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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

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It's Law Crimes. Hello, you. Evening, brothers

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and sisters. New series, new series, new series.

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New series, yes, indeed. I was like, once again,

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Eli may pop in, to be fair, tonight. Eli's been

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a busy boy this week, though, but rest assured,

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the Short King will be back. We're going to kill

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him for it. Yeah, we're getting him a, you know,

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like a baby booster seat. You know, one that's

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been lost. Today though, this is a bit of a my

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brain child, my fault. Today is we listen and

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we don't judge. This is a new Warhammer podcast

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style episode where we asked you, the beautiful

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people who are in our Discord, again if you wish

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to join the Discord, there are links below. We

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asked you beautiful Warhammer fans about your

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opinions and we wanted you to help us. you know

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get get the bile out get the hate out um today's

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topic of we listen and we don't judge uh we asked

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you uh which part of the law just sucks straight

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up it's like you would delete it you would you

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know it's uh was it you get lenny'd uh from mice

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and men you know you take it out back and you

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let it stroke the mice and then it's gone uh

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or and then we did ask for the mice we asked

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red caviar if you did want to if you had a way

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of fixing it you know let us know as well uh

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today though we are gonna hear your thoughts

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your feelings and we're not gonna judge them

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uh i did ask the boys we do have to say it as

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a group though uh for the first one though i

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will be uh taking helmspot though but if you

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guys are with me uh i'll say it right now we

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listen and we don't judge repeat after me colin

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and andy we listen all right and we don't judge

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with one exception this is how's gameplay footage

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so if he does badly we definitely judge this

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but that's the exception that's the only one

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okay okay we listen and we don't judge judge

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thank you boys thank you okay we had our first

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submission here uh for the live stream people

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you may not be as is but for the video people

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you will be seeing the actual text on screen

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but we were reading it out for you people who

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did lovely submissions the first one was from

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Bloody Shirt Music who's a regular in the channel

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we love you brother he says my number one issue

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with the law is that the John Blanche style of

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art and grim dark feelings it invokes has gone

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by the wayside Too much hope in the current law.

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Humanity has a leg up on everyone due to writer

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bias, and the fact that the Imperium faction

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models drive sales. 40k is not nearly as grimdark

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as it could be, or used to be. Look at the short

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story Raid on Castrol Novem. It's a perfect 40k,

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and they don't write stuff of this quality anymore.

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I mean, is he wrong, though? I must admit, bear

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in mind, and I mentioned this briefly before

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to Hal and Colin before we started, I've been

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doing a lot of Drukari content because I've just

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started my Eldar month of content. And so I listened

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to the new Lelith Hesperax book by Mike Brooks,

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and I was kind of set back by just how undrukari

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it was. There wasn't any like... particularly

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evil character and like i'm also simultaneously

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reading the andy chambers trilogy the path of

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the archon slash incubus and that book you really

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are steeped in all these people are terrible

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and i kind of don't like any of them but this

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is a fun story i didn't have that with the lelith

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book because it was like a love story and there

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wasn't like enough people being turned into lamps

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it was a bit weird uh and there is like a kind

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of um a gloss on even like the space marines

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nowadays they're very clean and they're very

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you know neat and tidy whereas you look at the

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old art and it's like lots of grubbules all over

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their armor and like tattered banners and looking

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a bit menacing and scarred up lots of ruined

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faces not enough people furniture you would you

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say i mean yeah yeah i tend to i wouldn't even

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I mean, I can't judge this one at all because

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I think it's kind of spot on. I think GW do realize

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like there was like phases when Warhammer was,

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I mean, I don't know what I would describe it

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as like pop art or like, you know, I'm talking

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green goblin bases and it looks like, you know,

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it's like it's not taking itself too seriously.

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And then Grimdark was almost. We hit Demonculaba

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levels, and I don't know if I want to explain

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that for the non -initiated Demonculaba people.

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Essentially, people skin baby sacks things. I

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don't think it gets any more grimdark than that.

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At least, I don't know if you guys know anything

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particularly worse than Demonculaba. But I think...

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I think Grimdark is definitely, it's fallen by

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the wayside and it's, I think it's almost like

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it's reserved for certain factions. I mean, if

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you look for the visual people who can't see

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it, I have certain like, you know, display, not

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sponsored by the way, hope you one day, display

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posters. And I've got like Frag behind me. And

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I also have the ninth edition, like Chaos Codex

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cover art, which I would describe as Grimdark.

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And that one is, you know, Battle of Macragge

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is quite. a bit older now and then the ninth

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edition codex is only a few years old so it's

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still kind of there but i know what you mean

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andy where like there's a lot of mid yeah what

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about you colin any thoughts on the the grimless

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dark future i i'm not i don't want to call it

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outright like a drop in quality necessarily um

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I'm trying to think how to word it. Like, all

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right, for example, Infinite and the Divine,

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you know, it's not, certainly not a very grim,

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dark book. It's a good book. It's a very fun

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read. It's not, and I would still say it's, you

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know, it's very much a Warhammer book, but it's

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certainly not, you know, grim and dark. And there's

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a couple other books that aren't. uh, off the

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top of my head, you know, aren't super archivist

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cane is obviously the biggest one, but there's

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a rogue trader book I read a little while ago.

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And that wasn't, you know, super grim or dark.

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And they still, you know, feel kind of like Warhammer

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books, but I probably would agree that like overall,

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it's like, there's not enough misery anymore.

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There are too many people that seem you're kind

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of going a little bit outright heroic with some

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of these fellas. And I don't know how to feel

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about that. although i do think it's worth pointing

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out there is one bastion of grimdark and weirdly

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enough it's the animations like all the animations

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it's like the tithes one two main characters

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like it's pretty grim it's like oh my brothers

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are being harvested to death tithes episode oh

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we're like there's a bit where like one of the

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psychos runs away and then the lady in charge

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is like No, Arbiter, if you shoot one of those

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psychers, they'll kill us all because they're

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worth more than all of us combined. And then,

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like, they're being shipped off to be fed to

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the Golden Throne. Then there's the other Tyrus

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episode. Oh, we've just done this. Procure the

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ammunition from this battle zone and deprive

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the soldiers of bullets to fight the enemies,

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the orcs that are trying to kill them, only to

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be stacked onto a bunch of shipping containers

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on a planet with abundant ammunition just because

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some bureaucrat said, no, they can't have ammo.

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We need it somewhere else. And it's going to

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waste. And it's like... hammer and bolter episodes

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where it's the you know what's more grim than

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the the floating down ultramarine gravis armors

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fighting the elder that's pretty grim but in

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all seriousness like even the um the gene stealer

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episode where it's like oh these civilians are

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trying to escape the tyrannical imperium and

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why are they being so cruel and then there's

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the reveal where they have the ridged foreheads

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you go oh no that's why they were being so cruel

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and like the animations are really grimdark and

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i like that um do you almost feel like they like

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they feel like they've almost like covered it

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do you know what i mean like there's almost like

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a sense of we don't need to rehash it we already

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know it's grim and dark so i think but you know

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what it is it's probably it's grim and dark it's

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not necessarily grim dark anymore if you know

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what i mean there's a certain dark you don't

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want to keep repeating yourself but at the same

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time it's it is also you know in the grim darkness

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of the 41st millennia if you get away from that

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too much it kind of it does kind of start losing

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some of the charm and and i think there's also

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an element of like when you have chaos and the

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drukhari and the tyranids like you need to keep

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a con like you don't have to keep a contrast

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between like the the better factions but it's

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kind of hard to press to be like okay they got

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the guys that eat everyone the guys that skin

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everyone and the guys that laugh while skinning

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people to sacrifice their souls to eternal torment

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and it's like what have you got imperium we don't

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have unions like oh okay i don't know that's

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like that's like a not not quite true but like

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they're pretty tyrannical but it's like the alternative

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is so grim yeah i would say i would say like

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I think it's a nice softball start. I think a

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lot of people who are older Warhammer fans will

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probably feel that, but maybe people who are

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newer into the setting are probably also thinking,

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I don't know what you're on about, bro. Certainly

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not one I would hold any judgment if you felt

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like, yeah, it's kind of gone too far away from

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what I like. Not a bad start, I'd say, but I

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think it's progressively going to get worse.

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As I asked Colin, if you would please choose

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the next one. Sure thing. Thank you very much.

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That was, uh, is that blow shirt music? Yeah.

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Blow shirt music. Thank you for that one, brother.

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Appreciate it. Uh, the next one is Vokey. Oh

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boy. If only if, if Eli were still here, he'd

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be all over this one. Uh, Malekith, not being

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Phoenix King after all being retconned in AOS,

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the original end times twist was bad, but going

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forth and retconning something just makes readers

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lose interest in the setting. If things keep

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changing without reason. make up your mind james

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workshop this is now how do you how do you feel

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about it this is interesting so taking a lot

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of what he said isn't inherently even something

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i disagree with like especially the going back

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and forth and retconning something like just

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because it got a negative reaction is uh is the

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grave that Star Wars Episode IX and Halo Infinite

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are lying in. Yeah. Where the last thing that

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was released was Abominable, so they tried to

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move on from it, but now you have a movie and

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a game that are just kind of incoherent and feel

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like there was an in -between movie slash game

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that really should have happened. Do you think

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he should be the Phoenix King then? Is that what

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you're... I can't believe Colin would imply like

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Malekith should be the Phoenix King. No, I'm

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going to say, I think honestly the, the biggest

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reason that I think to disagree with this, I

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mean, when I, again, he, the, the, the comment

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that did acknowledge it was, it was dog shit

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to begin with. So, you know, he did it. And that

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was at least thrown in. I don't mind that it's

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retconned. And in a way they didn't retcon him

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being, you know, the phoenix king he was like

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he was the phoenix king in the end times they

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didn't get rid of that they retconned all the

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other phoenix kings didn't they as well as part

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of it in some way they retconned them all secretly

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being fakes that's so dumb though like can that

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can we acknowledge like how many phoenix kings

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have there probably been like at least over 10

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right and tell me they all faked it Yeah, that's

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essentially what they retconned. The end time

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set up was always supposed to be Malekith and

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then AOS was like, yeah, they've all got a little

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bit of Assyrian's power. They retconned it. I

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think something why I'm going to disagree with

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that is that it's also a matter of scale. Because

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at the end of the day, it's not a retcon that

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changes what happened. It kind of does change

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the motivations a bit and the like the Like the

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specifics? It's like the Horus heresy. Like the

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specifics of the Emperor's duel with Horus have

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certainly been... I mean, that's like... The

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Siege of Terra has retconned original lore, right?

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Yeah, they actually play a card game in the middle

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of their duel. They literally Yu -Gi -Oh card

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in the middle of Horus versus the Emperor. Yeah,

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which as an aside... and everyone's hopes were

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dashed that actually sanguis went mental and

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he killed horus and then the emperor had to put

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him down it's like nah fun fan fiction but no

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no that's good fun theory but no that would be

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nice anguis was used to mop the floor 100 like

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he got it he got it he became a wall ornament

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but still it's like i viewed that that particular

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aos retcon in that vein where it's like yeah

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the story of the emperor and horus i mean it's

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been through like fucking 10 retcons at this

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point, probably, if you went through every single

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iteration of it. But, you know, Horace and Big

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E still threw down. Horace super died. Big E

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only kind of died. And, you know, that hasn't

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changed. So it's kind of how I view that one.

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The principle I do like that, you know, don't

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just retcon something because it's bad, but it's

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like a soft retcon. I think there's a scale to

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it. If that makes sense where it's like also

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probably like lessening the blow a little bit

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is even if they completely changed it and was

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like, yeah, no, he was never the Phoenix King

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and it was all a dream right before the world

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blew up. It'd be like, well, the world still

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blew up. There's no future plot points. Malekith

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being the Phoenix King, like no plot points are

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being hurt by that one being changed because

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the plot is over. thank you for coming everyone

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there is no more phoenix king i'm not gonna lie

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though i will judge uh our contributor though

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for saying that malekith you know just stick

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with it and just be the phoenix king because

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i honestly don't think it was like there was

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no point in him like he's evil like let him be

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evil bro he doesn't need a redemption arc you

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can't be evil for like how many thousands of

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years and be like you know what turns out i was

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you know like it's like bruh i well i know this

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is we are now in a oblivion remaster world but

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you know path max kind of did that didn't he

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he's like i i used to be i used to be bad but

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now i'm good i they could have they could have

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done a they could have done an infinitely better

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job which you know sure enough vocale said as

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much the original in times twist was bad uh but

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i this one again like for all the reasons i like

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again the setting is The plot lines ended and

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they didn't retcon the event. They retconned

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some of the specifics. So I don't think that

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one in particular is bad. But yeah, there's certainly

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a lot of other things. I was going to say also,

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hello, a border prince in the chat. Hello. Oh,

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hello, brother. Good to see you. So that's kind

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of where I lie. How about you? How about you,

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gentlemen? I just don't think he should have

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been Phoenix King. I mean, I think the comments

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spot on in terms of the feeling of sometimes

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you don't have to always keep retconning stuff

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to stick with your guns, even if not everyone

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liked it. At least we appreciate that. But also

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I disagree with the guy saying, I do judge him

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for, no, sorry, it's a no judgment zone. Apologies.

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We listen and we don't judge. I do not judge

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him for thinking Malekith should have been a

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Phoenix King. Because, you know, he deserves

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worse. Andy, though, we do have another one as

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well. Would you like to take this one before?

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I'll say again, reminding everyone, we do listen

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and we don't judge. We're here, safe space. We've

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got another law crimes veteran giving a contribution.

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We've got Main Event Virgil. And the prompt is,

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the fact that there are two missing Primarchs

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is dumb as hell. Think of all the interesting

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things you could have done with two more legions

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and all the themes left unexplored. You could

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have had samurai space Marines in brackets. Don't

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say mantis warriors like six people know about

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them. And at least one of them is on the podcast.

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Yeah. Or they could have done literally anything

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with hundreds of cultures. History has to offer.

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Instead, we're left with a giant gaping black

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hole in the middle of the law, which. let's be

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honest, revolves around the Primarchs. There's

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not a lot we can do about it now. The best I

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can offer is that Gilman or the Lion find out

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the fate of the second Primarchs and try to make

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chapters with their gene seed or discover some

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already made those chapters and name them. So...

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I think we're going to be divisive on this one.

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I've got... I disagree. I disagree with... I

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have... Before I say why that's like any like

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opinion, I think I read a reason for why they

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exist to begin with. The original point of the

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two missing Primarchs was just a reference to

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the Teteberg legions at Rome. You know, the ones

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that got obliterated in Germania. History. And

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the writers. Yeah, the writers didn't really.

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It was just kind of like a cool little thing

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like, oh, we got two more legions we don't really

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talk about anymore. And so, you know, in theory,

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they did something so bad, even worse than Horus.

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And the writers didn't really think at the time

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how that might pan out. And we're now kind of

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with the point where we have these two, you know,

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Primarchs, who in theory did something even worse

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than Horus. We just end up with what, like, now

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the issue is it's like... Horus joined hell and

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killed the Emperor, and they still did something

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worse. You can't explain that without being disappointing.

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Well, I think the thing... There's two points

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about that specific point, though. One, it's

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like the Emperor obviously nipped it in the bud

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before it became a Horus -equivalent threat.

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But I think the thing is, though, that I would

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say I actually like that there's a bit of mystery

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in the setting in that regard, because... Like

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Main Event Virgil said, the Primarchs are somewhat

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the fulcrum to which Warhammer evolves. Everything

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comes back to Primarchs. Most people are like,

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oh, Xenos are fun. It's like, let's be honest,

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people love the Space Marines, and the Space

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Marines are heavily rooted in the tree of life

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that is Primarchs. And I think it's cool to have

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a couple of them that, one, give you a bit of

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grounding and say, hey, look, even before the

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Horus Heresy, they weren't infallible. And it

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gives you a bedrock to be like, okay, they can

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fuck up. They can completely go against their

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calling, their nature as sons of the emperor.

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And that means that it doesn't just come out

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of the blue, but also I like, for example, when

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you think of like an early IP, like Alien, everyone

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loved the Alien series when we didn't know how

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the xenomorphs were made or who the predators

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were. And then we watched Prometheus and we're

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like, oh. Although that's how they're made. Okay.

