, Artifact
9 Kappa. Yeah, which is weird to make it into
the Seeker Tarot stuff slash Soul System ones.
But understandable. in some sense i guess it
is a it again no i don't know if anyone here
is probably a theory maybe the old ones maybe
the next ones it's the next ones possibly always
the next one but i don't think terror has a tomb
world underneath it i think it'd be funnier if
it was just there it's just hanging out yep it
is just there um but this next one which i quite
like this one this is And the beautiful year,
I think, of 2004, this book. I can't remember
what happened then. I don't think Eli was even
born. What? 2004? You're basically like, bro
was still a sperm. I was in Canada by 2004. A
little more than a gleam in his father's eye.
Unbelievable. Well, this is set during the finale
of the Eisenhorn trilogy, which is the third
book. which is Hereticus. And as I love this
book, I want to say this sentence here, if anyone
knows their glossier, which is Thorn requires
Talon, shades of Eternity. Oh, I fucked it up.
Damn it. Sorry. Thorn requires Talon, shades
of Eternity, rapturous beasts below, which is
Eisenhorn's secret little code that they use
in his inquisitorial agents. He created his own
thing. So Thorn requires Talon, which is Eisen
Thorn. Eisenhorn requires, would like to speak
to Talon, which is nicknamed for Ravenna. And
then Shades of Eternity can mean chaos, rapturous
beast below, expect enemy resistance. They have
like a quite cool little something. I worked
that out, by the way, for my own Eisenhorn video.
I kind of broke Glossier a little bit, which
is hilarious because in the books they say like,
oh my God, he broke Glossier. It's like, it's
not that hard. It's like when you're trying to
like swear with your mum around, but also you're
like, I don't want her to know I'm swearing.
So you make it up with your friends and you have
code words. Yeah. Oh, Greg from school's a dick.
And he's like, yeah, I'm just going to make,
oh, it's like, oh, Garg from. duel is dog kig
yeah that's the code word for greg i have a complicated
this one is set during what would be again it's
been a hot minute since i've read this book but
i do really recommend eisenhorn book so very
fun the throughout the book we discover that
someone's been with eisenhorns like he's been
killing off um their little like entourage of
blanks they've been killing off his agents other
things and they find out like he kept certain
chaos artifacts as well they knew he had chaos
artifacts and it leads to again spoilers but
all law is spoilers um this leads to a point
where he discovers that someone the person who's
messing with him has been pontius galore who
he believes to be long gone slash dealt with
or not dead but as in he last saw glor when he
transferred him into like a servitor robot or
something and he kept him with like a magos you
know in a prison turns out he broke out of prison
killed the magos most likely and he was like
his friend and uh pontius is back on the block
he's and he's been messing with those things
the pontius is The thing is, Pontius wasn't killing
Eisenhorn. He's an antagonist who's as intelligent
as Eisenhorn. He wasn't targeting Eisenhorn because
he had a personal vendetta necessarily. There
was something that he needed from Eisenhorn,
which was the Malice Codicium, which is a chaos
tome, specifically. And throughout the entirety
of Hereticus, he eventually leads where he joins
up with Ravenna again. And Ravenna... at this
point, allies himself with Eldar and Farseers,
who they respect Ravenna because Ravenna, despite
being in a hovering wheelchair, they consider
him one of the good ones in terms of humans because
Ravenna has a respectable amount of psychic power.
Even though he's in Ordos Xenos, which is hilarious,
he's supposed to hunt Xenos. Ravenna works with
Eldar because Eldar foresee him as being sort
of trustworthy and also he will... Again, they
play with fates and they actually team up with
the Eldar to go hunt down Pontius Galore, who
they realize is going to enact this great weapon.
But the big mystery comes when they are able
to, is it a seance or something? Or like they
perceive a certain recreation or something that
happened in history where... Pontius Glor, who's
been put into this new artificial golden body,
and it's muscly, like a walking sculpture. They
perceive this. They go to a planet, and they're
able to see what he sees. And they travel to
this planet that is completely not on the maps.
It's impossible to find almost, apart from, again,
they have to use a seance to see it. I don't
know if seance is the right word, but they recreate
Pontius discovering this thing. and what's interesting
about this kind of desert -y like green hazy
planet is it's described as a so they arrive
in at this point eisenhorn has been messed up
like his legs don't work properly he has like
his like proper device attached like the crew
thing attached to the back of his head and it's
he's he's grim he's lost loads of his friends
have died uh it's not good and they appear in
this uh like they go underground in these tombs
things and they find what is quote a cyclopean
city of glassy black rock that has been so long
vanished that it's become a like a psychic phantom
of itself remains and he says it's he finds it
fascinating terrifying and so few things in the
universe had made him feel insignificant which
is incredibly weird to say for someone who has
been in literal hive cities and higher planets
and the interesting part about this law is that
on this planet it is said to be a planet built
by demons like quote the myth like the man of
cardism i think even says maybe or other parts
in the law i has been it's been a hot minute
since i read the book but supposedly this is
where a demon king's realm was and a demon king
called Ysaril? Ysaril. And this is where his
tomb was laid. The city was built by demons and
his tomb there lays a great weapon. And I think
in the exact quote is, I don't know, I think
he says, I could make out little of the dark
gulf below, but there was something there, something
the size of a great imperial hive city. I discerned
a black geometric shape that was fashioned from
neither stone nor metal nor even bone. But it
seemed all those things at once. It was repellent,
dead but alive, dormant, but filled with a slumbering
power of a million stars. The Baroque of the
Demon King, Ysario's chariot of unholy battle,
his instrument of apocalypse, with which he had
scoured the warped fortresses and habitations
of his own reality in wars too dreadful to imagine.
And it eventually leads up to where Eisenhorn
is able to use the now rebound Cherubael, his
demon host, the set before the Beta Bequin stories.
And Cherubael fights another demon host of Pontius.
And Eisenhorn is eventually able to slay slash
destroy the device that keeps his soul bound
to the construct that his body is in. eisenhorn
just fucks off leaves this world and you know
destroys records of it so no one will ever find
this impossible fortress of again because when
it's in the scene in the book him and other characters
like walk in and they just see this city and
it's they're seeing it from like high up and
they're like it doesn't end and it's The doors
and other structures are of an impossible size
that you cannot even imagine what once lay here.
Which, again, is a really... And this, again,
once, interestingly enough, never revisited again.
That's in that planet. This demon -created planet.
But I think it's a cool unsolved thing of, did
demons really build this planet? Is it Blackstone?
Because this is long before the concept of Blackstone
slash prior Nexus or anything like that, really.
Or maybe this might have been the first time
someone even mentioned it. It's hard to tell.
Again, not perfect on the lore in this, but the
idea of this city, which is, is it Necron? Is
it Eldari? Is it Old One? Or is it neither of
those things? Or is it, you know, is it Warp?
Absolute, complete mystery. Who knows? But I
think people might enjoy that one. Again, if
you want to learn more about some of these stuff,
don't go... Go read the Eisenhorn trilogy because
I made a video about that as well. Go watch that.
Actually, that's easier. They did go read the
books because there's so many more details in
that one, though. I've got two more as well.
Is there another few donors? We can stop there.
That's a good point. Andy's audience is broken.
Oh, no. Oh, no. Okay. He said he's listening
on his phone. So I think you can hear us. I cannot
hear you guys, but I think I can talk to you.
So I'm listening on the phone, but we can get
through some donations because I'm a few steps
behind. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, kings and queens
listening. Sorry. Stealthy47, thank you for the
$5. The biggest mystery in 40K is does white
girl music still exist? I sure hope it does.
Dude, last Friday night is eternal. Give me Britney
any day. That's good too. Chris M. Thank you
for the five. Can't catch the whole episode because
of work, but finally caught a pod live and wanted
to toss some support your way. Thank you, man.
