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Today, you know, amongst all the beautiful boys here though, you know, there's so many
green flags, but we're here to talk about, we have issues.
And some of us need to reconcile with some of the massive issues we have with certain
characters.
Some of us don't see it.
I've just.
Colin, especially.
I realized, is that, I don't know if that's Lehman Russ or someone else.
I'm just noticing for the art, the video creator wanted.
Yeah.
Next, what's his name?
Nyal Stormcaller.
That's fine.
Well, welcome everyone.
Today is red flags.
You know, it's, there could be, who's missing some points, you know, someone's got some
valid issues.
We're rating this literally off of who.
I love you.
Yes.
I literally cannot let this comment down for all the audit listeners.
I unfortunately, I opened a gaming stream with Colin.
I literally said, welcome to Lore Creams.
And I cannot get past this.
Nope.
Yeah.
Never letting it down.
So I should mention that with this particular tier list, we should mention S is bad.
F is good.
Kind of like golf.
Like, the key word, the red flags, the lower you are in the tier list, which is a good
thing.
The higher that you are is the more red flags.
So we should just put that out there.
And what a rogue's gallery we have right here.
But I guess without further ado, let's start with the obvious one.
Emperor of mankind.
Should we put him in like C?
Surely he's S. That guy's a selfish lover right there.
All right, you like, can you explain why?
He will do nothing but use you for as many benefits as he can gain.
He'll never love you.
He's going to hate you.
But it's not selfish, though.
It's for mankind.
Oh yeah, okay.
Poor pals.
Like, is it still not mistreatment?
It depends if that's what they signed up for.
The space dream ones, it's like, I don't see it as like, as he's got some, his red flags,
first of all, is liar.
Liar man.
His only female companion left him and sent his babies to hell because of how bad he was.
But they're going to start the reddest plague ever.
That's just more like she's got.
Erda would be right up there with him.
Also not great, but.
Okay, hit me out.
Hit me out.
Is the bigger red flag I want to conquer the galaxy, unite mankind, bring them into the
warp, the web way to save them, or I'm going to eat our children into the which that's
the bigger red flag person.
Trying to save her kids, bro.
I don't know.
You talk well.
Would you throw your firstborn into an unknown pit of hell?
Because you're like, I don't know.
21 firstborns.
How's doing a phenomenal job of dancing around the fact that she felt it necessary to throw
them into hell to get them away from him.
I can't be with fighting with her.
This is complete, you know, perpetual lovers over there.
Jesus.
God, they really do.
Where is he?
He's going to use your kids as tools of war and he's not going to tell them anything.
Someone put in the chat that is a bad communicator.
He's going to go off to his basement and lock the door behind him and never tell you what
he's doing down there.
You could be married to him for 500 years and you're never going to get dull.
I think B tier is not.
What if, like, look, what if, you know, I'm, let's say I've had a family, right?
Well, you know, stuff happens and I remarry and I marry Big E. My kid opens the door to
his basement.
He gets shot on the spot because no one's allowed to speak in man cave.
I mean, was that me?
I don't know what scenario that is.
I think B tier though, surely, A or S must be, like, horrific.
He gives more attention and love to his friend, his best buddy, than he does you.
It's pretty sus, bro.
He's going to have an affair with frickin' Malkador while you're sitting there being
his wife.
I have one caveat to that argument, right?
Bear in mind, Nagash is on this tier list.
Yes.
He's doing everything out of self-interest.
Yeah, he goes in F tier.
He goes in F tier for plenty of bread and butter.
You'll never know that he's bad.
The only reason I think maybe we take him down to A is because at least he's doing all
the worst things for the best reasons, like good intentions, whereas Nagash is just like,
I want you all to die because I'm a dick.
All right.
I can accept that.
That's fair.
As long as it's not S, that's ridiculous, man.
A is fine.
He's not a good person.
This has never been shied away from.
He's not a good person.
He's got some red flags, 100%.
But I'm very aware of, like, we're about to deal with the most diabolical beings in existence.
So I'm like, he'll be next to some people, you're like, he's the odd one out.
So yeah, okay.
I think A is suitable.
Constantine Valdo, his closest thing to his son.
He lies asleep.
Good Lord.
I would, so this is just off the top of my head.
I don't think there's many red flags, but I think the one he has is really big.
And it's the fact that you are never going to be the first person in his life.
It is always going to be the emperor above you.
No matter who you are, you're not number one.
Loyalty.
Which, you know, not a lot of, yeah, but it's loyalty to not you.
Are we dating these people?
Just clarify.
Wait, is that what the whole team is?
I think I might have got a little bit confused when we were talking about the assumption
going forward.
What is a red flag if not for, like, you know, that?
I wonder, like, the emperor will lie to you.
Yeah, I was like, but it wasn't.
I mean, me and Eli were on the same page, so I'm not totally insane.
You know what?
Let's do it then.
Let's do it for relationships.
Okay.
That makes a hell of a lot more sense.
I'd say it's, yeah, C tier for Constantine, just because it's like, he's not, he doesn't
he'll he doesn't want to do anything bad to you.
But if he was required to, he would just straight up like, like, yeah, I will immediately smite
him.
Like, there's, there's even stuff in I think it's a master of mankind, which like, I don't
really like have any desires.
I don't really enjoy anything.
I just kind of do what I'm told, because that's all I know.
Because he's a custodian, they're all like, hardwired to like Biggie.
So it's like, I don't I don't think it'd be I don't think walking through the park or
going out for some beers with them would be a very enjoyable experience.
I think you just kind of sit there.
He's a bit of a boring fop.
You know what happened?
You go, Oh, what do you want to do?
And he'd say, I don't know, what do you want to do?
Yeah, see, no, what do you want to do?
It'd be appalling.
It's like, look, I get I get, you know, first time conversations can be rough.
You don't know the person you got, you know, sometimes you just you don't click right away.
It's never clicking.
There is no click.
You're trying to fit the square into the circle hole.
He is a square.
I agree.
All right, the next one, speaking of lying, lying.
Yeah, I see tears will he'll try his best to love you, but he might spurg out and tell
you to take your head off on accident.
Backhand your that was nothing.
He's not going to pick up your social cues.
He's not going to know the relationship cues that you're you put down.
You have to spill everything out for him in black and white.
I mean, he kind of like me.
He just like a big red flag.
He's willing to use like to torture engine kind of chaos adjacent tools slightly.
So it's even he's more like, yeah, I'm willing to kind of chaos it slightly up.
And then he he hid the fact that he had that from his brothers.
So he cannot trust anybody.
So so question, you're on a date with the lion and something mild interrupts it.
It's not a big deal.
It's like, you know, you get maybe it's like, you know, someone spills a drink or maybe
like, you know, if you ever go to like a mall or something and one of those people that
just whose poor job is to stand there and try and get you to listen to them all day.
Maybe one of them comes up to you.
He's the lion.
So he then kills them on the spot because he doesn't really know how to handle things.
He's going to challenge his brother to a duel to the death.
Is this a red flag?
Maybe it kind of reminds you.
I've been doing some research for Lucretius Corvo, who was like the first chapter master
of the Novo Marines.
He's part of the Ultraman's Legion.
And there's a bit in he has a short story called the Lorela Defiance.
And it's all like, ah, it's Imperium Secundus.
And he's being honored.
He's being given east.
What could this be?
He's being given a laurel of victory.
And the lion's like, you have resworn your oaths of fealty to see Imperium Secundus.
He's like, I don't need to.
I'm an Ultramarine.
And I was like, good, man.
Yes, you're good.
And I was like, no, no, you have to reswear your oaths of fealty.
He's like, shut up, nerd.
My dad says I don't have to.
And it's like bickering about little things that don't matter and doing things by the
book and he's he's in all fairness, I think it goes down to I would say it goes down to
a C tier because modern lion dude acknowledges his mistakes.
Dude is 100 percent.
He's like, I was a terrible dad, but I'm not going to be in fact, I won't even rule the
Imperium part.
I'm just going to help.
So he's kind of he's a few more green flags of Pogta.
I would say it's a put him below Val Dor.
He's I think Val Dor would be worse.
I think he's worse.
I agree.
I'm happy with that.
But lions also like not great.
That's not ideal.
As I have not read an Asriel book, sadly.
This guy's a beta because he straight up like the lion appears, the Primark appears and
he's surrounded by redeemed fallen angels and he's still like, don't touch me, bro.
He literally says, all right.
Now, he's pretty cool for that.
This might not be popular, but it reminds me of other arguments.
Like it's I promise it's related.
I remember when Attack on Titan was airing and spoilers for that, but it's been over
season four.
Season four.
Are you here?
You can tell.
I'll take it off.
No.
All right.
I was sad when she watches this.
Spoiler free spoiler.
Everyone did something to someone else and everyone was like, oh, I can't you mean,
you mean, like she was fucking indoctrinated since she was a kid.
You can't blame her for that.
And then people go, no, just get over it.
You indoctrinated.
You get over it.
That's what I go for Asriel.
I don't think that's a I don't think he deserves B tier for 10,000 years of his chapters indoctrination
sitting on him.
I think bring him down to C tier.
Going back to the it is a red flag, but I don't think it's too bad.
You're like, Eli is fine.
You can come on that.
Going back to the the date analogy.
You're on a date.
Asriel turns up.
He's bought some fake flowers because there's no real flowers anymore on Caliban rock.
But he's trying.
He's trying.
And then you're like, you're having a great time.
He's like offered to pay for the meal or whatever.
And then he suddenly goes looks at his phone.
He's like, I have to go.
And then you're chasing someone.
As someone who's like read a lot of Asriel stuff, there's the bit in Lazarus's book where
he basically has a hissy fit, because Lazarus is all like, hey, I'm just a captain.
But like, maybe we should like put the fallen behind.
And this is before the lion returns barely.
He's like, maybe we should just like stop dicking around with the fall and actually
help the Imperium.
And he's like, shut the fuck up.
And that's like his response.
And then also in the Wolf Sons of Fenris book with Ragnar I just went through, he sanctioned
a mission where they basically just like, we're looking for a fall on this planet called
his Karis.
And they they opened fire on the space wall.
Classic.
Nah, nah, we're not gonna ask questions.
Morally good act.
I guess I have one.
I read Pandorax.
That's an Asriel book.
He's in Pandorax, isn't he?
And he argues with the great knights for the entire thing.
I have two things, one for Andy and Hal.
I will say Andy, when when Gilman first showed up with the primaris reinforcements, Asriel
didn't know that was what it was.
He thought, well, guess it's time.
And he had the option to open fire.
He was shitting himself.
He was, but he didn't, you know, do the typical Dark Angel thing and open fire on his.
He was like, well, if this is judgment, then so be it.
Then he got a whole bunch of, you know, upgraded Marines.
So you know, which they then mind wiped every time.
Yeah.
That's definitely a red flag.
They're based for that.
Also, Hal, I'm not saying that, you know, your situation isn't a red flag, but I would
say would be like, you know, Superman then or any superhero ever.
There's tons of stuff.
They're suddenly on like a date or outing with friends.
I got to go.
I go save the world.
Is that still a red flag?
I just remember another thing.
Asriel sanctioned an exterminate artist of the planet of Midgardia during the siege of
Fenris while Logan Grimnir was still on it.
So there is that too.
He apologized afterwards.
We say it's a bit late.
So yeah, like you're doing a very bad job.
That was even a fallen incident.
That was just like, that was like, that wasn't even a fallen thing.
He was just like, oh, there's a lot of chaos going on.
Nuke the planet.
The high king's underground.
Get rid of chaos.
He doesn't break it.
Get rid of chaos and murder the space wolves chapter master.
Hey, shit, two for one.
Yeah.
So he's like, you can tip and dive there to go be a superhero, it goes to like erase some
secret shame.
Like he's like trying to go back and like wipe my internet history.
Like that's the equivalent.
You know, he gets on a date, runs on all fours and go wipe off his internet history.
Now I'm pictured running off like General Grievous.
Yeah, but the, but the, but the quick one about how it's like, imagine, imagine trying
to like wipe your internet history by like attaching a pipe bomb to like the computer.
That's overkill and that's not going to solve the problem anyway.
Like, what are you doing?
And a few civilians who needed your help, you know, you immediately went past and you'd
even make eye contact.
So low B, we'll have a low B. I'm sure there's higher B.
All right, fine.
This has got to be our first S tier.
Who is this?
Oh, I had a feeling, but.
This has got to be our first S tier, bro.
Imagine his job is, is like chief torture man.
That's the embodiment of trust problems.
Yeah.
There's that.
First of all, there's, you tell him, Hey, where are you going?
I'm just going to France.
No, you're not.
Where are you really going?
Where are you going?
Yeah.
There's no torture.
You probably, yeah.
And then step two, his job is torture, but he's not only his job torture, he's bad at
it.
Well, the thing is I love the whole thing of like, I did a video on him recently.
Like they can't like punish him too much because he's actually really useful.
But one of my favorite bits of law with Asmodei is like, at one point, one of the companies
of the dark angels was like telling jokes in one of the chambers of the rock and having
a good time and laughing.
And Asmodei was so annoyed.
He gave them all like a penance of silence for like a year.
He's like, you will not say a single word because you were laughing too loud.
Like that's the kind of guy Asmodei is.
And they were bricking it so much.
They did as he said, like red flags galore.
Imagine.
Yeah.
Imagine being a torturer.
You're laughing too loud.
Imagine being a torturer and like this famous torturer.
He's only done it like six times.
I thought he's done it a ton.
