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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back

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to Fantasy Fireside. It's been a little while.

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I think the last episode we talked about Grand

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Cafe, but we've got something a bit different

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now. Due to popular demand in the comments, we've

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had some people suggesting various factions.

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But Colin, I believe this is possibly the single

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most requested one. What are we talking about

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today? We are talking about the Wood Elves, and

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you better believe I was surprised that... elves

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were the most requested thing. That doesn't normally

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happen. We love elves. Good on you, elves. They

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definitely seem to have a contrasting perception

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compared to 40k. 40k people are like, and the

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fancy is like, oh, elves, I love Iden F. Deepkin

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and the other ones. There's elves in the sea,

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there's elves in the cities, and today we're

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talking about the living trees. Amazing. It's

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crazy. When the writers don't treat you with

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contempt, the audience is more receptive. Who

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would have guessed? Nice. Well, I must admit,

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wood elves are quite a regular thing in fantasy

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settings. You've got them in things like Dragon

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Age. You've got them in, obviously, Lord of the

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Rings and stuff like that. There's the ones that

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live in the woods rather than the cities. So

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is there like a specific thing that defines them

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differently in Warhammer Fantasy, or are they

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just kind of following the tried and true, like,

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oh, it's a wood elf, isn't it? They have bows

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and arrows. They like squirrels, I guess. It

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does, in a lot of ways, follow the tried and

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true method of, you know, this is a wood elf.

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That being said, they encroach a little bit into

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both Elder Scrolls territory, because they'll

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happily eat you. We know your opinion on myrrh

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in the Elder Scrolls. It's okay. These aren't

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myrrh. These are different. It's fine. Okay.

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And a little bit of eldritch horror stuff because

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the forest they live in is, you know, it's not

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the warp, but it is terrifying and warps reality

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around it. So, you know, it's not. Wood elves,

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if they were completely insane and lived in a

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very green hell, is not the worst way to look

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at them. Okay. Not quite malevolent. It's basically

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just like mini Katachan. Everything will kill

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you if you go in apart from the elves. They're

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fine because they've got an understanding of

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nature. It's like... What is it? Lustria is like

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Catacan, kind of, because I think Lustria is

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close, because, you know, Lustria is just like

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a jungle, too. The wood elves kind of live, it's

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kind of like Catacan, too, but if, like, Catacan

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was intersecting with the warp, there are better

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places to live. There are also much worse places

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to live, because if the forest likes you, it's

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not too bad. But, you know, it probably doesn't

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like you. Yeah. OK, well, I'm intrigued to learn

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more. So where are we taking things to start

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with today? Well, we we're going to start with

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a little bit of prehistory again. So old ones

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come to the planet. I think we've we've discussed

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this a bit before. They start mucking about with

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it. All the Lizardmen. Hey, there's a lot of

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never before seen fantasy races on it. If you

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could handle that. And they did. And it's never

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quite confirmed, but they might have also popped

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down a very big acorn for a tree called the Oak

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of Ages that would turn the surrounding forest

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into a really, at the time, much nicer magical

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forest than it would become. At this point in

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time, and it's a forest, so it takes plenty of

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time to grow, but it's much closer to the forest

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from Lord of the Rings, where they all live in.

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It's a wonderful, magical forest. There's no

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Galadriel there yet, but there's very kind trees.

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Treebeard is here, and he's still very nice.

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I like the forest. It's full of trees. Oh, I'm

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the same voice actor as Gimli. Hello. Said Treebeard.

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Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. It's good

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fun. Oh, that's cool. But yeah, the last March

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of the Ents has not occurred yet, so they're

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still very happy, kind tree folk. No gunpowder

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is getting involved yet. No, not yet. And this

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great tree that would grow, called the Oak of

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Ages, its roots were... Called the World Roots

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because they're pretty much across the entire

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planet. They went to Ulthuan, which is them reaching

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up through the ocean because Ulthuan doesn't

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connect to the ground. They were across pretty

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much everywhere on the planet. They weren't the

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entire planet, but if you wandered around every

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continent, every future country a bit, you'd

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find some bits of it. One of those, that world

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that led to Ulthuan, is in the place called Averlorn.

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which is where the Everqueen of the Elves lives,

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who is part the goddess Isha. And the tree spirits

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would travel there every now and again. The elves

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were, you know, this is again, this is the prehistory,

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the setting. They're very innocent. They don't

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know. We live in a Warhammer world yet, to put

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it that way. So they saw Treebeard come walking

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through, and they're like, I love Treebeard.

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He's my friendly oak grandpa. Hmm. He's like

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the Deku tree from Zelda. Like, oh, Link, I'm

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just a big tree. Oh, couldn't hurt anything.

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Yeah, they're just kind fellas. All the other

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spirits were still, you know, nice and kind and

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cheerful and playful. One of them in particular

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named Dirthu, who has a different moniker in

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Total War, which we'll get to later. He was really

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fond of the High Elves and the Ever Queen in

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particular. Him and his tree brothers and sisters

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taught him how to shape the wood without cutting

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it down, all that classical wood elf forest hippie

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stuff. Still not wood elves. This was more just

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a cultural exchange, right? Because they weren't

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allowed to go back to the main forest. But the

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tree spirits... They didn't really need to go

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to the forest. The elves were perfectly happy

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where they were. They were happy to make their

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homeland that much more beautiful and vibrant.

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The tree spirits, it's mentioned, they wanted

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those trees to wake up too because they woke

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up and now they could walk around and they want

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the other trees too as well. We were old friends.

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Exactly. They want to spread the gift with the

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world. And then demons happened. Oh, as, uh,

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as tends to happen in Warhammer. Hmm. So those

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two great polar gates, the old ones used exploded,

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uh, chaos swept across the world and it was awful

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for everyone. Um, you know, the TLDR for, again,

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the elves, the Lizardmen were busy fighting the

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war in the web way, basically. Okay. Uh, Except

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they didn't have guns or anything. They just

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had obsidian clubs. It's, you know, I'll give

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the Saurus credit. Some of them are basically

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lizard custodians, but that war was too much

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for the custodians and it was too much for them

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too. So it's going rough. The elves are even

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worse off because, you know, they have armies,

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but it's an army that was never used. It was

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just a thing to do, because why would you? They

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lived in the Garden of Eden. What do you need

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an army for? It turns out when four different

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Satans invade, it's good to have that army, but

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it wasn't much. Their experience before then

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was doing the towel flick in the gym, like, oh,

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stop it, stop it. And then it's like, Satan,

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oh, no. We actually have to use these swords

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that we have. Oh, how do you stab them? Which

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edge bit do you use? I think the pointy bit.

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Yeah, the greatest High Elf commanders are the

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ones who do the bottle -flipping trick where

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it lands on the bottom three times in a row.

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You do that, you can lead. You are now in charge

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of the artillery. Brilliant! Yes! Clearly he's

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got the credentials. Yeah, so eventually the

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tide turns. That Anarion fella, the greatest

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High Elf, pulls the sword of Cain, goes to town,

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starts fighting everything off. lord croak kills

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like half of all demons ever on his own uh wow

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i there's no specific numbers given i just know

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that time stopped not because he stopped time

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but because reality had the youtube buffering

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symbol on it he was casting so much magic time

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literally just as bystander watching guys check

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this out I'm just going to slow it down because

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it's that cool. And I'm just an effervescent

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idea. Wow. Even time was impressed. I love my

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elves. This is an elf episode, but I got to be

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fair to Lord Croak. He's a real one. The elves

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fought one infinite demon army. That's pretty

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impressive. The lizardmen fought infinite demon

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armies. They definitely had the brunt of the

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work. But, you know, the elves have an area now.

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He's chopping demons left, right, center, wherever

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he goes. And this province of Averlorn, where

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the tree forest likes to go, they had largely

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been untouched. Interestingly, in part, because

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the demons sensed the forest spirits were not

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all that dissimilar from themselves. And they

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didn't want to muscle in on their territory when

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there was easier options available. That is a

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worrying statement. And should be a worrying

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statement. But if they're tree demons, they're

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still nicer than the corn demons or the slanesh

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demons. At least they're not on fire or doing

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unseemly things to each other's orifices. Pick

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evil tree any day. They're quite opposed to fire,

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I would say. Yeah. Seems like a hazard. But they...

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They're demons of chaos. They're not going to

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hold back forever. And one day, while Anarion's

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all army was way away from Averlorn, because

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he's got to defend the whole continent, the largest

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demonic host yet seen on Ulthuan descended upon

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the place of Averlorn, and they just started

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going to town. Durthu and the rest of the tree

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spirits, they helped fight alongside their allies.

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They had their home, but they didn't want to

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just leave their friends out to dry. Still a

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losing battle. They're demons, they're technically

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infinite, and even if not functionally a lot

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of the time, they're still a lot. So they just

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kept pushing further and further into the heartlands

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until the last day of Averlorn being a thing

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for the time being before they could rebuild

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it. where the Everqueen of the Elves, named Asterial,

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who, as an off -mention, is Anarion's wife, but

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that's not too relevant to the story at hand,

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came to Durthu with a request, and this was a

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sad one, because her request was just that her

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two children be taken with him back to the Great

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Forest and the Oak of Ages, so they don't die.

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He thought about it, because... Like, sapient

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things have never been in the forest before.

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Like, you know, there's all the forest. There's

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plenty of deer. There's some squirrels and critters

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like not. No people. And he didn't feel his other

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tree friends would be too happy with him bringing

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them back. But, again, the trees are still tree

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beard. They're still nice and they don't want

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to leave their friends out to dry. And, more

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importantly, he kind of... I don't know if he

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outright looked into the future, but he thought

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long and hard for as much time as he had. He

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saw how, you know, when the elves and the trees

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were fighting together, they were a lot more

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effective than there would be alone. So he foresaw

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a time where that might help save his forest.

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So he agreed. He said, there's going to be a

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price to pay because if I do this, I'm going

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to take some elves of my own. Not kill. You know,

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he didn't mean kill, but it's like, hey. these

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are the forest guardians. Now you can't have

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them back on your Island. Hmm. Uh, the ever queen,

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you know, she was thinking this over too, especially

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cause there's this tone. What he had that tone

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of, you know, it's Christopher Lee's given you

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a prophecy. It's like when, uh, what is it? Episode

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two, when he's telling Obi -Wan, uh, the Sith

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control everything. And Obi -Wan just doesn't

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believe him. He's got that tone in his mouth.

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So the ever queen's a little bit more receptive

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than Ewan McGregor. Uh, but whether or not she

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would have said no, uh, she never, she didn't

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have much time to think on it and make her own

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choice because just about that moment, uh, Nakari

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burst through, uh, you know, the, the keeper

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of secrets. Oh, uh, killed the rest of her bodyguard

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at once. And then she basically said, okay, that's

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fine. do it just let my kids live so she gave

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dearth through her two kids and went to go fight

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nikari with a little magic she had spoiler alert

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she did not make it oh her two kids did though

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uh but unfortunately for an arian he didn't know

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that and uh by the time his two kids returned

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One to become the Everqueen and one to become

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her bodyguard. Aenarion had gone long insane,

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grabbed Cain's sword, started killing demons,

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disappeared, all that fun stuff. But for the

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time being, you know, we got to jump ahead a

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little bit because that's a high elves thing.

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We're not quite there yet. And to be fair to

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Aenarion, what's more likely? Ah, my wife died

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and the kids died too, or big tree took my children.

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Yeah, it's... I can't blame the guy for not expecting

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Treebeard to come rescue his children. You know,

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that's more than fair to make some assumptions

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about that. But, you know, back at Athel Loren,

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there was some fighting over, you know, do we

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allow them? I'm not a fan of this. I don't necessarily

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want to kill them, but I kind of want them just

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thrown out. One of the tree lords wanted them

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killed. His name's Coadil, and he is not a very

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nice tree man. But... I had the tree. Yeah, but

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it was eventually Durth who convinced all the

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other big trees and that, look, let's just magically

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keep them asleep. They won't see anything. You

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know, and then we'll send them back home, which

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they did. In the meantime, the Great Forest was

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not doing much better than Ulthuan was or anywhere

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else in the world was doing. Demons everywhere,

00:16:41.350 --> 00:16:45.409
remember? But by the time Durthu got back home,

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he noticed that the trees had changed a bit.

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All the different treebeards are still around.

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All the little dryad forest spirits are all around.

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They're a lot angrier than they were before,

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though. You know, before again, you know, it's

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an ant, right? Like, you know, Lord of the Rings.

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The ants aren't angry. They're not warlike, but

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it's a moving tree. It's going to punt you into

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the stratosphere if it so feels. They're not

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ants anymore. Now they are quite upset at the

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outside world for the demon invasion they've

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been suffering for all this time. They were happy

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and peaceful. And all of a sudden the deep, and

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that's not our fault because we didn't do anything.

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And now we've lost a bunch of allotments and

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flowers. You are all enemies of the state, the

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tree state. Yeah. So they had, they'd started

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regaining a bit of ground, lost to the demons.

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And again, the price of their kind, wondrous,

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happy nature had been replaced with, I sure want

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to be watered with the blood of the living. My

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word. So, a little rough. But, the demons were

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eventually put back. Anarion and Kalidor set

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up the Vortex. The Lizardmen finally got to sleep

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after fighting ten to the power of infinity demons

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for the last couple thousands of years. The trees

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can rest too, and hopefully could become a little

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bit less psychopathic. For the time being, the

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wood elves and the trees wouldn't really speak

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to each other again for a bit. They didn't visit

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their home of Ulthuan anymore because they had

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their own force to rebuild. All the old contact

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and secrets the trees taught the elves kind of

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lost to time. Shame, but it is what it is. So

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again, it was another good while before they

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ever interacted again. The high elves for their

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part. colonized a lot of the old world, the lands

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that would become Bretonnia, the Empire. Malekith

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and his mom did the funny thing and tried to

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take control of Ulthuan before they got told

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to piss off. And friendships were made with the

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dwarfs. Things were good for a while. Then things

00:19:13.769 --> 00:19:15.910
weren't good. The dwarfs and high elves go to

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war because Malekith is awful. And those colon...

00:19:21.899 --> 00:19:25.319
slightly jumping ahead. No one won the war. No

00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:27.180
one really won that war. The dwarves like to

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say they won, and to be fair, they did kill the

00:19:30.940 --> 00:19:37.039
king. Who lost more? Not me. You lost more than

00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:39.559
I lost. They did kill the king, and the high

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elves had to retreat back home. At a certain

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point, it just doesn't matter. When you lose

00:19:49.059 --> 00:19:54.140
10 million dwarves, It's kind of doesn't really

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matter. You won. Would you like your consolation

00:19:57.420 --> 00:19:59.880
prize? It's your home covered in orcs and goblins

00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:05.700
now. Not great. But with this, Malekith once

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again invaded Ulthuan. He does that every five

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minutes. And all those elven colonists were recalled

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home back to Ulthuan. The high elves were just

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like, now they are the high elves. Dark elves

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and high elves are separated. They were like,

00:20:19.099 --> 00:20:22.690
we're done. Clearly, we have our hands full just

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with our own home continent. We don't need to

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be reaching out for more. The dwarfs now hate

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us. To the east is dwarfs. To the west is dark

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elves. Let's just all go home because this planet

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sucks. Some of them, you know, some of the colonists

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went home. A lot of them told them to piss off.

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And during this time, some of them had been not

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going into the Great Forest because... When they

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did, they saw strange lights, heard singing,

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the path would shape around them, and then anyone

00:20:55.380 --> 00:20:57.079
who made it far enough just wouldn't come back

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out. But they were, for some reason, something

00:21:00.420 --> 00:21:02.579
in their blood was just saying, that's going

00:21:02.579 --> 00:21:04.519
to be important one day. Something about that

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forest. I want to know what's going on there.

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And they named it Athel Loren, which translates

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to Wood of the Dawning of the World, which is

00:21:14.180 --> 00:21:17.880
a lot of word to come out of two words. But I'm

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never going to call it that again. They settled

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on the outskirts, and when the dwarfs, you know,

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the war happened, the colonists were called home,

00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:30.920
a lot of them just kind of hung around here.

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Eventually, the dwarfs kind of... had to work

00:21:46.170 --> 00:21:49.009
out their hurt feelings in that war and they

00:21:49.009 --> 00:21:51.049
decided to work it out on those remaining high

00:21:51.049 --> 00:21:54.809
elven colonists as you do i was going i don't

00:21:54.809 --> 00:21:57.569
know how to process my emotions where's my axe

00:21:57.569 --> 00:21:59.910
yeah sounds like a like a dwarf thing to do yeah

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they looked was like you you are an elf we were

00:22:02.930 --> 00:22:06.849
just on fighting elves come here knife here and

00:22:06.849 --> 00:22:12.470
yeah yeah they they started swinging there's

00:22:12.470 --> 00:22:18.839
there's no two ways about it But for once, now

00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:25.140
the forest opened up for the high elves. And

00:22:25.140 --> 00:22:35.220
let them in. Why? Who knows? We've had some experiences

00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:37.640
with the elves, but those short fellas, I don't

00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:39.839
like the look of those fellas coming over here,

00:22:39.900 --> 00:22:42.259
killing these elves. Oh, they didn't do anything.

00:22:42.420 --> 00:22:44.460
And we didn't do anything when we were attacked.

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So maybe they were like, oh. Not helping is that

00:22:48.099 --> 00:22:50.400
winter was also coming by this point. And, you

00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:53.180
know, the trees, they're trees. They get a little

00:22:53.180 --> 00:22:55.059
bit more lethargic in winter. You know, all the

00:22:55.059 --> 00:22:58.160
leaves fall off. It's like that for the tree

00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:00.259
spirits, too. You know, they're slower. They're

00:23:00.259 --> 00:23:03.069
more sluggish. Trees need firewood in the winter,

00:23:03.150 --> 00:23:06.990
don't they? So the trees weren't much a fan of

00:23:06.990 --> 00:23:09.670
that. Trees were also going after the elves.