Thank you very much. Hope work goes well. Appreciate
that, man. Thank you. Colin's husband oiled up
and bouncing spooky stuff for two bucks. Great.
Now I got to get caught up on Halo. Oh, yeah.
They also, by the way, the new campaign. Halo
campaign evolved. Wow. Thanks. Fucking firing
on all cylinders with that one. Thank you, Warp
Dust dealer. Thank you very much for the $10.
You little mouse slash rat. I got a 12 pack of
that Warp Dust that you can only find walking
along the Black Dust transport paths in the Outdoor.
I'm sipping on that Beastman Brain Kurgan Shadowland
Grown Dark Evil pack. Thank you. Yeah, man. Those
were English words. Maybe. KaijuBlue for $4 .99.
The Halo reveal made me cry, so I came to watch
this instead. Everyone faring well. Doing good,
man. Doing good. Tragic. Colin is not having
a day. No, no. But that's part and parcel with
being a Halo fan in modern day. I don't know
if... Yeah, perfect. I have another one for the
offerings, but this one might be one that actually
the boys might know, slash can chip in on, which
is the origins of the Tyranids. This is an interesting
one. This will be some details the boys here
will know, which is, again, background for this
one, which is during the Horus Heresy on the
world of Sotha, set during the Imperium Secundus
Giliman Sanguinis Lion Empire thing. the Pharos
device, which is I think on the planet Sotha.
Yeah, on the world of Sotha. This was thought
to be like an ancient Necron device, which allowed
traversal of space in an instant. It could act
like a lighthouse for like a beacon, similar
to the Astronomicon and the warp, but could shine
on other locations, which is interesting. This
was eventually destroyed by Barabas Dantioch
of the Iron Warriors, a loyalist. before people
say, to prevent the Night Lords, you know, Trace
Legion from taking it, slash, you know, appearing
on Terra, you know, great thing for Horus. This
destruction of this device was so great that
it created a little blip, a little, you know,
wow signal, as they say, in the warp. And it
was so strong that it caught the sight of, quote,
an endless hunger in the dark. We then, well,
this is not, this is even before here. When Sarek,
the silent king, post -war in heaven, he had
failed his people slash, you know, because of
guilt for what he had done to his people. He
would go on a self -imposed exile. But when we
say self -imposed, we mean he goes with a bunch
of his other guards because the man is like,
well, I'm still a king, you know. And for, quote,
millions of years, he traversed the void of space.
until he discovered a Hive Mind, an entity of
unending mass and malice that sought to consume
everything. And interesting enough with the Imperium
though, the first recorded contacts is in 771
M41, which is the planet Tyron, which would then
go on to name what would be the entities we know
as the Tyranids. And obviously We know that there
may be other instances, but I'll get to that
in a second. For what we perceive as the great
tendrils of this hive mind, they are invading
the Milky Way galaxy in the 41st millennium.
And they are not invading it from one side. It
is coming from every angle. are coming on from
the side. Some of them are coming from what would
be, I guess, the top or other parts of the Milky
Way galaxy. This is supposedly coming at the
Milky Way from all directions, which is, again,
hard to even imagine. If you think about the
size of a galaxy, it's almost incomprehensible.
It is theorized, though, at least, that there
may have been other instances of things like
earlier sightings of what would be tyranid bioform
so obviously the the main example being that
uh the uh kill team for uh death watch they obviously
came across gene stealers which obviously genesis
are the forerunners from the literal gene stealer
uh slash patriarchs and other invasive creatures
like leading the sort of you know initial you
know hunger hunger signals and hunger flags being
like over here you know the big the bigger the
play and landing signals and the thanks they're
coming from every angle guys thanks that's going
into the supercut um the there are other examples
which is i don't know if you guys thought this
maybe the some of the animals on katachan might
be like offshoot slash if if turners are not
connected to the hive mind they do become feral
and act like normal creatures um colin might
remember this though there's a buried uh part
of like a massive tyrannid beast buried in one
of the kyphos kane novels which is when they're
fighting uh the orcs oh yeah yeah it's this massive
underground tyrannid thing but i don't know if
it was a tyrannid Do you remember they say in
that story they thought it predated some of the
earlier incursions of Tyranids? They do say that,
yeah, it seems likely that it... It arrived before
the official naming of Tyranids. Yeah. It's very
possible that happened. Fenris? There must be.
There's things about specifically the Kraken
or other... creatures or offshoots so there's
even certain things where people theorize like
it may have like earlier like offshoots or like
certain things happened in thousands of years
even before like the main sort of hive fleets
have actually arrived uh my favorite detail which
is the fact that the swarm lord who uh is just
there to be beaten up by ultramarine apparently
um his weapons i said i might have to correct
me here eli they're said to be forged by like
like a metal or a crystal that's not like, crystalline
structure that's not possibly, like, it's not
possible to find it within the Milky Way. Yeah,
that is, that is, or although how they know that,
uh, I'm not so sure. Yeah, no one's studied it.
Have you checked every planet in the Milky Way
if this thing is on it? Yeah, that is, that is,
that is one thing. It's like, you know, the Imperium
controls a million worlds. That sounds very impressive,
but that's like, there's billions in the galaxy.
i do like that the lore says it comes from an
extra like other other galaxy other plane just
other galaxy i guess this is a lot of things
this comes like the big crux part which i uh
don't know what you guys think where do you believe
that the tyranids have well either the theories
like they consumed their own galaxy like so it
was like an organism that eventually evolved
into a hive mind there are other examples of
hive mind structures like things like um the
crave in the 40k verse which similarly have like
a hive mind but they have like other domineering
minds in like a hive mind structure they're like
minds connected whereas the tyranids are it is
a one central nervous system and then it has
you know mindless creatures within it not like
thinking creatures like the crave um i don't
know if the tyranids basically just consumed
their own galaxy or the fact that the tendrils
are coming from multiple different places that
it it implies like oh the turn is just consume
galaxies like galaxies multiple i don't know
how you guys like eli what do you think i i i
don't know i always subscribe to the theory that
they have been traveling around eating other
galaxies and now they're coming to earth i mean
the milky way but also like I don't know, maybe
that would imply that they're all over the place.
I don't know, they keep coming in bigger forces,
so they're supposed to be Vanguard forces. I'm
not entirely sure, because it's like, it doesn't
really make a lot of sense that they just keep
showing up with not enough to do the job, when
if they just showed up with everything around,
well, maybe they're busy doing other stuff. I
wonder if GW even knows. where their origins
are or if they even made origins for them but
is there um sorry like because i can't hear where
you are but i was just listening on my phone
is it what's your opinion on the idea that maybe
the tyranids have completely starved out all
the other galaxies have eaten out they've picked
it clean and now there's only one game left there's
only one buffet left to pinch from and that's
too hard way it's too hard to believe that because
they're all showing up at different times and
they're not showing up in a big enough amount
to imply that they've eaten everything else maybe
not everything but them showing up at different
times does help imply they've gotten more than
one just because it's going to take different
amounts of time to travel from different galaxies
especially but also then like if each if that
theory is the case then then in theory each high
fleet was consuming its own galaxy but like each
high fleet isn't even enough To get through more
than, like, a dozen planets in the Milky Way?
To get through than the single, like, ultramarines.
Yeah. I don't know, it's really... I don't know.
I like to think they've at least, they've gotten
a couple under their belt, but I don't believe
they've gotten all of the other galaxies. It's...
It's so complicated because GW will never let
the Tyranids win in any major conflict ever.
