Your time starts Hal in 3, 2, 1, begin.
My voice is charming, my voice disarming, got Primox wrapped around my fingers for the words I'm imparting.
F*** I hate it, Colchis. I plucked off Scorpion's tails.
I manipulate, I deceive, secrets I plunder. Manfred cries just like my fat mother.
Why can't it be more like Erebus as I tear out a Sophagus?
Scheme's running like it's office hours. He can't even stand ux in my prowls.
With my anathame blade, I cut fools like butter. Teleportation and demons, did I stutter.
Bro out here looking like the poster for abstinence. Calv was an act of self-defense.
I cut the galaxy in two. I ruined Storm like no other.
Bald Gandalf over here, jealous because Conrad was the better brother.
Horus mutilated my face and I didn't flinch.
Argletal deserved it. That's why his back felt that pinch.
They hate me because they turned and I did not.
Bro looks like he parked in his scuffles for the good spot.
Hello ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it's Law Crimes. We've got an interesting episode today.
Eli, could you best describe what we're going to attempt? I don't think anyone's ever done this
in the history of Warhammer YouTube before, but can you attempt to summarize what we're going to
attempt today? I think we have two strong contenders, we have two goats of Warhammer
fantasy, Warhammer 40k, two of the best characters ever made, I think widely loved, widely appreciated
for their efforts. Both are the sole creators of their own settings, so that's pretty cool.
We will have Hal defending Erebus, and Colin will be defending Madfred, and we'll be deciding
who is the greater of the two. Do we even want to win?
I would say before we start, I'm really excited for you and me to both get a minute into the
first round and then sit there struggling for nice things. It's going to get real quiet shortly
into each of our sections. I feel like a pro tip would be don't worry about nice things they've
done, it's probably a better strategy to be here's the worst things they could have done.
Like, oh, they didn't do this. That was a good thing, I suppose.
I have a slight confession, which is my part one will be quite, I'm just going to get the
facts straight in part one. But to be honest, my part two has no facts. It's entire, it's in my
part two and three is entirely slam poetry. And I'm not joking.
Wow. So we're building up to something here for the beautiful viewers.
I'm afraid that, oh, I'm afraid I do not have slam poetry for everyone. So this is already
not looking good for Colin. I never won a first.
Although I should say, I think to be honest, has anyone won other than Colin?
I've won. Beelzebub.
I've won. Beelzebub. Yeah.
If we count the chat board that is. And I think we do.
Ah, the Commonwealth WL, I should say. I think the thing is also this episode will be unique in that
the third round, we're going to have a bit of a twist on how we do things. So without further
ado, we've got five minutes for either one of you. Do either of you have a preference of who starts?
That will be me.
Hell seems to want to go first, and that's fine with me.
Because I'm eager for Colin to react, to be the one reacting to my slam poetry later.
If people were like any of our stuff, we should always say it's the beginning. We always forget.
We have more.
We do have more. I keep reading the web. Also, please like and subscribe. I beat him. I beat you, Mike.
We're going to start traditional here, though. This is an actual fact-finding mission. And then
it's just going to be, I mean, I'm not proud of what I've written later. There's some horrific
lines. People are ready for these. They've already know what I've, I haven't even written Poopknife,
but I should have.
I'm actually trying to win this one because I have a chance because he's representing Manfred.
Why did he call me Cleoene?
So, Hal, in the blue corner, defending Erebus. Are you ready?
I'm defending Erebus. Okay, let's do this.
I'm ready. I'm ready. You knew what you were signing up for. Okay. Your time starts in,
you got five minutes. So your time starts in three, two, one, begin.
Lords, ladies of the court, I would like to first address with my first point that my opponent's
character is a bitch. That is essentially my first point, but I'd like to actually talk up Erebus
because Erebus has one above Manfred, which is he's an interesting character. So my pure
psychotic baby was born in the world of Colchis and like every good story, it starts off with a,
like the world is just shit. I mean, there's nothing interesting going on. It's kind of like
UK, I'll be honest. It's kind of like the UK, but worse. But poor Erebus was born, you know,
my dude absolutely suffered. He had a fat mother and you know, his guy was barely around. So he's
already had the odds stacked against him. He had a terrible childhood in the desert. You know,
like he said before, nothing interesting happens other than religion in deserts, because there's
nothing else to do. That's his own word saying that, not me, not directing into anybody. He had
that terrible phrase of someone said, why can't you be more like Erebus? Erebus, the little village
boy who was pure and amazing. Well, you know what, sometimes you need to adapt and survive. And why
couldn't he be more like Erebus? So he garroted Erebus. And I'm not gonna lie, enjoyed it because
he's a guy who likes taking pleasure in things he does. You know, he's a happy go lucky dude. So he,
you know, got rid of Erebus. Why can't I be more like Erebus? So he became the next best thing
after becoming Erebus. Erebus, a priest, why not? Why has he become a priest? For drinking,
for gambling. My dude has hoes. He said he became a priest for the hoes. But sadly, like all the
words in the internet, this was not the life for him. Because somebody had their little twinkle
eye upon my boy. Erebus was chosen by the dark gods of chaos. The four gods of chaos went,
that's the dude. I'm gonna move on, Jesus. So the curse gods went up to Erebus and they were like,
you're, we can't choose Primarchs or any other thing. We need Erebus. And he's just a regular
dude. So they thought, you know, screw it, let's just go for this guy. Clearly, if they see greatness,
why can't we? My dude literally survived an ascension to becoming an Astartes as an adult,
which is extremely painful. And no one is extremely rare to even do. Erebus is charming. The dude is
amazing to be around great dinner parties. And then he was like, you know what? I like this
Imperium. I'm gonna ruin it. I'm gonna make Warhammer 40k. And so my dude sowed the Imperial,
you know, chaos taint in Imperial cults around every single world. He manipulated Lorgar. He
stood before the Emperor and the Emperor couldn't sense that this guy was corrupted by chaos.
I don't know if that means the Emperor is a loser. Or he says Erebus is that good. My dude's
literally beaten Saul Tarvitz in combat. He's beaten little Horus in combat. He's beaten Torgadon
in combat as well. He almost beat Lucius. But again, thanks, thanks, Dan. My dude literally
glass an entire civilization with the Interrex by stealing the anathame dagger. Whoops, you know,
they didn't even know to be around fouls. You know, they were disgusting, horrible. And he got rid
of it. Lovely. He died, literally had died, went into the warp, manipulated Horus to chaos, and
then got better. My dude literally died and got better. He architected all the Isfarn massacres.
So every victory is basically Erebus is like, this is my plan, bro. He trained with the anathame
blades, the point in which he could teleport between worlds. But most people forget that he
can actually do that. Do can literally slice between reality. Calth was self defense. Calth was
burned one billion points to how you know, Calth. Thank you, Erebus bro created the bro created the
ruin storm. He didn't need out on uncated to throw a whole thing out planet. My dude literally did
it just by putting a few ingredients together and managed to bring us all together. Big bonus. He
killed the Primarch mother. Literally, he killed your mom, bro. Like, he got a slashed it down.
He tried to kill John grammatica so many times. God Dan Ablett, please let him kill drunk master.
The dude had literally has greater demons in his cloaks. Like he just walks around with like four
greater demons at all times. I don't know what man for it could possibly do against any of that
dude literally has like two different books of Nagash and things. He's like the greatest thing
ever. He literally created 40k. So we are employed by the actions of Erebus. So anyone who doesn't
like their employment, their feel free to give it up. And I mean, at the end of the day, Erebus
Erebus actions created 40k Manfred created ages Sigma. I think just leave it at that.
And your time is up. You're done. You're done. I knew he was good, but I'm he really is actually
goaded. I mean, I was saying that because you believe that or because you heard Kalth is
self-defense. I don't know. I don't know very well now has has opened my eyes a little bit.