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I guess. And like when you've removed the mystery

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of like these enigmatic characters or factions

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or species, the mystery itself can, can be a

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detriment because it's like the untold rule of

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horror films, for example, is the best horror

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is the stuff you don't see because you make a

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unique type of horror in your brain from the

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little bits of scant information you have. And

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that would be way more terrifying than making

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a CGI goober. And by the same extension, having

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narrative plots that aren't resolved, that are

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little blind spots. You go, what's going on with

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that? Like, where did the Tyranids come from?

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I never want to know because they're more menacing,

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knowing that there's speculation. And with the

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Primarchs in mind, the lost Primarchs, I hope

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they remain enigmatic because I don't want to

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delve into that. We've got enough Primarchs.

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I mean, how many people... No more Primarchs,

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please. We've got enough. There's enough Primarch

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to go around. We can share Primarch. I was just

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really quick. I agree. One thing about a mystery

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is when you solve the mystery, there is nothing

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left to talk about. It's like you're reading

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a Sherlock Holmes book. It's like, well, kind

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of at the end of the book, he solves the mystery

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we can all go home now like there's rereading

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like a mystery book or playing like a mystery

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game is almost kind of pointless it's like well

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i know what i know what happened like there's

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no suspense anymore plus there is also the you

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know if it's a bad mystery like if the twist

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turns out to be shit it's like well now there's

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nothing left to talk about except you know the

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the reveal and i hate the reveal so now we're

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just double screwed because what they came up

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with was bad which i know like fear of them cocking

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it up isn't shouldn't be the main reason they

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don't reveal but for something this big it i

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do feel it's both healthier to leave it alone

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and i they would have to do something real big

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for it to be to lead up to like to live up to

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i mean god 20 plus years of however many years

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of real -life build -up. If you do not absolutely

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nail it, this is going to just suck. There's

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no in -between. I don't think this can be an

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okay reveal. They would have to nail it or...

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The surprise would be in the box the whole time.

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But also to the micro point in... virgil's thing

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about like space marine legion descendants like

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we already kind of have that because we know

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the ultramarines and imperial fists received

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the the kind of the leftovers of those legions

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and there's a whole theory about for example

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the soul drinkers they're recorded as an imperial

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fist chapter but then we find out in their own

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books that they're not sons of and it's like

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what the heck's that about we know your history

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we know you come from the um The sword brethren

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of the original Imperial Fists, kind of like

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the Black Templars. But you're not genetically

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tied to Rogaldorn. Maybe they're from one of

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the two legions. And it would make sense why

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they're so weird. A guy in charge has spider

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legs. That's pretty messed up. What's going on

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there? You know what? With Virgil's point, I

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actually have to disagree with him. I think there

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should be twice the amount of missing Primarchs,

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quite honestly. I would double it and hand it

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to the next guy. You do realize that there are

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seven missing loyalist Primarchs. We've got that.

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No, he wants total no -namers. Would anybody

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with a family and friends and a good life be

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sad if the Alpha Legion and Raven Guard were

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annihilated from Warhammer lore? The legions

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died in the Horus heresy. Gone. I would not be

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upset if Corvus Corax got shanked in the dark

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and went missing. If Alpharius' own scheme backfired

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and he ended up getting sucked into some blades

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or something. Terrible ending. I think Virgil

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has a point here. Virgil has a point here, which

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is the legions are from a cultural inspiration

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side like do i need another you know like someone's

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like we've run out of greco -roman but don't

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worry i've got more greco -roman in the back

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like that's how it always feels uh so some of

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them you know when they have the horrors heresy

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or other things they should they had an opportunity

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to address the point that virgin makes which

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is like you know where's my samurai goddamn space

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marines and i mean the legion of samurai space

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we'll just put all the asians in the white scars

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it's fine no yeah yeah is it jang zai khan is

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more like japanese coded than for example like

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target so they like then they go like oh he's

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from a different planet that's why his arm is

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like a little bit different he's got like the

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samurai look he's got like a massive forehead

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for some reason that's beside the point They're

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Space Marines. I don't need a stealthy espionage

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Space Marine. It's a shock troop. It's a tank.

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I think if you... The Horus Heresy without the

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Alpha Legion or Raven Guard is almost the exact

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same thing, let's be honest. We're literally

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watching you play Space Marine 2 as a Raven Guard.

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What's going on? I'm just saying, I think you

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could almost have it like we knew Corvus Corvus.

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More of them should be dead, that's what I'm

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saying. More should be dead. i i will say for

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like the culture aspect it's like we don't need

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another primark to have more cultures of space

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marine like that that's that i will say that

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is something i do just flat out disagree with

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although i will heavily disagree with what hal

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just said about the raven girl because like let's

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be honest how cool is it to be like hey we're

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gonna like stealthily sneak in like a sherman

00:27:04.779 --> 00:27:07.940
tank within the midst of your lines like oh that's

00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:10.099
pretty cool like How did you sneak that thing

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in? It's huge, and it's deadly. I like that you

00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.319
can just, yes, you can have them drop -potting

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in, but I like the idea that you can just sneakily

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hide a super soldier behind enemies' ranks, clad

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like an Abrams. Yeah, that's our thing. Deal

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with it. It's cool for it to be a part of other

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things, though. It doesn't have to be a whole

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Legion itself. I just thought... Virgil, I disagree

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with some parts, but I agree with the second.

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statement. I think we did have some donos before

00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:41.980
we get way too far. Yes, we do. We have plenty

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of donos. Thanks, everyone. So, first one from

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Duartenwerther. Very fun name. When will Chegorak

00:27:50.900 --> 00:27:53.319
get off his arse? Have some fun and have Lucius

00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.400
constantly respawning Komara. That'd be kind

00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.799
of funny. Well, to be fair, reading the books

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I've been reading this last week, it seems like

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he knows that he'll get ruffle stomped by Slaanesh.

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So his whole thing is just, I'm going to hide

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in the shadows and go, hee hee hee hee, and try

00:28:10.779 --> 00:28:12.980
to whittle away Slaanesh's influence from the

00:28:12.980 --> 00:28:15.400
shadows, because he knows if he goes, da -da,

00:28:15.500 --> 00:28:18.339
it's like, crunk, dead. But he's a funny man.

00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.220
He does sometimes punch Slaanesh in the jaw,

00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.859
though. That's how he saves, he does save Slaanesh

00:28:23.859 --> 00:28:29.339
from death. I do also like the tidbit that also,

00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.799
apparently, occasionally, he just inhabits one

00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.400
of his harlequins on the sly, and he's just like,

00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.440
hee hee hee. I'm just a Harlequin. Don't mind

00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.259
me. That's what I'm saying. Get rid of Ravengard

00:28:41.259 --> 00:28:44.640
and Alpha Legion and give us more Eldar Horus

00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.740
heresy. It would have been fun. Oh, here's Speak

00:28:47.740 --> 00:28:51.720
of the Devil from earlier. Two bucks. Hal goons

00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.279
to Father Dagon and Mother Hydra. Thanks, brother.

00:28:55.220 --> 00:28:58.960
I'm much more of a Moloch Bar kind of dude. Oh,

00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:04.700
dear. That's an interesting Daedric Prince to

00:29:04.700 --> 00:29:08.279
prefer. Any particular reason? Actually, you

00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:13.019
know what? I change it to Boethia. Put the pressure

00:29:13.019 --> 00:29:15.319
on because now I'm getting out of that. Yeah,

00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.200
maybe not. The god of what? Let's not say it.

00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:24.440
Yeah. Fogless El Bosso. Five euros. Who wins?

00:29:24.579 --> 00:29:27.200
Mr. Landlord from Smiling Friends or Sinch? Anywho,

00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.900
praise to the dark gods. We're going to play

00:29:29.900 --> 00:29:33.359
Need for Speed for the PlayStation 2 and smoke

00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:36.400
weed and drink diet cola. Fuck, what did he say?

00:29:36.619 --> 00:29:42.019
Zach is a treasure. He's not a national, he's

00:29:42.019 --> 00:29:45.579
an international treasure. Best name ever. Optimus

00:29:45.579 --> 00:29:54.299
Jedi for two bucks. The Suck TM. Erder. Erder.

00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:01.160
Erder. Oh, wow. Absolute legend of the chat.

00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.519
Shalaxy's Metascripper for 5k. Andy's Fixing

00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:10.220
40k Warhammer podcast is according to my BF.

00:30:10.700 --> 00:30:15.140
Sexy Bob the Builder. Can I fix it? No, it's

00:30:15.140 --> 00:30:19.680
fucked. Yeah, thank you. It's good. Is Bob the

00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:24.530
Builder not already sexy? I mean, sorry. Yerjo,

00:30:24.530 --> 00:30:28.009
five bucks. He should read the Dawn of Fire series.

00:30:28.150 --> 00:30:30.349
The Imperium only takes a dub in book three.

00:30:30.650 --> 00:30:33.109
Every other book after book three is the Imperium

00:30:33.109 --> 00:30:36.650
taking massive L's. But it also has the Wolf

00:30:36.650 --> 00:30:39.910
Time and it's not the Wolf Time. That's the only

00:30:39.910 --> 00:30:41.410
one I've read and I was like, this is a weird

00:30:41.410 --> 00:30:45.130
book. My reference for that series is a bit skewed.

00:30:45.970 --> 00:30:47.309
Do you want to get this one, Colin? Medicare

00:30:47.309 --> 00:30:52.059
Insulin. Wow. Why the F are you guys so early?

00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:54.940
Where's the fentanyl, Colin? I have asked to

00:30:54.940 --> 00:30:56.660
do it an hour early because I need to go to my

00:30:56.660 --> 00:31:01.119
grandma's later. Is that the Canadians? I also,

00:31:01.220 --> 00:31:03.819
gentlemen, I apologize. I will be right back.

00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:06.660
I am about to have an emergency. Go for it. Go

00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:09.859
for it. It's all right. Go, go, go, go, go. We

00:31:09.859 --> 00:31:14.210
got this. Tea. You guys should put a pic of Colin's

00:31:14.210 --> 00:31:16.630
forehead up on the screen and play tic -tac -toe.

00:31:16.970 --> 00:31:19.890
I'm glad he's not here to hear that. That's very

00:31:19.890 --> 00:31:25.789
mean. Listen, okay? Everyone who's in the Discord,

00:31:26.049 --> 00:31:28.609
post a pic of your hairlines before you insult

00:31:28.609 --> 00:31:31.890
ours, okay? Okay, all right, yeah. You paid tic

00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:34.089
-tac -toe on our foreheads. I'm pretty sure,

00:31:34.190 --> 00:31:36.109
you know, we could fill out our tax forms on

00:31:36.109 --> 00:31:38.170
some of you lot, okay? What's that saying? You

00:31:38.170 --> 00:31:40.529
know, those in glass houses shouldn't throw boulders

00:31:40.529 --> 00:31:42.990
or something like that? Smooth pebble heads.

00:31:45.670 --> 00:31:51.430
Trello... Trelloac? Hegarty? Hegarty? For $10?

00:31:52.869 --> 00:31:57.170
As a colossal Templars fan, I hate the fact that...

00:31:57.309 --> 00:31:59.670
an ancient siggy managed to effectively beat

00:31:59.670 --> 00:32:03.990
in brackets ignoring chaos shenanigans abby like

00:32:03.990 --> 00:32:06.309
it had been better if abby one tapped him to

00:32:06.309 --> 00:32:09.529
show hey i'm the big bad i mean it's kind of

00:32:09.529 --> 00:32:11.990
a send -off to sigismund isn't it though he deserved

00:32:11.990 --> 00:32:14.829
yeah and sigismund's a weird one just because

00:32:14.829 --> 00:32:18.049
he's like um he's basically reputed as the space

00:32:18.049 --> 00:32:21.250
marine and he's extremely terrifying when he's

00:32:21.250 --> 00:32:25.349
imbued with the emperor's like faith so i think

00:32:25.349 --> 00:32:28.380
that counters the ab and he's abaddon's not like

00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:30.079
imbued with chaos yet and if he was it'd be a

00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:33.279
trounce but i think and also abaddon's known

00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.279
as like he just goes for the kill when he sees

00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.039
it and he does he's like damn the consequences

00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.359
and that's why he's so vicious but i don't i

00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.640
don't mind ciggy getting a getting a good wind

00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:45.940
it was a good fight uh that was an angry homunculus

00:32:45.940 --> 00:32:49.279
for two pounds wasn't fire lord ozai the phoenix

00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:53.400
kings tech is it the phoenix emperor in avatar

00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.900
last airbender I don't remember. Oh, that's what

00:32:55.900 --> 00:32:58.440
the reference... I don't know anime. I was like,

00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.160
huh? It's been so long since I've seen Avatar

00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.440
The Last Airbender, man. It's my childhood. I'm

00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:09.059
an old man. Limper106 for five. First time catching

00:33:09.059 --> 00:33:11.019
you live. Can we talk about Archeon having the

00:33:11.019 --> 00:33:13.079
dumbest reason for turning to chaos? Or was that

00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:14.680
retconned too? Thank you very much. Hope you're

00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.500
enjoying the stream. It's not retconned. I don't

00:33:16.500 --> 00:33:20.579
know much. I think if you check out a few episodes

00:33:20.579 --> 00:33:23.440
back, our lovely friend MrDreadanon did point

00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.650
out like... At the time, it was unique in terms

00:33:26.650 --> 00:33:30.990
of Archeon's journey being I make my own destiny

00:33:30.990 --> 00:33:32.849
and I'll do it because I want to do it, not because

00:33:32.849 --> 00:33:34.930
I was told to. But then basically they kept copying

00:33:34.930 --> 00:33:37.410
that and then Avedon was like, yeah, I'm not

00:33:37.410 --> 00:33:39.750
going to be a champion of chaos unless I really

00:33:39.750 --> 00:33:47.430
feel like it. Unless I'm in the movie. You know

00:33:47.430 --> 00:33:48.349
what that reminds me of? It's like when your

00:33:48.349 --> 00:33:49.690
mum tells you to clean your room. You're like,

00:33:49.730 --> 00:33:52.390
yeah. I'll do it myself. And then you get forced.

00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:53.910
It's like, I was going to do it anyway. It's

00:33:53.910 --> 00:33:56.490
like Ryan from Office when he says, don't leave

00:33:56.490 --> 00:34:00.529
me when I'm in the mood to be led. Like, that's

00:34:00.529 --> 00:34:03.529
the kind of thing. Oh, this is moving. Oh, God.

00:34:03.609 --> 00:34:05.950
I'm being targeted. Medicare insulin for five

00:34:05.950 --> 00:34:09.659
bucks. Hal just hates... I guess it's Malekith

00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:12.400
because he lost a prison shower fight post -soap

00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.960
drop against him and the entirety of chaos. Bloody

00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:19.519
hell. Thanks, brother. It's a long queue. Oh,

00:34:19.619 --> 00:34:23.800
I like this. Law crimes littlest piggyback. Hello

00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:28.239
again, friend. Five bucks. In brackets. Derogatory.

00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:34.559
Derogatory. Oh, my God. Cute and concerning simultaneously.

00:34:35.059 --> 00:34:38.019
Thank you guys so much. Neon. I haven't seen

00:34:38.019 --> 00:34:40.380
you in a while. Good to see you, brother. 5 euros.

00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.940
I have a plot hole in 40k. It's always bothered

00:34:43.940 --> 00:34:46.780
me. So custodians are super expensive to create,

00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.179
right? How did Big E create 10k of them on Terra?