They will only destroy no -named planets with
no -named characters on them. The potential man
of 40k. If and when, but never will. It's always
implied that they're the strongest threat out
there, but they show up and they do scary things
and then they die. That's just how GW writes
factions. That's every faction that's come out
since the game began. The Tomb Kings were the
scariest. The Necrons were the scariest. The
Tyranids were the scariest. The League of Luton
currently have the most bestest technology. Give
it five minutes. They're going to make a new
Tau kit that's super Dark Age advanced. Yeah.
Tyranids are still number one in my mind. Tyranids
and then Necrons and then everything else. There's
an old sheet. Come on. There's an offshoot to
this theory, which is, which did the Hive, sorry,
the Zarak, the Silent King, essentially, where
did he encounter these? Because he clearly foresaw
the destruction of the Tyranids, but you can
only foresee the destruction of the Tyranids
actually consuming something. And if he was in
the void of space, it's just an endless hunger.
famously necron technology is not exactly uh
warp infused shall we say so not even they probably
don't even necessarily notice what would be the
equivalent of their um the hive mind creating
like a shadow in the warp um but there's an interesting
offshoot to this sort of uh theory underneath
it which is they obviously come from another
galaxy or slash you know or Either they were
part of the galaxy, left, and then it's come
back. I assume it's not that though. It comes
from another galaxy. The Tyranids, when they
arrived, were not familiar with fighting Chaos.
Or at least... It creates a shadow in the warp,
so the warp clearly exists in other... if there
are other galaxies or, you know, if the Tyranids
killed them, whatever. But they clearly did not
have to, either other galaxies are not full of
sentient life slash biomass enough to create
emotions that create things like warp entities
or, you know, there's nothing that chaos can
latch onto because the high fleets arriving later
have since had to adapt to fight chaos. I don't
know if anyone can pick up the specific high
fleet. Is it Kronos? No, I don't think it's Kronos.
No, it's not Tiamat. Is it Tiamat? Or is Tiamat
the one building that big tower? Someone in the
chat might be able to correct us. There's a specific
high fleet, I do believe, that works in tandem
with another one. Tiamat's the big tower. What
was that, Andy? Oh, I didn't get it. I didn't
hear Andy, sorry. Andy, speak! We're going to
have to wait a whole minute for it to... Was
it High Fleet Dagon? Maybe. I think Dagon was
that one that showed up during the Great Crusade.
I think it's Kronos. So, Kronos, correct me if
I'm wrong on the law, Kronos works in tandem
with either other tendrils of itself or other
High Fleets where... that one is specific chronos
is specifically designed to fight warp entities
which gives it which gives it no biomass and
therefore it other planets leave biomass available
for chronos to take later but it's interesting
like initially when i think it's stated in 40k
law when the tyrannos arrived into the milky
way they did not have high fleet chronos specialized
in this way because the attorneys can adapt That's
the thing, obviously, well -known, any environment,
anything. They adapt on the fly, but they didn't
come in prepared to fight warp entities. So therefore,
in other galaxies, there's not necessarily what
would have been the opposition. I mean, they
came in obviously looking like what modern Tyrianids
look like now. In some ways, they may have changed,
but they've got their standard form. But they
obviously... Either they had no idea. About necessarily
the idea of chaos. Perhaps. Does the hive mind
perceive chaos? Does it know? Well it notices
it. Because I think part of Kronos' lore. Is
that instead of fighting. Like hive fleets normally
do. If they encounter each other. Other hive
fleets will actually strip planets. And leave
it for Kronos. That's what I was saying. Because
demons aren't made out of food. They're made
out of psychic nothing. So. They have to perceive
it, especially because Kronos came about after
the Great Rift. They in some way have to be aware
of it. But they also know enough to create a
shadow in the warp effect. Because usually when
there's collective consciousness in Warhammer,
it actually creates more warp than it, you know,
it creates a more like a, it's like that thing
of like black holes or gravity. It creates like
a divot in real space. You know, the example
of the... the ball inside like the sheet and
it like bends it like that the same thing with
psychic anything with sentience it creates ripples
is why eldar create bigger ripples than humans
because they feel a lot i guess the hive mind
doesn't really feel a lot it just feels one thing
in a huge body it certainly felt hate after ariel
stabbed it it does feel hate as well it's interesting
because it went for the blood angels home world
missing other things because it wanted to kill
them specifically because it was stopping them
stopping it eating. That was Leviathan, I think.
Is it Leviathan for Siege of Baal? Yeah, that
was Leviathan. I can't remember. What is the
lore reason that taranted fleets don't just get
shot everywhere they go because they move quite
slowly through the warp? They can. I think they
make gravitational corridors that they are still
FTL. And it's real space FTL, so they don't go
through the warp. Because I think they've got
a thing called a narval that lets them do that.
Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. Sure. I guess. This is
crazy stuff. But it'd be interesting that they...
It means as a sort of side effect is they obviously...
The hive mind is aware of the warp. because it
creates a shadow in the warp and it knows that
from previous fights slash before it got to the
milky way you must create a shadow in the warp
to prevent things from using it to communicate
or other sense but it didn't have any concept
of chaos possibly which is an interesting theory
does it does it create because i've always read
it as just the shadow and the warp is just a
side effect of there being like so many billions
of like screaming beings all on the exact same
page that it's just like you can't get through
like the radio static they just oh so you think
it's a block rather than like i don't i don't
think the shadow and the warp is on purpose i
think when them making chronos is stronger was
on purpose but as i understand it the shadow
and the warp is just kind of a thing they cause
like it's not like not like a blank but rather
uh like a buzzing noise well yeah it's just because
like a tiered high fleet is full of you know
billions or more of creatures on the exact same
wavelength that just drowns out anything else.
It is vulnerable to the warp as well, as we saw
with the creation of the Great Rift that split
the galaxy in two. It literally reeled in pain
and it screamed. It had a couple of tear dits
as a snack when that happened, a couple of high
fleets. Yeah, and it cut tendrils in half even
at some points, which is interesting. But yeah,
interesting that... the we'd not again i don't
know if we'll ever know uh the mystery of where
they came from sash what their history was have
they killed you know entire galaxies or are they
simply just a parasite from other ones if we
get the horus heresy of the tyranids before any
war in heaven lore i'm gonna be deeply upset
there's there's also the classic that they're
they're running away from something even scarier
than the yeah well that they've Well done away
with that. That was like a one paragraph thing
that I don't think was even mentioned in the
OG Rogue Trader book. Just fan theory, that's
all. There was like one passage in something
official GW. It's been a while since I read it,
but there was like one small little hint, but
even then it was a maybe. Like it wasn't they
are, it was a could they be running from something?
I'm still not sure if anyone at GW actually knows
the answer to this question, if there is a real
answer. It was the same with what is the answer
of the Lost Primarchs. There isn't one, and there
never has been one. I wasn't going to use that
for this episode, though. But I'll say before
we get to the... You guys are good? I do have
one thing that I've always found funny as a possibility
for why the Tyranids, aside from the Shadow and
the Warp, didn't really have anything for Chaos.
It's because the warp's a reflection of, you
know, like, real space, right? Someone brought
it up. It's like, the reason could be, it's like,
yeah, every other galaxy is just infinitely nicer
than the Milky Way in 40K, so they didn't have
to worry about chaos gods, because nowhere else
is as much of a shithole as the Milky Way. I
guess it means that the chaos gods are almost,
despite being the warp, I guess, is only really
interested in the Milky Way. I mean, They have
to be, because if you leave the galaxy, the warp
becomes calm because there's no life forms, which
would then imply that Khorne very much has a
limit on how far he can reach. Because if the
warp was still a sea of mess, then he could,
you know, pluck you from outside there too. But
if it calms down, that's because, well, then
there can't be chaos. Because if there was chaos,
it wouldn't be calm. Unless the Tyranids ate
the other universes, so therefore there's no
more chaos there. Well, I guess we'll... We never
know, or maybe we will, but there doesn't seem
to be... They had to learn how to fight warp
entities, so I should evolve on the fly. They
didn't do it immediately. They didn't come in
with a plan, if you know what I mean. Or they
knew how to do it instantly. They had to learn.