00:23:09.750 --> 00:23:13.250
So the force was like, they hate both of us.

00:23:13.289 --> 00:23:18.210
Come on in. Come on in. So at this point, the

00:23:18.210 --> 00:23:20.390
dwarves have been, oh, we need to build stuff.

00:23:20.470 --> 00:23:22.150
Let's cut down some trees for the industrial

00:23:22.150 --> 00:23:24.690
war machine. Let's slowly chip away at them.

00:23:24.970 --> 00:23:27.769
Yeah, cut down some trees, make some impromptu

00:23:27.769 --> 00:23:30.049
buildings, and then cut down some elves too.

00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:40.539
Hmm. Why not? Yeah. So with this, eventually

00:23:40.539 --> 00:23:44.680
the elves and the tree spirits started working

00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.960
together a little bit. They started, you know,

00:23:48.019 --> 00:23:50.279
as they once did against demons, so too do they

00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:54.500
did against dwarfs. The forest would open up.

00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:57.420
Some elves would rush out, shoot the dwarfs with

00:23:57.420 --> 00:24:01.359
their bows, rush, bash it back in. When the dwarves

00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.279
tried to give chase, the trees would come to

00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.940
life and cut them into pieces. It was some pretty

00:24:07.940 --> 00:24:13.960
good teamwork. Also, some of that mystical Eldritch

00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:17.240
Forest thing came into play here. Because suddenly,

00:24:17.380 --> 00:24:21.079
the elves would walk out. They'd walk back into

00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:23.200
the trees. And five minutes later, they're ten

00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:28.650
miles away. So, something's going on there. sometimes

00:24:28.650 --> 00:24:32.990
the forest would just kind of close you know

00:24:32.990 --> 00:24:38.829
the branches just kind of and to be fair i'm

00:24:38.829 --> 00:24:41.029
assuming that the height advantage of like have

00:24:41.029 --> 00:24:44.730
you ever seen a dwarf climb a tree doubt it like

00:24:44.730 --> 00:24:46.690
there must have been like a lot of arches on

00:24:46.690 --> 00:24:48.509
the top branches and the dwarves are going where's

00:24:48.509 --> 00:24:50.750
that coming from like craning their necks trying

00:24:50.750 --> 00:24:53.009
to see where they're being shot from bad times

00:24:53.009 --> 00:24:55.900
i would assume I imagine it's like a dog trying

00:24:55.900 --> 00:24:58.940
to look straight up. It's not going to work very

00:24:58.940 --> 00:25:03.740
well, man. Getting stuck in mud and maybe some

00:25:03.740 --> 00:25:05.900
swamp lands or something. With these heavily

00:25:05.900 --> 00:25:08.140
armored fellows just marching in, you've got

00:25:08.140 --> 00:25:10.480
these very light -footed elves running along

00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:14.640
the tree ranches. It's kind of a... Again, that

00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:16.839
scene in Lord of the Rings where it's Gimli walking

00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:19.019
through and it's like, the dwarf made so much

00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:22.240
noise we could have shot him in the dark. Elves

00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:24.809
do well in trees. Dwarves, not so much. Yeah.

00:25:26.430 --> 00:25:29.250
So all through this time, eventually, the dwarves

00:25:29.250 --> 00:25:31.289
are driven back, and the forest seemed to let

00:25:31.289 --> 00:25:34.730
the elves stay this time. They could even go

00:25:34.730 --> 00:25:37.369
in a little bit deeper than before, which the

00:25:37.369 --> 00:25:42.369
elves, they didn't know why. Off to the sidelines,

00:25:42.630 --> 00:25:47.410
Durthu and his two main tree buddies, that coital

00:25:47.410 --> 00:25:52.710
guy and one named... Where did I put his name

00:25:52.710 --> 00:25:56.170
down? Shit, give me a minute. Adonhu. There we

00:25:56.170 --> 00:26:00.269
go. He's not too important. He kind of comes

00:26:00.269 --> 00:26:02.009
up every now and again now, but not for long.

00:26:02.769 --> 00:26:10.990
Adonhu. More like Adonhu. But they were arguing

00:26:10.990 --> 00:26:13.970
over the fate of the elves. Adonhu, he was like,

00:26:14.029 --> 00:26:16.910
well, hey, they helped us out. They seem pretty

00:26:16.910 --> 00:26:18.990
good at keeping the forest safe. Why don't we

00:26:18.990 --> 00:26:23.619
keep them around? And that Coedil fella was arguing

00:26:23.619 --> 00:26:28.299
for the elf death way of things. Durthy, for

00:26:28.299 --> 00:26:31.779
his part, just wasn't saying anything. He didn't

00:26:31.779 --> 00:26:35.519
trust his judgment anymore. Treebeard. Treebeard

00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:39.640
was also gravely wounded by dwarf axes. So he

00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.440
got a little bit more violent too, and he didn't

00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:44.579
quite trust his own judgment anymore. Which props

00:26:44.579 --> 00:26:48.200
for him for recognizing he might be a bit compromised

00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:52.349
emotionally. He was getting a bit sappy. Get

00:26:52.349 --> 00:27:06.670
the pun. I do. But eventually, the forest opened

00:27:06.670 --> 00:27:10.750
up most of its secrets to it. Not totally yet.

00:27:10.869 --> 00:27:14.309
The dryads and the tree men and the bigger tree

00:27:14.309 --> 00:27:17.319
men. Still not revealing themselves to the elves

00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:18.960
yet. They've kind of been helping off to the

00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.579
sidelines for now. But, you know, the elves,

00:27:22.700 --> 00:27:24.400
they're allowed to hang around their house, even

00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.359
if they never quite see the owner. Hmm. Fair

00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:32.299
enough. They treat the forest very well. They

00:27:32.299 --> 00:27:35.440
speak with the actual forest. When they got to

00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:37.720
the center of it, saw the giant Oak of Ages,

00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:42.049
which by this point, breaching the clouds. Their

00:27:42.049 --> 00:27:44.609
mages started speaking with the will of the forest

00:27:44.609 --> 00:27:47.670
in unison, which is at least a little bit terrifying.

00:27:49.170 --> 00:27:52.009
And their head mage, Ariel, who's very important,

00:27:52.150 --> 00:27:56.809
taught them how to tree sing, do that thing where

00:27:56.809 --> 00:28:00.190
they shape items out of trees and cut off branches

00:28:00.190 --> 00:28:03.410
and grow new wood without breaking it. The wood

00:28:03.410 --> 00:28:06.970
elf hippie stuff. A bit like bone singing, but...

00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.759
More natural, I suppose. I wonder where they

00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:14.259
got that from. Who did it first? 40k or Warhammer

00:28:14.259 --> 00:28:18.160
with singing things into weapons and stuff. I

00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.720
wonder. One of them did it, surely. They did

00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.460
take good care of the forest. They wouldn't take

00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:29.500
from it without giving back equally, either through

00:28:29.500 --> 00:28:33.480
some kind of sacrifice, which doesn't necessarily

00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:35.920
need to be murder sacrifice. It could be just

00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:40.019
a... I mean, hunting maybe, but, you know, they

00:28:40.019 --> 00:28:43.140
give in return or it's at the very least service.

00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.819
It's like, all right, I needed to make my house

00:28:45.819 --> 00:28:48.460
out of this wood. So now I'm going to, you know,

00:28:48.460 --> 00:28:51.680
spend a couple shifts at night making sure that

00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.180
no beavers or nothing try and cut down this tree.

00:28:56.940 --> 00:28:59.859
It's free labor, said the Ents. Amazing. Pretty

00:28:59.859 --> 00:29:03.640
much. You know, they would only take in the winter,

00:29:03.740 --> 00:29:07.470
you know, fallen branches. They'd heal any trees

00:29:07.470 --> 00:29:13.269
that were hurting. They were doing good. Waste

00:29:13.269 --> 00:29:16.089
not, want not. Every bit of the animal goes towards

00:29:16.089 --> 00:29:22.529
making something. They're good little tree guardians.

00:29:25.789 --> 00:29:29.289
Once again, the dwarfs march upon the forest

00:29:29.289 --> 00:29:33.299
later on. And then the dwarves went, I hate trees!

00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.119
And started, like, book of grudges. Chapter 15.

00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.839
Hate trees. Trees bad. Trees hurt me. Hate trees.

00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.180
There are absolutely several dozen entries in

00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:49.079
the book after the last time. So at this point,

00:29:49.140 --> 00:29:51.680
and now they're especially prepared. They know

00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:53.839
this forest is alive, so the torches are bright

00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:59.480
and the axes are sharp. Hmm. So... The elves,

00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:01.839
you know, the four spirits speak on what to do.

00:30:02.900 --> 00:30:09.680
What is it? The elves are figuring out how do

00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:13.380
we defend, consult the gods, do the future, do

00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:15.240
everything we can, do all the magical stuff.

00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:20.839
How do we handle this? Two of them, Ariel, the

00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:25.140
one we just briefly mentioned, and one guy named

00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:29.339
Lord Orion. quietly off to the side, were deep

00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:32.900
in conversation, and they just kind of quietly

00:30:32.900 --> 00:30:38.440
slipped away. For the rest of the wood elves,

00:30:38.819 --> 00:30:45.480
they're like half wood elves now, they were not

00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:51.819
pleased with what they were coming together with.

00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:54.380
They felt that not only could they not defeat

00:30:54.380 --> 00:30:59.069
the dwarfs, But their seers had determined that

00:30:59.069 --> 00:31:02.710
the dwarfs are not even the greatest threat because

00:31:02.710 --> 00:31:04.569
there's a whole lot of orcs behind them that

00:31:04.569 --> 00:31:09.710
they don't know about. Oh, no. Wave upon wave

00:31:09.710 --> 00:31:14.529
of people who hate nature. Assuming there must

00:31:14.529 --> 00:31:16.230
be a point where the dwarfs get pintered between

00:31:16.230 --> 00:31:18.529
the two, that would be bad. You don't want the

00:31:18.529 --> 00:31:20.809
orcs following you. That sounds like a bad plan.

00:31:21.029 --> 00:31:23.670
It's not great, but they didn't seem to quite

00:31:23.670 --> 00:31:30.069
be aware. It was more so behind because there's

00:31:30.069 --> 00:31:33.150
so many orcs that they just kind of stretched

00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:35.910
out a little bit to intersect with the dwarfs'

00:31:35.970 --> 00:31:39.869
invasion path. Just like the equivalent of a

00:31:39.869 --> 00:31:43.589
raiding party of orcs. 1 % of this gigantic mass

00:31:43.589 --> 00:31:46.430
that's terrorizing somewhere else on the planet.

00:31:47.970 --> 00:31:54.150
It's orcs. They're everywhere in Warhammer. Some

00:31:54.150 --> 00:31:57.210
orcs raiding your army is, I assume that's just

00:31:57.210 --> 00:31:59.430
kind of expected. Like, that's just an assumption

00:31:59.430 --> 00:32:05.130
you make when you're out in campaign. Yeah. In

00:32:05.130 --> 00:32:11.069
this, as this is happening, the tree spirits

00:32:11.069 --> 00:32:14.910
finally reveal themselves to the elves. They

00:32:14.910 --> 00:32:19.630
say that Adatenhu, he comes back out and he says,

00:32:19.690 --> 00:32:22.450
we will fight alongside you as long as the battle's

00:32:22.450 --> 00:32:25.319
before winter. We're not very active in winter.

00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:28.400
We biologically can't be. We've got to huddle

00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:32.819
up and hibernate. I've seen all the bears, just

00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:36.440
like, no, I can't, mate. Oh, I'm so tired. Sorry,

00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:38.500
I can't fight anymore, said the bear. I said

00:32:38.500 --> 00:32:40.859
the bears and the trees and everything. Makes

00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:48.039
sense, though. Yeah. So with this, Orion and

00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:50.539
Ariel aren't quite back yet, but the trees and

00:32:50.539 --> 00:32:56.710
the elves are now working together. And the dwarfs,

00:32:56.750 --> 00:33:00.970
they're pretty handily defeated. It's not a bloodless

00:33:00.970 --> 00:33:04.309
victory. Elves and trees alike are scarred. But

00:33:04.309 --> 00:33:10.589
both elf and dwarf had some payback to get. So

00:33:10.589 --> 00:33:17.349
they took to this fight with gusto. Unfortunately,

00:33:17.910 --> 00:33:22.799
winter seemed to have come early this year. In

00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:26.960
an almost prophetic sense. Last dwarf goes down.

00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.900
The icy winds start blowing through. And the

00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:36.960
trees. Said. They gotta go to bed. Nap time.

00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:43.599
Said the trees. So. With that. The trees have

00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.799
to go hibernate. And now the orcs are here. And.

00:33:48.500 --> 00:33:51.319
Orcs still get cold. They're certainly more resistant.

00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.720
than most people, but orcs still get cold. They're

00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.039
surrounded by a whole lot of forests that they

00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.980
just start cutting down and lighting on fire.

00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.539
Sometimes, have you ever played Don't Starve?

00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:05.519
You know that game? I know it, but I've not played

00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.400
it, but I remember when it was really popular

00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:09.820
and I used to see lots of gameplay of it. Well,

00:34:10.099 --> 00:34:11.639
I'm assuming they did what you can do in that

00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.199
game and they go to light one tree to keep it

00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.449
warm and then a forest fire starts. Except in

00:34:17.449 --> 00:34:19.170
that game, it can be a little bit accidental.

00:34:19.570 --> 00:34:20.909
It's like, I didn't mean to do that. I'm sure

00:34:20.909 --> 00:34:24.170
the orcs were perfectly happy with it. Yeah,

00:34:24.170 --> 00:34:25.989
happy accident. They're like, oh, well, to be

00:34:25.989 --> 00:34:28.010
honest, I don't care. It's not like they had

00:34:28.010 --> 00:34:30.329
any reason not to make more fire, because more

00:34:30.329 --> 00:34:32.510
fire mean more warm. That sounds like a good

00:34:32.510 --> 00:34:36.829
idea. Exactly. More fire mean more warm. The

00:34:36.829 --> 00:34:40.409
elves prepare to fight and die in front of the

00:34:40.409 --> 00:34:44.760
Oak of Ages, because... This was going on slowly

00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:48.239
but surely over the winter. They're fighting

00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:52.519
a losing battle. And then at dawn one day, the

00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.420
forest transforms en masse. It seems like just

00:34:56.420 --> 00:35:01.260
as quick as it came, winter's over. And they

00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:03.860
hear the horn of their god of the hunt echoing

00:35:03.860 --> 00:35:07.559
throughout the woods. The animals are all rised

00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:13.269
from hibernation at once. Yeah, their god, Kurnos,

00:35:13.369 --> 00:35:18.170
is suddenly on the field. No tricks. It's just

00:35:18.170 --> 00:35:22.210
their god. Oh, gods turn up. Don't worry. Happens

00:35:22.210 --> 00:35:25.849
occasionally. With his hunting hounds at his

00:35:25.849 --> 00:35:28.190
heels. And, you know, that renews the elves,

00:35:28.349 --> 00:35:30.369
because if there's anything that's going to give

00:35:30.369 --> 00:35:32.530
you a second wind, it would probably be god showing

00:35:32.530 --> 00:35:34.710
up to fight alongside you. I imagine that would

00:35:34.710 --> 00:35:38.889
bolster spirits. He blew his horn a second time,

00:35:38.949 --> 00:35:42.349
and he and the hounds crash into the... Into

00:35:42.349 --> 00:35:48.190
the orc lines. And. The elves join in the fray.

00:35:48.909 --> 00:35:51.389
The tree spirits. They finally start waking up

00:35:51.389 --> 00:35:54.750
again. And they're all too happy. To take revenge

00:35:54.750 --> 00:35:57.469
for all their. Brothers and sister trees. That

00:35:57.469 --> 00:36:03.949
were burned by the orcs. And. Yeah. They had

00:36:03.949 --> 00:36:08.949
been. They're back. And by the time the sun sets.

00:36:09.230 --> 00:36:13.079
There's no more orcs. They're gone. is it fair

00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.039
to say that they're at their strongest during

00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.280
spring because that's like seasonally that's

00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.179
like oh and everything blooms again and then

00:36:19.179 --> 00:36:21.619
yeah like you've gone from worst possible to

00:36:21.619 --> 00:36:25.539
best possible character stats yes spring comes

00:36:25.539 --> 00:36:27.199
and yeah they're at their strongest you know

00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.219
they're still doing plenty strong in summer fall

00:36:30.219 --> 00:36:32.440
comes around everyone knows nap time's coming

00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:35.679
winter is nap time yeah also i came up with a

00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:37.920
brilliant pun during the winter bit you could

00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:42.230
call it Now is the winter of our discontent.

00:36:45.150 --> 00:36:48.750
It's a pun episode. Little did anyone know, including

00:36:48.750 --> 00:36:51.489
me. Neither did I. They're just happening in

00:36:51.489 --> 00:36:59.750
my brain. Yeah. But yeah, Orion and Ariel had

00:36:59.750 --> 00:37:04.750
left to become avatars of the god Kernos and

00:37:04.750 --> 00:37:13.670
the goddess Isha. Yeah. So now the, uh, the wood

00:37:13.670 --> 00:37:15.710
elves are, you know, they're around now. Uh,

00:37:15.809 --> 00:37:17.349
it's like they're, they're properly the wood

00:37:17.349 --> 00:37:20.130
elves now. Like, uh, the tree spirits have formed,

00:37:20.190 --> 00:37:23.030
you know, friendships with them, you know, everything

00:37:23.030 --> 00:37:27.530
else is, uh, you know, it's, it's, they're good

00:37:27.530 --> 00:37:29.590
buddies now. Uh, they're, they're hanging out

00:37:29.590 --> 00:37:32.829
now. Not, not every tree is the biggest fan of

00:37:32.829 --> 00:37:36.469
them. I will admit. Uh, would still quite like

00:37:36.469 --> 00:37:40.519
to see. a lot of dead elves to the point that

00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:44.599
at one point he went a little bit insane, started

00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:48.579
killing elves, and they had to lock him away

00:37:48.579 --> 00:37:51.519
in a part of the forest that might be slightly

00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:55.579
chaos corrupted. Oh. I'm sure that won't be a

00:37:55.579 --> 00:37:58.820
problem. It's good. Got this bit of chaos in

00:37:58.820 --> 00:38:02.440
the middle of the... Just ignore it. It won't

00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:05.239
grow. It's good for keeping him out of the picture.

