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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

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It is Law Crimes. Hooray! We've been gone for

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about a week. How is everyone? I'm good. I've

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had a week off -ish. I say week off. It wasn't

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really a week off. It was me reading a lot of

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stuff. Andy never has a week off. My dude is

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aggressively a workaholic. Colin is aggressively

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muted. No. I was simply throwing my voice. It'll

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arrive to your various locations shortly. He's

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practicing his thum. Exactly. I had to mute.

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It was too powerful. We should say, though, today

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is a slash lore slash kind of... answering a

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big question episode uh we're answering a very

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big one i'm almost i guess we can go kind of

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straight into it though because it's a it's a

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big concept in warhammer that i think we all

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have differing opinions about but i'm hoping

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after this massive lore dump i'm about to take

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on uh people here that maybe we'll kind of have

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a answer by the end of it so the big question

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is is the emperor a god uh maybe i'll ask guys

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before we start then i guess i'll do it from

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the order andy do you think the emperor is a

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god no but i think that i think but i think he

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has qualities that are god -ish he's like a demigod

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in my opinion which is the same thing what is

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what are you all uh i mean i look if it if it

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looks like a god speaks like a god you know acts

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like a god He's probably a god, you know? I'm

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gonna go affirm yes. Hmm. Fair enough, fair enough.

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To quote Gilman, is he a god I'd worship? Probably

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not. But, you know, I think he is. I think we've

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well past the point. Eli, what do you believe

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currently? Well, all -seeing, all -knowing entity

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that can reach across the galaxy and guides with

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the divine light, bringing miracles. To his people?

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Yeah, I'd say he's a god. Come on. Logar was

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right. Logar will get a mention today, but I

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guess to that, the question really starts with

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who are gods? We know, basically confirmed gods

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within Warhammer lore. We'll start off with Colin's

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favourite and a bit of Eli's favourite here.

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A nice and easy one, which is the Eldari Pantheon.

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I believe this is Warhammer Fantasy only, where

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it's a... They were previous survivors of what's

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called a Culper, which is like an entire timeline

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of a universe that supposedly is killed by...

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I think in FantasyCon, isn't it? Basically, the

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universe gets eaten by chaos and it's re -chucked

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out, and those who survive basically became entities

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that are called gods. That might just be fantasy.

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Yeah, in fantasy, that's kind of what they started

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going with. There are naturally, as with anything...

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directly out of the end times some funky contradictions

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if you think about it for too long uh but that

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is supposedly some of the lore that they introduced

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and in the 40k universe i may need correction

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if i get it wrong but from the 40k perspective

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it is that the old ones or basically when they

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crafted new races such as the ancient eldari

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they instructed the ancient eldar to essentially

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manifest their belief into creating warp beings

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that would do essentially manual labor or make

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things or craft things or do battle for them

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and say like they basically went if you guys

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all get in a group huddle and think really really

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hard together we can make like a god of war or

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a god of crafting or i was like you know they

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can literally make an entity that could do those

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things and then do amazing feats of creations

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although over time eventually they would kind

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of it would like do an inverse but like instead

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of the ancient eldari being like the masters

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and these quote -unquote gods the servants it

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would do a flip where they would forget that

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they didn't create them and it said like basically

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the gods have become the masters and then the

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ancient eldari up their poor victims would probably

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get you know anything to do with cain basically

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no one really likes cain He went a little rogue

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on that one. Although, you know, there's some

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lore where he was a pretty chill dude until he

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murdered the... Oh, I'm forgetting his name.

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Eldinash. No, not Eldinash. Oh, the bull. No,

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the Necron. Oh! Nightbringer. Jesus Christ, that

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completely escaped me for a moment. Supposedly

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he was a bit more of a chill, honorable guy until

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the Nightbringer got shattered and then his ick

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infected Cain. A thousand yards stare. Does his

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wife love him? Or does she kind of dislike him

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too? Because she's the crone. Well, part of her

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lore is that she needed her own blood, but the

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only person who could... pierce a god's body

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was Cain. So instead of asking politely, she

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sent the banshees to wail at him for thousands

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of years until he finally listened. So I don't

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know if they're exactly unspeaking. Even before

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death. From divorce court proceedings, I'm sure.

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Yeah, that's true. Also, as with all lore in

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heaven, you can find... 50 different interpretations.

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Where's the god of therapy, bro? Unfortunately,

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I think the closest one might be Zeej. That is

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bad. It does not bode well for anyone. But essentially,

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the Eldar pantheon are creations that, even without

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really, like, they are empowered by worship within

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the warp, but they kind of exist as beings, like,

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even if, say, the last Eldar stopped worshipping

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them. they kind of may still be around so they

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are essentially you know they are fixed points

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of uh power that are gods there's also eli will

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have to help me on this one which is the katan

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are also considered in universe or yeah so that's

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right gods uh they were as um but they're still

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good well this is the this is the debate we're

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getting with it because then if it's just about

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warp stuff it could basically almost end the

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is the emperor a god discussion here but then

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technically the katan do exist in warhammer and

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for a brief like summary of their background

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they were like floating star clouds things that

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devoured suns until they eventually took form

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like more like not immortal but um physical form

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in some sense into necrodermis bodies that were

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crafted for them by the necron tier not quite

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the necrons yet They definitely would screw them

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over and turn them into Necrons. The Necron...

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The Catan at this point, though, they were...

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This is millions and millions of years ago. 60

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million years ago. And they would... Round it

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up to a nice 65 million years. That way we can

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blame the dinosaurs on Cain and the Catan. A

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few milli. I mean, at that level of time, not

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much. No, but they would mold themselves to...

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uh look more like the necron tears own pantheon

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of gods that they would uh not like the elder

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ones which were you know manifesting and you

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could actually interact with the god it was more

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like they just believed in it in a way kind of

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you know say like any like zeus or thor or anything

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like that it was more like that level of like

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oh it's we have deities that we you know are

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part of our mythology and history and then the

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katana would change to look like them Has there

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been anything regarding the old Eldar gods? Or

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is that just kind of they had them and it's like

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you said, they might not even have existed? I've

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done my Eldar deed dive early in the year. I

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couldn't really find much about where they come

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from. They're just there. And part of my sticking

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point of this whole topic of what's considered

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a god or not, I think a big thing for me is it

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has to have a supernatural, not within the laws

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of physics kind of grounding. katan they are

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space dust that's put in like for all intents

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and purposes a really nice jug like it's clouded

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sentient dust in space that you put in a thing

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and now it's really powerful but i wouldn't call

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it a god the emperor is a man who was born as

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a man and he might transcend into a powerful

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being through supernatural pokery jiggery but

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then the elder gods it sounds more like they

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kind of just exist as a part of again like an

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otherworldly power beyond the bounds of of the

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natural laws where i'm more like that might be

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considered a god whereas the katana i'd say nah

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they're just they're just super powerful it's

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interesting you say that though i think eli can

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uh maybe back me up on this here which is with

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the katana themselves they like as the war in

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heaven starts they start to consume so much like

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life energy that the Necrons, I think, even state

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they considered them to be part of the fabric

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of the universe itself. I was going to say, yeah,

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at a certain point, like, killing a Catan supposedly

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will deeply damage reality. Like, if you do actually

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do them in. They were there since the beginning.

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Which, granted, again, there's the cursed, like,

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the Flayer Catan that all his death really did

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was make some Necrons get a little bit icky,

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so the veracity of that statement might be in

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question. But theoretically, there is some fundamental

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aspects tied to them, like tying them to reality.

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I mean, the Kataan themselves are not said to

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have been necessarily even born. So, like, who

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knows? They may have always been around. In theory,

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an uncaused cause basically making them some

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sort of divine being. Yeah, but most of what

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our... like law understanding of them is through

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like their changed form rather than like as in

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what they they may have or they may have always

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been there and again like as colin said basically

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the necrons got to the point in which when they

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when uh uh the silent king turned upon them you

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know at the probably late stages of the war in

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heaven the katana basically fighting each other

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because they're so powerful and they can literally

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consume planets by a sniff uh they do use like

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literal um universe -breaking weapons. Obviously,

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as we know in certain lore, only one Catan is

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said to have died. And to be fair, even Eldar

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of Gold, some of them have actually full -on

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just died. Although, again, they could come back

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in another iteration if worship happened. Obviously,

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yeah, if this is more fantasy lore granted, but

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they could, there is evidence very much that

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they can reincarnate even if they're like properly

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dead. And I don't know, I mean, it could be like

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a, you know, Kronos and his children situation

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with Sinesh where could be around in there, just

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not exactly easy to get them out. In theory,

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depending on how much you believe their story,

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like I said, we're not always space dust. And

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they were reduced to that state because they

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originally lost a war with the Old Ones. What?

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That might have just been a made -up story that

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they told the Necrons. Old Ones continuing to

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be the GOAT off -screen. They got everything

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they deserved. And then they're on -screen and

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it's like, damn, you people suck. They also mentioned

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the Catan are liars. There's one called literally

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the Deceiver because he deceived. So maybe some

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parts of it are not fully trusted. it does show

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you like it doesn't necessarily have to be a

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warp entity or like interactions with the immaterial

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verse that defines what a god is it's something

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where literally destroying it in some way ruins

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the fabric of the universe and obviously the

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katana now broken into shards and the necrons

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do not i mean they could i guess at some point

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they thought about killing them uh but obviously

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they'd done that once and then it made a flare

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virus and other things pretty bad so it it clearly

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is not it will destroy the universe and maybe

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so there will always be katana unfortunately

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uh the next one's obviously the most famous one

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that we know of is the chaos gods which again

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formed in like the mirror universe of the warp

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uh it's essentially a collection of sentient

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life's emotions they make ripples in uh the warp

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itself and then all this like strife since like

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the war in heaven millions of years ago which

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kind of damaged the warp and other things. It

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would ripple, and then all these powers would

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coalesce into beings that we would call the Chaos

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Gods. And they would have three, obviously, main

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ones, which are Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch,

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who eventually would be powerful enough to carve

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out larger parts of the warp and then to be established

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as kind of gods in their universe. And then obviously

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the Eldar managed to literally birth a god because

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they were scum. I would like to once again reiterate

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that it was not the Eldar. Everyone who claims

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the Craft Rulers and the Exodites and the Harlequins

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are idiots. The Eldari. For my interpretation

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of what you consider a god, with the Eldar and

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Chaos gods in mind, Chaos gods are tethered to

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every living being in the universe. So they are

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literally a coalescing of, like Khorne, for example,

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is honor, but also bloodlust and anger. And he's

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kind of a primordial thing. And when the Eldar

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gods were taken down, though Slaanesh, the god

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of excess, was the one that caused the death

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of the Eldar gods. there was a fight between

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Khorne and Slaanesh where Khorne's like, oi,

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oi, Kayn, he's mine. He's one of mine. That's

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my, I get that. You're an upstart. You just got

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here. I've been, he's my thing. So if we consider,

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like, I would consider the Chaos Gods more a

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god in the traditional sense than even the Eldar

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gods, because even they have some kind of predating

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ever. to their own pantheon and that and also

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they are from like a a mystical mysterious other

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realm outside of the material universe unlike

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the katan who are grounded in the material universe

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and in my opinion i would say the chaos gods

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are more like a god they are called chaos gods

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but they're more like they're primordial they

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exist in their own little realm They're connected

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to all living beings, whether they know it or

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not. Catan, not so much. Eldar gods, not so much.

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If you're a human, Eldar gods have nothing to

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do with you. If you're an Ogryn, you've never

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even heard of what a Catan is because it doesn't

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matter because they've not been around for ages

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and they're not connected to you in any way.

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Whereas any of the chaos gods, oh yeah, they've

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got their fingers in every pie and the pies are

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all full of... Terrible things. Some gods are

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more powerful than others, unfortunately. Speaking

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of the grand... Speaking of the grand... Yeah.

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That poor girl. Speaking of the grand debate...

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In the jar. The bathwater. Before that, imprisoned

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in lava for millions of years. But the grand...

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The big question is, well, the person who we

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are talking about... the emperor uh his backstory

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is not that of a god he is a man he is born in

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what would be anatolia on earth it's like around

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about 6 000 bc and this would be the child that

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would eventually become the emperor he is a psyker

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uh which obviously he has some interaction and

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power linked to the war but at this point he's

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kind of just a dude Apart from, I mean, we only

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really know him as Neoth. That's like his earliest

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name. That's probably not even the name he was

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born with. But there is something special about

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him, which is he is a perpetual. And for basically

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the uninitiated, perpetuals are humans who are

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immortal. They basically kind of don't really

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age. They can heal from any grievous injury,

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literally like a puddle of... meat they could

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come back from. They're basically Wolverine without

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the claws. Kind of, yeah. They just don't age.

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They essentially are immortals. They don't say

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bum. At what point do they stop aging? Is that

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even ever? They all kind of look around 40, I

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think. I have it in my head. They all look around

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40. Apart from Malkador, he looks old. Is the

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shaman story not... Is that dead now? It's not

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considered... like as in canon but isn't like

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it's a theory uh about how well do you want to

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explain it for the people listening just briefly

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you know yeah yeah the uh way way back in the

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day in theory a bunch of shamans i don't know

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what the number well very like the first psychers

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you could say of humanity got together and uh

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committed mass ritual service lied and supposedly

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like to sacrifice themselves for the greater

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good to make this god -like being which is the

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emperor so the story goes i don't know where

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the story came from but that's been the story

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in the community forever so it's only earlier

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one there's also like there's no there's nothing

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saying it's not canon there's also nothing saying

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like they are continuing that idea it's yeah

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it's something that it's one of the many theories

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they add to the pile to and it does remind me

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a lot of the Joker from Batman's origins where

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he, he says so many different things of how he

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became the Joker that no one knows what the correct

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answer is, but that's kind of the point. It's

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to keep the mystique of what is the Joker and

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how did he turn out like this? Yeah. You keep

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talking. I was depending, but depending on the

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theory in question and the quality of the writing,

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it's either to create mystique or because GW

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can't be bothered to fill in their own blanks

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sometimes. Do anyone know where that theory comes

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from? It is early lore though. Is that like rogue

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trader lore? Might be. I've heard it in a Luton

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video so you know it's legit in some sense. It's

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from somewhere. Luton's not really wrong most

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of the time. It came to me in a dream. I believe

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him. But Azis Neoth, we'll call him for a little

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while, he would also find that there were other

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perpetuals. who lived at this time in early BC

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humanity, some even older than him, such as Alanius,

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no, Olly Person. Alanius Pius later, though.

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Eventually, he would kind of become a pseudo

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-leader for a lot of the other perpetuals. He

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would fight with some of them, like with Alanius

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Person, and then he would discover... come across

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chaos as an existence in the Tower of Babel or

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Babel. And he was kind of into like, oh, we should

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study this. And then Alonius was like, no, absolutely

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not. And they destroyed the tower because he's

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like, don't look at chaos. It's bad. It corrupts

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you. The Neoth is more like, well, if we don't

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understand it, how can we fight it? So as you

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can tell, it kind of, well, we'll see how that

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turns out in the end for him. As the millennia

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has passed, humanity is happening. You know,

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medieval ages, roaring 20s, all that good things.

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Neoth is, again, just in the background. He's

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gathering other perpetuals who were, like, born

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over history as humanity enters in, like, to

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10 ,000 years or 20 ,000 years. And he kind of

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sees himself as their leader. And he believes

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that one day they will, as perpetuals, like,

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shepherd humanity. But it's too, humanity's not

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ready yet. he'd also at this time find small

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pieces that would begin the construction of what

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would be later the Golden Throne. So he finds

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ancient technology on Earth, or Terra as it's

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called. So eventually we get to around mid -25

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,000 or something, where humanity's golden age,

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where it ruled all the stars, went absolute dog

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-shy. Warpstorms ruined everything. There's like

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the Age of Strife. Eldar. Okay, okay. Old ones.

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War in Heaven ruined the Warp. Fuck off. No,

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no, no. I will not stand for this. I'm an Eldar

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fan. I'm a Warhammer fantasy fan. I run on Copium.

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Eventually Neoth would gather Quite a few of

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the perpetuals, and they would go on a not quite

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FTL ship, so not quite a fast and light travel

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ship. And they would travel to a planet called

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Moloch. I guess before we go any further, do

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we do a few more? We've got tons. I will see

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when I can. Could you share it with me? Because

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I can't open it from my viewer. From Card Shark.

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For 10 CA. Probably not. I'm going to miss the

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stream due to a real crunch work week. Have fun

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and I will catch you in the remastered video.

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Good luck, man. Thank you. Good luck. I've roast

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the colorblind way. A pot on my birthday. Thank

00:22:21.670 --> 00:22:23.710
you for the 10. A pot on my birthday. For that,

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I won't double the price of insulin for a bit.

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Thank you, sir. Happy birthday. Happy birthday,

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man. I don't need to be paying quadruple digits

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for healthcare. It's already up there. Twelve

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babies don't take one. How would you do that?