00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.579
Took him quite a while, and I guess maybe it

00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:57.039
was easy with the Emperor? I don't know. To be

00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.840
fair, he's also got a million worlds at the height

00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:05.400
of their power. He had a rapid expanse through

00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.639
the Great Crusade, where it's like... we've gone

00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:11.460
from just terror to like oh all these like planets

00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:13.159
that have been doing their own thing for like

00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.820
several millennia oh your stuff's mine now lol

00:35:15.820 --> 00:35:19.840
so i think they um like from the uh just like

00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.880
a small lauded bit of that like a lot of them

00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.320
were captured sons of uh post -terran warlords

00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:28.699
so i think they all came in batches if i'm honest

00:35:28.699 --> 00:35:31.920
brother they batch mate slightly and then uh

00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.860
they also don't die really unless it was like

00:35:33.860 --> 00:35:36.239
the horror they don't really die so they kind

00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.360
of maintain their numbers well i i got told off

00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.039
by a comment recently because of my custodians

00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.619
videos like actually they do age because look

00:35:44.619 --> 00:35:46.760
at treys and trajan valorous and i was like well

00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:48.900
at the time i'm pretty sure the sources i was

00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:50.760
saying like they don't age because they're custodians

00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.619
but then all of a sudden trajan went from like

00:35:53.619 --> 00:35:56.539
look at my like my my beard and my hair it's

00:35:56.539 --> 00:35:59.000
like and it's like gray they just went screw

00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.630
it he's gray now okay Where did that come from?

00:36:01.630 --> 00:36:03.070
Yeah, some of them have, like, grey moustaches.

00:36:03.110 --> 00:36:05.670
It's a choice, but, you know, maybe it's, like,

00:36:05.690 --> 00:36:07.869
the whole thing is, like, the way to make them

00:36:07.869 --> 00:36:10.969
isn't as good as when the Emperor did it. Maybe.

00:36:12.250 --> 00:36:16.510
Groynath for 55 tri. Also, a military setting,

00:36:16.690 --> 00:36:19.510
albeit a fictional one, needs special forces

00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:21.469
and intelligence operatives. 40k is a military

00:36:21.469 --> 00:36:25.630
setting in the end. we did have a uh a comment

00:36:25.630 --> 00:36:28.070
very briefly on by a border prince our brother

00:36:28.070 --> 00:36:30.610
in the chat he said uh please discuss gilliman

00:36:30.610 --> 00:36:32.909
getting captured after rezzing then breaking

00:36:32.909 --> 00:36:35.570
out of prison because they also kept all the

00:36:35.570 --> 00:36:38.329
weapons and tanks in the next yeah that was a

00:36:38.329 --> 00:36:42.070
bit of a blackstone conundrum wasn't it lovely

00:36:42.070 --> 00:36:44.869
although i also find it amusing that if you play

00:36:44.869 --> 00:36:47.510
the chaos campaign of battlefleet gothic you

00:36:47.510 --> 00:36:49.449
basically just like capture gilliman and put

00:36:49.449 --> 00:36:51.489
him in the hold of your like ship and he's like

00:36:51.489 --> 00:36:55.039
oh you're Bunch of dicks. Shut up, Primark. I

00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:58.019
won. Oh, that's crazy. How did this guy get...

00:36:58.019 --> 00:37:01.579
How did you beat a Primark? That's crazy. Also,

00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.500
last one from MonkeyMouse. DonkeyManUSA, five

00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:08.099
bucks. Elated. Stream late due to Hal gooning

00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:11.079
to Colin in Prague. Can't believe I was 30 minutes

00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.199
late. DonkeyManUSA, appreciate it, brother. Thank

00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:17.139
you. Thanks, buddy. The next prompt that I do

00:37:17.139 --> 00:37:20.639
have... Let me grab that up for there. We didn't

00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.289
do that, did we? This one was by, sorry, we listen

00:37:24.289 --> 00:37:28.190
and we don't judge. Again, not judging. Ubertroll

00:37:28.190 --> 00:37:32.630
said, one other gripe I have is how unbelievably

00:37:32.630 --> 00:37:36.550
irrelevant Xenos feel to the plot of 40K. In

00:37:36.550 --> 00:37:39.269
quotations, the Tyranids are a massive threat.

00:37:39.489 --> 00:37:43.630
That always takes a backseat to chaos. The Tau

00:37:43.630 --> 00:37:45.969
aren't going anywhere while Phil Kelly is pretty

00:37:45.969 --> 00:37:48.530
much assassinating what made them unique. to

00:37:48.530 --> 00:37:51.809
begin with. Do I need to explain the Eldar? The

00:37:51.809 --> 00:37:54.030
Necrods had something going for them as a major

00:37:54.030 --> 00:37:57.170
plot point before it fizzled out much for much

00:37:57.170 --> 00:38:02.510
out for chaos threat. The Orcs are pretty much

00:38:02.510 --> 00:38:05.329
cannon fodder and the main plot for the villain,

00:38:05.429 --> 00:38:09.650
which is usually chaos. The Votan barely exist.

00:38:10.730 --> 00:38:15.329
I mean, I mean, I would I can't even. It's valid.

00:38:15.670 --> 00:38:19.750
It's so valid, man. To be fair, again, listening

00:38:19.750 --> 00:38:24.269
to the Lelith new book, I was talking to Colin

00:38:24.269 --> 00:38:25.949
about it in my thoughts as I was going through

00:38:25.949 --> 00:38:28.170
it, and he mentioned, like, oh, it could be worse.

00:38:28.230 --> 00:38:29.949
It could be the leagues of Wotan. And then a

00:38:29.949 --> 00:38:32.230
minute afterwards, I was listening about how

00:38:32.230 --> 00:38:34.030
a bunch of Wotan are captured and put in the

00:38:34.030 --> 00:38:35.889
arena and, like, slaughtered. I'm like, oh, they

00:38:35.889 --> 00:38:38.090
can't catch a break, dude. What's going on? This

00:38:38.090 --> 00:38:43.550
is crazy. I don't think they know how to... It

00:38:43.550 --> 00:38:46.699
depends, like, because, like, again... It's like

00:38:46.699 --> 00:38:50.480
the Xenos stuff doesn't really fit into the grim,

00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.880
dark vibes too much. Not as well as, not as much

00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:57.059
as they can't do, but like nowhere near as well

00:38:57.059 --> 00:38:59.179
as what is essentially a Space Marine and Chaos

00:38:59.179 --> 00:39:01.380
story. It's why I like things like the Infinite

00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:04.099
and the Divine. They basically end up being their

00:39:04.099 --> 00:39:06.719
kind of own stories, like their own. The Infinite

00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.739
and Divine is funny. The Orc books are, you know,

00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:16.949
funny. So I just think GW don't. know a really

00:39:16.949 --> 00:39:20.030
good way to kind of you know like it's that there

00:39:20.030 --> 00:39:21.690
should be like things that complement each other

00:39:21.690 --> 00:39:23.809
and like what adds on but rather they're just

00:39:23.809 --> 00:39:26.409
like they're two different things fighting for

00:39:26.409 --> 00:39:28.869
control of like you know like the protagonist

00:39:28.869 --> 00:39:34.630
thing in the story um also to fail insight fairness

00:39:34.630 --> 00:39:37.909
uh it is space reasons are just going to always

00:39:37.909 --> 00:39:39.789
be the main thing you know bloody horrors heresy

00:39:39.789 --> 00:39:43.269
is just space marines uh the xenos are even more

00:39:43.269 --> 00:39:47.719
irrelevant in that one uh it does suck pretty

00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.739
bad that xenos really don't get a lot of love

00:39:51.739 --> 00:39:55.340
uh but i mean i mean they'd get more if we bought

00:39:55.340 --> 00:39:56.980
more of their stuff that's the thing like they

00:39:56.980 --> 00:40:01.280
yeah i mean even um i'm really enjoying the uh

00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:04.219
the drukari books the trilogy i'm getting through

00:40:04.219 --> 00:40:06.239
right now because it's it's so good at fleshing

00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.900
out like what komora is about and the political

00:40:08.900 --> 00:40:10.559
stuff and then there's all these disjunctions

00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:14.659
which Because basically Komara is on the precipice

00:40:14.659 --> 00:40:16.619
of falling into the clutches of Slaanesh. They're

00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:18.719
all like, don't bring any psykers, don't do any

00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:20.539
psyker stuff. We don't want to upset the balance.

00:40:20.739 --> 00:40:24.380
And then the whole plot is about they're threatening

00:40:24.380 --> 00:40:27.039
to cause a disjunction, which will veer it over

00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.019
the proverbial tip of the iceberg. And I'm like,

00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.739
that's really cool. Too bad, even in the Lelith

00:40:32.739 --> 00:40:34.440
one, we don't really get much of that. Because

00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.400
it's like, oh, Eldar, just so much potential

00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:42.670
and no... no chance to shine which is and that's

00:40:42.670 --> 00:40:46.110
coming from me mr space marine uh and there we

00:40:46.110 --> 00:40:47.789
go and i mentioned eldar and here comes colin

00:40:47.789 --> 00:40:50.570
hello buddy terribly sorry but that sounds perfect

00:40:50.570 --> 00:40:54.010
if uh colin would like a brief summary of the

00:40:54.010 --> 00:40:56.230
uh the prompt which i'll read i'll read out to

00:40:56.230 --> 00:40:59.030
you con for your take uh it was by uber trolls

00:40:59.030 --> 00:41:02.230
and he said uh one other gripe i have is with

00:41:02.230 --> 00:41:05.050
how unbelievably irrelevant xenos feel to the

00:41:05.050 --> 00:41:08.449
plot of 40k in brackets the tunid are a massive

00:41:08.449 --> 00:41:11.369
threat But they always take a backseat to Chaos.

00:41:11.570 --> 00:41:14.010
The Tau aren't going anywhere, while Phil Kelly

00:41:14.010 --> 00:41:15.909
is pretty much assassinating what made them unique

00:41:15.909 --> 00:41:18.489
to begin with. Do I need to explain the Eldar?

00:41:18.650 --> 00:41:20.949
The Necrons had something going for them as a

00:41:20.949 --> 00:41:23.250
major plot point before it filled out for my

00:41:23.250 --> 00:41:26.210
Chaos threat. The Orcs are pretty much cannon

00:41:26.210 --> 00:41:29.329
fodder in the main plot for villains, which is

00:41:29.329 --> 00:41:35.150
usually Chaos. The Votan barely exist. Now, Colin,

00:41:35.309 --> 00:41:39.940
this probably hits a bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's a

00:41:39.940 --> 00:41:42.500
straight fact. I just, I just, I just agree on

00:41:42.500 --> 00:41:46.219
all fronts. Like I, I honestly, I think more

00:41:46.219 --> 00:41:48.599
so about the tiered isn't anything like, and

00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:51.699
the orcs it's like, so you have these massive

00:41:51.699 --> 00:41:55.219
hordes of all consuming, all fighting aliens.

00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:00.579
You want to make them look threatening? No? Okay,

00:42:00.820 --> 00:42:04.559
that's fine. The one Tyrandid win is going to

00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:08.500
be decided by fans like with the Leviathan launch

00:42:08.500 --> 00:42:11.340
when it was Tyrandids versus Space Marines. That's

00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:13.340
the one win they're going to get is because the

00:42:13.340 --> 00:42:15.820
fans voted for them to win because they've been

00:42:15.820 --> 00:42:20.920
shit on for so long. I mean... It's a straight

00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:26.090
fact. I feel they start doing it like... AOS

00:42:26.090 --> 00:42:31.530
does with the Stormcast. It's like the Space

00:42:31.530 --> 00:42:33.650
Marines are the selling point. I get it. That's

00:42:33.650 --> 00:42:37.969
fair, but AOS, the Stormcast are the poster boy

00:42:37.969 --> 00:42:40.510
faction, but they're allowed to lose and the

00:42:40.510 --> 00:42:45.190
spotlight goes to other places for fair amounts

00:42:45.190 --> 00:42:47.489
of time and then it comes back and then it goes

00:42:47.489 --> 00:42:50.610
somewhere else and it comes back. I feel like

00:42:50.610 --> 00:42:52.190
that would be much healthier overall for the

00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:55.820
hobby. I'm not saying take... Space Marines are

00:42:55.820 --> 00:42:57.639
clearly like, you know, they're they're the poster

00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:01.380
boys. They and I that like I have no issue with

00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:05.679
that. It's just the poster is there to sell everything,

00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:09.059
you know, like a movie poster is not just there

00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:12.699
to show you the people on the poster. Like if

00:43:12.699 --> 00:43:14.599
I go see, I don't know, let's see. I go see the

00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:16.340
Avengers movie and it's just nothing but Chris

00:43:16.340 --> 00:43:18.760
Evans jerking off towards the camera for two

00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:22.059
hours straight. You know, I'm going to feel a

00:43:22.059 --> 00:43:25.969
little let down. It's Captain America and Johnny,

00:43:26.050 --> 00:43:27.510
what's his name, the one who's on fire, and just

00:43:27.510 --> 00:43:28.889
them. That's the whole film. It's like a buddy

00:43:28.889 --> 00:43:32.050
cop. Yeah, Johnny Storm. Johnny Storm. I'd like

00:43:32.050 --> 00:43:36.550
to see Civil War, not Wrist Saw. Here's a question

00:43:36.550 --> 00:43:39.829
for you, though, right? So, obviously, to give

00:43:39.829 --> 00:43:42.309
some momentum to these factions, we need to have

00:43:42.309 --> 00:43:46.269
credible that will, like, push their narrative

00:43:46.269 --> 00:43:48.809
forward. So, like, Cormorant, for example, is

00:43:48.809 --> 00:43:52.460
on the precipice of the disjunctions. sending

00:43:52.460 --> 00:43:55.460
them wholesale directly into like slanesh's gob

00:43:55.460 --> 00:43:58.860
and the imperium it's like ah we have primarchs

00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:01.260
that's your that's your yardstick to figure out

00:44:01.260 --> 00:44:05.179
how how bad are things the more primarchs come

00:44:05.179 --> 00:44:07.619
back the more it's like oh again the end times

00:44:07.619 --> 00:44:10.920
and i say end time specifically does warhammer

00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.940
40k need uh an encroaching end time and i know

00:44:13.940 --> 00:44:15.980
they're like hey that's kind of the point of

00:44:15.980 --> 00:44:18.900
like kdfl the end times are now the wolf time

00:44:18.900 --> 00:44:22.849
is here blah blah blah but like the inari we're

00:44:22.849 --> 00:44:25.829
gonna resurrect the god of the dead to kill our

00:44:25.829 --> 00:44:29.809
arch nemesis lanesh but where is the line of

00:44:29.809 --> 00:44:32.389
here's the threat that needs to be taken out

00:44:32.389 --> 00:44:34.849
to oh no we've gone too far the setting's over

00:44:34.849 --> 00:44:36.730
now we can't make any more minis like where is

00:44:36.730 --> 00:44:39.090
that line where is that it's just i mean like

00:44:39.090 --> 00:44:43.369
i will but the most thing that's something it's

00:44:43.369 --> 00:44:48.090
like i guess you go come no you go on ahead i'm

00:44:48.090 --> 00:44:51.590
gonna say like it just um is it twice dead king

00:44:51.590 --> 00:44:54.789
the necron book the imperium of the enemy and

00:44:54.789 --> 00:44:57.409
that and they're like an outside force like they

00:44:57.409 --> 00:44:59.730
show up in their massive fleet and it's so you

00:44:59.730 --> 00:45:02.369
still get a bit of imperium in some way it's

00:45:02.369 --> 00:45:05.090
like just do the same thing where like the actual

00:45:05.090 --> 00:45:08.369
antagonist is the imperium yeah like generally

00:45:08.369 --> 00:45:11.469
and it'll be terrifying you know croft world

00:45:11.469 --> 00:45:13.409
is like you know we're doing all right we actually

00:45:13.409 --> 00:45:16.230
like made a big you know progress against like

00:45:16.230 --> 00:45:19.900
sunesh oh Turns out this whole entire chapter

00:45:19.900 --> 00:45:22.559
is now attacking our craft world. I think that

00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.659
specific example we had, what's his name from

00:45:25.659 --> 00:45:27.260
the Death Watch, and people are not very happy

00:45:27.260 --> 00:45:31.079
with him. We can kill Slaanesh! No! That's cringe!

00:45:31.699 --> 00:45:34.780
I do get what you're saying, though. It's great

00:45:34.780 --> 00:45:37.280
40k, but it's so frustrating that these people

00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.659
can't work. It kind of pops back into the first

00:45:40.659 --> 00:45:42.659
point that was made, the very first one. It's

00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:44.159
like, you know, everyone's the bad guy here.