There were some solid points in between. He literally killed your mom. You know, I kind of,
I was getting a little bit lost in the sauce with some of those points, but they were pretty good.
I will admit, I think to be honest, as far as judge critique goes, I think I'm tethered to
how because I've taken some notes about that with Manfred. My fantasy law is a bit limited. So I think
Eli is going to have to scrutinize Collins points a bit more because you know more about the law
than I'd only a little bit. But I've taken some notes. Bring it, Colin. Bring it. Colin, are you
ready? Aye, aye, captain. Aye, aye, captain.
Oh, under the sea.
So to your list.
I have I have had a bottle of wine, but I'm okay.
A couple of times.
Are you ready? Let's go. Three, two, one and begin.
So I feel, you know, we're talking about Manfred von Karstein, and I think the first thing I'm going
to bring up is that he's the son of Vlad von Karstein, which is already, you know, that's
heavy backing in your corner for how great you're going to be. Not necessarily great, you know,
great hero, but you're going to do some pretty great things. You're Vlad von Karstein's son.
I mean, come on now. But, you know, aside from that, something about Manfred that I think puts
him above Erebus is that Manfred's pretty self-made man. He was gifted vampiric.
He was gifted vampirism by Vlad. But after that, there was no backing of all four chaos gods in his side.
Manfred needed more knowledge. So he set up schemes to put Conrad in power, which would
lead to him taking power later on, because Conrad, his brother, is a little bit of a
little bit of a nut job, a little bit of a fad of twisting the heads off of rabbits.
And by rabbits, I mean people. Meanwhile, Manfred would go across the entire world in an age
where sail travel is still kind of the best they got. He went around the whole world.
He studied magic from Nehekara, Lustria, history, all sorts of different things. Manfred did all of
this himself. And on his own, he nearly took down the empire. You know, it took the empire and the
dwarfs to take him down, which is pretty good swinging, because at that point he was one of
the only major vampires left after a little bit of infighting on Conrad's part.
But let's go, let's move past that. Let's talk about Transformers for a second.
You know who's awesome? Starscream. Starscream's a piece of shit. But everyone loves watching him
try and beat the hell out of, like, Takeover Megatron's place. That is what Manfred brings
to Warhammer. Erebus is like a lap dog for, you know, the nearest important guy around. Manfred
is, he has like pretty damn big ambitions. He's like, every time he's with someone, he's going to
take him down and like trying to, and I'll give him credit. It's not, you know, again, when I say
great, I don't mean good. He too, he got Vlad. He's the reason Vlad died. Is that a morally good
thing or anything? No, we all love Vlad. But it proves that Manfred's cunning and ambition can
can make him take down the people that are above him. And it's, he's just been, he's a magical
powerhouse. He's one of those people that are up there with, you know, the greatest of elves and
other sorcerers in the setting, which again, he did not need to magic up some chaos blades or
anything for that for his betters. He was like, no, I'm going to do this on my own. And he did.
You play him in Total Warhammer, he can obliterate people. You play him on the tabletop. I've seen
what the purple son of Xereus can do. What if that formation just wasn't here anymore? What if I got
rid of it? Hey Manfred, that's what he's bringing to the table. He's powerful. He's, he is charismatic.
That's the thing. A lot of people only think about the end times. He was able to convince
Gottrick to fight alongside him for a little bit. You got to be pretty damn charismatic to be a
vampire, anyone to convince Gottrick to fight with you, let alone an undead. He was able to do it.
He was able to do it. You know, speaking of, you know, people like to call Manfred, you know,
by people, right now, I mean, Hal, call him a bitch. You know, for example, let's, you know,
let's bring up, oh, who is he ran from? Well, again, when he resurrected Gottrick, would you know
what? Yeah, I'm a bitch too. I'm not taking that fight. I know what kind of story I am in if I see
that dwarf in his blonde sidekick. I'm out. I'm leaving. Oh, who else did he not, Nagash? I'm not,
I'm not picking that 1v1 either. You don't win that. And speaking of, oh, he's got the books of
Nagash, which he learned on his own. There was no cliff notes. He had to take those, find them,
learn for them himself, which means he has the book of someone who on their own, well, he has
two of the books of someone who on their own nearly defeated the Chaos Gods on multiple occasions,
which, you know, I'd have to say that's pretty damn impressive. And, you know, speaking of,
he created a setting, yes, Eli, in the most generous way possible. The End Times was character
assassination because Manfred's was a very cunning person, a very like brilliant cunning bastard,
but a very cunning, intelligent person. But the world had to blow up and Manfred's right there.
So I guess we got to do what we got to do. Thank you, GW authors. But from that, we get Age of
Sigmar, which speaking of, oh, you like being employment. I'm sorry. I didn't know that I only
made 40k videos. I must have gotten lost when I was looking through my catalog. AOS, you know,
he did. He made this setting with the best models Warhammer has ever seen, bar none. So, you know,
thank you, Manfred for that. You don't have Manfred. You don't get the Idon't Net Deepkin. You
don't get OCR Bone Reapers. You don't get a whole lot of beautiful model ranges. And again, he
survived. So Manfred, you're done. Get out of here. You got to get out of here. Okay. Opening
statements. I think Colin confused someone who works in the modeling department for being called
Manfred because that's not his business. Crazy. Who made Age of Sigmar happen? Who stabbed Gelt?
Who stabbed Gelt? Who stabbed Gelt? I mean, you lost fantasy. Who stabbed Gelt? Who stabbed Gelt?
Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't. Crazy. Who stabbed Gelt, Hal? Yeah. Your boy. You say we lost fantasy,
as if I'm not looking at my box of Tomb King miniatures right behind me. Oh, I've got something
for that for round two. Don't you worry. The bald allegations will be discussed. All right.
Before you guys continue the bicker. So opening statements are done. And I focus mainly on
Erebus because I know Erebus a bit more than Manfred. So to start with Hal, biggest
woe I had with your opening statements. Man, oh, he's got like a French coat full of demons.
Pretty cool. Can't kill a John Grammaticus? Bish. What are you talking about? You can't kill a
John. The guy even has respawns. How do you not kill John Grammaticus? That's basic. Basic. Yeah,
basic. How does Erebus get past? Can't kill the most annoying character in Warhammer. And I know
for a fact Mr. Dredden on was in the chat earlier saying whoever wins, we lose Mr. Dred as my witness.
How can you claim that Erebus is worse if he can't kill a John? That's so basic. First of all,
I'd argue that particularly for this setting, first of all, Dan Abner is going to let us suffer
John Grammaticus no matter what. My second point is who else is actually trying to kill a John
Grammaticus, huh? You're going to slow down, you're going to knock on the guys actually trying
to kill the most annoying character? You want to stop him? I didn't think so. Why is everybody
not cheering him on? Yeah, Erebus. Get that Grammatic. Cussy. I don't know.
I mean, technically Vulcan killed John because when he stabbed him with the Fulgurite, they both
blowed. Oh yeah, and that worked, didn't it? Looks like he's gone forever. Oh wait, he's not immortal
anymore. That's the thing, John's now mortal and he couldn't kill him when he was mortal.
Didn't you enjoy him just being hunted by Erebus though? You were like, get it. You know what I mean?
Like, come on. Erebus, get it to you. I'm not sure I'm excited about Manfred killing any character.
I'm not like, yeah, Manfred, get it. There's no character I'm like, Manfred is, I'm so excited to
see Manfred go attack someone. Also, you could say like Erebus killed the mum of the Primarchs,
but let's be honest, Erda's not everyone's mum. Like, Gillamum is the best Primarch.