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How would you do that? Can we discuss changing

00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:48.319
channel names? Driving isn't illegal on Fenris.

00:22:48.380 --> 00:22:52.160
It's mandatory. True, man. They don't have roads.

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That's why I judge the Space Wolves too harshly.

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thank you for the 10 straight sounding on the

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big couch in the test tube lab okay wow thank

00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:09.339
you thank you for that no stream over that's

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the response to the title see man of talent woden

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for 50 dkk thank you colin i finally picked up

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gotrek and felix thanks to you and i've been

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enjoying a lot so far well i'm glad you're liking

00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.539
it man Very nice. That is nice to hear. I think

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you need to read this one, Colin. It's for Andy,

00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:31.480
though. It's the silliest clown, though. Thank

00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:36.019
you for the 20. Andy, I like the use of Valkyria

00:23:36.019 --> 00:23:38.240
Chronicles music in the vacation video. I thought

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I noticed that. Also, the four of you are handsome.

00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:44.279
Well, thank you. I'm glad for once that all of

00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:49.089
us got a compliment. Hal in particular has a

00:23:49.089 --> 00:23:51.490
very nice side profile. The amount of side profiles

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Andy did in that Ireland video. It was very nice

00:23:57.089 --> 00:24:00.930
of you guys to celebrate Colin's birthday. Happy

00:24:00.930 --> 00:24:03.630
birthday, Colin, for the 50th time this year.

00:24:03.670 --> 00:24:06.069
I do appreciate that in the first 30 seconds

00:24:06.069 --> 00:24:09.089
of that, it's me and Eli fucking zonked out on

00:24:09.089 --> 00:24:13.910
the couch. I slowly zoom into Hal's face. Oh

00:24:13.910 --> 00:24:18.799
my god, the picture. yeah she'll actually sweat

00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.220
as a gripper for two canadian late stream late

00:24:21.220 --> 00:24:23.579
oh no i'm sorry donkey man i said i'll notify

00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:26.519
uh late to stream but love you all freaky style

00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:30.039
well we love you too not freaky style though

00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:37.279
thank you brother thank you main event virgil

00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:39.900
thank you for the 10 saw your dublin vid just

00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:42.819
so you know in the rest of ireland dub Dubliner

00:24:42.819 --> 00:24:46.119
is used as a slur. Don't let that waste through

00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:48.740
your view of Ireland. People here are great and

00:24:48.740 --> 00:24:51.259
very friendly, except dubs. Wow, I just said

00:24:51.259 --> 00:24:53.839
a slur. I did not know that. Thank you very much.

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We're at these designated toilets. Speaking of,

00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.359
happy birthday. I wish that you were the five.

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I wish to one day see a world where chicken can

00:25:01.460 --> 00:25:03.700
cross roads without having their motives questioned.

00:25:04.579 --> 00:25:13.759
Real. Also, happy birthday, Colin. Wow. Tybross

00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.259
the colorblind wake for two. She boingob on my

00:25:16.259 --> 00:25:20.200
son till I immolate. Very topical. He's back

00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:24.660
again. Thank you, Bucky. I will let you out in

00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:28.380
a minute. My theory is Big E is a dark age of

00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:31.680
tech or AI weapon. A biological STC for super

00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:34.099
soldiers. That would explain why his only consistent

00:25:34.099 --> 00:25:36.640
actions are to make living weapons. He is missing

00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:40.039
his master's instructions. I like that. I like

00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:47.299
that. I also like this. I think the Emperor is

00:25:47.299 --> 00:25:54.720
just dumb. Yeah, I agree. Wow. Scarsnick. Scarsnick's

00:25:54.720 --> 00:26:00.650
a hot guy. He's fully Scarsnick. I give you the

00:26:00.650 --> 00:26:03.250
50 knock. Missed the last stream. Will miss this

00:26:03.250 --> 00:26:06.269
one too. Anyway, does Big E have his foreskin?

00:26:06.390 --> 00:26:08.309
And if not, which Primark will return with it

00:26:08.309 --> 00:26:11.150
as a relic? As a perpetual, I feel like he can't

00:26:11.150 --> 00:26:13.410
be circumcised. It would come back, I think.

00:26:13.950 --> 00:26:18.589
We got a ginormous donation here from the nonchalant

00:26:18.589 --> 00:26:24.269
ostrich. $100 reduce. Thank you so much. Nonchalant

00:26:24.269 --> 00:26:29.930
ostrich. So fantastic. I think this is one for

00:26:29.930 --> 00:26:32.990
you to read, Colin. I've seen some VTubers reacting

00:26:32.990 --> 00:26:35.450
to Colin's content. My boys officially made it.

00:26:36.490 --> 00:26:39.190
It's finally happening. Thank you so much, man.

00:26:39.549 --> 00:26:42.150
That's so nice of you. In much more unfortunate

00:26:42.150 --> 00:26:44.089
news, I watched one of them and in the first

00:26:44.089 --> 00:26:46.069
minutes they said, I don't like elves, I think

00:26:46.069 --> 00:26:48.210
I like Bretonnia. I was like, well, alright,

00:26:48.369 --> 00:26:52.029
that's a bit of a kick in the sack. And then

00:26:52.029 --> 00:26:57.130
you went copyright strike. Danger tickle for

00:26:57.130 --> 00:27:01.029
50 SEK. Glad catching you live again. It makes

00:27:01.029 --> 00:27:03.049
it better as a mom and dad are yelling in the

00:27:03.049 --> 00:27:11.529
kitchen. Wow. How is the B -Tech loot? Wow. Love

00:27:11.529 --> 00:27:15.400
it. thank you and last one just create a gym

00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:17.539
for two a couple of shillings to mention iron

00:27:17.539 --> 00:27:32.099
warriors yes uh so essentially mr big boy himself

00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:35.400
knee off he gathers all these perpetuals and

00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.720
in a very slow ship that would probably take

00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.539
Well over, like, a hundred years to arrive. It's

00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:46.019
like a sublight ship, isn't it? Yeah, so it could

00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:48.519
only be crewed by a perpetual crew who wouldn't

00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.539
die of old age. Who're just hanging out. Must

00:27:51.539 --> 00:27:53.799
have been really boring, I imagine. After year

00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.480
a hundred, I'm sure. I don't know, it doesn't

00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.319
say how he knew, but he went to a planet, well,

00:27:59.339 --> 00:28:01.839
they all went to a planet called Moloch. And

00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:07.440
eventually, Neoth would enter into a gate of

00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:12.220
the warp. and this is where it gets crazy. And

00:28:12.220 --> 00:28:14.720
then he said, bad touch, bad touch, bad touch,

00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.160
and he lost his sense of humour. That's lore.

00:28:17.259 --> 00:28:20.480
He went in, he came out, and he went, oh, oh

00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.019
no. I should explain, before this, he's kind

00:28:24.019 --> 00:28:27.140
of, I mean, how old would he be? He'll be like

00:28:27.140 --> 00:28:30.859
20, he'll be nearly 30 ,000 years old at this

00:28:30.859 --> 00:28:34.119
point before he's entered this Moloch gate. And

00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.420
at this point, the Emperor is kind of, He's a

00:28:37.420 --> 00:28:39.559
very powerful psyker, probably the most powerful

00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.200
amongst all the perpetuals. He's obviously 30

00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:44.720
,000 years old, but he's still just a perpetual

00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:49.480
at this point. And then Neoth enters the gate

00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:53.319
on Moloch. And this is like, this is still heavily

00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.119
debated in lore because it's kind of, there will

00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.339
never be a true answer to this, but we can kind

00:28:59.339 --> 00:29:01.660
of infer like based off of what would happen

00:29:01.660 --> 00:29:04.359
later where Horus himself would do the same thing

00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:07.500
during the Horus heresy. And when Horus emerged

00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:12.359
from the warp gate, he essentially said he experienced

00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.319
thousands of years worth of time in the warp.

00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:18.680
He'd done great quests. He fought things. He

00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.680
had uncovered artifacts and other things. He

00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.200
did loads of side quests, essentially, for the

00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.519
Chaos Gods in exchange for power and knowledge.

00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.160
And it may be that Neoth had a similar experience

00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:32.960
where he essentially made pacts with the Chaos

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.259
Gods to... essentially receive knowledge and

00:29:36.259 --> 00:29:39.539
power from them. Well, so they claim, but as

00:29:39.539 --> 00:29:42.059
we know, chaos kind of lies. So it could be that

00:29:42.059 --> 00:29:45.700
Neof just essentially enters the warp and he's

00:29:45.700 --> 00:29:47.440
able to survive there and he survives for a very

00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.720
long time and then he gathers knowledge from

00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.000
the secret of the warp himself. Or it could be

00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.920
from chaos. It's a 50 -50, really. But to the

00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.680
people on the outside, Neof emerges basically

00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.660
as soon as he stepped in, he stepped out. But

00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:05.559
you can't see that he's experienced thousands

00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:09.019
and thousands of years. Except when he's emerged,

00:30:09.339 --> 00:30:12.900
he is infinitely more powerful. His psychic power

00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:16.740
is so much more potent. It hurts to look at him.

00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:20.460
He is so much stronger. And he's obviously filled

00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:24.039
with knowledge that no human should ever possess.

00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:28.700
Or probably shouldn't possess. And it also said

00:30:28.700 --> 00:30:31.849
he basically emerged... Even with the knowledge

00:30:31.849 --> 00:30:35.109
of how to craft beings like Primarchs, or part

00:30:35.109 --> 00:30:37.410
of it as well. So obviously he learned quite

00:30:37.410 --> 00:30:40.690
a lot through there. We should also say some

00:30:40.690 --> 00:30:43.150
things about, basically, we're getting to what

00:30:43.150 --> 00:30:46.509
is like the 30th millennium now. He's now, you

00:30:46.509 --> 00:30:49.650
know, pretty much, he's still not known to wider

00:30:49.650 --> 00:30:53.630
humanity, but a supremely powerful being. We

00:30:53.630 --> 00:30:55.329
should mention some of his powers as well. But

00:30:55.329 --> 00:30:59.069
at this point, like 30th millennium. The Perpetuals

00:30:59.069 --> 00:31:01.390
who had joined him to Moloch, a few of them are

00:31:01.390 --> 00:31:05.029
still loyal to him in some way. They're meant

00:31:05.029 --> 00:31:07.829
to be equals in some way, but he kind of considers

00:31:07.829 --> 00:31:12.049
himself their leader. Only really Malkador is

00:31:12.049 --> 00:31:16.359
kind of left. The Primarch's mother. Erda kind

00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.980
of is. There's also Aaliyah, the one who stayed

00:31:18.980 --> 00:31:21.819
on Molok as well. I feel like most of the others

00:31:21.819 --> 00:31:23.720
have abandoned him at this point. And they're

00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.660
kind of sussy because it's like Malkador, he's

00:31:26.660 --> 00:31:28.640
a strange one because he's the last of the Sigilites

00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:32.039
who are this weird clandestine order of perpetuals.

00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.279
And I know some people are like, was he similar

00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.140
to the shaman thing infused with the other perpetuals

00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:39.140
of his order and made more powerful than the

00:31:39.140 --> 00:31:42.299
other ones? Because he's lieutenant of the emperor

00:31:42.299 --> 00:31:45.339
and Erda's... Primarch mummy. I didn't have a

00:31:45.339 --> 00:31:48.559
theory about this. I need to know how this hits

00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.640
the other boys here. I think... You're going

00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:53.440
to hate me for saying it, but I think Malkador

00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.480
is kind of like a John Chromaticus. He's a fake

00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:02.880
perpetual. John Chromaticus was made... For people

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.420
who don't know, Drunken Master is like a human

00:32:04.420 --> 00:32:06.319
side character at the Horus Heresy who's very

00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.460
annoying. He's basically like a main character.

00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.660
He's basically Bugs Bunny in Warhammer. He's

00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:15.579
really annoying. When you put him like that,

00:32:15.660 --> 00:32:18.759
I can't help but like him more. He works with

00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.420
a cabal of aliens who basically want to kill

00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:23.460
humanity so that chaos doesn't get powerful and

00:32:23.460 --> 00:32:26.160
all that stuff. But he is a perpetual, but he

00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.299
was made into one by essentially resurrection.

00:32:30.170 --> 00:32:32.829
And I think, I mean, Jon even probably looks

00:32:32.829 --> 00:32:34.410
a bit older than what the other perpetuals do.

00:32:34.589 --> 00:32:38.410
And Erda, who's, like, the Primarch's quote -unquote

00:32:38.410 --> 00:32:41.369
mother, does explain to Jon during the Horus

00:32:41.369 --> 00:32:42.529
of the Heresy and, like, Siege of Terror, like,

00:32:42.630 --> 00:32:45.829
he's a fake one, because, like, Neoth and Erda

00:32:45.829 --> 00:32:48.549
and other ones, like, Alania's person, they were

00:32:48.549 --> 00:32:52.109
born perpetuals, whereas I think, like, Malkador

00:32:52.109 --> 00:32:55.849
and Jon Gramatikus are, like, created into one

00:32:55.849 --> 00:32:58.980
by essentially... mass power resurrected and

00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:01.700
making them immortal. So that's why Malkor is

00:33:01.700 --> 00:33:06.099
old as shit. He's bald. His hair's not real.

00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:09.119
I don't believe his hair's real at all. This

00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.559
is pure fan theory, but I've also read he might

00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.039
just be doing that for appearances. You'd look

00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:15.539
at the old guy and you're like, oh, that's some

00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:18.509
old... Probably intelligent, but, you know, old,

00:33:18.569 --> 00:33:20.730
frail guy. I don't need to worry about him. And

00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:23.069
then he obliterates you. He can run as fast as

00:33:23.069 --> 00:33:26.009
a custodian, which is hilarious. Yeah, Malkador

00:33:26.009 --> 00:33:30.670
does definitely pretend to be more... He leans

00:33:30.670 --> 00:33:32.690
on his staff and he's a bit like, don't mind

00:33:32.690 --> 00:33:35.410
me, I'm just an old man. And then Lorgar backhands

00:33:35.410 --> 00:33:38.490
him in the Burning of Monarchia. Takes it on

00:33:38.490 --> 00:33:41.079
the chin. barely stumbles you know oh that's

00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:43.759
not an old old frail man he's got backhanded

00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.920
by an eight local backhand old man i don't think

00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.140
there's anything wrong with that theory but he

00:33:50.140 --> 00:33:53.539
could also like equally just be faking it so

00:33:53.539 --> 00:33:56.880
people underestimate him like it could very much

00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.519
just be don't worry about the old guy and then

00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.740
like you said andy yeah he gets backhanded by

00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:04.119
a primark and he's like thank you sir may i have

00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.359
another I might be misremembering, but I'm pretty

00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.119
sure in some of the Garrow books that he's in,

00:34:10.179 --> 00:34:12.440
there are little subtle lines where it's like,

00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:14.860
he starts as he works more with Malkadoy, he

00:34:14.860 --> 00:34:18.420
kind of gets like, oh, he's very good at misdirecting

00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:20.500
people. And there's like more alluding to that.

00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.039
As is fitting for the guy who basically created,

00:34:23.179 --> 00:34:26.719
let's be honest, 90 % of the Imperium. The Emperor

00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.929
was not doing the paperwork. But it's like, I

00:34:30.929 --> 00:34:33.329
just find it amusing with the whole fake perpetual

00:34:33.329 --> 00:34:35.489
thing. It's kind of like, remember back in the

00:34:35.489 --> 00:34:38.250
90s when Pokemon first came out and you got Mew

00:34:38.250 --> 00:34:40.489
and you'd have to go to an event somewhere and

00:34:40.489 --> 00:34:42.739
then like... grammaticus et al are all just like

00:34:42.739 --> 00:34:45.400
game shop in the 90s come on it's just like yeah

00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:50.739
i wasn't around oh my god youngins i was bored

00:34:50.739 --> 00:35:00.440
yeah okay for a old man moment but essentially

00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.440
also explaining like well you know at this point

00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.980
uh malkador convinces me off to call himself

00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:13.739
mcdonald convinces me off to be the emperor so

00:35:13.739 --> 00:35:16.300
he eventually so now he'll basically be the emperor

00:35:16.300 --> 00:35:19.460
of mankind uh as you know as a title because

00:35:19.460 --> 00:35:24.340
it's much more ruler like apparently um we should

00:35:24.340 --> 00:35:26.199
say like being in the presence of the emperor

00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:29.199
said before like it literally is like tear -inducing

00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.659
perfection he is said to be like a real thing

00:35:32.659 --> 00:35:36.500
like he's like humanity personified um being

00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:39.599
near him like near him heals injuries of people

00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.619
no one can see his true face none of the primarks

00:35:42.619 --> 00:35:46.119
can even really remember what he looks like he

00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.019
can shape shift so he can take on forms of like

00:35:49.019 --> 00:35:51.480
what's the famous one is like apocalypsis or

00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.139
um uh revelation which is like his alter ego

00:35:55.139 --> 00:35:57.900
like a normal looking dude and so he can he can

00:35:57.900 --> 00:36:00.739
hide his power but Again, is that what he really

00:36:00.739 --> 00:36:02.880
looks like? Who knows? Maybe he doesn't even

00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.099
remember. Although the Sisters of Silence have

00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:06.400
a fun thing where they're just like, oh, this

00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.880
is some dude. They're the ones who are soulless.