00:45:44.619 --> 00:45:47.059
We can have the Imperium be depicted in the villain

00:45:47.059 --> 00:45:49.760
slot every now and again. And that would give

00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.659
those other factions something to do. Fight the

00:45:52.659 --> 00:45:57.039
big guy. Fight the main character. I will say

00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.059
that we probably have to get a bit of a... We're

00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:02.780
going through it slower than I thought. But we'll

00:46:02.780 --> 00:46:05.400
get to the... With that comment, though, I think

00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.639
the guy straight up facts, though. The next one,

00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:13.579
though... Is it my turn? Yes, it is. From Quantum

00:46:13.579 --> 00:46:17.019
of Cthulhu. Thank you. I wish Magnus didn't fight

00:46:17.019 --> 00:46:19.380
like an absolute moron in every fight he's in.

00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:22.739
Aramon turning into a murder of crows to destroy

00:46:22.739 --> 00:46:25.320
a brother captain of the Grey Knights within

00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.099
the space of his two hearts beating is cooler

00:46:27.099 --> 00:46:28.739
and more creative than any Magnus battle I've

00:46:28.739 --> 00:46:31.280
read about. Even just what Mephiston does would

00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.219
be alright. Magnus is supposed to be more powerful

00:46:33.219 --> 00:46:35.000
than him, yet he doesn't even try in fights.

00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.699
In the Aramon books, Aramon insta -heals via

00:46:37.699 --> 00:46:40.000
sorcery, and Astreos is able to phase through

00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:43.150
bullet fire. Magnus also has access to future

00:46:43.150 --> 00:46:45.590
sight, transmutation, and time stop. He could

00:46:45.590 --> 00:46:48.050
just stop time, Dio Brando, turn the air in the

00:46:48.050 --> 00:46:50.650
enemy's lungs to ceramite, or the necrodermis

00:46:50.650 --> 00:46:52.889
on a necron's skin to bubbles. He doesn't have

00:46:52.889 --> 00:46:54.369
to win every battle, but I think there'd have

00:46:54.369 --> 00:46:56.250
to be a big enough gathering of blanks or high

00:46:56.250 --> 00:46:58.170
-order necron -slash -blackstone shenanigans.

00:46:58.449 --> 00:47:00.949
Just let Bro make his kingdom of psychers pulls.

00:47:02.090 --> 00:47:05.010
He did kind of do that last one. He did Sartarius,

00:47:05.130 --> 00:47:08.349
right? He dragged into real space. I've got nothing

00:47:08.349 --> 00:47:11.949
for the entire... I've got nothing for the entire

00:47:11.949 --> 00:47:15.090
preceding paragraph in front of that last point,

00:47:15.130 --> 00:47:18.550
though. I do judge this one. I want to judge

00:47:18.550 --> 00:47:21.989
this one so badly, because I can't support any

00:47:21.989 --> 00:47:26.230
Magnus support out there. I really think if Magnus

00:47:26.230 --> 00:47:29.610
got hit by a car, I wouldn't call the emergency

00:47:29.610 --> 00:47:34.289
services. He needs to go. He's such a... douche

00:47:34.289 --> 00:47:37.449
i think that's oh god i just didn't get upset

00:47:37.449 --> 00:47:40.909
by magnus ironman books by the way i'm not gonna

00:47:40.909 --> 00:47:43.630
lie sometimes they were a little bit like you

00:47:43.630 --> 00:47:45.349
know and then i did that thing and that you know

00:47:45.349 --> 00:47:47.110
it's a little bit like you know how in anime

00:47:47.110 --> 00:47:49.309
you can hear them talking throughout the entire

00:47:49.309 --> 00:47:51.610
fight and then in reality they're like you know

00:47:51.610 --> 00:47:53.949
like i'm gonna charge up my blade and then i

00:47:53.949 --> 00:47:55.630
push forward to make great strength and you're

00:47:55.630 --> 00:47:58.710
like bro you know how long is this fight the

00:47:58.710 --> 00:48:01.309
thing about The Ahriman books. It reminds me

00:48:01.309 --> 00:48:04.369
of Grey's Anatomy. I'm like, this is still going

00:48:04.369 --> 00:48:08.369
on? Five books? You've got five books and we're

00:48:08.369 --> 00:48:11.110
still at the first? What is going on? Oh no,

00:48:11.130 --> 00:48:15.590
it got better, Andy. Book four, he fought Necron

00:48:15.590 --> 00:48:18.329
for this time machine thing. Book five, they

00:48:18.329 --> 00:48:21.489
almost get drowned out and burned by something

00:48:21.489 --> 00:48:23.690
they did in book three. Ahriman travels back

00:48:23.690 --> 00:48:26.349
in time to the end of book three. So book four

00:48:26.349 --> 00:48:31.199
and five never happened. Oh, great. Fantastic.

00:48:32.139 --> 00:48:39.199
Yes. Magnus can absolutely get it. I find him

00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:41.659
frustrating. But it's also a really good point,

00:48:41.659 --> 00:48:46.940
though, in the fact that John French, who does

00:48:46.940 --> 00:48:50.159
write a lot of the Iron Man books, that guy knows

00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.579
how to write a psych fight scene. He's clearly

00:48:53.579 --> 00:48:57.670
quite good at it. where other things of magnus

00:48:57.670 --> 00:48:59.929
though he's like he was always doomed to be an

00:48:59.929 --> 00:49:03.429
idiot so no matter who got in charge of writing

00:49:03.429 --> 00:49:07.289
him it was like yes he's a you know he's got

00:49:07.289 --> 00:49:09.429
one eye but he's truly blind you know i mean

00:49:09.429 --> 00:49:11.869
the jokes though the thing about our amendments

00:49:11.869 --> 00:49:14.349
like cinch himself as well itself is just like

00:49:14.349 --> 00:49:17.170
hey i have him on the proverbial treadmill because

00:49:17.170 --> 00:49:19.769
if he ever accomplishes what he wants i have

00:49:19.769 --> 00:49:22.130
no use for him because he'll just not be my pawn

00:49:22.130 --> 00:49:25.739
anymore and i'm the God of mischief and trickery

00:49:25.739 --> 00:49:28.480
and messing around and trolling. Yeah, that's

00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.059
Sinch. So Ahriman can never get what he wants

00:49:31.059 --> 00:49:32.800
because that's antithetical to his character.

00:49:33.539 --> 00:49:36.940
Remember, guys, remember, Ahriman never gave

00:49:36.940 --> 00:49:39.820
up, so neither should you, okay? Keep grinding,

00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.159
that's the thing. No matter how many people you

00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.980
hurt along the way. Ahriman has never given up.

00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.960
Dude is an inspiration, honestly. I wouldn't

00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:51.909
say I wouldn't, you know. Again, a lot of these

00:49:51.909 --> 00:49:54.010
guys are pretty spot on, but I do judge the fact

00:49:54.010 --> 00:49:56.030
that this... No, sorry. It's no judgment zone.

00:49:56.190 --> 00:49:59.570
Apology. No judgment zone. Oh, this is your whole

00:49:59.570 --> 00:50:01.869
operation. This operation is your whole operation.

00:50:02.510 --> 00:50:05.610
Thank you, Quantum Cathedral, for that one. Andy,

00:50:05.730 --> 00:50:08.170
there's a bit of a... By the way, thank you everyone

00:50:08.170 --> 00:50:10.570
for the... uh submissions but i really appreciate

00:50:10.570 --> 00:50:13.670
it uh again join us discord if you want to uh

00:50:13.670 --> 00:50:15.750
see all the amazing like cool stuff there and

00:50:15.750 --> 00:50:17.809
there'll be more more of this stuff in the future

00:50:17.809 --> 00:50:19.590
we it was really really helpful that everyone

00:50:19.590 --> 00:50:22.369
um submitted their stuff some of them it did

00:50:22.369 --> 00:50:24.530
devolve it by i if you want to check it out it

00:50:24.530 --> 00:50:27.110
did devolve quickly into an argument the entire

00:50:27.110 --> 00:50:30.789
the day i made that uh which is quite hilarious

00:50:30.789 --> 00:50:34.199
um Yeah, so the next one, Andy, is anemic slug.

00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.599
And if you do want to join our Discord, an easy

00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.320
way to find it, just put discord .gg slash lawcrimes.

00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:41.940
We have a custom URL, so you can just find it

00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:46.900
with that. Anemic slug. Great name. I think Bretonnia

00:50:46.900 --> 00:50:48.619
should be more technologically advanced. If you

00:50:48.619 --> 00:50:50.780
need help LDRing this one, I did read through

00:50:50.780 --> 00:50:54.840
it. Okay. Well, I think Britannia should be more

00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:57.300
technologically advanced than the 12th century,

00:50:57.460 --> 00:50:59.619
with the occasional bits and pieces of plate

00:50:59.619 --> 00:51:02.280
armor, but just me, I guess. They don't need

00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:06.340
to be Empire 2, but... Christ almighty. It physically

00:51:06.340 --> 00:51:08.099
hurts to look at them besides soldiers of the

00:51:08.099 --> 00:51:10.780
empire. Gunpowder, please. But the Britannia

00:51:10.780 --> 00:51:13.360
never... Irrelevant. Hardly exists relativistic

00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:15.380
to the supposed prowess and importance they have

00:51:15.380 --> 00:51:18.420
in law. But the Exo... Not Britannia, by and

00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:20.800
large. I think a good technological level for

00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.239
them would be the 14th, earlier 15th century.

00:51:24.269 --> 00:51:26.190
with some additional flarings from the 12th and

00:51:26.190 --> 00:51:28.849
13th centuries for the aesthetic and whole knightly

00:51:28.849 --> 00:51:31.989
charade. On top of this, I am disgusted by the

00:51:31.989 --> 00:51:34.070
terrible representation of the Kurgan and the

00:51:34.070 --> 00:51:37.469
Hung. Ooh, Hung. They're literally just Norskans

00:51:37.469 --> 00:51:40.550
on horses, or Norskans but smelly mongoloids.

00:51:40.610 --> 00:51:43.329
Oh, do you know about that? In, like, the four

00:51:43.329 --> 00:51:48.389
depictions of them that exist, Tamarkin notwithstanding.

00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.119
They should look less like the Chaos Roiders

00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.599
than Norscans are, even if they insist it is

00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:56.239
all natty. And more like extra evil Scythians,

00:51:56.340 --> 00:52:00.059
Sarmatians, and Mongols slash Huns, and in my

00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:02.219
opinion, should also be further fleshed out.

00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.199
There's more. Some more developed Ontilia, Istalia,

00:52:07.300 --> 00:52:10.170
and Araby. While we're at it, I would be... I

00:52:10.170 --> 00:52:11.909
would be appreciated as well. I can't really

00:52:11.909 --> 00:52:14.710
provide a how -to for it, but at least on Tilia's

00:52:14.710 --> 00:52:17.329
instance, some more Al Antica -style armors and

00:52:17.329 --> 00:52:20.909
arms would be appreciated for the Reman inspiration.

00:52:21.530 --> 00:52:24.639
In this instance, I also mentioned the... meaning

00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:28.159
Pisa Tower Castle shit bongs and dillions is

00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.679
functionally stupid. It's the weak point of the

00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:32.619
castle resting outside the walls that is knocking

00:52:32.619 --> 00:52:34.780
over. We'll bring down the rest of the single

00:52:34.780 --> 00:52:37.619
tower most castles have. Why? Stupid! Silly!

00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.340
Come up with something else, GW. Please, for

00:52:40.340 --> 00:52:42.760
the love of God, anything is better. Last line.

00:52:42.940 --> 00:52:45.800
Ramble over in brackets for now. None of these

00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.260
solutions are like that good anyways, but I have

00:52:48.260 --> 00:52:52.309
to say it. Man wrote to the Tower of Pisa. We

00:52:52.309 --> 00:52:55.630
listen and we don't judge, boys. Colin, would

00:52:55.630 --> 00:52:57.889
you take this one, Colin, please? I think we

00:52:57.889 --> 00:53:00.210
need some help. Of course, but fun fact about

00:53:00.210 --> 00:53:03.590
the horrid person who made this comment, she

00:53:03.590 --> 00:53:06.150
is the first person to drop my character pregnant.

00:53:07.449 --> 00:53:11.929
Thank you for that. I like how you said the first,

00:53:12.130 --> 00:53:14.750
because you know there will be more. There is

00:53:14.750 --> 00:53:17.969
more. I've seen two more in the Discord. Shout

00:53:17.969 --> 00:53:20.130
out to the pregnant Colin. We really appreciate

00:53:20.130 --> 00:53:24.090
that. Shout out to my... Hashtag Colin. Do we

00:53:24.090 --> 00:53:28.309
appreciate that? Motherfucker speaking French.

00:53:30.369 --> 00:53:35.090
Just be pregnant, Colin. I'll go from the bottom

00:53:35.090 --> 00:53:40.929
up. I mean, it would be nice with more, you know,

00:53:40.929 --> 00:53:44.219
development for... Talia, Estalia, and Araby.

00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:47.480
More so Araby, because that would be pretty cool

00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:51.179
to see an Islamic -themed Warhammer army. That'd

00:53:51.179 --> 00:53:57.920
be pretty fucking sick. That would be fun. Estalia

00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.820
and Talia, that'd be neat, too. I think just

00:54:00.820 --> 00:54:03.019
the problem is the Empire's kind of already got

00:54:03.019 --> 00:54:05.800
the Renaissance thing going on, which isn't to

00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:07.880
say they have to be the only ones, but it would

00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:13.070
be a lot harder to visually distinguish. This

00:54:13.070 --> 00:54:15.869
dude is Spanish Renaissance versus this guy is

00:54:15.869 --> 00:54:18.309
German Renaissance. You're still going to have

00:54:18.309 --> 00:54:20.909
a lot of the same themes going on as the issue

00:54:20.909 --> 00:54:23.130
with like the models and the units and whatnot.

00:54:23.989 --> 00:54:27.449
Certainly it would be nice to see them develop,

00:54:27.570 --> 00:54:30.690
but there's a lot more people that need either

00:54:30.690 --> 00:54:35.489
an appearance or anything like that in the old

00:54:35.489 --> 00:54:40.719
world before we get to those guys. going up i

00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.260
see you are like this one of five people who

00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:50.400
care about the kurgan and hung i guess it's kind

00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:52.800
of me there there are other like different variations

00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.840
of chaos war bands which i kind of goes in like

00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:59.300
the same thing for thailand and estalia you know

00:54:59.300 --> 00:55:02.980
arabia it yeah it would be nice to see them uh

00:55:02.980 --> 00:55:07.219
but i i think even for them more than those three

00:55:07.219 --> 00:55:10.510
countries uh Two countries, Araby certainly could

00:55:10.510 --> 00:55:13.210
be its own thing, but like even more than a Tylea

00:55:13.210 --> 00:55:15.210
and a Stalia, it's like you can make them like,

00:55:15.250 --> 00:55:18.190
you know, maybe a unit have a couple of different

00:55:18.190 --> 00:55:20.389
model kits for the old world chaos warriors.

00:55:20.489 --> 00:55:23.670
But I don't know about a whole, I don't know.

00:55:23.710 --> 00:55:25.909
I don't think they need a faction. If I, if I'm

00:55:25.909 --> 00:55:27.769
to be terribly frank, the Norskins aren't even

00:55:27.769 --> 00:55:30.210
technically a faction in old world or Warhammer

00:55:30.210 --> 00:55:32.789
fantasy there. That's only in total war where

00:55:32.789 --> 00:55:36.010
their own independent entity. Otherwise they're

00:55:36.010 --> 00:55:42.380
just. Chaos Warrior Army. And the first one.

00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:53.159
No. No. They don't want to progress. I don't

00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.679
like the shtick. I find it boring. But the answer

00:55:56.679 --> 00:56:00.219
to fixing the shtick is not to give them guns.

00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:07.219
Because then they would just be Empire 2. Yeah,

00:56:07.300 --> 00:56:10.980
I mean, the fact that they have... Trebuchets.

00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:13.139
Let them have their little trebuchets. Could

00:56:13.139 --> 00:56:15.699
you give them some crazy little crossbows? It's

00:56:15.699 --> 00:56:20.059
not a gun. It's not a bow. It's a cheeky crossbow.

