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folks it's law crimes and we are always on time

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and we are never late hello everybody can i uh

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before we make the introduction shout out to

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like the 40 people who've accused me of like

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gooning the entire time i did well i mean i didn't

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know what you were doing while i held up this

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podcast so oh it was but it's fine like because

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it's it's the fact that we stopped we're fine

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We can't see Hal's hands, all I'm saying. But

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yeah, hello everybody. Welcome back to Law Crimes.

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And we've got a special guest today. Who's this?

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It's a man. Who are you? Why are you? Some would

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say a man. Some would say someone who had an

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internet technician exactly when this stream

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was supposed to start and held you all up about,

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oh, I don't know, 31 minutes. um some would say

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many things of that nature but uh i'm very happy

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to be here as well it's uh it's good to as i've

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met the gang piecemeal over the course of the

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last couple of months it's nice to have everyone

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in one room again we're all here it wouldn't

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be a law crime stream without yeah i had to show

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up to one of my phone because the router unplugged

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five minutes into the stream so is that edward

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cullen team edward team edward wow shout out

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to the twilight series who i have been re -watching

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recently i want to do a twilight movie night

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in the law crimes discord i am yearning for it

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Wait, hold on. What's our swearing policy on

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this? Oh, fire away. Okay, dude, that fucks,

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man. We should do that. Can you invite me and

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DK to that? Never mind. Never mind. I take it

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back. No swearing. Get off. Today, folks, we

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are doing a tier list about many different factions

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of 40K, and here are the rules. We are ranking

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based on the lore representation for each of

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these factions. Yes, I know. There's a lot of

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space. marines here but just remember they have

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the lion's share of the law um thank you so they're

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all dark angels is what you're trying to say

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here boys yeah yeah yeah the lions show up gang

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signs and stuff like that i think uh do you think

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the fallen have like like crypts game sign gang

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signs the dark angels have like blood gaining

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signs i think the fallen whisper uncomfortably

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close to your ear each time they speak i just

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think they uh they fly on discomfort No, not

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my boy Zabriel. There's no way. It's not possible.

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He could do no wrong. We should say that we obviously,

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this is, there's going to be fights in this one

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because we all have differing opinions. The leagues

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of Otana are in this one. There's going to be

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a fight automatically. I'm ready to throw down.

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Cheers, Bricky. Bricky has the, I believe Bricky

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has a concoction that was. mentioned in the ad

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-rec episode that Colin was on. Hold on, I have

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the perfect sound effect of this, Ricky. Hold

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on. I wouldn't be able to hear it. Oh, thank

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you. Is that what I think it is? No, it's not.

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Damn. It's just water with orange Miro in it.

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That's it. He died as he lived. He just made

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me laugh halfway through because I knew what

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you were thinking when you said it. What I'm

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thinking? Please. Hold on. Hold on. Remind me

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again. Remind me of the concoction combination

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again. Corona Light Fireball and Monster Energy

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Zero Ultra. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Okay.

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Corona Light Monster energy zero ultra and fireball

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can can you please door dash me these items asap

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don't ask why don't ask questions just consume

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more i was halfway through this halfway through

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this podcast i will be having a good time enjoy

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that drink and then give it to someone you hate

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Well, to be honest, I think this is probably

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a record for killing Bricky in the first 10 minutes.

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That was quite phenomenal. As soon as we started.

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We're all in the Discord right now, apparently.

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Discord is what? Check out our Discord. So let's

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get this cracking. These are in number order

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for the first 20 chapters or 18 of them. Let's

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start off with the Dark Angels. The Angles. Morning

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Angle. Well, we're just getting right into it

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then, huh? No foreplay, no nothing? No foreplay,

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no raw dog. I've got to be honest, Horus Heresy

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doesn't have good Dark Angels content, in my

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opinion. It's like, this book is a bit too far

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that it's not even involved in the heresy. This

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book's a bit mid. This book, oh, they're kind

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of in this story in the Siege of Terror, but

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it's just coarse wane. I don't think there's

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a really good... horus heresy dark angels book

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and outside of that you've modern 40k they're

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okay i'm gonna has real stuff can i can i ask

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a question before we get too deep into it so

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i know andy and and um uh how yes sorry i'm pointing

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i'm not sure is this direction or not yeah but

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um uh are are the i've read every single book

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in the world people oh yeah i'm a complete loser

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yeah all right okay uh eli are you part of this

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very sad club uh not for space marines uh for

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the for the unfortunate xenos factions who have

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bad lore i've unfortunately read most of their

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books okay so so what are your thoughts on Never

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mind. I wanted to make a jab at a Farsight book.

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I hate Farsight books. They're garbage. Phil

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Kelly, shout out Phil Kelly in my name. Phil

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Kelly is the worst author. His PFD right now

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in Discord is Phil Kelly. I hate the Phil Kelly

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Tao books with a passion. You said before, if

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you saw Phil Kelly, it's on site? It's on site.

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um colin i i don't remember if we talked about

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this in adric or not but are are you a 40k book

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reader i don't remember if you were i i read

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a few but not not really okay okay well i know

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he's a fantasy guy but i wasn't sure how much

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of it had like a overlap the only reason i asked

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these things is because obviously i am not as

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red as these two And I'm trying to figure out

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who are my kindred spirits in this podcast. Colin's

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read one Horus Heresy book, I think. Yes, I've

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read one. And I've read probably a third of the

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Horus Heresy. I don't touch Space Marine stuff

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very often. I think the book's usually bad for

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Space Marines. I've read a great deal of excerpts,

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but only one cover to cover. gotcha okay well

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because that's the thing i was curious about

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because i have not read many horus heresy dark

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angel books and for the most part they seem to

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be the lion being an uh and then some cool course

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wayne stuff and then i like if lion son of the

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forest did not come out i would have put them

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like an entire tier lower because i think that

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book absolutely rocks yeah this is where it gets

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like if we basically sum up you know really probably

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not very well but in a short way dark angels

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are essentially i don't know like it has a thing

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where so many of the books lean into there like

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we have layers of secrets upon secrets and you

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know the lions my favorite part is one book where

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a dark angel's talking to the dark angel doesn't

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realize it's the lion somehow he doesn't realize

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he's like a huge huge space marine just like

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towering over him for some reason it gets a bit

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convoluted in the horrors heresy books he meets

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kyros fate reaver for no reason and then he bashes

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off his own son's heads but then codex law and

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particularly again it's not based off of art

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direction or things like that but their codex

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law is interesting i do like the fact of their

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hunt for the fallen even though it kind of had

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a makeup change but man i just i can't get i

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i do love dark angels i have dark angels their

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codex is so cool too like they're all their old

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codex and they have probably the coolest aesthetic

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i know that's not what we're talking about for

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the tier list but yeah how much does art direction

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art direction aesthetic factor into this absolutely

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not at all otherwise would be at the top yeah

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for them i can't completely separate it because

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they They're no ultramarines, but I think they've

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got the best aesthetic. But the thing is, though,

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when you look at modern Dark Angels, they're

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kind of bland. Like, War of Secrets, Prime Mars

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goes, he's just wearing green with occasional

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bits on him. And it's just like, oh, we've got

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the green wing. They're just green guys. Like,

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they lose a lot of the, like, the flowing tabards

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and the winged helmets. It's more just, like,

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I am a green fella. like cool i think i would

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i would agree with you i i do think though that

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like i kind of have to separate myself from the

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here's the model that everyone would paint a

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color of your chapter and i have to look at them

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more as like their dedicated models and if we

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do we're looking at like new asthma die inner

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circle companions deathwing knights and they

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look And the Deathwing itself. We have a color

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scheme within our color scheme. You guys. Is

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Samael still around? Is he still around? He's

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still around. He's on his big ass bike. war of

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secrets is dog water and it's an it's a it's

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a town book in disguise probably the worst 4k

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book i've ever read actually no blade of truth

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that's really not true far side blade of truth

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is the worst one i've ever read there's a flesh

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terror book that i have not read all that don't

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worry I wish receding hairline upon that author.

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I've read Pandorax, that's technically Dark Angels.

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Pandorax is a Dark Angels book, technically.

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And they're kind of just jerks the whole time.

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I've read War of Secrets, and they're kind of

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just jerks the whole time. I've read Fallen Angels

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and Descent of Angels, and again, they're kind

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of just jerks the whole time. It's all really

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mid. And then there's The Lion, and it's like,

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oh, it's good! It's just way up there. Maybe

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C tier? you know what but their cortex floor

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yummy from my belly I'm feeling a bit of a B

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myself I think I may have put them lower if it

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wasn't for the lion book I think the lion book

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just just like it carries it on its back a little

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bit I don't know it is a redemption of their

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kind of like for all the bad that has come before

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it is like a nice like the whole point of that

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book is redemption as well in a way in which

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it's like you're maturing you're growing up the

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lion's grown up literally i mean you look at

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tywin lannister you know like i mean we're all

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getting there like the forehead gang in this

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uh call is pretty strong you know advertising

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there but yeah it is a good book that one i i

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know again like because unfortunately me and

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andy have punished ourselves by reading A different

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author for every single Dark Ages book. And the

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thing is, there is that infamous short story

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where Asmodai starts messing around with another

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chapter and doing his fallen shenanigans. There's

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the one with Balthazar, who's one of the captains.

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Lazarus's book is kind of cool, where he basically

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fights a moss entity. Lazarus is like, oh, I'm

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on a feudal world with knights, and what's the

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enemy? Moss. Sentient, evil moss. Alright, cool.

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Cool. But it's also like, and then the end of

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the book is a real tease. It's like, Lazarus,

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we just got a message from the lion. And you're

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like, oh, okay. That's where it's at. Okay, cool,

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cool, cool, cool. I think we've sucked that into

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the ground, that one. They should get at least

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a B tier, though. Yeah, their corner store is

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really cool. Yeah, their overall lore is one

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of the coolest things. You know, these secretive

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space marines that are actually monks. And the

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Fallen are always cool. The Fallen are cool.

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The Fallen are very cool. And Deathwing. And

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they have a cyborg space marine. I would say

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they got a whole ass Men of Iron Legion in a

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storage garage somewhere. We don't need to worry

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about that. Just for little cool things they

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got. They got so much little cool things. I like

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the Luthor book. Yeah, I'm happy with thee. We're

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going to be here for a while. Yeah, we might

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be. Yeah. Kill him. I'm an Eldar fan. I don't

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like Eldar. So, I mean, I think we should keep

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him. I think, I don't know. I think Emperor's

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Children has one of the most deplorable assholes

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of all time in Lucius. I love him I love Lucius

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to death because I think he's just like he's

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like Erebus treatment he's just a huge prick

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so if he couldn't get I I don't know if Eidolon

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takes that to be honest though particularly like

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that guy couldn't get his tongue further into

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Fulgrim Emperor's Children do we do we include

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Fabius Wilde in Emperor's Children oh yeah I

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think these guys are A tier at least A tier minimum

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their Horus Heresy books are really good The

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Fabius Bile trilogy is really good. What's his

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name? What's the 40K guy who just got a book

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recently? I've read his novella, but not his

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next book. His book is just like, I'm really

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bad as a leader. I like this. I will say, I have

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not read the new Fulgrim book, because I don't

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want to be disappointed, and I've heard only

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horrible things about it. I've got a joke for

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you, Eli. I really like the Fulgrim book, but

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I don't like the Fulgrim book. Yeah, uh -huh.

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I've read a lot of Warhammer books, and you're

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making me feel like I've read nothing. Yeah,

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because he's read 40k. I also read a lot of random

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map books, but Emperor's Children, I've actually

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read most of their books. Angel of Terminatus

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is cool. Angel of Terminatus is really enjoyable.

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Fulgrim's a nice character before he turns into

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a demon, and then he's obviously a demon primarch.

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They can't be Aether. Oh, sorry. no no i was

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i was thinking like the only reason they're not

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an s is because i think fulgrim's like layer

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blade transformation is kind of stupid yeah it's

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kind of crap words out of my mouth everything

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and the broad strokes probably my favorite like

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fall of a trader legion when you look at the

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specifics it's my but my lord your your your

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dick vein sword you can't go anywhere without

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that That book's really good, but that plot device,

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MacGuffin, you can tell they didn't think the

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Horus Heresy would be more than like 10 books

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max when they wrote that. The next one, I'm gonna,

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I'm going to yell at you, Colin. If you say F

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tier, I'm going to yell at you. Oh, we're going

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in Legion or I just realized that. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah. So Iron Warriors next. Oh, I like the Iron

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Warriors. I hate their dad. His book, his omnibus,

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I'm so good. I love it. That alone, I'm like...

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I'm not an Iron Warriors expert. I'm not Pearl

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Travel's top guy, unfortunately. I remember reading

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the Pearl Travel book, and I remember being like,

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God, this dude's great. I like the Pearl Travel

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book, but that was like five or six years ago

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when I read it, so I barely remember it. But

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I remember liking it as a kid. These guys are

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the epitome of anus. They are. I need more. Epitome

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of anus. Listen, you know, Perturabo's brows

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are so big he could smoke a cigarette in the

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rain. Okay, this guy is... He's clearly wrong

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with his Primarch, but overall, Iron Warrior

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lore is genuinely like... There's no letdown.

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There's no terrible book or anything. I like

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the Legion's lore. I just hate their dad. You

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say that, there's a really cool short story that

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you can only get in the special edition of the

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Honsu book. Of course, Andy's written it. Wait,

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wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You got a serial

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number? As far as I'm aware, it's the only modern

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Perturabo lore where Honsu goes back to Medringard

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and basically plays regicide with him and they

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have a chat. It's really good. But you can't

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get it anywhere other than the special edition

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of this book, which is stupid. Put it on. Put

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it on Audible. Well, I found a copy. Put it on

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Audible or put it on Kindle and we're happy.

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But it's like, no, it's only in this special

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edition limited version of this. GW, why? Why

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would you do that? I'll say, if people get the

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pleasure to get far enough into the horror's

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heresy to start Siege of Terror, the Iron Warriors

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are the best parts of the Siege of Terror novels

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generally. They are just... They're just nuts

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because there's parts where they have their inner

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rivalry between the three, the Trident characters,

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like the main leaders of the Legion, who basically

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they're always like, how do I backstab this motherfucker?

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And there's parts where like, I'll talk about

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one crazy scene, which is the Iron Warriors are

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assaulting one of the Lionsgate spaceport. It's

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a big part of the book, but essentially... They

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are disguising themselves in cultists by literally

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covering themselves in gore and in a cataphractic

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Terminator play, like marching through. And they

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break in, like literally, they tunnel under like

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a mountain of corpses to get in. And they're

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stuck inside, like a group of them. And they

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just keep fighting. They don't give up the entire

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time. And a hundred of them come out. And it

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finishes with the whole point of like... this

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is what it means to be iron within, iron without.

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The ones who survive are truly the strongest.

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The iron warriors have a cool mindset. I do have

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to follow it up that I do think they're good

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pieces of lore, and they did the iron warriors

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well enough, but my favorite of the heresy is

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still Talarn and Barabas Dantioch, and not Barabas

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for the reason because he's cool. I like Talarn

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because it's when Perturabo learned that a Lehman

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Russ cannon doesn't care if you're a space marine.

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You're just going to die. I like Barabas Dantiac

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because the book ends with, hey, dickhead, something

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out there is real hungry and it's your fault

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for getting its attention. Isn't that theoretical?

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No, isn't that the passage of one of the last

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pages of the book? something's eyes for a second

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just saw light and it moved? I don't remember.

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Andy, please tell me I'm not either making this

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up or I read something. Despite the branding,

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I do not remember that specific passage. I'd

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have to check. I think you're correct on that

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being a passage, but I thought that's like...

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it's not quite enough confirmation for like is

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this the tiered reason type deal you know That

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would be pretty cool if it was. I think that

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is. Yeah, because it goes to in the size of the

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Emperor books, it's like they are the guardians

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of where the sofa device was on Sofa. The Pharos

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device, you say. And that's where they're like,

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oh shit, these guys. It's not Talon, the book.

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I was getting confused. It's Pharos, the book.

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No, those are two different things. That's why

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I was like, oh, Pharos. Can I please get to the

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top of A, please? happy with it. I don't think

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they could. I feel like Emperor's Children were

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better, but I haven't read all of Iron Warden's

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books, so I can't really argue that much. Let

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me convince you, Ricky, alright? There's a passage

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in one of the short stories with the Honsu omnibus,

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where he's they're invading Kalf, and he's got

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a friend of his who was there since the days

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of the Great Crusade, but he's like, oh, I don't

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want to be an officer. And they have a discussion

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about how cool their entrenching tools are that

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they use to dig trenches, and there's a bit where

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Honsu enjoys getting back in the mud and digging

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a trench, and I'm like... I kind of like that.

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It's just like, I'm an Iron Warrior. I'm a warsmith.

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Look at me. I'm the big cheese. But I also just

00:20:50.660 --> 00:20:54.359
enjoy what I'm built for, which is digging a

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hole. And there's a bit where he gets hit by

00:20:57.559 --> 00:20:59.059
a shell and the other guy drags him out. And

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he's like, you're worthless, but you're not that

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worthless. And he drags him out of the mud. I'm

00:21:02.579 --> 00:21:05.420
like, I like this. It's well written. I don't

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think you're wrong on that. However, when I'm

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thinking about the Iron Warriors' best characters,

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I think Hanzo, Dantioch. And my well dries up

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quick. And then I think about Lucius, Fabius,

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Tarvitz, you know, Eidolon. And I'm kind of like,

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ah, you know, pink. I'm just saying, I'm not

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seeing a Lucius omnibus. I'm not seeing an Eidolon

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omnibus. He's got a book. He's got a book. He's

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got a book. And bear in mind, bear in mind, it's

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enjoyable. Wait, Hans has got three books and

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he's in like half the Uriel Ventress books and

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he has short stories. Who is model? Who is model?

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I can't even do this. I can't even do this. I'll

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have a model and I'm there. I was about to say,

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I wouldn't be angry about the model thing, but

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we can't judge it by that because it's a lot

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of things. I know. It doesn't matter. One's a

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93, one's a 94. Who cares? Maybe it's right.

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Maybe put our worries below. All right. Just

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put one below. I need to bring it here all the

00:22:02.619 --> 00:22:06.400
time. Hal never listens to me. I need to quickly

00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:08.839
mention something. We have so many donors to

00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:11.799
get through. Thank you. Thank you very much,

00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:13.920
Chad. Also, you misspelled my name in your description,

00:22:14.059 --> 00:22:15.880
by the way. I'm bricky, but with a K in front

00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:21.119
of a C. Wow. Huge. I'm just going to point that

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one out there for you. We'll fix it in post.

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We're going to fix it in post. We're going to

00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:27.980
fix it in post. So what I'm going to do is, because

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we've got like 40, I'll do 10, Hal does 10, Eli

00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:33.930
does 10, Colin does 10. Bless you all. And if

00:22:33.930 --> 00:22:35.789
there's any specifically for Bricky to read,

00:22:35.869 --> 00:22:37.690
I'll say, Bricky, can you read this one? All

00:22:37.690 --> 00:22:39.630
right? I think that's the fairest way to do this.

00:22:39.890 --> 00:22:43.210
So let's start off. Yeah? Never mind. This one's

00:22:43.210 --> 00:22:46.720
going to him. Never mind. I'm very interested

00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:49.019
on where this is going to go. I'm just aware

00:22:49.019 --> 00:22:50.700
that we're a bit running late and also there's

00:22:50.700 --> 00:22:54.519
so many. Thank you all. We don't want to keep

00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:56.859
you going too long. So first one from Fugless

00:22:56.859 --> 00:22:59.059
El Bosso. The Carcaridons are just the space

00:22:59.059 --> 00:23:01.460
wolves of the successor chapters. GW to swap

00:23:01.460 --> 00:23:04.579
wolves for a shark shtick. It's ridiculous. Audible

00:23:04.579 --> 00:23:10.559
wink. Kind of true. Audible wink. The Carcaridons

00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:12.980
get no hate. Surely if it's an audible wink it'd

00:23:12.980 --> 00:23:15.730
be like a... It'd be like a slimy sound. Well,

00:23:15.809 --> 00:23:18.190
it depends on how loud the mic is. Moving on.

00:23:21.829 --> 00:23:23.650
DonkeymanUSA for five. Stream late due to Hal

00:23:23.650 --> 00:23:26.089
gooning to his reflection in Bricky's doorhead.

00:23:26.329 --> 00:23:30.630
Doorhead? Wow. Yeah, you open it up and you see

00:23:30.630 --> 00:23:32.609
the hamster running the wheel a little bit there.

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We got one for you, Bricky. This guy comments

00:23:34.490 --> 00:23:37.849
that every time. Oh, boy. uh was this a high

00:23:37.849 --> 00:23:40.569
brick united colin wore a somewhat green hat

00:23:40.569 --> 00:23:45.480
yeah he changes every week This is fantastic.

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I love this. Highbrick asked you to join the

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haterversary. I taught DK the concept of toe

00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:54.680
tongues last time. What the hell? But it'd be

00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:56.660
boring to be horrid to the same way. So instead,

00:23:56.859 --> 00:23:59.160
give me a weekly YouTube streamer as a hat target.

00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:02.079
Happy birthday, Colin. What does that mean? It's

00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.319
Colin's birthday. It's every week. They're going

00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:06.680
to bother to wear a green hat because I'm not

00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:09.440
the first. Oh, so I got to pick one of these

00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:13.579
folks? I'd wear a green hat for your chat. I

00:24:13.579 --> 00:24:16.619
want Andy to wear a green hat because I want

00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:20.180
it to mesh with his goddamn Hugh Hefner robe.

00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:23.700
Andy would get a very stylish green hat. He's

00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:26.759
wearing nothing underneath it. I will say, Brickme,

00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:29.140
once we had a problem where for a few weeks our

00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:30.839
previous software would cut out and I couldn't

00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.420
speak, so I just would leave and then come back

00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:35.160
in a completely different outfit every few minutes.

00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:39.210
Also, folks, we haven't done a gaming stream

00:24:39.210 --> 00:24:41.349
but it's also our third year anniversary i think

00:24:41.349 --> 00:24:43.890
this week so hey happy third year anniversary

00:24:43.890 --> 00:24:52.879
he meant hatterversary not haterversary DonkeymanUSA,

00:24:52.879 --> 00:24:55.599
Corona Fireball Zero Ultra got me transmigrating

00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:59.420
across the outer darkness. Yes, it does. Shalaxy's

00:24:59.420 --> 00:25:02.759
biggest droopy gripper. I can stand how's awful

00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.319
takes no longer. Bro is mad. Hold on. I noticed

00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:08.380
they also were calling wearing a hat in that.

00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:10.880
Yeah, there's a lot of that. Very important.

00:25:12.140 --> 00:25:14.480
Well, to give you an idea, Bricky, there was

00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.940
like weeks where this particular viewer was like,

00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:23.009
Colin will wear a hat. at in nine weeks he didn't

00:25:23.009 --> 00:25:26.410
even he didn't even show up and stream with a

00:25:26.410 --> 00:25:28.930
green hat it was unbelievable i don't own one

00:25:28.930 --> 00:25:31.630
that's actually screwed up colin like i would

00:25:31.630 --> 00:25:35.710
have bought a green hat for that yeah no um the

00:25:35.710 --> 00:25:39.869
weekends are for my drink not for hats dj beast

00:25:39.869 --> 00:25:42.309
member for 11 months bricky versus colin jorking

00:25:42.309 --> 00:25:48.079
it down diabetic style wow yeah type two Zeron,

00:25:48.140 --> 00:25:51.319
hello. Hello, Glenn. Ricky! Ave, Dominus Nox,

00:25:51.380 --> 00:25:55.759
can we get a steel pipe clang? Hold on. You have

00:25:55.759 --> 00:26:00.799
that on lock. I was ready. I saw it. You beat

00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:04.900
me to it. I was like, I didn't press that. Morafi's

00:26:04.900 --> 00:26:07.539
designated toilet for five. Cranking my hog to

00:26:07.539 --> 00:26:10.400
doomed old man robot Yowie. Also, happy girth

00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:12.339
day, Colin. You were great and you came now.

00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:18.380
I see it spreading. Colin wore a hat somewhat.

00:26:19.420 --> 00:26:21.319
I literally cannot read. Same guy, same guy,

00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:23.740
yeah. Colin wore a somewhat green hat 10 weeks

00:26:23.740 --> 00:26:28.279
ago. First thing Colin safe on Adric was elk

00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:30.160
and depressed. All right, look, the depression

00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:33.160
is not a thing. I just have a very monotone voice.

00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.279
Alcoholism, don't worry about it. Damn, he's

00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.160
depressed. The Dank Apostle. Hi, guys. Can't

00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.180
stay. Just wanted to say, please limit Bricky

00:26:43.180 --> 00:26:46.180
from googling too much over the night. And remember,

00:26:46.299 --> 00:26:49.160
be positive. We'll get there in about five more

00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.500
legions. This guy's name. I struggle every time.

00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.720
Oh, this is so easy. This is Boragymus Rumblesnort.

00:26:56.859 --> 00:27:00.660
Yeah, thank you. I want to fly away on a quest

00:27:00.660 --> 00:27:04.140
that Colin... me to the other side of the galaxy.

00:27:04.460 --> 00:27:07.640
I know Eli find my destiny in outer space in

00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:14.079
1993. I had a stroke. Yeah, probably. Again,

00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:19.099
Colin wore a hat somewhat 10 weeks ago. I asked

00:27:19.099 --> 00:27:21.279
Sinesh for pleasure beyond mortal comprehension,

00:27:21.460 --> 00:27:28.210
and I now experience 37 climist... Climax? Climax?

00:27:28.230 --> 00:27:31.650
What? Every time the last gun is fired, for the

00:27:31.650 --> 00:27:35.089
love of God. I'd like to apologize to, I mean,

00:27:35.089 --> 00:27:38.289
I guess everyone here, but specifically the other

00:27:38.289 --> 00:27:41.410
three Lore Crimes co -hosts for me immediately

00:27:41.410 --> 00:27:48.250
corrupting this podcast. Stream late to Hal showing

00:27:48.250 --> 00:27:52.299
Bricky his new Skavenusi folder. That's actually

00:27:52.299 --> 00:27:54.339
kind of screwed up there, Yurjo. It's called

00:27:54.339 --> 00:27:56.940
the skvussi. Let's make sure we learn how to

00:27:56.940 --> 00:27:59.680
abbreviate properly. We're going to have to get

00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.920
the encyclopedia's pronunciation guide out again.

