Hello, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.
It's Law Crimes. Hello, you. Evening, brothers
and sisters. New series, new series, new series.
New series, yes, indeed. I was like, once again,
Eli may pop in, to be fair, tonight. Eli's been
a busy boy this week, though, but rest assured,
the Short King will be back. We're going to kill
him for it. Yeah, we're getting him a, you know,
like a baby booster seat. You know, one that's
been lost. Today though, this is a bit of a my
brain child, my fault. Today is we listen and
we don't judge. This is a new Warhammer podcast
style episode where we asked you, the beautiful
people who are in our Discord, again if you wish
to join the Discord, there are links below. We
asked you beautiful Warhammer fans about your
opinions and we wanted you to help us. you know
get get the bile out get the hate out um today's
topic of we listen and we don't judge uh we asked
you uh which part of the law just sucks straight
up it's like you would delete it you would you
know it's uh was it you get lenny'd uh from mice
and men you know you take it out back and you
let it stroke the mice and then it's gone uh
or and then we did ask for the mice we asked
red caviar if you did want to if you had a way
of fixing it you know let us know as well uh
today though we are gonna hear your thoughts
your feelings and we're not gonna judge them
uh i did ask the boys we do have to say it as
a group though uh for the first one though i
will be uh taking helmspot though but if you
guys are with me uh i'll say it right now we
listen and we don't judge repeat after me colin
and andy we listen all right and we don't judge
with one exception this is how's gameplay footage
so if he does badly we definitely judge this
but that's the exception that's the only one
okay okay we listen and we don't judge judge
thank you boys thank you okay we had our first
submission here uh for the live stream people
you may not be as is but for the video people
you will be seeing the actual text on screen
but we were reading it out for you people who
did lovely submissions the first one was from
Bloody Shirt Music who's a regular in the channel
we love you brother he says my number one issue
with the law is that the John Blanche style of
art and grim dark feelings it invokes has gone
by the wayside Too much hope in the current law.
Humanity has a leg up on everyone due to writer
bias, and the fact that the Imperium faction
models drive sales. 40k is not nearly as grimdark
as it could be, or used to be. Look at the short
story Raid on Castrol Novem. It's a perfect 40k,
and they don't write stuff of this quality anymore.
I mean, is he wrong, though? I must admit, bear
in mind, and I mentioned this briefly before
to Hal and Colin before we started, I've been
doing a lot of Drukari content because I've just
started my Eldar month of content. And so I listened
to the new Lelith Hesperax book by Mike Brooks,
and I was kind of set back by just how undrukari
it was. There wasn't any like... particularly
evil character and like i'm also simultaneously
reading the andy chambers trilogy the path of
the archon slash incubus and that book you really
are steeped in all these people are terrible
and i kind of don't like any of them but this
is a fun story i didn't have that with the lelith
book because it was like a love story and there
wasn't like enough people being turned into lamps
it was a bit weird uh and there is like a kind
of um a gloss on even like the space marines
nowadays they're very clean and they're very
you know neat and tidy whereas you look at the
old art and it's like lots of grubbules all over
their armor and like tattered banners and looking
a bit menacing and scarred up lots of ruined
faces not enough people furniture you would you
say i mean yeah yeah i tend to i wouldn't even
I mean, I can't judge this one at all because
I think it's kind of spot on. I think GW do realize
like there was like phases when Warhammer was,
I mean, I don't know what I would describe it
as like pop art or like, you know, I'm talking
green goblin bases and it looks like, you know,
it's like it's not taking itself too seriously.
And then Grimdark was almost. We hit Demonculaba
levels, and I don't know if I want to explain
that for the non -initiated Demonculaba people.
Essentially, people skin baby sacks things. I
don't think it gets any more grimdark than that.
At least, I don't know if you guys know anything
particularly worse than Demonculaba. But I think...
I think Grimdark is definitely, it's fallen by
the wayside and it's, I think it's almost like
it's reserved for certain factions. I mean, if
you look for the visual people who can't see
it, I have certain like, you know, display, not
sponsored by the way, hope you one day, display
posters. And I've got like Frag behind me. And
I also have the ninth edition, like Chaos Codex
cover art, which I would describe as Grimdark.
And that one is, you know, Battle of Macragge
is quite. a bit older now and then the ninth
edition codex is only a few years old so it's
still kind of there but i know what you mean
andy where like there's a lot of mid yeah what
about you colin any thoughts on the the grimless
dark future i i'm not i don't want to call it
outright like a drop in quality necessarily um
I'm trying to think how to word it. Like, all
right, for example, Infinite and the Divine,
you know, it's not, certainly not a very grim,
dark book. It's a good book. It's a very fun
read. It's not, and I would still say it's, you
know, it's very much a Warhammer book, but it's
certainly not, you know, grim and dark. And there's
a couple other books that aren't. uh, off the
top of my head, you know, aren't super archivist
cane is obviously the biggest one, but there's
a rogue trader book I read a little while ago.
And that wasn't, you know, super grim or dark.
And they still, you know, feel kind of like Warhammer
books, but I probably would agree that like overall,
it's like, there's not enough misery anymore.
There are too many people that seem you're kind
of going a little bit outright heroic with some
of these fellas. And I don't know how to feel
about that. although i do think it's worth pointing
out there is one bastion of grimdark and weirdly
enough it's the animations like all the animations
it's like the tithes one two main characters
like it's pretty grim it's like oh my brothers
are being harvested to death tithes episode oh
we're like there's a bit where like one of the
psychos runs away and then the lady in charge
is like No, Arbiter, if you shoot one of those
psychers, they'll kill us all because they're
worth more than all of us combined. And then,
like, they're being shipped off to be fed to
the Golden Throne. Then there's the other Tyrus
episode. Oh, we've just done this. Procure the
ammunition from this battle zone and deprive
the soldiers of bullets to fight the enemies,
the orcs that are trying to kill them, only to
be stacked onto a bunch of shipping containers
on a planet with abundant ammunition just because
some bureaucrat said, no, they can't have ammo.
We need it somewhere else. And it's going to
waste. And it's like... hammer and bolter episodes
where it's the you know what's more grim than
the the floating down ultramarine gravis armors
fighting the elder that's pretty grim but in
all seriousness like even the um the gene stealer
episode where it's like oh these civilians are
trying to escape the tyrannical imperium and
why are they being so cruel and then there's
the reveal where they have the ridged foreheads
you go oh no that's why they were being so cruel
and like the animations are really grimdark and
i like that um do you almost feel like they like
they feel like they've almost like covered it
do you know what i mean like there's almost like
a sense of we don't need to rehash it we already
know it's grim and dark so i think but you know
what it is it's probably it's grim and dark it's
not necessarily grim dark anymore if you know
what i mean there's a certain dark you don't
want to keep repeating yourself but at the same
time it's it is also you know in the grim darkness
of the 41st millennia if you get away from that
too much it kind of it does kind of start losing
some of the charm and and i think there's also
an element of like when you have chaos and the
drukhari and the tyranids like you need to keep
a con like you don't have to keep a contrast
between like the the better factions but it's
kind of hard to press to be like okay they got
the guys that eat everyone the guys that skin
everyone and the guys that laugh while skinning
people to sacrifice their souls to eternal torment
and it's like what have you got imperium we don't
have unions like oh okay i don't know that's
like that's like a not not quite true but like
they're pretty tyrannical but it's like the alternative
is so grim yeah i would say i would say like
I think it's a nice softball start. I think a
lot of people who are older Warhammer fans will
probably feel that, but maybe people who are
newer into the setting are probably also thinking,
I don't know what you're on about, bro. Certainly
not one I would hold any judgment if you felt
like, yeah, it's kind of gone too far away from
what I like. Not a bad start, I'd say, but I
think it's progressively going to get worse.
As I asked Colin, if you would please choose
the next one. Sure thing. Thank you very much.
That was, uh, is that blow shirt music? Yeah.
Blow shirt music. Thank you for that one, brother.
Appreciate it. Uh, the next one is Vokey. Oh
boy. If only if, if Eli were still here, he'd
be all over this one. Uh, Malekith, not being
Phoenix King after all being retconned in AOS,
the original end times twist was bad, but going
forth and retconning something just makes readers
lose interest in the setting. If things keep
changing without reason. make up your mind james
workshop this is now how do you how do you feel
about it this is interesting so taking a lot
of what he said isn't inherently even something
i disagree with like especially the going back
and forth and retconning something like just
because it got a negative reaction is uh is the
grave that Star Wars Episode IX and Halo Infinite
are lying in. Yeah. Where the last thing that
was released was Abominable, so they tried to
move on from it, but now you have a movie and
a game that are just kind of incoherent and feel
like there was an in -between movie slash game
that really should have happened. Do you think
he should be the Phoenix King then? Is that what
you're... I can't believe Colin would imply like
Malekith should be the Phoenix King. No, I'm
going to say, I think honestly the, the biggest
reason that I think to disagree with this, I
mean, when I, again, he, the, the, the comment
that did acknowledge it was, it was dog shit
to begin with. So, you know, he did it. And that
was at least thrown in. I don't mind that it's
retconned. And in a way they didn't retcon him
being, you know, the phoenix king he was like
he was the phoenix king in the end times they
didn't get rid of that they retconned all the
other phoenix kings didn't they as well as part
of it in some way they retconned them all secretly
being fakes that's so dumb though like can that
can we acknowledge like how many phoenix kings
have there probably been like at least over 10
right and tell me they all faked it Yeah, that's
essentially what they retconned. The end time
set up was always supposed to be Malekith and
then AOS was like, yeah, they've all got a little
bit of Assyrian's power. They retconned it. I
think something why I'm going to disagree with
that is that it's also a matter of scale. Because
at the end of the day, it's not a retcon that
changes what happened. It kind of does change
the motivations a bit and the like the Like the
specifics? It's like the Horus heresy. Like the
specifics of the Emperor's duel with Horus have
certainly been... I mean, that's like... The
Siege of Terra has retconned original lore, right?