00:56:20.699 --> 00:56:25.059
Like the one from Van Helsing. Yeah, yeah. Like

00:56:25.059 --> 00:56:29.739
the Inquisitor ones. Yeah. Like Slave Knight

00:56:29.739 --> 00:56:35.110
Gale from Dark Souls 3. This is, you know, I'm

00:56:35.110 --> 00:56:37.090
just going to address the person specifically

00:56:37.090 --> 00:56:40.210
because they've gone on a tangent about the differing

00:56:40.210 --> 00:56:42.289
types and depictions of armor and how they're

00:56:42.289 --> 00:56:44.849
vastly different sets of armor. In real life,

00:56:45.010 --> 00:56:48.489
fair enough. For a tabletop game, not a single

00:56:48.489 --> 00:56:51.929
human being is going to appreciate the difference

00:56:51.929 --> 00:56:55.090
in the medieval style helms this would require.

00:56:55.750 --> 00:56:59.630
Like, if you bring them up from, like, 11th century

00:56:59.630 --> 00:57:02.130
to 13th century, you know, knightly helmets.

00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:06.059
you'll notice, a couple other people will notice,

00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.320
the Warhammer fanbase at large is going to go,

00:57:09.380 --> 00:57:12.579
oh hey, it's a different Bretonnia kit that's

00:57:12.579 --> 00:57:20.260
still a guy on a horse. Bringing them up technologically

00:57:20.260 --> 00:57:22.960
like that is just going to make them Empire too.

00:57:23.099 --> 00:57:25.340
I don't think that's the answer. I don't want

00:57:25.340 --> 00:57:32.380
Bretonnia Empire on a horse. I want... a bretonian

00:57:32.380 --> 00:57:35.780
man who has a helmet which a horse sits on top

00:57:35.780 --> 00:57:38.940
of i want ridiculous i don't i want it worse

00:57:38.940 --> 00:57:42.119
you know i mean i want them almost more downgraded

00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.260
uh but we do the next one i think we have a few

00:57:44.260 --> 00:57:46.739
more uh donos very much appreciate it guys everything

00:57:46.739 --> 00:57:50.139
we do very generous thank you guys so much First

00:57:50.139 --> 00:57:53.019
one from Kabamba's Mighty Shlong for 10 buckaroos.

00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:55.139
I hate how useless greater demons feel. They're

00:57:55.139 --> 00:57:56.639
supposed to be the most powerful beings each

00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:58.500
god has to offer, and they often get their shit

00:57:58.500 --> 00:58:00.500
pushed in dueling with space marines or their

00:58:00.500 --> 00:58:05.360
equivalents. Yeah. God, learn that. The trouble

00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:09.739
with greater demons, though, is that because

00:58:09.739 --> 00:58:12.420
they can never truly die, if they're too strong,

00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:14.460
then they're just impossible to deal with. The

00:58:14.460 --> 00:58:16.820
caveat of their power is that no matter how many

00:58:16.820 --> 00:58:18.679
Space Marines we lose fighting this guy, if we

00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.059
kick him in, he'll be gone for like 10 years,

00:58:21.139 --> 00:58:23.619
and that's useful. And even then, it's super

00:58:23.619 --> 00:58:27.719
weird. The amount of times Mortarion's been decked

00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:29.300
by the Ultramarines and Grey Knights, and he's

00:58:29.300 --> 00:58:31.199
like, I'm back again. It's like, we just got

00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:34.199
rid of you. What was going on? So demons are

00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:38.980
a peculiar case in that regard. Bean. Bean. Bean.

00:58:39.300 --> 00:58:42.980
Two bucks. Yup. Another hashtag Artemis sweep.

00:58:43.690 --> 00:58:47.230
we love to see it we love to see it and tom warren

00:58:47.230 --> 00:58:50.730
always thank you how i think so tom warren for

00:58:50.730 --> 00:58:52.969
two bucks so how i feel is that no judgment was

00:58:52.969 --> 00:58:54.989
a lie i'm trying my best brother i'm trying my

00:58:54.989 --> 00:58:57.789
best in fact tell me now you guys are all listening

00:58:57.789 --> 00:59:01.969
you're not judging yeah i was just like how how

00:59:01.969 --> 00:59:05.539
guys before we even started I was like, just

00:59:05.539 --> 00:59:07.260
make sure you don't judge. And he was the first

00:59:07.260 --> 00:59:11.679
to start judging me. How dare I say, if you guys

00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:14.099
have any disagreements or thoughts on some of

00:59:14.099 --> 00:59:16.079
the questions throughout, do a comment below

00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:19.039
and we'll see if you guys disagree or agree or

00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:21.860
which bit do you think maybe you could add to

00:59:21.860 --> 00:59:25.159
the, you know, your heavily controversial law

00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:26.920
piece you want to change or you think it just

00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:33.880
sucks. Colin, do you want to take this one? He's

00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:41.039
on me. I can't hear him. No. You're Jove the

00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:43.320
Fiverr. Yeah, for the love of writing, can we

00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.320
please get more Xenos -based books? I really

00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:48.699
hope Space Marine 3 has a Drukhari villain. That'd

00:59:48.699 --> 00:59:53.619
be neat. Probably not. Well, the thing is, I

00:59:53.619 --> 00:59:55.119
don't think you can get them for an enemy type,

00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.280
but I like the idea that a Drukhari is just behind

00:59:57.280 --> 00:59:59.059
the scenes manipulating things. That would be

00:59:59.059 --> 01:00:02.179
very in character. Because they don't have manpower

01:00:02.179 --> 01:00:04.000
like the Tyranids do, for example. They can't

01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.460
hurl a bajillion Drukhari at you. But you could

01:00:07.460 --> 01:00:09.760
definitely have him as like, It was me all along,

01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:12.980
stupid Monkai. Like, oh, that guy's a dick. They

01:00:12.980 --> 01:00:17.179
could be a boss fight. That'd be fun. Yeah. limper

01:00:17.179 --> 01:00:21.039
106 for five bucks too bad nobody likes niche

01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:24.539
xenos stories i want a novel from old one eyes

01:00:24.539 --> 01:00:30.599
perspective do something out of left i don't

01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.400
know like i don't i'm surprised the amount of

01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.579
people who says like they want a tyrannid perspective

01:00:34.579 --> 01:00:37.719
story like from from all the things i've read

01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:41.750
like from the perspective of a lictor, which

01:00:41.750 --> 01:00:44.030
is even smarter than most other things. It's

01:00:44.030 --> 01:00:48.929
just hungry. What's that server species that

01:00:48.929 --> 01:00:50.769
look like crocodiles who serve the Tyranids?

01:00:50.949 --> 01:00:53.250
Have it be that. Have it be that guy who's like...

01:00:53.250 --> 01:00:55.849
Yeah, have a Zote as the main character. And

01:00:55.849 --> 01:01:01.110
they can be like... Zoe the Zote. Yeah. And then

01:01:01.110 --> 01:01:03.070
that's an easy way to be like, you can have some

01:01:03.070 --> 01:01:06.610
character, but also it's like... You're trying

01:01:06.610 --> 01:01:08.730
to glean the knowledge of the Tyranids from a

01:01:08.730 --> 01:01:11.010
third party who's the most intimately involved,

01:01:11.349 --> 01:01:13.869
but it's still got this mysterious, I don't kind

01:01:13.869 --> 01:01:15.289
of know what I'm talking about. They're weird.

01:01:15.889 --> 01:01:18.590
And I'm a crocodile. That's how you do it, in

01:01:18.590 --> 01:01:22.570
my opinion. And last one here. Do you want this

01:01:22.570 --> 01:01:27.079
one, Colin? Sure. Tiago Silva with the 10R. Thank

01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:29.300
you. So amazing to watch your content because

01:01:29.300 --> 01:01:31.119
it's great to see people who don't take Warhammer

01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:33.719
lore too seriously and who don't get mad at my

01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:36.599
ultramarine veterans have white Aquila instead

01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:42.119
of gold. I feel the best rule for anything like

01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:45.340
that is it's your model. Paint it how you wish.

01:01:46.699 --> 01:01:50.159
Yeah. I mean, yeah. You know, it's really cool.

01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:53.380
And not being funny, the Ultramines are a bit

01:01:53.380 --> 01:01:56.280
lax with some, even the fourth company, they're

01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:59.039
like, oh, Uriel Ventress was supposed to be Master

01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:00.579
of the Fleet, and then he was like, I'm going

01:02:00.579 --> 01:02:03.059
on holiday, I'm going on a sabbatical, you can

01:02:03.059 --> 01:02:05.739
be the Master of the Fleet. And they've got like

01:02:05.739 --> 01:02:08.159
an Admiral Space Marine. It's like, oh, Lord

01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:11.599
Admiral, is he a captain? No. They're fast and

01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:12.860
loose with the rules all the time, and they're

01:02:12.860 --> 01:02:15.440
the ones who wrote the Codex. Well, the Codex

01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:19.409
of Studies does not support this action. I forgot

01:02:19.409 --> 01:02:20.590
what I was going to say. I said something else

01:02:20.590 --> 01:02:23.469
a lot ruder than that. Pull myself out of there.

01:02:23.730 --> 01:02:27.190
Pull myself out of the gutter. Is there any more?

01:02:27.329 --> 01:02:29.489
Or should I go to the next one? I believe that

01:02:29.489 --> 01:02:31.090
was it. That's all of them. Back into the fray.

01:02:31.489 --> 01:02:33.829
Back into the fray. We listen and we don't judge.

01:02:34.170 --> 01:02:37.429
By Tax Haven, which really putting a strain on

01:02:37.429 --> 01:02:40.789
the no judgment part there. I think a dumb piece

01:02:40.789 --> 01:02:43.170
of law was during the War of the Beast how a

01:02:43.170 --> 01:02:45.809
group of seven harlequins stormed the Imperial

01:02:45.809 --> 01:02:49.139
Palace. kills dozens of custodians only for the

01:02:49.139 --> 01:02:52.500
message to be the beast is coming so my proposed

01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:55.820
change would be a group of 10 harlequins slaughter

01:02:55.820 --> 01:02:58.780
all but thousand of the custodians guarding the

01:02:58.780 --> 01:03:01.800
palace and their goal wasn't to give a message

01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:05.380
to the emperor but to take advantage of the pandemonium

01:03:05.380 --> 01:03:07.940
that the war of the beast is causing to try and

01:03:07.940 --> 01:03:11.099
assassinate biggie in order to destabilize the

01:03:11.099 --> 01:03:14.119
imperium for the survival of the eldar's race

01:03:15.579 --> 01:03:19.780
One last bit, Andy. He's almost done, Andy. Give

01:03:19.780 --> 01:03:23.980
the Eldar the dub they need. Make the Eldar a

01:03:23.980 --> 01:03:27.900
whole lot more hostile towards the Imperium,

01:03:27.900 --> 01:03:30.260
in brackets, which I think has been missing as

01:03:30.260 --> 01:03:33.800
of late. As well as justify the competitive racism

01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:38.739
that the Death Watch has for old Xenos. Wow.

01:03:38.900 --> 01:03:41.480
Alright. I need to clear something up here because

01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:43.980
it's a bit of a meme. The Harlequins killing

01:03:43.980 --> 01:03:48.420
of custodians. The writer has acknowledged it

01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:50.519
was a mistake. He didn't mean custodians. He

01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:52.119
meant the Lucifer Blacks who were the guardians

01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.780
of the palace. So it's not canon. It's a mistranslation

01:03:55.780 --> 01:03:57.920
sort of thing. It's like they were killing the

01:03:57.920 --> 01:03:59.579
Lucifer Blacks who were pretty elite, but they

01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:02.619
are soldiers. Although I did read about how Drazar,

01:04:02.619 --> 01:04:04.280
who's a Drukhari, who might have been the first.

01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:07.340
striking scorpions phoenix lord killed three

01:04:07.340 --> 01:04:09.760
custodians on his own that's pretty legit but

01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:12.139
like he's a super duper character the harlequins

01:04:12.139 --> 01:04:14.219
did not kill a bunch of custodians all right

01:04:14.219 --> 01:04:18.460
no i uh i believe my response to that is uh to

01:04:18.460 --> 01:04:23.019
quote sam jackson in the avengers uh i recognize

01:04:23.019 --> 01:04:25.400
the author you know he's made a decision but

01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:27.260
given that i don't like the decision and it's

01:04:27.260 --> 01:04:36.780
stupid i'm ignoring it I certainly won't judge

01:04:36.780 --> 01:04:43.980
the they kill all but a thousand I'm really growing

01:04:43.980 --> 01:04:46.559
as a human being but I'm not judging the fact

01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:48.980
that you think seven harlequins could do that

01:04:48.980 --> 01:04:54.000
but I will say Having recently played... Are

01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:58.440
these Harlequins or Viltrumites? Yeah. Having

01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:00.340
recently played a little bit against Harlequins

01:05:00.340 --> 01:05:03.860
on the tabletop, and then one blitzed straight

01:05:03.860 --> 01:05:06.960
into my World Eater Exalted 8 ban and killed

01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:11.000
loads of them. They seem... They are pretty nuts.

01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.980
I mean, it is a good point, though. I think...

01:05:15.980 --> 01:05:17.900
You know what would be a really good thing? It

01:05:17.900 --> 01:05:20.320
makes a great point in the... uh his comment

01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.159
where he says the elder should be more like now

01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:26.099
that gilliman's been revived there could be a

01:05:26.099 --> 01:05:31.420
little bit of like imperium versus elder like

01:05:31.420 --> 01:05:33.260
straight up i think there could be a little bit

01:05:33.260 --> 01:05:35.519
of that like there could be a thing of like now

01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:37.960
that there's a sense of like imperium stabilizing

01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:40.400
and a bit of hope or whatever like maybe the

01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:42.280
elder could help them with like the knack them

01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:45.800
knackman gauntlet and then once that's finished

01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.750
like elements of the imperium that are like so

01:05:48.750 --> 01:05:52.269
zealous and horrible they betray the elder and

01:05:52.269 --> 01:05:54.469
the elder are like okay now we need yeah like

01:05:54.469 --> 01:05:57.050
because it makes the whole story grim dark again

01:05:57.050 --> 01:05:59.349
and then it makes it so like the elder like you

01:05:59.349 --> 01:06:01.170
know oh we helped you you were we brought back

01:06:01.170 --> 01:06:03.070
gilliman and now they say you treat us we hate

01:06:03.070 --> 01:06:07.010
you well there is like an interesting dichotomy

01:06:07.010 --> 01:06:09.030
that i discovered again doing my little deep

01:06:09.030 --> 01:06:11.960
dive into the elder like The reason Leleth Hesperax

01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:13.659
is helping out Ibrahim is because he's like,

01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:15.960
well, can't go back to Comorah. They're not going

01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:18.300
to revive me if I die. I'm going to put my lot

01:06:18.300 --> 01:06:19.940
in with the people who follow the literal god

01:06:19.940 --> 01:06:22.280
of the dead. Because if I die, that's pretty

01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:26.059
good company to keep. Like, ah, resurrect. Like,

01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:29.960
revive. Respawn with Inyad. Awesome. And that's

01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.139
basically the self -interested reason why the

01:06:32.139 --> 01:06:34.300
Drukhari are helping the Inari. That's quite

01:06:34.300 --> 01:06:36.199
a cool idea. But you have to have, like, a conflicting,

01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:38.780
like, it's this or this. And if you lose one

01:06:38.780 --> 01:06:42.199
route... the only other one on death ground is

01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:45.260
to go with the alternative. And the Imperium

01:06:45.260 --> 01:06:46.519
wouldn't know any better. They're like, oh, it's

01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:51.159
just Eldar. Bang, bang. Misunderstandings. Misunderstandings

01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:54.460
are the height of... Misunderstandings are great

01:06:54.460 --> 01:06:58.199
for Warhammer. We listen and we do not judge

01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.619
that comment. But the next one, though, Colin,

01:07:00.780 --> 01:07:05.559
by one of our strongest supporters, by Mike,

01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:09.619
the lady strongest knight. Would you please read

01:07:09.619 --> 01:07:13.679
the group, Colin? Is it about Bretonnia? It is.

