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Hello ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls and welcome back to Fantasy Fireside where

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we discuss bits and bobs about Warhammer Fantasy, its many factions, its many characters and

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all sorts. So Colin, what are we talking about today?

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What we're talking about Andy is, I want to ask you if this sounds familiar, a large powerful

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nation ruled by a god-like figure who doesn't like being worshipped as a god, who has several

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incredibly powerful but not quite as powerful as him children, who has a grand overarching

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plan to stop chaos that he's not really told any of them about. Does any of this sound

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familiar? North Korea?

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Indeed we're talking about North Korea. No, the Imperium, I'm assuming you're alluring

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to the Imperium. I am in fact doing that, yes. It is exactly

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what I'm going for but it's not the Imperium, it is the mythical nation of Grand Cathay

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which for those of you who don't know is only a slightly more original name than what they

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gave Japan which is just Nippon. That's only because less people know about Cathay being

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another name for China than people know about Nippon being a name for Japan.

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And isn't it Indie, sort of India? They didn't even get that, it's just Ind.

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Yeah they just took the letters out like, yeah fuck it, it'll be fine.

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Sometimes you know the creativity is flowing, you get something just with a really unique

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name sometimes, you just got to take away two letters.

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But that doesn't mean Cathay's not fun to talk about. I have found that since they came

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out in Total Warhammer, boy did I want to get a Cathayan army which with some teasers hopefully,

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for hopefully a little bit down the line that might actually be happening.

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I do find it interesting that like, what's the company that makes Total War?

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Creative Assembly. Creative Assembly, like Creative Assembly

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are basically entirely responsible for the lore we're about to talk about, aren't they,

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more or less. It's like they've done more for Warhammer fantasy lore than Games Workshop

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in the last few years in some regards.

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Yeah, in fact, old Cathay lore really was, there was a little bit more than some of the

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other generic like background nations, but they definitely weren't even the one with

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the most, like, where would they go, like Kislev, Estalia, Tailea, Araby even, they

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all definitely had more lore. Cathay was probably the Asian equivalent country with the most

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lore, did not have a lot. It kind of starts and ends with they have, you

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know, they had, of course, the Silk Road, still just called the Silk Road, they did

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not change the name from real life to Warhammer.

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That'll do, yeah.

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The Dragon Emperor dropped a rock on the Ogre Kingdoms and they have strange living creatures

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made of stone, as in they had, like, you know, those terracotta warriors, well, what if they

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were alive and could kill you? That was kind of...

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And I've seen the enormous ones in Total Warhammer, I'm like, oh, they look cool.

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Yeah, that was a, I don't think they, they don't believe they were even like the big

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ones yet, they just had like the terracotta warrior standard that just happened to be

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living, and this was all from background, either the occasional White Dwarf book, or

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not book, magazine, or the Tamurkan Thrones of Chaos, Forgeworld book, wasn't much about

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them. But then we enter, I believe it was 2021 or 2022, when Total Warhammer 3 was coming

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around, this, you know, the end game of the trilogy. They've got four and a half of the

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new factions they want, you know, you've got, of course, got the four Chaos Gods and a demon,

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for the not aligned, all the demons together, Fun Box faction. You've got Kislev, got the

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Ogres. It's, you know, you kind of want someone else, though, you know, the demons are, they

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don't necessarily play similarly, but they're kind of much smaller rosters than the other

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factions in the game. Kislev's, Kislev's decently fleshed out, the Ogres needed some

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help, but another one would be good. So, in conjunction with Games Workshop, an eighth

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edition Warhammer Fantasy Army book was made for Cathay, which you don't get to see, no

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one gets to see, so we know it exists, but we don't get to use those rules, which is

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like in a gigantic vault with like a space marine helmet on the front, just like it's

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in the vaults of Warhammer HQ somewhere. It is a little bit galling that that exists,

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and it's not even a PDF for like a collector's thing somewhere. Ah, that's a shame. But Brightside,

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what that did was creative assembly, as you said, went a little bit nuts, turned that

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rule book into units for the game, and suddenly, without, if I'm remembering correctly, not

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much ceremony, they're like, oh, hey, guys, here's the next Warhammer 3 trailer. Grand

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Cathay, what are you doing here? This is a nice surprise. And so, suddenly, we have Cathay

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as an actual fleshed out faction. Not as much as, you know, obviously, the Empire, who's

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had 40 plus years of books devoted to them, but I think they're doing better than the

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leagues. I was just about to say in comparison to the leagues, though, I'm sure they're doing

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pretty good. They have multiple characters to talk about and discuss that are all in

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spite of, you know, a fairly light amount of lore. I actually quite like his characters.

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Hmm. So, I'm sure we'll go into them. We will. We'll start. Although it's interesting with

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like creative assembly, basically, at least in terms of lore, it's kind of an unprecedented

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thing to just be like, hey, we're just going to make independently this faction completely

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fleshed out all of a sudden in one fell swoop. And we're not even going to make a big ceremony

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about it. Just say, oh, by the way, we just revolutionized this faction. Lol. Oh, thanks,

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guys. If I'm remembering correctly, in the order of like the trailers, it was the first

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one with Keeslev that was just kind of like, there was three. There was one that was like

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in an empire college of the Wizard of the Heavens looking at the stars to read the future.

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That didn't have much. Just that was really, hey, the game's coming. Don't worry. It's

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getting close. The second one was Keeslev and then the Cathayan legendary lore trailer

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drop for Meowie Yang. And hey, it looks really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm excited to get

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into it. So how are we going to crack this one today? Are we going into the history of

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the lands or the biggest characters? How are we going to approach this today? It is still

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a fairly light amount of lore. So we'll go through the history of the nation. We'll go

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through the characters, talk about, of course, Big D. It's not Big E. It's Big D. Big Dragon

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Emperor. Big D. Just laying on the table like, got Big D versus Big E. But I, and of course,

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you know, the Dragon Primarchs, the Dragon Children. But there is, I have a surprise

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for you, Andy. They all have a mother. Big D's married. Really? He is. And he didn't

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banish her to the middle of nowhere with the first Space Marine made or whatever the hell

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was going on with Lee too. He had like au natural Primarch babies. Oh yeah. In a traditional

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way. All of these babies were made the natural way. That poor lady. I'm hoping it was like,

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are they like the same size as a Primarch? She's also got some stuff going on. Okay.

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Okay. She's also not quite human. Okay. Then that's fair enough because I'm just about

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to... Could you imagine giving birth to Rabute Giliman? That would be horrendous. Oh, he's

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massive. Jeez. Did they say how big they were in the caps? Now that I'm actually thinking

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about it, when they were like first made, were they baby sized and just got huge or

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were they still proportionate? So a baby Primarch is like two feet. I know they like rapidly

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grow. So they obviously age really quick. They're like baby to teenager to adult in like a year

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or so. They're like pretty quick, but it's like, I assume it's going to be like, cause

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you think of like normal babies when they're born, sometimes you're just like, oh, that's

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a big baby. Poor mother. And like, it would be, I would assume they'd be pretty chunky

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babies. Like that's not fun. Especially when you're actually having 21 all at once, if

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it was the original Primarch. Like, oh, that'd be dreadful. But at least I'm guessing these

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babies were born a few years apart. And so there's a bit more of a, I'm the oldest, I'm

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the youngest. Ha ha. Hierarchies in our family. Assuming there's not 19.

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No, there's nine, however. So there's still, I mean, like I said, these were, they were

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born the normal way. So that's, that's a lot of kids.

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Just had the dragon emperor like, right. First one's done. Right. I'll see you in a minute.

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We're going to make them too. Okay. Yeah. Get them out there. Get them out there. We've

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got to go now. Go, go, go, go. So, but, I mean, hey, it was probably more fun to make

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them than it was for whatever Biggie was doing. Yeah. Malkador just ever syringe going, all

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right, here we go. Where are you putting that? You don't want to know. Okay. Although if

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you'd like, I guess as a secret spoiler, it's not even a spoiler because this is just a

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one-off line from Nikari, you know, the keeper of secrets. Apparently they were watching

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them make the dragon children. Hopefully that's just an idle total war taunt and not something

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much grosser. I'm sure that would annoy the dragon emperor.

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Just like a chaos demon. Like I saw you two doing it bareback. Like, Oh no, get the hell

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out of my house. Shut him up. Shut him up. Kill him. Kill him now. Yeah. Yeah. But shall

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we start with the history? Let's go. So for once in the realm of human nations, we actually

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do go back to before the old ones. There were no humans yet, but if you might remember from

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the other ones before the old ones showed up and started dicking around with the world,

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there were dragons on the Warhammer world. It was a colder place. It was a, the dragons

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were kind of the dominant life form. There's a lot of other races and the old ones show

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up and just kind of start getting rid of things they don't like.

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I'm getting dark souls flashbacks like there were dragons and then Gwyn, I mean the old

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ones came in, they got rid of all the dragons. Oh no.

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Yeah. Although in this case, Gwyn was a T-Rex. Naturally, the dragons were not happy that

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the old ones warmed up the planet by shifting the entire thing closer to the sun. But the

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lore for the T-Rex model, the Lizardman have was that it ate so many dragons so efficiently

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that they had to get out of Lustria. So they couldn't really do much to stop them. Some

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of them would eventually shack up with the elves as we talked about before. They had

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best friends with the elves that give me an ego too if my dragon or my best friend was

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a dragon. But some of them went off and did their own thing. Most important of them being

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of course the dragon emperor who even at this time was probably still the most powerful

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dragon, definitely by the time the old ones were done murdering a lot of them, he went

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east to what would have been Cathay. Well, what would become Cathay. Eventually some

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human tribes were found in the area because the old ones just kind of started plopping

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down humans everywhere. So for protection they eventually came to him because he started

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initially like, oh there's some barbarian, not even like hunter gatherer caveman tribes.

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Let's get them as followers, they're here now, I might as well make the most of it.

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And then chaos showed up and more and more started showing up and coming on in. And the

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emperor realized, I can make a country out of this. There's a whole lot of people now

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flocking to me because he's a big powerful dragon and dragons in Warhammer can usually

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at least take on one greater demon. So and he's a very powerful one. So he starts flocking

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together and eventually we start getting Cathay proper. It starts forming around him, they

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start basing their culture on what he teaches them and eventually his children and wife.