It's just he's only succeeded like twice.
Like he's only got like two beads or something, doesn't he?
Oh, there's no, there's, there's like a, there's one of his stories when he's becoming an interrogated
chaplain for a couple of hunts, he fails and he's like, I don't know if I'm cracked up
for this.
Then they lock him in a room with a fallen that hasn't broken in like 30 years in the
basement and he breaks him in like a week.
And then they're all like, ah, we found your calling.
He's got talent for this.
Yeah.
But as in like from that point on, like there's another guy who's just like fallen after fallen
after fallen, just redeemed.
I swear I was reading this somewhere.
There's some other like interrogator chaplain that's a lot better.
And then as Bada'a is, well, they usually die.
To go back to that sons of Fenris book, the whole thing is there's an interrogator chaplain
in charge of the mission and the space wolves literally sniff out the dark angels go, is
that an Astartes?
And Ragnar finds them.
And then because they get this, he's like, just send the whole third company.
Like let's just, let's just attack the planet, drop pods, go in and say, oh, why are you
being so harsh?
I've never not found a fallen and caught him.
I'm not going to let this be the first time.
Oh, okay.
Fair enough.
And he was just like some interrogated chaplain.
So like this guy, he's like, he's hundreds of years old.
He's the, he should technically be the high interrogated chaplain, but then the commander
like, no, actually his talents are so good.
We're not going to give him that because we need someone a bit calmer and a bit more measured
to command them.
Like, okay, give it to Safon then.
Yeah.
Why not?
Maybe maybe he is his junior.
Maybe that's what I was misremembering that Safon was there for that.
I, I'm probably just remembering.
Safon is like, he's a nicer guy.
And so they're like, he can be in charge when we know where the real stuff is.
The nice talker.
Look, it's, you know, he straps you down.
He's like, look, man, I'm sorry.
It's just nothing personal to my job.
And then he breaks out the, the prostate penetrator.
Okay.
And he calls it the cobo.
He goes, yeah, this hammer is called Sanders as well.
All right.
We, we better get moving.
Yeah.
Just, just cause it's called K.
Okay.
Wait, is it, is it pre-harassee fulgrum or overall fulgrum fulgrum overall fulgrum?
Okay.
Well then it's got to be, it's the same thing as last time.
He's got to be in the middle because he goes from F to S over the span of his entire life.
So surely we just got women.
It even says like when he's a really like he's new to being a Primark, even then like the
seeds of his arrogance was there.
Even as Primark novel, it was like he had a, he had a, he had a showing off thing.
And like he said it came from a good place, but it even stated the only Primark who actually
knows how to love people.
He broke head, broke head.
What?
I am real.
It is also said he stopped loving them because he was losing connections with mortals.
Like, you know, Eli, I'm not shaming him for this.
I'm saying after like a thousand years of marrying people and they die off in a meet
almost immediately from your eyes.
It's like, well, it's going to be hard to connect.
I'll accept.
It was also political marriage as well as states.
Like he didn't lay down pipe or anything like some, he did like him.
He did.
He was a very nice guy.
He was like, Fulgrum didn't lay down pipe so much as he laid down the entire aqueduct.
That's Fulgrum right there.
As he is now as well, Fulgrum.
Fabius.
Yeah.
We just put Fabius also in the S tier.
You know what?
No, no, no, no.
Hear me out.
He's a good dad.
Fabius is not a red flag because you know exactly what you're getting into.
Is that not what a red flag is?
It's like a damn, this is.
You know, if the Emperor is A tier, I think Fabius Bael should also be A tier.
If the, if the red flag is like, the ones that are bad, like the hidden ones, like you
don't even like, if when you're with them, you don't know how bad it's going to get.
With Fabius Bael, you're like, I know exactly what I'm getting.
He's honest.
He sticks to his word.
He, he knows, he knows his worth.
He does.
He's just trying to do his best.
He's a good dad.
Fair enough.
All right.
With that in mind though, is Eli and Halley seem to be on the same page as this.
Andy, do you agree with what he's saying?
Because.
All I wanted to mention, he literally, his signature weapon is the rod of torment.
He wears people's skin.
And I'm just saying that there's a bit in one of his books where a greater demon has
a grudge against him.
And then one of his companions like, why does that guy hate you so much?
He's like, oh, I like as an experiment, use one of my needles to like melt his flesh for
like several years in his, like I shot him with this needle and he like melted.
And he hasn't forgiven me.
It's like, I'm not surprised.
You know, I think Fabius has more human moments than the emperor does.
Yeah.
That's a real, that's real spiel right there.
But the thing is Fabius has malevolence.
Whereas the emperor does like, I have to do what I have to do.
Whereas Fabius delights in suffering.
It's not delights in suffering.
He wants to know.
His weapon is the rod of torment.
Because he'll do it one, and then he knows he won't do it again.
His Xyclos needler.
He'll do it once because you're gonna die!
He fires rounds of his Xyclos needler, not to kill people, but because he likes to put
different concoctions in it, to experiment on people while he's fighting.
He's an experimenter, right?
He hasn't, hear me out, hear me out.
He has flayed a family once, and he's never gonna do it again.
Because he doesn't need to know once he's done it.
It's not malevolence.
I want you to say that sentence again out loud, and just think about the words leaving your
mouth.
I think I just remembered something really pivotal.
Really important.
Eli, what's the like, tyranid brain thing called?
Is it the Zowanthrope?
The floating one, or the big one?
The like, the one that controls the floating one.
Zowanthrope?
How about athropes?
It's the tyranid that has a big brain.
It's probably a Zowanthrope.
Is it skinny and flies?
Is it a boss in Space Marine 2?
In the Blood Angels omnibus, Raph and the Reddy fights a clone of Fabius, and they find
a chained up tyranid that's in charge of the Hive.
And the tyranid basically asks the Blood Angels to kill it because it's in so much pain under
the torture of Fabius.
A tyranid tries to negotiate, tries to bargain with the Blood Angels to be like, please end
my suffering.
That's how bad Fabius's bile is.
Yeah, okay, but this doesn't make him that much worse than the Emperor.
The Emperor has caused way more pain and suffering than Fabius.
You know you're dating a psychotic.
Alright, look, Hal, you know what?
I'm willing to acquiesce on this, fine, but you better believe when fantasy rolls around
I'm gonna have some strong arguments for some characters if this is how we're doing it.
Just finishing up with Fulgrim, like I'm at his whim in terms of like, I don't know if
Fulgrim will one day love me or turn me into furniture.
With Fabius, he'll be like, I don't need to do that.
I've already done everything.
At most I will make you a super being.
And again, if I need to, you'll become drugs.
The red flag there, it means he's gonna turn you into something else he hasn't done yet.
Can we put him in A?
He's on the exact same line of thought as the Emperor.
Are we saying he's not as bad as Asmodei?
No, Asmodei just didn't make his own freaking species that he's a father.
Fabius Bile would at least have some interesting conversation.
I like the idea that Colin's answer was like, Fabius has better social cues than Asmodei.
Okay, put him in A. That's fine.
He's S tier, bro.
Come on.
Should we just put him in A and move on?
His first lines in Horth Rising are immediate red flags.
He's never been a nice guy.
Eidolon's also an S tier.
That's who that is?
What the f-
It's like Henry DeVille Eidolon weird thing.
No, that's the guy Jason Isaacs.
He's Malfoy's type.
Oh, yeah, okay.
That makes sense.
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Hear me out.
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You got it.
I don't get man.
I have to really say I love the profile pic of the Shrek donkey.
Sarah.
Eli likes people's clothes.
What does that mean?
Yeah.
Everyone likes people's clothes.
Do they not?
Anyway, red flag.
What does that mean?
I feel like there was a time when he was an okay guy though.
I don't think he's a walking red flag.
He's a or B tier.
Wait, he's a tier thing.
The guy was a guy.
I don't know.
I think he's a tier thing.
Hold on.
The guy who forces nine out of 10 of his men to beat the other guy as a punishment isn't
a red flag.
Okay.
Yeah.
But this is his whole life we're talking about though.
Before that happened, he was an okay dude.
He wasn't okay.
He was just aloof.
If you bothered to talk to them, he'd call you a stupid asshole for not being on his
level.
Still a tier.
That's pretty much just the emperor.
If I'm not weak, this dude's got no problem.
There's no, but yeah, you're weak.
My perda rabo standards are like, are you God?
No pussy.
He feels regret when he did bad things.
My disappointment in sons is not exactly unique.
I commit a war crime, but I feel bad now.
That's better than the emperor.
The emperor never freaking felt remorse for anybody.
You know, fair enough.
I think he deserves a tier below the emperor.
Surely.
Wow.
Oops.
War crime.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
I don't think he's a, I honestly don't compare to so many other people in the list.
He must be at least in B. He's below fulcrum is more of a walking red flag than perda rabo.
Now not before though.
Yeah.
I don't agree with that.
Most of fulcrum's life.
He was an okay dude.
And then one of these people created the obliterator virus and it's not fulcrum.
He gets other kinds of viruses out.
And bear in mind that the sun is a fun guy made his demon kill Abba.
So I think you do.
Hey, so has his moments.
All right.
The emperor does not have his moments.
That's what I'm thinking.
Yeah.
Well, we really get it.
All right.
He did it one time.
Okay.
It's only one thing.
Yeah.
You know, if the hell don't you dare laugh at that?
If you were going all about the one thing for bile.
No, he only did it once.
Your honor.
He only did it once.
He's really sorry.
I wish I'd read the iron warriors books.
Somebody freaking bust you.
Oh my gosh.
Honestly, this guy's more of a walking red flag than a fabulous bile because I'm pretty
sure like a fabulous bile is more of like, it's an experiment.
I'm pretty sure there's a part of Honsu who's like, it's fun.
It's more of a walking red flag.
I mean, he's an iron warrior.
Yeah, that's already automatically.
Any post-heresy iron warrior is probably going to make it to A tier.
Actually I just realized there's no escaping Fabius bile, but I could potentially get away
from Honsu.
If I try to escape Fabius, he's like, why would you escape?
You're the furniture.
Like, you know, I mean, yeah, maybe Fabius is slightly worse.
Yeah, probably.
Well, put it this way.
Fabius clones many copies of himself to commit simultaneous atrocities.
Honsu's only in one place at one time.
So there is that.
Just a weird little bit of genocidal mania.
Fabius bile is moonlighting as the final boss in Inquisitor and also is in the never, no
one's ever read the blood angels omnibus.
He's in that he's in all sorts of like, oh wow, he's everywhere.
What's up Fabius?
People are saying Honsu is the worst Imperial fixed.
When do blood angels show up in the Horus heresy?
I've read 20 Horus heresy books and not a single one has been.
Technically they predate the Horus heresy because Cygnus was before Istvan, but they're
in like book 20 or something Cygnus stuff.
Yeah, they're not already in it.
You find corpses of blood angels in Horus rising.
Cygnus Prime, then Imperium Ticundus, then basically Terra.
So they get some flower, you know, they get some attention more towards the end especially.
I mean the other big thing is at the end I guess it kind of makes sense.
I don't really want to read 60 Horus heresy books to get one drop of blood angels lore.
I'm gonna be honest.
Eli literally doing the fan-os thing like, all that for a drop of blood angels.
Truly.
Yeah, we're having there.
I wonder where he's gonna go.
Nothing wrong.
No, no.
He's definitely E or D. He's still a Primark at the end of the day.
Andy, Andy, hear me out.
McCann.
Okay.
Go, go, go.
Let's put E tier.
All right, hear me out.
If he's one of his things, if he doesn't, if he thinks you're looking down, he's good.
I feel like his starting point is he assumes you're looking down on him if you don't do
everything just like he does.
Even if you don't understand.
You could just be like, I don't want to understand what you're all about.
He's gonna take it as, nah, you think I'm stupid.
I hate you.
Also, you're never going to get, you're also never going to truly know him as a person.
Well, no, there was the example of, what's her name?
The Imperial commander who's like assigned to the White Scars in the, and she's like
a mortal lady.
Yeah.
And she's like, she wants to understand their ways.
And the Khan's actually very like patient with her.
And he's like, oh, well, this is how we do this.
And by the time they get to the Siege of Terror, they're like really good friends.
And there's a point where he's, he's died and she's like, ah, is it Elias?
And she's like, she's like an older lady, older lady.
And she's really sad about it.
And also she has a good bond with Shiban Khan and like all the other guys.
He puts the effort in.
He's just like, he doesn't expect people to know what he's about.
He's just like, I'm not going to pass you off, but it's like, it's going to be tricky.
Almost joined Horus.
Let's be honest.
Almost.
That's just because he's cool.
That's just because he's literally, he was, he was literally the only Primarch to be like,
oh, Suzuya.
I have no idea what's going on.
I'm going to, I'm going to, what's happening.
Hmm.
Let's have a look.
And even when Leeman's asked, like, come on, help me.
He's like, nah, I've got to wait.
I've got to figure out what, who, are you a heretic?
I don't know.
I think he, I think he.
Even the Shard of Magnus literally said like, it's 50-50, whether he joins Horus or not.
He's always going to be keeping part of himself from you.
You're never fully going to know this guy.
I think also even in the Alpha Legion part, they said like, if the Alpha Legion wasn't
like blockading them, he would have been found by Horus first and Horus would have corrupted
him.
So like there's a part of him which is like, he's so anti-emperor, which is ironic because
he's also like, oh, the Emperor might need.
Which is, which is just smart.
Yeah.
Cause all the Emperor company people.
Like, what do you do?
What do you do, mate?