00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.980
The Gooning Encyclopedia. New member, Chaotic

00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:10.779
Gnome. Thank you, Chaotic Gnome. Hey man, thanks.

00:28:12.910 --> 00:28:15.630
Want to see more Hal, and then we'll move over

00:28:15.630 --> 00:28:17.930
to Colin. Something, something, forehead, man,

00:28:18.109 --> 00:28:22.690
pancreas, man. It's getting worse. Who knows?

00:28:22.710 --> 00:28:24.369
Do you want to read the next few? Sure, sure.

00:28:25.130 --> 00:28:26.549
DonkeyManUSA with the five, or thank you, about

00:28:26.549 --> 00:28:28.930
to put the great horned OmniSci in the jar if

00:28:28.930 --> 00:28:33.650
you don't stop delaying the stream. Howdy, fellas.

00:28:33.829 --> 00:28:35.349
You have a habit of forgetting them, so here's

00:28:35.349 --> 00:28:37.190
a friendly reminder. The Leagues of Otan exist.

00:28:37.789 --> 00:28:39.990
Cheers, boys. Let the rage commence. Hal has

00:28:39.990 --> 00:28:44.059
that habit, not me. I couldn't tell you what

00:28:44.059 --> 00:28:47.859
this one is. Dr. Bricktoffin of Call of Duty

00:28:47.859 --> 00:28:51.319
Zombies fame. Any thoughts on the new lad, Dalkian

00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:54.119
Rasak? He's the new Night Lords novel that's

00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:56.559
come out. He had a short story with the edgy

00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.680
fart on the front. I have yet to read it yet.

00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:02.160
The Sin Taker. Yeah, well, yeah. That's like

00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:06.859
calling a Necron the immortal. His name is Paul

00:29:06.859 --> 00:29:10.380
in the drama. I'm more aiming to read the Necron

00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:13.980
book first because I... Necron books... The Necron

00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:17.240
books miss less or never compared to marine books.

00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.700
That's right. Glory to the dynasties. And he

00:29:19.700 --> 00:29:22.160
sent the Necrolords in the short story that I

00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.599
talked about with you like months ago. I did

00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.119
a video on him, but he's a new guy. they basically

00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:30.819
were like hey you're a new author do a short

00:29:30.819 --> 00:29:32.700
and then people like to say you can have a book

00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:36.519
now so it is the same character i think so remember

00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.740
what our conversation is it's the same guy from

00:29:38.740 --> 00:29:41.160
the short story okay just saying the best map

00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:43.799
by the way is origins for zombies uh everyone

00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.779
disagrees no colin colin you can sit in a fire

00:29:46.779 --> 00:29:49.579
hydrant and you know what to do next make it

00:29:49.579 --> 00:29:55.400
disappear man with the two euros this is the

00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:57.380
longest house ever goon yeah he does that yes

00:29:58.049 --> 00:30:00.390
I'm worn with the Fiverr stream late due to how

00:30:00.390 --> 00:30:03.970
cooning in the lost city of Nakotis, thus disrupting

00:30:03.970 --> 00:30:06.750
the normal flow of time. Are we still in the

00:30:06.750 --> 00:30:11.210
pre -stream? Yes! Is this all pre -stream? Very

00:30:11.210 --> 00:30:16.029
nice. You guys are very generous. Colin wore

00:30:16.029 --> 00:30:18.210
a somewhat green hat 10 weeks ago. You guys are

00:30:18.210 --> 00:30:23.190
so late. People started searching for me. I'm

00:30:23.190 --> 00:30:27.690
eating a whole box of pastries to flex on Colin.

00:30:27.869 --> 00:30:30.890
You thick -brained Neanderthals. I can eat whatever

00:30:30.890 --> 00:30:35.650
I want. I have type 1. Your parents were siblings.

00:30:36.890 --> 00:30:40.799
My buddy also has type 1? in my house. So there's

00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.259
insulin in my fridge. I could get really jacked

00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:47.559
if I fell. Wow. No, he will die. No, he won't.

00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:49.839
Not quickly. Not if I take it right. He will

00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:54.000
be quickly. Insulin is good. No, no, no. Or instant

00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.599
gains. That's true. You see, you see more insulin

00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.960
taken and dying early is less time being small.

00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.700
Yeah, exactly. Excellent. Anyway, we will. And

00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:05.319
we'll possibly have an event version with the

00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:08.799
10 year old. Okay, losers. It's time. Host of

00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.299
Lore Crimes and Brick. All of you get your tape

00:31:11.299 --> 00:31:13.259
measures. I know all of you have them in arm's

00:31:13.259 --> 00:31:15.519
reach. Trying to find out who has the biggest

00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.160
forehead in the Brick Day community. I did get

00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.240
measured for a costume I ordered and I was told

00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.700
by the person who did it I have the biggest head

00:31:24.700 --> 00:31:30.799
she's ever seen. it's you know it's a family

00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.160
friend of like 15 years but also i didn't need

00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.519
to know that man it's still hard so so when you

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.759
say just the tip is does it take a while to figure

00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.160
that one out yeah it's uh she's ever seen a whole

00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.940
like three feet in circumference did she slap

00:31:43.940 --> 00:31:48.480
it and it went like it's like a door stopper

00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:53.500
eli Colin wore a somewhat green hat 10 weeks

00:31:53.500 --> 00:31:55.880
ago. Thank you for the two. I'm not joking. I

00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:01.640
just met a group searching for me. This dude

00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:06.849
is getting drunker by the day. Tybrose, the colorblind

00:32:06.849 --> 00:32:08.369
wake thing you've remembered for two months.

00:32:08.769 --> 00:32:11.650
Tried, my lord. Illinois will be evaporated.

00:32:11.930 --> 00:32:14.250
It deserves it for more than just that reason,

00:32:14.329 --> 00:32:16.250
but you're right. That drink is fine. This is

00:32:16.250 --> 00:32:19.609
actually legend of the chat here, Eli. Cabanda's

00:32:19.609 --> 00:32:21.390
mighty schlong of seeing this thing with two.

00:32:21.549 --> 00:32:23.369
Is Lord Crimes allergic to those with normal

00:32:23.369 --> 00:32:28.960
heads? Maybe. We have a good angle. already 23

00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.259
.5 dude you have to get dk next time so him and

00:32:32.259 --> 00:32:34.619
colin can nerd out about sword art online together

00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:39.960
favorite anime don't i hate that anime it's colin's

00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.099
favorite anime i don't know if he likes it i'm

00:32:42.099 --> 00:32:44.119
gonna have words with him next time i don't know

00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.319
if he likes it i think this is just i don't know

00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.660
what is this chaotic new with i will get that

00:32:49.660 --> 00:32:52.680
mpreg lore crimes plus bricky art will be done

00:32:53.259 --> 00:32:55.940
no pooter crash will stop me also sorry but you're

00:32:55.940 --> 00:32:58.680
now a lore crimes boy also morning this this

00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.440
is great i i'm very happy to see that that the

00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.859
people who are the most read and and most written

00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:08.460
in in the 40k lore world can uh know how to take

00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:11.619
a joke this is lovely this is the channel is

00:33:11.619 --> 00:33:14.140
called law crimes as well like we read a lot

00:33:14.140 --> 00:33:19.279
and we if you see Most of our fan art is Colin

00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:23.160
Pregnant. I'm ready to make shirts for all of

00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.039
you. I want you all on the shirt. You can do

00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:27.940
a King of the Hill style thing of all of you

00:33:27.940 --> 00:33:32.000
and Preg on the front. That'd be some crazy merch.

00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.240
My legacy won't be gooning. This new book's not

00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.819
actually that good. Raw, Triple Snicks, Day with

00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:41.079
the Five finally made it a live one with the

00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:44.160
full staff. It is a good day with this and hunting

00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.660
the parenting live episode from Bruva Alphabusa.

00:33:47.779 --> 00:33:49.819
I wonder how he's doing. Shout out to Goose.

00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.180
Classic. Thank you very much for the 20. Good

00:33:55.180 --> 00:33:57.220
to see my most favorite four Warhammer boys back

00:33:57.220 --> 00:34:00.059
at it again. I survived fever. I hope you all

00:34:00.059 --> 00:34:02.900
are doing well. Also, hi, Bricky. I was the guy

00:34:02.900 --> 00:34:05.559
who said to you that you'd make a great service.

00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.900
Wow. He was truly ominous. I enjoy it. He's honestly

00:34:09.900 --> 00:34:18.500
right. thank you for the 10 i hope you're doing

00:34:18.500 --> 00:34:21.119
good friend imperial knight's lore is great because

00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.260
you can just make it the freak up also sir hector

00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:27.179
is goaded shekels for the insulin fund gonna

00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:29.559
miss this one cheers oh well we'll see you in

00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.519
the uh in the remaster i believe this is a reference

00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.440
to your concoction uh from kaiju blue recipe

00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:42.570
for estus flasks Hey, Bricky. Oh, my apologies.

00:34:42.630 --> 00:34:45.190
I didn't read the name. Bricky's Sway is testicle.

00:34:45.329 --> 00:34:47.269
They are correct. Sway is worse than the other.

00:34:47.769 --> 00:34:49.489
Hey, Bricky, when are we going to get a poster

00:34:49.489 --> 00:34:51.170
of the Lorecrime's boys all oiled and wearing

00:34:51.170 --> 00:34:53.889
loincloths? I'm sorry, Bricky's Sway is testicle.

00:34:53.969 --> 00:34:55.690
We've moved past that. We have a much better

00:34:55.690 --> 00:35:00.550
idea now. When's the Lorecrime's Patreon calendar

00:35:00.550 --> 00:35:03.929
coming out? When we have a Patreon, I suppose.

00:35:04.789 --> 00:35:06.929
Nomi is Chomsky for Vibe. Put Night Lords in

00:35:06.929 --> 00:35:13.440
FTA where they belong. Real. Calm yourself. We're

00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.599
going to fight. Coming back up, the sacred elixir

00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.019
Boingob consumed before chicken rotisserie was

00:35:19.019 --> 00:35:22.340
such a good concoction, the fireball part didn't

00:35:22.340 --> 00:35:25.579
even protect the round lord's fate. Next one

00:35:25.579 --> 00:35:28.280
from Artie again. You'll have to introduce me

00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.480
to the glory of Boingob. Basically, our patron

00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.219
saint is Boingob. He is our patron saint. He

00:35:33.219 --> 00:35:35.360
is the squig from Age of Sigmar who attempted

00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.639
to eat the sun and died. being burnt to death.

00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:43.460
Why didn't we name him Helios? Name him what?

00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:48.039
Helios. Listen, he died for our sins. Too smart.

00:35:49.059 --> 00:35:52.179
And remember, folks, there is a server in the

00:35:52.179 --> 00:35:54.340
Discord where you can praise Boingob every day,

00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:57.340
as everyone does. Colin wore a somewhat green

00:35:57.340 --> 00:36:01.079
hat for 10. Last time I was on the bus, I listened

00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.619
to Adric when you played the Pipe SFX. I hit

00:36:03.619 --> 00:36:06.340
a metal bar in the bus. when it made a full break

00:36:06.340 --> 00:36:11.219
hashtag this is like uh playing sirens in radio

00:36:11.219 --> 00:36:14.280
commercials uh how do you want to do the next

00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.599
few gnomius chomsky shattered legions and joya

00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.639
finally there's more than one person glory salamanders

00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.139
iron hands and raven guard shout out to raven

00:36:23.139 --> 00:36:25.480
guard who we always forget to put in the episode

00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:40.829
because they don't have a lot yeah I mean, Dark

00:36:40.829 --> 00:36:46.329
Souls 3 is pretty good. I'm a 2 defender. No,

00:36:46.329 --> 00:36:49.630
2's also good. 2 should be defended. I'll take

00:36:49.630 --> 00:36:55.059
that. What's the best dark side? One is the best.

00:36:55.219 --> 00:36:58.460
One is not the best. One is obviously the best.

00:36:58.900 --> 00:37:01.219
If we're choosing between one, two, and three,

00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:05.900
I think three is the best. I don't know. Get

00:37:05.900 --> 00:37:09.320
him out of here! Get him out of here! He's not

00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:13.659
going to know. I was like, I just got evaporated

00:37:13.659 --> 00:37:20.300
from the call. He's got licked my balls. oh that's

00:37:20.300 --> 00:37:25.239
good to edit to colin's room change the screen

00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:30.260
behind me i'm moving i i dressed i dressed up

00:37:30.260 --> 00:37:33.119
as colin for halloween uh that was my halloween

00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:37.230
costume You still have the cuck chair, Colin.

00:37:37.289 --> 00:37:39.909
Fuck off! Yeah, that's my right. I can move everything

00:37:39.909 --> 00:37:43.510
but the chair? How suspicious is that? It's time

00:37:43.510 --> 00:37:46.929
for a few for Colin. Zimcon, thank you for the

00:37:46.929 --> 00:37:49.110
two. Necron, Laura's S. Praise to the Infinite

00:37:49.110 --> 00:37:53.269
Empire. Yeah, it's true. It is S tier. Angry

00:37:53.269 --> 00:37:56.989
homunculus. We're back to my room being edited,

00:37:57.190 --> 00:38:00.730
Andy. You're going back. Sorry, this one. 50

00:38:00.730 --> 00:38:04.880
,000 D? Hello from Vietnam, I just wanted to

00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.679
say. Thank you for helping me get through some

00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:09.480
tough times right now. Love you all. Here's to

00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:11.099
more lore crime. Thank you very much. Another

00:38:11.099 --> 00:38:15.360
one from Saturnine. Thank you. Also, Iron Lord

00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.320
Warriors better be getting S'd here for the hazard

00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.360
stripes, the Sigma Male Olympian Sea Jethos,

00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.530
the complete disregard for civilian life. You

00:38:22.530 --> 00:38:26.809
can find that anywhere in 40k. The Iron Warriors

00:38:26.809 --> 00:38:29.610
have peak incel rage. They use their incel rage

00:38:29.610 --> 00:38:32.610
to obliterate all of us. They do. I read the

00:38:32.610 --> 00:38:35.210
Persrabo book. That's most of the book is incel

00:38:35.210 --> 00:38:38.469
rage. Oh my god. Skarsnik's top guy, formerly

00:38:38.469 --> 00:38:42.389
known as Thanos with a 50 NOK. Surprised guest,

00:38:42.550 --> 00:38:45.110
pancreas no work on lore crimes for truly dark

00:38:45.110 --> 00:38:48.170
times. You miss like two episodes and you're

00:38:48.170 --> 00:38:52.630
no longer part of it. Oh, Xenon, Bricky, what

00:38:52.630 --> 00:38:54.989
are your thoughts on Dark Souls 2? I think Dark

00:38:54.989 --> 00:38:58.570
Souls 2 is a perfectly decent video game. There

00:38:58.570 --> 00:39:04.110
we go. They should tone down the life gem amount

00:39:04.110 --> 00:39:06.070
in the beginning, give you a few more Estus Flasks.

00:39:06.070 --> 00:39:08.789
You should not have to level up to get iframes

00:39:08.789 --> 00:39:11.190
on your dodges, and the hauling mechanic is stupid.

00:39:11.329 --> 00:39:15.789
Outside of that, it's not bad. I can take all

00:39:15.789 --> 00:39:18.789
that. That is valid. Crowd of the Sunken Dick

00:39:18.789 --> 00:39:23.210
Amber King. Yeah, it's good stuff. Eli. Do you

00:39:23.210 --> 00:39:25.730
want to get the last one, Eli? Thank you for

00:39:25.730 --> 00:39:28.949
the two. Peak Souls 2. I think that's the only

00:39:28.949 --> 00:39:36.190
one I've ever played. Good man. R23. Starring

00:39:36.190 --> 00:39:38.650
in Lore Crimes is like an amusement park. But

00:39:38.650 --> 00:39:40.730
all the signs say you must have this much forehead

00:39:40.730 --> 00:39:43.550
to join. They can't love you all content to kill

00:39:43.550 --> 00:39:46.010
you. Thank you very much. Last one. Love you

00:39:46.010 --> 00:39:48.590
too. So actually his biggest droopy gripper.

00:39:48.610 --> 00:39:51.269
Thank you for the two. We need more M preg merchandise.

00:39:51.449 --> 00:39:55.829
Also, how is gay? Oh, we got, we got one last

00:39:55.829 --> 00:39:57.929
one snuck in before we go back to the CLS for

00:39:57.929 --> 00:40:00.889
Nick, Nick, Ricky, you're coping. Well, considering

00:40:00.889 --> 00:40:03.969
how brain dead we are, you. Have you seen my

00:40:03.969 --> 00:40:06.349
stuff? I mean, come on, man. You should know

00:40:06.349 --> 00:40:09.949
what you're getting into as well. We better go

00:40:09.949 --> 00:40:16.469
fast. Okay, calm down. Okay, calm down. Space

00:40:16.469 --> 00:40:21.010
wolves? Okay, okay. Not that fast. All right,

00:40:21.010 --> 00:40:24.829
calm down. Let me know, Ricky. Andy is a tyrant.

00:40:24.829 --> 00:40:27.269
Andy is a tyrant with the tier list. No, I'm

00:40:27.269 --> 00:40:29.619
not. No, I'm not. I'm a truth teller, and I'm

00:40:29.619 --> 00:40:32.820
not a tyrant. How dare you? The truth is what

00:40:32.820 --> 00:40:35.699
the state makes it, and you are the state. I'll

00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:40.260
recommend this. I'm going to be honest. I love

00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:43.519
the White Scars. They're my favorite thing ever.

00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.320
I absolutely love them. They do not have good

00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:49.900
lore in terms of representation with books. I

00:40:49.900 --> 00:40:53.159
did my video on the Battle of Chagoras from their

00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.860
bespoke codex, and everyone was like, they had

00:40:55.860 --> 00:40:58.409
a battle for Chagoras? I'm like, yes yes they

00:40:58.409 --> 00:41:00.710
did but like i even saw a thing recently where

00:41:00.710 --> 00:41:03.329
like a reddit thing was like ranking all the

00:41:03.329 --> 00:41:06.170
space marine chapters and of the originals wise

00:41:06.170 --> 00:41:08.489
scars was at the bottom and that's just because

00:41:08.489 --> 00:41:11.690
they don't really make good like bespoke novels

00:41:11.690 --> 00:41:13.550
they're always side characters like in apocalypse

00:41:13.550 --> 00:41:17.809
they're stuck in phil kelly tau books you're

00:41:17.809 --> 00:41:21.949
right when it comes to the 40k if it's the 40k

00:41:21.949 --> 00:41:25.150
stuff though it's different heresy heresy The

00:41:25.150 --> 00:41:27.670
Goats. Heresy. Best books in the series. White

00:41:27.670 --> 00:41:31.010
Scars books. Chris Raitt, my beloved, made them...

00:41:31.010 --> 00:41:34.230
What? I haven't read Scars in a long time. Scars

00:41:34.230 --> 00:41:35.469
is like one of the best books in the heresy.

00:41:35.630 --> 00:41:40.210
It's amazing. I haven't read it in years. Half

00:41:40.210 --> 00:41:43.210
of Heaven, Scars, all the seizure terror stuff

00:41:43.210 --> 00:41:45.170
they're in. Everything the White Scars are in

00:41:45.170 --> 00:41:47.550
in Horus Heresy is phenomenal. And Chris Raitt

00:41:47.550 --> 00:41:49.710
did a fantastic job of bringing them out of the

00:41:49.710 --> 00:41:54.980
abyss. But it's like... I love that meme. It's

00:41:54.980 --> 00:41:59.380
the wrong nationality for the white scars. I

00:41:59.380 --> 00:42:04.880
was thinking of dogs also. I mean, I can imagine,

00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:09.360
not to cut you off, I mean, I kind of feel the

00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.800
same way. I love everything about what the white

00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:16.480
scars are, and I have read precious few things

00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:21.199
that make them look very exciting. Well, I think

00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:23.840
this is the part where, again, because obviously

00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:27.760
With a 60 -whatever book series, obviously, it's

00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.780
hard to get to everything. But Andy is correct

00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:33.559
in which, especially with the White Scar characters

00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:35.739
throughout the Horus Heritage series, because

00:42:35.739 --> 00:42:37.980
it's one of those ones where each time there's

00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:41.340
a book on the White Scar series, also their legion,

00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.360
it follows the same characters. So by the time

00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.260
there's no, like, oh, there's random new guys

00:42:46.260 --> 00:42:48.500
being added in, who I have no idea. We follow

00:42:48.500 --> 00:42:52.940
these... Well, some. That's later. That's later.

00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.940
But then there's quite a few of them who you

00:42:57.940 --> 00:43:00.539
follow them. Generally, there's this kind of

00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:04.179
tight -knit group who defy what people's expectations

00:43:04.179 --> 00:43:08.679
of them are. And then slowly, one by one, Jagatai

00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:12.199
Khan, who is an amazingly witty and funny character,

00:43:12.380 --> 00:43:15.500
he slowly loses all of his best friends he was

00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:18.280
growing up with. Each one of them slowly dies,

00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:22.170
sacrificing themselves for the cause of a basic

00:43:22.170 --> 00:43:24.550
cause they could have gone either way. Generally

00:43:24.550 --> 00:43:26.289
some of the better fight scenes as well. They

00:43:26.289 --> 00:43:30.230
have crazy fight scenes in Horus Heresy stuff.

00:43:30.409 --> 00:43:33.050
And then Jagatai Khan has good wine lines telling

00:43:33.050 --> 00:43:35.789
Mortar and he stinks. Everything with the Khan

00:43:35.789 --> 00:43:37.510
is awesome. Everything with Jagatai is always

00:43:37.510 --> 00:43:43.010
awesome. There's no more Jagatai in 40k. Shut

00:43:43.010 --> 00:43:47.269
your face, Colin! All I will say is let's not

00:43:47.269 --> 00:43:50.949
forget that Shaban Khan saves an actual baby.

00:43:51.550 --> 00:43:53.869
outside the walls of the seat of terror and brings

00:43:53.869 --> 00:43:57.510
it back i'm like the goats coming back again

00:43:57.510 --> 00:44:00.730
with another classic generally like the most

00:44:00.730 --> 00:44:03.210
human moments of like they actually look after

00:44:03.210 --> 00:44:05.670
so like the most interaction between normal civilians

00:44:05.670 --> 00:44:07.969
and space marines are in white scar books yeah

00:44:07.969 --> 00:44:09.789
white guys are probably nicer than salamanders

00:44:09.789 --> 00:44:13.389
actually They adopt a thousand suns so that he

00:44:13.389 --> 00:44:15.449
can be less cringe than his brothers. Like, yeah,

00:44:15.489 --> 00:44:21.010
the goats. Best of all time. These are all pretty

00:44:21.010 --> 00:44:26.170
fine ideas. It's let down by the 40k stuff. I

00:44:26.170 --> 00:44:28.590
think you're all right. I think they're still

00:44:28.590 --> 00:44:33.769
in B though. They're in a lot of really mid Space

00:44:33.769 --> 00:44:36.849
Marine books in 40k. Because most 40k Space Marine

00:44:36.849 --> 00:44:39.679
books are just so mid. They are pretty cool in

00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:43.739
a world traitor book of all places. They just

00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:48.039
kind of lock in and deal with the problem. Even

00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:51.280
the terrible Fist of the Imperium book about

00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.340
the Imperial Fist has a white scar Death Watch

00:44:53.340 --> 00:44:55.119
guy, and he's like the best thing in the book.

00:44:56.460 --> 00:45:00.440
Andy, you really read everything, bro. Anyway,

00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:06.860
honestly, Space Wolves, bear with me. I'm actually

00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:09.260
going as far as I would put them almost an S.

00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.860
I'll be honest. This is huge. Get down. Get down

00:45:12.860 --> 00:45:16.619
there, Colin. Get on your knees. Fucking wolves.

00:45:17.059 --> 00:45:20.500
You know, I think once you move past the memes

00:45:20.500 --> 00:45:24.460
that I myself have perpetrated or whatever, where

00:45:24.460 --> 00:45:26.900
everything is wolf, wolf, wolf, and you actually

00:45:26.900 --> 00:45:30.360
look into Bjorn and the folks and the months

00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.389
of shame and stuff, I think they rock, man. Right,

00:45:34.650 --> 00:45:36.210
right, right. Let me make my case for a second.

00:45:36.489 --> 00:45:40.510
You've got six Ragnar Blackmane books. You've

00:45:40.510 --> 00:45:42.570
got the Lucas the Trickster book, which is fantastic

00:45:42.570 --> 00:45:44.389
because it adds some comic relief to the setting,

00:45:44.429 --> 00:45:48.329
but also making him a badass. You've got great

00:45:48.329 --> 00:45:50.909
codexes. You've got the Mumps of Shame. You've

00:45:50.909 --> 00:45:53.170
got not just the new Fourth War for Armageddon,

00:45:53.170 --> 00:45:54.929
but also the Third War for Armageddon and the

00:45:54.929 --> 00:45:57.940
First War for Armageddon. They cook! They actually

00:45:57.940 --> 00:45:59.820
cook. And even when they're in the Horus Heresy,

00:45:59.960 --> 00:46:03.360
I always was intrigued by like, even like Prospero

00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:05.699
Burns and stuff like that, learning about there

00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:07.940
are no wolves on Fenris. And then there's like

00:46:07.940 --> 00:46:11.239
guys like Bodvar Bjarki and the guy, I can't

00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:12.719
remember the name off the top of my head, who

00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:17.360
makes it for the lion. He picked, there's a space

00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:20.199
wolf who picked a fight with the lion and Conrad

00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:25.559
occurs in the same book and lived. Slightly.

00:46:25.980 --> 00:46:28.400
Burning of Prospero and Thousand Suns were like

00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:30.079
two of the first Horus Heresy books I read as

00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.179
a kid, so they have very fond memories. And also

00:46:32.179 --> 00:46:35.119
Logan Grimnar has plot armor thicker than Cato

00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.780
Sicarius and Caldor Drago combined. He's literally

00:46:37.780 --> 00:46:39.940
the GOAT. You will never beat Logan Grimnar.