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And you get the initial grand nation of Cathay. And yeah, so now fantasy China does exist.

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Most of the culture is based on what they were taught by the dragons, be it the dragon

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emperor, his sons and daughters, his children, what have you. And they start growing and

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growing eventually, of course, as China was in real life becoming the largest nation in

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the Warhammer world, at least of humans. China, for those of you who don't know, has a lot

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of people in it. Cathay has a lot of people in it.

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Yeah. And to be fair, I think was it China was the first civilization to like propagate

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reading and like, writing, so like very, very on the forefront of learning knowledge, fireworks,

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gunpowder. They were ahead of their game for a long time.

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writings just a handy skill, like a lot of different people kind of separately discovered

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writing, but they were one of the first.

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Yeah. I don't think it was so much they were the first to start writing. It was more that

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they made a concerted effort to teach like the populace, hey, you should learn to read

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and write because it's kind of good for the economy and counting grain and all this stuff.

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You should know how to take notes because that's good for the civilization. Meanwhile,

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Britain, we're all just there going, doing nothing apart from just throwing rocks at

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each other, but different era, different time.

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Everyone has their ups and downs. And when the real world, China's up was kind of like

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2000 years straight. But ignoring real world history for a moment, this was all happening

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for reference thousands of years before Sigmar. And in fact, even before the tomb kings were

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the tomb kings, they were not undead yet. So Grand Cathay is a very old civilization.

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Naturally, yeah, they fought against chaos, kept everything safe. In order to keep them

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safe because the marauders that they faced came from the north, the dragon emperor constructed

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a great bastion of Cathay. What could that be? What do you think that could be?

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Hold on a second. Were any structures that we might describe as a wall erected around

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this bastion?

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Indeed. You could, in fact, just describe the whole bastion as a wall.

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Okay. We did that games workshop. Very clever.

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Although true to Warhammer fashion, right? The great wall of China in real life isn't

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actually one contiguous wall. It's like a linked series of watchtowers, forts, a lot

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of walls, of course, like we see the pictures, a lot of walls, but it's not one huge line

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across all of China. The great bastion, I'll send you a picture, Andy. It's a very big

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wall.

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Wow. That is a big wall.

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What's this?

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What's floating rocks as well? What's going on there?

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That is something that just kind of happens in Cathay.

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Oh, okay. What's that about? Don't worry about it. It just happens.

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My best guess has always been that the dragon emperor is so powerful with what he was doing

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that sometimes some magic stuck around and made some rocks float. Failing that, someone

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at Creative Assembly really loved Kung Fu Panda 3.

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Oh, great movie. All the Kung Fu Pandas are great.

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They were all good. I didn't see the latest one. I've heard it's not as good, but I don't

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know if it's bad because it's bad or if it's bad because it's a seven out of a 10 after

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some bangers, right?

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Yeah. It's like that whole thing of... I even saw a video recently. It's just like this

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perfect trilogy. It's just like the original Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and then it's

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Kung Fu Panda and I'm like, ah, he's not wrong.

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Yeah. So this wall, real good to keep chaos out. Sometimes something breaks through, but

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not really even often. Usually that's really just total war hammer, if you'd like to take

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that as loosely canon. For the most part, Norscan or not usually Norscan, usually like

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young marauders try and break through and then they get shot. It's a big wall. You're

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not getting through.

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How long did it take them to figure out like, we should probably stop trying to get through

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this wall after five attempts.

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They're chaos raiders, so they didn't really get that down. They kind of just kept going.

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not actually... We'll get to the end times eventually because that's not really been

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changed. I would quite like to see it a little bit more fleshed out, if only to know what

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the dragons were doing. But it wasn't actually really chaos proper that did Cathay in.

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Typical. I just kind of like the idea, to be honest, of the ogres watching the chaos

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hordes charging. They're like, they're doing it again. They're just there having a snack

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watching. This will be funny.

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Well, that actually brings me to, I guess, the next point. When we talked about the ogres,

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I did mention it. We'll mention it a bit more briefly here. But the ogres during this time,

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eventually were eating the giants, eating their home out of house and home, and eventually

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kind of wandered into the lands of Cathay. They found out that people taste pretty good

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too. So the dragon emperor, in his relatively, to the setting, limitless power and wisdom,

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just chucked a big rock onto their homeland and wiped out two-thirds of them. Which, on

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the Cathayian side of things, it's a much less influential affair because most of the

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ogres just kind of went away after. Not all of them. Ogres are everywhere. But at the

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time, it was like, well, I dealt with the problem.

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Yeah, to the ogres, it was like, this is a cataclysmic event for our culture. For the

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dragon emperor, it was a Tuesday.

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Yeah. For the day Big D visited your town, it was the most important thing.

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He went swinging his Big D, and he was like, this is how little I care.

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Yeah. So for a while, Cathay was pretty, there's still, like I said, not too much about it.

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But it did develop, like I said, to resemble China, and of course under the guidance of

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the dragons. Over this time, Big D would have his nine kids. There's no specific date when

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this kid came here, this kid there, that kid there. But there are very much oldest and

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youngest ones, and they would lead the time being revered. Which instantly, you know,

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a little bit about the culture. I don't remember where I read it, but it was a great way to

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put it, which is that Cathay kind of turned into what the Imperium would be if Horace

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didn't have heresy all over the place.

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Oh, that's nice.

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Big E was able to gaslight everyone, really thinking he's not a god.

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Although before we go any further, am I right in thinking though that the dragon emperor

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might be the oldest character in the set, or one of the oldest characters, or at this

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time the oldest active character in the setting? Because he's pre-Old Ones.

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He probably is. The only thing that would make it like not him is if some of the slahn

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were made by the Old Ones before they showed up on the planet. And even then, it wouldn't

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be an answerable question. It would be like either some of the early slahn were older,

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or the dragon emperor is still older. He's either the oldest, or he's only not the oldest

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because you can't prove he is.

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Either way, he's got main character syndrome. He's like, I'm in charge because I was here

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first. And he's like, yeah, fair enough.

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Yeah, and again, it's hard to talk down to him because if you do it, he's still a dragon.

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You got dragon. So anything that tries to bother him usually just kind of dies. Although

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he doesn't make himself known very often. Because at one point, he started planning,

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much like the guy in space. And of course, it was a plan to get rid of these annoying

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chaos things once and for all.

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How'd that go?

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Well the end times happened, so whatever the plan was clearly didn't work.

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Bucca.

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But you know, we'll get to it later, he did at least tell one of his kids about some of

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it. So he does have that going for him. With that though, a little bit about the, like

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I was, Imperium if Biggie didn't get stuck on a chair forever. So they don't really usually

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worship gods in Cathay, right? They're not about that. But they revere the dragon emperor

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as the ultimate being of whom all should aspire to, even if they know they can never be untouched.

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They're not on his level. They revere his nine children as, again, not quite Biggie,

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but still basically gods walking around. Granted, and you know, sure enough, as poor Carcassi

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found out in Horus Rising, if you say bad things about Big D and the sons of his children

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and all of that, they're probably going to beat you in the town square for saying bad

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things about the not god dragon emperor. So it's, they worship them as gods, but they

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don't like gods. You know, it's very much great crusade era Imperium stuff, where like,

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let's be real, even ignoring, you know, Euphrates Keeler had her little shrine. It definitely,

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they didn't call Biggie a god. You don't have that level of reverence for people you look

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up to normally.

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And to be fair to both factions, you can also point directly to them and be like, that thing

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over there that's like shooting fire out of their fingertips or like is a billion foot

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tall when it's seemingly immortal. It's kind of like a god, dude. I'm just saying. And

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he's right there.

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I'm looking at him. Especially because like the dragon emperor, he is, it's easier to

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like say object, he's not a god because he was a dragon hanging around. But other dragons

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at Warhammer can't just magically summon up a giant like mile thick wall across a nation.

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So you gotta wonder.

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And he was also around practically from their perspective since the dawn of time.

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And yeah, as far as they're concerned, he's been here forever. It was an, although there

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are, there is, again, there's a fun line from one of the children. We'll get to them. Yuan

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Bo, who says, of course we look down on gods that are based in destructive and humanity

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clearly wants to be ruled. Why else would they conjure up these gods to rule them? Which

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leads into the next bit about Cathayian culture. Very orderly, very much about, you know, yin

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yang, harmony and all that stuff to the point that it's a game mechanic in a total war.

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Everything needs to be in place. You know, all the Feng Shui needs to align and everything

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like that. There's a, it was more so an old lore. I haven't seen it as much, but there,

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you know, there was the elements, right? You know, what a wind, fire, water and wood, wood

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being, you know, depending on like some old ways to look at the elements. Wood is an element.

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Everything needs to line up nice. Everything needs to be harmonious and all of that, you

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know, it's a very orderly nation.

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This, this, this, um, infantry division sparks joy. This one is not pulling their weight.

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This one is very much not sparking joy. Exactly. Um, over this time, he would also have some

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kids and at one point get married to the moon Empress. The moon Empress is not just a fancy

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name because she's a shape shifter from the moon, the last of her race. Where did that

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come from? Where did they go? I don't know. This is again, some of this was, I imagine

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how a lot of early Warhammer was like the horse heresy before it was developed where

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a line just gets thrown out. And I was like, what do you mean by what? What? It's the,

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it's the clone wars effect where original star Wars movie, Ben Kenobi is like, ah, the

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clone wars on the clone wars. Oh, it's a big thing. Now we have, what does that mean? I

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guess we'll make a whole movie and spin offs just about that. Yeah. Cool. All right. Still

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waiting on some stuff for that. Uh, but yeah, she was a, she was a shape shifting being

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from the moon. Um, what exactly that entails don't quite know, but she's a, the dragon

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emperor found her pretty harmonious, I guess. And, uh, they made BABY. Um, the emperor just

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went that wizardess came from the moon and he was smitten. He's like, I, okay, I'm interested.