And there's, and there's also that bit during Siege of Terra where he's chatting with Sanguin.
He's like, you can see the future.
Like if I go out there and I fight, will I die?
He's like, yeah.
It's like, will I save some civilians?
Yeah.
I'm going out.
Like he did the, he did the SpongeBob meme, you know, like.
Oh no, he's the goodest boy, but like.
He's still eating.
He's not perv.
I think he's just a bit, I think he's just, he's a bit too aloof.
I think if you did have a disagreement, I don't think he would like, try super hard
to hear you out.
His whole thing is that nobody really knows him.
That's like half of his character.
He wouldn't, he wouldn't be, he wouldn't be honest with you.
You can't communicate.
You'd be like, how are you feeling today?
He's like, yes.
He'll answer in some, some riddle, some wise riddle.
Adoptive dad.
Oh my gosh, put him in Ebro.
It's still fair.
Moving on.
It's not even a red flag, it's like an orange flag.
Like, oh, it's not gray.
It's like, it's yellow.
Korsaro Khan.
He seems like an okay guy.
He doesn't have an elder.
I've read him in like three books and he doesn't really have a character.
I'm not gonna lie.
He's a nice guy.
F-tier?
Helped an elder?
He's a real one.
He helped him escape from Oberyn.
Oberyn and, what's his name?
Zandar.
What's his name?
Zandar and Oberyn.
He fought, he honorably fought Shadow Sun, which is cool.
He's a cool guy.
I don't, he's, does he have much?
I've read, like I said, I've read three books with him in it and he's just really, he seems
like a very flat character.
I don't know.
Yeah.
The only thing is he doesn't have many books and it's all like, the great Khan is so badly
like like deformed by the Red Corsairs.
He's in command but he's like in a vat.
He like, he can't be a dreadnought, but he's in charge.
He's like, I'm going to make you like the master of the hunt so you can actually lead
the chapter.
I'm still the like great Khan, but I'm better suited being in this vat doing the coordinating.
You go out there and fight.
And he's like, yeah.
He kind of just seems to do stuff.
He just, he just fights.
That's kind of his whole thing.
His character floor is he hasn't got any like books for the most part.
I don't know if he deserves F tier just because he has low character development.
That seems pretty generous.
But every time he shows up he's like, oh, I'm going to fight honorably with Shadow Sun.
Also, my brother is so badly wounded.
He doesn't want to be a dreadnought.
Do you mind killing him for his honor?
And Shadow Sun does it.
I feel like I'm remembering something, which is like, it's the reason he wasn't also, he
didn't hand over chapter master to him.
Was it the Jubal Khan, the one in the vat?
He did say like, it's because you're rash or something.
Like there's a reason he wouldn't give it to him like properly.
So he's just a miniature version of the Khan at the end of the day.
He's just a white scar.
I think he should be an E tier.
And he's not a first captain.
He's like third or fourth probably.
Yeah, E tier because I feel like he can't be better than him.
Khan is the perfect white scar.
It doesn't make much sense for his less perfect sons to be better than him.
Yeah.
Above the Khan.
Sure.
He didn't adopt anyone.
No, it's because the end is the mother.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm being stupid.
I feel like he's a D tier.
I feel like he's an okay.
He's really not that bad.
But he's definitely got problems.
But look, I would hang out with Russ.
I think it'd be fun.
Look, the problems are that, you know, his job is the emperor's executioner.
You know, he's seen some stuff.
It's not great.
He's probably going to come home every couple nights with a haunted look on his face and
just go to bed.
And every time he goes out to party, it's going to be the most insane thing ever.
Yeah, there's a drink with the lads and come back in five months.
He's also pretending to be an idiot.
But he's actually an idiot pretending not to be an idiot.
Don't talk about my boy, Russ, like that.
There's some problems, but no one's perfect.
Such as like, you know, possibly the guys are good.
I was going to say possibly the only character to show anger and kindness by not killing
him during the what's it where it's him and the wolf is the battle of the wolf.
And he's like, I'm not going to like really fight you.
And I'm trying to reason with you.
I pity you, but you don't know what you're doing.
And then I was like, bro, you didn't win.
And then I was like, I beat his ass.
He's like, bro, you didn't win.
Russ is a real one.
It's as amazing as like when Dawn was like, are you going to stay and help defend Terra?
And he's like, nah, I'm going to go launch it at Horus.
And everyone's like, but he knows you're coming.
But yeah, those space walls are going to die.
And your legion might be massacred.
Yeah, I'm going to.
It was a complete waste of time, man.
But bro, bro's got almost won that fight.
He won that fight.
So he did also bring Horus back from like possession.
And then Horus was like, no, actually, I do want to kill the Empress.
He fumbled the bag too many times.
But if the flaw there is, you know, he loved his brother enough to not want to kill him
if he thought there was a chance.
I don't think that's a red flag.
Yeah, I think that's pretty nice.
I think D2 is fine.
D2 is fine.
Yeah, D2 is fine.
And he was the only Primarch who liked Lorgar as well, which is funny.
He's real for that.
He's so real for that.
Yeah, I just liked him.
Kind of.
Also, we got a lot of mania glazing in the chat room.
That whole event, I'm just you know that what that whole event was is a tried to kill Horus
before the siege syndrome that was the writers needed to fill.
GW needed to fill more book space before they could stop milking the heresy.
So why isn't Russ at the siege?
Put on the stupid hat, wolf boy.
To be fair, there is like a whole book was just like Horus sitting on the throne, like
constipated like, is he OK?
He's like, yeah, Russ stabbed him, he's not doing too well.
There's a whole book of him recovering from that.
If there was anyone who's going to beat Horus, I give it to I give it to Russ.
I'm not an idiot.
Wink wink.
Logan Grimara.
The goat.
He's walking around.
No, I think Azrael was his mistake was not trying harder to do with the exterminatus.
I think this guy's most pot armor is more hammer.
Yeah, bro, I get to carry around a corned axe and I fight Magnus the Red and I'm so
hot in Green Night's.
Yeah, I kill Green Night Grand Masters with one blow.
He's so goaded.
He's here because this dude literally said, why stop killing civilians?
That's cringe.
Yeah.
And then the Imperial was like, no.
And he was like, well, I'm just going to sit here.
And then he was like, I'm going to test this new axe I got from a demon.
This is pretty cool.
Look, look, the corned axe is really hard to get over.
It started laughing when he hit Magnus with it.
Let's not get rid of that shit, bro.
No, it's mine.
He's real.
It's too strong to get corrupted by chaos.
He's Logan Grimnahr.
He cannot lose.
Yeah, it is amusing.
Where was Kaldor Drago for Space Wolves?
Yeah, people like Kaldor Drago.
I love Kaldor Drago.
He's also the goat.
And it is also very amusing when he hits Magnus with the axe of Morkai and literally the plot
notes is just like, and then somewhere corn is just like going...
And that's like, that's actually canon.
Everyone's like, what the hell was that?
And just corn laughing.
My weapons have had a giggle before.
Not quite related, but did you know there's a fantasy character who got so lost he found
Magnus?
It's the book, the Libra Chaotica, it's written as if it's an in-universe text.
And the guy who was reading it or writing it got so goddamn lost in the warp.
He found Magnus the Red.
Wow.
And even made a comment about it.
Also the way you phrased that just made me think, someone knocking on your door like,
excuse me, have you heard of our Lord and Savior?
Magnus the Red?
Like what?
I found Magnus.
Ragnar Blackmane.
I read his six frickin' books one day.
Me and Andy have read them.
That's because every Ragnar Blackmane book means that William King wasn't writing a gothic
and phoenix book, so fuck that.
But he cooked though, that's the whole point.
They are good.
I wanted him to cook a different meal.
He also wrote the Solan Mercarius one, which no one will ever make a video on again other
than Andy.
Andy's done it and no one will do it again.
I haven't done the Mercarius one yet.
It's irrelevant.
Those are guard books, so he's allowed to cook that meal.
It's irrelevant.
There's no plot, all the characters are gone.
Young Logan.
I want more of that.
It's 10,000 years of history.
More of that should be happening regularly.
I think Ragnar goes between Kusaro and the Khan because Ragnar's actually like, he's
a sensible dude and he actually cares for people.
He's not space wolfy, space wolfy, if you know what I mean.
He genuinely actually has a compelling story.
He's good to people.
He actually cares for civilians and he fights to protect people.
He's kind of gone over his red flags.
He's very bullheadish and kind of lost the spirit of rust.
Oops.
He literally threw it into the warp.
Literally yeeted it into the warp.
Chucked it into Magnus' eye twice and beat him twice.
Thanks Colin.
Four thousand sunspans.
He's alright.
Yeah, he's pretty cool.
I think all the space wolf characters are really...
I think you'd enjoy that book Colin, his first book as well.
The space wolf character is a lot better than the space wolf chapter.
William King writes good.
Just for a contrast then, we've got Ulrich the Slayer.
All I'm going to say, biggest red flag.
He's in the fight during the second war of Armageddon, I think it is.
Angron sees him killing his berserkers and he salutes him.
Red flag.
That's not good.
You might have some angry stuff going on.
Older space wolf, known as the Slayer.
He's literally wearing a red flag.
Exactly.
Those are trying to die.
I'm pretty sure.
Is he on the same tier as Pertorabo?
Really?
He actually knows.
He's probably from Angron.
You don't salute from Angron.
He's like, I'm going to do that.
He has a huge red flag though, which is like, he even says in like the wolf time book, because
I mean, like he's saying to Logan Grimnod, yeah, let's go do that fight.
It'd be great.
And Logan's like, this guy's just trying to get us all killed because it'll be a great
story.
We should attack Gilman, why not?
He's like...
On Primaris the Cringe, we should shoot Gilman's fleet, why not?
Fuck the Primaris.
Okay, no Ulrich, no.
We can't do that.
He's comfortably next to Lionel Johnson there, I think.
Kyle hates the working class.
Why do people say this?
Mr. Tacticus, Njall Stormcaller, the Tempest that walks.
I haven't read any of his books.
I've got information like 404, nothing found in my brain for this guy.
You guys have fun.
And he's gonna have to choose this one.
All I'm saying, he went on a quest where he was looking in the warp, as you do, and then
one of the Thousand Sons from the Legion possessed part of his brain and lived in his brain for
a while.
So he went to Ulrich and he's like, I've kind of been a bit possessed.
There's like a Thousand Son in my brain.
And then he went to Prospero with Ayak and a bunch of other guys.
He went to Lucas.
Lucas also dunked on Magnus, so that's like five space wolves that have beaten Magnus
Red in battle now.
And yeah, he's just kind of like, oh, I actually set to rest this Ancient Thousand Sons.
I found the Thirteenth Company.
I'm pretty cool.
I'm a Rune Priest.
Thousand Sons might have a worse track record than the Eldar.
Yeah, that's crazy.
I'm ready for Magnus so badly though.
I mean, see, surely, because he's not that, he's honest with you.
He's going to stick by you, but he also will not cry when anybody passes away.
And if you mess up the wrong way, he's going to disown you as your husband.
Also it's like, look, you're going to see him like he's had a bad day.
He walks home, he puts on the pain glove.
That's great.
Not a good look.
He's going to try to get you to wear the pain glove too.
Yeah, that too.
And for those who don't know in the viewership, it's not a glove.
It's like a bodysuit.
Yeah, it's like called glove.
It's like, there's some way that the register should properly explain it.
Not great for me.
It's a whole thing.
It's a contraption.
He puts on the contraption.
I think he's got almost as many problems as Pro Traba.
I'm not going to lie.
Yeah, but they're all like infinitely less pronounced and consistent.
It's a lot of the same stuff, but Dorn's not going to tell you, hey, you and nine of your
friends pick one of you to die.
I mean, Irene Cage, he pretty much did that.
Yeah, but that was him and his equally deranged sons also wanting to go to that.
Hear me out.
Dorn has a room that you're not allowed in.
It's always locked and he says you're never allowed in that room.
That's the kind of guy Dorn is.
He'll have a room or a closet, which is like there's something dark in there and you're
not allowed to see it.
I think he's pretty much comfy right there.
Also I love how like Korn was trying to tempt him during the end of Medef.
He's like, come on, be evil.
He's like, no, you're really angry outside, aren't you?
40,000 years of military history to himself the entire time.
To keep himself safe, godspeed Rogel Dorn.
Let's recite the Bible of Agincourt on repeat.
Yeah, Korn joined me and he's just reading the art of war aloud to himself.
All right, man.
Yeah, the chat wants you to turn up your mic, Andy.
Okay, that's nice.
I think he's fine there.
He's fine.
Quantum Cthulhu, you're not wrong, but that's not Rogel Dorn telling me to do it.
So what's your point?
Siegismund.
He's got to be, at least to be.
He's got to be next to Asriel.
Yeah, I don't think any Black Templar could make it below B tier.
He shocked Karn.
Karn got a vision of the future as a coronate warrior and was afraid of what Siegismund's
bastard children were going to do to the galaxy.
He hates people so much he's gone beyond anger and he's calm again.
Like that's the level I'm like.
I'm calm, I'm just going to annihilate.
I just want to talk to him.
I just want to shoot him.
You know what, he just reminds me of that scene in Night's Oral Republic 2 where you're in
one of the Sith temples and they're just like, apotheous death, apotheous death, and then
they will turn on you.
Like yeah, he doesn't even feel any emotions, he's just like, I must kill you because that's
the thing to do.
And Korn's bricking it.
A guy who solos Karn in under one paragraph, I'd be pretty scared of that guy.