She paid self-support. It's fine. Yeah. Did she? Did she? In spirit. No, she was like,
I'm going to send you to like boarding school via hell. Like, that's not like, I didn't cry
a single tear when she was gone. I got to be honest. Well, I'm not sure Erebus is responsible
for her mother skills, to be honest. At least he, well, the only thing he's responsible for
is for ending the potential piss poor mother skills. What would you rather have dad who
only views you as a weapon or mom who throws you into hell? Yeah. There's like the move forward
and move back thing, isn't it? You know, if you're sandwiched between two people, it's a difficult
choice. Yeah, you're four inches in the emperor, but the Erebus is four inches in you. Four? Is
that all we talking? Just four? Four's a nose-shape. What's going on? I think four's actually pretty big.
It's pretty impressive. Is it? Yeah, her nose is here. Is it? Anyway, the main point I wanted to
bring up as well is that Hal also said, oh, Erebus orchestrating the Cal fatrosity. I think you'll
find sir. Cor Phaeron was a bit more in depth with the atrocity of Cal. He was the one who was the
frontline commander. Yeah, I'm sure he says that. He was the one who was orchestrating it. He was
the one in charge. And also, bit cringe, Erebus had his face ripped off by Horus. Bit cringe.
Isn't it? My dude, is this just grossed out shit? What do you mean is it cringe when your face is
ripped off? My dude had his face ripped off and stood there and took it like a man and didn't
even flinch. I mean, I guess he could have as many questions as he wants. I don't know. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay, leave me be. I was on the freaking palpon right now.
All right, Eli, it's your turn to rip into common, I suppose. Yeah, all right. Well, firstly,
did Manfred get as close to taking over the Empire as Vlad did? He didn't, right?
He came very close. And while perhaps he did not quite get to the walls of Altdorf,
Manfred was a bit more held together. And unlike Vlad, Manfred had to deal with the combined might
of man and dwarf. So Manfred was coming from a bit of a lesser position, as it were. And with that,
he still managed to run them around for, I believe, Manfred's vampire war was longer than Vlad. So
not quite as explosive as Blitzkrieg as Vlad put forth, but Manfred was able to keep it going for
a lot longer. And he was able to run the Imperials and the dwarfs around for far longer than Vlad was.
And wouldn't it make more sense for him to work with Vlad?
That's why I said that he does great things, not in the sense of, you know, great, isn't that's a
great idea. He does impactful things. I said again, I brought up Starscream. Starscream's a goddamn
idiot, but we all love seeing him do his thing. That's how I view Manfred. God, man, you know,
he does a lot of things that perhaps don't make the most sense, but it's fun to watch what he
puts into motion just happen. Like if nothing else, when Manfred starts scheming, he's like,
nothing else. When Manfred starts scheming, you know, something interesting is going to happen,
which, you know, that, you know, I think that's for storytelling and reading an interesting,
you know, novel or whatever. I think that's more valid because if the book was, you know, Manfred
does everything super perfectly with no character, you know, like motivations for why he wouldn't
work with Vlad. It's like all the, and then they went, but with that, you know, we get Manfred,
we get to see what he does when he's just, he's out for number one and Manfred's number one, baby.
Who is he sabotaging? How's he going to do it? I'm pretty interested to see. And let's not pretend
that Manfred going to the greatest thief in the empire is not at least a little bit like fun to
read about. He just needs one win though, right? Like just give him one. Does he have any? He's
got, he's gotten some wins. Does he have any? You're right. He did potentially kidnap that elf
child. Does he have any one of the ones as impressive as the one of the ones mentioned for
Erebus? Just power scale talking. Power scale talking, he, again, he does tend to high tail it
out of there, but if you'll hear me out on this one, that's because Manfred shoots for the goddamn
moon, which means he's, he's not even going against the A-listers. He's going against the S-listers,
which again, you know, tangoing with Gottrick and living. I think that's pretty goddamn impressive
that he wasn't just turned into smear, which they did meet again after the first book where, you
know, they're present for his resurrection. He started fighting Gottrick and then the sun started
coming up and he was fighting Gottrick. I'm leaving, which, you know, I'm, I'm sorry for the lack of,
you know, the definitive kill. Someone dies. I think that shows smarts for one, you know, he dips
out, but he does have some one v ones. Like I know he, he did help, like he fought Arkhan a lot,
which, you know, was again interrupted with, you know, Nagash saying, please shut the fuck up,
both of you. But he's at the very least able to keep pace, you know, with Ark and the Black,
Nagash's most trusted and knowledgeable lieutenant. So I would argue that's not a win, you know,
because again, the Gash would always go, please, the both of you calm down, but he's able to,
he's able to go toe to toe with someone who has been alive for about 10,000 years
and hasn't stopped, you know, gaining necromantic knowledge since. So he's definitely up there.
I'm going to beat this dude into a 240. You're going to do slam poetry.
Before we do that, should we get through some don't eyes?
Oh, yeah. I just got called sticky. Not a fan.
Donkeyman USA for five bucks stream late because Hal was too busy gooning to
Arabus's smooth ball. He does shave his head. Smooth plastic bag.
Do you want to read this one? Thank you for being a member for eight months. Plastic bag. Eli throwing it back when you probably know.
He's here. He's here. Welcome. I'm excited for this stream and also gay. Thank you.
Thank you, Jack. Every time. Oh, bunny caught for two bucks says this versus episode is going to be
very whelming. Yeah, this is we're not gassed about this, but it has to be done.
I just want to talk to someone for five bucks. I know exactly who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude
described disguise as another dude. Alphari is probably and he's real for that. Maybe he's Arab.
He's not far off. Donkeyman USA five bucks. I hate to say it, but today I'm house. Sorry, Colin. I must
betray thee. Thank you. I'm filled with this trailer. Tom Warren, thank you for the $5.
Not Warhammer related, but I've recently seen online that the English pronunciation of sauce
is weird and wrong. How and Andy, can you say sauce, please? Sauce. Sauce. And I need to learn
if this is true. I don't know if that answers your question. I hope it does. They said they say like
sauce. We say sauce doesn't really matter. So I'm going to put this on my sandwich. I'm American.
I'm near the city of Chicago, which by the way, if you say Chicago, you need to be from Chicago.
I'm going to put the sauce on my sandwich. No, you said it's Chicago, Chicago, Chicago, Chicago,
Chicago, Chicago, Chicago, like my pants. You know what? I fuck sending you to the shadow realm.
I'm sending you to the streets. Brandon Wave King. I think it's a new day. I'm going to be real
with you all. Manfred looked at the end of the entire world with him on it and still decided to
betray all existence for the Lord. Have you ever met a man as committed to the bit as Manfred Von
Karstein? I don't think so. I'm not like Manfred and Erebus were both like this could go horribly
wrong and they both still did that stuff. And they both sent it, baby. I can't read this one.
I'll read it. You know, I was going to bring that up shortly, but you know, we'll double back on
this don't know later. Lord Delusion with the ten. Erebus gets clowned on by Karn and flees with his
tail between his legs. Mandred serves the most glorious Nagash alongside all stars,
like the kind and noble blood rose prince man for the win. Exactly. Manfred hanging out with
the man who deserves the world and the mortal realms under his control.
We have this from the set. Two dollars chat. I'm gay. Cass. Hi. Hi. Hello.
Hello. Mr. Taz of five bucks. Colin views Mandred's actions as interesting.
Colin thinks ends times were interesting confirmed. We look they are they're interesting.
And like, you know, you see a train wreck and you're like, I can't look away. This is horrible.
But, you know, I can't look away. I didn't say it was good. I said it was interesting.
And being a second zombie. Jesus Christ. Thank you. Thank you. All right. The second Vargaise
has struck the college of sounds like someone's breaking out. I'm ready. It's just a storm.