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They, uh, they got to doing and from that nine kids, uh, although a little, little bit

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of history still left to go. Cause, uh, there are still more comparisons to be made. They

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ruled directly over Cathay. Not, you know, obviously not the only people. There's also,

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of course, the army of bureaucrats below them, but they were still the direct rulers of Cathay

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from in the Imperial calendar, negative 1800 IC to 1999 IC, a nice clean 4,000 year ruling,

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which was mostly okay. It was mostly solid. Uh, you know, even with big D leading them,

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there's ups and downs, but every now and again, you know, things would get bad. Things get

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better. Yeah. You know, standard nation stuff, no nations at the top of the game all the

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time. Right. Eventually, uh, 1999 big D and big E leave, uh, to go work on that project

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a little bit more hands on. They, uh, they entrust Cathay, uh, well kind of more softly

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in trust because from my understanding of what happened, they just kind of upsticks

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and left one day like Sigmar did. It was just like, and we're gone. Good luck everyone.

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They were just a bit worried about Y2K. They're like, ah, school the blocks are going to reset.

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We've got to get out of here quickly. Ah, but, uh, so it's got like the soft, you know,

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like big E and trusting horse and the primers to take, take care of things. Uh, although

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a little, a little bit less solid, I guess, uh, cause again, it does appear to me like

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they just kind of left. Uh, but with that, uh, again, you know, the children are leading,

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it's up to them. You know, they've, uh, they're going to do what they're going to do and,

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uh, they don't do so good, uh, to the point that for the next few hundred years, kind

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of, uh, just like kind of during, and then a little bit after while the emperor, the

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empire is going through the age of three emperors, Cathay goes through what is known as the time

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of darkness and disharmony, which was mini Horace heresy. None of his kids felt, well,

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okay, we'll get to that again. None of the kids in charge of Cathay felt a chaos. They're

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all still hanging around. They've still got the right sibling rivalry thing that gets

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a little bit more violent than it usually does. They got that down pat still. So when

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big D's absence, they declare, I should be in charge. No, I should be in charge. I want

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to be in charge. So Cathay kind of starts infighting massively. Um, it's vastly destructive.

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The only reason they're not overtaken by chaos is again, you know, big wall and whenever

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chaos shows up, they just like, all right, pause for a moment. Everyone, we need to deal

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with this. They shoot the chaos invaders and they're like, okay, back to killing each other.

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I imagine if you've ever seen like half memes because they're kind of just screenshots of

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historical records where it's like minor skirmish on the Chinese border, 30 million dead. I

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imagine that's kind of what was going on. Cause again, it is fantasy China. It has a

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very large amount of people in it. It eventually got to the point that, uh, any of you ever,

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do you know journey to the West vaguely? Um, I, I know of it in like a, I've heard of it

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since, but not much. Do you know who's, do you know Sun Wukong at least as a vague figure?

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Uh, slightly again, not by any stretch where I could be saying much about it. Well, do

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you know who Goku is? Cause if you do, congratulations, you know, Sun Wukong. Uh, Sun Wukong.

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Wukong Goku, who I don't believe he has a name in Warhammer, but he's the monkey king.

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So it's Sun Wukong. Eventually at this point, he just takes the throne of Cathay because

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they were so disunited and not working with each other that the monkey man just kind of

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wanted it up and took control. And, uh, it was really not great. Uh, it kept getting

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divided like more and more. There was a separated, uh, Cathay was really not looking good. This

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was, uh, I think like closest thing to real China. Cause there was always parallels in

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Warhammer fantasy. Like the three kingdoms period. Oh yeah. I love dynasty warriors myself.

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Yeah. Great game. Uh, how many times are we going to make this game? About 50. Nice. We'll

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do it until people stop buying it and no one stopped buying it. So, and, uh, the monkey

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king for reasons that I will admit are beyond my comprehension installs a skaven to be his

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chief advisor and starts trade with the skaven. No, don't ask. Don't ask. I don't know why

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he did that. Okay. And eventually, uh, a couple, like at least a hundred years after that, there's

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about a hundred years where Cathay is ruled by the monkey man. Big D and you know, his

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wife, the dragon, emperor show back up or moon. They're like, what the hell are you

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all doing? What is this? We've just been on a lovely honeymoon, a late honeymoon because

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we had to get the babies done first and we come back and you've left the house in an

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absolute tip. What is going on? Why are there fires everywhere? Who have, who have you killed?

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So and so supposed to be here. These, this is a big pile of bodies over there. What's

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going on? I know he was just like a mortal dude, but I quite liked him and now he's dead.

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Uh, yeah. And, uh, he kind of sorts things back together and that around gets to the

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point where modern war hammer fantasy begins. Uh, there is around this time, which are presumably

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existing to give us rebel enemies to fight. Uh, here's another just exact term from Chinese

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history. Eventually some people did rebel against the dragon emperor, against the mandate

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of heaven, which is again, just Chinese history. And we get to about modern war hammer fantasy.

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Uh, although it is occurring to me as I look through the notes, I did skip one thing. Uh,

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they traded a lot with the tomb Kings a bit. They gave the tomb Kings firearms, which is

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in one telling of the story because fun fact, Andy, the origin of the vampires is possibly

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the most retcon story in all of war hammer period because Vlad's had about 50 different

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names and, uh, might've gone to Cathay. We don't know because GW flip-flopped every day

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flip-flop during the same edition. Sometimes I'm getting emperor flashbacks again with

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that in mind. Like, Oh, he was all these people doing history. Hmm. It's great. Uh, but they,

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yes, they did trade with the priest cakes as they were at the time, but even gave them

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guns. Uh, and in exchange Neferrata gave some of them vampirism and they went back to Cathay,

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which was never much expounded upon even a newer lore. Although there is a minor vampire

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faction in Cathay. You fight his total war hammer and, uh, Vlad might've been an advisor

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to the dragon emperor for a bit. Vladdy daddy Von Karstarn. To be honest, I'm just imagining

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the dragon emperor with his super natural like smell. It's the first vampires like walking

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to say, do you guys smell that? What is that? What is that? There's something going on.

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What's going on? And then he's just like, Oh, vampires now I deal with this shit. Oh

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God. But were they like aggressive? I assume they couldn't be aggressive towards Cathay

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cause it's like, what are you going to do? It's super duper powerful. Yeah. This was,

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um, even an older lore before there was new stuff about like the dragons. Vlad was more

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just still an advisor. And when they discovered he was a vampire, he did pretty quickly high

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till it out of there. Yeah. But he again, direct advisor to the dragon emperor. So he

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definitely, he, he definitely found a pretty high station for a little bit. Then he turned

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into a pirate, but this, uh, this isn't about Vlad. We don't need to worry about that right

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now. Good old Vlad dad. Uh, daddy, daddy meeting another daddy. Yeah. Uh, with that though,

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a lot of the other history we can kind of talk about as we go through the dragons. So

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like I said, dragon children, all born naturally sons, uh, child, you know, dragon emperor

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and moon empress. And much like the prime marks more or less demigod children's of the

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dragon emperor who rule Cathay, uh, both directly indirectly, uh, depends on the role. Uh, and

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when he's not around, they're his voice. When he is around, they help him with what he needs.

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So let's go through them. Where is the first one? Where have you gone notes? Uh, right.

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Uh, we'll get through, cause two of them are just totally unknown. We'll go through them

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first. One of them is, one of them is nothing. I'm just going to love with you. One of them

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is completely, it starts and ends with, we don't know about them. Oh, they have their

390
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,040
own lost prime mark. I see. Indeed. Two is too many. We'll have one. You know, half as

391
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:14,680
many kids, you only get one lost prime arc. Yeah. Another one is mostly unknown. However,

392
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,600
there was a, you know how like, like dragons in China tend to, they don't really, uh, they're

393
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,800
like more serpentine. Uh, they don't have like the arms and legs. They're just kind

394
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:29,640
of like big snakes in a way. Yeah. Uh, that is largely what the Cathay and dragons look

395
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:37,080
like when they're in dragon form. Uh, with that being said, though we don't know either

396
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:43,920
of the unnamed dragons, Archeon in his quest to become the ever chosen of chaos slaughtered

397
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:52,400
a chaos dragon who is described as being serpentine in nature. And the name of it was Yen-ya Long.

398
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:59,260
So I'm thinking one of those Cathayan dragons, one of the two missing ones might've got lost

399
00:39:59,260 --> 00:40:09,520
in the chaos sauce and got butchered by Archeon. It's another feather in his bow of like people

400
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,120
saying, Oh, he's cooler than, than Abaddon. Cause he gets more done. He killed a whole

401
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:18,920
ass dragon. That's pretty impressive. Yeah. It was a semi divine whatever's going on there

402
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,720
dragon. Uh, it's that's again, that's not confirmed. It's just the only thing really

403
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:29,280
we have to go off of is that it was a serpentine dragon as opposed to normally. And it had

404
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:39,160
an Asian sounding name. So it could be connections there. I mean, where else is it going to,

405
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:47,520
going to, going to come from in Warhammer fantasy? Like Bretonia? Doubt it. Probably not. Um,

406
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:58,160
so with, uh, with that we come to, uh, the actually known siblings. Uh, so first one,

407
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:05,680
uh, Shen Tzu fantasy Vulcan. She's described as the bringer of light and hope all of her

408
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:13,680
siblings. Yeah. Uh, big D has daughters too. Uh, again, it was biological. There was no

409
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:21,800
genetic stuff going on. Indeed. Uh, she was her bringer of light and hope. She's all about

410
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:27,880
bringing harmony and everything to her. The point that in total war, the, if you do bother

411
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,960
to some reason, still play the, uh, the more narrative campaign, which by the way, as a

412
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:38,560
side note, don't do that. Just play immortal empires. Uh, you are looking for her. That

413
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:44,280
is the whole point. They, they want her back really bad so that the whole country can be

414
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:52,040
at peace again. Uh, cause without her Feng Shui is off. This is a problem because one

415
00:41:52,040 --> 00:42:00,120
day she seems to have just walked into Norske and vanished. Don't know where she went. They

416
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:08,640
really want her. Uh, they still have rough hope that she's alive, but like the MacGuffin

417
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,680
God of the total war campaign, the God, the bear God of Kieslev, Erson says he witnessed

418
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:21,000
her fate, which is pointedly not him saying she, he knew where she was. He witnessed her

419
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:29,240
fate. So as long as they don't have to get the artifacts of, uh, of she soon just be

420
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:33,040
like, right, we've got to go find her. We've got to get these specific items left behind

421
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:39,600
by, I mean, um, the dragon lady and then we'll find her and it'll be good. Like they don't

422
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,960
have anything to go off. I'm assuming they just like, Oh, we'll just find her eventually.

