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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,

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it's Lore Crimes! Yay! Happy 10th anniversary

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to Age of Sigmar. And to mark the occasion, and

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we definitely planned this, we have a special

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guest today. Who's this chappy in the middle?

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Who's this? Hello, who are you? Hello, my name

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is Rob. Oh, his name is Rob. Rob, hello, Rob.

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Welcome to War Crimes. Rob of The Honest Wargamer,

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and also just this last week or so, The Honest

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Heresy, which is also a channel. So there's lots

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of cool stuff you guys can check out. Indeed.

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But, Hal, what are we talking about today? Tabletop

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Boys. Oh, I can let the hate flow. Everyone's

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ready to go. We asked everyone, again, check

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out our Discord because the brilliant people

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over in there, you beautiful old criminals, we

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asked you for, again, it's another episode of

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We Listen and We Don't Judge, but we listened

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and we asked for tabletop hot takes. This could

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be from anything to do with the tabletop at the

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moment. I even asked people to share your horror

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stories if you need to, get it off your chest.

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I mean, I will let it speak for itself, really,

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though. So we've got quite a few to go through,

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though. And again, really appreciate you guys

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for putting your responses there. If you want

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to possibly have their answer featured in another

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episode in the future, obviously join the Discord.

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Please do. I think we're near 1 ,000 or something.

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We're near 1 ,000. Pretty good. Not too bad for

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only a few months. Appreciate you guys. Appreciate

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also the massive amount of pictures making fun

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of our hairlines. Quite a few of those. Every

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single week. Appreciate the hairline disses.

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That's been particularly aggressive. and the

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guy who's making my face snaps in every single

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piece of Warhammer art that is ever made. That

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gets to be a really cool ongoing segment for

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all of you, it seems. Yeah. I saw one recently

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where it was me and Colin as Porus and the Emperor

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fighting each other. And then there was one where

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it was a Genestealer cult and every one of them

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was Eli and then one of them was Colin. There's

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some fun stuff in there. Lots of memes. Also,

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speaking of memes, I played Total War Hammer

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for the first time. You can watch my mid -game

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play. Anyway, I tried my best. So, I've had a

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quick peek at some of the ones we've... pad uh

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did you want to start us off how with the uh

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the the first hot take yes i do uh this one's

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pretty nice and easy because this is from another

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fellow warhammer creator though uh mr gaming

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storyteller dutch himself uh his first hot take

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was that if a rule has more than five sentences

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i ain't reading all that i'm sorry that happened

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or i'm happy for you Which is crazy. This guy

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hates flavor. This man would never play the old

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world. This guy hates intricacy. I think it puts

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a lot of people off, to be fair. Doesn't it?

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I would say... Not my problem! That's why books

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are lame. Too many words. That's why famously

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books suck. I can't read. I listen to audiobooks.

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That's how I do my videos. A pop -up book would

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be cool. He's mad. Is he mad at? The Emperor.

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Poor, you know, horror's looking absolutely,

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you know, innocent and, like, handsome in one

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start of the book and then absolutely jacked

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and evil at the end of the book. I'm not sure.

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As most Warhammer things, it's not appropriate

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for kids. But as a grown man, we'll be buying

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Warhammer things. Warhammer Kids is right there.

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And apparently, according to Mr. Bones, quite

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dark in places. Like, oh, and this character

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died. Well, yeah, a kid gets a... Evaporated

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by a Necron. They don't show it, but he's on

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page one. One panel, he's on page. The next,

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he's just gone. Visibly getting electrocuted

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in between, I think. Can you spell vivisection?

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Okay. The world today on Sesame Street is atomized.

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Well, that is pretty dark. Speaking of kind of

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something similar to that, the next one was by

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Frag, who says... You don't have to know the

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lore to enjoy the tabletop. That's true. I mean,

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how would people feel about this one? I'm pretty

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confident. It's true. It's true, but Warhammer

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isn't actually that good of a game system. So

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if you don't know the lore, it's not that great,

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in my opinion. And you can just go play other

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games that are better. It's still fun. The lore

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is what really makes it good for me, though.

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What's your general... How much Warhammer lore

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knowledge would you say you have? Me? Yeah, Rob.

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Sorry, I missed my name. I would say, depending

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on the system, above an average person's amount

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of lore, but below all of you. significantly

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well i mean we unfortunately you say that but

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like you could probably top me but i would say

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that like i know literally nothing about age

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of sigma and the only reason i know anything

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about fantasy which is not much is because of

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colin but i'll say that i know most of the stuff

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about 40k so i even in like warhammer is like

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a blanket term some people like i'm kind of an

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age of sigma fan or i'm a warhammer 40k fan or

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there or there are these people who also like

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necromunda and i'm like i have no idea about

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necromunda but i know everything else in 40k

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so like there's all sorts of supremacy Would

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you say, Rob, knowing more law makes you a better

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painter, though? Yes, absolutely. I'd actually

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say that really helps for you to identify your

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dudes. I think one of the interesting things

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about rules and the law is you obviously want

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some like ludonarrative harmony if it's possible

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to achieve, but it really is dependent on like

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how complex. the system is trying to simulate.

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It depends, actually. One of the things I think

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is most interesting in most of the game systems

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games which are produced, they don't actually

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ever give you an intentional, like, goal. Like,

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is this meant to be like a light interface with

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lore and the setting a la 40K and Age of Sigmar?

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Or is it meant to be like a, you know, like an

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almost simulation representation of an attempted

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battle, i .e. the heresy and the old world or

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is it actually just meant to be because you're

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a freak like necrobunda like we don't know uh

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so like it's interesting i think everyone gets

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their own thing out of what what any of the game

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systems could be but i think the law does make

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it better um for sure like that's why i play

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the games i would think i'd even add on to that

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and say something like particularly with like

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a lot of the 40k or even most armies like again

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there's like you have there's a reason why people

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design painting schemes as like this is an army

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painting scheme because you've got to do a lot

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of the same guys you look exactly the same but

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if you have things like war cry or kill teams

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knowing more law means you can actually like

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make your guy like a bit different or specialize

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people actually add on you know like a lot of

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if you don't know about certain things with chaos,

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you can't necessarily chaos up your, you know,

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night laws, war band or something like that,

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or like little things. I think law, it definitely

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helps, but I do agree with the, um, original

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comment. You don't have to know law, but it,

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I mean, it really, it brings like a, I mean,

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what was it? Andy, you said like a while ago,

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like a lot of people have, um, use their stuff,

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like no, like correct markings or like certain,

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like some people do want miniatures to be like,

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properly accurate i all my like legion and chapter

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stuff it's like this goes on this kneecap and

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this goes here and it's this color scheme but

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like how has anyone ever even heard of someone

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being like uh sorry you're you're you're like

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heavy bolter guys aren't actually there and they've

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got the wrong tactical marking on their shoulder

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they shouldn't be in the thing like has there

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ever ever anyone been like that nitpicky about

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the law and the tabletop or is that it should

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be i'm sure someone has said that but then they

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also have no friends so like also the law law

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makes a mistake sometimes as well like so for

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instance right now in age of sigma archion with

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his sword the slayer of kings famous through

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all of fantasy is rend one but a black coat that's

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not right literally a ghost a ghost cart with

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a wheel the wheel is rend two Knowing the law

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makes it worse for me in that situation. Undead

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stay winning. Another vampire. Sword so blunt

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you should use it for a horse and carriage. Wow.

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I guess a lot of things. To make a balanced game,

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the law is not balanced. Because space means

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me winning everything. Yeah, it would be like...

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The Eldar would have a movement speed of, like,

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the table. The Space Marines just don't die.

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I think someone made a lore -accurate Space Marine

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Army one. They made the rule, yeah. It was, like,

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300 points for a tactical Marine. And then when

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they are winning, it's like, oh, Leagues of Wotan

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are winning, like, on release. Ah, stop that.

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We don't want to make more of those. Put them

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on the burner. Other way around, though, the

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faction can have literally no lore. like the

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leagues of otan all right model range it looks

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good but like then you have to learn about leagues

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of otan law and then you almost want to give

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up on life so it's almost like is it not good

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that was number one leagues it's not there It

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is not there. Every Leagues of Wotan release

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is another release that isn't a Primaris Lieutenant,

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so we need them. I'll have you know they have

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a... Pardon me, a Thousand Sons failure guy.

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Bro, we got a crappy robot thing. Already in

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pain. Hey, you could be a Grey Knights player.

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Yeah, for real. Moving on to the next one, again.

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I appreciate everyone. Thank you so much for

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commenting. This is where it gets a bit more

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like people have things to say. Yeah. Okay. Big

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one. Yeah. Next one's by a trash Fox, uh, comma,

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uh, DGN or DGN, uh, tabletop hot take space wolves

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are cooler than half the legions because at least

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Vikings is a theme you can flesh out more than.

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you know, in quotes, oh, we're so stoic and good

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at building, obviously a massive shout out to

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Imperial Fists. Alright, alright. One of these

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days people will care about the Imperial Fists.

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Or, we sure do love stealth, even though we're

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walking tanks in power armor. And he's like,

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I'm not even a Space Wolf enjoyer that much.

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Also, Wolfen get... too much of a bad rep for

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one shite series of sculpts werewolf marines

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is a cool and absurd concept for 40k that just

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fits as well as blood angels uh and then there's

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another one is like we're vampires and drinks

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blood because we crave it also for some reason

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have a second gene seed defect because psycho

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echo yada yada uh there's been plenty of shite

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first drafts for warhammer art and one good new

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drawing or sculpt could give me the werewolf

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marines i crave Also, werewolf dreadnought is

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a stupid awesome thing. Motorfang sweeps. Tabletop

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-ish at least, mainly from the model aesthetic

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aside. This guy's so real. This guy's the realest

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lore criminal on the planet. Bless you. God bless

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you. What I never understood is space marines,

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if you're a human and a space marine lands from

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the sky, that's quite scary. I don't think that

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if you have a bat on your shoulder pad, it makes

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you more scary. It doesn't make me more scared.

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I'm like, I'm already scared. You're a freak

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who's landed from the heavens. Like the bat is

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actually pretty normal. He crashes down and then

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blank stare. And then he goes, ooga booga. And

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then you run away. Yeah, yeah. Poor fellas. I

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mean, there's like, it kind of draws down to

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like a common thing of like, man, they really

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do be borrowing lore from everything else except

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its own thing. The idea of original in Warhammer

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is probably taboo in some sense. It's such a

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mishmash that it becomes original because it's

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everything. It's literally... Imagine every ingredient

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in your kitchen and throw it in the pot and it

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somehow came out good. But definitely, I would

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say... Is that the Three Stooges legal defense?

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If there's too many lawsuits going through the

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door, they can't get through. I mean, how do

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people feel about Wolfen, though? That's a particular

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thing brought up in the... I mean, I hate to

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bring up the lore side of it, because it just

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still bugs me. Check out our Ragnar episode if

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you want to have a full thing, but they're not

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called Wolfen because they look like werewolves.

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They're called Wolfen because when Primarch Leman

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Russ was like, hey, that's all, you know, the

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Emperors arrived, let's all become space wolves.

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There was one sadistic, betraying general called

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Wolfen, and because he had evil in his heart,

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he turned into a wolf. Is that what happened?

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The Arkham Land thing. Yeah, that's really what

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happened. He was just called Wolfen. But the

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actual, like, gene defect Wolfen stuff is cool.

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Hmm. Sure. Werewolf Space Marines are pretty

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cool, but their models sure do suck. And we can

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all agree furries are cool. Yeah. Well, the thing

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is, the only thing about Wolfen, though, we've

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just had a refresh for Space Wolves. Are we going

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to get new Wolfen models? Ignore that. We were

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on a bit of drugs. Don't worry about that. They're

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still kind of new, at least for a... someone

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like me, 7th edition doesn't feel like it was

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that long ago. They were certainly a mistake.

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When you were a child? Well, I was probably like

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16 or 17. It was only a decade. Yeah. I don't

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know. I just don't like the wolves. The only

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trouble is that like... Sorry. I don't know.

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I have little meaningful input because I just

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don't like the wolves. They're not... They're

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not fun Vikings. There's so much you can do with

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Vikings. Wolf. I don't know. I'm not the biggest

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fan. Do people prefer heresy scheme or 40k scheme?

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40k. Heresy is just great. It's unpainted models,

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bro. For Space Wolves? Yeah, do you prefer heresy

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scheme or... all right i i dig that because obviously

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there's like the like the red accents and a lot

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of their markings as well and i think it's like

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a full army set i think it looks better but i'm

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aware like this the newer sculpts for like like

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logan grim now like all the current space wall

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stuff does look pretty damn good some of those

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heresy models you could be looking short and

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stout i think the 40k paint scheme fits better

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in uh in like a snowing environment paints it

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up and there's like yeah and the red moors look

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awesome with like the the bloody helmet design

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they're like look at me i like eating i love

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i love the wolf helmet i love the wolf by the

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way no no okay i remember the horse heresy one

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sucking but the 40k ones i still love them The

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only thing is, with the whole theme stuff, there

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are some really cool ones. I like the Celestial

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Lines, where it's overt African culture influence.

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But there's such an obscure chapter, you never

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see any of that. But then you'll have something

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like Space Wars, where it's like, ah, Vikings.

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Cool. Can we have more stuff on this weird, obscure

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chapter that has cool stuff that they don't tap

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into? And they're like, nah. Nah. No, they don't

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sell too good. What do you do? for for rob like

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do you when you do like kitbash like do you do

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kitbash like much like generally with like if

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you're doing space marines or anything like that

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have you done that before uh yes uh i have just

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i'm actually building a heresy army now for the

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for the launch of the new edition so i'm super

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excited about that and i'm doing a bunch of mark

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3 excited for doing some mark 2 And I'm really

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enjoying the Build -A -Bear. Like, oh, this one's

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going to get a power sword. This one's going

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to have a gun. So I'm really enjoying that element

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of it. And I'm really enjoying the granularity

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of being able to do that in the Heresy versus

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if you were to try and do that in... Because

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it doesn't really matter what you have in 40k

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or AOS at the moment. And in Old World, it matters.

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But, you know... A dude on a dragon can have

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whatever he wants, so it's fine. When you've

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got a dragon, all bets are off. Have a shotgun,

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why not? I haven't played Old World, but I played

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Old Fantasy, but my friend plays it and he really

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likes the generic magic items that you can model

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onto your models, like you can put an orc on

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a flying carpet or something like that. That

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sounds very fun. Yeah, well, generic banners

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is super fun. Like, that's really, really cool.

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I wish we had more banners generally across all

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game systems, especially. And also, like, I'm

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sure all of you know much better than me, but

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I'm sure there are a bunch of, like, really famous

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weapons, guns, armors, and it would be fun to

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have them as kits that you could buy. Yeah, you

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mean you don't want every Chaos Space Marine

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to have a cursed weapon one and a cursed weapon

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two? You want this thing to be actually interesting?