Yeah.
Emotionally unavailable, cripplingly as well.
Like obviously loses but holds up to full grip.
Like isn't turned into a smear on the spot.
You know that's a scary dude.
Before we get too far, we did have a donation I think by Bean if we're able to get that
one, just because it was relevant on the characters.
Set it up Andy.
Bean.
Guys, this is my OC Logan Grimnall.
He fights the Inquisition and Grey Knights and also has a Chaos weapon that can't corrupt
him because he's so cool.
That's a great OC thing for the $5.
Yeah, Ultramarines only for that please.
They deserve it.
This one is hellbrekt.
Hellbrekt's an OK guy, but he will send you to your death without flinching.
I'd put him like right behind Sigismund.
Yeah, it's like again, you know, hero of Hell's Reach shit, but it's also like he's still
a Black Templar.
Like you're not a Black Templar if there's not some deep-seated issues.
I think I'd put him in with Valdor.
It's very Valdor in terms of like, he's like, I don't want to always do these things, but
I just will on the spot.
My thing is though, it's like he was obviously recruited and inducted into the Black Templars.
You're not like that if you don't have some like bad tendencies.
Yeah, let alone leading them.
Yeah, it's like again, he has his moments.
He's not as bad as, you know, a lot of people.
Not good.
Very not good.
What about that?
And he has that like band that I think is like stapled into his scalp like that.
It's not a tiara, but it's just like that band that's around and says like, that doesn't
look like it comes off to me.
Something wrong there.
He's a cellar.
We know we're not getting into it.
My favorite character.
Although I say model from 1990.
Grimaldus of the Black Templars.
I would, I mean, he's obviously a Black Templar.
That's a problem.
Yeah.
Same as, same as.
Yeah.
He's more zealous because he's a chaplain.
Grimaldus actually, like he's had a, he's had a.
I don't.
I think Valdor's whole thing is like what it's like Valdor's red flag is he's a concrete
block of a human being.
There's nothing.
There's loyalty to the emperor and standing around.
To be fair.
Yeah, but Grimaldus' red flags are brighter.
The thing is, there is that point he's a bit short with a, like a communications officer
and he says sorry afterwards.
I also like that he tries to put the effort in, which is like, Andre's just like, ah,
there's this lady and I really like her and I want to marry her.
And he's just like, yes, good.
He's like, he's trying, but he doesn't care that much, but he's putting the effort in
at least.
Forgive me for living while you all lie cold and still.
Poor dude.
Do you see that?
Are you as insulted as I am?
Do you know me?
It's like, huh?
No, no, no, no, no.
No, actually.
Who are you?
Fucking shout.
Oh, hello.
There is another.
I'm just going to get a refund.
We can move on.
We don't need to sit out.
Only if he saw in the future that he did that to you, to be fair.
If he didn't.
If he doesn't see himself skinning you, then he's just likely to do it.
Unless he saw it.
I just feel sorry for the guy he's on a ship with for months and then he's like, I'm only
taking bits of him away at a time.
He's fine.
He's like, please don't hurt me.
So I'm going to take the hand off.
You're going to build you a replacement.
There's no traffic.
So you cross the crosswalk, even though it, you know, the hand is there.
You're dead.
You're not done.
Skinless in the middle of the road, hanging up on the streetlight.
So you're going to blink and then your skin has, you've been loved.
You know, I joke, you know what someone earlier running on all fours, because we're immediately
running on all fours.
You know, that movie Split.
Yeah.
Thing is, you know, it's also the element of like, he's, he's like the, the poster
boy for like girls only want one thing is a shitty guy.
It's like, yeah, it's that guy, especially with all the girls who like night flows.
It's like, what do you mean he's sexy?
It doesn't wash his hair.
What's going on?
Covered in blood.
Who is this?
Who are you?
Jago Sevatarian.
Another goat, but I've only read like one or two books with him.
He will be an A-tif because he's turned it around slightly.
He does say like, I will serve justice, but he, he there's, there is skin on his arm.
He's still obsessed.
Although he does, he does have that bit though, when he goes in the dark angels flagship and
he kills the chief astropath cause he's abusing one of his staff.
That's the only book I've read with him.
He's just like, put me back in jail.
I think that's why he avoids S tier.
He's still a nightlord.
Like if you're, if you're in the nightlords, it's a tier minimum.
Yeah.
He also does a coup to take over the atramenta and he's like, here's my best friend.
And it's like the guy, the guy from the Raven guard, Alistair Rochelle whose tongue he cut
out so he couldn't object.
And he's just there like, and that's his character.
Does he smiles eerily in the back?
He tortured another space Marine to the point of loyalty.
So that's crazy.
Yes.
A Raven guard.
Yeah.
Talos.
I haven't read his books.
I someday, someday I'll get through that trilogy.
It kind of is, he's just slightly worse than Sevatar because Sevatar is somewhat self analyzing
and then he changed a little bit.
Talos is like, I know we're pieces of shit, but let's die like that.
Commit to the bit.
Well, if I can say his worst action, which is it builds up.
Killing Genesis chapter Marines.
Yeah.
Well, how dare you.
How dare you.
They almost, only one of them almost kills all of the first claw until I'll have the
child like, all right, let's do all it.
And then the worst thing Talos did is he kidnapped, they tortured an entire planet, kidnapped
every navigator slash anyone who was psychically gifted.
And then they made them, torture them to the near point of death, made them stare into
the navigator's eyes.
So their brain screened violently into the wall, into the wall, which created a ripple
that cut off millions of worlds and millions of people died.
Kind of a, yeah.
Yeah.
Buddy didn't, he also realized he was a terrible person.
So sanguine.
I mean, yes.
Is he only F tier?
Is he that really nice of a guy?
He's a good boy.
Again, I've only read 20 out of 40 stupid books.
For when he goes into a blood rage and paints the wall with him.
Surely he's not F. He's still F.
He's never killed.
He's the sniff sniff.
Are you ovulating?
Every day.
I check every day.
No, no.
Run that back.
Or he's always going to be that time of the month and he's going to start acting weird.
I can't believe that.
All I'm saying is every night before I go to bed, I put aside my picture of the car
and where I kiss it.
And then I have the picture of sanguineous and I cry.
Listen, listen, listen.
Sanguineous is the only man who can make grown men cry.
Okay.
Yeah.
I cried with happiness when he finally fucking died.
Colin.
Colin is now removed.
He's so based.
From the rest of the stream.
I'm not having this.
Colin was real for that.
Look.
We have some donations, I think, as well.
Just quickly.
Oh, I saw one of these donations, by the way.
I'm about to have words with one of them.
Okay.
Nicknack3587, they were the $5.
Fabius sold a clone of Fulgrim.
Fulgrim, the literal guy, Eli would take a bullet for.
That's real.
Defending the man who crushed Fulgrim's redemption, WTF.
Yeah, I'm not seeing as a great guy.
He's still in A tier.
That's the second worst tier.
Yeah, you.
Yeah, you, Matt Eckhart.
I have you as an Illinoisan like Colin, not enjoying the Lord might be the biggest riffle.
You're insane.
The Lord is a plague on this planet.
It is disgusting.
It is like Piphas's piss.
Okay, disappear.
That's a great drink name, by the way.
The Lord, oh.
Yeah, Piphas is, yeah, Yeojo for 10 bucks.
Don't forget that after that slave took care of Curse, endured his abuse and torture on
the ship.
Then after, made to the planet, oh, make to the planet, Curse gives him to all favorite
nightlords, Talos and the gang.
Did I read that right?
You mean, yeah, you extrapolate the idea.
Yeah, he did, he just, like, I'm not gonna kill you, because I don't mind you and you're
okay and then immediately like, gets clapped back.
Yeah, there's some problems with the-
He's just like, I didn't mean it, I didn't mean it, I'm sorry, let me make you a leg
to replace the one I cut off, it's fine.
And by the end of it he's just like, not having a good time.
Oh.
Shut the fuck up.
Bean with a five.
Thank you.
Do you think Conrad said, well guys, I guess that's it, please let's cut his head off.
No, he actually said, she's right behind me, isn't she?
Like, just full Marvel movie.
He just went, well, that's all folks.
That is crazy in the book where like, a literal human is running with a severed Primark head.
It is not.
Yeah.
Oh, Colin, do you want to say this one?
Donkey Man, you say, with a tenner, Colin and I painted a space wolf venerable dreadnought
as a dwarf slayer.
I might need to take the Slayer oath for this abomination.
Well, if you look at it this way, you're trying to improve a flawed Oongi product by making
it properly dwarfy.
All right.
He does very much.
Perfect.
I'll F-tear Dante.
Dante.
What?
You don't want to marry the guy who just wants to die?
First date.
What are your hobbies?
I'm trying to kill myself.
I'm really sad.
Say one bad thing about his personality.
He wants to kill himself.
I think he's going to the Netherlands where they have those pods.
You know those pods that, you know, like can end everything and give me some peace?
What are you going to do, Zane?
What are you like?
I'm going to wallow.
This is the one-word universe.
I'm depressed with him.
I'm here.
He's not F-tear.
That's crazy.
He's such a good boy.
He cares for people.
Oh.
He wants to die.
That's not a good trait of a human.
Warhammer fans will never get over the blood angels glazing allegations.
That's all there is.
Maybe Ethan.
Ethan.
He deserves date here, to be honest.
It's all a state of mind.
All I'm saying is Dante's like a thousand years old.
Ulrich is almost eight.
I think he's 800.
Like the difference is Ulrich, they're going, I ain't hear no bell.
And Dante's like, please ring the bell.
Please ring the bell.
Ulrich's raising her own.
It's 200 years.
He is, but he's not going out without a fight.
Dante's 1500 years old.
He's 1500.
He's always old.
You're going to want to go on your honeymoon with him.
And instead of taking a plane across the Atlantic Ocean, he's going to want to take a canoe
just in case.
So he might die on the way there.
Really open for a tidal wave to kill him.
Dante never says like, he keeps it in and he's never, he's never let's people show it.
Only person who's ever guessed that he's ready to go is Mephisto.
That's another red flag.
But when he's with you, he'll make sure you had a good time.
What's that Explorer guy?
He's just like, I may be gone for a while.
And he goes out into the wilderness.
Like that's Dante.
Like, where's he gone?
Ah, he's gone for a walk.
What in the blizzard?
She's not.
If I can eat it, eat it.
It is D tier.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna go nuts.
It hides his emotions from you.
If you put it in D tier, I'm gonna help.
I'm ready to go for a piss.
Go for it.
I'll let Hal take the reins here.
Perfect time.
This guy's a B tier.
He can't be S tier, surely.
The edgiest guy who's literally covered in red isn't a red flag.
Oh, I forgot about that part.
Yeah.
I was thinking more of like...
Hotel Transylvania fucking guy.
What's going on?
I was more like, ah, I am the fiston.
Embodiment of death.
He might be a red flag.
He doesn't, like, he can't be worse than anyone else in A tier though.
Like, he doesn't kill people for fun.
He's just a bit creepy.
Didn't Siemch basically just say they're like, oh, we did this as like an experiment
to see if we could corrupt the blood angels from within.
So we gave you all these powers.
So like, kind of a bad thing.
No, Siemch...
Oh, Siemch lies anyway.
I think maybe bottom of A.
Is that what he does after?
That's fine with me.
I couldn't imagine S tier.
Like, he's slightly like Fulgrim.
It would be like, it would be expected if something bad went wrong with Mephissin.
I would be caught by surprise.
And then, but then I knew something was gonna happen.
This hard is in the right place.
He even adopted a wrath on the ready and he was just like, I'm gonna teach you how to
not die because I think you're pretty cool.
He's like, cool.
He's nice to people as well.
He actually is.
People were just like, when you're around him, you literally feel like you want to throw
up because he's hot topic, the person.
He's like that office meme of just like you tell you go, Jesus, like that.
It's like, just walked up and scares you.
How does creamed it?
Oh, Ferris Manus.
Yeah, he's better than Fulgrim.
Surely.
He's better than Fulgrim.
Okay, I get he's he's better than Fulgrim now.
Fulgrim was better than him for half of his other life.
So I think I think he's overall saying he kind of damped his entire chapter to like
eternal body dysmorphia of like, I need to cut this off.
I need to cut this off.
I need more spatulas.
Like what's going on, Mr. Inspector Gadget looking space marines?
Colin, do you want to weigh in Ferris Manus?
Red flags.
He's not a walking red flag.
That's like the best worst thing.
That's that at all.
Come on.
He can be above.
He doesn't have to be worse.
The first thing he's going to say to you is what's your bench PR.
And if it's not a high enough number, you're done in his eyes.
That's it.
He's like nicer.
He's like nicer per travel.
I don't know.
I think travel isn't beats here.
I feel like he's the same as you know, I'm pretty sure I wasn't pretty sure I wasn't
beat here.
Ferris Manage.
He's got to be.
Yeah, beat here.
It can't be worse than the lion.
The lion will backhand your head off.
The lie.
I don't think the line is quite as angry and crazy as Ferris.
I think Ferris is more violent.
I don't know if Ferris Manus.
Yeah, that's the other thing.
He says all I'm saying Ferris probably backhanded dozens of his children.
He just did it behind closed doors.
There's even the bit where his champion, I think it's Foth fights Sigismund in a duel
in his book.
And there's a bit where he loses and he's just like, you're coming with me.
And we never hear about the guy again.
I'm just saying maybe that was the last day he served the chapter.
I'm just saying maybe he became a servitor.
What happened?