423
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,920
So yeah. So there's a, there's three possibilities I have in my head for what, uh, what happened

424
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,560
to her. Cause you know, she, she was the nice one who kept everyone, you know, stable and

425
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,840
happy as a family. She had to go naturally. We need the war game to be a war game, get

426
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:09,680
the hell out lady. And, uh, then so yeah, three options. One, she's dead. Two, she's

427
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:17,400
still missing and they're saving her for a DLC for total war. Or three, because the dragon

428
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Archeon ripped off had three heads. There was some weird chaos, human centipede, dragon

429
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:32,240
centipede stuff going on. Her siblings, no less. That's even worse. Yeah. So again, not

430
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:38,240
at all confirmed. I'm just trying to give some options as to where did she wander off

431
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:46,240
to? Again, most likely is probably you walked into Norsca lady. There's a lot of scary things

432
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:51,800
up there and did you bring your winter gear? Yeah. Depending on when you did that, that

433
00:43:51,800 --> 00:44:01,920
includes Archeon. So good luck. Not good. The next, the next one is Shiama. She is confirmed

434
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:09,760
dead. She was, she was the firstborn child of the emperor and empress and she was slain

435
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:17,480
before any of the others were born. So they only know so much about her. She does still

436
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,700
kind of quietly help. Cause I think it's kind of like you get powerful enough and death

437
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:28,560
isn't quite as important because she's apparently sleeping underneath the, it's called the dragon

438
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,440
river. Not the most creative of names, but it is fitting. I will give it that there's

439
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:38,920
a dragon under it. She's doing the dragon sleep under the dragon lake in dragon mile

440
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:45,340
beneath dragon mountain. She's got an order of monks dedicated to her warrior monks and

441
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:51,560
she helps guide the dead Cathayans to the underworld. So she's dead, but she's still,

442
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,080
she's still helping out. And I'm sure the God of the dead more appreciates the help. He's

443
00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:04,920
pretty overworked. Is, is there any risk that she could run into Nagash or is that like,

444
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:10,480
throughout most of the lore? Probably not. Cause when the Gash was defeated, he, it depends

445
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,240
on which floor you go with. He was either so weakened by the fell blade. He couldn't

446
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:19,360
do much in death or every time he died, all of the souls, the people he killed would gang

447
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:25,640
up on him, beat the snot out of them. So during that time, probably not. When the end times

448
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:31,640
come around again, there was a, the end times for Cathay has still not been elaborated on

449
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:37,120
too much. There's a non-zero chance that she got eaten by Nagash much like the God of the

450
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,800
dead. Cause that's the thing is like, whenever you mentioned death and Warhammer fantasy,

451
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:49,720
I think of hope. What's his face himself? Just like, I love death. That's my thing.

452
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:55,640
He's probably involved somehow, somehow. Usually is if you go back far enough, no direct mention

453
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:04,760
of him that I found. So, but I'm assuming, I'm assuming in the end time since the Gash

454
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:10,680
took control of the entire wind of death and then ate the God of the dead, probably not

455
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,720
looking good for her. I'm just, I'm just going to say it. You know, it was probably damage.

456
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:24,440
Yeah. Yeah. It was, uh, she's probably not doing so hot right now. Yeah. Uh, but with

457
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:32,520
her, we now finally get one who's actually around and doing things. Meow. She's the oldest

458
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:38,480
now that she almost death, uh, which is she the one in the trailer? Cause I remember there's

459
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,320
a trailer where there's a lady, she jumps and she turns into the dragon. Oh, that's

460
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:48,280
cool. That's her. She's a, as the oldest, she is the strongest remaining. Although there's

461
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:54,760
an asterisk on that that we need to get to. Uh, she might not be, uh, because there is

462
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,840
a short story. There is actually a fun short story about Cathay where one of the other

463
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:08,360
ones throws his weight around a bit, but again, we'll get to that. She is at least in, I don't

464
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:15,000
know, her own words, the strongest. Uh, she's daddy's favorite. She's a daddy's girl and

465
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,480
her charge is the Northern provinces of Cathay. Cathay is divided, you know, in Northeast,

466
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:29,840
Southwest, Central, uh, again, very, I don't know, China. And, uh, if you'd like me to

467
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:35,720
be mean, I can help if, uh, wonder if she's daddy's favorite because the first daughter

468
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:41,860
and firstborn died and big D wanted a replacement. Uh, but that is just some Freudian analysis

469
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:46,640
from someone who's took in one site class at his life. So feel free to make of that

470
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:52,400
family situation what you will. She doesn't hate her dad. So she's at least got that above,

471
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,440
you know, like Horace or something. Uh, she is, and you know, to give her some credit

472
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,480
again, she's a, still a dragon, one of the dragon siblings, which since I realized I

473
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,520
haven't talked about it much, the, uh, dragons of Cathay can take out a human form at will

474
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,400
when they want to, you know, when they want to make friends and look nice, they can cast

475
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,120
magic a bit better when they're a human, but sometimes, and you know, it helps them blend

476
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:23,400
in. They're still very clearly not human. Uh, you know, what, if you look close, at

477
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:29,620
least they got some funky eyes, like glowing bright white or whatever color, uh, but it

478
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:33,800
blends them in. But then when it's time to throw down, like you saw in the trailer, they

479
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:40,720
jump off a wall and turn into a dragon. Yeah. I'm just wondering what was the mechanics

480
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:44,520
of, you know, whenever you get a character that transformed from a humanoid thing to

481
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,800
a beast or whatever, it's like, what happens to the clothes? Are they like just magic clothes

482
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,360
that just like, I can turn back and forth and back and forth and I'm just wearing the

483
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:59,520
stuff or is it part of their skin or is it like what's going on there? That's very strange.

484
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,080
It's kind of like that joke, that joke of like, what happens to the Hulk when he goes

485
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,640
Hulk? And then he gets really big and his trousers never shred, like, how? How does

486
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:13,560
that work? Yeah. Uh, don't know if that was answered. I'm going to go magic clothes, uh,

487
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:18,400
cause they're all wizards, but whatever you'd like to assume, if you really- I've got the

488
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:26,080
finest magic tailor in all the worlds. Yeah. Um, they, uh, yeah. So she is in charge of

489
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:32,360
the great bastions defense. She's got a very stressful job, you know, it's, it's constantly

490
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:40,120
under, under siege basically. It wavers back and forth between what strength of, you know,

491
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:46,560
chaos invaders are showing up, but it's chaos to the North chaos rate. Raiders always want

492
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,440
to prove they're worthy of becoming a warrior proper and then a demon Prince. So, you know,

493
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:57,440
it's, it's a very violent theater of war and she commands me, chaos is the only game in

494
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:02,640
town. Everyone else has sense not to invade. Everyone else has the sense not to invade

495
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:08,960
or it is just too far away to do it. So it's kind of just a lot of demons, particularly

496
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:14,960
a demons of zinch because zinch has a strong presence in Cathay. They call them Chi and

497
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:23,880
Chi in some places. He's actually officially worshiped. Uh, they usually, the dragons don't

498
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:30,120
really like that. Uh, so they squash it when they can, but it doesn't stop people. Well,

499
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:35,440
never stop people in the other Warhammer places from worshiping a chaos God. So just them

500
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:41,320
scape. Those are my worshipers. Go away. Piss off. They're mine. I need that worship more

501
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,880
than you do. Go away. Yeah. She's a meowing though. She's very haughty and aloof. She

502
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:54,560
is not a joyful person. Uh, she's, you, you probably would not want to be stuck in like

503
00:50:54,560 --> 00:51:00,240
a car ride with her. It would not be, it would be very awkward the whole way through. Yeah.

504
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:06,480
Lots of excuse me, princess. All that kind of stuff. Which, you know, again, I will be

505
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,920
kind of nice to her given her job. You know, if she fails once, then it's time for chaos

506
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,600
marauders to pour into the country. That would probably make me a pretty stressed out, not

507
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:27,040
very happy person to, you know, it's comes with the job, right? Uh, she's, but yeah,

508
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,640
she's, she's in charge of that. She's a not got the best relations with her siblings because

509
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:37,620
she's happy to let you know she's daddy's favorite. Uh, and, but she's got the power

510
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:42,480
to back it up. And if nothing else, it took until the end times for Kathy to fall and,

511
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,680
you know, get really invaded by chaos. Right? So if nothing else, she does her job. Well,

512
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,920
you can give her that much. Uh, you know, if you want to be generous, uh, sleigh girl

513
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,120
boss, you know what you're about. If you don't want to be generous, please shut the fuck

514
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:06,080
up and just go back to defending the wall. You arrogant piece of shit. Uh, next one and

515
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,720
a couple of the first three are going to be, uh, legendary Lords by the way, in total Warhammer.

516
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:16,640
So if you own that game, you can play as three of them. Xiao Ming, he is a, in charge of

517
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:22,600
the Western provinces of Cathay and for a variety of reasons, both to his own inclinations,

518
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,600
his own personality and the region he rules because it's the region where the silk road

519
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:34,800
goes through. He's the one who interacts with normal people the most. Uh, so he's a, he's

520
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,800
an interesting guy. Uh, he's probably, he's my second favorite. The next one's my favorite,

521
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:45,120
but he's, he's, he's a close second. Okay. He's very down to earth. Like where the other

522
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:51,280
ones are very much like very open about the fact they're above and beyond the average

523
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:58,120
zone. If you need to find Xiao Ming 50, 50 shot, if it's not an active combat zone, you

524
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:04,200
could find them at a bar, just drinking, having fun with his troops. Little, little bit of

525
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,000
Lehman Russin, a little bit of that just kind of sprinkled in there where he like, he likes

526
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,240
his drink. He likes hanging out. He likes sleeping around because the dragon children,

527
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:19,120
they, they have children with more beings. I was just going to say they're E. Tyrion

528
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Lannister energy from this guy, from what I can tell. Yeah. Which has a little side note

529
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:28,840
makes a, they're called dragon blooded Shugangons. They can't turn into dragons, but they're

530
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:34,440
still stronger than you. Okay. Got that, got that secret sauce in their bloodline. Like,

531
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:39,320
yeah, there's a, there's a little bit of dragon in there so they can cast some magic naturally

532
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:48,840
and probably rip you in half. So, uh, most of them come from him. Let's put it that way.