00:36:09.099 --> 00:36:11.039
They look at the Emperor and say, oh, this is

00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.579
some dude, isn't it? He's cool. He's a guy. And

00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:18.320
they worship him now as well. Crazy. This is

00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:20.880
the part where it gets contentious because I

00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:22.820
don't even think many would argue he's a god

00:36:22.820 --> 00:36:28.480
at this point. But he is a Psyker and Psykers...

00:36:28.860 --> 00:36:32.440
He possesses this power like many others would,

00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.179
or one such as Conrad Kurz or Sanguinius would.

00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.039
They have prescient power, so they can see parts

00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:41.099
of the future. And this is where the point where

00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:44.579
it gets kind of... It makes sense, but I can

00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:47.000
understand why people find this annoying. He

00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.920
explains it to this custodian Ra that his prescient

00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.679
power is so powerful that it's basically a debuff.

00:36:55.380 --> 00:36:59.539
It's like he can see... almost like basically

00:36:59.539 --> 00:37:02.579
like he can see so many futures and he can see

00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:05.880
each individual like human decision things that

00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.380
will ruin one future creates new ones and like

00:37:08.380 --> 00:37:11.239
other things that essentially it's impossible

00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:14.739
to actually see what the future is because like

00:37:14.739 --> 00:37:16.920
he i guess he could see the future but then it's

00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.639
there's too many of them where like again it's

00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.420
probably better just to see one vision of the

00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:23.980
future rather than actually like or two visions

00:37:23.980 --> 00:37:28.150
rather than like three million because at that

00:37:28.150 --> 00:37:30.570
point you're almost paralyzed by a decision like

00:37:30.570 --> 00:37:34.250
he explains it like he's in a rowboat navigating

00:37:34.250 --> 00:37:37.010
over a sea and then he has to climb a mountain

00:37:37.010 --> 00:37:40.190
but then each decision like affects a wave each

00:37:40.190 --> 00:37:43.610
other thing changes you know how well he climbs

00:37:43.610 --> 00:37:45.190
the mountain or something like his basic end

00:37:45.190 --> 00:37:48.570
goals are almost near impossible to achieve because

00:37:48.570 --> 00:37:51.150
there's so many things that get in the way of

00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:54.789
him seeing a true future it's like an obscenely

00:37:54.789 --> 00:37:57.210
large menu at a restaurant while you really need

00:37:57.210 --> 00:37:58.769
to go for a wee and you're looking at the menu

00:37:58.769 --> 00:38:01.210
for a kaleidoscope like oh this is stressful

00:38:01.210 --> 00:38:05.510
you know it is it's like trying to um it's like

00:38:05.510 --> 00:38:07.849
a meme of like someone's put on a like a padlock

00:38:07.849 --> 00:38:10.550
on like your trousers or something i need to

00:38:10.550 --> 00:38:12.329
get the number off so you can go to the toilet

00:38:12.329 --> 00:38:14.789
like how do you guess all the combinations and

00:38:14.789 --> 00:38:17.150
like as in like it just is almost impossible

00:38:17.150 --> 00:38:19.449
it makes it That's why I say it's like a debuff

00:38:19.449 --> 00:38:22.750
for him. Hal's barely disguised fetish rears

00:38:22.750 --> 00:38:29.469
its head. Not much of a way to piss over. Then

00:38:29.469 --> 00:38:34.730
we get to kind of... Eventually he does see some

00:38:34.730 --> 00:38:39.030
futures, though, and a lot of them start... It

00:38:39.030 --> 00:38:40.969
branches out, but then they all come to the end

00:38:40.969 --> 00:38:44.449
point where humanity is dead. Humanity is completely

00:38:44.449 --> 00:38:48.889
wiped out. This is... basically we are killed

00:38:48.889 --> 00:38:52.650
by chaos or others aliens aliens everything eventually

00:38:52.650 --> 00:38:55.969
humanity is going to die uh we won't live like

00:38:55.969 --> 00:38:57.530
the elder or something you know we won't live

00:38:57.530 --> 00:39:02.730
long enough and he just oh he sees that there's

00:39:02.730 --> 00:39:05.929
perhaps one future or maybe a couple where he

00:39:05.929 --> 00:39:09.010
can save him he sees this death and he's like

00:39:09.010 --> 00:39:11.849
man if i don't do anything humanity will die

00:39:11.849 --> 00:39:15.389
uh so he sees this as a chance to enact this

00:39:15.389 --> 00:39:18.230
grand plan where he will move all of humanity

00:39:18.230 --> 00:39:22.889
into the webway, which is crafted by the Eldar,

00:39:22.949 --> 00:39:26.469
which are tunnels, which are not quite in the

00:39:26.469 --> 00:39:29.289
warp, but they are... I don't know how to describe

00:39:29.289 --> 00:39:31.530
it, Colin. I don't know how you describe the

00:39:31.530 --> 00:39:35.469
webway. It is tunnels in some sense. It's like

00:39:35.469 --> 00:39:38.369
tunnels between the warp and reality that connects

00:39:38.369 --> 00:39:40.809
to both, although usually when it connects to

00:39:40.809 --> 00:39:44.500
the warp, that's generally a bad thing. Could

00:39:44.500 --> 00:39:47.420
we call it a subway to hell? It's like, the subway

00:39:47.420 --> 00:39:50.760
can get you to any point in hell, but you don't

00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:52.340
have to fraternize with the demons. It's just

00:39:52.340 --> 00:39:54.380
like, it's there, you can get around in it, but

00:39:54.380 --> 00:39:59.179
you'll be safe. It's like... The subway's pretty

00:39:59.179 --> 00:40:03.219
clean. Yeah. The subway's clean when it, you

00:40:03.219 --> 00:40:05.219
know, isn't being breached by the warp. Yeah.

00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:08.000
Unfortunately, it's becoming more and more hard

00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.519
to find those pits. Yeah, well, the webway was

00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:13.320
even, like, properly inhabited before. Like,

00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.460
even the one that's... There's a webway gate

00:40:15.460 --> 00:40:18.300
below Terra, and near that one, there's, like,

00:40:18.340 --> 00:40:20.980
an ancient Eldari city that's long abandoned.

00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.320
Like, to the point, like, it's millions of years,

00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.900
and it's, like, fallen to dust nearly. So the

00:40:26.900 --> 00:40:29.719
webway is seen as, like, a safe pocket where

00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.920
if he... And this is how he explains it. He has

00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:36.940
to drag... every single human being from the

00:40:36.940 --> 00:40:40.840
material verse into the webway to therefore prevent

00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.880
the influence of chaos as humanity awakens more

00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.380
psychic abilities and then basically eventually

00:40:47.380 --> 00:40:50.519
turns into perpetuals like the emperor sees like

00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:53.820
basically we can't wait for everyone to turn

00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:56.079
into perpetuals and like you know be smart enough

00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.340
not to be corrected by chaos like humanity will

00:40:58.340 --> 00:41:00.280
die before that happens and like other people

00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:03.789
must go to this giant intergalactic um what's

00:41:03.789 --> 00:41:07.630
it called uh rehab facility yeah the webway to

00:41:07.630 --> 00:41:10.590
get us like off the off the draw like okay i

00:41:10.590 --> 00:41:12.389
can really use some of that chaos right now it's

00:41:12.389 --> 00:41:14.710
like no i'm just gonna get your supply off there

00:41:14.710 --> 00:41:17.250
this man will do anything but educate people

00:41:17.250 --> 00:41:20.489
on the dangers of the war i think even every

00:41:20.489 --> 00:41:24.329
time he's like i'm gonna tell you what this is

00:41:24.329 --> 00:41:27.050
everyone falls to chaos so it's like i don't

00:41:27.050 --> 00:41:31.929
blame him for that because when I think Malkador...

00:41:31.929 --> 00:41:33.969
He didn't tell the order about chaos! That was

00:41:33.969 --> 00:41:38.190
the problem! He said... Well, he would have done

00:41:38.190 --> 00:41:41.610
it anyway because he's a naughty boy. If he was

00:41:41.610 --> 00:41:45.489
that easily manipulated by Erebus and Corferon,

00:41:45.590 --> 00:41:51.030
then... Shush you. Shush you. If he was talking

00:41:51.030 --> 00:41:53.530
about chaos, he would be like, oh, there isn't

00:41:53.530 --> 00:41:56.429
any gods, but this is a god. No. Yeah, because

00:41:56.429 --> 00:42:02.969
he was lying. The most he said was, hey, Magnus,

00:42:02.969 --> 00:42:06.329
the second most powerful Psyker in the universe.

00:42:06.530 --> 00:42:10.929
Are you okay? You can trust the Hot Topic Raven

00:42:10.929 --> 00:42:13.329
guy. This is actually a weird part where it gets

00:42:13.329 --> 00:42:16.630
into it could be the Emperor's grand plan of

00:42:16.630 --> 00:42:19.309
like, the part of Chaos Corruption does happen

00:42:19.309 --> 00:42:23.739
because he's seen it, or eventually because chaos

00:42:23.739 --> 00:42:26.619
are able to manipulate like there's so many futures

00:42:26.619 --> 00:42:28.320
and like he has seen one but he's not able to

00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.639
predict like this certain outcome happens or

00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:33.780
amalgadore does state it in like the siege of

00:42:33.780 --> 00:42:36.559
terror when like dawn asks him like why didn't

00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.820
you tell us primarchs about chaos amalgadore

00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:44.900
says even if we told you your trial which eventually

00:42:44.900 --> 00:42:47.559
will come up for dawn will not be any easier

00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.039
you'll still be just as vulnerable to chaos and

00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.710
in fact he said He said to Dawn, if we told you

00:42:52.710 --> 00:42:59.010
about chaos, your need to control, understand,

00:42:59.730 --> 00:43:02.269
and conquer things would eventually lead you

00:43:02.269 --> 00:43:09.150
down that path anyway. Can I offer another alternative?

00:43:09.469 --> 00:43:11.650
I don't know if this is shocking news to anyone.

00:43:12.530 --> 00:43:19.130
Dictators lie. Angry Homunculus has a good point.

00:43:19.630 --> 00:43:21.590
The only person who was told about Chaos was

00:43:21.590 --> 00:43:24.150
Corax, and you know who didn't turn to Chaos?

00:43:25.730 --> 00:43:30.170
Corax. If anything, if you believe the more recent

00:43:30.170 --> 00:43:33.070
lore, he turned into a bird demon, and he still

00:43:33.070 --> 00:43:36.110
doesn't fall to Chaos. Technically, then, he

00:43:36.110 --> 00:43:38.449
is Chaos. He's not Chaos, though. He's a warp

00:43:38.449 --> 00:43:42.869
entity in some way. He learned what to avoid.

00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.079
we should say the secret is like also the primarchs

00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.480
potentially what makes them primarchs is not

00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:51.800
the fact of their superhuman like alone their

00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:53.659
superhuman bodies but their souls are actually

00:43:53.659 --> 00:43:56.239
warp entities that the emperor has shoved into

00:43:56.239 --> 00:44:00.940
human bodies That's kind of what it's implied

00:44:00.940 --> 00:44:04.000
to be. I know, I know. It's like very heavily

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.659
implied. If they like resurrect Primarch or like,

00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.659
you know, God forbid Fabius Bar makes a clone,

00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:11.380
they can't make like a perfect one necessarily

00:44:11.380 --> 00:44:15.179
all the time because the soul is missing. In

00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:18.400
theory, the Fulgrim clone has a little bit of

00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:21.039
his real soul. Yeah, like suppose, but I don't

00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:25.079
know if I just read the freaking Fulgrim versus

00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.360
Ferris Manus fight and when he kills Ferris Manus,

00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:31.460
it's like demons screaming and more juice explodes

00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:33.820
coming out of, yeah, so they're definitely more

00:44:33.820 --> 00:44:35.860
creatures. Power explodes out of Ferris, yeah,

00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.780
but essentially this point... Is that... I'm

00:44:38.780 --> 00:44:41.800
sorry, I just looked. Is that Ogryn holding a

00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:45.500
fucking pickaxe? It is, yeah. This game is peak,

00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.880
never mind. Well, I'm gonna... You should do

00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.900
four Ogryn build. No, I did that once when I

00:44:52.900 --> 00:44:56.639
first played the game. What was that? Yeah, so...

00:44:57.230 --> 00:45:01.329
Essentially, we see other powers. The story at

00:45:01.329 --> 00:45:04.230
this point continues where unification wars,

00:45:04.429 --> 00:45:07.489
Great Crusade. The Emperor, again, is like this

00:45:07.489 --> 00:45:09.670
blinding radiance of a being who's traveling

00:45:09.670 --> 00:45:13.369
all over the galaxy, uniting mankind for this

00:45:13.369 --> 00:45:18.650
webway plan in secret. He is being worshipped

00:45:18.650 --> 00:45:21.469
as a god against his will at this point. People

00:45:21.469 --> 00:45:24.230
are, you know, it does happen where people are

00:45:24.230 --> 00:45:26.949
basically saying, you know, that guy seems like

00:45:26.949 --> 00:45:31.110
a god -like being so therefore we probably i

00:45:31.110 --> 00:45:33.889
mean he he basically kind of is one or is to

00:45:33.889 --> 00:45:37.130
the common uh person is or he his powers are

00:45:37.130 --> 00:45:38.750
the such level where he basically performs miracles

00:45:38.750 --> 00:45:42.829
so interesting you know it could be could be

00:45:42.829 --> 00:45:45.510
a god and then we finally get to the point which

00:45:45.510 --> 00:45:48.010
is like just for the horus heresy or as a horus

00:45:48.010 --> 00:45:51.289
heresy's beginning we see the first instance

00:45:51.289 --> 00:45:55.170
of channeling of faith where The Remembrance

00:45:55.170 --> 00:45:58.530
Sir, Euphrates Keeler, literally banishes a demon

00:45:58.530 --> 00:46:02.510
by channeling power that is her faith of the

00:46:02.510 --> 00:46:06.949
Emperor. I guess the question now is, guys, do

00:46:06.949 --> 00:46:09.190
you believe at this point? Is that even possible

00:46:09.190 --> 00:46:12.570
if the Emperor is not a god? It sounds like he's

00:46:12.570 --> 00:46:15.670
already a warp entity and he's also a physical

00:46:15.670 --> 00:46:19.150
entity. I think we also have to bring into the

00:46:19.150 --> 00:46:22.530
fold Gork and Mork and the Orcs. That's a god

00:46:22.530 --> 00:46:27.409
of Orcs. But is it just like... I don't know.

00:46:27.630 --> 00:46:29.909
It's like... You're about to imply the two strongest

00:46:29.909 --> 00:46:32.090
gods in the war of foreign deities. There's going

00:46:32.090 --> 00:46:33.769
to be... Yeah, you've got a bad -mouthed gork

00:46:33.769 --> 00:46:37.710
and warf. Dude, unreal. But I'm like, is it a

00:46:37.710 --> 00:46:39.369
chicken and the egg thing where it's like...

00:46:39.369 --> 00:46:41.210
Because when orcs were first created, they didn't

00:46:41.210 --> 00:46:43.769
have belief. They were crocs. And they were just

00:46:43.769 --> 00:46:46.849
strong mushroom men. And then as they deteriorated,

00:46:46.969 --> 00:46:50.980
they were like, oh, I guess... be strong, you've

00:46:50.980 --> 00:46:53.659
got to be green. And then they became a bit thick.

00:46:53.980 --> 00:46:56.980
And then they started to praise Gork and Mork

00:46:56.980 --> 00:47:00.480
out of their own kind of collective belief. But

00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.980
like, Gork and Mork weren't around during the

00:47:02.980 --> 00:47:04.300
early days. Just because they didn't exist then

00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:07.719
doesn't mean they're not warhound gods. But then

00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:09.659
it's like, are they just a derivation of chaos?

00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:14.420
Yeah, but then my point is, are they just...

00:47:14.750 --> 00:47:17.429
Derivations of chaos masquerading as orc gods.

00:47:17.670 --> 00:47:20.929
Absolutely not. Incorrect. It's the Y energy.

00:47:21.150 --> 00:47:25.309
It's different from chaos juice. Same stuff that's

00:47:25.309 --> 00:47:27.110
dampened by Sisters of Silence who don't have

00:47:27.110 --> 00:47:31.230
souls? My answer to that question is also, fittingly

00:47:31.230 --> 00:47:34.630
enough for the topic today, anathema to every

00:47:34.630 --> 00:47:38.409
lore channel and person who likes debating it.