Yeah, they actually play a card game in the middle
of their duel. They literally Yu -Gi -Oh card
in the middle of Horus versus the Emperor. Yeah,
which as an aside... and everyone's hopes were
dashed that actually sanguis went mental and
he killed horus and then the emperor had to put
him down it's like nah fun fan fiction but no
no that's good fun theory but no that would be
nice anguis was used to mop the floor 100 like
he got it he got it he became a wall ornament
but still it's like i viewed that that particular
aos retcon in that vein where it's like yeah
the story of the emperor and horus i mean it's
been through like fucking 10 retcons at this
point, probably, if you went through every single
iteration of it. But, you know, Horace and Big
E still threw down. Horace super died. Big E
only kind of died. And, you know, that hasn't
changed. So it's kind of how I view that one.
The principle I do like that, you know, don't
just retcon something because it's bad, but it's
like a soft retcon. I think there's a scale to
it. If that makes sense where it's like also
probably like lessening the blow a little bit
is even if they completely changed it and was
like, yeah, no, he was never the Phoenix King
and it was all a dream right before the world
blew up. It'd be like, well, the world still
blew up. There's no future plot points. Malekith
being the Phoenix King, like no plot points are
being hurt by that one being changed because
the plot is over. thank you for coming everyone
there is no more phoenix king i'm not gonna lie
though i will judge uh our contributor though
for saying that malekith you know just stick
with it and just be the phoenix king because
i honestly don't think it was like there was
no point in him like he's evil like let him be
evil bro he doesn't need a redemption arc you
can't be evil for like how many thousands of
years and be like you know what turns out i was
you know like it's like bruh i well i know this
is we are now in a oblivion remaster world but
you know path max kind of did that didn't he
he's like i i used to be i used to be bad but
now i'm good i they could have they could have
done a they could have done an infinitely better
job which you know sure enough vocale said as
much the original in times twist was bad uh but
i this one again like for all the reasons i like
again the setting is The plot lines ended and
they didn't retcon the event. They retconned
some of the specifics. So I don't think that
one in particular is bad. But yeah, there's certainly
a lot of other things. I was going to say also,
hello, a border prince in the chat. Hello. Oh,
hello, brother. Good to see you. So that's kind
of where I lie. How about you? How about you,
gentlemen? I just don't think he should have
been Phoenix King. I mean, I think the comments
spot on in terms of the feeling of sometimes
you don't have to always keep retconning stuff
to stick with your guns, even if not everyone
liked it. At least we appreciate that. But also
I disagree with the guy saying, I do judge him
for, no, sorry, it's a no judgment zone. Apologies.
We listen and we don't judge. I do not judge
him for thinking Malekith should have been a
Phoenix King. Because, you know, he deserves
worse. Andy, though, we do have another one as
well. Would you like to take this one before?
I'll say again, reminding everyone, we do listen
and we don't judge. We're here, safe space. We've
got another law crimes veteran giving a contribution.
We've got Main Event Virgil. And the prompt is,
the fact that there are two missing Primarchs
is dumb as hell. Think of all the interesting
things you could have done with two more legions
and all the themes left unexplored. You could
have had samurai space Marines in brackets. Don't
say mantis warriors like six people know about
them. And at least one of them is on the podcast.
Yeah. Or they could have done literally anything
with hundreds of cultures. History has to offer.
Instead, we're left with a giant gaping black
hole in the middle of the law, which. let's be
honest, revolves around the Primarchs. There's
not a lot we can do about it now. The best I
can offer is that Gilman or the Lion find out
the fate of the second Primarchs and try to make
chapters with their gene seed or discover some
already made those chapters and name them. So...
I think we're going to be divisive on this one.
I've got... I disagree. I disagree with... I
have... Before I say why that's like any like
opinion, I think I read a reason for why they
exist to begin with. The original point of the
two missing Primarchs was just a reference to
the Teteberg legions at Rome. You know, the ones
that got obliterated in Germania. History. And
the writers. Yeah, the writers didn't really.
It was just kind of like a cool little thing
like, oh, we got two more legions we don't really
talk about anymore. And so, you know, in theory,
they did something so bad, even worse than Horus.
And the writers didn't really think at the time
how that might pan out. And we're now kind of
with the point where we have these two, you know,
Primarchs, who in theory did something even worse
than Horus. We just end up with what, like, now
the issue is it's like... Horus joined hell and
killed the Emperor, and they still did something
worse. You can't explain that without being disappointing.
Well, I think the thing... There's two points
about that specific point, though. One, it's
like the Emperor obviously nipped it in the bud
before it became a Horus -equivalent threat.
But I think the thing is, though, that I would
say I actually like that there's a bit of mystery
in the setting in that regard, because... Like
Main Event Virgil said, the Primarchs are somewhat
the fulcrum to which Warhammer evolves. Everything
comes back to Primarchs. Most people are like,
oh, Xenos are fun. It's like, let's be honest,
people love the Space Marines, and the Space
Marines are heavily rooted in the tree of life
that is Primarchs. And I think it's cool to have
a couple of them that, one, give you a bit of
grounding and say, hey, look, even before the
Horus Heresy, they weren't infallible. And it
gives you a bedrock to be like, okay, they can
fuck up. They can completely go against their
calling, their nature as sons of the emperor.
And that means that it doesn't just come out
of the blue, but also I like, for example, when
you think of like an early IP, like Alien, everyone
loved the Alien series when we didn't know how
the xenomorphs were made or who the predators
were. And then we watched Prometheus and we're
like, oh. Although that's how they're made. Okay.
I guess. And like when you've removed the mystery
of like these enigmatic characters or factions
or species, the mystery itself can, can be a
detriment because it's like the untold rule of
horror films, for example, is the best horror
is the stuff you don't see because you make a
unique type of horror in your brain from the
little bits of scant information you have. And
that would be way more terrifying than making
a CGI goober. And by the same extension, having
narrative plots that aren't resolved, that are
little blind spots. You go, what's going on with
that? Like, where did the Tyranids come from?
I never want to know because they're more menacing,
knowing that there's speculation. And with the
Primarchs in mind, the lost Primarchs, I hope
they remain enigmatic because I don't want to
delve into that. We've got enough Primarchs.
I mean, how many people... No more Primarchs,
please. We've got enough. There's enough Primarch
to go around. We can share Primarch. I was just
really quick. I agree. One thing about a mystery
is when you solve the mystery, there is nothing
left to talk about. It's like you're reading
a Sherlock Holmes book. It's like, well, kind
of at the end of the book, he solves the mystery
we can all go home now like there's rereading
like a mystery book or playing like a mystery
game is almost kind of pointless it's like well
i know what i know what happened like there's
no suspense anymore plus there is also the you
know if it's a bad mystery like if the twist
turns out to be shit it's like well now there's
nothing left to talk about except you know the
the reveal and i hate the reveal so now we're
just double screwed because what they came up
with was bad which i know like fear of them cocking
it up isn't shouldn't be the main reason they
don't reveal but for something this big it i
do feel it's both healthier to leave it alone
and i they would have to do something real big
for it to be to lead up to like to live up to
i mean god 20 plus years of however many years
of real -life build -up. If you do not absolutely
nail it, this is going to just suck. There's
no in -between. I don't think this can be an
okay reveal. They would have to nail it or...
The surprise would be in the box the whole time.
But also to the micro point in... virgil's thing
about like space marine legion descendants like
we already kind of have that because we know
the ultramarines and imperial fists received
the the kind of the leftovers of those legions
and there's a whole theory about for example
the soul drinkers they're recorded as an imperial
fist chapter but then we find out in their own
books that they're not sons of and it's like
what the heck's that about we know your history
we know you come from the um The sword brethren
of the original Imperial Fists, kind of like
the Black Templars. But you're not genetically
tied to Rogaldorn. Maybe they're from one of
the two legions. And it would make sense why
they're so weird. A guy in charge has spider
legs. That's pretty messed up. What's going on
there? You know what? With Virgil's point, I
actually have to disagree with him. I think there
should be twice the amount of missing Primarchs,
quite honestly. I would double it and hand it
to the next guy. You do realize that there are
seven missing loyalist Primarchs. We've got that.
No, he wants total no -namers. Would anybody
with a family and friends and a good life be
sad if the Alpha Legion and Raven Guard were
annihilated from Warhammer lore? The legions
died in the Horus heresy. Gone. I would not be
upset if Corvus Corax got shanked in the dark
and went missing. If Alpharius' own scheme backfired
and he ended up getting sucked into some blades
or something. Terrible ending. I think Virgil
has a point here. Virgil has a point here, which
is the legions are from a cultural inspiration
side like do i need another you know like someone's
like we've run out of greco -roman but don't
worry i've got more greco -roman in the back
like that's how it always feels uh so some of
them you know when they have the horrors heresy
or other things they should they had an opportunity
to address the point that virgin makes which
is like you know where's my samurai goddamn space
marines and i mean the legion of samurai space
we'll just put all the asians in the white scars
it's fine no yeah yeah is it jang zai khan is
more like japanese coded than for example like
target so they like then they go like oh he's
from a different planet that's why his arm is
like a little bit different he's got like the
samurai look he's got like a massive forehead
for some reason that's beside the point They're
Space Marines. I don't need a stealthy espionage
Space Marine. It's a shock troop. It's a tank.
I think if you... The Horus Heresy without the
Alpha Legion or Raven Guard is almost the exact
same thing, let's be honest. We're literally
watching you play Space Marine 2 as a Raven Guard.