533
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,160
Are you one of mine? Ah, of course you are. Good lad. And then you go have a drink with

534
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:59,200
dad and then it's a good time. You tell your stories to dad and he goes, Oh, everyone knows

535
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,840
I'm the favorite. You know, my sister, Oh, look at me. I'm the best mom daddy's girl,

536
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,880
but actually everyone loves me because I'm a drinking buddy. Um, and he's actually just

537
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:14,760
such a cheerful and like friendly guy that it extends to not only non-dragons, but non-Cathans

538
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,920
and non-humans as well. Uh, do you remember Grease's gold tooth that I was gonna say,

539
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,400
it's this man, the Grease's guy. Yep. It was a, it was them talking to each other and relating

540
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:32,340
over dad problems that the, uh, some more proper, like actual tolling and trade routes

541
00:54:32,340 --> 00:54:36,920
were set up through the ogres lands instead of just arming a caravan to the teeth and

542
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:44,160
hoping the ogres don't eat it. Uh, there actually seemed to be pals. Uh, they even, uh, they

543
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:51,160
made a joke that, uh, well, he made a joke that I'm glad we can, uh, bond over our issues

544
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:59,720
with our fathers. Although I don't think I could eat mine. He's a bit too big.

545
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:05,600
Not with that attitude. Go, go have it. And, uh, if you follow both the total war hammer

546
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:11,800
immortal empires trailer and meme cannon, him and Gelt are best friends, which actually

547
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,640
can be an event in total war hammer. You can get a bonus to relation with him if you're

548
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:21,960
playing as gelt. Oh, that's nice. Uh, yep. They're both lower of metal wizards. Uh,

549
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,440
Zhao is a dragon ruler of an empire. Gelt is supreme. They're, they're bros. They're

550
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:38,080
real bros. Uh, yeah. Uh, now you might be wondering what's the other shoe gonna drop

551
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:44,000
and it drops in the form that he's amongst his siblings. They consider these habits of

552
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,840
his very eccentric, right? Because, you know, they're the ruling dragons that are supposed

553
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:54,000
to be, you have a little bit more class, right? Don't just spend your time drinking and having

554
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,760
sex with the first person to walk near you. Yeah. Stop working up in hay bales in like,

555
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,480
in like the barn next door to the pub with like the girl from the tavern and going, where

556
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,280
am I? What happened? Like, yeah, that's very uncouth. You're a royal bloodline fella. Be

557
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:17,160
more kingly. Yeah. Uh, so they consider him eccentric for that. The other eccentricity

558
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,600
comes from that he's, he's really big into alchemy, which by itself, you know, fine.

559
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:28,000
Nothing wrong with that. It's alchemy and it's a fantasy setting. So it's a pretty productive

560
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:36,680
thing to pursue. The problem is, Andy, I'm, uh, I'm going to send you another image. Do

561
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:45,080
you see that gem on his hat? Let's have a look. Uh, yes. It was, uh, in an interview

562
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,800
with one of the creative assembly guys who was kind of heading the, you know, redesign

563
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:58,240
of Cathay and everything. Someone asked us the, Hey, is that Jade or is that a warpstone?

564
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:06,120
And the guy did not answer the question. Oh, uh, there's occasional voice lines where he

565
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:14,680
mentions he hears some voices. And even if that on his head isn't warpstone, warpstone

566
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,280
is one of the chief ingredients he messes with. And much of Western Cathay is known

567
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:27,120
as the warpstone desert. Oh, so he's not in a great environment for his sanity. He's not

568
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:36,440
using great materials for his sanity. It's, it's not great. He's full of warpstone the

569
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,000
way we are full of microplastic plastics. That's how it is. Yeah, yeah. That's, that's,

570
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,520
that's what he is. And you know, I'm, I'm just going to say it. I think I'll take the microplastics

571
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:53,560
compared to that. It's, it's led to him being like one of the most, one of the more isolated

572
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,000
of the siblings, not even because like they dislike him because he's an asshole. It's

573
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,760
equal parts, you know, a little bit of classism and equal parts. You have warpstone on your

574
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:09,320
head. You are not well. Uh, the next one we're going to talk about in particular, doesn't

575
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:14,080
like them because he thinks because Joe was doing things that were not sanctioned by the

576
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:21,640
dragon emperor and he's not a fan of that. Nope. Uh, although again, for what it's worth,

577
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:27,600
uh, Volkmar the Grim, who was just a dude, the cult, the Pope of the cult of Sigmar has

578
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:33,000
a warpstone eagle bolt to do his chest. Never once showed signs of chaos corruption. Not

579
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:38,040
even like, not even a hint that there's like, he hears voices when no one's looking or he's

580
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,720
secretly doing rich. He's just built different. So

581
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:47,280
All looks at him and goes, skill issue. Yeah. So probably fine. Makes him a little bit insane.

582
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,760
But you know, again, Hey, Luther Harkon hears voices all the time. He's the greatest admiral

583
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:57,560
to ever exist. So, Hey, maybe a little bit of crazy helps you out. Yeah. It's, it's,

584
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,760
it's, it's, uh, it gives you a bit of individuality. Makes you a little bit different. That's all.

585
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:10,800
It's fine. It's fine. It's like a little bit of spice. Yeah. Um, he, uh, he's also, he's

586
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:16,200
a mama's boy to Xiao Ming's daddy's girl. Uh, he's the moon emperor's favorite. Her

587
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:23,800
support is part of the reason he doesn't really face any consequences for rampant warpstone

588
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:34,280
usage. Uh, so yeah. Uh, and then, uh, I did, uh, I did have some comparisons by then. I

589
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,200
had these wrote down and I forgot to really go through the, the Primarchs. He's kind of

590
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:43,400
like, I couldn't really give him a closest one. Uh, he's because he's got like a little

591
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:49,240
Lehman Russ is like drinking party attitude, but I think he's also like as a whole closer

592
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:54,200
to Magnus because he's doing some experimentation with stuff that he probably shouldn't be.

593
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:59,920
He said, unlike Magnus, multiple people have told him, Hey man, warpstone's bad. Don't

594
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:00,920
do that.

595
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:10,360
His dad's like biggest bestest. I'm sure he hasn't done that. He hasn't shown up and like

596
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:17,160
annihilated the project. Big D was working on. Uh, but it's still like, what are you

597
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,920
doing there, bud? What's going on?

598
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:26,960
Why is this part of the city on fire? Come on, tell me you can tell me, come on. I won't

599
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,920
be that mad. Calm down.

600
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:36,880
And we get to the next one now and he's easily my favorite. You want boat. He rules the central

601
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:44,320
provinces and he's the administrator of the realm. Uh, as you can guess from that, one

602
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,760
of the biggest, his closest equivalent, he's Gilliman, right? He's the administrator. He's

603
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:55,040
the bureaucrat. Uh, the central provinces, he rules them. He's kept them pretty safe.

604
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,000
Like it, you know, there's, you can probably find beastman there, but I'm not going to

605
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,840
hold that against him. If there's H, if there's more than one tree per 10 square miles, there's

606
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,680
beastman. That's just how Warhammer fantasy works.

607
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:13,240
Uh, but in the lower, at least pretty safe place. Uh, and as far as most people know,

608
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:19,560
he is, he is just that he's Chinese Gilliman. He's an amazing bureaucrat. Uh, he does what

609
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:24,640
he does very well. He's kept the country running smoothly for thousands of years. He's a, he's

610
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:29,160
a pretty trustworthy or reliable guy. It doesn't make too many waves. And for that reason,

611
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:36,120
he's like the least disliked out of the rest of the siblings. Aside from maybe one will

612
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:41,480
get to, I like to make fun of her because she's a boy. She's a character. She's a piece

613
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:48,760
of work. Yeah. Uh, but she's, she's like, well, no aside from, pardon me. I was thinking

614
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,800
to someone, aside from that Shenzu lady we were talking about earlier, she's gone though

615
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:59,080
and probably isn't coming back. So since that he takes her place as the most likable one.

616
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:03,520
And again, as far as most people know, that is kind of just what he is. He's an administrator.

617
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:08,000
He does what he does. Still a dragon children. So, you know, you know, logically the average

618
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,200
get the, and he can kick ass, but he spends most of his time in human form. He's a pretty,

619
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,960
uh, not Xiao Ming levels of find them at the bar celebrating with the troops after the

620
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:22,600
last battle, but he's a pretty cordial guy. Talks to mortals without too much of looking

621
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,360
down at him, works with them frequently. He's the administrator, all that stuff. Uh, he's

622
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:35,080
very, very, you know, easy going, all things considered again, keeps telling Xiao Ming,

623
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:40,520
please turn down the Lincoln park and stop using warpstone, which is handily ignored.

624
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:45,840
But I don't think there's any real enmity there, at least from on Xiao Ming's part.

625
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:50,440
Yuan Bo is probably not very happy. He just sounds very reliable. Like I'll get the job

626
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:56,240
done. You can count on me. I'll meet the lads for one drink after the work shift. Just be

627
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:02,240
like, just so I'm there. I'll listen to their problems. And yeah, seems, seems like a good

628
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,440
guy.

629
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:11,400
And uh, you should only half believe that reputation because he has a reputation as

630
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:19,000
the one of, if not the weakest of the dragging siblings, which he plays up and helps spread

631
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,640
as the other Primarch he takes after is Lehman Russ, because what is his other title is none

632
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:30,040
other than the emperor's executioner.

633
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,680
As the bureaucrat, he has all the paperwork. He knows where everyone is. He knows when

634
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:40,160
things aren't going as they should be. So when he pays a visit, you better have a good

635
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:44,160
explanation for why things aren't going together very well.

636
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,400
He's quite literally judge, jury and executioner.