00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:42.000
He's like sick as hell though, so it's totally

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.659
okay. Yeah, he's literally the GOAT. Can I ask

00:46:45.659 --> 00:46:47.829
something? Sorry, I want to hear Colin. I want

00:46:47.829 --> 00:46:51.210
to hear Cone. He's being drowned by Wolf and

00:46:51.210 --> 00:46:53.550
Hare. I'd just like to start that if we're going

00:46:53.550 --> 00:46:56.289
off books, then Caiaphas Kane better be his own

00:46:56.289 --> 00:46:59.789
goddamn faction on this list, Andy. Oh, he's

00:46:59.789 --> 00:47:02.809
got so many books. That means he's good. Yeah,

00:47:02.929 --> 00:47:05.190
that's it. He's just got more lore. It doesn't

00:47:05.190 --> 00:47:07.639
matter if it's good. He's going to get cut. He's

00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:12.000
going to choose files. Mad because bad. Mad because

00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:17.079
bad. The mouth of every GW author is firmly wrapped

00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.480
around Space Wolf meat just going around. That's

00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:24.119
right. We can break the codex. We get a bajillion

00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.739
Marines in our own fleet and we beat up... That's

00:47:27.739 --> 00:47:35.260
right. Colin, Colin, Colin. Are you happy now?

00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.619
Are you happy? Are you happy? I mean, I'm a guard

00:47:38.619 --> 00:47:40.500
simp also, so I'm kind of happy with that. Are

00:47:40.500 --> 00:47:44.800
you happy? Can I interject one thing for the

00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:48.099
boys, which is, Bricky, if you ever get the chance,

00:47:48.380 --> 00:47:51.639
there's a really good Space Wars character, obviously

00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:53.440
Ragnar Blackman, I'm sure you've heard of, but

00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.840
in his novel, which is written probably 20 years

00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.139
ago, it explains that the Wolfen... It's not

00:48:00.139 --> 00:48:03.519
because they look like wolves. It's named after...

00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.119
It's a wolfing curse because it's named after

00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.199
a guy called Wolfen. And I just can't get out

00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.219
of it. No, they did the fucking land raider thing

00:48:13.219 --> 00:48:16.239
again. He picked a fight with Lehman Russ and

00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.179
was told off and now you drink from the cup of

00:48:18.179 --> 00:48:21.920
Wolfen named after Wolfen who led the 13th company.

00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.739
That's where it comes from. But also, it's a

00:48:25.739 --> 00:48:28.920
book series. genuine question was it like written

00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.019
well when that happened because i actually because

00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:33.920
the arc and land bit in master mankind is actually

00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:36.099
played for laughs like it's it's meant to be

00:48:36.099 --> 00:48:37.760
kind of humorous you know to give you an idea

00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.380
that just remember that the ragnar black main

00:48:40.380 --> 00:48:42.360
books are read are written by the same guy who

00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.239
did the gotrek and felix books it's willing i

00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:46.920
did not know that i have not read the gotrek

00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:48.960
and felix it's peak that's why that's why they're

00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:52.079
there canonically the only chapter slash legion

00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.920
who has a fat space marine is the space wolves

00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:57.199
and he's called hager and he throws a hunt a

00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:59.199
thunder hammer like it's a tomahawk yeah and

00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:02.340
it's amazing thor because yeah yeah and there's

00:49:02.340 --> 00:49:04.280
and there's also a dandy i don't need a book

00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.780
for that and there's also a dandy space marine

00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:09.079
who drinks wine and wears perfume and all the

00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:10.860
other space was like you're cringe and so he

00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:13.269
doesn't live in fenris he lives on terra They're

00:49:13.269 --> 00:49:16.250
great. Space Wolf content is always good. No,

00:49:17.250 --> 00:49:22.670
no, no. This is a spur of the moment, but honestly,

00:49:23.050 --> 00:49:27.789
if you want to go lore, they crunk in Horus Heresy.

00:49:27.869 --> 00:49:30.929
They crunk in the Ragnar Blackmane book. And

00:49:30.929 --> 00:49:33.829
anytime they show up, they are so good. Have

00:49:33.829 --> 00:49:36.949
they ever lost a major conflict on screen? Never.

00:49:37.170 --> 00:49:39.429
And that's why they're fun. That's right. That's

00:49:39.429 --> 00:49:42.500
why they go... And also... No, no, no. Okay,

00:49:42.940 --> 00:49:44.460
when we get to the Eighth Legion, we'll talk

00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:46.360
about why losing conflicts is good for character

00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:48.760
development. And let's not forget that Logan

00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.860
Grimnair was also in the Malkarian heresy as

00:49:50.860 --> 00:49:52.320
a young wolf, so you get to see his progression

00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.260
from, like, an itty -bitty wolf to a big wolf.

00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:58.860
And that's cool as well. For the sake of time,

00:49:59.380 --> 00:50:01.719
we'll leave it at that. For the sake of time,

00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:03.659
I think I'm happy with Space Wolves. Yeah, I

00:50:03.659 --> 00:50:05.960
agree. I agree with you, Andy. This is really

00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.320
hard for me, because, again... It is because

00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.480
I generally thought nothing of the Imperial Fist.

00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:16.219
And then I'm just hit with some of the, like

00:50:16.219 --> 00:50:17.900
they generally have some of the coolest scenes

00:50:17.900 --> 00:50:20.480
in the heresy. But again, the 40K is such a heavy

00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:24.860
letdown. It's really tough. I feel like every

00:50:24.860 --> 00:50:27.639
single time there's an Imperial Fist in any book

00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.739
I've read, there's some side character that is

00:50:30.739 --> 00:50:34.239
uninteresting. Or when I have read Dorne books,

00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:38.380
I'm like, when Dorne is speaking, He's cool.

00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:42.380
Cause he's just like dense as shit, but, but

00:50:42.380 --> 00:50:45.139
like fun and, and does have character a bit,

00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:48.139
but then all of his sons, I just don't enjoy.

00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:58.170
I haven't read. I haven't read the life. I haven't

00:50:58.170 --> 00:50:59.829
read the Lysander books yet, but I've read pretty

00:50:59.829 --> 00:51:00.849
much everything else. The only books he's not

00:51:00.849 --> 00:51:04.670
read. Oh, I've read a Lysander book, actually.

00:51:04.690 --> 00:51:06.650
The one where he makes a deal with a demon or

00:51:06.650 --> 00:51:12.389
something. Pandarax? Well, Pandarax is the Grey

00:51:12.389 --> 00:51:13.269
Knights and the Dark Knight. That's the Grey

00:51:13.269 --> 00:51:15.369
Knight one, yeah. It sounds similar. But it's

00:51:15.369 --> 00:51:18.570
the same Space Marine Conquest series. But I

00:51:18.570 --> 00:51:21.769
haven't read it yet. But like, 30k? There are

00:51:21.769 --> 00:51:24.210
some cool characters like Archimus II, Archimus

00:51:24.210 --> 00:51:27.110
III. There's Alexus Pollux, let's not forget.

00:51:27.369 --> 00:51:30.429
Do Soul Drinkers and Crimson Fists, Lord, does

00:51:30.429 --> 00:51:33.550
that count for Imperial Fists? You have to count

00:51:33.550 --> 00:51:35.469
Black Templars and I don't think that's fair.

00:51:35.630 --> 00:51:37.670
Black Templars are separate. We have a separate

00:51:37.670 --> 00:51:42.090
thing for them. Are we doing successor chapters

00:51:42.090 --> 00:51:46.849
too? No, no, no. Hold on. We're only doing the

00:51:46.849 --> 00:51:49.050
Black Templars because they've usurped the Imperial

00:51:49.050 --> 00:51:52.110
Fists as their main chapter. I'm going to cry.

00:51:52.869 --> 00:51:56.090
Let's put them in C because War of the Beasts

00:51:56.090 --> 00:52:02.170
is cool. Okay, alright. Alright. Let's talk about

00:52:02.170 --> 00:52:05.710
night Lawrence. All right. Here's what I'm thinking,

00:52:05.809 --> 00:52:08.639
okay? Here's what I'm thinking. Night Lords,

00:52:08.900 --> 00:52:12.000
when Aaron Demski Bowden writes them, three of

00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:15.320
the best books ever. Very, very good. Talos,

00:52:15.340 --> 00:52:18.059
great character. Fantastic stuff. Incredible.

00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.500
Everything else about Night Lords, generally

00:52:20.500 --> 00:52:23.780
generic and villain of the week, dude who loves

00:52:23.780 --> 00:52:26.599
to skin kids. I would put them an A because the

00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:28.960
books are so goddamn good. And I think that they're,

00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.440
I think Kurz is like genuinely interesting. He's

00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.739
cool. I think he's pretty neat. However, I can

00:52:34.739 --> 00:52:38.840
be let down if need be. I think I'm kind of Talos

00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:41.280
coping and I'm okay with that because those books

00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.000
are like the best things I've ever read. B tier?

00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:46.300
Can we settle for B tier? I was going to say,

00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:48.079
can we put it top of B because it's like, if

00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:50.539
we're going to be like putting everything on

00:52:50.539 --> 00:52:53.239
Talos and maybe Jago, Savitarian. Savitarian

00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:55.139
is pretty up there as well. Yeah. Yeah. But like

00:52:55.139 --> 00:52:58.110
Honsu has, I think more and better stuff. to

00:52:58.110 --> 00:53:01.789
some degrees than talos i really like honsu and

00:53:01.789 --> 00:53:03.530
also there's some cool iron warriors characters

00:53:03.530 --> 00:53:05.730
along the way that also do some of the slack

00:53:05.730 --> 00:53:12.849
picking up slack for every night way more i cannot

00:53:12.849 --> 00:53:17.090
fathom that the night lord have you read the

00:53:17.090 --> 00:53:21.449
honsu stuff no but i generally even let's just

00:53:21.449 --> 00:53:24.929
even open it community -wide it's the night lord

00:53:24.929 --> 00:53:28.800
omnibus is considered the best opener for someone

00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.199
to get into 40k there's just no comparison that

00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.280
isn't like if it's something i mean but that's

00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:36.079
not their only that's not their only more than

00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:38.980
yeah i'm gonna say it's a great book but i feel

00:53:38.980 --> 00:53:41.119
like you need a decent like knowledge of warhammer

00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.179
to understand the night lord books a bit you

00:53:44.179 --> 00:53:48.880
need probably decent and they have like it's

00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:51.380
no like eisenhorn which is a very easy starter

00:53:51.380 --> 00:53:54.059
you know or kane which you don't need or kane

00:53:55.789 --> 00:53:57.789
I just can't get through how good it is, though.

00:53:58.510 --> 00:53:59.769
Well, they have, like, we're going to be over

00:53:59.769 --> 00:54:01.449
three hours. We're going to be over three hours.

00:54:02.190 --> 00:54:06.650
Please, Low A, please, for my son. I want Low

00:54:06.650 --> 00:54:09.369
A. I'm not trying to argue for S, but I do think

00:54:09.369 --> 00:54:13.989
Kurz, Nostromo, their general concept, his vindictive,

00:54:13.989 --> 00:54:17.449
weird personality, the books, I think it's worth

00:54:17.449 --> 00:54:20.050
it. Death of characters is strong in these ones

00:54:20.050 --> 00:54:25.440
as well. These blood angels. I really like their

00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:27.780
omnibus, but I think most of it is now not canon,

00:54:27.900 --> 00:54:30.000
which is a shame. Including the Blood Angels

00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.699
Civil War, which is awesome. And James Swallow

00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:35.380
is possibly my second favorite writer of all

00:54:35.380 --> 00:54:38.539
time. He never misses. He did Flight of the Eisenstein.

00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:40.739
He did the Blood Angels omnibus. He did the Buried

00:54:40.739 --> 00:54:42.840
Dagger. He's done Death Guards. He's done Knights

00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.400
Errant. He's done Blood Angels. We're not putting

00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:48.659
James Swallow on the list. Mike Brooks to the

00:54:48.659 --> 00:54:53.000
top, baby! His omnibus is good. Mephiston's books

00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:56.280
are pretty good. uh dante's pretty good they've

00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:58.760
got to be an a surely and above nightlords and

00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:02.079
sure they got driven it's so hard to look at

00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:03.679
blood angels and not think man those guys are

00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:05.460
so freaking cool even if you barely know anything

00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:07.539
about them they just they just have that effect

00:55:07.539 --> 00:55:10.119
i don't know i haven't read a single blood angel

00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:11.800
scores heresy book and i've heard that they're

00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:16.519
kind of made that's overrated so i feel like

00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:18.579
what's the deal about blood angels they have

00:55:18.579 --> 00:55:20.539
cool 40k characters though which is what a lot

00:55:20.539 --> 00:55:24.670
of these other legions lack How much is Devastation

00:55:24.670 --> 00:55:27.210
of Baal carrying them like the Nightlord Omnibus

00:55:27.210 --> 00:55:31.409
carries Nightlords? It depends. I mean, Sanguinius

00:55:31.409 --> 00:55:33.710
is like an S -tier Primarch, though. He's pretty

00:55:33.710 --> 00:55:36.750
up there. Blood Angels have a lot of canon characters

00:55:36.750 --> 00:55:42.250
walking around in the Codex. Colin is turning

00:55:42.250 --> 00:55:48.849
purple. Colin, what's wrong? Colin, why? I think

00:55:48.849 --> 00:55:52.889
Sanguinius is overrated. I think it's pretty

00:55:52.889 --> 00:55:56.230
great. I think he's very cool, but everyone talks

00:55:56.230 --> 00:55:59.090
about him like he's Jesus Christ reborn. Yeah,

00:55:59.090 --> 00:56:01.909
yes, because he died. I understand the symbolism

00:56:01.909 --> 00:56:05.170
of it. I'm going to honk out a brown snake at

00:56:05.170 --> 00:56:09.010
your new house for that. Go on, you're visiting

00:56:09.010 --> 00:56:12.429
me then. I'm going to say, I will say that I

00:56:12.429 --> 00:56:15.250
think the blood angels have the inverse problem

00:56:15.250 --> 00:56:18.599
of the white scars. Their 30k characters are

00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:20.800
kind of mid. And then their 40k characters are

00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:24.559
really good. Like, Rauderon. Does anyone really

00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:27.119
know anything about Rauderon? He's a first captain.

00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:30.320
He should have some lore. Does he? No. He kicks

00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.900
a Nightlord off a wall in Siege of Terror. He's

00:56:32.900 --> 00:56:35.980
kind of there from... But then you've got Meros,

00:56:35.980 --> 00:56:38.079
the Apothecary, where he submits himself to the

00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:42.099
Ragefire and becomes a demon in Fusion to save

00:56:42.099 --> 00:56:44.260
his Primarch from sacrificing himself. That was

00:56:44.260 --> 00:56:47.550
cool. The omnibus is cool. Dawn Space Marine

00:56:47.550 --> 00:56:50.949
over here. The Mephiston books are cool. Blood

00:56:50.949 --> 00:56:53.030
Angels have some really good stuff. The Blood

00:56:53.030 --> 00:56:56.050
Angels Civil War alone is freaking awesome because

00:56:56.050 --> 00:56:58.050
it's an interchapter war, and I think that's

00:56:58.050 --> 00:57:00.230
cool. And there's some word bearers, and it's

00:57:00.230 --> 00:57:03.349
good. Sorry. You need to find me a Captain Tycho

00:57:03.349 --> 00:57:05.190
book. I've been told he's not in any books, but

00:57:05.190 --> 00:57:09.710
I want to make a video on Captain Tycho. I know,

00:57:09.809 --> 00:57:12.329
but he's got no lore. He's just cool. He has

00:57:12.329 --> 00:57:14.389
a short story. But he's got no lore other than

00:57:14.389 --> 00:57:16.170
that, and it's a shame. And he's dead now, so

00:57:16.170 --> 00:57:18.550
we can't do anything. We put it in S because

00:57:18.550 --> 00:57:24.170
generally they have, even from what is codex

00:57:24.170 --> 00:57:28.010
or general lore, pretty amazing. The in -depth

00:57:28.010 --> 00:57:30.690
lore through their characters and novels is,

00:57:30.690 --> 00:57:34.460
again, one of the best offerings in 40k. It must

00:57:34.460 --> 00:57:38.860
be on there. I would be fine with High A if we

00:57:38.860 --> 00:57:42.139
were... I did think, out of all the other Space

00:57:42.139 --> 00:57:44.260
Marine chapters, I was going to put Blood Angels

00:57:44.260 --> 00:57:47.079
in High A or S. Yeah, I think High A is better

00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:49.519
because they have Bad Wars heresy books. Has

00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:53.280
any other chapter got a plotline about a supposed

00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.760
reincarnation of the Primarch, but it's actually

00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:59.659
seen fucking around? No, because they all still

00:57:59.659 --> 00:58:02.739
have their Primarchs. What's with the iron hands?

00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:09.619
Curse might have his soul in his hands. I hate

00:58:09.619 --> 00:58:13.579
elves. I love elves! Please read the Blood Angels.

00:58:13.659 --> 00:58:17.019
Omniverse is really good. I'm fine with putting

00:58:17.019 --> 00:58:19.360
Blood Angels in top of A if we're going to try

00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.920
to split hairs. Also, I think Colin wants him

00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.280
in B, so we should take Colin's opinion in this

00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:29.099
a little bit. Never said before. Never said before

00:58:29.099 --> 00:58:33.400
on Warcraft. He was the first one on Adric, you

00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:35.639
know, I think. So, you know, we gotta give a

00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:39.360
lot. Where would you put a nothing burger on

00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:43.260
this list, Andy? This pays me so much, because

00:58:43.260 --> 00:58:46.059
this is my favorite chapter. Is it your favorite

00:58:46.059 --> 00:58:50.860
chapter, Hal? Because if you ever... No one's

00:58:50.860 --> 00:58:53.119
going to ever read this book. Some of the Ironhands

00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:56.099
books are the most depressing 40k books ever.

00:58:56.380 --> 00:59:01.900
I like that. It's so... I understand the whole

00:59:01.900 --> 00:59:04.139
thing of let me get a rope, if you know what

00:59:04.139 --> 00:59:08.440
I mean. That's how bad it is. But the Ironhands

00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:12.460
do have their general lore part. The Shattered

00:59:12.460 --> 00:59:15.599
Legions and Horus Heresy stuff is pretty... Even

00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.239
though I know it's a subplot. They do all right

00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.099
with it. And I do enjoy that some of the characters,

00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.699
they all end up dying. Spoilers. I've said that

00:59:23.699 --> 00:59:27.659
before. The 40k stuff, I love the fact that Legion

00:59:27.659 --> 00:59:31.000
is like, it's not just generic space. They have

00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:33.980
a unique thing. They worship the Mechanicus.

00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:36.980
They get different clan. They change clans and

00:59:36.980 --> 00:59:39.679
get different upgrades into their biometrics.

00:59:39.699 --> 00:59:42.599
They battle with this random self -hatred and

00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:46.690
a weird Zetian plot where they have... the coolest

00:59:46.690 --> 00:59:48.670
it's just the only thing that's close to my heart

00:59:48.670 --> 00:59:51.369
which is the coolest unit which is not on the

00:59:51.369 --> 00:59:54.469
tabletop yet which is the iron fathers which

00:59:54.469 --> 00:59:58.170
in the one the iron one of those books it just

00:59:58.170 --> 01:00:03.150
describes the um some humans like the iron fathers

01:00:03.150 --> 01:00:05.949
are basically the ones who guard their like massive

01:00:05.949 --> 01:00:09.449
council and they um they're tech primary and

01:00:09.449 --> 01:00:13.789
chaplain hybrids But they've done something called

01:00:13.789 --> 01:00:15.630
they've turned the keys of hell, which is they've

01:00:15.630 --> 01:00:18.769
turned themselves into essentially human automatons.

01:00:18.789 --> 01:00:22.449
And when normal people see them, they literally

01:00:22.449 --> 01:00:25.750
shiver with fear because you're seeing a thing

01:00:25.750 --> 01:00:29.230
that only knows how to kill. And it's a human

01:00:29.230 --> 01:00:32.510
completely devoid of any humanity. They're not

01:00:32.510 --> 01:00:35.769
really human. The joke is there's not really

01:00:35.769 --> 01:00:37.349
any human parts left in them. They're kind of

01:00:37.349 --> 01:00:41.030
like... walking robots and yeah terrifying can

01:00:41.030 --> 01:00:42.469
we put them in eight can we put them in here

01:00:42.469 --> 01:00:46.090
i'm gonna say i definitely don't know at all

01:00:46.090 --> 01:00:49.210
wait wait wait wait wait bricky like i gotta

01:00:49.210 --> 01:00:52.570
be honest yeah shad shadrach meduson's death

01:00:52.570 --> 01:00:55.070
in horus heresy was the biggest gut punch i ever

01:00:55.070 --> 01:00:58.329
felt in a horus in in a warhammer book ever he's

01:00:58.329 --> 01:01:00.570
a lazy character yeah no one's gonna feel that

01:01:00.570 --> 01:01:03.630
way but they're they're 40k stuff like the the

01:01:03.630 --> 01:01:06.199
um What's the war leader? Because they don't

01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:07.480
have a chapter master, they have a war leader.

01:01:07.860 --> 01:01:12.659
Shadrach Meduson. No, like I said, Cardan Stronos.

01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:14.579
His book's really good. He's got two and a half.

01:01:15.860 --> 01:01:19.420
Absolutely fascinating books, including a bit

01:01:19.420 --> 01:01:22.980
where he goes to Medusa and he talks to a weird

01:01:22.980 --> 01:01:25.119
primordial being that's kind of multi -headed

01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:27.440
and maybe it's a Mechanicus abomination that

01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:31.239
lives there. It's really weird. And they're fascinating.

01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:34.280
There's a book, Iron Hands, about the Iron Hands,

01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.820
and it's about an Iron Hand. Okay, now you've

01:01:36.820 --> 01:01:39.460
argued for big. You've mentioned it. It's good.

01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:42.219
So, you know, what we discussed earlier, we talked

01:01:42.219 --> 01:01:46.980
about how the concepts of the Legion outweighs

01:01:46.980 --> 01:01:49.780
the strengths of certain bits of writing and

01:01:49.780 --> 01:01:51.659
stuff. I mean, I fully believe that Ferris Man

01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:53.400
is a bit of an unwritten, as a lowly written

01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:57.139
character. Yeah, yeah. But I kind of think...

01:01:57.610 --> 01:01:59.869
much similarly to dark angels and white scars

01:01:59.869 --> 01:02:02.389
that they the idea of the iron hands matters

01:02:02.389 --> 01:02:05.690
more than what has been put on on page and so

01:02:05.690 --> 01:02:09.329
i was fine with putting them b i would say if

01:02:09.329 --> 01:02:11.269
you read the breadth of stuff they have you'd

01:02:11.269 --> 01:02:14.110
put them in a really even with the 40k stuff

01:02:14.110 --> 01:02:16.570
because we do judge 30k and 40k as separate the

01:02:16.570 --> 01:02:19.590
40k stuff is really good it's not really good

01:02:19.590 --> 01:02:23.130
no one's read it it's good but it is really good

01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.559
The Cardan Stronos books are fantastic. The Anatolos

01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:28.519
Godalkin book called Iron Hands about an iron

01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:32.039
hands. It's like a problem with marketing. That

01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:37.219
book has a plot line about they maybe found the

01:02:37.219 --> 01:02:39.840
burial place of Ferus Manus. And I read that

01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:43.699
and I did like a, oh, and it's like them pit

01:02:43.699 --> 01:02:45.619
against the word bears. And it's really interesting.

01:02:45.739 --> 01:02:47.579
And I love what they do. Like iron hands are

01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:50.219
such good law. No one's read it. That's the only

01:02:50.219 --> 01:02:54.019
problem. I'll put my hands up and be like, I'm

01:02:54.019 --> 01:02:57.079
not versed in this realm, so you can put it in

01:02:57.079 --> 01:03:00.159
A if you'd like. I'm surprised, but I also think

01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:04.659
Andy's a dictator, so... It's true. World eaters.

01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:13.719
I like world eaters a lot. I do. I do too. Are

01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:18.050
we going all the way to S? I'm asking you. I'm

01:03:18.050 --> 01:03:20.309
kind of indifferent to what he does. Angron's

01:03:20.309 --> 01:03:23.429
a great character, in general. I like Angron

01:03:23.429 --> 01:03:27.269
a lot. Not anymore, though. That's the issue.

01:03:27.349 --> 01:03:28.969
I don't know if we can have any Traitor Legion

01:03:28.969 --> 01:03:31.449
with a main character. The character arc is finished.

01:03:32.269 --> 01:03:37.090
The character arc is finished. Yeah, yeah. He's

01:03:37.090 --> 01:03:39.670
now a frothing monster. That's the concept, right?

01:03:40.070 --> 01:03:44.070
A lot of Traitor Legions have the one -dimensional

01:03:44.070 --> 01:03:47.000
problem. It's like... Thousand Suns, you've just

01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:49.400
got Ahriman. World Eaters, you've just got Khan.

01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:53.380
Death Guard, you've got Typhus. All the Emperor's

01:03:53.380 --> 01:03:55.219
Children, you've got Lucius. It's hard for the

01:03:55.219 --> 01:03:57.360
Corrupted Legions to be over A tier because all

01:03:57.360 --> 01:03:59.539
their 40k stuff is like the same thing most of

01:03:59.539 --> 01:04:03.039
the time. I wouldn't have an A, but I wouldn't.

01:04:03.099 --> 01:04:05.400
I don't know if S is fair. I do think they're

01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:08.980
A deserving. I think they're A tier too. I do

01:04:08.980 --> 01:04:13.849
love all of them. There is a pop book, but it's

01:04:13.849 --> 01:04:16.829
sharing with the word bearers there as well.

01:04:17.309 --> 01:04:19.030
Oh, we'll get to the word bearers when we get

01:04:19.030 --> 01:04:23.630
there. I honestly don't think that we can give

01:04:23.630 --> 01:04:27.369
them a tier if the 40k isn't... pulling up the

01:04:27.369 --> 01:04:33.769
30k. Look at my tag here. Colin deserves to be

01:04:33.769 --> 01:04:37.309
taken seriously. There's the tag here. And I

01:04:37.309 --> 01:04:41.530
think Colin is right. World Eaters, their character

01:04:41.530 --> 01:04:45.550
arc is finished in 40k. It is the summation of

01:04:45.550 --> 01:04:48.869
it all. And so because of that, I don't think

01:04:48.869 --> 01:04:50.789
the 40k being particularly exciting matters.