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Unbelievable. oh brother um i'm so i it's within

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my soul that i wish to have a heresy army but

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i just the wallet is not willing i already have

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two 40k armies um but it's the um in thousand

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suns in like from the law side of it there's

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a character called sanact who he has two copesh's

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and like i think one is like a jackal head silver

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pommel and the other one's like a golden and

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like marble inlay and i'm like It'd be so cool

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to have things like specialized weapons on characters

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and things like that. I mean, I think 40k ones,

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you can only really think of people kind of like

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chapter masters or something. There's like Logan

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Grimnaw is the only one I can really think of,

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which is like, that's utterly unique to him.

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Whereas a lot of them are just like, oh, glad

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he is. Although there is that poor example of

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the Votan model that's like a commemorative store

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anniversary one. And you can't use it on the

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tabletop anymore because they updated them in

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10th edition and his loadout is not possible.

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It's like, oh, thanks. This brand new miniature

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that's like less than a year old, I can't use

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on my arm anymore. You pranked. Whoops. So comical.

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So comical. Lucius' lair blade looks pretty sexy

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in his model. yeah i'd love to see more of that

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like but i've been building some dudes and it's

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super fun like having all the weapon options

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it'd be fun to see relics and stuff as something

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you can actually purchase and give to someone

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especially if you themed them around the the

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legion slash chapters that would be great that's

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how the game used to be was it in ninth eli where

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like you could almost design your own kind of

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hq i mean when it would that was from like that

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was in sixth and seventh and ninth and they just

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eradicated all things related to work here in

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10th edition i was kind of in fifth edition too

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i think that's when i started but yeah i was

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kind of absent in eighth they made the game a

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little bit good again in ninth and then they

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decided that they didn't like doing that in 10th

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so well uh speaking of more hot takes so we and

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we have another one by actual vulcan who says

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my hot take is gw's lack of any official practice

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spaces for the game So if you don't know how

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to play or work with the stat sheet, they do

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work with the stat sheet. They do offer it to

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younger child and then players and occasionally

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hold events. But when you're someone like me,

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God, I'm flubbing this up. I'm literally terrible

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at this. Like me, who doesn't have a play group

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and is trying to find a space to learn the tabletop

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side of this hobby and finding actually nothing

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from the official company who boasts in a...

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come and play attitude in brackets at least in

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my area it's honestly deflating because it's

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so hard to insert yourself into whether it's

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tournaments official games or narrative play

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with experienced players and you're sitting at

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the side trying to find a way to play a newbie

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game i know um there are ways to do it with community

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spaces or tabletop sim but gw lacks of a learn

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to wait of a learn to play experience system

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for older players it's draining brackets especially

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if you have a new person or new person who has

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anxieties it's a very fair point i mean and how

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much does people play the tabletop here like

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amongst i mean obviously i think eli is probably

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the most experienced well i've probably played

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it the most nowadays though you probably play

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more than me i didn't play necrons yesterday

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though i won 90 to 33 by the way but anyways

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i think it's a fair i think that's a fair uh

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thing to say but it is Kind of just on your local

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game store to set that stuff up. Although, Rob,

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you would have some great insight to this, I'm

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sure, as a man who plays a game or two. Yeah,

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I run an event space. I actually run tournaments.

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I'm running a tournament tomorrow. I ran a tournament

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last weekend. I run a tournament every weekend,

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actually. I played last weekend. Actually, I

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am most famous for being a painter. Sorry, but

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actually... Everything I create is about how

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to play the games. So this is like my thing.

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And do that for AOS Old World and now Heresy,

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which is cool. Games Workshop don't make any

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money from you learning how to play. In fact,

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they don't actually even care if you play. yeah

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they don't yeah yeah like that's easy if you

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don't yeah yeah it's easy if you don't because

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then you don't bring up any issues to them um

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and so the hot take that they should do it is

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great but also we live in a terrible society

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where money is the only real factor and if it

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doesn't make them money why would they do it

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but on the community front of the hobby front

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like getting people to play games is actually

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super rewarding but not necessarily i mean i

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could go into this for probably 12 hours but

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like um like we don't pay enough for events as

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an example or even to play like you'll be like

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i'm gonna play the local hobby store it's five

00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:08.240
pounds to book the table for the evening i need

00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.460
you to know you're just stealing off that person

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That's just theft. That's outrageous. I don't

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know where you could go in the world nowadays

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where you could pay £5 for a tea. A coffee is

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£5. A beer is £5. It's more than £5 in London.

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£6 .30. I don't know where in the world you could

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spend that money. There's actually a really weird

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situation where people will spend a lot of money

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on a model. like they'll happily buy x amount

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or a book or whatever it might be but then to

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to play the game they won't spend money or time

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or resources to do it which is super weird like

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it's really weird i don't really know what the

00:24:47.910 --> 00:24:50.049
answer is there i think it's i'm not sure what

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the answer is i'm thinking it could also be like

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from someone whose gaming circle went from two

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people to about six in the last like year or

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two it's also quite a bit of a There is a learning

00:25:03.869 --> 00:25:05.349
curve because obviously it's not, this is not

00:25:05.349 --> 00:25:07.470
just an even, you know, it's not chess. This

00:25:07.470 --> 00:25:10.069
is more complicated than a lot, you know, just

00:25:10.069 --> 00:25:13.750
normal game. Obviously one of the biggest barriers

00:25:13.750 --> 00:25:19.849
entries often with new people is that you often,

00:25:19.910 --> 00:25:22.269
again, like, like the commenter said, like it

00:25:22.269 --> 00:25:24.750
makes a good point. There's often a bunch of

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people who is like, they need someone who's like

00:25:26.890 --> 00:25:29.369
willing to train you up in some way or like at

00:25:29.369 --> 00:25:33.210
least work it out with you. and it's quite difficult

00:25:33.210 --> 00:25:37.349
to find people that are like i get it it's like

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it's like it's like the new kid on like the first

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day at school or something but then you also

00:25:42.230 --> 00:25:44.089
like you don't you've not been there for like

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the whole semester or whatever like it does feel

00:25:46.329 --> 00:25:48.609
like you're a bit behind But I promise you, a

00:25:48.609 --> 00:25:51.250
lot of the time, the intimidation factor is way

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worse than the actual thing. I'm sure Rob can

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attest to this. People generally are so gassed

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to even have someone playing Warhammer with you

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that they'll be willing to go and teach you.

00:26:04.609 --> 00:26:07.390
I promise you, if one of my friends said, I'm

00:26:07.390 --> 00:26:08.670
going to teach you how to play Warhammer, I would

00:26:08.670 --> 00:26:13.609
immediately jump out of my seat. Someone to maybe

00:26:13.609 --> 00:26:19.599
regularly play this damn game with. In my city,

00:26:19.700 --> 00:26:23.799
the local gaming store does learn -to -play days

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for certain games. Also, it has a Facebook group.

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You can just go on the Facebook group and say,

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I've never played a game. I'd like to learn Warhammer.

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Would anyone like to teach me? Then someone will

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reply and say, yes, I would like to teach you.

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Then you just show up at the given time. they

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also have a rule book to be fair you can just

00:26:47.740 --> 00:26:50.099
read the rule book or watch youtube videos but

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it is a lot easier to learn in person like especially

00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.160
with like i know people often i have a hot take

00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:57.339
i probably should have said at the beginning

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but like um people's like i know people often

00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.980
complain a lot about 10th but i promise you from

00:27:03.980 --> 00:27:05.920
someone who's had to teach like four or five

00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:10.259
people in like this current edition i can't i

00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:11.759
would never been able to do that in previous

00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:14.539
editions like to the level like you know i didn't

00:27:14.539 --> 00:27:17.839
get them up to speed as i have done now it is

00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:21.740
again this edition is for newbie players like

00:27:21.740 --> 00:27:25.119
so it's obviously not perfect for everybody but

00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.960
i promise you it's so and even someone who like

00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:30.579
plays the game like people who have played it

00:27:30.579 --> 00:27:33.720
a lot still get the rules wrong well like you

00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:35.880
don't remember all your pieces do like it just

00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.700
you're not gonna no one's that good at the game

00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:41.700
necessarily like all the time like even people

00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:43.339
who you literally play like probably like every

00:27:43.339 --> 00:27:46.799
week or something they still do silly mistakes

00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.160
like because it's there's so much going on so

00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.779
don't feel bad about not being like oh i'm gonna

00:27:51.779 --> 00:27:54.079
mess up but it's like it's okay because it's

00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:56.920
just a game it's not that serious like it's just

00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:59.619
what happened it's fun i have a i have a take

00:27:59.619 --> 00:28:03.660
uh i learned warhammer when i was 10 years old

00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:07.940
and it was fine i learned from playing with my

00:28:07.940 --> 00:28:10.859
other 10 year old friend in the old complicated

00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:14.940
editions and it was fine i was a 10 year old

00:28:14.940 --> 00:28:19.859
child and i figured it out caveat caveat because

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i'm an old man these days i grew up playing the

00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:26.359
pokemon trading card game and at my school i

00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:28.140
was the only one who knew how to play because

00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:30.259
most of the guys i knew would be like Oh, mate,

00:28:30.380 --> 00:28:32.640
I got Charizard. That means I win because it's

00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.619
120 damage. Actually, no, you need fire energy

00:28:35.619 --> 00:28:37.579
cards to use that. You need four. I was like,

00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.500
shut up, nerd. So, like, I understand your point,

00:28:41.539 --> 00:28:44.059
but also there is a caveat where some people

00:28:44.059 --> 00:28:46.660
are like, like me, I'm trying to play Total Warhammer.

00:28:46.779 --> 00:28:50.779
It's not going well. Can you tell? I wasn't good

00:28:50.779 --> 00:28:54.200
at the game. Because I can just go and just punch

00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:57.599
things. So, like, that's... I guess that's the

00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.579
dichotomy of a tabletop game like any Warhammer

00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:03.420
game. There's density of rules. There's always

00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:06.599
a precipice to cover where you have to know this

00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:09.859
much to enter. And if it's quite steep, a lot

00:29:09.859 --> 00:29:12.359
of people will be like, oh, that's a lot of rules.

00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.900
Yeah, I think you could always start really small

00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:18.759
with Warhammer, though. Like the box sets that

00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.059
they made. The old box sets that were two factions

00:29:22.059 --> 00:29:24.859
fighting. were designed for you to teach yourself

00:29:24.859 --> 00:29:26.559
and learn the game and they were like pretty

00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.140
like i said i was a 10 year old child and we

00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:30.900
played assault on black reach and maybe we didn't

00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:32.599
do it that well but we still figured it out by

00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:35.619
ourselves and we can you just like go up and

00:29:35.619 --> 00:29:37.200
up and up from there you don't start with a 2000

00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.799
point army because back then the game was designed

00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:43.869
to play at any points level and be fun but i

00:29:43.869 --> 00:29:45.809
don't think it's that the most the most common

00:29:45.809 --> 00:29:48.250
question i get asked uh when i because i stream

00:29:48.250 --> 00:29:51.210
monday to friday uh about just playing the game

00:29:51.210 --> 00:29:53.109
about different game systems most common question

00:29:53.109 --> 00:29:54.710
i get asked all the time is like hey what's good

00:29:54.710 --> 00:30:00.440
and i'm always like not you like that because

00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:05.339
it takes a lot of work and effort uh i was in

00:30:05.339 --> 00:30:07.779
i had a really funny moment i was in sweden covering

00:30:07.779 --> 00:30:10.119
an event uh like live streaming one of the events

00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:12.099
and the swedish guys that flew me over they said

00:30:12.099 --> 00:30:14.759
um they said rob what does it take to be good

00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:24.819
at warhammer rob uh how do you i can't do it

00:30:24.819 --> 00:30:27.059
um they were asking me said what was it what's

00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:29.619
it take good to do to be good at warhammer and

00:30:29.619 --> 00:30:31.880
i've covered multiple like international world

00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:33.880
championships like live stream them and stuff

00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.440
um and so i feel like i've got a good read on

00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:37.880
this and i said well to be good at warhammer

00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.259
um you just have to read a lot practice a lot

00:30:41.259 --> 00:30:44.319
play a lot and try really hard to be great at

00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.220
warhammer you have to be mentally unwell Like,

00:30:48.220 --> 00:30:51.619
just like if you want to be a YouTuber. Hello,

00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:57.019
folks. Segway. Family, friends, nada. Like, do

00:30:57.019 --> 00:30:58.519
you wake up in the morning and that's all you

00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:00.640
think about? Do you go to sleep at night? I know

00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.940
people who don't sleep because they're thinking

00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:06.259
about the match in the morning. That's not okay.

00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.299
Do you do that? No. Then just relax. Just have

00:31:11.299 --> 00:31:14.670
fun with your guys. It's easy. yeah yeah i think

00:31:14.670 --> 00:31:18.089
it's harder i think it's might maybe at least

00:31:18.089 --> 00:31:20.529
in ninth edition it definitely was this edition

00:31:20.529 --> 00:31:22.470
i'd say it's almost harder to be really good

00:31:22.470 --> 00:31:24.970
at it than it was before because it's less about

00:31:24.970 --> 00:31:28.690
like just making a cool army and like being good

00:31:28.690 --> 00:31:30.509
at that and it's more about just doing homework

00:31:30.509 --> 00:31:32.630
and knowing like every part of the game and every

00:31:32.630 --> 00:31:34.509
mission and every deployment and every stratagem

00:31:34.509 --> 00:31:37.829
and etc like when i did really good in my tournaments

00:31:37.829 --> 00:31:40.990
ninth edition i had to spend hours Hours and

00:31:40.990 --> 00:31:43.190
hours of homework. I couldn't just go out and

00:31:43.190 --> 00:31:45.410
practice the game and be good. I had to learn

00:31:45.410 --> 00:31:48.769
about all the freaking armies, learn my 20 stratagems,

00:31:48.849 --> 00:31:51.869
learn exactly how to play my specific sub -faction

00:31:51.869 --> 00:31:54.970
of the game. Oh my gosh. It takes so much time.

00:31:55.650 --> 00:31:58.250
They lied to you. You bought a box for £100.

00:31:58.589 --> 00:32:01.650
I'm sorry, they lied. That is not easy. Getting

00:32:01.650 --> 00:32:05.009
good almost felt more like practicing math than

00:32:05.009 --> 00:32:08.269
it did actually practicing a game. whereas back

00:32:08.269 --> 00:32:10.329
in the day game of warhammer is like a test like

00:32:10.329 --> 00:32:12.490
oh i hope i know what i'm talking about yeah

00:32:12.490 --> 00:32:15.269
it was more like a math problem the game feels

00:32:15.269 --> 00:32:17.269
a lot more like a math equation now than it ever

00:32:17.269 --> 00:32:20.369
has to me could uh could have talked to girls

00:32:20.369 --> 00:32:26.819
instead of being you know but Should we go for

00:32:26.819 --> 00:32:29.500
the donors, Andy? Yes, we have some donations.

00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.579
So I'll start us off. DonkeyManUSA for five.