The plan was hunger. Me hungry. It obviously
got annoying enough for them to specialize in
killing it, which is hilarious. I think before
we... i have one kind of bigger one i'd like
to finish up on uh andy if he can hear us at
this point again again people in the chat like
in the comment section please do put down some
mysteries if you are interested uh colin oh great
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over a really big rock, and that's where the
tier names came from. You think so? Yes. I want
to, come on, get silly with one more thing again,
GW. Just one more thing where it's like, where
did this come from? I found it in a rock. Okay,
I'm going to go to the last one here, which is,
I don't know if anybody else here, maybe Andy's
the only person who might have read this. This
is from, this hurts my soul because it's a cool
concept and then it's kind of flubbed in the
books, but this is from the Ahriman novels. This
is for the idea that has the mystery behind what
is called the pyrodomon. I'm not going to lie.
When I read these books. I hate the Ahriman novels.
Boo. I've just read Ahriman. Boo. They get progressively
like it's good and it gets progressively worse
as it goes on. But it's annoying because they
have so many cool concepts in it. I just hate
the way it's written specifically in these books.
Our story is set. I kind of don't know when it
is set. The Iron Man novels are really confusing.
But this is after the horror's heresy. Iron Man
has been in his long -imposed exile after the
first casting of the rubric. And he takes on
the sort of character called Horkos. And he sort
of lives as like a shadow of himself. His psychic
abilities have gone to waste. He's locked them
away in his little mind palace. I'm not joking,
he has a mind palace, because of course he does.
Because every memory is accessible to him. Yeah.
There was some Cthulhu game that had that, it's
like the plot keep track of device. It was cool
in a video game as an idea, but I don't know,
Erebin being able to magically visit all of his
memories. I can do that too. It's called I Don't
Have Alzheimer's. It's cool in the book because
he can access every... He opens a literal door
and he can recreate it perfectly. How many awkward
memories does he have to shuffle through to get
to what he wants? I need to find casting the
rubric, casting the rubric, that's Magnus in
the shower, casting the rubric. Magnus is slung
by accident. Caught in the side eye. To be fair,
he does have a habit of deleting memories. This
is a Spongebob episode. Yeah, he does have a
thing of... He does often revisit the ones with
his twin brother who ended up dying quite a lot.
And he speaks to him in the memories, but then
he's like... It always ends with, I know, man,
but you're a memory and you're gone. Oh, damn,
man. This is set after Ariman has kind of brought
his, you know, he takes over. He kills Amon from
Horus Heresy, who's like Magnus' foster father
figure, whatever, became a space marine, just
killed him. Takes over their group and eventually,
skipping along a lot of story parts, he will
cast his second rubric of Ariman. So he's like,
I understand. I did it wrong the first time.
I'm not giving up. You know, if I ever thought
about giving up on something, Ariman never gave
up. So I'm going to keep doing something. He
cast his second rubric of Ariman, which many
parts in the story, like it gets interrupted
with slash altered by Magnus in some way, or
like it, you know, it doesn't go well. Ariman
is completely distraught, except. one thing goes,
something's changed. They find out that he was
previously a rubric marine of Helio Isidorus.
He's been revived. He's no longer a rubric. He
has no idea where he's been. He doesn't know
what's happened. He's kind of like a shadow of
his former self in some way. But Ariman's like,
hope, hope again. But of course it goes wrong
because Zeench is fucking with this guy. So Ariman...
and his cabal, they provided Pelios Isidorus.
They're like, okay, the second rubric didn't
go super well. It was obviously interfered with
in some sense. But it's even worse than that
because Ironman and his cabal can no longer,
obviously with thousands of times like cults
and their magic, they often use visions, foresight.
There's a lot of themes in Ironman's books where
he essentially. is like, yes, I planned this
all along because I could see the future possibilities.
His famous thing is, I'm willing to do anything
to kill off other timelines. He's like, if I
burn a world here, that creates a timeline where
I get information for a new rubric of Iron Man.
So that's why he's evil. He's like, I'm willing
to do anything to, like a Farseer, alter the
future. And the problem is, is that they can
no longer see the future. None of them. They
have no idea why. They can no longer see the
future. Again, sipping over many details in this
book, they try again. The cabals all try. Irene
brings these lieutenants to try. They start getting
attacked in some sense, something's wrong. They
start to see a burning vision of the horizon,
like a horizon, like a flame is coming forth.
And there's this sort of... what's described
like an infection starts to take hold in different
sorcerers. They start to hear the rubric Marines
around them. They start to like whisper to them
and they start speaking and they start going,
brother, help me. I'm on fire. Like they start
begging for help and it gets like, oh, that's
getting weird. Some of them start to notice that
their eyes, obviously what would be like, it's
just for context of people, the first rubric
Iron Man turned all the. Thousand Sun's normal
Space Marines into, essentially, dust in their
armor, sealed in their armor. Except the armor
starts to have amber glowing eyes. They start
to glow amber, which is a bit weird. The Thousand
Sun fleet are being, like, they keep trying to
move on and, like, try and find, like, a solution
for this, seek more law to... undo whatever's
happening. They keep getting attacked by the
warp or something in the warp, not demons or
something even worse. They can't describe what
it is. Some of the Marines, sorcerers, are just
turning to dust, like on the floor, dust. Some
of the Rubric Marines, some of them are becoming
Rubric Marines. They just turn into what was
previously the first Rubric of Ironmen, which
is obviously not good. They make weird deals
with demons and other things to find out what's
going on. And they finally, something has given
birth to the name of whatever's happening. And
it's called the Pyridomon. And they discover
that this Pyridomon has, it's not a demon, but
it has a will. And they don't, again, this is
completely perplexing because they don't understand.
Basically the rubric of Ahriman, the ritual has
created something. And they basically end up
discovering that it's originating from Helio
Isidorus, which is the rubric marine guy who
was brought back to life again. Like what Yvraine
did, where she undid the curse of the rubric.
But the rubric of Iron Man, the second one, did
it wrong, or something was really wrong with
it. Helios begins to corrupt other marine. They
start attacking Thousand Suns fleets. They attack
one. What they do is the Ruben Marines almost
act more sentient, but the sorcerers are trying
to run away from them because they're terrified.
Because in all these, their brother's eyes are
like this amber glowing fire. And it's this,
Helios speaks to them being like, you will be
joined with us. You will become one of us. And
it declares it will unify them in this perfect
undeath, unlife -like harmony. And again, it's
described like an infection. It could be a warp
entity, possibly, or it's in some way its own
thing. It is warp -like power, but it is, again,
no demon. We're not sure. We see weird parts
in the story where there's a dimension. of the
rubric so like there's like the soldiers all
lined up and it's like really strange and if
you stay in that place that's what like led to
the infection so possibly the second rubric of
ironman created a dimension of the power of what
it was to be a rubric and again like dust like
statues it leads to the most annoying part of
what is the fifth book where Ironman is fighting
against another Necron overlord. They're seeking
this device where its power is that it doesn't
send people back in time. You can send your memory
back in time. So you can send your mind back
in time in yourself. And both the Necron Lord
and Ironman are fighting against each other to
seize it. The Necron Lord does eventually succumb
to the Flayer virus, like a random side note
in the book was interesting. And there are demons
that hunt this thing as well. It gets funky because
essentially the cabal of Iron Man and all their
thousand sons, they are dying because they're
being overtaken by corruption. The amber glowing
rubrics, they're taking other soldiers and they're
like, look into my eyes, brother, and we will
unite you in perfect harmony. And it's really
creepy. Ironman eventually able to like he retreats
into his own mind and becomes like his alter
ego which was Horkos like the weird other thing
he was before to protect his own mind from the
invasion and it's again it's really convoluted
I'm not doing it perfectly but he's able to get
into this device Ironman and he sends he he debates
for a second do I send my mind back to the horror's
heresy which is interesting but he doesn't he
chooses not to in the end which i really hate
that john french put in there because like obviously
he would do that obviously he would do that but
um because then he'd be like magnus you dick
you know you know because he hates magnus uh
which is utterly justified he's able to send
his mind back to after the second rubric of ironman
and he utterly obliterates helios's soul because
helios is whatever happened to helios it was
the creation I'm of the opinion, I'll share in
a second, but essentially he obliterates, he
lost his soul and he makes it so that whatever
thing created this doesn't spread throughout
his legion. But this thing has been born, this
pyrodomon, and it's now going to always exist
as a warp entity. And obviously it's very much
a danger for the future of the Thousand Suns.