What's going on? I'm just saying, I think you
could almost have it like we knew Corvus Corvus.
More of them should be dead, that's what I'm
saying. More should be dead. i i will say for
like the culture aspect it's like we don't need
another primark to have more cultures of space
marine like that that's that i will say that
is something i do just flat out disagree with
although i will heavily disagree with what hal
just said about the raven girl because like let's
be honest how cool is it to be like hey we're
gonna like stealthily sneak in like a sherman
tank within the midst of your lines like oh that's
pretty cool like How did you sneak that thing
in? It's huge, and it's deadly. I like that you
can just, yes, you can have them drop -potting
in, but I like the idea that you can just sneakily
hide a super soldier behind enemies' ranks, clad
like an Abrams. Yeah, that's our thing. Deal
with it. It's cool for it to be a part of other
things, though. It doesn't have to be a whole
Legion itself. I just thought... Virgil, I disagree
with some parts, but I agree with the second.
statement. I think we did have some donos before
we get way too far. Yes, we do. We have plenty
of donos. Thanks, everyone. So, first one from
Duartenwerther. Very fun name. When will Chegorak
get off his arse? Have some fun and have Lucius
constantly respawning Komara. That'd be kind
of funny. Well, to be fair, reading the books
I've been reading this last week, it seems like
he knows that he'll get ruffle stomped by Slaanesh.
So his whole thing is just, I'm going to hide
in the shadows and go, hee hee hee hee, and try
to whittle away Slaanesh's influence from the
shadows, because he knows if he goes, da -da,
it's like, crunk, dead. But he's a funny man.
He does sometimes punch Slaanesh in the jaw,
though. That's how he saves, he does save Slaanesh
from death. I do also like the tidbit that also,
apparently, occasionally, he just inhabits one
of his harlequins on the sly, and he's just like,
hee hee hee. I'm just a Harlequin. Don't mind
me. That's what I'm saying. Get rid of Ravengard
and Alpha Legion and give us more Eldar Horus
heresy. It would have been fun. Oh, here's Speak
of the Devil from earlier. Two bucks. Hal goons
to Father Dagon and Mother Hydra. Thanks, brother.
I'm much more of a Moloch Bar kind of dude. Oh,
dear. That's an interesting Daedric Prince to
prefer. Any particular reason? Actually, you
know what? I change it to Boethia. Put the pressure
on because now I'm getting out of that. Yeah,
maybe not. The god of what? Let's not say it.
Yeah. Fogless El Bosso. Five euros. Who wins?
Mr. Landlord from Smiling Friends or Sinch? Anywho,
praise to the dark gods. We're going to play
Need for Speed for the PlayStation 2 and smoke
weed and drink diet cola. Fuck, what did he say?
Zach is a treasure. He's not a national, he's
an international treasure. Best name ever. Optimus
Jedi for two bucks. The Suck TM. Erder. Erder.
Erder. Oh, wow. Absolute legend of the chat.
Shalaxy's Metascripper for 5k. Andy's Fixing
40k Warhammer podcast is according to my BF.
Sexy Bob the Builder. Can I fix it? No, it's
fucked. Yeah, thank you. It's good. Is Bob the
Builder not already sexy? I mean, sorry. Yerjo,
five bucks. He should read the Dawn of Fire series.
The Imperium only takes a dub in book three.
Every other book after book three is the Imperium
taking massive L's. But it also has the Wolf
Time and it's not the Wolf Time. That's the only
one I've read and I was like, this is a weird
book. My reference for that series is a bit skewed.
Do you want to get this one, Colin? Medicare
Insulin. Wow. Why the F are you guys so early?
Where's the fentanyl, Colin? I have asked to
do it an hour early because I need to go to my
grandma's later. Is that the Canadians? I also,
gentlemen, I apologize. I will be right back.
I am about to have an emergency. Go for it. Go
for it. It's all right. Go, go, go, go, go. We
got this. Tea. You guys should put a pic of Colin's
forehead up on the screen and play tic -tac -toe.
I'm glad he's not here to hear that. That's very
mean. Listen, okay? Everyone who's in the Discord,
post a pic of your hairlines before you insult
ours, okay? Okay, all right, yeah. You paid tic
-tac -toe on our foreheads. I'm pretty sure,
you know, we could fill out our tax forms on
some of you lot, okay? What's that saying? You
know, those in glass houses shouldn't throw boulders
or something like that? Smooth pebble heads.
Trello... Trelloac? Hegarty? Hegarty? For $10?
As a colossal Templars fan, I hate the fact that...
an ancient siggy managed to effectively beat
in brackets ignoring chaos shenanigans abby like
it had been better if abby one tapped him to
show hey i'm the big bad i mean it's kind of
a send -off to sigismund isn't it though he deserved
yeah and sigismund's a weird one just because
he's like um he's basically reputed as the space
marine and he's extremely terrifying when he's
imbued with the emperor's like faith so i think
that counters the ab and he's abaddon's not like
imbued with chaos yet and if he was it'd be a
trounce but i think and also abaddon's known
as like he just goes for the kill when he sees
it and he does he's like damn the consequences
and that's why he's so vicious but i don't i
don't mind ciggy getting a getting a good wind
it was a good fight uh that was an angry homunculus
for two pounds wasn't fire lord ozai the phoenix
kings tech is it the phoenix emperor in avatar
last airbender I don't remember. Oh, that's what
the reference... I don't know anime. I was like,
huh? It's been so long since I've seen Avatar
The Last Airbender, man. It's my childhood. I'm
an old man. Limper106 for five. First time catching
you live. Can we talk about Archeon having the
dumbest reason for turning to chaos? Or was that
retconned too? Thank you very much. Hope you're
enjoying the stream. It's not retconned. I don't
know much. I think if you check out a few episodes
back, our lovely friend MrDreadanon did point
out like... At the time, it was unique in terms
of Archeon's journey being I make my own destiny
and I'll do it because I want to do it, not because
I was told to. But then basically they kept copying
that and then Avedon was like, yeah, I'm not
going to be a champion of chaos unless I really
feel like it. Unless I'm in the movie. You know
what that reminds me of? It's like when your
mum tells you to clean your room. You're like,
yeah. I'll do it myself. And then you get forced.
It's like, I was going to do it anyway. It's
like Ryan from Office when he says, don't leave
me when I'm in the mood to be led. Like, that's
the kind of thing. Oh, this is moving. Oh, God.
I'm being targeted. Medicare insulin for five
bucks. Hal just hates... I guess it's Malekith
because he lost a prison shower fight post -soap
drop against him and the entirety of chaos. Bloody
hell. Thanks, brother. It's a long queue. Oh,
I like this. Law crimes littlest piggyback. Hello
again, friend. Five bucks. In brackets. Derogatory.
Derogatory. Oh, my God. Cute and concerning simultaneously.
Thank you guys so much. Neon. I haven't seen
you in a while. Good to see you, brother. 5 euros.
I have a plot hole in 40k. It's always bothered
me. So custodians are super expensive to create,
right? How did Big E create 10k of them on Terra?
Took him quite a while, and I guess maybe it
was easy with the Emperor? I don't know. To be
fair, he's also got a million worlds at the height
of their power. He had a rapid expanse through
the Great Crusade, where it's like... we've gone
from just terror to like oh all these like planets
that have been doing their own thing for like
several millennia oh your stuff's mine now lol
so i think they um like from the uh just like
a small lauded bit of that like a lot of them
were captured sons of uh post -terran warlords
so i think they all came in batches if i'm honest
brother they batch mate slightly and then uh
they also don't die really unless it was like
the horror they don't really die so they kind
of maintain their numbers well i i got told off
by a comment recently because of my custodians
videos like actually they do age because look
at treys and trajan valorous and i was like well
at the time i'm pretty sure the sources i was
saying like they don't age because they're custodians
but then all of a sudden trajan went from like
look at my like my my beard and my hair it's
like and it's like gray they just went screw
it he's gray now okay Where did that come from?
Yeah, some of them have, like, grey moustaches.
It's a choice, but, you know, maybe it's, like,
the whole thing is, like, the way to make them
isn't as good as when the Emperor did it. Maybe.
Groynath for 55 tri. Also, a military setting,
albeit a fictional one, needs special forces
and intelligence operatives. 40k is a military
setting in the end. we did have a uh a comment
very briefly on by a border prince our brother
in the chat he said uh please discuss gilliman
getting captured after rezzing then breaking
out of prison because they also kept all the
weapons and tanks in the next yeah that was a
bit of a blackstone conundrum wasn't it lovely
although i also find it amusing that if you play
the chaos campaign of battlefleet gothic you
basically just like capture gilliman and put
him in the hold of your like ship and he's like
oh you're Bunch of dicks. Shut up, Primark. I
won. Oh, that's crazy. How did this guy get...
How did you beat a Primark? That's crazy. Also,
last one from MonkeyMouse. DonkeyManUSA, five
bucks. Elated. Stream late due to Hal gooning
to Colin in Prague. Can't believe I was 30 minutes
late. DonkeyManUSA, appreciate it, brother. Thank
you. Thanks, buddy. The next prompt that I do
have... Let me grab that up for there. We didn't
do that, did we? This one was by, sorry, we listen
and we don't judge. Again, not judging. Ubertroll
said, one other gripe I have is how unbelievably
irrelevant Xenos feel to the plot of 40K. In
quotations, the Tyranids are a massive threat.
That always takes a backseat to chaos. The Tau
aren't going anywhere while Phil Kelly is pretty
much assassinating what made them unique. to
begin with. Do I need to explain the Eldar? The
Necrods had something going for them as a major
plot point before it fizzled out much for much
out for chaos threat. The Orcs are pretty much
cannon fodder and the main plot for the villain,
which is usually chaos. The Votan barely exist.