00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:08.139
It's definitely not great for his long -term

00:38:08.139 --> 00:38:18.000
health. Or sanity. There's a couple big threats

00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.460
that the wood elves would eventually have to

00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:26.719
deal with. For one, a small one. Mankind is a

00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.639
thing now. The empires of Elfen Dwarf kind of

00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.679
fallen away. There's people kind of encroaching

00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:43.639
on Athel Loren, which the empire doesn't really

00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.840
do it too much. There's a mountain range in between

00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.219
the forest and them. So the empire, you know,

00:38:49.219 --> 00:38:50.800
they're cutting down trees, but not, you know,

00:38:50.820 --> 00:38:53.369
the sacred magical trees, right? yeah they're

00:38:53.369 --> 00:38:56.289
not they're not as bad as orcs and dwarves who

00:38:56.289 --> 00:38:58.809
are like the the most industrious faction ever

00:38:58.809 --> 00:39:01.570
who likes to create stuff all the time and need

00:39:01.570 --> 00:39:04.849
a lot of firewood or the ones who cut down trees

00:39:04.849 --> 00:39:07.570
and burn them because more warm more good or

00:39:07.570 --> 00:39:10.570
just for fun so that someone will come and attack

00:39:10.570 --> 00:39:12.389
them so they can have a fight like that's the

00:39:12.389 --> 00:39:18.269
competition not great yeah it's it's not ideal

00:39:18.269 --> 00:39:22.590
but there are worse alternatives uh for the most

00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:26.449
part uh but the the ones who didn't really ignore

00:39:26.449 --> 00:39:28.550
uh the forest too well the ones who were living

00:39:28.550 --> 00:39:30.130
on the side of the mountains with the forest

00:39:30.130 --> 00:39:34.750
were those good old bretonians i was wondering

00:39:34.750 --> 00:39:36.110
when they were going to get into the pictures

00:39:36.110 --> 00:39:38.710
like where are the french they've got to be around

00:39:38.710 --> 00:39:42.250
here somewhere according to the wood elves as

00:39:42.250 --> 00:39:45.070
they saw it and i have to say i don't i don't

00:39:45.070 --> 00:39:48.050
i don't disagree with this view uh they were

00:39:48.050 --> 00:39:52.380
superstitious stupid ignorant barbarians who

00:39:52.380 --> 00:39:56.599
did largely avoid these places because, as far

00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:58.860
as they were concerned, that forest is haunted.

00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.679
And the wood elves mostly just kind of watched

00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.940
this happen. There were still orcs and goblins

00:40:07.940 --> 00:40:10.300
all over the place. So every now and then, green

00:40:10.300 --> 00:40:12.260
-skinned man would fight and the wood elves would

00:40:12.260 --> 00:40:14.960
just kind of stare at it like, eh, that's funny.

00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:18.239
Just get their telescopes out and just look at

00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:20.909
that stupid peasant. Oh, he's fighting an orc.

00:40:20.949 --> 00:40:23.829
Look at this, Kevin. Get some ethically made

00:40:23.829 --> 00:40:28.309
popcorn, watch the fighting. Whenever the fighting

00:40:28.309 --> 00:40:29.849
got a little bit too close, they would just kind

00:40:29.849 --> 00:40:35.550
of sweep in and slaughter both sides. Not helping

00:40:35.550 --> 00:40:41.630
mankind's view that that place is super haunted.

00:40:42.230 --> 00:40:48.340
Yeah. This incidentally started a tradition known

00:40:48.340 --> 00:40:51.340
as the Wild Hunt, which we'll get to later. Oh,

00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.480
Witcher 3, the Wild Hunt. Great game. Awesome.

00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:59.079
It's about as peaceful as that one is. And usually

00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:04.340
has a similar body count. Oh. And humanities

00:41:04.340 --> 00:41:08.119
in the end, it's not even an easy piece. It's

00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:11.039
like a stay off my lawn or I'm murdering you.

00:41:11.900 --> 00:41:17.940
Okay. Yeah, they're kind of assholes. Across

00:41:17.940 --> 00:41:21.500
this line, we will kill you. This line will kill

00:41:21.500 --> 00:41:25.900
you. The Wild Hunt basically is that Orion guy,

00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:30.920
the avatar of the god Kurnos. His wife, Ariel

00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.420
slash Isha, she's around all year. In the winter,

00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:36.179
she kind of chills out a bit, but she's around

00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:38.619
all year. There's still life in the winter, right?

00:41:40.579 --> 00:41:45.059
Orion, come winter, he just steps in the tree

00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:49.250
and dies. He's gone. Oh. He goes into the Oak

00:41:49.250 --> 00:41:55.449
of Ages and he's out. Wow. Every summer, a wood

00:41:55.449 --> 00:41:58.750
elf, you know, an important wood elf, is elected

00:41:58.750 --> 00:42:04.329
to be a sacrifice slash host for Orion's spirit

00:42:04.329 --> 00:42:07.369
and, you know, the spirit of Kurnos. And he comes

00:42:07.369 --> 00:42:10.550
forth. He enters the Oak of Ages. And when he

00:42:10.550 --> 00:42:13.429
comes out, Orion is back. And then the wild hunt

00:42:13.429 --> 00:42:17.340
begins, which... ostensibly, is to clear out

00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:22.000
any nearby threats to Athel Loren. Perhaps more

00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.440
honestly, they just like rampaging across the

00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.860
land. It's just a bit of fun. It's like, I've

00:42:29.860 --> 00:42:32.840
just woken up. I want to kill something. Like,

00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.159
all right, mate. Mr. I get reborn for the sacrifice

00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.559
of someone important just because I'm a big deal.

00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:44.039
Like, okay, mate, calm down. It's... Again, they

00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.820
are technically protecting them from outsiders,

00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.920
because the outsiders can't invade you if there

00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.980
are no outsiders left to invade you. Yeah, the

00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:55.699
best deterrent is kill everyone. Then they can't

00:42:55.699 --> 00:42:58.840
make any decisions that can hurt us. Brilliant.

00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:04.019
Yeah. The biggest problem they have is a beastman

00:43:04.019 --> 00:43:08.719
named Morger, who usually, the beastman 95 %

00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:13.690
of the time, exists to be murdered. so that Chaos

00:43:13.690 --> 00:43:16.070
can take some early losses in a story without

00:43:16.070 --> 00:43:20.889
actually losing anything. The red shirts of Warhammer.

00:43:21.530 --> 00:43:25.289
Yeah, it is. I mean, you know me, Andy. I'm an

00:43:25.289 --> 00:43:27.650
Eldar fan. I wake up every day and think, God,

00:43:27.690 --> 00:43:31.289
I'm not a Beastman fan. There's being ignored

00:43:31.289 --> 00:43:33.630
by Games Workshop, and then there's held in active

00:43:33.630 --> 00:43:36.969
contempt. Yeah, I was going to say, the contemptuous.

00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.059
GW, anytime they see a Beastman, it's like, don't

00:43:40.059 --> 00:43:42.780
remind us we made these. Like, oh, come on, guys.

00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:46.940
They're kind of cool. No. No Beastman. They like

00:43:46.940 --> 00:43:49.199
to not think about them if they can help it.

00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:53.019
And when they do, it's usually with hate. But

00:43:53.019 --> 00:43:57.800
yeah, there was this Beastman named Morgur. He'd

00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.960
probably be best saved for a Beastman -dedicated

00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.519
episode. But Morgur, or even his own thing, because

00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:06.820
he's... utterly horrifying and made it to age

00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:09.139
of sigmar had his own plot line going before

00:44:09.139 --> 00:44:11.519
they were then taken out of age of sigmar the

00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.679
entire beast infection so who knows where that's

00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.519
going nowadays probably nowhere could you imagine

00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.699
being a beastman fan it's like yeah we're so

00:44:19.699 --> 00:44:22.719
back we're so back and then instantly everything's

00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.900
taken away from you like what you have to rebase

00:44:25.900 --> 00:44:30.940
your entire army again fuck you wow uh but yeah

00:44:30.940 --> 00:44:36.440
this This beastman, his name is Morgur, Master

00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:40.719
of Skulls. The wood elves just call him the Corruptor.

00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.300
I'm trying to think of the best way to put him.

00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:51.340
He's like a walking warp rift. Oh, okay. Bad

00:44:51.340 --> 00:44:53.219
things happen in his wake and it's not even his

00:44:53.219 --> 00:44:57.860
fault. It's just me. Chaos just seeps out of

00:44:57.860 --> 00:45:00.760
him and all around him. Everything, including

00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:05.320
the ground, just corrupts. It's like fleshy and

00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:10.019
nasty and evil and gross. He's a bad egg. Is

00:45:10.019 --> 00:45:12.179
there an equivalent in Warhammer 40k that I can

00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:14.840
think of? Other than like obviously evil characters

00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.440
like the Death Guard who just like plagues follow

00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.320
them. But I can't think of anyone who just like

00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.880
chaos just seeps out of them because they were

00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.519
born bad and they are bad because of that. I

00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:26.880
assume he didn't choose to be bad. He just is.

00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:32.500
He just is. Like he's barely sapient. if he even

00:45:32.500 --> 00:45:35.579
is he's just like a primordial like force of

00:45:35.579 --> 00:45:39.340
chaos oh and to be fair i bet his mom was well

00:45:39.340 --> 00:45:41.340
proud he's like what's your baby called he's

00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:44.940
called the master of skulls oh well that's lovely

00:45:44.940 --> 00:45:47.780
uh i gotta be honest i don't think his mom made

00:45:47.780 --> 00:45:52.159
it through childbirth oh no in fact i think if

00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:53.780
i'm remembering correctly i'd have to double

00:45:53.780 --> 00:45:56.199
check later i think he was born to human parents

00:45:56.199 --> 00:46:01.559
they did not make it very long oh no Warhammer,

00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.219
everyone. You can always find something terrible,

00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:08.800
even in the most innocuous of environments. Oh,

00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.940
lovely baby. Susan? Susan, wake up. Oh no, he's

00:46:13.940 --> 00:46:19.019
warps spilling out of his paws. Yeah, so it's

00:46:19.019 --> 00:46:22.079
bad. Wherever he goes, no one who's seen him

00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:27.579
has lived to report it. He just gives off that

00:46:27.579 --> 00:46:30.559
many bad vibes. He's just like a horseman of

00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:35.360
the apocalypse. He just is. Yeah. Like everyone

00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.579
who sees him goes insane. Again, like I said,

00:46:38.619 --> 00:46:41.940
the land around him gets corrupted. It took everyone

00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:43.539
a while to even figure out what the hell this

00:46:43.539 --> 00:46:47.900
thing is. Ariel eventually figured it out. And

00:46:47.900 --> 00:46:54.280
she went to go deal with him. No mortal could

00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.679
deal with her. So she's like, all right. My husband's...

00:46:58.030 --> 00:47:00.849
Either taking a nap or rampaging through Bretonnia.

00:47:00.889 --> 00:47:05.329
He's busy. I'll do it myself. He's either killing

00:47:05.329 --> 00:47:07.389
the French or having a nap. Either way, he's

00:47:07.389 --> 00:47:12.409
not here. I'll figure it out myself. Yeah. She

00:47:12.409 --> 00:47:14.210
goes to deal with him. And when she finds him,

00:47:14.269 --> 00:47:16.909
admittedly, it isn't really much of a fight.

00:47:17.530 --> 00:47:21.429
Because as much as he's horrid, he's passively

00:47:21.429 --> 00:47:25.389
horrid. And especially at this point, he's kind

00:47:25.389 --> 00:47:29.670
of just this lumpen, misshapen, thing like barely

00:47:29.670 --> 00:47:34.230
even a proper beastman so she she just kind of

00:47:34.230 --> 00:47:37.550
obliterates him uh he's dead like he's gone uh

00:47:37.550 --> 00:47:40.329
like she she was expecting like some powerful

00:47:40.329 --> 00:47:43.469
mage or something you know demon or something

00:47:43.469 --> 00:47:47.670
something truly horrible and she finds like a

00:47:47.670 --> 00:47:52.829
blob she finds a blob so you know she she brings

00:47:52.829 --> 00:47:55.849
down the cleansing flame and Kills it and all

00:47:55.849 --> 00:47:58.110
of the beastmen that were following him around.

00:47:58.590 --> 00:48:01.989
So she just goes home. She's like, well, problem

00:48:01.989 --> 00:48:05.489
solved. Little did she know. Problem not solved.

00:48:06.070 --> 00:48:10.889
Morgur can't really die. Not for long, anyways.

00:48:11.190 --> 00:48:15.030
So he started healing. He's completely insane,

00:48:15.210 --> 00:48:18.150
so he didn't quite understand what he was looking

00:48:18.150 --> 00:48:22.949
at. But he did understand powerful goddess thing.

00:48:23.630 --> 00:48:28.090
I would quite like to eat that. Yummy, he said.

00:48:28.469 --> 00:48:33.989
Yeah. So it got to about two centuries down the

00:48:33.989 --> 00:48:38.429
line. Oh, okay. There's still beastmen. There

00:48:38.429 --> 00:48:41.050
have always been some amount of beastmen in Athel

00:48:41.050 --> 00:48:43.949
Loren. There's even theories that because Athel

00:48:43.949 --> 00:48:47.269
Loren warps time, it might be the same herd of

00:48:47.269 --> 00:48:50.380
beastmen. perpetually trapped in a stage of being

00:48:50.380 --> 00:48:52.500
hunted by the wood elves, just at different points

00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:58.500
of existence. So the presence of these things,

00:48:58.539 --> 00:49:05.000
it's not, it's not that big of a worry. It's,

00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.760
it's, it's really, it's really not. And when

00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.659
their numbers start increasing at first, it's

00:49:09.659 --> 00:49:13.219
like, it's barely even noticeable. Like one day

00:49:13.219 --> 00:49:15.980
you kill 10 beastmen. The next day you kill 11.

00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.559
That's not that much of an increase. That's not

00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.139
too worrying. Maybe one day there's a big herd.

00:49:22.219 --> 00:49:24.719
It would have been like 100. Next day it's 105.

00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:29.679
Again, acceptable variance, right? Like this

00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:33.039
is acceptable numbers for the people who traverse

00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:37.559
the magical forest. They can handle that. Then

00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:43.000
11 becomes 12. 105 becomes 110. Still not quite

00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:47.150
taking note of it. uh slowly though there's more

00:49:47.150 --> 00:49:51.130
and more beastmen every time and now morger is

00:49:51.130 --> 00:49:54.969
here and that that's a lot of thousands and thousands

00:49:54.969 --> 00:49:58.389
of beastmen he brought with him so they they

00:49:58.389 --> 00:50:00.670
didn't understand the beastman's true strength

00:50:00.670 --> 00:50:05.130
compound interest yeah they just over time the

00:50:05.130 --> 00:50:06.789
longer you leave them the more they propagate

00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:11.960
Amazing. Yeah, they were suddenly dealing with

00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:16.219
a lot more, and again, Morgur is back. And his

00:50:16.219 --> 00:50:22.619
passive Ickfield is still in full swing, because

00:50:22.619 --> 00:50:26.780
every now and again, they almost get him. They

00:50:26.780 --> 00:50:30.940
keep almost killing him. And then everyone about

00:50:30.940 --> 00:50:33.340
to strike the finishing blow on him and his army

00:50:33.340 --> 00:50:36.989
goes completely insane. And just starts swinging

00:50:36.989 --> 00:50:40.250
at everything around him. For once in Warhammer.

00:50:40.389 --> 00:50:42.329
It's not always permanent. Like sometimes if

00:50:42.329 --> 00:50:44.349
you can hold them down long enough. They might

00:50:44.349 --> 00:50:47.690
snap back to their senses. Okay. But it means

00:50:47.690 --> 00:50:50.469
that Morgur keeps getting away. He heals up.

00:50:50.570 --> 00:50:55.150
Because he heals alarmingly quickly. And he's

00:50:55.150 --> 00:51:00.449
off. They get in. Eventually they get into one

00:51:00.449 --> 00:51:03.909
final battle. Coedil. He hasn't quite been imprisoned

00:51:03.909 --> 00:51:08.460
yet. He hasn't gone insane yet. He just gives

00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:10.480
up. He's done trying to kill him. He's just like,

00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:14.059
come here. Come here, you. He just grabs him

00:51:14.059 --> 00:51:16.699
and full nelsons him. You're not getting away.

00:51:16.820 --> 00:51:19.360
You're not getting away. I don't care. I do not

00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:24.219
care. Ariel, she readies her Dragon Ball Z attack,

00:51:24.340 --> 00:51:26.280
charging it up. She brings forth not only her

00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:30.400
own power, but that of the forest. And not even

00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.860
Morgur can make it. And he dies here. uh, once

00:51:34.860 --> 00:51:38.360
again, uh, you know, his, his form shattered,

00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:45.579
his spirits dealt away with. And, uh, it's, it's

00:51:45.579 --> 00:51:48.019
still not great though. Uh, cause wherever Morger

00:51:48.019 --> 00:51:52.619
walked through doesn't, doesn't quite heal. Hmm.

00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:55.099
It doesn't quite get as good as it used to be.

00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:57.300
And the place where he died is known as the glade

00:51:57.300 --> 00:52:00.480
of woe. Uh, everyone stays away from it because

00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.219
the forest spirits around there, There might

00:52:04.219 --> 00:52:06.139
be a little bit of chaos, corruption that you

00:52:06.139 --> 00:52:09.599
just can't get away. It's ick. It's bad. You

00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:12.420
can't do anything about it. That's a good name

00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:14.699
for an area. Sometimes Warhammer names just go

00:52:14.699 --> 00:52:16.800
pretty hard. That's pretty good. Glade of Woe

00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.139
is pretty great. They nailed it with that one.