I don't know if you guys will be of the opinion,
like, is this? Is this Zeech, basically? Just
being like, yeah. He might be. He seems to get
trolled by Zeech quite a lot. He also doesn't
seem to need Zeech to step in for him to ruin
his own life, though. I don't know. I think Zeech
has been doing a perfectly fine job of just giving
Eramin a shovel and letting him dig the hole
all by himself. I think, yeah, because... particularly
in this he's not he's kind of utterly powerless
to fight it and he has to rely on this device
to essentially undo his own work and he kills
he basically kills the only marine he's ever
managed to bring back from the rubric environment
which obviously he's he and then he has to go
in his own mind palace and he literally like
burns the memory of helio isadoris so that he
can never be tempted slash you know ever think
about you know to doing something similar like
that again but you know he's gonna try again
because he's ironman it's quite funny because
i'm gonna go back in time then in some sense
which again it like erases the fourth and fifth
book which i find really annoying but i you know
but the he's gone back in time and like all the
other thousands are like oh man he's like failed
the second rubric and he just and he just waltzes
out the room being like come on guys let's try
again and they're like okay you know they're
like he's gonna be you know like oh he's gonna
be so upset he's gonna be like this is disastrous
i failed again and will was gonna give up now
but he's like come on guys he's like a you know
my chip on his shoulder he's all good because
he doesn't understand that he's failing because
he raised his own memory about his own failure
so yeah amazingly weird uh but completely like
where is this like there's like a sub realm of
what is the rubric of Ironman? There's a hole
of dust in some sense for the dead and the thing.
I think there's weird details in that. I might
be misremembering some things, but it is a really...
I don't think it's as good as some of the other
ones on this list, but it's a really interesting
one that most people probably don't know because
no one else has tortured themselves to get far
enough into the Ironman books for this one. I
feel like we're running out of the Thousand Suns.
It's probably more like the 376 Sons at this
point. Well, they do recruit, to be fair. They
do recruit. Yeah, they do every now and again.
Like Ariman's books, one of his right -hand men
is Asterius, I think his name is. He's from a
Space Marine chapter that was declared heretical
by the Inquisition, and he ends up joining the
Thousand Sons warband. And even in Ironman's
novel, they show you the warband, loads of sorcerers
or self -seeking or other creatures eventually
just join the cabal. The Thousand Sons are the
cool guys. That is absolutely what they tell
themselves. They're the ones where they're clearly
more powerful than everyone else. So they hold
to their own. What is this immense cope? no as
in like even no literally in the books like other
because of the first rubric of ironman they're
all empowered anyway um but and they're clearly
much more skilled than what is like a 41st millennium
you know renegade librarian in some sense you
just mean like specifically in psycher terms
yeah as in like they don't they don't think they're
cooler than them as in they literally are like
They obviously are more powerful than them. And
so therefore they are used as like underlings.
There's a few of like the war bands, like some
of them had like silvery armor and they're like
a bit more, you know, ravenous and idiotic. And
the other, one of the, Ignis maybe, one of the
scenes is like, yeah, you're an idiot or something.
I can't remember the exact scene. It's been a
hot minute since I read it, but they are very
much. Other renegades are perceived on a lower
tier compared to the other. You know, Ariman
wants true Thousand Suns on his group. I think
that, though, is kind of my last... As in, for
this episode of Mysteries, that's the last kind
of one of, you know, where are they going with
that? Will they use it again? How the hell did
that even come about? I'll ask particularly for
the boys here. Which ones do you think are...
i guess more interesting to you or what would
be more solvable just going through it's like
enunciate the city of dust uh the artifact which
was the kappa mu and the world of promedee for
the eisenhorn one like the oily black city or
the tyranids or the promedee one i don't know
if you had any particular thoughts or and in
the chat as well you had any interesting insights
to add city of dust and the dark king uh are
the coolest me thanks uh it seems like those
are getting the most those have gotten the most
work put into them yeah particularly again the
end and the death one is quite nice like what
is like the end of horror's heresy law is then
very much intrinsically tied into what is like
the again a big ongoing 40k plot line and it's
not just like okay and then that happened then
we forget about it you know i think um i do like
the idea that dark i think the dark king thing
should be left alone for a while because that
is like quite cool horrors heresy teacher terror
stuff but city of dust though i do love me some
hasta anything like that but again my channel
name you know the amber king obviously is a literal
offshoot from that story uh well there's many
different short stories of the king in yellow
but uh i don't know where we'll go with that
do you think this is the big question though
do you think some mysteries in 40k should never
be solved. Oh yeah, definitely. Absolutely. Do
you think they would ever... Would you prefer
they never give any more lore about the missing
Primarchs? I mean, I could care less about them,
to be honest. I think they should never touch
the lost Primarchs. They're there so that you
can make your own fan chat. That was their point.
They were inspired by Roman legions. So you've
got, you know, they're the Teteberg destroyed
legions. GW didn't consider, like, and I don't
blame them for it because this was early 40K.
They didn't consider the implications of destroying
two of the OGs and saying they were worse than
the heresy. Like, they just didn't consider how
influent, like, what that would mean. And so
now anyone who tries to make their own homebrew
like Primark and Lost Legion is... obviously
going to be laughed out of the game store, but
that was their point. It's to leave stuff open
for homebrew. Answering that mystery not only
ruins the fun of talking about the mystery, but
it would be yet another kick in the face to people
who like to make their own stories up and stuff
for fun like that. GW, I think, has delivered
plenty of those enough already with the 70 trillion
heresy books. The frickin' Farsight mystery should
have never been touched. It should have been
left out forever. and phil kelly completely butchered
it the whole they like whole thing where is why
did farsight really leave the town we we don't
know but actually it's just chaos is real and
the ethereals didn't tell us about it so i'm
gonna make my own faction now stupid it's i mean
it's i the whole something that i always thought
Going in was quite nice and fun. 40 K was everything
like from the past was myth and legend. And we
have the barest of ideas. And the more they keep
explaining these mysteries and ideas, 40 K keeps
losing so much mystique. There's not, there's
not, there's not so much knowledge that was forgotten
in the last 10 ,000 years. It turns out we actually,
we actually have new stuff all the time. It turns
out it's, it's, and I, I would just please stop
explaining things, please. I like the mystery.
Do you have any particular mysteries you can
think of that are for you to more, you know,
please don't touch that one with a 10 foot barge
pole or something. Lost Primarchs. I guess it
was the Terminus Decree, but I'm really not that
passionate about that one. So that's made me
go, eh. Not to get into a topic of it, but creation
of custodies. Please leave that always to be
a mystery. I don't know how you can explain that.