00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:34.880
Stream one minute late due to Hal gooning to

00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.720
his Ahriman Mephiston kitbash. Correct. Okay,

00:32:38.980 --> 00:32:41.839
we don't need to see it. We don't need to see

00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:48.019
it. Colin, the time is nigh. Alright, yeah, well,

00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:51.559
look, it's the... fourth fourth yeah see even

00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:53.519
says don't wear a green hat today or you'll be

00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:59.079
put down on the street like a dog what jesus

00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:03.880
what i give you one last week happy trader day

00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:07.920
just for reference to keep you apprised rob uh

00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.160
this particular viewer has been watching the

00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.380
show for the last about two months and every

00:33:12.380 --> 00:33:15.460
week the title of their their channel is colin

00:33:15.460 --> 00:33:18.500
will wear a hat in Eight weeks, seven weeks,

00:33:18.700 --> 00:33:21.400
six weeks, and then last week it hit zero and

00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.200
there was no green hat. So very disappointed

00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:28.940
in Colin. And now the reprisal is due. But thank

00:33:28.940 --> 00:33:33.319
you for the donation. Tom Warren says, I can't

00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:36.000
catch live, but happy Freedom Day, boys. Happy

00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:41.180
July 4th for everyone. Happy Canada Day a few

00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:45.000
days ago. I was specifically for Colin this one,

00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:48.980
I think here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:55.579
I love these messages. Hey, Colin, when are you

00:33:55.579 --> 00:33:57.380
going to do the Thancool video? We need the lore

00:33:57.380 --> 00:34:00.400
of the greatest of the Skaven. Look, it'll get

00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.359
here when it gets here. As with every other video

00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:08.420
I make, it'll happen when it happens. This one

00:34:08.420 --> 00:34:11.019
from Grigorim. I know why. We had 69 viewers

00:34:11.019 --> 00:34:15.079
earlier, so they've donated 699. Very nice. Pretty

00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:20.480
cool. 69. Oh, one of our Discord members. Chaotic

00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:25.619
Noom. Morning, everyone. Each of you will get

00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:27.739
a wedding dress sketch snuck in the Discord very

00:34:27.739 --> 00:34:32.000
soon. Also, Treezy and Oswen, love you all. I

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.150
anticipate the wedding dress sketches. That is

00:34:35.150 --> 00:34:37.969
all I can say. Does tree xenos mean unfallen

00:34:37.969 --> 00:34:41.010
from endless space who? Could I also have hoop

00:34:41.010 --> 00:34:45.289
earrings, please? I like my hoop earrings. I

00:34:45.289 --> 00:34:48.389
love hoop earrings and big glasses. Oh, God.

00:34:49.849 --> 00:34:53.510
Shalaxy's wettest gripper for two Canadian. That

00:34:53.510 --> 00:34:56.630
is a title every time. Five -star person making

00:34:56.630 --> 00:35:02.650
dress pics. Can you add yum thigh? Oh, God. Whoa.

00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.340
oh gosh this is our chat by the way uh rob i

00:35:06.340 --> 00:35:10.119
hope you enjoy it donkey man for two bucks the

00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.420
unhinged howl supercut is 47 minutes going actually

00:35:13.420 --> 00:35:18.059
crazy is it actually saying funny things to premiere

00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:19.800
it on a lore crimes channel when you're doing

00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.460
and it's and it's it's transcending to your channel

00:35:22.460 --> 00:35:25.300
to law crimes to a it's everything you've ever

00:35:25.300 --> 00:35:27.539
said it's it's it's quite impressive to see so

00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:31.380
far the dank apostle thank you for the 14 czar

00:35:31.949 --> 00:35:35.409
GW needs to renew chaos furries. Yeah. Yeah,

00:35:35.469 --> 00:35:40.210
they do. Is that real? Chaos felonies? What?

00:35:40.630 --> 00:35:44.369
Is that just a naughty wolf? I don't know. Thanos.

00:35:45.050 --> 00:35:51.090
Wow. It's actually Thanos. Amazing. Thank you

00:35:51.090 --> 00:35:54.150
for the 15. This money should be going to my

00:35:54.150 --> 00:35:57.269
dying son's medical bills. Jokes on him. I've

00:35:57.269 --> 00:36:00.289
got my priorities in order. Love you all. Love

00:36:00.289 --> 00:36:03.269
you too. Best wishes to your dying son. Hope

00:36:03.269 --> 00:36:04.750
that you find the medical bill. I'm sure he'll

00:36:04.750 --> 00:36:10.289
understand. As someone who's from Wotan, DKK20,

00:36:10.570 --> 00:36:12.949
as someone that's barely played either, AOS is

00:36:12.949 --> 00:36:15.809
better than 40k. Now look, I know it's 10th anniversary

00:36:15.809 --> 00:36:18.909
day, but I will not let this slander go. Correct.

00:36:20.110 --> 00:36:22.610
The game is better. The gateway came in tonight.

00:36:22.730 --> 00:36:25.269
I'm pretty sure AOS now is better than 10th edition

00:36:25.269 --> 00:36:30.059
from what I've heard. Does anyone even like 10th

00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:32.360
edition? Gotta be behind a cash register on the

00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:36.300
4th. Can I get a Blessed Sigma? Colin, that's

00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:38.900
what they do. Oh, you want me to do the Saltzfire

00:36:38.900 --> 00:36:45.820
voice? Yeah. Blessed Sigma. He says, also, hi

00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:48.639
Rob, I like your Battletome reviews, and I now

00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.639
have almost 2 ,000 points of unpainted Soulblight

00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:56.139
in brackets. Such is his power. I did one just

00:36:56.139 --> 00:37:02.269
before I came on the show. Nice. Class laughter

00:37:02.269 --> 00:37:06.130
for 20 bucks. Here is character hot take. Sanguinius

00:37:06.130 --> 00:37:07.889
should have been the second most human Primarch

00:37:07.889 --> 00:37:10.489
with an arc of struggle with his identity, purpose,

00:37:10.610 --> 00:37:12.929
and his own mutation. He should have been a Nietzsche

00:37:12.929 --> 00:37:16.289
-type theme that writers can ride. I don't know

00:37:16.289 --> 00:37:19.980
if... GW can handle Nietzschean subtext in an

00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:24.500
dystopian sense. Oh, no. GW, the guys who called

00:37:24.500 --> 00:37:28.019
a Primark burb, burb. I don't know. I don't know

00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:30.480
if they can handle it. Iron hand, iron hand of

00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.800
the iron hand. This seems a little too high IQ

00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:38.539
for GW writers, unfortunately. Maybe a fanfic.

00:37:39.070 --> 00:37:41.469
Oh, and again. Oh, and another one. Thanks so

00:37:41.469 --> 00:37:44.909
much, man. Sanguinius hot take continued. Sanguinius

00:37:44.909 --> 00:37:46.590
should have had an adoptive mom instead of a

00:37:46.590 --> 00:37:49.469
dad and an adoptive brother who was like Horus

00:37:49.469 --> 00:37:52.269
but died on Baal when Sanguinius liberated it.

00:37:53.190 --> 00:37:56.570
Respectable. Sangmummius. Wow. Sangmummius. Ooh.

00:37:57.070 --> 00:38:01.489
Ooh. Like Gillamum, you know. Thank you for the

00:38:01.489 --> 00:38:05.320
220 TRY. Hello, Light. i figured i thought this

00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:08.679
was there was a shout out sold drinkers one thing

00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.000
yeah i don't that gw would release a model in

00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.340
a box set and just refuse to sell the model as

00:38:13.340 --> 00:38:15.519
its own box so real like i was just thinking

00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.719
about this like obliterators are still stuck

00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:19.940
with that spider and gw just let me buy greater

00:38:19.940 --> 00:38:23.280
possessed i don't want recast yeah it's so real

00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:25.820
i have i seriously obliterators have been in

00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:27.639
that box since eighth edition that's like eight

00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:31.480
years now it's maybe that is oh my gosh that

00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:33.579
is eight years isn't it no not quite not quite

00:38:33.579 --> 00:38:35.579
you will buy a combat patrol if you want one

00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:41.400
of the models yeah poor fellas uh caleb collins

00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:45.059
happy one upping the brits everyone who eu sucks

00:38:45.059 --> 00:38:51.860
yeah baby yeah baby oh dear Ash Fox for five

00:38:51.860 --> 00:38:55.260
bucks. That time again, quick fire smash or pass.

00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:59.480
Centurion smash. Cold Star Battlesuit pass. Wraith

00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:03.300
Lord smash. Shadow Sun's Battlesuit smash. Brackets.

00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:07.960
She's sat in it. Wow. Crazy message. Thank you.

00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:09.820
Is everyone else hearing that in the Dagoth voice

00:39:09.820 --> 00:39:13.940
as well? Every time. Narabar. Would you smash

00:39:13.940 --> 00:39:17.880
or pass? And last one from Set. happy first of

00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.239
65 liberties days thanks uk that's okay mini

00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.500
uk i say mini uk it's like uk 2 .0 you're welcome

00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:32.460
right bro bro my home country it's over it's

00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:35.280
in the uk like in that that ratio it's like you

00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:36.920
could fit it in the uk like a hundred thousand

00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:40.320
times as big silly um your country's this big

00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.840
yeah mine's like um Right, who's doing the next

00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.019
batch of hot takes? Colin, I do have ones that

00:39:50.019 --> 00:39:52.860
are particularly more your vibe. All right, all

00:39:52.860 --> 00:39:59.699
right. Next one is by Nach... Nachioville? Nachtville.

00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:04.179
Nachtville. Is there repeats here? I feel like...

00:40:04.179 --> 00:40:07.739
No, no, never mind. That's just a lot. Yeah.

00:40:09.130 --> 00:40:12.230
probably not really a hot take about GW. Games

00:40:12.230 --> 00:40:14.789
Workshop is a parasocial cult that sells you

00:40:14.789 --> 00:40:19.710
pain in a box. That's real. They aren't a minis

00:40:19.710 --> 00:40:22.869
manufacturer. Good lord, there's a lot of big

00:40:22.869 --> 00:40:26.429
words here. It's a parasitic empire built on

00:40:26.429 --> 00:40:30.449
artificial scarcity, weaponized nostalgia, and

00:40:30.449 --> 00:40:33.489
the ritual exploitation of a masochistic fanbase.

00:40:33.710 --> 00:40:36.449
It doesn't sell models, it sells penises disguised

00:40:36.449 --> 00:40:40.829
as prestige. You should write for 40k. It's not

00:40:40.829 --> 00:40:48.869
even halfway. I know! Write less words! They

00:40:48.869 --> 00:40:50.610
have developed a system where abuse is part of

00:40:50.610 --> 00:40:52.550
the appeal, the prices go up with every release,

00:40:52.690 --> 00:40:54.210
the kits get thinner and thinner, and sometimes

00:40:54.210 --> 00:40:55.989
I have the feeling the rules updates are just

00:40:55.989 --> 00:40:57.809
designed to make your army obsolete before the

00:40:57.809 --> 00:41:00.630
paint dries. You were a beastman player, weren't

00:41:00.630 --> 00:41:05.940
you? They lure you in with cool new models, then

00:41:05.940 --> 00:41:09.579
shift the meta and charge another 200 euros or

00:41:09.579 --> 00:41:12.420
local equivalent to stay viable, and we smile

00:41:12.420 --> 00:41:15.099
through it all. What makes it worse, they know

00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:16.780
exactly what they're doing, and they've convinced

00:41:16.780 --> 00:41:18.960
players that suffering, be it financial, emotional,

00:41:19.179 --> 00:41:21.039
or logistical, is not only normal but necessary.

00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:23.460
We're not buying models, we're buying permission

00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:25.780
to be long, and GW makes sure it always hurts.

00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.480
Good lord. There was a lot of pain in that message.

00:41:30.099 --> 00:41:33.980
That was a real message right there. I think

00:41:33.980 --> 00:41:38.519
James Workshop punched her in the throat. This

00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:41.059
is why you find a couple of friends who want

00:41:41.059 --> 00:41:43.199
to just play 6th edition with you and you just

00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.179
play 6th edition forever and you never worry

00:41:46.179 --> 00:41:49.639
about New Warhammer ever again. You play it once

00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:51.519
every few months with your brother -in -law because

00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.739
he doesn't want to play the old games and that's

00:41:53.739 --> 00:41:56.880
fine. I assume that it boils down to the issue

00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:01.619
is the meta is always changing every two months

00:42:01.619 --> 00:42:04.500
or something, isn't it? Because that's what makes

00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:08.619
you money. So Old World came out 18 months ago,

00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:11.199
and with the exception of the releasing of new

00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.559
army books, which weren't new, they were addendums,

00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.900
if that makes sense, editions in the arcane journals.

00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:22.030
The meta has had a very evolving... play style

00:42:22.030 --> 00:42:23.690
mainly because of two different reasons number

00:42:23.690 --> 00:42:26.489
one production matters a real thing so like if

00:42:26.489 --> 00:42:28.409
i take a lot of infantry and you can't kill that

00:42:28.409 --> 00:42:30.630
you have to build paint and take something that

00:42:30.630 --> 00:42:32.469
kills some of my infantry but games workshop

00:42:32.469 --> 00:42:34.949
have had basically no input in 18 months of a

00:42:34.949 --> 00:42:37.570
game system like outside of releasing some rules

00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:40.289
like but not like the continual cycle that i

00:42:40.289 --> 00:42:41.849
think a lot of people get upset with for 40k

00:42:41.849 --> 00:42:45.369
and age sigma and it has continued to develop

00:42:45.369 --> 00:42:48.429
and change because if a bunch of people around

00:42:48.429 --> 00:42:49.650
me are all running beastmen and they're gonna

00:42:49.650 --> 00:42:52.369
ambush me in the flank well now i'm gonna be

00:42:52.369 --> 00:42:56.190
a bit like i'm gonna do something new that's

00:42:56.190 --> 00:42:59.030
gonna try and stop that from happening and so

00:42:59.030 --> 00:43:01.250
like even the concept that games workshop just

00:43:01.250 --> 00:43:04.730
update them uh is not like that's not the factor

00:43:04.730 --> 00:43:07.909
there's so many actual factors but it's such

00:43:07.909 --> 00:43:11.690
an easy wine button to press to just be like

00:43:11.690 --> 00:43:13.449
ah did they change the rule i'm like did you

00:43:13.449 --> 00:43:18.159
read it in the first I doubt you read it the

00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:20.019
first time. So like you listened to someone on

00:43:20.019 --> 00:43:22.360
YouTube say it was good. Then you heard Sim say

00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.199
it changed it and it's not good. And you made

00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.260
no decisions on your own and you didn't even

00:43:27.260 --> 00:43:29.619
go and meet your friend and play a game. That's

00:43:29.619 --> 00:43:32.199
a terrible life to live. Just go play some games.

00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:35.139
I have never stopped using Immortal because of

00:43:35.139 --> 00:43:37.880
a GW rule change. I think that that's a psyop.

00:43:37.900 --> 00:43:41.480
That's a huge psyop. Who cares? If you're good

00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:45.849
at the game, you'll make it work. I do agree

00:43:45.849 --> 00:43:49.409
to some level that every now and again, they'll

00:43:49.409 --> 00:43:52.349
be like, I noticed this model on the web store

00:43:52.349 --> 00:43:54.929
was never sold out once, and suddenly it's cracked.