Friends. All right. OK, how I preface this is from the perspective of Erebus, a slam poetry.
All right. OK, well, we'll see how this goes. Hang on. Rare is Pepe. You can go straight to hell.
How dare you call me a stir Lander? You just put that in number one. Where is rare as Pepe?
I glass that fucking hole to the ground. Does YouTube have like timeouts and stuff like
Twitch? We don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so we could put the user in timeout, but I don't want
to because it's funny someday. And that man out forever will abuse our power someday. No,
no. Anyway, your time starts howling. Three, two, one, begin. This is the voice of Erebus.
My voice is charming. My voice disarming. Got Primarchs wrapped around my fingers for the words
I'm imparting. Fuck, I hate it. I plucked off scorpions tails. I manipulate. I know. Sorry.
I'm the man of the house. Whilst Lorgar Wales. I manipulate. I deceive. Secrets I plunder. Manfred
cries just like my fat mother. Why can't it be more like Erebus? As I tear out a Sophagus. Schemes
running like it's office hours. He can't even stand up to my prowess. Murder makes my blood run.
Unlike you bitch scum who created the end sum of your whole setting. It's just upsetting. How
the Anathema's sons are my plaything. Discount Vlad can't conquer Altdorff but just keeps failing.
With my Anathame blade, I cut fools like butter. Teleportation and demons, did I stutter. Bro out
here looking like the poster for abstinence. Calv was an act of self-defense. Sorry. I cut the galaxy
in two. A ruined storm like no other. Bald Gandalf over here. Jealous. Because Conrad was the better
brother. Horus mutilated my face and I didn't flinch. Argotal deserved it. That's why his back
felt that pinch. They hate me because they turned and I did not. Bro looks like he parked nidsculls
for the good spot. I am the hand of destiny. My actions created a setting. I wield monsters with
one hand while he's still bed wetting. Bro's skin is like shade of a car.
Whilst I killed the Primarch's mum, at least in my story, I won.
That's it. Wow. You still got a minute left. I know. I have nothing else to give.
Anything else? You got a minute. I think Chad liked it. He's given up. He's given up.
Is that Airbus flow? Oh my god. Because I couldn't get through it at some part. I just would like to
reiterate. Bro looks like he parked nidsculls for the good spot is my favourite. Bro's skin,
the shade of cum. Whilst I killed the Primarch's mum, at least in my story, I won.
Wow. There he is. That's a pretty interesting strategy to try and get some points from the
audience in the second section. We've never had a beat flow for the worst person imaginable. Hey,
at least I'm not. At least there's not a ball ganged off. And me and Eli stripped off naked
during one versus. So like, it's quite a bar to match. I hate to say there's also a part two
coming up. Oh god. Oh my gosh. We're not done. All right, we got a round two with slamboats.
I can't believe anyone's impressed or stunned. I'm entertained. Right.
Your turn. Colin, dare I ask, are you ready for your segment? Tentatively.
Tentatively? Well, bear in mind, you have one extra minute that Hal issued from his... So
technically speaking, you have more information to cram into three minutes. Yeah, I do have to
compete with the slam poetry. I am ready though. Could you do a rap?
No, I don't think I have that. No, no. Just on that, I do not have that in me.
Beatbox. So the music, unfortunately, will not be coming from Colin. He's Manfred.
Can't do that. Like, no. Okay. Fair enough. Okay, your time starts in three, two, one, begin.
Okay, so for the start, I think we're going to give some unconventional prose for Manfred
von Karstein. Let's say, you know, you're a bit of a schemer. You need something taken care of.
You should get Manfred because if he wins, your enemies have been taken care of. If he loses,
which, you know, is not a non-zero chance. Your enemies are weakened and Manfred is weakened.
So you don't have to worry about that taking you out in the back line. Manfred is the perfect person
to send out if you just need to cause carnage because what he does, he causes carnage. A second
zombie horde has struck Altdorf. Exactly. Everyone's weakened. It's time for you to come out.
But on the topic of baldness, because I had something for this, let's say, you know, Erebus,
not the, he's gross bald. Like, come on, there's skin flaps from when he got his face cut off
and just cast mutations. It's nasty. Manfred, imagine you're lost in the wilderness, right?
You got a flashlight. You shine that on Manfred's head. It's like the fucking batch signal in the
air. Everyone is going to find you. Alternatively, you got to blind your enemy. That's like the
Dragon Ball Z solar flare. Put that on Manfred's head. No one can see. It's like a second sun has
risen over the land. There's a lot of things Manfred can do that if you think about it,
pretty useful like that. You know, I would argue. But let's, you know, let's move beyond that a
little. Let's circle back to what was said before. Manfred is hanging out with Nagash, Arkan,
Neferat, some real greats of the Warhammer world who've lived far longer than he does.
And he made it to the next setting. So Manfred is so powerful and useful to Nagash, who as we all
know is the most benevolent, loving ruler who deserves to have all under his control. Then
Nagash brought him back for a second setting. That's what Manfred does. That's what Manfred
brings to the table. And again, just you're hanging next to Nagash. That's cool. Who's Erebus
hanging out with? People who hate him, people who would like to beat the shit out of him,
people who have beat the shit out of him. And you might say, but Nagash does that to, you know,
Manfred too. Only Nagash can do that to Manfred because Nagash is powerful enough. No one else
can handle it. But you know, if Nagash is doing something, it's good and just because Nagash is
doing it. Whereas, you know, Erebus is just getting slammed down on people for no other reason than
they can. Oh, I hang out with demon primers. Yeah. What do they think of you, Erebus? What do they
think of you? Not much, but Manfred. Manfred is a feared figure. Erebus is like, oh, it's Erebus.
You're gross. Manfred, people don't like him. But when Manfred's around, he's scary. He fought Gelt
and I don't, as a stormcast, and almost won and put Gelt on the back foot. So, you know, Manfred's
terrifying. And if you're lost in the wilderness, spotlight. That's the time. That's the time. Wow.
Okay. So, well, I must admit, coming hot off the heels of that Erebus, I don't even know how to
pull that. Crime against humanity might be the best term to describe it.
That Erebus flow. But that's like the equivalent of being like, oh, I'm going to do like the
gering flow. Like, no, don't do that, please. Please don't. Please no. That's bad. War crimes.
But Colin makes a valid point. Erebus got no bishes. Erebus got no friends. Discuss.
I have an easy response to that. Is Nagash supposed to be his friend? Is this not the same Nagash who
he read Manfred's mind when he was being resurrected and said, that little leech is going to betray me.
He resurrected Vlad von Karstein in quote, unarmored and unarmed. And he bitch slapped Manfred,
who had all his gear. And then he gave the von Karstein ring to Vlad and basically went, all right,
Manfred, you could be part of my crew, but I'm actually giving your role to Vlad because you suck.
And he's supposed to be friend. Am I allowed to respond to this? Because that seemed rather pointed at me.
Go for it. My simple response to that is that Nagash did it and therefore there was no need to
criticize it because Nagash does something. All is going to plan and Nagash's will, which is all
reaching and all powerful and benevolent. And, you know, Nagash didn't kill him on the spot,
which clearly means Manfred has far more worth than Erebus. So he brought him to the next setting.
By the way, you forgot to mention he brought him to the next setting to punish him, to torture him
because he hates him so much. And because Manfred is powerful. But again, you're reaching outside
of the bounds of what we're talking about. If Nagash does something, it is the correct course
of action and therefore right. I need not explain that. Chad, come on, please. The power of Nagash.
Don't bring in Nagash. Nagash isn't in this. You're bringing him up.
Regardless of friends, because I don't think either of them have friends, what about family?
Erebus's family is just like, oh, Erebus, you should be more like Erebus, unknown named child.