637
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:55,120
He is, he is the Punisher. That is if you've not played Marvel arrivals, when Punisher uses

638
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,520
his ult, that's verbatim what he yells. I know that's obviously something before the

639
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:04,640
Punisher, but you hear judge, jury executioner and then bullets start flying. He doesn't

640
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:09,160
use you on boat, doesn't use guns, but it's usually going to have the same result of where'd

641
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:10,160
my head go?

642
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:16,480
He starts screaming, just like, you know what? I loved it. I loved it. Go mental. Like in

643
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,800
that courtroom scene in the Punisher. I killed all those people. I killed all those people.

644
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:25,640
It was great. I'll do it again. Like, bow, to that, to that.

645
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:31,120
He's also, because he doesn't have enough responsibilities, this poor overworked Gilam

646
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:37,320
and Lehman Russ equivalent, we're also throwing in Corvus Corax because he's also the emperor's

647
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:43,880
spy master. He helps, this is more of the moon empresses thing, because he gifted her

648
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:49,280
what are known as onyx crow men, which are giant bird people that can turn into normal

649
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:56,840
crows, I believe, to go around and spy on the realm. And between that, he has your taxes,

650
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,940
so he's got all your paperwork. He has the crows to spy on you at any moment and they

651
01:05:00,940 --> 01:05:09,160
can talk to him just fine. And he's very powerful. So if there's like anything in Cathay that

652
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:14,920
isn't like, either can't be taken on with an army or an army's not the best solution,

653
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:21,560
you're probably getting a visit from either scary bird people or the scarier dragon person.

654
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:27,640
Yeah, you're going to be visited by the cafe equivalent of the FBI, IRS, CIA, all the acronyms

655
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:38,000
at your doorstep. Yeah, he's not going to be happy. And he, he

656
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:44,720
does his job well. Let's just say that. He's also, though he's not the favorite of the

657
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:50,000
dragon siblings, he is the one trusted with the most knowledge of his father's plan. The

658
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:55,160
full, the full thing, at least to us, maybe you on bow knows the full deal, we don't.

659
01:05:55,160 --> 01:06:01,000
But a lot of it involves hijacking the wizard, the lizard men's geomantic web they use to

660
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,600
align all the stuff and the, you know, the magics of the world and stuff. Big D's got

661
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:12,080
an interest in that. So when total warhammer, his job is to go to lustria and get that web

662
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:17,640
aligned to Big D's whims. Almost like a webway project.

663
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:26,080
Indeed. It could perhaps be something like that. We don't know, but there are parallels.

664
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,560
It could also just, you know, it's a little bit of revenge too, because the lizard men

665
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:34,820
are the response, are the ones who's, whose creators warmed the planet up by shifting

666
01:06:34,820 --> 01:06:40,760
the whole thing closer to the sun. Could just be that he could find other ways to get his

667
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:46,120
plan completed, but those lizards killed all my dragon friends, so you know what? I'm taking

668
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:55,560
their shit. He's also, he's a very, as for as him, he's a Stoic fellow, like I said,

669
01:06:55,560 --> 01:07:00,320
soft spoken, but you know, he'll get, he'll get, he'll get the job done. He actually has

670
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,960
a short story written about him called the master of the meteor wind, where he deals

671
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:10,000
with the changeling who's pretending to be Miao Ying, his sister. He gives a pretty good

672
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:16,920
showing of it. And if I remember correctly, the reason that he does not, he's tipped off

673
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:23,680
to the fact that it's the changeling, does not have pinky out when he pours the tea.

674
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:30,880
Change thing, you should have known. Etiquette, proper etiquette.

675
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:36,420
He's also a, he's the guy who had that quote about mortals seeking to be controlled for

676
01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:41,680
why else would you conjure up the chaos gods, which is at least admittedly in fantasy, not

677
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:49,160
where the chaos gods come from, but can't blame them, I guess, for not knowing the complete

678
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:54,640
and utter truth of the universe and the chaos gods. So it's not the worst assumption to

679
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,920
make. He's not wrong about, he's not right about where they came from, but in 40K, that

680
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:05,360
opinion would be spot on because we have birthdays for the chaos gods. Just in fantasy, they

681
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:18,720
have a, it's not quite as correct. Yeah. He also, he's very hard to like, psych out, right?

682
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:24,560
Like he's the coolest, most collected guy on the planet. Unless you are the monkey king.

683
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:30,600
The monkey king is the only person who can piss off Yuan Bo reliably, which means I don't

684
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,500
know if it's like proper Sun Wukong, because in Journey to the West, Sun Wukong is a smarmy

685
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:42,280
little bastard. Or if he's going the other way, monkeys can might piss you off and just

686
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:50,760
flinging his poop at him. Never confirmed. Think what you might like. Everyone's got

687
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:59,240
a line. You don't cross even him. Yeah. His line might be getting poop thrown at him.

688
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:07,640
So you know what? I hope he never goes to Stirland. I had to get that in. Sorry. He's

689
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:15,000
also for the end, you know, the less little bit about him in spite of, you know, being,

690
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:19,920
you know, kind of like Gilman, he does have a little bit of a sense of humor, a little

691
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,600
bit of sass in him. At the end of that short story, Meow-ing eventually comes back and she's,

692
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,920
you know, all blustery about like, Oh, you entered my lands without my permission. How

693
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:34,440
dare you? And he just says, Oh, I'm sure you can forgive me in the same way that I'm sure

694
01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:39,400
our father will forgive you for letting your lands go to complete shit while you were galvanting

695
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:46,400
off doing whatever. And then she just, he goes, she just goes real quiet. And he's like,

696
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:53,240
yes, I'm sure a very generous donation to, to, you know, to the bureaucracy would smooth

697
01:09:53,240 --> 01:10:00,460
things over very well with dad. And then verbatim, he just turns to look at her grins. He goes,

698
01:10:00,460 --> 01:10:13,560
after all, you are his favorite. Oh, oh, sassy boy, sassy boy. He's got, he's got some sass.

699
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:20,520
He's a, and though he doesn't make it known often, cause he's both spy master, might be

700
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:29,360
propaganda master and is the bureaucrat master. Don't mess with them. Cause he's probably

701
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:35,760
going to kill you. And I want a mini of him so bad. If slash when Cathay comes out as

702
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:44,860
an army, I goodbye all of my money. Uh, with that, there are two more dragon siblings.

703
01:10:44,860 --> 01:10:50,680
One of them, both of them are pretty quick to go through. Okay. The last, the second

704
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:56,880
to last is lead out. He's the fire dragon commands the Southern provinces. Don't know

705
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:02,600
too much about them. We do know he has a temper, which fitting for the fire dragon, you know,

706
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:10,860
I'd say that lines up right. He constantly has to deal with the invasions from the Asian

707
01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:16,120
countries we don't get to know about, you know, in Koresh, the monkey King. And he's

708
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:23,200
a, he's pretty jealous of a meow yin because he's like, I have to, I have to deal with

709
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:28,160
the Southern borders and there's weird chaos, snake men, beast men down there and the monkey

710
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,400
King and end where they have a hunt, like a thousand living gods. I have to deal with

711
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:37,360
that all the time. You just have to deal with the morons and big armor that's spiky. I have

712
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,160
to deal with all this, but I don't get any of the credit. He's, he's, he's got a bit

713
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:45,760
of a chip on his shoulder over that one. A bit of a perturabo complex. It sounds like,

714
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:52,760
we're like, Oh, master of war. Oh, whinging and moaning all the time. Fiery temper. Yeah.

715
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:59,800
He's a, which again, he's not one of the, he's not the maybe one who fell to chaos.

716
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:07,520
So he, he's still loyal. He's just, he's just grumpy, which I guess is still pretty perturabo

717
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,560
or dawn to be fair. Like dawn has a temper as well when he's a bit, but at least with

718
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,360
him, he's got the support. If you were just building walls and staving off all these things

719
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:21,920
like, Oh, no one gives me any respect. Yeah. Probably Dorn and or perturabo would be the

720
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:31,360
ones for him. And then the last one, Yin Yin. She's the ruler of the Eastern provinces and

721
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:37,240
the grand Admiral of Cathay's Navy. At one point with how the lauret cons worked because

722
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:42,120
the dragon Emperor used to be more of a position. Like it was an, you were an Emperor. Then

723
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:46,800
there was just the dragon Emperor. At one point when she was leading a fleet, she was

724
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:52,120
mistaken for the dragon Emperor, big dragon lady, you know, maybe Emperor is just like

725
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:58,120
a ceremonial title, kind of like how brotherhood is steel. There's still girls in it. But you

726
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,120
know, that was with the red cons and stuff. It wasn't, it was at one point, the Emperor

727
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:09,000
leading a big old fleet. Now it was her. She much like, you know, a lot of real Chinese

728
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,040
history, the rest of the dragon siblings, they're pretty inward looking. They don't

729
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:18,680
seek to, you know, go out and make a name. They're not about to make a name for themselves.

730
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:24,960
They're worried about internal affairs. Yin Yin, she wants to get out there, show everyone

731
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:29,640
the true might of Grand Cathay. She's about getting out there, expanding, setting new

732
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:38,880
routes up, all that kind of stuff. So as the grand Admiral, her favorite way of doing this

733
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:45,680
was to get big old fleets together and go out and sail and conquer. She's not good at

734
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:55,840
it. The country of Nippon is still independent. So if she's ever looked that way, didn't work.

735
01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:03,200
And a couple times she invaded Lustria. During one of those invasions, you know, I will,

736
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:08,600
I will give her credit. She put together like a massive fleet, like stretching across the

737
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:15,560
horizon, right? Real show in the might of Cathay. Good stuff. A couple of slain mage

738
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:20,160
priests, you know, the, you know, the fat frogs that are the most powerful wizards ever

739
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:26,460
looked out across the horizon, saw the encroaching line, the armada coming through and decided,

740
01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:34,360
I'm not a fan of that. So they drowned the entire thing with a tidal wave. Only Yin

741
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:39,960
Yin and one other dude survived who got stuck on Cathay and had to make his way, or got

742
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:49,400
stuck in Lustria, had to make his way back home. She's a, and I believe that's, that's

743
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,400
like, that's happened like twice.