00:47:38.510 --> 00:47:40.429
It's orcs. You're thinking about it too much.

00:47:41.349 --> 00:47:45.340
Pick up a choppa and fight. pretty real well

00:47:45.340 --> 00:47:49.340
we might have a interesting answer for this part

00:47:49.340 --> 00:47:52.360
maybe later right but we do literally see euphrates

00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:55.260
killer her belief in the emperor is so strong

00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:57.639
and she literally likes holding out like something

00:47:57.639 --> 00:47:59.800
i can't remember what she's holding uh it might

00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:04.039
have been her uh yeah and it literally glows

00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.320
with golden light and it banishes a demon back

00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.110
into the warp so How is it possible to channel

00:48:12.110 --> 00:48:15.889
something that is not necessarily a god? It sounds

00:48:15.889 --> 00:48:17.650
like the Emperor's been a god this whole time.

00:48:17.809 --> 00:48:20.829
I will say devil's advocate, however, just for

00:48:20.829 --> 00:48:23.429
the sake of it. Now, this isn't lore from Warhammer,

00:48:23.530 --> 00:48:26.909
but it is another setting that a belief can be

00:48:26.909 --> 00:48:31.530
made tangible. Vampire the Masquerade. There

00:48:31.530 --> 00:48:36.690
is a faith stat, and if you have sufficient faith

00:48:36.690 --> 00:48:41.360
in anything, you can banish hellish creatures,

00:48:41.460 --> 00:48:43.400
vampires being the most prominent, obviously,

00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.860
given that game line. But I believe there was

00:48:46.860 --> 00:48:52.900
lore of a person repelling a vampire through

00:48:52.900 --> 00:48:57.639
their unyielding faith in credit. Like, yes,

00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.719
credit cards. The bank's strongest soldier. Glory

00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.880
to the Trade Federation. It's cool. If that kind

00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:09.260
of thing is possible in 40k, it could be that.

00:49:09.380 --> 00:49:12.559
That is also, however, for the sake of that argument,

00:49:12.699 --> 00:49:16.880
is me reaching into another settings lore. And,

00:49:16.900 --> 00:49:19.559
you know, Occam's Razor, the simplest thing is

00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.360
probably the right answer. But weren't we also

00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.420
just talking about how humanity are special in

00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:28.480
that they are slowly becoming perpetuals? And

00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.980
also they have an uncanny ability to, with the

00:49:30.980 --> 00:49:33.360
Psychic Awakening, have a talent for being psychos

00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.219
at a rapid pace, considering they weren't always...

00:49:36.219 --> 00:49:38.960
It says that. Is Faith just another form of warp

00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.980
stuff? Kila does not channel... I won't say won't,

00:49:42.980 --> 00:49:45.800
she's not channeling the warp, but she has no

00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.639
psychic abilities. Yeah, but is it just another

00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:54.119
form of psycho just under different... It's just

00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:56.320
a psycho with extra steps. Is it just like...

00:49:56.619 --> 00:49:59.820
a different version of the same thing like dark

00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:01.820
souls has that whole thing of like the fire and

00:50:01.820 --> 00:50:04.659
and darkness and they have intelligence and faith

00:50:04.659 --> 00:50:06.820
but they're they're basically just magic they're

00:50:06.820 --> 00:50:09.360
just two types of magic where like is faith just

00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.960
another kind of warp shenanigans because we know

00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.860
entities from the warp come out of the warp and

00:50:14.860 --> 00:50:17.059
they're all like i'm a representation of the

00:50:17.059 --> 00:50:18.880
emperor's divinity it's like you were born in

00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.559
magic land don't give me that war i guess in

00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:23.639
some sense yeah because like technically the

00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:27.199
faith is if the faith is strong enough it manipulates

00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:32.239
magic. But chaos powers are warp stuff. And where

00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:34.179
do those chaos powers come from? The chaos gods.

00:50:35.579 --> 00:50:37.699
But then also the emperor is now tethered to

00:50:37.699 --> 00:50:39.739
chaos, to the realm of chaos since he went to

00:50:39.739 --> 00:50:42.679
Moloch. So that's the seed of faith. Well, we'll

00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.440
see. I do have a theory about that. But before

00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.199
we get any further, do I have any more donos

00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.099
before I get to the next section? I've got 12

00:50:51.099 --> 00:50:54.929
or so. First off, Bunny Cop for two. manling

00:50:54.929 --> 00:51:01.329
thank you thank you crazy he wants this one from

00:51:01.329 --> 00:51:03.449
trash trash box thank you for the five dollars

00:51:03.449 --> 00:51:08.010
sup lc gooners it's time for another big e pass

00:51:08.010 --> 00:51:12.809
hashut smash perpetuals as a concept pass slanesh

00:51:12.809 --> 00:51:15.530
blessings upon ye watch k -pop demon hunters

00:51:15.530 --> 00:51:17.849
i actually did watch it because my wife really

00:51:17.849 --> 00:51:19.789
wanted to watch it so he went to my parents used

00:51:19.789 --> 00:51:22.670
their netflix and we watched it it's a cute movie

00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:25.500
It was nice. I actually liked it. All I know

00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:30.380
about Netflix is the gif of the lady deep -throating

00:51:30.380 --> 00:51:35.719
a cucumber. Excuse my word. What the hell is

00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:40.380
that? What the fuck? Colin, would you like to

00:51:40.380 --> 00:51:44.699
take a look? 110 guinea pigs under Colin's bed.

00:51:45.019 --> 00:51:47.840
Well, you know what? I gotta appreciate the fact

00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.239
that you spelled Colin with the correct amount

00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:55.460
of L's. With the two heroes, thank you. Only

00:51:55.460 --> 00:51:59.940
one word story worse than wood is done. What

00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:06.559
about will? Angry Sicilius clown. $5. The chaos

00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.039
gods sent Neoth back in time to betray Jesus.

00:52:10.619 --> 00:52:14.480
That's the true 40k take, is that all of these

00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:17.480
gods are simply pale imitations of the Lord.

00:52:21.690 --> 00:52:24.929
Warleader0996. The real question GW has to answer

00:52:24.929 --> 00:52:29.369
is, was Biggie on the list? Also, the Eldari

00:52:29.369 --> 00:52:33.130
did nothing wrong. I'm not going to agree with

00:52:33.130 --> 00:52:35.849
that at all. I don't know if that gets us deranked

00:52:35.849 --> 00:52:38.150
on YouTube if we say the word out loud. They're

00:52:38.150 --> 00:52:42.869
still talking about Slaanesh? They're still talking

00:52:42.869 --> 00:52:55.050
about Slaanesh? There is no... They moved Lucius

00:52:55.050 --> 00:52:57.989
the Betrayer to a low security prison in Necromunda.

00:53:01.820 --> 00:53:05.340
A Catan shard did refer to the Emperor as a weapon.

00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:10.239
A quick rat fact for you, Mr. Hal Ratburn. Happy

00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.840
birthday, Insulin Man. We love you. Eli, please

00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:17.659
play Gears. We tried. We'll try again. I'll buy

00:53:17.659 --> 00:53:20.760
a different game and we'll try. We'll try. Thank

00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.760
you, though. He's back. He's back. Mario's late

00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:29.860
north profile picture is so real. It's late.

00:53:30.909 --> 00:53:35.090
Do you want to read this? I want to hear it.

00:53:35.210 --> 00:53:39.269
I like it when Hal reads this. Trash folks. Character

00:53:39.269 --> 00:53:44.369
limit. John Dramaticus. John Dramaticus. Pass.

00:53:44.670 --> 00:53:48.329
Logo. Smash. Isha. Pass. Smells like Nurgle.

00:53:48.849 --> 00:53:55.010
Smash. Best chips. That's crisp flavor. Don't

00:53:55.010 --> 00:53:59.440
say crisp. Say crisp. Sour cream. It's being

00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:03.400
culturally sensitive. I'm not going to lie. Tortilla

00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:09.199
chip. Plain tortilla chip is my favorite. Cool

00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:13.940
original Dorito. That's always my go -to. It's

00:54:13.940 --> 00:54:18.539
a safe choice no matter what. Wotan again. Thank

00:54:18.539 --> 00:54:22.900
you for the 20 DKK. Hang on. Oh yeah, I can't

00:54:22.900 --> 00:54:30.079
read this. Interesting for Munger. I fucked up

00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.380
that last word. Give me a minute. Are we going

00:54:32.380 --> 00:54:35.539
to say it in a Scandinavian accent? No, I will

00:54:35.539 --> 00:54:38.420
not be doing that. Sorry, your face is covered

00:54:38.420 --> 00:54:44.440
by the donation. Damn, AI is crazy this day.

00:54:45.019 --> 00:54:51.679
Hang on, hang on. I'm not sure if it's actually...

00:54:55.059 --> 00:54:57.400
I'd like you to translate this into lore, Kremes.

00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.019
It'd be lovely. There you go. Eli said that.

00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:03.940
Does that actually mean it? Sorry, Wotan. We

00:55:03.940 --> 00:55:07.940
are ignorant and we do not understand. Alright.

00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:10.239
He's going to do the next one, Andy, whilst we

00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.760
wait. Google Translates from the Soldier. AngryHellMonkey

00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:15.679
has survived. Do you guys ever think about how

00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:18.099
the translated title of the Emperor is... It's

00:55:18.099 --> 00:55:20.500
Dune. It's just saying the word Emperor twice.

00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:23.539
Kill me, Burn. Now that I've Google translated

00:55:23.539 --> 00:55:25.280
this, I probably could have figured this one

00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.980
out through context clues. Interesting how many

00:55:28.980 --> 00:55:32.880
donors are Scandinavian. Now that I have what

00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:37.039
it is in English, that's quite obvious. Fantastic.

00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:42.860
Thank you, Wotan. Limper, $106 for $5. Big E

00:55:42.860 --> 00:55:46.719
is a gestalt god, just like the Chaos Gods. A

00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:49.099
shitty one, because humanity itself is shitty

00:55:49.099 --> 00:55:54.400
in 40k. Kinda not bad. They do kinda blow. Hey,

00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:59.119
we're trying our best. Rubber, flesh, and you

00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:04.559
get world peace. Maybe. That's a maybe. Thank

00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.800
you for $2. No, he's not. He said so. Yeah, okay.

00:56:08.420 --> 00:56:13.800
He never lies. Every time his name comes up,

00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:18.059
man. Back again. The omens are dire. Sacrificing

00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:21.340
Hal's hairline to stop them for now. Well, at

00:56:21.340 --> 00:56:23.920
least I have a hairline for the moment. Appreciate

00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:31.320
it, brother. It's gonna go. Limper 106 with the

00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:35.199
fiver. All hermigods are just all entities. They

00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.159
are made through faith. Also something funny

00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:40.510
and witty that uses my character limit. teach

00:56:40.510 --> 00:56:43.449
this man about sigmar's ascension from human

00:56:43.449 --> 00:56:48.230
to god uh angry homunculus for 15 hello again

00:56:48.230 --> 00:56:52.079
my theory about His prayer being answered is

00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.760
because it was answered by Big E from the future

00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:55.360
because Warped Deities can move through the fourth

00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:58.019
dimension. In brackets, Colin, think about Eren

00:56:58.019 --> 00:57:02.800
using the paths in AOT. No spoilers. I haven't

00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:04.900
seen the last scene. That's valid, but also I

00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:07.159
don't like the direction attack on Titan's toke,

00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.179
so I don't want to think about it that way. I

00:57:09.179 --> 00:57:10.840
will say, Eli, I don't think it's because it's

00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:14.360
bad. I know there are some people who didn't

00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.320
like it. I still don't know what happens, but

00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:18.099
I know there was a lot of... I think even the

00:57:18.099 --> 00:57:22.980
author said he kind of wrote the end no he wrote

00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:26.579
it like a long time ago as in like when he even

00:57:26.579 --> 00:57:28.460
planned out lots of things when he was like a

00:57:28.460 --> 00:57:32.340
really dark place and then he kind of thought

00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:34.739
about like oh maybe he should fix it but he felt

00:57:34.739 --> 00:57:36.860
like it was betraying the work to like kind of

00:57:36.860 --> 00:57:39.659
correct it so he's not he's not super happy with

00:57:39.659 --> 00:57:41.579
the ending himself anyway but like he felt like

00:57:41.579 --> 00:57:44.579
it was how it was always meant to end I need

00:57:44.579 --> 00:57:47.760
you to watch the final episode so you can see

00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:50.079
the bit that me and my friends all laughed unbelievably

00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:52.599
hard at that you're not supposed to laugh at.

00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.519
But I'm not going to say anything because spoilers,

00:57:56.619 --> 00:57:59.280
but holy shit, me and my friends busted a gut.

00:57:59.659 --> 00:58:04.000
In due time. Someday, maybe. I hope. 100 dead

00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.300
guinea pigs under Colin's bed. Two euros. Was

00:58:07.300 --> 00:58:09.360
Slaanesh a thing before the fall of the Eldar?

00:58:09.539 --> 00:58:14.940
No and yes. magical GW lore where Slaanesh demons

00:58:14.940 --> 00:58:20.559
were locked away in a Necron prison. King of

00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:25.539
Sicily. We got royalty in the chat. Thank you

00:58:25.539 --> 00:58:30.099
for the $5. Loremaster Colin. It's cool we share

00:58:30.099 --> 00:58:32.239
the same birthday, which is tomorrow. Happy birthday.

00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:36.599
Glork and Mort are in both settings. Is Boingob

00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:41.840
in 40k? He's still gestating. He's gonna, what

00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:45.179
is, he's gonna one day devour the warp rift beneath

00:58:45.179 --> 00:58:51.360
Terra. Dush. You bastard. Smash will pass the

00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.619
emperor, the gaming storyteller. Pass. Pass.

00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:59.820
Pass. I couldn't think of a funny enough way

00:58:59.820 --> 00:59:02.980
to... You know what, just for the bragging rights,

00:59:03.179 --> 00:59:07.639
smash. Dude, call me. Was he Alexander the Great

00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.699
or was he? Yeah. Well, in that case, call me

00:59:10.699 --> 00:59:12.619
Bucephalus because that motherfucker is going

00:59:12.619 --> 00:59:17.199
to be riding. That was that Greek boy pussy got

00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:22.639
me questioning my world. Dank matter for five

00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:26.199
bucks. There's a delicious irony to Big E's deification.

00:59:26.900 --> 00:59:29.360
Homeboy didn't consider himself a god yet became

00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:35.500
one by saving humanity. Hashtag not my God. That's

00:59:35.500 --> 00:59:40.960
a crazy PFP, by the way. What's that? Thank you

00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:43.559
for the 20 DKK. I got the confusion I wanted.

00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:46.980
It did work, although like I said, that honestly

00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:50.539
really now knowing what those words are, that

00:59:50.539 --> 00:59:53.000
should not have been that hard to figure out.

00:59:55.309 --> 00:59:58.110
Also, Trash Fox, she's back. Yes, fellas. Women

00:59:58.110 --> 01:00:00.389
can goon too. Tortilla chips are great, though

01:00:00.389 --> 01:00:03.010
Eli's so real. Also, I was told someone was shit

01:00:03.010 --> 01:00:05.570
-talking Gork and Mork. Crump him. It was Colin.

01:00:06.710 --> 01:00:09.989
It was certainly not me. It was definitely not

01:00:09.989 --> 01:00:15.269
me. Oh, don't lie. B .B. Demier with the five

01:00:15.269 --> 01:00:18.699
heroes. Warp and Faith in 40k is different now.

01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:20.860
Thank Ephriel Stern for that, since she is zipping

01:00:20.860 --> 01:00:24.019
around the Necron silent zone that was 100 %

01:00:24.019 --> 01:00:27.559
still the warp. Yeah, that's also a very good

01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:31.179
counterpoint. But again, there's always going

01:00:31.179 --> 01:00:33.559
to be some discrepancy with so many writers,

01:00:33.739 --> 01:00:35.960
though. I don't think every part of it is...

01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.800
Even the Horus Heritage is not perfect. I have

01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:43.059
no examples, but I'm pretty sure the Sisters

01:00:43.059 --> 01:00:44.840
of the Battle of Miracles would still work in

01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.579
the presence of a... of a blink. Yeah, which

01:00:47.579 --> 01:00:49.239
is really annoying. I don't think it could stop

01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:55.039
it. It's different. See, there'd be... It would

01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.119
be lore, but there'd be a great way to tell.

01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:00.400
It would be if there was an enemy blink nearby,

01:01:00.619 --> 01:01:04.099
and if any of the sister's abilities were affected,

01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:06.159
but unfortunately the psychic face has been sent

01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:09.860
to hell, so we'll never know. Bunny cop for five

01:01:09.860 --> 01:01:12.599
bucks. So if you see Little Red Riding Hood with

01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:15.809
a bazooka and a bat, she... I expect you to chin

01:01:15.809 --> 01:01:21.730
the bitch. Wow. Dog soldiers. Wow, what a comment.