We'll call him Kevin. Kevin, you should be more like Erebus. Like whatever happened to mummy and
daddy seems like a bit of a character flaw to me. Not looking after your mum and dad.
In all fairness, though, daddy issues is kind of the whole setting. I don't know if either of our
characters killed his dad. Yeah, Manfred did. Manfred plotted against every family member he's
ever had. I'm pretty sure his armour is made from the dust of his family. So. Well, like Kratos.
He murdered other von Karsten.
They turned their bones and ashes into enchanted magical armour. This is what you call an insult.
This is a point against Manfred that he has vampiric bone armour.
If it was meant to be like how he treats family, then yeah. God. Oh, how does Erebus treat family?
Oh, they get exactly what they deserve. Although.
The other von Karsten. OK, yeah, sure. Before I pass it on to Eli, though.
Conrad's a nice guy. With Manfred, like, what's his relationship with his family, the Karsteins?
Is he? I mean, he's not in good terms, I assume.
I would say that he came out on top and after that, who gives a shit? Erebus clearly didn't come out
on top because it's amazing. You know, I don't remember anyone being super excited for what
Erebus is doing. It's all what is Lorgar, our other demon primarchs, doing. Manfred in the mortal
realms, he's got a whole realm populated by people he made to look like his family because he's better
than them and he won. Erebus doesn't get to do that. Manfred did. So family relations? Not
a lot. Family relations? Neither of them are great. Manfred's winning, though. Erebus is not.
It sounds like someone who made loads of dolls or their family members and then said, I'm winning.
Like, that is lonely as hell. This is. Bro. Erebus doesn't have family, he has followers, bro.
He's on a demon world and he controls half of them, like nearly the full health word bearers
legion. My dude has like resources. Manfred has his own pocket place where no one wants to go
because it's dog shit. Erebus has one demon world of people who hate him. One demon world? Manfred has
followers and agents who are magically bound to him across eight different realities. How lonely.
One of those seems a lot better. One of those seems a whole lot more effective.
All right, I'm ready for. Eli, would you like to persecute these two?
Well, how could you? In what world is Manfred not
trolling by killing Gels without any knowledge of Age of Sigmar happening afterwards? He knew that
the world was going to explode if that happened and he didn't know what would happen after that,
right? He had no idea that Age of Sigmar was going to happen. He just ended the world just because.
I have two answers to that, one of which is meta and one of which is not. One of which I
briefly mentioned earlier was GW decided the world had to end and it was just outright character
assassination, which is not a fate unique to Manfred by any means. There are a whole lot of
other people who put on the goofy hats and stopped making sense there. That was just the last in a
long line of really bad moment. Holy shit. Thank you very much. We'll come back to that when we're
done with between rounds. But yeah, that was the end of a long line of decisions of the stupid
ball being the fucking mermaid man and barnacle boy, the orb of stupidity being handed to a
character and then setting them loose. In the universe, you know what's great? Someone so
committed to the bit, so committed to being a spiteful asshole that they take down the world
out of spite. You know what? Because if I want someone to make an impact, it's great to have
these heroic motivations or like Arkeon, someone who's lost everything and just wants to see the
world burn. Someone who brings down everyone and does it, not tries to, does it because they're so
committed to being a petty asshole, they would rather have the world blow up than let their dad
win? God bless you, Manfred von Karstein. You may be an asshole, but you are a committed asshole.
Wow. Damn. I don't think Erebus has that in him. I think he'd pull back if the galaxy was about to
be destroyed. You know who didn't? Manfred. Full send it, baby. You're all coming down with me.
To be fair, Erebus is all about self-interest. That's kind of anathema to his whole thing. He's
like, I want to get mine and then live forever and be greedy. And that's kind of, it was like
Manfred's was like, screw it, nihilism. Oh no. Strange to celebrate the success. We're talking
about two characters that are like manipulative. They like scheme, they're intelligent, they are
powerful. And yet one character was like, I won my game and I got everything else out I wanted
from it. And the other guy went, the equivalent of like the child kicking the toys because some
of the kids got to play with it. And then this dude here went, that's amazing. And like what the hell
are you talking about? Bro. One of these people, he's not as smart as he thinks he is clearly.
One of these people brought about 10 millennia of war and suffering under the worst government
and empire mankind had ever known amidst a galaxy of even worse things. And the other one of us
brought about the righteous rule of Sigmar. My dude brought about, but did he do it? Did that,
did that not happen as a direct result of Manfred's actions? Like, bruh, you're missing,
you're missing. They could have just, they could have just, the ritual didn't work and it wasn't
strong enough and they lose. But they had Manfred go in and do his thing, baby.
Order the gulp. Well, the last round is it? What a second half. Yes, but before we get to the
final one minute or two minute in fact, vitriolic round, we have some donos to get through because
there's been quite a lot going on in the background. So the first one from Nolan Baker,
Eli, a second wife has hit the loveless tower. I love my wife.
Eli does love his wife quite a lot.
Don Quijón USA, 20 bucks. I used to slam poetry for my church. So how his 20,
how did you slam poetry? What do you slam in church?
What? Moses was lit.
Church is big and it keeps getting.
That's why Jesus Christ, they don't need more.
I know that meme. It's not a bridge moment.
Eli, do you want to take one? Sure. Mr. Taz, thank you very much for the five dollars.
If Airbus has 40k haters, I am one of them. If Airbus has 10k haters, I'm one of them.
If Airbus has one hater, he is me. If Airbus has zero haters, I am dead. This guy hates Airbus.
Oh, Eldar mentioned, New Codex mentioned, Fulgur mentioned, I'll just read it. JP, thank you for
the 10 A's. Ynari detachment in New Codex. Now they just need the crone sword off of that sussy
baka femboy fulgrim. You're never going to get it. You hear me? The amount of joy I would feel
if they completely 180'd the Ynari and had them just teabag fulgrim and then rip the crone sword
out of his pants. Give them the Loyalist Primark treatment where they just win because
they suck dick marines. That's all GW knows. Where's the dynamic, Colin? It's like Loyalist
Primark more or less can only die once, so they can't be resurrected. But they can still lose a
fight. They can still lose and then be like... They lose a fight, but not by much. That's the thing.
That's my student, GestureBunny. Although Ferris, starting strong, I'll lose a fight
beheaded. Set for two dollar-a-doos. Colin, hit the gritty again. He can't compete.
I don't know if I can devalue that. That was one time of the year. That would devalue the gritty.
Spencer Bayer, apologies for whichever pronunciation. First time watching live
streams. Just got to say I'm loving you, Goobers. Thank you very much. Also, there's an anthology
on Audible narrated by Chris Tester. An anthology of what? It's the Blood of the Emperor, the Horus
one, I think. Emperor is the name of Horus on there. He's often on my channel, so he's a good
boy. Just support him. Nicknack3587 for two bucks. Hal's rhyme itself was a law crime. Hell yeah.
Bro, you're here on Friday night to watch this. I need to entertain. I have the better character.
This is easier. Favourite Phoenix Lord. Why is it Lycus the Lorp Breaker? I don't think she
breaks the lore that badly. You're not about to be a warp spider Phoenix Lord. Thank you for the
fact. Why not? Because the armor could get lost when they get eaten by Slaanesh because of the
warp spider thing. That could happen to any of the Aspect Warriors, though. This is just the one that
goes full balls to the wall with it. That's the point, because none of the other Aspect Warriors
just jump through the warp. That's the point of Aspect Warriors. Warp spiders. If that's gonna be
the point, then why are warp spiders an aspect? They could get lost to the warp. Losing a regular
Eldar is fine. Losing the Phoenix Lord is kind of a big deal. Main event Virgil for five euros.
Do far better stuff because she's fucking committed. AO, I thought you were doing Trench Crusade this
week. That's next week, brother. Next week. There was a question in the last donation.