00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:27.900
Yeah, so rough time. After that, I didn't mention

00:52:27.900 --> 00:52:30.800
it earlier, Coedil does his funny treachery thing.

00:52:31.420 --> 00:52:33.659
He struck at the time least expected because

00:52:33.659 --> 00:52:35.900
him and his allies, his tree spirit and sane

00:52:35.900 --> 00:52:37.599
allies, just didn't go to sleep for the winter.

00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:41.760
Ariel did, and she doesn't die. She doesn't have

00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.659
to be reincarnated, but she does still take a

00:52:43.659 --> 00:52:47.119
nap. And with that, Coedil and his allies just

00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.380
kind of started cutting down all the wood elves

00:52:49.380 --> 00:52:56.099
they could find. Oh. While she's sleeping, she's

00:52:56.099 --> 00:53:01.940
like, help me! Snap. Like twigs. Ironically.

00:53:02.219 --> 00:53:03.960
I just like the idea that the wood elves are

00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:05.639
like, wait, they're awake during the winter.

00:53:05.739 --> 00:53:08.480
They're just going, they can do that? Oh god!

00:53:09.260 --> 00:53:13.840
Sounds OP to me. Oh no! My limbs! Yeah, so they

00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.820
killed a whole lot of elves before Ariel woke

00:53:15.820 --> 00:53:18.559
up halfway through her nap and was like, you...

00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:23.690
You are not going to get away with this. So she

00:53:23.690 --> 00:53:27.010
dealt with all of them. She really wanted to

00:53:27.010 --> 00:53:31.409
kill them, but she couldn't, both out of respect

00:53:31.409 --> 00:53:34.130
for the not totally insane trees and more so

00:53:34.130 --> 00:53:37.530
because Coedil is part of the forest. Ariel is

00:53:37.530 --> 00:53:39.710
part of the forest. She kills part of the forest.

00:53:39.769 --> 00:53:44.309
She kills part of herself. So she just banishes

00:53:44.309 --> 00:53:45.829
them to the Glade of Woe. It's like, you know

00:53:45.829 --> 00:53:50.650
what? You can go sit there. Fine. You're in timeout,

00:53:50.690 --> 00:53:55.210
she said. Yeah. In the ickiest part of the forest,

00:53:55.269 --> 00:53:57.349
other than that chaos patch, which is also bad.

00:53:59.090 --> 00:54:03.010
Actually, it's a similar... Their specific part

00:54:03.010 --> 00:54:04.949
is called the Wildwood. It's another place the

00:54:04.949 --> 00:54:08.849
elves just don't go. They locked it. They built

00:54:08.849 --> 00:54:12.170
a bunch of magical waystones. Like, you stay.

00:54:14.590 --> 00:54:19.469
So, yeah. Cobadil hasn't done anything ever since

00:54:19.469 --> 00:54:21.849
then, but any elves who go in get slain by his

00:54:21.849 --> 00:54:25.510
dryad handmaidens, so the elves tend to not go

00:54:25.510 --> 00:54:33.869
there. Yeah. They're trees, right? It would kind

00:54:33.869 --> 00:54:36.909
of go on from there to be much like trees. They'd

00:54:36.909 --> 00:54:41.230
have seasons of rebirth, seasons of kind of bad

00:54:41.230 --> 00:54:44.530
times, like spring goes to winter and all that

00:54:44.530 --> 00:54:48.380
stuff. things are good. They eventually get a

00:54:48.380 --> 00:54:54.420
semi -unspoken alliance with Bretonnia. It's

00:54:54.420 --> 00:54:57.179
a lot more manipulative on the part of the wood

00:54:57.179 --> 00:54:59.099
elves, but every now and then some wood elves

00:54:59.099 --> 00:55:02.219
and maybe even a forest spirit will, within the

00:55:02.219 --> 00:55:04.780
years of the king, guide them on policies and

00:55:04.780 --> 00:55:10.440
whatnot. Orion, for his part, sometimes tries

00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:13.940
to limit the damage of the wild hunt against

00:55:13.940 --> 00:55:18.260
Bretonnia. Sometimes. When he feels like it.

00:55:19.070 --> 00:55:21.349
You were saying, well, they just watch them go

00:55:21.349 --> 00:55:23.050
through all this trouble. And I like the idea

00:55:23.050 --> 00:55:25.550
that after a while, they just felt bad. They're

00:55:25.550 --> 00:55:27.469
like, oh, these peasants. They keep dying in

00:55:27.469 --> 00:55:29.949
the most stupid way. Can we give them, like,

00:55:29.969 --> 00:55:32.210
can we help them out a little? It's sad. They're

00:55:32.210 --> 00:55:35.969
so stupid. Okay, we'll help them a bit. They're

00:55:35.969 --> 00:55:39.170
backward and they're superstitious. Oh, they

00:55:39.170 --> 00:55:42.070
keep eating poisonous mushrooms. Idiot. Okay,

00:55:42.349 --> 00:55:46.110
fine. We'll help them a bit because I feel bad.

00:55:47.030 --> 00:55:53.110
Poor Bretonians. Yeah. Once again, Morgur comes

00:55:53.110 --> 00:55:57.769
back. Again? It is a nonstop thing they have

00:55:57.769 --> 00:56:01.309
to deal with him. And at one point, Ariel just

00:56:01.309 --> 00:56:14.889
really tries to kill him permanently. Doesn't

00:56:14.889 --> 00:56:17.630
go well. She kind of gets corrupted with dark

00:56:17.630 --> 00:56:22.130
magic. Not helping this is that part of the way

00:56:22.130 --> 00:56:27.610
she learned a way to properly deal with him is

00:56:27.610 --> 00:56:34.489
that long ago, Ariel had a sister. That sister

00:56:34.489 --> 00:56:42.409
was Malekith's wife. Oh. So she eventually learned

00:56:42.409 --> 00:56:49.320
about all that. So his her aerial sister, who's

00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.280
named Alessara, was was allowed to was allowed

00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:55.360
to go be with her husband again. You know, she

00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:58.099
she felt bad, you know, because her sister was,

00:56:58.159 --> 00:56:59.739
you know, she was in the foot with the wood elves.

00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:02.659
But she was like, well, maybe if I was around,

00:57:02.780 --> 00:57:06.619
maybe she could have fixed him. I can fix him,

00:57:06.739 --> 00:57:16.210
she said. Yeah. And. Fair enough. She might have

00:57:16.210 --> 00:57:20.150
been able to. Especially early on. Malekith was

00:57:20.150 --> 00:57:22.230
sometimes... He had a lot of depressive episodes

00:57:22.230 --> 00:57:26.730
where he'd think about how far he'd fallen and

00:57:26.730 --> 00:57:29.650
he'd just lock himself in his tower. He's not

00:57:29.650 --> 00:57:36.429
coming out. Marathi, however, does not want her

00:57:36.429 --> 00:57:38.809
son to go back to the light side. Does not want

00:57:38.809 --> 00:57:41.469
Darth Vader... Dark Elf Darth Vader to become

00:57:41.469 --> 00:57:51.159
Dark Elf Anakin once again. And so on her way

00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:53.699
to kind of be remarried or renew their vows,

00:57:53.780 --> 00:57:59.619
however you want to put it, she had a good escort,

00:57:59.940 --> 00:58:06.300
good army. That army was a disgraced elven lord.

00:58:07.380 --> 00:58:10.440
It was not like a disgrace. He was kind of like,

00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:12.619
you know, he was socially disgraced, but he wasn't

00:58:12.619 --> 00:58:15.590
kicked out of Ulthuan. What she did do to him,

00:58:15.610 --> 00:58:18.570
however, was charm him and make him think that

00:58:18.570 --> 00:58:22.610
her wedding escort was an army of Naggaroth Corsairs.

00:58:23.269 --> 00:58:30.789
Okay. So he got an army and attacked Alessara's

00:58:30.789 --> 00:58:35.369
wedding party. The Red Wedding before it was

00:58:35.369 --> 00:58:39.389
in Game of Thrones. Amazing. Alessara, she's

00:58:39.389 --> 00:58:44.480
still the Wood Elf Mage, so she's like... I know

00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.960
he's not thinking straight. I can sense the enchantment.

00:58:47.019 --> 00:58:52.079
I want to free him. It didn't quite work. So

00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:56.440
he stabs her through the heart. Then does the

00:58:56.440 --> 00:59:02.760
counter spell go in? And he realized what he

00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:05.659
did. Threw himself off a cliff. This high elf

00:59:05.659 --> 00:59:13.980
lord. Don't matter. He's dead. She's dead. Malekith's

00:59:13.980 --> 00:59:17.719
wife's dead. Everyone's dead and Morathi is cackling.

00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:24.860
Morathi is having a great time. Ariel, for her

00:59:24.860 --> 00:59:29.440
part, is like, no. That was my sister, you bitch.

00:59:32.260 --> 00:59:37.289
Cat fight! Said all the members of the court.

00:59:37.449 --> 00:59:41.309
The first target wasn't even Marathi, unfortunately.

00:59:41.489 --> 00:59:45.530
It was pretty much everyone remotely related

00:59:45.530 --> 00:59:48.369
to that high elf prince that did unfortunately

00:59:48.369 --> 00:59:54.369
end up killing the lady. Because the wild hunts,

00:59:54.369 --> 00:59:56.849
the target this time was Ulthuan, so they went

00:59:56.849 --> 00:59:58.610
to one of its provinces and just kind of started

00:59:58.610 --> 01:00:07.840
burning it to the ground. Malekith, for his part,

01:00:07.940 --> 01:00:11.440
he also learned of his mom killing his wife.

01:00:13.380 --> 01:00:16.460
Publicly, he forgave her for political reasons.

01:00:17.579 --> 01:00:21.739
Secretly, he kind of went to the wood elves and

01:00:21.739 --> 01:00:28.420
was like, hey. Or no. He didn't quite go to the

01:00:28.420 --> 01:00:31.380
wood elves, but when they eventually carved their

01:00:31.380 --> 01:00:35.599
way to Naggaroth, He was like, did any reinforce

01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:37.239
an armies that would go help Marathi? He was

01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:41.079
like, hey, why don't you hang back? No, don't

01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:42.679
worry about helping. You don't need to get involved.

01:00:42.980 --> 01:00:46.460
Just chill. Don't worry about it. It's the only

01:00:46.460 --> 01:00:51.079
way she'll learn. Stop killing my betrothed.

01:00:51.219 --> 01:01:01.320
Yeah. She gets to Marathi and she could have

01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:03.980
killed Marathi, but for both, you know. Narrative

01:01:03.980 --> 01:01:10.360
reasons and bribery reasons. Orion was ready

01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:13.500
to kill her. She, you know, she falls to her

01:01:13.500 --> 01:01:23.360
knees and starts begging. But. She. Ariel holds

01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:28.760
back. Marathi promised her some. Some sorceries.

01:01:29.139 --> 01:01:31.800
A little bit of dark sorceries. They're definitely

01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:35.940
not. Not the nice wood elf, wood life kind of

01:01:35.940 --> 01:01:40.300
sorceries. But, you know, Ariel was like, I might

01:01:40.300 --> 01:01:44.920
need these. I might need these. The spells are

01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:47.800
inscribed in a book made of someone's skin. Probably.

01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:51.059
It was well, decent odds on whose skin it was.

01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.679
Could have been anyone's. It's Dorothy. Yeah.

01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:58.599
So. She, of course, doesn't give up her greatest

01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:00.760
of secrets, but, you know, if she's got to give

01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:02.679
up a little bit to ensure she doesn't get murdered

01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:04.760
by the two gods standing in front of her, so

01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:09.920
be it. And she teaches Ariel some dark magic,

01:02:10.099 --> 01:02:14.260
which kind of does bad things to the forest,

01:02:14.420 --> 01:02:18.139
because Ariel's part of it manifested, and when

01:02:18.139 --> 01:02:21.739
she starts going crazy with dark magic, it kind

01:02:21.739 --> 01:02:25.079
of trickles down to the rest of the forest. Is

01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.320
that because she's part of the forest, kind of

01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:29.880
like the big tree? Yeah, she's part of the big

01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:31.900
tree. The big tree is part of the forest. All

01:02:31.900 --> 01:02:33.800
the wood elves and spirits are part of the forest.

01:02:35.260 --> 01:02:39.199
So everyone kind of starts going just completely

01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:43.800
insane. And it goes from like anyone invading

01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:46.880
Athel Loren, you know, they take the wood elves

01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:51.039
defend themselves to you were within 1000 miles

01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:54.730
of a path we once looked at. I'm murdering you

01:02:54.730 --> 01:02:57.150
and your family and then dancing in the entrails.

01:02:57.650 --> 01:03:01.349
If your five -year -old daughter picked a flower

01:03:01.349 --> 01:03:03.809
from any of the gardens we've been cultivating

01:03:03.809 --> 01:03:06.329
because she thought it looked pretty, woe be

01:03:06.329 --> 01:03:09.849
your entire family. We are going to kill you

01:03:09.849 --> 01:03:12.909
all. Like, wow, okay. She just thought it was

01:03:12.909 --> 01:03:15.010
a cute dandelion. What's going on? What's going

01:03:15.010 --> 01:03:18.250
on, buddy? Bit of an extreme reaction, gotta

01:03:18.250 --> 01:03:27.179
say. Yeah. Everyone nearby Bretonnia just starts

01:03:27.179 --> 01:03:29.480
getting obliterated. Pretty much the only two

01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.800
people that are sane are Durthu and Adonhu. Everyone

01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:40.000
else has gone nuts. Bretonnia's getting burned

01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.420
down, dwarf caravans are getting obliterated,

01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:46.880
and holds are being slaughtered. And Ariel the

01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:49.039
whole time is helping out her underlings with

01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:51.639
dark magic, which little does she know is making

01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:54.949
things worse. And she uses more dark magic because

01:03:54.949 --> 01:03:57.309
she gets a little bit more insane. Which makes

01:03:57.309 --> 01:03:59.530
her go more insane. So she uses more dark magic

01:03:59.530 --> 01:04:03.230
on and on and on. Morgur's back also. That's

01:04:03.230 --> 01:04:06.369
not helping. He's just there being a problem

01:04:06.369 --> 01:04:10.449
again. And he doesn't even know. This time, her

01:04:10.449 --> 01:04:14.550
plan is to eat him. Because she's fully lost

01:04:14.550 --> 01:04:17.829
in the sauce. And she even has a bunch of her

01:04:17.829 --> 01:04:21.070
spell singers, what elf mages are called, bind

01:04:21.070 --> 01:04:24.329
him. and bring him back to the Oak of Ages, which

01:04:24.329 --> 01:04:28.449
is surely a wood elf heresy if I've ever heard

01:04:28.449 --> 01:04:32.349
of one. Where at this point, like, Durthu looks

01:04:32.349 --> 01:04:34.610
and is like, no. No, this is not happening. We're

01:04:34.610 --> 01:04:39.250
done here. And he kills Morgur. She's not happy.

01:04:41.489 --> 01:04:45.869
And, yeah. This whole time, Orion was not allowed

01:04:45.869 --> 01:04:48.630
to be reborn, so he died one winter, as he always

01:04:48.630 --> 01:04:53.340
does, and she didn't let him come back. At one

01:04:53.340 --> 01:04:56.539
point, the Phoenix King, the guy in charge of

01:04:56.539 --> 01:04:58.320
Ulthuan, he sent some emissaries. He's like,

01:04:58.420 --> 01:05:01.780
I know we've got a rough history. I know our

01:05:01.780 --> 01:05:06.179
ancestors kind of abandoned you. I'd like to

01:05:06.179 --> 01:05:08.500
make some amends. Let's open up some diplomatic

01:05:08.500 --> 01:05:11.920
ties, right? Let's get some conversations going.

01:05:12.500 --> 01:05:15.000
And then she trapped him within the unseen paths

01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:17.980
of the forest. Just threw him in the middle of

01:05:17.980 --> 01:05:19.940
nowhere and had it shift around them forever.

01:05:20.670 --> 01:05:24.489
Oh, that's not going to help diplomatic relations,

01:05:24.809 --> 01:05:27.590
is it? Like, wow. I cast you into the Neverrealm.

01:05:27.590 --> 01:05:32.829
Wow, thanks. They did eventually get out into

01:05:32.829 --> 01:05:37.010
an army of Bretonnians who didn't quite understand

01:05:37.010 --> 01:05:40.170
the difference between the elves and... And another

01:05:40.170 --> 01:05:42.650
elf. Yeah, and just thought, elves have been

01:05:42.650 --> 01:05:46.730
burning down our homes. These are elves. You're

01:05:46.730 --> 01:05:50.230
telling me the ignorant, superstitious peasant

01:05:50.230 --> 01:05:53.809
people couldn't distinguish between two different

01:05:53.809 --> 01:05:56.449
things that were kind of similar? Believe it

01:05:56.449 --> 01:06:10.030
or not, no, they couldn't. Wow. Yeah. Eventually,

01:06:11.630 --> 01:06:14.829
like... Adenhu, Durthu, and all of the remaining

01:06:14.829 --> 01:06:18.449
sane trees where it's like, we can't let this

01:06:18.449 --> 01:06:24.289
happen. I can feel the forest dying now. So they

01:06:24.289 --> 01:06:31.369
go to try and talk to Ariel, right? You ever

01:06:31.369 --> 01:06:36.190
see the DC animated shows, Hawkgirl, or the DC

01:06:36.190 --> 01:06:38.869
Mortal Kombat or whatever crossovers, like Injustice,

01:06:38.869 --> 01:06:43.039
where Hawkgirl, she just screams. I think I've

01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:49.960
seen photos, yeah. Ariel does that. Summons all

01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:53.039
of the wood elves and crazy spirits to her. And

01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:58.260
now it's a fight. A Dan who, in some... Because

01:06:58.260 --> 01:07:01.619
remember, the forest is all connected. Draws

01:07:01.619 --> 01:07:03.940
the darkness in Ariel's heart into her, because

01:07:03.940 --> 01:07:06.000
these are still elves. We gotta have some magical

01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:08.840
nonsense every now and again. Which kills him,

01:07:08.940 --> 01:07:13.550
but frees Ariel of the taint. And she goes to

01:07:13.550 --> 01:07:17.070
hide in the Oak of Ages. Literally great Deku

01:07:17.070 --> 01:07:20.590
trees. He gets like the evil inside me, but I

01:07:20.590 --> 01:07:24.449
must go link, go forth, go forth and save Hyrule.