01:04:50.949 --> 01:04:59.340
It is finalized. I did like Firefist in the Black

01:04:59.340 --> 01:05:01.179
Legion book, Firefist, where he's just like a

01:05:01.179 --> 01:05:03.400
guy who was a world eater, and that's cool, but

01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:05.599
it's like they're always relegated to secondary

01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:06.920
characters now, which is a trouble. The world

01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:09.219
leader apothecary in the Dabby's File book's

01:05:09.219 --> 01:05:10.739
cool too. I don't remember his name, though.

01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:14.380
So much so that the big, corny leader of the

01:05:14.380 --> 01:05:16.800
Siege of Rax wasn't even a world eater. He was

01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:23.239
a renegade storm lord. Whatever, man. I'm just

01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:27.409
saying. How much care? I think they're always

01:05:27.409 --> 01:05:30.030
fun to read about. Their arguments are a lot

01:05:30.030 --> 01:05:31.949
easier to pull polls into than I think their

01:05:31.949 --> 01:05:36.670
fans. There's four people. Four people for right.

01:05:38.989 --> 01:05:40.929
Ultramarines, the greatest heroes of them all.

01:05:41.110 --> 01:05:45.349
Calm down. They're the greatest of us all. There's

01:05:45.349 --> 01:05:48.730
just so much slop. Matt Warren was right. There's

01:05:48.730 --> 01:05:53.210
so much slop. There is, but I love me Titus.

01:05:53.659 --> 01:05:57.360
Mr. Dump Truck himself. I do like the Cato Sicarius

01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:59.599
books sometimes. I like the Uriel Ventress stuff

01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:01.780
a lot because it's got Honsu in it and it's fun.

01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:04.340
They're dynamic. Ultramarines are better because

01:06:04.340 --> 01:06:08.159
of the Iron Warriors. Got it. Ultramarine fans

01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:11.820
sleep in race car beds. Their 30k stuff is hot

01:06:11.820 --> 01:06:15.000
water. 30k, there's no point. They're not in

01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.469
30k at all. They're just in rubbish books. Well,

01:06:18.489 --> 01:06:20.849
the cap is their one thing. And they get crushed.

01:06:21.550 --> 01:06:25.909
It completely deserves action. And I only feel

01:06:25.909 --> 01:06:27.769
it's cool. If we're going off the one thing of

01:06:27.769 --> 01:06:29.869
the horse heresy, put the iron hands down in

01:06:29.869 --> 01:06:32.389
F tier now, please. No, no, there are several

01:06:32.389 --> 01:06:35.909
books. They do a lot of stuff. Ultramen don't

01:06:35.909 --> 01:06:40.769
deserve F tier. Please. Bad horse heresy. Literally,

01:06:40.869 --> 01:06:43.010
the only reason they have good 40k books is because

01:06:43.010 --> 01:06:45.550
they have the most 40k books. And there's so

01:06:45.550 --> 01:06:49.289
much garbage. There's so much garbage. Endless

01:06:49.289 --> 01:06:51.090
skill issues. I feel like I'm in the middle of

01:06:51.090 --> 01:06:55.869
a divorce hearing. I guess we need to just be

01:06:55.869 --> 01:06:57.849
like, Ultramarines are obviously the poster boys,

01:06:57.909 --> 01:06:59.289
so they're kind of a divisive thing in itself.

01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:03.900
middle of the pack. It's top of B. B's not bad.

01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:09.440
It's the average. I am with Eli where the problem

01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:11.500
is not that they don't have good. The problem

01:07:11.500 --> 01:07:15.360
is that the bad is dragging the good down. There's

01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:18.579
a percentile issue here of how much good to how

01:07:18.579 --> 01:07:22.179
much mediocre. Where would you put them? Top

01:07:22.179 --> 01:07:23.820
of B is fine. They're ultramarines. They should

01:07:23.820 --> 01:07:26.719
be nice and clean in top of B, the perfect middle

01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:31.090
ground. Andy? Sorry, Colin. You're already going

01:07:31.090 --> 01:07:32.530
to say what I was going to say. I was going to

01:07:32.530 --> 01:07:33.849
say, should we go through some donuts? Yeah,

01:07:33.849 --> 01:07:36.690
that is what I was going to say. I read your

01:07:36.690 --> 01:07:40.570
mind, bro. Okay, we've got some audio. Audio

01:07:40.570 --> 01:07:42.610
free, free, free. For keeping us hostage for

01:07:42.610 --> 01:07:46.070
so long. It's the name of the game. Cool, man.

01:07:47.059 --> 01:07:49.460
So I'll start with three. Incoming backup. Genuine

01:07:49.460 --> 01:07:51.760
video. Leaving aside all the furry profit of

01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:53.619
Boingob stuff, you five YouTubers are the reason

01:07:53.619 --> 01:07:55.800
I got into Warhammer lore and found such a great

01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:57.920
community. Praise the round lord and his five

01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:02.420
ten head messengers. Thank you. Andy, I can power

01:08:02.420 --> 01:08:05.480
through some of these. okay i'll do i thought

01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:06.940
we'd do like for each but i'll do these ones

01:08:06.940 --> 01:08:09.059
because i know i know glenn uh xenon for five

01:08:09.059 --> 01:08:11.380
how can you reload your arms whilst owning that

01:08:11.380 --> 01:08:13.920
tash is that saying it's the henry cavill touch

01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:16.140
yeah it's the mission impossible things impossible

01:08:16.140 --> 01:08:19.420
can it get more curly now can you grow it to

01:08:19.420 --> 01:08:22.420
be more early i could probably do a full curl

01:08:22.420 --> 01:08:31.510
like that and get it that'd be awesome I spend

01:08:31.510 --> 01:08:33.949
30 bucks on the stream. Pay me attention, God.

01:08:34.130 --> 01:08:36.510
Thank you, Colin Waters, someone green hat for

01:08:36.510 --> 01:08:39.470
that. We've paid you attention. Thank you very

01:08:39.470 --> 01:08:42.609
much. Ross666 with a fiver. Thank you. Salamanders

01:08:42.609 --> 01:08:45.449
are my S rank. I'm sorry. Not because they are

01:08:45.449 --> 01:08:47.710
nice guys, but the fact they are popular despite

01:08:47.710 --> 01:08:52.829
GW attempts of killing off the faction. They're

01:08:52.829 --> 01:08:55.550
popular because they're nice guys. I hate to

01:08:55.550 --> 01:08:58.369
break it to you. RD23 with the five pounds. Question

01:08:58.369 --> 01:09:00.829
for Colin. Good Yanari lore, but you only play

01:09:00.829 --> 01:09:03.050
against K -Suns and Magic the Gathering for the

01:09:03.050 --> 01:09:05.270
rest of your life. If I had to do that, I'm hanging

01:09:05.270 --> 01:09:09.409
myself. I'm sorry, Yanari. Don't. No more turn

01:09:09.409 --> 01:09:12.289
one Sol Ring, turn three Magnus the Red. Kyle,

01:09:12.289 --> 01:09:14.189
would you read these next two from Gnomeus? Because

01:09:14.189 --> 01:09:16.090
I know you love his name so much. Gnomeus Chomsky

01:09:16.090 --> 01:09:18.630
for five euros. Conrad and his legion should

01:09:18.630 --> 01:09:21.010
have been purged with a second and eleventh legion.

01:09:21.010 --> 01:09:23.050
Yeah, that's right. That's bad. Probably, honestly,

01:09:23.329 --> 01:09:26.310
yeah. Gnomeus Chomsky, Iron Hands of Circe, the

01:09:26.310 --> 01:09:28.529
most underrated legion. Their stories in 30k

01:09:28.529 --> 01:09:30.250
with Salamanders and Raven Guard, one of the

01:09:30.250 --> 01:09:33.510
best touching stories. It is true. Depressing

01:09:33.510 --> 01:09:36.590
but touching. Ferris Manus lives. Primarch of

01:09:36.590 --> 01:09:39.000
the Legion of the Damned. I mean, If that's a

01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:42.100
leak thing for that, kill me. No, it's not a

01:09:42.100 --> 01:09:44.640
leak for that. It's just, it's copium. Yeah,

01:09:44.899 --> 01:09:50.260
totally. My only friend, The End, I think this

01:09:50.260 --> 01:09:53.000
is Mike judging off the Dallas for the lady PFP.

01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:56.340
Hanzo, the effing goat, also the new Nightmares

01:09:56.340 --> 01:09:59.260
book, The Remnant Blade is pretty fun. Night

01:09:59.260 --> 01:10:03.300
Lords, I assume you meant. Thank you. Someone

01:10:03.300 --> 01:10:11.069
on here will read it eventually. Mr. I literally

01:10:11.069 --> 01:10:13.329
have trouble reading, sorry. Ironhands have fantastic

01:10:13.329 --> 01:10:16.310
but depressing lore, in my opinion. Shadrach

01:10:16.310 --> 01:10:19.390
and Meduson was an OG. Also, Cardan Stronos has

01:10:19.390 --> 01:10:22.090
one that... Did we get a salute there? Has one

01:10:22.090 --> 01:10:24.270
of the greatest rises to power from any chapter.

01:10:24.550 --> 01:10:27.109
And Eli will appreciate that he's a huge fan

01:10:27.109 --> 01:10:31.819
of Tau weaponry. Yeah, baby. Oh, Colin, this

01:10:31.819 --> 01:10:34.079
is written all over. Baratheon's designated toilet

01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:36.420
with a 5CA. I can't wait for tiered to be an

01:10:36.420 --> 01:10:38.899
S tier. They won't be. I'll be walking into oncoming

01:10:38.899 --> 01:10:44.920
traffic. We have one for Bricky. Bricky, did

01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:48.119
you read Lord of Nights? This is returning. Uh,

01:10:48.220 --> 01:10:51.279
no, I have not yet. I hear it's very, very good.

01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:54.680
I know they talk about it in the Omnibus. I remember

01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:57.600
they're like, eh, Sahal's Terran born. I don't

01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.439
like that guy and stuff. We got one more maybe

01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:03.689
we can do. You're good. uh i guess i'll just

01:11:03.689 --> 01:11:05.149
read this i'll just read this one i guess okay

01:11:05.149 --> 01:11:07.729
277 you guys have helped me through the years

01:11:07.729 --> 01:11:10.649
inspired me to start my own channel studios just

01:11:10.649 --> 01:11:12.409
got to make the videos now also berkey i blame

01:11:12.409 --> 01:11:14.149
you and aderick my night lord starring arrival

01:11:14.149 --> 01:11:23.250
my eight points five k jesus christ mr john 40k

01:11:23.250 --> 01:11:27.770
oh yeah i don't even have that many points let's

01:11:27.770 --> 01:11:32.979
have like four thousand or i don't have I've

01:11:32.979 --> 01:11:35.680
sold some recently. I had 10 ,000 points of chaos.

01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:40.640
I think I have only about 6 ,000 nowadays. Death

01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:45.680
Guard. So how much does Lords of Silence carry

01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:50.880
this exactly? A lot. 40k lore. That's all they

01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:53.539
have, more or less. 30k lore. It's James Swallow

01:11:53.539 --> 01:11:58.680
and Chris Raitt. Isn't Chris Raitt good? Yeah.

01:11:58.939 --> 01:12:01.779
And James Swallow is also good. They are great

01:12:01.779 --> 01:12:03.800
in the Horde. He's down by Mortarion. Gusty's

01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:06.720
down by the Convoys. James Swallow coming up

01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.640
with Nathaniel Garrow and Grilgore and Typhus

01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:11.859
and blah blah blah. All the boys and then Chris

01:12:11.859 --> 01:12:13.880
being like I'm going to put people like Kypher

01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:16.920
Morag and I'm going to develop Mortarion. Chris

01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:20.140
and James blew it out of the park for 30k and

01:12:20.140 --> 01:12:22.840
seeing the two of them together I'm like Do we

01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:26.819
like Mortarion though? He's always been kind

01:12:26.819 --> 01:12:29.420
of a wet blanket for me. This is the downside

01:12:29.420 --> 01:12:32.399
which is like the death guard like horus heresy

01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:35.180
and 40k things they are good when they show up

01:12:35.180 --> 01:12:38.720
but it's always under this massive blanket of

01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:41.319
essentially there's a glaring problem with the

01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:44.800
legion is people can't get past the hypocrisy

01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:48.960
thing in general in motarian story or part of

01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:51.819
the legional in that sense and i get it which

01:12:51.819 --> 01:12:54.180
yeah i i would i would defend what i was slightly

01:12:54.180 --> 01:12:57.550
being like so someone's being a hypocrite finally

01:12:57.550 --> 01:13:00.829
someone 40k knows they're a hypocrite but um

01:13:00.829 --> 01:13:05.050
it is unfortunately it yeah like it does have

01:13:05.050 --> 01:13:07.770
a glaring issue and i think again motarin being

01:13:07.770 --> 01:13:10.670
even though you can be a bad guy but he's unlikable

01:13:10.670 --> 01:13:13.390
that's like yeah i don't find him interesting

01:13:13.390 --> 01:13:17.510
is the problem you know good past that i mean

01:13:17.510 --> 01:13:20.390
like i found him interesting in um i don't know

01:13:20.390 --> 01:13:22.810
if you've gotten to it yet but um the dark imperium

01:13:22.810 --> 01:13:27.050
trilogy like plague wars yeah he's side character

01:13:27.050 --> 01:13:29.909
in that but i like him in that because he's almost

01:13:29.909 --> 01:13:33.029
like he's he's the he was always meant to be

01:13:33.029 --> 01:13:37.390
they'll they'll always be in 40k resigned to

01:13:37.390 --> 01:13:40.489
the the mustache twirling villains thing but

01:13:40.489 --> 01:13:44.140
oh they do it well Like, I can't find a fault

01:13:44.140 --> 01:13:46.680
with the Death Guard because in 30k, they have

01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:49.159
the humanity side. They have so many characters,

01:13:49.420 --> 01:13:54.479
whether it's Kypher Morag or it's Typhus or Garrow

01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:58.039
or Solendaceous. They all go through that. Am

01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:00.159
I going to be chaos? Am I not? And they do it

01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:03.159
so well. And then 40k, they have to all be evil

01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:05.779
goobers. And when they're evil goobers, they

01:14:05.779 --> 01:14:08.020
do it well. Like that scene in Godblight was

01:14:08.020 --> 01:14:10.600
like, I'm going to fold this man into a billion

01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:14.739
folds. And he won't die. Oh, you're gross. I'll

01:14:14.739 --> 01:14:18.220
make one argument, which will settle it, which

01:14:18.220 --> 01:14:22.520
is it needs to go probably just under Ultramarines.

01:14:22.699 --> 01:14:25.880
There's one part of the lore which makes me giggle

01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:27.880
because it's funny. There's a thing called, you

01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.420
haven't got to yet. It's the tattle slug. if

01:14:30.420 --> 01:14:32.520
you know what I'm talking about, Eli. It's this

01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:36.960
little Nurgle demon thing that basically is like

01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:39.579
a little worm growth thing and acts as a little

01:14:39.579 --> 01:14:44.100
spy. That's great. And they have a little song.

01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:47.399
It's like, Dattleslug, Dattleslug. And I love

01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:51.319
the audiobook. He's like some... mafia boss being

01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:52.539
like, yeah, where do you need me to go, mate?

01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:59.060
And this is the thing. And then the demons of

01:14:59.060 --> 01:15:02.920
the comic relief. Honestly, I would put Death

01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:06.239
Guard in S tier. Because they do everything well.

01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:09.539
S tier? They are usually pretty fun when they

01:15:09.539 --> 01:15:12.560
show up. They always knock it out of the park.

01:15:12.699 --> 01:15:13.920
If you want them to be a villain, they're great.

01:15:16.140 --> 01:15:18.460
They're great. They're always great. i don't

01:15:18.460 --> 01:15:20.500
even like death guard but i'm like i they're

01:15:20.500 --> 01:15:22.399
great are we gonna put them on the same level

01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:24.859
though as like all of the back -to -back guard

01:15:24.859 --> 01:15:30.760
book hits you know what top of a as a compromise

01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:34.060
of like it does have some of the best 40k moments

01:15:34.060 --> 01:15:36.000
kind of in general but there is an overarching

01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:40.119
problem with it which is we It's not everyone's

01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:41.779
favorite. There's a reason it's not everyone's

01:15:41.779 --> 01:15:43.399
favorite. I think they're easy, eh? I just...

01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:45.859
Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I never really liked

01:15:45.859 --> 01:15:48.020
Death Guard, but I think maybe it's just more

01:15:48.020 --> 01:15:51.000
of like a... They just never really grabbed me.

01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:52.560
I think they have the chaos problem of like it's

01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:57.120
Typhus and Garrow, but like not much more. I'd

01:15:57.120 --> 01:15:59.020
never have a Death Guard army and I don't really

01:15:59.020 --> 01:16:02.220
like them as I like the Death Guard. But every

01:16:02.220 --> 01:16:04.279
time they show up, if you're fighting them, they're

01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:06.640
fun. If they're going through complex emotional

01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:09.479
turmoil in the 30k setting, they're great. If

01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:12.140
they're mustache -twirling villains with little

01:16:12.140 --> 01:16:15.159
nurglings being like, I'm the Colette Relief.

01:16:15.260 --> 01:16:18.920
They're fantastic. They're always fun in a weird,

01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:22.619
morbid way. For the next few... I'm sure we can

01:16:22.619 --> 01:16:25.079
almost speed run up to the Legion ones because

01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:29.220
a lot of these are going to be bad. I have no

01:16:29.220 --> 01:16:31.439
horse in the Thousand Suns race. I just don't

01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:33.920
care. I freaking hate Thousand Suns, man. They

01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:37.500
suck. Very briefly, it suffers from the problem

01:16:37.500 --> 01:16:43.239
of the lore itself is trying to be too high brain.

01:16:43.420 --> 01:16:48.920
It's trying to be too much. They do suffer from

01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:52.220
really good books and then really mid books.

01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:55.779
I've spoken to Horace Heresy, 40k Ahriman books.

01:16:55.979 --> 01:17:00.279
There's a few good ones. I'm going to smash my

01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:02.899
head against a wall because there's five Ahriman

01:17:02.899 --> 01:17:06.060
books and the fifth one basically reverts back

01:17:06.060 --> 01:17:09.020
in time to the end of the second book. So the

01:17:09.020 --> 01:17:10.600
fourth and the fifth book, nothing happened.

01:17:10.939 --> 01:17:14.760
I'm going to lose it. I've been told about that.

01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:16.979
I've had a lot of people crash out about that.

01:17:17.500 --> 01:17:22.680
Again, briefly, The complexity of the Legion,

01:17:22.699 --> 01:17:24.300
like, it gets across, like, they have different,

01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:26.579
like, magic cults and there's some cool stuff,

01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:32.819
but unfortunately, overall, Magnus... Oh, it's

01:17:32.819 --> 01:17:40.039
F. Sorry, I just noticed that. Magnus is on site.

01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:44.380
Magnus could... Magnus does suck. Magnus is so

01:17:44.380 --> 01:17:47.279
awful. He kills one of his own sons when he's

01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:49.220
like, oh, by the way, the Space Wolves are coming.

01:17:49.220 --> 01:17:52.520
He's an unjustifiable character in every aspect.

01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:56.539
He literally does the... I'm sorry, Mike. He

01:17:56.539 --> 01:17:58.380
does the Dr. Manhattan thing where he's like,

01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:01.289
hey, bro. I'm a captain in your legion. They're

01:18:01.289 --> 01:18:03.189
space wars. We should like maybe warn the civilians.

01:18:03.289 --> 01:18:07.109
He goes, lick my balls. What's that about, eh?

01:18:07.390 --> 01:18:10.250
He is kind of written like a moron's idea of

01:18:10.250 --> 01:18:15.819
a smart person. Yeah. Many such cases. Many such

01:18:15.819 --> 01:18:18.439
cases. The Emperor has a similar problem, if

01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:21.300
I'm not mistaken. We could go on for a while

01:18:21.300 --> 01:18:23.539
on that one, but I would say for the sake of

01:18:23.539 --> 01:18:27.119
brevity, can we please put Salamander's Raven

01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:33.140
Garden Alpha Legion in C as a grouping? Salamander's

01:18:33.140 --> 01:18:37.689
who? Raven Garden Alpha Legion. they have legion

01:18:37.689 --> 01:18:39.609
have one s tier book and then everything else

01:18:39.609 --> 01:18:42.010
is just like poop which is the s tier book i'm

01:18:42.010 --> 01:18:44.390
very curious legion legion is a great place because

01:18:44.390 --> 01:18:46.430
they're not even the main characters in it that's

01:18:46.430 --> 01:18:48.850
why it's so good i read the alfarius book and

01:18:48.850 --> 01:18:50.649
i was like this is fine actually that was cool

01:18:50.649 --> 01:18:53.449
too but it's not as it's like again right can

01:18:53.449 --> 01:18:58.770
i um off offer something i i know that uh fans

01:18:58.770 --> 01:19:00.310
of those three legions are gonna be very upset

01:19:00.310 --> 01:19:02.229
that we just i love the alpha through they're

01:19:02.229 --> 01:19:03.630
all my favorites no they're fun but they are

01:19:03.630 --> 01:19:06.050
i've read almost all their books so this is like

01:19:06.050 --> 01:19:08.189
an honest opinion most of their books are bad

01:19:08.189 --> 01:19:10.470
because the authors are not smart enough to write

01:19:10.470 --> 01:19:12.729
a good alpha legion book it's just how salamin

01:19:12.729 --> 01:19:15.529
salamanders have a nick time problem which is

01:19:15.529 --> 01:19:17.489
a shame because he does the four he does the

01:19:17.489 --> 01:19:21.489
30k and 40k something like oh oh baby i i stopped

01:19:21.489 --> 01:19:24.109
reading every salamander book i'm trying to know

01:19:24.109 --> 01:19:26.710
i couldn't get through i couldn't get this one

01:19:26.710 --> 01:19:29.930
sorry it has a great enough though His Marines

01:19:29.930 --> 01:19:32.170
malevolent stuff is actually okay. What did he

01:19:32.170 --> 01:19:33.869
mean by that, for what you will? What did he

01:19:33.869 --> 01:19:36.829
mean by this? Where are those next few chapters?

01:19:38.409 --> 01:19:41.489
We've got Wordbearers, Black Legion slash Sons

01:19:41.489 --> 01:19:43.470
of Horus, and then Black Templars, because I

01:19:43.470 --> 01:19:45.789
had to add them. I've read Shroud of Night, and

01:19:45.789 --> 01:19:51.510
it's okay. If I may. If I may. Wordbearers, straight

01:19:51.510 --> 01:19:54.960
to the top. Yes, please. Straight to the top.

01:19:55.060 --> 01:19:59.260
Yeah, you know it. Lorgar is such... This was

01:19:59.260 --> 01:20:04.439
right. Lorgar is an absolute hysterical character.

01:20:04.699 --> 01:20:07.439
He's such a villain. I love him. First Heretic

01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:10.659
is the Chaos Marine Bible book. I have not read

01:20:10.659 --> 01:20:12.279
the Omnibus, but I've been told that the Wordbearer

01:20:12.279 --> 01:20:15.340
Omnibus is fantastic. All I ever wanted was the

01:20:15.340 --> 01:20:18.960
truth. You know, you got Erebus, who I actually

01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:20.899
like a lot because he's just such a dick. I'm

01:20:20.899 --> 01:20:24.979
gonna... I would stick it all the way. This is

01:20:24.979 --> 01:20:29.000
huge news. Ricky's the goat. Ricky's the goat.

01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:34.979
This is good news. I hate to say it, but Black

01:20:34.979 --> 01:20:38.199
Legion, it's one of those things where overall,

01:20:38.579 --> 01:20:43.159
like again, Andy's about to pounce on me, but

01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:48.390
it has two good books. and then the over like

01:20:48.390 --> 01:20:52.090
it's massively let down by like the but the horse

01:20:52.090 --> 01:21:00.369
here is he's literally logan's giant nuts hold

01:21:00.369 --> 01:21:03.010
up the sons of horus by an extensive degree in

01:21:03.010 --> 01:21:07.949
my opinion yeah they're even there and let's

01:21:07.949 --> 01:21:13.210
not forget uh my boy tarik torgaden who i Who

01:21:13.210 --> 01:21:16.710
I think is me in Warhammer. Have you ever heard

01:21:16.710 --> 01:21:19.010
about Warhammer? Yeah, that's a little... Is

01:21:19.010 --> 01:21:21.970
that the case, Andy? Yeah, that's me. I'm Keanu

01:21:21.970 --> 01:21:26.689
Reeves, you know, of Warhammer 2. Oh, cool. Does

01:21:26.689 --> 01:21:32.510
Warhammer have Master Beast? Actually, I'm...

01:21:32.510 --> 01:21:37.109
Joe Grammaticus! What about C? Shout out to the

01:21:37.109 --> 01:21:40.869
gas station two weeks ago, the guy who shouted,

01:21:41.010 --> 01:21:46.840
Mr. Beast! Mr. Beast! Although, I got to put

01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:49.779
them in B. Yeah, but I was just for the American

01:21:49.779 --> 01:21:53.159
audience. Their Black Legion books are good.

01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:55.800
They're reliable villain of the week. They have

01:21:55.800 --> 01:22:01.220
some good stuff. Yeah. Sons of Horus is good.