00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:58.909
I wonder what inspired this. But that being said,

00:43:58.989 --> 00:44:04.309
a lot of the time, it is naturally evolving,

00:44:04.690 --> 00:44:06.789
I guess, like you were saying, Rob, where it's

00:44:06.789 --> 00:44:10.090
like, well, it's... I was talking about something...

00:44:10.699 --> 00:44:12.019
I was talking about something called the production

00:44:12.019 --> 00:44:15.179
meta, like Cathay's just come out. There's a

00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:17.179
good conversation about balloons are too strong,

00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.320
which is also really funny. The concept that

00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:23.400
balloons might be too strong. Not the balloons.

00:44:23.500 --> 00:44:25.860
Here's Archeon, the greatest fighter of chaos.

00:44:25.900 --> 00:44:29.719
Also, balloon. They're coming at us slowly and

00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:35.059
menacingly. And in a random direction. I've got

00:44:35.059 --> 00:44:38.880
a strong guff, and they're going away. But if

00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.800
you've seen the balloons, it would take you so

00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:45.840
long to hobby up five balloons that by the time

00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:53.400
you've done that. And the people who bring stuff

00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.519
like that, generally people don't want to play

00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:58.800
with them. I don't think that's true. Five balloons

00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.980
is a great theme. Like if someone turned up with

00:45:00.980 --> 00:45:02.500
five balloons, I'd be pumped. I'd be like, that

00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:04.840
looks cool as hell. Like, can I kill that balloon?

00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.699
It's tougher than a sentinel. That's so wicked.

00:45:08.059 --> 00:45:10.800
Wait, what? But people, I mean, not like that.

00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:12.619
People who aren't playing for theme, people who

00:45:12.619 --> 00:45:15.699
take what's good at the moment, they spam what's

00:45:15.699 --> 00:45:17.760
good. They're generally not the kind of people

00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:20.039
who you enjoy playing with. I think that's like

00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:23.039
0 .1 % of the population. I know it is, but where

00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:24.920
I live, it's somehow like 50 % of the people.

00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:30.409
They all live here. Whoa. All your friends. I

00:45:30.409 --> 00:45:32.869
don't play at my local game store anymore. I

00:45:32.869 --> 00:45:34.909
play with just my friend group. It's crazy. The

00:45:34.909 --> 00:45:39.130
community in my small city is the worst in the

00:45:39.130 --> 00:45:40.929
whole province that I live in. It's super weird.

00:45:41.130 --> 00:45:43.949
There's a huge scandal in the Age of Sigmar League

00:45:43.949 --> 00:45:46.510
that had a ton of cheating and people trying

00:45:46.510 --> 00:45:49.670
to get lists up. It's crazy. There have been

00:45:49.670 --> 00:45:51.230
people who have been banned from tournaments

00:45:51.230 --> 00:45:53.829
because they're so bad at doing things like this.

00:45:54.150 --> 00:45:56.420
So maybe I'm just... Maybe it just hits too close

00:45:56.420 --> 00:45:59.539
to home. People like that. That sounds weird.

00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.780
And I know that should be the minority. In the

00:46:02.780 --> 00:46:04.559
city over from us that's bigger than us, it is

00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:08.199
the minority. In our 100 ,000 population city,

00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:10.599
there's somehow the concentration of people like

00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:14.440
this here. It's crazy. If people are particularly

00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.199
worried about like, oh my god, space marines

00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.340
are almost like the worst when it comes to horrific

00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:23.849
meta changes all the time. if you've been really

00:46:23.849 --> 00:46:26.309
really like again like overly concerned about

00:46:26.309 --> 00:46:29.110
something like this just pick an army that doesn't

00:46:29.110 --> 00:46:33.050
actually have a very large range because it means

00:46:33.050 --> 00:46:35.730
like there is no like like for someone who plays

00:46:35.730 --> 00:46:38.570
thousand suns my range is like i get it's only

00:46:38.570 --> 00:46:42.289
half a range really but i only need to get rubric

00:46:42.289 --> 00:46:46.130
marines i have a magnus maybe the terminators

00:46:46.130 --> 00:46:49.010
are useful every once in a while but like i always

00:46:49.010 --> 00:46:53.139
will bring the same like units like and no matter

00:46:53.139 --> 00:46:55.119
what like they'll always be good because the

00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.940
army is so small so people playing if you're

00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:01.760
playing space marines like it's almost like you're

00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.699
always on catch up because then the new models

00:47:03.699 --> 00:47:06.079
come out and then oh you know they're pretty

00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.219
good and then oh my god the meta change and then

00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:11.139
turns out stern guard uh which were terrible

00:47:11.139 --> 00:47:13.280
beginning attend are now really good it's like

00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.340
it's just it also just depends on your community

00:47:16.340 --> 00:47:19.480
i feel like like if if your whole community is

00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.719
super competitive and cutthroat then like, yeah,

00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:23.300
these meta changes will matter and you might

00:47:23.300 --> 00:47:25.400
start losing every game. But if you're just playing

00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:27.760
with like some friends, it's not going to be

00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.420
the end of the world. Canadians. I just like

00:47:31.420 --> 00:47:33.800
to say that as someone who operates specifically

00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:35.880
at the very spear tip of competitive gaming,

00:47:35.900 --> 00:47:38.420
at least two game systems, they're the nicest

00:47:38.420 --> 00:47:41.940
people you can play like hands down because they

00:47:41.940 --> 00:47:45.820
don't have, they lose enough or play enough that

00:47:45.820 --> 00:47:49.159
like a game, they only want to play a fair game.

00:47:49.219 --> 00:47:51.750
And sure. there is a small percentage of people

00:47:51.750 --> 00:47:54.090
that are an issue but that's only a small percentage

00:47:54.090 --> 00:47:56.849
of people but like my advocacy for those people

00:47:56.849 --> 00:48:00.130
is always they're the nicest people i just a

00:48:00.130 --> 00:48:01.889
moment ago it was cleaning the venue for an event

00:48:01.889 --> 00:48:03.909
the weekend three of them are playing tomorrow

00:48:03.909 --> 00:48:06.969
help me like hoover and mop the floor tomorrow

00:48:06.969 --> 00:48:08.949
if there's someone who's new they'll teach them

00:48:08.949 --> 00:48:12.269
how to play they're the nicest people like so

00:48:12.269 --> 00:48:14.789
like it's a bit of a misnomer that like like

00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.519
that the people who are very competitive are

00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:19.739
the worst. They're actually the nicest. And you

00:48:19.739 --> 00:48:22.780
only really have... I live in Nottingham. I never

00:48:22.780 --> 00:48:25.000
go to Warhammer World to play because it's only

00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.159
full of weird freaks who emerge from their basement.

00:48:28.420 --> 00:48:30.559
And they're like, I'm playing at Warhammer World!

00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.780
And I'm like, can you be a human being? Like

00:48:34.780 --> 00:48:39.179
two weeks ago. Wow. Tournament players I've had

00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:43.420
the best experience with. Personally. But then

00:48:43.420 --> 00:48:46.730
when... the local stores running like a league

00:48:46.730 --> 00:48:49.309
or something like an ongoing thing. That's where

00:48:49.309 --> 00:48:52.010
all the awful, terrible people come out and they're

00:48:52.010 --> 00:48:53.750
bringing, and they're, these are the people who

00:48:53.750 --> 00:48:56.210
pull up with the six Catan shards. And if you

00:48:56.210 --> 00:48:58.510
pull up to a game, you can always just say you

00:48:58.510 --> 00:48:59.849
win. I don't want to play this game and then

00:48:59.849 --> 00:49:01.469
go do something that you'll actually have fun

00:49:01.469 --> 00:49:04.289
with. Like. If people aren't there to also have

00:49:04.289 --> 00:49:06.789
fun playing the game, don't give them your time.

00:49:07.090 --> 00:49:09.969
No one can legally make you play a game of Warhammer.

00:49:11.030 --> 00:49:15.130
Just go home. I like what Rob was saying about

00:49:15.130 --> 00:49:17.650
Old World, and I think that that would be nice

00:49:17.650 --> 00:49:20.929
in 40k. Because I know in Old World, the meta

00:49:20.929 --> 00:49:23.750
doesn't drastically change from GW decisions.

00:49:24.030 --> 00:49:27.829
I know when FAQ just recently came out. But the

00:49:27.829 --> 00:49:30.610
meta should change just with how your local people

00:49:30.610 --> 00:49:33.760
play the game. And, like, with random community

00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.360
people figuring stuff out, it shouldn't change

00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.320
with GW messing with your models and the rule

00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.320
set every two months. Because in 40k, it is an

00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:44.820
obvious just, like, money scheme and cash grab.

00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.820
Let's get a shout -out to the 75 % Zeech Demon

00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:50.519
win rate back in 8th edition and stuff like that.

00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.460
But at the end of the day, that 75 % Zeech win

00:49:54.460 --> 00:49:56.300
rate never actually affected me. I never played

00:49:56.300 --> 00:50:00.340
Zeech against a Zeech army. So it's really about

00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:04.969
perspective, I guess. The local meta should be

00:50:04.969 --> 00:50:07.670
what drives it. Main takeaway from Rob is that

00:50:07.670 --> 00:50:09.889
if you go to Warhammer World, expect to see some

00:50:09.889 --> 00:50:16.130
mutated creatures who profess to be good at tabletop.

00:50:16.309 --> 00:50:18.369
But also, shout out to the event organizer, Steve.

00:50:18.510 --> 00:50:20.469
He's a doll. He has to put up with the worst

00:50:20.469 --> 00:50:22.590
things. He has to put up with the worst people

00:50:22.590 --> 00:50:30.010
imaginable. Oh, no. The next one there, Colin,

00:50:30.110 --> 00:50:33.059
did you see that one by Such a fantastic name.

00:50:34.219 --> 00:50:38.039
Swift Paints? No, Thugless. Thugless El Bosso,

00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.380
that's right. Amazing name. Vehicles suck post

00:50:42.380 --> 00:50:44.300
-8th edition, which I don't know if it's a hot

00:50:44.300 --> 00:50:46.679
take or not, but dang it, it just turns units

00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:48.780
with their own types of movement and firing solutions

00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:51.500
into regular units but big, and you might as

00:50:51.500 --> 00:50:54.980
well not have vehicles in your war game. That's

00:50:54.980 --> 00:50:57.489
a little drastic. It's a little drastic at the

00:50:57.489 --> 00:51:00.809
end. Also stop playing regular 40K because playing

00:51:00.809 --> 00:51:03.030
against Marines for the 15th time in a row gets

00:51:03.030 --> 00:51:06.250
tiring after a while, at least to me. Oh, Eli,

00:51:06.349 --> 00:51:08.090
you're really going to like this next one. As

00:51:08.090 --> 00:51:10.170
for a final take, custodians should not be their

00:51:10.170 --> 00:51:12.289
own army. Yeah, baby. They should add most of

00:51:12.289 --> 00:51:14.750
the auxiliary units to any Imperial armies, but

00:51:14.750 --> 00:51:16.949
because GW doesn't know how to make that a thing.

00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:19.260
They just had to give us another flavor of Space

00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:22.000
Marines. Custodies and Knights should not be

00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.179
a freaking army. They should be allies only.

00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:27.860
Ah, but you see, those super -duper Space Marines

00:51:27.860 --> 00:51:29.900
are so much better than the super -space Marines

00:51:29.900 --> 00:51:34.400
and not redundant at all. Oh my gosh. So real.

00:51:34.539 --> 00:51:37.039
That's a pretty real comment. I still think vehicles

00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:41.239
have a place, but... Flyers could use some help.

00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.949
Yeah, flyers are so hard to balance. Yeah. But

00:51:45.949 --> 00:51:49.230
I do agree. In bolt action, the World War II

00:51:49.230 --> 00:51:52.070
game, it's like random experimental super old

00:51:52.070 --> 00:51:54.730
rules, but how they do it is your flyer comes

00:51:54.730 --> 00:51:57.389
in, does a strafing run, and shoots at somebody,

00:51:57.670 --> 00:52:00.070
and then goes back into reserves for a turn,

00:52:00.130 --> 00:52:03.070
and then the turn after that comes in again and

00:52:03.070 --> 00:52:05.150
only stays on the table for one turn and then

00:52:05.150 --> 00:52:09.230
leaves. I think that's kind of cool and pretty

00:52:09.230 --> 00:52:12.340
realistic. flyers are hard to balance i think

00:52:12.340 --> 00:52:14.559
that gw's hates them anyway don't they like they

00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.079
always make them kind of dogs well they were

00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.219
like this big thing in seventh edition and then

00:52:19.219 --> 00:52:21.940
my friend brought like six flyers against me

00:52:21.940 --> 00:52:26.039
and it was so awful and it's like why are we

00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.380
even playing this game like i i hit all of your

00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:33.300
models on six plus it's like ridiculous but i

00:52:33.300 --> 00:52:35.500
don't have a point with the vehicles thing because

00:52:35.500 --> 00:52:39.829
particularly in tenth it is a lot like it is

00:52:39.829 --> 00:52:43.929
very vehicle heavy in a lot of places and like

00:52:43.929 --> 00:52:45.969
particularly if someone's like new there's like

00:52:45.969 --> 00:52:48.510
you don't necessarily have a lot of anti -vehicle

00:52:48.510 --> 00:52:50.469
like you don't have all the right units that

00:52:50.469 --> 00:52:53.389
are like equipped for that so like a lot of time

00:52:53.389 --> 00:52:56.030
it just feels like you're playing into like just

00:52:56.030 --> 00:52:58.949
a massive brick of people and you like it like

00:52:58.949 --> 00:53:01.010
it's like you know but you can't like enjoy the

00:53:01.010 --> 00:53:02.809
game to its full because it's basically just

00:53:02.809 --> 00:53:06.849
you being slowly shot off the board the entire

00:53:06.849 --> 00:53:10.789
game That was also, like, that was still kind

00:53:10.789 --> 00:53:12.989
of a problem back in the day, too. I think vehicles

00:53:12.989 --> 00:53:15.170
should be, like, HQs. Limitations, because there

00:53:15.170 --> 00:53:17.869
was detachment. There was a combined arms detachment.

00:53:18.710 --> 00:53:21.369
There's a thing of, like, you can't bring a certain

00:53:21.369 --> 00:53:24.110
number of too many units of the same variety.

00:53:24.329 --> 00:53:25.630
There should be a thing of, like, you can't bring

00:53:25.630 --> 00:53:28.409
more than a set amount of vehicles unless there's

00:53:28.409 --> 00:53:31.030
a certain detachment. That's pretty much what

00:53:31.030 --> 00:53:34.449
it was like before 8th edition. That's old rule,

00:53:34.510 --> 00:53:37.980
baby. It depends on what army you played, though.

00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:42.159
But realistically, back in the day, your good,

00:53:42.219 --> 00:53:44.599
strong, tough vehicles were heavy supports, and

00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.320
you could have a maximum of three heavy supports.