01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:18.900
The elf goddess of Bretonnia being the elven

01:07:18.900 --> 01:07:21.360
goddess Lilioth sucks. Not her being an elf,

01:07:21.380 --> 01:07:23.440
but Lilioth being the lady in specific. I'm going

01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:25.320
to do some simplification because I'm not kidding.

01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:27.019
This in itself will be an hour and a half long

01:07:27.019 --> 01:07:30.380
video. Fair enough. But basically, Lilioth was

01:07:30.380 --> 01:07:31.800
supposed to be the virgin, the maiden, the young

01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:33.579
goddess, the goddess of dreams, and such to use

01:07:33.579 --> 01:07:35.360
the dreams to talk to elves without technically

01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:39.280
breaking the law that Assyrian made. Yes. But

01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:40.699
then some idiots over the course of a little

01:07:40.699 --> 01:07:42.519
while changed and said Lilith is the goddess

01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:44.599
of prophecy, which she isn't. That's supposed

01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:47.820
to be more Iheg. And she's also Assyrian's wife,

01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:51.260
which she isn't. That's Landry. I can never say

01:07:51.260 --> 01:07:55.800
that name. Landrael, who is her mom. She's also

01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:57.519
harvesting Bretonnian souls, manipulating them

01:07:57.519 --> 01:07:59.300
to be immortal slaves. It's a lot of shit Lilith

01:07:59.300 --> 01:08:01.880
is doing, including manipulating Teclis to help

01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.469
end the world. She did, in fact, do that. She's

01:08:04.469 --> 01:08:06.829
also secretly Landriel, but she knows that Serene

01:08:06.829 --> 01:08:09.150
is married to her, but isn't actually Landriel,

01:08:09.309 --> 01:08:14.019
which implies... Lilith is her own mom and daughter,

01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:16.140
and Lilith likes talking to wood elves in dreams,

01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:17.739
and has used the Bretonians for a meat shield

01:08:17.739 --> 01:08:20.220
for the wood elves, despite defending the Bretonians

01:08:20.220 --> 01:08:22.340
from the wood elves multiple times. Oh my god.

01:08:22.340 --> 01:08:24.359
The loopback around to her being Assyrian's wife

01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:26.699
is that Assyrian let Landriel stay in the mortal

01:08:26.699 --> 01:08:28.859
plains because he loves her, and all Lilith really

01:08:28.859 --> 01:08:31.479
has to do is pretend to be Landriel, who may

01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:33.699
or may not actually be real, and trick him because

01:08:33.699 --> 01:08:36.319
she's the worst, and no, she can talk to the

01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:38.460
wood... I'm assuming you meant to write wood

01:08:38.460 --> 01:08:41.529
elves. She loves so much, except when she doesn't,

01:08:41.529 --> 01:08:43.210
but she just doesn't do that because, despite

01:08:43.210 --> 01:08:46.109
her wanting to. She also, at one point, starts

01:08:46.109 --> 01:08:48.010
a verbal fight with Isha, basically the goddess

01:08:48.010 --> 01:08:49.869
of the wood elves, which she's trying to protect,

01:08:50.229 --> 01:08:53.250
and Isha just doesn't know because. Wow. Then

01:08:53.250 --> 01:08:56.989
does that word that rhymes with does bad things

01:08:56.989 --> 01:08:59.050
that do not involve consent with a wood elf.

01:09:00.050 --> 01:09:02.029
She does a lot of other dumb, horrible, evil

01:09:02.029 --> 01:09:04.109
things, which I won't list because of time, but

01:09:04.109 --> 01:09:06.430
now I'm with how much of a pure, innocent maiden

01:09:06.430 --> 01:09:08.489
does Lilith see, and how much sense does it make?

01:09:09.959 --> 01:09:13.659
My understanding of that is that GW is flubbing,

01:09:13.659 --> 01:09:18.819
well, did flub Lilioth in fantasy, which, yeah.

01:09:20.020 --> 01:09:27.060
I'm afraid I barely got half of that. It's more

01:09:27.060 --> 01:09:29.060
complicated than Norse mythology and all the

01:09:29.060 --> 01:09:30.859
interrelationships of the gods. Like, what's

01:09:30.859 --> 01:09:33.760
going on with who now? Who's married who? Clearly,

01:09:34.300 --> 01:09:37.220
the man's done his homework. Clearly. Yes, indeed.

01:09:37.619 --> 01:09:42.020
Yeah. I mean, it sounds like a very valid point.

01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:45.279
I don't know how to... I wouldn't judge anyone

01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:49.420
for clearly being upset with, like, once again,

01:09:49.699 --> 01:09:53.180
you know, side races and not humans clearly getting

01:09:53.180 --> 01:09:57.399
the writing part done inaccurately or inconsistent.

01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:00.979
You know, it just seems like a common problem.

01:10:01.619 --> 01:10:03.859
Yeah, Mike is in the chat as well. He says, like,

01:10:03.859 --> 01:10:13.100
literally, he hates that law. I'm having a stroke.

01:10:14.619 --> 01:10:17.640
They revealed that she was an aspect of Lilith.

01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:22.399
Ironically, I think one of the best cases this

01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:24.640
was shown is the Percy Jackson series, of all

01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:28.979
places, where in the sequel series, the Roman

01:10:28.979 --> 01:10:32.560
gods and the Greek gods are the same, but they're

01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:37.960
different aspects. Ares is in Mars mode. He's

01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.659
not Ares. He's not a rampaging moron. He's Mars,

01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.859
the Roman god of war, professional and to the

01:10:43.859 --> 01:10:47.640
point and not a rampaging murder moron. When

01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:52.340
he's Ares, he's Ares, the god that's such a dickhead

01:10:52.340 --> 01:10:54.720
even the Spartans didn't like him much. He's

01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:57.140
the villain from Justice League. Come on, guys.

01:10:57.779 --> 01:11:02.439
CGI abomination. I mean, they could have done

01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:05.420
it better. I don't necessarily have a problem

01:11:05.420 --> 01:11:07.899
with her also being Ladriel, but, you know, it's

01:11:07.899 --> 01:11:13.060
just... It is what it is, unfortunately, and

01:11:13.060 --> 01:11:15.579
given that she is very dead in both settings,

01:11:15.699 --> 01:11:19.000
either end -times or directly eaten by Slaanesh

01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:23.800
in 40k, it can't hurt you anymore. Yeah, she

01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:27.239
got it. She got what she deserved, like all elves

01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:31.539
in Elder Scrolls. Not Warhammer. Is that a shit

01:11:31.539 --> 01:11:34.060
sandwich? I'm already on the shit ragu. I don't

01:11:34.060 --> 01:11:37.140
mind. Thank you very much, Mike. Appreciate that.

01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:41.779
The next one, again, we listen and we don't judge,

01:11:41.979 --> 01:11:46.359
Mr. Cardshock. Good to see you, Cardshock. Again,

01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:50.020
shout out to Cardshock, thrashing me at our Poconite

01:11:50.020 --> 01:11:55.060
on Discord. A very well chosen name. Absolutely

01:11:55.060 --> 01:11:58.180
destroyed me. Hear me out. My least favorite

01:11:58.180 --> 01:12:00.260
part of Warhammer lore is how the Emperor is

01:12:00.260 --> 01:12:03.279
stuck to the Golden Throne. I hate the fact that

01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:06.420
Grand Wizard of Humanity is now a battery in

01:12:06.420 --> 01:12:09.260
a flashlight. I would solve this problem in a

01:12:09.260 --> 01:12:12.340
very crazy way. The Dark Eldar managed to recreate

01:12:12.340 --> 01:12:14.279
a flesh and bone puppet of the Emperor to sit

01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:17.720
on their own Golden Throne in Kimora. However,

01:12:18.020 --> 01:12:22.899
Jagatai Khan, who has been stuck in the gladiator

01:12:22.899 --> 01:12:27.039
pits, Catches wind of this and steals it. Using

01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:29.340
the webway gate into the Imperial Palace, the

01:12:29.340 --> 01:12:31.319
Khan wrestles with custodians and argues with

01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:33.359
Grey Knights. After much fights and angry words,

01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:35.819
the Grey Knights and custodians replace the Emperor

01:12:35.819 --> 01:12:37.899
with the Meat Puppet. Whatever happens afterwards

01:12:37.899 --> 01:12:40.640
happens. Jagged Eye Khan mentioned 10 out of

01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:43.739
10. It's really hard to not judge when someone

01:12:43.739 --> 01:12:46.619
says replace the Emperor with the Meat Puppet.

01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:51.539
The Meat Puppet. The Meat Puppet. It's certainly

01:12:51.539 --> 01:12:58.010
a phrase. That is a tough pill to swallow, let

01:12:58.010 --> 01:13:01.069
alone probably smell, because that rotting meat

01:13:01.069 --> 01:13:08.149
puppet is literally cooked. He hates the fact

01:13:08.149 --> 01:13:12.710
that the Grand Wizard of Humanity is the fact

01:13:12.710 --> 01:13:16.470
that he called it the Grand Wizard, which I find

01:13:16.470 --> 01:13:18.470
hilarious. If anyone knows, that's a reference

01:13:18.470 --> 01:13:20.909
to a certain three -lettered group out there.

01:13:22.380 --> 01:13:24.859
Which, hilariously, I've seen videos of. They've

01:13:24.859 --> 01:13:27.960
been recruiting from other sects of society because

01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:29.560
they haven't had enough members, which makes

01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:37.880
me laugh every single time. I mean, that's certainly

01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:41.460
an opinion. That's their take. You know, the

01:13:41.460 --> 01:13:45.539
Khan coming back and wrestling to put the meat

01:13:45.539 --> 01:13:47.380
puppet on the throne is... I don't think I've

01:13:47.380 --> 01:13:54.039
ever heard someone say that. Like, ever. I just...

01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:57.939
Yeah. There's much more to add to that one, unfortunately.

01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:02.920
It's just the meat puppet. I don't know. I feel

01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:05.560
like taking the Emperor off the Golden Throne

01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:10.359
is... I don't like that. Who's going to be the

01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:13.510
lighthouse? That's the only trouble. I mean,

01:14:13.510 --> 01:14:15.350
there was a whole, like, in Shroud of Night,

01:14:15.430 --> 01:14:16.949
there's a whole story about there's a civilian

01:14:16.949 --> 01:14:19.470
who sees the Emperor and is blinded, and then

01:14:19.470 --> 01:14:21.850
he acts as, like, he's called the Beacon. And

01:14:21.850 --> 01:14:23.109
you go through the book, it's an Alpha Legion

01:14:23.109 --> 01:14:24.890
book, and it's all like, oh, this Beacon must

01:14:24.890 --> 01:14:27.050
be impressive. And it's like, it's just some

01:14:27.050 --> 01:14:30.409
guy called, like, Gary. And now the Unsung have

01:14:30.409 --> 01:14:33.529
the Beacon, who's like a contingent lighthouse.

01:14:34.550 --> 01:14:37.050
That's pretty cool. He's like a backup Astronomicon.

01:14:37.170 --> 01:14:39.130
That's kind of cool. What are you going to do

01:14:39.130 --> 01:14:41.970
with him? I don't know. He's mine now. Gary,

01:14:42.229 --> 01:14:45.729
the backup Astronomicon from accounting. Yeah,

01:14:45.810 --> 01:14:48.390
and it's really interesting that in that, and

01:14:48.390 --> 01:14:52.170
there's a complete aside, Khan rips off Celestine's

01:14:52.170 --> 01:14:53.729
wings in a fight in that book, and she's like,

01:14:53.810 --> 01:14:58.329
oh, well, I'll be back again. But the only thing

01:14:58.329 --> 01:15:01.909
is, with Jagatai, my little what I'd like to

01:15:01.909 --> 01:15:06.010
see, because I've been reading Eldar stuff, I

01:15:06.010 --> 01:15:08.930
think it'd be cool. If Jagatai came back and

01:15:08.930 --> 01:15:11.050
he was busying himself in Komara, and then he

01:15:11.050 --> 01:15:13.250
was like, hey, look, I don't like the Drukhari

01:15:13.250 --> 01:15:15.409
as much as anyone, but if they fall to Chaos,

01:15:15.510 --> 01:15:18.130
if Chaos consumes Komara, that's a big problem

01:15:18.130 --> 01:15:20.130
for the Imperium. So I'm going to do my best

01:15:20.130 --> 01:15:22.590
to make sure it doesn't fall to Chaos, because

01:15:22.590 --> 01:15:26.289
that's just a headache. Can we just do that?

01:15:26.569 --> 01:15:29.310
And then he's not going to be involved too much

01:15:29.310 --> 01:15:31.470
with the whole Primarch completely capsizing

01:15:31.470 --> 01:15:34.390
the setting, and then that could be fun. I don't

01:15:34.390 --> 01:15:36.789
know. I just want him back. I want my dad. Where's

01:15:36.789 --> 01:15:40.970
my dad? I want him back. Please. Seeing that,

01:15:41.010 --> 01:15:43.590
though, I think we've got a few more, but again,

01:15:43.649 --> 01:15:45.210
unfortunately, I don't think I'm going to fit

01:15:45.210 --> 01:15:46.970
all of them in, though, because they're quite

01:15:46.970 --> 01:15:50.590
long. We do appreciate... We'll do one last one,

01:15:50.710 --> 01:15:53.270
though, just for the, you know, push -its and

01:15:53.270 --> 01:15:55.550
gigs, stuff like that. Before we get to that,

01:15:55.569 --> 01:15:57.409
though, there's a few more, I think, donos before

01:15:57.409 --> 01:15:59.250
we get to the... Yeah, we've got a couple of

01:15:59.250 --> 01:16:06.489
donos. Shark, borrow me a... Colin. This one's

01:16:06.489 --> 01:16:12.210
for you, I think. Thank you for the five, CA.

01:16:13.250 --> 01:16:16.689
Fulgrim's has fantastic cheeks. Also, happy birthday,

01:16:16.949 --> 01:16:21.430
Colin. Which cheeks, brother? Which cheeks? Don't

01:16:21.430 --> 01:16:26.149
leave us hanging. It is, in fact, Colin's birthday

01:16:26.149 --> 01:16:32.130
next year. Bean, five bucks. Curse made an emperor

01:16:32.130 --> 01:16:34.470
meat puppet and everyone called him crazy and

01:16:34.470 --> 01:16:37.189
deranged. I guess he was too smart for those

01:16:37.189 --> 01:16:41.170
plebeians. They all laughed at me. They all laughed

01:16:41.170 --> 01:16:46.810
at me. Look at me now. Maximus Deus Manus, five

01:16:46.810 --> 01:16:49.590
bucks. Good name. I love Betrayer, my favorite

01:16:49.590 --> 01:16:52.369
Horus Heresy book yet, but Argotau trusting Erebus

01:16:52.369 --> 01:16:55.350
resurrecting Cyrene is so dumb, considering how

01:16:55.350 --> 01:16:58.680
much he hates him. Yeah. Not exactly the font

01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:03.739
of trust and wisdom and milk and honey. It's

01:17:03.739 --> 01:17:07.180
the fact that his demon literally says, don't

01:17:07.180 --> 01:17:09.479
trust Erebus. Turn around. He's going to attack

01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:11.539
you. And he's like, what do you know? Even I

01:17:11.539 --> 01:17:16.659
know that. He's like, bruh. No, he's my friend.

01:17:17.020 --> 01:17:23.399
No. No. Yeah, appreciate that, Rose. And then...

01:17:31.789 --> 01:17:34.430
Again, we listen and we don't judge. I think

01:17:34.430 --> 01:17:37.020
this was going to be a bit divisive here. Okay.

01:17:37.300 --> 01:17:40.399
Which is, I'm choosing for the last one of the

01:17:40.399 --> 01:17:43.340
episode, which is by Hellbrett's Strongest Sword

01:17:43.340 --> 01:17:46.279
Polisher. The names you guys are coming up with,

01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:49.600
we have Shelaksky's Wettest Gripper, Cabanda's

01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:53.319
Mighty Shlong of Cygnus, and Hellbrett's Strongest

01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:55.659
Sword Polisher. Honestly, we're making a ban.