01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:05.800
Like, they're good. Templars are A, unless you're

01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:07.960
considering the fact that you will find the most

01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:10.260
racist people alive in their fanbase, in which

01:22:10.260 --> 01:22:12.979
case they might even drop a little bit. Yeah,

01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:16.920
the Black Templar players and the Black Templar

01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:19.960
lore have quite the divide. Not all Black Templar

01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:24.979
fans, but always the Black Templar fans. They're

01:22:24.979 --> 01:22:28.300
very reliable of the Terran crusade. so they

01:22:28.300 --> 01:22:29.699
got hell's reach but there's like the whole thing

01:22:29.699 --> 01:22:32.060
of like the terran crusade one of them just charges

01:22:32.060 --> 01:22:34.260
uh cabanda i think it is when the corn ate great

01:22:34.260 --> 01:22:36.840
demons and then he dies but then guillemin's

01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:40.100
like thanks mate for wounding him i guess like

01:22:40.100 --> 01:22:41.939
they're always going for it they're always i

01:22:41.939 --> 01:22:44.180
haven't finished uh broken crusade i've just

01:22:44.180 --> 01:22:49.449
started it Sorry, Black Templar bros. Yet another

01:22:49.449 --> 01:22:53.710
Necron W. Oh, Eli, when we go, when Necrons arrive,

01:22:53.970 --> 01:22:55.949
we're just going to start completely jerking

01:22:55.949 --> 01:23:00.510
each other off at Mach speed. Are you respawning?

01:23:00.609 --> 01:23:03.550
I just killed you. That's not what happened!

01:23:03.750 --> 01:23:06.590
That's not what happened! I've got you down 17

01:23:06.590 --> 01:23:09.569
times! Stop respawning! I'm overstimulated by

01:23:09.569 --> 01:23:12.430
this podcast. But I would say they're not as

01:23:12.430 --> 01:23:15.390
good as Death Guard. I wouldn't say they're as

01:23:15.390 --> 01:23:18.310
good as Emperor's Children either. If we're putting

01:23:18.310 --> 01:23:20.630
them in A, I would put them pretty low in A,

01:23:20.729 --> 01:23:22.689
personally. Put them by world leaders. They're

01:23:22.689 --> 01:23:26.329
pretty similar vibes. There's something to be

01:23:26.329 --> 01:23:32.449
said about the Siege of Terror Sigismund plotline

01:23:32.449 --> 01:23:35.449
transformation. You see a character stop. He

01:23:35.449 --> 01:23:39.029
loses his sense of being an imperial fist and

01:23:39.029 --> 01:23:42.909
he turns into what becomes the essence of The

01:23:42.909 --> 01:23:47.229
entire chapter essentially is the utter hollowness

01:23:47.229 --> 01:23:50.310
of losing your humanity and just becoming a weapon

01:23:50.310 --> 01:23:53.810
is one of the coolest and slash the fight scenes,

01:23:54.010 --> 01:23:57.470
which have Sigismund always pretty special. But

01:23:57.470 --> 01:24:00.069
I mean, it's really hard because it's like, and

01:24:00.069 --> 01:24:03.140
it's really. there's something about its general

01:24:03.140 --> 01:24:05.659
sense. They have the uniqueness about them. They

01:24:05.659 --> 01:24:08.859
hate the witch. The witch, the psycho, they have

01:24:08.859 --> 01:24:11.319
a uniqueness to them that many others below them

01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:15.300
don't have. More than any other faction of the

01:24:15.300 --> 01:24:17.859
Imperium, they are a touchstone to reclaiming

01:24:17.859 --> 01:24:20.039
their humanity, which is kind of odd. Whether

01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:23.340
it's Sigismund, whether it's Hell's Reach, there's

01:24:23.340 --> 01:24:25.359
moments where they're like, Grimaldus, humans,

01:24:25.539 --> 01:24:27.579
they are a mystery to me. But also he's the one

01:24:27.579 --> 01:24:30.479
who's like, you changed me. I came to this annoying

01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:32.539
world, which I called like a graveyard and I

01:24:32.539 --> 01:24:35.000
hate it. And I hate how many people died. But

01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:37.779
like, I became a better person by things like,

01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:41.449
hang on you. you're not supposed to be a good

01:24:41.449 --> 01:24:44.869
person you're a templar you're a nasty boy isn't

01:24:44.869 --> 01:24:46.649
that the point of hell's reach where they're

01:24:46.649 --> 01:24:50.069
like being less like black templars yeah they're

01:24:50.069 --> 01:24:52.649
kind of like salamanders are cringe they're saving

01:24:52.649 --> 01:24:55.510
civilians but it's also like oh well we're not

01:24:55.510 --> 01:24:57.670
going to go that far but we'll kind of be nicer

01:24:57.670 --> 01:24:59.850
to them i guess by the way could we uh could

01:24:59.850 --> 01:25:01.689
we just skip the middleman and put leagues of

01:25:01.689 --> 01:25:03.829
votan i'm seeing it later on the list it's into

01:25:03.829 --> 01:25:12.729
f tier yeah We're jumping ahead. Let me explain

01:25:12.729 --> 01:25:16.270
this one for you. First of all, amazing how the

01:25:16.270 --> 01:25:19.289
man who thinks the Iron Hands are great is going

01:25:19.289 --> 01:25:21.590
to criticize someone of having no lore. That's

01:25:21.590 --> 01:25:29.710
a huge take. Let me look at this. I know very

01:25:29.710 --> 01:25:31.949
much there's different ways to look at 40k. You

01:25:31.949 --> 01:25:33.930
can look at it like Rule of Cool, Dawn of War.

01:25:34.090 --> 01:25:36.109
You can get really into the characters. Both

01:25:36.109 --> 01:25:38.770
are valid. I'm not going to look at the space

01:25:38.770 --> 01:25:42.430
dwarfs who eat planets for capitalism and they're

01:25:42.430 --> 01:25:46.470
gods of machinery and go, yeah, that's not cool.

01:25:46.569 --> 01:25:48.510
You know what I want more of? I want more daddy

01:25:48.510 --> 01:25:51.409
issues. That's what will fix this faction. But

01:25:51.409 --> 01:25:55.069
that's why we're here. I have two fathers and

01:25:55.069 --> 01:25:57.130
I love them both. I'm sorry. I can't relate.

01:25:57.529 --> 01:26:00.109
It's not much, Al, but all I'm going to say is

01:26:00.109 --> 01:26:02.829
right now, Hal, you having a go at the Votan

01:26:02.829 --> 01:26:05.630
is like beating up a toddler because they've

01:26:05.630 --> 01:26:09.659
just gotten started. Think about that. Listen,

01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:12.779
the Votan Codex came out. I opened that shit

01:26:12.779 --> 01:26:16.420
up. I learned about the ancestor core and the

01:26:16.420 --> 01:26:18.380
constant problems of re -uploading their consciousness

01:26:18.380 --> 01:26:21.020
to them. I see hardcore capitalistic contracts

01:26:21.020 --> 01:26:23.720
and stuff. I see their general vibe. And I think

01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:29.140
to myself, damn, B tier. There's not enough to

01:26:29.140 --> 01:26:31.420
make them A or S. I think they're super sick,

01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:33.000
but I don't think they're going to go any higher

01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:36.460
than that. I like Lego Power Miners. Unholster

01:26:36.460 --> 01:26:38.960
the means of negotiation is the hardest line

01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:42.319
in all of Fortnite. It's pretty good, yeah. Also,

01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:45.880
I love the robots. I think it's a sick concept.

01:26:46.399 --> 01:26:50.380
I love the general... Have any of us read their

01:26:50.380 --> 01:26:58.170
book? I've got it. I haven't read it. It is a

01:26:58.170 --> 01:27:03.310
B. It is the book you would expect a new faction

01:27:03.310 --> 01:27:05.489
to get where it is almost entirely lore related

01:27:05.489 --> 01:27:07.630
and the characters are completely whatever and

01:27:07.630 --> 01:27:10.189
it teaches you a lot about the lore of the character.

01:27:10.970 --> 01:27:14.789
But it is not there is not a lot much past that.

01:27:14.850 --> 01:27:17.909
That's why it's B. I'm going to say something

01:27:17.909 --> 01:27:21.720
very divisive but I think it's warranted. In

01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:25.600
terms of who they'd be in real life, parallels

01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:29.760
to where we are right now, if we're honest, Votan,

01:27:29.939 --> 01:27:33.739
the AI fans, these are the guys who'd be like...

01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:37.060
I'm making AI YouTube content. Yeah, well, if

01:27:37.060 --> 01:27:39.199
we're going off of that, then almost every faction

01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:44.100
we've talked about is the Third Reich. I saw

01:27:44.100 --> 01:27:46.760
the dog, and the dog was happy. So I pet the

01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:49.180
dog, and the dog was happy. And then the dog

01:27:49.180 --> 01:27:52.819
was going to pony. I gotta be honest, man, this

01:27:52.819 --> 01:27:54.859
isn't even a non -sequitur. You're like playing

01:27:54.859 --> 01:27:58.279
a different game. You know, there's a Battletech

01:27:58.279 --> 01:28:00.819
room tierless across the way if you want to talk

01:28:00.819 --> 01:28:04.890
more about AI. I'm just messing. Can I be there?

01:28:04.989 --> 01:28:09.550
I hate it here. Votan belongs in top of C because

01:28:09.550 --> 01:28:13.289
it's not on the same level as the rest of everything

01:28:13.289 --> 01:28:19.210
in B. It's just not. I do have an issue putting

01:28:19.210 --> 01:28:23.390
it next to Black Legion. That does feel a little

01:28:23.390 --> 01:28:26.210
tough. Fair enough. That was a good reason, Hal.

01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:29.100
I think so. I think that's a fine compromise,

01:28:29.220 --> 01:28:31.579
but putting them down with, like, fucking one

01:28:31.579 --> 01:28:33.739
I and F, I don't think it's okay. Yeah, but,

01:28:33.779 --> 01:28:35.760
like, I think the main thing about both of them

01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:37.239
is, like, let them cook. They've got one book.

01:28:37.399 --> 01:28:39.579
Yeah. They'll get there. They'll get there, maybe.

01:28:39.899 --> 01:28:41.779
If it gets better, I'll give it a chance. Is

01:28:41.779 --> 01:28:44.439
it Grey Knights? Grey Knights. Turn the match

01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:52.180
to three. This is... I don't know. I think they're

01:28:52.180 --> 01:28:55.430
fine in B. I'm going to say... I think... revealing

01:28:55.430 --> 01:28:57.350
the terminus decree could only lead to failure.

01:28:57.430 --> 01:28:59.689
I think what they gave is about the best they

01:28:59.689 --> 01:29:02.289
could do with it. I don't think that. I don't

01:29:02.289 --> 01:29:04.630
think it's good. I do honestly think that's the

01:29:04.630 --> 01:29:08.810
best they can do with it. You are correct in

01:29:08.810 --> 01:29:11.170
your initial statement of revealing it was the

01:29:11.170 --> 01:29:13.250
wrong decision in general. No, yeah, they should

01:29:13.250 --> 01:29:15.250
never have touched that. No, without a doubt.

01:29:15.350 --> 01:29:19.789
But also, it's just like, if I was told to sit

01:29:19.789 --> 01:29:21.770
down and write the terminus decrees, I have to.

01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:23.939
i don't know man i think i could have thought

01:29:23.939 --> 01:29:26.319
something better than that and i try i try not

01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:28.680
to insert myself in that way but like i don't

01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:31.100
know man i honestly feel like it would be either

01:29:31.100 --> 01:29:33.960
that or starting some kind of horus heresy round

01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:38.380
two oh here we see This is like them going around

01:29:38.380 --> 01:29:41.460
murdering space marines. They snort like Malkador's

01:29:41.460 --> 01:29:43.359
ashes or something. You know what? They did that.

01:29:43.880 --> 01:29:48.800
I feel like a simple thing would be like Terminus

01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:51.520
Decree, you get to have the full support of the

01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:53.880
Administratum, therefore the Minotaurs get involved.

01:29:54.220 --> 01:29:58.020
That's like an easy fix. You bring in the absolute

01:29:58.020 --> 01:30:01.140
dickheads of the setting to help you wrestle

01:30:01.140 --> 01:30:03.319
him off the throne. At least then, that's like

01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:06.949
the same chapter that's like... Valerian being

01:30:06.949 --> 01:30:09.489
like, I don't know if I can take that guy. That

01:30:09.489 --> 01:30:12.369
guy scares me. And I'm a custodian. That's an

01:30:12.369 --> 01:30:15.569
easy fix. Look, they go and be... And I got a

01:30:15.569 --> 01:30:17.710
shout out to Kaldar Drago for briefly showing

01:30:17.710 --> 01:30:22.369
up in Age of Sigmar. Wasn't that retconned? No,

01:30:22.369 --> 01:30:24.489
that was a completely different thing. He saw

01:30:24.489 --> 01:30:28.470
a world of eight realms of magic ruled by a god

01:30:28.470 --> 01:30:32.329
king. It was like, well, that's so stupid, but

01:30:32.329 --> 01:30:35.630
I'm so glad it exists. Let's remove the Terminus

01:30:35.630 --> 01:30:37.470
Decree from this, because that's fairly recent.

01:30:37.630 --> 01:30:40.630
If we just go off like, do you like tangerines?

01:30:40.750 --> 01:30:45.250
Like, um, Chaos Gate, Demon Hunter new version

01:30:45.250 --> 01:30:50.520
game is cool. It is lore. Don't they kill Mortarion?

01:30:50.819 --> 01:30:57.800
They banish him. And they did it before. This

01:30:57.800 --> 01:31:03.319
is rude. I'm gonna stand it in here. Crazy statement

01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:07.039
there. The Grey Knights have a thing where its

01:31:07.039 --> 01:31:11.800
potential is a letdown of what its potential

01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:16.060
could be. It's on paper. it could like it's like

01:31:16.060 --> 01:31:18.520
you know it's a fully functioning elite psycho

01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:22.039
force with the emperor's genesee which is amazing

01:31:22.039 --> 01:31:25.359
but yet again unfortunately too many things it's

01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:27.439
like kind of with parts of the death card there's

01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:30.659
an overall like something is let down about it

01:31:30.659 --> 01:31:33.380
and i i actually played grey knights as well

01:31:33.380 --> 01:31:37.279
i like grey knights my first army yeah i love

01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:41.479
my love me baby carriers Love it. I love how

01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:43.819
stupid it is. I love how stupid it is. I like

01:31:43.819 --> 01:31:47.020
the baby carrier, I gotta be honest. I like their

01:31:47.020 --> 01:31:49.439
other models a lot. I think they just gotta sculpt

01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:50.640
it a little different. Don't get me wrong, I

01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:52.960
think it's hideous, but I love it for that. Well,

01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:54.460
yes, I know why you love it for some reason.

01:31:54.939 --> 01:31:57.880
It's like a pug. It's barely breathing. It shouldn't

01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:00.279
be moving. It shouldn't exist. As far as it's

01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:05.220
too tight. Me when I exercise. Can I ask you

01:32:05.220 --> 01:32:09.319
guys an opinion on an idea I had about the Grey

01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:12.199
Knights in general? You've got the Secretrix,

01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:15.000
Maledix, and Split in the Galaxy in Twain. Their

01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:17.520
whole thing is they fight chaos. I thought it

01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:20.600
would be really interesting. On the way to fighting

01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:26.039
chaos, they have to get by fighting Xenos and

01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:28.659
Heretics. They're not built for that. But they

01:32:28.659 --> 01:32:30.720
have to get to the place they want to be, and

01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:32.479
therefore their stories could be like, oh, we

01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:34.619
have to ally with the Space Marine chapter. Kind

01:32:34.619 --> 01:32:36.060
of like Pandorax. We're like, we don't really

01:32:36.060 --> 01:32:37.539
want to be here. We don't really want to be doing

01:32:37.539 --> 01:32:40.399
this, like, grunt work. But we have to do it

01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:42.180
if we want to, like, get to the real objective.

01:32:42.939 --> 01:32:45.720
That's my point, though, Andy. Like, it's in

01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:49.060
the potential. And, like, I think they're, honestly,

01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:51.289
they're fine where they are, I think. they're

01:32:51.289 --> 01:32:53.710
fine where they are but again i i guess i would

01:32:53.710 --> 01:33:04.399
put top of c personally but if it was No, we're

01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:07.060
not doing aesthetics. Believe me, if it was aesthetics,

01:33:07.279 --> 01:33:11.800
they'd almost all be up there. Yeah. Who is this?

01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:16.840
Wait, wait, wait. I have to explain this. This

01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:19.279
is Death Watch, but I picked this specific character

01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:24.760
because this character is the last remaining

01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:29.739
astral core, right? Oh, that's cool. This character

01:33:29.739 --> 01:33:33.039
was in the Death Watch. before they turn traitor

01:33:33.039 --> 01:33:36.180
and stay stuck. There is so much potential for

01:33:36.180 --> 01:33:39.699
Death Watch, and yet... Can I... We killed the

01:33:39.699 --> 01:33:41.699
aliens. Hang on, hang on. We killed the aliens,

01:33:41.779 --> 01:33:43.779
and we make sure you don't kill Swinesh. Hang

01:33:43.779 --> 01:33:46.859
on. I will try and make it quick. Let me just

01:33:46.859 --> 01:33:50.399
argue for Bea overall. They're very cool. Like,

01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:53.180
a Death Watch, in concept, it's not that deep.

01:33:53.220 --> 01:33:55.359
It's kill aliens, but, like, it's such, like,

01:33:55.420 --> 01:33:58.140
a cool little thing in lore. Grab everyone we

01:33:58.140 --> 01:34:00.180
can, make them real good at killing aliens, go

01:34:00.180 --> 01:34:03.090
get them. The only problem is they can't be that

01:34:03.090 --> 01:34:06.789
deep, and they ruin the Yanari, so I hate them

01:34:06.789 --> 01:34:10.729
for it. And also, real pet peeve, four of them

01:34:10.729 --> 01:34:14.270
die to, like, the middest Tyranid fighters in

01:34:14.270 --> 01:34:15.890
the intro to Space Marine 2. They are, like,

01:34:15.890 --> 01:34:18.810
the ultimate background detail. Space Marine

01:34:18.810 --> 01:34:21.510
2 is goofy. A Space Wolf Death Watch guy died

01:34:21.510 --> 01:34:25.810
to one warrior? I realize I'm muted, yeah. I

01:34:25.810 --> 01:34:27.489
was about to say, sorry. No, the opening of Space

01:34:27.489 --> 01:34:28.989
Marine 2 is my favorite part of that game. I

01:34:28.989 --> 01:34:31.779
think all the Death Watches suck. um but i also

01:34:31.779 --> 01:34:34.760
i'm with colin in the sense that uh i think the

01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:37.380
death watch are not very deep however the fact

01:34:37.380 --> 01:34:40.279
that they come from different legions is the

01:34:40.279 --> 01:34:42.399
selling point and that makes them interesting

01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:45.960
i also enjoy the radical nature of them where

01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:48.439
they are open to using strange things like xenophobes

01:34:48.439 --> 01:34:50.600
blades and so on i find that interesting i only

01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:53.100
think b i don't go any higher they're the they're

01:34:53.100 --> 01:34:56.119
the ultimate background they can't go above that

01:34:56.980 --> 01:35:00.279
Eli, have you read the short story about Solomon

01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:03.920
Akura from the Alpha Legion? He has every name.

01:35:04.699 --> 01:35:09.239
Let me pitch it to you, Eli, because you'll like

01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:11.619
this, right? It's Mike Brooks' short story. It's

01:35:11.619 --> 01:35:13.619
like a prequel to his book about Solomon Akura.

01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:17.579
He has a tango with the Death Watch and he pits

01:35:17.579 --> 01:35:20.239
them against each other because there's a Dark

01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:22.560
Angel successor looking for the Fallen. I think

01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:25.479
you told me about this before. but there's all

01:35:25.479 --> 01:35:28.079
these different chapters who are all like we're

01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:31.840
all united but actually we all have our own agendas

01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:33.220
like i think there's a blood angel successor

01:35:33.220 --> 01:35:35.979
there's a space wars and like he preys on their

01:35:35.979 --> 01:35:39.199
weaknesses until they turn on one another and

01:35:39.199 --> 01:35:41.779
it was so well written i was like that's fantastic

01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:44.899
But it's not good for the Death Watch, but it

01:35:44.899 --> 01:35:48.159
does at least add like a level of, oh, this is

01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:50.279
an exploitable weakness of the Death Watch. That's

01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:52.159
kind of cool. Do you know the name of this short

01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:54.020
story? Because I want to read it. I will check.

01:35:54.500 --> 01:35:58.180
I don't want to be this guy, but please, holy

01:35:58.180 --> 01:36:01.420
fuck, can we move on? I'm assuming this is Ray

01:36:01.420 --> 01:36:07.640
Corsair slash Astro Claws. B is fine. I think

01:36:07.640 --> 01:36:10.430
Huron is cool, and that's about it. You know

01:36:10.430 --> 01:36:13.649
what? Can we skip towards some of the Xenos?

01:36:13.750 --> 01:36:15.670
Because we haven't even talked about the Xenos.

01:36:15.689 --> 01:36:20.210
All right. So we got Eldar in general, Craftwelders.

01:36:20.409 --> 01:36:23.149
Because every book that isn't a codex is bad.

01:36:23.630 --> 01:36:27.010
I was going to say, I like Eldar. I like Eldar

01:36:27.010 --> 01:36:29.689
in terms of their aspect warriors, general concept,

01:36:29.770 --> 01:36:32.770
and feudal Japanese vibe. And every book I've

01:36:32.770 --> 01:36:34.829
ever read of them has not been good. Oh, dude.

01:36:34.869 --> 01:36:37.149
You read the Codexes? They're the coolest faction

01:36:37.149 --> 01:36:40.729
ever. You read their books? I think C2, then.

01:36:40.850 --> 01:36:43.810
If it's literally just Codex lore and it's just

01:36:43.810 --> 01:36:47.770
bad book, it's just C2. Mechanicus is A. Oh,

01:36:47.930 --> 01:36:50.710
A. They have cool moments and cool characters.

01:36:51.930 --> 01:36:54.470
Shore Mechanics can be an A. That's fine. They're

01:36:54.470 --> 01:36:57.529
John Warhammer. Harlequins can be an A, I guess.

01:36:58.729 --> 01:37:01.489
They are fun. They just don't have much. Are

01:37:01.489 --> 01:37:05.770
Harlequins in A? You're right. It's too much.

01:37:06.350 --> 01:37:09.930
They're in the Tricari 70. They have a short

01:37:09.930 --> 01:37:14.680
story. The characters show up a lot. Should we

01:37:14.680 --> 01:37:18.739
just do Necrons next? Necrons are S tier. Necrons

01:37:18.739 --> 01:37:22.000
are S tier. It's not even a question. I would

01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:23.840
maybe put it top of S, honestly. There's not

01:37:23.840 --> 01:37:28.060
a bad Necron book. No. The Necron lore revitalization

01:37:28.060 --> 01:37:30.239
has been the best case of them doing a retcon,

01:37:30.340 --> 01:37:33.819
I think, in ever. It's fantastic. It's ridiculously

01:37:33.819 --> 01:37:36.739
good. obviously book recommendations obviously

01:37:36.739 --> 01:37:39.279
out the wazoo is infinite divine twice dead king

01:37:39.279 --> 01:37:42.319
i think yeah i think twice the king ruin is better

01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:47.340
than infinite divine if i'm being honest it's

01:37:47.340 --> 01:37:52.279
a fantastic book i don't agree with you on that

01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:55.199
calm down eli calm down eli it's a great book

01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:57.619
i just think that ruins does more for the necron

01:37:57.619 --> 01:38:01.560
faction that's all i'm saying major i'm gonna

01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:05.010
stand treason Twice Dead King gives you lore

01:38:05.010 --> 01:38:08.109
from the entire faction in both books. It's awesome.

01:38:10.909 --> 01:38:13.989
Severed with Zandrek. It's the best freaking

01:38:13.989 --> 01:38:16.329
book ever. I love you Zandrek. I love you Oberon.

01:38:18.230 --> 01:38:19.710
They're also cool when they're the villains.

01:38:19.909 --> 01:38:24.630
Because Tau is the one where he suffers from

01:38:24.630 --> 01:38:29.289
height. I was just going to mute and let Eli

01:38:29.289 --> 01:38:31.670
go, but please. They're B. They're B because

01:38:31.670 --> 01:38:34.010
the Eldar are C because they have zero good books

01:38:34.010 --> 01:38:35.630
and good codex lore. The Tau have good codex

01:38:35.630 --> 01:38:38.810
lore and a few good books and then a few of the

01:38:38.810 --> 01:38:40.970
worst books in all 40k, but I think they're good

01:38:40.970 --> 01:38:42.850
enough books puts them in B tier. Elemental Council

01:38:42.850 --> 01:38:45.390
is really good. Fire Warrior is awesome. I have

01:38:45.390 --> 01:38:46.869
not read Firecast, but I've heard it's really

01:38:46.869 --> 01:38:50.149
good. Fire Warrior, the book, not the game, right?

01:38:50.270 --> 01:38:54.850
Because the game sucks. Absolute abysmal dog

01:38:54.850 --> 01:38:57.770
shit. Everything written by Phil Kelly is literally

01:38:57.770 --> 01:39:01.029
awful. Almost unreadable. It's a Halo killer.

01:39:01.640 --> 01:39:03.800
Yeah, the only thing that killed Kayla was itself.

01:39:04.039 --> 01:39:06.439
Dude, I was a Destiny head, too. There's always

01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:09.760
the killer. Oh, thank you so very much. Oh, it's

01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:15.640
here. Fantastic. Cheers, my man. Cheers, Colin.

01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:19.119
Thank you so very much. Remind the people again

01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:22.420
what this is. Fireball, Monster Energy, Zero

01:39:22.420 --> 01:39:25.560
Ultra, and Corona Light. And I have a lemon wedge

01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:28.539
as well. Salud. Hail to the Infinite Empire.

01:39:29.420 --> 01:39:33.289
That's right. what's his name he's a name this

01:39:33.289 --> 01:39:37.430
doesn't suck this is good no it's not horrible

01:39:37.430 --> 01:39:40.470
it's bad and like uh you keep drinking it you're

01:39:40.470 --> 01:39:42.250
gonna keep drinking it and it's gonna get slowly

01:39:42.250 --> 01:39:45.250
worse no i mean i will not feel good after this

01:39:45.250 --> 01:39:48.609
but it's good no it's it's not horrible in a

01:39:48.609 --> 01:39:50.250
lot as much as you know i played it up a bit

01:39:50.250 --> 01:39:52.810
it isn't horrible this is actually quite good

01:39:52.810 --> 01:39:54.770
the worst part of it is the corona the corona

01:39:54.770 --> 01:39:59.399
is the worst part really the funny I would recommend

01:39:59.399 --> 01:40:01.960
a, uh, if you ever had Coke and fireball and

01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:05.619
Coke. Oh yeah. I mean the college days, my college

01:40:05.619 --> 01:40:13.439
days were much cheaper than yours. Oh God. Now.