01:01:22.250 --> 01:01:27.989
I should probably get in. Ruby? A little tentative

01:01:27.989 --> 01:01:33.349
one there from the Dutch. God bless Ruby. No,

01:01:33.389 --> 01:01:35.809
God curse Ruby. Can't believe the Emperor almost

01:01:35.809 --> 01:01:39.030
died to Hal's poop, no. I mean, he did get shanked.

01:01:39.030 --> 01:01:44.849
It's alright. The next... He simply said no.

01:01:45.530 --> 01:01:48.929
Some commenter is kind of on to the point I'm

01:01:48.929 --> 01:01:50.989
kind of rounding up to, like finishing up on

01:01:50.989 --> 01:01:55.949
this one, which is, as we know, as we sort of

01:01:55.949 --> 01:01:57.849
established, obviously there's like power, there's

01:01:57.849 --> 01:02:00.110
kind of things where a miracle has happened so

01:02:00.110 --> 01:02:04.110
far. Horus literally starts the heresy because

01:02:04.110 --> 01:02:06.510
the emperor will be worshipped as a god in the

01:02:06.510 --> 01:02:08.929
future, which is, you know, a bit of irony there.

01:02:10.030 --> 01:02:12.130
He's worshipped as a god because of the Horus

01:02:12.130 --> 01:02:15.789
heresy. You know, lovely. At the Siege of Terror,

01:02:15.949 --> 01:02:19.130
when both Horus and the Emperor begin to amass

01:02:19.130 --> 01:02:23.489
huge amounts of warp power as their own provincial

01:02:23.489 --> 01:02:26.829
spirit, they're both threatening to turn into

01:02:26.829 --> 01:02:30.449
something called the Dark King, which is essentially

01:02:30.449 --> 01:02:33.090
the Doomsday God. It's like a god of destruction.

01:02:33.429 --> 01:02:36.289
It becomes its own... The character transforms

01:02:36.289 --> 01:02:39.480
into a warp entity. It's been often... referred

01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:42.639
like Erebus says it's like even in ancient tomes

01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:45.820
like it's basically a fifth chaos god or basically

01:02:45.820 --> 01:02:48.179
one equal to the pantheon that's a sixth chaos

01:02:48.179 --> 01:02:54.280
god to you pal alright well have you seen that

01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:57.039
thing where it's like there's the eight pointed

01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:58.800
star and there's obviously the main pantheon

01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:00.760
and then there's one that's supposed to be Vashtor

01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:03.360
one that's the dark king and then there's two

01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:05.480
others where it's like, some people have said

01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.039
one's Malice and one's something we've never

01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:10.639
seen before, so it's like... I miss an older

01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:13.599
theory that's absolutely not canon anymore, where

01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:17.480
the three gods were, or the other four was the

01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:21.380
Eldar Pantheon. Because it fits quite well. Iniad

01:03:21.380 --> 01:03:24.219
for Slaanesh, Cain for Khorne, Isha for Nurgle,

01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:29.059
and Kegarak for Zeej. But unfortunately, they're

01:03:29.059 --> 01:03:33.329
not allowed to have fun. No. But... Essentially,

01:03:33.349 --> 01:03:37.630
at this point, in the Siege of Terra, obviously,

01:03:37.710 --> 01:03:40.070
Horus Heresy has happened. It's kind of base

01:03:40.070 --> 01:03:44.030
at the end. This would be the god that destroys

01:03:44.030 --> 01:03:46.449
all of humanity and perhaps most of the material

01:03:46.449 --> 01:03:50.190
universe. Or at least it would transform into

01:03:50.190 --> 01:03:52.750
something of that nature. It's only by the intervention

01:03:52.750 --> 01:03:57.849
of perpetuals like John Grimanicus and Mr. Melania's

01:03:57.849 --> 01:04:01.059
person who... They convinced the emperor to choose

01:04:01.059 --> 01:04:04.780
this path where basically it's them. It's is

01:04:04.780 --> 01:04:07.579
defeat anyway, even if the emperor is like, I

01:04:07.579 --> 01:04:10.699
need all this power to kill Horus. The emperor

01:04:10.699 --> 01:04:14.320
at this point, he separates part of himself because

01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:18.539
despite the fact of like him essentially creating

01:04:18.539 --> 01:04:21.860
these Primarchs as generals to lead great armies

01:04:21.860 --> 01:04:24.559
and obviously to create the Space Marines, he.

01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:26.760
and obviously there's many things where like

01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:30.739
he was willing to kill legions and he's probably

01:04:30.739 --> 01:04:33.260
killed off two of his sons already at some point

01:04:33.260 --> 01:04:35.960
like or in some things done to them who knows

01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:38.679
for the missing prime marks but he just can't

01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:43.280
part of him does love them as sons and it implies

01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:46.260
like he also made the prime marks like he didn't

01:04:46.260 --> 01:04:48.360
have to make the prime marks in a way like everyone's

01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:50.820
like why did he make the prime art it's because

01:04:50.820 --> 01:04:54.679
the fact like he is a singular entity and therefore

01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:57.139
he is so alone in the universe and so he decided

01:04:57.139 --> 01:05:01.019
to create essentially sons or things that would

01:05:01.019 --> 01:05:03.699
you know so basically he wouldn't be alone like

01:05:03.699 --> 01:05:05.420
in some part of him like obviously he is human

01:05:05.420 --> 01:05:08.219
and he has that sort of he has a weakness of

01:05:08.219 --> 01:05:11.159
needing to you know he could have again made

01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:13.880
weapons and he just made living weapons uh you

01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:17.539
know i do um i do feel sorry are the sensei still

01:05:17.539 --> 01:05:20.480
considered canon the biological children maybe

01:05:21.309 --> 01:05:24.289
We'll see as it goes on. We'll see what happens.

01:05:24.610 --> 01:05:27.530
Dad, what the fuck? No, I need better children.

01:05:27.630 --> 01:05:31.429
Well, I'm real. The Emperor may have had biological

01:05:31.429 --> 01:05:34.369
children throughout the millennia, but it's implied

01:05:34.369 --> 01:05:36.969
they're not quite like... They're not like Primarchs,

01:05:36.969 --> 01:05:40.369
though, but they are like powerful beings. Yeah.

01:05:41.070 --> 01:05:43.570
Smash all powers, Urda. He did that too much.

01:05:44.269 --> 01:05:50.449
But he separates a part of himself, which is...

01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:54.139
part of his own soul in some way. Each person

01:05:54.139 --> 01:05:55.940
does have a soul in Warhammer, unless you're

01:05:55.940 --> 01:06:00.320
a blank, or at least you have a null in that

01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:05.099
place. And this coils into something called the

01:06:05.099 --> 01:06:09.920
Star Child, which, as again, is like a callback

01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:11.820
to earlier lore, which Dan Abnett's brought back.

01:06:13.099 --> 01:06:16.880
This is essentially the good in him. This is

01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:20.460
most of his humanity. It's the thing that is...

01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:24.860
would hold him back from killing horus and he

01:06:24.860 --> 01:06:27.780
casts it i think into the wall like he casts

01:06:27.780 --> 01:06:30.559
it off of himself and it maybe goes into the

01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:35.920
warp potentially this is the part that goes on

01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:39.699
to become what is known as the god emperor never

01:06:39.699 --> 01:06:43.300
mind yeah well they it's not quite like you know

01:06:43.300 --> 01:06:46.139
the star child is in like anything the uh genie

01:06:46.139 --> 01:06:54.280
see the cults do um but the Oh, no. Dotto's all

01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:56.280
right at the moment. Don't worry, man. I'm not

01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:57.679
that great at it, though, because I'm rusty.

01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:02.619
Essentially, this part may have been what is

01:07:02.619 --> 01:07:06.000
similar to Sinesh when Sinesh is birthed. Literally,

01:07:06.179 --> 01:07:07.780
someone in the comments or one of our donations

01:07:07.780 --> 01:07:10.920
kind of points that out almost. Sinesh is born,

01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:13.440
and therefore when Sinesh is born in the warp,

01:07:13.579 --> 01:07:17.539
she or it... or they exist for all time, and

01:07:17.539 --> 01:07:19.800
therefore they can affect the past and the present

01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:23.159
and the future. So therefore, people in the past

01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:25.039
could therefore they worshipped the mesh before

01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.820
and as you were born, it would work. And this

01:07:27.820 --> 01:07:31.900
may go on to explain maybe why you free tequila

01:07:31.900 --> 01:07:36.179
is able to draw on a power that is of the emperor,

01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:39.219
because in some way it was always going like

01:07:39.219 --> 01:07:41.760
even though the horrors heresy like with a lot

01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.130
of like people making decisions. essentially

01:07:44.130 --> 01:07:46.949
it always says like because of who we are on

01:07:46.949 --> 01:07:49.250
you know the decisions that we know we're going

01:07:49.250 --> 01:07:52.469
to make like you could also you know By the way,

01:07:52.469 --> 01:07:54.510
everyone, free will. You can literally go randomly,

01:07:54.570 --> 01:07:56.869
like, attack someone in the street for no apparent

01:07:56.869 --> 01:08:00.570
reason. Don't attack people you see. I'll condone

01:08:00.570 --> 01:08:03.510
it. No, I'm saying you're not. Or you could rise

01:08:03.510 --> 01:08:06.889
up and destroy the class system as we all need

01:08:06.889 --> 01:08:10.969
to. Sir, yes, sir. I love the Soviet path and

01:08:10.969 --> 01:08:15.519
command and conquer. We could. But the thing

01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:18.180
is, you won't do these things because they're

01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:19.979
not who you are, like a lot of things. You're

01:08:19.979 --> 01:08:21.840
not going to do something that's not yourself,

01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:23.800
so therefore you're predictable. So therefore

01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:25.520
the Horus heresy was kind of always going to

01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:27.439
play out like this because of who was involved.

01:08:27.939 --> 01:08:30.720
Horus was always going to be the one that falls,

01:08:30.939 --> 01:08:33.359
you know. As in like, you know, some characters

01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:35.420
like Sanguine is always going to die in some

01:08:35.420 --> 01:08:38.399
sense, like it was unavoidable. The Emperor was

01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:40.920
always going to be mortally wounded. So therefore

01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:45.500
it would create... It was going to create the

01:08:45.500 --> 01:08:48.399
Star Child, which creates this entity, which

01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:51.600
maybe people would then draw power from if they

01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.300
worship the Emperor. And then as the story goes,

01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.100
eventually the Emperor is wounded, placed upon

01:08:57.100 --> 01:08:59.680
the Golden Throne, and he is trapped in the state

01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:02.800
of life and death. So the actual Emperor is trapped

01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:05.300
in the state of life and death. He is still perpetual,

01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:09.720
but the wounds are so great. Horus being empowered

01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:12.520
to the near level of a Dark King himself, that

01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:17.420
he is, as we in the opening lines of all 40k

01:09:17.420 --> 01:09:19.920
books, he is a thousand psychos are sacrificed

01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:22.899
to him every day. It's like he constantly is

01:09:22.899 --> 01:09:26.279
reborn. So he dies and is reborn every single

01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:29.760
day. And that power powers the Astronomicon.

01:09:30.659 --> 01:09:33.420
Or Emperor is stun locked every single day, trying

01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:35.659
to get back in the lobby. He's in headstone.

01:09:35.979 --> 01:09:38.329
Can we get a shout out to the... To the Terminus

01:09:38.329 --> 01:09:41.149
Decree, rip Grey Knights. Rip all my Grey Knights.

01:09:41.890 --> 01:09:43.930
That has to be his own episode because I do have

01:09:43.930 --> 01:09:46.229
so much to say about that. I have really quickly

01:09:46.229 --> 01:09:49.109
something that might become as bad news that

01:09:49.109 --> 01:09:51.869
it was arguably kind of hinted at being something

01:09:51.869 --> 01:09:54.789
like that. I don't remember what exactly the

01:09:54.789 --> 01:09:56.529
passage is from, but there's something along

01:09:56.529 --> 01:10:00.029
the lines of if the Emperor gets off the throne,

01:10:00.170 --> 01:10:04.890
what emerges might not be him. So that being

01:10:04.890 --> 01:10:08.229
the terminus decree, unfortunately, was set for

01:10:08.229 --> 01:10:10.510
precedence. Now, the fact they revealed it at

01:10:10.510 --> 01:10:13.930
all kind of ruined the mystery of it. So they

01:10:13.930 --> 01:10:16.390
should have never opened their mouth. That and

01:10:16.390 --> 01:10:18.350
the fact that the Great Knights tried to solo

01:10:18.350 --> 01:10:23.439
the Imperial Palace and embarrassingly... unsurprisingly

01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:27.600
lost than the army of custodians. Nah, Eli, you're

01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.380
not thinking straight, because you know what

01:10:29.380 --> 01:10:31.039
they're going to do for that event? They're bringing

01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:33.479
back the goat Matt Ward to write for the Grey

01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:37.460
Knights. That's the hero we need. And let's not

01:10:37.460 --> 01:10:39.260
forget, the more Grey Knights, the more their

01:10:39.260 --> 01:10:42.319
powers combine, so they could just be like, Ligma

01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:47.609
balls. Blow everything up. What is Ligma? If

01:10:47.609 --> 01:10:51.750
I read about the Grey Knight Dragon Ball Z Spirit

01:10:51.750 --> 01:10:54.609
Bomb, complete 180 on the Turbine's Decree, Goat

01:10:54.609 --> 01:10:59.109
and Lore, 10 out of 10. Drago comes in from the

01:10:59.109 --> 01:11:03.729
top rope. Look at Drago slithering out. RIP Drago,

01:11:03.750 --> 01:11:06.630
they obliterated his model, he's not in the new

01:11:06.630 --> 01:11:10.310
Codex. Wait, really? No, but I'm assuming that's

01:11:10.310 --> 01:11:15.689
because he'll be the first new model in the new

01:11:15.689 --> 01:11:21.289
editions. Broidy and Slip Al, I heard what you

01:11:21.289 --> 01:11:25.949
were about to say. Or Entai, wasn't it? But his

01:11:25.949 --> 01:11:28.409
rules aren't even in there, so he won't be there

01:11:28.409 --> 01:11:30.909
until a new Brainiac's Cortex comes out. Not

01:11:30.909 --> 01:11:33.010
even the new edition. They'll make some index

01:11:33.010 --> 01:11:40.779
or something. Farsighted rules. but um yeah essentially

01:11:40.779 --> 01:11:44.859
so this at this point there's kind of a i mean

01:11:44.859 --> 01:11:49.560
the star child theory part is obviously so now

01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:51.359
we know it's like a real thing that dan abner

01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:55.800
my boy carrying 40k 30k law on his shoulders

01:11:55.800 --> 01:12:01.399
uh is absolutely real and it is a entity slash

01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:04.869
thing that is of the Emperor, but is now no longer

01:12:04.869 --> 01:12:09.050
connected to him in the same sense. Or in some

01:12:09.050 --> 01:12:12.630
part, it might be. We now skip ahead, as was

01:12:12.630 --> 01:12:15.550
the famous line of, it is now the 41st millennium.

01:12:15.550 --> 01:12:18.310
For more than, you know, 100 centuries, the Emperor

01:12:18.310 --> 01:12:21.270
has sat on the golden throne of Earth. He's the

01:12:21.270 --> 01:12:24.270
Carrion Lord of the Imperium. But it is said

01:12:24.270 --> 01:12:29.050
now that his power is even more potent, or perhaps...

01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:32.479
It is not more potent, but it is unrestricted

01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:35.439
now that he no longer can keep it in. Or he no

01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:42.020
longer hides it, in some sense. Has he always

01:12:42.020 --> 01:12:45.979
had this power? Would you say? It's hard to tell.

01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:48.920
There's a part in the Great Crusade, randomly,

01:12:49.140 --> 01:12:51.760
where him and Horus are fighting side by side.

01:12:52.100 --> 01:12:54.600
And they're fighting, it's not a Krook, but it's

01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:57.319
pretty much like a Primork, one of those ones

01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.720
in the War of the Beast. And the Emperor is said

01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:03.140
to struggle with it. And he literally says to

01:13:03.140 --> 01:13:05.439
Horus, buy me some time or something. He literally

01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:07.579
says, I need to build up a Kamehameha, literally.

01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:09.560
I'm not joking. He literally says, I need to

01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:13.819
build up a thing, like an orb of death. And then

01:13:13.819 --> 01:13:16.439
he kind of gets semi -injured by this thing.

01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.739
So, I mean, that thing was strong enough to almost

01:13:19.739 --> 01:13:23.039
crack his head open. Yeah, it's because the orcs

01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:27.909
are goaded. Yeah. They are built for fighting

01:13:27.909 --> 01:13:34.350
and winning. There are instances of him not being...