Not comparing two piles of Kalmanil. Nice of how to read a five-year-old's English homework.
Bro, if five-year-olds were doing that stuff. My favourite Phoenix Lord back there was still...
Colin, this is your name. I'm a Corandris and Joyer who is dead. He's been killed by his workshop.
He's alive and aloof. He's just gone. Donkeyman USA with the five. Colin, normally I would agree
with you no matter what. Even the dark elf Gudinus. Sadly, I can't like Manfred more than
Erebus. You know, it's okay. Also to the guy asking earlier, we're doing Trench Crusade next
week. I don't know if that was... Yeah, if he said that. But that is happening. All right.
Brandon Waveking, five bucks. He killed the setting that had set for he deserves to get his undead
balls flayed by Conrad coked up on warpstone. Notice how I did not once say Manfred doesn't
deserve horrible things. That has never been my argument. Both of them deserve that.
Dude, Bean, Bean, Bean, Bean, Bean. Let me... I got this one. Manfred's bald head is smooth and very
pleasing to look at. Erebus has nasty dollar store tattoos all over his scalp. Yeah, Erebus is the
kind of person to go to Vegas and get a yin yang tattoo. Manfred knows that, you know, the
searchlight has to be kept intact. Thank you, Bean. You know who Erebus is? Erebus is the
kind of guy who'd get into like a YouTube boxing match with like the... Oh, yeah.
The tattoos. I was like, I'm going to fight so and so for clout. Also, JP, who we mentioned before,
asked who was our favorite Phoenix Lord for me. I don't have one. All Eldar should be in the ground.
Can't believe this guy. Can't believe this guy. There's two potential rightful rulers of the
galaxy. It's the Eldar and the Necrons. That's right, Bean. And it's not these shit ass space
marines. That's right. We got a forehead cam there for a second. Just watch out.
Everyone's like, oh, the Imperium, the good guy Shelley. Nah, fuck that. Necrons and Eldar
alliance teach the primitives how it's done. We got a lot of just stranta in the chat from
Thinkwell. Stranta's really cool. He just only has a paragraph of lore. He's the carnage. Yeah,
for the 50 memberships earlier, he became a member and then a solid became a member.
Jesus. And then donate 50 of them. My word. Oh, and not content with that. Also, five dollars for
the comics. Thank you very much. I'm sorry. I need another closed mic. Blessed sigma. Wishing
you all the best as always. Andy, you got to say it in the salt spire voice. Salt spire voice?
Blessed sigma. I was glad to have you. That's my soul. All righty then. Should we get into the.
The minute of hate. Or the minute of hate. Alan worship space boomer. Eli killed this man.
Eli killed this man. Because the space boomers are just built better than everyone who came
after him. It's simple. If I had the controls, I would be outbidding the space boomers.
The controls I would be outbidding people. It'd be funny. What's the time? Time out. I
wouldn't ban you for real. Me, can you did that? Animation's like banned, banned. And it becomes
like a vortex or something. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I don't remember that guy's name,
but I know what you're talking about. I saw that. Dude, shout out to the medical supply company
calling me, but I don't have my new insurance card yet, so I can't give them the information they
need. Big shout out to American healthcare. Wonderful. Luigi, can you, can you, you know.
Question who, who's worse, Manfred and Erebus combined or the US healthcare system?
I do fucking. Can anything possibly be more evil than the US health system?
I do like that. Manfred and Erebus combined between, between the chaos and like vampiric
magic. One of them, one half of that horrid being can get rid of my diabetes instead of profit off
of it. I think I've got my answer. I don't even need to think about it. I just, I love that video
is a Dr. Robotnik gave me like, ah, I'm going to be like the most evil villain of all. And shadow
the hedgehogs is like, Oh, what are you going to do? He's like, I'm going to do all these things.
It's like, yeah, the US healthcare already does that. It's like, Oh, I'll do this. I'll do this.
Even more evil things. Like not does that. Oh, wow. It's just like continually like being evil.
Good old Luigi. I'm also an American citizen. Yes. I know Canada has bad healthcare. Canada is going
to collapse in a year. Anyways, who cares? I'm leaving the West is falling.
The fallout timeline, NX Canada.
You know what? At least the US is going to have an economy that works in a couple of years. All
right. We should, you know what we should do? We should use our donation money to like buy an oil
rig and we'll just be like diamond dogs. I think we need a lot of donation money. Yeah. But it's a
dream. Dude, shout out to Nate stacking bodies in the Northern Rockies fallout for man.
Nate Mounties and syrup and stirrup get drowned in maple syrup. Shout out to fallout for Nate.
Somebody's going to get a US healthcare chaos cause. I think an evil, evil characters of 40k
versus American politicians would be a very funny versus episode. We get in trouble though.
Before we annex Canada, should we include?
You speak in French?
Well, we will. Oh, you're a Tom Davie.
They're the main, the Bush.
Yeah. Real. That's real. That's so real.
You ready? Are you ready?
I am ready.
Okay. Uh, do, uh, on Tanda, do I once again bring people, um, the slam poetry from the perspective
of Erebus for this? Oh, man. Oh, Manfred, you bald fuck and inferior flat and the gash is
cock ran from got trick with fear. Like for skin caught in the zip. He looked like he was open.
Open. Open.
Toed shoes. Get on with it. Come on. An orphan boy found in the muck of a pig's pen,
a bitch who sinks in the diarrhea of hell. Fen Lord of the undead yet bitch slapped out of
Kenry. The kind of guy who thinks salt is spicy. His law is trash, filled with negative Riz.
He's not half the man his mother is. Lad Conrad. Other characters are haunting.
He's so white. He got off of the warning.
Don't get enough attention to Arkeon's heel. He was glued. The dildo of consequences.
Really arrived.
The guy's so tough. Built like a ball cube. His hairline is sickening. His interesting law is
social distancing. The end times his actions dealt. The cock wheeze backstab gelt.
That's it. Very nice. That was quite the...
Regardless of the fact I'm going to lose because of what was just unleashed. I mean,
anyone who says I am the biggest gooner can now go straight to hell after what he just said.
Oh my god. I'm laughing my head off. I don't care if I lose this anymore. I'm taking the
Colin Moral victory. Is there any questions?
Any part you want to re-clarify? Yeah, have you been taking your medication?
That's mine. I know I'm not one of the... That's kind of the problem, really.
I did mess up one line. Ran from Gottrick with fear, like foreskin caught in a zipper.
He looks like he wears open-toed shoes in winter.
Wow. He really put the foreskin bar in there.
Oh man. I don't know why. This is not Erebus versus Manfred. This is Erebus versus Detch.
That's what Manfred is going to be called after this because Erebus could fold him.
That's what you're going to be called now, Colin. Colin, it's Manfred Detcher.
Okay? Just ignore the chaos. It can't really affect vampirism. Erebus got hands.
Manfred is a dragon.
Erebus. Fold the dragon.
Ain't you going to jail for saying things on the internet in the UK? Where's the police?
You said a mean thing about a bald man in fantasy setting.
Jail. Before the... What they called? What's slang for police in the UK?
Getty Howl. It's the Popo. For the Popo, take away howl. Colin, we need your last
bit of vitriol against Erebus. Are you ready?
Of course I do, but I do have one slight request if the judges would allow it. I would like an
image I've just sent into Discord to be put on screen during my...
Oh, interesting. Right. Oh my God. Okay. Let me just put this here.
I need to open it.
There's an inherent advantage of going second, but I needed to get this out. It was on my chest.
I think it's just saying the worst takes in the chat ever made. That's crazy.
Okay. Let's see. Share.
Wow.
Right. Are you ready, Colin?
I am ready.