01:07:24.650 --> 01:07:28.130
Yeah. The big tree, which is incidentally cut

01:07:28.130 --> 01:07:31.409
down the remaining big tree Lords to just Durthu.

01:07:31.969 --> 01:07:36.070
Oh, who has never really been able to process

01:07:36.070 --> 01:07:46.329
his PTSD. eventually you know things kind of

01:07:46.329 --> 01:07:49.349
get a little bit better uh the forest heals they

01:07:49.349 --> 01:07:52.469
stop going completely insane uh the wood elves

01:07:52.469 --> 01:07:57.250
kind of a way to make up for like the many manslaughter

01:07:57.250 --> 01:08:00.030
that's not man the many murders they had committed

01:08:00.030 --> 01:08:03.210
during this time uh they would they they started

01:08:03.210 --> 01:08:06.090
kind of helping out uh even even helping out

01:08:06.090 --> 01:08:09.320
dwarves sometimes A dwarf army would find itself

01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:12.039
about to be slaughtered by orcs. Suddenly the

01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:14.659
forest is alive and filled with hate, but for

01:08:14.659 --> 01:08:18.399
the orcs. And then they just leave. They're still

01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:21.060
wood elves. They're insane and they tell no one

01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:25.000
what they're doing. Or if what another person

01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.699
is doing is harmful to the forest. So they kind

01:08:28.699 --> 01:08:30.460
of enter the holding pattern they were in by

01:08:30.460 --> 01:08:36.250
modern Warhammer fantasy. The wood elves, they

01:08:36.250 --> 01:08:38.210
want to save, they call it the weave, which is

01:08:38.210 --> 01:08:41.229
like all the, the, the, the feng shui of magic

01:08:41.229 --> 01:08:44.289
in nature. Okay. But again, they don't tell you

01:08:44.289 --> 01:08:47.229
they're doing this. So one day they save your

01:08:47.229 --> 01:08:49.550
life from like a, a horde of beast men. They

01:08:49.550 --> 01:08:52.970
just ask for nothing in return. They just kill

01:08:52.970 --> 01:08:55.409
the beast men and leave. They actually, they

01:08:55.409 --> 01:08:57.750
did that for Carl France. He was almost killed

01:08:57.750 --> 01:09:00.590
by a beast man around the time he was born until

01:09:00.590 --> 01:09:02.310
some wood elves saved him because they sensed

01:09:02.310 --> 01:09:04.250
he would be go, go on to become the greatest

01:09:04.250 --> 01:09:10.760
emperor. On the flip side, you built that mining

01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:13.460
tunnel a little bit too close to Athel Loren,

01:09:13.619 --> 01:09:17.359
so we've poisoned your water supply. Oi, dwarfs,

01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:20.159
is that a high -speed rail I see infringing on

01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:23.239
our continent? Oh, you're going to get it. Yeah,

01:09:23.340 --> 01:09:26.579
it's not ideal. You didn't ask us for planning

01:09:26.579 --> 01:09:29.340
permission. Time to die. They're helping at least

01:09:29.340 --> 01:09:31.560
as long as they're hurting, but they're not telling

01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:35.260
anyone. why they're helping or how to help themselves.

01:09:36.539 --> 01:09:43.239
So they just kind of keep killing people. Ariel,

01:09:46.220 --> 01:09:49.720
she's still meditating deep in this time. Orion

01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:54.140
was allowed to come back and do things, but Ariel's

01:09:54.140 --> 01:09:56.180
still kind of hiding away. He's out of the doghouse

01:09:56.180 --> 01:09:58.880
after being like, babes, you're going to revive

01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:02.640
me, babes. Yeah. Babes, years pass. What the

01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:04.539
hell was that about? I've been asleep for years.

01:10:05.100 --> 01:10:09.560
Sorry, I went a bit evil. My bad. Eventually,

01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.159
Ariel, she's gone, but she gets herself some

01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:17.619
emissaries, twins named Nyestra and Arahan. They

01:10:17.619 --> 01:10:21.119
were in a Total War DLC. These twins at one point

01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:28.920
fuse into one being. Well... Eh. I reversed it.

01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:34.699
They were one being who walked into one of the

01:10:34.699 --> 01:10:37.840
particularly magical parts of Athel Loren and

01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:42.600
then came out as Nyestra and Arahan. Oh, they

01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:47.659
blew horrid. Nice. Yeah. They, you know, they're

01:10:47.659 --> 01:10:50.020
never seen apart. They finish each other's sentences.

01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.520
Oh, those twins. They're those kind of twins.

01:10:54.100 --> 01:10:58.829
One of them, you know, is... Nystra, she's noble,

01:10:58.989 --> 01:11:01.250
she's kind, she's a My Little Pony character.

01:11:01.930 --> 01:11:07.770
Abhors violence. Very nice. Very kind. Arahan

01:11:07.770 --> 01:11:16.069
is Engron if he was a wood elf. I just like the

01:11:16.069 --> 01:11:19.579
idea of her like... I was just like, are we going

01:11:19.579 --> 01:11:21.560
to go pick? Shall we go pick some flowers today?

01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:22.920
I'm sure there's some pure wars. And then it

01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:26.020
was like, and that's like their dynamic. Yeah.

01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:28.520
Just like with a leash, like, come on, dear.

01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:31.439
And that's kind of their, how they interact.

01:11:31.899 --> 01:11:35.239
Now, Andy, I want, I want you, I want you to

01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:39.100
take a guess. What event could possibly bring

01:11:39.100 --> 01:11:45.800
Ariel back to the world? I want, where's the

01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:49.270
thing? Part of me is saying, like, the end times,

01:11:49.390 --> 01:11:52.310
but, like... Nope. Too early. Skaven? Skaven?

01:11:52.590 --> 01:11:55.710
Not Skaven. Not Skaven. You're getting close,

01:11:55.770 --> 01:11:58.310
because this thing also ruins everything it touches.

01:11:59.189 --> 01:12:05.130
Nagash? Nope. You're getting colder. Morgur's

01:12:05.130 --> 01:12:09.069
back. Oh, again? I wasn't even thinking of him.

01:12:09.189 --> 01:12:11.210
I was like, oh, surely the Skaven's gonna cause...

01:12:11.210 --> 01:12:14.869
No, it's this guy. This guy just... Doesn't know

01:12:14.869 --> 01:12:18.329
when to quit, the guy. Wow. Okay. He's back.

01:12:18.829 --> 01:12:21.289
He's kind of just become a permanent thing that

01:12:21.289 --> 01:12:26.670
Ariel's going to have to deal with. Like, to

01:12:26.670 --> 01:12:29.409
the point they're kind of even linked. And sometimes

01:12:29.409 --> 01:12:32.630
he'd call out to her in the darkness. Which,

01:12:32.689 --> 01:12:39.289
horrifying and annoying. He's the Joker to her

01:12:39.289 --> 01:12:41.609
Batman, basically. You can't have one without

01:12:41.609 --> 01:12:47.289
the other. Yeah. And again, sometimes Orion gets

01:12:47.289 --> 01:12:50.329
involved if it coincides with the wild hunt in

01:12:50.329 --> 01:12:56.489
one of those deaths. He was... Orion did a lot

01:12:56.489 --> 01:13:00.289
of the damage as the rest of the army surrounded

01:13:00.289 --> 01:13:02.689
him and riddled him with arrows and Orion killed

01:13:02.689 --> 01:13:06.699
him. It just, it keeps happening. It keeps happening.

01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:12.220
But bright side, Ariel's back. Orion's around

01:13:12.220 --> 01:13:15.500
right now. Husband and wife are reunited. The

01:13:15.500 --> 01:13:19.140
wood elves are kind of whole again. It should

01:13:19.140 --> 01:13:23.739
be noted. Whole is still that holding pattern

01:13:23.739 --> 01:13:26.199
of they will help you without saying anything.

01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.140
And then they will kill you without saying anything.

01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:30.979
And you do not get to know why or what's going

01:13:30.979 --> 01:13:34.840
on. You just have to accept it. There are no

01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:37.199
diplomats. There are no MSOs. Like, just guess.

01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:40.939
Just on their board is like, can I stand here?

01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:44.800
Raises by an arrow, takes a step back. And she's

01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:47.239
like, okay, this is the boundary. Okay, I'll

01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:54.600
guess then. Not very helpful. Yeah, they... So

01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:56.859
the wood elves, kind of for some more general

01:13:56.859 --> 01:14:00.119
stuff, will end with their end times because

01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:04.500
I... They have, like, you know, a lot of the

01:14:04.500 --> 01:14:07.739
times they live in, like, small little nomadic,

01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:11.420
semi -nomadic groups because they are wood elves.

01:14:11.500 --> 01:14:15.000
They are forest hippies. They, you know, moving

01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:17.539
around Athel Loren, helping out the trees as

01:14:17.539 --> 01:14:20.239
they go, making friends with the trees that are

01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:30.470
slightly less omnicidal. They do have some more,

01:14:30.510 --> 01:14:32.409
like, you know, permanent areas, right? Like

01:14:32.409 --> 01:14:34.810
there's, fittingly, the ones that are settlements

01:14:34.810 --> 01:14:38.329
in Total War, most notably. Tolson, there's a

01:14:38.329 --> 01:14:40.210
place called King Glades, and that's where the

01:14:40.210 --> 01:14:42.909
Oak of Ages is. It's where, you know, Orion holds

01:14:42.909 --> 01:14:45.470
his court when he's around and sleeps when he's

01:14:45.470 --> 01:14:48.630
not. I guess he kind of dies. Where his corpse

01:14:48.630 --> 01:14:52.930
waits to be brought back. Where he's interred.

01:14:53.569 --> 01:14:59.340
Yeah. There's Ark... Dredanon would probably

01:14:59.340 --> 01:15:04.819
be great for saying these names. Argwilon, where,

01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:07.239
you know, that's where there's a whole lot of

01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:10.420
tree spirits. There's a place called the Anvil

01:15:10.420 --> 01:15:14.899
of Vol, because both every high elf or every

01:15:14.899 --> 01:15:17.199
elf faction has a place called the Anvil of Vol,

01:15:17.460 --> 01:15:22.579
where an elf named Daith, who turns out to be

01:15:22.579 --> 01:15:26.819
Vol reincarnated, makes some great weapons with

01:15:26.819 --> 01:15:32.149
the I don't know, whatever's around them, really.

01:15:33.390 --> 01:15:37.829
Berries? Branches? And a bit of a stone, I guess?

01:15:37.869 --> 01:15:40.569
They use metal sometimes. Not often, but maybe

01:15:40.569 --> 01:15:47.449
they can. Yeah, okay. They're a lot more fey

01:15:47.449 --> 01:15:50.670
than, like, any other elves. And I mean, like,

01:15:50.729 --> 01:15:55.649
medieval stories of the fey, where they randomly

01:15:55.649 --> 01:15:57.789
gift you all the gold you could ever want and

01:15:57.789 --> 01:16:03.600
then steal your first boar. They'll help. They'll

01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:07.479
harm. No reasons are ever given by this. One

01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:11.060
day, they invite you in for a great feast, and

01:16:11.060 --> 01:16:14.000
then they feed you. It's a great time. You're

01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:17.899
allowed to leave. One day, they invite you in

01:16:17.899 --> 01:16:20.399
for a great feast. They feed you. It's a great

01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:23.479
time. And they were fattening you up for a forest

01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:28.760
spirit and sacrifice you. Those cheeky elves.

01:16:30.250 --> 01:16:33.329
Kind of reminds me of the Fae from Kingdoms of

01:16:33.329 --> 01:16:35.670
Amalur. That was a strange game. I never played

01:16:35.670 --> 01:16:38.770
it. They're kind of alien. And the annoying thing

01:16:38.770 --> 01:16:42.750
about that game, like 90 % of the game is in

01:16:42.750 --> 01:16:46.829
like green Fae nature -y areas. And the only

01:16:46.829 --> 01:16:48.890
time you get to like the snowy area is the very

01:16:48.890 --> 01:16:50.989
end of the game. And you just kind of charge

01:16:50.989 --> 01:16:52.890
through it. And you're like, oh, there's not

01:16:52.890 --> 01:16:54.890
much variety. There's just a lot of trees going

01:16:54.890 --> 01:16:57.470
on. And they're very strange. You do missions.

01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:00.460
And you try to help them out to prevent the end

01:17:00.460 --> 01:17:03.399
time sort of thing. And they're just very odd.

01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:05.600
And no one quite knows what they're about. But

01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:08.600
it's an interesting trope, I suppose, for the

01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:14.420
Fae. Yeah. There's a lot of the duality. They'll

01:17:14.420 --> 01:17:16.779
help, they'll hurt. They're at the same time

01:17:16.779 --> 01:17:19.939
incredibly arrogant. And they think they're the

01:17:19.939 --> 01:17:24.619
only true, proper elves left. The High Elves

01:17:24.619 --> 01:17:28.810
are, ironically. too full of themselves and overbearing.

01:17:29.510 --> 01:17:31.890
Of course, then they look at the dark elves and

01:17:31.890 --> 01:17:33.869
go, yeah, you deserve every hand you've been

01:17:33.869 --> 01:17:38.250
dealt in life for being the worst. Not a wrong

01:17:38.250 --> 01:17:47.170
statement. And if they could help it, they would

01:17:47.170 --> 01:17:50.390
love to just not do anything and never leave

01:17:50.390 --> 01:17:52.210
the forest, except for when the wild hunt happens

01:17:52.210 --> 01:17:56.970
and it's time to kill random things. Unfortunately,

01:17:56.970 --> 01:18:00.050
we come to the modern era of Warhammer fantasy.

01:18:00.890 --> 01:18:02.810
They've had to go out marching more and more.

01:18:03.310 --> 01:18:06.449
Even before the end times were a thing, it's

01:18:06.449 --> 01:18:08.449
modern Warhammer fantasy. This is the setting

01:18:08.449 --> 01:18:10.890
it takes place. Everyone's got to have a reason

01:18:10.890 --> 01:18:14.069
to fight. All the prophets and seers were like,

01:18:14.130 --> 01:18:16.909
something big's coming. If we don't get out there,

01:18:17.090 --> 01:18:22.350
it's going to be bad. That being said, they do

01:18:22.350 --> 01:18:24.890
still... hate leaving the forest if they can

01:18:24.890 --> 01:18:32.909
help it. They have the shared elf religion, right?

01:18:33.069 --> 01:18:36.270
All the elves worship the same pantheon. Different

01:18:36.270 --> 01:18:38.489
aspects of it for each race. And of course, in

01:18:38.489 --> 01:18:41.090
the wood elves, it's not Assyrian or Cain at

01:18:41.090 --> 01:18:43.130
top. It's Kurnos and Isha. They're the nature

01:18:43.130 --> 01:18:48.350
gods. But under them, they don't really differentiate

01:18:48.350 --> 01:18:50.649
between the good and evil halves of the pantheon.

01:18:51.949 --> 01:18:56.649
They'll worship Lilith, who's the kind, the friendly

01:18:56.649 --> 01:18:59.970
little sister who sees the future. She's nice.

01:19:00.050 --> 01:19:02.449
They'll worship her when they're feeling compassionate.

01:19:02.970 --> 01:19:05.149
Sometimes they worship Cain because it's time

01:19:05.149 --> 01:19:09.810
to murder. It just is what it is. There's Kurnos

01:19:09.810 --> 01:19:11.810
and Isha, and then there's everyone else as far

01:19:11.810 --> 01:19:15.210
as they're concerned. Yeah, and Kurnos and Isha

01:19:15.210 --> 01:19:19.609
are in 40k as the ones who Cain really doesn't

01:19:19.609 --> 01:19:22.300
like. like for betraying him. So does that cross

01:19:22.300 --> 01:19:24.840
over into the fantasy lore, or are they kind

01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:31.979
of a different thing? He doesn't like them very

01:19:31.979 --> 01:19:34.960
much. It's not quite the same as 40k, because

01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:37.520
there was never that prophecy where the elves

01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:39.460
were going to get him killed, so he started killing

01:19:39.460 --> 01:19:43.779
every elf ever. Yeah. There's no spirit stones

01:19:43.779 --> 01:19:47.680
and tears of Isha, so like, eh. Yeah, at least

01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:49.520
not in the same capacity. Like, they're kind

01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:52.439
of there, but they're... In fantasy, they're

01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:55.399
more like glorified GPS to help you find a waystone.

01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:00.500
Okay. It's not as significant. Like, they don't

01:20:00.500 --> 01:20:02.619
like each other, but it's not quite as hateful

01:20:02.619 --> 01:20:05.619
as it is. I do think Kane still chained Vaal

01:20:05.619 --> 01:20:08.279
to his anvil, though, in fantasy. Because, of

01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:11.609
course, he did. Yeah, poor fella. And the thing

01:20:11.609 --> 01:20:13.670
was in 40k, it's like, I'm going to chain you

01:20:13.670 --> 01:20:15.689
to the anvil while you can hear the screams of

01:20:15.689 --> 01:20:19.189
Isha and Kurnas while I torture them below your

01:20:19.189 --> 01:20:24.090
forge. Like, thanks, Cain. Swell guy. He's not

01:20:24.090 --> 01:20:26.989
doing that, at least. Yeah, he's a bit better.