You didn't have the augmatic hand last I saw you.
I fell down some stairs.
In his favour, slightly redeeming factor, he gets on well before the whole the draw.
He actually has like the best friendship with Fulgrim to the point in which Pertorabo says
I don't get it.
And he literally laughs at Pertorabo saying this dude doesn't have friends.
He was nice to he was nice to Fulgrim.
I don't know if he was really nice to anybody else though.
Well, he liked him as well.
Or Gilman liked him.
And then Ferris kind of went.
Gilman respected his like martial skill and his abilities as a general not that they were
friends.
He said he missed Ferris the most.
Yeah he really wanted to be his friend but Ferris is just there like that Homelander
meme he just be he look at Gilman just go.
That's how he treated Gilman.
Then I will rephrase my sentence.
Bro refused to be friends with Gilman.
Come on now.
He didn't want to do paperwork at all.
The dude doesn't want to be a monster.
Wow what a what a crime.
Come on how is.
Let's keep it going.
I think BTU is fit.
You know how you're away with Dante.
All right.
Worse.
I'll just start next to you shortly.
I'm just saying if you're if you're like nickname is the maimed red flag.
This is the this is the red talents guy right.
That's who he is.
Yeah.
This guy kills his own men does he not.
Yeah.
He's surely as to you.
Yeah.
I mean I still think Jeffrey Dahmer the space the more I look at this the Emperor should
be freaking S tier at this point.
Come on.
Is the Emperor really better than the guy because the ones above us more sadistic.
Okay.
Well this is what I'm up there.
Come on.
Put him in a tier because he had a tiny moment in his life where he would have been a great
a great.
Yeah.
But otherwise it just didn't last that long.
Those in the pod and he could have been a great kid.
But then he did.
Yeah.
But Ingram was nice.
That was nice basically until he was like a cool guy and then he nails in brain.
Yeah.
One moment.
If you put nails in everyone else's brain I'm sure they'd act up a lot as well.
Yeah it's not great.
Yeah.
Like like hers never had a good time in his life.
Neither did most of the S tier guys.
So like I think Ingram deserves a.
That's fair.
The betray the betrayer the betrayer.
Yeah.
Why do we need to say more than just his name.
Yeah.
You know and you know the origin of that right.
Yeah.
Scalops.
Oh yeah.
It's freezing out there.
You're going to go out there.
You're going to kill the Emperor's children.
It's too cold.
Who wants to die.
Let me warm you up assholes.
You'll stay warm if you're covered in warm blood.
That's how you do it.
He's real but also a red flag.
I mean his name.
His name.
Yeah.
If we're going by the same standards though he was an OK guy before the nails as well.
Lucius was worse.
Yeah.
Lucy kind of always a jerk.
Look I'm just saying as a red flag it's I know it's so simple just that his name the
surface level if your nickname is the betrayer.
John the betrayer.
And that's post-heresy as well as like you went through all the heresy and then you got
called the betrayer.
Betrayer of friendship.
That's a liar.
Scoundrel.
Khan always aiming for the high school.
Jake the super big dickhead.
I think we have like two more donations.
That's all right.
I think you have two more.
Don't come in here.
We need a howl tip.
Between A and ass.
Between the ass.
Good God.
You're so quick with it too.
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Ferris has no head.
What is a bigger red flag?
Yeah no head game.
Truly.
You can turn him into a bong though.
Errod Vaughan the Riven Hound also killed his own men but because they weren't doing
what he was telling them.
He was the black dog.
He was a black shield.
Very angry.
Really nice 30k model by the way.
Lots of Khan conversions from that model.
Really good.
Have you seen the new Raven Guard guy the crow?
He's got a new one the last few days.
That looks good.
But yes this guy he killed his own men.
They were all traitor marines who were loyal-ish.
There was one point they tried to mutiny and he was like smashing face.
He's dead.
Dead.
Anyone else?
And then they went.
And that's kind of how he commanded people.
Not a good guy.
And when asked why are you fighting?
I just really am angry.
I am.
I want to kill Horus.
Fair enough.
Is he just is he but yeah surely what is Pilgrim worse?
If our red talon friend in the is an S tier I feel like this fella should probably be
around the same place that he is.
That's a good point I think because Pertorabba kind of did the same thing kill his own men
but then it was for a reason.
And to be fair when they asked I think when Malkador asked him like do your men's lives
mean nothing is like they don't mean anything if we can kill Horus I'll kill them all if
we kill Horus.
Fair enough.
So basically the Emperor.
Who should be an S tier?
I think between Pertorabba and Ferris surely.
That's a good spot.
S tier is too much.
And he was also probably a Thunder Warrior so he's also probably a lot of atrocities back
then.
He's a big boy.
Giliman.
I knew that was coming.
I don't think any Primarch should be an F tier.
None of them should.
Pertorabba is a good boy.
I would say like Giliman has there's not right what do I think of him having it what's his
red flag?
He's gonna be with work.
He's gonna be working 9am to 9pm.
Oh god.
I'll forbid how many of us have done that before.
He's gonna do it every day.
He's married to his job before anything else.
The job is saving the entire existence.
It's still a red flag.
He cares about his red flag.
Spend more time with me honey.
Oh no we lost half the Emperor.
What is your relationship like Hal?
Also, Gaffer Collin.
Eli put it best.
Holy shit.
What's going on over there man?
All I'd like to add is he also has a good relationship with his mom and dad and his
adoptive dad.
From what I've gotten from Hal so far is that hiding your emotions from your significant
other and being a workaholic is top tier relationship advice.
Hal's never seen a woman.
I couldn't ask Gilliman because he would literally tell me like would you want to spend
more time?
Yes I'd love to spend more time with you Mr. Gilliman and then he would like I can do
but this is the consequence of doing that and that's too high stakes honestly.
You shouldn't date him.
That's a red flag.
You shouldn't date him.
Yeah it's one red flag though.
He was a good son.
He was a really good dad.
Every time he interacts with his kids he's not batting their heads off like the lion.
He's not killing one out of ten like Pertorado.
He's like do you want a laurel of victory?
You deserve a laurel of victory.
You're a good boy.
Or even like a bit of a scallywag like Aeonid Thea like have you been in my armory?
Oh you.
Don't do it again.
But you were a good boy.
You were a good boy.
Worked under pressure.
Good boy.
Shall I make another empire?
Why not?
I'm Gilliman.
He's pretty green flags.
He's funny as well.
He's a nice guy.
E tier is a nice person.
E tier.
Like very good place to be.
No I agree I was like he's only got one red flag really compared to so many green flags
that I just like I'm seeing it as like a whole something.
I'm like he's a bundle of green flags.
Yeah but the red flag is you're going to see him once a week.
Yeah it's pretty.
It would not be a good relationship.
Or the other thing to mention when he's like in the vacuum of space like pummeling word
bearers like you get him angry.
It's not going to go well.
It's a high breaking point but if you reach it oh boy.
Yeah and you're never going to beat this guy in an argument ever.
No okay maybe lower him down a little bit more.
Can you imagine how annoying hearing the words theoretical and practical would get after
being with this guy for a decade.
Although you're wrong about everything in your life.
Every single date you're going out to he's going to bring up the spreadsheet and say
theoretical you want x food practical we go to this place.
Although to be fair sparring partners Lord Sola Leontas did quite good.
He's just like actually mate you're not mortal you're missing like variables you don't understand
what it's like to be like a regular guy.
Actually I disagree and he's like oh okay.
I mean he could be charming with it though like theoretical he want to spread them cheeks
practical grabs your hand.
This is your entire life of here all the time.
It will get it will get old.
Yeah I know I'm just I'm too strong for Gilliman honestly.
I think Winnie's the speedy here bro this is this is crazy.
Yeah I'm looking at it too.
No he's staying there.
F tier F tier F tier F tier F tier.
Oh damn you guys.
He's flawless he's flawless.
There's nothing wrong with him.
I'm the one who's delusional.
Brief me brief me why.
Let's go and get the picture of Marnie's Calgar shitting.
I'm afraid yeah I got no work on it.
God yeah but he's Marnie's Calgar.
Listen Hal how many Marvel comics do you have about yourself?
You know if he was put in if he was put in a relationship he's a Matt Ward character
he's gonna be the best husband ever created.
The delusion.
I didn't see the truth.
I just realized one red flag with Sanguineous he's always gonna be like he's always too
good for you.
He's just way too good for you.
You would be feeling inadequate.
Yeah he's like he's pricier than any woman you've ever met as well.
Oh man I can't believe Calgar is like that.
F tier F tier F tier F tier.
It is I Cato Sicarius.
Another flawless character another flawless win.
Can we put him in F tier for a foot through towel woman.
I was gonna say Eli you're gonna permit the stomping on...
It's a good seed.
I love how with those like serious concerns.
His plot armor is so strong he cannot go above F tier.
Serious mature concern about the Gilliman comments but then as soon as Cato Sicarius
comes up.
This guy flies jump pack straight forwards into fusion blasters and pulse rifles and
he's unscathed he one shots monoliths he walks up to it and puts a melta bomb on it because
he's Cato Sicarius.
He vortexes.
He vortexes when he needs a katana as well.
Let's not forget he vortexes when he needs a katana.
He cannot lose.
He has to be F tier.
Oh my god.
I want a cereal with him.
It's the law of nature for him to win so surely he must win this.
Introducing Cato Crunch, the new cereal from Cato Sicarius.
And they're all like skull shaped, it's like crunch.
Mmm.
He murders civilians bro, what are we talking about?
But in a fun way, in a quirky fun way.
He's curious, he can't be wrong.
Yeah.
Doesn't count if there's xenon.
How is he doing failing armour?
This is nuts.
This is actually nuts.
Just let the plot armour exist bro.
Oh my god.
Uriel Ventress is that?
Uriel Ventress.
I mean he's just too much of a good boy in terms of like, I don't think he's actually
interesting to talk to.
But he's a good guy.
I'm silly.
Silly Billy.
He's not got red flags though.
There's green on his armour, I don't like it.
I know it's a literal green flag but bad, no green.
He's technically nicer than...
He hates grass.
Cato.
Oh god.
No I like grass, I don't like green on the Ultramarine, it's icky.
I don't know anything about Ventress really.
Well he's super nice.
Green flag, he did destroy the Democulaba.
Does he in space mean like cried?
After being in it.
I think he actually cried for like other humans and I think he's the only space...
For the weird flesh goop people, I don't remember the name.
The un-fleshed, he had to kill the lord of the un-fleshed and he's like, did you die
serve the emperor well?
And he's like got the bolt pissed at the back of his head and he's like, yeah you did.
It's a real Lenny Lenny moment isn't it?
I think of the big of the mice flesh monster man.
Yeah.
He's thinking of the pet in the mind, pet in the things, pet in the rabbits.
Who's next?
We can't leave him there.
Put him wherever you want, I'm indifferent.
He's slightly nice, he's nicer than Giliman.
It's nicer than Cato.
He doesn't curb something the time he talks to them.
Cato can't lose.
If Cato Sakari has killed someone, they inherently deserve him.
Okay.
I should hear a knuckle in Colin's door.
Cato Sakari is going to be there.
Lieutenant Titus.
Oh, he's being tiered.
He might be tainted by chaos.
No, he's not tainted by chaos, he has no communication skills.
He's going to plan your entire wedding and it's going to be the most stressful time of
your life because he's not going to tell you anything.
And then finally the day happens and you're wondering what happens and he tells you everything
in the last five minutes and oh, it all makes sense now.
He has won't tell youism.
He's not worse than hellbred.
Leandrus refused to ask him any questions and then when he got to actual people that
would routinely ask him, hey man, explain yourself, let's hear you out.
We're willing to hear you out, what do you got?
Just imagining the wedding.
He's still emotionally not there.
He's never going to open up to you.
I was saying this video creator wanted, surely.
Put him higher in seat here, there's problems.
More than batting off your son's head.
It's not my kid.
He might be like, he's not the most emotionally available, but like when you're having a tough
day he'll put his hand on your shoulder.
And that's it.
And then he'll stare at you until you feel better.
I don't know what you're thinking, but like, I don't think anyone else really on this
list would do more than that.
He's an ultramarine so he automatically is somewhat okay.
You two are nuts.
That's because Russ is already handing you a beer to make you feel better.
Yeah, Russ will give you a stein of beer and the car will give you some milk.
Mortarian and Estier right away.
Was he ever a nice guy?
He had a joke he sighed when he was on Bob because he tried to do the right thing at
first and then he's just like, yeah, I'm a Mortarian.
He's incredibly bitter about existence.
And you know, the parents who have kids that control them, that's an issue.
And Mortarian has that issue for sure.
That's how he turned into a demon primarch.
All right, look, this is the most surface level thing.
I don't care.
If I cannot be by you without gagging, it's not gonna work out.
It's not gonna work out.
If you triple anytime you're near your partner.
No, it's not tripling because I'm not busting.
If I look at you and the vomit starts rising out of my stomach, that's it.
It's over.
It's gonna be really hard to get him off the couch.
When I'm around Mortarian I'm not busting.
I'm not.
Was it Orson Welles who said something about like, there's nothing people dislike more
than a man who smells.
Like, doesn't matter if he's a good man.
Doesn't matter if he smells.
This Mortarian will not get a job.
He will lay on the couch for eons.
Get a job.
I did liberation once.
Yeah, that was 20 years ago, mate.
Go get a real job.
Complain about it.
And I had to help.
Hey, the man is sticking it to him.
He doesn't want to serve the man.