I mean, I mean, I would I can't even. It's valid.
It's so valid, man. To be fair, again, listening
to the Lelith new book, I was talking to Colin
about it in my thoughts as I was going through
it, and he mentioned, like, oh, it could be worse.
It could be the leagues of Wotan. And then a
minute afterwards, I was listening about how
a bunch of Wotan are captured and put in the
arena and, like, slaughtered. I'm like, oh, they
can't catch a break, dude. What's going on? This
is crazy. I don't think they know how to... It
depends, like, because, like, again... It's like
the Xenos stuff doesn't really fit into the grim,
dark vibes too much. Not as well as, not as much
as they can't do, but like nowhere near as well
as what is essentially a Space Marine and Chaos
story. It's why I like things like the Infinite
and the Divine. They basically end up being their
kind of own stories, like their own. The Infinite
and Divine is funny. The Orc books are, you know,
funny. So I just think GW don't. know a really
good way to kind of you know like it's that there
should be like things that complement each other
and like what adds on but rather they're just
like they're two different things fighting for
control of like you know like the protagonist
thing in the story um also to fail insight fairness
uh it is space reasons are just going to always
be the main thing you know bloody horrors heresy
is just space marines uh the xenos are even more
irrelevant in that one uh it does suck pretty
bad that xenos really don't get a lot of love
uh but i mean i mean they'd get more if we bought
more of their stuff that's the thing like they
yeah i mean even um i'm really enjoying the uh
the drukari books the trilogy i'm getting through
right now because it's it's so good at fleshing
out like what komora is about and the political
stuff and then there's all these disjunctions
which Because basically Komara is on the precipice
of falling into the clutches of Slaanesh. They're
all like, don't bring any psykers, don't do any
psyker stuff. We don't want to upset the balance.
And then the whole plot is about they're threatening
to cause a disjunction, which will veer it over
the proverbial tip of the iceberg. And I'm like,
that's really cool. Too bad, even in the Lelith
one, we don't really get much of that. Because
it's like, oh, Eldar, just so much potential
and no... no chance to shine which is and that's
coming from me mr space marine uh and there we
go and i mentioned eldar and here comes colin
hello buddy terribly sorry but that sounds perfect
if uh colin would like a brief summary of the
uh the prompt which i'll read i'll read out to
you con for your take uh it was by uber trolls
and he said uh one other gripe i have is with
how unbelievably irrelevant xenos feel to the
plot of 40k in brackets the tunid are a massive
threat But they always take a backseat to Chaos.
The Tau aren't going anywhere, while Phil Kelly
is pretty much assassinating what made them unique
to begin with. Do I need to explain the Eldar?
The Necrons had something going for them as a
major plot point before it filled out for my
Chaos threat. The Orcs are pretty much cannon
fodder in the main plot for villains, which is
usually Chaos. The Votan barely exist. Now, Colin,
this probably hits a bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's a
straight fact. I just, I just, I just agree on
all fronts. Like I, I honestly, I think more
so about the tiered isn't anything like, and
the orcs it's like, so you have these massive
hordes of all consuming, all fighting aliens.
You want to make them look threatening? No? Okay,
that's fine. The one Tyrandid win is going to
be decided by fans like with the Leviathan launch
when it was Tyrandids versus Space Marines. That's
the one win they're going to get is because the
fans voted for them to win because they've been
shit on for so long. I mean... It's a straight
fact. I feel they start doing it like... AOS
does with the Stormcast. It's like the Space
Marines are the selling point. I get it. That's
fair, but AOS, the Stormcast are the poster boy
faction, but they're allowed to lose and the
spotlight goes to other places for fair amounts
of time and then it comes back and then it goes
somewhere else and it comes back. I feel like
that would be much healthier overall for the
hobby. I'm not saying take... Space Marines are
clearly like, you know, they're they're the poster
boys. They and I that like I have no issue with
that. It's just the poster is there to sell everything,
you know, like a movie poster is not just there
to show you the people on the poster. Like if
I go see, I don't know, let's see. I go see the
Avengers movie and it's just nothing but Chris
Evans jerking off towards the camera for two
hours straight. You know, I'm going to feel a
little let down. It's Captain America and Johnny,
what's his name, the one who's on fire, and just
them. That's the whole film. It's like a buddy
cop. Yeah, Johnny Storm. Johnny Storm. I'd like
to see Civil War, not Wrist Saw. Here's a question
for you, though, right? So, obviously, to give
some momentum to these factions, we need to have
credible that will, like, push their narrative
forward. So, like, Cormorant, for example, is
on the precipice of the disjunctions. sending
them wholesale directly into like slanesh's gob
and the imperium it's like ah we have primarchs
that's your that's your yardstick to figure out
how how bad are things the more primarchs come
back the more it's like oh again the end times
and i say end time specifically does warhammer
40k need uh an encroaching end time and i know
they're like hey that's kind of the point of
like kdfl the end times are now the wolf time
is here blah blah blah but like the inari we're
gonna resurrect the god of the dead to kill our
arch nemesis lanesh but where is the line of
here's the threat that needs to be taken out
to oh no we've gone too far the setting's over
now we can't make any more minis like where is
that line where is that it's just i mean like
i will but the most thing that's something it's
like i guess you go come no you go on ahead i'm
gonna say like it just um is it twice dead king
the necron book the imperium of the enemy and
that and they're like an outside force like they
show up in their massive fleet and it's so you
still get a bit of imperium in some way it's
like just do the same thing where like the actual
antagonist is the imperium yeah like generally
and it'll be terrifying you know croft world
is like you know we're doing all right we actually
like made a big you know progress against like
sunesh oh Turns out this whole entire chapter
is now attacking our craft world. I think that
specific example we had, what's his name from
the Death Watch, and people are not very happy
with him. We can kill Slaanesh! No! That's cringe!
I do get what you're saying, though. It's great
40k, but it's so frustrating that these people
can't work. It kind of pops back into the first
point that was made, the very first one. It's
like, you know, everyone's the bad guy here.
We can have the Imperium be depicted in the villain
slot every now and again. And that would give
those other factions something to do. Fight the
big guy. Fight the main character. I will say
that we probably have to get a bit of a... We're
going through it slower than I thought. But we'll
get to the... With that comment, though, I think
the guy straight up facts, though. The next one,
though... Is it my turn? Yes, it is. From Quantum
of Cthulhu. Thank you. I wish Magnus didn't fight
like an absolute moron in every fight he's in.
Aramon turning into a murder of crows to destroy
a brother captain of the Grey Knights within
the space of his two hearts beating is cooler
and more creative than any Magnus battle I've
read about. Even just what Mephiston does would
be alright. Magnus is supposed to be more powerful
than him, yet he doesn't even try in fights.
In the Aramon books, Aramon insta -heals via
sorcery, and Astreos is able to phase through
bullet fire. Magnus also has access to future
sight, transmutation, and time stop. He could
just stop time, Dio Brando, turn the air in the
enemy's lungs to ceramite, or the necrodermis
on a necron's skin to bubbles. He doesn't have
to win every battle, but I think there'd have
to be a big enough gathering of blanks or high
-order necron -slash -blackstone shenanigans.
Just let Bro make his kingdom of psychers pulls.
He did kind of do that last one. He did Sartarius,
right? He dragged into real space. I've got nothing
for the entire... I've got nothing for the entire
preceding paragraph in front of that last point,
though. I do judge this one. I want to judge
this one so badly, because I can't support any
Magnus support out there. I really think if Magnus
got hit by a car, I wouldn't call the emergency
services. He needs to go. He's such a... douche
i think that's oh god i just didn't get upset
by magnus ironman books by the way i'm not gonna
lie sometimes they were a little bit like you
know and then i did that thing and that you know
it's a little bit like you know how in anime
you can hear them talking throughout the entire
fight and then in reality they're like you know
like i'm gonna charge up my blade and then i
push forward to make great strength and you're
like bro you know how long is this fight the
thing about The Ahriman books. It reminds me
of Grey's Anatomy. I'm like, this is still going
on? Five books? You've got five books and we're
still at the first? What is going on? Oh no,
it got better, Andy. Book four, he fought Necron
for this time machine thing. Book five, they
almost get drowned out and burned by something
they did in book three. Ahriman travels back
in time to the end of book three. So book four
and five never happened. Oh, great. Fantastic.
Yes. Magnus can absolutely get it. I find him
frustrating. But it's also a really good point,
though, in the fact that John French, who does
write a lot of the Iron Man books, that guy knows
how to write a psych fight scene. He's clearly
quite good at it. where other things of magnus
though he's like he was always doomed to be an
idiot so no matter who got in charge of writing
him it was like yes he's a you know he's got
one eye but he's truly blind you know i mean
the jokes though the thing about our amendments
like cinch himself as well itself is just like
hey i have him on the proverbial treadmill because
if he ever accomplishes what he wants i have
no use for him because he'll just not be my pawn
anymore and i'm the God of mischief and trickery
and messing around and trolling. Yeah, that's
Sinch. So Ahriman can never get what he wants
because that's antithetical to his character.
Remember, guys, remember, Ahriman never gave
up, so neither should you, okay? Keep grinding,
that's the thing. No matter how many people you
hurt along the way. Ahriman has never given up.
Dude is an inspiration, honestly. I wouldn't
say I wouldn't, you know. Again, a lot of these
guys are pretty spot on, but I do judge the fact
that this... No, sorry. It's no judgment zone.
Apology. No judgment zone. Oh, this is your whole
operation. This operation is your whole operation.