Not to go to that topic any further, because
that's a bloody minefield. I only thought they
would just... I mean, I guess the specifics of
it, yeah. Not like how a space marine is made.
It's not nearly that detailed. I can think of
other ones, which is... Put magical emperor juice
in you. Yeah, he's calm, literally like us. More
times merch. More times merch, guys. Detail that
out. Again, I saved it for another episode if
we have to do another episode of Mysteries, which
is the Rangdan Xenocides. That would be one.
I don't know. I don't know if I would mind. I
made her back and forth. It's cool. I only want
an unknown because some of those little tidbits
that I'm fine with them dropping about the Lost
Primarchs involve that. So if you explain the
Rangden, well, you're going to explain those
kind of inherently, and I really don't want them
to do that. But at the same time, the Rangden
were also like the Great Crusades version of
the Punic Wars. And God, that sounds really interesting
to learn about. Like, this was the Carthage to
the Imperium. Because there's a decent amount
of connections where you can make that comparison.
So I'm really interested in that, but then the
Lost Primarchs are there, and I'm like, I don't
want to learn about you. I want to know nothing
about you beyond, like, Fulgrim every now and
again saying the second was a boring asshole.
Stop it at that. There's also, like, the Flare
Virus and the Destroyer Virus. I don't really
know how I felt about them making, like, the
Ghost Wind and stuff in Twice Dead King. I don't
know if that was really what we needed, but it
was something, I guess. Are there any big, like,
Eldar mysteries, Eli? I mean, Illich Nightspear
knows, like, the knowledge of the universe and
read some wacky book and knows something that
none of us do and his entire life is dependent
on the survival of the Eldar species. Yeah. Oh,
don't tell me what's in Kegorak's book. I don't
want to know. How to get into the Black Library.
Oh, well, I mean... Well, no, where the Black
Library is. Follow Eramin and do the opposite
of what he does. The Tau and the Ethereals are
also a mystery, like the rapid evolution or advancement,
whatever, of the Tau. And the whole Ethereals
arriving, are they actually part of the original
Tau species, or are they aliens, or did they
make the Tau? Because all you saw was flashing
lights, and then the Ethereals unified the Tau
in one night. That's what the Farsight mystery
was supposed to be about. Some people were saying
wacky things like, the Eldar made the Tau, and
whatever, whatever. I'd rather we have wacky
fan theories than a freaking Phil Kelly Farsight
book. Do you have a theory about the Tau Ethereals,
Eli? I don't know. I haven't really thought about
it that much. I think they're cool, and they
deserve their place of authority, and I like
them. Stop thinking. I think the bite control
thing is funny, but I think the only proper source
for that was a single xenobiologist book, and
even in that book, that's just their best guess
for why the Tau listened to the Ethereals. because
they cannot understand the idea of someone following
an authority figure willingly the far side books
don't even explain it they just say oh alva has
mind control and he makes you kill yourself so
so stupid you know that's kind of funny does
the lightning come with it i think one is i think
of is i still blackstone fortresses because there's
some hints isn't there colin To Blackstone Fortresses.
Yeah, I don't know. Those aren't, like... They're
not Eldar, though. But they think they are, sometimes.
I mean, those aren't a big enough thing. I mean,
I guess saying that they did blow up Cadia, but
I don't know. Blackstone Fortresses, like, it's
just a fancy piece of tech. Like, I wouldn't
mind if that's revealed, because it's not...
Because even if they do reveal exactly where
it came from, no one's going to be able to make
it anymore. Be it an old one's weapon, well,
they're gone. or an ancient Eldar weapon, well,
they don't use their super weapons anymore. And
they can't make most of them anyways, so it doesn't
really... If that was revealed, I'd be like,
eh. Supposedly Blackstone Fortresses, because
obviously they're considered great looting grounds,
there are Xenos species that are long dead in
the universe, but they still have roaming bands
inside of Blackstone Fortresses. Yeah, they're
just hanging out in there. Which is weird. I
mean, that'd be cool. More stuff like that I
would honestly like to see explored. I would
like more minor Xenos. Dutch says, also just
simply, where did the Emperor come from or his
actual origin? I hope GW never answer that. Be
it the Shaman thing or whatever. They've already
revealed too much Emperor lore for my liking,
personally. and then they would go back on it
and then they would un -go back on it and they
would un -un -go back on it and Jesus Christ,
50 different people wrote this series. When all
the Emperor lore was convoluted and a bunch of
people said random things that didn't connect
and so there was no real answer and it was just
people saying stuff. There's too much backstory
for them now. Go back to OG first edition Rogue
Trader lore. Where'd the Emperor come from? Who
knows? Do we remember what he did? Only he does
and that's amazing. yeah this is gonna get into
that weird place like there used to be it said
back in the day like again like early whatever
like 2000s people were quite upset that they
were actually going to explore the horror's heresy
yeah maybe a controversial opinion I don't think
it'd be that big of a deal if the horse heresy
was never explored. I don't blame them for that
opinion because it was the time of legend. And
when you explain the legend, you can only go
down. You may not go down a lot. There is good
heresy stuff, but you can only go down. It's
the same reason like the moment you show the
monster in a horror movie, it's infinitely less
scary because anything you come up with in your
mind. is going to be infinitely better than what's
delivered 99 out of 100 times. But I wonder then
if it's like, oh, getting Dutch as I remember
when Leman Russ was a girl. No, dude, Leman Russ,
I was looking at it. I was reading for a video,
OG Rogue Trader. You can find it as a free PDF
online. Leman Russ was just a Space Marine commander.
Not a chapter master, a commander who was instrumental
in founding the Space Wolves. God, that's some
bold stuff. I think, I don't know, because it's
one of those things where there's no horror -terrorism
law. I don't know. I always thought it would
end up basically, oh, here's another Space Marine
book set in the 41st millennium, and that's it,
guys. Okay, here's another Space Marine book
set in the 30th millennium. As in, I don't know,
it's a new... It's a new dimension to it. Warhammer's
changed so much because the old point was it's
a playground for all the stories and everything.
Don't move past. The clock was always a minute
to midnight. Don't move past it. It's weird,
man. It's a different vibe. I understand why
people like it, and it is cool to see a moving
storyline. But the point of it was you had 10
,000 years of history to make up your own stories
with and have fun with your friends. And authors
also... I know most of the books were in the
41st millennium, but authors could go back in
time to whenever. They just didn't. Where would
you like to see more? You want war in heaven,
don't you? Even other than war in heaven, I don't
want nearly as much war in heaven as we have
Horus Heresy. Do not explain it nearly as much.
One or two books would be cool. That's it. but
i would there's even so much just the imperium
era there's some called the war of the lost primark
what do we know about it nothing was an actual
primark involved or false primark was the real
one no probably not from the name but then there's
knowing about it ruining the mystery of it yeah
but we don't need to explain the whole thing
just give us more detail than it existed It's
like there are 10 ,000 years, almost as long
as we've been farming in real life worth of things
to explore and talk about, not explain, just
look at it a bit. There's something called the
nightmare engines of the pale wasting. That sounds
like the coolest shit ever. What do we have about
it? It's some Marine chapters beat it. Thanks.