Also the guy for a lark.
Sorry.
He what?
I was gonna say for a lark he also drank poison chalices with his sons.
Like, I bet I can drink this and I won't die.
Like, cool down.
That's not good.
Not great.
He's just horrible to be around.
Who's next?
Next is Typhus, the man named after a disease.
I'm gonna put him there.
Yeah, that's awesome.
That's right up there with the betrayer.
Hi, this is friend Typhus.
Also, have you met Cancer?
Like great.
And his best friend, venereal disease.
Typhoid Mary looking ass.
He's made of bees.
Also, again, the smell.
Yeah.
Ain't a lot of bugs.
The diarrhea concern for me.
You know some of the brown on his armor is not rust.
And also he can telepathically like flat pack you while you have to smell his stench, which
is not great.
And he's made of bees.
Which is not good.
I put him eight years.
No, he is pleasant to be around.
He talks and stuff.
You know, he's smart.
Listen, he wouldn't be.
Magnus is probably an A tier as well.
He only respects Primarchs.
He only respects people who have psychic powers.
He's going to betray you.
He thinks he's a smart being in the room.
And he literally like contradicts himself all the time.
If he leaves, if he left the door unlocked and somebody came into your house and started
to try to kill you, he'd be like, oh, this is all my fault.
I'm going to let you die now.
And then then they'll shoot you in the head.
And then he'll do something about it.
He thought the entire horrors heresy was about him.
Yeah.
Also, I was even just working on my war band series.
I did the Blades of Magnus.
They were like the guys who guarded the Tower of Prospero, his quarters.
In secret, they tried to like sever his connection to Seanch.
And he found out.
So as repayment, he mind wiped them all and made them like automatons to guard his throne
room on the planet of sorcerers.
Like, oh, nice one, Magnus.
Again proving you're the worst person in the world.
There's one chart of his soul that is good though, correct?
And he's not with us.
And it became a great night, baby.
I think he's A tier.
No, because like he has one.
He hasn't like all his redeeming things are so overshadowed by the fact that he doesn't
actually have any redeeming factors.
Really?
Magnus is not curse.
If nothing else, I'm not going to walk up to Magnus and where'd my skin go?
I think he deserves A tier.
Maybe slightly.
Top of A tier maybe.
But I don't think he's that much worse than Magnus.
I don't think he's that much worse than Magnus.
You were driving a car and then let's just say someone else was driving that car and
they ran into your car.
He's blaming the car manufacturer.
He's blaming the space.
He's still A tier though.
He's still better than Curse.
I know he's worse than Curse.
And also the man saw the routes coming.
He knew they were going to slaughter his entire population and he went, nah, let him.
And one of his sons was like, Izzikar's like, bruh, we found out the space wars are coming
to kill us all.
Maybe we should put the shields up.
And he went, lick my balls.
And just blew him up.
Rorschach style.
Like, dude, you're not making me like you.
He literally ruined all of humanity's future.
Well, it was a shit plan by the Emperor anyways.
And it's just annoying that he couldn't commit to even being like, I'm going to let them
kill us because we're bad.
And then right at the last minute when he was in genuine danger, he went, actually,
he went to reverse cause like, you're the worst Magnus.
Blowing up the web.
Blowing up the web with a net positive for humanity.
Interesting.
Like, I only think.
Oh yeah.
Where are we going to move?
Oh, we're the dark elder.
Fucking phenomenal planning dog.
And all I'm going to say in comparison to Curse, at least Curse had the decency to
die.
Magnus didn't.
I still think he's top of S. He's bottom of S.
He has redeemable powers.
He's worse than Curse.
Oh my God.
You know what?
He's one above the Emperor.
One above the Emperor.
Yeah, I like that.
I like that.
Fine.
I don't agree.
He's not worse than Curse.
You're just wrong.
Yeah, that is crazy.
He did everything worse than Curse.
One of these days we'll get through a tier list without yelling at each other.
Today is not the day.
Aramon.
He's top of A tier.
He's the dark elder.
But he needs to go below Mephiston.
And you'll hear me on this one.
Being near Aramon, he's kind of pleasant.
And you actually have a good time with him.
But you will end up divorced and in the long term you are cursed.
Being around him is like being in a slow poison.
Because eventually some big Cthulhu MF will ruin your life.
Because he's just messing with him.
I've also got something I want to throw at you.
He's pretty delusional, right?
I forget.
Yeah, incredibly.
One he thinks he's getting into the black library ever, but we can move on from that.
I think he got in and then he got kicked out.
He got in.
He stole some mats.
He stole mats.
Fair enough.
I can't knock him because the dude doesn't give up.
He's trying to save people.
He doesn't give up.
He's also willing to glass planets to save like a few hundred people.
I forget who said it, but there's a line where he's like, hey, he thinks he's totally unchanged
by the warp.
I've seen the screaming emptiness where his face was.
He has a massive writhing eyes where his face was.
He's pretty delusional.
So with that in mind, I think Aramon is also the kind of person who would invest all of
your life savings into a shit coin.
Because he thinks for real, bro, this is going to take off.
He's crypto, bro.
It's going to go to the moon, bro.
It's going to go to the moon.
He's going to read the future, invest in the perfect shit coin, and then a harlequin is
going to yank him around by the ear and ruin it all.
The thing was, how, with your analogy of him like, oh, we'll go out and we'll have a good
time, but he'll ruin your life.
He wouldn't just ruin your life.
He'd make your family destitute.
He'd make your relatives in fight.
And also the local orphanage would burn down with all people inside perishing.
That's the Aramon method.
Zeke is permanently messing with this guy.
The orphanage thing is also entirely unrelated, yet somehow wouldn't have happened if he wasn't
there.
I'm just real sorry for him, honestly.
He tried to fix it.
Yeah, but he caused me one.
No, no.
Put him below the night, Lord.
Put him below fucking town.
Yeah, I agree with that.
That's Avatar.
He made a hundred thousand of his brothers turn into dust men.
Yeah, I think that's how it's been.
He's nice.
He's pleasant.
I know I'm repeating myself.
Skincape, skincape, skincape.
I'm telling you skin is standard.
One skincape.
Aramon genuinely cares about his brother.
You don't get to have any amount of skincapes more than zero and not have...
All I'm saying is, what's worse, making a skincape out of someone or taking one of your
brothers and telling him that you're going to erase every iota of his being, replace
him with an automaton and he'll serve with him forever, not knowing that your mind's
going to work.
That wasn't the plan though.
It went wrong.
That's pretty bad.
Pretty bad.
That's because he sucks and his rubric didn't work.
Yeah, this is after.
He was like, oh, you do as I say.
And then he's like, oh, you failed me.
I'm going to wipe your memory intentionally and you're going to serve me forever.
And you won't even know because you won't have a brain anymore.
No, that's not how I'm going to be with Aramon when.
Skincapes are bad.
No, no, no.
This is Sanak.
Oh, I'm being gaslit.
Sanak.
I read those books.
Do you think anyone's going to gaslit with his arm?
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Speaking of gaslighting.
This is only Horus Lupica.
Gaslighting.
He's A or S tier shortly.
I mean, he's technically worse on the emperor.
Put him in A because before, look, I saw Horus Rising, you know, the one book I've read.
He tried to make peace with the, with the humans who lived with aliens.
That's pretty damn good, especially in 40 K. And then everything went wrong and he heresied
all over the place.
The shit coin did not go good.
Shit coin went very bad.
Invest in my new crypto scheme.
Horus coin.
With Horus coin, we can destroy the Imperium together.
Oh no, it's crashing.
Oh no.
Oh, Abaddon.
Abaddon.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know what's not, maybe not really, he's kind of like, he's, you know,
again, like it's a thing of like, he's not been sneaky or anything like, you kind of
know what you're getting with Abaddon.
So I feel like it's less of like a bright red flag.
No, here's, I think he should be right above Horus because he was there through all of
the heresy.
He saw how it all went wrong and then went, yeah, but I'm going to be different as the
War Master.
I can handle a chaos ship.
Okay.
All I'm saying, I know we just had a discussion about flesh capes.
Remember this is the guy who stapled like free blanks to a space marine, then cut out
his eyes, cut out his tongue, stitched them closed and like chained him in the basement
of the vengeful spirit.
And he was a psychos at real life.
He's not a nice guy.
It was the person.
Oh no.
Not a nice guy at all.
No.
Very bad.
Although he does enjoy craft brewing, so you know.
He does.
He does enjoy making a bath.
He's also a good leader.
He's a good leader.
He is, but he's a good leader for the side of hell.
Oh yeah.
I, you know, I have read like passages where it's like people will go to check out the
black Legion and then just end up signing up on the spot because he's so charismatic,
but also it's the black Legion.
Yeah, he's evil, but it's not.
If you let me down, I'm cutting your balls off.
Like, okay.
I will not fail torture for fun or anything like that.
Really?
He's just, he's like, he's a conqueror.
I think after the first blank he stapled, there was some doing it for fun.
I think as the first one, he was having fun.
It was about sending a message.
Okay.
He enjoyed the messages.
Oh, I mean, I mean, you are.
And he sees anything.
You should just go to the same place as Fulgham because he had a great part of his life and
now he's.
He was never nice.
Oh, come on.
Yes.
He was in prior to becoming a demon.
He was literally right.
He was not.
He was being correct.
What's his, what's the correct part of it?
The emperor was a God.
Yes.
The emperor is true.
Oh my God.
The horse has been a fucking disaster.
In the horror of the emperor is not a God.
Yes, he is.
I do not.
He is a guy that's the whole dude.
Where's the Garfield image?
You are not immune to propaganda.
Okay.
Like this is the fight.
What makes it?
Yeah.
What makes what makes the emperor of God?
He's all power.
Andy and then the army.
And he has something to say.
All right.
Or the only thing I want to bring to the table is nothing to do with that.
I just wanted to mention, bear in mind, this is the guy who led to Erebus.
Okay, yeah.
Fulgur is the guy who led to Lucius and Agar is the guy who led to.
And look where he is.
Everyone has bad kids.
But I'm just, this is the worst kid.
Put Lorgar in A tier.
No, that is not the worst kid.
I'm looking at Curse and Notarian right now.
Erebus is the worst kid.
Where are we at currently with Lorgar?
Lorgar was right in Calphe's self-defense.
The last time you see Lorgar in the Horus Heresy, he's on a primitive planet torturing
people and he's like, this is amazing.
He literally describes like, this is the most perfect.
He wasn't always that bad.
What was really, it even proves in the point in which like when he gets shamed at Monarchia,
like there's something deeply fragile underneath him, which is like, he really like, the only
reason he worshiped.
His vulnerability.
He lived his states word for word.
He did it because it made him feel special.
Not because he thought it was the truth.
He did it because he literally had such a massive amount of insecurity in him and he
was willing to annihilate planets.
This is what are we talking about?
Plus he had a tendency with like, the guy also had a flair for like every victory I
make in the Great Crusade has to have theatrics.
So he was like, this one we have to win in this way and this one we have to win in this
way.
Gilam is just like, one there, one there, one there, one there, one there.
He's just like, we're going to do only orbital bombardments to make it thematic and then
this one we're going to only do siege warfare.
He's like, Lorgar, could you just kind of get the job done?
He's like, no, no, no, no, I've got to do it this way.
Like, yeah.
And even if they're all tail-shawn.
Just send him to therapy and he might get better over time.
Even if they're on tail-shawn.
Send the Primarch to therapy.
You don't have to worship them.
You don't have to make the skin capes.
You don't have to do that.
Even if the skin tape makes a little ripple in the pond.
He's been done so dirty.
My god, but he's a nut.
Is that Erebus?
That's Erebus.
F!
Yes!
No.
He's a goat.
Need we say more?
Fine.
I mean, he's worse than Curse.
I don't know, but.
I think he's worse than Curse.
Because, well, he's a goat.
No, he's not!
The entire Horus Heresy.
He's like, oh, I want you to be like, he faked his way into the Space Marines.
Oh, I'm just a logger.
I'm just some guy.
He's a manipulator.
A spy.
There's no method to the madness with Curse.
He's still just a parallel of the Emperor.
The Emperor should be best here.
Oh my gosh.
I think Curse is worse.
He ends just by the means for this guy, just like the Emperor.
Erebus is S-tier, but I'm saying Curse is worse because it's just like there's no end
goal to it.
It's just, there is an end goal!
It's a really messed up end goal, but he very much is an end goal.
Even by the end of it, he doesn't know.
He's actually mad.
Like, even his promo book is actually mad.
His reign of terror ended like within like a few hundred years.
This guy still going on 10,000 years later.
That's a lot more misery.
I'm just saying.
I know, I'm saying he's top of S, but Curse for me is like, I would rather be locked in
a room with Erebus than Curse.
Yeah.
Why?
Because like, if I'm with Erebus, I could talk to him and like, I know it's like horrible
may happen.
You know what it would be?
You know what it would be Hal?
If you were locked in a room with Erebus and Curse, if you go in that room, you know Curse
is going to like skin you.
But you know what would be the problem?
Erebus would talk you into skilling, skinning yourself.
That's what would happen.
It's not like, oh, we just chill in the room.
Like no, no, he's gonna-
As I started worshiping chaos, I could get away, but Curse, I'm not.
I'm going to be a pillow.
Curse is just plain insane.
Curse is just crazy.
Erebus at least is trying to do stuff with his-
Well, Curse would make you into pillow, but Erebus would make you into pillow with 10 extra
steps, you know, that would be what it is.
He's totally-
He'd make you into an eternally living pillow that's been for a time.