Thank you, Quantum Cathedral, for that one. Andy,
there's a bit of a... By the way, thank you everyone
for the... uh submissions but i really appreciate
it uh again join us discord if you want to uh
see all the amazing like cool stuff there and
there'll be more more of this stuff in the future
we it was really really helpful that everyone
um submitted their stuff some of them it did
devolve it by i if you want to check it out it
did devolve quickly into an argument the entire
the day i made that uh which is quite hilarious
um Yeah, so the next one, Andy, is anemic slug.
And if you do want to join our Discord, an easy
way to find it, just put discord .gg slash lawcrimes.
We have a custom URL, so you can just find it
with that. Anemic slug. Great name. I think Bretonnia
should be more technologically advanced. If you
need help LDRing this one, I did read through
it. Okay. Well, I think Britannia should be more
technologically advanced than the 12th century,
with the occasional bits and pieces of plate
armor, but just me, I guess. They don't need
to be Empire 2, but... Christ almighty. It physically
hurts to look at them besides soldiers of the
empire. Gunpowder, please. But the Britannia
never... Irrelevant. Hardly exists relativistic
to the supposed prowess and importance they have
in law. But the Exo... Not Britannia, by and
large. I think a good technological level for
them would be the 14th, earlier 15th century.
with some additional flarings from the 12th and
13th centuries for the aesthetic and whole knightly
charade. On top of this, I am disgusted by the
terrible representation of the Kurgan and the
Hung. Ooh, Hung. They're literally just Norskans
on horses, or Norskans but smelly mongoloids.
Oh, do you know about that? In, like, the four
depictions of them that exist, Tamarkin notwithstanding.
They should look less like the Chaos Roiders
than Norscans are, even if they insist it is
all natty. And more like extra evil Scythians,
Sarmatians, and Mongols slash Huns, and in my
opinion, should also be further fleshed out.
There's more. Some more developed Ontilia, Istalia,
and Araby. While we're at it, I would be... I
would be appreciated as well. I can't really
provide a how -to for it, but at least on Tilia's
instance, some more Al Antica -style armors and
arms would be appreciated for the Reman inspiration.
In this instance, I also mentioned the... meaning
Pisa Tower Castle shit bongs and dillions is
functionally stupid. It's the weak point of the
castle resting outside the walls that is knocking
over. We'll bring down the rest of the single
tower most castles have. Why? Stupid! Silly!
Come up with something else, GW. Please, for
the love of God, anything is better. Last line.
Ramble over in brackets for now. None of these
solutions are like that good anyways, but I have
to say it. Man wrote to the Tower of Pisa. We
listen and we don't judge, boys. Colin, would
you take this one, Colin, please? I think we
need some help. Of course, but fun fact about
the horrid person who made this comment, she
is the first person to drop my character pregnant.
Thank you for that. I like how you said the first,
because you know there will be more. There is
more. I've seen two more in the Discord. Shout
out to the pregnant Colin. We really appreciate
that. Shout out to my... Hashtag Colin. Do we
appreciate that? Motherfucker speaking French.
Just be pregnant, Colin. I'll go from the bottom
up. I mean, it would be nice with more, you know,
development for... Talia, Estalia, and Araby.
More so Araby, because that would be pretty cool
to see an Islamic -themed Warhammer army. That'd
be pretty fucking sick. That would be fun. Estalia
and Talia, that'd be neat, too. I think just
the problem is the Empire's kind of already got
the Renaissance thing going on, which isn't to
say they have to be the only ones, but it would
be a lot harder to visually distinguish. This
dude is Spanish Renaissance versus this guy is
German Renaissance. You're still going to have
a lot of the same themes going on as the issue
with like the models and the units and whatnot.
Certainly it would be nice to see them develop,
but there's a lot more people that need either
an appearance or anything like that in the old
world before we get to those guys. going up i
see you are like this one of five people who
care about the kurgan and hung i guess it's kind
of me there there are other like different variations
of chaos war bands which i kind of goes in like
the same thing for thailand and estalia you know
arabia it yeah it would be nice to see them uh
but i i think even for them more than those three
countries uh Two countries, Araby certainly could
be its own thing, but like even more than a Tylea
and a Stalia, it's like you can make them like,
you know, maybe a unit have a couple of different
model kits for the old world chaos warriors.
But I don't know about a whole, I don't know.
I don't think they need a faction. If I, if I'm
to be terribly frank, the Norskins aren't even
technically a faction in old world or Warhammer
fantasy there. That's only in total war where
their own independent entity. Otherwise they're
just. Chaos Warrior Army. And the first one.
No. No. They don't want to progress. I don't
like the shtick. I find it boring. But the answer
to fixing the shtick is not to give them guns.
Because then they would just be Empire 2. Yeah,
I mean, the fact that they have... Trebuchets.
Let them have their little trebuchets. Could
you give them some crazy little crossbows? It's
not a gun. It's not a bow. It's a cheeky crossbow.
Like the one from Van Helsing. Yeah, yeah. Like
the Inquisitor ones. Yeah. Like Slave Knight
Gale from Dark Souls 3. This is, you know, I'm
just going to address the person specifically
because they've gone on a tangent about the differing
types and depictions of armor and how they're
vastly different sets of armor. In real life,
fair enough. For a tabletop game, not a single
human being is going to appreciate the difference
in the medieval style helms this would require.
Like, if you bring them up from, like, 11th century
to 13th century, you know, knightly helmets.
you'll notice, a couple other people will notice,
the Warhammer fanbase at large is going to go,
oh hey, it's a different Bretonnia kit that's
still a guy on a horse. Bringing them up technologically
like that is just going to make them Empire too.
I don't think that's the answer. I don't want
Bretonnia Empire on a horse. I want... a bretonian
man who has a helmet which a horse sits on top
of i want ridiculous i don't i want it worse
you know i mean i want them almost more downgraded
uh but we do the next one i think we have a few
more uh donos very much appreciate it guys everything
we do very generous thank you guys so much First
one from Kabamba's Mighty Shlong for 10 buckaroos.
I hate how useless greater demons feel. They're
supposed to be the most powerful beings each
god has to offer, and they often get their shit
pushed in dueling with space marines or their
equivalents. Yeah. God, learn that. The trouble
with greater demons, though, is that because
they can never truly die, if they're too strong,
then they're just impossible to deal with. The
caveat of their power is that no matter how many
Space Marines we lose fighting this guy, if we
kick him in, he'll be gone for like 10 years,
and that's useful. And even then, it's super
weird. The amount of times Mortarion's been decked
by the Ultramarines and Grey Knights, and he's
like, I'm back again. It's like, we just got
rid of you. What was going on? So demons are
a peculiar case in that regard. Bean. Bean. Bean.
Two bucks. Yup. Another hashtag Artemis sweep.
we love to see it we love to see it and tom warren
always thank you how i think so tom warren for
two bucks so how i feel is that no judgment was
a lie i'm trying my best brother i'm trying my
best in fact tell me now you guys are all listening
you're not judging yeah i was just like how how
guys before we even started I was like, just
make sure you don't judge. And he was the first
to start judging me. How dare I say, if you guys
have any disagreements or thoughts on some of
the questions throughout, do a comment below
and we'll see if you guys disagree or agree or
which bit do you think maybe you could add to
the, you know, your heavily controversial law
piece you want to change or you think it just
sucks. Colin, do you want to take this one? He's
on me. I can't hear him. No. You're Jove the
Fiverr. Yeah, for the love of writing, can we
please get more Xenos -based books? I really
hope Space Marine 3 has a Drukhari villain. That'd
be neat. Probably not. Well, the thing is, I
don't think you can get them for an enemy type,
but I like the idea that a Drukhari is just behind
the scenes manipulating things. That would be
very in character. Because they don't have manpower
like the Tyranids do, for example. They can't
hurl a bajillion Drukhari at you. But you could
definitely have him as like, It was me all along,
stupid Monkai. Like, oh, that guy's a dick. They
could be a boss fight. That'd be fun. Yeah. limper
106 for five bucks too bad nobody likes niche
xenos stories i want a novel from old one eyes
perspective do something out of left i don't
know like i don't i'm surprised the amount of
people who says like they want a tyrannid perspective
story like from from all the things i've read
like from the perspective of a lictor, which
is even smarter than most other things. It's
just hungry. What's that server species that
look like crocodiles who serve the Tyranids?
Have it be that. Have it be that guy who's like...
Yeah, have a Zote as the main character. And
they can be like... Zoe the Zote. Yeah. And then
that's an easy way to be like, you can have some
character, but also it's like... You're trying
to glean the knowledge of the Tyranids from a
third party who's the most intimately involved,
but it's still got this mysterious, I don't kind
of know what I'm talking about. They're weird.
And I'm a crocodile. That's how you do it, in
my opinion. And last one here. Do you want this
one, Colin? Sure. Tiago Silva with the 10R. Thank
you. So amazing to watch your content because
it's great to see people who don't take Warhammer
lore too seriously and who don't get mad at my
ultramarine veterans have white Aquila instead
of gold. I feel the best rule for anything like
that is it's your model. Paint it how you wish.
Yeah. I mean, yeah. You know, it's really cool.
And not being funny, the Ultramines are a bit
lax with some, even the fourth company, they're
like, oh, Uriel Ventress was supposed to be Master
of the Fleet, and then he was like, I'm going
on holiday, I'm going on a sabbatical, you can
be the Master of the Fleet. And they've got like
an Admiral Space Marine. It's like, oh, Lord
Admiral, is he a captain? No. They're fast and
loose with the rules all the time, and they're
the ones who wrote the Codex. Well, the Codex
of Studies does not support this action. I forgot
what I was going to say. I said something else
a lot ruder than that. Pull myself out of there.
Pull myself out of the gutter. Is there any more?
Or should I go to the next one? I believe that
was it. That's all of them. Back into the fray.