01:13:34.350 --> 01:13:37.789
If he was a god, god almost got killed by a guy

01:13:37.789 --> 01:13:40.229
who's just the main character. Mushroom man.

01:13:42.350 --> 01:13:46.310
Mushroom nearly killed god. The old ones made

01:13:46.310 --> 01:13:49.149
the orcs, and if you go to the setting over,

01:13:49.409 --> 01:13:52.569
they were the only race the old ones couldn't

01:13:52.569 --> 01:13:55.649
kill. I'm just saying, if it was going to be

01:13:55.649 --> 01:13:59.210
anyone. Well, the whole frailty thing, the whole

01:13:59.210 --> 01:14:01.930
idea that to sustain the god, you need to sacrifice

01:14:01.930 --> 01:14:04.729
10 ,000 people a day to keep him on life support

01:14:04.729 --> 01:14:06.770
doesn't seem very godlike to me. But they don't

01:14:06.770 --> 01:14:08.829
know that. I don't know if that's actually confirmed.

01:14:09.109 --> 01:14:11.810
They don't know what will happen if they don't.

01:14:11.829 --> 01:14:14.689
They're doing it, though. Well, yeah, the Imperium

01:14:14.689 --> 01:14:18.029
does a lot of things it doesn't need to do. It

01:14:18.029 --> 01:14:21.760
is a thing that... It's a kept secret for a long

01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:25.479
time until Malkador shows basically the people

01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:28.680
who are in charge of the Golden Throne that if

01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:32.760
they, like in the book Master of Mankind, the

01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:34.520
Emperor is sitting on the Golden Throne while

01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:37.979
the Webway War is happening. And they essentially,

01:14:38.300 --> 01:14:41.100
the Emperor and Malkador don't want to do it

01:14:41.100 --> 01:14:44.180
because obviously it's horrific to them. But...

01:14:44.510 --> 01:14:46.949
they do it because they need to and they sacrifice

01:14:46.949 --> 01:14:49.449
a thousand psychos so the emperor can temporarily

01:14:49.449 --> 01:14:53.130
leave the golden throne go into the webway and

01:14:53.130 --> 01:14:55.930
fight the you know the demons and basically as

01:14:55.930 --> 01:14:58.029
they say like the sun is rising because literally

01:14:58.029 --> 01:15:01.409
dude is like you know ghost literally super saiyan

01:15:01.409 --> 01:15:04.869
and uh he allowed you know but sacrificing the

01:15:04.869 --> 01:15:07.369
psychos actually buys time so like essentially

01:15:07.369 --> 01:15:10.609
the equivalent is psychic power is like is the

01:15:10.609 --> 01:15:14.199
is the electricity is the battery power and feeding

01:15:14.199 --> 01:15:17.300
a thousand into it buys a certain amount of time

01:15:17.300 --> 01:15:19.800
for the Emperor to not be on it, but to power

01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:21.260
it to the same level. So obviously he's worth

01:15:21.260 --> 01:15:24.779
a thousand psykers. The Emperor is the proverbial

01:15:24.779 --> 01:15:27.000
lithium battery that one day is going to explode.

01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:31.460
I have a question about divinity that, again,

01:15:31.539 --> 01:15:34.420
this is partial devil's advocate and going for

01:15:34.420 --> 01:15:38.640
Andy's side. Most every god in Warhammer has

01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:43.710
a domain. Like, they're god of X, right? Cain

01:15:43.710 --> 01:15:45.710
and Corrin are gods of war. One of them's elf

01:15:45.710 --> 01:15:48.470
-specific, but he's still a god of war. Even,

01:15:48.470 --> 01:15:51.329
like, something as basic as Gork and Mork, one's

01:15:51.329 --> 01:15:57.010
brutally cunning, one's cunningly brutal. Big

01:15:57.010 --> 01:16:00.369
E doesn't really have one, does he? Bigotry.

01:16:02.229 --> 01:16:08.510
But that's not, like, that... That was the thing

01:16:08.510 --> 01:16:12.710
he built. His domain was where the faith is.

01:16:13.649 --> 01:16:16.109
That could be said for any god. Khorne's domain

01:16:16.109 --> 01:16:19.789
follows Khorne's worshippers. Is it fair to say

01:16:19.789 --> 01:16:21.829
that the emperor is kind of the god of futility?

01:16:22.050 --> 01:16:24.210
It's like the dying of the light. You keep pushing

01:16:24.210 --> 01:16:26.189
and pushing and resisting and surviving and surviving

01:16:26.189 --> 01:16:28.310
and killing things to stay alive, even though

01:16:28.310 --> 01:16:30.569
you know it's doomed to fail. Is it literally

01:16:30.569 --> 01:16:32.670
the, not quite entropy, I don't know what the

01:16:32.670 --> 01:16:35.210
word would be, but like... the god of nihilism

01:16:35.210 --> 01:16:37.649
almost like everything you do will turn to shit

01:16:37.649 --> 01:16:41.430
eventually you're thinking like the emperor is

01:16:41.430 --> 01:16:44.829
not a god of concept in the same way in which

01:16:44.829 --> 01:16:49.270
he embodies he does embody some aspects of humanity

01:16:49.270 --> 01:16:52.130
which is obviously like in the same way as like

01:16:52.130 --> 01:16:55.989
order faith sacrifice like much broader concepts

01:16:55.989 --> 01:16:59.409
rather than war trickery and other things like

01:16:59.409 --> 01:17:01.350
with other gods i don't think he's as simplified

01:17:01.350 --> 01:17:03.649
as that yeah but i would i would say that's like

01:17:04.010 --> 01:17:07.029
so broad as to not really be the thing. It's

01:17:07.029 --> 01:17:10.510
like, embodying faith, every god in a way does

01:17:10.510 --> 01:17:13.369
that. Like, they all have that, like, you're

01:17:13.369 --> 01:17:15.770
worshipping them, you get stuff out of it. Does

01:17:15.770 --> 01:17:19.529
the Catan, does that same rule apply to what

01:17:19.529 --> 01:17:22.029
people do consider and are called gods in the

01:17:22.029 --> 01:17:24.510
universe, the Catan? Because they don't necessarily

01:17:24.510 --> 01:17:27.729
have to embody, they're given nicknames of certain

01:17:27.729 --> 01:17:31.779
things, like the deceiver. They do kind of do,

01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:35.899
though. Obviously, all Katan are vaguely technological,

01:17:35.979 --> 01:17:40.840
but the Void Dragon is explicitly the machine

01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:46.800
one. Yeah, and the Nightbringer really is death.

01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:49.460
And there's the one who's always on fire. That's

01:17:49.460 --> 01:17:53.039
his thing. Mike brings up a good point. There

01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:57.239
is a heaven in 40k. There is a heaven, and it

01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:00.060
happens in multiple books. But hey, Andy, that

01:18:00.060 --> 01:18:02.939
god's an easy one if you don't mind a bit of

01:18:02.939 --> 01:18:08.279
reaching for it. Prometheus. Bringing fire to

01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:10.159
the mortals. It's like destruction and stuff.

01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:13.939
Yeah, that's also the simpler. He's on fire because

01:18:13.939 --> 01:18:16.739
he's a god of destruction. It could be the sense

01:18:16.739 --> 01:18:21.220
of what's the difference between polytheism and

01:18:21.220 --> 01:18:24.239
monotheism, if I'm saying those ones right. That's

01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:26.520
another way to argue it. Just because he's not

01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:29.899
a polytheistic. deity does not mean he could

01:18:29.899 --> 01:18:31.960
not be a monotheistic one where it's like he

01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:35.680
is everything he is god no that's fair that's

01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:37.859
a valid interpretation just in Warhammer most

01:18:37.859 --> 01:18:42.979
every god is they're a god of X in some way even

01:18:42.979 --> 01:18:46.640
like in fantasy it wasn't as much for Sigmar

01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:49.220
but transitioning into AOS he's like he's the

01:18:49.220 --> 01:18:52.220
god of Azir even he's taken on like the god of

01:18:52.220 --> 01:18:54.600
something whereas Big E's kind of been like the

01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:59.930
only one to just be a god if he he can't he does

01:18:59.930 --> 01:19:02.850
there is a heaven of some sort it's a bit mysterious

01:19:02.850 --> 01:19:05.529
but there is so he can literally save your soul

01:19:05.529 --> 01:19:10.989
from the chaos gods that's pretty godlike there's

01:19:10.989 --> 01:19:13.210
no one else doing that no like powerful psych

01:19:13.210 --> 01:19:15.750
or who can do that for him i still think he's

01:19:15.750 --> 01:19:17.909
a god that's just something i interesting i've

01:19:17.909 --> 01:19:20.310
noticed about him like he does he's he alone

01:19:20.310 --> 01:19:23.590
doesn't have a domain I just like the idea that

01:19:23.590 --> 01:19:31.090
heaven... Domain isn't like field. Not domain

01:19:31.090 --> 01:19:33.550
as in literal plane of the warp. I mean domain

01:19:33.550 --> 01:19:37.689
as in he is not the god of specifically anything.

01:19:38.390 --> 01:19:41.569
He's just the humanity's god. Not even necessarily

01:19:41.569 --> 01:19:44.210
the god of humanity. When they say, I'm going

01:19:44.210 --> 01:19:46.909
to sit by the emperor's side when I die and that's

01:19:46.909 --> 01:19:49.270
my eternity. I just like the idea of there's

01:19:49.270 --> 01:19:52.550
a parallel dimension of the golden... throne,

01:19:52.630 --> 01:19:55.170
which is one of those oldie family photographs

01:19:55.170 --> 01:19:57.569
with the emperor sat on a big chair and just

01:19:57.569 --> 01:19:59.470
thousands of people who are just like, I'm in

01:19:59.470 --> 01:20:01.810
heaven. What do we do? We just kind of sit here

01:20:01.810 --> 01:20:05.329
next to the emperor. It's pretty chill. It's

01:20:05.329 --> 01:20:07.569
actually just a big queue. It's a massive queue.

01:20:08.510 --> 01:20:11.729
But so he's kind of, yeah, he just, even though

01:20:11.729 --> 01:20:14.649
at the point of the 41st millennium, it is said

01:20:14.649 --> 01:20:17.029
like, it is said for the people who are experiencing

01:20:17.029 --> 01:20:21.859
him or being near him that he is more powerful

01:20:21.859 --> 01:20:24.699
like when gilliman arrives back on terra after

01:20:24.699 --> 01:20:28.039
being resurrected in the 41st millennium he says

01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.619
he is even more powerful than he remembers him

01:20:31.619 --> 01:20:34.460
he hears like a thousand voices in his head when

01:20:34.460 --> 01:20:38.439
the emperor tries to speak um he can't really

01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:41.479
recall everything about meeting the emperor gilliman

01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:44.399
because it was like i think it's just such like

01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:47.920
an overpowering experience and then i said it

01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:50.779
before like i i like it to be like so if you

01:20:50.779 --> 01:20:52.600
went in the room of like where the golden throne

01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:55.939
is it's like being next to the elephant's foot

01:20:55.939 --> 01:20:59.380
in um Chernobyl like it's like being near like

01:20:59.380 --> 01:21:03.500
the the reactor of like a raw sort of um yeah

01:21:03.500 --> 01:21:08.720
like a radiation counter sort of counter isn't

01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:10.300
like literally like that it's like is that level

01:21:10.300 --> 01:21:12.619
of like oh you see the emperor for a second and

01:21:12.619 --> 01:21:15.039
then you melt because your soul is literally

01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.619
absorbed by this mass of like writhing power

01:21:19.199 --> 01:21:23.039
um which is obviously pretty horrific because

01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:25.000
it's like a you know it's a half -dead creature

01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:27.739
and who knows if he's really like if it's really

01:21:27.739 --> 01:21:31.300
him there um to be fair though there are some

01:21:31.300 --> 01:21:33.659
points that do point obviously there's hard things

01:21:33.659 --> 01:21:36.399
to ignore which is there are in fact miracles

01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:39.220
and there's been many miracles over the entire

01:21:39.220 --> 01:21:43.100
history of the imperium we literally have living

01:21:43.100 --> 01:21:46.760
saints such as celestine and other ones who are

01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:49.880
kind of immortal creatures that are you know

01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:53.180
full -on winged saints that you know worship

01:21:53.180 --> 01:21:56.220
the emperor or themselves are aspects of power

01:21:56.220 --> 01:21:59.460
that they derive they say from the emperor uh

01:21:59.460 --> 01:22:04.359
gilliman was literally inhabited by a part of

01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:08.180
the you know they said literally something in

01:22:08.180 --> 01:22:12.239
the warp i they said notarian could feel it something

01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:15.060
was rushing towards them on in the dark imperial

01:22:15.060 --> 01:22:18.619
trilogy like this to when gilliman fights mortarian

01:22:18.619 --> 01:22:20.399
it's not going super well even though he has

01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:23.340
like the emperor's sword uh something in the

01:22:23.340 --> 01:22:26.560
warp rushes towards them and mortarian is like

01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:30.619
what the fuck is that that's horrifying and it

01:22:30.619 --> 01:22:34.279
literally resonates it inhabits gilliman and

01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:36.319
it resurrects him it speaks with the voice of

01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:38.720
the emperor the custodians when they are nearby

01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:41.399
they they recognize it's like master they just

01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:43.859
say like they whisper like master they can feel

01:22:43.859 --> 01:22:46.720
it's his presence who knows if that actually

01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:49.020
left the god throne or was that the star child

01:22:49.020 --> 01:22:52.859
thing that's in the warp um invoking the emperor

01:22:52.859 --> 01:22:55.340
much like with many thing in the history of like

01:22:55.340 --> 01:22:58.079
uh with demons and other things like invoking

01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:01.619
the god emperor's name scares demons it doesn't

01:23:01.619 --> 01:23:03.340
you know being near shrines and other things

01:23:03.340 --> 01:23:07.789
they cultists tend to defame and ruin uh other

01:23:07.789 --> 01:23:09.329
things because it literally hurts to be in the

01:23:09.329 --> 01:23:12.310
presence of what like holy spaces or sisters

01:23:12.310 --> 01:23:15.369
of battle literally perform miracles all the

01:23:15.369 --> 01:23:18.850
time uh in combat uh people there's even like

01:23:18.850 --> 01:23:21.470
a subplot in the alpha legion shrouded knight

01:23:21.470 --> 01:23:23.989
book i think isn't it andy where they have people

01:23:23.989 --> 01:23:26.810
are literally like pillars of astronomical and

01:23:26.810 --> 01:23:28.729
imperial nihilists or something they have parts

01:23:28.729 --> 01:23:33.060
of the emperor like power within them so The

01:23:33.060 --> 01:23:36.659
interesting part is after we have all of those

01:23:36.659 --> 01:23:40.619
parts, one last ingredient into this, which is

01:23:40.619 --> 01:23:45.659
even the Inquisition kind of suspect the Emperor,

01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:48.699
obviously lots of the many subsects of the Inquisition

01:23:48.699 --> 01:23:51.420
think that the Emperor is obviously just a god,

01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:54.420
but they leave him on the Golden Throne. We were

01:23:54.420 --> 01:23:56.560
trying to find the name of it earlier. There's

01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:58.659
a certain sect which believe they need to...

01:23:59.310 --> 01:24:03.189
I think it's the Forians. There's the Forians

01:24:03.189 --> 01:24:05.109
and then there's a subsection of them called

01:24:05.109 --> 01:24:08.329
the Revivifactors, I believe it is. But the Forians

01:24:08.329 --> 01:24:12.670
are like, hey, we need to resurrect the Emperor.

01:24:12.970 --> 01:24:15.729
And then there's another faction of the Inquisition

01:24:15.729 --> 01:24:19.409
like, no, that's a bad idea. We should just not

01:24:19.409 --> 01:24:21.850
do anything. It'll be fine. Isn't the Golden

01:24:21.850 --> 01:24:25.060
Throne breaking? Shut up. No, it's fine. It's

01:24:25.060 --> 01:24:27.539
fine. Don't worry about it. And then the two

01:24:27.539 --> 01:24:29.119
of them are always competing with each other.

01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:33.760
It's also, yeah, it's very difficult with their

01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:36.779
different ideologies, but even one of them kind

01:24:36.779 --> 01:24:39.699
of thinks, like some of them, which some of them

01:24:39.699 --> 01:24:41.779
got purged over throughout Imperial history,

01:24:41.899 --> 01:24:44.260
where they think they need to kill the Emperor

01:24:44.260 --> 01:24:48.039
on the Golden Throne so that he can fully become

01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:50.739
a god, because then he's just a thing in the

01:24:50.739 --> 01:24:53.890
war. rather than so he's actually that would

01:24:53.890 --> 01:24:56.909
be a true god so there's a real question of is

01:24:56.909 --> 01:25:01.390
the emperor god and the maybe so like i'll say

01:25:01.390 --> 01:25:04.289
what i kind of think first which is like it's

01:25:04.289 --> 01:25:09.689
it's a kind of a no uh because i think the emperor's

01:25:09.689 --> 01:25:12.729
on the golden throne and the part that is the

01:25:12.729 --> 01:25:16.229
god emperor is in the warp so i think you could

01:25:16.229 --> 01:25:19.020
kill the emperor But then the other thing, the

01:25:19.020 --> 01:25:20.920
warp still exists because that's the part that

01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:23.159
people worship. That's the idea of the emperor.