01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:20.100
Oh yeah. Nowadays. No, but these damn, uh, these

01:40:20.100 --> 01:40:22.520
damn Brits were trying to get me to have Sambuca

01:40:22.520 --> 01:40:27.539
all the time. Dog shits. It's the worst drink

01:40:27.539 --> 01:40:30.939
I've ever had in my life. It's terrible. Sambuca

01:40:30.939 --> 01:40:33.479
sucks. I'm sorry. I saw that you were trying

01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:36.680
to do some donations, Andy, I assume. Well, we

01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:39.319
can get for a few. There's not many. Okay, but

01:40:39.319 --> 01:40:42.399
we are in agreement. Necrons are top, yeah? Yeah.

01:40:43.220 --> 01:40:46.340
Excellent. Good, good. They are the rivals of

01:40:46.340 --> 01:40:49.180
the other real faction, the Illgar. So we got

01:40:49.180 --> 01:40:52.159
RT -23 for five. Guys, Ultramarines, Laura's

01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:55.189
S. Meanwhile, Kalgar 1v1 the Lord of Skulls and

01:40:55.189 --> 01:40:57.970
Uriel beat a Catan Shard. Actually, no. Law of

01:40:57.970 --> 01:41:01.109
Crime, Uriel did not beat a Catan Shard. That

01:41:01.109 --> 01:41:07.529
was Cato Sicarius. That doesn't... I like Kalgar

01:41:07.529 --> 01:41:09.750
more than Cato Sicarius. Look, I'm just saying,

01:41:09.810 --> 01:41:11.750
how many other factions have a Marvel comic?

01:41:11.970 --> 01:41:15.920
It's none. Calgar has aura, man. Calgar has the

01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:19.739
most aura in all of 40k. Calgar is a force of

01:41:19.739 --> 01:41:31.960
nature. He's a brick house that just goes. Reminder,

01:41:32.060 --> 01:41:35.859
Mortarion got wrecked by Garrow and Drago. And

01:41:35.859 --> 01:41:40.399
Jagatai. Jagatai, absolutely, yeah. Verbally

01:41:40.399 --> 01:41:44.220
and physically. Yeah. An eggplant for five. Diggy,

01:41:44.260 --> 01:41:46.579
why put Mongolian space marines defending your

01:41:46.579 --> 01:41:48.960
version of the Great Wall of China? Don't worry

01:41:48.960 --> 01:41:51.439
about it. Don't worry about it. Curious. Imperial

01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:56.859
Fisk has a poop fault. Skibbity Fisk. H3277 Harold.

01:41:58.039 --> 01:41:59.880
Fiverr, in my defense, been build up the bug

01:41:59.880 --> 01:42:03.220
since 2019. Hey, man, good for you. LME Monsters

01:42:03.220 --> 01:42:05.119
and the edgy boys simple as ignore the six other

01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:07.119
armies. Too true. I own all of them. Yeah, I

01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:10.130
know how you beat. I know how that beat. Vin

01:42:10.130 --> 01:42:11.970
with the tenor, first time catching y 'all live.

01:42:12.149 --> 01:42:14.029
Now, Colin, tell Ricky how the Leagues of Otan

01:42:14.029 --> 01:42:16.869
are just religious sci -fi caradron overlords.

01:42:17.189 --> 01:42:19.689
That's cool. That's sick as hell. I like the

01:42:19.689 --> 01:42:21.770
idea. They got the cool balloons and shit. I'm

01:42:21.770 --> 01:42:23.550
fine with that. Both of those factions are sick,

01:42:23.590 --> 01:42:25.869
and I'll die on that hill. I'm going to read

01:42:25.869 --> 01:42:28.590
this one. Xenon, Andy can vouch. I can't always

01:42:28.590 --> 01:42:29.930
attend the live shows, but thank you all for

01:42:29.930 --> 01:42:32.369
this gathering. Among us, twerk, bricky nose.

01:42:33.329 --> 01:42:36.390
I really like sending the twerking among us gif.

01:42:36.430 --> 01:42:38.890
I love that gif. It's the only gif in my favorites

01:42:38.890 --> 01:42:41.649
on Discord. Yeah, it's a great gif. Is it coming

01:42:41.649 --> 01:42:45.489
back around to being funny again? It was always

01:42:45.489 --> 01:42:49.989
funny, Hal. It was never funny. Because it's

01:42:49.989 --> 01:42:52.430
not funny, it's now funny. The audience finds

01:42:52.430 --> 01:42:56.310
it funny. It's a Tommy Wiseau effect. Eli, the

01:42:56.310 --> 01:42:59.810
next couple? Anzer, Ron, Ninger the Five. Glad

01:42:59.810 --> 01:43:01.670
to finally catch you all live. Thank you, Colin.

01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:04.079
Colon, sorry, for the Battletech addiction. So

01:43:04.079 --> 01:43:06.319
happy to help. Iron Warriors are S -tier Iron

01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:09.539
Caves. That's right. Number one win against those

01:43:09.539 --> 01:43:13.380
Cringe Fists. Cool job. Carl, this is for you.

01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:16.840
Hey Colin, it's time for you to say the uwu magic

01:43:16.840 --> 01:43:21.479
rar uwu xd owo meow owo meow uwu neko uwu chan

01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:29.319
tihi uwu uwu ihi kawaii. I'm not proud of myself

01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:31.140
for being able to read that out without stuttering,

01:43:31.279 --> 01:43:33.359
but it's the internet. It is what it is. Shout

01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:36.300
out to the grandkids in Barris. I don't give

01:43:36.300 --> 01:43:38.699
a shit. I'm going to pay for the grandkids' future,

01:43:38.899 --> 01:43:43.539
so fuck off. And Hal, this one's for you. Oh.

01:43:44.060 --> 01:43:46.539
Name is Chomsky putting Leagues of Wotan above

01:43:46.539 --> 01:43:49.579
Salamanders' Diamond Bombers. No, it's deserved.

01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:52.840
Leagues of Wotan have one okay book. Salamanders

01:43:52.840 --> 01:43:58.300
have five bad ones. 550. I'd rather trap my foreskin

01:43:58.300 --> 01:44:02.060
in a door than read a Salamanders novel. Drukari?

01:44:02.199 --> 01:44:05.840
I love their trilogy. I think the Drukari are

01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:07.680
A -tier. I think they're actually very good.

01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:11.079
The Big Daka, the Orc book, was a fantastic Drukari

01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:14.529
book. I think even ignoring The Drukhari are

01:44:14.529 --> 01:44:17.649
the one Xenos faction GW has written so well

01:44:17.649 --> 01:44:21.430
and to form that they're like the only ones that

01:44:21.430 --> 01:44:24.609
the standard Imperium fan is like, yeah, they're

01:44:24.609 --> 01:44:27.609
horrifying. You blow your head off before a Dark

01:44:27.609 --> 01:44:29.930
Eldar captures you. Anyone will admit that. And

01:44:29.930 --> 01:44:31.609
the fact that they've been able to do that and

01:44:31.609 --> 01:44:34.270
make that attitude a thing, I think speaks volumes

01:44:34.270 --> 01:44:36.010
for how well they've written the Drukhari. Isn't

01:44:36.010 --> 01:44:40.159
it crazy how my favorite... dark elder stuff

01:44:40.159 --> 01:44:42.979
is in an orc book because yeah the big the big

01:44:42.979 --> 01:44:49.079
daca is an amazing part where he um where he

01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:51.420
talks in the jail cell with the archon is like

01:44:51.420 --> 01:44:54.060
the best it's it's a phenomenal exchange like

01:44:54.060 --> 01:44:56.319
he's souped up so he's even bigger like in the

01:44:56.319 --> 01:44:58.699
cave yeah he's like really smart now and he's

01:44:58.699 --> 01:45:00.960
like oh if i die who cares i went out fighting

01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:03.239
and this archon is like that i i've i cannot

01:45:03.239 --> 01:45:09.220
fathom this this line of thinking you know, a

01:45:09.220 --> 01:45:11.659
peace offering in one hand and knife in the other.

01:45:11.779 --> 01:45:14.340
They're, you know, they're no dark elves, but

01:45:14.340 --> 01:45:16.520
they're still awesome. Even though Malekith is

01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:21.119
not the Phoenix King. I will say, Bricky, though,

01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:25.079
if I was to recommend one book, check out Lucas

01:45:25.079 --> 01:45:26.859
the Trickster, because there's a guy in it called

01:45:26.859 --> 01:45:28.739
Saliscus, and he's like, I don't wear the same

01:45:28.739 --> 01:45:32.100
clothes day to day. And I'm like, oh, where will

01:45:32.100 --> 01:45:34.560
we go raiding? Why not the homeworld of the Space

01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:36.800
Wolves? That sounds fun. So I think you'll like

01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:39.840
it. It's funny. Should we speedrun a few of these?

01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:43.840
Yunari or F? Yunari or F? Straight to the bottom.

01:45:43.939 --> 01:45:46.060
I wanted them to be good. They are the potential

01:45:46.060 --> 01:45:53.039
man of 40k. Assassin or Kingmaker? Okay. Assassin

01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:56.199
or Kingmaker is an incredible book. That's where

01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:58.659
my praise ends. They can't go above C. What about

01:45:58.659 --> 01:46:01.399
the Horus Heresy book? I like the Horus Heresy

01:46:01.399 --> 01:46:05.079
book. Oh yeah, the one where they try to kill

01:46:05.079 --> 01:46:08.000
Horace is cool. Horace's book is pretty good.

01:46:08.340 --> 01:46:16.380
It's an arm of the Lord of Terror. Hey, Andy,

01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:20.180
can I sum up their Horace Hersey real book? You

01:46:20.180 --> 01:46:22.159
know, we're going to try and kill Horace. Oh

01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:26.020
no, we know how it ends. No, we're not. Thanks.

01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:29.060
Can we give them a passing grade at least? They

01:46:29.060 --> 01:46:35.800
can have C, that's fine. The two books or whatever

01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:40.380
that they have? It's great. I'd put them right

01:46:40.380 --> 01:46:43.220
there. I feel like they have a similar thing

01:46:43.220 --> 01:46:45.579
with Death Note. They're one of the coolest features

01:46:45.579 --> 01:46:50.000
of 40k. They're great villains. They're aesthetically

01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:53.380
lovely. Oh, yeah. But by the inherent nature

01:46:53.380 --> 01:46:55.560
of their faction, every story about them goes

01:46:55.560 --> 01:46:58.840
two ways. You lose, or the Tyranids eat you.

01:47:01.089 --> 01:47:04.949
She flies away to go talk to other people. She

01:47:04.949 --> 01:47:09.090
lives in that book. As a faction, that is the

01:47:09.090 --> 01:47:11.229
true end result. That's what makes them so awesome.

01:47:11.430 --> 01:47:14.930
As a background thing, I love them as a part

01:47:14.930 --> 01:47:18.170
of 40k. I think as books, there's a limit. My

01:47:18.170 --> 01:47:19.810
biggest problem with the Genestealer cults is

01:47:19.810 --> 01:47:22.430
that the way they've written them is the Imperium

01:47:22.430 --> 01:47:25.350
should basically not exist anymore because there's

01:47:25.350 --> 01:47:27.250
Genestealer cults across the entirety of the

01:47:27.250 --> 01:47:31.350
Imperium. It's like, what the heck? So you lose,

01:47:31.609 --> 01:47:37.829
but if you win, you get eaten. Yeah. You're unified

01:47:37.829 --> 01:47:41.430
with the angels, man. To the holy pilgrimage.

01:47:44.229 --> 01:47:45.949
Here's a question, though, because we have to

01:47:45.949 --> 01:47:48.710
rate these simultaneously. Are we putting Tyranids

01:47:48.710 --> 01:47:54.069
in F? Or, like, how do we do that? Because Genestealer

01:47:54.069 --> 01:47:57.130
cults, their lore is not their lore. Their lore

01:47:57.130 --> 01:48:01.399
is the lore of Hivescum. It's the lore of citizenry,

01:48:01.479 --> 01:48:05.000
right? Which is not, like, the same. Like, bear

01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:06.880
in mind, next month I'm going to be doing Tyranid

01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:10.260
-only content. And it's just, like, Gribbly monsters

01:48:10.260 --> 01:48:14.640
and, like... So, a week? Yeah. I'm stretching

01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:17.359
it to a month. But it's, like, it's Gribbly Ribblies

01:48:17.359 --> 01:48:20.079
and then there's, like, three guys who have names

01:48:20.079 --> 01:48:23.140
that aren't Gribbly Ribblies. And it's, like,

01:48:23.220 --> 01:48:26.579
the problem with Tyranids is that they're just

01:48:26.579 --> 01:48:29.899
Gribbly Ribblies. And so... Yes, the Genestealer's

01:48:29.899 --> 01:48:32.159
cool, but they're destined to become food for

01:48:32.159 --> 01:48:35.579
the Gribbly Ribblies. I think Genestealer's cool

01:48:35.579 --> 01:48:38.800
because there is, again, it's the same thing

01:48:38.800 --> 01:48:40.680
with the Death Watch thing. There's an overall

01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:43.000
cool factor where it adds to Warhammer lore,

01:48:43.220 --> 01:48:46.479
but it suffers from the fact of it doesn't really

01:48:46.479 --> 01:48:49.659
have what would be traditional character development

01:48:49.659 --> 01:48:52.239
or other exciting things. There are examples

01:48:52.239 --> 01:48:54.539
of it. I'm not saying, you know, preparing it

01:48:54.539 --> 01:48:57.289
or anything, but it's just like... It's held

01:48:57.289 --> 01:48:59.829
back from the upper echelon. So I put it right

01:48:59.829 --> 01:49:01.850
next to it. You know what? Right next to Death

01:49:01.850 --> 01:49:04.090
Watch, hilariously. Yeah, that's what I was saying.

01:49:04.149 --> 01:49:08.029
I think you deserve it. I'll give it. I'll allow

01:49:08.029 --> 01:49:11.449
it. They're just people. And people have interesting

01:49:11.449 --> 01:49:15.289
stories. So I think that's fine. So where are

01:49:15.289 --> 01:49:16.970
the nids? Do we even have nids on this list?

01:49:17.399 --> 01:49:20.619
They're combined. Oh, they're combined. Oh, and

01:49:20.619 --> 01:49:23.840
then they're going down. That's crazy. What the

01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:26.220
heck? No, no, no. Hang on. Tyranids belong right

01:49:26.220 --> 01:49:28.420
next to Death Watch. They are the ultimate, like,

01:49:28.420 --> 01:49:31.460
threat. They are the ultimate background feature

01:49:31.460 --> 01:49:34.220
of 40K. You cannot write a book for Tyranids,

01:49:34.279 --> 01:49:36.979
which is why they can't go above B tier. They're

01:49:36.979 --> 01:49:39.760
so cool in overall lore concept. I think they

01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:42.060
belong in B tier. You know what I'd love to see?

01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:45.689
Tyranids. being like consuming a problem we're

01:49:45.689 --> 01:49:48.449
like oh we are so we we consume some black templars

01:49:48.449 --> 01:49:50.329
so we're going to fight in the name of the emperor

01:49:50.329 --> 01:49:52.850
and we don't quite know why but we've assimilated

01:49:52.850 --> 01:49:55.029
that and so we think that's a part of our identity

01:49:55.029 --> 01:49:58.090
or that's a thing that goes against yeah what

01:49:58.090 --> 01:50:00.250
we need is more people fighting for the emperor

01:50:00.250 --> 01:50:04.090
that's what we need we need some wild cards for

01:50:04.090 --> 01:50:06.449
the tyranids because otherwise it's just you

01:50:06.449 --> 01:50:10.970
know where you can find that necromunda I think

01:50:10.970 --> 01:50:17.970
the Norn emissaries and stuff is a huge... We'll

01:50:17.970 --> 01:50:19.510
leave them there. So we're doing orcs now, yeah?

01:50:19.850 --> 01:50:24.470
I want to put my stamp on this. I want to put

01:50:24.470 --> 01:50:29.949
it... I want to put it just under guard because

01:50:29.949 --> 01:50:35.579
I... get giddy. I don't think that's guard. I

01:50:35.579 --> 01:50:37.260
think that's silence cave. No, that's specifically

01:50:37.260 --> 01:50:40.380
Caiaphas cave. That being said, I would put guard

01:50:40.380 --> 01:50:42.779
there too. I would put guard on top of this.

01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:46.000
I think guard are the top of this. Wait, hold

01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:48.539
on. Let's roll back really big. Okay, so why

01:50:48.539 --> 01:50:51.720
orcs there? Because there's the genius part.

01:50:52.260 --> 01:50:54.819
I guess from my own perspective, I've always

01:50:54.819 --> 01:50:57.859
loved character. Character is always king in

01:50:57.859 --> 01:51:01.479
anything. And just... I've never really been

01:51:01.479 --> 01:51:04.359
let down by a normal character in Sunset. Even

01:51:04.359 --> 01:51:06.319
though it's more like the Necrons, there's more

01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:10.279
recent additions like with Infinite Divine. Uftak

01:51:10.279 --> 01:51:14.359
Bone Ripper's two books have come out. I always

01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:17.520
put it in the must read. Uftak Bone Ripper? No,

01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:24.020
Black Hawk. Black Hawk, sorry. You're right.

01:51:24.180 --> 01:51:28.050
It's Uftak Black Hawk. Black Hawk. You've got

01:51:28.050 --> 01:51:30.750
the first name and last name mixed up. Bone Ripper

01:51:30.750 --> 01:51:32.890
is Sam Cole's mount. That's what I was thinking

01:51:32.890 --> 01:51:36.369
of. You've gone to the wrong set up. But yes,

01:51:36.470 --> 01:51:40.449
Ooftuck, Blackhawk, the Big Doc, etc. With his

01:51:40.449 --> 01:51:48.869
snazzammer. And his squig. And the boffin. The

01:51:48.869 --> 01:51:56.300
communist uprising. between i've been going through

01:51:56.300 --> 01:51:59.359
the i've been going through the red gobo collection

01:51:59.359 --> 01:52:01.840
and i'm in the book too and i'm like i had no

01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:04.079
idea about these guys but i do like how like

01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:06.140
the first book is all like oh yeah we're just

01:52:06.140 --> 01:52:07.760
gonna have an uprising and then the second was

01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:10.079
like well who's in charge it's like well i am

01:52:10.079 --> 01:52:12.819
i don't know about that i like how they're just

01:52:12.819 --> 01:52:14.699
always infighting even when they got what they

01:52:14.699 --> 01:52:17.829
want easily summarized but space marine one story

01:52:17.829 --> 01:52:20.229
is is not is a story that exists for the game

01:52:20.229 --> 01:52:22.590
right every time grim skull is on screen in space

01:52:22.590 --> 01:52:27.210
marine one it's a treat yeah or orcs as just

01:52:27.210 --> 01:52:30.470
on a video concept as a lore concept orcs haven't

01:52:30.470 --> 01:52:32.409
figured out they they know exactly what they

01:52:32.409 --> 01:52:34.510
are what they're supposed to be they don't complicate

01:52:34.510 --> 01:52:36.670
it that's why i think st is this this will be

01:52:36.670 --> 01:52:40.529
one of the few times i admit i i have to give

01:52:40.529 --> 01:52:43.569
40k over fantasy credit they perfected orcs within

01:52:43.569 --> 01:52:48.659
40k There's no dancing. This has no bearing on

01:52:48.659 --> 01:52:52.359
this gear list. I went through Grotsnik's recent

01:52:52.359 --> 01:52:54.760
book and there's a brief moment where they're

01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:58.699
like, how do Umis procreate? And Grotsnik is

01:52:58.699 --> 01:53:00.800
like... it's disgusting you don't want to know

01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:04.399
oh wow that's amazing um one of the best parts

01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:07.359
for me a small little bit is when in the big

01:53:07.359 --> 01:53:10.520
daca when the boffin who's the mech has like

01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:12.979
a one wheel and he rides around on it and he

01:53:12.979 --> 01:53:15.560
replaces it with like a dark eldar jet thing

01:53:16.109 --> 01:53:18.109
And Uvtuk is like, why you still have the wheel

01:53:18.109 --> 01:53:20.069
then? He's like, well, you know, Spikey gets

01:53:20.069 --> 01:53:22.350
this shit kind of sucks, so if they fail, he's

01:53:22.350 --> 01:53:24.270
like, so I got the wheel. And he's just like,

01:53:24.329 --> 01:53:27.010
that shit is just fantastic. Certified General

01:53:27.010 --> 01:53:29.829
Grievous logic right there. I have my big wheel.

01:53:30.909 --> 01:53:35.569
My lady. Sisters of Awesome. I've never had a...

01:53:35.569 --> 01:53:39.470
I kind of one note, but they always do that one

01:53:39.470 --> 01:53:42.970
note. Have you read Faith and Fire? It's so amazing.

01:53:43.350 --> 01:53:45.949
It's an amazing book. It's like the only one.

01:53:46.270 --> 01:53:50.529
Game Swallow. I'm going to say something. If

01:53:50.529 --> 01:53:52.329
I hear James Swallow again, I'm going to swallow

01:53:52.329 --> 01:53:56.489
this podcast. I'm going to say something. Some

01:53:56.489 --> 01:53:59.069
people might take issue with this, but I think

01:53:59.069 --> 01:54:01.550
sisters do the humanity hell yeah thing better

01:54:01.550 --> 01:54:04.609
than the guard. And I think in terms of potential,

01:54:04.909 --> 01:54:08.630
the sisters could be easily S tier. But Games

01:54:08.630 --> 01:54:11.409
Workshop loves to have them killed in the background

01:54:11.409 --> 01:54:15.760
or... not appreciated as much as marines i don't

01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:18.279
think they can do humanity hell yeah as good

01:54:18.279 --> 01:54:21.279
because the guard is like the the guard is like

01:54:21.279 --> 01:54:23.720
it's true that is well it's just what they are

01:54:23.720 --> 01:54:29.340
like the reason i say that is within like 40k's

01:54:29.340 --> 01:54:33.180
mechanics oh like the zealots type and anyone

01:54:33.180 --> 01:54:36.079
could like manifest faith like they do they just

01:54:36.079 --> 01:54:38.460
take it so far that they're most known for it

01:54:38.460 --> 01:54:42.039
there's no like major genetic fuckery going into

01:54:42.039 --> 01:54:45.420
them they're just they're just insane yeah they're

01:54:45.420 --> 01:54:48.039
just that cooked which like i mean like you know

01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:51.699
peak what can humans do in 40k is the sisters

01:54:52.279 --> 01:54:54.380
They're the perfect faction for 40k, too. They

01:54:54.380 --> 01:54:58.380
are the Imperium. They're the Imperium to the

01:54:58.380 --> 01:55:01.800
nth degree. The Book of Martyrs is good fun because

01:55:01.800 --> 01:55:03.579
it's three different characters, and all of them

01:55:03.579 --> 01:55:05.300
die at the end of their stories, which is why

01:55:05.300 --> 01:55:07.800
it's called The Book of Martyrs. But one of them

01:55:07.800 --> 01:55:11.020
kills an Ethereal, and she's just so angry, and

01:55:11.020 --> 01:55:14.420
I love it. She intentionally mispronounced their

01:55:14.420 --> 01:55:17.760
names because she's just so spiteful. Every piece

01:55:17.760 --> 01:55:20.100
of dialogue from a Sister of Battle main character

01:55:20.100 --> 01:55:22.800
goes hard. every single piece of dial everything

01:55:22.800 --> 01:55:26.260
these women say is so freaking cool here's the

01:55:26.260 --> 01:55:28.039
here's the weird part because i'm often i'm often

01:55:28.039 --> 01:55:30.760
like a sister simp as well because like i love

01:55:30.760 --> 01:55:32.600
sisters one of my favorite factions i play them

01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:35.239
all the time my only reason that i think is keeping

01:55:35.239 --> 01:55:37.340
them from est here is the simple fact that i

01:55:37.340 --> 01:55:41.079
think a lot of their books fall flat um i think

01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:44.779
they only have a couple good ones and they are

01:55:44.779 --> 01:55:48.260
also a little one note at times i will also say

01:55:48.260 --> 01:55:51.810
oh no It's perfectly placed in the tier list

01:55:51.810 --> 01:55:56.430
where it is, where the novels of the Death Guard,

01:55:56.569 --> 01:55:59.250
some of them will eclipse the Sisters ones, but

01:55:59.250 --> 01:56:03.470
overall, the Sisters as a total package is probably

01:56:03.470 --> 01:56:05.529
slightly better than the things that have come

01:56:05.529 --> 01:56:10.310
before it. Yeah, I will say... Andy, you first.

01:56:10.909 --> 01:56:15.720
Andy, you go now. Andy, you now. All I'm going

01:56:15.720 --> 01:56:17.699
to say is I really like Ephriel Stern's book,

01:56:17.760 --> 01:56:20.220
and I like how there's a chaos sister about good

01:56:20.220 --> 01:56:26.659
stuff here. Sorry, it's good. I think it's a

01:56:26.659 --> 01:56:30.760
very bold decision to make the mostly all, like,

01:56:30.760 --> 01:56:34.739
female faction of the Imperium be, like, arguably

01:56:34.739 --> 01:56:39.029
the most... disgusting and hateful and like like

01:56:39.029 --> 01:56:41.310
awful every time you read a sister's codex you're

01:56:41.310 --> 01:56:43.449
like yeah and then they all cheered as they like

01:56:43.449 --> 01:56:46.069
ripped the heretics limb from limb and and they

01:56:46.069 --> 01:56:48.090
are saying for him as the emperor i'm like this

01:56:48.090 --> 01:56:50.750
this is fucking awesome here's the penitent engine

01:56:50.750 --> 01:56:54.510
get get wire into that and go scream at the british

01:56:54.510 --> 01:56:57.750
hooligans they they are i like kind of way they

01:56:57.750 --> 01:57:01.369
are the nth degree of i was just following orders

01:57:03.460 --> 01:57:05.600
but they genuinely believe everything you do

01:57:05.600 --> 01:57:08.199
which is amazing they're so cool they're great

01:57:08.199 --> 01:57:09.979
they're great i just think they need some better

01:57:09.979 --> 01:57:12.699
stories because they can be a bit yeah and like

01:57:12.699 --> 01:57:15.579
to say with that like they're one they've like

01:57:15.579 --> 01:57:18.699
they've got double one note because all i think

01:57:18.699 --> 01:57:21.619
the only ordo like gdo is aware of is the order

01:57:21.619 --> 01:57:23.930
of our martyred lady I think they forget there

01:57:23.930 --> 01:57:26.369
are other Sisters of Battle orders. Dude, Valorous

01:57:26.369 --> 01:57:28.390
Heart and Argent Shroud are super cool. So many

01:57:28.390 --> 01:57:32.069
are so cool, but you have one. Sacred Rose! My

01:57:32.069 --> 01:57:36.270
army's painted Sacred Rose. Hell yeah. I mean,

01:57:36.430 --> 01:57:38.789
Argent Shroud is where Marvin of All is from,

01:57:38.909 --> 01:57:40.909
which I think is sick. It's a cool concept. The

01:57:40.909 --> 01:57:44.970
other thing limiting them, they do, but I...