Thanks. That's it. That's all we get. Yeah. And
I mean like, even like even stuff like the, uh,
like gode van dyre and the creation of the sisters
and stuff that's just codex lore isn't it they
don't actually have any books there's no novels
of that specific time period it's just random
little blurbs i'm pretty sure which is really
weird you would think that there'd be novels
about stuff like that with a weird sense would
it be really weird if i was like like if i had
to get rid of one i don't know if i what would
i would i don't honestly don't know if i would
choose between the heresy or 40k was like i really
put down to it because i'm like if i was someone
who was like i didn't know anything about warhammer
okay say i don't know anything about warhammer
and i wanted to read a novel series there's one
that's much more cohesive in a sense and i know
what i'm getting and i would like it that's because
the 40k has a series maybe like the 40k novels
is the weird part like that's like the whole
point is like that's the that's the heresy is
the is the context to the flavor that is 40k
i honestly don't know if i could choose between
the two if i had to shoot i don't know if it's
easy i didn't want all this context bro loves
space marines bro loves space marines it's warhammer
what do you think it really is like saying you
like star wars but you hate sith and jedi it
would be like saying that which is fair which
is fair it's not like saying that i can prove
it's not like saying that because i've read rogue
trainer like taking one part of star wars where
it's just jedi and sith fighting and saying i'd
rather have that than the rest of star wars That's
closer to saying, like, you don't like the Old
Republic, so you hate Luke Skywalker. Because
there's too many Jedi and Sith, so therefore
you hate... I don't hate Space Marines! I hate
when they get 80 bucks! Andy Wood, please. Andy,
I need two. Let's all get a minute of silence.
Because I know I'm not in the minority. Everyone
likes Space Marine. You are absolutely in the
minority! No way! The majority of people would
get rid of 40k for just 30k. There's no way!
No, I don't know. I don't think I could choose
between the two. They're even for me. I like
both equally. I think you're an outlier. I think
that's a very rare opinion. I think it's a rare
opinion and I think that's a problem. I'm allowed
to. I like Space Marines. Andy, would you get
rid of 40k so that you could have only 30k if
you had to choose one? It's really tough though.
Give him a minute. We gotta give him a minute.
I don't know how this is hard. I would not pick
one or the other. We need both. It's a safe answer,
but that's fine. It would honestly be wrong,
but it's fine. It's difficult because, again,
we're speaking to two guys here who are in the
minority in the sense that they'd like Xenos
lore more than the Space Marines. But we have
Space Marines in 40k too. You can easily have
them. I know, but as in, I'm saying I'm obviously
a heresy enjoyer. 40k was made to make 40k better.
40k was not made to make 30k better. Hey man,
listen, as someone who's particularly like, we're
speaking about something, this is like speaking
about a cinema. It's like speaking about Lord
of the Rings, Colin has not seen the movies.
I have! I've only not seen the last one now.
Oh, you've been reading? Okay. That's crazy.
I've read The Horror's Heresy, so therefore I'm
speaking in the sense of, as someone who's read
it, I clearly like it. I clearly like a 50 book
series that I've read. I like the 40K novels,
but again, I'm talking about as a collection
of a whole, I'm much more in the sense of a...
cohes like there's people who play tabletop some
people clearly like horror's heresy playing tabletop
more than they like 40k playing tether it says
i like horror's heresy law ever so slightly more
because first of all i do like xenos stuff but
it's obviously i like space again i just like
the hair is horror's heresy at all because it's
so much more of a cohesive story that i've enjoyed
throughout an entire series like particularly
for me I've gotten to the end and the death.
And like, you can imagine the payoff for me.
Thanks. No, but you guys, you guys, you guys
can see it in the sense of like, for me, like
that's like a 60, whatever book series. That's
like, for me from Horus rising to the end and
the death volume three, like that's an incredible
thing. I went through 40 K is almost, it's very
much like a, I like bits of it. and there's lots
of bit which is like no offense there's a few
is in there in fact there's quite a few is in
there the few is in the horus heresy as well
i'm not gonna lie 40k is a setting and horus
heresy is one story yeah which is why i like
40k more i like it more when it's a setting and
there's so much you know more out there and you
get little glimpses of it yeah again i obviously
very much love i literally work around them yeah
Again, I just... I do like both. Either way,
I've just accepted I'm permanently in the minority
of Warhammer in everything. Maybe, again, to
be fair, the most played factions recently are
World Eaters and other things. And then Space
Marines was, for the first few times, not the
most played faction. Isn't it? The most played
faction is World Eaters. I know what you mean.
Codex, like normal Imperial loyalist space fans.
I know what you mean, but no one's playing World
Eaters for the demon allies. But again, I'm not
going to, you can't knock, again, how many Horus
Heresy books have you guys read? A grand total
of one in full. Like 20 and it feels like I've
barely read any. Yeah, as in, again, it's the
same as like, if you had if you read you know
one day if you end up reading the collective
of it you will look perhaps like me you'll look
back at the whole thing of it and be like that
i i enjoy that package that's the case with any
good story though like it's not just i'm never
saying like i all jokes aside i don't think it's
like an inherently like it sucks as a series
i don't think like it's like it's poorly written
Like overall, obviously, like you said, there's
some stinkers like the, what is it? Battle of
the Abyss. I don't think I've heard a single
human being say nice words about that book other
than the funny world eater that lives in the
walls. I think other than that guy, no one has
said anything nice about that book. Anything
Nick Kime has touched. Yeah. But he's touched
a lot of 40K books as well. It's just like, I
like just conceptually, I don't like what the
heresy is about on multiple different levels.
It would be like, it's like, If someone doesn't
like fish, it doesn't matter if they go, they
get the finest of lobster and salmon meals. They
don't like fish. Yeah, I mean, that makes, again,
we're not like trying to divide up people, but
as in, if I had to have a gun to my head and
choose, if I had to have a gun to my head and
choose though, it would only eke out, like 30k
would eke out just before because I've genuinely
invested more and I've read. obviously a lot
of the warmer books but i've read the heresy
as a collective and that as a collective if i
put and against the collective of 40k i'm like
oh you know just a tiniest smidge on that again
i again thing is with 40k i just pick and choose
elements i like whereas the heresy i enjoy as
the whole in some sense despite the stinkers
you know There are many people in chat that I
can't tell whose side they're on. That one, I
know who that one is pointed at. And yeah, unfortunately,
that's just everyone in Warhammer. We are grown
men talking about plastic toys. I don't know
where that's going. Andy, I think we might need
the last of the donations. There's someone, where's
the other one? Someone just said this is worse
than 1P shills. I don't know who you're talking
about, sir. I assume Hal. We haven't done the
question of the week. So what I have an idea
for is if I read out the donos, then I pass it
on to you guys. And we'll give you the question
of the week. Can you give me a thumbs up if you
think that sounds like a good idea so I can see?
Cool. So I'll go through the donos quickly, and
then someone can take over from me with the question
of the week. I don't know if someone's checked
the last question of the week, but then I think
that way. That might be a good way of doing this,
because right now I am on delay. And also, I've
been told by a source who the lost Primarchs
are, according to an insider. So now I know.
Well, if that's true, then I wish that insider
bricks to brain. First donation. First donation.
We have Persuasive Wink for 10. Colin, don't
let Hal tell you not to run Avatar of Kain. An
AOS list of 14 Avatars of Kain went 4 -1 in a
GT. Wow. Disgusting. 10 million more murder games.
What's the over -under on Fulgrim Snorting a
Rubric? 100 % he did that. Surely at least once.
surely at least once out of curiosity uh xenon
hello i'd love to see more shiz set in the ghoul
stars i was thinking about that too good and
the freaking bone kingdom glad to see colin made
his bed i'm on an air i don't care i also i like
how i'm also like lip reading to see if like
can i shoot Oh, dear. 8J for 5. What the Emperor
was doing during the Dark Age of Trek and why?
A full book on the war with Men of Iron. Why
Emperor didn't get a single SEC. Also, just backtracking
slightly, the one thing I don't want to ever
be revealed is what the hell's up with the Watchers
in the Dark? I love them. They're little gooby
fellas. They should be funny little Jawas that
move through time. Or whatever they do. Tyboros
girth maxing out awake. For five, I want two
or three Thunder Warriors books to entice us
more on uni wars and space police brutality.