I'm more terrified of Curse than I am of Erebus.
Surely.
Like Curse would let you die.
Erebus would be like, no, we're not fearless.
He never resides.
We're scrolling down.
That's crazy.
We're scrolling down.
Corpheron.
Oh my god.
Let's get through them.
Corpheron.
Corpheron is actually worse.
Corpheron.
Erebus from Wish.
There's not a single-
Erebus from Wish.
There's nothing even nice.
Yeah, there's nothing good about Corpheron.
No.
He's just so...
Yeah.
Didn't he beat Lorgoth before he got too big?
Yeah.
Not great.
And he couldn't do it anymore.
But no, but Lorgoth let him do it, because it made him feel special.
What is this picture?
Zardu-Leyak.
Oh, the-
Zardu-Leyak, the Crimson Apostle.
All I need to know is during the Siege of Terror, he made his face in the sky out of
bones, to like, intimidate the loyalists.
Yeah, that's not great.
Red flag!
Pretty cool.
Red flag.
And then he was a word bearer character who had his entire identity erased by chaos and
just became the embodiment of their will, in a way.
Yeah.
And then Dorne killed him and looted up.
His evil-
He also put Abaddon on the path to being the Despoiler.
Volkan.
Eldar Child.
Okay, I knew that was gonna come up.
Yeah, I think he's E.T.
E.T. is fun.
And if Cato Sicarius could curb Stomper Tau, Volkan can burn one child instead.
Yeah, but that was Cato Sicarius doing it.
How many times do we have to stay-
Yeah, Cato Sicarius could never be wrong.
Anything he does is correct.
Who is this?
Numen?
This is, what's his name, first captain, shoot.
The guy who sacrificed himself to bring Volkan back to life.
Yes.
I've not read the Salman who puts the Sal-
I mean, he's kind of better than Volkan, because he's like Volkan, but he didn't Stomp slash
Reynad Child.
Yeah.
Reynad Child.
Korrax.
C-tier.
You know what?
He's got a few problems, this guy, honestly.
In his Primark novel, he has an issue where he has a choice between saving a campaign
or chasing one rogue governor who poisons own people.
He made a choice between hunting down the justice of one dude versus saving a population
and stuff, so he's got problems.
He's self-obsessed.
He literally is like, I am the Dark Knight, but unironically, help me.
Also, are you from Terra?
Yuck, get out of my league.
He's real for that.
Kayvon Shryke.
I'm invisible.
Does he have any-
Invisible, no one-
He's in the Damocles, the books.
Does he do anything else?
Maybe he's like Korrax, but not depressed.
Yeah, he's just kind of like, oh, we should bring back the Shadowhunters.
They're cool.
That was in a book.
Moving on.
He's all right.
Alpharius.
I might painlessly F it.
You'll never know that he's S. You always think he's F, but he's actually S.
I think he goes somewhere in A. I'd argue because he actually treats regular humans.
He's the only Primark who treats regular humans with respect.
If you're part of his circle, he's actually really nice to you.
He's really nice to you, but also planning anything with him would be hell on earth.
There's also, he is absolutely going to be using you and you're never going to know if
you're the linchpin of the plan or if you're a disposable minion.
He's treating you with respect.
He's still using you.
Or is he just humoring you for his own delight and you have no actual concept of that even
involved?
You're just there for fun.
Yeah.
You're on blacklist.
Okay, well.
I don't know.
He's made right.
Right with Abaddon, I think.
Pretty bad.
He was crazy from the start, bro.
I don't know.
He was manipulative and power hungry from the very start.
Bro doesn't like taxes.
I can't put a man in S tier for that reason alone.
He's a real one, but he will not be a good, he will not be good in a relationship.
I think he's S tier.
I wonder if the Tyrant of Vadab is a bad guy.
Red flag.
I think Abaddon's way better than him.
Caldor Drago.
Oh, F, F, F. You can't, bro.
I'm sorry.
Bro, another win.
Another win for Caldor Drago.
Nothing is wrong with this man.
Another Mat Ward W.
Yeah, you want to smack my head against the key.
Sebastian Yarrow.
I can imagine going on a date with Caldor Drago.
No, no.
Put Drago in B tier because he's never around.
He is always in hell.
He's always around when they need him.
He just appears at the exact moment they need him.
Yeah, and then the rest of the time he's...
He's perfect for it.
There's nothing wrong with Caldor Drago.
No.
I can't tell if it's just the meme or the delusion, honestly.
Everyone knows.
The big Metis.
Wow.
The five euros.
To be fair, can't you get promoted to B tier solely because he beat the shit out of Erebus?
Fair enough.
By the time he got...
This is a hell of a one.
Ten dollars and my therapist none of a hell in his relationship.
Fing hell.
Damn, bro.
Everybody comes.
Donkeyman USA, think of it as the five dollars.
The only green flag Alpharius has is getting disassembled by Doran like a Lego man.
Crazy.
That's crazy that you'd say that.
One of them is still around.
Yarrick is...
Again, he's committed to the job and he'll never retire.
He can't settle down with Yarrick.
He's also probably...
He's also kind of obsessed.
He's kind of nuts.
In a way, the Imperium needs it though.
Can we have dinner tonight?
No, I have to kill Gasgall.
Okay, honey, have fun.
Kai Khaifiz Kain here of the Imperium.
F.
This is funny guy.
It has to be E.
I think he's E, bro.
I hate to do this to my boy, Kai Khaifiz Kain.
It has to go into E because he's actually a coward.
He's a bit of a womanizer.
Yeah.
I don't know if you can really be in a committed relationship with this guy.
And he literally does say that he doesn't care for his men lives only to the point in
which they will protect him.
He says that.
He says that, but he does stuff where it's like...
He looks like he cares.
Look, I think put him in D tier because no matter what, you have a wonderful evening
with Kai Khaifiz Kain.
You go home, Amberley Veil is at your fucking door.
I don't think Derek was killed by Angron.
That's not like...
I don't think it's official.
You're not official.
This is just random stuff that people have said.
Also, even if it is official, it becomes...
It's not his fault.
It's not a personality failing.
Derek is definitely...
A silent king.
A sadistic because he can't even talk to you.
He's also arguably the one who caused 40K.
And that's the old one's fault.
But yeah, he's not a great guy.
He is not going to pay child support.
He is not going to be there.
He's going to leave for 60 million years.
He's turned it around a bit.
He's made mistakes and he knows the mistakes he's made.
Did he annihilate his entire species and turn them into something else?
I mean, to be fair, he didn't really know that was going to happen.
I fed my people to the hungry gods.
The guy named the Deceiver, turns out he's pretty good at deceiving.
He didn't have a name tag.
Maybe A-tier.
He's not worse than the Emperor.
Who am I kidding?
He's A-tier, bro.
The Emperor should be S-tier.
I say it again.
I can't believe it.
Broken liching.
They were both galactic rulers who ruined everything for their subjects.
At least Zarek felt bad about it.
He got rid of the command protocols.
He does have some redemption.
There was a point where they were like, should we turn them off?
He's like, no, they'll kill me if we turn them off.
I think he goes in between Talos and Ahriman.
He has something there that's not fully bad.
His mistakes are enormous.
But also has no organs.
That's a red flag.
I'm busting for a wee.
There's a bunch of Xenos here.
Can you see who they are?
If you go through them, I'll get back and you can tell me where they're supposed to go.
Mr. Trazen.
He's obsessive.
He'll be nice to you, sure.
But you're never going to have a relationship with this guy.
I could almost argue, because top of A, Angron and stuff like that.
I don't think he's...
I've got to keep going back to that.
He's not worse than the Emperor.
A tier or B tier would be fine.
He has noble goals, but it is a turn into obsession.
It would be so awful to be in a relationship with Orkan, bro.
You will argue with this guy for 1000 times.
You will argue with this guy for 1000 years and not even know it.
He's probably S tier.
He's also going to get involved in the argument, because they're in a sexless gay marriage.
S tier or A tier.
Orkan, please come to bed. No, I'm mouthing right now.
I can't. I need to figure out how to bother Trazen more.
He will reverse time until he gets the restaurant that he wants to go to.
No, he's going to reverse time until he wins the argument.
Yeah.
On va, S tier easily.
On she is F tier 100%.
Varsityes like B tier.
Is he?
He's got issues.
I wouldn't say he's not.
I think I'd even put him in C tier.
There's a noble heart underneath him.
You're the Tao more than me.
I would probably adjust him.
Shadow Sun probably be maybe even A.
Something a little bit wrong.
He's kind of crazy.
She doesn't care about people.
Chazel Case is S tier.
Bro is supposed to be alone.
He's not going to be in a relationship in the first place.
He's also kind of probably dragging the mountain of corpses behind him, whatever you meet him.
Yeah, he is insane.
He is definitely S tier.
Love him though, real one.
Hit me out on Gatskull, okay? Hit me out on this one.
I think it's D because it's the kind of relationship in which you adapt to it and you're having the best time ever.
I was just saying, how do you judge him?
Do you judge him by orc standards?
How does he treat... what's his name?
Makari?
How does he treat Makari?
Because I think you can just say, oh, enough of that.
Yeah, I think you can just say, oh, we are over that.
But then Makari just comes back and has another new body, so it's fine.
But does he treat him good?
Does he treat him nice?
Makari seems happy to be there.
There's a really nice bit where his head's cut off by Ragnar Blackmane.
And while he's dying, he goes, what will happen to Makari?
Will someone look after Makari?
He's well into it.
I was thinking about Gatskull.
By orc standards at least, he treats Makari like the favourite child.
That doesn't mean that he's a nice guy.
He's not better than Sanguinus.
I'm going to lose it.
I'm going to hold fuzz at someone.
Wait, where's he going then?
All of Gatskull's personality flaws are because he's the remnants of a biological weapon made up of...
Only no war.
Sanguinus just goes nutty sometimes.
So yeah, I think he should be below him.
I think the order we did it was, Trazan was in...
Trazan, Orokin are in A somewhere.
Yeah, that's fine.
No, Orokin is in S.
Yeah, A is fine.
Put Trazan right below Orokin, come on.
S, because this is literally their version of a deceiver.
Anva is so evil.
Curse you, Phil Kelly, for doing that, by the way.
Anchi is F.
Anchi is a real one.
No one can beat Marnes Calgo, I'm sorry.
I'd rather be in a relationship with Anchi than Sanguinus.
I'm just saying.
Is that your wife then, for some reason?
No, we should never end.
Anchi is the nicest guy in Warhammer 40k, I will stand by that.
Shadow Sun we put in C, because she's alright.
She's not malicious, but she's just bad.
I think she's kind of crazy.
She's a little bit insane.
Kind of cray cray, and she's really cold.
Not more insane than a black and white car guy.
He was a nice guy.
C is fine.
Kace we put in S.
Why?
Because he's insane!
And he is the army of one, he's the lone guy.
He will never...
That's his philosophy.
Sorry.
He will know how to kill you in three thousand.
He's the Tao Doom guy.
He's malum cato, but his skin is blue instead of just his armor.
Yeah, but where Doom guys punching monitors when...
What's his name, Daniel?
What's his name, trying to talk with him?
He sided with the...
Samuel Hayder.
At least C is just like, I'll side with Peter Serafinowicz as he plays this.
That was before he went insane.
And that's Fire Warrior Kace.
Well we can't be held responsible when we go insane.
That's why it's being called insane.
He will never feel any emotion towards you.
Nothing wrong with the forearm, Deborah.
You will always be in a loving relationship with the forearm, Deborah.
No, absolutely not.
I want to put that in D for doubt.
If you're part of the Broodmine, you've never seen a single red flag in this guy.
Yeah, until the illusion breaks when the tyranids show up and then all of the horror comes crashing down.
And then you look up and they start eating your friends and you go...
Go off of the star children.
Imagine if you're all...
...your soup to this thing.
Could you imagine though, imagine your generations like you, your parents, your grandparents were all like genes to you.
And then all of a sudden it's like our entire relative line that's alive has made it to this moment.
And then they tell you like, that must be crushing to imagine that.
Like, oh no, they're eating my gran.
Carl Franz.
He can't stay in D tier, surely.
He can't stay in D tier.
They can't hide him.
No, keep him there, keep him there.
No, no.
The hivemind is just eating.
He's perfect in all ways.
I love him.
Keep him there.
No.
Hear me out.
We're sanguineous.
The highs are going to be so high, but there's gonna be some lows.
With Carl Franz, the highs are not going to be as high.
That's reality.
But there's not really lows.
He's consistent.
He shows up. He's on time.
N times. That's the lows.
Don't count N times.
Not real, not real, didn't happen.
Sorry.
I shouldn't have said.
Gelt S tier.
Gelt.
I must admit, I don't really know much about Gelt other than funny gold man.
So he's going to scam you.
That's how we became the supreme patriarch.
He scammed his way into Altdorf.
He will throw the lives of men away because he wants an upgraded magical staff.
Works with vampires, which to be fair, the vampire question was Vlad.
Not too much hate there, but he's still necromancy.
Not great.
Did try and kill the reincarnation of Sigmar in front of Carl Franz because he went a little bit insane and thought it was the changeling.
And then the changeling was the guy he was working with the whole time to kill the changeling.
Typical.
You know, he's it's not great.
Also, he's just kind of a dick.
He's just a dickhead.
He turns people into magical gold.
Bottom of S because it's like it's not it's not as bad as the rest of them.
But it's like I do I do not want to I do not want to be in a relationship with Gelt.
Carl sent me a family member.