01:57:44.970 --> 01:57:48.310
There's so many little background lore of like,

01:57:48.369 --> 01:57:50.750
the Imperium is every human culture ever and

01:57:50.750 --> 01:57:53.520
so much more. Every sister of battle is gothic

01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:56.300
super soldier, which I love, but I would kill

01:57:56.300 --> 01:57:58.600
for like a Buddhist sister of battle or something

01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:01.619
like that. You could do so much with the concept

01:58:01.619 --> 01:58:04.260
of faith and they don't do it. They don't do

01:58:04.260 --> 01:58:06.300
it. They believe in the emperor. They believe

01:58:06.300 --> 01:58:08.619
in the emperor. And give like a censored like

01:58:08.619 --> 01:58:11.399
bo staff. Yeah, they believe in the emperor,

01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:13.399
but there's so much like little background lore

01:58:13.399 --> 01:58:16.119
of the religion of the Imperium is 10 million

01:58:16.119 --> 01:58:18.220
different faiths all jumbled together. It's true,

01:58:18.239 --> 01:58:19.979
but I think the sisters are a bit more unified.

01:58:20.670 --> 01:58:24.430
they are they normally are taken into the scola

01:58:24.430 --> 01:58:26.510
and then like indoctrinated through there so

01:58:26.510 --> 01:58:32.789
you could still do it make it like some small

01:58:32.789 --> 01:58:35.409
sect in a backwater region you could do it and

01:58:35.409 --> 01:58:38.369
i'm kind of like i would agree I will say, fellas,

01:58:38.569 --> 01:58:41.890
who of these factions do you think you have the

01:58:41.890 --> 01:58:44.590
most to talk about? Why are there two Inquisitions,

01:58:44.649 --> 01:58:46.949
is my question. There's Inquisition, there's

01:58:46.949 --> 01:58:50.069
the Navy. That's the Navy. We're on the Navy?

01:58:50.350 --> 01:58:53.710
The Navy? It might as well be the Guard. Hold

01:58:53.710 --> 01:58:57.109
on, you've got the Navy, the Guard, and rogue

01:58:57.109 --> 01:59:01.529
traitors all as separate things? I know they're

01:59:01.529 --> 01:59:04.569
a faction. It's factions. I am the biggest Rogue

01:59:04.569 --> 01:59:08.590
Traders defender. First edition 40k. I wish Rogue

01:59:08.590 --> 01:59:10.470
Traders were still the main characters. They're

01:59:10.470 --> 01:59:13.750
not a faction. They never have been a faction.

01:59:13.989 --> 01:59:18.850
They're an A -model kit. They have a game. Sort

01:59:18.850 --> 01:59:22.970
of the rejects. Get it together for me. Alright,

01:59:23.069 --> 01:59:27.569
alright. We'll pay you. I'm going to put the

01:59:27.569 --> 01:59:31.090
Navy and the Rogue Traders in F tier. Inquisition?

01:59:31.390 --> 01:59:38.210
I need a we. Go ahead, Andy. Inquisition in S

01:59:38.210 --> 01:59:42.930
tier, I think, is okay. They are also the Imperium.

01:59:43.529 --> 01:59:46.829
Incarnate. And all of its different opinions.

01:59:47.289 --> 01:59:50.050
And they have amazing characters. You get like

01:59:50.050 --> 01:59:52.250
Amberly Vale sometimes. You get a whole bunch

01:59:52.250 --> 01:59:55.770
of stuff. And Inquisitor Karamazov. The coolest

01:59:55.770 --> 01:59:59.710
model ever made. A particular shout out as well.

01:59:59.770 --> 02:00:02.270
The strength of... I don't know if everyone has

02:00:02.270 --> 02:00:05.890
in here read it, but the Eisenhorn Trilogy. Well,

02:00:05.949 --> 02:00:09.270
actually it has four books now. And then the

02:00:09.270 --> 02:00:12.079
Beckwin stuff and all that stuff. the strength

02:00:12.079 --> 02:00:16.819
of like what is the human story throughout like

02:00:16.819 --> 02:00:19.500
again like we all like this the space rings are

02:00:19.500 --> 02:00:22.340
beyond our experience but as in obviously i'm

02:00:22.340 --> 02:00:24.439
not you know i'm not literally battling demons

02:00:24.439 --> 02:00:27.000
unless it's on the bloody loo um but you know

02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:29.840
uh you know shout out to clean bowel movements

02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:32.899
in your 30s bro and loving it um but the inquisition

02:00:32.899 --> 02:00:35.560
stories and it sounds like the eisenhorn strength

02:00:35.560 --> 02:00:39.909
really is the sort of like the rotten degeneration

02:00:39.909 --> 02:00:42.869
of characters where they start off as something

02:00:42.869 --> 02:00:45.850
pure and noble and you're sure of yourself and

02:00:45.850 --> 02:00:48.869
it turns into you know like light with life thing

02:00:48.869 --> 02:00:51.390
that as you get older you kind of you're so sure

02:00:51.390 --> 02:00:53.310
of yourself you see things in black and white

02:00:53.310 --> 02:00:55.109
and it's like you know it's this way or the highway

02:00:55.109 --> 02:00:57.449
and then when you get older you're realizing

02:00:57.449 --> 02:01:01.689
the shades do really be gray and it's a great

02:01:02.329 --> 02:01:04.949
like this even though dan abnett wrote that in

02:01:04.949 --> 02:01:07.949
bloody what 2000 or something 25 years ago god

02:01:07.949 --> 02:01:11.369
damn i'm old um yeah but the thing is it's such

02:01:11.369 --> 02:01:15.229
like it's it's the it's the distilled essence

02:01:15.229 --> 02:01:18.010
of 40k and it's like it's it's the thing that

02:01:18.010 --> 02:01:19.970
everything else is built around so it just has

02:01:19.970 --> 02:01:22.770
to be i think i think i do like a lot of things

02:01:22.770 --> 02:01:25.670
in s bit more but i would put it just under where

02:01:25.670 --> 02:01:29.130
are we putting it i'm fine with under orcs it

02:01:29.130 --> 02:01:33.850
is the inquisition is that tend to mount to what

02:01:33.850 --> 02:01:37.409
warhammer is in a way you know ignoring ignoring

02:01:37.409 --> 02:01:39.590
the months of shame they always make inquisitors

02:01:39.590 --> 02:01:42.689
scary when they show up there is never and there's

02:01:42.689 --> 02:01:44.750
almost otherwise never a book where an inquisitor

02:01:44.750 --> 02:01:47.729
shows up and you're not like oh yeah i mean i

02:01:47.729 --> 02:01:50.250
i'll read like a like a crime novel or something

02:01:50.250 --> 02:01:52.449
and if someone flashes the inquisitorial rosette

02:01:52.449 --> 02:01:56.569
you're like oh yeah you're like oh my god you

02:01:56.569 --> 02:01:58.850
know can i can i ask a question to the to the

02:01:58.850 --> 02:02:04.800
floor okay Has anyone heard of Inquisitor Roth?

02:02:05.699 --> 02:02:08.539
R -O -T -H. Okay, I thought you were going to

02:02:08.539 --> 02:02:10.899
do W -R -A -T -H, and I was like, no, they can't

02:02:10.899 --> 02:02:12.460
do this. I just learned about slaughter in the

02:02:12.460 --> 02:02:16.060
War of the Beasts. I can't do this. No, I do

02:02:16.060 --> 02:02:18.699
not know. Maybe from you mentioning it previously.

02:02:18.760 --> 02:02:21.640
Obi -Wan Clouseau. Well, yeah, he's peak. Come

02:02:21.640 --> 02:02:25.079
on. Wait, wait, wait. Clouseau is great. Right

02:02:25.079 --> 02:02:26.899
up there with Marco Colombo. He has a trilogy.

02:02:27.630 --> 02:02:31.289
He has an octopus. I've never heard of him. And

02:02:31.289 --> 02:02:33.289
the writer who wrote him has never written anything

02:02:33.289 --> 02:02:37.689
else. What a hero. He got his back from GW and

02:02:37.689 --> 02:02:44.850
left. Hold on real quick. Let's put Rogue Traders

02:02:44.850 --> 02:02:48.550
and Navy in B because they don't deserve F. It's

02:02:48.550 --> 02:02:53.029
too random. Who's the random lady beside the

02:02:53.029 --> 02:02:55.369
demons? I think that's supposed to be Rogue Traders.

02:02:56.609 --> 02:02:59.449
Navigators? I knew it was going to be Navigators.

02:02:59.510 --> 02:03:04.430
I knew it. What do you mean? What do I mean?

02:03:05.069 --> 02:03:10.210
They're not a faction. They have a book. they're

02:03:10.210 --> 02:03:12.630
part of the navy a lot of people have a book

02:03:13.319 --> 02:03:16.159
They have a few books. What do you mean, Andy?

02:03:16.260 --> 02:03:17.939
Put them on the Navy. They're a part of the Navy.

02:03:18.039 --> 02:03:19.020
They're part of the Navy. Just put them on the

02:03:19.020 --> 02:03:20.720
Navy. They are part of the Navy. Like, what the

02:03:20.720 --> 02:03:24.060
heck? Can we also put the Sisters of the Island

02:03:24.060 --> 02:03:26.539
with the custodians as well? Yes, let's put them

02:03:26.539 --> 02:03:27.539
with the custodians. I thought that was an Eldar

02:03:27.539 --> 02:03:29.239
looking at it for the longest time. No, it's

02:03:29.239 --> 02:03:31.640
Genesia Kroll. They are a real faction that exists.

02:03:31.899 --> 02:03:34.100
What do you want about? Come on. Wherever the

02:03:34.100 --> 02:03:35.840
sisters or the custodians are, put them next

02:03:35.840 --> 02:03:38.659
to it. Put them in seats here. Yeah, the sisters.

02:03:38.739 --> 02:03:41.300
I love the custodians. I love the sisters. I

02:03:41.300 --> 02:03:42.939
love the custodians, but they're deployed. at

02:03:42.939 --> 02:03:45.399
the same time. They're the same faction. They

02:03:45.399 --> 02:03:48.600
work together all the time. If we're putting

02:03:48.600 --> 02:03:51.340
Navigators, Rogue Traders, and fucking the Navy

02:03:51.340 --> 02:03:53.100
together, we're putting them together. Grown

02:03:53.100 --> 02:03:59.039
men arguing ASMR? This is Warhammer lore in a

02:03:59.039 --> 02:04:01.840
nutshell, man. It's a bunch of grown dudes yelling

02:04:01.840 --> 02:04:06.460
at each other. That's the world. I didn't see

02:04:06.460 --> 02:04:09.920
no custodians during the flight of the Eisensteins.

02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:11.720
I'm just saying, between the flight of us as

02:04:11.720 --> 02:04:14.239
well? Between the five of us, we're somewhat

02:04:14.239 --> 02:04:16.800
filling in the gaps, but there's so much we're

02:04:16.800 --> 02:04:21.539
all just like, eh. We're just high -ranking.

02:04:21.539 --> 02:04:25.039
Can I argue for Custodes and Sisters of Silence?

02:04:25.180 --> 02:04:29.720
Only really having, I think, at most three strong

02:04:29.720 --> 02:04:33.899
novels. In a general sense, quite cool. I do

02:04:33.899 --> 02:04:38.880
like their thing going on. But as in the... Not

02:04:38.880 --> 02:04:41.420
Vault of Terror. Watch of the Throne. Watch of

02:04:41.420 --> 02:04:43.579
the Throne, two novels which are very interesting,

02:04:43.640 --> 02:04:47.300
and Master of Mankind, Horus Heresy novel. That's,

02:04:47.380 --> 02:04:49.500
as we've talked about other factions here, that's

02:04:49.500 --> 02:04:51.680
kind of the only strength. And again, some of

02:04:51.680 --> 02:04:55.979
their scenes are incredible, but I would really,

02:04:55.979 --> 02:05:00.060
really strongly argue it only kind of goes just

02:05:00.060 --> 02:05:03.359
under Harlequins. Amandera Kendall has stuff,

02:05:03.539 --> 02:05:06.279
and Janisha Kroll is in the season of Error.

02:05:08.980 --> 02:05:11.380
I'm just saying, Sisters of Silence have more

02:05:11.380 --> 02:05:13.680
lore than the Custodians. They just do. They

02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:17.560
have more lore. And it's good. Yeah, yeah, put

02:05:17.560 --> 02:05:19.699
them above. Yeah, I'm with Colin on this one.

02:05:20.180 --> 02:05:22.239
You guys are too mean to call, and I tell you

02:05:22.239 --> 02:05:24.539
what, he's my goat. He's my goat. He's got some

02:05:24.539 --> 02:05:28.960
great ideas, alright? We love him. We love him,

02:05:29.000 --> 02:05:32.449
and kiss him goodnight every night. Do you not

02:05:32.449 --> 02:05:34.909
like dreadnoughts, Colin? Oh, I love dreadnoughts.

02:05:34.909 --> 02:05:38.090
Oh, thank God. Yes, they're great. Dreadnoughts

02:05:38.090 --> 02:05:40.069
are great. I think every time someone says the

02:05:40.069 --> 02:05:41.970
same dreadnought, but with a new gun on it, it's

02:05:41.970 --> 02:05:44.909
a different dreadnought. No. Oh, that's a model

02:05:44.909 --> 02:05:47.289
maker stupid. Yeah, that's a different argument.

02:05:47.590 --> 02:05:52.630
But I love dreadnoughts. It's just under Harlequins.

02:05:52.909 --> 02:05:55.909
It's not better than Harlequin lore. It's not.

02:05:57.220 --> 02:05:59.640
They're just like random dudes. There's too many

02:05:59.640 --> 02:06:02.680
things holding it back. Knights are C tier. Okay,

02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:06.319
you're no longer my go. You're washed out of

02:06:06.319 --> 02:06:08.859
your mind. Hang on, hang on. I wasn't done. It's

02:06:08.859 --> 02:06:10.800
because I associate them with my least favorite

02:06:10.800 --> 02:06:15.960
Battletech faction. I know I'm going very biased.

02:06:17.460 --> 02:06:21.489
Speaking of Battletech, we got Knights. What

02:06:21.489 --> 02:06:23.250
are our opinions on that? I'm fine with it. I

02:06:23.250 --> 02:06:27.090
say that. I do like Imperial Knights. I'll be

02:06:27.090 --> 02:06:31.170
honest. I've read all of Andy Clark's books other

02:06:31.170 --> 02:06:33.649
than his Knight trilogy, and that's his best

02:06:33.649 --> 02:06:35.970
work, so that's kind of unfair. But other than

02:06:35.970 --> 02:06:38.729
his books, they're just kind of there occasionally,

02:06:38.989 --> 02:06:41.689
which is a bit of a shame. I would imagine the

02:06:41.689 --> 02:06:45.109
best Knight book is Assassinorm Kingmaker. I

02:06:45.109 --> 02:06:47.109
think Mechanicum's really good. It's a really

02:06:47.109 --> 02:06:48.850
good night book. And there's the Armageddon,

02:06:48.909 --> 02:06:53.210
Third War of Armageddon. It's two of them that

02:06:53.210 --> 02:06:55.270
are part of the Third War of Armageddon. It's

02:06:55.270 --> 02:06:59.689
going to go in the list where it's basically

02:06:59.689 --> 02:07:03.810
just cooler than the thing below it. And I don't

02:07:03.810 --> 02:07:07.289
know if I can put Nights cooler than Ultramarines,

02:07:07.390 --> 02:07:12.930
but I know it's cooler than Dark Angels. I think

02:07:12.930 --> 02:07:16.899
Nights are a great backdrop. Because the concept

02:07:16.899 --> 02:07:19.800
of a knight, like a knightly household of a bunch

02:07:19.800 --> 02:07:21.920
of dudes who are dickheads but can back it up,

02:07:21.939 --> 02:07:25.539
piloting robots. And inbred. And inbred, piloting

02:07:25.539 --> 02:07:28.800
robots. And like, all right. It's just kind of,

02:07:28.840 --> 02:07:31.180
I don't know. I think they're really, really

02:07:31.180 --> 02:07:35.159
cool, but there's not enough. You know, I need

02:07:35.159 --> 02:07:36.840
more. They have like the Votan problem where

02:07:36.840 --> 02:07:39.560
I think there's more. What's the next one, Andy?

02:07:39.619 --> 02:07:42.380
Is this just chaos? That's just chaos, and I'm

02:07:42.380 --> 02:07:46.880
going to add Dark Mechanicus. I've got an angry

02:07:46.880 --> 02:07:50.539
opinion for Dark Mechanicus. Who cares? I would

02:07:50.539 --> 02:07:52.420
love to see more, but they're nothing right now.

02:07:52.840 --> 02:07:55.079
Sorry. Demons are really cool, but they're all

02:07:55.079 --> 02:07:57.420
really one -dimensional, naturally. I think demons

02:07:57.420 --> 02:08:00.319
go way out here, because demons are much well

02:08:00.319 --> 02:08:03.039
-read -er -bidden and read -er -bidden, Jesus

02:08:03.039 --> 02:08:07.079
Christ. Better written? In every piece of fantasy

02:08:07.079 --> 02:08:09.260
lore in Age of Sigmar lore ever, and then you

02:08:09.260 --> 02:08:13.300
go to 40K, and then GW can't write beyond, actually,

02:08:13.300 --> 02:08:17.060
it was demons the whole time. That is a big one.

02:08:17.079 --> 02:08:20.420
I will agree with you on that one. But consider

02:08:20.420 --> 02:08:25.199
this, Vashtor the goat. I do like Vashtor a lot.

02:08:25.199 --> 02:08:30.239
I like Vashtor a lot. Consider Samus is here.

02:08:30.649 --> 02:08:33.470
Samus is the man beside you. Yeah, unfortunately,

02:08:33.710 --> 02:08:36.710
Samus falls into the category of, like, warp

02:08:36.710 --> 02:08:38.850
nonsense, where he was always here, but he was

02:08:38.850 --> 02:08:42.130
never here, but he was Garvio Loken getting backstabbed

02:08:42.130 --> 02:08:45.170
at birthdom. Or was it like Super Mario Land

02:08:45.170 --> 02:08:51.470
2? It was all a dream. Listen, he starts in Horus

02:08:51.470 --> 02:08:54.159
Rising, but the only... horror's heresy but i've

02:08:54.159 --> 02:08:56.460
managed to make colin reed shout to uh lodge

02:08:56.460 --> 02:08:59.359
cast because that's the only time he'll ever

02:08:59.359 --> 02:09:01.239
read it i made him watch it for a podcast i'll

02:09:01.239 --> 02:09:03.020
read another one if you know you you betrayed

02:09:03.020 --> 02:09:05.720
me you gotta read these things where like i just

02:09:05.720 --> 02:09:09.380
like in particularly an audiobook form a lot

02:09:09.380 --> 02:09:12.779
of the demon stuff hits a bit harder i understand

02:09:12.779 --> 02:09:15.899
like there's a lot of there's a lot of what i

02:09:15.899 --> 02:09:18.800
can only describe is you know You know what I

02:09:18.800 --> 02:09:20.640
mean? You order takeout food and you get a fucking

02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:25.500
turd. It's delivered in the worst way possible.

02:09:25.699 --> 02:09:27.159
What are you talking about, man? What the hell

02:09:27.159 --> 02:09:30.770
are you saying, man? What do you mean? Bro, I

02:09:30.770 --> 02:09:33.729
promise you, it's nearly two in the morning for

02:09:33.729 --> 02:09:36.550
me, I'm delirious. I need to get to it. Okay,

02:09:36.710 --> 02:09:39.970
I thought like... Okay, first things first. The

02:09:39.970 --> 02:09:42.210
best Stark Mechanicus character is Deltrian from

02:09:42.210 --> 02:09:44.550
the Nightlord trilogy. We can skip past that

02:09:44.550 --> 02:09:46.649
one. With his little window wiper eyes, isn't

02:09:46.649 --> 02:09:49.729
it? Yeah, yeah, with his little jewel eyes. They're

02:09:49.729 --> 02:09:52.850
funny side characters. Well, Hal is the Fabricator

02:09:52.850 --> 02:09:55.270
General. No one cares. No, no one cares about

02:09:55.270 --> 02:09:58.500
the Fabricator General guy. No. But, like, demon,

02:09:58.640 --> 02:10:00.920
I don't know, like, if we're putting orcs so

02:10:00.920 --> 02:10:05.359
high, demons are, as a nature, a one -note, god

02:10:05.359 --> 02:10:09.260
-specific, their point is this, that's it. I'm

02:10:09.260 --> 02:10:13.600
not arguing for S. I'm arguing for, like, blow

02:10:13.600 --> 02:10:17.699
B, high C. I agree. They're cool villains. It

02:10:17.699 --> 02:10:23.640
goes C. I feel like they're not as compelling

02:10:23.640 --> 02:10:27.100
as... black hearts downfall but they're kind

02:10:27.100 --> 02:10:29.359
of more than like i'm a rich kid in space we

02:10:29.359 --> 02:10:32.819
will we we were like i feel like that's a good

02:10:32.819 --> 02:10:36.720
clip that's a sound bite right there all right

02:10:36.720 --> 02:10:45.380
can we put can i as one request can we put guard

02:10:45.380 --> 02:10:47.399
to the top of s tier and then we can be done

02:10:48.180 --> 02:10:50.479
Eli, listen, you're a man after my own heart,

02:10:50.640 --> 02:10:53.000
but I'm not putting anything above Necrons. Necrons

02:10:53.000 --> 02:10:55.199
are my favorite faction. They are the rightful

02:10:55.199 --> 02:10:57.939
rulers of the galaxy. But no book has ever made

02:10:57.939 --> 02:10:59.739
me feel emotions like a Mario Kart book has.

02:10:59.880 --> 02:11:02.260
Wait, wait, wait. Yeah, Necropolis. Yeah, Necropolis

02:11:02.260 --> 02:11:07.460
goes insane. Eli, Eli, Eli. How many Caiaphas

02:11:07.460 --> 02:11:13.729
Kane books versus God generic? I gotta be honest,

02:11:13.949 --> 02:11:16.350
I don't think there's as many guard generic books

02:11:16.350 --> 02:11:19.010
as we think there are. There's a decent amount.

02:11:20.149 --> 02:11:22.470
There's one for like every major regiment, which

02:11:22.470 --> 02:11:24.050
is like 20 already. He's read the Talon stuff.

02:11:24.489 --> 02:11:27.869
Talon made me cry. Deadman Walking also made

02:11:27.869 --> 02:11:31.890
me cry. No other book has made me cry. Not even

02:11:31.890 --> 02:11:36.229
Necropolis? I haven't read that one. Fulgur makes

02:11:36.229 --> 02:11:39.949
me tear. I need to go touch grass after this.

02:11:42.049 --> 02:11:46.930
this is too much this is too much I love Warhammer

02:11:46.930 --> 02:11:49.750
obviously more than anything but my god am I

02:11:49.750 --> 02:11:52.850
have I just that's a lot of plastic this is what

02:11:52.850 --> 02:11:56.369
happens this is how I see myself saying because

02:11:56.369 --> 02:11:59.649
I play like other things well speaking of we

02:11:59.649 --> 02:12:03.640
are in the depths I have one question I must

02:12:03.640 --> 02:12:08.100
ask every guest. Ricky, you get an upgraded version

02:12:08.100 --> 02:12:10.100
of this question, because I will admit I watched

02:12:10.100 --> 02:12:13.399
your Zombies videos, and you and another person

02:12:13.399 --> 02:12:16.460
convinced me on giving Black Ops 3 and 4 a chance.

02:12:16.800 --> 02:12:20.020
I did not want you to play 4. It was just 3,

02:12:20.079 --> 02:12:23.079
but that works. 3 was you. 4 was the other guy,

02:12:23.180 --> 02:12:26.680
Arthur Bones. Dead of Night's pretty good. It's

02:12:26.680 --> 02:12:28.880
good, so I'm going to instead ask you the next

02:12:28.880 --> 02:12:32.779
tier. uh -huh what's the best wonder weapon in

02:12:32.779 --> 02:12:36.899
terms of power or fun either because power is

02:12:36.899 --> 02:12:38.920
a power is a slick with fire from black ops 2

02:12:38.920 --> 02:12:41.220
die rise because it's the only one that you can

02:12:41.220 --> 02:12:43.680
fully infinitely use like it's the best possible

02:12:43.680 --> 02:12:47.260
let's but it's but it's horribly boring oh yeah

02:12:47.260 --> 02:12:52.760
um let's go let's go let's go fun because i've

02:12:52.760 --> 02:12:55.840
got my easy answer but honestly my easy answer

02:12:55.840 --> 02:13:00.199
is the um is the origin staffs You know what?

02:13:00.260 --> 02:13:02.500
That's a respectable answer. I find them to just

02:13:02.500 --> 02:13:04.680
be very fun. I like to change up options and

02:13:04.680 --> 02:13:07.880
try different things. It's very enjoyable. I

02:13:07.880 --> 02:13:11.720
like the general feel. Alright, you know what?

02:13:11.760 --> 02:13:16.880
I like that answer. That's fair. Yeah, Dr. Maxis.