01:25:24.100 --> 01:25:26.960
That just reminds me of that time when Leman

01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:28.979
Russ, the Wolf King, tried to kill Horus. And

01:25:28.979 --> 01:25:30.979
there was the whole thing of like the sons of

01:25:30.979 --> 01:25:33.420
Horus are like, oh, he got wounded by Leman Russ

01:25:33.420 --> 01:25:35.159
by this big old spear. What's going on? He's

01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:37.800
in a coma. And then they're like, oh, there's

01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:40.350
a bit of Horus's soul. fighting for his life

01:25:40.350 --> 01:25:44.250
in the warp atop like a mountain of demons and

01:25:44.250 --> 01:25:46.569
he's been there this whole time and until we

01:25:46.569 --> 01:25:48.750
get that part of him back to his body he won't

01:25:48.750 --> 01:25:51.189
be like full horus he won't be full fat horus

01:25:51.189 --> 01:25:55.310
and so yeah i could imagine that like the emperor

01:25:55.310 --> 01:25:57.590
is running on diet diet emperor at the moment

01:25:57.590 --> 01:25:59.609
and he hasn't got the full sugar content to me

01:25:59.609 --> 01:26:04.170
that was a refreshing beverage so yeah but the

01:26:04.170 --> 01:26:05.630
thing you said about the shrouded night book

01:26:05.630 --> 01:26:07.770
is interesting that like yeah there's one guy

01:26:07.770 --> 01:26:12.350
who's who's briefly seen the light of the emperor

01:26:12.350 --> 01:26:15.109
is blinded by it. And now he can act as like

01:26:15.109 --> 01:26:19.970
a, a bespoke astronomic on beacon far from the

01:26:19.970 --> 01:26:22.350
other side of the, the wrong side of space. And

01:26:22.350 --> 01:26:24.189
they are like, Hey, we kind of need this guy

01:26:24.189 --> 01:26:26.170
to be our North star because the actual North

01:26:26.170 --> 01:26:32.510
star is blocked. We can't see it. But it's a,

01:26:32.529 --> 01:26:35.109
it's interesting. Like it's a, it's annoying

01:26:35.109 --> 01:26:38.689
and like an interesting in between where. because

01:26:38.689 --> 01:26:41.409
if in my interpretation is the emperor on the

01:26:41.409 --> 01:26:44.770
golden throne disconnected from the warp entity

01:26:44.770 --> 01:26:48.069
that is the emperor like are they not are they

01:26:48.069 --> 01:26:50.890
linked are they not linked if say the one that

01:26:50.890 --> 01:26:54.050
resurrected gilliman again on uh during dark

01:26:54.050 --> 01:26:57.050
imperial trilogy is that the star child thing

01:26:57.050 --> 01:27:00.590
or was that the one the golden throne that said

01:27:00.590 --> 01:27:03.170
part of him that is if they are not connected

01:27:03.170 --> 01:27:07.369
in like a proper way As in, like, it's hard because,

01:27:07.449 --> 01:27:11.470
like, say if there was a cane. Cane, you know,

01:27:11.590 --> 01:27:13.770
avatars of cane manifest, Colin, don't they?

01:27:13.869 --> 01:27:16.449
Like, on the field of battle. But as in, like,

01:27:16.510 --> 01:27:18.289
you know, how is it happening? Like, one has

01:27:18.289 --> 01:27:20.350
to sacrifice themselves, literally. You have

01:27:20.350 --> 01:27:23.229
to sacrifice the next. Although there is one

01:27:23.229 --> 01:27:25.829
bit of, like, way older lore. I'd have to find

01:27:25.829 --> 01:27:28.770
it again. Where a statue just kind of went for

01:27:28.770 --> 01:27:33.590
a walk. But as in, so, like. A murdery walk,

01:27:33.770 --> 01:27:37.069
of course, but. say like the god the emperor

01:27:37.069 --> 01:27:39.850
on the golden throne is essentially like a really

01:27:39.850 --> 01:27:44.069
really powerful avatar of cain you could technically

01:27:44.069 --> 01:27:48.270
kill the god emperor as the avatar of cain but

01:27:48.270 --> 01:27:50.989
you wouldn't kill cain right because cain is

01:27:50.989 --> 01:27:53.630
still a being that exists in the war but he's

01:27:53.630 --> 01:27:56.050
shattered across it but he's still there he's

01:27:56.050 --> 01:27:59.310
not dead but technically it's in a weird way

01:27:59.310 --> 01:28:01.350
like we're in inverse where like the original

01:28:01.350 --> 01:28:04.399
being that is the emperor is technically the

01:28:04.399 --> 01:28:07.619
dude that's on the golden throne and then part

01:28:07.619 --> 01:28:11.220
of him became a god later but then if he the

01:28:11.220 --> 01:28:15.680
man died would you say the emperor would you

01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:17.720
say like the thing in the warp is still the emperor

01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:19.739
or is that just something and it's like it turned

01:28:19.739 --> 01:28:23.520
into something of its his own thing couldn't

01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:25.520
the warp thing just be a soul because like all

01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.289
souls are connected to the warp anyways But his

01:28:28.289 --> 01:28:31.829
soul is still on the golden throne, though. That's

01:28:31.829 --> 01:28:36.149
a fairly apt comparison also, because Cain doesn't

01:28:36.149 --> 01:28:39.250
really exist in the warp anymore. His spirit

01:28:39.250 --> 01:28:41.529
resides in the hearts of the craft worlds now.

01:28:42.289 --> 01:28:44.630
And maybe every now and again you can find a

01:28:44.630 --> 01:28:47.409
bit on some exodite planet or probably some statue

01:28:47.409 --> 01:28:49.689
in Kamara they've chucked in the bin after thousands

01:28:49.689 --> 01:28:54.149
of years. He's a warp god. He even has the demon

01:28:54.149 --> 01:28:57.229
keyword on tabletop, but he's not really... in

01:28:57.229 --> 01:29:00.689
the warp anymore and there's that weird avatar

01:29:00.689 --> 01:29:02.670
of kane that's like the first avatar called the

01:29:02.670 --> 01:29:06.390
war shard in the inari books where he's basically

01:29:06.390 --> 01:29:09.329
where it's the the tomb of vol i believe it is

01:29:09.329 --> 01:29:13.789
or where he kills the the elder like hero of

01:29:13.789 --> 01:29:16.600
old and they basically beat the snot out of him.

01:29:16.699 --> 01:29:18.859
And then one of them gets a ruby that when he

01:29:18.859 --> 01:29:21.619
puts on his chest makes him into the war shard.

01:29:21.659 --> 01:29:24.000
And he's like, I was bad, but now I am good because

01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:26.220
you've bested me in Mortal Kombat. Imagine that

01:29:26.220 --> 01:29:28.920
being on the tabletop. Boy, I would love for

01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:32.539
that. Maybe Yanari wouldn't be made. Not for

01:29:32.539 --> 01:29:37.880
the likes of you. No, sir. Yeah. So going through

01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:41.300
it then, Andy, where do you think you lie on?

01:29:41.359 --> 01:29:45.739
Is the Emperor a god? Still no. uh fundamentally

01:29:45.739 --> 01:29:50.180
my my main hang -up is that while the gods of

01:29:50.180 --> 01:29:54.260
chaos et al exist as like a kind of interconnected

01:29:54.260 --> 01:29:56.699
thing and they've always been around in one form

01:29:56.699 --> 01:29:58.899
or another things like the emperor they had like

01:29:58.899 --> 01:30:01.100
kind of like i'd say an interesting comparison

01:30:01.100 --> 01:30:03.500
would be something like sigma sigma exists in

01:30:03.500 --> 01:30:05.939
his own little kind of realm where he's he what

01:30:05.939 --> 01:30:08.000
he was he was like talos in the elder scrolls

01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:10.579
he was a man but now he am a god but he has his

01:30:10.579 --> 01:30:13.020
own super spiritual realm he's not tethered to

01:30:13.020 --> 01:30:16.300
the the current setting the the material realm

01:30:16.300 --> 01:30:18.760
in the same way he has his weird lightning powers

01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:22.199
and the emperor is still tethered to that throne

01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:27.600
and until he gets kicked off that big chair i

01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:30.020
don't think he could achieve true like apotheosis

01:30:30.020 --> 01:30:33.880
and be a god of like the immaterium until that

01:30:33.880 --> 01:30:36.199
last vest vestige of him is gone kind of like

01:30:36.199 --> 01:30:39.569
the what the uh fourians are saying I'd be like,

01:30:39.630 --> 01:30:41.869
get him off there. What's the worst that could

01:30:41.869 --> 01:30:44.550
happen? We're already losing. Kick him off the

01:30:44.550 --> 01:30:46.090
throne. See what happens. He comes back stronger.

01:30:46.489 --> 01:30:48.569
Oh, get a new god. That'd be nice. Proper god.

01:30:48.850 --> 01:30:53.090
Full fat god. Go on. Kick him off. What do you

01:30:53.090 --> 01:30:56.710
think, Colin, then? I'm still going to say he's

01:30:56.710 --> 01:31:01.189
a god. I mean, he's... I'm sorry, Andy. It's

01:31:01.189 --> 01:31:02.909
like I said at the start. It walks like a god,

01:31:02.970 --> 01:31:04.989
talks like a god. I guess he's not really walking

01:31:04.989 --> 01:31:07.609
very much. He ain't walking nowhere. His spirit

01:31:07.609 --> 01:31:10.369
sure gets around across the galaxy doing miracles.

01:31:14.470 --> 01:31:17.289
That's more than anyone else that is in a chaos.

01:31:17.670 --> 01:31:21.729
To be fair though, if we're in Warhammer, say

01:31:21.729 --> 01:31:25.430
tomorrow we have a big sect of let's just say

01:31:25.819 --> 01:31:28.479
multiple, like a whole system starts worshipping

01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:34.960
Colin. Colin the god. But we know Colin is not

01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:38.260
a god. But then because of people's genuine belief

01:31:38.260 --> 01:31:42.859
in praise be to Colin, the pancreas no work,

01:31:43.100 --> 01:31:47.079
miracles start to happen. And people's insulin

01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:50.979
is now free. Pray to me and all of the healthcare

01:31:50.979 --> 01:32:04.449
CEO worries you have will disappear. necessarily

01:32:04.449 --> 01:32:09.510
there may be an like our collective belief manifest

01:32:09.510 --> 01:32:14.810
but therefore you haven't changed really I feel

01:32:14.810 --> 01:32:17.590
like like it would manifest around like a focal

01:32:17.590 --> 01:32:19.949
point and I feel like in the case of the emperor

01:32:20.619 --> 01:32:23.180
If he wasn't a god before he sat down on the

01:32:23.180 --> 01:32:26.619
throne, after 10 ,000 years of that belief focused

01:32:26.619 --> 01:32:31.800
on him, I feel like if he wasn't at first, he

01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:34.880
absolutely is now. Because of the collective

01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:38.199
belief that people have empowered him with. He's

01:32:38.199 --> 01:32:41.079
crossed the border of like, okay, this is a god

01:32:41.079 --> 01:32:43.539
-like being now. yeah i still very much think

01:32:43.539 --> 01:32:47.300
he was a god in like before that but if he wasn't

01:32:47.300 --> 01:32:49.619
then like i can see arguments against it at first

01:32:49.619 --> 01:32:53.899
but if he wasn't then he absolutely is now and

01:32:53.899 --> 01:32:56.739
uh eli where do you think you lie on it then

01:32:56.739 --> 01:33:00.720
oh yeah he's he's a god certainly uh this is

01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:03.380
assuming that him and the warp thing are indeed

01:33:03.380 --> 01:33:07.920
one of the same uh the trinitarianism but you

01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:09.899
know in warhammer there's literally a admech

01:33:09.899 --> 01:33:13.279
and iron uh hands sex that are trinitarianist

01:33:13.279 --> 01:33:17.880
uh steel confessors oh yeah the uh you have the

01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:20.260
emperor as a man and the emperor as a god and

01:33:20.260 --> 01:33:23.539
one in the same the emperor's physical form is

01:33:23.539 --> 01:33:27.739
present in one space the god spirit of the emperor

01:33:27.739 --> 01:33:31.680
holy spirit is omnipresent everywhere And it

01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:34.680
is separate but together. It's just a mystery

01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:40.079
of the Trinity. I think I lie on the thing of

01:33:40.079 --> 01:33:44.600
there is something in the warp that is the Emperor

01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:48.659
and it is a god. I just don't know if it's the

01:33:48.659 --> 01:33:54.560
same creature. It is not the same creature. Something

01:33:54.560 --> 01:34:00.100
has muted it, as in literally turned it from...

01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:03.539
what its original thing was into something new

01:34:03.539 --> 01:34:06.159
i believe there is a god emperor god but i don't

01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:09.699
know if that is the same person that is what

01:34:09.699 --> 01:34:12.039
you know whoever called himself the emperor at

01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:14.979
some point it has gone it is like like with sigma

01:34:14.979 --> 01:34:17.020
it's gone beyond a transformation like sigma

01:34:17.020 --> 01:34:20.619
the man is probably a very diff in a way like

01:34:20.619 --> 01:34:24.189
a different thing to what is sigma the god in

01:34:24.189 --> 01:34:27.170
this in an in essence really like it is gone

01:34:27.170 --> 01:34:31.170
is more of an extreme example of that but i would

01:34:31.170 --> 01:34:34.210
say technically there is there is a god emperor

01:34:34.210 --> 01:34:38.050
of mankind there is a the emperor but again it's

01:34:38.050 --> 01:34:42.210
hard to kind of pinpoint again it is i feel like

01:34:42.210 --> 01:34:43.909
it's really cool there's up to interpretation

01:34:43.909 --> 01:34:47.250
in some sense where someone could argue oh he's

01:34:47.250 --> 01:34:50.020
a god then why can't it's like you know what's

01:34:50.020 --> 01:34:53.220
the whole thing of like is is a god is all -knowing

01:34:53.220 --> 01:34:57.520
and all -powerful technically no gods in warhammer

01:34:57.520 --> 01:34:59.819
are all -knowing or all -powerful and maybe chaos

01:34:59.819 --> 01:35:02.260
is in some sense but even then i you know maybe

01:35:02.260 --> 01:35:05.220
it's only zeach at some point but uh they're

01:35:05.220 --> 01:35:07.579
all limit there's always a limit in some regard

01:35:07.579 --> 01:35:11.340
um but yeah i think i mean sure let people who

01:35:11.340 --> 01:35:14.039
are listening along uh please do in like the

01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:15.779
comment section of the chat maybe we'll read

01:35:15.779 --> 01:35:19.069
out a bit now but like let us know how i think

01:35:19.069 --> 01:35:21.529
someone kind of went on my point earlier as well

01:35:21.529 --> 01:35:24.390
so literally thinking on the same lines but let

01:35:24.390 --> 01:35:27.069
us know if you actually think the emperor is

01:35:27.069 --> 01:35:30.390
a god is he just a god because dude is powerful

01:35:30.390 --> 01:35:32.989
like what's the power level that makes someone

01:35:32.989 --> 01:35:38.090
a god is he or is he a dog like is the power

01:35:38.090 --> 01:35:41.489
level like i can raise an entire planet with

01:35:41.489 --> 01:35:45.220
one hand or you know what is it is it can i do

01:35:45.220 --> 01:35:46.340
something like that because then some things

01:35:46.340 --> 01:35:48.199
don't meet the criteria even though they're described

01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:50.800
as god -like beings so it's a again the definition

01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:53.720
is hard to kind of meet but i would say so in

01:35:53.720 --> 01:35:57.319
warhammer is it is a you know in the universe

01:35:57.319 --> 01:36:00.359
they have mana humanity has manifested their

01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:03.380
own kind of god and uh it's not necessarily a

01:36:03.380 --> 01:36:07.859
uh well i don't know it's not exactly a perfect

01:36:07.859 --> 01:36:10.500
answer to the question but i think i do go with

01:36:10.500 --> 01:36:13.210
yes That's a lot of waffle for me to say yes.

01:36:14.970 --> 01:36:19.149
Do we have any more donos? We do. I think after

01:36:19.149 --> 01:36:22.010
the donos, we should definitely do that question

01:36:22.010 --> 01:36:24.850
of the week that we came up with and did not

01:36:24.850 --> 01:36:28.369
forget. Oh, I know what we can do. I've got one.