744
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:59,640
Well, is it a case of she's actually, but she's just biting off more than she can chew.

745
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,440
Like, that's an opponent that like no one's going to be, or is it just, she's not good

746
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:04,960
at a job because...

747
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:11,800
It's not been expanded very much upon. She is like, has been described as like a little

748
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:18,160
bit too hotheaded, a little bit too throwing yourself into the fray. So again, she is still

749
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:24,400
a dragon sibling. So in the one V one, she can turn into a dragon and devour you. But

750
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:29,760
at least how I've taken the implication is that a little bit of both, sure. Losing to

751
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,480
a slan isn't like, that's understandable. They can just decide there's a mountain range

752
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:42,400
now, or funny enough, a tidal wave. Did not seem to come very well prepared for what she

753
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,680
knew would probably be a very tough challenge.

754
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:50,280
And is she the youngest sibling? Is that what it is? Like, oh, youngest sibling. I've got

755
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,280
to prove myself.

756
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:56,620
She's one of the younger ones. Definitely. I'm not sure if she's like, just flat out

757
01:15:56,620 --> 01:16:04,680
the youngest, but she's definitely one of the youngest. Yeah, she's tried conquering

758
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:12,600
Araby. No, she has fought the dark elves, which a little bit more successful. The dark

759
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:20,800
elves don't raid Cathay as often. So she's at least doing decently defending Cathay.

760
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:26,600
Every time she gets expansionist though, she wants to get out there and make a name.

761
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:34,240
For Cathay, a lot of Cathayans tend to drown. So, eh.

762
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:41,560
What a shame. You can't expand. You're supposed to be in this one space on the map like every

763
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:46,840
other faction. There's no expansion allowed. This is Total Warhammer. At least unless you're

764
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:47,840
playing the game.

765
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:55,840
Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. So those are the, those are the dragons. Then just a little bit more

766
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:00,880
we'll wrap up on just a little bit of like what Cathay brings, will hopefully one day

767
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:09,160
bring to the table. So it is, it has some of the finest troops, at least basic troops

768
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:14,200
in the Warhammer world, which is at least in Total Warhammer reflected because at like,

769
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:19,280
I think with just like a level one barracks building, you can already recruit some troops

770
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:27,000
that have like almost dwarf level of armor, hit pretty damn strong. They have a pretty

771
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:33,160
thriving industry, both for, you know, boring non-war stuff. And of course they've, for

772
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:38,280
example, there's the city of Nangau, which is if a Forge world was just one city, a lot

773
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:45,800
of smoke, whole lot of industry war machines pumping out constantly. It's just, I mean,

774
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:52,200
it's called the city of smoke, never fall into invaders. It produces endless amounts

775
01:17:52,200 --> 01:18:00,240
of like war machines, weapons, armor, mundane stuff. That is very much a militarized state.

776
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,680
Not all of it again, like the central province is pretty peaceful. You're allowed to focus

777
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:10,280
on you can, you can build the economy since he's got the peaceful place, but it is also

778
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:17,440
still very powerful when it takes the field. It does have some problems, of course, you

779
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:24,700
know, they're definitely, you know, very arrogant to what extent that's earned. Feel free to

780
01:18:24,700 --> 01:18:30,160
decide to yourselves. They believe they have the finest of anything in the, like the finest

781
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:36,040
weapons and armor in the land, which I'm sure the dwarfs would certainly take, take some

782
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:43,120
offense to, but there's minimal, there's fairly minimal interaction with the, like the dwarfs

783
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:49,520
so far between them and Cathay. So we don't know yet, but I imagine if, you know, one

784
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,040
of them told that to a dwarf, we have the finest metal and everything in the arm and

785
01:18:53,040 --> 01:19:00,600
whatever there'd be some grudging. The northern most provinces are of course boarded by the

786
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:08,640
great Bastion, which is big wall. You're not getting through. There's a lot of different,

787
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,800
like there's a, in the center of Cathay, that's where a lot of those floating islands are.

788
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:20,400
Some of this is going off like the total war hammer map, stuff like that. There's also,

789
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:26,000
there's a, they've, there's got like, they've got observatories where they train astromant

790
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,560
weapons because that's, astromantcers are officially sanctioned by the dragon emperor.

791
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:36,600
It is, he's a big fan of the school of magic, the wind of the heavens. Unofficially, there's

792
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:42,000
also a lot of gold alchemists going around because Xiaoming lets other people under him

793
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,120
also get a little bit wacky with the science projects.

794
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:51,960
Does he have a similar thing with the emperor way? He loves gold.

795
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:58,120
It's more jade because it's, you know, China. So it's not as much gold, but it's still like

796
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,800
the same obsession with the green rock.

797
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:08,240
Yeah. I got the green rock. No, not that one. The other one.

798
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:14,160
Yeah. There's a, yeah, there are a lot, like there are a lot of cities with like one sentence

799
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:19,960
of lore. For example, there's a city in the home to jade blooded sorcerers. We're called

800
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:26,400
Wen Chang, Wen Chang saying these, I'm probably going to butcher some of them. My bad.

801
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:32,640
Weijin is the capital city that mortals are allowed to enter. Not too much about it. Above

802
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:39,360
that is the celestial city, which it's in the clouds. It's the home of the dragon siblings.

803
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:46,240
It's just a big old city in the clouds. I imagine the forbidden city, but it flies.

804
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:53,680
In the West, the place that anyone who isn't Cathay in would most likely go to was called

805
01:20:53,680 --> 01:21:02,000
Shang Yang, which is where the Silk Road ends and the Imperials, the Thailans, the Stallions,

806
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:09,160
what country have you? They've all got ambassadors there with Cathay. It also surely draws a

807
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:15,200
whole lot of wizards and other less sanctioned sorts. It's a little bit of a, little bit

808
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:20,320
of a corrupt place. Not again, Xiaoming is the guy there. Not political corruption, more

809
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:25,760
of like you, please take the warpstone away, sir.

810
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:32,440
Yeah, we'll be right on that. Come here. Give me that. Give me that. Oh, it's Jade. Jade,

811
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:38,080
just put on the docket. Shipment of Jade. There we go. Pleasure doing business with

812
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,080
you.

813
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:50,360
And it's a, it's a, and a, oh, I guess one more thing. It is, like I said, arrogant people.

814
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:55,920
They have an ambassador to the Empire in Altdorf. She does not speak Reichspiel very well, you

815
01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:01,560
know, their language, not because she can't learn it. She doesn't care to very much.

816
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:11,080
Oh yeah. Better than Warhammer racism coming in. They're very haughty people. And yeah,

817
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:16,880
as for their armies, you've got vast lines of well-equipped infantrymen and, you know,

818
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:21,520
be they sword and shield or spearmen, very good crossbows, even if they're not, you know,

819
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:26,200
probably not quite as good as the dwarfs, better than the Empire, which, you know, kind

820
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:32,000
of fitting because real world China invented gunpowder. So sure enough, they've got like

821
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:36,680
plenty of different firearms. They've got not quite rifles, I don't think, but they're

822
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:42,840
definitely more accurate than just a volley of muskets. They've got good artillery. They've

823
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:48,040
got flame artillery. Do you know those like, like the lanterns that are like country, like

824
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:52,760
they release into the air and they're like glowing orange. What if they made it a hundred

825
01:22:52,760 --> 01:23:00,760
times as big and put a gun on it? They have a lot of those. And of course, you did mention

826
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:14,240
them. They have the, those terracotta statue guys, one of whom, Se Tang the Watcher, one

827
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:21,480
of the coolest things I've seen. Look at this man. Look, construct. Oh yeah. That's pretty

828
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:28,960
cool. Big bow, big bow, big flaming wings. And remember he's about 50 feet tall and on

829
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:33,800
fire and made out of rock. So if you think archery is all he's got, you're going to get

830
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:42,160
squashed. He's a, and that is largely, oh my God, while I was looking up an image of him,

831
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:47,080
someone made a almost one-to-one of him on Hero Forge where you can make your own minis.

832
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:54,280
That's really cool. Side, side track there. I just saw that. That is cool as hell. But

833
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:59,520
yeah, he's a, that's most of Cathay. Like I said, a lot of it is pretty still fairly

834
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:05,720
light. There's a lot of like one sentence descriptions of like this city is about this.

835
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:13,960
That city is about that. But I really do like what they've done with Cathay. It's like I

836
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:20,480
said before, if slash when, hopefully when, with the little teaser they did in LVO with

837
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:27,360
just had a screenshot of some forest and mountains that are a one V one for one of a piece of

838
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:32,160
Cathay and artwork. If you zoom into the right spot, hopefully we'll get an army. So more

839
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:39,080
lore would also be good, but you know what? Even if it's just minis, I'd be pretty content.

840
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:44,600
It's, it's, they'd be mad not to surely like, Oh, what a whole brand new army of something

841
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:49,920
that's already quite well liked in, in total Warhammer with a bunch of people who would

842
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:55,240
be like one wanting to have one for ages. And also a bunch of people will just go, Oh,

843
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:59,640
this is neat. This is new. I want that. Like they'd be mad not to make an army of Cathay

844
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:04,000
models. Cause like, there's only a few factions that don't have representation on the, on

845
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:09,960
the tabletop and cafe's such an oversight. Like just the stone Golem things alone. I'm

846
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:15,640
like, I bought that. That looks freaking cool. Big bow or a big sword or whatever. That'd

847
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,040
be awesome. Just put it on the table. Like, Oh, here's my arm. And it's just like, I brought

848
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:24,720
this and it's like, like a joy toy style size. Like that'd be quite funny. It's crushing

849
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:30,960
all your enemies on your enemy teams. A tabletop game. Yeah. Especially if they could nail

850
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:36,000
the transformation mechanics. Like, all right, I'm going to kill your decently tough general.

851
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,040
He's a dragon. Now this got a lot harder.

852
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:46,120
Yeah. Like I guess they would make like the humanoid versions of the dragon princes and

853
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:56,640
princesses, I suppose, because they're a bit more one, because there's like, yeah, yes.