02:13:17.020 --> 02:13:20.539
Yeah, so bizarre. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Origins is

02:13:20.539 --> 02:13:22.800
the best zombies map. I've seen all that. I have

02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:27.159
to... Wait, is Origins... Are you okay with the

02:13:27.159 --> 02:13:29.380
stuff? The Origins cutscene is peace. That intro

02:13:29.380 --> 02:13:31.039
was the best thing. Oh, yeah. Is that the one

02:13:31.039 --> 02:13:32.680
where you get the stuff and you combine the stuff?

02:13:32.680 --> 02:13:34.859
Yeah, it's the stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's

02:13:34.859 --> 02:13:36.979
my favorite map, too. Yeah. It goes like this.

02:13:37.000 --> 02:13:39.439
It goes Origins, Mob of the Dead, and then...

02:13:39.439 --> 02:13:43.600
I can't pronounce Russian. Oh, mine's not even

02:13:43.600 --> 02:13:46.479
on your list. This conversation's dropping rapidly.

02:13:46.800 --> 02:13:49.920
Which one's yours? I like the race from... world

02:13:49.920 --> 02:13:52.579
of war yeah it's oh oh i love that map i can't

02:13:52.579 --> 02:13:54.520
wait to stand in a catwalk from around 15 up

02:13:54.520 --> 02:13:56.560
yeah it's great you know what yeah absolutely

02:13:56.560 --> 02:14:01.300
nothing no you are insane i like twins it's great

02:14:01.300 --> 02:14:03.399
it's great listen aesthetically it's lovely it

02:14:03.399 --> 02:14:05.739
was great for you when you were 11 it's not it

02:14:05.739 --> 02:14:08.939
doesn't and it's still great for me No, it needs

02:14:08.939 --> 02:14:11.340
more. And the Wunderwaffe is the best wonder

02:14:11.340 --> 02:14:14.640
weapon. Yes, Wunderwaffe. I know, it's great.

02:14:14.920 --> 02:14:18.579
It's a lovely weapon. 15 kills guaranteed with

02:14:18.579 --> 02:14:23.140
one shot. Don't you know that I am the prize?

02:14:23.680 --> 02:14:26.199
Yes, it's been a hot minute. What's the Lovecraft

02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:30.600
one? Shadows of Evil. That's one of my favorites.

02:14:30.859 --> 02:14:36.220
That's a great map. That's a map you've got to

02:14:36.220 --> 02:14:40.020
try again. That's the map that started them where

02:14:40.020 --> 02:14:41.800
it's like, oh, how do I pack a punch? Well, you

02:14:41.800 --> 02:14:44.380
got to do 10 backflips, backwards long jump up

02:14:44.380 --> 02:14:50.039
the catwalk, jerk off a horse. As someone who

02:14:50.039 --> 02:14:53.220
got to weigh 50 on Moon doing the... I'm just

02:14:53.220 --> 02:14:57.500
sorry for you. What do you think of Moon? Moon

02:14:57.500 --> 02:15:00.579
has an insane aesthetic. It has a really great

02:15:00.579 --> 02:15:03.279
look and general concept. And the zap gun is

02:15:03.279 --> 02:15:06.159
great. The problem is the... fucking excavators.

02:15:06.260 --> 02:15:10.039
Then you play Moon. It's the goddamn where you're

02:15:10.039 --> 02:15:11.579
like, oh, I got to take my helmet off to get

02:15:11.579 --> 02:15:13.340
this little hacking device to stop them from

02:15:13.340 --> 02:15:15.819
destroying my entire train loop. Moon is just

02:15:15.819 --> 02:15:19.020
like, Moon is inconvenience after inconvenience.

02:15:19.159 --> 02:15:21.739
Do you know what I mean? You exercise the girl

02:15:21.739 --> 02:15:23.319
of Richtofen and then you have the girl on your

02:15:23.319 --> 02:15:25.779
squad. The Easter egg doesn't count. What it

02:15:25.779 --> 02:15:28.899
will always come down to is something that Brookie

02:15:28.899 --> 02:15:31.079
said in another video. It's going to be... art

02:15:31.079 --> 02:15:34.399
direction over anything else the maps i will

02:15:34.399 --> 02:15:36.979
always remember will be things that had a stunning

02:15:36.979 --> 02:15:41.619
like unique direction to it you can't be I don't

02:15:41.619 --> 02:15:44.060
care. Like, the gameplay for zombies is not why

02:15:44.060 --> 02:15:46.819
we're there generally. Well, I don't agree with

02:15:46.819 --> 02:15:49.920
you on that one. Okay, you're going too far.

02:15:50.500 --> 02:15:54.060
Also, if we're going direction -wise, The Ultimate

02:15:54.060 --> 02:15:56.699
Decider is the best song, and Kino Dirt Toten

02:15:56.699 --> 02:15:59.020
has continued to be unmatched. You know what?

02:15:59.119 --> 02:16:01.579
I will agree with you. It's a top three. I'm

02:16:01.579 --> 02:16:03.899
actually a big Dead Flower, Zetsubou, Noshimo

02:16:03.899 --> 02:16:10.840
fan. I... I... So, okay, here's my hot take.

02:16:10.960 --> 02:16:13.520
Here's my hot take. Zetsubou no Shimo is a great

02:16:13.520 --> 02:16:16.239
map, but it is one of the worst solo experiences

02:16:16.239 --> 02:16:18.279
out there. If you have your friends, it's absolutely

02:16:18.279 --> 02:16:20.899
fantastic. That's fair. Yeah, no, I played it.

02:16:20.920 --> 02:16:22.880
I've only played it with friends. You know, it's

02:16:22.880 --> 02:16:25.819
fun. Nice foresight, Eli. Thank you. I'm bored.

02:16:25.880 --> 02:16:27.180
I'm showing the chat. What's your opinion of

02:16:27.180 --> 02:16:28.819
Shangri -La? I didn't paint this. My friend painted

02:16:28.819 --> 02:16:31.600
it. What's your opinion of Shangri -La? That's

02:16:31.600 --> 02:16:33.680
a good map. I think Shangri -La is abysmal dog

02:16:33.680 --> 02:16:36.559
shit. It's the worst map they've ever made. It's

02:16:36.559 --> 02:16:39.709
absolutely terrible. Absolutely terrible. There

02:16:39.709 --> 02:16:42.190
is no way to make me want to not play zombies

02:16:42.190 --> 02:16:44.549
with my friends and to see the host load up Shangri

02:16:44.549 --> 02:16:49.329
-La. Now, Ascension. Ascension is a very good

02:16:49.329 --> 02:16:51.370
map. Anyway, we're going to be rambling for like

02:16:51.370 --> 02:16:55.649
two more hours. We have a question of the week

02:16:55.649 --> 02:16:59.600
for a long time. No, we'll do it later. That's

02:16:59.600 --> 02:17:01.819
next week. We have some donations to go through,

02:17:01.899 --> 02:17:05.819
so a couple each. Mr. Botchamania. Calgar's comic

02:17:05.819 --> 02:17:07.879
literally stole his backstory from an Iron Handbook.

02:17:08.020 --> 02:17:11.559
It did. Yeah, but his is cooler. Yeah, it was.

02:17:12.520 --> 02:17:14.979
Declan Ellery for 10. Just learned that a new

02:17:14.979 --> 02:17:17.180
Necron book came out literally yesterday, so

02:17:17.180 --> 02:17:20.040
I know what I'm doing off the stream. Also, Bricky,

02:17:20.100 --> 02:17:22.040
I want you to know that I think Manfred would

02:17:22.040 --> 02:17:24.559
be a great Night Lord. Manfred's a bitch -ass

02:17:24.559 --> 02:17:26.299
motherfucker. He's not good enough to be a Night

02:17:26.299 --> 02:17:30.209
Lord. Oh, man. I feel like a lot of Night Lords

02:17:30.209 --> 02:17:33.450
can fall into that description. You're right.

02:17:35.069 --> 02:17:42.030
I think it's for me. It was the shit comment.

02:17:42.469 --> 02:17:47.250
Oh, yeah, probably. Most likely. Document USA

02:17:47.250 --> 02:17:52.640
has like two hours of Hal saying stuff. Ricky,

02:17:52.640 --> 02:17:56.379
Ricky, please read Spear of Faith. Call Rackle

02:17:56.379 --> 02:18:03.120
Wins. This isn't English. Those were words. Maybe

02:18:03.120 --> 02:18:07.899
it's Estia for producing Abelard. Actually, Brayden,

02:18:07.940 --> 02:18:10.120
I just got a message from Discord. Brayden's

02:18:10.120 --> 02:18:12.420
really angry that we were ranking the Navy low

02:18:12.420 --> 02:18:14.459
because Navy does have some books in the good.

02:18:15.899 --> 02:18:18.440
Navy's fine, but I'm more angry that Andy even

02:18:18.440 --> 02:18:21.579
put it on there. Yeah, me too. Wait, wait, wait.

02:18:22.319 --> 02:18:25.819
Why? Why? Because when we think of factions in

02:18:25.819 --> 02:18:27.440
Warhammer, you tend to think about particular

02:18:27.440 --> 02:18:30.440
things that can be played. Yeah. Yeah. And Imperial

02:18:30.440 --> 02:18:33.100
Navy Breachers does not count. Andy, have you

02:18:33.100 --> 02:18:34.559
met a human being who's... I'm pretty sure they

02:18:34.559 --> 02:18:36.780
had their own game mode devoted to them. Yeah,

02:18:36.780 --> 02:18:37.819
have you met a human being who's... Is it called

02:18:37.819 --> 02:18:41.899
Warhammer 40K? Battlefleet Gothic. Yeah, have

02:18:41.899 --> 02:18:44.399
you met one human being who's played Battlefleet

02:18:44.399 --> 02:18:46.639
Gothic? That doesn't... Raiden. Raiden's played

02:18:46.639 --> 02:18:50.239
Aeronautica. It still exists. Oh, wait, I'm sorry.

02:18:50.319 --> 02:18:53.579
What game mode is Navigator? What's the Navigator?

02:18:53.579 --> 02:18:57.739
Navigator's crazy, by the way. Navigator. Navigator

02:18:57.739 --> 02:19:01.219
is called Colin's waifu, Rogue Trader from Owlcat

02:19:01.219 --> 02:19:03.760
Games. Yeah, yeah, she's great. She's great.

02:19:03.799 --> 02:19:07.360
Who cares? She's not a faction. She's not a faction.

02:19:07.760 --> 02:19:10.379
And they have an entire book for them. Cassie's

02:19:10.379 --> 02:19:12.819
great. Abelard's great. You know, Abelard would

02:19:12.819 --> 02:19:15.020
be my dad, Cassie would be my wife. Easy. And

02:19:15.020 --> 02:19:17.219
no other faction has navigators that they talk

02:19:17.219 --> 02:19:19.700
about. The divorce dad's conference is getting

02:19:19.700 --> 02:19:29.280
wild this year. Anyway, Colin. What? What? shrine

02:19:29.280 --> 02:19:32.799
maiden sisters of battle 1gw thank you nuts we

02:19:32.799 --> 02:19:35.479
can only hope we can only hope well i mean that

02:19:35.479 --> 02:19:37.139
one should probably be easy though just put like

02:19:37.139 --> 02:19:39.600
a mass wait calling you're that you're the history

02:19:39.600 --> 02:19:42.600
guy right yes what what are those really big

02:19:42.600 --> 02:19:45.680
balls um don't go with this uh that monks wear

02:19:45.680 --> 02:19:48.379
around their necks i'm already failing unfortunately

02:19:48.379 --> 02:19:51.760
medieval history and catholicism is not my forte

02:19:52.459 --> 02:19:54.819
ah shit i was just thinking like sisters but

02:19:54.819 --> 02:19:56.700
instead of like the balls like incense containers

02:19:56.700 --> 02:20:00.059
like a nice terrible i can look up balls monk

02:20:00.059 --> 02:20:02.239
swear but i don't know if that's gonna give me

02:20:02.239 --> 02:20:05.239
what i want balls anyway how you're the you're

02:20:05.239 --> 02:20:06.940
the left for that guy right chomsky this shit

02:20:06.940 --> 02:20:10.520
oh my god i don't think i can do this glory be

02:20:10.520 --> 02:20:14.040
to the hunters was it no miss chomsky lads thank

02:20:14.040 --> 02:20:15.680
you for the stream i haven't laughed that long

02:20:16.350 --> 02:20:20.549
In a hard time. Sadly, since it's 2 .30am and

02:20:20.549 --> 02:20:23.569
I have work at 7, I must go home. Thanks for

02:20:23.569 --> 02:20:26.090
sticking around. Bless your soul. I wish you

02:20:26.090 --> 02:20:28.969
all a great rest of the day. Bricky, keep up

02:20:28.969 --> 02:20:32.590
the good work. Thanks, man. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

02:20:33.530 --> 02:20:37.709
I don't even know what that is. Which of you

02:20:37.709 --> 02:20:39.409
are keeping up with the Warhammer conference?

02:20:39.569 --> 02:20:45.719
What? I keep up with nothing. I don't even read

02:20:45.719 --> 02:20:48.979
new books. I only keep up with my credit checks

02:20:48.979 --> 02:20:52.760
and my alimony. I don't give a hell. Five guys

02:20:52.760 --> 02:20:55.620
in a room trying to make videos about stuff.

02:20:55.700 --> 02:20:58.139
There's nothing professional really about this.

02:20:59.059 --> 02:21:05.069
Hey, Hal, I write scripts. I did. Thank you for

02:21:05.069 --> 02:21:07.829
the $5. I did not know Hal was so white he can

02:21:07.829 --> 02:21:11.049
reflect the sun. I'm so white I got off with

02:21:11.049 --> 02:21:13.690
a warning. I was looking tired right now. You're

02:21:13.690 --> 02:21:18.549
looking tired, man. You've changed from the start

02:21:18.549 --> 02:21:23.700
of the stream. You look really tired. Andy, Rara

02:21:23.700 --> 02:21:26.079
at 666 says, Andy, if consider rogue traders

02:21:26.079 --> 02:21:28.579
and navigators a faction, where are the exodites,

02:21:28.719 --> 02:21:31.860
individual guard factions, necromunda factions,

02:21:32.219 --> 02:21:36.940
and trader guard? Where is my trader guard? Trader

02:21:36.940 --> 02:21:41.180
guard books, right? Dynasties. Let me answer

02:21:41.180 --> 02:21:44.940
that piece by piece. Exodites, bring me a book.

02:21:45.059 --> 02:21:47.680
You ain't got nada. Individual guard factions.

02:21:47.680 --> 02:21:50.860
I've got a third -party model. That's from Toy

02:21:50.860 --> 02:21:52.840
Story. Don't you give me that bullshit. I saw

02:21:52.840 --> 02:21:55.840
that. Oh, it's the chicken guy from Toy Story.

02:21:56.819 --> 02:22:02.739
Oh, fuck off. Individual guard regiments are

02:22:02.739 --> 02:22:04.479
encompassed in the guard regiment. You cannot

02:22:04.479 --> 02:22:09.750
couple. the navigators into the guard because

02:22:09.750 --> 02:22:12.569
they don't fight. And Necromunda, no one cares

02:22:12.569 --> 02:22:15.690
about Necromunda. I'm gonna fucking kill you.

02:22:15.829 --> 02:22:20.250
These reasonings are getting more and more stable.

02:22:21.370 --> 02:22:23.889
We could use all those reasonings and say we

02:22:23.889 --> 02:22:26.530
should have had the chapters or legions. All

02:22:26.530 --> 02:22:30.870
I'm saying is... I've never heard of an Eldar

02:22:30.870 --> 02:22:33.090
Navigator or an Ekron Navigator. Because they

02:22:33.090 --> 02:22:36.629
don't need them. Exactly! Oh, the lesser races

02:22:36.629 --> 02:22:38.909
are fighting again. Boys, it's going to be Stringer

02:22:38.909 --> 02:22:42.610
versus Rope in a bit. Come on. I'm just saying,

02:22:42.709 --> 02:22:45.069
we had a novel that talked about their entire

02:22:45.069 --> 02:22:48.030
hierarchy, and they were also in the Ragnar Blackman

02:22:48.030 --> 02:22:50.690
books as a whole bespoke thing. You're wrong.

02:22:50.870 --> 02:22:53.430
We got far, Sears. Thank you. We have a question

02:22:53.430 --> 02:22:56.750
of the week after this. What is Kaiju Blue? Thank

02:22:56.750 --> 02:22:59.010
you all very much for coming to this stream and

02:22:59.010 --> 02:23:01.170
thank you very much for Bricky. It has to be

02:23:01.170 --> 02:23:06.489
a thing. The last thing. Bricky, would you if

02:23:06.489 --> 02:23:13.469
you had the ability to double jump in real life,

02:23:13.569 --> 02:23:17.180
but The second jump, you shit yourself every

02:23:17.180 --> 02:23:20.420
time. Do you take this? Absolutely. Why wouldn't

02:23:20.420 --> 02:23:23.899
you take it? Why wouldn't you take it? This is

02:23:23.899 --> 02:23:26.319
a stupid question. This is a stupid question.

02:23:26.379 --> 02:23:28.959
Here's why it's a stupid -ass question. Here's

02:23:28.959 --> 02:23:31.860
why it's stupid, right? Because you said you

02:23:31.860 --> 02:23:35.940
can double jump. so i can just if i can just

02:23:35.940 --> 02:23:38.659
never do if i want to and then and then i can

02:23:38.659 --> 02:23:40.799
do circus acts for people and make a fuckload

02:23:40.799 --> 02:23:43.399
of money and just shit myself i'm like i don't

02:23:43.399 --> 02:23:46.299
care ma 'am if someone's like here here's a quarter

02:23:46.299 --> 02:23:49.079
million dollars like like spread trowel on camera

02:23:49.079 --> 02:23:53.000
like i'll do it for me there is there's no like

02:23:53.000 --> 02:23:57.379
okay if i need to double jump yeah it's worth

02:23:57.379 --> 02:23:59.770
shitting myself yeah You need to, like, make

02:23:59.770 --> 02:24:01.750
there be a chance that you poo your pants. Like,

02:24:01.750 --> 02:24:03.950
what is the need of this? I'm going to get hit

02:24:03.950 --> 02:24:06.530
by a car or I shit my pants. Would you step on

02:24:06.530 --> 02:24:09.969
this puppy for $77 trillion? Dude, I'm going

02:24:09.969 --> 02:24:12.850
to Adam Smasher, like, Rebecca Landon that fucking

02:24:12.850 --> 02:24:16.709
puppy and then shit on her. You can have, like,

02:24:16.729 --> 02:24:18.649
a suppository diuretic and then you'd be fine

02:24:18.649 --> 02:24:20.049
for the whole day and you'd double jump to your

02:24:20.049 --> 02:24:23.569
heart's content. Yes, Eli. God forbid a brother

02:24:23.569 --> 02:24:29.370
say something. You asked the question, Hal! You

02:24:29.370 --> 02:24:34.389
asked the question! DK said no. He was tripping.

02:24:36.209 --> 02:24:38.170
Don't forget the question of the week after this.

02:24:38.290 --> 02:24:39.569
I don't think this is a question of the week

02:24:39.569 --> 02:24:44.809
episode. Can we get an official stat from Spinosaurus?

02:24:45.610 --> 02:24:50.729
Huge. I love dinosaurs. I know. Stonies is the

02:24:50.729 --> 02:24:52.549
coolest thing until a prime record shines them.

02:24:52.590 --> 02:24:56.110
You're wrong on so many accounts. You're coping

02:24:56.110 --> 02:24:58.129
on the Valerian Alea books. That's it. Sorry.

02:24:58.270 --> 02:25:00.950
Oh, they are great. Bricky, bricky. High five.

02:25:00.969 --> 02:25:06.530
Ready? Three, two, one. Good man. Wait, I could

02:25:06.530 --> 02:25:10.450
do like a smiling friends bit. See, you would

02:25:10.450 --> 02:25:13.250
shit yourself. You would find a way to shit yourself.

02:25:13.729 --> 02:25:19.250
This is normal. We cannot undo this. I've died.

02:25:19.850 --> 02:25:21.989
We've had a lovely time, everyone. It's been

02:25:21.989 --> 02:25:23.969
two and a half hours for one tier list. I know,

02:25:24.090 --> 02:25:29.229
it's nuts. Sorry, Ricky. No, man. This is my

02:25:29.229 --> 02:25:31.989
people. I'm not beating the Warhammers. I'm making

02:25:31.989 --> 02:25:34.870
Warhammers sillier allegations. This is damn,

02:25:34.909 --> 02:25:36.809
damn true across the board. We've been beating

02:25:36.809 --> 02:25:39.729
those allegations for two years now. This is

02:25:39.729 --> 02:25:43.250
great. I think I can speak for all of us. Thank

02:25:43.250 --> 02:25:45.809
you so much for being on the pod. I think it's

02:25:45.809 --> 02:25:48.389
been absolute luck. It's been absolutely lovely

02:25:48.389 --> 02:25:51.610
to have you. Me and Amber King have met Ricky

02:25:51.610 --> 02:25:55.190
in person. It's a very fun time. Mind your own

02:25:55.190 --> 02:25:59.250
business. But other than that, would you like

02:25:59.250 --> 02:26:03.129
to... How was it? Did you have a good time? Do

02:26:03.129 --> 02:26:10.950
you have any last words? Okay, okay. In the serious

02:26:10.950 --> 02:26:14.170
actual thing, thank you very much for inviting

02:26:14.170 --> 02:26:16.510
me. It was a lovely time. I genuinely had a blast.

02:26:17.010 --> 02:26:19.670
It was very great to meet everyone and put faces,

02:26:19.850 --> 02:26:21.870
I mean, obviously with the two of you, but faces

02:26:21.870 --> 02:26:25.850
to Colin and Eli, of course. I always enjoy,

02:26:26.069 --> 02:26:30.680
as a lot of you know, I'm very much a... a much

02:26:30.680 --> 02:26:32.899
more like get a foot in the door type thing when

02:26:32.899 --> 02:26:35.100
it comes to a lot of 40k lore. And so it's really

02:26:35.100 --> 02:26:38.719
enjoyable to be able to share that same enjoyment

02:26:38.719 --> 02:26:42.079
with people who are in a similar vein and or

02:26:42.079 --> 02:26:46.360
much heavier diehards of the world, particularly

02:26:46.360 --> 02:26:49.120
Andy and Hal from your large amounts of read

02:26:49.120 --> 02:26:52.180
content. So it's always nice to kind of put myself

02:26:52.180 --> 02:26:55.780
and my own ideas to the forge, to the anvil.

02:26:56.280 --> 02:26:59.299
Just to like really kind of double check things.

02:26:59.340 --> 02:27:01.100
For example, I actually am kind of interested

02:27:01.100 --> 02:27:03.459
in the Iron Hand stuff now. Because I would have

02:27:03.459 --> 02:27:06.379
never believed you in the world. But people probably

02:27:06.379 --> 02:27:08.079
don't, they don't read Iron Hand's books. You're

02:27:08.079 --> 02:27:10.620
correct. And that's a concern that you have is

02:27:10.620 --> 02:27:12.360
now opening up something for me. So it's very

02:27:12.360 --> 02:27:14.639
interesting. I'm very excited for it. Eli has

02:27:14.639 --> 02:27:19.620
some base takes. And honestly, Colin, congrats

02:27:19.620 --> 02:27:22.280
on the pregnancy, dude. Thanks. I'm expecting

02:27:22.280 --> 02:27:24.659
any day now. I just got pinged in our Discord.

02:27:24.879 --> 02:27:30.690
When am I giving birth? so huge and can i stream

02:27:30.690 --> 02:27:33.530
it pardon me no of course uh but no genuinely

02:27:33.530 --> 02:27:36.270
thank you all very much um i'm not going to do

02:27:36.270 --> 02:27:38.450
the shout out stuff it's you can find me you

02:27:38.450 --> 02:27:44.049
know who you are that's not true uh but every

02:27:44.049 --> 02:27:47.510
single like handle i own is just at bricky so

02:27:47.510 --> 02:27:50.149
it's easy you know so yeah massive thank you

02:27:50.149 --> 02:27:55.420
d again warhammer lore is like really um stupid

02:27:55.420 --> 02:27:58.520
yeah yeah i love it man i love the thought the

02:27:58.520 --> 02:28:00.620
great thing always about it is like it's generally

02:28:00.620 --> 02:28:06.319
about your it's a lot if everyone watches a pub

02:28:06.319 --> 02:28:08.379
quiz on this channel you'll discover like between

02:28:08.379 --> 02:28:10.760
four people who do it every single day we are

02:28:10.760 --> 02:28:15.159
really like it's sometimes we get it like law

02:28:15.159 --> 02:28:19.020
crimes literally yeah so as in like is i just

02:28:19.020 --> 02:28:22.950
love even with like it does just the pure stupidity

02:28:22.950 --> 02:28:24.670
the depth and the amazing thing about warhammer

02:28:24.670 --> 02:28:27.329
and it's good to you know find it in common with

02:28:27.329 --> 02:28:30.129
people who literally opposite sides of the world

02:28:30.129 --> 02:28:32.649
and everyone is enjoying this thing that's the

02:28:32.649 --> 02:28:34.209
thing boys if everyone's listening at home thank

02:28:34.209 --> 02:28:36.239
you guys for listening for watching Hope you

02:28:36.239 --> 02:28:38.159
guys all enjoyed that. And hopefully, you know,

02:28:38.159 --> 02:28:40.219
everyone out there who's obviously, you know,

02:28:40.239 --> 02:28:41.760
we've all worked normal jobs, all of us have

02:28:41.760 --> 02:28:43.219
that. So if you're, you know, out there grinding,

02:28:43.319 --> 02:28:44.899
do your normal job or something like that, you

02:28:44.899 --> 02:28:46.500
know, hopefully made your day a bit better, man.

02:28:46.579 --> 02:28:49.479
So we'll see you guys all very, very soon. Check

02:28:49.479 --> 02:28:51.100
us out on the discord. If you want to join for

02:28:51.100 --> 02:28:56.639
stupid. We'll, we'll, we'll get that king of

02:28:56.639 --> 02:29:00.180
the hill stuff made. Don't you worry. And we'll

02:29:00.180 --> 02:29:02.459
see you guys on the next one then. Peace. Thanks.

02:29:02.579 --> 02:29:03.059
Bye everybody.