01:20:27.510 --> 01:20:34.470
Not much. Not much, no. Also, I've said they're

01:20:34.470 --> 01:20:37.750
insane a couple of times. Their language, right?

01:20:38.430 --> 01:20:41.909
Right. like the normal high elf language is all

01:20:41.909 --> 01:20:44.670
about duality. Like for example, I, there's a,

01:20:44.670 --> 01:20:47.630
there's a symbol I got from the, like the high

01:20:47.630 --> 01:20:50.970
elf lexicon. That means I painted on my Eldar.

01:20:51.310 --> 01:20:55.970
It means the, like a gentle storm and also scouring

01:20:55.970 --> 01:20:58.810
rain. Like a lot, a lot of the language is like

01:20:58.810 --> 01:21:02.869
that. The widow of language is like that. But

01:21:02.869 --> 01:21:07.090
also it might change based on what day you say

01:21:07.090 --> 01:21:10.180
the word. Uh, they might not even know what they

01:21:10.180 --> 01:21:12.180
intend to do until the words have finished leaving

01:21:12.180 --> 01:21:15.399
their mouth. It's, it's, it's like that. It's

01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:18.180
completely insane. Like it is madman logic. There

01:21:18.180 --> 01:21:20.500
is logic to it, but this is just madman logic.

01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:24.000
Uh, like they might help you like they may offer

01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:27.260
you and genuinely mean it just complete assistance.

01:21:27.500 --> 01:21:30.000
No holds barred. It sounds like a death threat.

01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:33.979
And of course, vice versa. They may, you know,

01:21:34.300 --> 01:21:36.239
You might hear the nicest sentence from a wood

01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:38.260
elf you've ever heard. It brightens your day.

01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:40.420
You've been feeling down, but you know what?

01:21:40.659 --> 01:21:42.579
Those words were all you needed to hear, and

01:21:42.579 --> 01:21:45.039
it came from a magical forest being. You're feeling

01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:48.380
great. It was a promise to cut you in two quarters

01:21:48.380 --> 01:21:52.760
and feed you to a tree. Wow. And that's not intentional.

01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:54.800
That's not them being like, hey, we're going

01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:56.920
to feed off the ignorance of others by like,

01:21:57.020 --> 01:21:59.270
oh, it sounds nice and pleasant. when it's a

01:21:59.270 --> 01:22:01.729
threat, but it sounds bad when it's aid. So it's

01:22:01.729 --> 01:22:03.909
like, no, they talk to each other like that too.

01:22:03.989 --> 01:22:08.229
They are just actually like that. That's just

01:22:08.229 --> 01:22:10.329
what they're like. That's that chaos influence.

01:22:10.409 --> 01:22:14.109
I'm sure. Chaos influence and the forest. Cause

01:22:14.109 --> 01:22:16.409
if you remember back to the start, the demons

01:22:16.409 --> 01:22:19.670
made note that those tree spirits are not that

01:22:19.670 --> 01:22:24.210
different from us. Hmm. It's not kind of like

01:22:24.210 --> 01:22:27.090
the, the thing in 40 K where some. creatures

01:22:27.090 --> 01:22:29.229
and entities in the warp aren't malevolent they're

01:22:29.229 --> 01:22:31.890
just like they exist but they just don't exist

01:22:31.890 --> 01:22:34.569
in very big numbers because there's so much negative

01:22:34.569 --> 01:22:37.529
energy that like humans create in day -to -day

01:22:37.529 --> 01:22:40.630
life they exist but they're not evil they're

01:22:40.630 --> 01:22:42.609
just warp entities but these guys are like oh

01:22:42.609 --> 01:22:46.510
cut from the same cloth we're not evil that doesn't

01:22:46.510 --> 01:22:49.149
necessarily mean we're good and they are an old

01:22:49.149 --> 01:22:52.409
one a potentially old one creation that sprang

01:22:52.409 --> 01:22:56.640
forth from a giant magical tree And magic either

01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:58.979
way in fantasy all comes from the realm of chaos.

01:22:59.300 --> 01:23:03.359
So there's something not far off. Like, they

01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:06.140
are at least somewhat related to the warp and

01:23:06.140 --> 01:23:16.920
the realm of chaos. Sorry, it's just like the

01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:19.460
exerted thought noise that you're like, ah, just

01:23:19.460 --> 01:23:21.779
feeling your brain. They're a mess, because I

01:23:21.779 --> 01:23:26.010
don't even know if, like... The reason they're

01:23:26.010 --> 01:23:27.630
a quote -unquote could -be -considered -a -good

01:23:27.630 --> 01:23:31.329
-guy faction is because the evil factions, like

01:23:31.329 --> 01:23:35.390
the Orcs, Chaos, the Skaven, the Undead, they're

01:23:35.390 --> 01:23:37.689
evil in a way that usually permanently alters

01:23:37.689 --> 01:23:40.670
the landscape. I guess except for the Orcs, but

01:23:40.670 --> 01:23:43.569
that's only because they're not smart enough

01:23:43.569 --> 01:23:48.069
to bring about industrial mining equipment. And

01:23:48.069 --> 01:23:51.010
Orc energy isn't corruptive, it's just explosive.

01:23:53.949 --> 01:23:55.869
They fight those threats more than any other

01:23:55.869 --> 01:23:57.829
because when chaos invades, right, they're not

01:23:57.829 --> 01:23:59.590
just looking for wood for the forest. They're

01:23:59.590 --> 01:24:02.550
looking to turn the forest into a chaos gate.

01:24:03.510 --> 01:24:08.270
But they'll still kill anyone, and they frequently

01:24:08.270 --> 01:24:14.029
do. Like, they're insane madmen elves. Again,

01:24:14.149 --> 01:24:16.289
not helping is even ignoring the forest spirits.

01:24:18.029 --> 01:24:19.770
There's all that stuff I was saying about Athel

01:24:19.770 --> 01:24:22.369
Loren. Sometimes you walk in, right, and you

01:24:22.369 --> 01:24:25.590
walk out. You might be fine. You walk in, you

01:24:25.590 --> 01:24:28.689
walk out. You spent 10 ,000 years in that forest.

01:24:29.270 --> 01:24:32.130
You didn't know that, but you did. And it all

01:24:32.130 --> 01:24:34.449
catches up to you the moment you leave and you

01:24:34.449 --> 01:24:39.710
age into dust. Oh, okay. Alternatively, you walk

01:24:39.710 --> 01:24:42.170
in, you get lost for like 50 years. You come

01:24:42.170 --> 01:24:45.649
out an old man. Two seconds have passed. You

01:24:45.649 --> 01:24:49.869
go to mom's for dinner. Mom's son is now older

01:24:49.869 --> 01:24:53.010
than her. i that has there ever been a story

01:24:53.010 --> 01:24:54.949
where someone's walked in been gone for a really

01:24:54.949 --> 01:24:58.109
long time and come out relatively unchanged like

01:24:58.109 --> 01:25:01.409
a kind of it does happen like those feasts or

01:25:01.409 --> 01:25:04.050
ceremonies they'll sometimes invite random people

01:25:04.050 --> 01:25:06.229
in for sometimes they are just invited to the

01:25:06.229 --> 01:25:08.069
ceremony and they get to have a fun time with

01:25:08.069 --> 01:25:13.409
the forest and then they leave i just like because

01:25:13.409 --> 01:25:15.270
i could imagine the forest spirits being like

01:25:15.270 --> 01:25:18.189
oh here's this this champion of a faction which

01:25:18.189 --> 01:25:20.670
we don't have control of, but we understand they're

01:25:20.670 --> 01:25:23.189
quite powerful. Let's keep them wandering through

01:25:23.189 --> 01:25:25.210
the forest until we need them to fight something

01:25:25.210 --> 01:25:27.850
outside of our domains and be like, ah, there's

01:25:27.850 --> 01:25:31.069
a big enemy army coming. We'll lead them for

01:25:31.069 --> 01:25:33.229
a merry chase for a few years and then let them

01:25:33.229 --> 01:25:36.630
out. And then, oh, look who happened to be in

01:25:36.630 --> 01:25:39.920
the way of the forest. Oh, no. What a shame.

01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:43.000
Good thing you brought your entire army. I guess

01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:44.760
you'll have to fight through them to get back

01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:50.720
home. That is a trick they like to do. Of course,

01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:53.760
sometimes the forest has a mind of its own too,

01:25:53.819 --> 01:25:57.739
remember? Usually you need both blessings, wood

01:25:57.739 --> 01:26:01.840
elf and forest, to be allowed in. Because these

01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:06.220
trees are alive, remember? So it might turn into

01:26:06.220 --> 01:26:08.779
some Dryads and kill you. Might turn into a Tree

01:26:08.779 --> 01:26:11.920
Man, which is an Ent, and kill you. Might turn

01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:14.359
into a Tree Lord, which is a really big Ent,

01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:19.560
and kill you. You might get lost in the Glade

01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:21.819
of Woe, in which case it's corrupted by Chaos.

01:26:21.899 --> 01:26:25.140
Have fun. The Wood Elves certainly aren't going

01:26:25.140 --> 01:26:30.180
in to rescue you. You might get lost in Coedil's

01:26:30.180 --> 01:26:32.739
little prison with all of his insane little minions.

01:26:33.430 --> 01:26:36.829
So have fun with that. You might meet Draika,

01:26:36.989 --> 01:26:41.430
who is insane, even by Wood Elf and Dryad standards.

01:26:43.390 --> 01:26:48.670
She will kill you. Has anyone got, like, been...

01:26:48.670 --> 01:26:50.310
Because, you know, you said about, like, how

01:26:50.310 --> 01:26:53.590
they helped Karl Franz from being attacked by

01:26:53.590 --> 01:26:55.649
Beastmen when he was younger. Are there any characters

01:26:55.649 --> 01:26:57.609
from, like, completely different factions where

01:26:57.609 --> 01:27:00.029
they're like, ah, we respect you, we'll give,

01:27:00.130 --> 01:27:03.289
like... give you a gift or help you or like is

01:27:03.289 --> 01:27:06.010
there any weird like alliances that you'd think

01:27:06.010 --> 01:27:07.189
oh that's like because you know you're talking

01:27:07.189 --> 01:27:10.590
about like the ogres and cafe and about the dragon

01:27:10.590 --> 01:27:13.590
prince has a weird relationship with uh with

01:27:13.590 --> 01:27:15.489
greasers and you would think that's a strange

01:27:15.489 --> 01:27:18.250
pairing is there anything like that with the

01:27:18.250 --> 01:27:21.289
wood elves or the the trees the closest is bretonia

01:27:21.289 --> 01:27:24.510
there's a few like grail knight monasteries that

01:27:24.510 --> 01:27:26.729
are allowed to exist in bretonia that they can

01:27:26.729 --> 01:27:31.020
make pilgrimages to uh They do help Bretonnia

01:27:31.020 --> 01:27:33.220
a little bit more often than they wild hunt all

01:27:33.220 --> 01:27:36.539
over the peasants. Usually at least the king

01:27:36.539 --> 01:27:38.720
of Bretonnia will every now and again get a little

01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:41.000
bit of wood elf advice, maybe even some assistance.

01:27:41.819 --> 01:27:44.319
Especially if it's Tuesday and Morgur's back

01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:48.300
and someone's got to deal with it. I just like

01:27:48.300 --> 01:27:50.640
the idea that they pick on the peasants. As soon

01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:52.279
as they see a noble coming their way, it's like,

01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:56.659
ah, how much GDP does your town have? Oh, how

01:27:56.659 --> 01:28:00.439
much? Yeah, welcome in. Clearly not a dirty peasant,

01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:03.619
said the tree. Yeah. Wow. What's going on there,

01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:07.380
buddy? There is also, you know, there's Carillion

01:28:07.380 --> 01:28:11.420
and Vermintide. She's, you know, it took two

01:28:11.420 --> 01:28:14.659
games, but she's warmed up to even the dwarf.

01:28:15.380 --> 01:28:18.079
Hmm. I was going to ask about her. Like, that

01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:21.319
must be a bit unprecedented to have, like, a

01:28:21.319 --> 01:28:24.079
wood elf outside of the forest helping other

01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:26.659
people. Or are there those kind of rangers who

01:28:26.659 --> 01:28:29.210
just go out? They do have rangers that go out.

01:28:29.369 --> 01:28:32.750
The oldest wood elves know the forest is not

01:28:32.750 --> 01:28:35.310
quite as isolated as we'd like it to be. And

01:28:35.310 --> 01:28:36.989
the youngest wood elves, they just like the adventure.

01:28:37.710 --> 01:28:41.329
So they will have rangers go out and help. When

01:28:41.329 --> 01:28:43.470
you say young, are we talking about young for

01:28:43.470 --> 01:28:46.289
an elf? Yeah, young for an elf. They're only

01:28:46.289 --> 01:28:54.430
like 80. Oh, okay. So they do go out and help

01:28:54.430 --> 01:28:58.569
every now and again. if insane elves, still living

01:28:58.569 --> 01:29:00.529
beings, they can form attachments with others.

01:29:00.710 --> 01:29:04.250
They usually don't. They really, like, they take

01:29:04.250 --> 01:29:07.189
elven isolationism to the logical extreme of

01:29:07.189 --> 01:29:09.970
I never want to see you or anyone that isn't

01:29:09.970 --> 01:29:12.989
a tree or another wood elf again most of the

01:29:12.989 --> 01:29:15.550
time. But they can be, you know, they hang out.

01:29:16.210 --> 01:29:19.050
Yeah, they're basically exodites, but in fantasy.

01:29:19.470 --> 01:29:24.039
Yeah, and probably more murder. I don't know.

01:29:24.039 --> 01:29:25.680
The exodites don't get enough lore for me to

01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:27.779
make that statement confidently. I don't know.

01:29:28.260 --> 01:29:30.420
Yeah. Well, again, that whole thing is just like,

01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:32.399
we're going to stay on this maiden world. We're

01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:35.659
never leaving. And we just tend to things. The

01:29:35.659 --> 01:29:37.760
exodites are very much like the wood elf translation

01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:41.439
40 K, but they don't have an army or any lower.

01:29:42.539 --> 01:29:44.699
Well, but also the trouble is they never leave

01:29:44.699 --> 01:29:47.829
their planet. It's like our whole thing is. Kind

01:29:47.829 --> 01:29:50.170
of become like the Amish. You get rid of technology.

01:29:50.909 --> 01:29:54.109
You tend to the fields. You keep the wild spirit

01:29:54.109 --> 01:29:58.130
happy. Never leave. Don't do any vices because

01:29:58.130 --> 01:30:00.729
that's how Slaanesh happens. And then all the

01:30:00.729 --> 01:30:03.409
other Eldar races like these primitives. Look

01:30:03.409 --> 01:30:06.789
at them with plows. Should get a shuriken pistol

01:30:06.789 --> 01:30:08.529
or something. I don't know. What's going on with

01:30:08.529 --> 01:30:11.880
you? Where's your... where's your spaceships?

01:30:11.899 --> 01:30:14.000
And they're like, oh, we kind of don't want them.

01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:16.039
Look at this cool dinosaur I get to ride around.

01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:18.380
Like, cool. How are you going to get them in

01:30:18.380 --> 01:30:20.479
a story unless it's on a maiden world, I suppose?

01:30:20.819 --> 01:30:25.399
Yeah. Tricky. Yeah, that's kind of the default

01:30:25.399 --> 01:30:27.680
state of the wood elves is randomly helping,

01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.199
randomly hurting. If you try and talk to them,

01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:34.159
you're getting what may as well be utter gibberish.

01:30:35.939 --> 01:30:41.619
Real quick to the end time, shall we? Okay. Turns

01:30:41.619 --> 01:30:45.800
out the Beastmen had overrun a whole lot of Athel

01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:48.800
Loren. When the end times were breaking out,

01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:51.039
the wood elves just kind of looked at everyone

01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:54.180
else going through shit and laughed. It sucks

01:30:54.180 --> 01:30:57.420
to be you. Turns out the Oak of Ages, the Tree

01:30:57.420 --> 01:31:00.079
of Life, is full of maggots and rotting from

01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:03.460
the inside out. How long has that been going

01:31:03.460 --> 01:31:08.119
on for? Some amount of time. how did they figure

01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:10.279
that? Like, I just like the idea of one day one

01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:12.039
of them's walking around and just sees like a

01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:14.840
branch and just goes, Oh, what's that? And then

01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:20.279
finds the maggot and then goes, Gary, Gary, Gary,

01:31:20.619 --> 01:31:23.960
we have a problem. It's like, Oh no. And they're

01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:25.279
just like looking through the holes. It's like

01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:28.380
writhing. Like, cause it must be a lot of maggots

01:31:28.380 --> 01:31:30.560
for like a, what I assume is like, you know,

01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:33.779
that tree in dark souls one where the ash, that's

01:31:33.779 --> 01:31:37.800
a big tree. It's a big tree. That's a lot of

01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:42.420
maggots. Yeah. Eventually, though, a lot of scheming

01:31:42.420 --> 01:31:45.060
is happening during this point. The elven goddess

01:31:45.060 --> 01:31:51.000
Lilith, she's doing a lot of scheming. A whole

01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:58.020
lot of scheming. And if it's eventually revealed

01:31:58.020 --> 01:32:03.260
that Ariel is kind of dying. Well, like Isha

01:32:03.260 --> 01:32:05.819
as a whole, like the proper, like, you know,

01:32:05.819 --> 01:32:09.420
ethereal goddess version kind of has divine dementia.

01:32:10.779 --> 01:32:18.399
Oh, okay. Yeah. Uh, so eventually, uh, Lillith,

01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:24.380
uh, convenes away for, uh, a L 'Oreal, the Everqueen,

01:32:24.420 --> 01:32:26.699
who also was kind of a little, like a little

01:32:26.699 --> 01:32:31.100
bit of a less potent incarnation of Isha. To

01:32:31.100 --> 01:32:34.439
absorb Ariel and the rest of Isha, pretty much.