Okay. Your time starts in three, two, one, begin.
I feel like I could really just repeat the words Argyle Tull for the next two minutes.
That would do it for Erebus, but how about we just... We'll move past that. We'll move
him killing the only chance for the word bearers to be anything other than the psychotic freaks
that they are. Thank you, Erebus. In fact, the person who let Karn beat the shit out of him,
and then Erebus let it happen. Pretty much everyone was like,
yeah, we'll beat Erebus up for fun going here forth. Why not?
He just sucks. You say, oh, he gave us 40K. 40K is a good outcome. Oh, yeah. You know what that
also means? You know what that means? Erebus gave us five million Primaris lieutenants.
So yeah, Erebus gave us 40K. He gave us that. I sure am glad for the 50 fucking dollar Primaris
lieutenants Erebus gave us. Whereas if that's the ballgame we're playing, fine. Again, Manfred
gave us some real good armies. I can't even list all of them. I didn't know that was the Argo.
Stormcast, a whole lot of good things. Primaris lieutenants, thank you, Erebus.
See, and it's just, God, Erebus is fucking pathetic. It's like at least Manfred,
let's say something interesting has happened. Erebus is on screen. Hey, look, oh, there's one
of them now. Wow. God, Erebus is doing things and I feel nothing but just, it's not even like,
like, powerful upset. I feel like a vague unhappiness. Like whatever else could be
happening would be better, but I have no choice but to go with it. Everything Erebus has put in
motion is just fucking moderately upsetting. Manfred sometimes makes me laugh. Sometimes
I go, that's interesting. Erebus is, oh good, Erebus is here in the story again. What's he
gonna do now? It's gonna be upsetting. It's gonna be sad. Oh yeah, he was a priest, hell yeah.
Just ignore all the Ultra Boys and Erebus is back. Don't bring those up. It's time. It's time.
My favorite part is when he said he doesn't like it when he reads about when Erebus is coming up.
My bro has not read a book with Erebus in it. He has not read the book with Erebus in it.
Yeah, that's how badly he has not read the books. I just, I don't want to read anything
that's got the potential for Erebus. Oh man. That's the Horace Harrison.
Wow. All right. All right. Yeah, Chad is doing what I thought.
Oh no. All I'm going to say is that I'm- I did not bring slam poetry to the table.
Didn't know there was an option. All I'm going to say is that like,
I got to be honest, like one of the comments was early was like, one won a galaxy, one
existence practically speaking. So in terms of scale, who really won the biggest game in town?
Because I got to be honest, like I'm not very familiar with Manfred, but Erebus at the end of
the day, as much as he likes to tout himself as like, oh, I won the game of Warhammer. End of the
day, face got ripped off by the Warmaster, the actual guy inheriting chaos who died anyway.
He's second fiddle to not only Abaddon, but also his own Primarch because he's squabbling with a
geriatric old man called Cor Phaeron about who's leading the word bearers in in Lorgar's stead.
It doesn't seem like he's done anything in the last 10,000 years. Why should we care about Erebus?
It's seeing as it seems his glory days is his equivalent of like his SoundCloud rap days are
over and now he's a bit of a has been like, well, he hasn't had a while, man.
This is where our two characters both suffer from the fact of if they're not currently
an active model on the tabletop, they're not getting any love really. And to be fair,
you say Erebus is not redoing much. Bro's literally in the Horus heresy books still now,
as in like ending the death. He literally still shows up 10,000 years ago.
I don't know. It depends what I get. He has got to be a hell. What is a what? What? What is
the Horus heresy as a form of media? Oh, it is a prequel. It is a prequel. What he was doing.
It's difficult because I don't know if Erebus is going to I mean, I'm hoping Erebus just turns up
and absolutely shoves in anathema, law, gars, who who knows? I think there's a possibility with
Erebus. I'm not disagreeing. I know Erebus is going to like I don't disagree with that sentiment.
Something horrific is going to happen with Manfred. I'm like, oh, there he is. Like Manfred is kind of
like a like a rat, but not in like the cute scavengy way. He just shows up and you're like,
oh, Manfred showed up again. And I hate to like pivot what Colin did earlier. But in Age of Sigma,
he he feels so irrelevant. And it's I don't I don't I don't come look at too much because again,
in 40k, we both have the same problem. Like we're both now in settings in which the characters are
not fully flourishing. But there's so much good Erebus stuff. He's like when he's on screen,
you're like, that's the guy is going to betray us or you know, you actually kind of much like you
loathe to see him. But then you actually like he generally makes every part of every scene he's in
interesting. And then like he's just not a bitch. I mean, like End Times, there's not there's not a
book which Erebus is in in which is bad book. He's not in a bad book. Manfred has a starring role in
the End Times. I like Colin's least favorite book series of all time. And I go bad in a way because
they really like there's no defending it. There's just no defending Manfred's like I learned only
recently. He was like he tried to get betrayed. Well, he tried to betray in the gas did not work
got beaten up by Vlad, then got sent as a prisoner to the Oak of Ages left in a cage to rot was Vlad
shown his little finger, like a cotton car sun ring in front of him. Then he got let out whoops
rant Archaon and then Archaon like ignored him because he's because he had it like oh you and
then he just hung around like a like just a bum like a loser. And then stabbed Gow. It's like the
lore sucks there. There's something. Erebus lore sucks. You're excited to see it. Manfred was a part
of an event that regardless of what you say about it and regardless of the quality
was at least a mover and a shaker. Erebus is part of a series that is a continuation of Games Workshop
completely just diluting their biggest IP into more Marine Wank. So yes, those are indeed the two
events these characters were a part of. One brought forth a new setting and one is a part
of another setting ironically aping its main character faction as it stagnates into the same
thing over and over and over again. Horus Heresy round two. We will never get anything but more
Primarch and Primaris Wank. Thank you Erebus for this endless shithole of IP murder you are slowly
helping commit. So Primaris is I'm an Eldar fan if you couldn't tell. I mean appealing to appealing
to your your judge here Mr. Andy who clearly likes the Imperium. I mean I mean you know I mean like
his creates the most interesting setting out of all of them. I mean I suppose that all right so
I'm just gonna stab you come May. Come May I'm just gonna stab you is what I'm hearing.
If you could read. All I'm thinking is we need to make a criteria right now before we go any further.
Are we grading this on who is the more hateable or like what's the criteria for the for who wins is it?
I hate this character more than I think there's a just to go by your gut there's a clear loser.
Whose argument did you did you vibe with more? Yeah there's not necessarily a winner but who's
the loser like who's the thing. We're both playing the defense attorney for the biggest assholes in
the settings. I gotta admit as much as I enjoyed Hal's branching out into new like his equivalent
of like I wouldn't be surprised if in a year's time we saw Hal doing diss tracks on other Warhammer
content creators with the rate he's going with his his his raps but his um his his poetry.
At the end of the day I still think and I'm not biased because I've also lost many times using
facts and logic uh but I did enjoy Colin's uh he actually had a lot more like. There's no way you
could walk away and say man for it's better you just how'd you look in the mirror. Well it's not
about saying it's about the I said to you on a Friday night the dildo of consequences rarely
arrives looted and you did you did I had to hear those words in my ears and you're glad.
Hal are you threatening me with an unlooped dildo is that what's happening?
Oh no just the consequences. I think that's a yes. I have no idea what that means.
What's going on what's going on? You said you said Colin won? I think I would side with
Colin because I liked his arguments. But don't like don't worry the flare was fun but I'm like.