854
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,880
So easy to produce. And also there's like a bit of a chance for the artists to have

855
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,760
some like Blair with their different armor and weapons and stuff. But it'd be cool if

856
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,680
they had like one or two that they also were like, here's an ascended version. Here's a

857
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:11,560
big spirally swoopy boopy one. Although I'm sure it'd be really easy to hit if it's like,

858
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:22,360
Oh, this tall archers hit it anywhere on the map. Yeah. Fire away. Oh, I guess for, you

859
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:28,800
know, this is a warhammer fantasy video, isn't it? That was all in the same way. Don't they?

860
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:39,800
Yeah. So the end times really quickly, they were like, there was still the end times for

861
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:45,400
total war hammer was even out and well before the third one gave them the glow up. So the

862
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:51,400
end times come and the chaos dwarfs en masse assault the great bastion and turn it into

863
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:57,280
a fortress. They, they take it. Resistance at first fails because there's a whole lot

864
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:02,640
of zinch worshipers in the court, the dragon emperor, but eventually big D comes down,

865
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:10,080
whips the forces into shape and then start, he starts pushing back against the chaos dwarfs.

866
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:15,880
Then the skaven start assassinating all their officials, which slows things down again,

867
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:21,900
but it's still big D. He leads his troops into the skaven like Warren's in the under

868
01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:30,480
empire of Cathay and clears Cathay of skaven, which he does good. Nice. He also, he keeps

869
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:38,040
pushing back. Chaos can't get to his capital. Just unable to like that even with the cast

870
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:42,880
dwarfs, the war engines and the millions of marauders can't get through dragon. Emperor's

871
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:49,280
holding the line and it's almost looking like Cathay's kind of cooking. What's this is pretty

872
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:56,960
good. And then Grimgor Ironhide with every orc ever, because they're all in one army

873
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:03,380
now and every ogre ever, because he took all of those with him to show up, destroy the

874
01:28:03,380 --> 01:28:08,800
great bastion who in fact, after they took it over the first time, they let the chaos

875
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:16,960
dwarfs re fortify it for a good fight. And then they burned it down again. Doesn't stop

876
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:25,000
clears out the rest of Cathay. The dragon emperor leads whoever's left in a big fleet

877
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:33,400
that carries them off to who knows where. And then the world blew up. There is a brief

878
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:42,480
moment they lost everything. Yep. So, you know, bright side. At the end of the day,

879
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:51,680
chaos still didn't win in the east. It was Gork and Mork. Small con relation to the Cathayans

880
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,720
are all dead. But it's like, oh, at least we didn't die to chaos. That would have been

881
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,960
embarrassing. Your souls aren't getting chaos corrupted. You just got murdered by Grimgor

882
01:28:59,960 --> 01:29:08,720
Ironhide. Yeah, there's a like I said, because this it was like almost 10 years after the

883
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:12,640
end times, most of the Cathayan lore came out. The new stuff anyway, don't really know

884
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:18,960
what happened to the dragon siblings. A couple guesses. Yuan Bo when he was sticking around

885
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:24,000
with the warpstone probably blew up when magic started running rampant. I'm assuming Yin

886
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:33,720
Yin just drowns somewhere. She did actually she's so arrogant that she thinks she thinks

887
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:39,680
these high elf dragon ships are named after her. Oh, no, they're not. They're named after

888
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:47,280
their dragons, which you want my best guess for her. She sailed the oath one to show those

889
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:52,160
damn prissy elves who's boss and then Taryn and Malekith started duking it out and she

890
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:55,280
got caught in the crossfire. That's what I like to assume happened to her in the end

891
01:29:55,280 --> 01:30:02,120
times. Yao Ying, pick your pick your flavor. Did she get killed by chaos dwarfs when they

892
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:10,000
showed up or did she get Grimgård? Both are equally valid and gruesome. Yeah, again, like

893
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:21,120
a Shiama probably got nagashed. There's a they haven't shown up in Age of Sigmar. So

894
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:28,160
I'm going to make some assumptions and say that they were not clean faiths. No. And to

895
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:33,600
be fair, I assume from GW standpoint, they were like, here's this faction we don't do

896
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:37,480
anything with at the time. We're not going to do a refresh in Age of Sigmar. We'll just

897
01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:42,200
let them be spirited away from Warhammer never to be seen again. And we'll just never mention

898
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:47,320
them in Age of Sigmar. Like, that's what I think they're doing. That's the that's the

899
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:53,080
precedent they've set right now. I like to see some miniatures in the old times, but

900
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:59,640
like, will it carry over to Age of Sigmar? I doubt it. But maybe we'll see how I guess

901
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:04,200
we see how well the sales do if they make the new army. I doubt it'll like, completely

902
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:08,840
come over to AOS. But I mean, that being said, if we get a really cool fantasy army out of

903
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:15,240
it, I'd still be pretty content. Especially with like the art the the the sculptors for

904
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:20,080
GW on like the fantasy Age of Sigmar side, getting them to sink their teeth into cafe,

905
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:25,760
like, hey, go nuts. Here's the template with what Warhammer's done. They could make some

906
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:30,680
cool stuff with that. They can do some stuff and all of the all of the fantasy minis that

907
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:36,520
are new with the old world like the the new Tomb King or the the big dragon, the new like

908
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:44,120
Ungermiron Fist, the dwarf, that new Empire general. They've all been pretty great looking.

909
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:50,880
So I'm hoping that when Cathay's come out, it'll be a totally new army as far as models

910
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:56,920
and quite frankly, rules go. So if it does come out and I'm hoping again with that teaser

911
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:01,600
that it's a when it comes out, not an if. I'm looking forward to what they're going

912
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:07,560
to produce, especially because boy Medieval Trident is really cool and I would love to

913
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:16,080
see an army of it. Yeah, it'd be good. Is there anything else to talk about then? I

914
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:21,960
was safe unless there's any other questions that is a that's about Cathay. Wow. Well,

915
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:27,160
again, I suppose it's just a case of I don't really have much to add. It's just they they'd

916
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:32,120
be insane not to make a new model range. It seems like they are from what you said about

917
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:35,960
like, I think I know the image you're talking about where it's like a teaser that they are

918
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:42,440
going to do that. And it's like the old the old world, if anything, is a way for GW to

919
01:32:42,440 --> 01:32:50,520
try new stuff, experiment and go back to what the fans want. So there's no reason not to

920
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:56,040
do Cathay. Yeah, I assume they're pretty much spent for like Total War DLC and game stuff,

921
01:32:56,040 --> 01:33:01,920
although maybe a new legendary Lord here and there or doubtful. Total Warhammer still got

922
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:08,080
some time and they did make a couple other dragon siblings that are still alive and around.

923
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:12,640
So I'm hoping we'll get at least one legendary Lord, although I kind of want the monkey guy.

924
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:20,080
I kind of want him before any other dragons. I like the monkey man. But yeah, so there's

925
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:26,360
I did just for the sake of there it is. That's the image. Kind of blurry, but oh, yeah, you

926
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:32,360
can see where they line up one to one. And I did again. Yeah, I saw that at LVO. I saw

927
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:41,200
that image. Yeah, that's definitely from there. Yeah. So real soft confirmation because it's

928
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:47,480
unnamed and it's just a screenshot of a mountain. But it's also that mountain. Yeah, from that

929
01:33:47,480 --> 01:33:52,680
one thing that's all about Cathay with no other factions presently. It's got to be actually.

930
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:58,760
And it'd be good. It'd be nice to see. But I guess if that's all that we can talk about

931
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:06,080
with Cathay, we hope you guys enjoyed our chat about them. Very cool faction. Not very much

932
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:10,400
in terms of lore until quite recently, very recently in terms of lore, considering how

933
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:15,840
old the franchises are. And also, I guess, let us know in the comments if you have any

934
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:21,120
other factions you want us to talk about. I'm assuming if they say like Araby or or Nippon,

935
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:26,240
we're going to go, um, 10 minute long video. There's not much to talk about them. If if

936
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:31,760
you want one of those, it would that would have to be like a combined minor human nations

937
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:36,640
one. Kislev. Yeah, probably could stretch that like Cathay. That could probably be another

938
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:43,240
one on its own. But if you want like Araby, Astalia, Tylea, we got to lump some folk together.

939
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:50,600
Yeah, we're not doing bespoke episodes. But again, there's all to be fair, quite a few

940
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,880
factions we still not talked about in the round, like they're still like wood elves.

941
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:59,120
There's technically we haven't talked about the Tomb Kings yet, or or Nagash and his stuff

942
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:04,240
we have talked about on the podcast, but not fancy fireside. There's still factions we've

943
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:10,360
yet to talk about. So please let us know in the comments about which ones you'd like to

944
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:18,320
have us chat about. And before we go is if if someone's curious about Cathay in specific,

945
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:21,480
I assume just say go play Total Warhammer free. That's probably the best way to experience

946
01:35:21,480 --> 01:35:26,840
them. Yeah, that's a that's a pretty good one. Your is also like I said, it's the I

947
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:31,200
think the Master of the Meteor Wind. That's a that's a fun short story about Cathay about

948
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Yuan Bo in particular. I'd recommend you read that. It's a I mean, it's like 30 pages, reading

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like 15 minutes. Good book. Good, good little story. Yeah, go play Total Warhammer. That's

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where again, a lot of this is coming from. And there is also some in the old world, core

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rules does talk a little bit about the dragons and then there. And if you if we raise enough

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money for law crimes, we will covertly plan a mission to break into the vaults of GW to

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find that original rule book. And then we will publish it on the internet for free.

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But we will need to get some like night vision goggles, we do get a helicopter or the essentials

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we'll need for it. We do have to get the we do got to get the heist equipment going, you

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know, that that doesn't just come out. The big underground drill that goes into the burrows

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into the side of the building and then goes up. Dr. Robotnik style like we need some equipment.

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But if we can, we'll get our hands on that original. Like, what would you call like resource

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that original like blueprint for the faction? Because I'm sure there's some fun stuff in

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that. Oh, yeah, I want to see. But other than that, we hope you enjoyed today's video. Let

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us know what you want us to cover in the future. We also have another project that we're working

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on, but we won't mention it just yet. Similar to fancy fireside. And yeah, other than that,

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I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. And we'll catch you later. Bye, everyone. Take care,

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everyone.