01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:39.100
So now the wood elves swear loyalty to Alariel,

01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:41.180
the Everqueen, who is a high elf, but she's the

01:32:41.180 --> 01:32:44.359
one who lives in the hippie land, so it's close.

01:32:46.359 --> 01:32:50.460
During this time, the wood elves, I'm kind of

01:32:50.460 --> 01:32:53.439
a little bit sad to say, don't have too much

01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:56.720
in the end times. Various characters like that

01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.359
Daith guy revealed, hey, he's Vol reincarnated.

01:32:59.869 --> 01:33:06.229
Orion is Kernos, so he's here. The show is on

01:33:06.229 --> 01:33:09.430
Ulthuan and the Dark Elves and High Elves. So

01:33:09.430 --> 01:33:13.029
at one point, Tyrion does the funny, pulls the

01:33:13.029 --> 01:33:17.069
Sword of Cain, goes nuts. He goes to fight Orion,

01:33:17.270 --> 01:33:23.949
and Tyrion slash Cain brutally murders him. But...

01:33:24.799 --> 01:33:27.819
Orion does manage to stab a chink in his armor

01:33:27.819 --> 01:33:30.859
and keep the wound formed by an earlier elf open.

01:33:30.939 --> 01:33:37.000
He hurts Tyrion pretty badly. At one point, Tyrion

01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:40.500
goes completely insane, and Durthu comes to,

01:33:40.539 --> 01:33:44.579
I think, my favorite realization I've ever seen

01:33:44.579 --> 01:33:47.300
in a setting. He's not strong enough to kill

01:33:47.300 --> 01:33:50.859
Tyrion. Tyrion's got the spirit of Cain possessing

01:33:50.859 --> 01:33:54.140
him. He's the war god right now. He's insane.

01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:57.699
Tyrion is still just, like, physically an elf,

01:33:57.800 --> 01:34:01.859
right? About, you know, seven feet tall, pretty

01:34:01.859 --> 01:34:09.000
thin. Dorthu's a 30 -foot -tall tree. So he just

01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:12.819
punts him. Like, out of Athel Loren, just leave.

01:34:13.699 --> 01:34:18.199
Get out of here. Yeet! He does the giant thing

01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:21.520
from Skyrim. He's not dead, because he's got

01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:24.479
Cain's blessing, all this ancient, near -unbreakable

01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:27.960
armor. But it's not fighting, it's just physics.

01:34:28.880 --> 01:34:33.800
He just kicks them out, which is amazing. I just

01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:36.260
love the idea that he's flying through the air

01:34:36.260 --> 01:34:40.060
for, like, hours, just contemplating his life

01:34:40.060 --> 01:34:44.829
decisions with, like... Like a comet soaring

01:34:44.829 --> 01:34:47.069
through the air like, when am I going to land?

01:34:47.229 --> 01:34:51.189
This is taking ages. Yeah, it's been forever.

01:34:52.210 --> 01:34:57.270
Ulthuan eventually sinks. All the dark elves

01:34:57.270 --> 01:35:00.289
left Naggaroth, so Khorne ransacked whatever

01:35:00.289 --> 01:35:05.029
was left. So all of the elves briefly take up

01:35:05.029 --> 01:35:08.409
home in Athel Loren, which leads to some tension.

01:35:10.220 --> 01:35:12.420
Not helped is when the rest of the incarnates

01:35:12.420 --> 01:35:14.819
in the various armies also come to Athelorn for

01:35:14.819 --> 01:35:17.439
a bit. So not only are the elves they don't like

01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:19.619
hanging around, humans and dwarfs are hanging

01:35:19.619 --> 01:35:22.979
around. Nagash shows up at one point, so now

01:35:22.979 --> 01:35:30.739
he's hanging around. It's not great. It is eventually,

01:35:31.100 --> 01:35:34.640
you know, they're sent off. Oh, no, I'm skipping

01:35:34.640 --> 01:35:37.079
one important thing because it's such a nothing

01:35:37.079 --> 01:35:40.670
that I forget about it. Lilith revealed she had

01:35:40.670 --> 01:35:44.430
a backup world. That's in fact why Purtonia had

01:35:44.430 --> 01:35:47.229
Grail Knights. She was making them to be the

01:35:47.229 --> 01:35:51.090
demigod protectors of this new planet and her

01:35:51.090 --> 01:35:53.449
chosen wood elves and would become the gods and

01:35:53.449 --> 01:35:57.149
goddesses. Including one named Araloth, who was

01:35:57.149 --> 01:36:01.090
kind of like Assyrian reborn, or at least he

01:36:01.090 --> 01:36:03.989
would be the Assyrian equivalent. So then, you

01:36:03.989 --> 01:36:05.869
know, she sent a whole lot of people over to

01:36:05.869 --> 01:36:14.720
that world. Manfred von Karstein. Oh. He was

01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:18.300
given to the rest of the people here as a gesture

01:36:18.300 --> 01:36:22.020
of good faith by Nagash. Particularly the high

01:36:22.020 --> 01:36:25.439
elves, because he was like, Hey, Tyrion, you

01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:28.840
know who got your daughter killed? Here you go.

01:36:28.899 --> 01:36:30.520
I know who's to bring me back, but you know who

01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:33.939
kidnapped her? Here he is. I like that. He's

01:36:33.939 --> 01:36:36.439
just such a dick. He's like, I know I can't...

01:36:37.229 --> 01:36:39.369
I can't convince people that I'm trustworthy,

01:36:39.649 --> 01:36:42.270
but I can give them what they want for like their

01:36:42.270 --> 01:36:44.989
basis. Like, I'll give you something to say your

01:36:44.989 --> 01:36:47.029
vengeance or you're annoyed. It's like, you just,

01:36:47.130 --> 01:36:49.409
nothing he ever does is kind or good. It's just

01:36:49.409 --> 01:36:51.789
like, no, I'm going to give you someone who you

01:36:51.789 --> 01:36:54.329
really hated so you can talk to them. Have fun.

01:36:54.329 --> 01:37:00.369
Like, oh, what a git. Yeah. Then Manfred, he's

01:37:00.369 --> 01:37:04.390
freed or no, well, he's imprisoned in this, you

01:37:04.390 --> 01:37:09.850
know, It's a magical prison. He can't break out

01:37:09.850 --> 01:37:15.289
on his own, right? Who he can break out, who

01:37:15.289 --> 01:37:22.529
can break him out is Bellacor. Oh, wow. Who frees

01:37:22.529 --> 01:37:26.130
him of his prison in exchange for Manfred telling

01:37:26.130 --> 01:37:30.270
him about Lilith's secret world. And the last

01:37:30.270 --> 01:37:31.989
thing we hear about that and all the wood elves

01:37:31.989 --> 01:37:34.090
and grail knights sent to it is that Lilith just

01:37:34.090 --> 01:37:39.539
lost contact with it. Uh -oh. We've got a balacore

01:37:39.539 --> 01:37:42.880
problem. I'm assuming something along the lines

01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:47.899
of a slipspace rupture detected. Something along

01:37:47.899 --> 01:37:50.619
those lines seems like that's what happened to

01:37:50.619 --> 01:37:52.119
that world, especially because it hasn't shown

01:37:52.119 --> 01:37:57.279
back up in Age of Sigmar. So yeah, with that,

01:37:57.340 --> 01:38:00.119
most of the various wood elves eventually become

01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:04.149
part of the big ol'... army techless teleports

01:38:04.149 --> 01:38:06.470
over to Middenheim to save the end of the world.

01:38:06.930 --> 01:38:09.789
Uh, they fight, they die. The world's almost

01:38:09.789 --> 01:38:14.250
save Manfred Manfred's the world ends. And the

01:38:14.250 --> 01:38:16.770
Oak of ages is the last bit of the Warhammer

01:38:16.770 --> 01:38:20.569
world to fade into nothingness as the warp overtakes

01:38:20.569 --> 01:38:24.189
the planet. Wow. Uh, it does, it does make it

01:38:24.189 --> 01:38:27.359
back into age of Sigmar, the Oak of ages. Less

01:38:27.359 --> 01:38:30.239
maggots this time? Less maggots this time. When

01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:33.699
the L 'Oreal ate the other Isha bits, it kind

01:38:33.699 --> 01:38:38.479
of healed it. Oh, okay. But then the Chaos won

01:38:38.479 --> 01:38:41.439
anyways, so it didn't really mean anything. Ah,

01:38:41.699 --> 01:38:47.439
strange tree. And that, by and large, was the

01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:51.239
Wood Elves. Are there any questions? So have

01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:53.939
they transformed into something new in Age of

01:38:53.939 --> 01:38:58.779
Sigmar then? Or have they just gone? So... It's...

01:38:58.779 --> 01:39:04.560
Complicated. So the Forest Spirits are like their

01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:08.060
own army now under a L 'Oreal. L 'Oreal is back.

01:39:08.060 --> 01:39:09.659
She kind of leads like the Wood Elf equivalent.

01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:13.079
She even brought the Ruined Oak of Ages back

01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:15.300
to life in the new setting and used it to sucker

01:39:15.300 --> 01:39:26.010
punch Nagash. But... It's weird because there

01:39:26.010 --> 01:39:28.350
were, you know, as there were in the old world,

01:39:28.529 --> 01:39:32.069
wood elves hanging around, right? They were hanging

01:39:32.069 --> 01:39:34.329
around with Elariel's forest spirits, who she

01:39:34.329 --> 01:39:37.670
views as her children. When chaos broke into

01:39:37.670 --> 01:39:43.390
Age of Sigmar, the wood elves aren't rooted to

01:39:43.390 --> 01:39:46.529
the ground. They kind of just started running

01:39:46.529 --> 01:39:49.680
wherever they could. And kind of left Elariel

01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:52.319
and her forest spirit children to fight on their

01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:57.560
own. Wow. Okay. A little bit rude. A little bit

01:39:57.560 --> 01:40:03.880
rude, I'm not going to lie. Wow. So... And to

01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:05.520
be fair to them, they were like, hey, you let

01:40:05.520 --> 01:40:07.550
the world blow up, I'm not... getting involved

01:40:07.550 --> 01:40:09.729
in any more of your shenanigans. I'm getting

01:40:09.729 --> 01:40:12.590
out of here. I'll check right now, and I know

01:40:12.590 --> 01:40:16.350
a lot of former elven spirits from Warhammer

01:40:16.350 --> 01:40:20.609
Fantasy were reincarnated as tree people. I don't

01:40:20.609 --> 01:40:22.930
know, and I'll check the web store real quick

01:40:22.930 --> 01:40:25.149
just to make sure, but I don't think there's

01:40:25.149 --> 01:40:28.890
any normal elves in this. Yeah, there's not any

01:40:28.890 --> 01:40:32.550
proper normal elves in the Sylvan F range. I

01:40:32.550 --> 01:40:35.020
believe... Because those wood elves are called

01:40:35.020 --> 01:40:37.720
the dispossessed. And they did eventually, Alariel,

01:40:37.819 --> 01:40:39.920
you know, they came back after the Age of Chaos

01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:45.279
ended, and Alariel forgave them. A lot of the

01:40:45.279 --> 01:40:47.819
tree spirits did not quite forgive them, so it's

01:40:47.819 --> 01:40:52.859
a little bit uneasy there. Yeah. And let me check

01:40:52.859 --> 01:40:54.800
the Cities of Sigmar range, because I feel at

01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:56.800
one point, if nothing else, there were some...

01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:01.670
What do you call them? Some, like... old Wood

01:41:01.670 --> 01:41:03.909
Elf models you could use in the Cities of Sigmar

01:41:03.909 --> 01:41:06.270
range, because there still are a lot of Dark

01:41:06.270 --> 01:41:08.109
Elf models you can use like that. In fact, if

01:41:08.109 --> 01:41:09.729
you want to get any Dark Elf models, that's how

01:41:09.729 --> 01:41:12.409
you get them. It doesn't look like at least anymore

01:41:12.409 --> 01:41:16.170
you can get any Wood Elfs as part of the Cities

01:41:16.170 --> 01:41:19.869
of Sigmar box, but that might also be because

01:41:19.869 --> 01:41:23.189
they've gone back to the old world, so they're

01:41:23.189 --> 01:41:25.810
not being sold for AOS anymore. So what's going

01:41:25.810 --> 01:41:27.590
on with the Dispossessed and that specifically,

01:41:27.850 --> 01:41:30.619
I don't know. I have fears they're going the

01:41:30.619 --> 01:41:34.159
way of the Beastmen and will simply not be talked

01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:37.699
about anymore. Yeah. Right side. Wood Elves are

01:41:37.699 --> 01:41:41.359
back. You can buy them as an army in proper,

01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:46.000
you know, old Warhammer fantasy. So, hey, you

01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:49.380
can still get all those minis again. They have...

01:41:49.380 --> 01:41:57.199
I'm having another eh moment. Because... Some

01:41:57.199 --> 01:41:59.079
of those models are real cool, right? Like, you

01:41:59.079 --> 01:42:04.279
know, some of them look good. Some of them were

01:42:04.279 --> 01:42:08.300
not allowed to come back from Age of Sigmar.

01:42:09.100 --> 01:42:11.720
Right. Which is why the nice and cool updated

01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:17.899
Durthu model has been replaced with the old equivalent

01:42:17.899 --> 01:42:21.619
I'm sending over to you now. The old TreeWorld

01:42:21.619 --> 01:42:26.180
model. Wow, look at that guy. He looks... cranky.

01:42:26.180 --> 01:42:28.960
The little guy in his skull. What is that thing?

01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:32.760
Forest spirit. They got little forest light spirits

01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:36.560
that follow him around. He looks like gangly

01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:40.199
evil Pac -Man. What's going on there? There's

01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:46.380
also... For $110, you too, Andy, can get something.

01:42:46.420 --> 01:42:51.520
You can get it like a Toys R Us for $5. Oh, wow.

01:42:51.699 --> 01:42:55.539
They look bad. What is going on? What is with

01:42:55.539 --> 01:42:59.939
the guy's jawline? I have no idea. It's the guy.

01:43:00.060 --> 01:43:03.220
It's the meme of the guy with the long chin.

01:43:03.899 --> 01:43:05.920
He kind of looks like, what's his name? Is it

01:43:05.920 --> 01:43:09.000
the guy from Crazy Tech? You know, we are number

01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:13.119
one. Oh, yeah. What is going on there? There's

01:43:13.119 --> 01:43:15.640
also, you know, the Widows are all about duality,

01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:18.460
right? So here's a kit of duality and one of

01:43:18.460 --> 01:43:23.449
the few times GW's the woman's sculpts weren't

01:43:23.449 --> 01:43:27.350
infinitely worse than the man's sculpts. Because

01:43:27.350 --> 01:43:31.869
with this lovely image, the two lady mages, they

01:43:31.869 --> 01:43:35.270
look like proper arcane warriors. And then the

01:43:35.270 --> 01:43:37.369
dude in the back looks like he's desperately

01:43:37.369 --> 01:43:41.170
holding in a shit. And the dude in the front

01:43:41.170 --> 01:43:43.649
looks like he's realized he's failed that battle.

01:43:44.569 --> 01:43:47.470
The guy on the front has a little gremlin fella.

01:43:47.710 --> 01:43:50.279
But the guy in the back... He also kind of looks

01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:53.539
like a power metal band singer who's just standing

01:43:53.539 --> 01:43:56.659
at the front like, yeah, I'm going to do a song.

01:43:57.100 --> 01:44:01.859
Wow. I guess, you know, for a little bit of an

01:44:01.859 --> 01:44:05.720
end, a little bit of tabletop for anyone curious.

01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:09.779
Very good ranged weapons. Some of the best in

01:44:09.779 --> 01:44:13.979
the game. Their magic's very good. Their battalion

01:44:13.979 --> 01:44:21.899
box is absurdly good. Short of heroes and someone

01:44:21.899 --> 01:44:25.060
like the forest creature units, you get the whole

01:44:25.060 --> 01:44:29.579
army, essentially. So that's an actual GW savings

01:44:29.579 --> 01:44:34.720
box. That's good. And, you know, they're very

01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:39.760
fast and they hit pretty hard. Downside, they

01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:44.939
can't really take any magical items, so you can't

01:44:44.939 --> 01:44:47.890
upgrade your heroes very much. At least, you

01:44:47.890 --> 01:44:53.949
know, the trees. Vulnerable to flaming attacks.

01:44:54.369 --> 01:44:57.449
So you better hope your opponent doesn't have

01:44:57.449 --> 01:45:03.430
any fire magic. No dwarves ever. Yeah. They're

01:45:03.430 --> 01:45:09.590
not very strong. I mean, they're not tough. Glass

01:45:09.590 --> 01:45:12.449
cannons, basically. Yeah, glass cannons. And

01:45:12.449 --> 01:45:14.689
unless my eyes deceive me, which I will take

01:45:14.689 --> 01:45:19.409
a quick glance through the web store again. Yeah,

01:45:19.529 --> 01:45:23.090
my eyes do not deceive me. This is the, I think,

01:45:23.109 --> 01:45:25.170
the only old world faction to not have gotten

01:45:25.170 --> 01:45:33.649
new models. That's a shame. And it shows. Are

01:45:33.649 --> 01:45:36.109
you holding out hope they might get some new

01:45:36.109 --> 01:45:39.090
models? I'd like them to, or at least for some

01:45:39.090 --> 01:45:41.149
of these things to be updated, because for the

01:45:41.149 --> 01:45:46.310
love of God, please. I know you don't want cross

01:45:46.310 --> 01:45:48.810
-sales between AOS and Old World, or at least

01:45:48.810 --> 01:45:52.949
I'm assuming, but please just let the Wood Elf

01:45:52.949 --> 01:45:55.329
players use some of the Age of Sigmar tree, man.