Back into the fray. We listen and we don't judge.
By Tax Haven, which really putting a strain on
the no judgment part there. I think a dumb piece
of law was during the War of the Beast how a
group of seven harlequins stormed the Imperial
Palace. kills dozens of custodians only for the
message to be the beast is coming so my proposed
change would be a group of 10 harlequins slaughter
all but thousand of the custodians guarding the
palace and their goal wasn't to give a message
to the emperor but to take advantage of the pandemonium
that the war of the beast is causing to try and
assassinate biggie in order to destabilize the
imperium for the survival of the eldar's race
One last bit, Andy. He's almost done, Andy. Give
the Eldar the dub they need. Make the Eldar a
whole lot more hostile towards the Imperium,
in brackets, which I think has been missing as
of late. As well as justify the competitive racism
that the Death Watch has for old Xenos. Wow.
Alright. I need to clear something up here because
it's a bit of a meme. The Harlequins killing
of custodians. The writer has acknowledged it
was a mistake. He didn't mean custodians. He
meant the Lucifer Blacks who were the guardians
of the palace. So it's not canon. It's a mistranslation
sort of thing. It's like they were killing the
Lucifer Blacks who were pretty elite, but they
are soldiers. Although I did read about how Drazar,
who's a Drukhari, who might have been the first.
striking scorpions phoenix lord killed three
custodians on his own that's pretty legit but
like he's a super duper character the harlequins
did not kill a bunch of custodians all right
no i uh i believe my response to that is uh to
quote sam jackson in the avengers uh i recognize
the author you know he's made a decision but
given that i don't like the decision and it's
stupid i'm ignoring it I certainly won't judge
the they kill all but a thousand I'm really growing
as a human being but I'm not judging the fact
that you think seven harlequins could do that
but I will say Having recently played... Are
these Harlequins or Viltrumites? Yeah. Having
recently played a little bit against Harlequins
on the tabletop, and then one blitzed straight
into my World Eater Exalted 8 ban and killed
loads of them. They seem... They are pretty nuts.
I mean, it is a good point, though. I think...
You know what would be a really good thing? It
makes a great point in the... uh his comment
where he says the elder should be more like now
that gilliman's been revived there could be a
little bit of like imperium versus elder like
straight up i think there could be a little bit
of that like there could be a thing of like now
that there's a sense of like imperium stabilizing
and a bit of hope or whatever like maybe the
elder could help them with like the knack them
knackman gauntlet and then once that's finished
like elements of the imperium that are like so
zealous and horrible they betray the elder and
the elder are like okay now we need yeah like
because it makes the whole story grim dark again
and then it makes it so like the elder like you
know oh we helped you you were we brought back
gilliman and now they say you treat us we hate
you well there is like an interesting dichotomy
that i discovered again doing my little deep
dive into the elder like The reason Leleth Hesperax
is helping out Ibrahim is because he's like,
well, can't go back to Comorah. They're not going
to revive me if I die. I'm going to put my lot
in with the people who follow the literal god
of the dead. Because if I die, that's pretty
good company to keep. Like, ah, resurrect. Like,
revive. Respawn with Inyad. Awesome. And that's
basically the self -interested reason why the
Drukhari are helping the Inari. That's quite
a cool idea. But you have to have, like, a conflicting,
like, it's this or this. And if you lose one
route... the only other one on death ground is
to go with the alternative. And the Imperium
wouldn't know any better. They're like, oh, it's
just Eldar. Bang, bang. Misunderstandings. Misunderstandings
are the height of... Misunderstandings are great
for Warhammer. We listen and we do not judge
that comment. But the next one, though, Colin,
by one of our strongest supporters, by Mike,
the lady strongest knight. Would you please read
the group, Colin? Is it about Bretonnia? It is.
The elf goddess of Bretonnia being the elven
goddess Lilioth sucks. Not her being an elf,
but Lilioth being the lady in specific. I'm going
to do some simplification because I'm not kidding.
This in itself will be an hour and a half long
video. Fair enough. But basically, Lilioth was
supposed to be the virgin, the maiden, the young
goddess, the goddess of dreams, and such to use
the dreams to talk to elves without technically
breaking the law that Assyrian made. Yes. But
then some idiots over the course of a little
while changed and said Lilith is the goddess
of prophecy, which she isn't. That's supposed
to be more Iheg. And she's also Assyrian's wife,
which she isn't. That's Landry. I can never say
that name. Landrael, who is her mom. She's also
harvesting Bretonnian souls, manipulating them
to be immortal slaves. It's a lot of shit Lilith
is doing, including manipulating Teclis to help
end the world. She did, in fact, do that. She's
also secretly Landriel, but she knows that Serene
is married to her, but isn't actually Landriel,
which implies... Lilith is her own mom and daughter,
and Lilith likes talking to wood elves in dreams,
and has used the Bretonians for a meat shield
for the wood elves, despite defending the Bretonians
from the wood elves multiple times. Oh my god.
The loopback around to her being Assyrian's wife
is that Assyrian let Landriel stay in the mortal
plains because he loves her, and all Lilith really
has to do is pretend to be Landriel, who may
or may not actually be real, and trick him because
she's the worst, and no, she can talk to the
wood... I'm assuming you meant to write wood
elves. She loves so much, except when she doesn't,
but she just doesn't do that because, despite
her wanting to. She also, at one point, starts
a verbal fight with Isha, basically the goddess
of the wood elves, which she's trying to protect,
and Isha just doesn't know because. Wow. Then
does that word that rhymes with does bad things
that do not involve consent with a wood elf.
She does a lot of other dumb, horrible, evil
things, which I won't list because of time, but
now I'm with how much of a pure, innocent maiden
does Lilith see, and how much sense does it make?
My understanding of that is that GW is flubbing,
well, did flub Lilioth in fantasy, which, yeah.
I'm afraid I barely got half of that. It's more
complicated than Norse mythology and all the
interrelationships of the gods. Like, what's
going on with who now? Who's married who? Clearly,
the man's done his homework. Clearly. Yes, indeed.
Yeah. I mean, it sounds like a very valid point.
I don't know how to... I wouldn't judge anyone
for clearly being upset with, like, once again,
you know, side races and not humans clearly getting
the writing part done inaccurately or inconsistent.
You know, it just seems like a common problem.
Yeah, Mike is in the chat as well. He says, like,
literally, he hates that law. I'm having a stroke.
They revealed that she was an aspect of Lilith.
Ironically, I think one of the best cases this
was shown is the Percy Jackson series, of all
places, where in the sequel series, the Roman
gods and the Greek gods are the same, but they're
different aspects. Ares is in Mars mode. He's
not Ares. He's not a rampaging moron. He's Mars,
the Roman god of war, professional and to the
point and not a rampaging murder moron. When
he's Ares, he's Ares, the god that's such a dickhead
even the Spartans didn't like him much. He's
the villain from Justice League. Come on, guys.
CGI abomination. I mean, they could have done
it better. I don't necessarily have a problem
with her also being Ladriel, but, you know, it's
just... It is what it is, unfortunately, and
given that she is very dead in both settings,
either end -times or directly eaten by Slaanesh
in 40k, it can't hurt you anymore. Yeah, she
got it. She got what she deserved, like all elves
in Elder Scrolls. Not Warhammer. Is that a shit
sandwich? I'm already on the shit ragu. I don't
mind. Thank you very much, Mike. Appreciate that.
The next one, again, we listen and we don't judge,
Mr. Cardshock. Good to see you, Cardshock. Again,
shout out to Cardshock, thrashing me at our Poconite
on Discord. A very well chosen name. Absolutely
destroyed me. Hear me out. My least favorite
part of Warhammer lore is how the Emperor is
stuck to the Golden Throne. I hate the fact that
Grand Wizard of Humanity is now a battery in
a flashlight. I would solve this problem in a
very crazy way. The Dark Eldar managed to recreate
a flesh and bone puppet of the Emperor to sit
on their own Golden Throne in Kimora. However,
Jagatai Khan, who has been stuck in the gladiator
pits, Catches wind of this and steals it. Using
the webway gate into the Imperial Palace, the
Khan wrestles with custodians and argues with
Grey Knights. After much fights and angry words,
the Grey Knights and custodians replace the Emperor
with the Meat Puppet. Whatever happens afterwards
happens. Jagged Eye Khan mentioned 10 out of
10. It's really hard to not judge when someone
says replace the Emperor with the Meat Puppet.
The Meat Puppet. The Meat Puppet. It's certainly
a phrase. That is a tough pill to swallow, let
alone probably smell, because that rotting meat
puppet is literally cooked. He hates the fact
that the Grand Wizard of Humanity is the fact
that he called it the Grand Wizard, which I find
hilarious. If anyone knows, that's a reference
to a certain three -lettered group out there.
Which, hilariously, I've seen videos of. They've
been recruiting from other sects of society because
they haven't had enough members, which makes
me laugh every single time. I mean, that's certainly
an opinion. That's their take. You know, the
Khan coming back and wrestling to put the meat
puppet on the throne is... I don't think I've
ever heard someone say that. Like, ever. I just...
Yeah. There's much more to add to that one, unfortunately.
It's just the meat puppet. I don't know. I feel
like taking the Emperor off the Golden Throne
is... I don't like that. Who's going to be the
lighthouse? That's the only trouble. I mean,
there was a whole, like, in Shroud of Night,
there's a whole story about there's a civilian
who sees the Emperor and is blinded, and then
he acts as, like, he's called the Beacon. And
you go through the book, it's an Alpha Legion
book, and it's all like, oh, this Beacon must
be impressive. And it's like, it's just some
guy called, like, Gary. And now the Unsung have
the Beacon, who's like a contingent lighthouse.
That's pretty cool. He's like a backup Astronomicon.