01:17:56.520 --> 01:18:00.600
He says, why do people hate Matt Ward? I can

01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:03.479
understand the dislike of the volume, in brackets,

01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:07.140
amount of his books. But to me, the entire power

01:18:07.140 --> 01:18:10.140
fantasy of Space Marines is fulfilled by the

01:18:10.140 --> 01:18:12.960
way he writes his characters. Aren't Space Marines

01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:16.180
supposed to be overpowered and goofy? Ah, motherfuckers.

01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:19.039
The Grey Knights' omnibus is the best example

01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:21.579
of this to me. Termi's running in a straight

01:18:21.579 --> 01:18:23.640
line through the city infrastructure to save

01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:28.939
the Inquisitor. What more could you want? Can

01:18:28.939 --> 01:18:32.979
I share a funny story I heard this week? Sure.

01:18:34.670 --> 01:18:37.050
So on Jug's podcast, Peachy was talking about

01:18:37.050 --> 01:18:39.149
he went to the doctor and he was at the doctor

01:18:39.149 --> 01:18:40.770
just for a checkup thing. And he's like talking

01:18:40.770 --> 01:18:42.609
about, oh, what do you do? I do YouTube. I used

01:18:42.609 --> 01:18:44.569
to work at Games Workshop. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

01:18:44.590 --> 01:18:46.649
My son used to do some writing for Games Workshop

01:18:46.649 --> 01:18:48.470
a few years ago. Oh, yeah. What was his name?

01:18:48.970 --> 01:18:56.369
Thomas Ward. Dr. Ward. Oh, yeah. My son, the

01:18:56.369 --> 01:19:02.149
Tom Ward. It really is a small world. I would

01:19:02.149 --> 01:19:09.090
say. I'm trying... I try not... I don't... Now,

01:19:09.090 --> 01:19:12.329
Matt, for the uninitiated, Colin, could you explain

01:19:12.329 --> 01:19:17.949
why perhaps Matt Ward has a reputation? Matt

01:19:17.949 --> 01:19:24.210
Ward was a writer for Games Workshop who... A

01:19:24.210 --> 01:19:26.810
lot of people just... The least controversial

01:19:26.810 --> 01:19:29.510
thing is a lot of people just weren't a fan of

01:19:29.510 --> 01:19:31.449
his writing. They say he didn't write the best.

01:19:32.270 --> 01:19:35.090
the the more glaring issue is that you could

01:19:35.090 --> 01:19:40.609
say he perhaps had some favorites uh he was real

01:19:40.609 --> 01:19:44.350
big fans of you know the grey knights and the

01:19:44.350 --> 01:19:49.470
ultramarines and uh you would know it when an

01:19:49.470 --> 01:19:52.810
ultramarine would uh tap dance into the warp

01:19:52.810 --> 01:19:56.300
punch corn in the face and then for the epilogue

01:19:56.300 --> 01:19:59.579
to defeat an entire tyrant and hive fleet just

01:19:59.579 --> 01:20:01.960
you know as a as a nice little side thing to

01:20:01.960 --> 01:20:05.300
cap off the book how many how many avatar of

01:20:05.300 --> 01:20:11.039
canes have been taken down by you know just one

01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:16.239
dude's just one bloke like we gotta it's it must

01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:19.859
be at least like it's not double digits but it's

01:20:19.859 --> 01:20:27.229
an uncomfortable number That's a great question.

01:20:28.270 --> 01:20:36.069
So... Something... How about... Oh, boy. We're

01:20:36.069 --> 01:20:38.750
trying really hard not to be judgmental on this

01:20:38.750 --> 01:20:44.250
one. I'm going to say... In defense of Matt Ward,

01:20:44.510 --> 01:20:48.890
he writes pretty good dialogue. He wrote a lot.

01:20:48.970 --> 01:20:52.739
He wrote most of the Vermintide 2. interactions,

01:20:52.819 --> 01:20:56.399
I believe, as well as helping write the Battlefleet

01:20:56.399 --> 01:20:59.939
Gothic 2's plot, which people overall, I mean,

01:20:59.960 --> 01:21:01.600
it's not, you know, it's a strategy game plot.

01:21:01.699 --> 01:21:03.359
It's not the most, you know, groundbreaking thing.

01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:07.640
People seem to like it. It was neat. Also, he

01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:12.600
did make Trazen. That was Matt Ward. Yeah. So

01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:15.979
he does have the occasional flash of brilliance.

01:21:18.699 --> 01:21:29.119
As for... The first thing, consider that if you

01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:32.779
don't like the Ultramarines, or rather, even

01:21:32.779 --> 01:21:37.239
if you don't care either way, and then you find

01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:40.939
out Matt Ward is writing the enemy of the book

01:21:40.939 --> 01:21:42.880
of the Ultramarines, and it's your favorite faction,

01:21:43.180 --> 01:21:46.159
it has gone from, it's, oh, wow, my favorite

01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:48.260
faction's appearing in this book. I wonder what

01:21:48.260 --> 01:21:50.539
it's going to be about. Why are they all dead?

01:21:50.779 --> 01:21:54.319
What happened? Where did they go? This was supposed

01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:57.300
to be a fun book. Why is it just teabagging my

01:21:57.300 --> 01:22:01.520
army? That's kind of the problem with Matt Ward.

01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:05.439
It's like, yeah, well, believe it or not, there

01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:07.779
are people who like the not space marine armies

01:22:07.779 --> 01:22:11.939
in 40K. Or even beyond that, the not ultramarine

01:22:11.939 --> 01:22:14.840
armies in 40K. And Matt Ward declaring that everyone

01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:18.119
wishes they could be ultramarines probably sits

01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:21.729
poorly with a couple people. Did he also create

01:22:21.729 --> 01:22:27.609
Caldor Drago? Yes. That one is... 10 out of 10.

01:22:27.789 --> 01:22:31.449
Matt Ward, best writer. Done. We listen and we

01:22:31.449 --> 01:22:36.930
don't judge certain parts. I just think that

01:22:36.930 --> 01:22:38.949
just to get onto Helbrecht's strongest sword

01:22:38.949 --> 01:22:42.890
polisher's exact point, which is he doesn't understand

01:22:42.890 --> 01:22:47.050
why. And he says he'd understand obviously the

01:22:47.050 --> 01:22:49.670
issue, clearly, Colin, is not like he wrote...

01:22:49.819 --> 01:22:51.859
you know your pro if you're in it if you're an

01:22:51.859 --> 01:22:56.140
antagonist it's jover it's clearly the the volume

01:22:56.140 --> 01:23:00.180
of books he's written is might be might he was

01:23:00.180 --> 01:23:02.859
saying like he understands people disliking the

01:23:02.859 --> 01:23:04.899
volume because he was a pretty prolific writer

01:23:04.899 --> 01:23:09.159
but i think he is more referring to like the

01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:11.859
content of the books people don't like and and

01:23:11.859 --> 01:23:14.300
to to be to give tom ward a bit of a break though

01:23:14.300 --> 01:23:17.239
he's he's handed the keys to the most popular

01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:21.729
faction Is that his dad? What am I saying? I

01:23:21.729 --> 01:23:27.210
keep saying Tom Ward. Matt Ward. Sorry, Matt

01:23:27.210 --> 01:23:30.810
Ward. I'm getting very confused. I'm old and

01:23:30.810 --> 01:23:34.449
I have dementia. Matt Ward. He's given the keys

01:23:34.449 --> 01:23:40.609
to the most profitable faction of a burgeoning

01:23:40.609 --> 01:23:44.529
setting of sci -fi. And you're told, go nuts.

01:23:46.440 --> 01:23:48.779
aim them to be like, oh, the Ultramarines are

01:23:48.779 --> 01:23:50.939
the best thing ever. They are the poster boys

01:23:50.939 --> 01:23:52.920
of the setting. Surely you have to make them

01:23:52.920 --> 01:24:01.560
massively OTT by virtue of that. I think some

01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:04.819
of the issue comes, it's like you get a story

01:24:04.819 --> 01:24:08.920
with no stakes. Because you know they're going

01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:11.760
to win. Look, it's like I can draw on a piece

01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:13.680
of paper and go, hey guys, here's my character,

01:24:13.739 --> 01:24:17.399
here's my... warhammer 40k original character

01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:20.020
he's stronger than the emperor and the chaos

01:24:20.020 --> 01:24:22.979
guy it's combined and he's the biggest guy ever

01:24:22.979 --> 01:24:25.319
and he's the best and he's the coolest and he

01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:30.619
beats everyone up it's like okay and then yeah

01:24:30.619 --> 01:24:35.699
and also in this scenario i'm an official games

01:24:35.699 --> 01:24:38.979
workshop writer so you can't ignore it because

01:24:38.979 --> 01:24:41.520
i am writing the canon and in the canon this

01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:44.399
guy is canonically the bestest ever and better

01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:46.500
than the ultramarines and cooler and amazing

01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:49.920
and and the bestest and you you can't stop me

01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:52.920
i'm writing for gw but that's kind of like the

01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:55.960
attitude a lot of people see but we but we here

01:24:55.960 --> 01:24:59.479
are not judging that and i'll say i'll i'll finish

01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:04.649
it with by saying um he's done some pretty good

01:25:04.649 --> 01:25:08.069
stuff. As much as way better than any of us here

01:25:08.069 --> 01:25:10.670
have contributed to Warhammer in terms of the

01:25:10.670 --> 01:25:13.869
actual... He gave us Pokemon Master of Warhammer

01:25:13.869 --> 01:25:20.550
40k. What more do you want? I will... My ending

01:25:20.550 --> 01:25:26.890
line is that I firmly believe if every faction

01:25:26.890 --> 01:25:29.810
had a Matt Ward in their corner, I think we'd

01:25:29.810 --> 01:25:32.670
be better off. Matt Ward kind of batched by Eldari.

01:25:33.449 --> 01:25:36.590
Crazy, right? He did. He wrote the Iandian supplement.

01:25:36.729 --> 01:25:38.390
That's why I can never hate them. He wrote the

01:25:38.390 --> 01:25:42.270
only Eldar out -of -code supplement. What you're

01:25:42.270 --> 01:25:45.229
saying is we need to ask Matt Ward. Matt Ward,

01:25:45.409 --> 01:25:49.489
pretty please, could you write us a new book

01:25:49.489 --> 01:25:55.409
on the Leagues of Votan? Please, yes. Yes. Everyone

01:25:55.409 --> 01:25:58.869
needs him in their corner. Everyone needs one

01:25:58.869 --> 01:26:02.170
Matt Ward book. With that being said, though,

01:26:02.310 --> 01:26:05.989
thank you guys for everyone who did their contributions.

01:26:06.229 --> 01:26:09.289
And just to kind of finish off very briefly here,

01:26:09.390 --> 01:26:15.329
this is a safe space. So if we can, I'm going

01:26:15.329 --> 01:26:17.869
to ask the boys if they have a hot take about

01:26:17.869 --> 01:26:22.170
Warhammer lore that they would delete or improve

01:26:22.170 --> 01:26:25.510
upon. I will start with... I think I kind of

01:26:25.510 --> 01:26:29.649
briefly mentioned it earlier. I would... I don't

01:26:29.649 --> 01:26:32.930
know why I give up. I would maybe give up a good

01:26:32.930 --> 01:26:37.569
opportunity for a good holiday. If Corvus Corax

01:26:37.569 --> 01:26:41.970
and Alpharius and Omegon were just like, like

01:26:41.970 --> 01:26:45.989
killed off, like the legions, like put them in

01:26:45.989 --> 01:26:48.430
the sun, Corvus Corax and the Raven guard died

01:26:48.430 --> 01:26:51.489
at Istvan. You know, it was like a, you know,

01:26:51.510 --> 01:26:53.210
Oh, one time they had like stealthy, you know,

01:26:53.210 --> 01:26:57.550
stealthy space Marines. Um, the alpha Legion,

01:26:57.630 --> 01:27:01.090
like, an Omegon Alpharius. They had a civil war

01:27:01.090 --> 01:27:02.550
and they basically ended up killing each other.

01:27:02.770 --> 01:27:05.569
I would give, I would say a left nut. No, we're

01:27:05.569 --> 01:27:10.229
not. I would give something just to have those

01:27:10.229 --> 01:27:14.329
two factions, like those two legions and Primarchs.

01:27:14.609 --> 01:27:18.670
Like, I don't think Space Marines should do espionage

01:27:18.670 --> 01:27:21.909
as stealth in some way. Like, I don't, like,

01:27:21.930 --> 01:27:24.829
I never thought, you know, I really thought about

01:27:24.829 --> 01:27:28.130
like my big tank. What if no one could see it?

01:27:28.460 --> 01:27:30.600
until it was like five meters in front of you

01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:33.380
like oh but like as a narrative you've seen the

01:27:33.380 --> 01:27:36.840
abrams 10 that's scary the abrams 10 that crystal

01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:39.399
dynamics made was like hey you can't hear this

01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:41.239
thing approaching it it's a massive tank and

01:27:41.239 --> 01:27:43.359
it has like panels on it so you can't see it

01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:45.600
in thermal like that's terrifying it already

01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:48.779
exists sorry shout out to medical insulin he

01:27:48.779 --> 01:27:51.720
says uh hal brings up a good point which nut

01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:55.260
is more important appreciate that brother uh

01:27:55.260 --> 01:28:00.739
colin is there anything in Controversially, you

01:28:00.739 --> 01:28:02.439
know no one's going to agree, maybe, but you

01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:06.520
would delete it. Don't say Space Marines, because

01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:10.600
that's nuts. There was a right smile there. You

01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:13.979
were like, how much damage can I do in one sentence?

01:28:14.199 --> 01:28:20.199
You know me too well. Oh, how annoying do I want

01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:23.359
to be? We listen and we don't judge. It's fine.

01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:34.960
No judgment here. You can go. I think it'd be

01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:39.500
funny to delete Horus, but don't change the Horus

01:28:39.500 --> 01:28:42.859
heresy at all, and just have him be this collective

01:28:42.859 --> 01:28:46.140
delusion of everyone involved. No, that's...

01:28:46.140 --> 01:28:50.420
Sorry, no judgment. Not sure how that would work.

01:28:50.779 --> 01:28:53.579
I don't either, but it'd be funny. It's the Emperor

01:28:53.579 --> 01:28:55.520
on the Bridge of the Vengeful Spirit yelling

01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:57.680
at nothing and swinging his sword at nothing

01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:01.000
before he just falls over dead. Turns out Horus

01:29:01.000 --> 01:29:03.000
actually died. He gets to the throne bit and

01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:06.380
Horus is dead. Because the Chaos Powers killed

01:29:06.380 --> 01:29:11.439
him. He died in the Great Crusade. The orcs didn't

01:29:11.439 --> 01:29:14.619
work on him. And he's like a myth. Because for

01:29:14.619 --> 01:29:18.159
the Emperor, just wrecking and going crazy. I

01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:22.920
think the actual serious thing probably... Get

01:29:22.920 --> 01:29:29.239
rid of... Someone said Space Wolves. Yeah, I'd

01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:32.220
be pretty content with that, honestly. Colin

01:29:32.220 --> 01:29:35.439
would kill the Space Wolves. Damn. Delete the

01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:38.439
end times. I don't know if that's controversial.

01:29:39.380 --> 01:29:41.920
They kind of did, almost, in some way. They're

01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:44.340
bringing back a new time period for Old World.

01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:49.840
Andy? Controversially, what would you kill? What's

01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:51.840
a piece of war on the law you're like, that sucks,

01:29:52.140 --> 01:30:00.380
man? Hmm. Does it have to be something I outright

01:30:00.380 --> 01:30:03.439
remove? Can I just put a wrench in the gears?