00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.780
And then 7th edition made formations and ruined

00:53:49.780 --> 00:53:53.219
the game for everyone. But before that, there

00:53:53.219 --> 00:53:56.659
was limitations. To make you happy, Eli, should

00:53:56.659 --> 00:54:00.239
we make a new army that's just Imperial Knights

00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.440
and Custodians? That would solve the problem.

00:54:06.309 --> 00:54:12.090
Combat patrol bird in hell. I do miss armor values.

00:54:12.210 --> 00:54:14.909
I do miss armor facing values. I kind of miss

00:54:14.909 --> 00:54:18.570
the damage table. Yeah, I know. There are 14

00:54:18.570 --> 00:54:23.489
stats on just a data sheet alone. I do want to

00:54:23.489 --> 00:54:26.110
play Heresy. The problem is I mostly have Xenos

00:54:26.110 --> 00:54:27.909
armies and I don't always like playing Space

00:54:27.909 --> 00:54:31.329
Marines again and again and again. You could

00:54:31.329 --> 00:54:35.400
play Serial Auxilia, Admech, Militia. True. And

00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:39.579
I found fan rules for Eldar. And I've also heard

00:54:39.579 --> 00:54:41.380
that they updated the vehicle damage charts,

00:54:41.500 --> 00:54:44.179
that it's not, like, soul -crushing anymore.

00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:48.239
But they still kept armor values. It sounds like

00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:49.920
a really great game. It sounds like they just

00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.039
made what 40k should have been. Yeah, they added

00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:56.260
a mini -game sub -phase to just duels. Like,

00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:58.780
potentially, you might get into a normal game

00:54:58.780 --> 00:55:01.960
and then have to do a 45 -minute duel. It's completely

00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:07.070
unrealistic. Like, it's insane. To be fair, that's

00:55:07.070 --> 00:55:09.610
how some of the books go. To be fair, it's like,

00:55:09.690 --> 00:55:12.550
oh, here's, like, some, oh, they went forward,

00:55:12.670 --> 00:55:14.550
and then, like, oh, and then Saul Tarvis and

00:55:14.550 --> 00:55:17.789
Lucius had a fight. Yeah. I want to play 30k.

00:55:17.869 --> 00:55:20.590
I should. It just sounds like they fixed everything

00:55:20.590 --> 00:55:22.829
wrong about 7th edition and made the game good.

00:55:24.690 --> 00:55:29.489
Desiring. Bro's feeling it. uh should we do one

00:55:29.489 --> 00:55:32.389
from um eli here do you see the one which is

00:55:32.389 --> 00:55:36.789
um by uh just two below it's called funny random

00:55:36.789 --> 00:55:40.949
name literally funny random name uh my tabletop

00:55:40.949 --> 00:55:43.750
hot take the guard combat patrols utter dog doo

00:55:43.750 --> 00:55:45.710
-doo yes that's correct because every combat

00:55:45.710 --> 00:55:48.050
patrol now was utter dog doo -doo the guard is

00:55:48.050 --> 00:55:50.170
known for three things tanks human waves and

00:55:50.170 --> 00:55:52.650
artillery so why in the actual kentucky fried

00:55:52.650 --> 00:55:55.750
foot does it contain mostly horses and like 15

00:55:55.750 --> 00:55:58.179
guard At least with the last one, it has some

00:55:58.179 --> 00:56:01.320
guard. But this is, mom, can we get Death Riders?

00:56:01.380 --> 00:56:03.480
No, we have Death Riders at home. Death Riders

00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:05.940
at home. It's because they weren't selling enough

00:56:05.940 --> 00:56:07.619
horsies, so they needed to put them in there.

00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:11.579
It's for being realistic. And also Combat Patrols

00:56:11.579 --> 00:56:13.380
mostly all suck now. The Elder one is almost

00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:18.980
passable. It's a shame because Ages Sigma has

00:56:18.980 --> 00:56:22.320
obviously Spearhead. And that looks like such

00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:26.650
a better take on how they make you know but like

00:56:26.650 --> 00:56:29.469
combat combat patrols were good one year ago

00:56:29.469 --> 00:56:31.429
two years ago whenever they were fine they were

00:56:31.429 --> 00:56:33.849
a great deal and now they suck the imperial guard

00:56:33.849 --> 00:56:36.550
one is like 300 points i'm pretty sure it's abysmal

00:56:36.550 --> 00:56:40.329
start collecting was great yeah combat and they

00:56:40.329 --> 00:56:43.570
were before that they were uh battle forces like

00:56:43.570 --> 00:56:46.210
god i need to play spearhead though like i need

00:56:46.210 --> 00:56:49.630
to play spearhead just so i can get a good general

00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:52.840
it's good i never like i'm worried like is that

00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.360
thing of like once you've tasted like the certain

00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:58.179
meal now every other meal tastes bad or something

00:56:58.179 --> 00:57:01.699
like now i know how good that is i'm like oh

00:57:01.699 --> 00:57:05.019
no all these models i have and they're all useless

00:57:05.019 --> 00:57:08.300
because i want to play spearhead we got cookie

00:57:08.300 --> 00:57:11.300
yes crumb in the chat the old gsc combat patrol

00:57:11.300 --> 00:57:13.559
made the army actually affordable that one and

00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.300
the sisters of battle and the drukari combat

00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:17.920
patrols might be the best deals gw has ever made

00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.869
in ever history Grey Knights as well. The old

00:57:21.869 --> 00:57:24.949
Grey Knight one, which just got murdered. But

00:57:24.949 --> 00:57:28.449
the old Grey Knight one had Dread Knight, it

00:57:28.449 --> 00:57:32.309
had five strike squad, which could also be pure,

00:57:32.409 --> 00:57:34.150
because obviously half the Grey Knight army can

00:57:34.150 --> 00:57:35.949
convert into the other half of the Grey Knight

00:57:35.949 --> 00:57:38.449
army. That could be purifiers, and then five

00:57:38.449 --> 00:57:40.849
Terminators, and then that might have been it.

00:57:40.989 --> 00:57:45.710
But man, I think three boxes of that is a 2 ,000

00:57:45.710 --> 00:57:48.730
point army. Or even more than 2 ,000 points.

00:57:48.829 --> 00:57:51.070
That's crazy. You could basically have a whole

00:57:51.070 --> 00:57:53.550
army for like... And if you go to a discount

00:57:53.550 --> 00:57:55.090
store, you could basically have a whole army

00:57:55.090 --> 00:57:59.429
for like £250. Yeah. I have a hot take related

00:57:59.429 --> 00:58:01.969
semi to the Grey Knight Combat, the old one.

00:58:02.469 --> 00:58:06.789
I think the baby carrier is a great model. Hey,

00:58:06.889 --> 00:58:11.110
so real! He's so real for that! He's so real!

00:58:12.150 --> 00:58:15.219
I'm gonna go further with that. The old Grey

00:58:15.219 --> 00:58:17.360
Knight models are the coolest models. Some of

00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:20.639
the coolest models in Warhammer 40k. I don't

00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:22.420
care if they're small. I don't care if they're

00:58:22.420 --> 00:58:24.679
smaller than Primera Space Marines. They're really

00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:28.139
cool, and they deserve to be loved. The legs

00:58:28.139 --> 00:58:30.739
look jacked. The legs look jacked in real life.

00:58:30.900 --> 00:58:33.260
I don't care. What's wrong with the pointy helmets?

00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:37.679
No, I like them. Hal hates short people, confirmed.

00:58:38.059 --> 00:58:41.360
He's classist. He's racist. He hates short people.

00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:46.420
If you have weird knees, he hates you too. Weird

00:58:46.420 --> 00:58:51.260
knees? Who has weird knees? Do they bend the

00:58:51.260 --> 00:59:00.260
other way? Al hates the saying Healy. One last

00:59:00.260 --> 00:59:03.059
one, Eli, which is from the one just below the

00:59:03.059 --> 00:59:08.119
one you did. It's by Goldjaw. Shout out to this

00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:12.039
guy with the... dftdg avatar primaris units have

00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:14.039
broken the design philosophy of the imperium

00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:17.239
of man in old editions imperium has a set design

00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:19.880
philosophy simple robust strong this is shown

00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.039
in their ships being massive cathedrals that

00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.639
are modular and have pieces added on over the

00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:27.239
years this is how artificer armor works a baseline

00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:29.340
armor with slight alterations over centuries

00:59:29.340 --> 00:59:32.159
primaris marines they have each of a they each

00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:34.539
have a specialization and weapon profile that

00:59:34.539 --> 00:59:37.130
is unique to itself That's Eldar design. This

00:59:37.130 --> 00:59:39.190
leads to massive bloat that could have been avoided

00:59:39.190 --> 00:59:41.289
with tactical squads. This leads into another

00:59:41.289 --> 00:59:43.530
rant about how the Drukhari Codex is the best

00:59:43.530 --> 00:59:45.730
codex size. Yeah, that's pretty real. I hate

00:59:45.730 --> 00:59:48.090
Primaris Marines. I've accepted them, but I never

00:59:48.090 --> 00:59:53.309
liked them. And each squad, each having 10 squads

00:59:53.309 --> 00:59:56.289
and their entire gimmick is we all have one type

00:59:56.289 --> 01:00:01.849
of weapon is very, very... Annoying. I don't

01:00:01.849 --> 01:00:05.570
like it. I find it very lame. We have Devastator

01:00:05.570 --> 01:00:09.289
squads for a reason. The Codex Astartes has already

01:00:09.289 --> 01:00:11.849
laid this all out for us. We have Devastator

01:00:11.849 --> 01:00:14.369
squads. We have Assault squads. You can give

01:00:14.369 --> 01:00:16.389
your Tactical Marines a few extra special weapons

01:00:16.389 --> 01:00:19.750
so that they can do some special jobs. You don't

01:00:19.750 --> 01:00:23.409
need a Flamer unit, a Laz Cannon unit, a Rocket

01:00:23.409 --> 01:00:25.829
Launcher unit. It's just ridiculous. I just hate

01:00:25.829 --> 01:00:33.300
it. But they got cool armor. I like him. I can

01:00:33.300 --> 01:00:35.940
ask you a question relating to Primaris Marines

01:00:35.940 --> 01:00:41.420
as a not more YouTuber. So my hot take is that

01:00:41.420 --> 01:00:45.679
I think Games Workshop are pretty audacious to

01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:47.699
content strike people when they're the biggest

01:00:47.699 --> 01:00:53.400
IP thieves we've ever seen in gaming. So that's

01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:56.179
my question to the panel. Are they the biggest

01:00:56.179 --> 01:01:00.039
IP thieves in gaming? Yes. They gotta be. they

01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.840
have to be like surely i can't think of anyone

01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:07.719
else it's just star wars one right like they

01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:11.260
find a clone army on the moon on genesis and

01:01:11.260 --> 01:01:14.260
then uh and then thingy is whatever his name

01:01:14.260 --> 01:01:18.760
is is just the guy that makes the clones so yeah

01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:22.579
wow that's pretty real i mean like that the entirety

01:01:22.579 --> 01:01:25.380
of warhammer history half of it is just dune

01:01:25.380 --> 01:01:29.730
lore like And real life, like, oh, Lionel Johnson.

01:01:29.949 --> 01:01:32.530
Where'd you get that from, fellas? Definitely

01:01:32.530 --> 01:01:35.969
not an English poet. Definitely not a guy. I

01:01:35.969 --> 01:01:37.650
don't think they shy away from it. Who's Edgar

01:01:37.650 --> 01:01:41.650
Allan Poe? Never heard of him. What is a Judge

01:01:41.650 --> 01:01:45.349
Dredd? Or my favorite recent video that I did

01:01:45.349 --> 01:01:49.130
was Alexandros the Great, who is a canon character

01:01:49.130 --> 01:01:53.369
now. Yeah. For the Sons of Throne chapter. It

01:01:53.369 --> 01:01:55.889
is truly ironic, though, that they cracked down

01:01:55.889 --> 01:01:59.090
so hard on these fan people. Well, it was when

01:01:59.090 --> 01:02:01.710
they had a go at the Battletech. There was a

01:02:01.710 --> 01:02:04.369
Battletech channel who was doing merch, and one

01:02:04.369 --> 01:02:06.489
of the designs of Battletech war machines is

01:02:06.489 --> 01:02:08.590
called a Warhammer, so they got struck with a

01:02:08.590 --> 01:02:10.150
copyright notice saying, it's not even the same

01:02:10.150 --> 01:02:13.309
IP! It's just called a Warhammer! You also don't

01:02:13.309 --> 01:02:15.769
own the concept of a hammer that kills people

01:02:15.769 --> 01:02:20.690
in war. Robert Baratheon is seething. But yeah.

01:02:21.099 --> 01:02:24.920
it's it's pretty ironic they're pretty as much

01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:28.300
like is it unique that I guess that's the question

01:02:28.300 --> 01:02:31.099
it boils down to is like again like the analogy

01:02:31.099 --> 01:02:33.719
we used earlier is all the ingredients you know

01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:35.820
did you basically make a new dish when you put

01:02:35.820 --> 01:02:37.920
the ingredients of so many other things together

01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:42.699
in one thing I mean like who owns the IP to vampires

01:02:42.699 --> 01:02:48.239
I don't know who kind of word for that werewolves

01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:52.059
like who would own that in some way and it's

01:02:52.059 --> 01:02:54.039
like i it's different because like from obviously

01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:56.920
like a design and like you know like the macro

01:02:56.920 --> 01:03:00.539
warhammer is basically it is everything it's

01:03:00.539 --> 01:03:02.679
everything else but then obviously like when

01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:06.059
we you guys do like law stuff we're reading things

01:03:06.059 --> 01:03:08.639
where like someone has written an original story

01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:11.739
throughout the and maybe they use inspiration

01:03:11.739 --> 01:03:13.840
from other things but like it's difficult because

01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:16.119
again on the law side of it they're pretty good

01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:19.320
at it the model side of it is like wow could

01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.960
i get my greco -roman inspired space marine please

01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:26.340
oh wait and all the other you know yeah it's

01:03:26.340 --> 01:03:30.659
very i don't know i don't know i don't feel like

01:03:30.659 --> 01:03:34.539
it's It's not blatant, but it's also, like, I

01:03:34.539 --> 01:03:35.900
don't know if they have much of a high horse

01:03:35.900 --> 01:03:37.659
to be on, do you know what I mean? I don't think

01:03:37.659 --> 01:03:39.840
they're even that good at the lore side of it.

01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:43.800
Because everything nowadays is just a continuation

01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:48.360
of, like, you know, 30 -year -old things, which,

01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:51.099
yeah, they've filed the serial numbers off by

01:03:51.099 --> 01:03:54.219
this point, but, like, the Arbites are still

01:03:54.219 --> 01:03:59.260
just Judge Dredd. Like... Was I the only one

01:03:59.260 --> 01:04:00.840
who did a bit of an eye roll when we were back

01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:02.780
at Armageddon again, though? That was my thing.

01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:08.699
I was just like, Armageddon? Can I tell you a

01:04:08.699 --> 01:04:11.420
quick story about this? I used to work for Games

01:04:11.420 --> 01:04:14.760
Workshop. I was the live stream presenter. And

01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.360
I would interview different people every week.