He was like screaming for 20 minutes on the line. Yeah and he won that's why I'm bitter and that's
why I'm waiting for Colin. I am a bitter old man. Take that. Well because I'm the underdog Mr. Five
Bagillion Quiz Winner. This isn't a quiz you've won every person. Don't worry about it. Okay well
I have bad news. First of all I can't save I can't give Hal the win anyways because chat's
loaded from Anfred so in the end it's impossible to secure this for Hal. But I tally points. I tally points
while we do these and Hal got 20 points. Colin also got 20 points. So there you go. That's what
I guess the conclusion I came to is a tie. Maybe the real winner. He did start doing a point value
counter last versus so. Damn. But as we see chat. I do have a huge question. How many points did the
did the searchlight bald head give me? I gave you point for that. No I won't lie. Huge.
Pretty huge. They're both bald as well. It's stupid to have an even gross chat too bald.
Yeah Manfred's handsome. He actually like Erbus genuinely says like he actually can like repair
his face. He actually has the ability to repair his face. He just chooses not to because he's like
this is the real me. Manfred is kissable. Manfred is kissable. Let's be real. Erbus. That would be
if there's a cure for diabetes on it. Oh I'm not getting the cure. That's the real me. Okay.
Okay. What? I mean to be fair to Eli. Erbus' face was de-gloved so kissing him would be a bit more
difficult. So I understand from like from a purely just I don't want to kiss the guy but if we're
looking at facts and logic I assume that's actually true. I don't want to do it. Well chat as we said
chat has voted for the Manfred victory which would mean Colin has won yet another versus episode.
Even with Colin. Somebody beat this guy. I'm actually very surprised how he's getting away with this.
I'm surprised how he's going to win. Everyone hates Erbus though. Not enough people know about Manfred I guess.
Should have attacked Erbus. That's the secret subtle advantage of doing a fantasy versus is that
most people don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah. Damn. Should we get through the last of
the donations before we sign off? Oh boy. I'm looking at the latest donation and that's horrid.
Cetra is not pregnant. My lord has my lord has taken. What am I reading? This is an episode
that's been on the road. Uh being the five bucks. Uh Manfred has the the beacons has been lit.
Gone. Of course for eight hours. That's the real reason he's rounding AOS like the nearest other
vampire just shines a light on him and the gas nose to show up. For a creature that's meant to
be stealthy, he shines bright like a diamond. Right. Like a diamond. Nicknack uh three five
eight seven for two bucks. Uh I'm here for the law crimes offshore facility. Huge. We we we get
oil. We make enough from law crimes. We go we go make the oil rig content. Does someone want to
donate 100 million dollars? I'll make diamonds from their ashes. Thank you for the five dollars.
Colin, I agree. It's high time we honor our greatest president Alan Alda and finally claim
our rightful northern territory. I wish I knew who that was but I bet it's funny. Uh I feel as if he
was a president in something but uh he's just an actor. I'm sorry it's because I just read the
next one. Well you can always manually say two bucks. How slam poetry makes me bust a
buck. Thank you. I actually put a lot of effort into that as well. We have another donkey man.
Thank you very much Mr Donkey for more five dollars. Maureen Wank verse more gothic novels.
I think I know who I vote for. It's fair. I hope it's the gothic novel. Brandon Wave King, thank
you for the 499. Airbus has been fiddling altar boys for 10,000 years. Yeah Colin won. Wow.
Wow. Crazy allegations. It's crazy because Maverick actually kidnapped a child.
Legitimately kidnapped a child. Oh you know what you know what I'm gonna say I'm gonna say it.
It's what you do with them. I'm gonna say it all right. If we're not gonna get monetized.
If Major Kill never made a video about the Ward Bears, Airbus would have won this first episode.
This is all you lost because Major Kill made a Ward Bear video five years ago Hal.
Wasn't he one of the fantasy channel first? I don't know bro. He was. He made one of the
fantasy channel. I don't know how to break this to you but I don't think Major Kill invented making
jokes about diddling altar boys for priests. I do not think that's a major deal. He invented it for
the Ward Bears. He most certainly did start it for the Ward Bears. Someone just literally wrote it.
I think that's a pretty easy conclusion to draw. The religious chapter. Do you know the deep lore
of what Luton started as before he was Warhammered? Oh he did like Call of Duty didn't he?
Battlefield. He was a Battlefield creator. Oh yeah like gaming? Yeah. That's crazy.
He did Battlefield. Then he did Warhammer in a turn. That's why his logo is like the yellow on
white. It's like Battlefield colors. Or his colon used to be feet. I'd say it did.
Humble Guardsman for five Canadian dollars. Incorrect. Career change. Hey guys would you
rather share a bed with Juergen for two months or share a toilet with Greasius Sculptor for three
weeks and it's Hako Night every night? That is true. Can I just die? You could at least like
wrap him in enough blankets that it would like suffocate the smell and then you could just be
like taco him in and then just be like you sleep on your side I'll sleep on my side.
There's like hints. Sometimes like it's hinted at that his smell is like how his blank like you know
the bad feeling you get around blanks manifest for Juergen. I thought he was possibly a pariah.
Yeah. I think it's like it's a blank. That's a tough question. Either way like yeah I know.
What's that thing that like you know like more kitcheners put in their nose so you don't smell
bad stuff when you're dealing with bodies. It's like it's not vaseline but you put something in
your nose and you just smell that. It's like you can and your body will eventually get used to the
smell over time. You'll just not smell it anymore. Maybe. I would have some banter.
Am I allowed to like shit outside? Yeah. If I can shit outside I'll take the Grease's toilet
but if I have to be in both these situations everywhere is downwind from that abomination.
How? There's no escape. That's a chemical bomb is what that is. I think if I have to go with one of
these two situations. If I have to commit I'll go with Juergen but if I have like if I can like
shit in the woods like I'll take the Grease's one. The only thing is Grease's could like eat a demon
and then like he wouldn't digest it properly then he'd like leave it there and then you go to and
you sit there and go ah and then it's attacking you because it's like sturdy. Warhammer Fantasy
is crazy. I couldn't hear the sounds of battle like Grease's happening. Anyway next question.
I think I choose the Grease's toilet. This is the toughest question I've ever had to answer.
And we got a Lethbridge reference while I'm getting doxed right now.
Maple Scaffolder, thank you for the two dollars. Eli, stay safe out in Methbridge. Love from Alberta.
Thank you. Guy with dog profile picture. I appreciate it. This is not a great city.
Dragon Tamer, thank you for two dollars. Eli Scrimmian, Beelzebub was the best thing so far.
I appreciate that. It's a man for a PFC. Oh dear. Knock for 50. Your stream on lore bits was
amazingly. Amidst the space marine slop or the far future a brave sigmarite stands eternal vigil.
This is for Colin. Colin, this is for you. I think the last donation was directed at Colin.
Your stream on lore bits was amazingly. Thank you. Amidst the space marine slop of the far future
a brave sigmarite stands eternal vigil. He's about to die. Just for you.
Bless it, sigmarite. I don't know why I get so much joy out of doing that, but I do.
Too fair. We do too. Tom Warren explained his Alan Alda donation. Alan Alda played the president
in Canadian Bacon, a 90s comedy about America starting a new Cold War with Canada.
Very nice. Potentially closer to reality than I like.
The chat is diabolical at the moment. I can't even read some of these out because they're
horrible. Can we get Elon Musk in the animation mode?
Jesus. Should we get caught there then? Yeah, I think so. Before things escalate even further.
Thanks everyone for all the donations and support. It was a fun one today, but realistically,
Erebus versus Manfred. Let's be honest. There were no winners tonight. This was just
who wants to win the third sandwich? You won upholding the two worst people ever created
in fiction. Amazing. But it was good fun and I very much enjoyed Hal's musical talent. I
hope we will see more in the future with his poetry. Catch you guys next week. Pretty big.
Thank you guys so much and we'll see you guys all very soon. Thank you.
Take care. Bye. Love you. Thank you very much. Bye.
Bye.