01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:11.760
Do what you want. I would like... This is going

01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:14.500
to be a bit controversial. I want more Primox

01:30:14.500 --> 01:30:18.560
now than later. Reason being, we need to get

01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:21.420
on with the end times. You could have the Emperor

01:30:21.420 --> 01:30:24.779
go in a coma. You could have him almost die and

01:30:24.779 --> 01:30:28.930
cut off his Astronomicon by... let's get these

01:30:28.930 --> 01:30:32.329
Primocs out of here before I become 70 so that

01:30:32.329 --> 01:30:35.050
I can enjoy them before I die. And then maybe

01:30:35.050 --> 01:30:37.689
bring on the end times so we can like step it

01:30:37.689 --> 01:30:39.710
up a notch rather than a lot. Like since, since

01:30:39.710 --> 01:30:43.189
plague wars, it's been a bit of like, Oh, it's

01:30:43.189 --> 01:30:46.050
always a bit grim. I'm Imperium Nihilism. It's

01:30:46.050 --> 01:30:48.949
a bit, Oh, it's scary. I don't give a shit. Where's

01:30:48.949 --> 01:30:51.869
Jagatai? Where's Wolf King? Where's Vulcan? Bring

01:30:51.869 --> 01:30:54.029
them back. Is Dawn dead or not? Make up your

01:30:54.029 --> 01:30:57.170
mind. Come on. Does he still like the whole fermented?

01:30:57.840 --> 01:31:00.239
poop toilet thing that was in the original imperial

01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:03.319
fist law grim but either way it's like let's

01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:05.539
let's get on with these primates let's go let's

01:31:05.539 --> 01:31:07.460
bring them back now you know what i think that's

01:31:07.460 --> 01:31:10.180
the most no we've got enough yeah i say that'd

01:31:10.180 --> 01:31:13.239
be the most controversial like out of anything

01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:15.279
bringing more primates back i don't think and

01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:16.859
as the first one i've actually heard someone

01:31:16.859 --> 01:31:20.979
say that because again the idea is cut off the

01:31:20.979 --> 01:31:25.279
astronomicon or severely limit it galaxy's cutting

01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:30.310
two have the stakes raised, have a counter be

01:31:30.310 --> 01:31:33.710
more Primarchs, and then balance out, okay, now

01:31:33.710 --> 01:31:35.270
we're going to maybe have some chapter masters

01:31:35.270 --> 01:31:38.750
die, replace with Primarchs, step it up a notch.

01:31:39.550 --> 01:31:41.789
Alliances with weird bedfellows, like maybe the

01:31:41.789 --> 01:31:44.449
Drukhari and the Tau. I don't know. Make something

01:31:44.449 --> 01:31:47.630
interesting happen. Come on. I'm getting old.

01:31:47.930 --> 01:31:50.710
I want to see this get to wrap up before I die.

01:31:50.949 --> 01:31:54.050
I could also kill the Tau. I could kill the Tau.

01:31:54.430 --> 01:31:56.989
I just came to a realization, which, fuck you,

01:31:57.090 --> 01:32:02.189
by the way. But it is related. Get rid of the

01:32:02.189 --> 01:32:04.449
Damocles Crusade. I'm sick of hearing about it.

01:32:04.529 --> 01:32:06.789
Every time it's brought up, everyone involved

01:32:06.789 --> 01:32:09.569
is the most annoying human being you'll ever

01:32:09.569 --> 01:32:14.130
talk to. It's annoying Tau fans who seem to think,

01:32:14.210 --> 01:32:18.119
like, the entire Imperium lost. it's like they

01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:21.399
blew up every imperial guard regiment at the

01:32:21.399 --> 01:32:23.340
time it's like they all blew up it's like that

01:32:23.340 --> 01:32:25.640
did not happen and then you go to the imperium

01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:27.840
fans and it's like the imperium actually won

01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:29.840
it's like well there's still a tao empire no

01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:33.220
they didn't they also didn't win it's like everyone

01:32:33.220 --> 01:32:35.979
involved any discussion of the damocles crusade

01:32:35.979 --> 01:32:40.510
it's it's like it's just they become the most

01:32:40.510 --> 01:32:42.970
annoying person on the internet for that brief

01:32:42.970 --> 01:32:45.590
moment in time. I'm sick of hearing about it.

01:32:45.689 --> 01:32:48.449
You're all dumb. I hate you. Thank you for watching.

01:32:48.630 --> 01:32:50.750
Although I will say the White Scars were in that

01:32:50.750 --> 01:32:53.090
campaign. They're pretty cool. They're pretty

01:32:53.090 --> 01:32:55.729
cool. They let them off. They were like, yeah,

01:32:55.729 --> 01:32:58.470
you can go. If I had legit control, though, like

01:32:58.470 --> 01:33:00.750
if it was Horus, Heresy stuff, I'd kill off so

01:33:00.750 --> 01:33:02.890
many people, man. It would be nuts. There's already

01:33:02.890 --> 01:33:04.550
a lot of people that die now. I'd kill off entire

01:33:04.550 --> 01:33:07.810
legions and people. I don't think Lorgoth should

01:33:07.810 --> 01:33:12.199
be alive. Korrax, Alpharius, Omnigon should be

01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:14.020
like, funny enough, I think Conrad Kurtz should

01:33:14.020 --> 01:33:18.640
be alive as like a mad raving, like the human

01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:21.760
version of Skaven, just like lunatic and raving

01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:24.460
man. Have the Drukhari find the crown and bring

01:33:24.460 --> 01:33:27.920
him back with the homunculi. Use the spirit stone

01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:30.260
in the crown, combine it with homunculi magic.

01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:32.800
Now he's a champion, not of his own legion, which

01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:34.319
causes strife between the Night Lords and the

01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:36.600
Drukhari, and then he can have a war with Vect.

01:33:36.739 --> 01:33:39.930
That would be cool. Rogald Dorn should be dead.

01:33:40.590 --> 01:33:47.130
Perturabo should be dead. Vulcan should be dead.

01:33:48.250 --> 01:33:52.430
You know who? What about the Great Treasure Hunt

01:33:52.430 --> 01:33:54.409
that's going on? The Great Treasure Hunt is awesome.

01:33:54.770 --> 01:33:57.750
Bro, has anyone in your life ever said, you know,

01:33:57.829 --> 01:33:59.810
another controversial one here, has anyone ever

01:33:59.810 --> 01:34:03.449
said, God, I'm so desperate for another Vulcan

01:34:03.449 --> 01:34:09.170
novel? No. No. The trouble is right now, Nick,

01:34:09.189 --> 01:34:11.390
I was going to say Nick, Nick Kime is the editor

01:34:11.390 --> 01:34:13.409
of black library. We don't want to tempt him.

01:34:13.649 --> 01:34:15.670
Not right now. Wait till he's not the editor

01:34:15.670 --> 01:34:17.270
anymore. And then we can get someone else to

01:34:17.270 --> 01:34:19.569
write a salamanders book right now. It's dangerous.

01:34:19.810 --> 01:34:22.670
Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Well,

01:34:22.770 --> 01:34:24.770
we, we tried not, we tried not judging boys,

01:34:24.850 --> 01:34:28.170
but at the end, thank you guys for listening.

01:34:29.149 --> 01:34:31.590
This is the first episode of we listen and we

01:34:31.590 --> 01:34:33.930
don't judge. I think we might do some more improvements

01:34:33.930 --> 01:34:35.489
on it just cause it's, I think it's an all right.

01:34:36.400 --> 01:34:39.399
concept. Tell us what you think. I like that

01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:41.779
we get to interact with the Discord and have

01:34:41.779 --> 01:34:45.399
a chat about stuff. There'll be more prompts

01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:48.880
as well that we'll ask you guys. If you can,

01:34:48.979 --> 01:34:51.579
please help us out. Join the Discord. We have

01:34:51.579 --> 01:34:54.619
merchandise and stuff. Subscribe. We'll have

01:34:54.619 --> 01:34:56.779
good stuff. Other than that, I hope you guys

01:34:56.779 --> 01:34:59.880
all enjoyed this one. If you like it, we'll do

01:34:59.880 --> 01:35:04.850
some more cursed questions even. Are there a

01:35:04.850 --> 01:35:07.029
last few donos we should run through? Oh, yeah,

01:35:07.090 --> 01:35:08.890
yeah. Sorry, I might have some donos to tap off

01:35:08.890 --> 01:35:12.630
as well. Like I say, arty23 for £5. What do you

01:35:12.630 --> 01:35:14.510
guys think about the cabal being wiped out? Because

01:35:14.510 --> 01:35:16.810
Lamal, we don't care. You're actively going against

01:35:16.810 --> 01:35:19.170
chaos, and how would you fix it? Cabal was an

01:35:19.170 --> 01:35:21.130
interesting time. It's a fart in the wind, mate.

01:35:21.130 --> 01:35:24.829
The cabal is nothing burger of a storyline, dude.

01:35:25.750 --> 01:35:29.979
Remember they teased... There was an old one

01:35:29.979 --> 01:35:32.439
in the Cabal, and then Eldrad killed him offscreen.

01:35:32.520 --> 01:35:37.420
You don't think that's worth developing on? Related

01:35:37.420 --> 01:35:39.939
to that with Eldrad, what about Barfuza Narek,

01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:42.380
the renegade wordbearer that wants to assassinate

01:35:42.380 --> 01:35:44.520
Lorgard, his own Primarch? Where did that go?

01:35:44.659 --> 01:35:48.300
He's in one line. Ending the death, he's just

01:35:48.300 --> 01:35:50.659
there like, I'm just sniping. He's the sniper

01:35:50.659 --> 01:35:52.619
from TF2. He's like, I think his mate saw me.

01:35:53.140 --> 01:35:56.319
Yes, yes he did, and that's all he has. in the

01:35:56.319 --> 01:35:59.220
end of the death. And it's like, why was this

01:35:59.220 --> 01:36:03.460
here? Anyway, would you guys want to read? Optimus

01:36:03.460 --> 01:36:07.020
Jedi for two bucks. Perpetuals equals the worst

01:36:07.020 --> 01:36:11.479
concept in 30k, excepting Erda. The dialogue

01:36:11.479 --> 01:36:13.399
is good with some of the perpetual characters.

01:36:13.739 --> 01:36:17.180
I will say that. But the whole plotline, they

01:36:17.180 --> 01:36:20.140
could have done something else, but there's a

01:36:20.140 --> 01:36:22.520
lot of mortal human plotlines that could have

01:36:22.520 --> 01:36:25.460
been more interesting. It's like that meme, though,

01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:28.220
of just like, we're going to put Erda in for

01:36:28.220 --> 01:36:30.340
more female representation. And it's like, what's

01:36:30.340 --> 01:36:32.779
she do? Ah, fuck it. I'm going to ruin the prime.

01:36:32.840 --> 01:36:34.699
I was like, oh, that was an own goal, mate. What

01:36:34.699 --> 01:36:37.060
was that about? Dies in two books. Poor Erda.

01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:42.020
Interesting character. Dies in two books. Yeah.

01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:47.159
Own goal. Hello, light. I don't know if you guys

01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:49.819
talked about it, but I... I don't like Forticate

01:36:49.819 --> 01:36:51.760
introducing this new galaxy ending weapon and

01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:54.260
having it do fucking nothing. I hope whatever

01:36:54.260 --> 01:36:56.460
Vastro is searching is actually used or useful.

01:36:57.000 --> 01:36:59.079
Vastro is a weird one because I like that we

01:36:59.079 --> 01:37:01.939
have new characters, but it's also like he hasn't

01:37:01.939 --> 01:37:04.500
had time to grow. Takes 10 years to get a second

01:37:04.500 --> 01:37:09.039
book. He's a very cool character concept. I like

01:37:09.039 --> 01:37:13.460
the shtick he's got. Maybe do something with

01:37:13.460 --> 01:37:16.760
him. Maybe use him to bring back Dark Mechanicus.

01:37:16.840 --> 01:37:19.979
Do something with him. But again, this is also

01:37:19.979 --> 01:37:21.300
why I might bring back the Primarchs quicker,

01:37:21.460 --> 01:37:22.600
because we've got to get them out of the way

01:37:22.600 --> 01:37:25.300
too. We've got a lot to do. And then kills them

01:37:25.300 --> 01:37:30.600
off. Execute them in the streets. Donkey Man

01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:33.439
USA for five bucks. I was running a D &D session

01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:37.140
with homebrew Skaven and a big bad Gracia villain.

01:37:37.420 --> 01:37:39.859
And the big bad Gracia villain of the session

01:37:39.859 --> 01:37:42.140
rolled poorly and blew himself up immediately.

01:37:42.539 --> 01:37:46.100
That is... I look bad. There's nothing more Skaven.

01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:48.899
than what just happened that's that's incredible

01:37:48.899 --> 01:37:53.619
colin wow medicare insulin again thank you for

01:37:53.619 --> 01:37:57.199
the five i think colin with with a j at the end

01:37:57.199 --> 01:37:59.800
of my name that's that's a new one the name's

01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:02.840
getting worse uh is is the strongest host he

01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:05.720
shared his debility and disease while the others

01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:08.000
won't let us know their plagues we should infect

01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:15.399
them what what is bro on about I've got asthma.

01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:17.899
There you go. I've got asthma. I can't share

01:38:17.899 --> 01:38:21.460
my disease. This one doesn't spread. I don't

01:38:21.460 --> 01:38:26.300
feel shame. That's a disease. Sharkborn Meyer

01:38:26.300 --> 01:38:30.640
with the 5CA. Hey, Colin, is this Space Wolf's

01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:32.680
biggest fan? What are your thoughts on the new

01:38:32.680 --> 01:38:35.699
release? Look, I will accept when a model looks

01:38:35.699 --> 01:38:38.319
good, and those new Space Wolf models, they do

01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:42.100
look pretty sick. Nice. Can I be honest and you

01:38:42.100 --> 01:38:45.989
don't judge me? Of course. We listen and we don't.

01:38:46.170 --> 01:38:49.890
Fire away. I first saw the new Logan Mini on

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Instagram when I woke up and scrolled through.

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At first, I thought it was a 3D print by a third

01:38:56.149 --> 01:38:58.810
party. That's not that I thought it was bad.

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I just didn't realize. I didn't realize that

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Games Workshop would make a Logan Mini without

01:39:04.090 --> 01:39:08.210
him on his chariot. And it made me go, huh? Oh,

01:39:08.590 --> 01:39:11.350
it's real. It's a real one. The chariot is crazy.

01:39:12.320 --> 01:39:16.460
Iconic. Lean into it, though. Don't be afraid

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of it. I'm also pretty happy that the Wolf Land

01:39:20.420 --> 01:39:23.199
boat is gone, though. I'm not going to shed tears

01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:26.539
over that one going to hell. I'm going to be

01:39:26.539 --> 01:39:29.539
honest with you. Tom Warren for two bucks. He

01:39:29.539 --> 01:39:32.319
made a meme about Gary in the Discord. If you

01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:35.600
want to go see that, check that out. Check out

01:39:35.600 --> 01:39:39.510
the Discord. Louise. Lewis, sorry. Lewis, 1945

01:39:39.510 --> 01:39:42.029
for two bucks. Where Gilliman and Lyon reunion?

01:39:42.729 --> 01:39:47.529
Now kiss. True. I think it's a lost bond by...

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Lyon? That's nothing to me. Bean! Wow, that's

01:39:57.770 --> 01:40:00.550
a horrible thing to say. Do you want to take

01:40:00.550 --> 01:40:03.729
that on, Colin, then? Sure. Bean with the five.

01:40:04.439 --> 01:40:08.680
one of you looks like a stunted scamp from oblivion

01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:14.600
but i won't say who jesus christ well to be fair

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i also saw a comment i think it was from light

01:40:17.539 --> 01:40:20.979
earlier going like andy looking like a gta4 npc

01:40:20.979 --> 01:40:23.859
that gives you a like a mission but yeah what

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of it i look like homeless mr beast i've been

01:40:27.460 --> 01:40:31.630
told um Do what you will. I still think neither

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of those are as bad as a stunted scamp from Oblivion,

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bro. As long as you make the sound effects, it's

01:40:40.010 --> 01:40:42.470
fine. Thank you guys for turning up for the first...

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We listen and we don't judge. Appreciate you

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all. Again, Discord, links, merchandise. If you

01:40:49.270 --> 01:40:50.930
want to see more, subscribe, obviously, of course.

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And we'll catch you guys on the next one for

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a regular lore podcast episode. Thank you, guys.

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Love you, guys. See you soon. See you, everyone.

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You know, you said, like, I love you.