01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:20.809
And I had on an author. I won't say who. uh because

01:04:20.809 --> 01:04:24.050
that's not fair um and i before the show was

01:04:24.050 --> 01:04:25.670
like i'm gonna ask you a load of questions it's

01:04:25.670 --> 01:04:27.989
great i was like okay so then and i had carte

01:04:27.989 --> 01:04:30.789
blanche no one i had no oversight fyi it was

01:04:30.789 --> 01:04:33.929
a crazy time uh i launched like the whole of

01:04:33.929 --> 01:04:36.210
like eighth edition just off the top of my own

01:04:36.210 --> 01:04:38.829
head i was like this is what we're doing um anyway

01:04:38.829 --> 01:04:41.010
so i've interviewed this author and i asked a

01:04:41.010 --> 01:04:43.030
question i said hey it would be super cool if

01:04:43.030 --> 01:04:45.010
you could tell me other books you know other

01:04:45.010 --> 01:04:48.320
sci -fi series or well it's kind of narrowing

01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:50.820
it down a bit uh but you know things that you

01:04:50.820 --> 01:04:52.840
may have read that influence you or that you

01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:54.800
know you really like outside of warhammer and

01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:56.860
they were like no no i've only read warhammer

01:04:56.860 --> 01:04:59.619
and i was like hey it's really okay like we're

01:04:59.619 --> 01:05:01.940
allowed to talk about the fact that you have

01:05:01.940 --> 01:05:03.699
other things it'll make it will humanize you

01:05:03.699 --> 01:05:06.880
to the audience you know and he's like no i've

01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:11.719
actually only read warhammer and i was like i'm

01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:15.239
not an author And I've read more books than you've

01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:19.019
read. And that was, I still think about that

01:05:19.019 --> 01:05:21.119
today. Just the confidence on his face, the smile.

01:05:21.340 --> 01:05:23.059
He's like, no, I've only read Warhammer. I was

01:05:23.059 --> 01:05:28.320
like, ah, that's terrible. That is crazy. That's

01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:31.119
unbelievable. It's like, oh, I'm a movie director.

01:05:31.500 --> 01:05:34.139
Outside of the Marvel universe with your new

01:05:34.139 --> 01:05:36.360
film, what have you, no, I've only watched Marvel.

01:05:37.839 --> 01:05:40.400
I hope that's like a contractual thing and that's

01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:42.880
not that he was lying. No, no, because it was,

01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.880
like I say, it was very freeform. Unless he was

01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.199
genuinely terrified that a manager would watch

01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:51.460
and be like, oh no, you said you read A &M Banks,

01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:54.659
you're a monster. To be fair, Rob, were you in

01:05:54.659 --> 01:05:56.579
a room with one -sided glass with a guy from

01:05:56.579 --> 01:05:59.780
GW sharpening a knife on the other side? Was

01:05:59.780 --> 01:06:02.000
that the environment? I was just in the gaming

01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:07.199
hall, actually. Just on a comfy chair. really

01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:10.059
weird like a view of like writing then if you've

01:06:10.059 --> 01:06:12.820
only read it from like a warhammer you know what

01:06:12.820 --> 01:06:15.599
that would make so much sense if that would that

01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:17.539
would make so much sense for warhammer novels

01:06:17.539 --> 01:06:22.619
honestly like oh my god that was only that author

01:06:22.619 --> 01:06:26.780
yeah yeah is he pretty is he still there yeah

01:06:26.780 --> 01:06:30.039
for sure I can guess who that is. I'll try to

01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:33.900
narrow it down. I'll tell you after. If it is

01:06:33.900 --> 01:06:35.579
who I think it is, I'm actually going to lose

01:06:35.579 --> 01:06:39.519
it. You're going to watch Dune and go, wait a

01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:41.860
minute, this ripped off Warhammer. But then again,

01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:43.960
there's like one of my favorite authors is James

01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:45.559
Swallow. And like, I know he's done stuff for

01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:47.280
like Star Trek and all sorts. And it's like,

01:06:47.380 --> 01:06:49.659
sometimes you'll watch, like you go on Amazon,

01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:53.530
you'll buy like an audio book or a... kindle

01:06:53.530 --> 01:06:55.429
book that i get and i'll be like oh he did this

01:06:55.429 --> 01:06:57.650
series as well or this franchise that's interesting

01:06:57.650 --> 01:07:01.170
just like the idea is like nope just one i mean

01:07:01.170 --> 01:07:04.170
it is crazy that even the greatest of them dan

01:07:04.170 --> 01:07:07.469
abner was able to put a yugioh card game in the

01:07:07.469 --> 01:07:10.869
final fight between horace and him and i'm not

01:07:10.869 --> 01:07:14.280
even joking like there's a literal point Their

01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:17.420
battle shatters across dimensions and time to

01:07:17.420 --> 01:07:18.900
the point in which, like, one of them is, like,

01:07:18.900 --> 01:07:20.719
they're arguing. One of them is, like, they're

01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:23.119
literally ripping each other apart. Another one

01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:24.699
is, like, they're literally playing a card game.

01:07:24.900 --> 01:07:28.500
So, like, that's how, like, it just breaks the

01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:31.280
universe to that level. So you're basically,

01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.000
for people who haven't read the book, it's like,

01:07:33.099 --> 01:07:36.239
oh, Horus is going, I'm going to gut you, Emperor.

01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:37.400
I'm going to kill you. And then the Emperor goes,

01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:41.480
rook to king four. Oh, okay. I don't really remember

01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:43.119
much of the third book, to be honest, because

01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:45.559
so much of it was just like describing a fight.

01:07:45.739 --> 01:07:47.139
And I think there's something to be said about

01:07:47.139 --> 01:07:49.539
like some books I've read for Warhammer are like,

01:07:49.659 --> 01:07:53.079
oh, nothing happens in this book at all. And

01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:54.460
other ones where it goes because it goes into

01:07:54.460 --> 01:07:56.780
too much minutia of like, and the chair was made

01:07:56.780 --> 01:07:58.760
of this. Like, I don't care. And then there's

01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:01.139
other ones where it's just like, oh, this happened

01:08:01.139 --> 01:08:02.619
and this happened and this happened and this

01:08:02.619 --> 01:08:04.179
happened. And then there's too much going on.

01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:07.679
Well, yeah, I mean, it's again, Warhammer is

01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:11.000
a it's an it's a living, breathing. universe

01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:14.599
it's not it's not a story arc necessarily it's

01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:18.840
a ongoing war and you know we've not you know

01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:20.479
i don't think they've written you know they're

01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:22.659
not written the war's end really like it's a

01:08:22.659 --> 01:08:26.439
it is only war there is no end to the war the

01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:29.800
war part two is only part two or part infinity

01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:32.960
of the war in fact your break took a tea break

01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:35.619
and then continued the war like it doesn't really

01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:40.680
I love it again. Space Marines went to this corner

01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:42.800
and they battled that faction and then they just

01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:44.779
about won with someone making a great sacrifice

01:08:44.779 --> 01:08:47.659
at the end. I don't care much for that. And to

01:08:47.659 --> 01:08:51.979
be fair, they got a lot of mileage out of 999

01:08:51.979 --> 01:08:54.939
.M41. There was a lot going on in that one year.

01:08:55.840 --> 01:09:00.539
We're going to do a lot of stuff. Oh, M .212.

01:09:00.699 --> 01:09:04.970
Just to back it up, it's very hard to... Can

01:09:04.970 --> 01:09:07.149
anyone here think of any franchise or any other

01:09:07.149 --> 01:09:10.470
thing they've seen recently where it almost feels

01:09:10.470 --> 01:09:16.810
totally original? Yeah, see what I mean? Well,

01:09:17.090 --> 01:09:20.270
yeah. I'm not asking for total originality. I'm

01:09:20.270 --> 01:09:23.529
asking for fundamental organizations of your

01:09:23.529 --> 01:09:30.279
setting to not be Dune. They literally say it

01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:34.100
is inspired by that. I know they're not there

01:09:34.100 --> 01:09:36.680
anymore, but they literally said it is that.

01:09:36.819 --> 01:09:39.819
This is a setting to sell models. That's what

01:09:39.819 --> 01:09:43.340
they said about it. I don't mind inspiration,

01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:49.239
but I can say this character I drew is inspired

01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:52.979
by Halo. If it's just the Master Chief with a

01:09:52.979 --> 01:09:55.920
Space Marine helmet on, I've not inspired anything.

01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:01.619
I still remember Cliff Brzezinski from Gears

01:10:01.619 --> 01:10:04.560
of War fame being like, I think we're the first

01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:08.100
people to put a chainsaw on a gun. And I'm looking

01:10:08.100 --> 01:10:10.600
over to Warhammer like, you sure about that?

01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:15.979
You sure about that? Elder Scrolls is pretty

01:10:15.979 --> 01:10:20.659
original. Even if a lot of that is Michael Kirkwright's

01:10:20.659 --> 01:10:23.119
insane ramblings. Have you played Expedition

01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:30.000
33 yet? I've not. Blowing reviews. So good. It's

01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.239
French, so that's pretty original because I may

01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:35.779
be listening to a French thing and I normally

01:10:35.779 --> 01:10:44.300
hate that. I think... The only thing I can think

01:10:44.300 --> 01:10:49.600
of is Brandon Sanderson's work on Stormlight

01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:53.539
Archive or... Oh my god, what's the other one?

01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:57.020
i'm blanking oh my god uh miss born yeah or things

01:10:57.020 --> 01:11:00.159
like that like that feels original to like some

01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:03.380
uh like a pretty you know as in like it's taken

01:11:03.380 --> 01:11:05.079
the same ingredients but it's definitely feels

01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:08.420
like its own uh thing which i think the endless

01:11:08.420 --> 01:11:11.380
universe feels pretty original to me well it's

01:11:11.380 --> 01:11:13.359
like like lord of the rings right like tolkien

01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.020
said he there's a ton of inspiration from like

01:11:16.020 --> 01:11:19.199
norse mythology stuff like that but you wouldn't

01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:22.590
read norse mythology and go Lord of the Rings

01:11:22.590 --> 01:11:24.789
go, yeah, this is just Norse mythology. You'd

01:11:24.789 --> 01:11:30.210
be insane. The Navigators don't even get to the

01:11:30.210 --> 01:11:34.130
name change bit. They're just Navigators. It's

01:11:34.130 --> 01:11:38.069
the same thing. And they still haven't changed

01:11:38.069 --> 01:11:41.189
that name. Yeah, they're just the Navigators.

01:11:41.430 --> 01:11:44.609
That's great. I wonder if the people who own

01:11:44.609 --> 01:11:47.569
Frank Herbert's estate, they were like, we could

01:11:47.569 --> 01:11:53.020
sue. We could get a few things. We should do

01:11:53.020 --> 01:11:56.859
the next one there, though. Is there any more

01:11:56.859 --> 01:11:58.819
donors in between, maybe? We could do some donations.

01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:02.300
We've got one from Caleb Collin for two. Elfsimp,

01:12:02.420 --> 01:12:05.119
what's your fave copium? Also favorite VTuber.

01:12:05.260 --> 01:12:06.520
I think that's directed towards you, Collin.

01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:11.420
They asked a question about elves and VTubers.

01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:18.260
I know where that one's directed. I don't know.

01:12:18.300 --> 01:12:21.829
My favorite copium is that the elder are always

01:12:21.829 --> 01:12:24.710
like the top three competitive armies that keeps

01:12:24.710 --> 01:12:29.569
me going. That keeps, that keeps me by every,

01:12:29.590 --> 01:12:31.489
every, it happens. And I say to myself, yes,

01:12:31.550 --> 01:12:33.329
any day now they're going to see these numbers

01:12:33.329 --> 01:12:36.529
and they're not just going to nerf them. There's

01:12:36.529 --> 01:12:38.149
going to be a book. There's going to be a release.

01:12:38.289 --> 01:12:41.109
There's going to be something cool. Don't worry,

01:12:41.210 --> 01:12:43.369
Colin. There's a course ad book coming on. It'll

01:12:43.369 --> 01:12:45.859
be fine. I don't really have a favorite VTuber.

01:12:45.939 --> 01:12:48.060
I like a couple different ones. I don't actually

01:12:48.060 --> 01:12:49.960
watch them that much, to be honest. I just bring

01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:54.939
it up because it's funny. I watch a few, but

01:12:54.939 --> 01:12:58.920
I'm not... I don't watch too many live streams.

01:12:59.079 --> 01:13:04.460
They all just live stream. William Knight for

01:13:04.460 --> 01:13:07.039
$4 .99. Thanks for the feet to your list. Turns

01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:10.460
out I don't have a foot fetish. I was promised

01:13:10.460 --> 01:13:12.760
a green hat, Colin. No happy birthday for you.

01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:16.760
Also, Rob, this particular viewer has been congratulating

01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:19.079
Colin on his birthday every stream for the last

01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:24.300
three months. Oh, nice. My birthday was in January

01:13:24.300 --> 01:13:29.539
for reference. Who did the feet tier list? I

01:13:29.539 --> 01:13:34.659
suggested it from the people's comments, to be

01:13:34.659 --> 01:13:38.600
fair. I'll own it. Because I did one. I was just

01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:43.819
wondering if I was the only one. I rated all

01:13:43.819 --> 01:13:48.819
the best feet in Age of Sigmar. Nice. We did

01:13:48.819 --> 01:13:54.800
Warhammer in the round. Oh, nice. It's fun. I

01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:56.260
have to update it. They've released a lot of

01:13:56.260 --> 01:14:05.200
feet recently. What a beautiful sentence. with

01:14:05.200 --> 01:14:09.539
genuine, like, genuine excitement. I have to

01:14:09.539 --> 01:14:12.319
do that. It genuinely has to happen. Oh, okay,

01:14:12.380 --> 01:14:14.859
I'm not reading this one out. Bruh, this is Colin.

01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:19.560
Nah, let me take this bad one. Wait, what? This

01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:23.420
is... Oh, just the name is what you're freaking

01:14:23.420 --> 01:14:28.520
out. I was like, where's the bad bit? But no,

01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:31.199
it's from Marathi's designated toilet. Thank

01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:35.010
you. So real. He used to be Shark Bore and Mirror.

01:14:35.069 --> 01:14:41.069
What happened? Well, he saw the light. On my

01:14:41.069 --> 01:14:43.390
way to Bretonnia, wish me luck, boys. Also, happy

01:14:43.390 --> 01:14:45.569
birthday, Colin. Yeah, I still got it. Well,

01:14:45.630 --> 01:14:47.750
I get the Skaven plushie. I kind of forgot that

01:14:47.750 --> 01:14:51.289
was a thing. I don't know. I might get the Rat

01:14:51.289 --> 01:14:54.550
plushie. Why not? Shall I? He's wet as gripper

01:14:54.550 --> 01:14:57.710
for two Canadian. There's a six or seven Catan

01:14:57.710 --> 01:15:03.479
Rest Destroyers prick. XOXO. Wow. Do not play

01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:08.560
that. Thank you for the $4 .99. Project for the

01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.880
boys. Make the lore crime server as an army system.