That's kind of cool. What are you going to do
with him? I don't know. He's mine now. Gary,
the backup Astronomicon from accounting. Yeah,
and it's really interesting that in that, and
there's a complete aside, Khan rips off Celestine's
wings in a fight in that book, and she's like,
oh, well, I'll be back again. But the only thing
is, with Jagatai, my little what I'd like to
see, because I've been reading Eldar stuff, I
think it'd be cool. If Jagatai came back and
he was busying himself in Komara, and then he
was like, hey, look, I don't like the Drukhari
as much as anyone, but if they fall to Chaos,
if Chaos consumes Komara, that's a big problem
for the Imperium. So I'm going to do my best
to make sure it doesn't fall to Chaos, because
that's just a headache. Can we just do that?
And then he's not going to be involved too much
with the whole Primarch completely capsizing
the setting, and then that could be fun. I don't
know. I just want him back. I want my dad. Where's
my dad? I want him back. Please. Seeing that,
though, I think we've got a few more, but again,
unfortunately, I don't think I'm going to fit
all of them in, though, because they're quite
long. We do appreciate... We'll do one last one,
though, just for the, you know, push -its and
gigs, stuff like that. Before we get to that,
though, there's a few more, I think, donos before
we get to the... Yeah, we've got a couple of
donos. Shark, borrow me a... Colin. This one's
for you, I think. Thank you for the five, CA.
Fulgrim's has fantastic cheeks. Also, happy birthday,
Colin. Which cheeks, brother? Which cheeks? Don't
leave us hanging. It is, in fact, Colin's birthday
next year. Bean, five bucks. Curse made an emperor
meat puppet and everyone called him crazy and
deranged. I guess he was too smart for those
plebeians. They all laughed at me. They all laughed
at me. Look at me now. Maximus Deus Manus, five
bucks. Good name. I love Betrayer, my favorite
Horus Heresy book yet, but Argotau trusting Erebus
resurrecting Cyrene is so dumb, considering how
much he hates him. Yeah. Not exactly the font
of trust and wisdom and milk and honey. It's
the fact that his demon literally says, don't
trust Erebus. Turn around. He's going to attack
you. And he's like, what do you know? Even I
know that. He's like, bruh. No, he's my friend.
No. No. Yeah, appreciate that, Rose. And then...
Again, we listen and we don't judge. I think
this was going to be a bit divisive here. Okay.
Which is, I'm choosing for the last one of the
episode, which is by Hellbrett's Strongest Sword
Polisher. The names you guys are coming up with,
we have Shelaksky's Wettest Gripper, Cabanda's
Mighty Shlong of Cygnus, and Hellbrett's Strongest
Sword Polisher. Honestly, we're making a ban.
He says, why do people hate Matt Ward? I can
understand the dislike of the volume, in brackets,
amount of his books. But to me, the entire power
fantasy of Space Marines is fulfilled by the
way he writes his characters. Aren't Space Marines
supposed to be overpowered and goofy? Ah, motherfuckers.
The Grey Knights' omnibus is the best example
of this to me. Termi's running in a straight
line through the city infrastructure to save
the Inquisitor. What more could you want? Can
I share a funny story I heard this week? Sure.
So on Jug's podcast, Peachy was talking about
he went to the doctor and he was at the doctor
just for a checkup thing. And he's like talking
about, oh, what do you do? I do YouTube. I used
to work at Games Workshop. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
My son used to do some writing for Games Workshop
a few years ago. Oh, yeah. What was his name?
Thomas Ward. Dr. Ward. Oh, yeah. My son, the
Tom Ward. It really is a small world. I would
say. I'm trying... I try not... I don't... Now,
Matt, for the uninitiated, Colin, could you explain
why perhaps Matt Ward has a reputation? Matt
Ward was a writer for Games Workshop who... A
lot of people just... The least controversial
thing is a lot of people just weren't a fan of
his writing. They say he didn't write the best.
the the more glaring issue is that you could
say he perhaps had some favorites uh he was real
big fans of you know the grey knights and the
ultramarines and uh you would know it when an
ultramarine would uh tap dance into the warp
punch corn in the face and then for the epilogue
to defeat an entire tyrant and hive fleet just
you know as a as a nice little side thing to
cap off the book how many how many avatar of
canes have been taken down by you know just one
dude's just one bloke like we gotta it's it must
be at least like it's not double digits but it's
an uncomfortable number That's a great question.
So... Something... How about... Oh, boy. We're
trying really hard not to be judgmental on this
one. I'm going to say... In defense of Matt Ward,
he writes pretty good dialogue. He wrote a lot.
He wrote most of the Vermintide 2. interactions,
I believe, as well as helping write the Battlefleet
Gothic 2's plot, which people overall, I mean,
it's not, you know, it's a strategy game plot.
It's not the most, you know, groundbreaking thing.
People seem to like it. It was neat. Also, he
did make Trazen. That was Matt Ward. Yeah. So
he does have the occasional flash of brilliance.
As for... The first thing, consider that if you
don't like the Ultramarines, or rather, even
if you don't care either way, and then you find
out Matt Ward is writing the enemy of the book
of the Ultramarines, and it's your favorite faction,
it has gone from, it's, oh, wow, my favorite
faction's appearing in this book. I wonder what
it's going to be about. Why are they all dead?
What happened? Where did they go? This was supposed
to be a fun book. Why is it just teabagging my
army? That's kind of the problem with Matt Ward.
It's like, yeah, well, believe it or not, there
are people who like the not space marine armies
in 40K. Or even beyond that, the not ultramarine
armies in 40K. And Matt Ward declaring that everyone
wishes they could be ultramarines probably sits
poorly with a couple people. Did he also create
Caldor Drago? Yes. That one is... 10 out of 10.
Matt Ward, best writer. Done. We listen and we
don't judge certain parts. I just think that
just to get onto Helbrecht's strongest sword
polisher's exact point, which is he doesn't understand
why. And he says he'd understand obviously the
issue, clearly, Colin, is not like he wrote...
you know your pro if you're in it if you're an
antagonist it's jover it's clearly the the volume
of books he's written is might be might he was
saying like he understands people disliking the
volume because he was a pretty prolific writer
but i think he is more referring to like the
content of the books people don't like and and
to to be to give tom ward a bit of a break though
he's he's handed the keys to the most popular
faction Is that his dad? What am I saying? I
keep saying Tom Ward. Matt Ward. Sorry, Matt
Ward. I'm getting very confused. I'm old and
I have dementia. Matt Ward. He's given the keys
to the most profitable faction of a burgeoning
setting of sci -fi. And you're told, go nuts.
aim them to be like, oh, the Ultramarines are
the best thing ever. They are the poster boys
of the setting. Surely you have to make them
massively OTT by virtue of that. I think some
of the issue comes, it's like you get a story
with no stakes. Because you know they're going
to win. Look, it's like I can draw on a piece
of paper and go, hey guys, here's my character,
here's my... warhammer 40k original character
he's stronger than the emperor and the chaos
guy it's combined and he's the biggest guy ever
and he's the best and he's the coolest and he
beats everyone up it's like okay and then yeah
and also in this scenario i'm an official games
workshop writer so you can't ignore it because
i am writing the canon and in the canon this
guy is canonically the bestest ever and better
than the ultramarines and cooler and amazing
and and the bestest and you you can't stop me
i'm writing for gw but that's kind of like the
attitude a lot of people see but we but we here
are not judging that and i'll say i'll i'll finish
it with by saying um he's done some pretty good
stuff. As much as way better than any of us here
have contributed to Warhammer in terms of the
actual... He gave us Pokemon Master of Warhammer
40k. What more do you want? I will... My ending
line is that I firmly believe if every faction
had a Matt Ward in their corner, I think we'd
be better off. Matt Ward kind of batched by Eldari.
Crazy, right? He did. He wrote the Iandian supplement.
That's why I can never hate them. He wrote the
only Eldar out -of -code supplement. What you're
saying is we need to ask Matt Ward. Matt Ward,
pretty please, could you write us a new book
on the Leagues of Votan? Please, yes. Yes. Everyone
needs him in their corner. Everyone needs one
Matt Ward book. With that being said, though,
thank you guys for everyone who did their contributions.
And just to kind of finish off very briefly here,
this is a safe space. So if we can, I'm going
to ask the boys if they have a hot take about
Warhammer lore that they would delete or improve
upon. I will start with... I think I kind of
briefly mentioned it earlier. I would... I don't
know why I give up. I would maybe give up a good
opportunity for a good holiday. If Corvus Corax
and Alpharius and Omegon were just like, like
killed off, like the legions, like put them in
the sun, Corvus Corax and the Raven guard died
at Istvan. You know, it was like a, you know,
Oh, one time they had like stealthy, you know,
stealthy space Marines. Um, the alpha Legion,
like, an Omegon Alpharius. They had a civil war
and they basically ended up killing each other.
I would give, I would say a left nut. No, we're
not. I would give something just to have those
two factions, like those two legions and Primarchs.
Like, I don't think Space Marines should do espionage
as stealth in some way. Like, I don't, like,
I never thought, you know, I really thought about
like my big tank. What if no one could see it?
until it was like five meters in front of you
like oh but like as a narrative you've seen the
abrams 10 that's scary the abrams 10 that crystal
dynamics made was like hey you can't hear this
thing approaching it it's a massive tank and
it has like panels on it so you can't see it
in thermal like that's terrifying it already
exists sorry shout out to medical insulin he
says uh hal brings up a good point which nut
is more important appreciate that brother uh
colin is there anything in Controversially, you
know no one's going to agree, maybe, but you
would delete it. Don't say Space Marines, because
that's nuts. There was a right smile there. You
were like, how much damage can I do in one sentence?