01:36:28.489 --> 01:36:32.909
Create your own god of war. They'll come when

01:36:32.909 --> 01:36:37.359
the time comes. ColtoDude57, thank you for the

01:36:37.359 --> 01:36:40.220
$5. Eli, please explain Celestine getting disabled

01:36:40.220 --> 01:36:43.779
by Necron. Mr. Sororitas are built different.

01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:46.199
I told you about that. I'm not going to lie.

01:36:46.340 --> 01:36:48.960
That did happen, yeah. My explanation is Necrons

01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:52.600
are goaded. Necrons are goaded. Also real. In

01:36:52.600 --> 01:36:56.039
theory, I would need more examples than just

01:36:56.039 --> 01:36:57.819
the one, but you are right. That is something

01:36:57.819 --> 01:37:00.939
that happened. bodied by khan the betrayer he

01:37:00.939 --> 01:37:05.680
pulled up her wings quite brutal um yeah inconsistency

01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:11.159
in the writing and also the emperor power could

01:37:11.159 --> 01:37:14.819
be not necessarily warp magic but in its own

01:37:14.819 --> 01:37:17.720
sense like its own realm of stuff and the necron

01:37:17.720 --> 01:37:20.199
pylon just turns off everything you you could

01:37:20.199 --> 01:37:23.000
yeah you could still say it's like um it's it

01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:26.070
separates them from the emperor's light It's

01:37:26.070 --> 01:37:29.010
still, even if not like psycher powers, it's

01:37:29.010 --> 01:37:34.710
still a non -reality based thing. It's a supernatural

01:37:34.710 --> 01:37:37.329
thing. Yeah, it's a supernatural thing one way

01:37:37.329 --> 01:37:39.590
or another. I would need to see the sister power

01:37:39.590 --> 01:37:43.010
not working around regular basic psycher stuff

01:37:43.010 --> 01:37:45.649
like blanks to really be sold on it. Because

01:37:45.649 --> 01:37:49.149
the Necrons really are just too goaded. So it's

01:37:49.149 --> 01:37:51.029
really hard. But you are right. I didn't forget

01:37:51.029 --> 01:37:56.500
about that. Jesus. Death's best friend. Wow.

01:37:58.020 --> 01:38:00.720
NGSPFBF scene. Random thought I had, walking

01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:02.659
through a Walmart, there's a non -zero chance

01:38:02.659 --> 01:38:05.460
that Emperor said, whoop, there it is, in the

01:38:05.460 --> 01:38:09.680
90s. Whoop, there it is. Do you think when he

01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:12.220
first made the Space Wolves, he was like, who

01:38:12.220 --> 01:38:17.500
let the dogs out? In his head. You disgust me.

01:38:17.699 --> 01:38:20.279
All I know for certain is that when he launched

01:38:20.279 --> 01:38:22.800
the Great Crusade, Hellmarch from Command & Conquer

01:38:22.800 --> 01:38:25.119
was absolutely blaring. Do you reckon when he

01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:27.060
launched the Great Crusade he threw it really

01:38:27.060 --> 01:38:34.039
hard? Yep. D &D character could do that. Non

01:38:34.039 --> 01:38:36.779
-zero chance the Emperor said goon, yeah. Nice

01:38:36.779 --> 01:38:40.819
spiral on that Great Crusade, dude. crazy throw

01:38:40.819 --> 01:38:44.920
oh the thousandth son great name five euros i'm

01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:47.399
pretty sure the sister's ability still worked

01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:50.119
in the prior nexus further evidence that they

01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:53.159
are separate you know unless it's just a placebo

01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:56.640
i think yeah it's like it's annoying like certain

01:38:56.640 --> 01:38:58.960
things are written i don't know if that is just

01:38:58.960 --> 01:39:00.800
an inconsistency i remember lutein even made

01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:03.079
a video at the time being like what the hell

01:39:03.079 --> 01:39:06.060
is going on because it was showing that it doesn't

01:39:06.060 --> 01:39:09.810
work Again, I think it's more of an inconsistency

01:39:09.810 --> 01:39:13.529
thing. Or like their faith is so strong that

01:39:13.529 --> 01:39:15.810
it penetrates through it or something. I don't

01:39:15.810 --> 01:39:22.949
know. Yeah. Limper106 with a fiver. Thank you.

01:39:23.550 --> 01:39:26.489
Sigmar is just infused with Ulrich's power. Unless

01:39:26.489 --> 01:39:29.270
you're saying the gods can exist without followers.

01:39:29.869 --> 01:39:32.649
Someone... Send your salt spire to this man's

01:39:32.649 --> 01:39:36.789
house. Ulric's a strong soldier. Sigma is left

01:39:36.789 --> 01:39:40.810
and he loves you. Ulric is a good god. Unfortunately,

01:39:41.329 --> 01:39:45.350
Sigma is better. Sigma doesn't exist without

01:39:45.350 --> 01:39:46.970
followers. They're just not as powerful without

01:39:46.970 --> 01:39:50.649
followers. The emperor could exist. I guess in

01:39:50.649 --> 01:39:53.130
some way, he could exist without worship and

01:39:53.130 --> 01:39:56.090
other things. He had to before he sat on the

01:39:56.090 --> 01:40:00.210
throne. But would... We're arguing because of

01:40:00.210 --> 01:40:03.689
all the worship, it's transformed him into one.

01:40:03.829 --> 01:40:06.489
Or at least they're implying it in Warhammer

01:40:06.489 --> 01:40:10.029
lore. He's essentially ascending or some part

01:40:10.029 --> 01:40:14.689
of him is ascending into godhood. 100 dead guinea

01:40:14.689 --> 01:40:17.449
pigs again under Colin's bed for two. Instructions

01:40:17.449 --> 01:40:19.710
unclear. Attack people on the street. That's

01:40:19.710 --> 01:40:23.029
a good comment. That's the free will debate,

01:40:23.229 --> 01:40:27.439
isn't it? That's the one where you don't... You

01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:31.779
finish. You have free will, but as in people

01:40:31.779 --> 01:40:35.079
are just predictable. You're not going to deviate

01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:38.180
more from what you would mostly do in situations.

01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:44.380
Even though you could... You go out and go into

01:40:44.380 --> 01:40:46.859
debt tomorrow or do something stupid or do something

01:40:46.859 --> 01:40:48.979
really clever. You sign up for classes. You go

01:40:48.979 --> 01:40:50.500
learn a language right now instead of listening

01:40:50.500 --> 01:40:53.640
to law crimes. Don't do that. Please watch. You

01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:56.760
can spend 10 minutes at night learning something

01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:58.539
new, skill for your workplace. You're not going

01:40:58.539 --> 01:41:03.220
to do that. Isn't that like the men in black

01:41:03.220 --> 01:41:06.979
line? A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky

01:41:06.979 --> 01:41:10.829
animals. I guess so. in general the sense of

01:41:10.829 --> 01:41:13.930
like you could the possibility of doing everything

01:41:13.930 --> 01:41:16.609
is always there like possibilities like are endless

01:41:16.609 --> 01:41:18.869
but you're not going to do endless possibilities

01:41:18.869 --> 01:41:22.729
all the time even in the more micro scale it's

01:41:22.729 --> 01:41:24.869
like i will not eat that entire tub of ice cream

01:41:24.869 --> 01:41:27.210
i just bought from the i will keep it in the

01:41:27.210 --> 01:41:30.029
freezer for a week the same night oh it's gone

01:41:30.029 --> 01:41:34.619
we knew what was gonna happen free will. The

01:41:34.619 --> 01:41:37.619
pancreas is the silliest cloud again. Two dollars.

01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:41.260
Which chaos god do y 'all reckon ate Jesus? I

01:41:41.260 --> 01:41:47.020
am an Elenius Pius supporter. Yes, sir. Didn't

01:41:47.020 --> 01:41:50.960
happen. They're still out there. Humanity has

01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:56.000
simply lost its way. He is the strongest Catholic

01:41:56.000 --> 01:41:59.939
going in the earth. There is a lot of theories.

01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:03.020
When I was young, way like a kid, playing people

01:42:03.020 --> 01:42:05.619
would always say that like oh the emperor is

01:42:05.619 --> 01:42:07.300
jesus type stuff and they would like bring up

01:42:07.300 --> 01:42:09.159
all these examples and i've never heard of them

01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:11.779
since but in that era of time people said that

01:42:11.779 --> 01:42:17.460
a lot incorrect yeah it was alexander elenius

01:42:17.460 --> 01:42:20.279
pious is the goat though and he's right uh xenon

01:42:20.279 --> 01:42:23.560
for five euros finally caught you guys colin

01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:27.960
i made uh a lot of sea guard warband for a mordheim

01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:32.300
campaign wish me luck Not only is it Lothar and

01:42:32.300 --> 01:42:35.539
Seagard, but you're playing it in Mordheim. This

01:42:35.539 --> 01:42:38.640
man is the most cultured cat member we've ever

01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:43.579
had. I love you, Zenob. This one from Limper

01:42:43.579 --> 01:42:48.779
again. Five. Last one. Big E encompasses the

01:42:48.779 --> 01:42:51.000
domains of making more space marine models possible.

01:42:51.239 --> 01:42:57.189
Yes, indeed. It is a business. war leader. 0996

01:42:57.189 --> 01:43:01.029
with two pounds. Insulin for the insulin god.

01:43:02.310 --> 01:43:06.829
Wow. Appreciate it, brother. Bear in mind with

01:43:06.829 --> 01:43:09.130
the question of the week, we do not have the

01:43:09.130 --> 01:43:12.569
results from the last one. I pulled it up. Oh,

01:43:12.569 --> 01:43:17.529
did you? Well done. I was on it. Ignore what

01:43:17.529 --> 01:43:21.069
I just said then. The question was hashtag fisted.

01:43:21.090 --> 01:43:24.149
Who do you think needs a fisted? I forgot about

01:43:24.149 --> 01:43:28.779
that. Jesus. Hal, you missed the Imperial Fist

01:43:28.779 --> 01:43:31.399
episode. That's crazy. That's crazy talk. I regret

01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:34.760
nothing. I even said Hal would never let this

01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:38.140
happen if he was here. We've got some answers

01:43:38.140 --> 01:43:40.680
across the board for various different definitions

01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:45.640
of fisting. We'll go with the awful one first.

01:43:47.380 --> 01:43:52.250
Noir9094 hashtag fisted. core current corvus

01:43:52.250 --> 01:43:55.550
corax only to see if if he has any eggs up there

01:43:55.550 --> 01:44:00.010
oh okay i i hated every second of that you know

01:44:00.010 --> 01:44:02.430
that was that was pretty horrible i'm a better

01:44:02.430 --> 01:44:08.270
person before i heard that i i missed the person

01:44:08.270 --> 01:44:11.789
i was before me too that's why i had to share

01:44:11.789 --> 01:44:16.850
it i wasn't going down there alone uh hashtag

01:44:16.850 --> 01:44:23.199
fisted uh from Benis DD. Gottrick. Why? To supercharge

01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:25.319
his slaughter across the realms with the extra

01:44:25.319 --> 01:44:29.199
shame and ass aches left after an unexpected

01:44:29.199 --> 01:44:36.960
ceramite -coated Thorgrim backstab. Wow. Tom

01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:42.699
Warren 55i8. We got 5580. That'll be the second

01:44:42.699 --> 01:44:46.350
to last one. Hashtag fisted. Because Colin cannot

01:44:46.350 --> 01:44:49.750
tell me what to do, gonna say Manfred. However,

01:44:49.930 --> 01:44:52.449
it's not that Manfred. It's Manfred Von Diehl,

01:44:52.569 --> 01:44:55.369
who killed Felix's first love, Kirsten. Sure,

01:44:55.390 --> 01:44:57.289
Felix got to kill the guy, but that doesn't mean

01:44:57.289 --> 01:44:59.210
I still wouldn't like to see him punch. Real.

01:45:00.609 --> 01:45:03.569
Very real. And then finally, for our last one,

01:45:04.229 --> 01:45:09.329
Trippie Imp 6265. Hashtag fisted, and he just

01:45:09.329 --> 01:45:14.859
said Eli. Crazy. Crazy. Turned our favourite

01:45:14.859 --> 01:45:22.779
Canadian into a puppet. So you say, for the question

01:45:22.779 --> 01:45:26.539
of the week, you are turned into a god. What

01:45:26.539 --> 01:45:32.279
are you the new god of? Sure. Hashtag god. Hashtag

01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:36.859
god. Put us in the same hashtags as the most

01:45:36.859 --> 01:45:39.619
wholesome people on the internet, and then put

01:45:39.619 --> 01:45:43.680
us in there. I think I've said before, but that's

01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:45.699
happened to me a couple times. There's been two

01:45:45.699 --> 01:45:50.659
videos of this family just posting on a personal

01:45:50.659 --> 01:45:53.800
YouTube channel about them talking about how

01:45:53.800 --> 01:45:56.239
they're getting over a recent diabetes diagnosis,

01:45:56.300 --> 01:45:59.979
and then they have hashtag pancreas no work.

01:46:01.099 --> 01:46:04.079
and it's clearly like i don't think you know

01:46:04.079 --> 01:46:08.319
what i'm about i appreciate i i hope your diabetes

01:46:08.319 --> 01:46:11.140
journey is going smoothly but i think you're

01:46:11.140 --> 01:46:14.800
a bit suggested video marafi like oh it's not

01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:17.680
quite as bad as when i started my channel and

01:46:17.680 --> 01:46:25.670
i saw next to my videos amber king eulogy I know

01:46:25.670 --> 01:46:29.109
there's more than one. Poor people trying to

01:46:29.109 --> 01:46:33.590
look up this wholesome video. Finding Warhammer

01:46:33.590 --> 01:46:37.109
lore videos. It's just crazy. Should we just

01:46:37.109 --> 01:46:40.930
hashtag divine? Has that worked for everyone?

01:46:41.130 --> 01:46:44.829
Hashtag God. Let's stick with it. Hashtag God

01:46:44.829 --> 01:46:49.670
me up. We would like the story of how I bit a

01:46:49.670 --> 01:46:53.220
hole in my hand before we close. Anchor's on

01:46:53.220 --> 01:46:55.659
my case again, appreciate you brother. It's a

01:46:55.659 --> 01:46:57.880
very short story. Colin bit a hole in his hand.

01:46:58.220 --> 01:47:01.680
Yeah, it's a very short story. I was really itchy

01:47:01.680 --> 01:47:04.739
on my hand one night. So I just started chewing

01:47:04.739 --> 01:47:08.020
it like a dog for like two hours straight. When

01:47:08.020 --> 01:47:10.979
I woke up, it was completely in the dark too,

01:47:11.079 --> 01:47:12.939
I was laying in bed, I didn't feel like turning

01:47:12.939 --> 01:47:16.039
the lights on. So when I woke up in the morning,

01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:19.659
well, woke up in the afternoon. It was just a

01:47:19.659 --> 01:47:23.079
hole in my hand. It was like a good centimeter

01:47:23.079 --> 01:47:27.500
deep. You're a cannibal. I wasn't like chewing

01:47:27.500 --> 01:47:30.340
and swallowing. I was just gnawing. I just like

01:47:30.340 --> 01:47:31.720
the idea that you woke up and you were just like,

01:47:31.819 --> 01:47:35.739
and you could just like see through just like

01:47:35.739 --> 01:47:39.359
one little. It was like right here on my hand,

01:47:39.460 --> 01:47:41.840
like right about here. It was just really fucking

01:47:41.840 --> 01:47:46.779
itchy. So I just, you know. That's a crazy way

01:47:46.779 --> 01:47:48.579
to finish this. With that being said, though,

01:47:48.699 --> 01:47:51.279
I hope everyone enjoyed this on streaming. We

01:47:51.279 --> 01:47:52.840
might do more of these where it's more like it's

01:47:52.840 --> 01:47:56.199
with kind of summarizing like a big lore question.

01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:59.579
I hope people enjoy that stuff. Thank you guys

01:47:59.579 --> 01:48:03.380
for watching, for listening. Again, we have merchandise.

01:48:03.460 --> 01:48:10.079
Get your Goin Bob. Non Warhammer Goins. Mr. Bob

01:48:10.079 --> 01:48:13.140
Goy. Legally distinct. Legally distinct shirt.

01:48:13.279 --> 01:48:16.939
Cool stuff on there. Obviously, again, for people

01:48:16.939 --> 01:48:19.100
listening on the Remastered episode, comment

01:48:19.100 --> 01:48:21.819
below what you thought as well at the end of

01:48:21.819 --> 01:48:24.039
it. Or if you were just like, nah, shut up, bro.

01:48:24.140 --> 01:48:26.619
He's definitely not a god, or he is. We're happy

01:48:26.619 --> 01:48:29.359
to listen. And we'll catch you guys all in the

01:48:29.359 --> 01:48:32.399
next one. Peace. Bye -bye. Bye.