Yeah.
Okay.
This is freaking year 500 of speaking of which the way I'm going to ask.
Yes.
Bro, come on.
No, no, no, no.
He goes right with Carl.
No, no.
Bro, literally he is the king of his.
Yeah.
And with that version of chivalry, it's oh, I'm sorry.
Are you a peasant?
Please, please lay down.
I need a carpet to wipe the dog.
And surely he's killed him.
Are you a peasant?
Yeah, he definitely trampled a few peasants that asked for rights in his lifetime.
In a short story about the election, he gives he gives Carl I will give him his credit, which is why, you know, put him in D or E.
He gives Carl like an actual mentorship lesson on how to be a leader because Carl is going to become emperor.
And then the moment after orcs invade and then somehow he's like, this is your fault.
You brought the orcs.
What?
Remember, it's the world.
There are orcs here.
It is not his fault.
You live on the world.
He works for the lady.
Like, he.
Oh, my God.
That's right.
They don't know.
Right.
They don't know.
Right from wrong.
Lady.
Is that the lady?
Lady.
She's I don't know if she's that much.
This is the same overall.
She's she's using an entire country.
Yeah, maybe the bottom of B.
Yeah, I think B is fine.
But she's an elf.
God.
She does protect the people who work for her and bring the miracles and stuff, which is still better than the emperor, at least in Hora's A, I see.
So you just lived on.
Oh, you're afraid to kill her.
Yeah, one person.
We're in one out of humanity.
Yeah.
And by the end of it, loads of people are doing it as well.
God, when things have gone wrong, everyone was doing it.
That's how morality works.
Everyone was there.
We know where man friends go and we don't even need to talk about it.
Even ignoring end times, he's still a conniving bastard.
Yeah.
And he's not even good at it.
He could step on his three end times.
Or was putting his brother in charge so the other vampires would kill his brother or get killed by his brother so he could take power.
God tricks also asked here.
I'll be honest.
But Dante is in E tier, bro.
Dante does not seek his death.
Yes he does.
He asked for a mission.
Dante knows when he's hoping it happens, but he's staying alive because he knows he has to.
God trick is not trying to stay alive.
By that metric, then God trick is still trying to stay alive in each fight because if you don't fight your hardest, you're not dying.
He's doing it so someone can say cool story.
He's also doing it because slayers aren't allowed to just throw themselves on top of a spear.
They're both fighting for duty.
But I think God trick has resigned himself to his fate and later, fuck out, Dias or something.
Dante's just like, please let me go.
I've been doing this really long time.
It's B tier.
I think he goes right next to Sigismund.
Because in the same way, they both are seeking just to fight it out, but God trick is actually nice to people.
Was it human children and all that stuff?
He's quite pleasant around.
Human children?
This fucking menu sucks dick.
Does Felix go in S because you'll die if you date him?
Put him under, yeah.
Under the emperor.
If you're a love interest of Felix.
What is up with him?
Hey, settle down.
That's the finest Altdorf gear.
Put him bottom of A. He will try and protect you.
Just put him by God trick.
Put him next to God trick.
Altdorf fit, okay.
Put him below God trick because you know God trick is part of the equation.
You're getting a second husband.
To be honest, I'm just finding amusing their sandwich between Sigismund and the collective high-end.
Felix is worse to date than the high-end, bro.
Speaking of like, the optimal dating option.
Bro is made out of love handles.
Yeah.
More lovin'.
More pushing, baby, you know what I'm saying?
He'll eat you in a week.
That's his chat up line.
I'm gonna eat you up.
Like, oh, Grease says something.
No, I'm gonna eat you up.
He's very greedy.
E.
I mean, it's just a guaranteed death.
It's a guaranteed death.
Hear me out.
E for eat.
Yeah.
He made friends with Cathay and in fact put in a system so they wouldn't keep eating traitors.
He's not better than Vulcan, surely.
Pretty sure he's eaten children.
It's just an altar, bro.
It's just an altar.
How are you gonna fault a guy for getting the munchies?
Around an orphanage.
F for fuck.
Teckles is a betrayer.
He's a snake, man.
He's a snake.
He's a regular.
Teckles is drying his bed.
Do not put him in S tier.
Two betrayers side by side.
We're even doing a similar pose.
He could have been in B tier.
He could have been right next to our Farih, I think.
There is a passage where Teckles is ruminating on how he feels closer to the humans him and Tyrion are patrolling with than he does the other elves.
Because they're also looked down upon by the rest of his kin.
Geez.
Teckles can be a real one.
I don't think that's sympathetic.
He sent his niece to go get sacrificed.
Yeah, but that was to bring back Nagash, which as I will discuss, is inherently morally just.
Should we read some donations before we go through the last one?
We've just got the one.
Tom Warren.
Thank you for the five dollars.
This slander, Gottrick deserves F tier.
The Slayer stuff is what happened after the relationship was ruined.
Through no fault of his, Gottrick was still part of his life.
Gottrick was a loving father for quite some time.
And then that wasn't Tyrion.
S.
Daddy Trek.
S.
It can't be S though, because he was doing all right before that.
Dude, you're going to be hanging out.
Like, you know, it's a good time.
Tyrion's a very charismatic fella.
And then he's going to suddenly just go stone faced and just look north towards the Widowmaker.
I think he goes just below Sevatar, because he'll like, he'll bring doom, but he also won't wear skin capes.
Fair enough.
Just below Sevatar.
Yeah, I think, yeah.
Walking, walking.
We were going back to the skin capes.
There's a lot of skin capes in Nagaroth.
I still think Kurs is the worst.
We had a whole discussion about you.
Yeah, the Kurs is the worst.
The Kurs is the worst.
No, I said Kurs is the worst.
Yeah, I was great with you.
I was great with you.
I was on Erebus's side.
That was not the worst.
Also, look, Malekith, he's got a little scrying chamber at the top of his tower where he can look at anything and anyone in the world.
He's absolutely looking at his mom in the bath.
Okay, okay.
All right.
Moving on, moving on to his mom.
You don't want to be there.
F.
I mean, she's the Erebus.
Oh, but hell, you know what you're in for.
There's no red flags because it's all laid out for you.
It's all laid out for you.
You're not missing anything.
If it's like it's a hidden red flag, it is worse because if I know someone's a walking red flag, I've got my guard up.
If someone is more smart.
Yeah, but then an element of your brain is just like, I can fix her.
No, I can't.
Who's making me worse?
I can't fix her.
I mean, maybe I'm the one who's broken.
Maybe she can fix me.
Put me on the black arc right now.
Okay, moving on.
We're going north.
Cain is top of S tier.
I don't know if you could actually get worse than Cain.
I think Korn is a nicer guy than Cain.
Cain is the god of elf murder.
He likes watching elves die more than anything else.
There's a prophecy that the elder are going to kill you.
We can maybe show that you're a just god.
Maybe get a suryan or their Isha, their mom, to talk to them.
Kill all of them.
Every elder.
I also like that his sword basically has elf rabies.
That's pretty cool.
Kill, kill.
Let's ship Marathi and Fulgrim.
No.
Can we get a separate tier under Elv for Nagash?
There's not a single Eldar on this tier list.
I just realized this is truly an Andy tier list.
I forgot them.
I can add them.
Bro, come on.
Look, the world would be at peace under the dominion of death.
Chaos wouldn't have a foot in it.
Come on.
Where did he go wrong?
There's no skin capes because everyone's bones.
Come on.
This is when you realize you can't argue because this is like the immovable object.
It's a stubborn brick wall.
And the brick wall cannot perceive an argument at any other point.
I still think Cain is worse than Nagash.
I think Hal, it's more apt to say it's like the force going into a black hole.
It just gets consumed and swelled around to nothingness.
As soon as you hit that event horizon of just like, no, I'm not getting out of this.
And you know who has a black hole under his control?
Nagash, the shyish nadir.
That sounds wrong.
He's perfect.
He's hiding under there, Nagash.
Anyway, name Nagash's black hole.
He's a goat.
I think he goes in E tier because if you...
Look, anything Settra does is correct, except for fighting Nagash.
But aside from that, you know, he's got understandable reasons for not being correct on that one.
I can't blame him.
Maybe D because he's not malicious.
He's just a standard war.
The only two things are that if need be, he will sacrifice all of your children to the gods.
But it is to end the harvest.
And if you fuck up saying his full title of names when he comes home from work for two hours straight, he beheads you.
But it's Settra's title.
So like, you know, really you deserve it.
I'd be too on edge.
To be honest, just for the fact that he's got a bad skincare routine, I'd say that's a red flag.
All right. Well, he's like 12,000 years old.
I was about to say, there's a moist crevice on that entire thing.
He lives in a desert.
So do I look at Dusty.
He's not because he is the best guy ever.
He is undead.
All the comments are just like, hey, there's children.
Hey, there's children in the chat just again and again.
I think B is pretty good.
Who's this lady?
Yeah, so what if he did? They deserved it.
Settra needed the dip.
Oh, that's Kalida.
Look, she has a sense of humor, which for a Warhammer character already means I can't put her above C.
And in one of the books, she put a poison bracelet on Felix.
So like that was timed.
So he would complete the mission she had of her.
They got back.
It went off just before she was able to take it off.
She was like, well, the poison in that thing just turned to dust like 5000 years ago.
We were just doing that to fuck with you.
So does she reject vampism as well?
She did. So strong morals.
I think the biggest red flag is that she's going to like.
She's undead.
Kind of like how Gilliman is putting the job before the undead too.
But like Gilliman is putting his job for you.
She's putting like a whiff of vampirism and she's leaving the dinner date.
She's going to go deal with the vampires and whatever you want be damned.
Yeah.
So I think that's the biggest red flag.
You got a real one.
Yep.
China number one.
Cafe.
Yeah, that's his biggest red flag is he's got a green rock bolted to his head
and he won't tell anyone if it's warped stone or Jade.
It's not great.
It's not legal.
Cause he's kind of an animal as well.
He's a dragon.
Okay.
I think that's the biggest red flag.
The dragon blooded while he was in dragon form.
I think just mechanically that's not going to work.
But I put him in like D tier.
He's the one he is always drinking with the buddies.
He is like the most down.
To earth of the dragons.
She's in.
She's in a T.
If you're under her command, you're, you're going to drown.
I think that's the biggest red flag.
Okay.
Well, last one.
Crap.
Blossom.
Five years.
First super chat.
Glory to hasher.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Glory to him.
Indeed.
To be, to be fair.
I've just seen that Mike.
The plutonium ground is fuming that I put yin yin in this tier.
I did it for you.
Last one.
It's always your fault.
If the relationship doesn't work.
That's the tier.
Can that not be the top?
Even.
It was every, every actually has their fault.
Anything that goes wrong.
If thankles involved is he like, it's simply not his fault.
Only one thing that thankle did that wasn't either deserved on the other party's part or not his fault.
You can.
I love him.
The only downside is the gas.
What's guess?
Bro.
That's not awesome.
He doesn't know what that word is.
Please.
It's like it needs to be, he needs to be the king.
Of this.
Because.
Negage is like he had evil incarnate.
Whereas like the thankle could be nice.
He just never will choose to be nice.
No, no, he can write you nice.
I like the idea that thank will just doesn't have any concept of what evil is to self interest.
And that's it.
Listen, give him some sympathy.
He spent his entire life battling a duo who had no idea who he like.
Who he was.
It was the same.
It's not his fault.
It's not his fault, bro.
First of all, not getting it.
You don't get it.
It's not his fault.
Like he is a rat.
He is old for a rat.
He backstamps.
He does not love anything.
His closest companion is on what number 15?
Bone ripper.
He's stupid.
So real.
Gaslight girl.
Gaslighting girl bossing rat keeping.
That was a real one.
Never nothing wrong.
He is the horned rat's greatest boy.
Like he's the horned rat's goofiest goober.
Come on.
I should tell you everything you need to know about him.
Yeah, that he's a perv.
That's a different looking tier list.
What happened?
Well, I've downloaded it.
So it will be in the edit.
What does it mean by this?
I used that as like a template and then I added to it.
Yes, that was the tier list.
Very nice.
Quickly, Eldrad's S tier.
Ilyk is B tier.
Udyriel's D tier.
He's just a pirate.
Nuedu is E tier.
Same hand guy.
I didn't hear the name.
I just didn't understand it.
Nuedu.
Yevrain is S tier.
Who else?
The Phoenix Lords.
I don't even know.
They're something.
I really don't know.
Asterman's got a bit of an ego.
He named himself the hand of God.
That's so cool though.
It is cool as hell, but you don't do that and not be full of yourself.
Zandric and Oberon, they won't participate.
They already love each other.
They're already best buddies.
There's no room for a relationship.
Emotech is S tier, surely.
Emotech's a bad guy.
That's good enough.
Anrakir is A tier.
He will never be home.
Azdrabyle Vect is in his own special tier for being in the law.
I may have liked that one, or enjoyed the episode.
That was quite a long episode, but we...
Man, we have giggled quite a bit of some stupid things.
I can't believe Kuz was not the top of the list in some parts.
I can't believe it either.
And Sigwitius is still on the bottom.
No Primark should be on the bottom.
If I had to be relationship with any character we picked, it would be Sanguine.
It doesn't mean that he's the best fucking character.
I couldn't handle Sanguine.
That being said, everyone, thank you guys so much for watching.
Everyone who sent donations throughout the episode, appreciate you.
Love you all. Hope you all enjoyed that.
And we'll catch you guys on the next one.
Peace.
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Grunt.
Thanks for watching.