01:15:12.380 --> 01:15:15.380
As an army, any system will do with any addition.

01:15:15.899 --> 01:15:18.260
Oh, make the lore crime server as an army. Any

01:15:18.260 --> 01:15:20.720
system will do with any addition. Interesting.

01:15:21.699 --> 01:15:25.100
Interesting. The whole lore crimes codex. Hmm.

01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:29.060
Hollow network host for 10. Hot take. The Eldar

01:15:29.060 --> 01:15:32.680
should not be... guard height and be the middle

01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:36.720
between marine and human uh slowly are the elder

01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:40.859
armor all the same their ways of where war are

01:15:40.859 --> 01:15:42.439
so different they should be different like the

01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:44.079
reapers it's basically they should be distinctly

01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:45.760
different from the guard and the space marines

01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:47.939
and stuff rather than just like we shoot shurikens

01:15:47.939 --> 01:15:50.300
rather than bullets i mean they are they have

01:15:50.300 --> 01:15:52.399
some distinction at least but yeah you you have

01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:54.600
a point the armor should all be quite drastically

01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:59.779
different isn't it It kind of is. It's different

01:15:59.779 --> 01:16:04.039
enough for me, personally. Yeah. I guess that's

01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:09.479
a personal taste thing. Grungrivaldi Gurnison

01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:12.880
for five bucks. Good name. Nagash is all, and

01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:15.420
all are one in Nagash. Purge the soul thief.

01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:19.560
Purge the soul thief. Sigma. That's so real.

01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:23.590
So real. Black coach. Mog's Archeon. I'm so glad

01:16:23.590 --> 01:16:26.130
you shared that information with me, Rob. Such

01:16:26.130 --> 01:16:31.789
a good model, too. Wait. Oh, no. This is horrid.

01:16:33.210 --> 01:16:37.250
This is a funny one. I'll do it for the people,

01:16:37.350 --> 01:16:39.909
though. For the people. I'll wear a green hat

01:16:39.909 --> 01:16:44.630
this week. Five euros. For Hal, I love eating

01:16:44.630 --> 01:16:47.670
poop. It's delicious. I want it in my tummy.

01:16:48.409 --> 01:16:51.050
Document USA, cut that sample out for context.

01:16:51.630 --> 01:16:54.909
for the unhinged how complation thanks man wow

01:16:54.909 --> 01:16:57.569
for the people they're setting you up they're

01:16:57.569 --> 01:17:01.489
setting you up and dad bod nap god five feel

01:17:01.489 --> 01:17:03.029
well space dreams makes more sense than excluding

01:17:03.029 --> 01:17:05.010
half the recruiting pool i guess the master of

01:17:05.010 --> 01:17:08.090
mankind is dumb well he's a he's a bad father

01:17:08.090 --> 01:17:10.729
we know that for sure uh and that's coming from

01:17:10.729 --> 01:17:12.850
me the guy who's always making excuses for the

01:17:12.850 --> 01:17:23.229
emperor Or do you? And therefore you're a terrible

01:17:23.229 --> 01:17:27.750
father. I just give advice to other parents and

01:17:27.750 --> 01:17:30.449
I'm like, I have no credentials, but you should

01:17:30.449 --> 01:17:32.710
do this. And they're like, who are you? Yeah,

01:17:32.710 --> 01:17:35.949
that's fine. What are you talking about? I can't

01:17:35.949 --> 01:17:38.989
wait for them to make Lady Space Marines. I'm

01:17:38.989 --> 01:17:42.649
going to kick my tootsies up. I'm going to book

01:17:42.649 --> 01:17:45.720
a day off. i'm gonna i'm gonna get myself in

01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:48.079
a bathrobe and i'm gonna go on facebook for the

01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:57.939
first time in two years hello boys i see i would

01:17:57.939 --> 01:18:02.300
what i said earlier i look i'm gonna get yelled

01:18:02.300 --> 01:18:05.140
at i cannot put into words how little i care

01:18:05.140 --> 01:18:09.079
either way whichever direction it goes I'm going

01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:11.420
to sit there. I'm going to watch for wait for

01:18:11.420 --> 01:18:13.760
the official decision and it's going to enter

01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:16.960
my brain. And then I will go back to coping about

01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:21.199
the Eldar. Yeah. It's a good life when you don't

01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.800
care about Imperial things. Oh, it's beautiful.

01:18:24.899 --> 01:18:26.880
Warhammer is already so scuffed. It wouldn't

01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:28.819
even matter at this point. Lady Orcs though.

01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:35.039
Big green lady. Oh, that's another place. That's

01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:38.399
another place. Blood Bowl reigns supreme. Exactly.

01:18:38.659 --> 01:18:43.640
Orc cheerleader. Orc babe. That's what you mean.

01:18:44.819 --> 01:18:47.399
I still like Space Marines. Space Marines are

01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:50.319
cool, but Xenos are cooler. But I like my warrior

01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:52.279
monks. I would like them to stay that way. And

01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:54.460
I love the Sisters of Battle. I think the Space

01:18:54.460 --> 01:18:56.819
Marines and Sisters of Battle should both remain.

01:18:57.399 --> 01:18:59.859
I think we need more Sisters of Silence lore

01:18:59.859 --> 01:19:01.619
because they're really cool and they don't do

01:19:01.619 --> 01:19:04.619
anything with them. Anyway, should I read out

01:19:04.619 --> 01:19:07.159
another hot take? I've got one from the Beast.

01:19:07.380 --> 01:19:12.260
Mr. Beast. Not Mr. Beast. DJ Beast. That would

01:19:12.260 --> 01:19:16.640
be cringe. Like many have said, the prices are

01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:19.199
horrendous. A more personal issue is nobody playing

01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.300
any of the smaller scale Warhammer games in my

01:19:21.300 --> 01:19:24.350
city. I have the forces for a spearhead. but

01:19:24.350 --> 01:19:26.430
with nobody to play against. My Skaven are just

01:19:26.430 --> 01:19:29.010
hanging around. Same for if I want to spend and

01:19:29.010 --> 01:19:32.029
get a box of Kill Team. With no use for my Skaven,

01:19:32.170 --> 01:19:34.949
I've had to default to just using them for TTRPG

01:19:34.949 --> 01:19:38.170
games I run. Bonus take. They need to make paint

01:19:38.170 --> 01:19:40.829
taste better than pouring it on my food and it

01:19:40.829 --> 01:19:44.010
tastes like shit. Nuln Oil. It's an acquired

01:19:44.010 --> 01:19:47.270
taste, okay? Where did the Nuln Oil meme come

01:19:47.270 --> 01:19:51.229
from? Having a sophisticated palate? Mongoloid.

01:19:52.109 --> 01:19:55.600
Like, where did it come from? Who's been munching

01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.380
the Nuln oil? The thing is, I saw something recently

01:19:58.380 --> 01:20:03.239
where it was someone talking about... I saw something

01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:06.479
recently where it was just like people paint

01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:08.819
and they lick the brush. Maybe it was Peachy.

01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:10.659
They lick the brushes because it's like a kind

01:20:10.659 --> 01:20:13.779
of way to gauge how much water's in the brush

01:20:13.779 --> 01:20:18.880
or something. And I was just like, I really want

01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:23.359
to do a painting challenge. between like louise

01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:25.460
and peachy and be like all right you have this

01:20:25.460 --> 01:20:27.859
much time to paint this mini every time you lick

01:20:27.859 --> 01:20:30.460
your brush you lose a point and just see how

01:20:30.460 --> 01:20:33.819
like that like muscle memory in them like comes

01:20:33.819 --> 01:20:37.399
and they go just like because i think it's it's

01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:40.079
you shouldn't lick your brush you should keep

01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:42.439
it in your board we're literally eating plastic

01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:45.180
paint like this is it is on here we have enough

01:20:45.180 --> 01:20:48.220
microplastics in our system as it is i need eating

01:20:48.220 --> 01:20:51.529
the paint is not helping No, no. Look, plastic

01:20:51.529 --> 01:20:54.590
takes thousands of years to dissolve in the ocean,

01:20:54.710 --> 01:20:57.310
right? That means I'll be immortal. That's how

01:20:57.310 --> 01:21:02.470
it works. I don't know. The paint -licking side

01:21:02.470 --> 01:21:06.229
of it, I just... I don't know. I don't think

01:21:06.229 --> 01:21:08.550
that's our biggest concern. One of the things

01:21:08.550 --> 01:21:11.029
that happens is every Monday I do a show where

01:21:11.029 --> 01:21:13.250
I look at the event results from tournaments

01:21:13.250 --> 01:21:15.229
that have happened around the world. And if ever

01:21:15.229 --> 01:21:19.369
the results don't seem right, I'm like, hmm,

01:21:19.529 --> 01:21:21.409
I don't think they should be winning. That's

01:21:21.409 --> 01:21:24.489
weird. I always, and it's normally the US, I

01:21:24.489 --> 01:21:27.510
normally then Google the lead content of the

01:21:27.510 --> 01:21:33.699
water in that region. There's quite a correlation.

01:21:35.060 --> 01:21:39.159
I just bring it up live on screen. I'm like,

01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:46.060
in Ohio. Then I close the tab. Buy a nice water

01:21:46.060 --> 01:21:48.479
filter if you live in America. I think paint

01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:52.060
is the least of our worries. Probably better

01:21:52.060 --> 01:21:53.579
for you than American water at this point. Why

01:21:53.579 --> 01:21:56.079
do the Tyranids have a 100 % win rate in Flint,

01:21:56.159 --> 01:22:03.979
Michigan? brother in crime do you have another

01:22:03.979 --> 01:22:07.699
one on the list or yeah uh there's one from pyro

01:22:07.699 --> 01:22:11.899
my hot take nerf necrons i hate necrons not in

01:22:11.899 --> 01:22:14.460
lore they're one of my favorites there are they

01:22:14.460 --> 01:22:16.479
probably somewhat balanced and i simply am bad

01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:20.460
at fighting them probably do i care no it's real

01:22:20.460 --> 01:22:23.319
it's real their combat patrol makes me want to

01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:25.600
cry because their doomstalker and overlord have

01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:29.090
plus four invulnerability save is pain and that

01:22:29.090 --> 01:22:31.550
Doomstalker can do crazy damage. I love having

01:22:31.550 --> 01:22:33.850
my general turn one obliterated, because the

01:22:33.850 --> 01:22:36.590
funny Doomstalker decided no more synapse. Shadow

01:22:36.590 --> 01:22:39.689
in the warp for me, or fun for me. In normal

01:22:39.689 --> 01:22:42.250
games, they are also pain. Hyper Crypt Legion

01:22:42.250 --> 01:22:45.390
makes me weep. Stop teleporting! Your unit's

01:22:45.390 --> 01:22:47.829
every five seconds, and let me fight you, goddammit!

01:22:47.930 --> 01:22:50.909
Also, the monolith is insane, because any time

01:22:50.909 --> 01:22:54.970
I... anything near that thing gets atomized.

01:22:55.189 --> 01:22:58.869
I'm happy that thing is $149. It punishes people

01:22:58.869 --> 01:23:02.109
for using it. Also, Catan shards are pain. Why

01:23:02.109 --> 01:23:04.130
can't they just do half all the damage and take

01:23:04.130 --> 01:23:06.550
an addition to very strong abilities? Who thought

01:23:06.550 --> 01:23:08.989
of that? I wish whenever I come up with a fun

01:23:08.989 --> 01:23:11.510
army list, my first question isn't, how do I

01:23:11.510 --> 01:23:13.970
handle Necrons? If that is the first thing that

01:23:13.970 --> 01:23:16.430
comes to my mind, maybe they need a nerf. Is

01:23:16.430 --> 01:23:19.229
this probably a skill issue of my end? I wouldn't

01:23:19.229 --> 01:23:23.720
be surprised, but I need... to vent. That was

01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:27.140
a fun story. I think it sounds like you need

01:23:27.140 --> 01:23:29.800
to have friends who play more armies than one.

01:23:29.939 --> 01:23:31.819
It sounds like you play Necrons way too much.

01:23:32.819 --> 01:23:38.380
I have a friend who plays Tyranids and Necrons.

01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:42.020
When he plays his Tyranids, it's like 50 -50

01:23:42.020 --> 01:23:45.000
if either one of us will win. If he's playing

01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:48.279
his Necrons, it's guaranteed that he's going

01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:52.340
to win because my shit gets sent to the nether

01:23:52.340 --> 01:23:58.020
realm because he has two huge cannons that sit

01:23:58.020 --> 01:24:00.560
at the back of the field and a katana shot and

01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:04.680
it just like it just it's just death honestly

01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:07.319
like you can win in other ways but in terms of

01:24:07.319 --> 01:24:09.800
just straight up shooting like i don't know what

01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:14.159
even comes close to just i mean it rocks my world

01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:17.739
every time have you tried getting good I mean,

01:24:17.739 --> 01:24:26.659
I win. It feels crazy strong every time I use

01:24:26.659 --> 01:24:29.239
it. Also, every time I play against Custodes,

01:24:29.380 --> 01:24:32.199
I lose, and it's an awful experience. I feel

01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:34.260
like Necrons aren't so bad. What you should do

01:24:34.260 --> 01:24:37.880
is every time you lose a match against an army

01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:40.220
in some way, is make a video about how they suck

01:24:40.220 --> 01:24:44.659
and their lore is bad and they're dumb. so people

01:24:44.659 --> 01:24:46.880
will know the good word. I've never done that,

01:24:46.899 --> 01:24:52.720
of course. I would never do that. Colin does

01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:57.140
the most prized content, such as the 10 -hour

01:24:57.140 --> 01:24:59.840
Carl Franz Summon the Elector Count video. Classic

01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:05.539
video. It was one hour. Oh, still. It felt like

01:25:05.539 --> 01:25:13.119
10. But it was a good meme. last two here that

01:25:13.119 --> 01:25:15.680
we'll wrap up on just obviously we're gonna hold

01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:17.800
everyone hostage here for hours but we do appreciate

01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:20.439
everyone for giving so many of these like amazing

01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:22.779
comments they are uh really really appreciated

01:25:22.779 --> 01:25:25.039
guys and we did obviously there are quite a few

01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:27.520
of them that were similarish in terms like most

01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:31.640
people's complaints were like expensive but we

01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:34.789
you know we feel that we feel that There's wonderful

01:25:34.789 --> 01:25:38.529
websites based in China that have very affordable

01:25:38.529 --> 01:25:41.949
Warhammer models. You shouldn't be mentioning

01:25:41.949 --> 01:25:45.609
it because that's what they get on top of. He's

01:25:45.609 --> 01:25:46.989
not endorsing it. He's just saying that they're

01:25:46.989 --> 01:25:49.130
there. Isn't that interesting? There's a website

01:25:49.130 --> 01:25:52.710
called War Table Games that exists. Well, now

01:25:52.710 --> 01:25:57.989
he's saying it. Anyway. Oh, no. I'm not endorsing

01:25:57.989 --> 01:26:02.109
anything. There's one by literally, there's a

01:26:02.109 --> 01:26:07.340
comment here by Hal's alter count, which is really

01:26:07.340 --> 01:26:12.279
not a sure thing, buddy. Bad experience. I am.