You know me too well. Oh, how annoying do I want
to be? We listen and we don't judge. It's fine.
No judgment here. You can go. I think it'd be
funny to delete Horus, but don't change the Horus
heresy at all, and just have him be this collective
delusion of everyone involved. No, that's...
Sorry, no judgment. Not sure how that would work.
I don't either, but it'd be funny. It's the Emperor
on the Bridge of the Vengeful Spirit yelling
at nothing and swinging his sword at nothing
before he just falls over dead. Turns out Horus
actually died. He gets to the throne bit and
Horus is dead. Because the Chaos Powers killed
him. He died in the Great Crusade. The orcs didn't
work on him. And he's like a myth. Because for
the Emperor, just wrecking and going crazy. I
think the actual serious thing probably... Get
rid of... Someone said Space Wolves. Yeah, I'd
be pretty content with that, honestly. Colin
would kill the Space Wolves. Damn. Delete the
end times. I don't know if that's controversial.
They kind of did, almost, in some way. They're
bringing back a new time period for Old World.
Andy? Controversially, what would you kill? What's
a piece of war on the law you're like, that sucks,
man? Hmm. Does it have to be something I outright
remove? Can I just put a wrench in the gears?
Do what you want. I would like... This is going
to be a bit controversial. I want more Primox
now than later. Reason being, we need to get
on with the end times. You could have the Emperor
go in a coma. You could have him almost die and
cut off his Astronomicon by... let's get these
Primocs out of here before I become 70 so that
I can enjoy them before I die. And then maybe
bring on the end times so we can like step it
up a notch rather than a lot. Like since, since
plague wars, it's been a bit of like, Oh, it's
always a bit grim. I'm Imperium Nihilism. It's
a bit, Oh, it's scary. I don't give a shit. Where's
Jagatai? Where's Wolf King? Where's Vulcan? Bring
them back. Is Dawn dead or not? Make up your
mind. Come on. Does he still like the whole fermented?
poop toilet thing that was in the original imperial
fist law grim but either way it's like let's
let's get on with these primates let's go let's
bring them back now you know what i think that's
the most no we've got enough yeah i say that'd
be the most controversial like out of anything
bringing more primates back i don't think and
as the first one i've actually heard someone
say that because again the idea is cut off the
astronomicon or severely limit it galaxy's cutting
two have the stakes raised, have a counter be
more Primarchs, and then balance out, okay, now
we're going to maybe have some chapter masters
die, replace with Primarchs, step it up a notch.
Alliances with weird bedfellows, like maybe the
Drukhari and the Tau. I don't know. Make something
interesting happen. Come on. I'm getting old.
I want to see this get to wrap up before I die.
I could also kill the Tau. I could kill the Tau.
I just came to a realization, which, fuck you,
by the way. But it is related. Get rid of the
Damocles Crusade. I'm sick of hearing about it.
Every time it's brought up, everyone involved
is the most annoying human being you'll ever
talk to. It's annoying Tau fans who seem to think,
like, the entire Imperium lost. it's like they
blew up every imperial guard regiment at the
time it's like they all blew up it's like that
did not happen and then you go to the imperium
fans and it's like the imperium actually won
it's like well there's still a tao empire no
they didn't they also didn't win it's like everyone
involved any discussion of the damocles crusade
it's it's like it's just they become the most
annoying person on the internet for that brief
moment in time. I'm sick of hearing about it.
You're all dumb. I hate you. Thank you for watching.
Although I will say the White Scars were in that
campaign. They're pretty cool. They're pretty
cool. They let them off. They were like, yeah,
you can go. If I had legit control, though, like
if it was Horus, Heresy stuff, I'd kill off so
many people, man. It would be nuts. There's already
a lot of people that die now. I'd kill off entire
legions and people. I don't think Lorgoth should
be alive. Korrax, Alpharius, Omnigon should be
like, funny enough, I think Conrad Kurtz should
be alive as like a mad raving, like the human
version of Skaven, just like lunatic and raving
man. Have the Drukhari find the crown and bring
him back with the homunculi. Use the spirit stone
in the crown, combine it with homunculi magic.
Now he's a champion, not of his own legion, which
causes strife between the Night Lords and the
Drukhari, and then he can have a war with Vect.
That would be cool. Rogald Dorn should be dead.
Perturabo should be dead. Vulcan should be dead.
You know who? What about the Great Treasure Hunt
that's going on? The Great Treasure Hunt is awesome.
Bro, has anyone in your life ever said, you know,
another controversial one here, has anyone ever
said, God, I'm so desperate for another Vulcan
novel? No. No. The trouble is right now, Nick,
I was going to say Nick, Nick Kime is the editor
of black library. We don't want to tempt him.
Not right now. Wait till he's not the editor
anymore. And then we can get someone else to
write a salamanders book right now. It's dangerous.
Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Well,
we, we tried not, we tried not judging boys,
but at the end, thank you guys for listening.
This is the first episode of we listen and we
don't judge. I think we might do some more improvements
on it just cause it's, I think it's an all right.
concept. Tell us what you think. I like that
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a chat about stuff. There'll be more prompts
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good stuff. Other than that, I hope you guys
all enjoyed this one. If you like it, we'll do
some more cursed questions even. Are there a
last few donos we should run through? Oh, yeah,
yeah. Sorry, I might have some donos to tap off
as well. Like I say, arty23 for £5. What do you
guys think about the cabal being wiped out? Because
Lamal, we don't care. You're actively going against
chaos, and how would you fix it? Cabal was an
interesting time. It's a fart in the wind, mate.
The cabal is nothing burger of a storyline, dude.
Remember they teased... There was an old one
in the Cabal, and then Eldrad killed him offscreen.
You don't think that's worth developing on? Related
to that with Eldrad, what about Barfuza Narek,
the renegade wordbearer that wants to assassinate
Lorgard, his own Primarch? Where did that go?
He's in one line. Ending the death, he's just
there like, I'm just sniping. He's the sniper
from TF2. He's like, I think his mate saw me.
Yes, yes he did, and that's all he has. in the
end of the death. And it's like, why was this
here? Anyway, would you guys want to read? Optimus
Jedi for two bucks. Perpetuals equals the worst
concept in 30k, excepting Erda. The dialogue
is good with some of the perpetual characters.
I will say that. But the whole plotline, they
could have done something else, but there's a
lot of mortal human plotlines that could have
been more interesting. It's like that meme, though,
of just like, we're going to put Erda in for
more female representation. And it's like, what's
she do? Ah, fuck it. I'm going to ruin the prime.
I was like, oh, that was an own goal, mate. What
was that about? Dies in two books. Poor Erda.
Interesting character. Dies in two books. Yeah.
Own goal. Hello, light. I don't know if you guys
talked about it, but I... I don't like Forticate
introducing this new galaxy ending weapon and
having it do fucking nothing. I hope whatever
Vastro is searching is actually used or useful.
Vastro is a weird one because I like that we
have new characters, but it's also like he hasn't
had time to grow. Takes 10 years to get a second
book. He's a very cool character concept. I like
the shtick he's got. Maybe do something with
him. Maybe use him to bring back Dark Mechanicus.
Do something with him. But again, this is also
why I might bring back the Primarchs quicker,
because we've got to get them out of the way
too. We've got a lot to do. And then kills them
off. Execute them in the streets. Donkey Man
USA for five bucks. I was running a D &D session
with homebrew Skaven and a big bad Gracia villain.
And the big bad Gracia villain of the session
rolled poorly and blew himself up immediately.
That is... I look bad. There's nothing more Skaven.
than what just happened that's that's incredible
colin wow medicare insulin again thank you for
the five i think colin with with a j at the end
of my name that's that's a new one the name's
getting worse uh is is the strongest host he
shared his debility and disease while the others
won't let us know their plagues we should infect
them what what is bro on about I've got asthma.
There you go. I've got asthma. I can't share
my disease. This one doesn't spread. I don't
feel shame. That's a disease. Sharkborn Meyer
with the 5CA. Hey, Colin, is this Space Wolf's
biggest fan? What are your thoughts on the new
release? Look, I will accept when a model looks
good, and those new Space Wolf models, they do
look pretty sick. Nice. Can I be honest and you
don't judge me? Of course. We listen and we don't.
Fire away. I first saw the new Logan Mini on
Instagram when I woke up and scrolled through.
At first, I thought it was a 3D print by a third
party. That's not that I thought it was bad.
I just didn't realize. I didn't realize that
Games Workshop would make a Logan Mini without
him on his chariot. And it made me go, huh? Oh,
it's real. It's a real one. The chariot is crazy.
Iconic. Lean into it, though. Don't be afraid
of it. I'm also pretty happy that the Wolf Land
boat is gone, though. I'm not going to shed tears
over that one going to hell. I'm going to be
honest with you. Tom Warren for two bucks. He
made a meme about Gary in the Discord. If you
want to go see that, check that out. Check out
the Discord. Louise. Lewis, sorry. Lewis, 1945
for two bucks. Where Gilliman and Lyon reunion?
Now kiss. True. I think it's a lost bond by...
Lyon? That's nothing to me. Bean! Wow, that's
a horrible thing to say. Do you want to take
that on, Colin, then? Sure. Bean with the five.
one of you looks like a stunted scamp from oblivion
but i won't say who jesus christ well to be fair
i also saw a comment i think it was from light
earlier going like andy looking like a gta4 npc
that gives you a like a mission but yeah what
of it i look like homeless mr beast i've been
told um Do what you will. I still think neither
of those are as bad as a stunted scamp from Oblivion,
bro. As long as you make the sound effects, it's
fine. Thank you guys for turning up for the first...
We listen and we don't judge. Appreciate you
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And we'll catch you guys on the next one for
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