Flay Howl's balls for his takes. I wouldn't mind
more unification war. Where's the last question
of the week? 30k vehicle models are better than
the 40k ones. I don't like the graph tanks that
the space marines have. I've got to be honest.
I think they're a bit too... Primaris are bad.
Primaris are poo -poo. Most 40k vehicles are
pretty similar. It's like that thing in the inverse
with episode 9, where it's like, why are the
stormtroopers on, like, treaded bikes, not floaty
ones? They fly now. They fly now? They fly now.
Adam Apple. But to the mystery of Colin's extreme
sexiness. Hey, that's not mysterious, that shit.
Shout out to the man who said I had the metrosexual
beard. Don't know what to do with that one. And
the last one, Raw666 for Tim. One mystery I want
to remain a myth for now is the events of War
in Heaven. With the way GW is writing, I worry
they ruin the settings and somehow make it...
war against chaos. That sounds about right. I
won't mind war in heaven staying in my isolation
chamber. I just like one or two books. It would
be nice to have a book with a ton of history
on it, even if it's not the POV. It doesn't need
to be. Just like a codex version. There's at
least a little bit of info on it, to be fair.
Maybe it's just a little bit extra. I would really
like them to do things with the other Catan that
are still in the galaxy, the shards and stuff,
and also the full Catan that is still in the
galaxy. Oh yeah, the Outsider, right? It's just
outside. Yeah. We got another Dono. uh anything
you raw 66 10 dollars thank you very much joke
the one mystery i want answer right now is if
the next new companion in the next rogue trader
game is going to be a necron uh that would be
that'd be unbelievable coming from from a necron
fan i would as a as a necron i would never work
with a human i i would never work with a human
no they can do it right do it like you know he's
He's not working for them. He's there with his
underlings. It would have to be a wacky noble
of some sort or a triumviratorian. I think it
would be so unbelievably fun. Fuck, who's Necron
Dementia Man? I'm forgetting. Or Trazen. No,
not Trazen. Zandrick? Yeah, dude, that'd be funny.
He would work with someone. I think that would
be so fucking funny if he was part of your party.
Sounds like necracy. Oh, God. More like a crypt
tech working with an ad mech. That would be interesting.
There could certainly be an alliance of desperation
or something. It could happen. You could do anything.
It's a whole galaxy. There is surely one Necron
out there willing to hang around the infinite
money device that is a rogue trader. Eli or Colin,
did you have any of the previous questions of
the week? That's from the Navy one, right? We're
a bit behind. Yeah. I thought so. Yeah. I do
have some, yes. It's what Navy would you like
to be in? You know, Warhammer or not. We've got
Donkey Man USA first up. Hashtag in the Navy.
The UNSC Navy, solely because every UNSC ship
has a banger of a name. Pillar of Autumn, two
for flinching, hazard pay, they all go hard.
The ship name's in Halo. Someone was cooking
with straight fire. Yeah, that's a good one.
I like that one. Swift Paints. Solid name. I'd
be a Norn Queen leading the Hive Fleet. Exploring
new alien worlds. Using their organisms to create
new and terrifying bioforms. Slowly splitting
my influence and consuming biosphere after biosphere.
The galactic equivalent of plants versus zombies.
I think that's really funny. I'd be ignored.
I was ready for that one. I'll get two more.
Dusan Madzaravik. I would like to be a Necron
Admiral during the war in heaven so I can personally
inflict as much death and destruction on the
space elves as possible. You know what? That's
fine. There's one faction allowed to have a real
rivalry with the Eldar. It's the Necrons. Two
big boys of the galaxy. Yeah, when are you two
starting your Xenos podcast channel, by the way?
When is this happening? Give it a few more Horus
Heresy rants. Three episodes. Give it maybe 20
more Eldar books. Only 10 more Necron books needed.
And this book sucked. And this book sucked too.
And this book sucked a little bit less. Thanks
for coming. And then last but not least, DJ Beast.
Not many people will agree, but I would want
to be an Admiral in One Piece. First of all,
I have a bad enough moral character that I would
fit right in. Next I will have a bunch of people
power scaling me to infinity with the glaze while
I'm just some jobber. Last reason I would goon
so much the seas would become white. Colin will
understand this. That's crazy. That's crazy.
Hashtag the seaman. The shit. No, it was hashtag
in the navy. Also, shout out to TazBSX who just
said Manchester Mention. I love that shop. Manchester
Mentioned. I yearn for the day the inhabitants
of Manchester learn to speak English. I'm going
to Manchester tomorrow, actually. They speak
Lovecraft there. You'll fit right in, Hal. Yeah,
I say some weird things. For the next question
of the week, guys, we have one that's pretty
on theme for our Halloween episode, which is
what genuinely terrifies you in Warhammer? Is
it under hashtag fear? What generally obviously
terrifies Eli is someone who would choose heresy
over 40k if it had gone to their head, apparently.
God forbid he likes that. No words terrify me
more than Gav Thorpe Eldar story. I hear a one
-winged angel playing. I get terrified of the...
I can't remember where I read it from. It's the
guy in one of the Huron Blackheart, maybe it's
a short story or something, where one of the
guys gets put behind his throne and he gets put
into this device which is like a life support
and he can't move. Is that Abaddon? Who did that?
No, that's the Epidemius, I think. That's when
he attached his psyches. This is one where the
guy's just put behind Huron's throne, I think,
and he's put into a life support tube down his
neck. He can't move, and he's just stuck there.
He'll never die because he's a space marine.
He won't basically age slowly. He's on life support.
He can breathe. He won't need to eat. He's just
stuck there with his own mind in the darkness.
which is, if anyone can imagine that, he can't
hear, he can't speak, he can't smell anything.
It's just the void of nothing, and he has his
own madness. So that's terrifying. Yeah, one
of the probably worst fates, other than whatever
Epidemius, I think it was Epidemius, the Grey
Knight, he did that too. Yeah. I think it is.
One of the Grey Knight grandmasters and their
founders. Yeah, that's bad, that one as well.
Colin? pox walker would the pox walkers would
probably be my pick because it's a i mean it's
zombie apocalypse but you also have locked in
syndrome in your own body while it goes to murder
people is it like um like that just sounds awful
on every level it's like 28 years later like
this is gonna get caught girl you know yeah it's
like the you know 28 you know the later series
but you're fully conscious while your body is
beating your friends to death like that's just
horrific mandrakes are scary i think mandrakes
are scary and they're another cool mystery the
dreadnought too would probably let's be honest
a dread being becoming a dreadnought would be
awful like no thank you just put me down i know
only in death does duty end but can we expedite
that where is it from with the robotic voice
that was like i feel cold who says that Is that
from Doctor Who or something like that? I can't
remember. Someone made a fan comic where a Wraith
Lord and a Dreadnought are talking to each other
and they're both just kind of miserable, which
is a fun fan comic, but sad fun. Well, I hope
everyone enjoyed these mysteries. We've got a
Halloween episode next week on more scary stuff.
But this one was more of a... unsolved mysteries
episode. I hope everyone enjoyed the selection.
I didn't choose all the obvious ones, so give
me another one. I saved Rangdan, I saved Lost
Primarchs, all that good stuff. I've chosen some
topics I think maybe not everyone would know
about and some ones that are quite fun. Hopefully
everyone enjoyed that episode. The little rant
at the end. Rage. We do clearly... As again,
me and Andy literally started a podcast channel
called Lodgecast, reading every single Horrors
Heresy book, so you know exactly how I feel about
it. Hopefully everyone enjoyed that, and then
we'll see you guys very, very soon on next week's
episode. Hope you all enjoy, and do check out
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