01:26:12.670 --> 01:26:15.770
In some ways, the anti -Colin. Just as he hates

01:26:15.770 --> 01:26:17.890
Khorne and Bretonnians because of playing against

01:26:17.890 --> 01:26:21.789
them, so I hate the knife ears. Back when I first

01:26:21.789 --> 01:26:24.329
discovered Rogue Trader, the only people who

01:26:24.329 --> 01:26:27.630
also played near me were the biggest, cheatiest,

01:26:27.750 --> 01:26:30.510
and entitled bastards you could find. The very

01:26:30.510 --> 01:26:33.569
embodiments of that guy. And they all played

01:26:33.569 --> 01:26:36.310
knife ears. Brackets, I was a boring marine player

01:26:36.310 --> 01:26:39.729
at first. I deserve fate. Never mind. All sympathy

01:26:39.729 --> 01:26:42.760
is gone. In addition to the standard underhanded

01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:46.159
tactics, see Auspex tactics video, brackets,

01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:48.880
they are also whiny hypocrites. For example,

01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:51.539
when the Eldar first got Aspect Warriors and

01:26:51.539 --> 01:26:54.539
the freaking Avatar, brackets, back before the

01:26:54.539 --> 01:26:57.960
joke, Marines got plus one toughness and they

01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:00.920
threw endless tantrums about Marines favoritism

01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:04.579
because of it. Brackets, this is pre -Ward, was

01:27:04.579 --> 01:27:08.220
he pre -Matt Ward? So Marines were the Avatar

01:27:08.220 --> 01:27:11.130
who later became. He still works there. Really?

01:27:11.310 --> 01:27:15.210
Yeah, he came back. He writes loads of stuff.

01:27:15.270 --> 01:27:17.050
They just don't put his name on it. He did like

01:27:17.050 --> 01:27:20.029
the 8th edition Gathering Storm books and loads

01:27:20.029 --> 01:27:22.529
of stuff. And that's not out of like... They

01:27:22.529 --> 01:27:25.090
just don't credit people anymore. It wasn't them

01:27:25.090 --> 01:27:26.729
being nice. It's like, he does loads of stuff.

01:27:27.329 --> 01:27:30.010
He's a nice guy. I didn't know that. He's my

01:27:30.010 --> 01:27:33.329
goat. I love Matt Ward. Get him on next time.

01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:36.460
And it goes on apparently. Oh, and speaking of

01:27:36.460 --> 01:27:39.000
that burning douche, they also claim that laser

01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:41.539
weapons count as heat weapons. So it's immune

01:27:41.539 --> 01:27:45.079
to them as well because physics. Yes, they killed

01:27:45.079 --> 01:27:47.800
cat girls. As I said, they were all that guys.

01:27:48.340 --> 01:27:50.899
It's also not just Warhammer. Knife ears were

01:27:50.899 --> 01:27:53.199
the normal go -to choice for the cheating power

01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:56.659
playing douche in practically every game I've

01:27:56.659 --> 01:27:59.800
played. So yeah, well, I hate knife ears as much

01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:03.699
as Colin hates corn in the French. Wow. Crazy.

01:28:04.119 --> 01:28:06.979
Wow. Eldar have a track record of being very

01:28:06.979 --> 01:28:09.859
OP on the table. Yeah. But they have no lore

01:28:09.859 --> 01:28:12.739
that is good. So just let it, just let us know.

01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:16.000
All I can say is I did a video a day on Eldar

01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:18.420
lore for a month. Did anyone watch it? No, but

01:28:18.420 --> 01:28:21.920
it's there if you want to watch it. All of the

01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:25.060
Eldar fans did watch it, Andy. Yeah, all 10 of

01:28:25.060 --> 01:28:29.279
them. It was great. All fans docking together.

01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:36.859
Last one here by Grail Mike. Hashtag screw Aberrash.

01:28:37.659 --> 01:28:40.579
Hot take. I think GW hasn't made the tabletop

01:28:40.579 --> 01:28:43.739
bad enough. I think they should make some of

01:28:43.739 --> 01:28:47.920
the minis horrible and some of the minis beautiful

01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:51.140
while being released at the same date and in

01:28:51.140 --> 01:28:55.510
the same army, I think. rules should be so broken

01:28:55.510 --> 01:28:58.510
brackets only Bretonnia and Space Marines but

01:28:58.510 --> 01:29:01.529
they physically can't lose and some should be

01:29:01.529 --> 01:29:05.029
so bad that eating your opponent's minis will

01:29:05.029 --> 01:29:09.050
be less painful I think all GW minis should be

01:29:09.050 --> 01:29:12.789
at a minimum 100 US dollars I think that should

01:29:12.789 --> 01:29:16.170
be a rule that if you paint your mini too well

01:29:16.170 --> 01:29:21.710
that you can't shower I'm a law guy mandatory

01:29:22.029 --> 01:29:27.329
Brittonia reference. Wow. Thanks, Mike. Really

01:29:27.329 --> 01:29:32.229
a hero. Yeah, that's awesome. Does anyone have

01:29:32.229 --> 01:29:34.529
a proper mini that they think is really ugly

01:29:34.529 --> 01:29:39.750
in the current ranges that people see? Do you

01:29:39.750 --> 01:29:43.390
think he's ugly as a mini? I have some Vespid.

01:29:43.569 --> 01:29:46.149
Some old OG Vespid. They're ugly, but I love

01:29:46.149 --> 01:29:52.560
them. I think they're an amazing model. I kind

01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:58.319
of hate Chaos Spawn at the moment. One of them

01:29:58.319 --> 01:30:03.659
has a cool face. The other one looks goofy. The

01:30:03.659 --> 01:30:07.800
Chaos Spawn is severely outdated. My internet

01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:14.560
just dropped. I'm still here. Don't worry. Don't

01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:18.000
worry, Colin. We got you. Everything started

01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.720
loading for me for a second and no one was talking.

01:30:21.119 --> 01:30:25.420
I was very confused. Yeah, I just think the Chaos

01:30:25.420 --> 01:30:28.899
Spawn model and the fact they made Chaos Spawn

01:30:28.899 --> 01:30:31.619
kind of good at the moment in basically so many

01:30:31.619 --> 01:30:34.979
armies. Why? Everyone's just running around with

01:30:34.979 --> 01:30:38.779
these ugly models in the moment and not in a

01:30:38.779 --> 01:30:45.550
cool way. Mine is the wood elf beast pack you

01:30:45.550 --> 01:30:49.270
can buy for the old world because it is wild

01:30:49.270 --> 01:30:54.329
animals that I could, I can go to like, well,

01:30:54.409 --> 01:30:57.229
I guess, you know, remember the fallen toys are

01:30:57.229 --> 01:31:00.409
us, but I can go to Walmart, buy something the

01:31:00.409 --> 01:31:04.090
same size and slap it on a base. It's a good

01:31:04.090 --> 01:31:08.600
kit. That's a good kit. I appreciate the classics

01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:10.880
are available. I always think these old models

01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:14.079
should be in some way available to get, but...

01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:19.960
It's terrible. Have you seen the Mounted Yeoman?

01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:25.960
Oh, yeah. You know it's bad when there's a chuckle

01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:28.579
that goes afterwards. Then, you know, it's like,

01:31:28.659 --> 01:31:31.880
oh, we all know. There's a lot of ugly Lord of

01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:34.449
the Rings models as well. I have a lot of ugly

01:31:34.449 --> 01:31:35.989
Lord of the Rings models, but they have charm.

01:31:36.189 --> 01:31:39.529
Is it the old Alariel, which looks like the 80s

01:31:39.529 --> 01:31:42.310
dress, and the butterfly wings? You should see

01:31:42.310 --> 01:31:47.770
the old Marathi model. Gee! Just checked, by

01:31:47.770 --> 01:31:52.649
the way, $79 for the mountain human. I love the

01:31:52.649 --> 01:31:56.069
30 -year -old models for a new... It's so crazy.

01:31:56.670 --> 01:31:59.170
I mean, that's a crime, probably, in three states.

01:31:59.470 --> 01:32:03.930
It's that ugly. although I think if I might wrap

01:32:03.930 --> 01:32:05.970
up with like any more donos there Andy I think

01:32:05.970 --> 01:32:09.689
that's all we got oh perfect then I think though

01:32:09.689 --> 01:32:11.909
again everyone thank you guys so much for all

01:32:11.909 --> 01:32:14.970
your all the comments who you know everyone who

01:32:14.970 --> 01:32:17.489
basically gave all the things in discord really

01:32:17.489 --> 01:32:19.949
appreciate it obviously if you wish to be featured

01:32:19.949 --> 01:32:25.840
in previous previous upcoming episodes Join the

01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:28.899
Discord. Literally, we will be reading your things.

01:32:29.579 --> 01:32:32.779
We will be reacting to memes that make fun of

01:32:32.779 --> 01:32:36.880
us every single day. And propping our faces onto

01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:38.300
many different characters. You make quite a few

01:32:38.300 --> 01:32:41.239
of those. It's hard for us to not see them. Maybe

01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:44.199
we will see the fourth pregnant Colin meme. We

01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:48.119
will see. There are four iterations of a pregnant

01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:50.840
drawing of Colin. Yeah, I keep getting drawn

01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:55.680
pregnant. I don't... I don't get it, but I also

01:32:55.680 --> 01:33:00.840
can't stop anyone. It's modern art. Is it? It's

01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:07.199
modern. Life finds a way. So does creativity.

01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:11.039
Don't Jeff Goldblum my pregnancy art. Don't do

01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:18.460
that. Don't say that. I was going to say, I think

01:33:18.460 --> 01:33:19.979
you were about to beat me to it though. Thank

01:33:19.979 --> 01:33:22.500
you very much, Rob, for joining us today. I really

01:33:22.500 --> 01:33:24.920
appreciate it. And I feel very honored. So thanks

01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:26.960
very much. You've all been wonderful to spend

01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:29.840
time with. It's a bit of a silly pod to say the

01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:31.840
least. It's a bit scattershot and a bit all over

01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:33.840
the place, especially an episode like this. But

01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:37.279
before we do wrap it up, yeah, slightly. Did

01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:39.140
you want to like mention any of the things you

01:33:39.140 --> 01:33:40.399
were, I know you've got the new channel, the

01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:42.500
honest heresy. Is there anything else that you

01:33:42.500 --> 01:33:46.300
wanted to mention? Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Go

01:33:46.300 --> 01:33:48.939
check that out if you want. That's fine. Or don't.

01:33:48.939 --> 01:33:54.420
I don't care. No one else is going to read the

01:33:54.420 --> 01:33:58.859
Heresy rulebook. It's just me. As we proved earlier,

01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:03.739
no one wants to read a rulebook. I must ask my

01:34:03.739 --> 01:34:08.079
question. Yes. The most important question that

01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:12.000
I ask every guest. What's your favorite Call

01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:16.260
of Duty Zombies map? Oh, I... not played call

01:34:16.260 --> 01:34:19.239
of duty we haven't got a good answer for this

01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:26.739
sounds like six guests oh my gosh sorry it's

01:34:26.739 --> 01:34:32.680
all right i have another attribute to oh no as

01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:36.819
well all right okay rob god damn it oh my gosh

01:34:36.819 --> 01:34:40.840
i already know this is you get it's a would you

01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:44.109
rather kind of thing but okay you get the ability

01:34:44.109 --> 01:34:48.170
to do a double jump. So one jump, and then like

01:34:48.170 --> 01:34:50.970
Mario, in midair, you get a double jump. But

01:34:50.970 --> 01:34:54.850
every time you do the second jump, you shit yourself.

01:34:55.229 --> 01:34:57.850
Yeah. I mean, yeah, absolutely, no question.

01:34:58.170 --> 01:35:01.010
Why would you not take the deal? DK was the only

01:35:01.010 --> 01:35:03.989
one who said no to that. Why wouldn't you? How

01:35:03.989 --> 01:35:07.670
often do you need the double jump? Yeah, I don't

01:35:07.670 --> 01:35:09.989
often need to double jump. But I do often...

01:35:10.569 --> 01:35:12.890
But I do often shit myself, so I'm only really

01:35:12.890 --> 01:35:16.569
gaining in this situation. If you get hit by

01:35:16.569 --> 01:35:18.890
a truck, a double jump where you shit yourself

01:35:18.890 --> 01:35:21.789
is a better alternative than flat. No, all I'm

01:35:21.789 --> 01:35:23.350
seeing here is a future where I'm gaining something.

01:35:23.550 --> 01:35:27.260
I've already got the negative stat. I'm just

01:35:27.260 --> 01:35:30.279
winning. I didn't really ponder this before,

01:35:30.420 --> 01:35:34.439
but if your guts are feeling really bad that

01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:36.859
you ate terrible food or something, you literally

01:35:36.859 --> 01:35:41.060
could double jump and evacuate. If you're worried

01:35:41.060 --> 01:35:43.619
about accuracy, just do it at night, go to a

01:35:43.619 --> 01:35:46.340
ditch, and then you won't ass blast all over

01:35:46.340 --> 01:35:50.159
your toilet. You can also use it offensively,

01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:54.359
right? I see some alright people and I just double

01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:57.979
jump over them and shit on their heads. Also,

01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:02.119
I like the idea that you could go to the doctor

01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:03.340
and you're like, right, you're coming up to that

01:36:03.340 --> 01:36:06.119
age now. Gotta have the prostate exam. Please

01:36:06.119 --> 01:36:09.279
go to the gymnasium and then we'll be ready for

01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:13.319
you. Do you know the... Have you seen the 2003

01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:16.220
Clone Wars cartoon made by the same guy who animated

01:36:16.220 --> 01:36:21.279
Samurai Jack? Maybe not. I've seen most of it.

01:36:21.420 --> 01:36:23.600
It's really good, but in it, General Grievous

01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:26.239
is flying all over the place because it's the

01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:29.079
most insane fighting choreography. You can just

01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:31.199
do what he did. You're just back -flipping mid

01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:35.760
-air, except you're shitting all over them. And

01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:37.699
then in the live action, they're like, Grievous

01:36:37.699 --> 01:36:40.239
is too OP. We need to give him asthma. Okay.

01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:45.000
Blade of Shrek music in the chat says Hal just

01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:47.920
wants to justify him pooping his pants. Wow.

01:36:48.060 --> 01:36:53.109
Absolutely. And on that note. Thank you everyone

01:36:53.109 --> 01:36:56.649
for listening, watching. Please subscribe. All

01:36:56.649 --> 01:36:58.689
that good stuff you made at the end of the episode.

01:36:59.369 --> 01:37:02.409
There's no reward. You endured the terrible would

01:37:02.409 --> 01:37:04.930
you rather question. I'm so sorry. Thank you

01:37:04.930 --> 01:37:07.590
Rob again for coming along for this somewhat

01:37:07.590 --> 01:37:10.109
of a journey. We'll see you guys all in the next

01:37:10.109 --> 01:37:11.630
one. Peace. Bye.