01:45:55.390 --> 01:45:59.430
These things are painful to look at. Wood Elf

01:45:59.430 --> 01:46:02.689
model builders, they're just shaving down their

01:46:02.689 --> 01:46:06.789
chin so they're less absurd. They don't even

01:46:06.789 --> 01:46:11.279
have dryads, at least not on the web store. which

01:46:11.279 --> 01:46:14.000
uh was like the the tree man version of the frontline

01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:17.359
infantry which is that is that's an interesting

01:46:17.359 --> 01:46:22.279
choice uh i yeah the the the wood elves i would

01:46:22.279 --> 01:46:25.220
say have definitely come back the worst off i'm

01:46:25.220 --> 01:46:27.920
glad they're available and you you can still

01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:33.819
form a proper army with them it's just everyone

01:46:33.819 --> 01:46:35.899
else who's come back if they don't have the full

01:46:35.899 --> 01:46:39.890
set They at least have enough to make a fully

01:46:39.890 --> 01:46:43.729
functioning army with without losing... They

01:46:43.729 --> 01:46:46.409
have all the functions they had in original fantasy,

01:46:46.510 --> 01:46:48.909
if not maybe all the ways to go about those functions.

01:46:51.470 --> 01:46:53.770
It looks like the Wood Elves kind of lost their

01:46:53.770 --> 01:46:58.279
line infantry. And I suppose all the new models

01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:01.020
added to each of the factions was like, here's

01:47:01.020 --> 01:47:04.100
my army. Here's the cool new look. Don't look

01:47:04.100 --> 01:47:06.779
at the others. It draws your eye away, whereas

01:47:06.779 --> 01:47:10.039
these guys, they have no saving grace. Check

01:47:10.039 --> 01:47:12.619
out the guys squatting in a weird pose. You've

01:47:12.619 --> 01:47:17.279
got the big chin lads. Especially with Cathay

01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:20.260
and those models next to the wood elves. It's

01:47:20.260 --> 01:47:23.359
like, boy, you did not get the love you should

01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:28.039
have. No. The ugly stepchild syndrome, like,

01:47:28.100 --> 01:47:32.840
oh, poor fellas. But yeah, those were just about

01:47:32.840 --> 01:47:36.000
the wood elves. Oh, bear's brief mention before

01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:39.159
I forget. There is one other enclaves of wood

01:47:39.159 --> 01:47:41.420
elves. I won't talk about them too much, both

01:47:41.420 --> 01:47:47.279
because I am... I don't want to take up too much

01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:51.380
time, and I am uneducated on them. I would need

01:47:51.380 --> 01:47:57.479
to talk to good old Andy. time when he's on Lawmaster,

01:47:57.739 --> 01:48:00.899
or if I'm doing anything with him and Sotek again.

01:48:01.880 --> 01:48:06.979
Because he wrote a whole lot of their lore. It

01:48:06.979 --> 01:48:12.800
is a group of offshoot wood elves in a lower

01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:16.199
Lorne forest, which is in the province of Norbland

01:48:16.199 --> 01:48:22.159
in the Empire. They're a lot nicer. They help

01:48:22.159 --> 01:48:25.920
the Sigma rights out very often. They actually

01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:28.960
trade an ally, and you can even sometimes come

01:48:28.960 --> 01:48:32.119
into the magical forest without being brutally

01:48:32.119 --> 01:48:35.640
murdered or sacrificed. What an achievement.

01:48:36.539 --> 01:48:39.699
They could go there if they wish, but because

01:48:39.699 --> 01:48:41.779
they've been separated for so long, they've kind

01:48:41.779 --> 01:48:47.159
of grown distinct cultures. So chief among them

01:48:47.159 --> 01:48:56.720
being they're much less isolationist. Again,

01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:00.920
I don't know everything about them, but they're

01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:03.399
like a much nicer, friendlier version of the

01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:05.420
wood elves, if less powerful, because they've

01:49:05.420 --> 01:49:07.659
only got their one smaller magical force as opposed

01:49:07.659 --> 01:49:12.819
to the massive blob that is Athel Loren. I just

01:49:12.819 --> 01:49:14.460
like the idea that they were like, oh, we're

01:49:14.460 --> 01:49:16.680
near some human civilizations and started trading

01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:18.039
with them and go, what have they got that we

01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:20.220
don't? And they're like, we have this thing called

01:49:20.220 --> 01:49:24.260
wine. Like what? It's made of grapes, but it's

01:49:24.260 --> 01:49:26.460
a bit naughty. It's like naughty grapes. Oh,

01:49:26.760 --> 01:49:28.960
this is the best thing ever. Oh, we like these

01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:32.720
humans. Yeah. What is this? This is called cheese.

01:49:36.159 --> 01:49:38.319
We'll trade you five balls for a casket of wine.

01:49:38.420 --> 01:49:42.930
Brilliant. Relations secure. The forest is, of

01:49:42.930 --> 01:49:47.229
course, split into four parts because seasons.

01:49:48.789 --> 01:49:52.689
And they're pretty nice. They're like the closest

01:49:52.689 --> 01:49:55.529
Warhammer's ever gotten to like Lord of the Ring

01:49:55.529 --> 01:50:00.210
elves in that their arrogance is more tempered

01:50:00.210 --> 01:50:01.989
than it isn't and they aren't complete dickheads.

01:50:03.289 --> 01:50:09.539
Of course. They were able to negotiate with the

01:50:09.539 --> 01:50:12.779
Phoenix King, and they're officially acknowledged

01:50:12.779 --> 01:50:16.119
as their own thing. They're not just like offshoot

01:50:16.119 --> 01:50:17.979
elves that the Phoenix King would like to try

01:50:17.979 --> 01:50:19.899
and get back in. He's like, nope, you're your

01:50:19.899 --> 01:50:23.079
own polity, which unfortunately does mean that,

01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:25.520
well, maybe not necessarily unfortunately, but

01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:28.819
they've tried to negotiate with the dark elves

01:50:28.819 --> 01:50:31.260
every now and again, try and get them to stop

01:50:31.260 --> 01:50:37.890
raiding. Try. Didn't turn out well. Try. Excuse

01:50:37.890 --> 01:50:39.529
me, sir. Could you stop being like a menace?

01:50:39.609 --> 01:50:42.289
It's my favorite thing. I'm not going to stop

01:50:42.289 --> 01:50:46.149
doing that. No, I don't think I will. And yeah,

01:50:46.229 --> 01:50:50.289
that's just about the Wood Elves. Any last questions?

01:50:51.590 --> 01:50:55.069
Any last questions? So do they have good representation

01:50:55.069 --> 01:50:56.909
on Total War? Because I know you mentioned that

01:50:56.909 --> 01:50:59.810
the twins are in, is it the first game? Have

01:50:59.810 --> 01:51:02.630
they had many heroes pop up that like, oh, you

01:51:02.630 --> 01:51:04.880
get to play? So are they more like... They've

01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:09.699
got a few. So there's some mods that can add

01:51:09.699 --> 01:51:11.420
a lot more of their characters, but they've got

01:51:11.420 --> 01:51:15.119
the Sisters of Twilight. They've got, you know,

01:51:15.140 --> 01:51:18.380
Durthu's a playable character. Orion, of course,

01:51:18.439 --> 01:51:22.340
is a playable character. So they've got a good

01:51:22.340 --> 01:51:24.439
amount, and they went through a rework towards

01:51:24.439 --> 01:51:27.199
the end of the second game, which, thank God.

01:51:28.060 --> 01:51:30.340
Oh, they have Drek as a playable character, too,

01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:32.060
if you would like to play as Wood Elves but really

01:51:32.060 --> 01:51:42.000
hate Wood Elves. I would honestly say they're

01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:43.680
definitely better off still in Total War than

01:51:43.680 --> 01:51:46.859
they are in Tabletop now. Because boy, those

01:51:46.859 --> 01:51:52.319
models hurt. Yeah. They've got a very unique

01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:55.840
campaign. It's fun. I was going to say, could...

01:51:56.359 --> 01:51:59.579
Games Workshop use some of the models from Total

01:51:59.579 --> 01:52:03.180
Warhammer as inspiration to spruce up their miniatures?

01:52:04.119 --> 01:52:06.779
Or are they just kind of generic? They could,

01:52:06.979 --> 01:52:10.000
but some of them, it's like if the Dryads aren't

01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:12.460
in Old World now, they're probably not coming

01:52:12.460 --> 01:52:18.899
back. So there might be a few they could take

01:52:18.899 --> 01:52:20.520
some inspiration from. They could bring back

01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:26.159
the Zotes. But they... I don't think there's

01:52:26.159 --> 01:52:29.140
much they would bring back. But at least in Total

01:52:29.140 --> 01:52:31.859
War, they are quite fun to play. Because it was

01:52:31.859 --> 01:52:33.960
interesting that this was such a highly requested

01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:36.460
topic. And I'm like, is it a beastman effect

01:52:36.460 --> 01:52:39.720
of the fans who really like Wood Elves have been

01:52:39.720 --> 01:52:41.600
so downtrodden in the last few years and they've

01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:43.819
gotten nothing? They are so zealous. I'm like,

01:52:43.899 --> 01:52:45.460
can we have Wood Elves? Can we have Wood Elves?

01:52:45.460 --> 01:52:47.180
Because it's like, they're not getting it from

01:52:47.180 --> 01:52:52.520
GW. Yeah. I have a feeling it might be some of

01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:54.989
that. Especially because even when they were

01:52:54.989 --> 01:52:57.829
first introduced in Total War, they did not play

01:52:57.829 --> 01:53:01.529
how isolationist wood elves should. Because before

01:53:01.529 --> 01:53:03.649
their rework, you were encouraged to build a

01:53:03.649 --> 01:53:07.069
massive continent -spanning empire, which is

01:53:07.069 --> 01:53:11.210
not what wood elves really do. Because there

01:53:11.210 --> 01:53:13.489
were certain resources you need that, without

01:53:13.489 --> 01:53:17.390
them, you couldn't build certain units. In fact,

01:53:17.390 --> 01:53:19.750
because the roster is split between the tree

01:53:19.750 --> 01:53:22.090
people, like the tree spirits, the forest spirits,

01:53:22.170 --> 01:53:25.529
and the elves, you would pick Orion. And without

01:53:25.529 --> 01:53:28.130
this resource, you couldn't build trees. Or you'd

01:53:28.130 --> 01:53:30.470
pick Durthu. And without the resource, you couldn't

01:53:30.470 --> 01:53:35.890
build elves. Oh. So it was kind of shit at first.

01:53:36.890 --> 01:53:40.789
But they did eventually rework the faction to

01:53:40.789 --> 01:53:44.090
be infinitely less awful. They weren't even awful.

01:53:44.270 --> 01:53:46.140
It was just like... it didn't make sense how

01:53:46.140 --> 01:53:49.399
you should be playing. They added new features.

01:53:49.539 --> 01:53:52.460
They made it a lot less awful. They made it better.

01:53:52.720 --> 01:53:55.979
At least in Total War, wood elves are a firm

01:53:55.979 --> 01:54:00.500
recommend. In the old world, they're a soft recommend.

01:54:01.220 --> 01:54:03.640
If you like the wood elves, you will still like

01:54:03.640 --> 01:54:06.560
them. With the fair warning, if you have no new

01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:09.979
models, a lot of your models are metal or resin.

01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:17.039
And a lot of your models didn't come back. Yeesh.

01:54:17.460 --> 01:54:21.260
Oh, well. So hopefully we'll get a bit of love

01:54:21.260 --> 01:54:23.079
for the wood elves in the old world. But we'll

01:54:23.079 --> 01:54:25.340
have to wait and see. We'll have to see. But

01:54:25.340 --> 01:54:27.979
if nothing else, they are back, which I can appreciate.

01:54:28.659 --> 01:54:32.359
Yeah. And you never know. Do they have any books

01:54:32.359 --> 01:54:34.899
or lore? Or are they just kind of on the sidelines

01:54:34.899 --> 01:54:38.359
again? They're definitely a lot more of a sideline

01:54:38.359 --> 01:54:41.739
faction. They've obviously got a, you know. They're

01:54:41.739 --> 01:54:44.100
at Arby. So they've got their CODIS lore and

01:54:44.100 --> 01:54:48.140
stuff like that. Orion has a trilogy. Oh, nice.

01:54:48.300 --> 01:54:51.279
So hey, there's that. There's Guardians of the

01:54:51.279 --> 01:54:53.699
Forest by Graham McNeil. So that's probably a

01:54:53.699 --> 01:54:56.659
good book, admittedly. Old reliable Graham McNeil.

01:54:56.659 --> 01:54:58.020
Yeah, old reliable. He's done a bajillion books.

01:54:59.579 --> 01:55:00.939
Sorry, I was just going to say, like, whenever

01:55:00.939 --> 01:55:03.140
you see Graham McNeil, you're like, ah, this

01:55:03.140 --> 01:55:05.140
is like the guy you bring in to, like, inject

01:55:05.140 --> 01:55:07.279
some life into a faction. Like, oh, they have

01:55:07.279 --> 01:55:10.399
no law? Graham, come on, write us a book. Okay.

01:55:10.460 --> 01:55:13.060
It is admittedly, you know, it follows a Bretonnian

01:55:13.060 --> 01:55:17.880
knight. But, you know, he's an Athel Loren. So,

01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:24.359
a lot of wood elves around it. This is, I mean,

01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:28.220
like I said, it's a Graham McNeil book. So, can't

01:55:28.220 --> 01:55:30.319
be that bad. They don't have that many elves

01:55:30.319 --> 01:55:33.260
because as much as the elves in Warhammer Fantasy

01:55:33.260 --> 01:55:35.140
and AOS are definitely treated better than the

01:55:35.140 --> 01:55:38.199
ones in space, most of that attention goes towards

01:55:38.199 --> 01:55:40.420
like the high elves and the dark elves, which

01:55:40.420 --> 01:55:43.020
to be fair, a lot of the things about the wood

01:55:43.020 --> 01:55:46.079
elves is like their insane, mystical, like fey

01:55:46.079 --> 01:55:49.000
nature. You start writing books and explaining

01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:52.100
that, it does lose some of that edge. And to

01:55:52.100 --> 01:55:54.539
be fair, the most important characters are the

01:55:54.539 --> 01:55:57.659
trees and the god. avatars, I guess you'd call

01:55:57.659 --> 01:56:01.779
them, of, like, elder gods. Although, I suppose,

01:56:01.899 --> 01:56:04.399
what's her name from Vermintide has been, like,

01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:06.720
I assume when she was, like, out, that was like,

01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:09.579
oh, cool, we get, like, an insight of a POV character.

01:56:09.739 --> 01:56:11.180
That's kind of interesting. That's a bit of a

01:56:11.180 --> 01:56:14.220
shot in the arm for the wood elves. Her dialogue

01:56:14.220 --> 01:56:16.039
gives you some little nuggets of information

01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:19.119
every now and again, including making fun of

01:56:19.119 --> 01:56:21.500
Marcus Kruber in his Grail Knight form, both

01:56:21.500 --> 01:56:23.880
for his shitty accent he's trying to do and...

01:56:25.100 --> 01:56:27.140
pointedly going did you look at the lady of the

01:56:27.140 --> 01:56:30.600
lake's ears when she blessed you marcus oh dear

01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:34.399
so even she knows of course you do then have

01:56:34.399 --> 01:56:36.619
to accept that for the entire run you're going

01:56:36.619 --> 01:56:44.220
to be hearing lamba foot oh dear wow That was

01:56:44.220 --> 01:56:47.119
good fun. We've now covered the Wood Elves. So

01:56:47.119 --> 01:56:48.699
that's the Wood Elves, and we've done the High

01:56:48.699 --> 01:56:51.199
Elves. We haven't done an episode yet on the

01:56:51.199 --> 01:56:54.659
Dark Elves. Other than Age of Sigmar, is there

01:56:54.659 --> 01:56:57.520
anyone we've missed with the Elves now? The Dark

01:56:57.520 --> 01:57:01.520
Elves? That's most of the Elves. That's the big

01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:06.239
heavy hitters. There's a couple Elves that live

01:57:06.239 --> 01:57:08.319
in human cities and can be found elsewhere, but

01:57:08.319 --> 01:57:09.939
those are usually offshoots of one of the other

01:57:09.939 --> 01:57:13.699
Elves. So they're not their own thing. Well,

01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:17.779
that was good. Let us know, folks, what you'd

01:57:17.779 --> 01:57:19.739
like us to talk about next in Warhammer Fantasy.

01:57:19.979 --> 01:57:22.460
We have seen a few suggestions. I think recently

01:57:22.460 --> 01:57:24.159
there's been a resurgence of interest in the

01:57:24.159 --> 01:57:27.020
Chaos Dwarves for some reason, for whatever reason.

01:57:27.520 --> 01:57:30.800
I think there might have been a hint. I read

01:57:30.800 --> 01:57:33.199
this online in some tweet or something, so this

01:57:33.199 --> 01:57:36.680
is like third -hand knowledge I'm getting. But

01:57:36.680 --> 01:57:39.640
there was some hint, maybe some Chaos Dwarves

01:57:39.640 --> 01:57:42.880
are coming. to a release sometime soon which

01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:46.539
would yeah if i see chaos dwarfs in the old world

01:57:46.539 --> 01:57:49.260
i'm gonna go nuts and to be fair they were added

01:57:49.260 --> 01:57:51.439
a while ago in total i remember when they were

01:57:51.439 --> 01:57:53.739
added to total warhammer 3 yeah and everyone

01:57:53.739 --> 01:57:57.439
was like yes chaos dwarves i'm like oh cool chaos

01:57:57.439 --> 01:57:59.640
dwarves are a thing interesting so maybe then

01:57:59.640 --> 01:58:02.319
maybe someone else will see um but let us know

01:58:02.319 --> 01:58:04.199
in the comments what you'd like us to cover next

01:58:04.199 --> 01:58:08.220
um and until then we hope you enjoyed today's

01:58:08.220 --> 01:58:11.069
episode and we'll see you later folks Bye -bye.